luisbgslangasek: good night (its late here) :)00:01
slangasekluisbg: 'night!00:01
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evandcody-somerville: doing test installs of xubuntu and I have to admit, it's very pretty.02:21
cody-somervilleevand, thank you :)02:21
cody-somervilleevand, I'll be sure to pass on the compliments to our art guys :)02:22
slangasekcody-somerville: will there be a xubuntu announcement page that you want linked from the ubuntu-announce mail?02:26
cody-somervilleslangasek, yes please. I'll prepare it right now.02:27
ptx0who do i contact about hosting a mirror for 8.10 on ipv602:56
Keybukptx0: how much bandwidth do you have?02:57
ptx0400mbit commit02:58
ptx0Keybuk, 100mbit if that's what you meant02:59
ptx0Keybuk, ?03:01
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bokeyhey guys whats the ETA for intrepid final release?04:24
bokeyneed to update the channel topic04:25
Keybukbokey: October 30th04:25
bokeyKeybuk: its oct 30th here :P)04:25
cody-somervillebokey, not everywheres in the world04:25
jdongit's released when it's released.04:25
jdonghow's that?04:25
bokeyi know cody-somerville just asking the ETA04:26
Keybukbokey: and it will be October 30th somewhere for at least the next 32 hours04:26
bokeyKeybuk: any specific time?04:26
Keybukbokey: no, there is no specific time04:26
elmocan we have a FAQ page for this?04:26
bokeyKeybuk: okie then04:26
cody-somervillebokey, Please see #ubuntu-release-party04:26
Keybukbokey: if you need the toilet, or to eat, of drink, I would recommend that you go now04:26
Keybukrather than waiting for the release04:27
bokeylmao :P)04:27
cjwatsonbokey: the release team will update the topic at the appropriate time04:27
bokeythanks Keybuk cjwatson for all canonical/ubuntu/debian devs for yet another distro!04:31
slangasekyes, don't be like the kid in Alaska who got permission during the 8.04 release to stay up until 4am04:31
bokeys/for/and/g :P)04:32
bokeysee yaa all when it gets released.. i'll hear the noise ;)04:32
* jdong watches slangasek count to 10 and push the big RELEASE button04:33
* Keybuk watches slangasek count to 10 in base 1,000,00004:34
StevenKWhich is the same as counting 1 to 10 in base 1004:34
Keybukno, it's really not04:34
StevenKOh, duh04:34
Keybukmath, hard04:35
Keybukand you're awake in your _own_ timezone!04:35
* slangasek grins04:36
lifelessperhaps chinese has enough characters04:39
* StevenK tries to debug "X: client 1 rejected from local host"04:42
=== evand changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: 8.10 - http://preview.ubunut.com/8.10 | 8.10 RC released | archive: Release Freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-hardy, #ubuntu+1 for intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs || Evil bug 286175
jdongevand: oh I see what you did there.05:02
* jdong hugs /etc/squid/rickroll.acl05:03
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Chipzzptx0: not 100% sure if it's apropriate, but you could also try to ask your question in #canonical-sysadmin05:51
nenolodi don't know how one could have 400mbit 95% commitment on a 100mbit port.06:24
geniiHi. Is there any plan anywhere along the line to implement some kind of differential update system? Mostly curious why this has not been worked on or so.06:33
Burgundaviagenii: the issue is from delta from what?06:35
geniiBurgundavia: Base release version on CD would be my first thought. Then diffs based from there for each update.06:36
Burgundaviagenii: I suspect it comes down to lack of development time06:37
geniiHowever this may require some re-engineering of the dpkg system in some radical way, I suppose06:37
Burgundaviaalthough a delta-deb from the last stable might not be a bad idea, even if only for the big packages06:37
geniiBurgundavia: The idea occurs to me at times like these when the servers will be bogged down for extended periods....06:38
Burgundaviaagain, lack of development resources is the big issue, I suspect06:39
geniiBurgundavia: OK, thanks at least for responding.06:40
Burgundaviaif you want to volunteer to help, talk to michael vogt06:41
Burgundaviamvo on irc06:41
geniiBurgundavia: OK. My C is rusty but I'm willing to give what I can06:42
Burgundaviathere is already apt-delta stuff06:43
geniiBurgundavia: Any idea which channel they frequent?06:43
Burgundaviathis one06:43
Burgundaviamvo is European, so likely on in a few hours06:43
geniiOK. Apparently not here atm then06:43
Burgundaviabasically, delta-apt already exists06:43
Burgundaviathe issue is choosing to and from for the deltas06:43
geniiBurgundavia: I'll look at Launchpad for it to bone up on the subject06:44
dholbachgood morning06:45
geniiBah. No assignee or in fact much of anything for this project.06:46
geniiNo, wait. delta-apt and not apt-delta :)     <does a Homer Simpson sound>06:48
Burgundaviagenii: there are a few specs floating around about the subject06:50
Burgundaviahey dholbach06:50
dholbachhi Burgundavia06:50
geniiBurgundavia: Found Vogt's page there. He's a very busy boy.06:50
Chipzzgenii: indeed he is06:58
RAOFTheMuso: Incidentally, good work on the Pulseaudio shenanagins.  Everything works here; even the 32bit Skype.07:06
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siretartoh, first package in intrepid-updates?08:17
wgrantSome time ago.08:18
wgrantCopied from -security, IIRC.08:18
wgrantMore coming.08:18
stefanlsdI think im gonna reinstall. I've upgraded from feisty to gutsy to hardy and intrepid.  Im missing things like that unified shutdown button i've heard about :)08:22
wgrantstefanlsd: Intrepid will ask you if you want to switch over to it.08:23
wgrantOr you can do it manually.08:23
wgrantI've machines upgraded from Warty that work fine.08:23
stefanlsdwgrant: heh. yeah. i think i've also just got tons of cruft from the dev cycles. would rather start fresh. also gonna evaluate ext4 or xfs (now with hans being in prison and all)08:24
geserstefanlsd: I tried XFS some years ago switched back to ext3 after I got a fs corruption on the same day on my desktop and my notebook after doing a package update08:30
geserI hope you will have more luck with XFS08:31
stefanlsdgeser: i've done some testing, and it seems ok. From what im reading, ext4 sounds pretty good.  Just need to see if it can do online resize. I really like that feature of reiser.08:33
