[00:00] <amd-64> just wondered do i really need the alternate cd?, will i be missing alot of multi-media software?
[00:01] <ardchoille> amd-64: the desktop and alternate cd's are the same, the only difference is the gui
[00:01] <Elgordo123> amd-64:  --nevermind- ardchoille got it :)
[00:01] <ardchoille> alternate is text-based
[00:01] <genii> amd-64: The system it installs is identical to the livecd. However, because it does not have an operating system running from the cd, there is room for more drivers which makes it less likely to experience install issues
[00:01] <weedar> ardchoille: really? In Hardy you needed the alternate cd to install to an encrypted filesystem, though that might have changed now..
[00:01] <Elgordo123> amd-64: as far as "Extra" stuff, it's best to download it from repos, then you know your getting the latest anyway..
[00:02] <amd-64> k thx, all wow alot of answers hehe
[00:02] <tuxs> hello
[00:02] <ardchoille> Elgordo123: good point
[00:02] <tuxs> Kubuntu 8.10 DVD Version included KDE4?orKDE3?
[00:03] <ardchoille> tuxs: no, it includes the same thing as the desktop iso and some additional packages
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> tuxs: KDE4
[00:03] <weedar> tuxs: It's all KDE4 from now on :)
[00:03] <xp-killer> how do i get in compiz room?
[00:03] <ardchoille> oh, read that wrong, sorry
[00:03] <weedar> xp-killer: /j #compiz
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> xp-killer: /join #compiz-fusion
[00:03] <beta-guy> what password do I put in when I type su in konsole?
[00:03] <weedar> beta-guy: the one you logged in with
[00:03] <ardchoille> beta-guy: sudo, not su, and you use your password
[00:03] <genii> beta-guy: UJse sudo -i     instead of su
[00:03] <xp-killer> witch one better fusion or compiz?
[00:03] <ardchoille> su won't work because the root account is locked
[00:03] <xp-killer> ? :s
[00:04] <beta-guy> tried it, it says authorization failed
[00:04] <tuxs> weedar:WOW!!
[00:04] <tuxs> JontheEchidna:very thx!
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> np
[00:04] <amd-64> is it only a bittorrent download?, i just wanted a normal one, torrent seems to take me longer,
[00:04] <Darthfrog> !sudo  | beta-guy
[00:05] <ardchoille> amd-64: torrents can start out looking like they will take longer but that goes down fast
[00:05] <beta-guy> why is it sudo, and not su?
[00:05] <ardchoille> beta-guy: because the root account is locked
[00:05] <ardchoille> !root
[00:05] <beta-guy> well how do I unlock root?
[00:06] <ardchoille> beta-guy: you don't, all you need is sudo
[00:06] <ardchoille> beta-guy: I've been using Ubuntu for years and have never needed to unlock root, everything can be done with sudo
[00:06] <genii> beta-guy: We don't help you with that because you can ork your system
[00:06] <genii> *bork
[00:06] <amd-64> k thx again all,  *sob* says bye to kde3 set up so right, hehe
[00:07] <ardchoille> beta-guy: everyone knows you have a root account and I can sit here all day trying to brute force it, but that isn't possible if root is locked, it an extra measure of protection
[00:08] <xp-killer> how do i know if im on feity gutsy ?.....
[00:08] <ardchoille> xp-killer: in a term type; lsb_release -a
[00:08] <genii> beta-guy: By the time you know enough about your system to understand how to unlock root, you should by then understand why not to
[00:08] <ardchoille> genii: :)
[00:09] <xp-killer> ardchoille: im seing 8.04 hardy is it that?
[00:10] <ardchoille> xp-killer: Yep, you're on Hardy, a good release :)
[00:10] <xp-killer> ardchoille: is it the last one?
[00:10] <ardchoille> xp-killer: the newest is 8.10, Intrepid Ibex
[00:10] <Darthfrog> genii: Convenience and security are trade-offs.  Forcing the use of sudo is the compromise that Ubuntu settled upon.  It's a good one.
[00:10] <xp-killer> ardchoille: is the 8.10 stable?
[00:11] <ardchoille> xp-killer: it goes like this: year.month = 8.10 (2008.October)
[00:11] <xp-killer> oh ok
[00:11] <ardchoille> xp-killer: That depends on who you talk to. I'll wait until 9.04 and see how kde4 is then
[00:11] <xp-killer> so every year on oct there a new version?
[00:11] <ardchoille> two times per year
[00:11] <genii> Darthfrog: It can be easily overcome. But the user should learn themselves and take responsibility for it, and not be recommended here to do it when they do not know the possible repercussions
[00:11] <Darthfrog> xp-killer: Every 6 months.  Next version is next April.
[00:11] <ardchoille> usually 04 and 10
[00:11] <xp-killer> ok
[00:12] <marekt> i saw this beautiful theme, how cain i install int in kde4? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Glassified?content=81388
[00:12] <xp-killer> ardchoille: i taught kd4 was finish already its being a year i havent touch linux befor i left it i heard about the kde4
[00:12] <ardchoille> that is a nice theme
[00:12] <Elgordo123> I've been using kde4 for about 2 months now without any problems.  I've installed 8.10 already
[00:12] <Darthfrog> genii: I was once told that I shouldn't tell anyone how to enable the root account unless I was willing to be here 24/7 to provide support.  That was enough for me! :-)  Sudo it is.
[00:13] <genii> Darthfrog: eXACTLY :)
[00:13] <genii> Bah, capslock :)
[00:13] <ardchoille> xp-killer: some folks find it good while others want to wait. try the livecd and see for yourself :)
[00:13] <Elgordo123> The only thing with kde4 is a few things they moved around... and the desktop icon difference.
[00:13] <xp-killer> ardchoille: gutsy is wat version?
[00:14] <ardchoille> xp-killer: 7.10?
[00:14] <zarlino> xp-killer: i'm installing a new pc, i have to say kde4 is far from complete
[00:14] <ardchoille> yeah, 7.10
[00:14] <xp-killer> k
[00:14] <Elgordo123> xp-killer?  In what way?  What dont you like about kde 4?
[00:14] <Elgordo123> Since 4.2 (or 4.12)?  came out it has been rock solid for me
[00:15] <ardchoille> Elgordo123: you meant that for zarlino?
[00:15] <xp-killer> Elgordo123: i never said i didnt like it im saying they are taken very long to bring it out
[00:15] <Elgordo123> oh
[00:15] <xp-killer> im back to a newbe level on linux
[00:15] <Elgordo123> Yes, they really shouldn't have announced it like they did.  That should have waited til 4.1
[00:15] <ardchoille> hehe
[00:15] <xp-killer> i forgot everything
[00:16] <ardchoille> xp-killer: well, kde4 is quite a jump from kde3.5.10
[00:16] <zarlino> Elgordo123: they should wait another 6 months :(
[00:16] <Elgordo123> I've been using linux for years.  The kicker for me was the last time outlook crashed and I got a virus and wiped out my porn.   That was MY turning point :)
[00:16] <xp-killer> k
[00:16] <yeltsinator> lol
[00:16] <xp-killer> what all i have to install to run compiz on my pc?
[00:17] <Darthfrog> The best thing I've heard about KDE 4 is that KDE is no longer playing catch-up on the desktop, it's now innovating.  I can hardly wait to see what the guys come up with in the future.
[00:17] <yeltsinator> God invented the NAS for just such a situation Elgordo123;)
[00:17] <genii> xp-killer: Basically just comoiz itself and the settings manager
[00:17] <genii> *compiz
[00:17] <Elgordo123> yeltsinator:   Got that now too! :)
[00:17]  * yeltsinator is in the process of moving files from his old 3 TB file server to his new 7 TB file server
[00:18] <yeltsinator> 12 hours done, 505 GB of 2.9 TB done..
[00:18] <Elgordo123> Yikes, I'm just sitting here waiting for my 109 Gig's to restore from my backup to my fresh 8.10 install.   TB?'s  ouch
[00:18] <tarek_> hello
[00:18] <yeltsinator> It's going to take 70 hours, probably
[00:19] <Elgordo123> geez...
[00:19] <tarek_> how to connect to ESSID using terminal please?
[00:20] <genii> If he hadn't left so soon he might have gotten an answer
[00:20] <Elgordo123> doh... was just looking at my notes for wireless via terminal...
[00:21]  * genii 's notes for CLI wireless:   "man iwconfig"
[00:21] <Darthfrog> genii: And wpa_supplicant.
[00:22] <genii> Yes.
[00:22] <Elgordo123> Man.... why oh why did I untar all those files,  now I have to wait for my backup to copy over the tar AND the source...
[00:22] <Elgordo123> <-- Hits himself in forhead while saying "Stupid, Stupid"...
[00:24] <genii> Heh. the CLI wireless guy popped up again but in #ubuntu now
[00:25]  * Dashkal discovers the way to configure plasma themes
[00:25] <Dashkal> Ok, my desktop looks beautiful... now if only those things spanned into window decorations...
[00:27] <zarlino> Darthfrog: the big innovation of KDE4 will be being replaced by gnome for at least a year
[00:27] <zarlino> Darthfrog: on my new pc i mean
[00:27] <Darthfrog> zarlino: I don't follow?
[00:27] <zarlino> Darthfrog: sorry just ranting
[00:28] <Darthfrog> zarlino: Ah, I see.  Well, that's the thing about choice.  you get to make your own.
[00:28] <genii> I've found in general the X.2 releases of KDE to be the classic or so. 3.2 for example
[00:28] <zarlino> Darthfrog: i used kde for years
[00:28] <zarlino> Darthfrog: 6 years at the least
[00:28]  * genii waits for 4.2
[00:28] <ubuntu> :)
[00:28] <zarlino> Darthfrog: i'm almost crying since i cannot use kde on my new pc
[00:29] <Darthfrog> Why not?
[00:29] <Elgordo123> i had an old laptop that wouldn't handle kde4 either.
[00:30] <zarlino> Darthfrog: no macosx style menubar, does not remember screen resolution, randomly switches back to oxygen theme, applets automatically align to fill the whole panel
[00:30] <Darthfrog> Elgordo123: You could always stay with KDE 3.5.  There's nothing wrong with it and it's very mature.
[00:30] <Elgordo123> But kde/gnome is like ford or chevy,   just personal preference.  I like that kde for me seems more integrated and more "slick".
[00:30] <Elgordo123> yeah i used 3.5 on it, but now it's on my list of things to do.. turn it into a digital picture frame...
[00:30] <zarlino> Darthfrog: putting the panel on the top covers that topright corner button
[00:31] <ardchoille> you can always use a window manager like fluxbox and then use kde apps there :)
[00:31] <ardchoille> That's probably what I'll  do
[00:31] <Darthfrog> zarlino: I'm sure that with the plasmoids you could get your Mac OS X style menubar.  And can you not use krandrtray to set your screen resolution?
[00:31] <Elgordo123> fluxbox is nice.  I use that as my desktop when I vnc into my computer from work.
[00:31] <genii> e17 is also good
[00:32] <Elgordo123> kde4 as main desktop, but then vncserver starts fluxbox .. sweet
[00:32] <ardchoille> genii: Aye, it is
[00:32] <weedar> Does firefox in Intrepid use qt or has it always looked like this?
[00:32] <Darthfrog> zarlino: Well, stay with KDE 3.5/Hardy.  There's no real necessity to upgrade to KDE 4/Intrepid, is there?
[00:32] <ardchoille> weedar: firefox is gtk, but there is a project in the works to port it to qt, but it's still alpha
[00:32] <zarlino> Darthfrog: too easy, i need newer apps
[00:32] <Elgordo123> I'm going to TRY to use konqueror instead of firefox and see how far I can get before I say to heck with it.
[00:32] <zarlino> Darthfrog: like inkscape, etc
[00:33] <ardchoille> Elgordo123: I lasted about 3 mintues with that
[00:33] <zarlino> Darthfrog: a useful pc is not just made of kde
[00:33] <tuxs> i want download link for Kubuntu 8.10 DVD Version!(Http or ftp!no Torrent!)Please...
[00:33] <Elgordo123> I probably will too!
[00:33] <Darthfrog> zarlino: Well, whatever works for you.  Is your install of Intrepid a new install or an upgrade of an existing system?
[00:33] <weedar> ardchoille: That's what I thought, but firefox looks different now..Right?
[00:34] <zarlino> Darthfrog: it is a new install on a cool fanless pc
[00:34] <ardchoille> weedar: I don't know, I don't use kde4
[00:34] <Darthfrog> tuxs: AFAIK, there are only CD ISO images, not DVD images.
[00:34] <weedar> ardchoille: I won't hold it against you
[00:34] <ardchoille> hehe
[00:34] <Darthfrog> zarlino: Sounds like a bad install.  Try it again?
[00:35] <supert0nes> don't cd images work on dvds?
[00:35] <zarlino> Darthfrog: i don't think so, i installed kubuntu so many times
[00:35] <zarlino> Darthfrog: this is buggy as hell
[00:35] <ardchoille> What do I need to be running in fluxbox for all of my kde apps to be using the kde styles/icons/windeco/etc ?
[00:36] <Darthfrog> zarlino: Well, file bug reports so that the developers know about your problems.
[00:36] <tuxs> Darthfrog:not DVD Ver?!!Why??what is this(http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/release/dvd/kubuntu-8.10-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent)
[00:36] <zarlino> Darthfrog: probably i will, but i feel it is so unprofessional to release this stuff on people
[00:37] <Elgordo123> you must be having some major problems their zarlino...
[00:37] <Darthfrog> tuxs: Hmm that's the first DVD image for Intrepid I've seen.
[00:37] <Darthfrog> zarlino: Please realise that your experience is not universal.  And any release is a trade-off.
[00:37] <Elgordo123> I tried the new mandrake a while back..   i really liked it.  but i prefer debian distros better
[00:38] <tuxs> Darthfrog::D
[00:38] <seba_> !es
[00:41] <marekt> h i tried co install new widgets from kde look, i stuck on "make",here is output http://pastebin.com/m570f22c3,please help
[00:41] <marekt> h i tried co install new widgets from kde look, i stuck on "make",here is output http://pastebin.com/m570f22c3 ,please help
[00:41] <genii> !repeat | marekt
[00:41] <ardchoille> marekt: First of all you should never compile as root
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> marekt: that plasmoid is too old
[00:42] <Elgordo123> I have a link on how to install *most* kde look widgets... i'll try to find it.
[00:42] <ardchoille> genii: he repeated because the url in the first one was borked
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> the email notify plasmoid is using the KDE 4.0.x api, and won't work with KDE 4.1 or newer
[00:43] <ardchoille> kde4 is going to disappoint a lot of people :(
[00:43] <genii> ardchoille: Yes, i see this now
[00:43] <ardchoille> genii: I didn't see it until firefox laughed at me :)
[00:43]  * genii hands marekt a coffee
[00:45] <Elgordo123> marekt:  I can't find the link.  It came from the ubuntu forums.  But here is what I have:
[00:45] <Elgordo123> untar, cd to that dir, mkdir build, cd build, cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix`.., make then make install
[00:46] <xp-killer> genii: im seing the compiz settings but its not doing no affects
[00:47] <memeemeee> so I'm still unable to connect through eth0 using a static ip in kubuntu. I've manually set up my /etc/network/interfaces and did /etc/init.d/network restart. nothing doing. PLEASE HELP. I've been trying for days now and noone seems to have an answer
[00:47] <genii> xp-killer: For specifically Compiz assistance, they are better equipped to handle your queries in #compiz-fusion
[00:47] <memeemeee> dr_willis, !
[00:47] <memeemeee> problems reemerged in the network setup. if it's a typeo I can't see it
[00:48] <marekt> Elgordo123 doent this, and i failed at make step :(
[00:48] <nb72> I need help.  I can't boot after an upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10.  Stuck at BusyBox screen.  Grub seems to be configured ok.  I can boot into recovery mode using the old kernel and to the root console, but that's about it.
[00:48] <Elgordo123> yeah it only works on *some* which one are you trying?
[00:49] <maarten_> hi everyone, I just finished installing 8.10, looks great
[00:49] <Elgordo123> I did quickaccess, plasma-weather and it worked
[00:49] <genii> memeemeee: What are the symptoms? It works at first then later fails, or never works, or what? Please describe more clearly the xact problem as you are seeing it
[00:49] <maarten_> I have one problem left to solve, al the widgets stick to the top left and don't want to be moved, any solutions for that?
[00:51] <ardchoille> maarten_: when you hover over the widgets, don't you get a little black bar with icons in it for each widget you hover?
[00:51] <benjamin> when you hover over the widget, it should give you a bar to one side, grab an open spot on it, and drag away
[00:51] <l3d> are there any screen shots of 8 10
[00:51] <ardchoille> benjamin: :)
[00:51] <benjamin> yeah, exactly :P
[00:52] <benjamin> if you don't get the bar, widgets may be locked, in which case you'll want to click on the dealy in the upper right corner and unlock them
[00:52] <ardchoille> l3d: try these: http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?os=kubuntu
[00:53] <ardchoille> I like the menu in kde4
[00:53] <ardchoille> s/kde4/Intrepid/
[00:53] <ardchoille> reminds me of slab
[00:55] <leleobhz> guys, kubuntu now uses kde 4.1 by default
[00:55] <leleobhz> but how about people used kde 4.1 in hardy via ppa packages?
[00:55] <leleobhz> my distupgrade claims to remove a lot of kde packages
[00:56] <tuxs> Darthfrog:another link for download Kubuntu 8.10 DVD ver:http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/release/dvd/kubuntu-8.10-dvd-amd64.iso
[00:56] <maarten_> ardchoille: yes, I get that black bar, and I can move the widget arround, but after moving it is back in the corner
[00:56] <ardchoille> maarten_: oh, ok
[00:56] <Darthfrog> tuxs: OK.  I believe you. :-)
[00:56] <ardchoille> sounds like there is a "lock widget" option you need to turn off or something like that
[00:58] <tuxs> Darthfrog:Heh:)
[01:04] <beta-guy> anyone know how to change the max resolution?
[01:06] <memeemeee> sorry genii I'll brb
[01:07] <dr_willis> beta-guy,  some times one needs to edit the xorg.conf to set up proper res's if they are not detected properly
[01:07] <dr_willis> !fixres
[01:09] <davemc> !sound
[01:10] <Roey> hi!
[01:10] <Roey> anyone else here having a problem with nvidia?
[01:10] <Roey> aaaaaahahaha, it's so messed up :(
[01:10] <Roey> No NVidia on Xen-enabled kernels apparently.  Is the new 2.46.27-7 kernel still Xen-enabled?
[01:11] <cuznt> !nvidia
[01:12] <Roey> thanks.
[01:12] <dr_willis> Cant say that i ever needed to use the xen kernel.
[01:12] <Roey> dr_willis:  on Ibex it is enabled by default.  NVidia drivers do not work on Xen-enabled kernels.
[01:13] <Roey> ubottu:  and thanks, but Ibex is not mentioned here
[01:16] <cuznt> !ibex
[01:16] <cuznt> woops
[01:16] <cuznt> !Xen
[01:24] <KeithSchwols>  
[01:24]  * genii sips a coffee
[01:25]  * dr_willis watches the circus in #ubuntu
[01:25] <genii> dr_willis: I'm also doing that :)
[01:26] <jtisme> dr_willis, why no circus here
[01:27] <dr_willis> everyone hates kde4 now? and are going back to gnome?
[01:27] <genii> dr_willis: Apparently. Not that I haven't been tempted, truth be told
[01:27] <jtisme> dr_willis, interesting i was thinking a little along those lines also
[01:28]  * genii hugs his 3.5.10 !
[01:28] <jtisme> i remember when gnome had yukky colors now they are better than kde
[01:28] <dr_willis> I just use whatever theme i want. :) i dont worry about the defaults
[01:29] <jtisme> me too but my first test run at kde4 was a little disappointing
[01:32] <mot_> anybody know of any tftp clients that will allow me to enter password for remote hosts?
[01:32] <memeemeee> dr_willis, genii  I need help with networking!I'm getting this error from dmesg" "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 transmit timed out"
[01:32] <npurciful> hum, i just wonder when bluetooth will work on Intrepid
[01:32] <mot_> i.e. trying to tftp something to my router but i need to be able to enter a password...
[01:32] <jtisme> dr_willis, it never ceases to amaze me how folks will load up the latest release on their primary machine then spend weeks working on the bugs instead of loading in a separate partition or another drive/machine and testing for a while
[01:33] <memeemeee> my /etc/network/interfaces file is configured correctly
[01:33] <memeemeee> but no connection to the router
[01:34] <dr_willis> jtisme,  i am amazed that people seem to think 'user friendly' means - the 'os teaches you step by step holding your hand, for every weird/obscure thing you want to do'
[01:34] <npurciful> that is why i am using hardy, i read the Release Notes and launchpad
[01:35] <rosco_y> what is a good screen-capture software for ubuntu?
[01:35] <jtisme> dr_willis, i actually found that having the splash option on the boot line for kubuntu prevents console 7 from displaying the Kde screen but having discovered that last night i did not want to upset the release freight train since they had sooooo much to do
[01:35] <npurciful> I just wondered if anyone here about solid bluez backport timeframe
[01:35] <jtisme> so i didnt report it and besides it probably is only happening on my nvidia 3200 card
[01:36] <jtisme> excuse 5200 card
[01:36] <rosco_y> I'd sure rather have nvidia than my ati
[01:37] <rosco_y> can anyone recommend a screen-capture software for ubuntu?
[01:37] <dr_willis> I always disable the splash and framebuffer by default
[01:39] <dr_willis> about the only issue im having so far with 8.10 is it not automountingmy vfat thumb drives
[01:39] <jmichaelx> i like ati cards, but i am not a gamer
[01:39] <dr_willis> If you are not a gamer.. does it really matter? :)
[01:40] <jtechidna> rosco_y: recordmydesktop-qt
[01:40] <don> rosco, what's wrong with ksnapshot?
[01:40] <jtechidna> oh, recordmydesktop-qt is only for video btw
[01:40] <jmichaelx> only that many gamers prefer nvidia, as i understand it
[01:40] <rosco_y> dunno, I haven't used any of them yet :/
[01:40] <genii> memeemeee: Please pastebin the files:  /etc/hosts  /etc/network/interfaces  /etc/resolv.conf       and the results of commands:   ifconfig eth0          route      and: tracepath <ip of router>
[01:40] <don> it is screen capture program
[01:41] <memeemeee> ok. It may take a bit because I've got to type it in manually
[01:41] <genii> memeemeee: You can just dump it to a usb stick or such, transfer to the box you are using now
[01:42] <dr_willis> Testing out that USB-creator tool now under 8.10 :)
[01:43] <dr_willis> anyone else find it annoying how the  Ubuntu cds. pop up that language dialog box at the very start hiding the main grub menu/options?
[01:43] <don> dr willis, I do but just hit esc and continue
[01:43] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: does that prevent a person from changing some configurations?
[01:43] <jtisme> dr_willis, yes little annoying
[01:44] <rosco_y> don: ksnapshot is nice, thank you
[01:44] <don> welcome
[01:44] <memeemeee> good point
[01:44] <jtisme> dr_willis, but i also see it on kubuntu
[01:44] <don> dont ya just love it when kubuntu is up and running great?
[01:45] <genii> kubuntu is always running great. It's just kde usually that gives me grief    ;)
[01:45] <tacosarecool> hello
[01:45] <jtisme> dr_willis, have you booted Ubuntu 8.10 yet
[01:45] <don> yes
[01:45] <tacosarecool> Do you know how too install kubuntu from ubuntu
[01:45] <jmichaelx> tacosarecool: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:46] <tacosarecool> thanks
[01:46] <jtisme> dr_willis, i get the uglyest default background looks like someone spilled a coke in the lower left of the display
[01:46] <apachelogger> jtechidna: do we has recordyourdesktop-qt in the archive at all?
[01:47] <tacosarecool> How do I close something that is not cooperating
[01:47] <jtechidna> apachelogger: recordmydesktop-qt
[01:47] <genii> !info krecordmydesktop
[01:47] <apachelogger> jtechidna: I don't seem to find it
[01:47] <jtechidna> oh, krecordmydesktop
[01:47] <tacosarecool> How do I close something
[01:48] <tacosarecool> If it's not working right
[01:48] <jmichaelx> until now i have never used floppies that much, especially in linux, but i have been trying to use floppies today in kubuntu intrepid and in a vbox install of vista, and am having all kinds of problems
[01:48] <tacosarecool> I can't close this
[01:48] <jtisme> tacosarecool, kill it with the kill command
[01:48] <apachelogger> nah
[01:48] <apachelogger> press ctrl+alt+esc
[01:48] <apachelogger> then you can click a window
[01:48] <apachelogger> and it gets killed
[01:48] <genii> tacosarecool: Or try ctrl-alt-esc , put X on offending one, click
[01:49] <genii> apachelogger: Heh :)
[01:49] <jmichaelx> i have to 'modprobe floppy' to get the floppy to mount
[01:49] <genii> jmichaelx: echo "floppy" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[01:49] <dr_willis> jtisme,  yeap - gotta 'graphic design artists'  and their original works
[01:49] <tacosarecool> thanks
[01:50] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,   having to load a module is 'all kinds of problems' ?
[01:51] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: no, it isn't, there are a few other issues... what is it to you?
[01:51] <jtisme> dr_willis, it is quite offending have to change that first off
[01:51] <dr_willis> jtisme,  actually with me keeping my own /home/ on its own parttiion. i rarely see such things
[01:52] <dr_willis> but i tend to go with simple solid colors...  or... hot babes.. :)
[01:52] <jtisme> dr_willis, elaborate on the separate /home/ thingy
[01:52] <jtisme> please
[01:52] <dr_willis> jtisme,  keep your /home  on its own partition.
[01:52] <dr_willis> My current wallpaper -> http://animal.discovery.com/convergence/ugly_dog/wallpaper/gallery/wallpaper07_1280.jpg
[01:53] <jmichaelx> the next issue i was having was not being able to mount the floppy drive after it is umounted.... and the next issue is that i can see the floppy in the vbox vista install, and can see the files, but cannot write to it
[01:53] <dr_willis> it must be mounted with the proper options, or else root will be the only one allowe3d to access it fully
[01:53] <jtisme> dr_willis, so /home/ in its own partition does what to the startup screen?
[01:54] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: ok, i think that may be the issue. i appreciate it.
[01:54] <dr_willis> jtisme,  i keep my home and all my settings - I dont see the 'new' artwork. because it uses my old settings/themes/wallpaper
[01:54] <jmichaelx> if dr_willis was even alking to me lol
[01:54] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  its also possible theres some floppy user/groups you may need tobe a member of.
[01:54] <jtisme> dr_willis, ahh i was just about to say that, interesting
[01:54] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: i did add myself to the floppy group
[01:55] <dr_willis> There can be some ISSUES with using  your old settings in home.. but normally those can be fixed by cleaning out your old settings..
[01:55] <dr_willis> some times gnome/kde may act funny after updates/upgrades to newer kde/gnome versions with some old settings
[01:55] <dr_willis> but thats getting rare these days
[01:55] <jtisme> dr_willis, i like that i will have to try that
[01:55] <jtisme> i have lots of partitions i can use
[01:56] <dr_willis> Of course it sucks when your /home fills up..and you got other partitions with lots-o-space
[01:56] <dr_willis> :)
[01:56] <jtisme> yeah bummer
[01:56] <don> When I am up and all running great I close my eyes to upgrade...not so cool lately..
[01:57] <jtisme> dr_willis, you are on here quite a bit what is your physical 10-4
[01:57] <dr_willis> Im in Indiana.
[01:57] <dr_willis> the land of corn and pigs.. and CB radios!
[01:57] <dr_willis> :)
[01:57] <jtisme> dr_willis, one hour behind eastern?
[01:57] <jmichaelx> i usually have little problems upgrading. i upgraded this laptop to intrepid a few days ago, and it went smoothly. i upgraded my desktop this morning, and trashed the whole install... having a separate /home made doing a fresh install so easy
[01:57] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: i am also in indiana
[01:58] <dr_willis> No one ever knows the time in Indiana.. we are right on the timezone line. :) Im in Kokomo
[01:58] <jmichaelx> a OT as that is
[01:58] <l3d> I know this channel is kubuntu  but I was wondering how I would install a new set of cursors on ubuntu?
[01:58] <don> about the same way I imagine
[01:58] <dr_willis> l3d,  fire up the theme settings tool, drag/drop package to it.. often works
[01:59] <l3d> even tho I am using ubuntu I like this channel better then the other one you all are nicer
[01:59] <jmichaelx> bloomington here, i have some friends east of kokomo
[01:59] <nun> what's the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu? is one smoother running or something?
[01:59] <don> dr willis I would like to know more about the usb tool..
[01:59] <tacosarecool> darn it froze
[01:59] <tacosarecool> Anyway
[01:59] <don> sounds interesting to me
[01:59] <tacosarecool> What's the command to install kubuntu on ubuntu
[01:59] <nun> i installed ubuntu on this pc but i gotta fix up another machine
[02:00] <kwtm> Hello!  How do I find out what files are contained in a package that I would like to install?  (I'm thinking of installing the package "libqbanking5" but would like to know whether it contains the file "qt3-wizard")
[02:00] <jtisme> nun just different developers and themes etc.
[02:00] <nun> ooh ok
[02:00] <bdizzle> remind me again how to check what wireless card I have on my laptop?
[02:00] <nun> i was kind of disappointed with ubuntu cause i couldnt login as root
[02:00] <kwtm> nun: Kubuntu and Ubuntu are set up differently so they have a different look and feel.
[02:01] <kwtm> nun: Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the same with regard to logging in as root: you just have to type in a 1-line command to do that.
[02:01] <nun> its user friendly and all but i miss having console boot up and not all the gui then i used to feel like a super elite nerd lol and running lynx
[02:01] <kwtm> nun: You type "sudo passwd root", and then enter the root password.  Then you can log in as root.
[02:01] <nun> no you cant on ubuntu
[02:01] <kwtm> nun: In Kubuntu and Ubuntu, you set it up to disable the graphics bootup, and it will run cmd-line.
[02:01] <nun> its disabled
[02:02] <ArkoldThos> all is possible~
[02:02] <nun> oh really? see i never really tinkered around with it yet
[02:02] <tacosarecool> Sorry
[02:02] <tacosarecool> What's the command to install kubuntu
[02:02] <tacosarecool> on ubuntu
[02:02] <tacosarecool> sudo apt get kubuntu-desktop?
[02:02] <ArkoldThos> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:02] <jtisme> kwtm  apt-cache show pkgname
[02:02] <jtechidna> tacosarecool: yes
[02:02] <nun> well i been looking for tile games for linux
[02:02] <genii> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:02] <mot_> question
[02:03] <don> sudo apt-get install kubuntu kde4 desktop
[02:03] <jwaldo> tacosarecool, I just installed the kubuntu-desktop package using the package manager
[02:03] <genii> Alternately: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[02:03] <jtechidna> kubuntu-desktop is recommended
[02:03] <nun> something like zelda or even something more 3d rpg or isometric tile.. anything really
[02:03] <jtisme> num mahjong is around
[02:03] <ArkoldThos> genii: that metapackage still exists on intrepid?
[02:03] <tacosarecool> kubuntu-desktop is kde 4 right
[02:03] <nun> i want something that wont get boring
[02:03] <mot_> is anybody else having the issue where upon rebooting (or restarting KDE) their widgets are reset back to default settings?
[02:03] <jwaldo> No command line cred for me :(
[02:03] <kwtm> jtisme: Thanks.  WIll try this.
[02:03] <nun> im not into card games or blocks lol
[02:03] <genii> ArkoldThos: I'd have to check.
[02:03] <nun> i got grand theft auto 2 working on ubuntu
[02:03] <nun> i just use wine though
[02:03] <kwtm> nun: If can't log in as root, log in as someone else, then run "su" command (and enter root passwd).  After you set the root passwd with "sudo passwd root", of course.
[02:03] <genii> ArkoldThos: If not then just kubuntu-desktop    :)
[02:03] <mot_> none of my widgets retain their size/positioning, my clock always has icons overlapping it, and if i drag program shortcuts to the bottom left near the launcher, upon reboot they're all gone
[02:03] <mot_> what should i do? =\
[02:04] <kwtm> GTG, brb
[02:04] <genii> kwtm_away: Don't recommend this to people please
[02:05] <nun> i should maybe start a project but its been years since i tried doing anything brainy with computers
[02:05] <jwaldo> Whoa, I can switch tabs with the scroll wheel
[02:05] <jtisme> genii dont recommend what please?
[02:05] <jwaldo> never noticed that until just now
[02:05] <nun> i have a fly problem..brb guys i got some killing to do
[02:05] <genii> jtisme: To set a root password
[02:06] <Roey> Hello, I'm experiencing difficulty getting NVidia to work on Intrepid Ibex.  Anyone know of a workaround?
[02:06] <Roey> or better yet, a solution?
[02:06] <jtisme> genii ok thanks i wanted to be sure what you were responding to thanks
[02:06] <jmichaelx> codeweavers was giving away free registration keys a few days ago to crossover office/games
[02:07] <robin> anyone know how to get gedega working on kubuntu 64
[02:09] <bdizzle> so is plasma the KDE response to Vista?
[02:10] <bdizzle> the only thing I'm a bit afraid of is not having the traditional "desktop" with trash can, and then my added icons of a link to home folder and to /media folder
[02:10] <OpenSorce> About to write a review on Kubuntu....last one I reviewed was 7.10 any particular improvements I should look for?
[02:11] <robin> anyone know how to get gedega working on kubuntu 64
[02:11] <genii> robin: Are you meaning cedega?
[02:11] <memeemeee> someone tell me the quick and easy way to mount usbdrive with CLI?
[02:11] <OpenSorce> Have the 'buntu folks learned to use drivers that work for video and wifi cards yet?
[02:12] <bdizzle> okay, this is strange
[02:12] <OpenSorce> mememe, mount -t <type> /dev/<dveice> /<mountpoint>
[02:12] <bdizzle> OpenSorce: its getting there
[02:12] <zabbadapp> no matter what icon theme I use, dolphin still show oxygen folders ... and many themes do not work from the download window.
[02:12] <genii> OpenSorce: Perhaps there might be more technical answers to your questions in #kubuntu-devel
[02:12] <kwtm_away> How do I tell IRC that I'm not away any more?
[02:12] <jtisme> memeemeee, linux file system usb's
[02:12] <kwtm> Oh, there we go.
[02:12] <bdizzle> how do I get normal write access to a mounted drive?
[02:12] <bdizzle> it lets me read the drive, but not write to it
[02:13] <memeemeee> sorry jtechidna ?
[02:13] <jtechidna> ?
[02:13] <memeemeee> sorry jtisme
[02:13] <OpenSorce> Genii, I (and my boss) prefer I talk to users raher than devs with a few exceptions
[02:13] <jtechidna> ;-)
[02:13] <jtisme> memeemeee, does the usb drive have a linux file system on it?
[02:13] <jmichaelx> is there a way to have previews for videos in dolphin in intrepid? i really miss that.
[02:13] <memeemeee> no
[02:14] <jtisme> memeemeee, Windows fs?
[02:14] <robin> yes cedega
[02:14] <OpenSorce> Oh well.....I'll just be surprised on the drivers thing. I have to download and install it anyway, so I'll find out..
[02:14] <memeemeee> i think its FAT
[02:14] <memeemeee> FAT32?
[02:14] <kwtm> genii: Agreed, but for someone who wants root, it can be just as frustrating to be forced to use sudo.  For example, when I switched from Mandrake, I was used to root.
[02:14] <OpenSorce> mememe, 16 or 32?
[02:14] <jtisme> memeemeee,   mount -t vfat /dev/sdXN  /mnt  should do it
[02:14] <bdizzle> does anyone know how to change permissions of a mounted partition from read to read / write
[02:14] <robin> cedega not seeing video card on kubuntu 64
[02:15] <genii> kwtm: Root is disabled by default in *buntu because many users are novices and can easily mess up their boxes badly by accident of typo for instance
[02:15] <OpenSorce> bdiz, it needs to be mounted read/write but you have to be careful with that
[02:15] <jtisme> bdizzle, look at  remount  option of  mount command
[02:15] <totoro7> hmmm... restricted driver nagger disappeared after first boot
[02:15] <bdizzle> oh okay, I see the issue, the permissions are set to root only
[02:15] <bdizzle> I need to set them to my username, but how?
[02:15] <genii> kwtm: For extended periods of superuser use, sudo -i is preferred
[02:16] <xevix> anybody got kdevelop 3 running on intrepid?  i keep getting "cannot talk to klauncher"
[02:16] <jtisme> bdizzle, probably for a reason :)
[02:16] <bdizzle> lol, no, I made the partition and wrote some data on it
[02:16] <bdizzle> but its still got 5 GB on it that I need to use to back up stuff
[02:16] <kwtm> genii: Agreed.  But, you know, I have to say, if someone asks how to log in as root, you can't hide that information from them.
[02:17] <OpenSorce> btw, last review cycle Mandriva got all the glory....this time it won't properly install and run on 6 out of 7 test boxes....so Kubuntu *may* come out on top
[02:17] <bdizzle> I want to try intrepid and KDE 4.2 in another week or so once it settles down a bit on the repos
[02:17] <bdizzle> but I have to back things up to be sure
[02:17] <totoro7> lazy newbie question: what's the shortcut to show desktop on kde 4?
[02:17] <genii> kwtm: If you provide that information and their system gets messy, who will fix it? you?
[02:17] <kwtm> genii: For people who are not novices... eg. I had already had scripts set up as root when I switched to Kubuntu from Mandrake, and I was glad to find out how to log in as root.  I'm not saying that we post this in Ubuntu Novice-HowTo, you know.
[02:17] <jtechidna> bdizzle: Intrepid comes with KDE 4.1.2, not KDE 4.2
[02:18] <bdizzle> so I need to change permission from root to my user, but I can't seem to find out how to do that
[02:18] <bdizzle> oh, okay
[02:18] <kwtm> genii: You are so absolutely right and I am so absolutely wrong that I will no longer question your wisdom.
[02:18] <jtechidna> 4.2 is alpha right now iirc
[02:18] <bdizzle> I thought it was 4.2 and they had fixed all the bugs in plasma
[02:18] <jtechidna> \o/
[02:18] <OpenSorce> genii, you're a bit of a knowledge miser :-)
[02:19] <bdizzle> chown ?
[02:19] <genii> kwtm: I have no issue with people who wish to operate their machines as superuser. But setting a root password when sudo -i   is available is somewhat irresponsible
[02:19] <genii> OpenSorce: Not at all. I encourage everyone to educate themselves.
[02:19] <OpenSorce> uh-huh
[02:19] <kwtm> jtisme: I tried apt-cache show libqbanking5, but it does not tell me what files are contained within that package.
[02:19] <bdizzle> strange ...
[02:20] <bdizzle> when I go to /media in CLI, it doesn't show the partition
[02:20] <bdizzle> yet when I go to it through the GUI, I can access the files on it and such
[02:20] <jtisme> kwtm let me check my notes i know i have done that in the past
[02:20] <OpenSorce> I can't imagine running a *nix system without setting a root password.....but then again Slackware is my distro of choice...
[02:20] <jwaldo> odd
[02:20] <Lars_G> Hi all.
[02:20] <jwaldo> system monitor stops working when I run Konversation
[02:21] <bdizzle> can someone walk me through this so I don't mess it up?
[02:21] <jtisme> OpenSorce, i remember building back doors to the Unix su long before sudo existed, what fun!!!!
[02:21] <Lars_G> So, the upgrade to 8.10 from 8.04 is failing, it suggests I log a bug, and it mentions /var/log/dist-upgrade do you think you guys could help me diag where it is the problem by using the logs?
[02:21] <jwaldo> brb
[02:22] <OpenSorce> Sudo is over-rated
[02:22] <genii> OpenSorce: There is nothing in Ubuntu which prevents you from doing this. But it is discouraged for the reasons I earlier outlined. Many problems are created when used without proper caution.
[02:22] <totoro7> is there a "show desktop" keyboard shortcut on KDE?
[02:22] <OpenSorce> No kidding
[02:22] <jtisme> but you had to get the su privilege just long enough to set 4755 on your code so you could go to su
[02:22] <genii> Lars_G: Did you yet post it to bug section of launchpad?
[02:22] <jtisme> kwtm hold on
[02:23] <Lars_G> genii: Nope, I don't want to log a whole new bug if it's something confined to me
[02:23] <genii> Lars_G: I would suggest pastebin the log mentioned and see if someone here is perhaps willing to scrutinize it first then.
[02:23] <Lars_G> genii: Yeah.
[02:23] <OpenSorce> So.....my first question that you sent me to the devel channel for asking: Is *ubuntu using Nvidia and ATI drivers and the right wifi drivers yet?
[02:24] <OpenSorce> Surely you know that answer to that one?
[02:24] <zabbadapp> hmmmm .... the "K-menu" is very wide, yet each deeper level scrolls out the parent to the left -- even if two levels could easily fit next to each other ... OR if the menu is made lower a single level could span two columns instead of adding a scrollbar
[02:25] <memeemeee> ok genii http://pastebin.com/m12857d3b
[02:25] <kwtm> totoro7: My Win-D key does the trick.
[02:25] <genii> OpenSorce: We see many issues relating to specific models of wifi in particular. I myself am not a specialist in the area of video drivers, but many others in the channel suggested are in fact working in this area and know which changes may have been made between releases.
[02:25] <OpenSorce> lol.....you should run for officer
[02:25] <genii> memeemeee: OK, reading. One minute please
[02:25] <OpenSorce> *office
[02:25] <don> opensource> my graphics and wifi all up and fine they came a long way.
