[00:04] <LjL> linuxfan: can we help you?
[00:05] <linuxfan> oops, lol sorry this is an old xchat config, i used to have a #Ubuntu-ops on my other network, ill disable it now sorry guys
[00:05] <LjL> i've just added a little feature to partybot1 that whoever originally wrote the topic will like ;)
[00:05] <LjL> they have an #Ubuntu-ops on another network?
[00:05] <PriceChild> there's a few #ubuntu's
[00:05] <PriceChild> LjL: tell tell tell :P
[00:05] <Seeker`> right, its the 30th, is Ubuntu released yet?
[00:06] <LjL> i would figure, but i'd never have thought they'd all be so organized
[00:06] <LjL> Seeker`: try asking with other words (pricechild too)
[00:06] <PriceChild> LjL: that didn't work :(
[00:06] <LjL> PriceChild: sorry my bad, i don't have enough imagination
[00:06] <PriceChild> hehe
[00:07] <PriceChild> guess the wording then :P
[00:07] <LjL> PriceChild: ok, someone managed to trigger it anyway
[00:07]  * PriceChild highfives LjL 
[00:08] <PriceChild> LjL: there's a dodgy "31" in ther eon my screen
[00:08] <LjL> PriceChild: yeah i changed a "," into "at" at the last minute, but the date() function didn't like that
[00:08] <LjL> fixing
[00:11] <PriceChild> the penny drops
[00:12] <LjL> on their head
[00:12] <LjL> and it's kind of heavier than a penny
[00:13] <LjL> but he's right, i should have done it earlier
[00:13] <LjL> by now it'd be saying 2009
[00:13]  * Seeker` hides 
[00:19] <Seeker`> pasting links other than to RC or 8.04 should be banned
[00:20] <LjL> and it is
[00:20] <LjL> what are they pasting?
[00:22] <Seeker`> nvm, my mistake
[00:22] <Seeker`> they should have a release at midnight one time
[00:22] <Seeker`> *really* surprise everyone
[00:22] <Seeker`> "is it out yet?" "yes"
[00:32] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[00:32] <Myrtti> midnight what timezone
[00:33] <jrib> earliest possible
[00:35] <LjL> [01:34:22] <cob> so what's this stuff about 8.10 being final within a few hours?
[00:35] <LjL> [01:34:24] <PartyBot1> cob: Was scheduled for Oct, 31, 06:00, but now that you've asked, it's been delayed by 2 hours
[00:35] <LjL> [01:34:46] <cob> 06:00 GMT?
[00:35] <LjL> mwhahahaha
[00:39] <Pici> evil...
[00:40] <Pici> i like it
[00:46] <mneptok> LjL: 20:41 < Socceroos> it seems LjL isn't around! we can all ask *that* question!!!
[00:46] <mneptok> your name in vain ....
[00:46] <LjL> indeed, indeed
[00:46] <LjL> violet highlight, sure way not to make me miss it
[00:47] <PriceChild> LjL: how about making it only respond a small amount of the time.
[00:47] <LjL> (although i've got the bot on highlight too of course)
[00:47] <LjL> PriceChild: ok
[00:47] <PriceChild> LjL: will make it less fun for them for a while :P
[00:47] <LjL> PriceChild: but delay it anyway?
[00:47] <mneptok> LjL: sorry about jamming that pencil in your eye.
[00:47] <mneptok> is it out yet?
[00:47]  * mneptok runs
[00:47] <PriceChild> LjL: no idea, i'm just sure when new people arrive they will appreciate it the first time they see it
[00:48] <LjL> PriceChild: uhm wait, better idea, it'll only respond to people who didn't ask it before...
[00:48] <PriceChild> LjL: that's also good, but sounds more complicated :P
[00:48] <LjL> nah, it's an array
[00:49] <LjL> $Asked[]=$Nick; if(in_array($Nick, Asked)) {}
[00:49] <mneptok> LjL: if a person asks twice, have the bot PRIVMSG "the host $USERHOST has been added to the release tree blacklist"
[00:49] <PriceChild> and another array for not sending that twice :D
[00:50] <LjL> mneptok: gooooood idea
[00:51] <LjL> yeah it takes two arrays, so what
[00:51] <mneptok> i am nothing if not a complete bastard. ;)
[00:51] <PriceChild> LjL: and maybe change increments to something smaller? 8-)
[00:51] <PriceChild> LjL: while you're at it... ubottu needs to be rewritten
[00:52]  * Myrtti chuckles
[00:53] <Myrtti> you EVIL BASTARDS
[00:53] <Seeker`> LjL: And I believe there is an ubuntu release that needs releasing, while you're fiddling with stuff :P
[00:57] <Mez> lmao... and now - if I move too far from my PC - I get set away in IRC :D
[00:59] <Seeker`> Mez: why?
[01:02]  * Myrtti claps her hand to get the dust off them
[01:03] <Seeker`> night
[01:04]  * mneptok claps his hands to get the Myrtti off them
[01:04] <mneptok> embraceable YOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
[01:04] <LjL> anyway desktop i386 didn't pass the tests
[01:04] <Myrtti> mneptok: I'm difficult to get off
[01:04] <Seeker`> I blame Gazz*k
[01:05] <mneptok> Myrtti: i'll try not to read tyhat with my American slang goggles on
[01:05] <LjL> i blame both GazzaK and Gary. and SpongeBob too
[01:06] <Myrtti> mneptok: good
[01:06] <mneptok> Myrtti: you're still eminently embraceable
[01:09] <Myrtti> lovable at least
[01:09] <Myrtti> that's what I was just told ^____^
[01:10] <Myrtti> anyway
[01:11] <Myrtti> methinks it's time for bed
[01:14] <LjL> [02:13:48] <PartyBot1> WARNING: PM from lokpest - huh?
[01:14] <LjL> [02:14:02] <PartyBot1> WARNING: PM from lokpest - Anna?
[01:14] <LjL> oh jesus :)
[01:17] <LjL> [02:16:59] --> spytrdr has joined this channel (i=ssk@host73.190-31-239.telecom.net.ar
[01:17] <LjL> he also joined #debian, #fedora and #gentoo, all at the same time
[01:17] <LjL> have it on highlight, probably because of "trdr"... or something.
[01:23] <Flannel> what's trdr?
[01:25] <LjL> some troll i've had on highlight since 2006 or so i think
[01:25] <Mez>  dmsuperman: Servers now added unaffiliated/dmsuperman to the distributed blacklist (the torrents are also locked)
[01:25] <Mez> might be worth not showing that if there's a / :D
[01:25] <LjL> well i can't look beneath cloaks
[01:26] <LjL> ok, will say "your host" now
[01:26] <Mez> LjL: just dont show that message if there's a / in their host
[01:29] <PriceChild> i'll put in a request to staff
[01:30] <mneptok> PriceChild: printi g a real hostmask to a public channel when a user has deliberately cloaked it may be in poor taste
[01:30] <mneptok> *shrug*
[01:30] <PriceChild> mneptok: sorry I was being sarcastic.
[01:31] <mneptok> PriceChild: ohthankgawd
[01:32] <Mez> PriceChild: oh, I thought you were just planning on making it do /notice user <host> has been blacklisted
[01:32] <PriceChild> mneptok: scared we may inadvertantly find out your lair?
[01:33] <LjL> PriceChild: you should see what google earth has become
[01:33] <LjL> i can see my frigging window and it's frigging open
[01:33] <LjL> and my car and the box of tissues in it
[01:33] <PriceChild> haha
[01:33] <PriceChild> you can just about make out the bench outside our back door
[01:33] <PriceChild> on ours
[01:34] <LjL> PriceChild: but have you tried the street view?
[01:34] <PriceChild> is that enabled in the uk now?
[01:34] <mneptok> PriceChild: say you were standing in front of the door to my home, and about to enter. who should have more fear in their heart, you, or me? ;)
[01:34] <LjL> PriceChild: if it is in italy...
[01:34] <PriceChild> LjL: there was lots of people against it in the uk, not sure what happenned with it
[01:34] <LjL> mneptok: i would fear out of sympathy for him
[01:34] <mneptok> LjL: exaaaaactly
[01:36] <mneptok> PriceChild: that is incredibly ironic cosidering the CCTV prevalence in the UK
[01:43] <LjL> while we were all away for summer, the bastards filled the city with cameras
[01:43] <Flannel> LjL: you're the star of your very own* TV show!
[01:43] <Flannel> (* it also belongs to everyone else, no you're not special)
[01:44] <LjL> mneptok: how the hell did you manage to trigger a falso positive now
[01:44] <mneptok> i have *no* idea
[01:44] <mneptok> 21:43 < mneptok> dekkong: yeah. Adobe sure is stupid about that, eh?
[01:44] <mneptok> 21:43 <@PartyBot1> mneptok: Was scheduled for Nov, 01, 06:00, but now that you've asked, it's been delayed by 2 hours
[01:45] <LjL> mneptok: i know. adobe sure IS stupid abOUT that
[01:46] <LjL> sigh
[01:47] <mneptok> hehehe
[01:47] <Flannel> Don't we have a factoid for that?
[01:47] <Flannel> !isitout
[01:47] <Flannel> Nope
[01:48] <LjL> !isitout is <reply> Ask in #ubuntu-release-party - we don't know here
[01:48] <Flannel> ubottu: tell king_ about isitout
[01:50]  * Flannel doesn't even have a witty response to that...
[01:51] <Flannel> 18:50 < kakoonia> where's ubuntu!?!
[01:51] <LjL> you just wait and they make it simpler for you
[01:52] <Flannel> LjL: Nicely put factoid, by the way.
[01:56] <genii> Hello all. Connection may be in and out tonight
[02:04] <LjL> hah i didn't notice the other hidden feature being already randomly triggered
[02:10]  * Flannel did!
[02:44] <genii> Flannel: When #ubuntu+1 goes after release, boy will it be busy
[02:44] <Flannel> genii: I just don't think about it...
[02:45] <Flannel> genii: although 1350 right now is nothing.
[02:45] <genii> Yup
[02:45] <Flannel> -release-party mitigates some of that, but even then, theres only like 150 people in -r-p, so far we've had a pretty slow release.
[02:45]  * Flannel puts on his "I survived 1700 people" pin.
[02:45] <genii> hehe
[02:46] <tritium> Good evening.
[02:46] <Flannel> Howdy tritium
[02:46] <tritium> Hi Flannel :)
[02:47] <Flannel> genii: It's always an interesting estuary after release. old versions mixing with new versions.  All of us having to learn all the new support stuffs for the new versions.
[02:49] <genii> Flannel: My main issue from Kubuntu point of view is the KDE3 vs KDE4 issues
[02:49] <Flannel> genii: yeah, that's going to be .... fun....
[02:49] <Flannel> genii: Luckily, you already have -kde4, so some people have been supporting 4 for a whie
[02:49] <genii> I'm not sure if they will merge #kubuntu-kde4 soon yet or not. I wonder if riddell knows
[02:50] <genii> Flannel: Yes, this is true, since they will be in the merged channel
[02:50] <mneptok> LjL: get yer hand outta the bot's ass!