mdkeI guess people are aware that "xscreensaver setup" and "orca" have popped up in their own new menus in the Applications menu in intrepid?08:37
mdkeI can't find a bug about it, but I think that should be fixed before release if at all possible...08:37
ajmitchmdke: under what menu?08:38
mdkeit wasn't notified as a UI freeze exception that I can see, and they look strange having their own menu08:38
ajmitchI'm a few days behind updates, but I don't see them08:38
mdkeajmitch: "System Tools" and "Universal Access" respectively08:38
mdkeboth are the only items in those menus08:38
pittiGood morning08:39
ajmitchhey pitti08:39
mdkehiya pitti08:39
pittihey mdke08:39
pittihi ajmitch, long time no see!08:39
ajmitchpitti: I've been around, just not active :)08:39
davmor2guys still bbc connection from totem08:40
mdkeI've filed the xscreensaver one as bug 291000, not sure about the orca one, maybe that is justifiable, but it still looks odd all on its own in the menu08:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 291000 in xscreensaver "xscreensaver has appeared in System Tools menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29100008:40
davmor2mdke: is this on Ubuntu if so I don't have on either test install from last night08:46
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mdkedavmor2: yes, on Ubuntu08:54
davmor2mdke: no xscreensaver in my main install or either of my test installs08:55
=== tseliot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: 8.10 - http://preview.ubuntu.com/8.10 | 8.10 RC released | archive: Release Freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-hardy, #ubuntu+1 for intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs || Evil bug 286175
mdkedavmor2: ok?08:57
pittibah, what the heck is wrong with ddebs.ubuntu.com's Release files08:57
loolpitti: The release file references itself?!?09:07
loolpitti: e.G. http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/dists/hardy-updates/Release references  da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709                0 dists/hardy-updates/Release09:08
pittilool: that, too, but that doesn't hurt09:08
loolpitti: What's the issue?09:08
pittilool: the intrepid one has an invalid structure and references the entire tree09:08
pittiand I didn't implement race-free updating of Packages.gz, Release, and Release.gpg09:09
pittibah, I don't want to rewrite half of soyuz for that09:09
loolBah we can't really make it fully race free anyway09:10
tseliotpitti: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=12213909:25
directhextseliot, nice timing, nvidia :/09:32
tseliotdirecthex: will need an SRU (sooner or later)09:34
directhextseliot, was that the missing piece causing the nvidia->nv thing?09:34
tseliotdirecthex: yep09:34
tseliot96 and 7109:34
directhexso 71 still needs an update?09:34
tseliotno, they have updated that too09:35
tseliotthey are beta drivers though09:35
directhexcould be worse. i have some nvidia kit that locks up on any driver other than 171.06.0109:36
directhexgets detected fine with anythign 8800gtx-happy, but locks up when actually using it09:36
directhex10:00.0 3D controller: nVidia Corporation Tesla S870 (Compute Server Component) (rev a2)09:37
tseliotdid you report the problem?09:37
tseliot(to nvidia)09:37
directhexto nvidia? no point. technically it's the only driver they show as supported09:38
directhextry picking the S870 on nvidia.com09:38
directhexwhich, of course, is dumb, since the big pull for tesla is meant to be it uses normal drivers09:38
directhexi blame the silly approach to PCI busses it has09:41
directhex[jms@durandal ~]$ /sbin/lspci | grep Tesla | grep -c "PCI bridge"09:41
tseliotwhat's the output of this command? lspci -n |grep 30009:42
mvohey tseliot!09:43
tseliotmvo: hi :-)09:43
tseliotdirecthex: what do you mean by "nothing"?09:44
directhextseliot, nothing.09:44
directhex[jms@durandal ~]$ /sbin/lspci -n | grep 30009:44
directhex[jms@durandal ~]$09:44
mvotseliot: I just read about a new translation of "the waste land" this morning :)09:45
directhextseliot, technically tesla has no vga out, so it sorta makes sense for it not to be a vga controller09:45
tseliotmvo: did you enjoy it?09:45
tseliotaah read "about"09:45
mvotseliot: but of course I have something more serious going on too, have you ever seen something lik ethis https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/290638 ?09:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 290638 in update-manager "kubuntu upgrade error" [Undecided,New]09:45
* tseliot has a look09:46
mvotseliot: I just read about it, never read it myself, but it sounded fascinating! are you a fan (I would guess so)?09:46
tseliotmvo: yes, hence my nickname09:46
tseliotmvo: maybe this line didn't work? if dpkg-divert --list 'nvidia-glx-new' | grep /usr/lib32/libGL.so.109:49
tseliotdirecthex: I get something like this: 01:00.0 0300: 10de:02e2 (rev a2)09:50
directhextseliot, so do i, but not on the tesla box09:51
mvotseliot: I think its not wide-spread, I test it on two different systems and both times nvidia-glx-new upgraded fine from hardy to intrepid, but I think this failure is real too - we just need to figure out what triggers it09:51
tseliotdavmor2: did you install the nvidia driver from NVIDIA's website too?09:53
tseliotmvo: right09:53
tseliotdirecthex: weird...09:56
tseliotdirecthex: I'm still convinced that you problem is worth reporting to nvidia10:00
tseliotdirecthex: if driver 177 can be loaded using your card and it locks up then it's a bug10:02
tseliotin the sense that it shouldn't load at all or that it shouldn't lock up when loaded10:02
directhexhm, intrepid seems a bit screwy on my laptop. how odd10:02
directhexcompiz is a complete failure on here. how disappointing, it's worked for years10:03
Tonio_I have a little problem with repository signing...10:04
davmor2tseliot: no it was the nvidia driver from jockey10:04
Tonio_the repo is signed, the key imported to my laptop, and apt§get update downloads the Release.gpg, and doesn't complain the key is missing10:05
Tonio_but when I want to install a package from that repo, apt complains the package is unauthenticated....10:05
Tonio_am I missing something ? should work afaik....10:05
mvoTonio_: might be proxy issues, you could try to move away the stuff in /var/lib/apt/lists/* to see if that helps10:07
