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=== ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Ubuntu Mobile Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 30 Oct 13:00: Desktop Team | 30 Oct 14:00: Ubuntu Java | 04 Nov 14:00: Technical Board | 04 Nov 21:00: Community Council | 18 Nov 11:00: Community Council | ||
* persia rings the alert bell | 12:02 | |
StevenK | Did I make it? :-P | 12:03 |
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ogra | no, you missed | 12:03 |
ogra | :P | 12:03 |
StevenK | Aww! | 12:03 |
* ogra proposes we move todays meeting to #ubuntu-release-party | 12:03 | |
persia | It's just a little noisy, no? | 12:03 |
StevenK | Oh yeah. That'll go *real* well | 12:04 |
ogra | makes it more exciting :) | 12:04 |
* persia doesn't want exciting | 12:04 | |
ogra | c'mon, its release day | 12:04 |
ogra | some excitement is allowed | 12:04 |
StevenK | ogra: No excitement for you | 12:05 |
ogra | where is lool ? | 12:05 |
ogra | :'-( | 12:05 |
persia | Excitement is dangerous. Elevated heart rate. You could suffer a mishap. | 12:05 |
davidm | StevenK, ogra can one of you take the meeting please | 12:05 |
ogra | excitement in happyness is healthy :) | 12:06 |
ogra | ok, lets go then | 12:06 |
ogra | [startmeeting] | 12:06 |
persia | It's # | 12:06 |
ogra | hmm | 12:06 |
ogra | #startmeeting | 12:06 |
MootBot | Meeting started at 07:06. The chair is ogra. | 12:06 |
MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 12:06 |
ogra | #topic Action Items from Oct 23rd, 2008 | 12:07 |
ogra | doesnt like me :/ | 12:07 |
StevenK | ogra: [topic] | 12:07 |
persia | It's [] for topic | 12:07 |
ogra | [Action Items from Oct 23rd, 2008] | 12:07 |
StevenK | It's a nice and consistent bot | 12:07 |
StevenK | ogra: "[topic] Action Items from Oct 23rd, 2008" | 12:08 |
ogra | if you know how to handle it, yes :P | 12:08 |
ogra | [topic] Action Items from Oct 23rd, 2008 | 12:08 |
MootBot | New Topic: Action Items from Oct 23rd, 2008 | 12:08 |
ogra | tsk | 12:08 |
ogra | persia to write an errata and milestone bug #287857 | 12:08 |
persia | \o/ | 12:08 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 287857 in kourou "Ubiquity prompting for step 5 in --automatic mode on Ubuntu MID RC image" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287857 | 12:08 |
StevenK | That has been sorted | 12:08 |
ogra | i guess thats all done since days | 12:08 |
persia | That actually got fixed, rather than needing errate. | 12:08 |
ogra | right | 12:09 |
ogra | and lots more ogt fixed as well last minute :) | 12:09 |
ogra | *got | 12:09 |
StevenK | Yup | 12:09 |
* persia thanks StevenK for the fast work on kourou | 12:09 | |
ogra | i think we've done pretty damn well for all the stepstones we had in the way | 12:09 |
davmor2 | Just for ogra: WOOHOO! | 12:09 |
ogra | :) | 12:10 |
ogra | next item: davidm to add a redirect page in wiki so folks reading announcement email get agenda (complete) | 12:10 |
ogra | says complete ... i'm inclined to belive that | 12:10 |
StevenK | Tes it | 12:10 |
StevenK | Er, Test | 12:10 |
davidm | It''s complete I tested it last week | 12:10 |
ogra | ok | 12:11 |
ogra | well, nothing else on the agenda apart from status reports it seems ... | 12:12 |
ogra | [topic] status of intrepid tasks: installer, images etc. (davidm) | 12:12 |
MootBot | New Topic: status of intrepid tasks: installer, images etc. (davidm) | 12:12 |
ogra | is amit here ? | 12:12 |
StevenK | I'm hoping that is all done. | 12:12 |
ogra | hmm, doesnt look like | 12:12 |
StevenK | If not | 12:12 |
davidm | I don't see him | 12:12 |
StevenK | :-) | 12:12 |
ogra | StevenK, any intresting status items you want to tell us abut ? :) | 12:13 |
StevenK | I've been testing images. So no | 12:13 |
ogra | yeah, i think that goes for all of us ... plus renaming stress | 12:13 |
ogra | anything else ? | 12:14 |
StevenK | Right | 12:14 |
* ogra takes that as a no :) | 12:14 | |
ogra | persia, ? anything else beyond testing | 12:15 |
persia | Yes. | 12:15 |
ogra | tell us :) | 12:15 |
persia | I want to talk about the process for people to join the mobile team. | 12:15 |
ogra | how is the status of that team atm ? is it handled like edubuntu or kubuntu teams ? | 12:15 |
