[08:05] <kraut> moin
[08:13] <gawin> Hi there, I have a question about using fdisk and fstab in my Ubuntu Server 8.04
[08:14] <gawin> every time I reboot my server the two HD's get mixed up... so /dev/sda becomes /dev/sdb and b becomes a
[08:15] <gawin> unfortunately the switching is quite random...
[08:15] <gawin> What could cause this problem?
[08:16] <nijaba> gawin: I do not know what could cause it, but I believe you can fix that by specifying uuid in your fstab
[08:16] <gawin> how can I retrieve the uuid?
[08:18] <nijaba> gawin: vol_id -u /dev/sdXX should work
[08:18] <gawin> thx, (server is rebooting now, so I'll try that in a moment)
[08:29] <gawin> great it seems to work just fine, thx Nijaba ;-)
[08:29] <nijaba> gawin: np, my pleasure
[08:29] <gawin> (I do have to reboot a few more times of course, but so far so good, fingers crossed)
[08:30]  * nijaba crossing fingers for you as well, but pretty confident uuids won't jump too much
[08:31] <gawin> yeah, would be rather inconvenient if uuid start reinventing themselves :-)
[08:34] <Dedi> any way to forcecheck reiserfs and autofix everything on boot? (touch /forcefsck will not fix it afaik) ?
[09:01] <ganes> ubuntu server didnt have gdm why?
[09:07] <ara> hello, there is a small bug (localization stuff) in the page http://start.ubuntu.com/8.10/
[09:07] <ara> where should I report it?
[09:15] <ganes> i installed ubuntu server 8.04 but it is going only to command mode .. is it correct or not
[09:15] <ara> reported at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/290847
[09:37] <nijaba> ganes: yep, no X server by design, see http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/features/security
[09:47] <ganes> nijaba,why they have not added the gdm like redhat .. this link i already gone through
[09:47] <ganes> nijaba, is there any specific reson..
[09:48] <nijaba> ganes: that's unwise in terms of security and you still have the choice to install what interface you like
[09:49] <ganes> nijaba, while installing it is not asking any kind of gdm or kdm desktop..
[09:49] <ogra> nijaba, you should probably make the first sentence there: "By design, Ubuntu Server Edition does not include an X server or any graphical desktop applications."
[09:49] <hads> Yes
[09:49] <nijaba> ganes: no and that's on purpose
[09:50] <ganes> nijaba, im not getting
[09:50] <ogra> might be that people dont know what an X server is :)
[09:50] <ganes> nijaba, server cd has that package or not
[09:50] <hads> As it's not installed on a server by defualt I don't imagine the packages are on the CD
[09:51] <ganes> nijaba, server cd has the gdm package or not .. otherwise we need to install it manually from repo..
[09:51] <nijaba> hads: correct
[09:51] <ogra> ganes, no graphical apps at all
[09:51] <nijaba> ganes: right, you'll need to get it from repos
[09:51] <hads> OR just not install it :)
[09:51] <ogra> :)
[09:52] <ganes> nijaba, my question is redhat is giving why not from ubuntu
[09:52] <ganes> ogra, if gdm is there it will be easy to configure
[09:52] <ogra> ganes, its wasting resources
[09:52] <nijaba> ganes: beacause we deliberately chose not to be another RedHat?
[09:53] <ogra> adding more attacink points for security issues ...
[09:53] <Koon> ganes: because we are better than RedHat ?