[02:25] <totoro7> kwtm: not werking here :-( (kubuntu 8.10)
[02:25] <don> I have ATI
[02:25] <OpenSorce> don, thank you :-)
[02:25] <totoro7> kwtm: and thanks for answering
[02:26] <don> really have done well with both
[02:26] <Lars_G> This log looks interesting: http://show.degopro.com/logs/main.log
[02:26] <Lars_G> Specially near the end.
[02:26] <genii> OpenSorce: Broadcom wifi in particular seems to be problemmatic
[02:26] <don> I run many 3d games
[02:26] <jtisme> kwtm, havent found the answer yet still working on it
[02:26] <Lars_G> 2008-10-30 21:50:13,873 DEBUG The package 'postgresql-plperl-8.2' is marked for removal but it's in the removal blacklist
[02:26] <Lars_G> Would that be causing it?
[02:26] <memeemeee> I haven;t had any problems with my broadcom wifi once i got it running it's working great!
[02:26] <OpenSorce> ah kewl....they put a lot of work into *ubuntu....I'd love to be able to list it as something other than "unsutiable for new users" this time
[02:27] <jwaldo> weeeeird
[02:27] <jwaldo> System Monitor will run once, then stop working until I log out
[02:27] <Lars_G> genii: I might end up posting a bug :(
[02:27] <don> both  ub and ku have come a long way
[02:27] <don> Kubuntu is my favorite
[02:27] <jtechidna> Lars_G: that'd probably cause it
[02:28] <OpenSorce> genii, if they would just use the windows drivers like Mandriva does.......nvm
[02:28] <kwtm> totoro7: K-Menu > System Settings > Keyboard & Mouse > Keyboard Shortcuts > Shortcut Schemes > Global SHortcuts > Panel > Toggle Showing Desktop
[02:28] <jtechidna> Lars_G: I think you could remove it for now and install postgresql-plperl-8.3 after the upgrade
[02:28] <don> Lars G. try run apt-get autoremove
[02:28] <don> start over with it
[02:28] <OpenSorce> Well, I use IceWM on my home machine, but for new user reviews we only review distros that focus on KDE
[02:28] <kwtm> jtisme: Btw, in case you were going to tell me to go to packages.ubuntu.com to check, my particular package is not from Ubuntu, but a 3rd party (Gnucash)
[02:29]  * Lars_G sighs
[02:29] <Lars_G> I'll check
[02:29] <bdizzle> gah, this is a lot quieter than #ubuntu, but I need some help if anyone is willing to work with me
[02:29] <OpenSorce> Gnome makes new (windows) users uncomfortable
[02:30] <Thrice> hi kubuntu guys lol
[02:31] <Lars_G> OpenSorce: Actually that's why I setup them with kde. they're more at home
[02:31] <OpenSorce> Yep
[02:31] <memeemeee> is there a way to look at a usb device and determine which fs it is?
[02:31] <Thrice> hi
[02:31] <memeemeee> unmounted usb device
[02:31] <memeemeee> hi Thrice
[02:31] <Lars_G> don: I consider ubu and kubu to be equivalent on the system side.
[02:31] <OpenSorce> My company paid for test, they put 100 windows users on Linux machines......98 of them hated Gnome :-P
[02:31] <don> yes
[02:32] <don> anyone can set up 3d card now
[02:32] <Lars_G> don: on the web side I still preffer ubu, better layout, easier to use wiki, easier to use forum
[02:32] <totoro7> kwtm: ok until "Keyboard Shortcuts", no "Shortcut Schemes" anywhere within the window.
[02:32] <genii> memeemeee: 2 lines below "iface lo inet loopback" in /etc/network/interfaces   can go. /etc/hosts looks fine. /etc/resolv.conf looks OK if they are accessible from the gateway you earlier specified. in "route" link-local seems very odd entry, I suspect relating to the unneccesary lines mentioned earlier in /etc/network/interfaces
[02:32] <don> simple
[02:32] <bdizzle> okay, this is strange, but I need someone to walk me through it that knows how to mount / unmount, change permissions and figure out this mess
[02:32] <Lars_G> Drugs are bad for people.
[02:32] <jmichaelx> i have used linux almost exclusively for 3 years, and i still hate gnome lol
[02:32] <Lars_G> bbl thanks all
[02:32] <Thrice> im a ubuntu user and i was wondering how is the new kde running it looks nice
[02:32] <Lars_G> jmichaelx: I don't hate it, I just don't like it.
[02:32] <don> ubuntu did not have my wireless until ultimate
[02:32] <don> and I have that as well
[02:32] <jmichaelx> Lars_G: yes, hate is a bit too strong
[02:32] <don> have them all
[02:33] <Lars_G> jmichaelx: And I'd even be using other WM than kde if it werent for all the nice stuff they started adding at kde 3.5
[02:33] <Lars_G> jmichaelx: My real favorite was xfce4, but kde has become a workhorse
[02:33] <don> kubuntu kde3 was very stable
[02:33] <jmichaelx> Lars_G: kde3.5 is the nicest DE i have used
[02:33] <don> kde4 is ?
[02:33] <OpenSorce> I prefer a very basic wm with a console window :-P
[02:33] <Lars_G> don: 4.1 is slightly unstable on my 8.04 but worst is that it's still a little lacking
[02:33] <don> I am on kde3 now
[02:34] <jmichaelx> yeah, xfce4 is also my second choice. i always have both installed
[02:34] <don> it is perfict
[02:34] <Thrice> the new gnome isnt that bad
[02:34] <OpenSorce> but that's on slack, I know where everything is because I put it there
[02:34] <Lars_G> I think I'll use 8.10 with kde3 for a while, at least until 4.2
[02:34] <totoro7> kwtm: thanks for your effort and time. I'm afraid I have to go now
[02:34] <don> that is best
[02:34] <don> 3 804
[02:34] <memeemeee> but localhost is working fine. (not sure how the extraeneous lines got in there. the question is why can't I access the router? the only answer i've gotten from ##networking was that it was hardware. I don't think it is
[02:34] <jtechidna> Lars_G: upgrading to 8.10 will replace kde3 with kde4
[02:34] <Lars_G> don: Altough I am using a few version 4 kde programs.
[02:34] <genii> Aside from window manager discussions, are there any outstanding support issues?
[02:34] <jtisme> kwtm, apt-file list PACKAGE_NAME
[02:34] <jmichaelx> kde4 in 8.10 seems to be much nicer, and much more stable than in 8.04
[02:34] <memeemeee> but localhost is working fine. (not sure how the extraeneous lines got in there. the question is why can't I access the router? the only answer i've gotten from ##networking was that it was hardware. I don't think it is genii \
[02:34] <don> me too
[02:34] <bdizzle> I've got four partitions, named JLab (base URL at file:///mnt), Kubuntu (base URL at file:/// ), Media, (base URL at file:///media/windows2) and Windows (base URL at file:///media/windows1)
[02:34] <OpenSorce> Hey guys, I'm supposed to attempt to run World of Warcraft on the distros I am reviewing.....anyone tried it on *ubuntu?
[02:34] <Lars_G> don: Specially amarok 2.0, dolphin, and kmail 4
[02:34] <don> but nothing like the kde3 8.04
[02:35] <Thrice> ya it works
[02:35] <bdizzle> OpenSorce: it should work with wine
[02:35] <Lars_G> jmichaelx: sigh no option anymore? time to take the plunge?
[02:35] <don> I am a big fan of kde4
[02:35] <genii> memeemeee: I'd remove those two lines mentioned, it may be screwing up your default routing. then restart networking and see if it goes
[02:35] <don> I jst am honest
[02:35] <Thrice> or crossover
[02:35] <OpenSorce> Yeah, I run it on Slack with Wine
[02:35] <don> I will have a perfict 4 as well
[02:35] <bdizzle> I need that first one that is mounted at file:///mnt to be at file:///media/storage or so
[02:35] <jmichaelx> Lars_G: no option beyond remaining in hardy.... which i had strongly considered
[02:35] <Lars_G> jmichaelx: not even kde3 base libs to non-ported programs?
[02:35] <Thrice> the ubuntu channel is having all kinds of problems compared to here lol
[02:36] <jtechidna> Lars_G: kde3 apps that don't have kde4 ports are still usable
[02:36] <bdizzle> they both are Thrice
[02:36] <jmichaelx> Lars_G: yes, there are still a good number of kde3 proggies
[02:36] <Thrice> this one seems fine
[02:36] <Lars_G> Good so the base libraries are there.
[02:36] <Lars_G> phew
[02:36] <Thrice> compared to over there lol
[02:36] <Thrice> 'its nuts
[02:36] <Lars_G> Well it'll take me some time getting used to the DE in kde 4
[02:36] <Lars_G> Ah what the hell, I'm a nutter for shiny new stuff I'll take the plunge
[02:36] <Lars_G> see you tomorrow guys
[02:36]  * Lars_G waves
[02:36] <genii> Lars_G: Gnite
[02:36] <don> I can reboot into kde4
[02:37] <jmichaelx> Lars_G: it isn't as bad as i thought it would be. i would recommend taking the plunge if you don't mind an occasional hickup
[02:37] <memeemeee> genii, destination host unreachable
[02:37] <don> I have many
[02:37] <essa> hi all
[02:37] <essa> hi room
[02:37] <genii> memeemeee: Can you ping by ip some external ?
[02:37] <kwtm_away> jtisme: am still listening but need to check on baby
[02:37] <don> kde4 just falls apart when I start to build it as I need it
[02:37] <kwtm> jtisme: Oh, I see your msg from before
[02:37] <genii> memeemeee: 72.14.207.99   is google.com   for instance
[02:37] <don> I have 2 I am working now
[02:37]  * jtechidna has gotten KDE4 to look like this for fun: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Jn7tUiuzfcA/SNZc915qETI/AAAAAAAAACA/TJGGg7i-924/s1600-h/kde4gnome.png
[02:37] <Thrice> does kubuntu use bash shell?
[02:37] <jtisme> kwtm,  apt-file list Package_name
[02:38] <memeemeee> genii, destination host unreachable
[02:38] <corigo> Why is Alt+Tab so slow to respond, or some time take 3 clicks to respond?
[02:38] <jmichaelx> no, kubuntu is exclusively sh
[02:38] <jmichaelx> :-d
[02:38] <don> Thrice. yes
[02:38] <kwtm> jtisme: Yes, I saw.  Thank you!  Trying now.  (Running sudo apt-file update now)
[02:38] <don> if you want
[02:39] <bdizzle> UGH
[02:39] <kwtm> Thrice: jmichaelx was kidding.  Bash is not really GUI-dependent, so GNOME = KDE.
[02:39] <don> I have bash on my kde4
[02:39] <genii> memeemeee: Looks like some routing issue still.
[02:39] <jtisme> kwtm hold on a minute let me dig a little deeper
[02:39] <don> used it today
[02:39] <Thrice> so any things i install in ubuntu i can use in kubuntu like apt-get blah blah
[02:39] <jmichaelx> Thrice: sorry about that
[02:39] <genii> memeemeee: Are you using same router for the box which you are on now which is connecting?
[02:39] <don> thrice yes
[02:40] <bdizzle> why is one of my partitions located in /mnt instead of /media ?
[02:40] <jmichaelx> Thrice: apt-get is specific to debian and its derivatives, more so than to bash, etc
[02:40] <memeemeee> yes
[02:40] <kwtm> jtisme: Holy cow, what sort of unholy command is apt-file running in the background!?
[02:40] <Thrice> oooh
[02:40] <Thrice> i gotcha
[02:40] <memeemeee> genii, i can connect with wlan and eth0 on my laptop
[02:40] <genii> bdizzle: Possibly you have an /etc/fstab entry which specifies that directory
[02:40] <bdizzle> so how do I change it?
[02:40] <memeemeee> I even tried a static ip on the laptop
[02:40] <kwtm> jtisme: It looks like it's downloading a bazillion things in the background!  Shouldn't this stuff already be in the database!?
[02:41] <jtisme> kwtm not necessarily
[02:41] <bdizzle> genii, okay, I see the issue, but I dont' know how to change it safely
[02:41] <kwtm> jtisme: Okay.  Anyway, checking on baby...
[02:41] <corigo> I saved some files to my desktop, now I can't remove them. Every time I restart the computer they re-appear on the desktop!
[02:42] <genii> bdizzle: alt-f2   kdesudo kate /etc/fstab             then see if this is the case, if so a change here when saved will stick. But you'll likely need also to unmount then remount it
[02:42] <bdizzle> could you help me with it so I can learn as I go without messing up my system
[02:42] <don> corigo> I had same with kde4
[02:42] <bdizzle> yeah, that's what I'm at now
[02:42] <don> keep bring back the dead
[02:43] <don> you will get it
[02:43] <don> takes time
[02:43] <bdizzle> sda1 is clearly mounted at /mnt instead of /media like the others
[02:43] <genii> memeemeee: When you set instead a regular dynamic entry for that interface, does it work?
[02:43] <bdizzle> that particular line reads:   /dev/sda1 /mnt    auto     defaults      0          0
[02:43] <bdizzle> whereas the windows partitions read: /dev/sda2 /media/windows1 ntfs defaults,auto,dmask=000,fmask=111,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0
[02:44] <memeemeee> I haven't been able to try that but I was told not to bother by someone else so i didn't try too hard
[02:44] <genii> bdizzle: So decide on a nice directory name for it, like sda1       then: sudo mkdir /media/sda1                 then change the fstab entry from /mnt       to   /media/sda1           and save
[02:45] <memeemeee> change it to iface eth0 inet dhcp and erase all other lines except auto eth0 genii ?
[02:45] <bdizzle> ah, okay, see, I didn't know that
[02:45] <genii> memeemeee: For now don''t erase them. Just put a # at start of each line to comment them out
[02:45] <mits> is there any app that handles dialup on intrepid (among the default packages)?
[02:45] <genii> bdizzle: Then you likely need to unmount and remount it
[02:45] <bdizzle> and now as a result of me trying to get things to work on my own, I'm getting a more serious popup with dolphin claiming that it cannot save
[02:46] <phanatik> just wondering what the difference is between Kubuntu and normal ubuntu
[02:46] <bdizzle> bookmarks in /home/users/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml, claiming permission was denied
[02:46] <genii> bdizzle: You needed to run an editor with admin rights.          like with kdesudo     or kdesu
[02:46] <jtechidna> phanatik: Kubuntu uses KDE, Ubuntu uses gnome
[02:46] <don> phanatik> one is gnome desktop and other is kde
[02:47] <genii> bdizzle: Because the file does not belong to the username which is normally logged on
[02:47] <phanatik> ah
[02:47] <phanatik> is KDE better?
[02:47] <don> I think so
[02:47] <phanatik> I know its matter of opinions here.
[02:47] <genii> "Better" is subjective :) But keep in mind where you are asking
[02:47] <don> it is a matter of doing all I do
[02:47] <don> gnome fails me
[02:47] <jmichaelx> kde is SO much better
[02:48] <don> you can run either on either
[02:48] <don> switch
[02:48] <phanatik> so if i download ubuntu normal, is there a way to install KDE
[02:48] <don> and switch  back
[02:48] <jmichaelx> don't submit to the gnome nazis!
[02:48] <jmichaelx> just kidding
[02:48] <don> yes
[02:48] <don> sudo apt-get install kde
[02:48] <genii> phanatik: package is called usually    kubuntu-desktop
[02:48] <phanatik> ah nice
[02:48] <don> yes
[02:48] <genii> don: kubuntu-desktop    not just the kde
[02:48] <don> true
[02:49] <memeemeee> it's trying on 255.255.255.255 instead of 255.255.255.0 genii and failing with no DHCPOFFERS recieved
[02:49] <don> I put kde 4 on an upgrade once
[02:49] <bdizzle> k, hold on
[02:49] <genii> memeemeee: Check your cabling
[02:49] <don> it worked fine
[02:50] <memeemeee> physical cables? have checked several times and used them on laptop as well work fine there
[02:50] <jtisme> kwtm_away, refresh my memory  what was the question
[02:50] <don> I may put a kde4 on this one
[02:51] <memeemeee> genii, is there a way to force it to DHCPDISCOVER on 255.255.255.0 instead of 255.255.255.255?
[02:51] <genii> memeemeee: When no dhcp offer, can't reach the router is usual meaning. If plugged directly in then it should be getting an IP right off. Is it in a regular port on router on not something odd like WAN or CONSOLE labelled plug?
[02:51] <genii> memeemeee: dhcpdiscover works on broadcast. so 255.255.255.255 is correct
[02:52] <memeemeee> nope and I've tried using other ports as well
[02:52] <mot_> none of my widgets or panel settings are retained when i reboot...i.e. none of the shortcuts that i drag down to the panel or my positioning/size of my folder view boxes and plasmoids are all reset to default whenever i reboot...any ideas?
[02:52] <mot_> anybody else having the same problem?
[02:52] <bdizzle> um, genii, that didn't work
[02:52] <genii> bdizzle: To edit the file?
[02:53] <bdizzle> I think, hold on
[02:53] <weedar> knetworkmanager 0.7 doesn't work with my Intel 4965 wlan-adapter - can I downgrade to 0.6 or an older version somehow?
[02:54] <bdizzle> okay, so now that one line in fstab reads: /dev/sda1 /media/storage    auto     defaults      0          0
[02:54] <genii> memeemeee: What does result of:  lspci -nn | grep Ethernet                       report as your card?
[02:54] <bdizzle> and I created a folder in /media named storage
[02:54] <bdizzle> now how do I link the two?
[02:54] <memeemeee> wait! genii "DHCPRELEASE hon eth0 to 192.1.1 port 67 <\n> there is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid with pid 0" is this a problem?
[02:55] <genii> bdizzle: Good. But the box still thinks it is at /mnt      So:  same method to edit file:   /etc/mtab          and remove completely the line which may have cached /mnt in it, then save
[02:55] <bdizzle> and I am still getting the error about access being denied to .kde bookmarks
[02:56] <bdizzle> this line?
[02:56] <genii> bdizzle: And then you remount the drive at proper spot:    sudo mount /media/storage
[02:56] <bdizzle> this line:   /dev/sda1 /mnt vfat rw 0 0
[02:56] <genii> bdizzle: Yes
[02:56] <bdizzle> and I am just removing it?
[02:56] <genii> bdizzle: Yes
[02:56] <memeemeee> genii, "Marvell technology group ltd. 88E8056 PCI-E"
[02:56] <don> memeemeee> shouldnt that be 192.168.1.1?
[02:56] <bdizzle> okay, just wanted to be sure before I did it
[02:56] <don> not enough numbers
[02:57] <memeemeee> should what be don?
[02:57] <don> is that the gateway?
[02:57] <genii> memeemeee: What does the part at end say something like     [168c:001a] (rev 01)
[02:57] <don> that number is incorrect
[02:57] <memeemeee> yeah don . typeo
[02:57] <don> ok
[02:57] <don> sorry
[02:57] <tacosarecool> hello
[02:57] <genii> memeemeee: sudo dhclient -r eth0 && sudo dhclient eth0
[02:58] <memeemeee> good eyes don! I've made stupid mistakes like that before
[02:58] <don> me too
[02:58] <don> I am big fan of wireless
[02:58] <tacosarecool> help me please sometimes it randomly freezes
[02:58] <bdizzle> ok
[02:58] <tacosarecool> and this has been since 8.10
[02:58] <don> I was hopeing that was the problem
[02:58] <corigo> don: yep, KDE4
[02:58] <don> yeah
[02:58] <genii> bdizzle: /etc/mtab is only a housekeeping thing to have a record of currently mounted things
[02:59] <don> the best 4 I built got lost
[02:59] <memeemeee> ok so its "Gigabit Ethernet Controller [11ab:4364] (rev 20) genii
[02:59] <don> it was upgrade from 7.10 crossover
[02:59] <tacosarecool> Genii
[02:59] <genii> memeemeee: OK, looking it up for issues
[02:59] <don> and it was perfict
[02:59] <bdizzle> claims it cannot create a link /etc/mtab~
[02:59] <genii> tacosarecool: Yes?
[02:59] <bdizzle> then "Perhaps there is a stale file?
[02:59] <bdizzle> stale lock file?
[03:00] <tacosarecool> genii help my computer has been freezing and this has been since 8.10 windows works fine
[03:00] <memeemeee> dhclient had the same outcome
[03:00] <tacosarecool> But 8.10 sometimes freezes
[03:00] <corigo> How can I take a screen shot in KDE4?
[03:01] <tacosarecool> ctrl alt printscreen
[03:01] <genii> tacosarecool: Anything informative in:   dmesg|tail            ?
[03:01] <don> taco...> run chkdsk in windows
[03:01] <bdizzle> alright, now it claims it is already mounted or /media/storage is busy
[03:01] <bdizzle> how do I unmount then remount?
[03:01] <tacosarecool> The disk is fine though because
[03:01] <tacosarecool> It's on the same drive
[03:01] <memeemeee> genii, btw I even tried reinstalling kubuntu from cd (w/out formatting)  to no avail.
[03:01] <genii> bdizzle: If you have something sitting in dir like command prompt or file browser with it open, considers it busy. Close or cd out of there before trying to mount or unmount
[03:02] <genii> bdizzle: 1 minute please
[03:02] <bdizzle> yeah, I am closed out of there
[03:03] <genii> memeemeee: Some googling indicates it's a problemmatic ethernet controller which uses driver called sky2.   A somewhat older page here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-596196.html recommends driver from Marvell site
[03:03] <don> corigo>download and install ksnapshot
[03:03] <bdizzle> tried to unmount via gui, and it claims it failed due to: Device has /dev/sda1 volume.ignore set to TRUE. Refusing to mount
[03:03] <genii> bdizzle: sudo umount -f /media/storage  then: sudo mount /media/storage
[03:04] <tacosarecool> it's n?
[03:04] <tacosarecool> 8.04 was fine
[03:04] <tacosarecool> I mean
[03:04] <tacosarecool> It wasn't freezing
[03:04] <kwtm_away> jtisme: you ahve answered my question.  Thank you!
[03:05] <kwtm_away> jtisme: It was: how do I find out what file a package contains, if I haven't installed it yet?  Now I know: apt-file show pkgname
[03:05] <genii> tacosarecool: Anything in dmesg or not which says some error or indicates something unusual?
[03:05] <jtisme> kwtm did it work?
[03:05] <bdizzle> genii: that worked via cli, but the gui doesn't like it at all
[03:05] <tacosarecool> genii yes
[03:06] <tacosarecool> there is stuff
[03:06] <bdizzle> and I STILL get that damn error message about the bookmark.xml, saying it needs to be fixed as quickly as possible
[03:06] <genii> tacosarecool: Please pastebin for scrutiny
[03:06] <tacosarecool> How do I pastebin
[03:06] <chuso> I have just upgraded to intrepid with kde4, and now kate could not open remote files through fish. Does anybody know how to solve it? - It returns "Unknown protocol sftp"
[03:06] <genii> bdizzle: With vfat you may need some other option to allow read/write there but offhand I don't know which ones. Google may be more helpful here than me
[03:07] <bdizzle> grr
[03:07] <bdizzle> is there a way to just wipe the partition, reformat at ext3 and go from there?
[03:07] <genii> bdizzle: On the sda1 ?
[03:07] <bdizzle> yeah
[03:08] <genii> bdizzle: If sda1 is some vfat drive, what partition or drive holds your /  ?
[03:08] <bdizzle> and I get this error message whenver I close a window in dolphin:
[03:08] <bdizzle> Unable to save bookmarks in /home/bdizzle/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Permission denied. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.
[03:08] <bdizzle> note that the hard drive still has another 5 GB on each partition
[03:09] <bdizzle> the / is on /sda7
[03:09] <genii> bdizzle: Sounds like you had a change of permissions there, possibly by running dolphin with sudo instead of kdesuo or such
[03:09] <bdizzle> probably
[03:09] <yeltsinator>  any reason why I would utilize 50 % of my lan connection when transfering via one rsync session between two computers on my lan and 91 % when I use two rsync sessions to do the same thing?
[03:09] <bdizzle> gah, my files are all messed up
[03:09] <bdizzle> my media drive (storage on NSFS) is on /dev/sda5
[03:10] <bdizzle> windows XP on /dev/sda2
[03:10] <bdizzle> kubuntu on /dev/sda7
[03:10] <craig> when I try to play the new Hulk movie with Kaffeine player, it tries to install a codec, tells me that it is already installed and will not play. any insite as to what I am doing wrong?
[03:10] <bdizzle> and the partition I want to get rid of and reformat now because its not worth the hassle is on /dev/sda1
[03:11] <genii> bdizzle: OK. so: sudo fdisk /dev/sda     then T for change type. Change to 83       then W to write and exit. then you can: sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1
[03:11] <tacosarecool> How do I pastebin
[03:11] <favro> !paste
[03:12] <bdizzle> you mean /dev/sda1, right?
[03:12] <genii> tacosarecool: For CLI things you may want instead: sudo apt-get install pastebinit                then you do like:     pastebinit dmesg
[03:12] <chuso> Does kate open remote files through fish in kubuntu 8.10? In my desktop is crashing
[03:12] <genii> bdizzle: When it asks about which partition, 1   is the sda1
[03:12] <craig> when I try to play the new Hulk movie with Kaffeine player, it tries to install a codec, tells me that it is already installed and will not play. any insight as to what I am doing wrong?
[03:13] <bdizzle> ok
[03:13] <bdizzle> got this error message
[03:13] <bdizzle> The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 14593.
[03:13] <genii> bdizzle: Don't forget to change fs type after in the /etc/fstab
[03:13] <bdizzle> There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
[03:13] <bdizzle> and could in certain setups cause problems with:
[03:13] <bdizzle> 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
[03:13] <bdizzle> 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
[03:13] <bdizzle>    (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)
[03:13] <bdizzle> Command (m for help):
[03:14] <bdizzle> ... is there a GUI way to do this so that I dont screw up my computer?
[03:14] <genii> bdizzle: Thats fine. You used only   sudo fdisk /dev/sda          and NOT sda1  yes?
[03:14] <bdizzle> because yes, unless someone hands me some instructions, I will forget stuff because I won't know that it exists
[03:14] <bdizzle> yes
[03:14] <genii> bdizzle: You can also use qtparted
[03:14] <tacosarecool> pastebinit dmesg
[03:15] <genii> bdizzle: You may need to install that first however
[03:15] <genii> tacosarecool: Yes, but on your box
[03:15] <bdizzle> might be worth it if its harder to mess up that way
[03:15] <tacosarecool> it's not on the package manager
[03:15] <genii> tacosarecool: Then it should report a URL. Copy that to here, it is the pastebin address that dmesg result went to
[03:16] <genii> !info pastebinit | tacosarecool
[03:16] <bdizzle> alright, while I'm waiting for that, what is this new error about the bookmarks anytime I close a window in dolphin?
[03:16] <genii> tacosarecool: Enable universe
[03:16] <genii> bdizzle: As I said earlier, probable cause is messy permissions
[03:16] <bdizzle> and the fix is?
[03:17] <tacosarecool> I do
[03:17] <tacosarecool> But some things aren't fetching
[03:17] <genii> bdizzle to fix if the case: sudo chown -Rh bdizzle:bdizzle /home/bdizzle/.kde
[03:17] <tacosarecool> Can I make a txt file
[03:17] <OpenSorce> Ok, 6 minutes til the download is finished....anything I should know before the install?
[03:18] <tacosarecool> Then I private message you
[03:18] <genii> tacosarecool: No
[03:18] <tacosarecool> ok
[03:18] <genii> tacosarecool: I do not accept PM for assisting, only in public channel
[03:18] <bdizzle> okay, that fixed it, thanks
[03:18] <bdizzle> now what did that do?
[03:19] <genii> bdizzle: Running dolphin with sudo will do it, or as root when in bdizzle's home directory
[03:19] <bdizzle> ah, okay
[03:19] <bdizzle> ... and why is qt parted trying to open, but just closes out?
[03:19] <genii> bdizzle: Instead of with GUI version of sudo (kdesu/kdesudo)
[03:19] <craig_> genii: any chance you can help me with my kaffeine issue?
[03:19] <ssrunner> Can someone help me with a sound problem?
[03:19] <bdizzle> ah, didn't realize they weren't interchangable
[03:19] <genii> craig_: Unfortunately I'm overextended at the moment
[03:20] <ardchoille> genii: I'm watching but waiting to jump in with something I actually know how to help with :)O
[03:20] <jmichaelx> craig_: if you are in hardy, i had the same issue and could never rectify it. it started after some updates a month or so ago.
[03:20] <genii> ardchoille: More coffee! <laughing>
[03:20] <ardchoille> hehe
[03:20] <ssrunner> Hm, well if anyone knows why all my sound would stop working after a Hardy to Intrepid update, please let me know
[03:20] <tacosarecool> I know some of the problem though it seems to have a problem fetching stuff
[03:21] <manish> how do i group chat in kopete
[03:21] <ardchoille> tacosarecool: That's going to happen today since it's release day and the repos are being hit hard
[03:21] <jmichaelx> craig_: what version of kubuntu are you using?
[03:21] <tacosarecool> Oh yeah
[03:21] <tacosarecool> Ok
[03:21] <tacosarecool> I need wine though
[03:21] <ssrunner> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3098683.0
[03:21] <ssrunner> that's my problem if anyone is free
[03:21] <genii> tacosarecool: Ah. So maybe the lag is it running the update manager and timing out on hammered repositories
[03:22] <genii> tacosarecool: Get wine from their site instead
[03:22] <ardchoille> genii: been happening to me all day
[03:22] <tacosarecool> Oh duh
[03:22] <tacosarecool> Oops
[03:22] <bdizzle> okay, qtparted is claiming I need to run e2fsck
[03:22] <genii> tacosarecool: http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[03:22] <bdizzle> just run it with automatic repair?
[03:22] <tacosarecool> I got to download key
[03:22] <tacosarecool> That's why
[03:22] <genii> bdizzle: I would suggest that, yes
[03:22] <tacosarecool> For wine
[03:23] <bdizzle> k, thanks
[03:23] <craig_> jmichaelx:where do I find that info?
[03:23] <genii> bdizzle: Wait, is this for a mounted partition?
[03:23] <bdizzle> I guess?
[03:24] <genii> bdizzle: Hold off on the fsck
[03:24] <bdizzle> when I run qtparted, it claims file system was not cleanly unmounted! you should run e2fsck
[03:24] <bdizzle> Modifying an unclean file system could cause severe corruption.
[03:24] <genii> bdizzle: Yes.
[03:25] <genii> bdizzle: So boot into Recovery kernel, then run fsck on the / partition.    Then go to multiuser by:   telinit 2
[03:25] <genii> bdizzle: Then do the qtparted deal again, etc etc
[03:26]  * ardchoille hands genii a coffee
[03:26] <bdizzle> wiat, did I mess it up that badly?
[03:26] <genii> ardchoille: Thank you muchly!
[03:26] <genii> bdizzle: Nah. Likely just a hard poweroff at some time or so
[03:27] <bdizzle> ok
[03:27] <bdizzle> what is the telinit2?
[03:27] <ardchoille> run level 2, the default
[03:27] <bdizzle> ok
[03:27] <genii> bdizzle: This changes the default mode of Recovery kernel from single user mode to multi user mode. So them kdm starts, etc
[03:27] <bdizzle> okay
[03:28] <manish> hi genii: Do you know how to group chat in kopete
[03:28] <genii> bdizzle: Space between telinit and 2   there :)
[03:28] <bdizzle> so from recovery kernel, run fsck -p on / (root), then type in telinit 2 ?
[03:28] <genii> manish: No, I do not use that application, sorry.
[03:28] <jmichaelx> craig_: are you running hardy or intrepid?
[03:28] <bdizzle> just making sure I got all of this correct as I am writing it down so do
[03:29] <ardchoille> manish: I'd say you're group chatting right now :)
[03:29] <craig_> hardy
[03:29] <_kyr> hello
[03:29] <genii> bdizzle: Whatever the /dev/name   is of your /   do the fsck on it     like:   fsck /dev/sda5
[03:29] <bdizzle> okay
[03:29] <digitalpsyko> can someone link me to the medibuntu page for kubuntu im using intrepid
[03:29] <genii> bdizzle: Then the telinit 2   after
[03:29] <bdizzle> okay
[03:29] <genii> !medibuntu
[03:29] <tacosarecool> The problem is it's getting laggy
[03:29] <digitalpsyko> ty genii
[03:30] <tacosarecool> It's not freezing completely
[03:30] <genii> digitalpsyko: It's same for Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[03:30] <jmichaelx> craig_: ok, i was never able to fix that problem in hardy. through every version of kubuntu, from my experience, an update to kaffeine or xine comes out that breaks kaffeine, and they never fix it.
[03:30] <bdizzle> okay, and I need to remember how to take a screenshot to show you what qtparted is showing
[03:30] <bdizzle> it looks like a complete mess
[03:30] <digitalpsyko> ty genii i had no idea :)
[03:30] <maverick_> hey,the  pidgin icon doesnt appear on the system tray  on my sys
[03:30] <maverick_> a lil help please
[03:30] <genii> digitalpsyko: Whether yet they have 8.10 packages I do not know
[03:31] <digitalpsyko> ive been messing with the beta
[03:31] <jmichaelx> craig_: if i were  you, i would recommend just installing smplayer, and use that instead of kaffeine
[03:31] <digitalpsyko> had it setup
[03:31] <ardchoille> maverick_: did yo enable the tray icon in the pidgin options?
[03:31] <coz_> hey all
[03:31] <maverick_> i think so
[03:31] <digitalpsyko> but fergots where teh medibuntu was
[03:31] <digitalpsyko> o.0
 where can I find smplayr?
[03:32] <ardchoille> craig_: check the repos; apt-cache search smplay
[03:32] <Rioting_pacifist> !metalink
[03:32] <maverick_> okay, whenever i close pidgin, it doesnt appear on the tray, but it seems to be still running, when i checked the system monitor
[03:32] <jmichaelx> craig_: just enter 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install smplayer' into a terminal
[03:32] <Rioting_pacifist> erm how do i used the md5sum-metalink files
[03:32] <genii> tacosarecool: Were you able at all yet to pastebin your dmesg ?
[03:32] <jmichaelx> craig_: i guess i should have asked you whether or not you have installed all the codecs, etc.?
[03:33] <genii> tacosarecool: Also maybe look at result of top or ktop
[03:33] <craig_> yes I have
[03:33] <manish> ardchoille: ya i am group chatting now but i want to group chat with my friends who have google account. Hence i use kopete. If you know how to do it there or any app where in i could group chat then please tell me
[03:33] <jmichaelx> ok
[03:33] <ardchoille> manish: hold on..
[03:34] <jmichaelx> craig_: you'll like smplayer, it is a good replacement for kaffeine... especially because it does not get broken as often
[03:34] <tacosarecool> Anyway
[03:34] <ardchoille> manish: I only see File > Create New Group, I don't see any way to go to a pre-existing group.
[03:35] <ardchoille> manish: Perhaps go to kopete and press f1, check the handbook, that's all I can tell you.
[03:35] <craig_> thanks a lot!
[03:36] <jmichaelx> yw
[03:37] <mot_> hmm
[03:37] <mot_> i have libdvdcss2 installed but kaffeine still tells me this dvd is encrypted
[03:37] <jmichaelx> i really don't get why a program like kaffeine, which is very nice when it works, is always broken, then fixed, broken, then fixed
[03:37] <mot_> did 8.10 bork kaffeine or something?
[03:38] <ardchoille> mot_: how did you install libdvdcss2?
[03:38] <jmichaelx> mot_: kaffeine is often borked. i am not sure how it is in intrepid since i have quit using it. i have switched to smplayer
[03:38] <manish> ardchoille: the new group is for segregatign the friends contacts in tto groups and not for group chat. any ways thanks for your suggestion.
[03:38] <mot_> there's an install script in /usr/share/docs/kaffeine/
[03:38] <ardchoille> manish: ah, ok
[03:39] <genii> It is 11:32PM here, and must leave. 3 hours of sleep yesterday after being in #ubuntu-release-party all night.
[03:39] <ardchoille> mot_: ok, that's similar to the way it was done in previous releases
[03:39] <ardchoille> take care genii
[03:39] <tacosarecool> Ah this is laggy sometimes
[03:40] <genii> I am back on in 9 1/2 hours for a period of 8 hours if there is someone I am in midst of assisting that wishes to continue sometime during that period
[03:40] <manish> archiille: needed to ask one thing. what is the desktop environment for interpid
[03:40] <genii> Goodnight
[03:40] <bdizzle> wait
[03:40] <tacosarecool> kde 4
[03:40] <bdizzle> ugh
[03:41] <bdizzle> so much for that, I'll have to wait unless someone else can pick up where he left off
[03:41] <ardchoille> bdizzle: what was going on?
[03:41] <mot_> well look at that, works great in vlc
[03:41] <mot_> well while there are people active.
[03:41] <bdizzle> trying to figure out why one of my partitions was mounting from /mnt instead of /media
[03:41] <ardchoille> bdizzle: did you check /etc/fstab?
[03:42] <mot_> does anybody know why kde 4.1.2 in 8.10 won't retain settings? i.e. none of my widgets stay in the same place when i reboot, they're back to default size...any shortcuts i drag onto the taskbar are gone when i reboot
[03:42] <jmichaelx> vlc and smplayer  are great. i like the new qt4 vlc.
[03:42] <bdizzle> yeah, I think all it needed was a reboot
[03:42] <bdizzle> it works now
[03:42] <ardchoille> ok
[03:42] <ssrunner> So does anyone know why my sound would totally stop working from HH to II?
[03:43] <ssrunner> All the mixer settings are turned to 100%
[03:43] <ssrunner> But the mute button seems to be stuck on
[03:43] <ssrunner> I'm not sure if that's the problem
[03:43] <bdizzle> gah, except I still can't write to the partition unless I'm root
[03:43] <bdizzle> which is bad
[03:43] <ardchoille> bdizzle: that's a simple matter of changing ownership of the mount point
[03:43] <bdizzle> simple if you know how, yes
[03:44] <jmichaelx> lol
[03:44] <ardchoille> bdizzle: what is the mount point?
[03:44] <bdizzle> um, /dev/sda1 ?
[03:45] <ardchoille> no, that's the device
[03:45] <bdizzle> (my computer is really messed up on the naming, I gotta fix all that next)
[03:45] <bdizzle> oh
[03:45] <ardchoille> you have to mount a device to a mount point to be able to use it
[03:45] <bdizzle> the base URL is file:///media/storage
[03:45] <tacosarecool> ardchoille
[03:45] <bdizzle> if that is what you mean
[03:45] <tacosarecool> Do you have a scott richie key?
[03:45] <ardchoille> for example the mopunt pont can be /media/storage
[03:45] <ardchoille> ah, ok
[03:45] <tacosarecool> Maybe I should get in the wine channel
[03:45] <tacosarecool> But wait
[03:46] <tacosarecool> Why does 8.10 lag sometimes
[03:46] <ardchoille> bdizzle: is it mounted right now?
[03:46] <tacosarecool> It's like sometimes it lags so hard
[03:46] <bdizzle> I belive so
[03:46] <bdizzle> I can read files off of it and its visible in  /media from dolphin
[03:47] <bdizzle> so I guess so?
[03:47] <ardchoille> bdizzle: type mount (by itself) and that will tell you info about all mounted file systems
[03:47] <bdizzle> yes, it is mounted
[03:47] <ardchoille> ok, so you want to be able to write to that device. you need to either use sudo or change the ownership of the mount point
[03:47] <bdizzle> okay
[03:48] <bdizzle> sudo chown ________    ________ (fill in the blank)
[03:48] <ardchoille> if you don't want to use sudo you can simply do; sudo chown bdizzle:bdizzle /media/storage
[03:49] <bdizzle> strange, it claims operation not permitted
[03:49] <ardchoille> bdizzle: are you the owner of everything on the device?
[03:49] <bdizzle> I would assume so, I'm the only user of it
[03:49] <ardchoille> ok
[03:49] <ardchoille> and the device is what?
[03:50] <ardchoille> /dev/?
[03:50] <bdizzle> oh, that
[03:50] <bdizzle> I thought you meant the laptop itself, sorry
[03:50] <bdizzle> device would be /sda1 in this case
[03:50] <ardchoille> sda1? isn't that your installed system?
[03:51] <SkEmO> is there any program less complicatd that gimp i could use to draw?
[03:51] <SkEmO> something like paint for windows
[03:51] <bdizzle> ... no, I got silly when I was trying to install and uninstall stuff
[03:51] <bdizzle> um, let's see
[03:52] <nb72> I need some help.  Tried upgrade from kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10.  Got dumped to BusyBox console.  Now running live CD.  When installing without format (home not on seperate partition) I get the error:  Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed
[03:52] <nb72> Anybody have any ideas?
[03:53] <ardchoille> bdizzle: think of it this way; you have a door and you have a house. as long as the house is attached to the door (mounted) you see what's in the house when you open the door. if you move the house away from the door (unmount) then you see nothing when you open the door
[03:53] <bdizzle> yeah
[03:54] <bdizzle> um, /dev/sda3 is extended with 51 GB on it, with /dev/sda5 on NTFS with ~11 GB on it (storage drive), /dev/sda6 is the swap, and /dev/sda7 is the kubuntu partition with 39.07 GB
[03:55] <ardchoille> so it's sda5?
[03:55] <bdizzle> for what?
[03:55] <bdizzle> the partition I am having issues with?
[03:56] <bdizzle> no, that is sda1
[03:56] <ardchoille> storage, yes
[03:56] <bdizzle> storage is sda1
[03:56] <ardchoille> you didn't list sda1 above
[03:56] <ardchoille> ok, your kubuntu system is on sda7?