persia | I think it ought be : someone who has been contributing to the mobile images for a bit adds themselves to the agenda, and we quiz them, and if a majority of us approve, they get to join. | 12:15 |
persia | Anyone else have any thoughts? | 12:16 |
ogra | i.e. do you gain membership joining it ? | 12:16 |
persia | Currently, the process is completely opaque, and involves bribing lool | 12:16 |
StevenK | Or David | 12:16 |
persia | No. You gain commit to some of the bzr repos. | 12:16 |
* persia didn't think David accepted bribes | 12:16 | |
ogra | he does, depends on the HW you send him ;) | 12:16 |
persia | Ah. | 12:17 |
StevenK | Or the foodstuffs | 12:17 |
ogra | heh | 12:17 |
persia | Anyway, I'm all for a process based less on graft. | 12:17 |
davidm | a documented process is something I am for myself | 12:17 |
ogra | well, i think since we aim to be part of the distro team it should rather work like any other of the subteams | 12:17 |
davidm | ogra, how do they work? | 12:17 |
ogra | but that would need somehing like a council etc | 12:18 |
ogra | you gain ubuntu membership with being allowed into the team | 12:18 |
persia | That's only Kubuntu. | 12:18 |
ogra | which is one of the steps needed to gain upload rights | 12:18 |
StevenK | And Xubuntu? | 12:18 |
ogra | edubuntu as well | 12:18 |
persia | Edubuntu, but not Xubuntu (last I checked) | 12:19 |
ogra | not sure about xubuntu, it once was | 12:19 |
* persia looks again | 12:19 | |
ogra | but that might have changed when they started building from universe | 12:19 |
ogra | though i think it makes sense and gives extra benefit | 12:19 |
persia | Anyway, I don't think we're big enough to need to fuss about "Members", "Developers", etc. | 12:19 |
StevenK | Agreed | 12:20 |
persia | The server team seems like a better model : they just accept people who contribute stuff. | 12:20 |
davidm | +1 | 12:20 |
ogra | ok, i'm overruled then :) | 12:20 |
StevenK | We aren't voting :-P | 12:20 |
persia | Yeah. Xubuntu doesn't have any mapping to Ubuntu Membership or uploads currently. | 12:21 |
davidm | true, I'm simply expressing agreement, with an idea not voting on it as yet, I'm way too tired to vote on anything | 12:21 |
lool | Hi folks, sorry I was at lunch thinking meeting is at 2pm | 12:21 |
lool | (I moved to UTC+1) | 12:21 |
ogra | me too :) | 12:21 |
ogra | lool, any opinion on team membership processes ? | 12:21 |
lool | I think it should be clear that we ultimately decide to accept someone | 12:22 |
lool | perhaps naming explicitely who may nominate new members | 12:22 |
ogra | persia, proposed to just base on contributions | 12:22 |
lool | And that this is discussed at least in a meeting where we can ask questions to the candidate | 12:22 |
lool | (similar to core-dev with TB) | 12:22 |
ogra | and on people subscribing to the agenda being asked in the meeting | 12:22 |
lool | apart of that, I'm fine | 12:22 |
persia | I thought self-nominated would be good. We can pick on them if they don't contribute enough. | 12:22 |
Burgundavia | ogra: is the mobile team interested in granting membership? | 12:23 |
ogra | Burgundavia, well, doesnt look like ... | 12:23 |
Burgundavia | if so, basically you need to come to the CC for that | 12:23 |
persia | Burgundavia, I don't think we have enough interested people yet to start that dicussion. | 12:23 |
StevenK | I don't think we want to grant ubuntu membership | 12:23 |
ogra | wh not ? | 12:23 |
Burgundavia | although I don;t see any specific reason why you couldn't and it would probably make sense | 12:23 |
ogra | if someone is only intrested in mobile | 12:23 |
ogra | he likely wont want to go to the CC | 12:24 |
ogra | or the LOCO group, or whoever approves members nowadays | 12:24 |
persia | I think it makes sense once we have enough popularity for our flavours. Right now, we're still small. | 12:24 |
ogra | in the end its just an extra you get | 12:24 |
ogra | ad membership defines by contributing and agreeing to the CoC | 12:25 |
StevenK | I agree with persia | 12:25 |
Burgundavia | having a contributors team that has a low barrier to entry and a stepping stone to membership is a good idea, imho | 12:25 |