[09:53] <ogra> *attacking
[09:54] <ogra> if you want a GUI driven server i'd honestly go with the desktop CD and install the server apps you want
[09:54] <ganes> is the ubuntu server installed any major institutes or any concern ..whats the feedback from them
[09:54] <ganes> Koon, i want to install this on my server
[09:55]  * hads has trouble deciphering
[09:55] <ogra> ganes, how about that  ? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/13/wikimedia_goes_ubuntu/
[09:56] <Koon> ganes: we have pretty big installs - and the bigger the happier they are with us leaving out X
[09:56] <ogra> hads, he wants to see customer feedback
[09:56] <ganes> ogra, ya
[09:57] <maswan> on the server, you want remote (serial/serial over lan) console, not gdm
[09:57] <maswan> at least for any bigger install
[09:57]  * maswan manages a few dozen racks
[09:57] <ganes> my self compiled the kernel which you are using by just putting your config file .. but it is asking lot of queries
[09:58] <ganes> ogra, i just copied your config file & gave make oldconfig .. after it is asking questions
[09:58] <ogra> ganes, there is #ubuntu-kernel for kernel questions :)
[09:59] <ganes> ogra, i will be back after testing this server
[10:17] <nijaba> ogra: suggestion added to the security page, thanks
[10:18] <ogra> :)
[13:14] <wo0f_> hi guys
[13:14] <wo0f_> i need to setup a nx server
[13:15] <wo0f_> does anyone know of a good tutorial that actually works?
[13:15] <wo0f_> (also, will, freenx be in the 8.10 repo?)
[14:26] <Ergo^> hello
[14:26] <Ergo^> is it safe to upgrade the 8.04 server to 8.10 ?
[14:27] <slangasek> Ergo^: please read the release notes and decide for yourself
[14:27] <slangasek> it's "safe", but it may not be the right decision for all server users
[14:27] <Ergo^> i was asking out of "something breaks" situation, im the sole "user" of the machine
[14:28] <Ergo^> so i run apt-get dist-upgrade ? thats all ?
[14:29] <Ergo^> nevermind
[14:29]  * Ergo^ starts reading docs
[14:29] <slangasek> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading documents the recommended upgrade path
[14:30] <Ergo^> thank you
[14:30] <ciapsadm> Hi
[14:31] <ciapsadm> How do I know that the user name of the database:
[14:31] <ciapsadm> Access denied for user 'ciapsadm'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[14:35] <Ergo^> updating, hope all goes well :]
[15:43]  * nijaba loves new invalid bugs :)
[15:44] <Koon> and I like old, just-invalidated things to appear as "New bug"
[15:44] <Koon> uvirtbot needs the 100.000km revision.
[15:44] <Koon> yeah yeah, right
[15:44] <Koon> you can run but you cannot hide.
[15:44] <nijaba> :D
[17:35] <brewmaster> anyone have any recommendations for shared hosting based in the US tri-state area?  the internet is so saturated with hosting companies...
[17:40] <ciapsadm> Hi
[17:41] <ciapsadm> How do I know that the user name of the database:
[17:52] <ShawnR> I am trying to install ubuntu server 8.10 and when trying to format a software RAID 1, it goes right to 33% and stops.  I noticed that new in 8.10 are some software RAID enhancements (it installed fine when I put on debian etch a month ago)
[18:10] <J-_> "Error: Configuration file missing and /var/www/wp-content directory (/var/www/wp-content) is not writable by the Web server." What should I do? Can I make it writable by the server and keep it secure at the same time so others can't write to it too?
[18:14] <yann2> soren > my best guess about the bug is that the format virt install uses is very close to qcow2, but not *exactly* the same
[18:15] <yann2> in other words, sometimes it will work, sometimes it wont... converting to qcow2 is a good thing to do
[18:15] <yann2> I downgraded my KVM host to kvm-62 and all the tools with it, and will start putting some windows vms on prod :)
[18:44] <HellMind> where is the netinstall ?
[18:52] <HellMind> gusssssssssssss
[18:52] <HellMind> Where can I get the smallest installer
[19:04] <Wavesonics> hola. hey isn't 8.10 server suppose to be able to do software RAID? I can't find the others in the server install
[19:04] <Wavesonics> others = option
[19:28] <HellMind> Can I convert the regular ubuntu into a server one?
[19:28] <tonyyarusso> HellMind: sure.  It's just a matter of installing server packages, and optionally, removing X and friends.