Tonio_mvo: I have no proxy set for apt, but I'll try this10:08
Tonio_mvo: I had the same problem on one computer and it started to work with no reason after a couple of hours...10:08
tseliotdavmor2: I didn't mean the last driver that you installed. Have you ever installed the driver from nvidia's website in that Ubuntu installation?10:09
Tonio_mvo: didn't help I'm affraid.....10:10
mvoTonio_: you could try to run: "sudo apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=true" and see if that helps, it might be transparent proxy10:12
davmor2tseliot: no it was a fresh install10:13
Tonio_mvo: hum I think there is a reverse proxy indeed... let's try this10:14
tseliotdavmor2: ok, so you installed Hardy and then upgraded to Intrepid, right?10:15
mvothe line "nvidia-glx-new is not properly installed - ignoring any dependencies on it." makes me wonder whats going on there10:16
davmor2tseliot: I installed hardy did all the updates, rebooted and then added the nvidia-glx-new driver from jockey-kde, rebooted and then upgraded to intrepid10:16
Tonio_mvo: still no luck :/10:17
Tonio_mvo: I've never seen that problem, this is weird, really10:17
* davmor2 checks to see if he still has the lshw on this machine10:17
pittitseliot: nice; do they have an updated 71, too?10:18
tseliotmvo, davmor2: yes, something wrong happened in Hardy then10:18
tseliotpitti: yep10:18
mvoTonio_: could you run "sudo apt-get update -o Debug::Acquire::http=true" and put the output somewhere ? that will record the http traffic and might give us clues10:21
davmor2tseliot, mvo: lshw should be at http://www.davmor2.co.uk/64test.html10:21
Tonio_mvo: well on a native intrepid computer I don't have the issue, so I suspect there is something broken somewhere on that laptop.... trying to reinstall and eventually try as you said if it doesn't work10:22
Tonio_mvo: thanks for the help given :)10:22
tseliotdavmor2: what I meant is that maybe nvidia-glx-new wasn't installed correctly for some reason10:23
tseliotin Hardy10:23
mvodavmor2: you were able to reproduce that, right?10:23
tseliotdavmor2: since dpkg said that "nvidia-glx-new is not properly installed - ignoring any dependencies on it"10:23
mvodavmor2: did you install it via jockey?10:23
pittiasac: hm, wasn't there a time when firefox would ask me to install flash? (I have a clean intrepid installation)10:24
asacpitti: only if you visit a site that doesnt use the flash-detection-kit10:24
asacpitti: try video.google.com10:24
pittiasac: hm, I could have sworn it worked on youtube before10:24
davmor2mvo: yeap10:24
mvodavmor2: with the kubuntu jockey?10:25
davmor2mvo: yeap10:25
asacpitti: no it never worked there.. however, once you have a first üplugin installed you can use the "tools -> manage content plugins ..." to switch plugins and install more alternatives ... give it a try10:25
tseliotmvo: is it a known problem with the kubuntu jockey?10:26
davmor2mvo, tseliot: how about this then if I reinstall kubuntu hardy and get the apt.logs from that before upgrade would that help?10:26
mvodavmor2: *maybe* there is something wrong with it that causes the problem, or maybe its something like that it reports that the install finished too early and you shut down while it was working - to throw out some theories :)10:26
pittiasac: ah, thanks10:27
mvotseliot: not that I know of10:27
davmor2mvo: no it finishes and say system requires reboot10:27
davmor2it is at that point that I reboot10:27
mvodavmor2: right, I was wondering if it might display this notification too early for some reason (again, just a theory)10:28
tseliotdavmor2: but yes, the logs could be useful10:29
davmor2mvo: pass I can try it again and leave it for 10 minutes before rebooting see if that helps either way I'll reinstall it now :)10:29
mvodavmor2: excellent, thanks a lot10:30
dholbachhi sabdfl! happy release day! :)10:32
ograsabdfl, come to #ubuntu-release-party :)10:34
ograthough they might run you down :)10:35
mvodavmor2: aother test might be to install the nvidia module manually via apt-get and see if you expeirnece the same failure in this case10:35
davmor2mvo: wilko, I'll do it via jockey first for the log and then try that after :)10:36
mvodavmor2: thanks a lot!10:38
* mvo hugs davmor210:38
Hobbseeogra: yeah, they probably will, come to think of it10:39
Hobbseebut that might be enjoyable10:39
davmor2asac: dude the homepage is still kinda sparse ;)10:51
asacdavmor2: i am not doing the homepage ;)10:52
asacthats the website team ;)10:52
davmor2Ah cool10:52
cjwatsondavmor2: totem/bbc seems to be fixed now11:06
davmor2cjwatson: Yay11:07
davmor2cjwatson: get much sleep?11:07
cjwatsona few hours11:07
davmor2mvo, tseliot: right doing the updates now do you want a log pre-nvidia install?11:09
mvodavmor2: yes please, /var/log/dpkg.log is probably most helpful, if there is a /var/log/apt/term.log too, that too11:11
davmor2no probs11:11
davmor2mvo: term.log is empty all the other logs will be going to http://www.davmor2.co.uk/h-k-logs/11:17
mvodavmor2: did you wait a bit or reboot immediately this time?11:17
davmor2mvo: this is pre-nvidia install I'll be doing that in a second11:18
mvodavmor2: ok, thanks11:18
davmor2dpkg.log should be up and accessible11:19
davmor2mvo: installing now11:20
didrocksmvo: I noticed a lot of (250 on a basic installation) "_usr_share_...png" icon names in /usr/share/app-install/icons/. Is that wanted? (which has more than 3000 files)11:24
davmor2mvo, tseliot: Right dpkg1.log up jockey window is open and says reboot but dpkg1.log says half configured11:25
tseliotdavmor2: can we see the log?11:25
davmor2tseliot: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/h-k-logs/ is where I'll be putting all the logs11:26
mvodavmor2: ok, if you now wait a bit, does that change anything?11:26
mvoi.e. does it update it?11:26
mvotseliot: does jocky write some logs somewhere?11:26
davmor2mvo: no entry beyond the 11:20:4311:27
tseliotmvo: AFAIK it writes logs only in debug mode, right pitti?11:28
pittiATM yes11:28
mvodavmor2: hm, "2008-10-30 11:20:43 status installed nvidia-glx-new 169.12+" <- that looks good actually11:28
pittiI recently opened a wishlist bug to always write one, with log rotation11:28
pittimakes things so much easier11:28
* tseliot nods11:28
davmor2mvo: safe too reboot then?11:29