[03:56] <bdizzle> yeah, its /dev/sda1, its a FAT32 drive with a total space of 9.77 GB
[03:56] <bdizzle> yes
[03:57] <ardchoille> ok, type; mount | grep /sda1
[03:57] <bdizzle> kubuntu is on sda7, swap on sda6, windows on sda 2, one storage drive (media) on sda5, and the current issue on sda1
[03:57] <bdizzle> k
[03:57] <bdizzle> it says: /dev/sda1 on /media/storage type vfat (rw)
[03:58] <ardchoille> ok, type; sudo chown bdizzle:bdizzle /media/storage
[03:58] <ArrPirate> Hi. I'm used to running Ubuntu and I decided to try Kubuntu... my computer is rather nice and runs Ubuntu with full desktop effects with no problem but things  seem very slow and laggy in Kubuntu
[03:58] <bdizzle> it claims operation not permitted
[03:59] <ArrPirate> like if I go to drag one of the widgets it takes like 5 or 6 seconds to actually move
[03:59] <ardchoille> bdizzle: are you in sudoers?
[03:59] <ardchoille> type; sudo ls /root
[03:59] <bdizzle> yeah
[03:59] <bdizzle> it still claims not allowed
[04:00] <ardchoille> looks like you aren't in sudoers, so you won't be able to use sudo
[04:00] <ArrPirate> Anyone know why kde should be lagging so much for me?
[04:00] <bdizzle> okay, so how do I get into it?
[04:00] <ardchoille> bdizzle: are you currently using the account you used when you did the inital install?
[04:00] <bdizzle> yes
[04:01] <ardchoille> hmm, I've never had that happen to me, so I'm not going to be able to help you restore your sudoers privs, sorry :(
[04:01] <bdizzle> :(
[04:01] <ardchoille> I know it can be done, I just don't know how to do it
[04:02] <ardchoille> so, your new priority is to get back into sudoers, forget everything else until you get that done
[04:02] <bdizzle> what is sudoers?
[04:03] <ardchoille> /etc/sudoers is a file which allows elevated privileges
[04:03] <ardchoille> !sudo | bdizzle this might help
[04:03] <bdizzle> ok
[04:03] <bdizzle> but I was using sudo and entering my password in
[04:03] <ardchoille> that's correct
[04:04] <ardchoille> the fact that your password won't work is a testament that you aren't in sudoers
[04:04] <bdizzle> so then what is wrong?
[04:04] <ardchoille> the system doesn't find your username in the sudoers file so the system thinks you dont have sudo privs
[04:05] <bdizzle> strange
[04:05] <ardchoille> bdizzle: do yo have a livecd handy?
[04:06] <ArrPirate> Anyone know why everything seems so laggy in KDE but in Gnome everything's fine even with all the compiz effects turned on?
[04:06] <bdizzle> no, I don't
[04:06] <ardchoille> ok
[04:06] <ardchoille> bdizzle: I know of a small livecd that you can download and burn and it has a lot of admin tools on it, wnat the link?
[04:07] <bdizzle> how do I edit the sudoers file to add myself back
[04:07] <ardchoille> you would have to use "sudo visudo" or use a livecd to mount the main system and edit it that way
[04:07] <bdizzle> only if you walk me through it
[04:07] <bdizzle> on windows, sure, no prob
[04:07] <ardchoille> do you know how to burn an iso to a cd?
[04:08] <bdizzle> ye
[04:08] <bdizzle> s
[04:08] <ardchoille> !sysresccd | bdizzle
[04:08] <joe_> i am talking to a friend of mine and she told me that her computer is very messed up and that she has alot of trogans and virri's but she didn't do them herself her friend's r the one's that did put them on here, how can u guy's help me out with her?
[04:08] <bdizzle> linux, I've only used it for a little under a year, so I haven't gotten to much of the underneath the hood stuff
[04:08] <ardchoille> bdizzle: you're in for a crash course :)
[04:08] <bdizzle> yeah, I figured
[04:09] <joe_> her friend downloaded antispare 09 and she can't even delete it cuz it wont let her do so.
[04:09] <joe_> can anyone help me out here?
[04:09] <joe_> i know little thing's about computer's but noth'n like this srry to say
[04:10] <joe_> here's another problem that she does have
[04:10] <joe_> the xp antispyware 09 thingy now when i go to delete the program it comes up to download it and i cant delete it so idk wat to do to get rid of it
[04:10] <joe_> 23:08 : and my scanner wont rid of it will it??
[04:10] <joe_> can anyone help me out???
[04:10] <ardchoille> joe is this in Windows?
[04:10] <joe_> yes
[04:11] <joe_> xp home
[04:11] <ardchoille> joe_: we can't help with Windows OS
[04:11] <joe_> then, who can???
[04:11] <ardchoille> ##windows maybe
[04:11] <joe_> ok thnx
[04:11] <ardchoille> this is a supprot channel for Kubuntu Linux
[04:12] <joe_> srry that i don't know much about window's probly it's cuz ive been us'n linux and NOT window's
[04:12] <joe_> lol
[04:12] <ardchoille> hehe
[04:12] <ardchoille> I haven't used Windows since 2001 so I know nothing about it
[04:12] <joe_> yeah i know that, i'm not a dumb ass i just thought that u guy's would be able to help me out since u guy's have had to use window's sometime in ur life
[04:12] <joe_> ^_^
[04:13] <joe_> i haven't used window's in about 3 to 4 month's
[04:13] <joe_> yeah i know, laff it rite up
[04:13] <ardchoille> Actually the fact that you use Linux shows me you're smart :)
[04:14] <joe_> how, so?
[04:14] <ardchoille> Topic for another channel I'm afraid
[04:14] <joe_> then im me and tell me
[04:15] <draik> Hello all
[04:15] <ardchoille> hi draik
[04:15] <draik> Any people here on 8.10?
[04:15] <draik> ardchoille: Hello
[04:15] <draik> I'm curious as to how it all looks and responds right now.
[04:16] <ardchoille> I played with it for about an hour and was impressed
[04:16] <ardchoille> And I hated it kde4 when it was released
[04:16] <draik> ardchoille: (That's what she said. Sorry)
[04:16] <opensorce> okay.....wow
[04:16] <nixternal> [/wi3
[04:17] <nixternal> yay! \o/, Kubuntu 5.10 rocks!
[04:17] <draik> IIRC, didn't Amarok cease working with KDE4?
[04:17] <ardchoille> nixternal: and is quite old
[04:17] <opensorce> Everything actually works in Kubuntu this time
[04:17] <draik> nixternal: You may want to try adding 3 years to it
[04:17] <nixternal> except Ant and Zsh...well they work, just not correclty :)
[04:17] <nixternal> 5.10 is stable
[04:18] <nixternal> or is it stale? i forget
[04:18] <ardchoille> nixternal: that's an old release, current is 8.10
[04:18] <nixternal> hrmm
[04:19] <nixternal> g'nite all!
[04:19] <nixternal> enjoy the Ibex!
[04:21] <needhelp> hi i'm using kubuntu 7.10, i want to use the proprietary drivers for my nvidia 8400.. so i go system settings-->advance-->restricted drivers, i log in admin mode, but the option there remains grey! helppp
[04:23] <draik> Is there support for 7.10?
[04:24] <ardchoille> draik: 6 more months?
[04:24] <needhelp> yes
[04:24] <draik> Linux has the hosts file in /etc/hosts. Where do they exist in Windows?
[04:24] <ardchoille> unless 7.10 was an LTS, I don't even know which Kubuntu releases were LTS
[04:25] <draik> It was 6.06, I recall that much
[04:25] <draik> So then...
[04:25] <draik> Yup, 7.10
[04:25] <draik> 9.04 will be the next LTS
[04:25] <juan> hola
[04:25] <ardchoille> nice
[04:25] <juan> hay alguien por hay
[04:25] <ardchoille> so support for 7.10 will run out before support for 6.06 does
[04:26] <draik> !sp | juan
[04:26] <needhelp> hi i'm using kubuntu 7.10, i want to use the proprietary drivers for my nvidia 8400.. so i go system settings-->advance-->restricted drivers, i log in admin mode, but the option there remains grey! helppp
[04:26] <condon> Can someone tell me if there is a way to set wine up (or if it installs set up) to use a 'logon'/'user name' - Trying to run a program that allocates memory to the logged in user account...
[04:26] <draik> !es | juan
[04:26] <condon> don't know what the user name for the windows environment is
[04:26] <juan> ok
[04:27] <needhelp> hi i'm using kubuntu 7.10, i want to use the proprietary drivers for my nvidia 8400.. so i go system settings-->advance-->restricted drivers, i log in admin mode, but the option there remains grey! helppp
[04:27] <opensorce> Does Kubuntu enable ipv6 support by default?
[04:28] <condon> opensource, I believe so, I had to disable it
[04:29] <opensorce> grrr....why do they do that...wouldn't a checkbox be easier?
[04:29] <condon> use firefox?
[04:29] <condon> lol, don't know man, what's worse is when your new and have no idea that's why your browsers running so freakin slow
[04:30] <opensorce> Okay, so if I came in here and said: "Help my internet is really slow!" diabling ipv6 would be a suggestion right?
[04:30] <condon> Yep
[04:30] <opensorce> That's what I needed to know
[04:30] <opensorce> Can it be disabled from the gui?
[04:30] <condon> in firefox (possibly others, only one I use) just type "about:config", in the filter, put ipv6, right click and disable (it'll be the only selection)
[04:31] <opensorce> That was my next question.....anyone know how a new user would disable it system-wide easily?
[04:31] <condon> Sorry, it's a double-click on the line, not a right-click
[04:31] <opensorce> I know condon :-)
[04:31] <condon> ah...talking network wide or PC
[04:32] <opensorce> I'm writing a review :-)
[04:32] <condon> ah
[04:32] <ardchoille> at least the firefox devs made it easy
[04:32] <condon> gotcha
[04:32] <opensorce> PC, can it be done from the gui easily
[04:32] <opensorce> something a newb could do?
[04:33] <ardchoille> I seem to remember disabling ipv6 by editing /etc/hosts
[04:33] <condon> echo "alias net-pf-10 off" >> /etc/modprobe.conf (will send link too)
[04:33] <ardchoille> yep, that's it
[04:33] <condon> http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php/Disable_IPv6
[04:33] <condon> sudo of course
[04:33] <opensorce> condon, the fact that you knew how to do that in firefox is a big plus in my write up btw...
[04:33] <ardchoille> maybe not
[04:33] <ardchoille> I must go rest
[04:33] <opensorce> So, a CLI edit is needed?
[04:34] <condon> lol, don't give me too much credit man, that's all google
[04:34] <opensorce> I've run help channel before....google is your best tool :-)
[04:35] <asobi> why can't soundKonverter convert m4a to mp3?
[04:35] <condon> This is my third install of OS in a year or so (had feisty end of 07, early 08, somewhere in there, wanted to play COD4 and wine was cranky :) so, back to windows, then saw the new ubuntu out here and been back into the linux world
[04:35] <condon> for good this time god willing.
[04:35] <condon> Still have the notes from Feisty :) big help
[04:36] <opensorce> I do 10 to 11 reviews a year
[04:36] <opensorce> You wouldn't believe how many I've done on this machine
[04:37] <condon> :) reviewing for wiki, corp, publications?
[04:37] <draik> I keep a few notebooks around my desk for different things that I come across while using Linux. It helps for resolving other's issues.
[04:37] <condon> Sounds like a nice gig none the less so long as it's paid :)
[04:38] <condon> lol, I'd love that draik, but I can barely swing the high-speed internet that makes having a computer worth while :)
[04:38] <opensorce> Publication, and yeah it's paid....I would not review MicroSuse for free :-)
[04:39] <opensorce> ooo...bad.....
[04:39] <opensorce> wine does not show up in the installanle apps :-(
[04:39] <opensorce> *installable
[04:42] <condon> lol, microsuse
[04:42] <condon> what distro are you reviewing now?
[04:42] <condon> asobi, still here man?
[04:42] <asobi> hi
[04:44] <condon> I don't know about soundKonverter, but I found a nifty set of scripts if your interested.  3 scripts, first one converts every m4a file in a directory to wav, then every wav to mp3, then it cleans up the file names for you (you'll understand when you look at the scripts why the cleanup is necessary)
[04:44] <condon> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/converting-m4a-to-mp3-170553/
[04:44] <draik> condon: These are notebooks that I've been writing since I started back on June 1, 2006 with 6.06
[04:44] <condon> All you need is lame and mplayer for it to work.
[04:45] <condon> AHHHH, NOTEBOOKS...lol, Totally took that the wrong way, was thinking laptop/notebook :)
[04:45] <condon> I'm braindead this time of night.  Yeah, that's my story too, have volumes of notes here and there, all backed up on dvd, copied from one distro to the next :)
[04:45] <draik> I'm doing VNC to my gf's computer because someone went spank-happy and got who-knows-what in there
[04:45] <condon> lol, nice.
[04:46] <opensorce> It's kinda awesome that Kubuntu completely embraces kde4 (Oxygen, etc) while Mandriva just made it look like 3.x
[04:46] <condon> I get to clean my bosses's computers up every few months.  Anyone with kids should not be allowed to let them use their computers without some sort of monitoring software.  Hell, keeps me in a job though :)
[04:46] <draik> condon: Not really. I've been at this since Monday
[04:47] <condon> well, not so nice then :)
[04:47] <condon> unless you're getting paid, cleanup sucks.
[04:47] <draik> I try to clean it and then I have about a 5 minute window of usage before her system decides to shutdown.
[04:47] <condon> Still sucks really, just a little less.
[04:48] <condon> ouch.  No hardware warnings (S.M.A.R.T. harddrive warnings) or anything like that?
[04:48] <draik> Nope
[04:48] <draik> WinXP. Going in through Safe Mode with Networking
[04:48] <draik> Can't use "normal" boot
[04:48] <condon> hm.  That's why I despise windows.  It's so easy for a computer-savy person to destroy...the computer illiterate just demolish them.
[04:49] <opensorce> lol
[04:49] <condon> opensorce, I hear ya man, I'm loving the new kde.  Still figuring it all out but it's certainly flashy (while remaining useful)
[04:49] <asobi> wow. very detailed. maybe too much so for a beginner but thanks
[04:49] <draik> I'm running PS3 on the side and it's funny to see that AmarokApp and XORG are running at a higher usage level than TSClient
[04:50] <draik> And I just got booted.
[04:50] <draik> UGH
[04:50] <condon> eh, not too hard, just google a bit for creating the scripts, drop them in your directory and run them (probably gonna take a while to convert a whole folder)
[04:51] <jhdinsdale> !list
[04:52] <condon> OK, complete newb question to make you all feel smarter :)
[04:52] <condon> WTF is the dashboard in kde4
[04:52] <condon> (probably in earlier versions too)
[04:56]  * draik is bored
[04:57] <draik> Is there a way to download definition updates for programs? Spyware Hunter, for example?
[05:02] <b0nn> hrm, I've dist-upgraded, but have now filled my HDD
[05:03] <digitalpsyko> o.0
[05:03] <b0nn> how do I get rid of unnecessary fluff related to the upgrade?
[05:05] <pipegeek> quick question about kopete in intrepid..... it seems that there's no way to configure the font color used in sent messages, and, moreover, the spell-check-as-you-type feature temporarily changes the color of any red-underlined text.  Is there any way to fix this?  It renders dark themes mostly useless.\
[05:05] <pipegeek> :-\
[05:05] <b0nn> I estimate that I have ~6-700 mb sitting somewhere doing nothing
[05:06] <vbgunz_> anybody use ramlog? do you know what could possibly be stopping ramlog from starting up?
[05:09] <condon> is it crashing?
[05:10] <condon> What messages come up when you run it from console?
[05:19] <condon> Well ladies and gents, I'm off.  Take it easy.
[05:31] <setuid_w00t> Is pointing my sources.list at the intrepid sources and then running aptitude sufficient to upgrade from hardy?
[05:35] <ezzieyguywuf> so, how is the new kde compared to the last version?
[05:36] <ezzieyguywuf> i'm a gnome user. tried out a fresh install of kubuntu a week and a half ago (hardy heron) and did not really like it
[05:36] <ezzieyguywuf> i'm all for giving it another chance, but if the new version is pretty similar to the last release i probably won't
[05:40] <deftone> how do i update drivers?
[05:40] <nicobrain> good morning
[05:40] <nicobrain> i have trouble with the update to 8.10
[05:41] <nicobrain> after the upgrgrade i become only a blank black screen with the mouse
[05:43] <nicobrain> anybody here?
[05:43] <taupter_nb> Hi there. Problem here. 8.10 amd64, freshly installed (not upgraded), Broadcom 4311 (using STA driver, modules wl, ieee80211_crypt, ieee80211_crypt_tkip) doesn't connect to an AP using WPA.
[05:55] <taupter_nb> Hi there. Problem here. 8.10 amd64, freshly installed (not upgraded), Broadcom 4311 (using STA driver, modules wl, ieee80211_crypt, ieee80211_crypt_tkip) doesn't connect to an AP using WPA. Finds SSID.
[06:01] <mot_> anybody else unable to get their kde4 settings to save after a reboot? my taskbar shortcuts, folder view position/sizing and other widget settings keep reverting to default.
[06:07] <MariachiElf> Anyone got video to work on 8.10 under MS Virtual Server 2007
[06:07] <MariachiElf> ?
[06:10] <blinkm> hello ppl down there
[06:25] <jtmoney> is anyone here familiar with fakeraid (firmware-based raid)? i'm wondering why it's recommended that it NOT be used with ubuntu... if i set up a simple RAID1 (mirrored) array, would i not be able to take one of the drives and use it with a new RAID controller, if need be?
[06:26] <madnux_> hi all!
[06:26] <madnux_> i need some help, I upgrade to 8.10 from kubuntu 8.04
[06:27] <cryingtux> kubuntu 8.10 is giving me "pink and black screen only on reboot"
[06:27] <cryingtux> what a weird thing!
[06:27] <madnux_> install the packages, restart and after grub I see a message someting with /var/run/klog or something like that
[06:28] <madnux_> the system can't write
[06:28] <cryingtux> all i see is a 2/3rd pink and 1/3 black screen with no desktop
[06:28] <cryingtux> anybody knows what is going wrong ?
[06:30] <xevix> cryingtux, is this after trying to log in through kdm, or before kdm pops up?
[06:30] <beta-guy> how to I get the Panel at the bottom of the screen to fill the entirety of the the bottom of the screen?
[06:31] <cryingtux> xevious: on boot from livecd, all i get is that
[06:31] <cryingtux> system fully boots into that pink black thing
[06:31] <deftone> beta-guy
[06:32] <deftone> right click and hit panel settings
[06:32] <jmichaelx> madnux_: are you able to log in at all?
[06:32] <madnux_> jmichaelx, no
[06:32] <deftone> u see the two blue arrows facing down? drag one the left and the other to the right.
[06:33] <beta-guy> deftone thanks
[06:33] <jmichaelx> madnux_: have you tried hitting, say, ctl-alt-f2 and logging in?
[06:33] <deftone> welcome
[06:33] <madnux_> after charging grub, select the kernel (last), the kubuntu splash appear... before the progress bar get full, change to text mode and show a error
[06:34] <madnux_> no X loading here
[06:34] <jmichaelx> madnux_: i understand that..... have you tried entering ctl-alt-f2 and signing in?
[06:34] <madnux_> something appear with /var/run/kdlog, the system can't write
[06:35] <madnux_> not yet
[06:36] <jmichaelx> madnux_: i had what sounds like the same problem.... and i had to just do a fresh install. however, there is no way to know whether or not this is actually the same problem
[06:36] <cryingtux> i guess kubuntu is not for me anymore or i should go back to 7.10
[06:36] <jmichaelx> madnux_: i was able to sign in, but it would not let me use 'sudo' or write to anything
[06:37] <madnux_> jmichaelx, I will try to make a fresh install, the .iso still downloading
[06:37] <madnux_> jmichaelx, with the livecd I backup all my files
[06:38] <jmichaelx> madnux_: good... and i would recommend, if possible, to have your /home dir on a separate partition, that way re-installing is not nearly so painful
[06:38] <jmichaelx> madnux_: what kind of hardware do you have?
[06:38] <madnux_> jmichaelx, ok
[06:40] <madnux_> jmichaelx, Pentium 4 HT 3.0 Ghz, 1 GB RAM, 250 GB on SATA, Nvidia 7950 GT
[06:40] <MariachiElf> Anyone heard of a problem where only 1/3 of the screen is visible
[06:41] <MariachiElf> I have a bunch of green and black bars in the top/middle of the screen and the rest is black
[06:41] <jmichaelx> madnux_:    ok, quite different than what i have.... i am just trying to figure out what caused all of this
[06:41] <MariachiElf> I have disabled X in all capacities as far as I can tell
[06:41] <MariachiElf> but I can't tell really well
[06:41] <madnux_> jmichaelx, if I can login, I wll try with another apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:42] <madnux_> maybe some package is corrupt
[06:42] <jmichaelx> madnux_: good luck. i was able to log in, but it would not let me use sudo
[06:42] <madnux_> 65 % ISO
[06:44] <faileas> MariachiElf: sounds a LOT like  an error i got with non standard resolutions. try control alternate (some f key) to see if virtual terminals look ok?
[06:45] <MariachiElf> Terminal looks the same
[06:45] <MariachiElf> I see errors on not able to set 640x480
[06:45] <MariachiElf> I am installing on MS Virtual Server 2007
[06:45] <carloslicea> ey I cannot install kooka!
[06:45] <faileas> 'the same' as in messed up or ok?
[06:45] <CrypTom> hi all, I've upgraded my dapper server to hardy and now I have the problem that after every reboot I've got to resetup the console keymap (dpkg-reconfigure console-data)
[06:45] <CrypTom> why is this not persistent?
[06:46] <MariachiElf> I see references to not supporting a color depth of 24, but supposedly the console should be ok
[06:46] <MariachiElf> faileas: Yes the consolse is messed up too
[06:46] <carloslicea> why isn't kooka available for instalation?
[06:46] <faileas> MariachiElf: hmm, thats very odd
[06:47] <MariachiElf> faileas: I tried a "recovery mode" startup thinking that X wouldn't try and run
[06:47] <bob__> hello
[06:47] <carloslicea> !scan
[06:47] <MariachiElf> faileas: I can't tell if X tried to start or not, but the screen is messed up in single mode too
[06:47] <faileas> MariachiElf: which disk are you using? the standard one or alt?
[06:47] <faileas> er, standard alt or server i mean
[06:48] <bob__> I have installed Kubuntu Ibex, I don't retrieve the ark menu in Dolphin, how can I add it please?
[06:48] <MariachiElf> faileas: I installed with the alt  -- The standard desktop one gave me the same problems
[06:48] <MariachiElf> faileas: alternative i386
[06:48] <faileas> MariachiElf: try doing a text only install from alt
[06:49] <MariachiElf> faileas: I did -- and I have it installed
[06:49] <carloslicea> help! where do I get Kooka from 3.5?
[06:49] <MariachiElf> faileas: And I could read everything fine during the install
[06:49] <faileas> MariachiElf: hmm. and when you installed x later things went wrong?
[06:50] <MariachiElf> faileas: Well I never installed X intentionally, I just did all the default stuff
[06:53] <MariachiElf> faileas: Somewhere during bootup the screen res changes and gets 1/3 usable
[06:53] <faileas> MariachiElf: hmm
[06:53] <faileas> how about safe mode?
[06:53] <carloslicea> !kde3
[06:53] <MariachiElf> faileas: Same problem which is a little confusing
[06:54] <MariachiElf> faileas: I assumed recovery mode wouldn't try and start X
[06:54] <carloslicea> I badly, as in a terrible thing will happen, need Kooka from the 3.5 series, I found the package in launchpad but I cannot meet the requeriments
[06:54] <faileas> no. safe mode is supposed to start x with failsafe settings
[06:54] <faileas> this is baffleing
[06:54] <carloslicea> what do I do!?
[06:54] <MariachiElf> faileas: Oh - that's my problem then
[06:55] <MariachiElf> faileas: I haven't figured out why yet, but my video is totally useless
[06:55] <faileas> MariachiElf: well.. unless you absolutely HAVE to use ms virtual server... might i suggest switching to vmware server or virtualbox?
[06:56] <MariachiElf> I'm familiar with VMWare so might use that
[06:57] <faileas> i hate suggesting alternates, but i haven't had much experience with MS VPC/server but i know ubuntu/kubuntu runs fine on the other two
[06:58] <MariachiElf> faileas: I'm doing a dist-upgrade (I just installed 8.10) after that I'll try forcing the resolutions on MS VS
[06:58] <faileas> MariachiElf: good luck.
[07:02] <MariachiElf> faileas: Thanks
[07:03] <busfahrer> Excuse me, is it possible to have a multi-line taskbar in KDE4?
[07:06] <woody86> I have Ubuntu 8.10 installed, and want to install Kubuntu 8.10 as well. Do I just go to Syanptic manager and install kubuntu-desktop and all it's required packages, or is there more to it?
[07:07] <Dedi> thats all
[07:08] <woody86> Dedi- well that's easy enough :)  And it'll be the latest KDE4.1 or whatever?
[07:08] <busfahrer> woody86: Yeah, KDE 4.1.2. It should ask you at the end if you want to change your login manager from gdm to kdm. If not, there's a command to do it
[07:08] <Dedi> yeah 412
[07:08] <woody86> very cool, thanks guys :)
[07:10] <miguel> hola
[07:10] <miguel> =)
[07:10] <woody86> hola miguel, como estas?
[07:13] <mankeletor> hi all, how can i bring the classic KDE power off menu back in kubuntu?
[07:20] <mankeletor> hi all, how can i bring the classic KDE power off menu back in kubuntu?
[07:22] <MariachiElf> faileas: Interesting -- I'm not sure what I've done -- I ran X -probeonly
[07:22] <MariachiElf> faileas: Then executed a startx
[07:23] <MariachiElf> faileas: and it is small (probably 640x480) but beautiful
[07:25] <jham__> Is there any way in Kubuntu 8.10 to change the keyboard shortcuts for things like copy & paste to Meta-C/V globablly across all apps?
[07:30] <Dedi> anyone else got strange IMAP behavior with kmail? (mails disapearing and reappering for any new mails which werent here when starting kmail)
[07:48] <squid0> hi. I have a package for an X driver that's giving me hassles. I'd like to use the same package from the previous release (Hardy). I thought I'd download the .deb, and then install it via dpkg. How do I force apt to use the old package, even when I upgrade?
[07:48] <squid0> (the old package worked fine)
[07:52] <Ratchet4620> i dont think that they are too active at 3am sorry :3
[07:54] <ardchoille> squid0: That would only lead you on a trail of problem after problem
[07:55] <squid0> Ratchet4620: thanks... well it's 9:55am where I am
[07:55] <ardchoille> it's called dependency hell
[07:55] <Ratchet4620> ah :)
[07:55] <squid0> ardchoille: ah. so what can I do if my graphics card driver is buggy?
[07:55] <squid0> the intel driver, particularly
[07:56] <squid0> practically I can't watch video
[07:56] <ardchoille> squid0: What I did was go back to Hardy and will wait for 9.04 and see if it's better.
[07:56] <squid0> ardchoille: right. and if I still want to stay in Intrepid?
[07:57] <ardchoille> I don't know what to tell you except upgrade your video equipment. But if you go forcing the install of packages made for previous distros you may end up have to replace tons of apps and libs and you may end up back on Hardy after all of that
[07:58] <squid0> right
[07:58] <squid0> I can't upgrade the hardware; it's a very stable, common Intel graphics card, and it's built in to my laptop :p
[07:59] <aomegax4> Hi
[07:59] <ardchoille> well, I'll tell you that I saw numerous people in here today with video problems in Intrepid. You can always wait and see if they fix it
[08:00] <squid0> ardchoille: true. I've filed a bug report on freedesktop already
[08:00] <squid0> btw which is a better place to report bugs, freedesktop or ubuntu?
[08:00] <aomegax4> I'd like to know if I upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 my system will work
[08:00] <squid0> in terms of getting it fixed quicker
[08:00] <ardchoille> squid0: the best place to report *buntu bugs is launchpad
[08:00] <squid0> aomegax4: a good start is trying the live cd
[08:00] <ardchoille> !launchpad
[08:01] <squid0> ardchoille: ok...
[08:01] <aomegax4> squid0: so you say me to install all deleting my old version?
[08:03] <squid0> aomegax4: no. boot with the LIVE-CD, DO NOT install yet. see if that works. do you understand?
[08:03] <ardchoille> squid0: suppose you want packageX ut it only works with depA1 and you have depA2 installed. you need to remove depA2 and install depA1. But now packageW won't work because it's incompatible with depA1. So you remove packageW, but that's a dependency of 10 other packages. Can you see where this is going?
[08:04] <squid0> I do, ardchoille
[08:04] <ardchoille> I learned that the hard way some years ago
 I understand you...
[08:06] <squid0> aomegax4: ok, good. If you are not sure if installing a new system will work, first try the live-cd
[08:06] <squid0> aomegax4: afterwards, if you decide to install the system properly, first backup all of your data and files
[08:08] <ralpho> How do you resize the taskbar panel whatever its called 8.10
[08:08] <ralpho> doh
 why would I try first live cd? what would I decide on?
[08:11] <ardchoille> aomegax4: The livecd gives you a chance to "test drive" the distro and make an informed decision as to whether or not you want to install it
[08:11] <ardchoille> I tried the live cd to see if I wanted to install Intrepid over Hardy and decided not to. I couldn't have made that decision without the live cd
[08:11] <ardchoille> screenshot can only show you so much
[08:12] <woody86> ok, so what happened? I had Ubuntu 8.10 installed with the internet working, and I installed Kubuntu as well, but now I can't connect to my wireless network??
[08:12] <aomegax4> thanks ardchoille
[08:12] <ardchoille> yw :)
[08:22] <DaHopi> Hello :) is it possible to use all of my 4GB RAM on the new Kubuntu 8.10 i386?
[08:25] <favro> afaik you need to use the 64bit os for ram over about 3.5G - windows or linux
[08:28] <DaHopi> favro: ok.. thanx
[08:28] <favro> np
[08:31] <woody86> Can anyone help me out? I used to be able to connect fine in Gnome, but after I installed KDE, I can't connect to my netwrok in Gnome anymore
[08:33] <impulze> is it possible to build binaries in say ~/mykdestuff (given a source was configured with --prefix=/home/foo/mykdestuff) and add that to the kde search dirs?
[08:33] <impulze> i tried adding it in prefixes= in ~/.kderc [Directories] without any luck :(
[08:39] <DaHopi> impulze: maybe this will help!?: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde&m=118134654509367&w=2
[08:39] <Machtin> howdy.. how can i make a screenshot.. pressing "print" doesn't have any effect
[08:39] <impulze> hm i wonder if kde reads PATH
[08:39] <impulze> will check
[08:40] <DaHopi> Machtin: ksnapshot is the tool u need..
[08:40] <Machtin> thanks
[08:40] <DaHopi> Machtin: u can create shortkey in systemsettings
[08:40] <Machtin> :) thanks again!
[08:40] <favro> woody86: can you use the network in kde? or is it just gnome that is giving grief?
[08:43] <Machtin> hm.. i don't get how to create a shortcut there
[08:43] <woody86> favro, I used to connect fine in gnome, but could not connect in KDE, and after installing KDE can't connect in Gnome now either
[08:46] <favro> woody86: can you paste the files /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf?
[08:46] <favro> !paste | woody86
[08:47] <Machtin> so.. how do i add a shortkey to launch ksnapshot? :o
[08:47] <impulze> DaHopi: well now the stuff is in PATH
[08:47] <impulze> DaHopi: but the screensavers i installed won't show in the screen saver settings
[08:48] <woody86> favro, ok, just give me one second here, I'm not going to be able to use pastebin as the computer I'm having this problem with won't connect to the internet, was there anything in particular you're looking for from those files?
[08:49] <favro> woody86: sorry - of course you can't paste - in /etc/resolv.conf it should have your router ip address as the nameserver
[08:49] <favro> woody86: e.g. 192.168.1.1
[08:51] <bentob0x> how can I save my current dolphin layout as being the default?
[08:56] <woody86> favro, it just says "# Generated by NetworkManager"
[08:57] <favro> woody86: I would manually add the nameserver address - nameserver  192.168.1.1 or whatever is appropriate
[09:00] <woody86> favro, just add "nameserver 192....." to the file? just like that?
[09:00] <favro> woody86: the only line in my /etc/resolv.conf - nameserver 192.168.0.1
[09:01] <woody86> favro, it's still not working
[09:01] <favro> woody86: you'll have to restart the network
[09:02] <favro> woody86: sudo /etc/init.d/network restart   in a terminal
[09:02] <deftone> so is ubuntu 8.10 live today?
[09:03] <impulze> so DaHopi any more ideas?
[09:03] <favro> !ibex
[09:03] <favro> hehe - deftone yep it is released
[09:03] <user6> I got this:   >>>>>> * Stopping Samba daemons... start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill xxxx : No such process
[09:03] <woody86> favro, it's saying command not found
[09:03] <user6> WHAT IS???
[09:04] <DaHopi> Machtin: in Systemsettings->Keyboard and Mouse, there u can define snapshots
[09:04] <favro> woody86: try   ls /etc/init.d | grep network   to make sure
[09:05] <woody86> favro, "networking"
[09:05] <Machtin> DaHopi: i do find systemsettings -> keyboard and mouse.. and i find a list with shortcuts there.. but i can't find how to add one
[09:06] <favro> woody86: my bad then :) -  sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[09:06] <deftone> favro: any place i can see what bugs were fixed...mainly Intel GM965 ?
[09:06] <DaHopi> impulze: try this.. :http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php/Add_kde_screensavers_to_xscreensaver
[09:07] <favro> !launchpad | deftone
[09:08] <woody86> favro, still not connecting :(
[09:08] <favro> woody86: k - and what is in /etc/network/interfaces?
[09:08] <faileas> hmm
[09:08] <woody86> favro, the ip address for the nameserver is the one you'd type into a browser to configure the router, correct?
[09:09] <favro> woody86: correct
[09:09] <impulze> DaHopi: uhm but that won't work for plasmoids, themes, etc. :P
[09:10] <woody86> favro, "auto lo
[09:10] <woody86> iface lo inet loopback"
[09:10] <user6> Il file o la cartella smb://altrortla/ non esiste.
[09:11] <favro> woody86: using wired network? - there should be an entry for eth0 in that file
[09:11] <jb_> hello!
[09:11] <favro> !es | user6
[09:11] <jb_> how can i format my usb hdd?
[09:11] <user6> File or folder smb://altrortla/ not exist
[09:11] <woody86> favro, I don't have it wired right now
[09:12] <mkrahmeh> i use kde till last night, shut down and everything was fine..now i turned it on, and went into a gnome session, why ?
[09:12] <woody86> favro, I haven't had it wired in a long time
[09:12] <favro> user6: there should be a hostname or ip address in there somewhere iirc
[09:12] <favro> woody86: wireless?
[09:12] <user6> ubottu i'm italian not portugues
[09:12] <jb_> how can i format my usb hdd?
[09:12] <woody86> favro, yeah everything in my house is wireless
[09:13] <favro> user6: I thought it was spanish you were speaking...
[09:13] <user6> ok
[09:13] <deftone> how can i update my system now the 8.10 is live?
[09:13] <deftone> specifically video drivers is there are any for Intel GM965
[09:14] <deftone> *if there are any
[09:14] <user6> !samba
[09:14] <favro> woody86: you need an entry in there for wireless then - I never use wireless sorry - if you had to do steps to enable it before you need to redo them then
[09:15] <jtmoney> hey guys, what is the crescent-looking thing in the top-right corner of the screen? how can i disable it?
[09:15] <woody86> favro, ah, ok thanks :)
[09:15] <ardchoille> jtmoney: That allows you to add widgets to the main window
[09:16] <jtmoney> ardchoille: it's kind of ugly... i'd rather just right-click on the desktop or hit ^A, personally
[09:16] <jtmoney> do you know what it's called so i can google "how to remove <ugly thing in KDE>"? :)
[09:16] <ardchoille> jtmoney: Well, I always have so many windows open that I never see my desktop so much of plasma is wasted
[09:17] <ardchoille> it's part of plasma and I think we're stuck with it
[09:17] <favro> woody86: just a heads up - if you install a new kernel you need to redo things like wireless if they needed a module loaded
[09:17] <jb_> how can i format my usb hdd?
[09:18] <ardchoille> jb_: qtparted is a nice gui for that
[09:18] <woody86> favro, well I had upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10 in Gnome with no side efects, but for some reason I installed KDE as well (still have Gnome, too) and it won't work?
[09:19] <deftone> Is anyone running compiz on Intel's GM965??//
[09:19] <favro> woody86: at this stage I can't offer any reasons for that - except it's prob murphys' law
[09:19] <woody86> favro, haha, too true. Thanks again for your help :)
[09:19] <CrazyKlompjes> Greetings! I have a big problem with my "adept_manager"
[09:19] <jb_> ardchoille: is there any application installed by default in K 8.10 that can do that?
[09:20] <CrazyKlompjes> I can't find apps to download using that manager...
[09:20] <ardchoille> jb_: Not that I'm aware of
[09:20] <CrazyKlompjes> the search yields no applications to download-
[09:20]  * ardchoille chants aptitude aptitude
[09:21] <CrazyKlompjes> but aptitude has no gui :(
[09:21] <CrazyKlompjes> so I can't browse through apps ardchoille-
[09:21] <ardchoille> that's true
[09:22] <ardchoille> I never thought of browsing through apps
[09:22] <favro> CrazyKlompjes: is it only looking for the cd to install from?
[09:22] <CrazyKlompjes> Maybe I just have to wait a week till people start releasing their Kubuntu 8.10 apps--more fully--
[09:22] <ardchoille> if I need a pdf reader I just do "apt-cache search pdf"
[09:22] <CrazyKlompjes> favro-no it isnt
[09:22] <CrazyKlompjes> I got the source list from http://www.kubuntuguide.org
[09:23] <CrazyKlompjes> oh...
[09:23] <favro> !info kpdf
[09:23] <CrazyKlompjes> let me try that-
[09:23] <jb_> ardchoille: therefore i should install qtparted and format my usb drive with it?
[09:23] <CrazyKlompjes> ...kpdf...disappeared...
[09:23] <CrazyKlompjes> well
[09:23] <CrazyKlompjes> thanks for the info guys-will take it from here :)
[09:23] <favro> ardchoille: yep
[09:23] <ardchoille> jb_: That's what I would do, qyparted has been a favorite of mine for a while.
[09:24] <jb_> ardchoille: you are right, it's good, i have used it a few times
[09:24] <favro> !find kpdf
[09:25] <ardchoille> kpdf may have been moved into a "group" and is now contained in a parent package
[09:25] <favro> shows up here with apt-cache search
[09:26] <ardchoille> !info kghostview
[09:26] <ardchoille> favro: kpdf?
[09:27] <faileas> i seem to remember okular handleing PDFs on KDE 4.1... for some reason
[09:27] <favro> kpdf - PDF viewer for KDE - from my terminal
[09:27] <ardchoille> ah, cool
[09:27] <favro> but I'm not on intrepid
[09:27] <ardchoille> so the bot doesn't have all of the info
[09:27] <jussi01> okular is the new pdf viewer
[09:28] <jussi01> !info okular
[09:28] <faileas> bleh
[09:28] <faileas> seems the wine / intrepid repos arn't working for me
[09:28] <jb_> i am having issues activating the proprietary format for ATI in k 8.10
[09:29] <aapzak> if I wish to make permanent changes to my xorg.conf, how should I do that? xorg.conf now looks like a very generic file
[09:30] <impulze> to xorg.conf :P
[09:30] <impulze> open -> save
[09:30] <favro> aapzak: kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf   will let you make changes - make a backup tho
[09:30] <aapzak> ok, but now there is actually nothing inthere, all auto config stuff. Will for instance my mouse keep working if I add just a videocard refenernce inthere?
[09:30] <ardchoille> jussi01: If I have a good idea on how to improve kubuntu, whom do I submit the idea to?
[09:31] <ardchoille> aapzak: it should so long as you don't make changes to the mouse section
[09:32] <aapzak> its all default this, default that now, just add my vidcard stuff you say?
[09:32] <ardchoille> aapzak: I would recommend making a backup before doing any editing; sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:32] <jussi01> ardchoille: depends, brainstorm or report a bug
[09:32] <jussi01> !brainstorm
[09:32] <ardchoille> jussi01: Ah, thanks
[09:32] <jussi01> !bug | ardchoille
[09:32] <ardchoille> it's not a bug, more of an improvement
[09:33] <aapzak> ardchoille: yeah, backing up is a good thing in this matter :)
[09:33] <jussi01> ardchoille: brainstorm Id think then
[09:33] <stefano> divx
[09:34] <favro> xvid
[09:34] <ardchoille> I never realized until now that those two mirror each other
[09:35] <aapzak> anyone here got advise on getting the most out of intel X3100 vidcard and KDE4?
[09:36] <aapzak> Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" is one thing I found
[09:37] <lup0> aapzak: did it help?
[09:37] <aapzak> I'm gonna try now, but am not sure how to test it properly
[09:37] <lup0> aapzak: does transparency and 3D-effects on videos work for you?
[09:37] <aapzak> lup0: haven't tried
[09:38] <aapzak> lup0: is that not working for you? which player?
[09:38] <i0i0> hi@all..