[19:29] <HellMind> then chaging the repertories of apt will do the trick?
[19:30] <tonyyarusso> You use the same repositories.
[19:31] <Wavesonics> If I format my system with ext4, can Ubuntu install and run from it?
[19:32] <Wavesonics> just point ubuntu at it during the install, not ask it to install
[19:32] <tonyyarusso> I don't think ext4 is supported yet, no.
[19:32] <tonyyarusso> You mightbe able to do it, but I don't know anyone who would recommend it or be able to tell you how.
[19:34] <Wavesonics> but I'll be able to upgrade form ext3 to ext4 at a later point?
[19:34] <Wavesonics> mkfs in 8.10 supports it *shrug*
[19:35] <Wavesonics> mkfs.ext4
[19:35] <tonyyarusso> Perhaps it is then.  Haven't really looked into it myself.
[19:35] <Wavesonics> well il give it a try and let u all know
[19:35] <Deeps> you may end up wiping your filesystem if you mkfs.ext4 on it
[19:36] <greenfly> last I heard ext4 was still experimental
[19:36] <Wavesonics> Linus promoted it from devext4 to just ext4
[19:36] <Wavesonics> and Fedora has been using it for a while now
[19:36]  * greenfly shrugs it's your data
[19:36] <Wavesonics> ya idk
[19:37] <Wavesonics> it's a clean drive ATM
[19:37] <Deeps> wikipedia suggests that ext4 is officially stable as of october 21st
[19:37] <greenfly> my recommendation is to stick with a more stable file system unless you have an express need for some feature in ext4
[19:37] <Wavesonics> but a ext3 drive can be upgrade to ext4 with out formating it right?
[19:37] <greenfly> dunno, ext2->ext3 was
[19:37] <Deeps> A preliminary development snapshot of ext4 was included in version 2.6.19 of the Linux kernel. On Oct 11, 2008, the patches[4] that mark ext4 as stable code were merged in the Linux 2.6.28 source code repositories, marking the end of the development phase and recommending its adoption.
[19:37] <Wavesonics> it's for a file server, so the extends in ext4 would be nice for my large files
[19:38] <Wavesonics> ah cool
[19:38] <Wavesonics> thanks Deeps
[19:38] <greenfly> whether someone decided to call it stable or not I'd still be leery of something like that for important data until it makes the rounds a bit longer
[19:38] <greenfly> but that's just me
[19:38] <Wavesonics> i hear ya greenfly
[19:38] <greenfly> if you have lots of large files XFS might be the best choice
[19:38] <Deeps> and yeah, it's possible you can just mount -t ext4 on an ext3 fs
[19:38] <Deeps> and then have the new features available to you
[19:38] <tonyyarusso> Anyone know what the rationale was for choosing Bacula over Amanda?
[19:39] <greenfly> cooler name?
[19:39] <greenfly> halloween release?
[19:39] <Wavesonics> Deeps, just that just mount it, or does it actually modify the FS to be ext4?
[19:40] <Deeps> well, you can take an ext2 filesystem and mount it as ext3 to take advantage of journalling
[19:40] <Deeps> and thus it 'becomes' ext3
[19:40] <Deeps> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4#Backward_compatibility
[19:40]  * Deeps shrugs
[19:41] <Wavesonics> hhmmm
[19:41] <Wavesonics> i guess my question is, does it physicaly modify the FS so it actually *is* ext4 there after
[19:41] <greenfly> I thought you had to use mkfs on an ext2 partition to add journaling
[19:47] <Wavesonics> ok
[19:47] <Wavesonics> i got another question for yall :)
[19:47] <Wavesonics> i just followed this tutorial with the live desktop CD ( http://www.howtoforge.com/install-ubuntu-with-software-raid-10 ) to set up my drive partitions for RAID 10
[19:47] <Wavesonics> but the last bit of the tutorial is for Ubuntu Desktop
[19:48] <Wavesonics> and I want to do Ubuntu Server
[19:48] <Wavesonics> so how can I have the server install read my RAID10 array and install to it
[19:57] <Wavesonics> the minimum size for my boot partition is 31 GB!