[02:50]  * mneptok saw that
[02:51] <jdong> 22:51 < shingalated> get a life u fucking frog hopping jungle book
[02:51] <Flannel> LjL: nice.
[02:51] <jdong> do we know this guy?
[02:52] <Flannel> jdong: not in -r-p
[02:52] <Flannel> he's in ubuntuforums
[02:52] <genii> Sounds like an asshole
[02:52] <jdong> right
[02:52] <jdong> he's using random -ing words
[02:52] <jdong> half of them being vulgar.
[02:52] <Flannel> ubottu: tell shingalated about coc
[02:52] <jdong> I'm just amused. this is more fun than doing homework
[02:56] <elky_work> heh, releases. seems to be being pummelled.
[02:56] <elky_work> err, releases.u.c.
[02:56]  * Flannel just wants to know when its released so I can fire up my torrents!
[02:56] <Flannel> Last time they ditched me
[02:57] <elky_work> heh
[02:57] <tritium> elky_work: surely it's not out yet, is it?
[02:57] <Flannel> tritium: is it out/?1?!?!???
[02:57] <elky_work> i dunno
[02:57] <elky_work> im at work
[02:57] <genii> Bah
[02:58] <tritium> Flannel: heh, not that I know of.
[02:59] <tritium> But I know very little ;)
[03:02] <genii> Now I need to know when in my local timezone it works so I can start the seeding also
[03:02] <genii> I may need more coffee tonight ...
[03:02] <tritium> Tim Horton's!
[03:03] <genii> tritium: Damn straight!
[03:03] <tritium> :)
[03:04] <elky_work> just hint, it'll probably be sometime *after* the UK wakes up.
[03:05] <genii> I'm not in #ubuntu-release-party ... do they have some running countdown or so in there?
[03:05] <elky_work> just a*
[03:05] <elky_work> damn eeepv
[03:05] <elky_work> genii, doubt it. more likely a million geeks going 'are we there yet?'
[03:05] <genii> Hehe
[03:15] <mneptok> genii: the countdown timer is actually Steve Langasek's mood ring ;)
[03:16] <genii> Ah, the release manager
[03:21] <tritium> #ubuntu-release-party is a zoo.
[03:22] <nalioth> MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[03:23] <tritium> nalioth: we have no cows at our zoo.
[03:23] <elky_work> no, just buffalo
[03:23] <elky_work> stampeding
[03:24] <Flannel> buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo.
[03:24] <tritium> And wildebeest
[03:24] <genii> I'm tempted now to visit the cow zoo
[03:25] <tritium> genii: would you bring me back a ribeye or New York strip if you go?
[03:26] <genii> tritium: Sure :)
[03:27] <tritium> :)
[03:27] <evand> LjL: Can you please fix the topic in #ubuntu-release-party to not say that the RC is the final release.
[03:28] <Flannel> evand: You can.
[03:29] <genii> tritium: Only elk steaks, unfortunately
[03:30] <tritium> Uh-oh ;)
[03:30] <genii> elkbuntu: Apologies on the mutilation-and-run  :)
[03:32] <tritium> genii: the drive-by butcher
[03:32] <evand> thanks Flannel 
[03:32] <genii> tritium: I thought it might be worth a laugh and I'm not extremely busy 
[03:33] <tritium> genii: :)
[03:33]  * genii slaps a bandaid on elkbuntu
[03:37] <genii> Hehe nice touch, "PartyBot" kudos to whoever is responsible for it
[03:37] <elky_work> evand, the topic in the party channel is open to any cloaked ubuntu member to change. we tend to assume that the members will behave in the channel at release time ;)
[03:38] <elky_work> genii, dont encourage non-official bots. i cannot tell who that one belongs to...
[03:39] <evand> elky_work: ah, noted thanks
[03:39]  * genii sips his coffee and watches the zoo
[03:39] <elky_work> if someone could investigate... it
[03:39] <elky_work> 'd be nice
[03:40] <tritium> It's got an /ubutu/bot hostmask
[03:40] <Flannel> mneptok: deftly played
[03:41] <elky_work> tritium, it wasnt showing up with /wii, and /ns info was dubious. thanks'
[03:41] <mneptok> Flannel: hrm?
[03:41] <mneptok> Flannel: "April?"
[03:41] <Flannel> Aye
[03:41]  * mneptok beams brightly
[03:41] <tritium> elky_work: really?  /wii showed it for me
[03:42]  * genii takes notes
[03:43] <Flannel> elky_work: believe its el jay el
[03:44] <genii> Weird. I wonder what that IP/blacklist it talks about are
[03:45] <Flannel> genii: just fun
[03:45] <genii> Ah
[03:47] <genii> IANA says some possibly forged IP in Brazil, apparently....
[03:53] <elky_work> Flannel, neither /wii or /whois are working for me currently. dunno why
[03:54] <elky_work> now i do. it has a number after it, which i could not see as i am not in -r-p as this nick
[03:56] <Flannel> elky_work: bot rename was to keep floodbots from freaking out
[03:57] <elky_work> Flannel, my telepathy skills are a bit rusty and all ;)
[03:57] <Flannel> elky_work: It's in your scrollback ;)
[03:58] <elky_work> Flannel, bip doesnt scroll back that much for me. i'm not at my laptop. it is 7 suburb east from me.
[03:58] <elky_work> i'm on my eeepc with mobile broadband. excessive scrollback would kill me.
[03:59] <elky_work> and i'm actually supposed to be working.
[03:59] <Flannel> elky_work: Ah, well, there's your problem.  your other-half is in -monitor, and would know that it's in there too.
[03:59] <tritium> elky_work: which model?  How do you like it?
[04:03] <elky_work> tritium, 701. its easier than lugging around a full lappy
[04:03] <tritium> Nice.  :)
[04:04] <genii> Flannel: You cruel so n so ;)
[04:05] <Flannel> genii: How so?
 When is 8.10 due?                  .... <Flannel> : /j #ubuntu-release-party
[04:06] <genii> repeat....
[04:06] <Flannel> genii: nonsense, !isitout is what they get
[04:06] <genii> hehe
[04:07] <genii> I can see now why it's filling up in there
[04:08] <tritium> I'm off to bed, folks.  Party on, Wayne.
[04:08] <Flannel> Party on, tritium
[04:08] <tritium> :)
[04:13] <Flannel> Pretto: How can we help you?
[04:13] <Pretto> Flannel, people are saying  that are not  able to access www.ubuntu.com
[04:14] <Flannel> Pretto: Thats because its down due to heavy load
[04:14] <nalioth> Pretto: i'm sure the servers are taking a beating
[04:15] <genii> I wonder if ubuntu sets download records. Like what mozilla was trying for
[04:15] <Flannel> genii: Hopefully the majority of downloads are torrents
[04:15] <Pretto> nalioth, but just from Brazil? people from outside Brazil told me that everything is ok
[04:15] <Flannel> freetown: How can we help you?
[04:15] <genii> Flannel: Yes
[04:16] <freetown> hmm....i thought this channel was something else. sorry.
[04:17] <Pretto> talking about torrent, one guy on #ubuntu-br is donating  200gb to seed Ibex  for download
[04:29] <Flannel> thoreauputic: Whether they ask in -r-p isn't really important.  No "business" is going on in that channel, just silliness.  Telling them to ask is better than telling them to go somewhere and sit.
[04:29] <thoreauputic> Flannel: yeah I guess so
[04:29] <thoreauputic> Flannel: no big deal :)
[04:32] <genii> Pretto: Need bandwidth more than space
[04:32] <Pretto> genii, that's about bandwidth
[04:33] <elky_work> remind me to rally the linode peeps when i get home
[04:34] <genii> Pretto: Find out then what kind of pipe he claims he has that does 200Gb/s
[04:35] <Pretto> genii, he is away now... he is a freenode staff
[04:36] <genii> Sounds suspiciously convenient :)
[04:36] <Pretto> :]
[04:43] <LIRC73> why do i keep getting redirected here?
[04:46] <Flannel> LIRC73: Lets take a look
[04:46] <LIRC73> how come i cant join #Ubuntu?
[04:47] <LIRC73> omg
[04:47] <Flannel> LIRC73: Calm down
[04:47] <Flannel> Or, ignore me.
[04:49]  * genii takes bets on LIRC73's next appearance
[04:49] <bazhang> wow. u-r-p is rough
[04:54] <elky_work> bazhang, imagine that in #ubuntu.
[04:54] <elky_work> you may need counselling afterwards though
[04:55] <bazhang> elky_work, haha
[04:56] <bazhang> reminds me of ##politics
[05:02] <Flannel> Well, I enjoy the rickroll evand, but the fact that you claim its out is bad.
[05:03] <evand> ok, I'll change it to just say 8.10!
[05:04] <Flannel> evand: much better
[05:18] <wgrant> #u-r-p is getting bad already.
[05:18] <wgrant> Surprising.
[05:21] <elky_work> wgrant, its going to be a fairly trolly release. theres not much visually different, which always brings out the trolls
[05:21] <wgrant> Oh yes.
[05:21] <wgrant> We've seen a fair bit of that already.
[05:23] <wgrant> Am I to presume the bad spelling in the topic is deliberate and dangerous?
[05:24] <jdong> wgrant: click it.
[05:24] <jdong> wgrant: you know you want to.
[05:24] <bazhang> haha
[05:24]  * jdong wonders what his punishment will be
[05:24]  * wgrant is not quite that stupid.
[05:24] <jdong> wgrant: you'll find it funny
[05:25] <Flannel> wgrant: its +1
[05:27]  * genii gets rick-rolled
[05:28] <genii> %*&%#@# !!!
[05:28] <wgrant> As I suspected.
[05:28] <genii> Sneaky
[05:28] <Flannel> wgrant: well, you know... the Ibex is never going to give you up, never going to let you down.
[05:28] <wgrant> But it has more issues than Edgy!
[05:40] <thoreauputic> wgrant: is that possible?
[05:40] <wgrant> thoreauputic: #u-r-p says so, so it must be.
[05:41] <thoreauputic> heh
[05:41] <wgrant> But I think Edgy wins over everything. Except perhaps WinME.
[05:45] <genii> That guy asking someone to query why he's banned in #remote-exploit is in #kubuntu now doing same crap. Just gave warning now
[05:47] <genii> bot is telling me I need to be op to kick him
[05:48] <genii> Apparently /msg chanserv op #kubuntu genii  no-go
[05:48] <genii> Someone boot him please
[05:48] <Flannel> Wait, why is ubot3 in -r-p?
[05:48] <Flannel> hah
[05:48] <wgrant> That's actually not too far from the truth...
[05:49] <genii> @login
[05:49] <genii> Am required @login this channel only?
[05:50] <Flannel> genii: just to edit factoids
[05:50] <genii> Hm
[05:50] <Flannel> or rather, to be recognized by ubottu
[05:50] <Flannel> genii: are you identified?
