=== nxvl_ is now known as nxvl === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Ubuntu Mobile Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 30 Oct 13:00: Desktop Team | 30 Oct 14:00: Ubuntu Java | 04 Nov 14:00: Technical Board | 04 Nov 21:00: Community Council | 18 Nov 11:00: Community Council [12:02] * persia rings the alert bell [12:03] Did I make it? :-P [12:03] no, you missed [12:03] :P [12:03] Aww! [12:03] * ogra proposes we move todays meeting to #ubuntu-release-party [12:03] It's just a little noisy, no? [12:04] Oh yeah. That'll go *real* well [12:04] makes it more exciting :) [12:04] * persia doesn't want exciting [12:04] c'mon, its release day [12:04] some excitement is allowed [12:05] ogra: No excitement for you [12:05] where is lool ? [12:05] :'-( [12:05] Excitement is dangerous. Elevated heart rate. You could suffer a mishap. [12:05] StevenK, ogra can one of you take the meeting please [12:06] excitement in happyness is healthy :) [12:06] ok, lets go then [12:06] [startmeeting] [12:06] It's # [12:06] hmm [12:06] #startmeeting [12:06] Meeting started at 07:06. The chair is ogra. [12:06] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [12:07] #topic Action Items from Oct 23rd, 2008 [12:07] doesnt like me :/ [12:07] ogra: [topic] [12:07] It's [] for topic [12:07] [Action Items from Oct 23rd, 2008] [12:07] It's a nice and consistent bot [12:08] ogra: "[topic] Action Items from Oct 23rd, 2008" [12:08] if you know how to handle it, yes :P [12:08] [topic] Action Items from Oct 23rd, 2008 [12:08] New Topic: Action Items from Oct 23rd, 2008 [12:08] tsk [12:08] persia to write an errata and milestone bug #287857 [12:08] \o/ [12:08] Launchpad bug 287857 in kourou "Ubiquity prompting for step 5 in --automatic mode on Ubuntu MID RC image" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287857 [12:08] That has been sorted [12:08] i guess thats all done since days [12:08] That actually got fixed, rather than needing errate. [12:09] right [12:09] and lots more ogt fixed as well last minute :) [12:09] *got [12:09] Yup [12:09] * persia thanks StevenK for the fast work on kourou [12:09] i think we've done pretty damn well for all the stepstones we had in the way [12:09] Just for ogra: WOOHOO! [12:10] :) [12:10] next item: davidm to add a redirect page in wiki so folks reading announcement email get agenda (complete) [12:10] says complete ... i'm inclined to belive that [12:10] Tes it [12:10] Er, Test [12:10] It''s complete I tested it last week [12:11] ok [12:12] well, nothing else on the agenda apart from status reports it seems ... [12:12] [topic] status of intrepid tasks: installer, images etc. (davidm) [12:12] New Topic: status of intrepid tasks: installer, images etc. (davidm) [12:12] is amit here ? [12:12] I'm hoping that is all done. [12:12] hmm, doesnt look like [12:12] If not [12:12] I don't see him [12:12] :-) [12:13] StevenK, any intresting status items you want to tell us abut ? :) [12:13] I've been testing images. So no [12:13] yeah, i think that goes for all of us ... plus renaming stress [12:14] anything else ? [12:14] Right [12:14] * ogra takes that as a no :) [12:15] persia, ? anything else beyond testing [12:15] Yes. [12:15] tell us :) [12:15] I want to talk about the process for people to join the mobile team. [12:15] how is the status of that team atm ? is it handled like edubuntu or kubuntu teams ? [12:15] I think it ought be : someone who has been contributing to the mobile images for a bit adds themselves to the agenda, and we quiz them, and if a majority of us approve, they get to join. [12:16] Anyone else have any thoughts? [12:16] i.e. do you gain membership joining it ? [12:16] Currently, the process is completely opaque, and involves bribing lool [12:16] Or David [12:16] No. You gain commit to some of the bzr repos. [12:16] * persia didn't think David accepted bribes [12:16] he does, depends on the HW you send him ;) [12:17] Ah. [12:17] Or the foodstuffs [12:17] heh [12:17] Anyway, I'm all for a process based less on graft. [12:17] a documented process is something I am for myself [12:17] well, i think since we aim to be part of the distro team it should rather work like any other of the subteams [12:17] ogra, how do they work? [12:18] but that would need somehing like a council etc [12:18] you gain ubuntu membership with being allowed into the team [12:18] That's only Kubuntu. [12:18] which is one of the steps needed to gain upload rights [12:18] And Xubuntu? [12:18] edubuntu as well [12:19] Edubuntu, but not Xubuntu (last I checked) [12:19] not sure