[09:38] <lup0> aapzak: I have the Lenovo x300 with a X3100 Intel videochip and I'm using KDE4
[09:38] <ulysses__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/65075/ kubuntu 8.10 was installed yesterday, but it doesn't boot, i have no idea how to do it
[09:39] <aapzak> we're probably having the same problems then
[09:39] <lup0> aapzak: not working for me, I get the blue background for the video when desktop effects affect the video
[09:39] <i0i0> someone has problems with virtualbox and bridging? kubuntu 8.10 virtualbox 2.0.4
[09:39] <aapzak> I'll have to dl video first :)
[09:40] <frafra> hi all
[09:41] <frafra> I've just installed kubuntu 8.10. I would like that my /dev/sda3 will automounted at every boot. Is it possible?
[09:41] <aapzak> lup0: which player are you using?
[09:41] <lup0> aapzak: mplayer normally
[09:42] <ulysses__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/65075/ nobody can help?:S
[09:43] <ubuntu_> frafra: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/fstab
[09:44] <Larson> is it possible to get the 177 nvidia drivers in hardy? (I want to test that it actually performs properly before going to 8.10)
[09:44] <aapzak> lup0: transparent video is working
[09:44] <frafra> ubuntu_, this isn't in english
[09:44] <lup0> aapzak: with XAA ?
[09:44] <aapzak> without even
[09:44] <aapzak> I have not tweaked my xorg.conf yet
[09:45] <lup0> aapzak: I haven't tested this with 8.10 yet, so maybe there has been a fix
[09:45] <aapzak> aight
[09:46] <ulysses__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/65075/  please help me
[09:46] <ubuntu_> frafra: oh, im sorry.. u have to add a line like this to /etc/fstab:
[09:47] <ubuntu_> frafra: /dev/sda3   /media/<dirtomount>   reiserfs   defaults   0   2
[09:48] <ulysses__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/65075/ can somedody help me, please?
[09:48] <frafra> ubuntu_: thanks :) in "mount" I see how does it mount this ntfs partition... seems a bit different... Otherwise, could I say to kde to mount this device automatically?
[09:49] <ardchoille> jussi01: Done, thanks for the tip :)
[09:50] <Muzer> Does Kubuntu-KDE4 use 4.1 now, or is it still on 4.0?
[09:50] <ubuntu_> frafra: i think theres no solution in kde themself..
[09:51] <ardchoille> iirc, it's on 4.2.1
[09:51] <aapzak> 4.1.2
[09:51] <ardchoille> er, 4.1.2
[09:51] <Muzer> And does it still crash every time you click on a directory in Dolphin? :p
[09:51] <aapzak> Muzer: never seen that
[09:51] <Muzer> (you can probably see why I switched to openSUSE)
[09:51] <ardchoille> Muzer: I played with intrepid for about an hour and nothing crashed on me.
[09:51] <Muzer> good
[09:51] <ardchoille> And I was _trying_ to break it :)
[09:51] <Muzer> because that happened all the time in Hardy
[09:51] <Muzer> ;p
[09:51] <faileas> ;p
[09:52] <Muzer> If I rebooted the computer, it opened my previous session
[09:52] <Muzer> but then
[09:52] <ubuntu_> frafra, u can use this links for ntfs fstab information: http://www.swerdna.net.au/linhowtontfs.html
[09:52] <Muzer> if I opened a folder, it used to crash
[09:52] <Muzer> every time
[09:52] <Muzer> and if I click and drag a folder, it used to crash
[09:52] <OpenSorce> Keep in mind I usually use IceWM on Slack......I closed the little translucent "desktop" window on the desktop....how do I get it back?
[09:52] <ardchoille> Muzer: the dolphin on intrepid is very different than the dolphin in Hardy
[09:52] <Muzer> and recently plugged devices used to always freeze and stay on the screen...
[09:52] <Muzer> good
[09:52] <Muzer> :)
[09:52] <ubuntu__> hello
[09:52] <Muzer> I'm gonna try it then
[09:52] <faileas> what can i say... its a alpha
[09:52] <ardchoille> Some say the one in hardy wasn't actually dolphin at all
[09:52] <Muzer> I'll also be able to get openGL hardware support, something I couldn't do in openSUSE :)
[09:53] <aapzak> OpenSorce: I think you deleted a widget
[09:53] <Muzer> anyway, I'm gonna download it now
[09:53] <Muzer> bai
[09:53] <OpenSorce> openSUSE....*HISS*
[09:53] <aapzak> OpenSorce: so add the widget again
[09:53] <faileas> lol
[09:53] <OpenSorce> aapzak, gotcha
[09:53] <faileas> that was my second distro ;p
[09:53] <faileas> oddly its what got me into ubuntu ;p
[09:53] <OpenSorce> Don't use MicroSuse....it's evel
[09:53] <OpenSorce> *evil
[09:54] <faileas> OpenSorce: lol. Yast made me switch
[09:54] <Muzer> well, its KDE4 implementation was miles better than Hardy's
[09:54] <Muzer> I'll have to see how this one fares
[09:54] <OpenSorce> faileas, yeah, that would do it :-)
[09:54] <ardchoille> Muzer: I had my doubts when kde4.0 came out, but intrepid actually impressed me
[09:54] <Muzer> :)
[09:54] <faileas> Muzer: well, i'm was half considering switching to lxde or enlightenment when i first tried intrepid...
[09:54] <lup0> aapzak: yep, works for me now also
[09:55] <faileas> then i went and installed it on my spare system too ;p
[09:55] <Muzer> well, openSUSE impressed me in the way that it crashed in only half the situations that Hardy-KDE4 did :p
[09:55] <OpenSorce> so for the widget, just folder view right?
[09:55] <faileas> i haven't had any showstoppy crashes yet
[09:55] <faileas> i'm a little dissapointed. started with beta, then RC ;p
[09:56] <OpenSorce> Yeah, that was easy
[09:56] <aapzak> OpenSorce: you got it?
[09:56] <OpenSorce> yup
[09:56] <aapzak> kewl
[09:56] <favro> faileas: you need to try harder to get the showstoppy crashes :)
[09:57] <OpenSorce> aapzak, thanks :-)
[09:57] <aapzak> you're welcome ofcourse
[09:57] <faileas> favro: been using it normally. oddly the only (resolved) issue i have is with virtualbox ;p
[09:57] <favro> hehe
[09:58] <aapzak> I actually like gentoo or arch much better than ubuntu, but nowdays I want a machine thats just working, thats why I switchted to ubuntu
[09:58] <OpenSorce> This opacity is awesome......I'm browsing the web, watching Antitrust and watching this chat window all at once
[09:58] <Larson> no one who knows if it is possible to install the 177 version of the nvidia drivers on 8.04?
[09:59] <aapzak> I think the alt-tab thingy is way over the top
[09:59] <favro> Larson: I've heard that the kernel in ibex has issues with the older nvidia drivers
[09:59] <faileas> aapzak: which one? the vista style one or the coverflow style one?
[09:59] <OpenSorce> I even got WoW to run on this......usually with a WM this bloated the gameplay is crap.....this fairly good though
[09:59] <aapzak> default one? not sure, BIG windows
[09:59] <aapzak> coverflow I think
[10:00] <faileas> aapzak: they both have big windows ;p
[10:00] <favro> BIG windows are normally the wrong resolution
[10:00] <aapzak> :)
[10:00] <Larson> favro: yeah, but I want the newer driver on hardy.. to test if it actually performs.. the older nvidia drivers are horrible with kde4
[10:00] <Larson> so I don't want to upgrade before I know it will not drive me to insanity
[10:00] <aapzak> I like the compiz taskswitcher much better
[10:00] <faileas> i use the vista style one, which is kinda shiny ;p
[10:01] <aapzak> in the RC's I switched of all eyecandy
[10:01] <faileas> well thats one of the things i wanted to try
[10:01] <faileas> the x3100 i have had issues with compiz.
[10:02] <aapzak> until now my x3100 seems to perform reasonably
[10:03] <faileas> i never got it to do the things my 4 year old laptop could ><
[10:03] <faileas> with a crap intel chipset
[10:03] <aapzak> x3100 is intel?
[10:03] <amerigo> !firefox
[10:03] <aapzak> !x3100
[10:03] <faileas> yeah, but its a REALLY good intel one
[10:04] <amerigo> !netbeans
[10:04] <favro> !info netbeans
[10:05] <mvv> Hi, I'm testing 8.10, does anybody know how I fix the huge fonts in gtk apps?
[10:05] <aapzak> faileas: both taskswitchers are too blingy for me, but I think I like the Vistaone better
[10:05] <aapzak> it moves better
[10:05] <faileas> aapzak: yeah and you can see ahead
[10:06] <aapzak> haha, I was switching konsoles and I saw your line coming in while I looked at the switcher, kewl
[10:06] <Muzer> wow :p
[10:06] <Muzer> the download site doesn't work on IE
[10:06] <Muzer> (that is what is on the only computer where the burner works)
[10:07] <favro> Muzer: which site please?
[10:07] <favro> a link?
[10:07] <Muzer> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[10:07] <Muzer> clicking the download button does nothing
[10:07] <Muzer> for me
[10:08] <Muzer> (just having to download on another computer and then transfer via SMB which doesn't work properly)
[10:08] <jimmy__> oin galera
[10:09] <aapzak> ok, going to reboot for XAA
[10:09] <jimmy__> to com alguenm tem a ultima verçao do gyachi/
[10:10] <nlefk83> hello ! quick question : should i upgrade my 8.04 installation to 8.10 or will it get messy ? :)
[10:10] <jimmy__> oi galerinha  to com um gyachi desatualisado alguem tem a verçao mais nova?
[10:10] <favro> jimmy__: it's english in here pls
[10:11] <favro> !pt
[10:11] <Muzer> if you have /home on a differnent partition, I would reformat the kubuntu partition and reinstall, but I see no reason why an upgrade wouldn't work
[10:11] <jimmy__> ok
[10:11] <favro> np :)
[10:12] <favro> !jp | jimmy__
[10:13] <faileas> er
[10:13] <ardchoille> heh, someone's already voted my idea up
[10:13] <faileas> o0
[10:14] <OpenSorce> grrr....youtube has no sound :-(
[10:15] <jussi01> ardchoille: give me a link...
[10:15] <jussi01> OpenSorce: there was a note about no sound in flash in the release notes, 1 sec
[10:15] <ardchoille> jussi01:  http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/15048/
[10:16] <OpenSorce> had to point vlc and mplayer to the right device (/dev/dsp1, /dev/dsp2) I wonder how I do that with flash....
[10:16] <favro> jussi01: did you see this from Muzer? - Muzer> the download site doesn't work on IE
[10:16] <jussi01> OpenSorce: insttall libasound2-plugins
[10:16] <frafra> how to install openoffice3 on kubuntu 8.10 x86_64?
[10:16] <jussi01> favro: I did...
[10:16] <favro> k
[10:17] <OpenSorce> Yeah, it did that when it installed the flash player
[10:18] <ardchoille> jussi01: did you just do that? :)
[10:19] <OpenSorce> Okay....I'm going to assume that a new user is not going to have two audio devices and that this wouldn't normally happen
[10:19] <jussi01> OpenSorce: from the intrepid FAQ: If for some reason you don't have sound with Flash in Ubuntu, make sure you have libasound2-plugins installed. Log out and back in, and it should work.
[10:19] <OpenSorce> I didn't log out....lemme try that, brb
[10:19] <jussi01> OpenSorce: also, try doing: asoundconf list
[10:19] <OpenSorce> kk, we'll try that next
[10:19] <jussi01> and then asoundconf set-default-card <cardname>
[10:20] <jussi01> OpenSorce: also there is a audio device ordering system in system settings -sounds
[10:20] <OpenSorce> cardname or device location (/dev/***)?
[10:20] <ardchoille> I like this Brain Storm, they even give you a graphic to help promote your idea
[10:20] <OpenSorce> Yeah, I have that setup right
[10:20] <ardchoille> Nice
[10:20] <jussi01> OpenSorce: cardname - from the asoundconf list command
[10:20] <OpenSorce> right :-P
[10:20] <jussi01> :d
[10:20] <OpenSorce> gonna try logging out first...brb
[10:21] <jussi01> ok
[10:21] <aapzak> ok, just tested XAA. mplayer won't work if I use XAA
[10:21] <aapzak> and I saw no noticable increasement of frames with glxgears
[10:22] <aapzak> do you guys also have scrambled tray icons?
[10:22] <aapzak> and ugly backgrounds?
[10:23] <OpenSorce> *crossing fingers*
[10:24] <OpenSorce> nope....okay, trying with the asoundconf
[10:25] <OpenSorce> jussi01, sudo?
[10:25] <jussi01> OpenSorce: with asoundconf? no.
[10:25] <frafra> how to set a non-default theme for gtk apps in kde4? every gtk app is ugly :(
[10:25] <OpenSorce> k
[10:26] <aapzak> gtk have been, always will
[10:26] <jussi01> !info gtk-qt-engine | frafra
[10:26] <aapzak> always have been, always wil
[10:29] <aapzak> anyone know how to get rid of the balloons on incoming kopete messages?
[10:29] <emelie> is there a easy way to see if i have a graphic card driver installed?
[10:31] <emelie> i think there is something wrong. becouse i can not have a higher screen size then 1280 x 800
[10:32] <emelie> on my desktop. i have a ATI mobility radeon x700.
[10:32] <DeathMoroz> autoupdate kde3->kde4 suxx
[10:33] <DeathMoroz> ^(
[10:33] <DeathMoroz> i've created new user.
[10:33] <favro> !ati | emelie
[10:34] <favro> emelie: it might just be using the basic ati driver from xorg
[10:35] <DeathMoroz> people, how can I show on Desktop any folder? i have not such widget
[10:35] <emelie> the computer crashed.
[10:35] <faileas> is it just me or are updates exuciatingly slow today?
[10:35] <favro> bummer
[10:35] <faileas> 1 day + for a 30 meg file
[10:36] <favro> faileas: the servers will be busy for a few days with folks moving to ibex
[10:36] <emelie> is there a swedish channel for kubuntu?
[10:36] <favro> !se
[10:36] <emelie> favro: thanks
[10:36] <favro> np :)
[10:36] <favro> hehe
[10:37] <jussi01> faileas: yes, the load is heavy because of relase...
[10:37] <OpenSorce> grrr...why'd they have to break updatedb
[10:37] <favro> OpenSorce: try installing   locate
[10:37] <OpenSorce> locate works
[10:38] <Dedi> i got mem leaks like hell, still (hoped will be fixed with release)
[10:38] <Dedi> kde is cool, the first 30min until the leaks begin
[10:39] <Dedi> plasma leaking, kwin leaking, X leaking (throuth a kde thing.. runs fine with gnome)
[10:40] <Dedi> ah and kmail.. leaks too :>
[10:40] <Dedi> or kio_imap4, dunno whats it from the both
[10:42] <favro> Dedi: as a check did you do the md5 check on your install cd or did you upgrade the os?
[10:42] <Dedi> had intrepid before
[10:42] <martinjh99> Morning all - Looking for Caps Lock indicator plasmoid for 901EEE any ideas?
[10:43] <favro> must of started intrepid from somewhere...
[10:43] <Dedi> all relevant packages got replaced, was with 4.0, 4.1 and now still with 4.1.2
[10:43] <favro> k
[10:43] <Dedi> i think with 4.1 i made a config reset
[10:46] <favro> Dedi: a config reset - could you explain that process please?
[10:46] <Dedi> basicly removed my homedir :)
[10:46] <Dedi> specific it was .kde4 .kde .config folder
[10:46] <martinjh99> Favro - in your gome directory rm -fr .kde would reset kde without losing anything else in your home
[10:47] <martinjh99> home dir
[10:47] <OpenSorce> jussi01, you still here?
[10:47] <jussi01> yes
[10:47] <OpenSorce> E: Couldn't find package libsound2-plugins
[10:47] <favro> martinjh99: great thnx - was wondering what Dedi used tho...
[10:47] <OpenSorce> Could've sworn I saw it install that with the flash player though.......
[10:48] <jussi01> OpenSorce: libasound2-plugins
[10:48] <jussi01> ;)
[10:48] <OpenSorce> ./facepalm
[10:48] <jussi01> hehe
[10:48] <OpenSorce> it's getting late....thanks
[10:48] <OpenSorce> libasound2-plugins is already the newest version.
[10:48] <OpenSorce> awesome
[10:49] <OpenSorce> that isn't it :-(
[10:49] <favro> Dedi: and what is in those hidden folders now? - much?
[10:49] <OpenSorce> it's a flash issue I bet
[10:51] <Dedi> favro: things i have configured since then, not specially much
[10:52] <ardchoille> does ecryptfs-utils work in Kbuntu Hard and Intrepid or is this only for Ubuntu?
[10:52] <ardchoille> *Hardy
[10:53] <Dedi> never seen anything not working on the other gui
[10:53] <Machtin> since it's in the repos.. it should work :)
[10:53] <ardchoille> Well, it seems it won't work in Hardy as it requires kernel 2.6.26 and Hardy has 2.6.24
[10:54] <favro> Dedi: I wonder if having " not specially much " in those folders is your issue - best to move those folders just in case
[10:54] <favro> instead of removing them
[10:54] <Dedi> i usually mean move when i say remove :) i barely delete anything :)
[10:55] <favro> hehe k
[10:55] <Dedi> but will try to login with another user later, but cant imagine its that
[10:55] <favro> I start with the basics
[10:58] <Dedi> since already done once, what would you do next?
[10:58] <OpenSorce> jussi01, I installed alsa-oss and ran firefox with "aoss firefox" it it works now
[10:59] <OpenSorce> just in case you run into that issue again
[11:00] <jussi01> OpenSorce: great.
[11:00] <OpenSorce> jussi01, thanks so much for your help
[11:01] <jussi01> OpenSorce: even though my help didnt help, no probs :)
[11:01] <OpenSorce> I'm writing several reviews of Linux distros suitability for new users. Kubuntu is only my second review this time around, but so far it looks really good
[11:01] <favro> Dedi: I would use the backups and change one thing at a time
[11:02] <OpenSorce> It may spoil it for Mepis :-P
[11:03] <Dedi> favro: if it's a user config issue yes.. but if not?
[11:04] <favro> Dedi: then you need someone more experienced than I
[11:04] <jussi01> OpenSorce: nice. If you want to chat generally a bit more, lets join #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:06] <fran> hola
[11:07] <fran> hola wenas
[11:07] <fran> tengo un problema
[11:07] <fran> weno realmente 2 jeje
[11:07] <favro> fran: english here please
[11:07] <Guest65478> ups
[11:07] <Guest65478> sorry
[11:07] <favro> or whatever your name is :)
[11:07] <favro> np
[11:07] <Guest65478> i think that this is the spanish channel
[11:08] <favro> ask away
[11:08] <favro> !es
[11:08] <aapzak> !nl
[11:08] <aapzak> nice
[11:08] <Dedi> how can i get the most exact kde version? (more than "4.1.2") ?
[11:09] <ahox> Dedi: If you have an release, there is no more exact version
[11:09] <favro> Dedi: the newest?
[11:09] <ahox> Dedi: Of course, the packaging may introduce a package version
[11:09] <favro> !best
[11:09] <emelie> now i have tried for a while to find the update program. someone now how to start that? so i can uppgrade the computer.
[11:10] <ahox> favro: He asks for the exact version, not the newest
[11:10] <favro> !update | emelie
[11:10] <ahox> Dedi: you may want to try aptitude show package
[11:11] <ahox> for my package kdelibs5 i get Version: 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu10
[11:11] <ahox> meaning it is the 10th attempt by ubuntu at packaging kdelibs...
[11:11] <woody86_> can anyone help me get my wireless working? The computer recogonizes the network, but times out when trying to connect
[11:11] <favro> ahh - apologies - exact = version
[11:12] <emelie> thanks.
[11:12] <ahox> favro: btw, the version scheme is MAJOR.MINOR.bugfix
[11:13] <Dedi> hm with 4.1.69 the plasma memory leak seems to be gone
[11:13] <Dedi> are there any nightly builds of kde for intrepid now?
[11:13] <favro> ahox: thnx
[11:16] <e-satis> hi
[11:17] <e-satis> I just made an upgrade from hardy to ibex, and I got the beautiful new kde4.
[11:17] <sap> so how is the new kubuntu
[11:18] <sap> i am downloading it right npw
[11:18] <e-satis> well, it's smooth
[11:18] <e-satis> as usual
[11:18] <e-satis> but I would not recommand to upgrade
[11:18] <sap> no i am going to do a clean install
[11:19] <e-satis> every year, I do it because I am craving to try the new one
[11:19] <e-satis> yes
[11:19] <e-satis> a fresh install is much better
[11:19] <e-satis> E.G, I have KDE4 but the old  KDE3 kicker keep starting when I log in.
[11:19] <e-satis> Don't know why
[11:19] <favro> !enter | e-satis
[11:20] <e-satis> arf, ok
[11:20] <favro> hehe np :)
[11:20] <emelie> how do i get the app to start. that i was using the first time i started kubuntu to upgrade it?
[11:21] <e-satis> But I must say the brand new kde is clean. I am a GNOME lover, but this time I feel fine in a kde desktop.
[11:22] <e-satis> By the way if anybody know why I got knetworkmanager in floating around instead of docking nicely in the systray, I'll pay him a beer
[11:22] <favro> emelie: try alt+F2   then type   update-manager
[11:22] <e-satis> a french beer of course, since I am in paris
[11:23] <xp-killer> im not seing videos on youtube
[11:23] <sap> does compiz work on the new kde
[11:23] <favro> e-satis: a couple of folk have mentioned that sort of issue today - no answer why that I know of yet
[11:23] <sap> or is kwin enough for eye candy
[11:24] <xp-killer> sap: im on 8.04 kde compiz work fine
[11:24] <favro> sap: in intrepid kwin is supposed to do the effects like compiz afaik
[11:24] <xp-killer> im not seing videos on youtube how o i see them?
[11:24] <emelie> favro: it doesnt work. i try to reboot the computer. brb.
[11:24] <xp-killer> on konqueror
[11:24] <favro> k
[11:25] <favro> !flash | xp-killer
[11:26] <dfgsd> hei,everyone,i'm using kubuntu , wine and virtualbox. But there are something i cannot do. So i want to install windows xp on the disk
[11:26] <dfgsd> i have the iso image of xp
[11:26] <dfgsd> how can i install xp?
[11:27] <dfgsd> i donnot want to burn cd
[11:27] <favro> dfgsd: you prob should ask in ##windows
[11:27] <aapzak> dfgsd: are you trying to get into a fight?
[11:27] <favro> aapzak: be nice :)
[11:27] <aapzak> :)
[11:28] <dfgsd> oh sorry
[11:28] <e-satis> favro: thx
[11:28] <favro> dfgsd: np :)
[11:28] <favro> e-satis: np :)
[11:29] <e-satis> sap : compiz works but I think there is some kind of custom-kde-setting to prevent you from messing up with it
[11:29] <e-satis> sap : I think it's a special stuff called kwin
[11:30] <favro> e-satis: kwin is kdes' window manager - it does compositing like compiz
[11:30] <shadowhywind> dfgsd: the only way that i would know of would be to use qparted, use it to partition the hdd, burn the iso and install that way
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[11:31] <favro> hey ActionParsnip :)
[11:31] <jussi01> its th parsnip! :D
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> im giving kwin4.1 a go
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> does anybody use the documents widget?
[11:31] <Dedi> are there any KDE nightly builds of kde for intrepid now?
[11:33] <sap> e-satis: ur attempt at sarcasm was horrible but thanks it tells me that kwin is good
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> i have my home directory showing as a widget on desktop, when I try to enter them with mouse click it loads dolphin....is there a way to keep it in that window or is that not how it works?
[11:33] <sap> :)-
[11:34] <jussi01> ActionParsnip: thats not how it works
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> sap: i usually use fluxbox personally but ive upgraded to intrepid for laughs and wondered what the deal was
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> jussi01: ok cool, just curious :D
[11:35] <jussi01> ActionParsnip: the folderview is pretty much like the old desktop
[11:35] <jussi01> just constrained into a smaller space
[11:35] <dr_willis> yea. make folder view the size of the desktopp. :)
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> jussi01: ok as long as I know its meant to be static
[11:35] <dr_willis> If you can figure out the resizeing stuff..
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> the new wallpaper is pretty
[11:35] <xp-killer> favro: i install flash but still nothing
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> favro: install flashplugin-nonfree and nspluginwrapper if you are using 64bit
[11:36] <favro> xp-killer: sorry but that's the limit of what I know - I use firefox for the web
[11:36] <dr_willis> I just installed the k/ubntntu restricted extras - it grabbed that and other bits needed. :)
[11:37] <favro> xp-killer: what dr_willis said
[11:38] <xp-killer> favro: i dont understand
[11:38] <dr_willis> install the package 'kubuntu-restricted-extras;
[11:38] <dr_willis> install the package 'kubuntu-restricted-extras'
[11:39] <dr_willis> It will install flash and java and other pacakges you proberly want.
[11:39] <favro> xp-killer: ^
[11:39] <xp-killer> ok
[11:39] <favro> xp-killer: in konsole   sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[11:39] <xp-killer> adept
[11:40] <dr_willis> use package manager, search for package name, install package
[11:40] <favro> it will show in adept - use the search button
[11:40] <xp-killer> im installing it
[11:40] <__Widget__> hey all... just dloaded Kubuntu 8.10 ... installing now.. though one thing that always kinda confused me was which File System to use... any recomendations for a home user?
[11:40] <favro> well done xp-killer
[11:41] <dr_willis> __Widget__,  just use ext3
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: ext3
[11:41] <__Widget__> ok, thnx :)
[11:41] <favro> __Widget__: +1 ext3 - it has journalling
[11:42] <__Widget__> cool... not sure what that is, but sounds like its a good thing :p
[11:42] <xp-killer> if i upgrad from 8.04 will i loose everything?like compiz coniuration video card etc....?
[11:42] <__Widget__> im manually doing my partitions.. wat should I use for mount point ?
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: nope, should be fine
[11:42] <__Widget__> i dont have any other partitions
[11:43] <favro>  / for the system
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: run your backup just before you start and you will be fone
[11:43] <__Widget__> ok, thnx :)
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: if there are no other partitions on the disk you can use auto partition
[11:44] <__Widget__> i did have 1 or 2 from older kubuntu, but then i just deleted em and started fresh
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: thats fine
[11:46] <__Widget__> its asking me to do a swap space partition... wat size should i make that ?
[11:46] <__Widget__> couple GB?
[11:46] <radanter> Hi, can I ask a quick question on upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10? About how long should it spend on the Cleaning Up phase? seems to be taking a very long time, about 2hrs so far, on my laptop which does not have that much installed (<5GB HDD used).
[11:47] <dr_willis> __Widget__,  depends on your ram space.. i do 512mb Min..   laptop and using suspend.  i make it = to ram size
[11:47] <__Widget__> i had 8.04.. jsut format and start over.. then again im still learning so have no files on there need keeping
[11:47] <__Widget__> 1.4gb ram atm
[11:47] <__Widget__> 1.3*
[11:48] <__Widget__> u reckon about 1gb ? and should i just leave my partitions as primary or change to logical
[11:48] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip: so if i backup everything it will restore it self after?
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: no you wil have to restore it yourself
[11:48] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip: is the 9.10 stable enough or is it still a beta?
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: you should have a backup anyroad
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: intrepid is 8.10 and is now released
[11:49] <xp-killer> yea sory im confuse wit everything
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: its easy to remember...its 2000 and *8* and its October which is moth *10*
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: 8.10
[11:50] <dr_willis> I always use primary partitions if i can.
[11:50] <xp-killer> :O
[11:50] <pucko-> Hello. When trying to upgrade to ibex, adept_manager complains about missing DSA key 437D05B5. Anyone know what to do about that?
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> pucko-: what does that mean?
[11:52] <pucko-> actionparsnip, it means it doesn't trust the source of the upgrade I guess..
[11:52] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip: i install linux on all the hdd if i want to put also xp i have to creat a space or it will di it just by runing xp
[11:52] <xp-killer> ?
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: put windows on first and leave unpartitioned space for linux
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: the dual boot will then be managed for you
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> pucko-: then get the allow key for the server
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> pucko-: the gpg keys
[11:54] <pucko-> ctionparsnip, I've tried, but it still complains.. maybe I'm doing something wrong
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> pucko-: what server does it moan about
[11:54] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip: to late linux on already
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: then when you install xp it will overwrite grub with its own boot sector
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: you will then have to do this:
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> !grub | xp-killer
[11:57] <proman> hi
[11:57] <lala> hi
[11:57] <lala> Kubuntu Rocks
[11:57] <lala> But Ubuntu rocks better
[11:57]  * dr_willis waits for service pack 1 for 8.10
[11:58] <Dragnslcr> Hehe
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> haha
[11:58] <dr_willis> Gee.. and here  i just install ubuntu and kubuntu desktops both on the same machine.. that means i got 2 rocks?
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> lala: same thing but different desktop environment
[11:59] <Dragnslcr> I read on one of the download pages (I think) that the only extra stuff on the DVD is locale packages. Anyone know if that's correct?
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> dr_willis: if you install fluxbox do you get 2 more by proxy?
[11:59] <dr_willis> I use jwm + rox-filer  so i get 4
[11:59] <jchonig> Good morning
[11:59] <xp-killer> favro: tanks the kubuntu-restricted-extras solve my flash problem for redtube ;)
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> Dragnslcr: pretty much, you get all th desktop and window managers on the disk, if you are gonna use the internet to apt-things then it pointless. unless all you have is dvd media
[12:00] <jchonig> I'd like to use my local mirror when installing the 8.10 desktop alternate CD, is there a way to specify that during install?
[12:00] <favro> xp-killer: thank dr_willis too please - he knew about it :)
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> good ol redtube
[12:00] <lala> My firefox takes too long to open in Ubuntu/Kubuntu. Has any of you encountered this problem ?
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade | jchonig
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> lala: install prefetch, after a few executions it will load faster
[12:01] <xp-killer> dr_willis: merci monsieu willis
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> lala: firefox is bad at starting up
[12:01] <lala> ActionParsnip: Is it a bug or a feature ?
[12:01] <Dragnslcr> ActionParsnip- thanks. I already got both the CD and DVD images off the torrent (I like being a good citizen and help seed them) anyway, and all I have is blank DVD's.
[12:01] <favro> xp-:)
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> lala: its a pITA
[12:01] <favro> xp-killer: :)
[12:01] <__Widget__> i find it strange that intrepid is only cd size
[12:01] <Dragnslcr> Good to know for the future, though. I'm pretty sure k3b can burn CD images to DVD's anyway
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> lala: its just really slow at starting with all the plugin guff it has to load. i think its pretty appauling
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: why?
[12:02] <lala> ActionParsnip: pITA ?? What does that mean ? I think it is a bug in Firefox because it happens the same in Windows as well.
[12:02] <dr_willis> what other sizes do you want? :)
[12:03]  * dr_willis supersizes his ubuntu
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> lala: pain in the aspirin ;)
[12:03] <isaacj87> ActionParsnip: haha nice
[12:03] <lala> ActionParsnip: I tried disabling all the addons and plugins. But no dice.
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> shazam!
[12:03] <__Widget__> cause when its installed.. it looks nice.. quality wise.. woulda thought it  be 1-1.5gb in size
[12:03] <dr_willis> Dragnslcr,  last i tried that (by mistake) it dident like the cd burnt onto a dvd :)
[12:03] <lala> ActionParsnip: :-)
[12:03] <Dragnslcr> dr_willis- weird. Maybe I'll experiment with it this weekend
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> lala: opera imho is a far superior browser but i cant get it to supprt xul so im stuck with firefox
[12:04] <jchonig> ActionParsnip: This is a fresh install (going to 64bit from 32bit) so I'd like to be able to tell the CD installer to use other mirrors
[12:04] <isaacj87> My optical drive only reads dvds now. So I have Kubuntu ISO burnt on a DVD
[12:04] <__Widget__> I found Opera to have more issues loading some pages
[12:04] <__Widget__> never had that problem with the Fantastiv Mr.Fox
[12:05] <lala> FYI, Firefox takes 30 seconds to load on my Ubuntu Machine (8.04 and now after upgradation 8.10)
[12:05] <Dragnslcr> If I do a clean install of 8.10, will copying .kde4 from 8.04 to .kde mostly work?
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> jchonig: ive not done that before, is there an update app on the cd
[12:05] <lala> Freaking 30 seconds. More than the boot up time of Ubuntu
[12:05] <__Widget__> hmm.. that is a long time.. i remeber wen FF3 1st came out the load time increased to almost instant
[12:05] <Dragnslcr> lala- that is strange. I don't think I've ever seen Firefox take that long to load
[12:06] <Dragnslcr> Maybe 5 second at most
[12:06] <lala> Something is wrong with the firefox build. Or is it a virus on my machine ?
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> jchonig: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading#Upgrading%20Using%20the%20Alternate%20CD/DVD
[12:06] <__Widget__> ur ram or cpu prollt being hogged by something
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> lala: seems fine, what spec is the system?
[12:06] <__Widget__> prolly*
[12:07] <lala> It is a P4 512 MB RAM.
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> lala: what speed and family of p4?
[12:07] <__Widget__> 512 not much for ubuntu?
[12:07] <lala> __Widget__: nope. I checked
[12:07] <favro> 512 should be fine
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> lala: theres a world of difference between a p4 celeron and a p4 extrememe edition
[12:08] <lala> cpu family 15
[12:08] <favro> more would be better tho
[12:08] <lala> speed 2 GHz
[12:08] <__Widget__> celeron... dirty dirty cpu
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: good for cheap systems for chat and web browsing
[12:08] <lala> model name  Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz
[12:08] <__Widget__> true
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> lala: ok its a stock model
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> lala: least its not a celery
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> lala: you could look at reducing ttys to improve boot
[12:09] <lala> ActionParsnip: Nope. I hate cereals. ;-)
[12:09] <__Widget__> kubuntu almost done.. time to re-install everything again :p
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> lala: its a veggy
[12:10] <Rioting_pacifist> id recomend 8.04 or atleast kde3 though, its more stable and polished and ive had it running on128 without compiz/firefox before
[12:10] <dr_willis> for some odd reason when i installed 8.10 it decided i had 2 cd roms , and put one on /dev/sdb in the fstab.. :) how odd...
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> lala: http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11137272/Organic_Celery.jpg
[12:10] <__Widget__> does anyone know how to get the Mac OS effect of having all icons down bottom in middle ?
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> Rioting_pacifist: id reccommend fluxbox over compiz or kwin
[12:11] <lala> ActionParsnip: I know. It was a failed attempt at a joke.
[12:11] <dr_willis> __Widget__,  you mean install a os-x clone DOCK?
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: you can install avant window navigator if you want
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> lala: my bad
[12:11] <__Widget__> not sure wat its called... available through Adept ?
[12:11]  * ActionParsnip hates docks
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> !find dock
[12:11] <__Widget__> why hate dock ?
[12:11] <dr_willis> They are rather useless
[12:12] <dr_willis> and take up space that could be better used in other ways
[12:12] <lala> ActionParsnip: Your picture of celery looks tempting.
[12:12] <__Widget__> true.. but nice effect if system can handle it imo
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> i run all apps from my yakuake, iike all apps
[12:12] <dr_willis> the windowmaker warf made much better use of space
[12:12] <faileas> lol
[12:12] <faileas> yakuake is awesome
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> damn right
[12:12] <dr_willis> 'effects' to not make you work better/faster/smarter
[12:12] <faileas> and theres nothing quite like it on anything else
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> i think it should be standard
[12:12] <Rioting_pacifist> ActionParsnip: fluxbox is good but its not really very new-user friendly, it also lacks alot of features kde has (ofc if you dont use those features its just faster)
[12:12] <faileas> dr_willis: warf?
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> faileas: theres tilda ;)
[12:12] <faileas> ActionParsnip: too small ><
[12:12] <lala> Which is the most userfriendly but light weight desktop out there ? Is it fluxbox ?
[12:13] <cuznt> on my other hard drive is 4.1 the task manager and system tray will not load
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> Rioting_pacifist: you are confusing kde with kwin
[12:13] <faileas> lala: i'm kinda fond of lxde
[12:13] <SlimeyPete> lala: 's all a matter of taste. Fluxbox is definitely a popular choice though.
[12:13] <dr_willis> lala,  depends on how you define  userfriendly and light.
[12:13] <favro> I've heard of yakuake - it is a terminal right?
[12:13] <lala> faileas: lxde is cool. But it lacks themes.
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> Rioting_pacifist: you can run fluxbox with kde instead of the normal kwin
[12:13] <dr_willis> fluxbox isent really a 'desktop'
[12:13] <faileas> favro: its a drop down terminal
[12:13] <SlimeyPete> favro: it's a terminal emulator which drops down from the top of the screen like the Quake console
[12:13] <faileas> lala: e17! ;p
[12:14] <favro> ohh - a terminal that does tricks?
[12:14] <faileas> yup
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> Rioting_pacifist: similarly, gnome runs metacity but you can run fluxbox instead of it onto of the gnome desktop
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> dr_willis: its a window manager
[12:14] <faileas> favro: well its a very nice way of accessing the terminal if you use it a LOT
[12:14] <lala> dr_willis: By user friendly, should have support for icons on desktop and good integration of applications
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> lala: idesk ives fluxbox desktop icons
[12:15] <lala> SlimeyPete: I agree. Fluxbox is cool. But it is a hassle to create desktop icons in fluxbox.
[12:15] <__Widget__> hmm... doesnt seem to wanna installed vid drivers.. not moving anywhere :S
[12:15] <SlimeyPete> lala: indeed. Fluxbox isn't really meant for that sort of use.
[12:15] <lala> faileas: e17 is still unfinished.
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> lala: once you get to grips with it is awesome
[12:15] <SlimeyPete> it's meant for people who don't use desktop launchers/files, really.
[12:15] <ChrisMir> lol, can't iumaging e17 ever being finished :p
[12:15] <favro> +1 flux
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> +100 flux
[12:15] <faileas> lala: there's a REALLY nice ubuntu derivative with it
[12:16] <Rioting_pacifist> ActionParsnip:  im familar with the concept of window managers and desktop enviroments, but it doesnt change the way that fluxbox is less new-user freindly, i think it has a few gui tools but most of the config is in plain files. is there even a gui way to change the background image
[12:16] <lala> faileas: you mean with e17 ? Are you talking about opengeu ?
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> Rioting_pacifist: i wouldnt know i always use cli
[12:16] <faileas> lala: yeah ;p
[12:16] <faileas> i was playing with it for a bit
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> Rioting_pacifist: fbsetbg -i /path/to/file.png
[12:17] <Rioting_pacifist> thats not really new user freindly is it
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> Rioting_pacifist: its in all the documentation
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> as well as online
[12:17] <lala> Has anyone used rox desktop ?
[12:17] <lala> I would like to try it out. I am told it is fabulous.
[12:18] <ChrisMir> Hmm, apt-get weirdness here. Although I've set my machine to operate with english, apt-get is giving me feedback in dutch. Confirmation is asked with (J/n), but J does not work, only Y
[12:18] <faileas> o0
[12:18] <Rioting_pacifist> clearly we disagree on what is expected of a new user
[12:18] <Rioting_pacifist> __Widget__: how are you trying to install video drivers?
[12:19] <OxDeadC0de> just in case anyone is interested, there's finally a cpu frequency scaling plasmoid for kde4 that works like the gnome one, it's in get hot new stuff in add widgets/install new/download from internet ;), it's the very first release, just a dropdown menu, it's kind of ugly, but it works..
[12:19] <Rioting_pacifist> is there a basic system montior yet?
[12:19] <faileas> hmm
[12:20] <faileas> is it just me or is the main repo dog slow?
[12:20] <OxDeadC0de> there's ksensors for monitoring sensors?
[12:20] <favro> Rioting_pacifist: tried conky?
[12:20] <OxDeadC0de> the a cpu load applet for that, hmm, I also use the nvidia applet in cairo-dock to get sensor info for my gpu but none of the others yet even see it yet :/
[12:21] <Rioting_pacifist> favro: nah i gave 8.10 a spin i was looking for a cpu/mem/.. usage monitor i could stick in a pannel
[12:21] <favro> k
[12:22] <Exilant> anyone else having an awfully slow konqueror?
[12:22] <__Widget__> there's 2 widgets on desktop at start.. notpad and soemthing else.. wat is that exactly?
[12:22] <OxDeadC0de> the panel?
[12:22] <__Widget__> ya
[12:22] <__Widget__> i think so
[12:22] <__Widget__> big black box
[12:23] <Dragnslcr> faileas- considering 8.10 was just released, the repositories are probably kinda busy
[12:23] <faileas> __Widget__: shows you whats on your desktop
[12:23] <OxDeadC0de> yay looks like 2 of you downloaded my scaler, could have been someone else tho :P
[12:23] <__Widget__> hmm... i added icons to desktop but they didnt get added to that panel
[12:23] <faileas> Dragnslcr: makes sense i guess. dosen't help that i'm using the US one instead of my local repo ><
[12:23] <OxDeadC0de> add the file browser widget and set it to your desktop folder?
[12:24] <Exilant> if i type "linux-image" into the adept search, why doesn't it return anything?