[05:50] <nalioth> Want to see if someone is identified to services at a glance?  http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#spoofing Flannel 
[05:50] <Flannel> nalioth: I know I can /wii them
[05:50] <genii> Flannel: Yes, I'm identified
[05:51] <Flannel> hmm
[05:51] <Flannel> genii: Youre on access list for #k.  That's odd.
[05:52] <genii> Flannel: is correct syntax?      /msg chanserv op #kubuntu genii                 ?
[05:52] <genii> (this is the first time I needed to use it)
[05:53] <Flannel> genii: no genii at the end, just op #kubuntu
[05:53] <Flannel> (/msg chanserv + that, of course)
[05:53] <genii> OK. I'll test now
[05:54] <genii> Works now
[05:55] <genii> I'll change the command alias
[05:56] <genii> Done
[05:57] <genii> @btlogin
[05:57] <genii> bah
[06:06] <genii> Interesting. How is it in bantracker it shows my failed attempt to op myself?
[06:08] <genii> (in the log details)
[06:09] <Flannel> genii: which ban?
[06:10] <Flannel> oh the @login stuff?
[06:11] <genii> Flannel: Riddell banned the fellow which was going on about his #remote-exploit ban (in #ubuntu then in #kubuntu)   
[06:11] <genii> Flannel: "theUnBanned"
[06:11] <genii> Ironically
[06:11] <Flannel> genii: right, I saw it. You're referring to your !login/@login?
[06:12] <genii> Flannel: No. I'm referring to line in log of: 2008-10-30T05:46:45 <genii> /msg chanserv op #kubuntu genii
[06:12] <Flannel> Oh, added a space? ;)
[06:13] <genii> Flannel: I had my name at the end which was the bad syntax. But I'm curious that chanserv messages get into the log
[06:13] <Flannel> genii: Nah, thats not a chanserv message
[06:13] <Flannel> you did something like this (with a space in front of the /)
[06:14] <Flannel>  /msg chanserv op #foobar
[06:14] <genii> Flannel: Should it not have been a PM from me to chanserv?
[06:14] <Flannel> so the message was sent to the channel accidentally
[06:14] <genii> Hah, OK
[06:15] <genii> My curiosity is satisfied then
[06:15] <genii> Flannel: Thanks for the explanation
[06:23] <wgrant> Who is puppeting the no-longer-FloodBot?
[06:24] <Flannel> wgrant: no one
[06:26] <wgrant> It just randomly shouts ITS OUT!!! at opportune times?
[06:26] <Flannel> wgrant: mhmmm.  And then immediately rescinds its statement.  And also reminds people who say its out that it's not.
[06:26] <Flannel> wgrant: It also did an "RSS" feed earlier that said it was delayed indefinately.
[06:27] <wgrant> Flannel: I know, but I wondered if it did that automagically or if the spontaneous statements were human.
[06:27] <Flannel> wgrant: Believe theyre automagical.  PartyBot is omniscient and everything.
[06:29] <genii> All hail PartyBot!
[06:37] <wgrant> It is being delayed nice and quickly.
[07:06]  * wgrant lurves PartyBot1
[07:07] <Flannel> b0rked doesn't get back in.
[07:07] <Flannel> er, bOrk3d
[07:09]  * wgrant agrees fully.
[07:11] <genii> Flannel: I guess whatever my 6.06 boxes are running is latest, I have upgrade/reboot on a cronjob every 7 days
[07:11] <Flannel> genii: lsb_release -a shows .2 ;)
[07:14] <elkbuntu> note the visitor to -proxy-users
[07:14] <Flannel> elkbuntu: Not in there, whoissit?
 !TOR-GPG
[07:15] <elkbuntu> * afdadsfadsf (i=Administ@gateway/tor/x-cf15bf815aaeb592) has joined #ubuntu-proxy-users
[07:16] <elkbuntu> if ever there is a time to be worried about shell and proxy users, it;s now
[07:20] <wgrant> Flannel: I hope you realisee that that fake RSS item isn't too far from the truth...
[07:20] <Flannel> wgrant: Those are random, not me.
[07:20] <wgrant> I thought you owned it.
[07:21] <Flannel> ell jay ell is running it, and set up said random announcement things.
[07:22] <genii> hehe perscitus is letting the bot get to him
[07:23] <genii> Flannel: ether_c did the evil not-to-be-done thing again
[07:23] <Flannel> What the hell is wrong with people
[07:23] <genii> Everything, apparently
[07:23]  * wgrant needs ot set up an alias.
[07:25] <genii> I wonder if anyone's keeping tabs on how many got rick-rolled so far
[08:15] <Gary> LjL: :'(  I get all the blame
[08:19] <elkbuntu> only because it's so funny
[08:20]  * wgrant fuels the fire.
[08:24] <genii> Geez. 4:23am locally.
[08:24] <wgrant> genii: sleep!
[08:24] <genii> wgrant: I'm stubborn :)
[08:24] <wgrant> From what I hear, I might be in for a very late night tonight.
[08:24] <genii> And overcaffeinated
[08:41] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[08:41] <jussi01> wgrant: where are you located again?
[08:41] <wgrant> jussi01: Sarcasm?
[08:41] <jussi01> wgrant: no, why?
[08:42] <wgrant> Oh, I just thought you might be commenting on the fact that I mentioned it twice in 5 minutes.
[08:42] <wgrant> Melbourne, AU
[08:42] <jussi01> wgrant: hehe, wasnt really looking. 
[08:42] <jussi01> wgrant: anyway, care for a beer/coffee/milkshake in a couple of weeks?
[08:43] <wgrant> jussi01: As long as I don't have to fly to .fi!
[08:43] <jussi01> Ill be in Melbourne/Geelong area for a few weeks soonish
[08:43] <wgrant> Aha. Sounds good.
[08:43] <jussi01> :)
[08:45] <wgrant> A little odd that I'll be meeting other significant Ubuntu people three times in the rest of this year when I've not met any others before...
[08:45] <jussi01> lol
[08:46] <wgrant> You're coming soon, then I'm going to UDS, then Nafallo is coming in the rest of December.
[08:47] <jussi01> wgrant: Im likely to be there middle of the month
[08:47] <Myrtti> *sniffles*
[08:47] <wgrant> jussi01: Middle of which month?
[08:47] <wgrant> Myrtti: Hmmm?
[08:47]  * jussi01 huggles Myrtti
[08:47] <jussi01> wgrant: novemeber, until start of december
[08:47] <wgrant> jussi01: Aha, excellent.
[08:47] <jussi01> ~14th nov - ~ 6th dec
[08:47] <ubot3> jussi01: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[08:47] <jussi01> sigh
[08:48] <wgrant> Are you going to UDS, or is the departure date a nice coincidence?
[08:48] <jussi01> sadly no...
[08:49] <wgrant> I depart earlyish on the 7th.
[08:49] <wgrant> :(
[08:49] <genii-2> Bah
[08:51] <wgrant> jussi01: I'm only 17, so somewhat too young for a beer, but other stuff sounds good!
[08:52] <jussi01> wgrant: yeah, I thought that was the case :)
[08:52]  * jussi01 buys wgrant an illegal beer :P
[08:52] <wgrant> Heh.
[08:56]  * genii sips
[08:59] <elkbuntu> does vic not partake in the 'one standard drink under adult supervision' thing?
[08:59] <elkbuntu> or is that phased out now?
[08:59] <wgrant> Under parental supervision it's fine.
[08:59] <jussi01> elkbuntu: Ive never seen that...
[08:59] <elkbuntu> wgrant, who is to say jussi01 isnt your dad.
[08:59] <wgrant> I think.
[08:59] <wgrant> Heh.
[09:00] <elkbuntu> jussi01, it's not really known, and many restaurants refuse outright.
[09:00] <jussi01> elkbuntu: err... the fact if I shave I look about 2 years older than him?
[09:00] <elkbuntu> lol
[09:01] <wgrant> Lots of licensed venues do refuse to let minors drink even under adult supervision, I believe.
[09:01] <genii> Well, entropy wins. LAters
[09:01] <wgrant> But I can't say I've tried.
[09:02] <jussi01> wgrant: we can just buy a slab and drink it in the park :P
[09:02] <wgrant> Hah.
[09:02] <elkbuntu> you can take the aussie out of australia...
[09:03] <jussi01> hehe
[09:03] <wgrant> #u-r-p has slowed down a bit now.
[09:05] <Myrtti> jussi01: you look older than wgrant if you shave? how old is wgrant? 15?
[09:05] <elkbuntu> wgrant, the eye of the storm.
[09:05] <wgrant> Hahah.
[09:05] <Myrtti> it's not reassuring
[09:05] <Myrtti> wgrant: 13?
[09:05] <wgrant> Myrtti: 17, but close enough...
[09:05] <Myrtti> right
[09:05] <Myrtti> yeah.
[09:05] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, you're the only one here who knows what jussi looks like
[09:07] <Myrtti> First time I saw him, he was wearing Ubuntu Studio hoodie and a bit bagging jeans, and when he walked, I thought in my head "well, he certainly walks relaxed, I wonder if that's something Australian..."
[09:07] <wgrant> ... I see.
[09:07] <Myrtti> so saying jussi01 looks two years older than anyone in liaison of needing "an older, trustworthy, guarding person"...
[09:07] <Myrtti> NOT ASSURING!
[09:08] <jussi01> heheh
[09:09] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: Australians are world champion lamp-post leaners - don't know about relaxed walks
[09:09] <wgrant> AHHH! Another Australian. Run.
[09:09] <jussi01> hehe
[09:10]  * thoreauputic pulls out the Vegemite jar and threatens everyone with a sandwich
[09:10] <thoreauputic> mwuhahah!
[09:10]  * wgrant lurves Vegemite.
[09:10]  * wgrant doesn't lurve the lag.
[09:10] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: here in Finland we have special kind of shovels for you then
[09:11] <jussi01> any UK-ites here?
[09:11] <Myrtti> the handle stick is replaced with chain
[09:13] <PriceChild> jussi01: depends
[09:14]  * thoreauputic is trying to work out why suddenly xchat is beeping on every keystroke
[09:14] <thoreauputic> :/
[09:14] <wgrant> sudo rmmod pcspkr!
[09:14] <thoreauputic> wgrant: no happening in irssi or anywhere else...
[09:15] <thoreauputic> *not
[09:15] <jussi01> PriceChild: can you link me/tell me the price of taking a train/bus from manchester to heathrow?
[09:15] <PriceChild> jussi01: http://www.thetrainline.com
[09:16] <PriceChild> jussi01: http://www.nationalexpress.com/coach/index.cfm
[09:16] <PriceChild> 'depends' :P
[09:16] <jussi01> PriceChild: many thanks :D
[09:16] <PriceChild> but i would go by train
[09:16] <PriceChild> not my fault if you don't get a seat though 8-)
[09:17] <jussi01> bleh, maybe I should just fly...
[09:17] <PriceChild> jussi01: think of the planet!
[09:18] <PriceChild> lots of canonical types poping in
[09:19] <Myrtti> I was going to lart jussi01 for considering domestic flights. Then I remembered he has lived in Oulu. Carry on.