[20:00] <slicslak> i don't think that some lamp related apps were installed right.  if I use tasksel to deselect LAMP and then select LAMP will my /etc configs remain the same?
[20:15] <slicslak> nah, didn't touch them. pefrect
[20:40] <tonyyarusso> I'd like to have some sort of versioning to keep track of changes to files in /etc and allow for rollback.  What are some of the options for accomplishing this?
[20:42] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: simplest one I know of is the etckeeper package
[20:45] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: hrm, seems reasonable.
[20:47] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: is it possible with that to say things like "restore $file to $day&time", or do you have to look up a version number manually
[20:47] <tonyyarusso> ?
[20:47] <jimcooncat> ajmitch: is etckeeper available for hardy?
[20:48] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: I have no idea :)
[20:48] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[20:49] <ajmitch> jimcooncat: looks to be in hardy universe
[20:49] <jimcooncat> tonyyarusso: must be a way to do that with bash or perl
[20:49] <jimcooncat> thanks ajmitch
[20:50] <jimcooncat> it looks interesting. I'm trying to find a way to push configs out to other servers -- maybe make a metapackage with a postint that writes a custom config file?
[20:51] <ajmitch> look at puppet
[20:51] <ajmitch> again, I haven't used it, but have heard it's very useful
[20:51] <jimcooncat> ajmitch: I've looked at it but can't grok it; I guess I'll install it and play
[21:00] <lool> Hey; I wonder whether ubuntu-vm-builder --in-place should be creating any file in /tmp?  With verbose I see: 2008-10-30 21:58:24,859 INFO     Creating disk image: /tmp/vmbuilder6rA6Qe/disk0.img
[21:00] <lool> So it would seem like --in-place is ignored?!
[21:01] <ogra> well, the .img is in a place :)
[21:04] <lool> Hmm there's little difference between vmbuilder and ubuntu-vm-builder
[21:04] <lool> --help output are quite similar, but not identical and the contents of the wrapper as well
[21:04] <lool> But there's no man page for ubuntu-vm-builder
[21:12] <ogra> how does it pass lintian then ?
[21:14] <lool> ogra: It passes lintian?
[21:14] <ogra> no idea, i thought its in main
[21:14] <ogra> it should pass lintian :)
[21:15] <lool> In my experience, lots of stuff in main is far from passing lintian :-(
[21:15] <lool> ogra: Do we have an ubuntu wide lintian instance?
[21:16] <ogra> no
[21:16] <ogra> i check my packages from time to time
[21:16] <ogra> and i'd expect others to do that too
[21:16] <ogra> but indeed i might assume to much :)
[21:17] <lool> I run lintian on every build; I don't always fix stuff which I didn't break
[21:21] <tonyyarusso> My package has somehow ended up broken due to changes in its dependencies when the package itself is identical.  That's a bit annoying.
[21:26] <ajmitch> lool: only documentation I can see on it is in the server guide & the wiki
[21:36] <ShawnR> i've checked the MD5 of the iso, even burned at like 12x and on 3 diff drives, the CD does not pass the CD check, what gives?
[21:44] <dekkong> Hello everyone
[21:45] <dekkong>  I have a friend that wants an good linux server distribution, he wants to run a dc++ hub, teamspeak server, good firewall what would your recommend?