mvodavmor2: what does "dpkg -l nvidia-glx-new" tell you ?11:29
mvodavmor2: yeah11:29
danbh_intrepidbug 28617511:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 286175 in fontconfig "evince crashed with SIGSEGV in FcConfigSubstituteWithPat()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28617511:30
davmor2mvo: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/h-k-logs/dpkg-l.txt11:32
mvothanks davmor2, looks fine11:35
joaopintofor users eager to get 8.10 final, it should be safe to run update-manager -d now, right ?11:36
davmor2mvo, tseliot: Right rebooted.  Screen is now correct resolution, size and position.11:36
danbh_intrepidjoaopinto: its just update-manager           -d isnt necessary after release11:37
davmor2mvo: no change to the dpkg.log11:37
davmor2mvo: shall I go for the upgrade now?11:37
tseliotdavmor2: does this command say anything? sudo dpkg --configure -a11:38
joaopintodanbh_intrepid, right now -d is still needed right ? Or is it already set as released ?11:38
ograit isnt, watch #ubuntu-release-party :)11:38
davmor2tseliot: nope11:39
joaopintoso my question is related to using -d now :P11:39
tseliotdavmor2: ok, good. You shouldn't have problems with the dist-upgrade now11:39
ograjoaopinto, yes, you still need -d until its released11:39
davmor2tseliot, mvo: Right upgrade in progress ping you when it's done11:42
tseliotok, thanks11:42
davmor2mvo, tseliot: ping http://www.davmor2.co.uk/h-k-logs/Error.png11:54
tseliotdavmor2: logs?11:54
davmor2tseliot: do you want them now or at the end of the upgrade?11:55
tseliotdavmor2: let it complete the upgrade11:56
highvoltagethere's some weird people on ubuntu-devel-discuss sometimes.12:13
Treenakshighvoltage: But mc should be on the CD!12:14
highvoltageTreenaks: hah!12:14
davmor2tseliot, mvo: dpkg2.log is up an others you want/need?12:16
tseliotdavmor2: thanks I'll have a look at it ASAP12:24
* tseliot > lunch12:24
pittiseb128: FYI, I stopped the retracers (well, most were already ^C'ed), since I'm working on ddebs.u.c. index generation12:34
pittiseb128: this should now be much more robust, so that we'll hopefully lose much fewer ddebs and don't run into locking issues any more12:34
seb128pitti: ok thanks, they are not really useful right now anyway since we don't have apport running by default12:34
seb128pitti: good12:34
liwcommand-not-found primarily finds out commands/packages relationships from Contents files, yes?12:34
mvothanks davmor212:35
davmor2mvo: any thing else you're likely to need?12:36
mvoliw: I scan the archive regularly and generate shorter contents file out of it12:36
mvoliw: it does a bit more too, simple alternatives scanning for example12:37
liwmvo, so the reason it suggests system-cleaner is in system-cleaner is because the database is out of date?12:37
mvoliw: yes12:37
liwmvo, when does it get updated? for the point release?12:37
mvoliw: we should do a SRU for it12:37
mvolet me prepare that12:37
liwook, thanks12:37
mvoliw: would be nice if you could file a bug and help with the sru paperwork12:38
liwmvo, will 290444 do?12:38
mvobug #29044412:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 290444 in system-cleaner "Running "system-cleaner" from the command line is wrong" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29044412:38
mvoliw: yes12:39
liwmvo, can I reassign that to command-not-found-data?12:40
liwnow I just need to learn how to do that12:41
liw"Also affects project"?12:43
Hobbseeliw: also affects distribution, if you mean the ubuntu package12:44
liwHobbsee, oh, so that's what that is, I thought it was ubuntu vs debian vs red hat vs etc12:45
Hobbseeliw: it is, but you can specify the source package.12:45
cjwatsonif you want to reassign a bug rather than saying that it affects *both* system-cleaner and command-not-found-data, you should use the drop-down rather than also affects distribution12:49
liwcjwatson, the... drop-down?12:50
pittiliw: click on the status or priority12:51
Hobbseeliw: little down arrows12:51
pittiliw: with the little down arrows12:51
liwoh, the eject button12:51
pittidoesn't that usually go upwards? :)12:51
liwpitti, given how cavalier web pages are with symbols, should I care about the direction? :)12:52
pittiliw: hey, I'm not claiming that it is utterly discoverable, or I like it, or so :)12:52
Hobbseeliw: i'm told it's definetly *not* an eject button12:54
directhexHobbsee, i don't find that icon ambiguous. i had never realised that the yellow pencil icon was a pencil, though12:56
slangaseksuperm1: ping13:04
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joaopintocloning a system into a directory using rsync and then upgrading it from a chroot should be reliable for testing ?13:27
tseliotdavmor2: can you upload the files that you have in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ ?13:33
slangaseksuperm1: around?  we're converging, and http://mythbuntu.org/8.10/release will need to be unembargoed fairly soon if I'm to include it in the announce mail13:39
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cody-somervilleslangasek, http://xubuntu.org/news/intrepid/release will be our release page announcement13:43
slangasekhow soon will it be? :)13:43
directhexi spy release images on my local mirror13:43
cody-somervilleslangasek, please let me know when we're about to release so that I can quickly migrate our website13:43
slangasekcody-somerville: we're about to release :-P13:44
Mirvheh, I guess I could to the web site rehauls as well, then (ubuntu-fi.org)13:46
Mirvdo, that is13:47
superm1slangasek, dont include it in the announce mail.  the umenu thing ended up still being trouble so we're gonna be ~1day late it looks13:49
slangaseksuperm1: ack13:51
slangasekmvo: ping13:55
mvoslangasek: pong13:56
slangasekmvo: hi, is there another meta-release update that needs to be done for the final release?13:57
mvoslangasek: yes, when the release is officially out, the meta-release file needs to be updated to include intrepid. this is prepared in bzr, it just needs to be copied in place (that is currently done manual)13:58
mvoslangasek: but its "cp meta-release-bzr/meta-release www/"13:58
slangasekmvo: ok, please do :)13:58
tseliotpitti: I think I know how to fix the treeview bug in jockey-gtk but I can't make it display the icon in the systray. Is there a way to do this?13:58