ogra | its just an additional goodie and people dont need to go to any additional entity to gain membership | 12:26 |
persia | Burgundavia, I'd agree with that : I just don't think our team is big enough to do that yet. | 12:26 |
ogra | it might attract more peope though | 12:26 |
ogra | *people | 12:26 |
CaPriCoRN^80 | i am here :) | 12:27 |
ogra | if you want your membership easily ... contribute to mobile :) | 12:27 |
* StevenK gets distracted by #u-r-p | 12:27 | |
ogra | hehe | 12:27 |
ogra | i said we should hold the meeting there :) | 12:27 |
StevenK | Haha | 12:27 |
ogra | so you dont have to switch | 12:27 |
StevenK | Oh yeah, with another 450 people | 12:27 |
persia | ogra, Can we have two separate conversations? One about having a transparent method to have people join, and a second if we want to be able to grant membership? | 12:28 |
CaPriCoRN^80 | ogra: contribute to mobile ? can u define that | 12:28 |
ogra | persia, indeed we can | 12:28 |
StevenK | We'd have 200 volunteers for the new membership process | 12:28 |
ogra | CaPriCoRN^80, fix bugs, help testing, make artwork, write docs .... | 12:28 |
ogra | write code ... | 12:28 |
ogra | etc | 12:28 |
ogra | anything that improves the work done by the mobile team | 12:29 |
ogra | StevenK, just announce the meeting there, they are all bored and waiting :) | 12:29 |
* lool needs to add something to the agenda | 12:29 | |
CaPriCoRN^80 | ogra: i am not very good in writing code . i just read on ubuntu site and thought to work with ubuntu people | 12:29 |
persia | So, anyone have any changes they want, or shall I just declare what I've proposed on the wiki? | 12:29 |
CaPriCoRN^80 | about me . i have experience in network administration | 12:30 |
ogra | persia, i think the process as you defined it is fine | 12:30 |
CaPriCoRN^80 | ogra: i want to join ubuntu people . thats my interest | 12:30 |
ogra | but i would really see added membership as a benefit ... which we should probably discuss by mail | 12:30 |
persia | ogra, Or just separately. | 12:31 |
ogra | right, lets move that to the end of the meeting then | 12:31 |
ogra | so ++ from me on persias proposal | 12:31 |
persia | lool, StevenK ? | 12:31 |
lool | +1 with above caveats | 12:31 |
persia | lool, I agree with the discussion part. How do you think nomination should be limited? | 12:32 |
StevenK | I'd like to read the complete proposal before I vote | 12:32 |
ogra | lool, oh, so you are against self nomination ? | 12:32 |
* persia quickly drafts something in a pastebin | 12:33 | |
lool | persia: Perhaps we need a core mobile team or a mobile team tech board; current suspects would be basically us :) | 12:33 |
lool | ogra: Not against self nomination no | 12:33 |
lool | I just want to restrict who decides of membership | 12:33 |
ogra | right, we'Re small enough to handle that easily and unbuerocratic atm | 12:33 |
persia | lool, We have mobile-core-dev. Perhaps that would be the right group? | 12:33 |
lool | ie new members can not elect new members immediately | 12:34 |
CaPriCoRN^80 | ogra: please let me know if i can participate | 12:34 |
CaPriCoRN^80 | through some mean | 12:34 |
lool | persia: Something like that yes | 12:34 |
lool | ogra: I fully agree | 12:34 |
persia | CaPriCoRN^80, You're entirely welcome to contribute. Please do so. For specifics, I suggest asking in #ubuntu-mobile after the meeting. | 12:34 |
CaPriCoRN^80 | ok | 12:34 |
ogra | persia, do you have a url for the proposal ? | 12:36 |
persia | http://paste.ubuntu.com/64588/ | 12:36 |
MootBot | LINK received: http://paste.ubuntu.com/64588/ | 12:36 |
lool | I see we're still under the "status of intrepid tasks" [topic], but we've really been discussing adding new members | 12:36 |
ogra | StevenK, ^^^ | 12:36 |
StevenK | Sounds good to me | 12:37 |
lool | Good enough to start with I think | 12:37 |
ogra | lool, well, we're not done with status, i asked persia if he had something to add to the rather non existing report :) | 12:37 |
davidm | Is work in the wiki enough to become a member? | 12:38 |
ogra | right, i think thats agreement so far | 12:38 |
persia | huh? I don't have any status. The release is happening. I only wanted to talk about team membership. | 12:38 |