[21:45] <hads> You're in the ubuntu-server channel :)
[21:45] <dekkong> hads: talking to me? :)
[21:46] <hads> Indeed
[21:46] <dekkong> hads: yeah i know I just need som opinions :)
[21:47] <ShawnR> i think most opinions in here, would point to ubuntu server
[21:47] <dekkong> ShawnR: yes i'm downloading it atm
[21:47] <ogra> well, indeed you will get great reputation for rh enterprise server or SLES here :P
[21:50] <ShawnR> burning an ISO at 8x makes me wonder how we ever got through the late 90s
[21:50] <spiekey> hi
[21:50] <spiekey> could anyone please help me with this dep problem please? http://pastebin.com/m53e18cf9
[21:50] <spiekey> i seem to run around in a circle
[21:51] <dekkong> ok .. but this is how it goes ... a friend of mine wanted a linux server so he could use it as a "firewall" and that he could host dc++ server, teamspeak server
[21:51] <ShawnR> i didn't know DC++ was still going
[21:51] <hads> All Linux distributions use iptables so the firewall part is moot
[21:52] <ShawnR> i ran a TS server on a 500mhz celeron running Win 2k Pro.... any of those services you ask for, pretty much will run on any box
[21:52] <ShawnR> so it kinda depends on what you wanna play with
[21:53] <ogra> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/firewall.html
[22:08] <spiekey> i keep geeting; W: GPG error: http://de.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[22:08] <spiekey> any idea how to fix this?
[22:48] <Paulrf> Anyone know a fix for the Intel GV910GL video issue with the 8.10 upgrade?
[22:49] <soren> What issue might that be?
[22:52] <Paulrf> Video was working fine - all generic linux drivers...
[22:52] <Paulrf> Installed 8.10 and now video is corrupt...
[22:52] <andol> spiekey: Usually that's just temporay, as the mirror updates. Still, I guess you could test what happen if you use another mirror?
[22:53] <Paulrf> From on another channel, issue seems to be typical with intel drivers
[22:55] <soren> Paulrf: When you say "video is corrupt"... What do you mean, exactly?
[22:56] <Paulrf> Login prompt is at very top of display, but X starts.
[22:57] <Paulrf> After you log in, display is in 3 vertical sections, about 1/3rd each.
[22:57] <soren> How is this related to ubuntu server?
[22:57] <Paulrf> Perhaps it isn't, other than the fact that I'm running ubuntu server
[22:57] <Paulrf> is there a better channel?
[22:58] <soren> #ubuntu sounds like a good place.
[22:58] <soren> " For general (not server specific) support visit #ubuntu "  <---- from /TOPIC
[22:58] <Paulrf> Okay.. I was trying to avoid them - the scroll is so fast, they didn't even see my message
[22:58] <Paulrf> sorry..
[22:58] <Paulrf> thanks
[22:58] <soren> Contrary to popular belief, that doesn't magically make things on topic in other channels..
[23:01] <ajmitch> beer does...
[23:02] <ajmitch> at least that seems to be the rule on the NZNOG mailing list :)
[23:03] <soren> Hrm... Yes, that might be true :)
[23:29] <zul> soren: you missed yesterday when someone on #ubuntu-server asked how to be unbanned from the #mandrake channels
[23:35] <_Desp> hi all
[23:35] <_Desp> I just upgrade to Ibex and I got that error:
[23:35] <_Desp> apache2: Syntax error on line 185 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/perl.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_perl.so into server
[23:36] <_Desp> apache2 looking for libperl.so.5.8 and Ibex upgraded this libperl to libperl.so.5.10
[23:36] <_Desp> any ideas please ?
[23:38] <_Desp> hrmmmmm
[23:38] <_Desp> is it a bug ?
[23:40] <_Desp> 130 users just idle here huh
[23:40] <andol> _Desp: Well, if I were to guess...
[23:41] <andol> _Desp: It's an upgrade an not a clean install? Perhaps some old, not entirely compatible, configuration which remains. Tried purging and reinstalling mod_perl?
[23:44] <andol> _Desp: Anyhow, I just installed mod_perl2 on my intrepid computer, and apache didn't seem to have any trouble loading it.
[23:54] <tonyyarusso> Has anyone used Untangle, and if so how does it compare to Ubuntu with eBox (or something else)?  Someone I work with is planning to use Untangle for ease of administration, but I haven't messed with it or the other server pseudo-GUIs before.