[09:19] <jussi01> hehe
[09:19] <PriceChild> it'll be a lot lot cheaper to just go by train
[09:19] <PriceChild> probably even cheaper for coach, but that'll take much longer
[09:20] <jussi01> hrm, 36£
[09:20] <jussi01> I should just thumb a lift :P
[09:20] <PriceChild> walk?!
[09:21] <jussi01> PriceChild: nah... bit far to be honest...
[09:21] <jussi01> :P
[09:44] <wgrant> christel: I hear that you k-lined kahrytan some time ago, and that I should report to you that he's using tor, under a different nick, in #ubuntu-release-party, saying that he's avoiding nalioth.
[09:44]  * Hobbsee waves
[09:45] <ikonia> hello Hobbsee 
[09:45] <Hobbsee> ikonia: ready for release?
[09:45] <ikonia> I am now
[09:46] <Hobbsee> woot!
[09:46] <ikonia> you seem in fine form
[09:46] <ikonia> wgrant: he was on the last few days being quiet - I gave him a nal a nudge on it too
[09:47] <christel> wgrant: well, id need a nick :P
[09:47] <Hobbsee> ikonia: yeah - started an assignment today, and finished it.
[09:47] <wgrant> christel: Erk, sorry, perscitus. PriceChild seems to be looking at it.
[09:49] <Hobbsee> may well make sense to op the developers in #u-r-p, too, btw.
[09:49] <Hobbsee> + clueful people
[09:50] <wgrant> Hobbsee: ubuntu/member/* is oppable.
[09:50] <Hobbsee> wgrant: that's true, but most of them won't know they can.
[09:52] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, having $number_of_developers in the flags list isnt going to make them any wiser
[09:52] <Seeker`> hows it going?
[09:53] <elkbuntu> wgrant, under what nick?
[09:54] <wgrant> elkbuntu: perscitus
[09:54] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i don't know about that - i've previously found it was quite effective
[09:54] <PriceChild> is the channel in a bad state atm? not sure its needed
[09:54] <wgrant> It's not too bad now.
[09:54] <wgrant> It was worse earlier, and will deteriorate eventually.
[09:59]  * thoreauputic thinks the appearance of lots of ops in #u-r-p near release heightens the atmosphere (just a fun thing)
[10:00] <Hobbsee> thoreauputic: yeah, that too
[10:01] <Hobbsee> gives the perception of 'important people' being there enjoying it with them
[10:01] <Hobbsee> and seemsto make them a bit less unruly, as people (afaihs) listen to what they say, so cuts down on misinformation
[10:02] <Seeker`> or just voice the important people
[10:02] <wgrant> Keeping real people voiced might work.
[10:03] <Seeker`> makes a difference between "important people" and "people who want to kick us out"
[10:03]  * Hobbsee shrugs
[10:03] <Hobbsee> possibly
[10:04] <PriceChild> perhaps
[10:04] <PriceChild> i'm off to work soon so ignore me, i most likely won't be here
[10:04] <thoreauputic> Seeker`: a bit of Fear and Apprehension doesn't hurt  :) Ubuntu doesn't mean "walk on eggshells and don't upset the punters"
[10:05]  * thoreauputic is maybe a bit BOFHish :)
[10:09] <elkbuntu> only maybe?
[10:09] <elkbuntu> getting soft in your old age?
[10:09] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: Watch your step... 
[10:10] <thoreauputic> *g*
[10:10] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: I always was a softy really :)
[10:12] <thoreauputic> just think there's a bit too much "Oh, that's not really 'ubuntu'" - #ubuntu in 2004-6 had some funny and tough ops who were not ashamed to be a bit sarcastic at times
[10:14] <elkbuntu> hehe
[10:14] <elkbuntu> yeah. it was possible with a smaller non-mainstream group
[10:14] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: Nostalgia ain't what it used to be...
[10:15] <elkbuntu> hehe
[10:15] <elkbuntu> you always were an ironic one
[10:16] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: re: "amller no-mainstream group" ..."no, I think that's an error - people should learn the 'culture" otherwise we are producing a bunch of sponges instead of a set of clueful users
[10:17] <ikonia> can someoen get a grip in release-party
[10:17] <ikonia> it's a joke
[10:18] <wgrant> Erm, a fake PartyBot2?
[10:18] <wgrant> ikonia: What do you mean?
[10:19] <ikonia> fake party bot, morons just doing it's out it's out it's out to provoke the bot
[10:19] <wgrant> Warning time.
[10:19] <wgrant> It's not at all bad now.
[10:19] <ikonia> it's a joke
[10:20] <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, i know plenty of clued users who dont get the culture
[10:20] <thoreauputic> ikonia: this looks like normal release behaviour in u-r-p to me
[10:21] <ikonia> I see no point in encouraging this behaviour / allowing it happen
[10:21] <wgrant> ikonia: Have you attended many instances of the release in #u-r-p before?
[10:21] <thoreauputic> ikonia: It's called harmless fun I believe
[10:21] <thoreauputic> ikonia: relax
[10:21] <ikonia> wgrant: I've popped in and out
[10:22] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: what I meant is that people should understand the "tough love" aspect of the culture
[10:23] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: in other words, if we are always nice and polite a lot of people take advantage
[10:23] <ikonia> thoreauputic: thats a tough line to walk 
[10:23] <ikonia> thoreauputic: either side of it is disaster
[10:23] <thoreauputic> ikonia: rubbish
[10:23] <elkbuntu> agreed
[10:23] <ikonia> too soft and people take advantage as you said, too hard and people don't want to talk 
[10:24] <ikonia> either way can be a disaster for a community or project
[10:24] <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, the tough love culture lives with debian, as far as i'm concerned.
[10:24]  * Hobbsee notes #u-r-p is not normal, and people go back to being sane.
[10:24] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, you mean 'saner'
[10:25] <thoreauputic> ikonia: I learnt more in #debian than anywhere - and it didn't kill me to be larted when I was silly/getting it wrong
[10:25] <ikonia> elkbuntu: there is room for a tougher stance, eg: how many chances do X ammount of people get on IRC (just an easy example)
[10:25] <ikonia> thoreauputic: and thats one of the positive aspects because of your personality/approach
[10:25] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: well, comparatively sane
[10:25] <elkbuntu> ikonia, we're forced to be kinder than we ought to. yes. but going completely tough-love is not what ubuntu does best
[10:26] <thoreauputic> ikonia: I agree that people should not be kicked without adequate warnings etc, of course
[10:26] <ikonia> elkbuntu and I agree on that, I wasn't suggesting tough love
[10:26] <ikonia> thoreauputic but there should be a line, yes
[10:26] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: I'm not suggesting that extreme
[10:26] <jussi01> thoreauputic: thing is, the mainstream culture we have now is different to when you were cutting your teeth with debian. 
[10:26] <elkbuntu> there is a line, and we're constantly tight-roping it
[10:26] <thoreauputic> juliux: that's true too
[10:26] <jussi01> poor juliux
[10:27] <ikonia> jussi01 some wasy for the better, others a real loss
[10:27] <thoreauputic> umm jussi01 
[10:27] <thoreauputic> sorry juliux :)
[10:28] <jussi01> ikonia: true, but we cant just go back to the "good old days" now because it doesnt work like that in a more mainstream type culture, as we have here. 
[10:28] <ikonia> jussi01: not suggesting we should go back
[10:28] <ikonia> its a testiment to how far the software has come that the community has changed
[10:28] <elkbuntu> i think there's some general misdirection of reply here...
[10:29]  * thoreauputic thinks it's amusing to be advocating "tougher" when his historical record as an op contains very few bans :)
[10:30] <jussi01> hehe
[10:30]  * jussi01 huggles thoreauputic
[10:30] <thoreauputic> I'm more about allowing slightly sardonic comment etc.
[10:30] <thoreauputic> without being called for being "rude"
[10:31] <thoreauputic> and yes, I'm aware of international cultural differences
[10:31] <thoreauputic> jut to fend that one off  before it surfaces :)
[10:31] <thoreauputic> *just
[10:32] <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, you were not usually the wielder of the banstick, just the bait.
[10:33] <thoreauputic> bait?
[10:33] <thoreauputic> ah, I suppose you mean I did the warning and others did the ban - often true
[10:34]  * thoreauputic has been occupied with other projects lately
[10:36] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: The user base has changed a lot - #ubuntu can be a frustrating place to be these days for an Old School type ;-)
[10:37] <skenderbeu> is the ubuntu released>?
[10:37] <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, i'm not as old school as you, and it frustrates me
[10:37] <elkbuntu> skenderbeu, no.
[10:37] <thoreauputic> ...
[10:37] <elkbuntu> skenderbeu, this isnt a place to ask either
[10:37] <skenderbeu> where can i ask?
[10:37] <Myrtti> skenderbeu: anything else we can help you with?
[10:37] <Myrtti> skenderbeu: erm. you can ask
[10:37] <Myrtti> you don't get an answer though
[10:38] <jussi01> skenderbeu: #ubuntu-release-party
[10:39] <jussi01> !idle | skenderbeu
[10:41] <juliux> thoreauputic: never mind you are not the first person;)
[10:41] <thoreauputic> juliux: :)
[10:44] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: My INX project is about getting newer people excited with what can be done in CLI or with Bash, so in a way it's a continuation of my previous support efforts in #ubuntu etc.
[10:44] <thoreauputic> i.e. bridging the gap for GUI Babes ;p
[10:44] <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, :)
[10:45] <Myrtti> skenderbeu: hello, I can see in your idle time that you're active
[10:45] <Myrtti> skenderbeu: do you have any other questions?
[10:45] <Myrtti> skenderbeu: if not, please leave the channel
[10:46] <skenderbeu> what do you mean? iam not active
[10:46] <Myrtti> you are chatting on other channels
[10:46] <Myrtti> or with other people
[10:47] <thoreauputic> skenderbeu: you are idling here - Myrtti is asking you politely not to do so
[10:47] <skenderbeu> i don't understand
[10:47] <Myrtti> !idle
[10:47] <Myrtti> skenderbeu: again, do you have any other questions?
[10:47] <skenderbeu> no
[10:48] <skenderbeu> why?
[10:48] <thoreauputic> skenderbeu: it would be preferable if you left - it might upset you to be removed :)
[10:48] <Myrtti> that took a while
[10:48] <thoreauputic> yes
[10:48] <elkbuntu> excited kids can be hard to communicate with
[10:48] <Myrtti> I still haven't recovered from the release party year ago
[10:49] <elkbuntu> haha
[10:54] <wgrant> Are .pool URLs immediately removable offences now?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> yes.
[10:58] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: brief pm OK ?
[10:58] <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, sure
[10:59]  * Hobbsee gets otu the stick
[10:59] <ikonia> where ?
[11:00] <Hobbsee> #u-r-p
[11:00] <ikonia> enjoy
[11:00] <ikonia> you'll ware it out
[11:01] <Hobbsee> it shouldn't be forever longer anyway
[11:05] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-release-party, Hobbsee said: !norelease is <reply> The release manager saw his shadow and went back into his burrow, so we'll have six more weeks of Intrepid
[11:06] <Hobbsee> can someone add that please?