[12:24] <sap> is firefox preloaded on kubuntu 8.10
[12:25] <faileas> sap: no
[12:25] <sap> hmmm
[12:25] <Rioting_pacifist> its not installed by default, but the preload deamon will preload the files if its installed
[12:25] <faileas> you can install it easily though
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> sap: not sure but you can sudo apt-get -y install firefox-3.0
[12:25] <sap> thanks
[12:26]  * faileas notes ite pretty neat firefox seems to use the system theme, or one suitable to it
[12:29] <__Widget__> this widget feature(s) weird
[12:29] <cuznt> my system tray and task manager will not reload
[12:30] <cuznt> and no konversation in 4.1?
[12:30] <Rioting_pacifist> faileas: do you still need firefox-ubuntu-support (or was it firefox-gnome-support)
[12:31] <cuznt> my page loads up with the plamsa in the top corner but no tray no task manager
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: try running it from konsole
[12:31] <cuznt> i can right click and bring it up as a widget, but when i restart it crashes.
[12:32] <cuznt> am running 3.5 from the other hard drive
[12:32] <faileas> Rioting_pacifist: i just instlled firefox, and let the packae manager take care of it
[12:32] <faileas> cuznt: it uses the 3.5.10 builds of konversation, k3b and amarok
[12:32] <Rioting_pacifist> ah thats a no then, in 8.04 a seperate package was needed to stop it being fuggly
[12:33] <cuznt> it wont let me get it. i had to reboot to the other hd to chat as adept would not d/l xchat
[12:33] <__Widget__> can i make desktop icons snap to some sort of grid
[12:33] <faileas> Rioting_pacifist: what package?
[12:33]  * faileas has mild issues with those apps being white on my otherwise charcoal black themes ;p
[12:34] <cuznt> how do i run it from console?
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: type konv and press tab
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> then press enter
[12:34] <cuznt> also when i am in recovery mode and want to restart kde i dont know how
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: the first few chars of the app you wanna run then tab, you can run any app from konsole
[12:34] <cuznt> right on
[12:35] <faileas> ActionParsnip: generally i like to add a && to that
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> faileas: yea a & can be useful
[12:35] <Rioting_pacifist> faileas:  firefox-gnome-support - meta package pointing to the latest gnome-support package for firefox <without it it would be gtk1 and the qt-gtk engine was useless
[12:35] <OxDeadC0de> ActionParsnip: You should mention if it beeps hit tab twice to get a list of all programs that start with the charactors typed? :P
[12:35] <faileas> Rioting_pacifist: oh, i don't think i needed that explicitly installed
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> cli rocks
[12:36] <faileas> ActionParsnip: cli rocks when you know what you are doing ;p
[12:36]  * Rioting_pacifist feals happy as it means hes one release closer to the end of his gnome overloards 
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> faileas: not hard to learn. ive had tonnes of newbies configuring samba without using the retarded frontend for folder sharing
[12:38] <amigrave> on kubuntu 8.10 the cpu fan of my laptop is running very often (unusual compared to kubuntu 8.04 or windows). Is there something I can do about it ?
[12:38] <__Widget__> i havnt configured anything and kubuntu is able to browse winxp machines on network through samba
[12:39] <faileas> ActionParsnip: ... there's a front end?
[12:39] <cuznt> so does mine widget
[12:39] <dr_willis> Ive had some issues with the 'browsing shares' under kde and gnome on some of my machines.. however i can type in the full  //mshome/fileserver/sharename   and they work
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: thats browsing windows shares, to share foldersyou need to configure samba to share the folders
[12:40] <__Widget__> oh.. on kbuntu side... so winxp can see linux shares?
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: yep
[12:40] <cuznt> i can take my shares and put them in my wifes xp folder
[12:40] <faileas> ActionParsnip: ... i didn't know there was a front end...
[12:40] <__Widget__> ic.. thnx :)
[12:40] <cuznt> or through hers put them in mine
[12:40] <cuznt> but not the other way
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> faileas: theres some garbage in konqueror that lets you do it if you right click a folder
[12:40]  * faileas did it using the article on howtoforge ;p
[12:41] <faileas> ActionParsnip: well my file server is debian/cli only so... that wasn't an option
[12:41]  * ActionParsnip did it reading examples and finding it childishly simple to edit smb.conf
[12:42]  * faileas needs to refine its roles. it sucks as a torrent box since my client dosen't support protocol encryption
[12:42] <__Widget__> how does one type in italics
[12:43] <dr_willis> __Widget__,  err you dont?
[12:43] <dr_willis> I dont see ani italics
[12:43] <ardchoille> __Widget__: I don't see any italics
[12:43]  * dr_willis dont use no stinking italics
[12:43] <__Widget__> :(
[12:43] <favro> hehe
[12:43] <ardchoille> __Widget__: you mean the /me actions?
[12:43] <__Widget__> Conspiracy!!!
[12:43] <dr_willis> why would you expect italics?
[12:44]  * __Widget__ hello
[12:44] <ardchoille> his irc client may display /me as italics
[12:44]  * dr_willis dosent see italics on this irc client
[12:44] <ardchoille> he got it :)
[12:44]  * __Widget__ is using Chatzilla
[12:44]  * faileas wonders if __Widget__ means this?
[12:44] <faileas> ;p
[12:44] <favro> in xchat you can choose the font - apart from that...
[12:44] <ardchoille> kget is rather nice
[12:45]  * ActionParsnip uses pidgin
[12:45] <ardchoille> downloading 4 iso files
[12:46]  * faileas uses konversation
[12:46] <absent-minded> good day
[12:46]  * __Widget__ too uses Konversation in Kubuntu
[12:46] <absent-minded> I guess every people here have problems with intrepid ....
[12:47] <faileas> nope
[12:47] <absent-minded> now
[12:47] <absent-minded> :)
[12:47] <faileas> its working great for me
[12:47] <ardchoille> absent-minded: some come here to help, some come here to watch and learn
[12:47] <__Widget__> slower.. and crashed once.. thats about it
[12:47] <__Widget__> and those Widgets are strange
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> absent-minded: it has stopped my ktorrent web interface, thats all
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> absent-minded: 100% fine
[12:47] <absent-minded> I hope that because I have a (little) problem.
[12:48]  * _Widgetkde_ olla
[12:48]  * OxDeadC0de uses emote too
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> sup absent-minded?
[12:48] <absent-minded> my display is outside screen
[12:48]  * OxDeadC0de laughs at himself, and uses pidgin :o
[12:48]  * favro wonders about the use of /me
[12:48] <absent-minded> My task bar is cut in two
[12:48] <sap> is there anything like mass downloader for ubuntu
[12:49] <ardchoille> sap: for Kubuntu there is a nice download manager called kget
[12:49] <_Widgetkde_> konversation atm.. I see color :O
[12:49] <ardchoille> although I think it's just a gui front-end to wget
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> sap: wget
[12:49] <absent-minded> I think my screen is badly configurated... maybe a little modification of the Xorg.conf would help
[12:50] <__Widget__> so... im concidering getting a 24
[12:50] <__Widget__> " lcd.. any suggestions
[12:50] <dr_willis> check reviews online first.
[12:50] <dr_willis> :)
[12:51] <__Widget__> ya.. was tossing up between Dell 2408wfp and samsing t240
[12:51] <__Widget__> but many issues i found with dell one atm.. but better grade panel
[12:51] <__Widget__> samsung using TN atm
[12:54] <dr_willis> I tend to use samsung
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: check compatibility ;)
[12:54] <dr_willis> or whatever i find on sale. :)
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: shop smart
[12:54] <__Widget__> 550 atm for the samsung
[12:55] <dr_willis> I hear prices are supposed to be dropping on thost things this xmas. :)
[12:55] <faileas> ActionParsnip: shop smart? ;p
[12:55] <faileas> *s mart
[12:55] <__Widget__> would b nice
[12:56] <galathalion> need help with amarok, pls
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> faileas: you know it. i tend to buy the most linux friendly as i can find
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> galathalion: sup
[12:57] <faileas> ActionParsnip: well most of my linux boxen are thinkpads ;p
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> faileas: dell are nice for me, as wellas eee
[12:57] <faileas> ActionParsnip: well next box i am likely to get is likely a cheapie generic amd box or a dell mini 9 ;p
[12:58] <dr_willis> some of these lcd monitors got soo many fancy features/gizmos im not sure who would use them all...
[12:58] <galathalion> ActionParsnip: it used to work a couple of minutes but then it crashed for some reason and when i restard it and load all my music it freaks out again
[12:58] <favro> galathalion: there is #amarok
[13:00] <faileas> then again
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> galathalion: id try finding where amarock stores its settings and renaming the folder / file
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> galathalion: then rerun it
[13:00]  * faileas is tempted to try running intrepid on a 8 year old PIII 450 for fun
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> faileas: make sure its the coppermine core ;)
[13:01] <faileas> ActionParsnip: katamai ;p
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> sweet
[13:01] <faileas> ActionParsnip: it was running gutsy at one point ;p
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> faileas: run it with fluxbox or similar and you're ok
[13:01] <faileas> ActionParsnip: where's the fun in that?
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> faileas: itll be smoother and slicker
[13:02] <faileas> ActionParsnip: where's the fun in that? ;p
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> that is fun :D
[13:02] <__Widget__> my plasma crashed :S
[13:02]  * faileas just wants to see how it runs on something modern ;p
[13:03] <faileas> ActionParsnip: i'd rather use my newer machines for that ;p
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: id head to the kde4 based rooms
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: or #kubuntu
[13:03] <__Widget__> im in kubuntu ?
[13:03] <faileas> ActionParsnip: this IS #kubuntu
[13:04] <faileas> ... akrigator seems to take up HUGE amounts of processor if i leave it on too long
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> bah
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> im used to sitting in #ubuntu
[13:05] <faileas> looool
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> oh well
[13:07] <__Widget__> can i restore my desktop back to original state of when i 1st installed kubuntu/
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: cd ~/.kde/share/config/; ls
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: any folders starting with teh word plasma, rename them. I found a guide that says delete them but im not that agressive
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: once renamed, log off and on, it should return
[13:12] <__Widget__> cool, thnx :)
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: if not, try running plasma & from konsole and see what it says
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> plasma dying is all i seem to see in here
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> they really should sort it
[13:15] <absent-minded> #kubuntu-fr
[13:15] <__Widget__> well.. im off.. thnx for everyones help :) ... talk l8rs]
[13:18] <OzoNe> Hi, I can't see post list in Akregator (Kubuntu 8.10), how can I fix the problem? an img: http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kdefo0.png
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> OzoNe: i dont use rss, so i cant help dude
[13:23] <OzoNe> ActionParsnip, no problem, thanks anyway :)
[13:26] <PovAdct_live> I'm on Kubuntu Intrepid LiveCD
[13:27] <PovAdct_live> it set a resolution of 800x600 but I'm on a wide screen
[13:27] <PovAdct_live> so everything looks stretched
[13:27] <PovAdct_live> how do I change my resolution?
[13:27] <PovAdct_live> is there a GUI to change that? xrandr(1) looked like a mess
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: you can edit xorg.conf
[13:28] <OxDeadC0de> He's on livecd, editing it won't do anything
[13:28] <PovAdct_live> ActionParsnip: using xrandr sounds easier than editing that...
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> OxDeadC0de: it will, you can change the res in the live cd environment
[13:28] <favro> PovAdct_live: open a konsole and type    xrandr   to see the available choices then   xrandr -s 1600x1200   or whatever you want
[13:28] <OxDeadC0de> oh, k then ^^
[13:29] <PovAdct_live> the only configured modes are 640x480 and 800x600, so I'd have to use --addmode, and *that* looked like a mess
[13:29] <PovAdct_live> xrandr -s 1280x720
[13:29] <PovAdct_live> Size 1280x720 not found in available modes
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: you could install graphics drivers in the live environment
[13:29] <PovAdct_live> oh that's because I'm lacking drivers?
[13:30] <favro> PovAdct_live: then your vid card doesn't have the appropriate driver
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: you may need them, im unsure, it could help
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: run lspci and it will say what you have
[13:31] <PovAdct_live> 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6100 nForce 405 (rev a2)
[13:31] <favro> lspci | grep VGA   to cut down on reading
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> !nvidia | PovAdct_live
[13:31] <PovAdct_live> (grr I have no middle mouse button here, I have to copy-paste the "Windows way")
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> favro: use grep -i vga instead ;)
[13:31] <favro> hehe
[13:32] <OxDeadC0de> PovAdct_live, try using both mouse buttons at the same time to simulate middle click?
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> favro: -i == case Insensitive
[13:32] <PovAdct_live> Konqueror taking forever to startup :D
[13:32] <favro> yep
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> favro: winner!
[13:33] <PovAdct_live> I seem to be low on RAM...
[13:33] <favro> ohh
[13:33] <isaacj87> #banshee
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: thats because the live cd runs on a ramdrive
[13:33] <PovAdct_live> 270MB in use for disk cache, and no swap
[13:33] <favro> how much?
[13:33] <favro> k
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: you can uninstall stuff from the live environment to make room
[13:34] <PovAdct_live> I have 768MB physical memory
[13:35] <PovAdct_live> would be ridiculous if the livecd can't work with that RAM
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: it can, you just cant load it with too much fluff
[13:36] <PovAdct_live> Mem:    701276k total,   693140k used,     8136k free,    40840k buffers
[13:36] <PovAdct_live> 238772k cached
[13:36] <donavan> Is there any sane way to setup dual heads in KDE like there is in Gnome (using 8.10)?
[13:37] <PovAdct_live> the instructions on the wiki don't ever name Intrepid, heh
[13:37] <PovAdct_live> where is "System->Administration->Hardware Drivers" here?
[13:37] <SlimeyPete> PovAdct_live: in System Settings
[13:38] <mrksbrd> how do you sort icon's on desktop by name in 8.10?
[13:38] <SlimeyPete> PovAdct_live: hrm... hang on, I may be wrong O.o
[13:38] <PovAdct_live> found it
[13:38] <PovAdct_live> using the search box on top of the menu
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> nice
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> wow running full drivers in live environment
[13:39] <Mrunagi> im having some major problems...........my x server wont start..........and id like to give u the errors but i cant get wvdial to dial out to get online..........the bluetooth pin wont accept........can anyone help me with that
[13:39] <PovAdct_live> my whole desktop hanged when I started typing there (it had to load something from the CD and had to spin up again)
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> puppy is way better at live cd resolutions
[13:39] <dr_willis> many disrtos are way better.
[13:39] <dr_willis> I noticed the live cd on my Nvidia laptop - uses the  vga driver not the nv one...
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> many are worse, and many would disagree with the list
[13:40] <PovAdct_live> "Downloading an installing driver" is still at 0%
[13:40] <dr_willis> PovAdct_live,  servers may be slow today
[13:40] <donavan> s/may be/are
[13:40] <PovAdct_live> I tried to run "iftop" to see if there was network activity
[13:40] <PovAdct_live> command not found, and i don't want to install more packages on the ramdisk :D
[13:40] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: be patient young grasshopper
[13:40] <favro> try ping www.google.com
[13:40] <PovAdct_live> I might just try wubi instead of livecd...
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> yuk
[13:41] <dr_willis> PovAdct_live,  use vitualbox :)
[13:41] <genii> Gah wubi
[13:41] <dr_willis> I woudl much rathe ruse virtualbox then wubi
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> wubi needs to be condemned to the skip
[13:41] <genii> Wubi usually creates more problems than it solves.
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> its a halfass job
[13:41] <dr_willis> Yep..
[13:41] <dr_willis> I have to agree
[13:42] <faileas> hmm
[13:42] <faileas> donno
[13:42] <faileas> wubi was what got me into kubuntu
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> if you want linux either run it live or install it...don't "kinda" install it
[13:42] <dr_willis> I would much rather see VIrtualbox be included then wubi.
[13:42] <favro> it works for some...as an intro but how many bridges does it burn
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> faileas: i just saw the ubuntu hype, so i scrapped one of my mandria rigs and installed it (i love the kde)
[13:43] <faileas> ActionParsnip: i went for it cause it was an easy apt based distro with decent hardware support
[13:44]  * faileas started off with mandriva
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> favro: try helping noobs switch from wubi to a genuine install, not pretty
[13:44]  * ActionParsnip started with redhat 6 or 7
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> i i forget
[13:44] <favro> ActionParsnip: and how does anyone sort out issues on that?
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> favro: badly is all i can say
[13:45] <faileas> ActionParsnip: i used LVPM for that once ;p
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> favro: its all making isos and putting them on proper partitions as far as i acn see, not worth it
[13:45] <mrksbrd> how do you sort icon's on desktop by name in 8.10?
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> favro: id imagine theres pretty gui tools for it but i just dont like the idea
[13:59] <PovAdct_live> everything hanged badly, so I rebooted and tried installing the drivers as *first* thing, before doing anything else
[13:59] <PovAdct_live> driver seems to be running now
[13:59] <PovAdct_live> I still don't have any more choices of screen resolutions than before
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: ill give you my xorg.conf
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> you can copy the screen resolution bts from it to your own
[14:01] <our-pc> Anyone to help me please ?
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: http://pastebin.com/f7e15625c
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> !ask | our-pc
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: where mine says 1024x768 change yours to whatever you want
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: you may want to reduce the refresh as im on a crt monitor
[14:04] <our-pc> I have ubuntu 8.10 installed. Are there any transparency effects installed by default and if yes how can i enable them?
[14:04] <Tm_T> our-pc: KDE ?
[14:04] <Tm_T> moi OutoLumo
[14:04] <our-pc> Gnome
[14:04] <Tm_T> our-pc: wrong channel then (;)
[14:04] <PovAdct_live> our-pc: then ask in #ubuntu
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> our-pc: you will need to install video drivers
[14:04] <PovAdct_live> brb X restart
[14:05] <our-pc> Thanks!!
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> our-pc: then you can poison your system with compiz
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> !compiz | our-pc
[14:05] <our-pc> thank you very much!
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> our-pc: run lspci to find your graphics card and you can websearch from there as how to set it up
[14:06]  * ActionParsnip hates compiz
[14:06] <our-pc> Thanks guys;)
[14:06] <ubuntu_> w00t
[14:06] <ubuntu_> native res
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: wtg
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: did you do it with my xorg.conf?
[14:07] <PovAdct_live> copied a few sections into mine
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: not hard is it, dont be afraid of conf files, they are simple
[14:07] <PovAdct_live> then replaced 1024x768 with 1280x720
[14:08] <ActionParsnip> my crusade is to get people more friendly with conf files than using stupid apps and guis when its so simple
[14:08] <PovAdct_live> I'm not afraid of conf files, I'm afraid of xorg.conf ;)
[14:08] <PovAdct_live> and of new stuff (first time I use KDE4)
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: in ubuntu there is a fix xorg.conf part of the recovery boot ;)
[14:09] <PovAdct_live> seems... CPU intensive
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: xorg.conf is xorg.conf everywhere
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: its not light at all, try fluxbox :D
[14:09] <PovAdct_live> my home machine has KDE3.5 and compiz-fusion
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: you'll be pushed for that in live cd environment
[14:11] <PovAdct_live> I want a desktop that looks good, but I don't need so many fancy features
[14:11] <PovAdct_live> for example, "desktop search" is useless to me
[14:11] <ActionParsnip> i think fluxbox looks neat
[14:11] <PovAdct_live> I don't keep "office documents" on my machine
[14:11] <okto> hi...anybody knows how to change icon for a particular file type in intrepid?
[14:11] <PovAdct_live> I keep source code :)
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> okto: http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-to-change-file-type-mimetype-icons.html
[14:12] <okto> for example the icon for *.doc to something else instead of that question-mark icon?
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: sudo apt-get -y install fluxbox; sudo apt-get clean
[14:13] <PovAdct_live> in KDE4 it looks like every icon that changes when I move mouse over has a fade-in effect
[14:13] <PovAdct_live> that's just CPU waste
[14:13] <legodude> how do I turn off the startup sounds?
[14:13] <okto> ActionParsnip: in KDE....
[14:13] <dr_willis> most things are a CPU waste. :)
[14:13] <Samgr> I have a problem, could anyone help me?
[14:14] <PovAdct_live> Samgr: just ask your question
[14:14] <gonzalo> hola
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> legodude: its notifications in system settings
[14:14] <legodude> thanks
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> legodude: select apply to all sounds then click no sounds
[14:14] <legodude> yup
[14:14] <PovAdct_live> oh ffs
[14:14] <PovAdct_live> Konsole profile settings
[14:14] <PovAdct_live> Appearance
[14:14] <PovAdct_live> Color Scheme and Background
[14:14] <okto> ActionParsnip: i filed the bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/285435
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> okto: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=771688
[14:15] <PovAdct_live> the possible options scroll in from the right with a cute animation
[14:15] <PovAdct_live> CPU WASTE (and annoying)
[14:15] <Samgr> Flash player is too buggy on firefox. Is this something common ?
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: hehe dude get xfce or openbox or fluxbox and it doesnt have all that fluff and is lighter in ram
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> Samgr: gnash
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> !info gnash
[14:16] <PovAdct_live> I have a rewritable CD, and xubuntu ISO :)
[14:16] <okto> ActionParsnip: ?
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> xubutu is nice
[14:16] <dr_willis> PovAdct_live,  almost as annoying as pople that go on about annoying things ?
[14:16] <dr_willis> :)
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> touche
[14:17] <PovAdct_live> I like composite desktops though, makes for example dragging windows *much* smoother
[14:17] <okto> ActionParsnip: my problem is like I describe in the bug ^ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/285435
[14:17] <favro> !find kde
[14:17] <PovAdct_live> and konsole transparency
[14:17] <favro> !lag
[14:17] <Samgr>  I have installed both gnash and adobe flash , gnash does not even work!!
[14:18] <favro> seems !find is borked
[14:18] <PovAdct_live> !find kubuntu-desktop
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> okto: if you run systemsettings with kdesudo, can yuo change them?
[14:18] <PovAdct_live> !help find
[14:18] <okto> ActionParsnip: I'll try...a sec
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> Samgr: i run adobe flash via nspluginwrapper. works pretty decently
[14:19] <PovAdct_live> as decently as Flash can get :P
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> Samgr: plus if flash falls over, just kill the nsplugin and you will be back on your feet
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> runs pretty well though
[14:19] <okto> ActionParsnip: nope...
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> okto: looks like an intrepid feature for the now
[14:20] <Samgr> Thanks!!!
[14:22] <okto> ActionParsnip: might be, I look at the .desktop file and it points to correct icons (for *.doc is wordprocessing) the same with *.odt but its fine with OOO
[14:22] <okto> it show correct icons
[14:22] <okto> but *doc icon is question-mark icon
[14:23] <mmo|> Hi. Do any of you know how to make keyboard shortcuts work in kubuntu 8.10? I simply cannot find out how to start e.g. konsole using shortcuts...
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> okto: i dont use icons much as i use cli for file management
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: ho do you mean shortcuts?
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> *how
[14:24] <okto> ActionParsnip: do you use dolphin?
[14:24] <favro> !keyboard
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> okto: no, yakuake
[14:24] <mmo|> ActionParsnip: I mean pressing ctrl-alt-t to start konsole. It seems like it should work from the settings, but nothing happens!
[14:24] <ingmar_> hi... i dont have any sound in flash in firefox.. how do i fix that?
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> !shortcuts | mmo|
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> ingmar_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=204022
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> ingmar_: http://www.arsgeek.com/2007/11/27/how-to-fix-no-sound-with-flashfirefox-in-ubuntu-710-gutsy/
[14:26] <okto> ActionParsnip: do you have a *.doc file? you can see the problem with the icons in dolphin or konq
[14:26] <robin0800> ActionParsnip: You can set it if you right click on the menue is that what your doing?
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> okto: i dont have them installed, i can certinly make one with touch. im not the man to ask dude
[14:26] <ak||> #
[14:26] <okto> ActionParsnip: or try to make a new file type in systemsettings or change the icons for an existing application
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> okto: can you add it to the .desktop file?
[14:27] <okto> ActionParsnip: a new file type will always a question-mark icon
[14:28] <okto> ActionParsnip: i did and check that .desktop point to correct icons, but it won't obey
[14:29] <mmo|> ActionParsnip: yes, but nothing seems to work. Nothing happens when I press the keyboard shortcuts I define. Do I have to do something to enable them?
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: you may have to log off and on
[14:30] <mmo|> ActionParsnip: ok, I'll try that
[14:30] <mmo|> thanks
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> okto: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/KDE/2008-08/msg00051.html
[14:31] <faileas> hmm
[14:31] <faileas> kubuntu intrepid uses alsa right?
[14:32] <ActionParsnip> okto: its a kde thing not a ubuntu thing. the guys in #kde might help more but ive no idea as i dont use file managers
[14:32] <vinci_> Why there's no ZUI in Kubuntu?
[14:32] <Tm_T> vinci_: Z means...
[14:32] <ActionParsnip> vinci_: zui?
[14:32] <SlimeyPete> vinci_: what's a ZUI?
[14:32] <ActionParsnip> !find zui
[14:32] <vinci_> zooming user interface
[14:32] <ActionParsnip> faileas: i think so, that or pulse
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> vinci_: x has been doing zoomability for ages
[14:33] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: Alsa an Pulse
[14:33] <vinci_> my plasma don't have this function
[14:33] <Tm_T> vinci_: my does
[14:34] <ActionParsnip> you could always use xmag :)
[14:34] <vinci_> sorry im not very good in English
[14:34] <zabbadapp> uh, the k-menu turns upside down if the task bar is low enough
[14:35] <okto> ActionParsnip: thanks.. the link helps and its the exact thing I've been asking around. I'll try to try the fix from the link.
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> okto: cool
[14:38] <ingmar_> Great my flash now works with sound
[14:38] <ingmar_> thank you
[14:39] <ingmar_> I have one more problem... my wireless network card doesnt seem to be working
[14:39] <ingmar_> it says it has Proprietary drivers for it but it doesnt work
[14:42] <ingmar_> can anyone help me?
[14:43] <favro> ingmar_: it'll help if you mention what card
[14:44] <ingmar_> Atheros 802.11 Wireless Lan card
[14:44] <favro> ingmar_: that should be in this link
[14:44] <favro> !wifi
[14:45] <mrunagi> can anyone help me............x wont start
[14:46] <ipfw> mrunagi:  ati graphics ?
[14:46] <Tm_T> oh, mr unagi =)
[14:46] <mrunagi> nvidia
[14:46] <ipfw> symptoms ?
[14:46] <mrunagi> bootup sends me to the cli
[14:46] <dr_willis> what is it doing exactly? what card? upgrade/clean install? ect....
[14:47] <mrunagi> i dont recall doing anything to trigger it...........at some point kubuntu didnt want to load right because it was mounting as a read only system
[14:47] <ipfw> So, is Kubuntu 8.10 sexy ? how does it perform compared to Ubuntu 8.10, and are there any stability issues experienced ?
[14:47] <mrunagi> i took out the line in fstab that says if error then mount in readonly
[14:47] <mrunagi> on thing is that linux is telling me /tmp doesnt exist......
[14:48] <Tm_T> ipfw: if you ask from me, it's better, always
[14:48] <mrunagi> sudo mkdir /tmp returns the same........file or directory doesnt exist
[14:48] <zarlino> ipfw: it compares very badly
[14:48] <zarlino> ipfw: just made the comparison
[14:48] <Tm_T> zarlino: says you =)
[14:49] <zarlino> Tm_T: well i'm a longtime user
[14:49] <faileas> ipfw: IMO, overall i like it. there's a few annoying quirks with individual apps tho
[14:49] <Tm_T> zarlino: so am I
[14:49] <ipfw> zarlino, Tm_T : what is the hardware you are running on
[14:49] <Tm_T> ipfw: old fart amd with gig ram and nvidia
[14:49] <zarlino> Tm_T: ok so everything is perfect
[14:49] <ipfw> faileas:  can you give a few examples of your known issues ?
[14:49] <mrunagi> any ideas?
[14:49] <oobe> will all of my .kde/Autostart items still be there after i complete my upgrade to intrepid
[14:49] <Tm_T> zarlino: no, there's no perfection
[14:50] <faileas> ipfw: akgrigator seeming randomly using a LOT of processor
[14:50] <Tm_T> oobe: should
[14:50] <oobe> cause im using kde3
[14:50] <zarlino> Tm_T: but for some strange reason a guy that used kde for 7 years and converted dozens of other professional developers is switching to gnome...
[14:50] <sou> Hey !
[14:50] <ipfw> mrunagi:  boot from a live cd, run fsck on all your partitions, put the fstab line(s) back, and try again
[14:50] <Tm_T> zarlino: and?
[14:50] <ipfw> faileas:  whats an akgrigator, that an rss feed thing ?
[14:50] <zarlino> Tm_T: and everything is ok
[14:51] <faileas> ipfw: yeah
[14:51] <Tm_T> zarlino: no, I didn't say so =)
[14:51] <faileas> i haven't worked out why. it seems random ;p
[14:51] <Tm_T> zarlino: but for _me_ Ku is better than U
[14:51] <zarlino> Tm_T: good luck
[14:51] <Tm_T> zarlino: thanks, but I don't need luck (:)
[14:52] <ipfw> zarlino:  a lot of 5+ year kde users are bailing, kde4 has a different look and feel, and some people are set in their ways
[14:52] <zarlino> ipfw: i like new things that's not the problem
[14:52] <mrunagi> i dont have a cd
[14:52] <Tm_T> ipfw: like me, though, I should use my own doings anyway...
[14:52] <Tm_T> zarlino: whois me (;)
[14:52] <zarlino> ipfw: i like new working things
[14:53] <Tm_T> zarlino: ipfw: anyway, this is going to offtopic, meet us in #kubuntu-offtopic
[14:54] <Freku> hmm my Adept Manager isnt showing new version yet.
[14:54] <mrunagi> ok so new problem
[14:55] <mrunagi> how do i burn an iso image via cle
[14:55] <mrunagi> cli
[14:55] <galathalion> does the new upgrade work?
[14:56] <galathalion> i hurd it has major graphic-card problems
[14:56] <mrunagi> !iso
[14:56] <dr_willis> galathalion,  i had it fail for one machine... :(
[14:56] <mrunagi> ugh i wanna know how to BURN iso
[14:56] <dr_willis> but the gfx worked.. it was the networking that failed
[14:56] <dr_willis> use k3b under kubuntu to burn isos
[14:56] <dr_willis> !burn
[14:56] <galathalion> i tried to upgrade but my adept is fubar
[14:56] <mrunagi> i dont have x
[14:56] <mrunagi> im stuck in the cli
[14:56] <dr_willis> mrunagi,  then youget to use cdrecord or one of its text based frontends
[14:57] <ingmar__> Can anyone see whats wrong with my Wireless network drivers ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/65226/
[14:57] <dr_willis> try a apt-cache search cdrecord  perhaps and look for a text based front end.. or  try to use its commandline
[14:57] <dr_willis> Or was cdrecord replaced by somting else now a days? been a while
[14:58] <mrunagi> cdrecord burns images?
[14:58] <dr_willis> Yes.
[14:58] <dr_willis> cdrskin - command line CD/DVD writing tool
[14:58] <mrunagi> cdrecord file.iso?
[14:58] <dr_willis> wodim - command line CD/DVD writing tool
[14:58] <dr_willis> read the man pages.. or use a front end..
[14:59] <dr_willis> technically cdrecord is now 'wodim' :) it seems.. heh
[14:59] <pucko-> is there some way I can put icons on the desktop in kde4?
[15:00] <mrunagi> i cant use a front end without x
[15:00] <dr_willis> mrunagi,  ' text based front ends' run in the console
[15:01] <azerr> hallo
[15:02] <mrunagi> sigh...........if its not one thing its another i cant get me external to mount to burn kubuntu
[15:03] <mrunagi> fuse:failed to create temporary directory
[15:03] <mrunagi> i swear i have a virus
[15:03] <mrunagi> this is rather annoying
[15:04] <mrunagi> does anyone know what that means when trying to mount a hard drive?
[15:04]  * Eruaran is trying out the Kubuntu 8.10 live CD
[15:04] <dr_willis> mrunagi,   Just found this site.. not ubuntu specific    but handy.. or course you got no browser. unless you install a text based one....  it might work in lynx  http://manual.sidux.com/en/cd-no-gui-burn-en.htm
[15:05] <ipfw> mrunagi:  your file systems are hosed (messed up), try the livecd boot, and fsck on partitions like I recommended earlier ?
[15:05] <dr_willis> wodim dev=/dev/hdc driveropts=burnfree,noforcespeed fs=14M speed=8 -dao -eject -overburn -v something.iso
[15:05] <mrunagi> im trying to use livecd i have to burn it
[15:05] <Eruaran> I likes
[15:05] <dr_willis> fuse? what kind of filesystem is that you are trying to mount?
[15:06] <mrunagi> ntfs
[15:06] <ipfw> dr_willis:  from what mrunagi said earlier he has file system issues (corruption) when he boots his machine
[15:06] <Eruaran> the wallpaper is quite striking
[15:06] <dr_willis> what command did you use to mount it?
[15:06] <Eruaran> the desktop hits you when you first see it
[15:06] <mrunagi> sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/win
[15:06] <Eruaran> its like, woah, holy shite
[15:06] <ipfw> there are ntfsfix tools also
[15:06] <Eruaran> very nice
[15:06] <dr_willis> could try the ntfs-3g command. but thats proberly will be the same thing.
[15:08] <mrunagi> same output
[15:08] <mrunagi> good god this is annoying its like my pc is crippled
[15:09] <dr_willis> weird that you cant mount it...
[15:09] <mrunagi> theres alot going on thats weird
[15:09] <dr_willis> fuse:failed to create temporary directory seems almost like a permission issue.. or somthing weird
[15:10] <mrunagi> like my hd is read only
[15:10] <mrunagi> or certain parts are
[15:10] <kolla> is there kde3 for kubuntu-8.10?
[15:11] <Tm_T> no (yet?)
[15:11] <dr_willis> You could try mounting it read only with the ntfs filesystem
[15:11] <kolla> ok, time to change distro again... :/
[15:11] <ipfw> kolla:  8.10 runs kde4.1.2 default desktop, but can still use kde3 based applications
[15:11] <mrunagi> same output
[15:11] <kolla> well, it is the kde4 desktop that is totally useless, the apps are ok
[15:14] <mrunagi> i guess i have to reformat
[15:14] <Analkrut> Hi. What is the command you use in terminal to update instead of doing it in adept GUI
[15:14] <oconnect> i upgraded to 8.10, and kdm doesn't show a window for username and password, just the gray wallpaper. any idea how to fix?
[15:14] <PeperJohnny> Analkrut: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:15] <mrunagi> what does ~/.Xauthority not writeable changes will be ignored me
[15:15] <mrunagi> mean
[15:15] <Analkrut> PeperJohnny Thanks
[15:15] <ubuntu_>  hi, i have a probelm ihave uprade my kubuntu 8.04 too 8.10 and after finish i reboot my computer but he  get an errror in the console
[15:15] <ubuntu_> he say something with read-only-file-system
[15:15] <kolla> kinda like the irony of the kde 4.1 slogan.. "Don't look back."
[15:16] <i0i0> @kolla (to see what's better?)
[15:16] <kolla> something like that
[15:17] <i0i0> arar
[15:17] <kolla> dont look back, you might get frustrated
[15:17] <bulletprooved> hello
[15:18] <bulletprooved> i have just download ubuntu and i dont now how to install msn
[15:18] <mrunagi> im frustrated
[15:18] <dr_willis> 'Dont look back, it may be gaining on you'
[15:18] <dr_willis> !msn
[15:19] <kolla> using kopete for irc is frustrating yes :)
[15:19] <kolla> and it isnt particularly good for any of the other protocols either
[15:20] <kabo> how do you take all the gnome apps out?
[15:21] <dr_willis> You mean 'uninstall' ?
[15:21] <kabo> yes sir
[15:22] <kabo> is there anyway to take it all out in one command?
[15:22] <bazhang> !purekde
[15:22] <kolla> dpkg --purge $(COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^i.*gnome/ {print $2}')
[15:22] <kabo> bazhang: awesome! thanks
[15:23] <kolla> if someone actually do that... heh, oh boy :)
[15:23] <Tm_T> kolla: er?
[15:24] <violinappren> hi all, trying to install intrepid, install now hanged on "starting acpi services" while booting, is that a known issue?
[15:24] <kabo> kolla: what does that command mean?
[15:25] <kolla> purge out all packages with "gnome" in them
[15:25] <Aranel> hi, after 8.10 upgrade, i have 2 kicker s now. (kde3 and kde4) how can I get rid of kde3 one?
[15:25] <kolla> all installed packages
[15:25] <Tm_T> Aranel: there's no Kicker in KDE4
[15:25] <kolla> sadly
[15:25] <Samgr> Hello , can i ask sth?
[15:26] <Rob71> can anybody explain to me why there's no digikam in the new version of kubuntu?
[15:26] <kolla> Samgr: you already did
[15:26] <Aranel> Tm_T: so, can I "apt-get remove kicker" now?
[15:26] <PeperJohnny> Rob71: it isnt finished yet
[15:26] <Tm_T> you can
[15:26] <Samgr> How can i use an emerald theme?
[15:26] <jussi01> Hrm, what is the defaul scanning program in Intrepid?
[15:26] <kabo> kolla: awesome! thanks :D
[15:26] <Aranel> Tm_T: it says kicker is not installed already.
[15:26] <Aranel> Tm_T: But Its installed, and starts up automatically.
[15:27] <kolla> kabo: very awsome, maybe too awsome :)
[15:27] <ahmedb> Hi guys, I just recovered from a somewhat bumpy intrepid update :)
[15:27] <Tm_T> Aranel: you have rebooted yet?
[15:28] <Aranel> Tm_T: rebooted twice.
[15:28] <Tm_T> hmmm
[15:28] <Samgr> kabo can you help me?
[15:28] <Aranel> Tm_T: and i was using kde4 with hardy, and never seen kicker, but Its here after 8.10 upgrade.
[15:28] <Rob71> PeperJohnny: so a new version it's going to be pubblished for example a LTS version with all the programs
[15:29] <Tm_T> Rob71: no LTS until 2 or so years
[15:29] <Samgr> well...thanks..
[15:29] <PeperJohnny> Rob71: the next lts version of ubuntu iwill be in 2 1/2 years
[15:29] <kabo> Samgr: with?
[15:29] <Samgr> kubuntu
[15:29] <Tm_T> PeperJohnny: 1 ½ but... meh
[15:29] <ahmedb> I just upgraded to intrepid and I get this kdesudo error dialog at startup .. image here http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/8458/img1465by1.jpg .. can anyone help?
[15:29] <kabo> kolla: thats so awesome. i can see its removing it now
[15:30] <PeperJohnny> Tm_T: sorry my fault
[15:30] <Samgr> i want to use an emerald theme but i do not know how
[15:30] <kabo> Samgr: what about kubuntu?
[15:30] <rav> hello. does kopete use a special port for file transfers? I can't received them and I suspect my firewall is blocking that
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> ahmedb: there probably was a kdesudo process hanging around last time you restarted
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> it shouldn't happen too often
[15:30] <Samgr> how can i use an emerald theme?
[15:30] <kabo> Samgr: right click on desktop and click desktop settings
[15:30] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: it happens on every restart
[15:31] <Samgr> thanks!
[15:32] <david0287079> Can someone tell me, is it possible to automate adding an instance of a plasmoid to the desktop using a script?
[15:33] <kabo> Samgr: theres an option there at the bottom to change themes
[15:34] <billyd> I can't get to ISP in 8.10 using Firefox or Konquerer.  eth0 somehow got changed to eth1 in 8.10.  How can I change this?
[15:35] <violinappren> ahmedb: log off and log in again
[15:35] <ahmedb> violinappren: ok then
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> hey guys
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> qq
[15:37] <kabo> hey
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> in yakuake I cannot assign my ` top left key on my keyboard to bring up and down yakuake
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> can you advise how I can get this, was fine in kde3.5
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> just seems to want an extra input
[15:38] <violinappren> david0287079: must be a matter of manipulating a text file in .kde
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> im using a POS standard PS2 keyboard
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> nothing shiny or flash
[15:38] <violinappren> see .kde/share/config/
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> violinappren: have been on yakuakerc file but it doesnt appear to be set there
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> violinappren: even if i set it there the original config still stands
[15:39] <violinappren> sorry ActionParsnip, i meant that for david0287079
[15:39] <violinappren> ActionParsnip: but ironically you can try config too!
[15:39] <violinappren> heh
[15:39] <vvikram> i cant start xserver after doing distro upgrade, i am using nvidia driver how to fix it ?
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> oh theres a tool, where please
[15:40] <david0287079> ok thanks violinappren I will look into it
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> vvikram: edit xorg.conf to read Driver "vesa" instead of Driver "nvidia"
[15:40] <rav> vvikram: probably have to reinstall the driver for the new kernel
[15:40] <vvikram> rav how to do that ?
[15:40] <vvikram> ActionParsnip: let me try
[15:40] <billyd> Where does one set up or choose eth0 or eth1?
[15:41] <ahmedb> violinappren: restarted .. now all OK thanks
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> vvikram: that will give you a stock display and you can then reinstall drivers
[15:41] <rav> vvikram: i use envyng to install the driver
[15:41] <comedit> anybody able to help me on a compiling an driver for my Kubuntu64
[15:42] <saurjk> kopete kde4 sucks
[15:43] <saurjk> exit
[15:43] <Tm_T> saurjk: ok
[15:43] <violinappren> comedit: what do you want to install?
[15:43] <comedit> well my soundcard is not supported by alsa
[15:44] <vvikram> ActionParsnip: failed to load module vesa no driver
[15:44]  * vvikram am i online
[15:44] <ldp> Pidgin ftw
[15:44] <jussi01> So none knows what the scanning program for kde4 is?
[15:44] <violinappren> comedit: what/where the driver? and what's the problem installing it?