about xubuntu, it once was [12:19] * persia looks again [12:19] but that might have changed when they started building from universe [12:19] though i think it makes sense and gives extra benefit [12:19] Anyway, I don't think we're big enough to need to fuss about "Members", "Developers", etc. [12:20] Agreed [12:20] The server team seems like a better model : they just accept people who contribute stuff. [12:20] +1 [12:20] ok, i'm overruled then :) [12:20] We aren't voting :-P [12:21] Yeah. Xubuntu doesn't have any mapping to Ubuntu Membership or uploads currently. [12:21] true, I'm simply expressing agreement, with an idea not voting on it as yet, I'm way too tired to vote on anything [12:21] Hi folks, sorry I was at lunch thinking meeting is at 2pm [12:21] (I moved to UTC+1) [12:21] me too :) [12:21] lool, any opinion on team membership processes ? [12:22] I think it should be clear that we ultimately decide to accept someone [12:22] perhaps naming explicitely who may nominate new members [12:22] persia, proposed to just base on contributions [12:22] And that this is discussed at least in a meeting where we can ask questions to the candidate [12:22] (similar to core-dev with TB) [12:22] and on people subscribing to the agenda being asked in the meeting [12:22] apart of that, I'm fine [12:22] I thought self-nominated would be good. We can pick on them if they don't contribute enough. [12:23] ogra: is the mobile team interested in granting membership? [12:23] Burgundavia, well, doesnt look like ... [12:23] if so, basically you need to come to the CC for that [12:23] Burgundavia, I don't think we have enough interested people yet to start that dicussion. [12:23] I don't think we want to grant ubuntu membership [12:23] wh not ? [12:23] although I don;t see any specific reason why you couldn't and it would probably make sense [12:23] if someone is only intrested in mobile [12:24] he likely wont want to go to the CC [12:24] or the LOCO group, or whoever approves members nowadays [12:24] I think it makes sense once we have enough popularity for our flavours. Right now, we're still small. [12:24] in the end its just an extra you get [12:25] ad membership defines by contributing and agreeing to the CoC [12:25] I agree with persia [12:25] having a contributors team that has a low barrier to entry and a stepping stone to membership is a good idea, imho [12:26] its just an additional goodie and people dont need to go to any additional entity to gain membership [12:26] Burgundavia, I'd agree with that : I just don't think our team is big enough to do that yet. [12:26] it might attract more peope though [12:26] *people [12:27] i am here :) [12:27] if you want your membership easily ... contribute to mobile :) [12:27] * StevenK gets distracted by #u-r-p [12:27] hehe [12:27] i said we should hold the meeting there :) [12:27] Haha [12:27] so you dont have to switch [12:27] Oh yeah, with another 450 people [12:28] ogra, Can we have two separate conversations? One about having a transparent method to have people join, and a second if we want to be able to grant membership? [12:28] ogra: contribute to mobile ? can u define that [12:28] persia, indeed we can [12:28] We'd have 200 volunteers for the new membership process [12:28] CaPriCoRN^80, fix bugs, help testing, make artwork, write docs .... [12:28] write code ... [12:28] etc [12:29] anything that improves the work done by the mobile team [12:29] StevenK, just announce the meeting there, they are all bored and waiting :) [12:29] * lool needs to add something to the agenda [12:29] ogra: i am not very good in writing code . i just read on ubuntu site and thought to work with ubuntu people [12:29] So, anyone have any changes they want, or shall I just declare what I've proposed on the wiki? [12:30] about me . i have experience in network administration [12:30] persia, i think the process as you defined it is fine [12:30] ogra: i want to join ubuntu people . thats my interest [12:30] but i would really see added membership as a benefit ... which we should probably discuss by mail [12:31] ogra, Or just separately. [12:31] right, lets move that to the end of the meeting then [12:31] so ++ from me on persias proposal [12:31] lool, StevenK ? [12:31] +1 with above caveats [12:32] lool, I agree with the discussion part. How do you think nomination should be limited? [12:32] I'd like to read the complete proposal before I vote [12:32] lool, oh, so you are against self nomination ? [12:33] * persia quickly drafts something in a pastebin [12:33] persia: Perhaps we need a