tseliotpitti: and yes, I removed /var/cache/jockey13:59
pittitseliot: removing /var/cache/jockey/check and jockey-gtk --check should do it14:00
pittitseliot: if that returns immediately, then it doens't find any drivers14:00
tseliotpitti: aah it was "--check"14:00
mvoslangasek: done and verified that it works14:03
slangasekmvo: thanks14:03
mvo(people still need to explicitely trigger it via software-properties-gtk because of lts->non-lts upgrade)14:04
* mvo has done this a couple of times now, but every single time is exciting14:05
* slangasek grins14:06
ograslangasek, geeez14:10
slangasekwot? :)14:10
ograkicking off the masees :)14:10
cjwatsonslangasek: congratulations14:12
=== slangasek changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Ubuntu 8.10 released! | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-hardy, #ubuntu+1 for intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs || Evil bug 286175
james_wcongratulations everyone. congratulations slangasek. And thank you.14:12
slangasekgreat job, everyone :)14:12
* pitti jumps for joy14:12
davmor2congrats everyone it's out :)14:13
nxvlslangasek: we have a release already?14:13
* ogra dances14:13
ogranxvl, we do ! :)14:13
directhexChecking for a new ubuntu release14:13
directhexNo new release found14:13
StevenKdirecthex: Because Hardy is LTD14:13
sorenSo when does Jaunty open? :)14:13
joaopintodirecthex, have you switch to non LTS ?14:13
nxvli just make it to the unofficial annouce14:14
nxvlcongratulations everyone14:14
mvodirecthex: check http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading14:14
jdstrandslangasek: fyi-- I assigned bug #291091 to you14:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 291091 in pam "passwd -e locks account" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29109114:14
jdstrandslangasek: it just came in and is a result of the changes in common-account14:15
jdstrandslangasek: I assigned it to you cause of your pam-auth-update fu14:15
directhexmvo, oh, hm. clever. i'm just used to handing a -c to update-manager14:15
pittidirecthex: what's even worse -- dist-upgrade to jaunty doesn't work!!11!14:15
directhexpitti, whyso?14:16
directhexoh, wait, JAUNTY14:16
pittistable releases are soo boring :-P14:16
mvodirecthex: no problem -d will work as well, but in +6month you will get a hardy->jaunts update this way ;)14:16
mvodirecthex: hm, probably even earlier .)14:16
directhexmvo, yay, jaunty!14:16
pittimvo: why do we support hardy->jaunty (which we don't usually), but not hardy->intrepid?14:16
slangasekjdstrand: right, nijaba already prodded about that and I asked him to subscribe me; thanks14:16
* directhex has Plans(tm) for jaunty14:17
jdstrandslangasek: interesting-- he asked me to look at it *shrug*14:17
slangasek<shrug. :)14:17
directhexwake me when jaunty opens, i wanted to have a package downgraded to universe14:17
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mvopitti: we don't sorry, I think what I said was misleading. "update-manager -d" will bring people from hardy to intrepid too (in addition to the way via software-propoerties"14:20
pittimvo: right, I meant why would u-n announce jaunty in hardy?14:20
jdstrandlamont: debdiffs attached to bug #277370 and bug #28906014:22
mvopitti: I was thinking we might do that later (not automatically, only for people using update-manager -d) to test upgrades from hardy->jaunty (I talked about it with riddell earlier because of kde3->kde4 changes he may want people to skip intrepid14:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277370 in bind9 "apparmor exception missing for keytab" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27737014:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 289060 in bind9 "named bind9 apparmor profile error " [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28906014:22
lamontjdstrand: thanks14:22
jdstrandlamont: hard to test ipv6 one since it's busted though ;)14:22
lamontjust add __GNU_SOURCE to CFLAGS et al :-)14:23
* lamont will test the ipv6 stuff14:23
jdstrandlamont: it was the 'et al' that prevented it ;)14:23
jdstrandlamont: fyi, I updated the test case in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/ServerInstall#Bind9 so we can catch this type of thing sooner14:24
lamont+               STD_CDEFINES="$STD_CDEFINES -D_GNU_SOURCE"14:24
lamont+               CPPFLAGS="$CPPFLAGS -D_GNU_SOURCE"14:24
nijabajdstrand: I had thought slangasek might have wanted to know about it asap...  sorry14:35
evandmvo: Any thoughts on what could be causing bug 290925?14:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 290925 in ubiquity ""only free software" option installs linux-restricted-modules" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29092514:37
jdstrandnijaba: np-- it's triaged14:37
mvoevand: looking14:41
mvoevand: do you have the system in front of you were you ran the commands?14:42
mvoevand: I suspect its because sources.list contains "de.archive.ubuntu.com" but the livecd copies "archive.ubuntu.com_..." to /var/lib/apt/lists" - does that make sense, i.e. does your sources.list (in target) has a mirror and /var/lib/apt/lists/ indexfiles that are not matching it?14:43
mvoevand: hm, but why its written in target without the restircted/base into /v/l/d/status is odd, especially since a bunch of other packages seems to have the correct section14:45
davmor2tseliot, mvo: there up now I'll just check you can access them14:46
evandmvo: in my case it's us.archive, but yes, I see what you mean14:46
mvoevand: could you rename the in-target indexfiles and see if that gives the right python-apt output please?14:46
evandmvo: will do14:47
davmor2yeap should be fine14:47
tseliotdavmor2, mvo: here's the error: dpkg-divert: error checking `/usr/lib32/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory14:47
tseliotI'll check nvidia-glx-new14:48
mvodavmor2: ohhh, this is amd64? that explains why I have not seen it :( I tested i386 when trying to reproduce (*head desk*)14:48
pittimvo: I reject your compiz upload, there are no bugs referenced in the changelog14:51
s0u][ighthello i have a better workaround for Cannot reactivate Intel 3945/4965 wireless if booting with killswitch enabled14:56
s0u][ightthe site says that you have to reboot with the rfkillswitch disabled14:56