ogra | davidm, i'D say yes, depending on the wiki work | 12:38 |
persia | davidm, Could be : depends on the work. If it helps us enough, I'd say "yes". | 12:38 |
ogra | persia, thats what i meant :) | 12:38 |
Burgundavia | persia: you should be explicitly clear that this is not Ubuntu membership, as it is currently ambiguous | 12:38 |
davidm | ogra, good, I think it''s important (given how much wiki work I've been doing of recent) | 12:38 |
ogra | davidm, someone who constantly writes helpful howtos shoud definately get membership | 12:39 |
persia | Burgundavia, Good point. I'll clean that up, as I specifically *don't* mean Ubuntu membership. | 12:39 |
ogra | *team membership | 12:39 |
CaPriCoRN^80 | orga: i joined ubuntu-mobile and wrote my query over there . let see | 12:39 |
persia | Burgundavia, Does http://paste.ubuntu.com/64589/ address your concern? | 12:39 |
Burgundavia | yep, that works | 12:40 |
Burgundavia | although I would add a comment about how their mobile work can apply for future Ubuntu membership | 12:40 |
persia | That makes sense. | 12:41 |
ogra | thats to be discussed at the end of the meeting | 12:41 |
persia | Anyway, any objections to me adding this to the Mobile Team wiki page, and later editing quibbles expressed as wiki edits? | 12:41 |
ogra | but looks like we have general agreement on the process | 12:41 |
ogra | fine with me ... | 12:41 |
persia | OK. I'm done then. | 12:41 |
Burgundavia | one last piece about uploading; afaik, all members of MOTU must also be members, but they can apply simultaneously. Check with dholbach though | 12:42 |
ogra | lool, anything to add to the status beyond image testing bughunting, release preparation etc ? | 12:42 |
lool | No | 12:43 |
lool | I have another topic to discuss at your convenience during this meeting | 12:43 |
lool | Which is new secretary | 12:43 |
StevenK | I was wondering about that | 12:43 |
ogra | at the end then | 12:43 |
lool | (I've added it to the end of the agenda some minutes ago) | 12:43 |
ogra | nothing from my side either beyond general release preparation ... | 12:44 |
StevenK | And davidm is the same, I'm guessing | 12:44 |
ogra | davidm, anything from your side for status beyond the general stuff ? | 12:44 |
davidm | indeed, I'm in london working with the release team here, learning ALOT. | 12:44 |
* ogra hopes they pointed you to #ubuntu-release-party :) | 12:45 | |
davidm | So I'm up to my ears in learning the process | 12:45 |
lool | I'd like to note that I wont be around for most of November | 12:45 |
davidm | I done | 12:45 |
ogra | great | 12:45 |
persia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam | 12:45 |
lool | persia: Looks good | 12:46 |
davidm | persia, works | 12:46 |
ogra | [topic] # New secretary for November (lool) | 12:46 |
MootBot | New Topic: # New secretary for November (lool) | 12:46 |
ogra | any volunteers ? | 12:46 |
lool | So I've been aggregating the activity reports of people in the mobile team for september and october | 12:47 |
lool | And would love someone to pick up November | 12:47 |
lool | Doubly so as I'm not around much of November | 12:47 |
davidm | I want just to say this has been very helpful and wanted to thank lool for his efforts in October. | 12:47 |
* lool blushes | 12:47 | |
* ogra hugs lool for keeping up with him | 12:47 | |
davidm | I've been quite surprised just how much this has helped me during the last month. | 12:47 |
lool | So, any taker? | 12:48 |
* persia has a hankerning for January, and hopes someone else volunteers for November | 12:48 | |
davidm | so StevenK persia ogra will one of you step up and take November please? | 12:48 |
lool | it gets you the benefit of knowing about activity before the end of the week!! | 12:48 |
ogra | heh | 12:48 |
* ogra takes it though usually hardly manages his own ARs | 12:49 | |
lool | [agreed]! | 12:49 |
davidm | Thank you ogra | 12:49 |
lool | ogra: [agreed] ogra to be November's secretary | 12:49 |
ogra | [action] ogra to be the november secretary (no lipstick involved) | 12:49 |
MootBot | ACTION received: ogra to be the november secretary (no lipstick involved) | 12:49 |
lool | Should I still take this week? | 12:49 |
lool | It started in Oct and ends in Nov :) | 12:49 |
