[01:05]  * nixternal kicks intrepid square in the pants
[01:05] <nixternal> I cannot figure out where this damn problem came from
[01:06] <DreadKnight> how come on ubuntu or kubuntu websited there are no nice screenshots of the desktop or some of the apps?\
[01:06] <DreadKnight> am i missing something?
[01:07] <DreadKnight> man i want to introduce somebody to linux / ubuntu distro and i don't even know where to start
[01:07] <DreadKnight> the FAQ on kubuntu website is also dumb
[01:07] <vorian> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-release
[01:07] <DreadKnight> "what is kubuntu? A: an ubuntu derivate" come on wtf?
[01:08] <DreadKnight> the release is not for new comers and the screenshots are irelevant to them and tiny.
[01:08] <DreadKnight> r*
[01:09] <nixternal> fix them
[01:09] <nixternal> how come I don't see that question?
[01:10] <DreadKnight> ubuntu website is even more worse.
[01:10] <DreadKnight> i wonder what person or group i should talk to in order to get things right.
[01:11] <vorian> hmmm
[01:11] <nixternal> DreadKnight: for kubuntu's website, ryanakca and Riddell
[01:11] <nixternal> for Ubuntu's website, file a bug as they have paid developer(s) for theis website
[01:12] <DreadKnight> nixternal: i see; thanks, will probably talk to Riddell soon
[01:12] <DreadKnight>  What is Kubuntu?
[01:12] <DreadKnight> Kubuntu is the first Ubuntu derived distribution. Our Kubuntu CDs are made up of Ubuntu's base plus KDE. You can get exactly the same effect by installing Ubuntu and adding the KDE packages (and removing the Gnome packages) from the Ubuntu archives.
[01:12] <nixternal> DreadKnight: ewww, good finds there
[01:12] <DreadKnight> i think somebody else bitched regarding this on his blog a while ago...
[01:13] <nixternal> ya, I love people who bitch...that's all they do...waste packets without helping...bitchers and assholes (besides me) belong on an island together w/o access to anything :)
[01:13] <DreadKnight> everything it's like plain wrong. can't manage to find nice stuff right away in order to convince someone that doesn't even know linux is free.....
[01:13] <nixternal> remember, our site is maintained by volunteers when they have the time to do so
[01:13] <DreadKnight> bitching is next to great feedback . :-)
[01:13] <nixternal> it has always been like that
[01:13] <nixternal> bitching is next to.... /ignore in irssi
[01:14] <DreadKnight> nixternal: yes; we are fighting for the same cause; want to make things better.
[01:14] <DreadKnight> hehe
[01:14] <nixternal> especially people who bitch, and nobody reads their blog except for like 4 peopls
[01:14] <nixternal> people
[01:14] <DreadKnight> bitching is showing care :D
[01:14] <nixternal> nah, bitching and moaning causes me to ignore
[01:14] <nixternal> constructive criticism makes me happy
[01:14] <DreadKnight> if they would care they would be saying "linux sucks" or just move along.
[01:15] <nixternal> bitching and moaning is the reason I am no longer married
[01:15] <nixternal> I don't blame her for leaving either :)
[01:15] <DreadKnight> haha
[01:15] <DreadKnight> having a girl friend with no similar hobbyes to talk about is not great.
[01:15] <DreadKnight> imho
[01:15] <nixternal> right now, my main focus, is trying to figure out what went retarded in Intrepid for Ant, RPM, and ZSH
[01:16] <nixternal> my x-wife is a former Red Hat employee who is now developing for the Government...we have a lot in common
[01:16] <DreadKnight> nice xD
[01:16] <nixternal> well except for the Red Hat part...DEBIAN > RED HAT!!!
[01:16] <DreadKnight> fedora?
[01:16] <DreadKnight> hehe
[01:16] <DreadKnight> i agree.
[01:16] <nixternal> pre-Fedora
[01:16] <DreadKnight> eek
[01:16] <nixternal> the military aircraft programs use Red Hat
[01:17] <nixternal> so don't fly in a military aircraft
[01:17] <DreadKnight> nixternal: you sound a little heart broken atm, mate; are you ok?