[11:07] <elkbuntu> of or until?
[11:07] <Hobbsee> eparse?
[11:07] <elkbuntu> well, we dont have intrepid yet, how could we have 6 more weeks of it?
[11:07] <Hobbsee> oh.  and that should read Hardy.
[11:08] <Hobbsee> clearly the RM is confused.
[11:11] <ikonia> prinipal was funny, I hear bull murrays voice
[11:12] <ikonia> principal even
[11:13] <Myrtti> @login
[11:14] <Myrtti> !norelease is <reply> The release manager saw his shadow and went back into his burrow, so we'll have six more weeks of Hardy.
[11:14] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: except that ubot3 seems to be what's in #u-r-p
[11:14] <Myrtti> ubot3: !norelease is <reply> The release manager saw his shadow and went back into his burrow, so we'll have six more weeks of Hardy.
[11:14] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-ops, Myrtti said: ubot3: !norelease is <reply> The release manager saw his shadow and went back into his burrow, so we'll have six more weeks of Hardy.
[11:14] <Myrtti> right
[11:14] <Myrtti> oh well
[11:29] <elkbuntu> oh dear. -ot has become pppoe_dude's favourite dating helpline again
[11:29] <wgrant> Oh, he's still around?
[11:29] <Myrtti> sure he is
[11:29] <wgrant> I remember him doing that a long time ago.
[11:30] <Hobbsee> oh dear
[11:30] <elkbuntu> wgrant, some things never change.
[11:30] <elkbuntu> at least we dont have yipe preying on everything that could possibly resemble a female anymore.
[11:31] <Gary> ooo back in the days
[11:40] <Mez> elkbuntu: I remember him. Apparentlymy nick is very feminine ...
[11:41] <Gary> hawt
[11:41] <elkbuntu> Mez, it kind of is. especially considering i've known girls to go by it.
[11:42] <Gary> doesn't help that you look femine too /me hides
[11:42]  * Myrtti goes to put on her SuSE shirt and burps
[11:42]  * Gary hugs Mez 
[11:43] <Myrtti> grouphug!
[11:43] <Mez> elkbuntu: indeed, so do I - she's known as female MEz
[11:44] <elkbuntu> heh
[11:45] <Mez> Lol, there's actually 3 Mez's in my drinking buddies crowd.
[11:45] <Mez> Me, Fake Mez, and Female Mez
[11:49] <elkbuntu> you poms are weird. i've yet to meet a male mez
[11:50] <ikonia> poms
[11:50] <ikonia> ha ha
[11:51]  * Myrtti rolls her eyes
[11:51] <elkbuntu> ikonia, it's the true aussie way to refer to you people.
[11:52] <Gary> "you people"
[11:54] <elkbuntu> is kah ban-evading yet again?
[11:54] <elkbuntu> i mean, his ident was kahrytan before, now it's perwhatever
[11:55] <ikonia> elkbuntu: I think this is the line thoreauputic was talking about
[11:56] <elkbuntu> ikonia, -party is made to go to hell. staff have taken over playing whack-a-mole with him.
[11:56] <ikonia> yeah I saw the k-line cross-hair hit and miss a few times
[11:57] <ikonia> elkbuntu: I think the "made to get to hell" is the bit I miss out on, I just don't get that,
[11:57] <elkbuntu> ikonia, they'd do it somewhere else, if they couldnt do it in -party. that somewhere else would be #ubuntu
[11:57] <ikonia> I do see that point, 
[11:58] <elkbuntu> the whole point of -party is to avoid having #ubuntu disrupted.
[11:58] <elkbuntu> there was really no other point.
[11:58] <elkbuntu> the party is the bait, not the purpose.
[11:59] <thoreauputic> that seems to be working quite well actually
[11:59] <wgrant> It does.
[12:00] <ikonia> I think it best I part the channel soon as I don't get it or get any value
[12:00] <ikonia> wgrant: seems to be doing a nice job of "hosting"
[12:01] <thoreauputic> ikonia: u-r-p is valueless from a content viewpoint, for sure :)
[12:02] <wgrant> It is mildly amusing and depressing at times.
[12:02] <thoreauputic> ikonia: it's kind of fun to watch the chan scroll madly when the real announcement happens though :)
[12:02] <ikonia> wgrant I like you as a compare then
[12:02] <ikonia> thoreauputic: I was watching to see if there was any geuine discussion about the release or what people thought........I was wrong
[12:02] <wgrant> for a few minutes after the announcement it is just... insane.
[12:02] <wgrant> ikonia: There never is.
[12:03] <thoreauputic> ikonia: there never is...
[12:03] <wgrant> That's not the purpose of the channel, and it never works like that.
[12:03] <thoreauputic> wgrant: snap :)
[12:03] <Myrtti> thought of the moment: coffee + medication to the point my pee glows in the dark = happiness
[12:03] <ikonia> I see that
[12:03] <thoreauputic> wgrant: well you beat me to it :)
[12:03] <wgrant> Myrtti: Um, riiight.
[12:03] <Myrtti> painkillers ♥ 
[12:06] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, taking vit b tabs?
[12:06] <Myrtti> those too
[12:06] <elkbuntu> that's what's making your pee fluro
[12:06] <Myrtti> and c, and d, and a. and omega 3 and 6, and magnesium, and calcium.
[12:06] <elkbuntu> i take multivit and glucosamine
[12:07] <Myrtti> what's troublesome is that even when I'm taking vit b... my lips just chapped.
[12:07] <Myrtti> :-(
[12:07] <elkbuntu> you need liberal application of vit e
[12:11] <bazhang> nice
[12:15] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: maybe it needs a minute silence, with announcements that saying tha tit's out, when it's not, are not on.
[12:16] <elkbuntu> hehehe
[12:16] <Myrtti> tit's out <-- BAD TYPO
[12:16] <elkbuntu> yeah. lets see how far peter crying wolf can go
[12:17] <Myrtti> hobbsee saying that to elkbuntu made my head go WOOOOOOOTTTTT?!?!?!?!!!!
[12:17] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:24] <Pici> :o
[12:31] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, ok for me to clear the party ban list?
[12:32] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: not sure. Probably.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> depends if htey'll start spreading misinformation and such again
[12:32] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, in which case they go again.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> right
[12:36] <Myrtti> isitout! ISITOUTYET!?!
[12:36] <Pici> !isitout | Myrtti 
[12:37] <Myrtti> oh. I was just thinking if your clearing the party ban list...
[12:37] <Myrtti> I don't care really
[12:37] <Pici> Myrtti: I know ;)
[12:49] <Myrtti> MOAR COFFEE
[12:50] <Gary> NO MILK :'(
[12:50]  * Mez hands Myrtti the coffee beans he has in his cupboard but doesnt use
[12:50] <Mez> (chocolate coated)
[12:50] <pleia2> Myrtti: you get no cookies for tweeting blog entries that contain your tweets :(
[12:50] <Myrtti> NOMNOMNOM
[12:50] <Myrtti> CHOCOLATE
[12:50] <Mez> I think I inherited them from Rob...
[12:51] <jrib> LjL: make partybot ignore ubot3 please :)
[12:51] <Myrtti> pleia2: I've been planning to work on that, but work has gotten in the way
[12:51] <pleia2> work--
[12:54]  * jrib waits for email
[12:55]  * Mez sends jrib some spam
[12:56] <Myrtti> pleia2: it sucks really badly. I'm having a friend over starting tomorrow for a week, and I haven't had a chance to do my laundry of last month nor to clean the place.
[12:57] <Pici> I don't think I own a month's worth of clothes.
[12:57] <Myrtti> ah, but you don't work at home.
[12:57] <Myrtti> I can work buck nekkid in bed if I want to.
[12:58] <Mez> Myrtti: hopefully, so can I soon *crosses fingers and pokes gregoire/fabien*
[12:58] <pleia2> Myrtti: meep :\
[12:59]  * pleia2 looks at basket of laundry next to her desk
[12:59] <pleia2> should do that today
[12:59]  * Mez ju8st did a wash
[12:59] <Mez> got more than I remember
[12:59] <Mez> but I generally have to do a wash every 2 days (cause work havent given me enough shirts!)
[13:00]  * Mez gets home, wears a clean set of cloths for ~3 hours, then dumps it in wash and gets into uniform :)
[13:00] <elkbuntu> you have a uniform? lol
[13:00] <elkbuntu> i thought you were a codemonkey
[13:00] <Mez> yeah - I'm not working in IT atm, am working in the gaming industry while finishing my degree
[13:01] <elkbuntu> by 'the gaming industry' you mean at a games shop?
[13:01] <Mez> no, a casino
[13:01] <elkbuntu> ah
[13:02] <Pici> Mez: hit me
[13:02]  * Mez jumps into bed for an hour to play guitar hero
[13:02] <Mez> Pici: We're not allowed to hit our customers, would you like a card?
[13:02] <Mez> (my standard reply to ANYONE who says that to me)
[13:04] <Pici> Mez: awww
[13:17] <bazhang> tempting
[13:20] <Hobbsee> a highlight on http:// would certainly be a decent idea, methinks.
[13:22] <bazhang> what is mode z?
[13:22] <Pici> bazhang: Allows ops to see muted people
[13:23] <bazhang> ah thanks Pici 
[13:23] <Pici> bazhang: also, they don't get the 'cannot send to channel' message
[13:23] <bazhang> ouch
[13:24] <Myrtti> Martiini is about to be kicked from -ot
[13:24] <Pici> As he should
[13:24] <Pici> Hes a troll
[13:24] <Myrtti> I'll take personal pride in handling it
[13:24] <Myrtti> he's also stalking me
[13:24] <Myrtti> so.
[13:24] <bazhang> really?
[13:24] <bazhang> is that Martiini?
[13:24] <Pici> Are we dealing with urp bans at all today?
[13:27] <Hobbsee> yeah
[13:27] <Hobbsee> well, no
[13:27] <Myrtti> you ban
[13:27] <Myrtti> you deal with them on Monday
[13:27] <Myrtti> next question
[13:27] <Hobbsee> i presume they'll release before the entire list gets used up
[13:28] <Hobbsee> was planning to clear them in one swoop
[13:28] <LjL> it's worse than the last time or is just my on-join impression
[13:29] <bazhang> its worse
[13:29] <bazhang> much
[13:29] <Myrtti> hello nasser 
[13:29] <Myrtti> how can we help you today?
[13:29] <bazhang> now #u is like u-r-p
[13:29] <nasser> hello 2
[13:29] <nasser> Cannot join #ubuntu-release-party (You are banned).
[13:30] <Myrtti> "oops"
[13:30] <nasser> who can remove the ban
[13:30] <Myrtti> what did you do!
[13:30] <Hobbsee> posted a link, and disobeyed the /topic.
[13:30] <Myrtti> oh DEAR!
[13:30] <nasser> I port this link http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/
[13:30] <Myrtti> naughty
[13:30] <nasser> port = post
[13:30] <Myrtti> tut-tut
[13:31] <Myrtti> it's not released yet!