[15:44] <comedit> Somebody who was here in the forum was going to help me but I have not been able to get in contact again
[15:45] <dr_willis> kooka  for scanners?
[15:45] <jussi01> !info kooka
[15:45] <violinappren> i read somewhere on the dot there was a new app
[15:45] <rav> vvikram: switch to a console, and install the driver
[15:45] <violinappren> something with "lite"
[15:46] <jussi01> ahh
[15:46] <jussi01> !info skanlite
[15:46] <jussi01> :D
[15:46] <jussi01> thanks
[15:46] <ahmedb> Hey guys, after my upgrade to intrepid .. in Sound Settings: my HDA Intel disappeared and now something called PulseAudio surfaced .. and Amarok 2 does not play sound
[15:47] <vvikram> please help me i cant start xserver after doing distro upgrade, i am using nvidia driver how to fix it ?
[15:47] <dr_willis> reinstall the nvidia driver for starters perhaps?
[15:47] <ahmedb> vvikram: did you reinstall the driver?
[15:47] <rav> vvikram: after xserver fails to start, type Alt+F1
[15:47] <vvikram> dr_willis: how to do that ?
[15:47] <vvikram> rav ok
[15:47] <dr_willis> nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new package normally is what you want
[15:48] <violinappren> vvikram: alt + f7 to come back here again
[15:48] <amik> I just upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10 and after restart I only get a console screen... can anyone help?
[15:48] <rav> vvikram: you can start manually, or use envyng to install for you
[15:48] <vvikram> rav nothing happens when i press alt + f1
[15:48] <Algyz> vvikram,  approximately the same problem for me
[15:49] <ahmedb> amik: were you using nvidia driver?
[15:49] <violinappren> amik: "safe mode" booting than xfix?
[15:49] <Algyz> I can start, but low res
[15:49] <rav> vvikram: you should be at a terminal, login
[15:49] <vvikram> yeah
[15:49] <violinappren> vvikram: ctrl + alt + f1
[15:49] <vvikram> i am using irssi
[15:49] <violinappren> f7 to return to x
[15:49] <ubuntu_> i'm new to this and i'm having trouble with the install
[15:50] <amik> nope, it's in VirtualBox - simple driver. recover mode results in the same. I tried isntalling a fresh copy in a new VM, and it works ok (writing from it). But I don't want to lose the other machine's setup...
[15:50] <ubuntu_it> it'll only work with the cd help
[15:51] <ubuntu_it> who here is good at this?
[15:51] <ubuntu_it> help
[15:52] <dr_willis> ubuntu_it,  you may want to clarify the problem to the channel.
[15:52] <Algyz> ubuntu_it,  explain better pls :)
[15:52] <rav> !it ubuntu_it
[15:52] <vvikram> !nvidia
[15:52] <ubuntu_it> it install but it wont run without the cd
[15:52] <Darthfrog> !it | ubuntu_it
[15:52] <vvikram> lynx
[15:53] <ubuntu_it> the kubuntu 8.10
[15:54] <ubuntu_it> u think it might be computer problems that wont let the program run
[15:54] <violinappren> it's unfortunate but i have to that since edgy i have more and more issues to solve while installing kubuntu while there was almost zero with edgy itself
[15:55] <Darthfrog> ubuntu_it: What happens when your machine boots without the CD?  Do you see the GRUB boot loader screen?
[15:55] <violinappren> ^ have to say
[15:55] <ubuntu_it> yes but it stays stuck on the checking battery
[15:57] <Darthfrog> ubuntu_it: How long do you let it stay there before giving up?
[15:57] <legodude> ugh, why does okular respect printing settings on pdfs?
[15:57] <ubuntu_it> it goes on for too long
[15:57] <legodude> I can't believe it does that
[15:57] <|Toad> i upgraded 8.04 to 8.10 last night and i have 2 major problems and 1 big annoyance
[15:57] <Darthfrog> ubuntu_it: How long is too long?
[15:57] <|Toad> is there a way i can just reverse it?
[15:57] <YingFan> is there a problem with latest adept? I added medibuntu and its gpg key and no new packages show up after updating...
[15:58] <ubuntu_it> i think if i let it it'll go on 4 ever
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> YingFan: run sudo update-apt-xapian-index
[15:58] <ubuntu_it> what do u suggest
[15:58] <Darthfrog> ubuntu_it: You're not telling me how long you've left it.  It might be doing a file system check, which can take a long time.
[15:58] <YingFan> jonthe, thanks
[15:59] <ubuntu_it> well last time it was for like 15-20 minutes
[16:00] <violinappren> legodude: it was configurable in kpdf, so may be it's in okular
[16:00] <legodude> ugh
[16:00] <legodude> I don't want to have to recompile it
[16:00] <violinappren> settings dialog
[16:00] <rav> does anyone know if Kopete uses a specific port for file transfers?
[16:01] <Darthfrog> ubuntu_it: Try booting it in recovery mode, that'll give you more info as to what it actually happening and where it is actually being held up.
[16:01] <violinappren> rav: on jabber, no, pick any port but open in the firewall
[16:01] <legodude> got it
[16:01] <legodude> thanks violinappren
[16:01] <hagebake> is anyone else having the problem that kdm_greet uses 100% CPU, and kdm doesn't display the login window?
[16:01] <ubuntu_it> how can i do that?
[16:01] <rav> violinappren: on msn, or yahoo?
[16:01] <legodude> seriously though, why have then enabled as default
[16:01] <violinappren> msn, no, it doesn't have to have an open port
[16:02] <violinappren> dunno about yahoo
[16:02] <violinappren> legodude: you're welcome
[16:02] <Darthfrog> ubuntu_it: It's one of the choices on the GRUB screen.
[16:02] <NBPic> I am running Kubuntu 8.10 on an x64 laptop. I was playing with the screen effects and enabled one (I think the magnifier) that has enabled it impossible to see my desktop (all I see on the screen is black except the cursor). How do I disable it?
[16:03] <ubuntu_it> let me give it a try i'll come back if i cant figure it out
[16:03] <rav> violinappren: i can't receive file transfers, the progress bar shows up on my machine and on the sender's but both stay in 0%
[16:04] <ubuntu_it> thnks darthfrog
[16:04] <violinappren> rav: if you use msn, you're better off with "amsn", for better file transfere and webcam support
[16:04] <legodude> also, is there any way to configure the task switcher?
[16:04] <legodude> I'd rather be able to use arrow keys
[16:04] <YingFan> jontheEchidna still no new packages in adept :(
[16:04] <legodude> than have to control my fingers to hit shift to go back
[16:05] <violinappren> rav: for me, kopete almost always had problems with these on msn
[16:05] <cswift> Hi. I have just installed scilab from binaries into my root folder. How do i make a shell command so that all i have to type is scilab to open the programm?
[16:05] <legodude> cswift: add it to your path
[16:05] <rav> violinappren: me too. i'll try amsn, thanks
[16:05] <cswift> how do i do that?
[16:05] <violinappren> cswift: make a bin directory in your home directory and make a link to binary inside the bin dir
[16:06] <legodude> something like export PATH=/path/to/scilab:$PATH
[16:06] <legodude> if you are using bash
[16:06] <dr_willis> bin in the users home dir - will get auto-added to the path. :) bu the default .bashrc I belive
[16:06] <legodude> wow
[16:06] <legodude> cute
[16:06] <legodude> learn something new every day :)
[16:06] <violinappren> it gets checked for existance first
[16:06] <cswift> thanks for the help give me a min an i will try as much as i can do
[16:06] <YingFan> I've tried apt-get update, adept's update and kpackage update, none gives me any new packages even though it looks like it reads medibuntu fine...
[16:07] <dr_willis> it pays to expore the .bashrc and .bash_profile :)
[16:08] <cswift> ok made the bin directory by doing "mkdir bin" now how do i make a link to binary inside the bin dir
[16:08] <violinappren> ln -s /path/to/something ~/bin
[16:08] <YingFan> is 8.10 an alpha release?
[16:08] <Tm_T> YingFan: no
[16:09] <cswift> thank you. one last question how do i type the cd command to go back to? cd ../../scilab/etc
[16:10] <dr_willis>  time to read up on some bash/linux/command basics :) i think...
[16:10] <dr_willis> back to what?
[16:10] <cswift> hehe i guess
[16:10] <dr_willis> !abs
[16:10] <billyd> Did 8.10 change the way it numbers devices??
[16:10] <dr_willis> billyd,  not that i noticed
[16:11] <violinappren> billyd: seems so on some drivers, someone complained a while ago
[16:11] <natalisushka> Hi, I've got some issues with kubuntu 8.10. Window decoration (or frame where you can close and minimize) is gone! I guess it's because of compize or something. Anyway, how can i get mack to default or restart the interface manager ?
[16:11] <billyd> I was trying to figure oout why 8.10 thinks eth0 is now eth1 and change it so I can get online with 8.10
[16:12] <rav> natalisushka: sounds like you uninstalled compiz, while it was still enabled
[16:12] <YingFan> I can't even get update to work in 8.10 :(
[16:12] <cswift> oh this is a good point in ln -s /path/to/something ~/bin were do i start? In my home directory or at the very beging?
[16:12] <violinappren> i recall that this can somehow be fixed using modprob config files in /etc
[16:12] <violinappren> don't remember exactly how, though, sorry
[16:12] <dr_willis>  I always give full paths when i use ln. :) just in case
[16:12] <Darthfrog> billyd: Eth0 is not a device, it is not in /dev.  It is a kernel network interface and is the exception to the rule that everything is a file in Unix.
[16:13] <natalisushka> rav, no! i have compiz and fusion icon! I just can't get the window decoration back!
[16:13] <dr_willis> using compiz with kde4 ? :)
[16:13] <rav> natalisushka: i solved that by re-installing compiz, then selecting no effects. but that happened to me in 8.04
[16:13] <natalisushka> dr_willis, it was installed before with ubuntu, I installed kubuntu and then upgraded to 8.10
[16:13] <jtmoney> ubuntu guides warn against using fakeraid... i have a question, however... if i have a RAID-1 setup (fakeraid, through the BIOS but not a separate controller), what happens if the controller dies? it seems like i should be able to use the drives indepedently of one another, and thus, with a totally new RAID controller because RAID-1 is simply mirroring the data and not striping it or adding parity or using any sort of proprietary algorithm
[16:14] <billyd> How do I change eth1 back to eth0 or do I try to configure eth1??
[16:14] <Darthfrog> billyd: Try to configure eth1.
[16:14] <cswift> ln -s /scilab-5.0.2/bin/scilab ~/bin ok so i do that in my /bin directory and this will mean that when i type in scilab it will run?
[16:14] <billyd> Where?
[16:14] <dr_willis> natalisushka,  you may want to try kde4 without compiz
[16:15] <dr_willis> cswift,  you will have to logoit/backin to get the proper PATH set first
[16:15] <natalisushka> rav is there a way to restore defaults of the system and get it back to it's initial state as if it's a fresh installation? That is including sessions and effects!
[16:15] <dr_willis> cswift,  look in /home/whoever/bin also to be sure the link is right
[16:15] <Darthfrog> billyd: Try "sudo dhclient eth1" and see what happens.
[16:15] <natalisushka> dr_willis, I have kde4.1 with ubuntu 8.10 .. I guess you are write, but i want to keep compiz as I still use ubuntu
[16:15] <cswift>  ok thank you everyone!!! I will try logging now
[16:15] <dr_willis> natalisushka,  you dont have to use compiz with kde4 :)   you can still use it with gnome
[16:16] <billyd> OK
[16:16] <billyd> BAck later
[16:16] <rav> natalisushka: try right clicking on the desktop background, then 'Run command'
[16:16] <rav> natalisushka: type 'compiz' and hit enter
[16:16] <natalisushka> dr_willis, I am having a very strange issue also! I can't type in some apps!!! I opened adept and I can't use keyboard at all!
[16:17] <dr_willis> sounds like a compiz issue..
[16:17] <dr_willis> when in doubt blame compiz :)
[16:17] <rav> natalisushka: in the compiz window, choose no effects
[16:18] <natalisushka> rav, sorry I was logged out
[16:18] <natalisushka> as I said before, even if I do that I can't use keyboard!!!!
[16:18] <natalisushka> It' seems like I can't use any kde app
[16:18] <JeremyBicha> I can't get CHM's to open in okular and I have the extra-backends installed
[16:19] <JeremyBicha> with Intrepid
[16:19] <rav> natalisushka: that happens when KDE wants to  use compiz as window manager, and it is not there
[16:19] <vinci_> hi
[16:19] <natalisushka> rav you're talking about the kayboard issue?
[16:19] <vinci_> i have a question
[16:19] <rav> natalisushka: and the windows with no borders
[16:20] <natalisushka> aha! So, what do you suggest while i don't have access to any kde app with kayboard working?
[16:20] <rav> natalisushka: try right clicking on the desktop background, then 'Run command'
[16:20] <cswift> ok this is interesting. After i do ln -s /scilab-5.0.2/bin/scilab /home/cswift/bin/. I get
[16:20] <vinci_> is it different kde4 in ppa repository with the origional kubuntu repository?
[16:20] <cswift> ln: creating symbolic link `/home/cswift/bin/scilab': File exists
[16:20] <cswift> but it still dosent work even after restart
[16:21] <natalisushka> rav, I did, it disappeared behind xchat :/ and I can't move it or minimize it! it sucks
[16:21] <natalisushka> I can't use app switch either
[16:21] <rav> natalisushka: try switching to a different desktop with the mouse wheel
[16:21] <natalisushka> rav, so what do you suggest? Maybe I will get into ubuntu?
[16:22] <violinappren> cswift: type this "file ~/bin/scilab"
[16:22] <violinappren> what does it show?
[16:22] <natalisushka> rav, nothing happes!
[16:22] <cswift> this:  /home/cswift/bin/scilab: broken symbolic link to `/path/to/scilab-5.0.2/bin/scilab'
[16:23] <YingFan> is it completely impossible to add medibuntu to 8.10 ? I can't get it to show up in any common package manager despite following the instructions on medibuntu's page
[16:23] <natalisushka> rav, anyway Run command won't work as I can't type in!
[16:23] <violinappren> cswift:  ok where's scilab is installed in your machine?
[16:23] <violinappren> the full path
[16:23] <rav> natalisushka: you usually can type in that one
[16:24] <cswift> at:  /scilab-5.0.2/bin/scilab  there is no folder before this
[16:24] <violinappren> cswift: so when you type  just "/scilab-5.0.2/bin/scilab", the program starts?
[16:25] <cswift> yes
[16:25] <violinappren> ok, now do this
[16:25] <violinappren> "rm ~/bin/scilab"
[16:25] <violinappren> then
[16:25] <violinappren> "ln -s /scilab-5.0.2/bin/scilab ~/bin/scilab"
[16:26] <violinappren> then type "file ~/bin/scilab" and see what it shows
[16:27] <cswift> Wow man it works now thank you. It shows /home/cswift/bin/scilab: symbolic link to `/scilab-5.0.2/bin/scilab'
[16:27] <violinappren> now you should be able to write just "scilab"
[16:27] <cswift> yep :D Thank you very much violinappren
[16:27] <violinappren> cswift: no problem
[16:28] <YingFan> what file does adept and kpackage get the package info from? /var/lib/dpkg/available ?
[16:28] <cswift> now do you know how to get it into the start menu? :P
[16:28] <violinappren> cswift: there was a program in kde 3 called kmenuedit
[16:29] <violinappren> not sure if it's in kde 4, though
[16:29] <jussi01> cswift: right click the menu icon -> menu editor
[16:30] <cswift> violinappren: Nope no programm this time. It does not matter though I am happy with terminal
[16:30] <cswift> oh wow jussi01 thank you
[16:30] <PasNox> hi
[16:30] <Alex135_> are the repos for intrepid just slow or something? or is there a potential problem with knetwork manager (KDE4)
[16:30] <jussi01> Alex135_: they are slow because of the release
[16:31] <PasNox> i have a problem, i have added in xorg.conf the composite and addrgbvalues so i can be able to enable desktopeffects in kde4. all is working great except that qt3/kde3 apps are ugly paint
[16:31] <PasNox> many elemen are missing/unpaint
[16:31] <PasNox> any idea ?
[16:31] <Alex135> jussi01: ah ok, because it takes forever for adept to connect and update
[16:31] <jussi01> Alex135: yep
[16:31] <mrunagi_> can anyone help me with a serious problem
[16:31] <YingFan> something seems fundamentally wrong with 8.10's package management though
[16:31] <mrunagi_> kdm wont run
[16:31] <jussi01> !slow
[16:32] <rav> !torrents
[16:32] <violinappren> or google apt-p2p
[16:32] <Alex135> also is there a bug with it identifying a intel video card? as even xorg.conf has a verry default config and i dont belive hardware accell is working right even though i do have desktop effects
[16:32] <jussi01> err, needs updating
[16:33] <cswift> Thanks again for everyones help. cya
[16:33] <mrunagi_> i think my linux has a virus
[16:33] <mrunagi_> !fsck
[16:34] <kewlix> good job guys, the new kubuntu is great !
[16:34] <PasNox> nobody know for composite kde4 problems ?
[16:35] <Alex135> argh ill be back later, im remoted into my WORKING 8.04 box at home to talk on irc, ill be back in 20 minutes to an hour
[16:36] <mrunagi__> !fsck
[16:37] <violinappren> mod plz?
[16:38] <Nece228> does ubuntu 8.10 removed lag with flash?
[16:38] <mrunagi__> how do i run fsck on this hard drive linux is on...........-F didnt work
[16:39] <|Toad> i upgraded to 8.10, is there any way i can revert it back to 8.04 without wiping the drive?
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> |Toad: no
[16:41] <|Toad> okay
[16:41] <|Toad> so can i get 8.10 to work with my wireless, because it doesnt work now
[16:41] <|Toad> and i'm running 8.10 with the 8.04 kernel becuase hte new one crashes
[16:42] <kewlix> the tray icon for power manager is 'weird', it doesn't match the beauty of all the others
[16:42] <mrunagi__> can anyone help me figure out why kdm wont start
[16:42] <rav> mrunagi__: do you know if the xserver is working?
[16:42] <mrunagi__> how do i find out
[16:43] <rav> mrunagi__: do you have an nvidia video card?
[16:43] <mrunagi__> yes
[16:43] <rav> mrunagi__: then you don't have the driver, and the xserver is not starting up
[16:43] <KDE44> !es
[16:43] <mrunagi__> that doesnt make sense..........i had the driver 2 days ago
[16:43] <Analkrut> Is there a good program to get desktop gadgets??
[16:44] <rav> mrunagi__: the drivers are kernel specific, if you upgrade the kernel then you have to reintall the driver for the new kernel
[16:44] <mrunagi__> i didnt upgrade
[16:45] <rav> mrunagi__: it just broke for no reason?
[16:45] <mrunagi__> as far as i know
[16:45] <mrunagi__> im trying to locate a reason why
[16:45] <rav> mrunagi__: try reinstalling the driver
[16:46] <lulu> hi
[16:46] <mrunagi__> how do we know its the driver
[16:46] <Nece228> !hi | lulu
[16:46] <rav> mrunagi__: it's either the driver, or that the xorg.conf file was overwritten
[16:46] <lulu> i'm beginning on ubuntu
[16:46] <Nece228> lulu good
[16:46] <mrunagi__> so whats the best way for installing the driver for my card then
[16:47] <lulu> instal is allright
[16:47] <lulu> i'm trying it
[16:47] <acke> hey i removed my main panel how can i get it back?
[16:47] <mrunagi__> !driver
[16:48] <SlimeyPete> !nvidia
[16:48] <rav> mrunagi__: if you want to reset xorg.conf, try this 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg'
[16:49] <rav> mrunagi__: that will give you a generic conf file, with the generic driver, and X should start in low resolution
[16:49] <mrunagi__> dexconf: error: cannot create temporary work directory; "/tmp" does not exist
[16:49] <mrunagi__> i swear to god i have a virus
[16:51] <mrunagi__> no ideas?
[16:52] <rav> mrunagi__: i'd reintall the nvidia driver
[16:52] <mrunagi__> i think it has more to do with /tmp
[16:52] <mrunagi__> what permissions do /tmp have normally
[16:53] <rosco_y> which channel should I go to for multimedia help?
[16:53] <mrunagi__> why cant i cd to /tmp
[16:54] <rosco_y> mrunagi__: sounds like permission problems to me]
[16:54] <liam_> kubuntu crashes when trying to do version update download to 8.10 any help please
[16:54] <mrunagi__> what are /tmp permissions usually
[16:54] <rosco_y> not sure, but I'll look at mine
[16:54] <mrunagi__> thank you
[16:55] <mrunagi__> 1777?
[16:55] <rosco_y> mine is read/write/excute for everybody (owner, user, group)
[16:55] <rosco_y> mrunagi__: 777
[16:55] <mrunagi__> sigh
[16:56] <mrunagi__> i guess it doesnt matter
[16:56] <mrunagi__> i cant chmod tmp because linux says it doesnt exist
[16:56] <rosco_y> you might have to use "sudo chmod"
[16:56] <rosco_y> :)
[16:56] <mrunagi__> no such file or directory
[16:56] <rosco_y> I think /tmp should be standard
[16:56] <mrunagi__> its right there in the dir i dont understand
[16:56] <rosco_y> ....you see it when you list the directories?
[16:57] <mrunagi__> yup
[16:57] <rosco_y> how abou this: ls -l /
[16:57] <mrunagi__> i get ???????????????????????????? for tmp
[16:57] <rosco_y> wow....this is out of my league
[16:57] <mrunagi__> anyone?
[16:58] <Analkrut> Is there something special you need to download to be able to use the "make" command???
[16:58] <acke> hey, i removed my kde panel do you know how i can get it back? i dont have access to the programsmenu now... :I
[16:58] <rosco_y> I'm a newbie myself, but it sounds like you are having hd or fs problems
[16:58] <rosco_y> mrunagi__: I guess you could try to rmdir /tmp
[16:58] <mrunagi__> says it doesnt exist
[16:58] <rosco_y> and then recreate it, and  chmod 777
[16:58] <mrunagi__> i cant recreate it..........says it doesnt exist
[16:59] <Alex135> acke: right click and hit add widgit and look for one that looks like the kde menu (hopefully your useing kde4)
[16:59] <rosco_y> I'll bet you have to do a filesystem repair
[16:59] <acke> Alex135: i dont have a panel to rightclick on. how do i get the panel?
[16:59] <Alex135> acke: are you useing kde4?
[16:59] <rosco_y> you could start by researching fsck
[16:59] <mrunagi__> how do i without the live cd
[16:59] <Gr> Is there something special you need to download to be able to use the "make" command???
[16:59] <mrunagi__> id love to run fsck but i dont have a live cd =(
[17:00] <acke> Alex135: no older version
[17:00] <Alex135> acke: k, 1 sec
[17:00] <rosco_y> mrunagi__: look for a second opnion please, but if that was happening to me, I'd be tempted to try fsck -p
[17:01] <rosco_y> you don't have a live cd?
[17:01] <mrunagi__> no
[17:01] <mrunagi__> im in the army..........things get lost and destroyed
[17:01] <rosco_y> can you download one?
[17:01] <mrunagi__> no
[17:01] <rosco_y> mr
[17:02] <ki6amd> mrunagi__ are you needing a copy of the latest ISO?
[17:02] <rosco_y> mrunagi__: there is a small image which is useful for these kinds of situations, would you be able to download that (if I could remember what it was)
[17:02] <mrunagi__> yes
[17:02] <ki6amd> ...msg me your info, I'll mail you one
[17:02] <mrunagi__> ki6amd: i cant download anything large im tethering
[17:02] <rosco_y> let me scratch my head for awhile --- yes, that does feel good
[17:03] <Alex135> acke: ok first hit alt + F2
[17:04] <acke> Alex135: okay i get the run command dilaog
[17:04] <Alex135> acke: then enter this: systemsettings -caption "%c" %i %m
[17:05] <ki6amd> damn!
[17:05] <rosco_y> shoot, I just came back with an answer for mnunagi
[17:06] <rosco_y> ki6amd: that was a nice gesture on your part
[17:06] <ki6amd> I've got so many friends in the military, I know how it is
[17:06] <rosco_y> I was going to tell him that he could try gparted
[17:06] <acke> Alex135: systemsettings -caption "%c" %i %m right?
[17:07] <Alex135> acke: yes
[17:07] <l3d> happy Halloween
[17:07] <rosco_y> My son has just joined the Air force
[17:07] <rosco_y> Thank you, Happy Halloween to you too.
[17:07] <Alex135> acke: actually never mind, the way i was gonna go doesn't work
[17:07] <Alex135> acke: 1 sec while i find out another method
[17:07] <acke> Alex135: nope nothing happend
[17:07] <acke> Alex135:  thanks
[17:08] <Bauldrick> Hi - I'd like to run a python script at boot, can I just create an init.d start/stop script or do I need to run it as a deamon and create a pid? or am i confusing and over complicating things
[17:08] <ki6amd> expecting them to DL an ISO is impossible when watching a youtube video takes an hour
[17:08] <Alex135> acke: actually, have you logged out at all since you broke the bar?
[17:09] <acke> Alex135: no, i havent. its a home server.
[17:09] <jtisme> acke systemsettings -caption "%c %i %m"  should bring up system settings window
[17:09] <rosco_y> Alex135: what kind of bar?
[17:09] <acke> jtisme: it will
[17:09] <jtisme> if that is what you are tyring to do
[17:09] <Alex135> acke: if you have idrect access to the computer hit CTRL + ALT+ Backspace and it should reset x, since KDE doesn't save settings untill you logout you should be able to login again with everything restored
[17:09] <Alex135> direct*
[17:10] <ki6amd> rosco_y: I have a friend in every service and some family in the Army and Marines
[17:10] <acke> Alex135: okay i will restart, do you think that will help?
[17:10] <Alex135> acke: depends on waht you mean by restart
[17:11] <Alex135> acke:  are you at the machine itself now?
[17:11] <Alex135> acke: or are you remoted in
[17:11] <acke> Alex135: remote
[17:11] <Alex135> acke: dang
[17:11] <ki6amd> My closet friend is in the USAF, he lovwes it so much I think he'll retire there
[17:11] <Alex135> acke: then dont try that
[17:11] <rosco_y> ki6amd: Its good that some are willing to volunteer
[17:11] <Alex135> acke: do you mine having all kde settings reset?
[17:11] <Alex135> acke: to default?
[17:11] <Alex135> mind*
[17:11] <acke> Alex135: i have access to the computer. and remote access with ssh. its not an issue restarting
[17:12] <acke> Alex135:  got to go. laundry. see you later.
[17:12] <Alex135> acke: restarting will just save the KDE settings as they are
[17:12] <Alex135> acke: unless you can kill KDM
[17:13] <acke> Alex135:  okay i will not restart. but there got to be a way to get the panel back. :O
[17:13] <Captain_Haddock> I upgraded a friend's comp earlier today to Intrepid.. all seemed to have gone well... but upon reboot, I got to the login screen fine whereupon the system slowed to a crawl and I couldn't do anything.
[17:13] <acke> gottagot
[17:13] <edju> Is there a way to upgrade to 8.10 and keep kde3, perhaps as an option?
[17:13] <Alex135> acke: k, ill be here with a solution when you get back
[17:13] <acke> Alex135: great thanks a lot
[17:13] <Alex135> edju: simple, download kubuntu 8.10 with KDE3
[17:14] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, i have seen several comments here about that condition but no solutiions
[17:14] <Captain_Haddock> I've tried an earlier kernel and also tried recovery mode with the present one where I reset xorg.conf all to no avail
[17:14] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: ah :( Too bad.
[17:14] <Captain_Haddock> thanks.
[17:14] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, can you do  cntl + alt + 1 and get console window
[17:14] <edju> Alex135, Huh?  I didn't see that as an option.
[17:15] <roy__> how do I enter multilanguages like in ubuntu?
[17:15] <Alex135> edju: download the kubuntu 8.10 ISO
[17:15] <Alex135> edju: with kde3 support
[17:15] <Alex135> edju: it should be there
[17:15] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: I'm not at that PC now... Will be there tomorrow again to trying to fix things. What is your suggestion?
[17:15] <edju> Alex135, I'll look again.
[17:15] <Alex135> edju: nvm, i was wrong
[17:16] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, get to console window and run top to see what is hogging system resources
[17:16] <IppatsuMan> Hi :) I'm using Kubuntu 8.10 (clean install). Everything works fine except unmounting my external hdd. KDE doesn't unmount the partitions saying that the device is used by an application. In fact fuser reports that it is used by kded, I have to kill it to unmount the device. Is this a known bug?
[17:16] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: IIRC, CTRL + ALT + F1 didn't work.. I wasn't able to use the keyboard at all.
[17:16] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, strange
[17:16] <skabet> Is it a common problem that new uses can't start a new kde session?
[17:17] <Captain_Haddock> CTRL + Backspace did work, but the screen which initially had been perfect (visually) became garbled upon restart.
[17:17] <Alex135> IppatsuMan: perhaps you could help me, 8.10 seems to be running slow for me as it seems that the intel card is not setup properly, also the network manager is screwy. you know a way to fix this?
[17:17] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, boot to single user and run top then start kdm and see if you can get back to  console
[17:18] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: I'll try that. I did boot to root in recovery mode and ran startx which resulted in the same behaviour. I could however alt + f1 / f2 though - I should've checked top then.
[17:19] <IppatsuMan> Alex135: maybe Kubuntu activated desktop effects even if it isn't a good idea for oyur card, try disabling composite. Clic on the top left icon in any window and choose "Configure window behavior", then uncheck "enable desktop effects"
[17:19] <Captain_Haddock> is compiz activated at the login prompt, btw?
[17:20] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, if you get the root console then start kdm etc. you should be able to  CNTL +ALT + BS and get back to console
[17:20] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, dont know about compiz at all
[17:20] <mrunagi> i fixed it
[17:20] <mrunagi> YAY~!
[17:20] <Captain_Haddock> Captain_Haddock: righto
[17:20] <Captain_Haddock> er
[17:20] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: righto* :P
[17:20] <IppatsuMan> Captain_Haddock: as far as I know composite is acrivated only after login, I could be wrong, though.
[17:21] <Alex135> IppatsuMan: i would like desktop effects, however it seems its not configuring my intel card correctly as xorg.conf is a clean default and nothing special is in it for my intel card
[17:21] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: I'm assuming that the 4.1 desktop effects is just compiz?
[17:21] <mmo|> Anyone know what to install to get video support in 8.10...I mean divx and xvid and such. Now kdemultimedia doesnt do much I think...
[17:21] <IppatsuMan> Captain_Haddock: no, the composite effects are built in the new kwin
[17:21] <mrunagi> sometimes i like having windows on this pc
[17:21] <Captain_Haddock> cool
[17:22] <Captain_Haddock> IppatsuMan: just wondering because my mouse works fine initally once X starts and then begins struggling a couple of seconds later
[17:22] <IppatsuMan> mmo|: use the medibuntu repository
[17:22] <IppatsuMan> Captain_Haddock: does it work fine before log in?
[17:23] <Captain_Haddock> IppatsuMan: this is on the login screen itself
[17:23] <Captain_Haddock> I am unable to log in
[17:23] <Captain_Haddock> s/I am/I was
[17:24] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, can you select menu at login screen
[17:24] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: nope, I couldn't click on anything even if I inched my way across the screen
[17:24] <Captain_Haddock> keyboard shortcuts didn't work either
[17:25] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, we r talking about 8.10 and kde 4.1 right
[17:25] <Captain_Haddock> yep
[17:26] <IppatsuMan> Captain_Haddock: you could try booting with a live cd, mounting Kubuntu's partition and check if there are interesting log messages in /var/log/Xorg.0.log - but I'm not able to help much further than this, I fear
[17:26] <yaghmorassen> salut tt le mondes
[17:26] <Captain_Haddock> all login screen elements seemed to have a keyboard shortcut
[17:26] <wheresmydesktop> hello
[17:26] <yaghmorassen> personne ne parle en français ici je pense
[17:26] <wheresmydesktop> Booting from Kubuntu CD 8.10: Out of frequency. Ctrl-Alt-"keypad-minus" doesn't help, Ctrl-Alt-F2 dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg shows only keyboard options, sudo vi etc/x11/xorg.config shows a file with mostly comments about how now conf is automtic. HELP?
[17:26] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, how did you get to 8.10 upgrade or new install
[17:27] <abby87> hmm how can i upgrade to 8.10 from 8.04(kubuntu kde4 remix) using the normal 8.10 installation cd?
[17:27] <Captain_Haddock> IppatsuMan: I can get to the shell in recovery mode.. I didn't find anything telltale in xorg.0.log, although I don't know much about it
[17:27] <Captain_Haddock> IppatsuMan: thanks for your help :)
[17:27] <IppatsuMan> You're welcome :)
[17:27] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: alternate CD mounted upgrade
[17:28] <Captain_Haddock> incidentally, why did I have to download 657MB of updates on the second day of release? :S /rhetorical/
[17:29] <Captain_Haddock> oh
[17:29] <Captain_Haddock> btw, I wasn't able to perform an offline upgrade - the updater crapped out with what was - I'm assuming - a dependency issue.
[17:29] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, i only had six updates myself interesting
[17:29] <vbgunz> I cannot dual boot back into Windows. I do not get a grub error. it just says grub starting, grub (blinking underscore) *but* I cannot type anything in. I have to Ctrl+Alt+Del to reboot out of that screen :/
[17:30] <Captain_Haddock> so, the updater only proceeded if I allowed it to check the Internet for updates (slow as hell)
[17:30] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, i am not a fan of upgrades i always fresh install to another slice and see how it behaves first
[17:31] <jonathan_> hello!
[17:31] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, i am actually seeing some trivial 4.1 problems but the kde folks r covered up with real problems at this point so i am working around the matters
[17:31] <jonathan_> I've a question
[17:31] <jtisme> !question |jonathan_
[17:31] <jonathan_> i installed vlc right now to watch normal videos that i have on my external drive.
[17:31] <jonathan_> ubottu don't spam ;)
[17:31] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: yeah, I'm seriously considering holding off on upgrading my primary desktop
[17:31] <jonathan_> ok
[17:32] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, i would
[17:32] <jonathan_> and now the video is flickering a lot when i watch one...
[17:32] <jussi01> ubottu: is a bot
[17:33] <jonathan_> i know ubottu is a bot ;)
[17:33] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, there are just too many variables in upgrading and so i dont do it, ever
[17:33] <jonathan_> i hate ubottu by the way ;)
[17:33] <abby87> !kde4
[17:33] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: I was just looking forward to upgrading a few apps, nothing more :( ktorrent etc. don't backport most of their borderline fixes
[17:33] <abby87> hmm how can i upgrade to 8.10 from 8.04(kubuntu kde4 remix) using the normal 8.10 installation cd?
[17:33] <Captain_Haddock> abby87: I don't believe you can. you need the alternate install CD
[17:34] <abby87> darn i just wasted a lot of time downloadin that installation cd
[17:34] <Ramblurr> the intrepid update wants to overwrite a new hal.conf but the "new" one is just deleteing a crap ton of entries  http://rafb.net/p/5YK0P037.html should i allow that?
[17:34] <Captain_Haddock> abby87: I might be wrong though.
[17:34] <abby87> this thing annoys me a lot about ubuntu ...sometimes i like fedora there
[17:34] <jussi01> abby87: only way to do itwith that cd is a full reinstal
[17:35] <dario__> hi, i have some problems with audio in my kubuntu 8.10 kde4: mplayer plays audio fine but any kde app can do the same. Seems related to phonon, is there anyone who can help me? More strange is that notifications are played well but can't be played in systemsettings
[17:35] <jussi01> abby87: feel free to use fedora if you like it better :D
[17:36] <jussi01> dario__: youve been to system settings -sounds  and set the priorities on your sound card there?
[17:36] <abby87> jussi01: i'm not against any os i actually use both...i like particular features which are absent/present in either of them
[17:37] <Captain_Haddock> abby87: I just get the alternate CD every time.
[17:37] <acke> Alex135: any progress on the panel issue?
[17:37] <abby87> Captain_Haddock: first time upgrading experience i usually reinstall :P
[17:37] <dario__> jussi01: yeah, sorry, i forgot to mention it: there are no devices in that tab, no device in any category. There's only PulseAudio as advanced device
[17:38] <Captain_Haddock> abby87: ah :)
[17:38] <Alex135> acke: 1 sec
[17:39] <jtisme> i learned long ago to save my important config files do fresh install and run script to recover all my config files, make my life much easier
[17:40] <jtisme> makes
[17:40] <Vir> hi, just updated to 8.10 (well this morning, took until now to fix everything to bring it back up) and now sound is not working. As I can see pulseaudio is now running, but it seems to not want to give me access, what's wrong? Do I now need to be in another group?
[17:41] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, it is really a wonder that the various distros work on so many different hw platforms
[17:42] <Captain_Haddock> they all run on the same (more or less) kernel though, right?
[17:42] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, yes that is a blessing can u imagine several flavors of the kernel yuck!
[17:42] <Captain_Haddock> heh
[17:43] <DJTachyon_> so ... can i just update to 8.10 while in the os? :)
[17:43] <dario__> jussi01: any other idea?
[17:45] <Captain_Haddock> DJTachyon_: yep, that's the idea :)
[17:46] <Vir> any ideas about pulse in 8.10? can I ask somewhere else?
[17:48]  * Vir kills pulse then
[17:48] <DJTachyon_> so captain, how do i initiate that?
[17:48] <dario__> Vir my problem is similar to yours, have you tried playing files with mplayer?
[17:48] <dario__> do you hear notifications?
[17:48] <dario__> can dragonplayer play sounds?
[17:49] <Vir> dario__: all silent. Just stopped pulse and now all is fine
[17:49] <Vir> pulse uses hw access normally and if I can't get access to play over pulse then all is silent
[17:50] <Vir> the question is why pulse now is hogging the soundcard and the update didn't give me the right to access pulse
[17:50] <dario__> does every app play well? I don't have pulseaudio running but i'm unable to play sounds via kde
[17:51] <Vir> dario__: dragon plays
[17:51] <Captain_Haddock> DJTachyon_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[17:51] <dario__> Vir what's the name of the process to kill?
[17:52] <Vir> dario__: sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop
[17:53] <dario__> there's no pulseaudio in that dir, very strange...
[17:54] <Vir> then you probably have a different problem. See phonon.kde.org for a few tips
[17:55] <Analkrut> When you use the apt-get command, what else then "python-devel" should you type to get the python-devel package????
[17:55] <jtisme> Analkrut, sudo apt-get install ....
[17:56] <judd1> I just did a fresh install of the Kubuntu 8.10 i386 desktop on my thinkpad t61.  It installed.. but bootup fails at the KDE startup screen.  I let it sit for over and hour, and it never got to the desktop.  Anyone else see this?
[17:56] <Analkrut> jtisme I typed that and then "python-devel" but it sais that there is now package named that
[17:56] <Analkrut> no*
[17:56] <jtisme> judd1, think i saw similar behavior with live cd
[17:57] <White_Pelican> I'm just now starting to use kde 4.12, how do I change that fugly black theme?
[17:57] <jtisme> Analkrut, then type  sudo apt-cache search  string  to search for pkg name
[17:57] <jtisme> judd1, are you familiar with boot options in grub
[17:57] <Tm_T> White_Pelican: first, stop using cursinglike language, secondly, rightclick desktop and have some configure love
[17:58] <judd1> jtisme - yes, I know grub well.
[17:58] <Darthfrog> Does PulseAudio add anything to Kubuntu?  Does it conflict with or complement Phonon?
[17:58] <jtisme> judd1, then remove the splash from the boot line and see if kde comes up
[17:58] <Tm_T> Darthfrog: Phonon uses pulseaudio
[17:58] <Tm_T> so...
[17:58] <Vir> Darthfrog: for KDE 4.2 it can be used, with KDE 4.1 it's in the way
[17:59] <DJTachyon_> Captain: it says command not found
[17:59] <DJTachyon_> im running the Intrepid RC
[17:59] <Vir> Tm_T: not yet
[17:59] <Vir> Tm_T: it uses ALSA directly
[17:59] <judd1> jtisme - the kubuntu splash comes up OK.. it's hangs on KDE startup.
[17:59] <Tm_T> Vir: it does, atleast here
[17:59] <Vir> Tm_T: KDE 4.1 as shipped with 8.10?
[17:59] <Darthfrog> Vir, Tm_T Tnx.
[17:59] <judd1> jtisme - kde shows a few slightly glowing icons during startup.. but they never go fully bright. :(
[17:59] <Tm_T> Vir: ...bah, I forgot, I use trunk =)
[17:59] <jtisme> judd1, you get the login screen then things go away
[17:59] <Tm_T> Darthfrog: see what Vir said (;)
[17:59] <Vir> Tm_T: right
[18:00] <judd1> jtisme - I never get to the login screen.. KDE seems to die on startup.
[18:00] <Vir> for now pulse doesn't add anything to the KDE experience
[18:00] <Vir> so I'd rather leave it out for a KDE desktop
[18:00] <Vir> in the future that might change
[18:00] <Tm_T> it might not add even later on either
[18:00] <jtisme> judd1, then remove the splash from the boot options and see if things work did for me
[18:00] <Vir> the reason why Phonon can work with Pulse is so that apps work in a GNOME environment, too
[18:01] <judd1> jtisme - That would shock the hell out of me.  I'll reboot and report back.  Thanks for the help, jtisme
[18:03] <PasNox> i ahve some problems with composite/addrgbvalues in intrepid, and desktopeffects activated, does anyone have such problem ?