core mobile team or a mobile team tech board; current suspects would be basically us :) [12:33] ogra: Not against self nomination no [12:33] I just want to restrict who decides of membership [12:33] right, we'Re small enough to handle that easily and unbuerocratic atm [12:33] lool, We have mobile-core-dev. Perhaps that would be the right group? [12:34] ie new members can not elect new members immediately [12:34] ogra: please let me know if i can participate [12:34] through some mean [12:34] persia: Something like that yes [12:34] ogra: I fully agree [12:34] CaPriCoRN^80, You're entirely welcome to contribute. Please do so. For specifics, I suggest asking in #ubuntu-mobile after the meeting. [12:34] ok [12:36] persia, do you have a url for the proposal ? [12:36] http://paste.ubuntu.com/64588/ [12:36] LINK received: http://paste.ubuntu.com/64588/ [12:36] I see we're still under the "status of intrepid tasks" [topic], but we've really been discussing adding new members [12:36] StevenK, ^^^ [12:37] Sounds good to me [12:37] Good enough to start with I think [12:37] lool, well, we're not done with status, i asked persia if he had something to add to the rather non existing report :) [12:38] Is work in the wiki enough to become a member? [12:38] right, i think thats agreement so far [12:38] huh? I don't have any status. The release is happening. I only wanted to talk about team membership. [12:38] davidm, i'D say yes, depending on the wiki work [12:38] davidm, Could be : depends on the work. If it helps us enough, I'd say "yes". [12:38] persia, thats what i meant :) [12:38] persia: you should be explicitly clear that this is not Ubuntu membership, as it is currently ambiguous [12:38] ogra, good, I think it''s important (given how much wiki work I've been doing of recent) [12:39] davidm, someone who constantly writes helpful howtos shoud definately get membership [12:39] Burgundavia, Good point. I'll clean that up, as I specifically *don't* mean Ubuntu membership. [12:39] *team membership [12:39] orga: i joined ubuntu-mobile and wrote my query over there . let see [12:39] Burgundavia, Does http://paste.ubuntu.com/64589/ address your concern? [12:40] yep, that works [12:40] although I would add a comment about how their mobile work can apply for future Ubuntu membership [12:41] That makes sense. [12:41] thats to be discussed at the end of the meeting [12:41] Anyway, any objections to me adding this to the Mobile Team wiki page, and later editing quibbles expressed as wiki edits? [12:41] but looks like we have general agreement on the process [12:41] fine with me ... [12:41] OK. I'm done then. [12:42] one last piece about uploading; afaik, all members of MOTU must also be members, but they can apply simultaneously. Check with dholbach though [12:42] lool, anything to add to the status beyond image testing bughunting, release preparation etc ? [12:43] No [12:43] I have another topic to discuss at your convenience during this meeting [12:43] Which is new secretary [12:43] I was wondering about that [12:43] at the end then [12:43] (I've added it to the end of the agenda some minutes ago) [12:44] nothing from my side either beyond general release preparation ... [12:44] And davidm is the same, I'm guessing [12:44] davidm, anything from your side for status beyond the general stuff ? [12:44] indeed, I'm in london working with the release team here, learning ALOT. [12:45] * ogra hopes they pointed you to #ubuntu-release-party :) [12:45] So I'm up to my ears in learning the process [12:45] I'd like to note that I wont be around for most of November [12:45] I done [12:45] great [12:45] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam [12:46] persia: Looks good [12:46] persia, works [12:46] [topic] # New secretary for November (lool) [12:46] New Topic: # New secretary for November (lool) [12:46] any volunteers ? [12:47] So I've been aggregating the activity reports of people in the mobile team for september and october [12:47] And would love someone to pick up November [12:47] Doubly so as I'm not around much of November [12:47] I want just to say this has been very helpful and wanted to thank lool for his efforts in October. [12:47] * lool blushes [12:47] * ogra hugs lool for keeping up with him [12:47] I've been quite surprised just how much this has helped me during the last month. [12:48] So, any taker? [12:48] * persia has a hankerning for January, and hopes someone else volunteers for November [12:48] so StevenK persia ogra will one of you step up and take November please? [12:48] it gets you the