[01:17] <nixternal> hehe, this damn s/-/_/ issue is killing me
[01:17] <DreadKnight> this sounds a bit like it's recently or you are a bit depressed...
[01:17] <nixternal> I have grepped log after log and haven't gotten anywhere yet
[01:17] <nixternal> nah, this happened in 2001...no depression here except for the fact Intrepid is kicking my arse right now
[01:18] <DreadKnight> Riddell: ping
[01:18] <DreadKnight> nixternal: i understand
[01:19] <ryanakca> DreadKnight: *sigh*, how can I help you?
[01:19] <ryanakca> DreadKnight: the screenshot part I'm working on, we'll have something similar (essentially, the same thing, translated) as kubuntu-fr.org has on their front page
[01:19] <apachelogger> ryanakca: that is "did you try turning it off and on again?!"
[01:19] <DreadKnight> ryanakca: i see
[01:20] <DreadKnight> ryanakca: don't know about their site; not a fluent french speaker
[01:20] <ryanakca> DreadKnight: For the FAQ (I think that's what you were referring), feel free to submit blurbs to replace the current ones with
[01:21] <ryanakca> DreadKnight: under captures d'écran, Précédente = Previous, Suivante = Next
[01:21] <DreadKnight> ryanakca: the site really needs some guide where you could just drop-off windoze users and have them converted; so user friendly presentation / brief with lots of high-res images.
[01:21] <ryanakca> Lots of images == very bad for people on slow connections... which are very abundant in many parts of the world
[01:22] <DreadKnight> ryanakca: i say we should get together (whoever else wants) and work on this; perhaps this weekend?
[01:22] <DreadKnight> don't worry about slow connections that much.
[01:22] <ryanakca> DreadKnight: I'm away this weekend, however, next weekend would probably work.
[01:23] <DreadKnight> slow connection = most likely won't download a cd image very soon; would rather use bandwindth for something else.
[01:23] <apachelogger> this weekend is release party I guess
[01:23] <DreadKnight> oh
[01:23] <ryanakca> woah. Did usability just go out the window? :D
[01:23] <DreadKnight> too bad there are no release parties in my city :\
[01:23] <DreadKnight> ryanakca: can you say "good marketing" ?
[01:23] <DreadKnight> :D
[01:23] <DreadKnight> it seems out the window atm for me (i almost have my degree in management)
[01:24]  * ryanakca looks to nixternal for marketing
[01:24] <ryanakca> and apachelogger ;)
[01:24] <DreadKnight> it's pretty much a blog for kde-heads atm; nothing for the new people.
[01:24] <nixternal> ryanakca: wasabi
[01:24] <apachelogger> I hate marketing
[01:24] <DreadKnight> it's more likely it would convert another linux user, from another distro, to kubuntu.
[01:24] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I thought you were the one organising the team?
[01:25] <apachelogger> that doesn't imply that I like it, does it? :P
[01:25] <DreadKnight> but by far any chance of converting another operating system user to linux.
[01:25] <ryanakca> nah :D
[01:25] <nixternal> MARKETING ROCKS!
[01:25] <DreadKnight> that's the spirit xD
[01:25] <nixternal> 2 more classes until I am the marketing master of the world!
[01:25]  * nixternal hacks on ant a lil more
[01:26] <ryanakca> DreadKnight: tell you what. Head to http://wiki.kubuntu.org and create a page under KubuntuWebsite/ saying what you think we should change and why, and bring it to a meeting and everybody can look over it and go yay or nay :)
[01:26] <apachelogger> that is aye or nay
[01:26] <DreadKnight> ryanakca: so i just need to create an user, recall having one on the ubuntu wiki... hmm.. or the romanian ubuntu wiki? need editing rights?