[18:04] <Tm_T> PasNox: not me
[18:04] <PasNox> :(
[18:04] <Tm_T> PasNox: but apparently you do (;)
[18:04] <PasNox> if i deactivaded he desktop effects, all is ok
[18:04] <Tm_T> PasNox: I guess you also have some questions, so ask (;
[18:05] <jwheaton> Hey, all.  Lurking to watch the traffic out of the corner of my eye.  I want to say to the Kubuntu team "nice job".
[18:05] <PasNox> Tm_T: i have the problem, i ned them diseapear, here is the question :)
[18:05] <Analkrut> jtisme "sudo apt-cache search string python-devel" didn't work, nothing happened
[18:05] <jwheaton> I upgraded an ancient HP laptop to Intrepid this AM and it went nicely.  I'm still tepid about KDE4, but my only major hestitation is panels are hideable.
[18:05] <jwheaton> oops -- panels AREN'T hideable.
[18:06] <prateek> Yeah, that's basically the reason I'm sticking with 8.04. :-(
[18:06] <prateek> For me, KDE 3.5 to KDE 4.1 would be a downgrade.
[18:06] <jtisme> Analkrut, sudo apt-cache search python   gives list of all possible python pkgs then you can install what devl pkg you want to
[18:06] <jwheaton> preteek: my primary machine will stay 8.04 for a bit.  Once KDE4 stabilizes a bit more, I am going to jump in with both feet.
[18:07] <jtisme> jwheaton, smart person
[18:07] <jwheaton> I like my screen real estate
[18:07] <prateek> jwheaton: Oh ok. I have only one machine to play with.
[18:07] <prateek> Me too.
[18:07] <jwheaton> and not a desktop cluttered with widgets to get something similar to 3.5.x
[18:07] <prateek> I love the 54-pixel tall auto-hide panel with a 3-row taskbar.
[18:08] <jwheaton> But, otherwise, KDE4 is pretty neat.  I look forward to replacing all/most of my karamba stuff with widgets.
[18:08] <prateek> KDE 4.1 as in Intrepid doesn't have a multi row taskbar either.
[18:08] <prateek> Hmm...
[18:08] <jwheaton> hey... yeah... what's up with that.  Multi-row taskbar is a -must-.
[18:09] <prateek> Yup.
[18:09] <prateek> :-(
[18:10] <jwheaton> BUT the KDE team does say it right.  It is stable, though lacking features of KDE3 yet-to-be-incorporated.
[18:10] <jwheaton> So, I'm not knocking them ... that's a heck of a lot of effort to come up with KDE4.
[18:10] <prateek> I was evaluating the Intrepid live CD today and was actually willing to give up the panel entirely, put a standalone systray on the desktop itself, and primarily use Ctrl+F12, Ctrl+F9, and Alt-Tab... but then even the systray seemed to be buggy with icons disappearing every now and then. So I'm giving up and sticking with 8.04.
[18:11] <prateek> Oh yeah...
[18:11] <jwheaton> Yeah, I noticed that about the system tray widget :(
[18:11] <prateek> I'd have liked Kubuntu not to switch to a feature-incomplete KDE, though...
[18:11] <jwheaton> I need to get off my butt and file a bug (or throw my weight on one).
[18:12] <prateek> Yup...
[18:14] <prateek> One thing I always liked about KDE was the konfigurability. :-)
[18:14] <prateek> Nice to open KControl or Tools->Configure in some app and have lots of options to play with.
[18:15] <prateek> I saw less of that in KDE 4, I think... though I haven't seen much.
[18:17] <donavan> I tried using xrandr to configure a dual head ATI config and it locks up xorg. Any suggestions as what to poke at?  I'm on 8.10...
[18:17] <violinappren> !synergy
[18:17] <violinappren> removed from intrepid?!!
[18:17] <jwheaton> Synergy?  Using it right now.  It is awesome!
[18:18] <jwheaton> Oh, that sucks.
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> !info synergy
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> violinappren: ^
[18:18] <violinappren> ah sorry forgot "info"
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[18:19] <White_Pelican> there is an app in adept called kde4 panel extra gear, what is it's purpose?
[18:20] <jwheaton> extra plasmoids/widgets
[18:20] <White_Pelican> hmmm
[18:20] <edju> Is there a way to upgrade to 8.10 and keep kde3, perhaps as an option?
[18:20] <jwheaton> Not from what I have read.
[18:20] <jwheaton> KDE3 isn't even in the Intrepid repositories.
[18:20] <violinappren> edju: compile it yourself?
[18:20] <jwheaton> exactly
[18:21] <jwheaton> I was going to upgrade my primary machine on a whim until I read a note that said 8.10 went whole-hog and is only KDE4.
[18:21] <jwheaton> That put the brakes on reaaaal fast for me.
[18:21] <edju> Yeah, me too.
[18:22] <rgreening> KDE 4.1.2 is pretty good actually. I'd recommend at least test spinning the live CD
[18:22] <jwheaton> agreed
[18:22] <edju> I already that.
[18:22] <jwheaton> It is only going to get better with more people using it an suggesting features.
[18:22] <edju> did that
[18:22] <donavan> KDE 4.1.2 would be pretty good if dual head worked
[18:23] <rgreening> 4.0 in hardy wasn't for me, but that was more a "get your feet wet" kind of deal. This one is much more polished
i always thought kde's strong point was the fantastic apps and framework not the shell, but unfortunately alot focus seem to have been diverted to the shell in kde 4</unhelpful-whining>
[18:23] <jwheaton> I'm sure the KDE team already has a plan, but if everyone screams for ... oh ... HIDEABLE PANELS ... we just might get it .  ;)
[18:23] <rgreening> 4.2
[18:24] <jwheaton> really?  sweeeet.
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> yup, went into 4.2 about a month ago
[18:24] <rgreening> I'm pretty sure I remember reading a blog from asiego
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> well, what will become 4.2
[18:24] <edju> It's the little stuff - the Kmenu is awful.  Why not just a list?
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> right click on kmenu -> classical menu
[18:24] <PeperJohnny> edju: you can switch it to classic menu
[18:24] <rgreening> exactly
[18:24] <rgreening> That's what I use.
[18:25]  * JontheEchidna uses KRunner
[18:25]  * violinappren supports alt+f2
[18:25] <rgreening> The kickoff is nice for about 10 minutes, then it's quite anti productive for me.
[18:25] <stahlmanz> need help
[18:25] <rgreening> ALT+F2 rox
[18:25] <stahlmanz> im on linux server and need mp3 codecs
[18:25] <jwheaton> I started using Katapult in 3.5x ... KRunner in KDE4 beats the pants off that IMO
[18:25] <stahlmanz> my admin isnt letting me
[18:25] <stahlmanz> needs password
[18:25] <stahlmanz> any way around?
[18:26] <rgreening> stahlmanz: you may need to download src package and compile manually to instal in a local dir.
[18:26] <stahlmanz> the problem is that i cannot download or install anything because everything needs admin rights
[18:26] <rgreening> Not sure which package
[18:27] <rgreening> Install to a local dir does only require your privs
[18:27] <stahlmanz> how do i install this
[18:27] <rgreening> the download will be an issue if you arent allowed im afraid
[18:27] <stahlmanz>  ok
[18:27] <jparishy_> Hey, how do I make my GTK apps, ie firefox, look like the rest of my KDE applications (Use the same theme?)
[18:27] <stahlmanz>  is there any way i can get them in an email
[18:27] <stahlmanz>  and install them?
[18:27] <violinappren> stahlmanz: if you don't have shell access, forget it
[18:27] <stahlmanz>  because gmail is aloud on our machines
[18:27] <stahlmanz>  i have konsole access
[18:28] <violinappren> then google how to compile and install tarballs
[18:28] <stahlmanz>  i cant google it because i have no internet
[18:28] <stahlmanz>  that is blocked also
[18:28] <rgreening> stahlmanz: you may want to post in the forums. you need to know a) which package b) how to modify makefiles c) how to compile d) have access to a compiler...
[18:29] <rgreening> I think you will not be able to accomplish this (easily, if at all)
[18:29] <stahlmanz> so even if i emailed them to myself i cannot install them?
[18:29] <Tukon> anyone have a ppa source for firefox (minefield) nightly builds?
[18:30] <rgreening> src code needs to be compiled. do you know how to compile?
[18:30] <rgreening> stahlmanz: ^
[18:30] <stahlmanz>  i do not know
[18:30] <stahlmanz>  im a nub with linux
[18:31] <rgreening> stahlmanz: then, no its unlikely that you'll be able to do this. The admin has locked down the system for a reason. I would not like to circumvent that
[18:31] <stahlmanz>  but the question is could you?
[18:31] <rgreening> stahlmanz: anything is possible if you know how.
[18:31] <stahlmanz>  could you give me instructions on how to
[18:32] <Masterkong> hiya
[18:32] <stahlmanz> im not trying to hack his system im just trying to get simple codecs
[18:32] <violinappren> stahlmanz: and to put things in focus this is a kubuntu support channel not a "security interest" one
[18:32] <rgreening> stahlmanz: not on this chan. it would take a lot of time
[18:32] <rgreening> :)
[18:32] <stahlmanz> ok :(
[18:32] <rgreening> sry stahlmanz
[18:32] <stahlmanz>  np
[18:32] <Masterkong> i get working wlan with 8.04 livecd but the installed system i installed wired wont work wirelessly.. any ideas?
[18:33] <violinappren> Masterkong: what network card do you have? have you researched the status of it's drivers in hardy?
[18:34] <jparishy_> Hm, was the "GTK Styles" tab in appearance taken out in 3.5.10?
[18:35] <violinappren> !info gtk-qt-engine-kde4
[18:35] <Masterkong> damn webirc
[18:35] <rgreening> ok, got a question: what's the best way to export mail from kmail and save so when I flatten my system I can import it? if possible...
[18:36] <Masterkong> i've got troubles with wlan
[18:36] <jparishy_> violinappren: At the moment, I am not using kde4 though.
[18:36] <rgreening> using Kmail 4.1.2 btw
[18:36] <Masterkong> anyone.?
[18:36] <Masterkong> anyone.?
[18:37] <violinappren> jparishy_: then same package but without -kde4
[18:37] <Masterkong> wlan not working after upgrade from 8.04 ti 8.10`?
[18:38] <jparishy_> violinappren: That's the first package I tried, but it keeps telling me it needs to install a bunch of kde4 packages, so i canceled it
[18:38] <violinappren> jparishy_: the one without -kde4? it's qt3 no 4s
[18:39] <jparishy_> Yeah, the one without -kde4
[18:40] <Masterkong> i get kernelpanic too
[18:41] <Masterkong> anyoen got ANY idea why it is so?
[18:41] <Masterkong> or any good way to errorsearch?
[18:45] <millun> hi, i've installed postgis (an extension for postgresql) and tried to restart the postgre but i get psql: FATAL:  the database system is shutting down
[18:47] <seba_> !es
[18:51] <logan> hey, i have a memory question if someone could help me out
[18:52] <jwheaton> I might be able to.  fire away.
[18:53] <nuno__> huh
[18:53] <nuno__> i just updated to intrepid
[18:53] <nuno__> is there any way to use kde3 on it?
[18:53] <jwheaton> logan:  you still there?
[18:53] <jwheaton> nuno:  frequent question.  intrepid only has KDE4
[18:53] <jussi01> nuno__: no. no kde3 on intrepid
[18:53] <nuno__> huh
[18:53] <nuno__> i see
[18:54] <nuno__> i just hate kde4
[18:54] <nuno__> where is the desktop? x_x
[18:55] <jwheaton> there should be a widget for you to show the desktop.  the desktop now has a widget/plasmoid it sits in.
[18:56] <logan_> I have 4Gb of RAM on my computer, and I have 64-bit Ubuntu 8.04 desktop installed, but the resource manager shows me as having only 3Gb of memory. The main reason for me having 64-bit is to use all my RAM, so how can I get my computer to recognize the other gig?
[18:56] <jwheaton> logan:  go into your BIOS and enable "memory remap".
[18:57] <nuno__> huh and is there any way to use wlassistant on intrepid?
[18:57] <jwheaton> nuno:  not sure.  This is where I pass to buck to anyone else present and able to answer.
[18:57]  * sivaji i feel kde3 is better that kde4
[18:57] <logan_> Jwheaton: which menu would that be under?
[18:57] <costa58> cerco aiuto
[18:58] <logan_> never mind
[18:58] <logan_> i will go try
[18:59] <nuno__> jwheaton: Do you know the name of any other Network Manager?
[18:59] <costa58> come faccio a entrare in ubuntu.it?
[19:00] <Exilant> is there some extra repository for plasmoids? or do i have to compile them all myself
[19:01] <jussi01> Exilant: many are in the normal repos
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> apt-cache search plasmoid
[19:01] <sivaji> is it possible to have kde3 in intrepid ?
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> will display all available plasmoids
[19:01] <jussi01> sivaji: no
[19:02] <sivaji> jussi01 ok :D
[19:02] <Exilant> JontheEchidna: did that, but i'm missing many from kde-look.org
[19:02] <Exilant> but dunno if those compile in 4.1 anyway
[19:03] <nuno__> where is the plasmoid for the desktop? X_X
[19:03] <logan> it's me, the memory guy, again. Turns out there is no memory remap command in my BIOS. is there anything else I could try?
[19:03] <Exilant> have a nice evening
[19:04] <Bauldrick> Hi - I'd like to run a python script at boot, can I just create an init.d start/stop script
[19:04] <jussi01> !bum | Bauldrick
[19:05] <logan> in case anyone else could help, i'm on a 64-bit version of Ubuntu and i'm trying to get my computer to recognize all 4Gb of my RAM. It currently only recognizes 3Gb.
[19:06] <nuno__> whats the name of the plasmoid to show the desktop?
[19:06] <jwheaton> @logan:  is your board rated for 4gb?
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> nuno__: Show Desktop
[19:07] <logan> jwheaton: i believe so, my Vista installation recognizes all four gigabytes.
[19:07] <mado> hi guys and gals :)
[19:07] <mado> Darthfrog: are you around?
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> logan: did you install the 64 bit version of Kubuntu?
[19:08] <jwheaton> logan:  you may also want to check your BIOS manufacturer's website.  Sometimes they name these things differently.
[19:08] <FreakCERS> Hi there, I'm in a bit of a pickle - I was helping a friend of mine installing kubuntu (8.10) on a laptop he and his unit will be using for entertainment while on duty in afgahnistan (they leave on wednesday), but after install, the laptop will not boot - not from harddrive, not from any CD - after BIOS, there's just black screen
[19:08] <FreakCERS> can you offer any tips for recovering it?
[19:08] <Tekhne> i'm trying to upgrade to 8.10 like everyone else :) however, in using the adept_manager, clicking finish at the end of the upgrade wizard dialog doesn't launch the distribution upgrade tool. is that something i can run manually? if so, what's the command?
[19:09] <logan> its actually the full Ubuntu, and yes, it is the 64-bit version. and my CPU is an Intel Core 2 Duo T5200 1.56GHz 64-bit.
[19:09] <nuno__> do-release-update -d
[19:09] <Tekhne> nuno__: is that for me?
[19:09] <nuno__> yes
[19:09] <Tekhne> thanks!
[19:10] <violinappren> wasn't there an option in settemsettings to select the default file manager?
[19:10] <mado> oy ... i have a problem with sound ... i use kubuntu 8.10 ... i don't get it ... i had sound shortly before the desktop finished loading ... i heard a bit of the start up tune ... but now ... i don't have any sound at all ... weird ... can you help me??
[19:10] <nuno__> Tekhne:worked?
[19:10] <Tekhne> nuno__: hmm, not found
[19:10] <nuno__> Tekhne: worked?
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> violinappren: if you go to the advanced tab -> file associations you can change the default association for inode/folder
[19:10] <nuno__> Tekhne: you used -d?
[19:10] <Tekhne> yea
[19:10] <judd_> hi folks, I just completed installation of  Kubuntu 8.10 i386 on my thinkpad T61, and it boots OK, but after the KDM login, KDE fails to start, I get one clear icon of a HDD, and three fuzzy icons.  I've waited an hour.
[19:11] <Tekhne> do-release-update command not found
[19:11] <nuno__> oh
[19:11] <violinappren> JontheEchidna: yeah i knew but it doesn't work with the "device notifier"
[19:12] <violinappren> always launches dolphin
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> the device notifier is hardcoded to use dolphin I think
[19:13] <Tekhne> nuno__: hmm, seems to exist in /usr/bin
[19:13] <DarkShinigami> Hello all
[19:13] <DarkShinigami> Is it "safe" to upgrade to 8.10 or should it wait?
[19:13] <Tekhne> nuno__: trying to figure out why sudo says "command not found"
[19:13] <costa58> ciao a tutti
[19:13] <DarkShinigami> Tekhne: What are you entering?
[19:13] <Riverfount> olá pessoal, estou com problemas com o Kubuntu 8.10, alguém poderia me auxiliar???
[19:14] <Tekhne> nuno__: sudo do-release-update -d
[19:14] <costa58> non mi funziona l'audio
[19:14] <Tekhne> nuno__: however, sudo /usr/bin/do-release-update -d seems to be working
[19:14] <Tekhne> hmm
[19:14] <jt66> DarkShinigami, watch this channel for a while and you can decide
[19:14] <DarkShinigami> Tekhne: Is do-release-update a command?
[19:14] <jussi01> !it | costa58
[19:14] <Tekhne> DarkShinigami: yea
[19:14] <Riverfount> sorry!!!
[19:15] <jussi01> DarkShinigami: Id say wait a while because of:
[19:15] <jussi01> !slow
[19:15] <jt66> just
[19:15] <DarkShinigami> jt66: I meant, "is everyone and their grandparents updating to 8.10 right now and the upgrade will take forever and a year, or is it safe to get it going now?"
[19:15] <costa58> #ubuntu-it
[19:15] <MrBallZ> !torrents
[19:15] <DarkShinigami> That did it
[19:15] <DarkShinigami> I got the torrent
[19:16] <jt66> DarkShinigami, yes
[19:16] <jussi01> costa58: /join #ubuntu-it
[19:16] <DarkShinigami> Took about 10 minutes at most to download
[19:16] <DarkShinigami> Probably not that long, even
[19:17] <Tekhne> DarkShinigami, nuno__: anyway, thanks for the help...do-release-update seems to be working now
[19:17] <Tekhne> DarkShinigami, nuno__: ps -- what does the -d flag do?
[19:17] <stoned> hi
[19:17] <stoned> I have debian lenny and kde3 atm
[19:17] <stoned> i wish to try the new kubuntu 8.10 kde4
[19:17] <stoned> which dir does kde4 use?
[19:17] <stoned> should I rename it to something else before trying kde4?
[19:17] <dda> Tekhne: i had to change nicks , im nuno
[19:18] <stoned> please advise, as I'd like to keep my settings of the debian distro but use the same drive as /home
[19:18] <Tekhne> dda: ah, okay. what does the -d flag do?
[19:18] <jussi01> StoneApple: it uses .kde
[19:18] <stoned> dual boot kubuntu also
[19:18] <dda> Tekhne: i dont really know xD
[19:18] <dda> someone told me
[19:18] <Tekhne> dda: okay
[19:19] <dda> How can i see the desktop files?
[19:19] <stoned> anyone
[19:19] <DarkShinigami> I'm glad I have a backup laptop to use as my guinnea pig for new installs. :)
[19:19] <jwheaton> Tekhe:  do-releate-update -h   -- that will tell you
[19:19] <jwheaton> Tekhne:  -d is "development release"
[19:19] <jt66> stoned if you are going to dual boot then it wont matter
[19:20] <stoned> yes it will because /home will be shared between debian kde3 and kubuntu kde4
[19:20] <Tekhne> jwheaton: ah, so should i not do a development release? i just want the normal stable stuff.
[19:20] <stoned> so if kde4 is going to write to ~/.kde or somewhere else
[19:20] <stoned> that is myentire question
[19:20] <jussi01> dda: using the folderview plasmoid
[19:20] <jt66> stoned ok i did not see that you had mentioned a common /home
[19:20] <jwheaton> Tekhne:  personally, i'd try without the -d
[19:20] <Tekhne> jwheaton: okay
[19:20] <stoned> jt66, np
[19:20] <jussi01> stoned: as I said, it uses ~/.kde
[19:20] <jwheaton> Tekhne:  if that doesn't work, try the -d
[19:20] <stoned> you didn't
[19:21] <Tekhne> jwheaton: yea, w/o -d, nothing happens
[19:21] <ubuntu> !es
[19:21] <Tekhne> jwheaton: thanks
[19:21] <jussi01> stoned: [21:18:09] <jussi01> StoneApple: it uses .kde
[19:21] <stoned> ok so I can keep my /home/stoned shared between kubuntu and debian without a problem
[19:21] <jwheaton> stoned:  it converts your kde3 settings to kde4 settings.  there is no going back
[19:21] <stoned> jussi01, uhm
[19:21] <jt66> stoned so save  /home whatever you want to perserve somewhere so you can get your setting back incase of tragedy
[19:21] <stoned> who is stoneapple?
[19:21] <stoned> not me.
[19:21] <jussi01> typo
[19:21] <stoned> you can't blame for not seeing it
[19:21] <stoned> ten
[19:22] <stoned> then*
[19:22] <jwheaton> jussi01: craving a nice granite apple are you?
[19:22] <jwheaton> ;)
[19:22] <stoned> jwheaton, thats what I 'm aafraid of
[19:22] <jussi01> stoned: to be honest I would not share home dirs like that
[19:22] <stoned> if I decide to reboot and select debian, I want to simply have it have my kde3 settings
[19:22] <stoned> ok
[19:22] <stoned> whatever
[19:23] <stoned> looks like I can't get a stright snawer here
[19:23] <stoned> everyone with thier little opinions
[19:23] <jwheaton> stoned:  if you are dual-booting, it doesn't matter
[19:23] <stoned> yes it does
[19:23] <jussi01> jwheaton: he is planning to share separately mounted home partition
[19:23] <jwheaton> stoned:  you are reusing your /home mount?
[19:23] <jwheaton> doh...
[19:23] <stoned> just simply answer this question if you are able to.  Where does kde4 store all its settings?
[19:23] <FreakCERS> After installing kubuntu 8.10, my laptop only shows black screen after bios - can't even boot from a CDrom (knoppix/kubuntu/winxp) - any ideas what could cause that?
[19:23] <jwheaton> .kde
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> stone: ~/.kde
[19:24] <jussi01> stoned: in ~/.kde as I said!
[19:24] <stoned> jwheaton, great
[19:24] <jwheaton> ~/.kde ... as the crowd says
[19:24] <stoned> does it go into ~/.kde/kde4 or ~.kde ?
[19:24] <jwheaton> just ~/.kde
[19:24] <stoned> ok then I know what to do
[19:24] <jwheaton> it waves a magic wand over ~/.kde and kde4-ifies it.
[19:24] <stoned> mv my ~/.kde to ~/.kde3 and then install kubuntu and use my /home
[19:24] <stoned> simple
[19:24] <jwheaton> stoned: now there is a plan :)
[19:25] <stoned> I dunno why everybody was making it complex
[19:25] <punz> hey I'm trying to run compiz under kde4 but its using the gnome window dectorations, what's the path/name of the kde4 window manager? it's not kwin is it? (i'm pretty sure that's the built in compositing one)
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> not so simple if you boot in to debian
[19:25] <stoned> jeez I almsot lost my patience there :)
[19:25] <jwheaton> stoned:  it's the giddiness of release day
[19:25] <jwheaton> ;)
[19:26] <stoned> I hope this ubuntu version doesn't piss me off
[19:26] <stoned> not a single ubuntu has ever worked for me
[19:26] <jussi01> !ohmy | stoned
[19:26] <simi> hi , i installed amarok2 in kubuntu 8.10 and i have no sound in it, i searched for a fix i found this topic but i am not sure what to do, i do not want to break anything
[19:26] <stoned> I hope this ubuntu version doesn't give me human waste matter in liquid form
[19:27] <stoned> not a single ubuntu has ever worked for me
[19:27] <stoned> I try to boot a live cd or install it or whatever, my monitor goes into (no input signal)
[19:27] <jussi01> simi: do you have more than one sound device?
[19:27] <jt66> stoned i cant remember when any ubuntu flavor failed for me, interesting
[19:27] <stoned> if I boot windows or debian or DSL or knoppix I get my desktop
[19:28] <stoned> I have a HANNSG 22" LCD
[19:28] <stoned> and also in debian it doesn't work if i use fglrx
[19:28] <jussi01> simi: if so, then go to system settings - sounds and make sure the correct device has prority
[19:28] <stoned> and ubuntu it has never worked
[19:28] <stoned> ever
[19:28] <Simulacra7> another one who needs help here, running Kubuntu and did the version upgrade...box boots fine, gets to login screen, when logged in the background changes to the new swirly BG and the cursor changes...then freeze, nothing loads...any ideas?
[19:28] <stoned> I have to use a diff monitor to use ubuntu
[19:28] <jt66> stoned remove  quiet and splash options from boot line and see if the monitor works ok
[19:28] <stoned> its weird
[19:28] <stoned> I usually always do
[19:29] <stoned> I don't like bootsplashes
[19:29] <Bauldrick> so do i need this python script to create a pid so as I can kill again with init.d script???
[19:29] <stoned> I can however use the hd-media installer or netboot installer and install ubuntu that way
[19:29] <stoned> but as soon as I startx, monitor goes black and nothing works
[19:29] <stoned> whole system lockdown
[19:29] <simi> jussi01:  i have sound in vlc and other apps, in amarok i do not have sound(kde starting sound works too)
[19:29] <LeeJunFan> also remove framebuffer by setting vga=normal if you get no video signal.
[19:30] <stoned> uhm
[19:30] <stoned> read what I just said
[19:30] <LeeJunFan> Ah, so after X.
[19:30] <stoned> yessir
[19:30] <stoned> its fine up until it tries to load X
[19:30] <stoned> no matter which ubuntu version or flavor
[19:30] <LeeJunFan> I imagine if you set the vesa driver you'd be okay, but you'd miss out on accelerated gfx.
[19:31] <stoned> it just won't work with this HG216D HANNSG 22" HD LCD
[19:31] <jussi01> stoned: please provide some info about your system, ie: graphics card?
[19:31] <stoned> first of all vesa won't work, because none of the resolutions that vesa does my monitor cannot display
[19:31] <stoned> x1900xt ati
[19:31] <stoned> surprised me too
[19:32] <stoned> fglrx just doesn't work it crashes often if i can even get into X
[19:32] <stoned> radeonhd/readon driver sometimes occasionally works ok, but that is rare if i can get into X
[19:32] <stoned> same problem, no input signal on monitor and nothing else
[19:32] <jussi01> stoned: have you filed a bug?
[19:32] <stoned> if I do ctrl alt backspace, I go back to console
[19:32] <stoned> and monitor comes back
[19:32] <jussi01> stoned: if not, please do andwe  can take it from there.
[19:33] <stoned> ok
[19:33] <stoned> how do I file a bug without `reportbug`
[19:33] <dan_> ardchoille: an update from yesterday (screen freezing after logging in). I have downloaded again and tested on a machine at work. Got home and done a fresh install, same problem exists
[19:33] <stoned> (I can't get into ubuntu right now)
[19:33] <jussi01> !bug | stoned
[19:33] <stoned> ok
[19:33] <stoned> well anyway I'm just saying all this withouth aving tried new one
[19:33] <stoned> so let me try i just burned the 8.10 cd
[19:34] <stoned> if this doesn't work I'll file a bug
[19:34] <pucko-> do everyone have this flickering in the kde4 menus? (or are there just some graphic cards?)
[19:34] <jussi01> !enter | stoned
[19:34] <LeeJunFan> stoned: could be something to do with ubuntu not really using X config much any more, by default it's pretty empty and just uses the VESA modes that the monitor tells X it can handle.
[19:34] <ubuntu-dron> good evening
[19:34] <jwheaton> I had a heck of a time with my HP laptop's ancient ATI card.  8.10 is the first liveCD to boot nicely.
[19:34] <jt66> pucko-, no flicker here nvidia 5200 and other nvidia
[19:35] <stoned> let us hope that I can the same good fortune and luck as jwheaton
[19:35] <pucko-> jt66, flicker here too, but with intel card :-/
[19:35] <ubuntu-dron> does anyone know how to solve the flickering panel while running OpenOffice problem?
[19:36] <jt66> pucko-, i havent loaded 8.10 on an intel graphics card yet
[19:36] <jt66> only on nivida and works fine there
[19:37] <LeeJunFan> I had a flickering problem (full screen) with nvidia which stopped when I used nvidia official drivers, as for the kde menu flickering I don't use the kde menu - lancelot is way better IMHO.
[19:37] <jt66> LeeJunFan, lancelot replaces what exactly
[19:38] <LeeJunFan> kmenu
[19:38] <LeeJunFan> in kde4
[19:38] <LeeJunFan> it's a plasmoid. plasmoid-lancelot
[19:38] <jt66> LeeJunFan, so only the menu to the extreme left on the task bar?
[19:38] <LeeJunFan> yeah, is your flickering with all menus? in windows?
[19:39] <jt66> LeeJunFan, i dont have flickering pucko- did
[19:40] <jt66> LeeJunFan, what exactly is a plasmoid i see the word floating around
[19:40] <LeeJunFan> basically a module for plasma in kde4. when you right click on your desktop or panel you can add/remove plasmoids there.
[19:40] <LeeJunFan> The desktop view panel (folder view) on your desktop by default is an example of a plasmoid.
[19:41] <LeeJunFan> As is the menu button on the panel. lancelot is a replacement for the default kde menu plasmoid.
[19:41] <stoned> I don't like nvidia anymore
[19:41] <stoned> I prefer ATI now as I mainly use the radeonhd driver on debian
[19:41] <stoned> I don't require 3d
[19:41] <jwheaton> heh... I can't stand ATI
[19:41] <jwheaton> ;)
[19:41] <simi> jussi01: about no sound in amarok2  installing  "xine-ui" fix the problem but i do not know how and why
[19:41] <stoned> ATI is amazingly good HW
[19:41] <jt66> LeeJunFan, is there a Desktop plasmoid per desktop
[19:42] <stoned> very powerful devices.  The only gripe is with the binary drivers
[19:42] <jwheaton> Seems to be the shui of a certain system... ATI is better in some than others.
[19:42] <jwheaton> All of my nvidia cards have done everything I have asked them to do.
[19:42] <LeeJunFan> jt66: not sure what you mean
[19:42] <stoned> however, the open specs are helpful, I've built radeonhd from git as well as xorg and mesa and I've gotten 3d to work on the free driver
[19:42] <stoned> jwheaton, but they are not free...
[19:42] <jwheaton> That being said, my biggest issue was with that ancient HP laptop.  Just try and find drivers for old ATI mobile cards... ha ... ha ........ ha.
[19:42] <stoned> nvidia is closed.
[19:43] <jwheaton> stoned:  yeah.  nvidia needs to smarten up.
[19:43] <stoned> indeed they do
[19:43] <jt66> LeeJunFan, is the Desktop plasmoid on Desktop 1 the same Desktop Plasmoid as exists on Desktop 2
[19:43] <stoned> I wish intel would make gfx card
[19:43] <stoned> they would ROCK at it
[19:43] <jwheaton> ack!
[19:43] <stoned> and have completely free/open drivers
[19:44] <stoned> and be on the mobo
[19:44] <jwheaton> I like my computers like I like my stereo equipment:  components.
[19:44] <LeeJunFan> jt66: yeah, I don't think you can have separate ones per viewport, would be cool. Maybe a later version of kde4 will address that.
[19:44] <stoned> jwheaton, yeh well
[19:44] <bdizzle> hi, need some help with one of my partitions
[19:45] <stoned> just one of them?
[19:45] <bdizzle> ...yes
[19:45] <stoned> I'm sorry I usually only help with 2 partitions.
[19:45] <LeeJunFan> KDE4 is still largely unfinished, the core operations are mostly there, but a lot of the configurability has yet to be done.
[19:45] <bdizzle> it will let me read the data on them, but won't let me write to it at all
[19:45] <stoned> bdizzle, what are your mount options ?
[19:46] <stoned> bdizzle, it seems like a permission issue, either you have no perms on the partition, or you have no perms on the mount point
[19:46] <pucko-> how do I edit the kde4 menu items?
[19:46] <jt66> LeeJunFan, i like kde but find the docs horrible is there a good doc on 4.x
[19:46] <LeeJunFan> pucko-: right click the start button, menu editor is in there.
[19:46] <bdizzle> I think its the permissions, but it wouldn't let me modify them, even as root
[19:46] <stoned> even as root?
[19:46] <stoned> which file system is it?
[19:46] <pucko-> LeeJunFan: oh, thank you.
[19:46] <bdizzle> yeah
[19:46] <LeeJunFan> jt66: not really.
[19:47] <bdizzle> i think vfs for some reason
[19:47] <stoned> uhh
[19:47] <stoned> bdizzle, file -s /dev/putinyourpartitionhere
[19:47] <ArShAm> hi all
[19:47] <jt66> LeeJunFan, i havent kept up w 4.x and i am lost in the blizzard
[19:47] <bdizzle> I wish I could just wipe it and have it as my /home instead, would be useful for when I do eventually upgrade to Ibex
[19:47] <stoned> bdizzle, that will tell you what kinda file system you have
[19:47] <ArShAm> is there any strigi applets for kde?
[19:47] <bdizzle> it claims: /dev/sda1: writable, no read permission
[19:48] <stoned> uh
[19:48] <LeeJunFan> jt66: well, thing to remember with KDE4 if you're looking for an option and you can't find a way to configure it - it's probably because there isn't a way :( yet.
[19:48] <bdizzle> its claiming that for all of them for some reason
[19:48] <jt66> LeeJunFan, thanks for that tip
[19:49] <LeeJunFan> jt66: personally I'd say that when kde4.2 releases in January that's what should have been 4.0.
[19:49] <stoned> try as root
[19:49] <bdizzle> it says:    /dev/sda1: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x58, OEM-ID "MSDOS5.0", sectors/cluster 16, reserved sectors 34, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, hidden sectors 2048, sectors 20480000 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 9991, reserved3 0x800000, serial number 0xa20a9608, unlabeled
[19:50] <jt66> LeeJunFan, kde does so much it is a wonder the developers can keep up with any of it
[19:50]  * jt66 is away: I'm busy
[19:50] <ArShAm> which desktop searching is recommended ? ( strigi, tracker, beagle )
[19:52] <_CrashMaster_> Is there a process to make Kubuntu 8.10 drop back to KDE3?
[19:52] <impulze> lol?
[19:52] <bdizzle> not that i know of
[19:52] <m4v> _CrashMaster_: install hardy
[19:52] <jussi01> !kde3 | _CrashMaster_
[19:53] <_CrashMaster_> *sigh* Suppose I'll have to
[19:58] <punz> So is there a way to use the default kde window manager (not compositing kwin) within compiz? or do I have to install emerald and use an oxygen theme for ti?
[19:58] <punz> kde4*
[20:03] <TerminalVelocity> anybody attempted to install the recently release 8.10 version of kubunt?
[20:03] <bdizzle> stoned: so how do i gain permission then?
[20:03] <bdizzle> not yet TerminalVelocity, i'm waiting for the bugs to be worked ouy
[20:04] <TerminalVelocity> bdizzle: yeah, i should have waited
[20:04] <TerminalVelocity> bdizzle: i just opened a bug : Bug 291691
[20:04] <bdizzle> ouch, what was it?
[20:05] <TerminalVelocity> bdizzle: which causes my monitor to flash when i use either the keyboard or mouse...just moving the mouse causes my screen to go blank and then reapear sec later
[20:06] <TerminalVelocity> bdizzle: i'll likely be reverting back to 8.04 until i see better stability from 8.10
[20:06] <bdizzle> yeah
[20:08] <dan_> installed kubuntu 8.10 on my pc that has been running 8.4 since it was released, on a different hdd though. after I login, I see the kde splash screen and the image of the hdd comes into view but then it just hangs, I can move the cursor and ssh into the box but cannot login via gui, any suggestions
[20:09] <TerminalVelocity> dan_: if you can hold off moving forward on 8.10, I'd suggest that you revert back to 8.04.  I'm seeing a number of bugs related to 8.10.  I just opened one myself Bug 291691
[20:10] <dan_> so try again in a week or so?
[20:10] <Simulacra7> TerminalVelocity: how to revert back to previous version?
[20:10] <TerminalVelocity> dan_: I'd say give it a couple of weeks.  My issue: I'm able to login just fine, however, when i use either the keyboard or mouse...just moving the mouse causes my screen to go blank and then reapear sec later
[20:11] <TerminalVelocity> Simulacra7: I'
[20:11] <dan_> TerminalVelocity: well thankfully I installed to a complete different hdd so just need to swap the IDE cable over
[20:12] <dennister> hey channel, looking for news on how the servers and mirrors are faring with the release of intrepid?
[20:12] <TerminalVelocity> Simulacra7: sorry about that, fat fingers :-). I'm just going to do a fresh install using the 8.04 iso image.  I've backed everything up prior to trying to migrate to 8.10
[20:12] <TerminalVelocity> dan_: nice!!
[20:13] <dennister> has anyone in here actually done the fresh install or version upgrade process yet?
[20:13] <TerminalVelocity> dennister: you mean from 8.04 to 8.10?
[20:13] <dennister> TerminalVelocity: yep
[20:13] <Simulacra7> <---did a version upgrade and didn't have much luck with it
[20:14] <Simulacra7> hangs on login
[20:14] <TerminalVelocity> dennister: I've tried both, and attempting a version upgrade caused some issues.
[20:14] <dennister> ok, bad version upgrade again...just like from gutysy to hardy
[20:16] <dennister> what about the mirrors? i just tried to do a mini.iso install last night...with 8.04.1, not intrepid, and all sorts of mirrors were failing
[20:18] <dragonrider8> hello
[20:19]  * Danu is back.
[20:20] <TerminalVelocity> dennister: i'm right in the middle of downloading the 8.04.1 iso image...and, for the moment, all looks good
[20:21] <dragonrider8> i have a problem, i have just install kubuntu 8.10, but when i reboot, the grub menu does not appear and my computer start windows has before
[20:21] <TerminalVelocity> dennister: i'm using the following mirror "United States - Argonne National Laboratory"
[20:23] <dennister> yeah, i've downloaded it, used it many times, but am having lots of problems...don't think it's the cd, think it's the drive...although I've cleaned it again and it worked before
[20:23] <dennister> for the mini.iso disk, which has worked in the past, it's the mirrors that keep flaking out on me
[20:24] <sorush20> I can't check my hdd for errors can some one help.. I keep getting message that can't find the block and i have to use e2fsck -b blocknumber /device
[20:24] <sorush20> but when I do that I keep getting the message that the device is in use]
[20:24] <dennister> tried usa first (only one choice in the us for mini.iso), mexico, and canada
[20:24] <sorush20> mount -l dosen't show it
[20:24] <christian86> Hey need help with ktorrent in intrepid
[20:24] <sorush20> when I try to boot I get into grub shell
[20:25] <sorush20> please help
[20:26] <dennister> sorush20: first, you shouldn't have the partition mounted when you use e2fsck
[20:26] <dragonrider8> for me it's worse, i can't boot on kubuntu ...
[20:26] <dragonrider8> grub or lilo is not working
[20:27] <dennister> sorush20: which partition do you want to check? root?
[20:27] <vito_> salve
[20:30] <sorush20> dennister: yes its not mounted and yes root and my home partition
[20:32] <dennister> sorush20: ok, i forget exactly what the -b option is for, bu from my reading the other day, it's a good idea to run "e2fsck -c /dev/sda#" or you may want to check "e2fsck --help" first
[20:33] <dennister> ok -b is for superblock...
[20:34] <Mabo> hi
[20:35] <dennister> lowercase -c option is to look for badblocks, "and to  prevent them from being allocated to a file  or  directory"
[20:35] <christian86> anyone's knows about ktorrent's strange actions and intrepid
[20:36] <dennister> sorush20: that's a direct quote from the e2fsck man page
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> christian86: strange actions?
[20:37] <panos4ever> hello guys!
[20:38] <christian86> yes with torrent dl's
[20:38] <christian86> when i start torrent and rename file it says "no file or directory"
[20:38] <sorush20> sudo e2fsck -cb 8193 /dev/sda e2fsck 1.40.8 (13-Mar-2008) e2fsck: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program?
[20:39] <sorush20> this what I get
[20:39] <christian86> now i can just start silent download and when i wanna move file and "import torrent" same error
[20:40] <sorush20> any ideas guys?
[20:40] <panos4ever> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPfaYtLLZ4o
[20:40] <christian86> then i deleted file and startet silent dl again now on every start, it tells me error of multiple tracker and dl's, so it merges them and then ktorrent dl's, but i get this error now on every start so very nervious
[20:42] <panos4ever> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1haYY5pV18
[20:42] <TerminalVelocity> sorush20: there is a utility called "fuser" -- i found on linux.com web site article.
[20:42] <TerminalVelocity> sorush20: from the article " Have you ever tried to unmount your USB thumb drive only to get the message "device is busy"? Like me, you probably thought, "I know I closed that file manager window. What's keeping it busy now?"
[20:43] <TerminalVelocity> sorush20: link to article http://www.linux.com/feature/121049
[20:47] <christian86> JontheEchidna: when i start torrent and rename file it says "no file or directory", now i can just start silent download and when i wanna move file and "import torrent" same error;then i deleted file and startet silent dl again now on every start, it tells me error of multiple tracker and dl's, so it merges them and then ktorrent dl's, but i get this error now on every start so very nervious
[20:50] <Seattle_Mike> trying to install gnome with apt-get install ubuntu desktop.  It fails and breaks apt-get with gconf2 g_dgettext error
[20:51] <Seattle_Mike> Does any know how to fix or just I just reinstall Kubuntu?