[13:31] <Myrtti> (is it?)
[13:31] <Myrtti> it's not.
[13:31] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: no, it's not, and some people can't be bothered to read and obey the topic, so aren't welcome in the channel.
[13:32] <nasser> still banned
[13:32] <Myrtti> OOPS.
[13:33] <Myrtti> nasser: so please
[13:33] <nasser> I want to join ;\
[13:33] <Myrtti> nasser: tell me what you did wrong, and what have you done to assure us you will not repeat your error? or did you just assume that we'd remove the ban just like that?
[13:33] <Myrtti> not that we will...
[13:34] <nasser> I just posted link
[13:34] <Myrtti> yes? and didn't read the topic?
[13:34] <nasser> yes ...
[13:34] <bazhang> nasser, and you were posting in #ubuntu
[13:34] <Myrtti> "ooops"
[13:34] <bazhang> nasser, dont do that anymore
[13:34] <nasser> ok ....
[13:34] <Myrtti> I guess it means that you're banned then
[13:35] <nasser> I will never do it again
[13:35] <Hobbsee> wow, cracked 500.
[13:36] <LjL> now though, i'm feeling real silly to keep saying it's not out
[13:36] <LjL> even the swedish mirror has the final iso :P
[13:37] <Pici> LjL: But documentation is still being finalized, so its really not out yet
[13:37] <Hobbsee> well, you hope it does.
[13:37] <Hobbsee> it got respun yesterday, after being in the final place.
[13:37] <Myrtti> WE CAN NEVER KNOW UNTIL THE RM SINGS!
[13:37] <Myrtti> how to keep idiots in suspense... er I mean, Linuxists
[13:37] <LjL> did the bot do the "delayed indefinitely" prank?
[13:38] <LjL> (should have, probability was once in two hours)
[13:38] <Hobbsee> LjL: a bit.  i didn't have time for it
[13:38] <Hobbsee> oh, that.  right
[13:39] <zomgzomgzomgzomg> can i get released back into #ubuntu-release-party
[13:39] <Myrtti> no?
[13:39] <zomgzomgzomgzomg> im just to excited i guess
[13:40]  * Myrtti blows a stun gun dart at zomgzomgzomgzomg 
[13:40] <Myrtti> sssllllleeeeep
[13:41]  * Pici hmms
[13:41] <Pici> Peak for #ubuntu-release-party@freenode: 784 (Thu Oct 18 07:33:08 2007)
[13:41] <LjL> !torrents
[13:42] <LjL> !no torrents is <reply> Intrepid can be torrented from http://hr.releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent or http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/ubuntu-8.10-server-amd64.iso.torrent depending on your architecture. Torrents for other Ubuntu flavours can be found at: http://it.releases.ubuntu.com/ (CD) or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases (DVD).
[13:42] <nasser> #ubuntu-release-party I waaaaaant to join
[13:42] <LjL> if you know other factoids that need load balancing, please do
[13:42] <LjL> nasser: and i want a billion euros
[13:43] <Myrtti> nasser: I want a handsome boyfriend with billion euros
[13:43] <Myrtti> pllllllleeeeez
[13:43] <nasser> ;\ I want a ticket to join this party from here
[13:43] <LjL> Myrtti: i might eventually get the billion euros, but i'm sorry, the other part is a no-go
[13:43] <Myrtti> damn.
[13:43] <genii> @login
[13:43] <bazhang> floodbot just removed the ban on webmaster
[13:44] <Pici> bazhang: Yeah, I saw.
[13:44] <genii> @btlogin
[13:44] <Pici> It was only a mute
[13:44] <bazhang> Pici, okay
[13:44] <LjL> you banned him by nickname...?
[13:44] <Tm_T> btw I might need help in #k
[13:44] <Tm_T> got crowded at times
[13:44] <Tm_T> and I'm busy myself
[13:44] <Tm_T> thank you sirs
[13:45] <Pici> Tm_T: you have genii, he can handle it ;)
[13:45] <genii> Tm_T: Here as well but I'm logged in now and will do what I can
[13:45] <Tm_T> danke danke
[13:45] <LjL> ubot3 now really should be editable...
[13:45] <ubot3> LjL: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[13:45] <LjL> those factoids need changing for -party
[13:46] <nasser> !release
[13:46] <Myrtti> nasser: to cut the chase...
[13:46] <Myrtti> you're not going to be allowed in atleast until...
[13:46] <Myrtti> mmmkay
[13:46] <LjL> hah
[13:46] <Myrtti> zomgzomgzomgzomg: so whazzup
[13:47] <scientus> not much
[13:47] <scientus> yeah its downloading now
[13:47] <scientus> :)
[13:47] <scientus> fast too
[13:47]  * Pici looks at the topic
[13:47] <Myrtti> right
[13:47] <Pici> !idle | scientus 
[13:48] <Myrtti> too late
[13:48] <Pici> silly bot
[13:48] <Pici> lagging
[13:48] <Myrtti> ooh, you joined the channel
[13:48] <scientus> well im still banned want to do anyrhing
[13:48] <Myrtti> can you read the channel topic while you're at it?
[13:48] <scientus> to help me
[13:48] <Myrtti> thanks.
[13:48] <Myrtti> I've got COOKIES
[13:49] <Myrtti> I DON'T NEED SOUP!
[13:49] <LjL> jussi01, stdin: i really think we'll need ubottu in -party... or something editable, anyway
[13:49] <Pici> Hrm.  Ubottu is replying in pm..
[13:49] <Pici> !ing
[13:49] <Pici> oh well, at least it knows what it doesnt know
[13:50] <jussi01> ubottu: joun #ubuntu-release-party
[13:50] <jussi01> ubottu: join #ubuntu-release-party
[13:50] <jussi01> LjL: ^
[13:50] <ikonia> it doesn't want to go
[13:50] <LjL> jussi01: saw, thanks, hope it won't kill it
[13:50] <ikonia> i don't blame it
[13:50] <jussi01> LjL: me too.
[13:50] <jussi01> LjL: it was there last time, so should be ok
[13:51] <Myrtti> should we atleast part her from -offtopic?
[13:51] <Myrtti> I think it might be a nice precaution
[13:54] <LjL> nah, i'll take care of the -ot fellows
[14:01]  * jussi01 giggles at the withdrawal symptoms in -ot
[14:06] <jussi01> someone give them ubot3 or ubot5`... they hurt too much...
[14:06] <LjL> poor angels :(
[14:07] <LjL> i can't
[14:07] <LjL> i meant devils
[14:07] <LjL> ubotwo might be in a usable state perhaps
[14:07] <LjL> but i can't be arsed to start it
[14:07] <jussi01> I can give them failbot, but the factois are a bit old...
[14:07] <jussi01> is that ok?
[14:08] <Pici> !no
[14:08] <bazhang> failbot haha
[14:08] <jussi01> seriously, failbot could be foun for a while
[14:08] <LjL> Hobbsee...?
[14:08] <jussi01> fun*
[14:08] <Hobbsee> LjL: he's about to announce something
[14:09] <Myrtti> oooooh
[14:10] <Pici> bah, LjL 
[14:10] <LjL> bah, Pici
[14:10] <Hobbsee> man oh man...
[14:10] <Hobbsee> this is worth watching
[14:10] <Pici> Are we forwarding +1 to #u or rp?
[14:10] <Hobbsee> not touching.  just watching.
[14:10] <jussi01> release party is crazy...
[14:11] <Hobbsee> Pici: i'd leave it for a slight bit, as people celebrate there too that it's done
[14:11] <Tm_T> release done?
[14:13] <Hobbsee> yes
[14:13] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: #u-r-e suggests so..
[14:13] <Tm_T> thanks
[14:14] <LjL> are we lagging *freenode* with the party? :o
[14:14] <elkbuntu> #ubuntu is 1613 already
[14:15] <elkbuntu> christel, is everything ok?
[14:15] <jussi01>     wow, we are doing well
[14:16] <christel> elkbuntu: i believe so yes :)
[14:16] <jussi01> cant wait for a netsplit...
[14:16] <bazhang> hehe
[14:17] <Hobbsee> night all
[14:17] <Pici> jussi01: don't jinx it
[14:17] <Pici> Hobbsee: Goodnight ;)
[14:17] <jussi01> nini Hobbsee
[14:17] <bazhang> night Hobbsee 
[14:17] <Hobbsee> :)
[14:17] <elkbuntu> LjL, you may cease panic :)
[14:20] <Myrtti> !eol
[14:21] <Mez> what is the actual "It's officially out" trigger?
[14:21] <Mez> oh, the email ;)
[14:23] <bazhang> no more telling folks to go to #ubuntu+1 :)
[14:23] <ikonia> it's messed up my channel numbering in irrsi
[14:24]  * ikonia fumes
[14:25] <Mez> how is it ikonia?
[14:25] <Mez> just /win move it
[14:26] <LjL> !intrepid
[14:26] <ikonia> Mez: I'll tidy up, not to worry
[14:26] <LjL> !intrepid is <reply> Intrepid Ibex (Ubuntu 8.10) is OUT! #ubuntu for support, #ubuntu-release-party for discussion and partying
[14:26] <LjL> !no intrepid is <reply> Intrepid Ibex (Ubuntu 8.10) is OUT! #ubuntu for support, #ubuntu-release-party for discussion and partying
[14:26] <Pici> LjL: I *just* fixed them,
[14:26] <Pici> arg
[14:26] <Pici> no intrepid is <reply> Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) is the current release of Ubuntu.  Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/ - Features: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810 - Please use !torrents
[14:27] <Mez> !hardy
[14:27] <LjL> Pici: it's a good idea to fix them publicly ;)
[14:28] <LjL> it's pretty, you know, likely that we'd be editing the same factoids
[14:28] <Pici> !no intrepid is <reply> Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) is the current release of Ubuntu.  Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/ - Features: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810 - Please use !torrents - Party in #ubuntu-release-party
[14:28] <Pici> LjL: I literally did it 2 seconds before you did, and came here to !use it
[14:28] <Pici> Anyway
[14:35] <LjjjL> meh, xchat-gnome *is* stupid
[14:36] <Pici> Thats what I hear
[14:36] <LjjjL> Pici: i typed "/join #ubuntu-release-party" while it was busy (locked up) joining #ubuntu... and it missed the whole "/join" part
[14:37] <Pici> jussi01, stdin: Can we get intrepid set as the default release for !info ?
[14:37] <jussi01> sure
[14:38] <Pici> Thanks :)
[14:38] <stdin> @config plugins.Encyclopedia.searchorder
[14:38] <stdin> @config plugins.Encyclopedia.searchorder intrepid
[14:38] <jussi01> @config supybot.plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease 
[14:38] <jussi01> @config supybot.plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease intrepid
[14:39] <stdin> it doesn't really use PackageInfo, not directly anyway
[14:43] <LjjjL> how about promoting the use of metalinks too
[14:43] <Myrtti> metalinks?