[01:26]  * apachelogger usually goes with aye, because it sounds so piratish
[01:27] <DreadKnight> argh
[01:27] <DreadKnight> xD
[01:27] <apachelogger> lp login == wiki login
[01:27] <DreadKnight> right
[01:27] <ryanakca> Also, you should probably add the ``how'' we can achieve what you suggest for extra brownie points :)
[01:27] <DreadKnight> i <3 cookies! ^_^
[01:27] <DreadKnight> not :D
[01:28] <DreadKnight> of course
[01:30] <DreadKnight> ok guys, i will get into it when i get some time :-)
[01:31] <DreadKnight> *
[01:31]  * DreadKnight is damn tired atm
[02:10] <vorian> !info darkroom
[02:10] <vorian> omg
[04:19] <nixternal> g'nite
[05:09] <meson10> I am unable to build kdeui module of PyKDE.. it displays sipkdeuipart0.cpp:3787: warning: unused parameter ?a3' and stays working for next few hours to come....
[12:39] <ScottK> If someone is looking for a pythonish project to get involved in, I recently saw mention that mnemosyne 2.0 is going to switch to phonon for a backend and the author is looking for help.
[12:39] <ScottK> It's hosted on LP.
[12:41] <Riddell> "Automatic Revision Control for Files" why does that need multimedia?
[12:42] <ScottK> No.
[12:43]  * ScottK needs to find it.
[12:45] <ScottK> Found it.
[12:45] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/mnemosyne-proj
[12:45] <ScottK> I guess the revision control guy signed up first.
[12:48] <hunger> amazing that two people came up with the same pseudo-random letter sequence to name their project.
[12:49] <ScottK> hunger: It's the Greek god of memory.  Makes sense for both.
[13:04] <rgreening> omg ScottK you know too much. ever been on Jeopardy!
[13:04] <ScottK> Nope.
[13:05] <ScottK> Those people actually have to study up.  To much work.
[13:05] <apachelogger> \sh: can I make mini-dinstall process 'intrepid-proposed' packages properly?
[13:05] <apachelogger> currently it craps out because it can't find it in the distro whitelist apparently
[13:06] <ScottK> Also, to be honest, I helped with the initial packaging of mnemosyne in Gutsy, so it's non-random that I know that.
[13:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: It should be easy enough to grep the source for the right spot to tickle.
[13:06] <apachelogger> didn't find it
[13:06] <apachelogger> my current guess is that it gets the list from apt_pkg, which is a binary lib
[13:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: What package is that in?
[13:07]  * ScottK goes to make coffee
[13:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: python-apt
[13:13]  * ScottK looks
[13:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: python-apt has the templates for intrepid-proposed.
[13:27] <\sh> apachelogger: then whitelist intrepid-proposed ;) but normally you can tell mini-dinstall to avoid checking the distro whitelist
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> smarter: did kubuntu_01_kmousetool_remember_minimize.diff get applied upstream?
[13:29] <smarter> JontheEchidna: I commited it in trunk and backported it myself :)
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> nice :)
[13:29]  * JontheEchidna removes for 4.1.3
[13:41] <hunger> is there any ETA for the kde bluetooth fix?
[13:45] <ScottK> No.
[13:47] <Riddell> hunger: you could try compiling trunk and see if it has got anywhere yet (/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/solid/bluez/)
[13:47] <hunger> Riddell: OK.
[13:47] <hunger> Riddell: Will take a couple of hours on my laptoy though.
[13:49]  * hunger is always amazed how many patches git imports whenever he updates the kde code from its svn.
[14:37] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: added the kcrash you asked for :)
[14:44] <Nightrose> hehe Riddell - you linked to techbase in the release notes right?
[14:44] <Nightrose> i am getting a massive amount of traffic from techbase since yesterday :P
[14:45] <Nightrose> one of my blogentries is linked on the "is kde 4 for you" page
[14:45] <Tm_T> aww
[14:46] <Nightrose> -> kubuntu = success
[14:54] <Riddell> Nightrose: :)
[15:12] <\sh> Kubuntu is always success ;)
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> the bug tracker is humming today
[15:34] <Riddell> humming like an angel :)
[16:46]  * hunger hates updating right after a release.