[20:52] <Seattle_Mike> adept fails and so does dpkg --force fails.
[20:55] <martino2k8> hello, i'm having a weird locale issue after upgrading from 8.04 x64 to 8.10, which is that most of the stuff is in japanese, some in english, and much less in slovak (all lingos that i had installed keyboard support for, altho i used en for system locale before)
[20:57] <sorush20> TerminalVelocity: thats for being in a helpful mood .. I'm having problems applying that artical to my problem.
[20:57] <martino2k8> i just checked my etc/environment and that seems to be set to en_GB, if it is related to my issue in any way
[20:57] <sorush20> the device I have is not mounted at all
[21:01] <Seattle_Mike> bye
[21:01] <Seattle_Mike> quit
[21:01] <Seattle_Mike> #quuit
[21:01] <Seattle_Mike> #quit
[21:01] <Seattle_Mike> #bye
[21:03] <christian86> anyones into ktorrent and intrepid? it actsa bit crazy :(
[21:03] <vinizius> is anyone having problems with nvidia and jockey?
[21:06] <PovAddict> damn... kmail just crashed
[21:07] <PovAddict> I thought about installing kdepim-dbg so if it crashes again, I get a useful stack trace
[21:07] <PovAddict> http://pastebin.com/d44b410c0
[21:07] <kai__> tag
[21:18] <jmichaelx> does anyone know how to get video previews in the thumbnails of dolphin in intrepid?
[21:19] <amews_aj> I just installed KDE desktop on ubuntu, but now the compiz settings does not have effect anymore. Fx Expo (super+e) doesn't do anything. What to do ?
[21:20] <christian86> anyone knows how to (re)name downloads in ktorrent without "no such file or directory" warning
[21:20] <enzo_> How do we upgrade to 8.10?
[21:20] <kai__> tag
[21:20] <enzo_> I was trying adept manager to no avail
[21:21] <PovAddict> enzo_: that's disabled by default
[21:21] <PovAddict> enzo_: because if you upgrade to 8.10, you instantly lose KDE3
[21:21] <enzo_> Oh
[21:21] <enzo_> PovAddict: How do I upgrade?
[21:22] <amews_aj> Do I have to do something to activate compiz advanced effects?
[21:22] <PovAddict> amews_aj: KDE4 has its own composite desktop manager
[21:22] <PovAddict> I don't know if compiz works with KDE4 at all (but probably does)
[21:22] <amews_aj> PovAddict: Can't I make it use the compiz manager?
[21:23] <amik> I just upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10 (in a VirtualBox) and after restart I only get a console screen... can anyone help?
[21:23] <PovAddict> amik: make sure kubuntu-desktop package is installed
[21:25] <Jabapyth> how do I set the desktop to open things on dbl-click as opposed to single?
[21:25] <amik> PovAddict: "kubuntu-desktop is already the newest version." (apt-get output)
[21:26] <PovAddict> try startx
[21:27] <amik> "Fatal server error: no screens found"
[21:28] <PovAddict> amik: that's about when I would come here to ask if it was happening to me :P
[21:29] <jb_> hello how to have the flash plug in in konqueror in 8.10?
[21:29] <coubeatczech> hello, do anyone know how to restore kde4 defaults using shell? I've enabled visual effects and my screen is just black
[21:29] <jb_> i installed kubuntu-restricted-extra already
[21:29] <jb_> but flash is not working
[21:29] <jb_> and when i installed firefox i got a lot of undesired gnome applicationt
[21:30] <amik> PovAddict: I also compared xorg.conf to that of a brand new installtion (also in VirtualBox, from which I'm writing), and they look identical. Any other ideas?
[21:30] <avihayb> !strigi
[21:30] <amik> or anyone else who can help?
[21:30] <jb_> how to get the flash plugin with konqueror in 8.10?
[21:31] <PovAddict> my Flash works on 8.04
[21:31] <PovAddict> you can have it :P
[21:31]  * PovAddict would uninstall Flash, if it wasn't because my mom uses this computer too
[21:31] <jb_> PovAddict: do you know how to have it working with 8.10?
[21:32] <PovAddict> I've never installed 8.10
[21:32] <PovAddict> and it wasn't easy to get working on 8.04 either, btw
[21:32] <jb_> and why does many non wanted gnome apps are installed when i install firefox?
[21:32] <PovAddict> jb_: no gnome *apps* are installed... although of course when you install Firefox, you get dozens of gnome *libraries*
[21:32] <PovAddict> becauseFirefox uses GTK
[21:33] <opensorce> anyone use the Now Playing widget?
[21:33] <jb_> PovAddict: when i installed firefox; the Add/Remove Apps from Gnome appeaared in my menu!!!!
[21:33] <PovAddict> wtf synaptic?
[21:33] <PovAddict> or is that the KDE one... erm
[21:34] <SlimeyPete> PovAddict: adept is the kde one
[21:34] <jb_> who is running 8.10?
[21:34] <PovAddict> ah yes
[21:34]  * PovAddict always uses aptitude
[21:34]  * opensorce is
[21:34] <SlimeyPete> jb_: I'm running ubuntu 8.10, but still on kubuntu 8.04
[21:35] <enzo_> !upgrade
[21:35] <jb_> how to get flash working with k 8.10?
[21:35] <jb_> or how to get firefox installed without all the gnome undesired applications?
[21:35] <OpenSorce> jb_, apt-get install alsa-oss
[21:36] <OpenSorce> seriously
[21:36] <jb_> alsa-oss is for sound!
[21:36] <OpenSorce> I had no sound in flash till I did that
[21:36] <jb_> the sound is not the pb
[21:36] <jb_> when i go in a youtube style video
[21:36] <PovAddict> OpenSorce: jb_ didn't say anything about sound, so I assume nothing of Flash is working for him
[21:36] <Pliskin> jb_ : there is nohinf
[21:36] <amik> can anyone here provide help? or is everyone just seeking it? :-P
[21:36] <coreymon77> jb_: you wont notice any of the gnome "undersired" stuff
[21:36] <Pliskin> there is nothing to do*
[21:36] <jb_> there is an emtpy square
[21:36] <PovAddict> amik: if you think this is bad take a look at #ubuntu
[21:37] <amik> hehe
[21:37] <jb_> so you recommend using firefox?
[21:37] <Pliskin> oh I know, you can deactivate the installation of the recommended packages ? maybe it is the problem ?
[21:37] <amik> well, I guess Linux is not yet ready for the desktop. Maybe in 9.10...
[21:37] <jb_> also, when i installed qtparted, the program would not launch
[21:37] <amews_aj> Will a theme like this work on kde as well as gnome ? : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/DustTheme
[21:37] <OpenSorce> amik, it is ready for the desktop, just not ready for people who need to be spoonfed
[21:38] <jb_> this version is however MUCH better than k 8.04
[21:38] <Pliskin> jb_ : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidReleaseNotes#Recommended packages installed by default
[21:38] <PovAddict> amews_aj: it's a GTK theme, so no
[21:39] <PovAddict> unless the Qt-Gtk theme "bridge" is *really* good
[21:39] <amews_aj> PovAddict: What is the problem by that, explain what GTK has specificly to do with gnome ?
[21:39] <OpenSorce> PovAddict, it isn't :-)
[21:39] <amik> spoonfed? editing xorg.conf manually is quite a bit after that. seeing that it doesn't seem to be the problem and trying to troublshoot further is a very long bit after that...
[21:39] <PovAddict> amews_aj: gnome is made using GTK, KDE is made using Qt
[21:39] <amews_aj> oh
[21:39] <amews_aj> PovAddict: Is it just me or is gnome faster than kde (though kde looks nicer I think)
[21:40] <PovAddict> I can't tell...
[21:40] <PovAddict> last time I used gnome it was on a much slower computer :)
[21:40] <OpenSorce> amews_aj, yes it is faster.....kde 1.x is faster than 4.x for the same reasons
[21:40] <exobuzz> i find gtk slower than qt generally
[21:40] <stoned> hi
[21:41] <stoned> I am inside the kubuntu
[21:41] <stoned> how can i install the ati x1900xt drivers?
[21:41] <stoned> I tried to click on hardware device manager thingy, and click enable on the ati thingy, and it just freezes
[21:42] <stoned> hardware driver > ati/amd prop. fglrx driver is not actived.  I click activate and nothing ever happens and 10 mins go by
[21:42] <PovAddict> "activating" it involves downloading it
[21:42] <jmichaelx> does anyone know how to get video previews in the thumbnails of dolphin in intrepid?
[21:42] <stoned> right now I have a very small resolution and I want 1680x1050 what my monitor does natively
[21:42] <PovAddict> and the servers are probably still overloaded because of the new release
[21:42] <amews_aj> After installing kde on ubuntu, when using gnome the switch user bar crashes, ideas?
[21:43] <jin> hi, why are there so few window decorations for KDE 4?
[21:43] <jb_> arf
[21:43] <jb_> div x is not well supported yet
[21:43] <jb_> the image is blinking
[21:45] <amik> oh well. good luck to everyone :-)
[21:48] <Holmss> I have problem with firefox tabs in kde4 kubuntu8.10 http://bildites.lv/images/fh4i6bpr34hr4bk8ht80.jpg
[21:49] <ahmedb> Hey guys, can I ask what is pulseaudio .. and what it has to do in intrepid?
[21:50] <SlimeyPete> it's the audio server
[21:50] <SlimeyPete> it deals with changing sample rate, mixing channels etc.
[21:50] <SlimeyPete> it sits between the application and the sound system
[21:51] <ahmedb> is it necessary for sound to run?
[21:52] <SlimeyPete> ahmedb: I'm not entirely sure, but I think so, yes
[21:52] <SlimeyPete> at least, it's necessary for recent KDE applications to use sound
[21:52] <Ch1ppy> Hey, just upgraded to 8.10 and I can't access any of my other tty's - ctrl+alt+FX doesn't work like it did before the upgrade, I just get a blank screen... can anyone help me out?
[21:52] <ahmedb> @Holmss: which theme?
[21:52] <Holmss> default
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> Holmss: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7574
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> that will help
[21:53] <ahmedb> second JontheEchidna
[21:53] <ahmedb> I have a weird issue after upgrading to Intrepid
[21:54] <ahmedb> my amarok-kde4 does not play sound - although sound and alsa are active
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> strange, do other kde4 apps play sound?
[21:54] <ahmedb> I checked the system settings - sound .. there used to be an HDA Intel but now it disappeared .. when I click show advanced devices it shows Pulseaudio with an icon with a question mark
[21:54] <mopped> My headset is #1 on cat /proc/asound/devices, and I need it to be #0, so its the default sound output - how do i do this
[21:55] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: yes all applications I believe can play sound
[21:55] <ahmedb> I even here the startup sound :D
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> ahmedb: yeah, the pulseaudio thing doesn't really mean anything, just ignore it
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[21:55] <crimsun> mopped: set the slots parameter.
[21:55] <crimsun> mopped: pastebin the output from `cat /proc/asound/cards', please
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> ahmedb: what version is amarok-kde4 at? (apt-cache policy amarok-kde4)
[21:55] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: I do not have pulseaudio installed (never had it on hardy anyway) .. but where my HDA intel disappeared? :D
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[21:56] <mopped> http://pastie.org/305247 crimsun
[21:56] <ahmedb> Version table: 1.92.2-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> ok, that's good
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> unfortunately I don't know how to fix it :(
[21:57] <ahmedb> alsamixer correctly shows HDA Intel
[21:57] <hernan_> Is there any repo for KDE4 SVN in Kubuntu as there is for OpenSUSE?
[21:57] <Holmss> JontheEchidna Thank You a lot
[21:58] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: I'll try reinstalling amarok .. but I am not sure if disappearance of HDA intel from system settings has anything to do with Phonon not finding sound
[21:58] <ahmedb> and this is what I suspect
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> Holmss: you're welcome
[21:59] <mopped> How do I specify the slot sparameter crimsun? :P
[22:00] <Pliskin> hernan_ : there is a KDE "nightly builds" repo
[22:00] <hernan_> Pliskin, Which one is it? I've been looking but I didn't find it :)
[22:01] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: how do I reinstall alsa?
[22:01] <alesan> hey it has probably been asked 100000 times, but can I upgrade online to 8.10 or what.
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> ahmedb: uhhh... dunno
[22:01] <Pliskin> it's a repo made by apachelogger I believe (or another kubuntu guy) (thanks to him)
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> alesan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[22:02] <ahmedb> thanks Jon
[22:02] <alesan> JontheEchidna: yea I have found that in the meanwhile. Thanks
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[22:02] <hernan_> Pliskin, The Project Neon thing?
[22:02] <Pliskin> yes, exactly
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> project neon has been busted for a while, the last build is probably really old
[22:03] <alesan> JontheEchidna: do you think KDE4 is now slightly more configurable than before? In particular, I want windows95-like menus
[22:03] <Pliskin> oh, sorry then :)
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> alesan: you can change to a win95-ish style from right clicking on the menu button
[22:03] <hernan_> Pliskin, JontheEchidna, Alright, thanks people.
[22:03] <alesan> JontheEchidna: ok that is new, KDE4.0 didn't have that
[22:03] <hernan_> Pliskin, JontheEchidna, Rather build it from SVN then.
[22:04] <phx591> hi, I'm running Kubuntu 8.10 with an acer laptop (graca: Geforce 8600M GT) and an external tft. I installed the nvidia driver and set up my external tft within "NVIDIA X Server Settings", press "Apply", but after restarting changes are lost -.- You have any ideas?
[22:04] <totoro7> where can I post my opinions to improve kubuntu's usability?
[22:05] <vlt> Hello. Would you reccommend the kubuntu amd64 version for desktop use? What disadvantages do I have to expect?
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> totoro7: brainstorm.ubuntu.com maybe?
[22:07] <totoro7> JontheEchidna: should do! thanks :-)
[22:07] <jmichaelx> does anyone know how to get video previews in the thumbnails of dolphin in intrepid?
[22:07] <isleshocky77> Anyone have any direction for getting the sticky notes plasmoid for kde 4.1?
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> isleshocky77: it should be installed by default in Intrepid
[22:08] <JohnFlux2> Hey all
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> jmichaelx: currently kde4 doesn't have a thumbnailer for video
[22:08] <isleshocky77> JontheEchidna: I'm still running 8.04
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> isleshocky77: using the kde4 ppa?
[22:08] <vlt> How can I find out what packages are only available for 32bit ubuntu?
[22:09] <isleshocky77> JontheEchidna: yes.
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> isleshocky77: sudo apt-get install kdeplasma-addons ; kbuildsycoca4
[22:09] <jmichaelx> JontheEchidna: ok, ty... i had been looking all around for what i was missing
[22:10] <JohnFlux2> i booted off of the kubuntu 8.10 CD and got half way through the install when it told me that there were read errors :(
[22:10]  * jmichaelx wonders whether compiz and apps using openGL will ever learn to get along
[22:11] <JohnFlux2> oh well.  anyway, I'm wondering whether I can manually coax it along somehow
[22:11] <JohnFlux2> If I download the iso again and mount it then try to install from that somehow
[22:11] <SinII> This may have been asked before, but ... I upgraded from hardy running kde4 to intrepid and I'M missing some of my icons (i.e. the K-Menu button). Re-applying the Oxygen theme in System Settings did not help. Any suggestions?
[22:11] <jmichaelx> JohnFlux2: it sounds like your install medium is bad. you may need to burn a new CD, or re-download
[22:12] <isleshocky77> JontheEchidna: Awesome. Thanks.
[22:12] <totoro7> firefox's GUI looks messy on Kubuntu 8.10, did I install it properly? (used "apt-get install firefox")
[22:12] <JohnFlux2> jmichaelx: i would, but it's just hosed my current ubuntu installation...
[22:12] <amews_aj> When will OOo 3 be on the main servers ?
[22:12] <JohnFlux2> jmichaelx: since I was installing over the top of my current ubuntu install heh
[22:13] <jmichaelx> JohnFlux2: ahh. was your /home on a separate partition?
[22:13] <DarkSmoke> totoro7: you must install something to see GTK apps as QT apps
[22:13] <DarkSmoke> its called , gk-engines-qt i think :/
[22:13] <DarkSmoke> i forgot
[22:13] <Ch1ppy> Hi, I just upgraded to 8.10 and now none of my configuration changes seem to be saving... if I setup my second panel, for instance, all the applets on it will be gone the next time I log in... can anyone help me out?
[22:13] <jmichaelx> gtk-qt-engine
[22:14] <JohnFlux2> jmichaelx: no - but I chose no format..
[22:14] <totoro7> all: installing it now...
[22:14] <JohnFlux2> jmichaelx: anyway there's nothing important in /home :)
[22:14] <totoro7> hmmm... "gtk-qt-engine is already the newest version."
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> totoro7: try this theme: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7574
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> it will help with the messy-looking tabs
[22:15] <totoro7> JontheEchidna: thanks, I'll try that... but is the messy looking, erm, normal?
[22:15] <JohnFlux2> jmichaelx: ah okay, I can chroot into the half-installed system
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> totoro7: there's a bug with the gtk theming engine
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> several, actually, but the author's not really been active since hardy was released
[22:17] <totoro7> oh, that's kinda bad :(
[22:17] <totoro7> is firefox better supported in other kde centred distros?
[22:18] <DarkSmoke> if there is a bug in the gtk engine , probably it will be fixed soon
[22:18] <totoro7> (btw theme worked reasonably, thanks again)
[22:18] <jmichaelx> hmm, the gtk-qt settings do not even show up in system settings on this machine, although gtk-qt-engine is installed. it does show up in the settings on my desktop, though
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> DarkSmoke: gtk-qt-engine, not gtk itself
[22:18] <DarkSmoke> hey guys
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> gtk-qt-engine's dev is somewhat missing
[22:19] <DarkSmoke> my pc is turning off
[22:19] <jmichaelx> kidnapped?
[22:19] <DarkSmoke> i think its a problem with the power on button
[22:19] <DarkSmoke> it does it even on windowze
[22:19] <amews_aj> When will ooo 3 be available from the main servers on ubuntu ?
[22:19] <DarkSmoke> is there something in kubuntu to make the poweron button unfunctional?
[22:19] <favro> it might be temp related DarkSmoke
[22:19] <m_tadeu> hi everyone
[22:20] <DarkSmoke> its not its not
[22:20] <DarkSmoke> cause the turn off dialog shows up before turning off
[22:20] <DarkSmoke> you know, the dialog when you go to Kmenu and then press the logout
[22:20] <totoro7> is there a default "show desktop" shortcut in kubuntu?
[22:20] <DarkSmoke> a dialog shows up with options ( shutdown, logout, suspend) etc etc
[22:20] <m_tadeu> is intrepid(plasma in particular) ready for dual screen?
[22:20] <DarkSmoke> so
[22:20] <DarkSmoke> im working on my pc
[22:20] <DarkSmoke> that dialog shows up
[22:20] <DarkSmoke> and pc turns off
[22:21] <DarkSmoke> so it must be the power button :)
[22:21] <totoro7> DarkSmoke: try looking for anything strange in windows' "event viewer"
[22:21] <totoro7> might have something interesting there
[22:21] <DarkSmoke> window's event viewer
[22:21] <DarkSmoke> where's that?
[22:21] <totoro7> start/run type "eventvwr.msc"
[22:22] <DarkSmoke> on win or on lin?
[22:22] <totoro7> or go to control panel/administrative whatchamacallit/event viewer
[22:22] <totoro7> in Windows
[22:23] <Koordin> hi
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> totoro7: right now you have to add the shortcut by hand
[22:23] <Koordin> please could someone help me with this ?
[22:23] <Koordin> http://pastebin.com/d2d0d4a8c
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> totoro7: add the show desktop applet, kquitapp plasma, kate ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> from kate
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> search for plugin=showdesktop or something similar
[22:24] <DarkSmoke> anyway
[22:24] <DarkSmoke> how can i make the power on button unfunctional ?
[22:25] <totoro7> JontheEchidna: ok so far
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> Then add something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/65415/ replacing the # with the number found in the header for the plugin=showdesktop section
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> and yourkeycombohere with something like alt+d
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> then you can start plasma from alt-f2
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> totoro7: http://forum.kde.org/showthread.php?tid=6332&pid=7255#pid7255 <- for reference
[22:29] <jin> what is the shortcut key ot show the dashboard?
[22:29] <takoski> anyone can help me?
[22:30] <totoro7> JontheEchidna: hmmm.. my ctrl+alt+d shortcut didn't work, but I'll look into it, thanks
[22:30] <blip-> hi, i downloaded kubuntu 8.10 iso... but when i burned it at 8x on a reliable CDR it failed the verification step.... burned again with another CDR using 24x... also failed the step.   Is anything wrong with the ISO itself ?
[22:30] <DarkSmoke> blip-: use speed x5
[22:30] <DarkSmoke> *x4
[22:31] <blip-> DarkSmoke: i don't have 4x... i'm only seeing 8x and 24x in K3B
[22:31] <takoski> i have a problem when i start radio of screenlets i cant do a call with skype if i turn off the radio call can run
[22:31] <blip-> MD5sum of the iso is :         82c02dc7386dfb6858a9ec09a5059e1e
[22:31] <totoro7> seems rather simple for a developer to include into the distro though, wonder why it hasn't been done... most user friendly desktop environments have a show desktop function bound to a default keyboard shortcut :(
[22:31] <takoski> skype says me "problem reproducing audio"
[22:31] <blip-> there doesn't seem to be an MD5sum on the download link so i can check
[22:31] <takoski> i have a problem when i start radio of screenlets i cant do a call with skype if i turn off the radio call can run
[22:31] <takoski> skype says me "problem reproducing audio"
[22:32] <sorush20> hi is there a file system that dosen't give errors
[22:32] <blip-> DarkSmoke: the CD managed to boot.... i'm doing media check now.  could it be it's actually good and k3b verification is confused ?
[22:32] <Koordin> how can i fix broken packages with -f ?
[22:32] <Koordin> with apt-get if*
[22:32] <Koordin> with apt-get -f*
[22:33] <totoro7> blip-: google your md5
[22:33] <sorush20> keep dosen't really work for my any help?
[22:33] <totoro7> it seems allright, lots of pages indicating the md5 is valid
[22:34] <sorush20> it keeps telling me there is an error i'm backing up to firewire hdd ext3 partition
[22:34] <totoro7> sorush20: what error? what are you trying to do?
[22:36] <sorush20> grub isn't loading my kernels and just drops to shell
[22:36] <sorush20> I'm just about to finish a e2fsck and see if it has been resolved.
[22:37] <totoro7> sorush20: hmmm, I don't think I'll be of much help then
[22:39] <Lars_G> It's still upgrading :(
[22:40] <favro> Lars_G: everyone is upgrading atm - the servers are prob being hammered - be patient is the only recourse
[22:41] <Lars_G> favro: Aye I know. it's I left it upgrading last night, and it hung in one of the "preserve config file?" questions :)
[22:41] <favro> ohh :)
[22:41] <Lars_G> favro: I pulled all the packages it seems. it could've been ready today but it hung there :)
[22:42] <favro> bummer
[22:42] <Lars_G> Ah such is life
[22:42] <totoro7> the upgrade procedure never went smoothly for me either
[22:42] <totoro7> they should really test it better, methinks
[22:42]  * totoro7 shakes fist
[22:42] <favro> or upgrade the servers
[22:42] <deftone> does anyone know of a linux distro that works out of the box with Intel GM965 chipset??
[22:42] <stephan> can anybody here help me with a problem with my Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG and the network manager? it can connect via WPA2 but the link does not get ready
[22:43] <Lars_G> totoro7: I think the testing was adequate.
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> asking you whether or not you want to keep an old conf file isn't really a bug ;-)
[22:43] <Lars_G> totoro7: Linux sees a more heterogeneous use than other systems, and it's always hard to do deep enough QA on it.
[22:43] <blip-> ok i have an update regarding iso Kubuntu 8.10... my MD5Sum is correct,  verification failed at the minimum CD writing speed of 8x... however, the CD still booted and Media Check passed succesfully .... am i good to install or could something still be fishy ?    Thanks
[22:43] <Lars_G> JontheEchidna: I never said it was a bug.
[22:43] <blip-> *the MD5Sum of the downloaded iso that is
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> Lars_G: I know, but totoro7 launched into a QA complaint-ish type thing from your comment
[22:44] <Lars_G> blip-: if the media check from the cd passed you should be in theory good to go
[22:44] <yousef> should i upgrade to 8.10?
[22:44] <yousef> i have kde3
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> yousef: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE3-KDE4Migration and http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Is_KDE_4.1_for_you%3F will be of use to you
[22:45] <Lars_G> JontheEchidna: People who want to complain usually pick any opportunity to start the complaint
[22:45] <yousef> thx
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> I'm not saying that the complaint was invalid either
[22:45] <Lars_G> JontheEchidna: I know
[22:45] <Lars_G> JontheEchidna: I am neither. I'm just saying that they can use unrelated opportunities to complain.
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> ah, right
[22:46] <totoro7> being a normally long procedure, I do think they should ask questions like that before the package downloading and other tasks...
[22:46] <blip-> i can't wait to try KD4.  thanks Lars_G :)
[22:48] <ign0ramus> hey all.  anyone know why my sound is working (internet and multimedia apps), but none of the KDE system sounds work... on Hardy and KDE 3.5.10
[22:48] <stephan> anybody here using 8.10 and a Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG
[22:48] <stephan> ?
[22:48] <jin> blip-: it's not very stable here :(
[22:49] <yousef> 8.04 on intel 4965
[22:50] <stephan> yousef: that was working for me too... but not under 8.10
[22:51] <yousef> lol, i guess you just conviced me to not upgrade
[22:51] <yousef> thanx stephan
[22:51] <blip-> yousef: may i ask,  do you have N working ?
[22:52] <stephan> yousef: if you don't have to... then don't!
[22:52] <yousef> i dont know, I use g only
[22:52] <blip-> yousef: i've got a 4965 on 8.04 too... and noticed it's unable to connect to wireless 802.11N ... instead it connects on the G standard
[22:52] <yousef> wait letme see if my university uses N
[22:52] <yousef> then ill tell u for sure
[22:52] <blip-> yousef: i see.   thanks.    I haven't come across a single person that uses N on any of the IRc channels, i'm starting to think its a driver issue from Intel.
[22:53] <blip-> yousef: i doubt any university would use N,  they're usually very good at saving money ;)
[22:53] <blip-> (on non research items that is)
[22:54] <comedit> blip doyou have hdaintel
[22:55] <totoro7> hmmm... alt+f2, typing "." doesn't do anything
[22:55] <blip-> question, does Kubuntu 8.10/KDE work better with reiserfs or ext3 ?
[22:55] <yousef> ya I'm pretty sure it's G
[22:55] <yousef> so I've never used N
[22:55] <blip-> comedit: you mean the sound card ?
[22:55] <comedit> yes
[22:55] <blip-> thanks yousef
[22:55] <blip-> comedit: yes i do
[22:56] <totoro7> it seems to imply it will open "alt+f2" program's working dir, but it does nothing in the end, no error, nada
[22:56] <totoro7> should I file a bug?
[22:56] <blip-> totoro7: i've found Launchy to be a superior replacement to the Alt-F2 window
[22:57] <comedit> I have hdaintel and realtek alc something, it does also not work on muy kubuntu 8.04 64 bits
[22:57] <totoro7> blip-: hmmm! I know launchy from Windows! Is it available in the repos?
[22:57] <blip-> no but there is a deb package on the program website
[22:58] <acemo> When booting kubuntu 8.10 live cd it hangs at checking batterystate (on a desktop computer w.o battery) what can i do to bypass this?
[22:58] <blip-> i use it on windows and linux too
[22:58] <totoro7> blip-: thanks, I'll have a look :-)
[22:58] <blip-> comedit: i use the 32 bit on mine.  have you checked ubuntuforums ?
[22:58] <comedit> somebody here (goood at souncards said i had to compile my own driver based on realttek download
[22:58] <blip-> totoro7: np :)
[22:59] <comedit> however we ran out of time then but it seemed the only way
[22:59] <comedit> yes
[23:00] <blip-> comedit: when i have to compile a driver for a distro... i just give up and change distros... something like and Intel HDA soundcard should work out of the box on every distro...  no excuses
[23:00] <blip-> *like an Intel
[23:00] <comedit> i checked forums a few weeks ago
[23:00] <comedit> there is some info there
[23:00] <comedit> on hda intel
[23:00] <edj> Well, here I am on intrepid and kde4, and I managed to somehow lose the panel, and can't find how to get it back.
[23:00] <totoro7> can the krunner glitch be classified as a bug though? should I do something about it?
[23:01] <ardchoille> kget is quite awesome
[23:01] <comedit> i agree it should work, it worked on my 32 bits but it seems to be abug or something
[23:01] <comedit> however compiling is way out of my legaue
[23:02] <pocruadhlaoich> what is the difference between desktop and server editions?
[23:02] <ardchoille> pocruadhlaoich: the desktop edition contains the KDE desktop and the server contains the normal system plus the LAMP stack with no desktop environment
[23:03] <favro> !intelhda | comedit
[23:03] <ardchoille> most people who run a server as the sole purpose for a machine usually don't use a desktop environment on that machine
[23:03] <favro> lamp is optional in the server install
[23:04] <ardchoille> it is?
[23:04] <pocruadhlaoich> thanks ardchoille, i want to run a file server, but i'm totally new to linux, i was thinking i would need the support of a guii to help me get up and going?
[23:04] <favro> yep - I use the server cd as the base for a minimal install
[23:05] <ardchoille> pocruadhlaoich: there's really no problem in installing a desktop on a server.
[23:05] <ardchoille> favro: Ah, that makes sense
[23:06] <christian86> can't read/write on my usb HD, i used fstab with following stats:
[23:06] <pocruadhlaoich> i was wondering should i install server with a desktop or vice versa or does it really matter?
[23:06] <christian86> # /dev/sdb1
[23:06] <christian86> UUID=0C34EA2234EA0F10  /media/TrekStor ntfs uid=0,gid=46,umask=007,nls=uft8 0 0
[23:06] <comedit> pocru consider downloading www.ebox-platform.com the installer it is a fileserver, domain controller vpn etc all managed with a webinterface
[23:06] <ardchoille> pocruadhlaoich: it doesn't really matter as long as the machine can handle it
[23:06] <pocruadhlaoich> i'll check that out, thanks comedit
[23:06] <favro> !tab | comedit
[23:07] <SkEmO> kkkthxbye!!
[23:07] <pocruadhlaoich> coolio thanks all!
[23:07] <comedit> thanks favro
[23:07] <favro> np :)
[23:07] <Daisuke_Ido> doesn't umask correspond to the default permissions given?  because 007 seems pretty limited if so...  i could have that backwards
[23:08] <ardchoille> pocruadhlaoich: i have a really old machine that the desktop install wont work on, so i used the server install for to install ubuntu on that machine, it works well with old equipment
[23:08] <scribbles> why do all of my multiverse and security repo's fail but all the others work, I can't even install mozilla-firefox when I enabled all the repo's in Adept in 8.10
[23:09] <Daisuke_Ido> ah ha
[23:09] <pocruadhlaoich> is ubuntu good as a domain server? lots of examples i have seen talk about setting it up the desktop edition as a workgroup server
[23:09] <Daisuke_Ido> christian86: might want to make that umask 0007 instead of 007
[23:10] <comedit> pocruadhlaoich: ubuntu does it all
[23:10] <totoro7> there, filed the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/291845
[23:10] <master_> How can I disable the kvm kernel extensions?
[23:10] <acemo> When booting kubuntu 8.10 live cd it hangs at checking batterystate (on a desktop computer w.o battery) what can i do to bypass this?
[23:10] <master_> virtualbox won't work wtih the kvm kernel extensions in.
[23:10] <jin> what package to install to use dragon player to play the most common video files?/
[23:11] <comedit> ebox is also based on ubuntu which again is basedon debian wich is one of the most solid distros 9but less user friendly)
[23:11] <ardchoille> jin: open a term and type; apt-cache search dragonplayer
[23:11] <pocruadhlaoich> thanks a lot comedit :)
[23:11] <edj> Well, here I am on intrepid and kde4, and I managed to somehow lose the panel.  "Add panel" gives me a empty panel at the top of the screen.  How to get a normal, populated panel back?
[23:12] <ardchoille> edj: you can always add widgets to the new panel
[23:13] <edj> ardchoille, Doesn't work - it stays empty.
[23:13] <ardchoille> :(
[23:14] <comedit> master_: I have vamware server installed and virtualbox and ble to ru simultaniously
[23:14] <acemo> When booting kubuntu 8.10 live cd it hangs at checking batterystate (on a desktop computer w.o battery) what can i do to bypass this?
[23:14] <totoro7> it seems that krunner doesn't like paths relative to the home user dir either
[23:14] <master_> comedit: vmware server didn't seem to work at all on kubuntu for me..
[23:14] <scribbles> anyone else having a portion of hteir sources fail when fetching updates?
[23:14] <totoro7> say, typing "Music" doesn't open ~/Music, but it implies it will
[23:14] <comedit> mmm vmware server 2 ?
[23:14] <comedit> or 1
[23:15] <master_> Where in kubuntu can I specify NOT to load a kernel module?
[23:15] <favro> !resetpanel
[23:15] <favro> dumb bot
[23:15] <ardchoille> favro: Well, the same bot is used in #kubuntu and #ubuntu. we need our own bot
[23:15] <comedit> when installing vmware server 1 there is a small thing yu need to do after installation
[23:16] <comedit> master_: let me check
[23:16] <jin> what package to install to use dragon player to play the most common video files?/
[23:17] <scribbles> why is "mozilla-firefox" not available from apt-get when all repo's are set as available?
[23:18] <favro> scribbles: try installing firefox instead of mozilla-firefox
[23:18] <Exilant> is there somewhere a guide to this weird new adept?
[23:18] <poultry_> So, now that I've got this shiny new 8.10 with KDE4, every time I enable any of the x.org nvidia drivers my machine reboots and proceeds to tell me I have no screens found.  Any ideas on a fix or should I just be waiting for an update?
[23:18] <Exilant> or should i just foorget adept
[23:19] <comedit> master_: this tutorial is for vmware server 1.0 something http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-ubuntu-studio-8.04-p7
[23:19] <scribbles> favro: it showed up now, "firefox" didn't work before, are the servers so swamped some aren't responding?
[23:19] <totoro7> hmmm.... my xchat window is not redrawing at times...
[23:20] <favro> scribbles: probably yes
[23:20] <H|V_3ala2> hi ppl
[23:20] <comedit> master_: but i would recommend installing server 2
[23:21] <comedit> which on my machines (64 and 32 bits) worked out of the box
[23:22] <acemo> When booting kubuntu 8.10 live cd it hangs at checking batterystate (on a desktop computer w.o battery) what can i do to bypass this?
[23:23] <jin> !video
[23:23] <favro> acemo: did the cd pass the md5 check?
[23:23] <H|V_3ala2>  I can sa,,,,
[23:23] <H|V_3ala2> use the alternative cd
[23:24] <H|V_3ala2> the text based installation
[23:24] <H|V_3ala2> I failed also to run it
[23:25] <H|V_3ala2> but my hope is the alternative
[23:25] <sorush20> hi
[23:25] <sorush20> I need to know
[23:25] <sorush20> how to make an incermental backup
[23:25] <sorush20> its not working
[23:25] <favro> folks you need to do the cd check from the menu when you boot it
[23:25] <sorush20> I keep getting this error Fatal Error: Destination directory /media/Linux home exists, but does not look like a rdiff-backup directory. Running rdiff-backup like this could mess up what is currently in it. If you want to update or overwrite it, run rdiff-backup with the --force option.
[23:26] <favro> !backup | sorush20
[23:27] <acemo> favro: yeah it did..
[23:29] <zerothis> my cursor is trapped on my second monitor. previously it resisted going back to the 1st.
[23:29] <H|V_3ala2> use the alternative cd
[23:29] <master_> comedit: thanks.. the one thing I prefer about vmware server is the networking.. I cannot even ping to a virtualbox vm.
[23:29] <favro> !who | H|V_3ala2
[23:29] <master_> of course.. vmware server also supports only 1 snapshot at a time
[23:30] <H|V_3ala2> acemo: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#alternate
[23:30]  * Danu is back.
[23:30] <favro> acemo: you might need to add a boot parameter - F6 at the menu - acpi=force would be one I'd try
[23:31] <acemo> favro: ill try that, thanks.
[23:31] <favro> acemo: tho I don't know why you'd need it on a desktop
[23:31] <acemo> favro: iduno.. it didn't try it with 8.04
[23:32] <favro> zerothis: how did you set up the dual monitors?
[23:33] <favro> acemo: that's what made me think it was a cd error
[23:33] <mid5> Hi at all, how can I do to get google tak voice and support calls on kubuntu, I see that kopete does not work with it, and I tried with wine, but it's not work too, anyone knows how can I do it???
[23:34] <acemo> favro: yeah.. i thought the same.. but then i did the check in boot menu(which said its fine).. and burned a new cd and still same so.. dun think its cd error
[23:35] <mid5> if I can do it, maybe my boss told me that I change to win2 :s, it's not nice
[23:35] <mid5> can = can not
[23:36] <favro> acemo: k try the boot parameters - I think F1 will show some options
[23:36] <zerothis> favro:the 2nd monitor is on a USB2VGA thingy. Couldn't get it recognized in GUI so I edited my xorg.conf. its still not seen in GUI but works except for holding on real tight to my cursor.
[23:36] <totoro7> where's amarok user settings file stored?
[23:37] <favro> zerothis: there is an app called xinerama to get dual monitors working
[23:37] <favro> !xinerama
[23:37] <totoro7> I want to specify a hidden dir as my collection directory, but I don't seem able to do that via the graphical interface
[23:37] <zerothis> favro: will a pastebin of my xorg.conf be help?
[23:37] <totoro7> but I can't find amarok's settings file anywhere
[23:38] <favro> zerothis: prob not - I would recommend using xinerama
[23:38] <totoro7> ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok doesn't seem to have anything interesting
[23:38] <favro> totoro7: there is #amarok if no-one here knows
[23:39] <totoro7> favro: oh, I think I'll have a lurk there then, thanks ;-)
[23:39] <favro> np
[23:40] <zerothis> I was under the impression that xrandr and xinerama don't play nice together. I also installed them both on a 2 monitor machine and ended up with 3 screens (one was stuck ontop of the first and was another "2nd" monitor)
[23:41] <favro> zerothis: what's the vid card?
[23:41] <zerothis> favro: but my immediate problem is getting my cursor back to monitor one where a fsck operation is pending. if xinerama will help then I'll do it. do you think it will help?
[23:42] <dorkface> Hi all.  I've tried to do apt-get dist-upgrade, but there is still a package being held back.  Is there a command to use to figure out why it is being held back?
[23:42] <favro> zerothis: it is the recommended way so it "should"
[23:44] <zerothis> the primary vid card is an intell something (lspci in a moment), I'm trapped on 2nd monitor on a USB2VGA SiS thingy
[23:44] <ek> Anyone know why Konsole has no transparent/transluecent options in 4.1?
[23:44] <favro> !dualhead | zerothis (this might help too)
[23:45] <favro> dorkface: it might be dependency issue if you have non ubuntu apps installed
[23:48] <zerothis> favro: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corparation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device [8086:2562] (rev 03)
[23:48] <zerothis> !dualhead | zerothis (this might help too)
[23:48] <ek> Hrm. Also can't get KNetworkManager to assign a static IP.
[23:49] <favro> zerothis: that should be fine - follow the xinerama link to set it up -  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo
[23:49] <rgreening> ek: the release note indicate it doesnt work
[23:50] <zerothis> no good, my firefox is trapped on monitor one, can't see the link. but let me see if I can kill it and get it to run over here
[23:50] <rgreening> ek: assuming you are talking about Intrepid
[23:50] <ek> rgreening: Yeah. I didn't work before. Was hoping it was fixed though. :) No big deal.
[23:50] <favro> ek: you can use   kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces   to set that up
[23:50] <rgreening> :)
[23:50] <ek> rgreening: Yes. Hardy Heron didn't work also though.
[23:50] <ek> ... for me anyhow.
[23:50] <ek> favro: Yup. Already there. Thanks.
[23:50] <favro> :)
[23:51] <rgreening> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-release <- release notes btw...
[23:51] <ek> favro: Any idea about the no transparency issue in Konsole by chance?
[23:51] <ek> rgreening: Ah. Excellent. I was actually looking for those.
[23:51] <rgreening> Bug 280762
[23:51] <favro> ek: I use Eterm out of habit - never bothered with konsole
[23:51] <ek> Fair enough.
[23:52] <rgreening> brb.. rebooting into fresh install
[23:52] <favro> luck
[23:52] <rgreening> ;)
[23:55] <zirikili> how do I enable compiz on intrepid?
[23:55] <totoro7> is the "Run script manager..." in amarok's Lyrics tab working for everyone?
[23:56] <totoro7> (kubuntu 8.10 x64 btw)
[23:56] <favro> zirikili: 8.10 has its' own compositor
[23:56] <favro> !compiz
[23:58] <zerothis> correct me if I'm wrong, but making use of a new xorg.conf requires losing the current running session?
[23:58] <favro> zerothis: yep - sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[23:59] <zerothis> well, that makes xinerama inapplicable to my current delema. (fsck operation pending on monitor 1)