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s0u][ightmy way: disabling the rfkillswitch when the driver iwlagn is loaded then reload the driver14:57
s0u][ightworks fine ;)14:57
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s0u][ightif this is not the right place for workarounds for known issues, where should i go?14:57
mvopitti: d'oh, sorry, fixing now14:58
cjwatsons0u][ight: bug report on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bugs15:00
s0u][ightcjwatson: this is a known bug15:01
s0u][ighti just have a better workaround15:01
cjwatsons0u][ight: if it's already a bug on that list, then add a comment to it15:02
cjwatsons0u][ight: I think perhaps you misunderstand the purpose of the bug list above15:02
cjwatsons0u][ight: that list tracks problems in the release notes themselves15:02
s0u][ightbut i'm not familiar with these things15:02
mvoevand: please keep me updated, I'm curious about this myself15:03
dokobinutils_2.19-0ubuntu1 rejected: unable to find distroseries: jaunty ;p15:03
cjwatsondoko: elmo tried to create it and got an OOPS from LP15:03
cjwatsonhe's going to chase it up when he gets a few minutes15:03
evandmvo: will do.  I messed the system up so I am in the middle of a reinstall now.15:03
cjwatsondoko: thanks for being proactive though ;-)15:03
s0u][ightcjwatson: it isn't there15:03
pittimvo: oh, is that bug 259385 ?15:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 259385 in compiz "Intrepid Compiz hangs on login for i830MG and i845 video cards" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25938515:04
cjwatsons0u][ight: then file a new bug there15:04
mvopitti: yes15:05
mvoRiddell: did you had a chance to release note the virtualbox-ose problem with kubuntu upgrades?15:05
cjwatsonmvo: that got fixed15:05
mvooh? excellent!15:05
cjwatsonmvo: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose top entry15:06
mvocjwatson: that is really good news, thanks15:06
* mvo hugs blueyed (in his absence)15:07
s0u][ightcjwatson: found the bug and posted a reply15:09
broonieaa/win 1915:17
Treenaksbroonie: aa/fail :)15:18
joaopinto<n8tuser> weirdo-> please your language...btw use a fresh install instead of upgrade <- related to our discussion yesterday15:19
tseliotpitti: I have just fixed bug 278071: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/jockey/jockey-generic/revision/48015:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 278071 in jockey "jockey-gtk weird installed driver display" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27807115:20
* Treenaks wonders why everyone keeps doing fresh installs, while I've been upgrading since hoary..15:20
jdongTreenaks: likewise.15:20
pittitseliot: nice!15:20
pittitseliot: uh, we need to do the entire initialization every time? that sounds quite expensive15:21
pittitseliot: I hoped we could make the icon disappear when clicking on it, or os15:21
pittianyway, I need to run out for 45 mins15:22
tseliotpitti: ok, we'll talk later then15:22
joaopintoTreenaks, general perception of greater chances of having problems15:23
Treenaksjoaopinto: people are too used to other OSes :)15:25
evandmvo: I'm assuming it's sufficient to rename the archive.ubuntu.com lists in /var/lib/apt/lists and then run than chunk of python again?  If so, it did not fix the problem.15:27
mvoevand: you may (but be sure) remove the (in-target) /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin too15:28
mvobut it should get this right automatically15:29
mvoevand: where can I select "free software only" ? I think I would like to install it here in a VM to have a look15:30
evandmvo: hit f6 twice15:31
evandmvo: removing pkgcache.bin did not help15:31
evandmvo: this is off the desktop CD, if that wasn't clear15:31
rtgsuperm1: phone call today?15:31
mvoevand: ok, thanks, I run it now, I hope kvm does not hate me today (as it did yesterday)15:32
evandhaha, very much appreciated15:33
evandyou'll know it works if apt-setup/restricted is set to false15:34
evander worked15:34
evandthe selection of the free software option, that is15:34
* cjwatson creates jaunty seeds15:50
jdongsounds sexy :)15:50
cjwatsoncody-somerville: I couldn't do xubuntu.jaunty because I'm not in ~xubuntu-dev; please bzr branch xubuntu.intrepid xubuntu.jaunty; cd xubuntu.jaunty; bzr push lp:~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.jaunty; bzr bind lp:~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.jaunty15:50
cjwatsonsuperm1: I couldn't do mythbuntu.jaunty because I'm not in ~mythbuntu; please bzr branch mythbuntu.intrepid mythbuntu.jaunty; cd mythbuntu.jaunty; bzr push lp:~mythbuntu/ubuntu-seeds/mythbuntu.jaunty; bzr bind lp:~mythbuntu/ubuntu-seeds/mythbuntu.jaunty15:51
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superm1cjwatson, okay will do15:53
cody-somervillecjwatson, okay will do15:55
loolthanks for doing mobile.jaunty :)15:56
mvoevand: I followed up in the bug, I hope my explaination makes sense16:19
bdmurraypitti: are package available in -proposed now?16:26
rtgkirkland: why doesn't the live CD offer the Private directory like the alternate does?16:27
kirklandrtg: 2 reasons, I think16:27
cjwatsonrtg: I didn't get to it16:27
cjwatsonit should16:27
kirklandrtg: 1) cjwatson/evand didn't find a UI that fit the livecd workflow to Ubuntu standards/satisfaction16:28
rtgok. how is the name obfuscation coming?16:28
rtgyou mentioned several weeks ago that he was working on it.16:28
kirklandrtg: 2) i didn't help/push it more, in that I think I'll have plenty of support requests to sift through with the slightly-more-advanced users that figure out how to do it by dropping to a command prompt in the desktop :-)16:29
rtgkirkland: file/directory name obfuscation?16:30
Chipzzis there any reason ubuntu doesn't ship the make info pages?16:30
Chipzzlemme guess... DFSG bullshit?16:31
pittibdmurray: yes16:32
kirklandrtg: let me find you a git tree....16:32
azeemChipzz: apt-get install make-doc?16:32
kirklandrtg: it's coming along16:32
rtgkirkland: cool, just checking.16:32
Chipzzso errm16:32
kirklandrtg: last i saw, they were trying to get symlinks working properly ;-)16:32
cjwatsonChipzz: as an organisation, we have no objection to shipping those pages; however it hasn't always been worth repackaging things to diverge from Debian on this where they've already created separate packages16:32