[16:46] <hunger> Servers are so slow then.
[16:51]  * rgreening has a direct pipe to the internet cranium :)
[16:51] <supertones> has anyone had success installign qt creator?
[16:52] <supertones> i'm getting a seg fault
[16:53] <rgreening> read that... http://udienz.immteknik.org/2008/10/ubuntu-intrepid-ibex-is-out.html I don't think the upgrade method is advisable the way he suggest...
[16:53] <rgreening> bet you see some b0rked upgrades due to that
[17:02] <rgreening> huzzah!
[17:03] <rgreening> Riddell: on planet.ubuntu.net, my posts always appear down in the list. I think theirs a tz issue going on... any ideas?
[17:05] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: I set the time zone of my blog to UTC to avoid this issue :P
[17:06] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: so, nothing to change in planet, just on the blog site?
[17:06] <rgreening> I use blogger.com
[17:06] <sebas> rgreening: probably a good idea to post a comment stating how to upgrade in the right way
[17:07] <rgreening> sebas: I was thinking about it. I just wanted to ensure I was correct in assuming the user posted something very wrong.
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[17:08] <Riddell> are you really -02:30 ?
[17:08] <Riddell> assuming I'm reading that right
[17:08] <rgreening> yeah, NDT
[17:08] <rgreening> DST is in effect
[17:08] <rgreening> usually, it's -3:30
[17:08] <smarter> über strange time
[17:09] <Riddell> where is that?
[17:09] <rgreening> Newfoundland, it's an island
[17:09]  * ScottK was going to say somewhere near Gander.
[17:10] <rgreening> lol... Gander is in the middle of it. We are famous for helping the 9-11 stranded planes
[17:10] <ScottK> Right, but you don't live in Gander, do you?
[17:11]  * ScottK guesses not, but that describing you as being near Gander is pretty safe.
[17:12] <rgreening> Riddell: so any ideas?
[17:13] <rgreening> Gander is like a 6 hour drive.. so close in a grand scale, but no cigar ... I'm in St. John's, oldest city in north america. location to the first transatlantic wireless signal.
[17:13] <Riddell> rgreening: nope, assuming that really is when you wrote it all should be fine
[17:13] <ScottK> From here, that's close.
[17:14] <rgreening> Riddell, on planet, other seemingly future dated posts show up after mine, but were bosted before I finished mine
[17:14] <ScottK> rgreening: Does your post have the time you started drafting it or the time you published it?
[17:14] <rgreening> like, one was posted at 2:43 (but is now just 2:43)
[17:15] <rgreening> ScottK: hmm.. good question.. 1 sec
[17:16] <rgreening> OMG. It's not honoring DST. Blogspot is not aware it's -2:30 and not -3:30. It thinks I posted and hour earlier than it is. grr...
[17:16]  * rgreening slaps blogspot
[17:18] <rgreening> hmm... no, actually it's logging the time the post was initiated rather than posted. How stupid
[17:19] <ScottK> rgreening: So type elsewhere and then copy/paste when ready.
[17:20] <rgreening> yeah. but it is being tes supido
[17:22] <rgreening> hmm... no, I still think planet is wrong having gone back and looked again.
[17:22]  * ScottK heads out to the Kindergarden Halloween party (actually called a Fall Festival or some such, but we all know what it is).
[17:23]  * ScottK bets on blogspot stupidity at the end of the analysis.
[17:25] <Riddell> anyone got a gmail address?
[17:26] <rgreening> Riddell: I think planet is expecting the tz in UTC or GMT and subtracting from the post time in the blog feed. If I look in akgregator, It shows my blog as being posted 11:34 (which coincides with 2:04 NDT).Maybe it's the other users posts and their tz messed up..