[14:44] <LjjjL> Myrtti: http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.metalink
[14:44] <LjjjL> see www.metalinker.org
[14:44] <LjjjL> "aria2" is a package that can use them
[14:44] <Mez> me chuckles It's quite interesting watching my server seed the torrents ;)
[14:44] <Myrtti> OH WOW! my DOWNLINK HAS BEEN UPGRADED!
[14:44] <Myrtti> WOOOOO
[14:44] <Myrtti> wohoo
[14:45] <Myrtti> mmmmm
[14:45] <Myrtti> 8/1
[14:45] <Pici> congrats?
[14:45]  * Myrtti nods with a grin
[14:45] <Myrtti> 8/1 means better quality voip :->
[14:46] <LjjjL> Hobbsee elkbuntu popey, do you also have the metalinks on your sites? (aside from the fact that many xx.releases.ubuntu.com sites work fine)
[14:46] <LjjjL> i'm saturating my bandwidth using the metalink ;)
[14:46] <elkbuntu> metalink?
[14:46] <LjjjL> elkbuntu: see above
[14:47] <LjjjL> programs that can use metalinks (namely, aria2) can download from multiple mirrors concurrently
[14:47] <Pici> Myrtti: Do you mean thats 8mbit down and 1mbit up?
[14:47] <LjjjL> load balancing for the mirrors, and fast speed for the downloader
[14:47] <Myrtti> Pici: I had 2/1 before.
[14:47] <Myrtti> Pici: yeah.
[14:47] <Myrtti> I was the bottleneck before
[14:47] <Myrtti> ie. couldn't receive as fast
[14:47] <elkbuntu> LjL, i'd rather not operate an actual mirror
[14:48] <Pici> Myrtti: I'm surprised.  I thought Finland had generally faster internet access than here.
[14:48] <LjjjL> elkbuntu, you don't need to operate anything, a .metalink file is just a small bit of information like a .torrent file
[14:48] <LjjjL> it just basicaly lists the mirrors available
[14:48] <LjjjL> (should also list torrents IIRC)
[14:49] <genii> Tm_T jussi01 and other #kubuntu -ers apologies on being MIA  work is a bit crazy right now
[14:49] <Tm_T> genii: np
[14:49] <jussi01> genii: alls good, we all have busy days/weeks
[14:49] <LjjjL> wifi, grrrrr
[14:50] <genii> Should I go /away when extended periods or not bother?
[14:50] <LjjjL> it's generally a good idea to
[14:51] <LjjjL> but not because you're an op, just because it's a good idea
[14:51] <popey> people go /away for *days* or _shudder_ *weeks* from irc!?
[14:51] <genii> LjjjL: OK. I usually detest doing it.
[14:51] <genii> Gah weeks
[14:52] <popey> my client /aways when i disconnect
[14:52] <LjjjL> genii: err if you detest it, then don't do it, but why?
[14:53] <Myrtti> I've got three different awayscripts :-D
[14:53] <LjjjL> by the way, how do you suggest seeding the torrents with a CLI program and a NAT'd connection?
[14:53] <Myrtti> bittornado.
[14:53] <Myrtti> works.
[14:53] <Myrtti> next question.
[14:54] <genii> LjjjL: Holdover from telnet days I suppose is where the fear and loathing may come from
[14:54] <elkbuntu> LjjjL, rtorrent in screen
[14:54]  * Pici uses irssi and screen_away
[14:55] <elkbuntu> Pici, for torrenting?
[14:55] <thoreauputic> LjjjL: +1 for rtorrent in  screen
[14:55] <Mez> http://tools.bitfolk.com/cacti/graphs/graph_649_5.png <-- *chuckles*
[14:55] <Pici> What am I looking at>?
[14:56] <elkbuntu> Pici, the blue line to the right
[14:56] <popey> +1 rtorrent in screen
[14:56] <jdong> indeed
[14:56] <Mez> Pici: my bandwidth spiking as I started seeding 8.10
[14:56] <Mez> (notice the blue line go UP)
[14:57] <elkbuntu> Mez, you didnt see my rc seeding graph
[14:57] <popey> Mez: http://tools.bitfolk.com/cacti/graph_376.html <- my vps on that host
[14:57] <elkbuntu> Mez, elkbuntu.net/transfer
[14:58] <popey> Mez: http://tools.bitfolk.com/cacti/graph_392.html
[14:58] <Mez> popey: was about to say ;)
[14:58] <Mez> popey: you seeding too ?
[14:58] <popey> yeah
[14:58] <Mez> what you using as the torrent program?
[14:58] <popey> rtorrent
[14:58] <popey> in a screen
[14:59]  * Mez nods
[14:59] <Mez> same here
[14:59] <Mez> watch me geta massive bandwidth bill
[14:59] <popey> nah
[14:59] <Mez> nice graph elkbuntu ;)
[14:59] <popey> i have 240G/month allocation
[15:00] <LjjjL> should i use any particular options with rtorrent due to being on NAT - and for seeding?
[15:00] <elkbuntu> Mez, i have to start one for release now
[15:00] <LjjjL> i have the image downloaded already, i just need to seed it
[15:00] <Mez> popey: what plan is that? 
[15:00]  * Mez logs into panel to check his
[15:00] <popey> Mez: dunno, i have had free upgrades over time
[15:00] <popey> loyal customer
[15:00] <Mez> popey: lucky you
[15:00] <popey> LjjjL: should just work
[15:01]  * Mez just has 3 VPSs (2 I pay for )(
[15:01] <elkbuntu> doesnt seem like it's going to work...
[15:01] <LjjjL> popey: in the man it mentions a couple of options specific for seeding
[15:01] <popey> ooo, i have another vps - should seed on that too
[15:01] <elkbuntu> popey, yah
[15:01] <Mez> popey: It's a shame rtorrent doesnt do ipv6
[15:02] <Mez> popey: I only have an 80G/month allowance :(
[15:08] <jdong> Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 7069K packets, 9464M bytes)
[15:08] <jdong> I have seeded 10G since this morning on one of my three seeders
[15:10] <Myrtti> oh dear *sniffles*
[15:11] <Myrtti> 8/1 means I can watch the unpacked iptv with vlc :')
[15:12] <elkbuntu> Mez, calendar month?
[15:12] <Mez> jdong: what are you seeding ?
[15:13] <Mez> elkbuntu: er - yeah... 
[15:13] <jdong> Mez: intrepid i386 and amd64
[15:13] <Mez> though I think it might be 4 weeks...
[15:13] <elkbuntu> Mez, and how much left to last the next 24hrs?
[15:13] <elkbuntu> (ok, maybe a little longer than 24)
[15:14] <Myrtti> FNBC is showing Jacques Cousteau!!!!1111
[15:14] <Mez> elkbuntu: it's from the billing period - so I think it might be the 7th
[15:14] <Mez> oh, no, this server is the 1st of the month ;)
[15:14] <elkbuntu> and how much bw is left
[15:16] <Mez> one sec, just checking
[15:17] <Mez> elkbuntu: here ya go http://files.sourceguru.net/bw.jpg
[15:18]  * Mez loves "capture screen to server"
[15:21] <Myrtti> oooh, they're showing Little Mosque in the Prairie today!
[15:21] <Mez> mosque?
[15:21] <Myrtti> oops. I guess I should be downloading Ubuntu Intrepid and seeding it with my glorious 8/1, neh?
[15:21] <thoreauputic> LjjjL: In the ~/.rtorrentrc define your ports (obviously forward them) - I use high ports in the 50-60000 range here 
[15:22] <Myrtti> Mez: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Mosque_on_the_Prairie
[15:22] <thoreauputic> LjjjL: you can also turn on dht in rtorrent now
[15:22] <Mez> dht?
[15:22] <jdong> Mez: distributed hash tables
[15:22] <jdong> mesh networked trackerless peer location
[15:22]  * Mez is off for a bit
[15:22] <thoreauputic> distributed hash table
[15:22] <jdong> good for when the tracker dies
[15:23] <jdong> or if you want to be really mean to your neighborhood routers :)
[15:23] <thoreauputic> jdong: heh it certainly adds a lot of connections - little domestic routers can have problems with it
[15:24] <thoreauputic> limited nat tables I think?
[15:24] <jdong> well it's almost a certain death sentence over the course of a day to most home NAT routers :)
[15:24] <jdong> but at times it is also pretty bandwidth-intensive in UDP and causes good routers to start discarding UDP too
[15:24] <thoreauputic> jdong: seems ok here with my little cheapie
[15:24] <jdong> neighbors on Skype may not be happy with you
[15:25] <jdong> good to hear
[15:25] <jdong> the problem with DHT and UDP is that it's nearly impossible to rate-limit the # of connections
[15:25] <Myrtti> ok, need... to... shut... down... the... program... with... pwetty... whales... NAO
[15:25] <jdong> "connections"
[15:25] <Myrtti> arrrgghhhhh
[15:26] <thoreauputic> jdong: if I leave a torrent running for long enough it clags up though :)
[15:26] <thoreauputic> days usually
[15:26] <jdong> right
[15:34] <LjL> check  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Download  for accuracy
[15:34] <thoreauputic> jdong: affecting the neighbours would only apply on cable I assume - adsl2+ here
[15:34] <thoreauputic> re:udpand skype etc.
[16:01] <PriceChild> Things going ok?
[16:02] <stdin> relativity peaceful
[16:04] <Pici> jussi01, stdin: #ubuntu's !info is still using hardy
[16:04] <Myrtti> it shouldn't be
[16:04] <stdin> @channel #ubuntu plugins.Encyclopedia.searchorder
[16:04] <jussi01> !info waon
[16:04] <stdin> ahh
[16:04] <stdin> @channel #ubuntu plugins.Encyclopedia.searchorder intrepid
[16:05] <PriceChild> something must be wrong
[16:05] <stdin> someone overrode the value for #ubuntu
[16:08] <Myrtti> what's the theoretical maximum of my dl if I've got 8/1 Mb/s?
[16:09] <Myrtti> maths, I suck in it
[16:10] <Myrtti> aw socks. is it that late already
[16:10] <Pici> 1MB/s iirc
[16:11] <Myrtti> peak rate of downloading the torrents is 730KiB/s currently
[16:12] <stdin> depends on how your ISP works, I had 4Mb/s but could only use 3Mb/s to download
[16:16] <Myrtti> MOAR BYTES!
[16:16] <Pici> nomnomnom
[16:32] <jussi01> Myrtti: ~800kb/s
[16:33] <jussi01> it basically works out mbit speed x 100 = download speed in kb
[16:35] <Pici> uh.  8 bits in a byte.. divide by 8
[16:38] <Myrtti> so, if I'm getting 750, it's ok?
[16:38] <Myrtti> 1 day, 4 hours, 21 minutes \o/
[16:39]  * Myrtti goes to clean the place up
[16:39] <Pici> Until... firday?
[16:39] <Pici> er, saturday
[16:39] <Myrtti> until it's 2300 :-P
[16:39]  * Myrtti goes
[16:54] <Myrtti> oh for GODS SAKE
[16:54] <Myrtti> my stalkers seem to be awake today
[17:24] <jussi01> putting ubottu back to -ot, as the load is significantly less than I though in -release-party
[17:25] <jussi01> ubottu: join #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:17] <Myrtti> mmm kebab
[18:18] <Mez> Myrtti: onna stick?