kirklandrtg: for obvious reasons, that involves a new layer of complexity :-)16:32
Chipzz$ apt-cache showsrc make | grep ^Binary16:33
ChipzzBinary: make16:33
rtgkirkland: indeed, there is likely some black magic involved.16:33
cjwatsonapt-cache search -n ^make16:33
tseliotpitti: the problem is that when jockey updated the treeview it simply appended a new column, hence our treeview bug16:34
kirklandrtg: Oct 24 11:19:57 <mhalcrow>      kirkland: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/ecryptfs/ecryptfs-filename-crypto-2.6.27-rc7-20081024.txt16:34
kirklandrtg: that was a snapshot of the patch from earlier in the week16:35
evandmvo: thanks, I'll check it out in a bit16:35
Kanohi, could you set packages.ubuntu.com to intrepid?16:35
rtgkirkland: I wonder if it'll require an underlying filesystem with xattrs16:35
kirklandrtg: almost certainly16:36
Chipzzcjwatson: right. while I can understand your pov, I think debian is being anal with their dfsg... but anyway, thx for the pointer16:36
Chipzzshould have looked more closely I guess16:36
rtgkirkland: fortunately we set CONFIG_EXT3_FS_XATTR=y16:37
kirklandrtg: if you have any interest in discussing the design/implementation details with mhalcrow, he's quite passionate about it, and would be glad to chat16:37
rtgkirkland: well, that would require that I get smart about it, and I'm not sure I have that kind of time :)16:38
kirklandrtg: ;-)16:38
Chipzzbtw, congratulations on the release! :)16:38
kirklandrtg: yeah, i'm handling most of the userspace side for him now, which has freed him up to concentrate more on the kernel side16:38
kirklandrtg: he has another kernel developer, tyhicks that's working on it with him16:38
kirklandrtg: they're also trying to fix a real bugger of a problem, getting it to work properly on networked mounted (nfs, cifs) filesystems16:39
rtgkirkland: good to know. guess I'll go back to herding cats in the wireless arena.16:39
kirklandrtg: ;-)  np16:40
joaopintoI am experiencing bug 291161, is there any visible syntax problem with the resolv.conf file ?16:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 291161 in bind9 "nslookup: parse of /etc/resolv.conf failed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29116116:41
joaopintoI didn't had this problem with Hardy16:43
joaopintoanyone familiar with the changes on dnsutils  ?16:44
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hungerCongatulations to the release!16:53
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kirklandrtg: tyhicks> kirkland: filenamecrypto branch of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/mhalcrow/ecryptfs.git17:32
rtgkirkland: cloning17:32
kirklandrtg: a new userspace ecryptfs-utils will be required too;  i'll merge that for jaunty as soon as the archive re-opens17:34
kirklandrtg: or, you can pass the options manually on the mount options (easier)17:35
rtgkirkland: I'll look you up at UDS about it.17:35
kirklandrtg: deal ;-)17:35
seb128evand, cjwatson: where is the code for the ubiquity partitioner bar?17:37
seb128rhythmbox guys are asking because they are interested to use something similar so they are looking around for existant implementation of such widget17:37
cjwatsonseb128: ubiquity/segmented_bar.py17:37
cjwatsonin the ubiquity source17:37
kirklandrtg: basically: ecryptfs_sig=7fa06f4b66fcde02,ecryptfs_cipher=aes,ecryptfs_key_bytes=16,ecryptfs_fnek_sig=7fa06f4b66fcde02,ecryptfs_passthrough,rw,noauto17:38
kirklandrtg: ecryptfs_fnek_sig = signature of the filename encryption key17:38
kirklandrtg: in this case, same, for simplicity17:38
cjwatsonseb128: originally from the Hyena UI library in Banshee, Evan sayd17:38
rtgkirkland: urk! it really needs an app helper then.17:39
seb128cjwatson: ok, I think they looked at banshee but the code is C#, they are trying to figure if there is a C version somewhere ;-)17:39
kirklandrtg: i'm going to handle all of that in ecryptfs-utils ;-)17:39
cjwatsonseb128: yeah, we can't help there; if there were a C version in some common library we might well want to use it though :)17:39
Cheardpaste from #ubuntu: i just wanted to again thank the developers and support for this great release (in addition to all the kernel, package and WM devs). 8.10 is without a doubt, the best ubuntu release, yet17:46
\shwho has some insights into usb-creator? I just pushed the live cd iso i386 image onto a kingston datatraveller 1GB stick...and my thinkpad r60 tells me: invalid or damanged bootable partition17:53
maxb_Sort of on that note, is it documented anywhere why usb-creator installs using an .iso, rather that just putting a vanilla ubuntu install onto the usbstick? I suppose it's hardware driver related?17:54
MaximLevitskyHow I can run a script on gnome shutdown?18:35
MaximLevitskyI need to stop azureus18:35
MaximLevitskyCan't see anything useful on google18:35
thomMaximLevitsky: try #ubuntu for support18:38
MaximLevitskyI tried there18:38
MaximLevitskyThis is advanced question18:39
PiciThis is not a support channel.18:39
thomdoesn't matter, this is not a support channel18:39
MaximLevitskyI know, sorry18:39
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PiciMaximLevitsky: Just be patient in #ubuntu, its busy due to the Intrepid release. :)18:39
MaximLevitskyIt was released?18:40
iulianYes, today and we should take a nap.18:40
MaximLevitskyI thought that few more days are left for release18:41
bdmurraypitti: I'm still not seeing the -proposed version of rhythmbox fwiw18:42
pittibdmurray: hm, it's on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox18:43
pittibdmurray: it built, too; seems to be a soyuz problem with publishing them, or so18:44
pittibdmurray: other packages are there, just RB is missing18:46
pittibdmurray: for now I'd blame general slowness due to release traffic18:46
pittibdmurray: I'll check again tomorrow18:46
bdmurraypitti: of course, the one I was going to verify is missing ;-)18:47
directhexfailed upgrade.19:28
directhexnot sure why though. rebuilding all UUID stuff in menu.lst and fstab, and running update-grub, was enough19:48
* pochu congrats everybody for the Intrepid release \o/19:52
pcc1is aggregated hwdb data available anywhere?20:02
pcc1is the source code for http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/ publicly available?20:10