[17:26] <rgreening> I got gmail
[17:27] <rgreening> roderick {dot} greening {at} gmail.com
[17:27] <rgreening> at any rate, I blame planet and/or the other users :)
[17:27] <Riddell> rgreening: just sent a test e-mail, can you check it arrives and isn't categorised as spam?
[17:28] <rgreening> kk
[17:29] <rgreening> Riddell it marked as SPAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!
[17:29] <Riddell> mm, thought so
[17:29] <Riddell> thanks
[17:29] <rgreening> np
[17:30] <rgreening> It's the 19inch in the header
[17:30] <rgreening> :)
[17:30] <rgreening> cause we all know that's for male enhancement
[17:30] <rgreening> s/male/mail
[17:30] <rgreening> :)
[17:31] <Riddell> goodness, what a mind, everyone knows that the width of a telecoms rack
[17:31] <rgreening> Nope, mine is 21inches
[17:32] <rgreening> :)
[17:32] <rgreening> or was that 23?
[17:32] <rgreening> lol
[17:32] <rgreening> anyway, we all know size doesn't matter, unless it's listed in the header of an e-mail and caught by the smal filter :)
[17:33] <rgreening> s/smal/smap
[17:33] <rgreening> s/smap/spam
[17:33] <rgreening> kant spel-itis
[17:35] <IppatsuMan> Hi :) I'm using Kubuntu 8.10 (clean install). Everything works fine except unmounting my external hdd. KDE doesn't unmount the partitions saying that the device is used by an application. In fact fuser reports that it is used by kded, I have to kill it to unmount the device. I didn't find any bug report about this on launchpad. Is it ok to report it as bug of kdelibs-bin?
[17:36] <IppatsuMan> Sorry if this is the wrong channel for such questions
[17:37] <DaSkreech> rgreening: Kblogger :)
[17:38] <Riddell> IppatsuMan: kded or kded4?
[17:38] <DaSkreech> kded got killed? Ah the tirony
[17:38] <IppatsuMan> kded
[17:40] <IppatsuMan> ps reports it as "kded [kdeinit] --new-startup"
[17:41] <IppatsuMan> actually ls -l /proc/<pid>/exe says it is /usr/bin/kdeinit
[17:42] <Riddell> IppatsuMan: kdelibs issue indeed then
[19:38] <rgreening> Riddell: bug 273987
[19:38] <rgreening> seems maybe a threading issue
[19:51] <totoro7> hello, what can I do if I think I've found a bug?
[19:54] <totoro7> vlc is segfaulting when I try to open jpegs from command line in kubuntu 8.10 x64, should I consider this a bug?
[19:56] <totoro7> am I asking this in the right place? dreadful sorry if it isn't the case
[19:57] <a|wen> totoro7: please ask support questions in #kubuntu normally, they can also guide you to report a bug if necessary... but to answer; i don't think vlc support jpegs
[19:57] <totoro7> oh... but isn't a segfault a bad reaction to unsupported formats?
[19:58] <totoro7> and it does try to draw something, at least it flashes a black screen before crashing
[19:59] <totoro7> (other media formats playing ok btw)
[19:59] <a|wen> totoro7: it works in hardy; so looks like it is a bug
[19:59] <a|wen> totoro7: please see if the same bug is already reported here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc ... if not there is a "report bug"
[19:59] <a|wen> button
[20:03] <totoro7> hmmm... didn't find anything that looks like what I'm experiencing. I'll see what I can do there then
[20:03] <totoro7> thanks
[20:35]  * SiNiESTrO is away: Ausente por ahora.
[20:50] <th13f> Hi.
[20:51] <DaSkreech> !hi
[20:51] <th13f> How can I help to develop Kubuntu?
[20:51] <th13f> I know how to devel on python
[22:20] <rgreening> o/
[22:25] <JohnFlux2> hey all
[22:26] <JohnFlux2> okay I got half way through a kubuntu install, and it failed due to read errors.  I installed over my current kubuntu system so I can't reburn etc
[22:27] <JohnFlux2> i mounted the half-installed drive and chrooted into it
[22:27] <JohnFlux2> apt-get update  doesn't work because /var/lib doesn't exist
[22:27] <JohnFlux2> any chance that I could recover manually from this point?