[18:19] <Myrtti> döner, whatever
[18:19] <Mez> ah, I like those, but stereotypically for drunken people... so - kinda a bad reputation
[19:05] <jussi01> !autostart-#kubuntu
[19:07] <jussi01> !no, autostart-#kubuntu is <reply>To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. In KDE 3.X the package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory. For a complete KDE 3.X guide, see http://jucato.org/kde/kde-autostart.html
[19:07] <jussi01> !autostart-#kubuntu
[19:22] <lifestream> Hello , not sure if this is the correct place, but how can I check if this username is available? It says registered, but is it possible to see the last time it was used? It's my name verywhere on the web, and I'd love to snatch it for IRC too :P
[19:24] <pleia2> lifestream: probably want to try #freenode
[19:24] <pleia2> this is for ubuntu channel help, we don't do freenode server stuff
[19:24] <lifestream> Thanks kindly  :)
[19:26] <jussi01> lifestream: anything else we can help you with?
[19:26] <lifestream> Oops, forgot to leave the channel x-D Sorries! *waves ^^
[19:35] <Myrtti> !search usb
[19:35] <Myrtti> !usb
[19:38] <jussi01> we need to update that now usb-creator exists
[19:38] <jussi01> !inf usb-creator
[19:38] <jussi01> !info usb-creator
[19:38] <jussi01> its brilliant!
[19:43] <nekostar> interesting....
[19:44] <nalioth> can we help you, nekostar?
[19:44] <nekostar> nalioth was getting heckled.. just going to idle here
[19:44] <nekostar> srry
[19:45] <nekostar> i need to know who is really opped
[19:45] <Myrtti> where?
[19:45] <nekostar> i take it v here == ubuOP ?
[19:45] <Myrtti> not really
[19:45] <nekostar> Myrtti if it was really an issue i would of said 
[19:45] <nekostar> kk
[19:45] <Myrtti> /msg chanserv access <channel> list
[19:45] <nalioth> nekostar: this is not a channel for idling
[19:45] <Myrtti> if I'm not terribly wrong
[19:45] <nekostar> nalioth i know that.
[19:46] <nekostar> Myrtti your right but not being ON the list at a certain level i dont think i can axx that
[19:46] <nalioth> nekostar: you're thinking of the FLAGS command
[19:46] <nekostar> nowai
[19:46] <nekostar> worx perfect thanx!
[20:01] <Myrtti> please, tell me, how can a story about my accidental pasting stuff to a identica xmpp bot be TMI?
[20:09] <Flannel> Myrtti: That's way too personal of information to share with the internet, sheesh.
[20:09] <Flannel> Don't you have any sense of privacy?
[20:09] <Flannel> Have you no shame?
[20:09]  * jussi01 chuckles
[20:10] <Myrtti> and for your information: THERE IS NO GENDER IN THE INTERHWEBS. There's only androgynic LEGO people!
[20:13] <Flannel> Myrtti: now now, I don't want to hear you talking about your lego nubs.
[20:30] <jdong> Myrtti: lego people have gender....
[20:30]  * jdong pulls out the diagram
[20:30] <Tm_T> erm
[20:42] <Tm_T> I need my sleep now
[20:43] <Tm_T> Myrtti: good night little sister, it's almost d-day
[20:43] <Tm_T> try get some sleep ->
[20:44] <Flare183> nekostar is not following the ubuntu irc rules
[20:45] <Tm_T> Flare183: use ! ops call please
[20:45] <jussi01> Flare183: Im watching the situation
[20:45] <Tm_T> jussi01: thanks
[20:45] <Flare183> I already have
[20:45] <Flare183> No one did anything
[20:45] <Tm_T> ah, this one
[20:46] <Myrtti> Tm_T: nini dear
[20:47] <Tm_T> anyway, really, sleep kids ->
[20:48] <jussi01> Flare183: out of curiousity, in your opinion, what is he doing now that warrants a kick/ban?
[20:48] <Flare183> repeatly saying lol omg, etc. and abusing the bot
[20:49] <Flare183> Like everytime I would ask him to pls don't go offtopic, he would
[20:50] <jussi01> Flare183: ok, Im watching it, he has been ok for a bit so Ill handle it if and when it happens again
[20:50] <Flare183> ok thanks
[20:52] <jussi01> man #u is crazy...
[21:02] <jussi01> Ok, Im off for a bit, someone watch #u...
[21:29] <wgrant> Why is PartyBot still saying it's not out?
[21:29] <jussi01> because LjL hasnt stopped it...
[21:29] <jussi01> and its evil...
[21:30] <wgrant> Heh.
[21:30] <jussi01> we cant mute it cause its opped... hrm...
[21:31] <PriceChild> It can be removed.
[21:31] <PriceChild> i guess it can't be deopped?
[21:31] <jussi01> doesnt it reop itsself?
[21:31] <wgrant> Isn't it setting -e on mibbit people?
[21:31] <wgrant> We can check...
[21:32] <PriceChild> oh yes it is
[21:32] <jussi01> yeah, thats what I thought
[21:32] <PriceChild> but there's #ubuntu and -offtopic :/
[21:32] <jussi01> LjL: had some special setup happening
[21:33] <jussi01> anyway, I really ought to go to bed...
[21:34] <jussi01> nini all
[22:02] <wgrant> Can somebody abolish !xgl or something?
[22:02] <wgrant> Xgl is dead.
[22:04] <PriceChild> !xgl
[22:04] <Myrtti> !forget xgl
[22:04] <Myrtti> something else?
[22:07] <LjL> wgrant: i "forgot" to stop it
[22:07] <LjL> anyway, it's not really doing anything on mibbit people, since they're very free to join -party to begin with
[22:07] <LjL> it's just stopping floods
[22:07] <wgrant> Ah.
[22:12] <elkbuntu> ha. she's at it again, and forgetting the / <emma> query OzoneNerd
[22:13] <wgrant> Heh.
[22:13] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: where?
[22:13] <elkbuntu> -party
[22:14] <PriceChild> fun fun fun
[22:24] <LjL> wgrant: but seriously, maybe everyone else here knows how to fiddle with the new X and everything else too by heart, but myself i'm getting a bit out of touch with new ways of doing things, the fact that when someone complains about their screen not showing up right i cannot make them reconfigure xorg.conf is... strange
[22:24] <wgrant> LjL: You can make them reconfigure xorg.conf.
[22:24] <wgrant> You just need to add 3 lines to it.
[22:25] <wgrant> But that's only needed if you need to add new modes.
[22:25] <wgrant> And will be entirely unnecessary in Jaunty.
[22:26] <wgrant> Input devices need to now be configured elsewhere, but we're discussing a GUI for all of that at 
[22:26] <wgrant> *at UDS
[22:36] <Hobbsee> LjL: I don't.
[23:01] <jrib> wgrant: "add 3 lines to it"?  documentation?
[23:14] <Madpilot> 1400+ in #u - I see the insanity is ongoing
[23:15] <PriceChild> wasn't there 1600 earlier?
[23:16] <Madpilot> no idea
[23:16] <Madpilot> I assume the release is officially out? (been AFK all day...)
[23:16] <PriceChild> I might be getting figures mixed up, tired.
[23:16] <PriceChild> Yup.
[23:17] <jdong> Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 107M packets, 153G bytes)
[23:17] <Hobbsee> yes, it is
[23:17] <jdong> yeah!
[23:17] <Hobbsee> jdong: as in, you've torrented 153gb worth?
[23:17] <jdong> yeah
[23:17] <jdong> on one of my systems
[23:18] <Hobbsee> nice.
[23:18] <Hobbsee> 70gb here :)
[23:18] <jdong> awesome
[23:18] <Hobbsee> i think so :)
[23:18] <jdong> hopefully that keeps the torrents moving well
[23:18] <jdong> heard mostly good reports of torrent speeds
[23:19] <Hobbsee> yeah
[23:19] <Hobbsee> looks like there are ltos of seeders on the i386 desktop
[23:21] <Madpilot> not as many for i386 alt, tho. I always use the alt CD for upgrades, so much faster to torrent & burn a CD
[23:22] <Hobbsee> yeah...
[23:22] <Hobbsee> i was surprised about that
[23:22] <Hobbsee> not many desktop amd64, either
[23:31] <Madpilot> OK, that's interesting... fewer seeders/peers on the alt BT, but I get *faster* downloads than off the desktop torrent. Odd.
[23:32] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: i get a suspicion that the torrent program doesn't really cope so well with really large numbers of people
[23:33] <Madpilot> could be
[23:33] <Madpilot> 87seeds/19peers for desktop; 73 & 12 for alt... not a huge difference, but alt is coming in ~40% faster.
[23:34]  * Madpilot wonders why Gnome went with Transmission as default BT, when Deluge is so much nicer...
[23:35] <jdong> Madpilot: deluge packaging is a bit scary, and upstream is as bit less consistent about releasing
[23:35] <jdong> Madpilot: oh yeah their early pre-0.5.x.x track record with rm -rf bugs doesn't help either :D
[23:35] <Madpilot> heh
[23:36] <Madpilot> I think it's also a Mono app, so all the "Mono is MS poison" crowd would get excited about that too
[23:36] <jdong> Deluge is Python and C
[23:36] <jdong> the C library isn't shared by much else
[23:36] <jdong> MonoTorrent (aka Monsoon) is Mono
[23:36] <jdong> I actually like that code base better
[23:37] <jdong> it's a much better API for torrents... should allow for some really neat bittorrent-powered apps
[23:53] <Hobbsee> how does one drop all bans in a channel?
[23:53] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: /msg chanserv help clear bans
[23:54] <PriceChild> or the long way :)
[23:54] <Hobbsee> [10:54] [Notice] -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation.
[23:54] <PriceChild> you probably need +r or something. Which channel?
[23:54] <Hobbsee> #u-r-p
[23:54] <PriceChild> ah, +R
[23:55] <christel> Hobbsee: or just /unban *
[23:55] <Hobbsee> christel: doesn't seem to wokr :)
[23:55] <PriceChild> someone showed me "/op *"s warning in irssi today which was amusing, but still didn't work with the extra flag (
[23:56] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[23:56] <PriceChild> Was that maybe your client trying to be clever Hobbsee? Try a random channel and use quote?
[23:57] <Myrtti> irssi goodness-
[23:57] <Myrtti> nom.
[23:57] <Myrtti> bed.
[23:57] <Myrtti> tata
[23:58] <PriceChild> Night Myrtti.
[23:58] <christel> Hobbsee: what PriceChild said, it should work, well, it works in irssi :x
[23:58] <genii> @login
[23:58] <Myrtti> :-----D
[23:58] <Myrtti> hihihihihih
[23:58]  * Myrtti huggles christel 
[23:58]  * christel hugs Myrttibabe
[23:59] <Seeker`> how many bans did #u-r-p pick up ?