StevenK | It isn't November until Saturday | 12:50 |
davidm | Since persia volunteered for Jan that leaves StevenK with December | 12:50 |
ogra | as you like, there wont be much on the list anyway | 12:50 |
ogra | ok, moving on then ... | 12:50 |
davidm | So unless there is disagreement are we good until February? | 12:50 |
StevenK | Sounds like it | 12:51 |
ogra | [topic] should ubuntu membership go with mobile team membership ? | 12:51 |
MootBot | New Topic: should ubuntu membership go with mobile team membership ? | 12:51 |
davidm | OK, thank you all | 12:51 |
persia | I say Not Yet. | 12:51 |
persia | We currently have some team members who are not yet Ubuntu Members, | 12:51 |
StevenK | Agreed, not yet | 12:51 |
ogra | i'D say yes :) | 12:51 |
persia | Let's wait until at least all of mobile-core-dev is Ubuntu Members, and then revisit. | 12:51 |
ogra | right, and they should become ubuntu members if they contribute | 12:52 |
* persia doesn't like non-members being responsible for Ubutu Membership | 12:52 | |
ogra | oh, we have core members that arent ubuntu members ? | 12:52 |
persia | Yes. | 12:52 |
ogra | how does that work ? | 12:52 |
davidm | me | 12:52 |
ogra | ah | 12:52 |
ogra | well, i guess your contributions are enough to jusify membership already | 12:53 |
davidm | persia, how about if I abstain from any votes until I meet ubuntu membership? | 12:53 |
ogra | just a matter of paperwork | 12:53 |
persia | So, let's bring this up again after davidm has membership. | 12:53 |
ogra | ok | 12:53 |
davidm | ogra I'm not so sure from what I've been told. | 12:53 |
persia | davidm, I think you have a strong view of contributions to the Mobile Team, and would rather see your voice on applications to join the team. | 12:53 |
davidm | persia, OK, then we wait | 12:53 |
ogra | you are caring for copyright automatin since a while ... i would count that as a big contribution for example | 12:53 |
ogra | and there is surely more | 12:54 |
ogra | well, ok, lets wait then | 12:55 |
ogra | AOB ? | 12:55 |
davidm | OK so are we done on this topic for now then? | 12:55 |
ogra | we are | 12:55 |
StevenK | ogra: Then drive the meeting | 12:55 |
StevenK | :-P | 12:55 |
ogra | well, thats why i said AOB :) | 12:55 |
ogra | but seems there is nothing | 12:56 |
ogra | so going once ... | 12:56 |
ogra | twice ... | 12:56 |
StevenK | Wait! | 12:56 |
StevenK | Just kidding | 12:56 |
lool | crap, was preparing the same joke | 12:56 |
* StevenK wins | 12:56 | |
* ogra waits until StevenK is done with kidding ... | 12:56 | |
persia | Congrats everyone on getting intrepid complete. | 12:56 |
lool | but I wait until after he #closes meeting | 12:56 |
ogra | adjourned, thanks all | 12:56 |
ogra | #endmeeting | 12:57 |
MootBot | Meeting finished at 07:57. | 12:57 |
lool | #endmeeting | 12:57 |
lool | thakns | 12:57 |
lool | ogra: thanks for chairing | 12:57 |
davidm | Yes, that is a BIG accomplishment for the team. | 12:57 |
lool | Chairing? Oh we manage every week | 12:57 |
ogra | so now everyone go to #ubuntu-release-party ! | 12:57 |
lool | It's not that hard really | 12:57 |
ogra | lool, :P | 12:57 |
davidm | release, mid will go up a tad late | 12:57 |
ogra | oh, why is that ? | 12:57 |
davidm | it does not have a prestaged image | 12:58 |
davidm | so we need to get it up there. | 12:58 |
ogra | it doesnt need one | 12:58 |
lool | Uh | 12:58 |
ogra | it stays on cdimage, no ? | 12:58 |
StevenK | UMPC does | 12:58 |
lool | No umpc, does | 12:58 |
ogra | cdimage isnt mirrored | 12:58 |
lool | -, | 12:58 |
ogra | ah | 12:58 |
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persia | Anyone about for the Java meeting? | 14:02 |
ogra | they all got swallowed by #u-r-p :) | 14:08 |
persia | Yeah, probably :) | 14:09 |
persia | Well, congrats on the intrepid effort : we'll try again next week. | 14:14 |
Koon | grmbl | 14:17 |
persia | Koon, ? | 14:17 |
Koon | (late) | 14:17 |
* Koon has trouble with TZ. | 14:17 | |
persia | Meeting was short. Only agenda item was congrats on finishing intrepid. Did you want to raise anything late? | 14:18 |
Koon | yay | 14:18 |
Koon | no, nothing :) | 14:18 |
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