[22:28] <JohnFlux2> does the install basically just install .deb packages on the iso?
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> most of the debs you need are in a single file that usually gets mounted as a filesystem
[22:29] <JohnFlux2> right, as a squashfs
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> as long as you mount that I suppose in theory it'd be possible
[22:29] <JohnFlux2> well I can install packages also from the internet
[22:29] <JohnFlux2> since I have internet access (i'm running the 'install' program from the live cd setup
[22:31] <JohnFlux2> having a look around, it seems that apt-get isn't really setup
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> heh
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> well if you do manage to cobble together a usable system you might want to reinstall anyway
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> but I guess it can't get much worse than what you have right now
[22:32] <JohnFlux2> not sure how to proceed heh
[22:33] <JohnFlux2> i even did the check-cd-for-errors thing :(
[22:33] <JohnFlux2> in the boot menu
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> honestly I wouldn't know how to get that working either
[22:33] <JohnFlux2> hehe
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> have you tried taking up voodoo?
[22:34] <DaSkreech> Yes
[22:34] <DaSkreech> i mean
[22:34] <DaSkreech> umm
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> lol
[22:35] <JohnFlux2> DaSkreech: do you come into #physics ?
[22:36] <DaSkreech> I sometimes go around it
[22:36] <JohnFlux2> heh
[22:37] <DaSkreech> so you did a clean install over the old?
[22:38] <JohnFlux2> yeah
[22:38] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I'm about the reboot and install from scratch... wish me luck :)
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> g/l
[22:38] <rgreening> ty
[22:39] <JohnFlux2> can I install from usb? :)
[22:39] <JohnFlux2> can I net install from the CD? :)
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> JohnFlux2: maybe this will be of help? http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2008/10/15/ubuntu-810-persistent-flash-drive-install-from-live-cd
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> It's ubuntu but if you have a big enough pendrive you should be able to burn a new iso
[22:43]  * JohnFlux2 nods
[22:44] <JohnFlux2> how do I install apt? :)
[22:45] <smarter> apt-get install apt? :P
[22:45] <JohnFlux2> i should check to see if dpkg is setup
[22:45] <smarter> try dpkg -l
[22:45] <JohnFlux2> i should be able to download an apt-get package right?
[22:46] <smarter> apt package
[22:46] <smarter> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/apt
[22:46] <smarter> assuming you have all the deps already installed
[22:46] <JohnFlux2> oh btw, the live cd is set to, i think, 75dpi fonts or so
[22:46] <JohnFlux2> it might be worth making the default 100dpi
[22:46] <JohnFlux2> better too large than being too small and unreadable
[22:47] <smarter> might be a problem with your monitor or X.org
[22:47] <smarter> but forcing the default would be bad
[22:47] <JohnFlux2> i'm not really talking about me
[22:47] <smarter> 100dpi is not good for every monitor
[22:47] <smarter> most of the time, xorg should detect the good setting
[22:47] <JohnFlux2> not everyone has good eyesight
[22:48] <JohnFlux2> if you have good eyesight, it's easy to go from 100dpi back to 75dpi
[22:48] <JohnFlux2> if you have bad eyesight, it's near impossible to find out how to go from 75dpi to 100dpi
[22:48] <smarter> it depends on your monitor really
[22:48] <smarter> hardcoding it to 100dpi would create more problems than it would fix
[22:48] <JohnFlux2> okay i'm mixing terminology somewhat.   X calls it 'virtual dpi' i think
[22:49] <JohnFlux2> the point being to make everything larger
[22:49] <JohnFlux2> i'm thinking of some very easy way to switch to large fonts when you start up
[22:50] <smarter> when the live-CD is started up, you can choose "accessibility" or something
[22:50] <smarter> and with one of the accessibility profile there's big fonts
[22:50] <smarter> (but it's disabled in Kubuntu 8.10 due to it not being completely ported to kde4)
[22:50] <JohnFlux2> yeah, just hard to do that if you can't really read becaue the font is too small...