benefit of knowing about activity before the end of the week!! [12:48] heh [12:49] * ogra takes it though usually hardly manages his own ARs [12:49] [agreed]! [12:49] Thank you ogra [12:49] ogra: [agreed] ogra to be November's secretary [12:49] [action] ogra to be the november secretary (no lipstick involved) [12:49] ACTION received: ogra to be the november secretary (no lipstick involved) [12:49] Should I still take this week? [12:49] It started in Oct and ends in Nov :) [12:50] It isn't November until Saturday [12:50] Since persia volunteered for Jan that leaves StevenK with December [12:50] as you like, there wont be much on the list anyway [12:50] ok, moving on then ... [12:50] So unless there is disagreement are we good until February? [12:51] Sounds like it [12:51] [topic] should ubuntu membership go with mobile team membership ? [12:51] New Topic: should ubuntu membership go with mobile team membership ? [12:51] OK, thank you all [12:51] I say Not Yet. [12:51] We currently have some team members who are not yet Ubuntu Members, [12:51] Agreed, not yet [12:51] i'D say yes :) [12:51] Let's wait until at least all of mobile-core-dev is Ubuntu Members, and then revisit. [12:52] right, and they should become ubuntu members if they contribute [12:52] * persia doesn't like non-members being responsible for Ubutu Membership [12:52] oh, we have core members that arent ubuntu members ? [12:52] Yes. [12:52] how does that work ? [12:52] me [12:52] ah [12:53] well, i guess your contributions are enough to jusify membership already [12:53] persia, how about if I abstain from any votes until I meet ubuntu membership? [12:53] just a matter of paperwork [12:53] So, let's bring this up again after davidm has membership. [12:53] ok [12:53] ogra I'm not so sure from what I've been told. [12:53] davidm, I think you have a strong view of contributions to the Mobile Team, and would rather see your voice on applications to join the team. [12:53] persia, OK, then we wait [12:53] you are caring for copyright automatin since a while ... i would count that as a big contribution for example [12:54] and there is surely more [12:55] well, ok, lets wait then [12:55] AOB ? [12:55] OK so are we done on this topic for now then? [12:55] we are [12:55] ogra: Then drive the meeting [12:55] :-P [12:55] well, thats why i said AOB :) [12:56] but seems there is nothing [12:56] so going once ... [12:56] twice ... [12:56] Wait! [12:56] Just kidding [12:56] crap, was preparing the same joke [12:56] * StevenK wins [12:56] * ogra waits until StevenK is done with kidding ... [12:56] Congrats everyone on getting intrepid complete. [12:56] but I wait until after he #closes meeting [12:56] adjourned, thanks all [12:57] #endmeeting [12:57] Meeting finished at 07:57. [12:57] #endmeeting [12:57] thakns [12:57] ogra: thanks for chairing [12:57] Yes, that is a BIG accomplishment for the team. [12:57] Chairing? Oh we manage every week [12:57] so now everyone go to #ubuntu-release-party ! [12:57] It's not that hard really [12:57] lool, :P [12:57] release, mid will go up a tad late [12:57] oh, why is that ? [12:58] it does not have a prestaged image [12:58] so we need to get it up there. [12:58] it doesnt need one [12:58] Uh [12:58] it stays on cdimage, no ? [12:58] UMPC does [12:58] No umpc, does [12:58] cdimage isnt mirrored [12:58] -, [12:58] ah === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Desktop Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 30 Oct 14:00: Ubuntu Java | 04 Nov 14:00: Technical Board | 04 Nov 21:00: Community Council | 18 Nov 11:00: Community Council === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Desktop Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 30 Oct 14:00: Ubuntu Java | 04 Nov 14:00: Technical Board | 04 Nov 21:00: Community Council | 18 Nov 11:00: Community Council | 21 Nov 20:00: Tunisian LoCo Team IRC === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Ubuntu Java Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 04 Nov 14:00: Technical Board | 04 Nov 21:00: Community Council | 18 Nov 11:00: Community Council | 21 Nov 20:00: Tunisian LoCo Team IRC [14:02] Anyone about for the Java meeting? [14:08] they all got swallowed by #u-r-p :) [14:09] Yeah, probably :) [14:14] Well, congrats on the intrepid effort : we'll try again next week. [14:17] grmbl [14:17] Koon, ? [14:17] (late) [14:17] * Koon has trouble with TZ. [14:18] Meeting was short. Only agenda item was congrats on finishing intrepid. Did you want to raise anything late? 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