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mptpcc1, I don't know where the code is for hwdb.ubuntu.com is, but its successor will be part of Launchpad, which will be open source within a year20:26
Mithrandirmpt: the hwdb will be open source or lp itself?20:30
Mithrandirmpt: as in all of it?20:30
Mithrandir(and are you on record saying this?)20:30
siretartMithrandir: that has been mentioned already various times on #launchpad by various lp devs20:31
mpterm, this is nothing new20:31
Mithrandirit's new enough that at least I haven't seen it before.20:31
Mithrandirbut then, I pay less attention to LP stuff than I used to20:32
ajmitchMithrandir: you've been cut off from the world :)20:32
ajmitchgood to see you around, btw20:33
wgrantMithrandir: They didn't actually publicise it anywhere... I only heard about it by noticing a link on some other Canonical-related article.20:47
wgrantI was rather surprised, gtiven that it would surely have markedly improved Launchpad's image.20:47
pwnguinit seemed like a sort of slip of the tongue more than an intentional plan20:48
wgrantpwnguin: That was my first thought too.20:49
Mithrandirwgrant: I'd have assumed planets should have picked it up.20:53
Mithrandirapparently, they didn't20:53
wgrantI think there might have been a mention or two...20:55
wgrantBut nothing like I would have expected.20:56
ograargh, the return of libflashsupport21:02
* ogra just notices it got imported from debin21:03
ograasac, ^^^21:03
ograluckily nothing uses it by default21:03
asacogra: what?21:03
asacdamn thing ;)21:04
asacjust want to go away21:04
pittitseliot: so, the problem is that multiple clicks on the icon cause ui_show_main() to be called several times21:07
pittitseliot: I'll add a test case to ensure that this will be sufficiently idempotent, and then fix it to not append the columns again21:07
tseliotpitti: yes, that's the problem. While in kde we can simply clear the treeview and start filling it with items the same is not true for gtk.21:09
tseliotpitti: do you want to block the app after the 1st click on the icon?21:10
pittitseliot: I'd like the icon to go away21:10
pittitseliot: but nevertheless you shold be able to call ui_show_main() multiple times without damage21:10
pittiso I'd like to fix both21:10
tseliotpitti: aah, you want the icon to go away after you have clicked on it21:11
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tseliotpitti: let me know how it goes21:12
pittitseliot: in gtk I plan to call get_columns(), and if that already has stuff, don't init it again21:12
tseliotpitti: just make sure that it actually refreshes the treeview after you install something21:13
pittitseliot: ok, got nice test cases (which explicitly test the column counts, too), KDE is fine21:22
pittiui_show_main() idempotency ... ok21:24
tseliotcongrats ;)21:25
pittitseliot: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jockey-hackers/jockey/trunk/revision/499 FYI21:27
* pitti is a test case fetishist21:27
pittioh, speaking of fetishes -- http://xkcd.com/468/21:28
tseliotpitti: but won't get_columns() return an empty list? Maybe try with if len(self.treeview.get_columns()) == 0:21:31
pittitseliot: yes, it will21:31
pittitseliot: in Python, [] is considered "false"21:31
pittitseliot: None, [], set(), (), 0, and False21:32
pittioh, and ''21:32
tseliotpitti: aaah21:32
tseliotok then21:32
pittitseliot: but yes, it would be a little more readable, I guess21:32
pittiold habit (and laziness)21:32
tseliotpitti: I was expecting a NoneType object but yes, whatever you prefer21:33
pittigood night everyone21:34
tseliotgood night21:34
ajmitchnight pitti21:34
ograpitti, enjoy your spare day tomorrow :)21:36
glatzorjcastro, hello21:46
glatzorjcastro, have got recieved my email?21:47
glatzorjcastro, I just want to confirm my participation in foss camp and uds21:48
ogragreat to hear21:48
bryceheya glatzor21:49
glatzorhello bryce !21:49
glatzorevening ogra!21:49
bryceogasawara: when you get a chance could you look at bug 279999?  This is a handless mouse device henrik lent me, but it seems to be not functioning at some layer below X (maybe kernel or hal)22:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 279999 in hal "NaturalPoint SmartNav4 support" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27999922:01
ogasawarabryce: sure22:01
jdstrandkees: re bug #291091-- I didn't want to mess with it too much cause of all of slangasek's pam-auth-update magic22:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 291091 in pam "passwd -e locks account" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29109122:03
Hobbseemorning all22:36
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ogasawarabryce: for bug 279999, just curious if anything it spit out to dmesg when you plug in the device?22:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 279999 in hal "NaturalPoint SmartNav4 support" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27999922:44
bryceogasawara: yep:23:02
bryce[714855.492077] usb 4-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 223:02
bryce[714856.320559] usb 4-3: string descriptor 0 read error: -2223:02
bryce[714856.320683] usb 4-3: string descriptor 0 read error: -2223:02
bryce[714856.321530] usb 4-3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice23:02
nixternalanyone able to explain why I can't ls /foo/bar/blah when I copy and paste, but if I manually type it and tab complete it works?23:05
nixternalI am have issues with my ant build scripts that worked yesterday, but today they don't, and the only update I got was base-files since then23:06
sorennixternal: Did you type that or cut and paste it?23:12
sorennixternal: And what error do you get?23:14
nixternalif I cut and paste it, i get the following error:23:14
nixternalls: cannot access /home/rjohnson/cleversafe/svn/swdev_mgmt/trunk/driveswap/output/build/SOURCES/dsnet-driveswap-1.0.tar.gz: No such file or directory23:15
sorennixternal: If you first tab-complete your way to a functioning command line, can you copy and paste it then?23:16
sorennixternal: /me blames KDE or something :)23:20
nixternalsoren: ahh, I found it23:22
nixternalfor some reason23:22
nixternalthat swdev_mgmt is now swdev-mgmt23:22
nixternalerr, or it is being read as that23:22
nixternalwhen I run ant, it replaces the - with a _23:23
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