[22:51] <JohnFlux2> anyway, i guess a spin-off distro could do that
[22:51] <JohnFlux2> i'm just thinking aloud
[22:51] <smarter> nop, just when it starts, when you choose language and press enter
[22:51] <smarter> that's big enough here, no? :]
[22:51] <JohnFlux2> I mean have a specialist 'blind-buntu' distro or something that has nice defaults for people who can't see that well
[22:51] <smarter> *there
[22:52] <smarter> that should be an accessibility profile for Kubuntu/Ubuntu, no needs to make a distro just for that
[22:52] <rgreening> hey smarter
[22:52] <smarter> hey rgreening
[22:52] <smarter> installation going on?
[22:53] <rgreening> yeah.. just starting. Booted from DVD
[22:53] <rgreening> she's about to be flattened
[22:53] <rgreening> :)
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> I would want to make a separate partition for all my musics and stuff before I did any flattening project like that
[22:55] <smarter> that's called /home and everybody does that :p
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> well I'd like to wipe /home every once and a while too
[22:55] <smarter> rm -r .* ?
[22:56] <smarter> (not to be confused with ./*, . or * :P)
[22:57] <JohnFlux2> no don't do that
[22:57] <JohnFlux2> .*   includes the directories  "." and ".."
[22:58] <JohnFlux2> so basically that's deleting the whole of /home
[22:58] <smarter> nop
[22:58] <smarter> .* include the files and directory which starts with .
[22:58] <smarter> I'm pretty sure of thart
[22:58] <smarter> *that
[22:58] <smarter> and *start too
[22:59] <rgreening> smarter, JontheEchidna: I have a 320 GB external for movies, music, etc...
[22:59] <JohnFlux2> is there a way to setup the default /etc/sources.list ?
[23:00] <rgreening> smarter is correct JohnFlux2
[23:00] <smarter> JohnFlux2: actually you are half-right, with bash .* includes . and .., but rm can't remove the directory where you are
[23:00] <rgreening> exactly
[23:00] <smarter> but with zsh(which everybody should uses :P) it does not
[23:00] <JohnFlux2> smarter: why not?
[23:00] <smarter> "rm: cannot remove directory `.'"
[23:01] <rgreening> and it doesn't own .., root does
[23:01] <JohnFlux2> rm: cannot remove directory `.'
[23:01] <JohnFlux2> doh
[23:01] <smarter> yup
[23:01] <JohnFlux2> strange, why can't it delete . ?
[23:02] <smarter> common sense? :}
[23:02] <smarter> if . is deleted, where are you?
[23:02] <rgreening> exactly...
[23:02] <rgreening> haha
[23:02] <smarter> (same for ..)
[23:03] <smarter> anyway, use zsh people, it's just better :P
[23:03] <smarter> *uses
[23:23] <JohnFlux2> There's no 8.10 section on https://help.ubuntu.com/
[23:24] <JohnFlux2> hmm, what happens if I do "suspend to disk" on a live cd
[23:25] <rgreening> shouldn't work unless a suitable swap exists.
[23:25] <rgreening> if a suitable swap exists, it may work... never tested it though
[23:37] <rgreening> 95% installed
[23:41] <DaSkreech> smarter: JohnFlux2 is right it will delete everythign above it
[23:41] <smarter> DaSkreech: only with bash, and rm prevents deleting the directory if you're inside it
[23:44] <smarter> 'night everybody
[23:44] <rgreening> nn
[23:55] <JohnFlux2> all sorted out
[23:55] <JohnFlux2> I installed manually
[23:56] <JohnFlux2> it would be nice to have the startup do   mdadm --assemble --scan
[23:56] <JohnFlux2> it's a safe operation to do
[23:56] <JohnFlux2> and would mean that soft raid 'just works'
[23:59] <JohnFlux2> I think actually it comes down to a single kernel configuration option that hasn't been set