| xivulon | hi, trying to help mint devs to use wubi, apparently they use remastersys and the ISO is a bit different, I am not too familiar with that, what would be a good way for them to a livecd close enough to the ubuntu one? | 10:18 |
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| evand | Is it not working as is? | 10:20 |
| evand | I'd be surprised if the installer worked and Wubi did not | 10:20 |
| evand | short of the contents of disk/info | 10:21 |
| xivulon | yeah already suggested them to fix that, but he mentioned that the ISO was "different" not sure what he meant, I am waiting for the logs | 10:21 |
| cjwatson | evand: did the USB samples arrive at Millbank? | 10:27 |
| evand | cjwatson: not yet to my knowledge, but I'll ask around | 10:27 |
| evand | do you recall who they are being shipped to? | 10:27 |
| evand | cezz? | 10:27 |
| cjwatson | evand: one of that lot over there :) | 10:27 |
| evand | :) | 10:28 |
| cjwatson | (i.e. don't know) | 10:28 |
| evand | cjwatson: two were sent, one for a before-9 arrival, one on a regular shipment | 10:43 |
| evand | neither have arrived yet | 10:43 |
| xivulon | evand: what was the bug you mentioned yesterday? | 11:03 |
| evand | xivulon: trying to find it | 11:12 |
| xivulon | weird bug report (in italian): sudden shutdown during installation, apparently reproducible | 11:13 |
| evand | xivulon: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/65124/ | 11:18 |
| evand | I cannot find a bug number | 11:18 |
| evand | perhaps talk to bdmurray | 11:18 |
| xivulon | thx evand | 11:29 |
| xivulon | In any case I think that the best course of action for the future is to get rid of the /boot bindmount alltogether and instead rsync /boot to /host/ubuntu/disks/boot during update-grub | 11:33 |
| xivulon | that will also solve #243105 and #252900 | 11:36 |
| xivulon | cjwatson, I think you suggested that to begin with some time ago' re 252900 | 11:36 |
| evand | cjwatson: arriving at half two | 11:39 |
| evand | " | 11:44 |
| evand | * | 11:44 |
| evand | arrr | 11:44 |
| evand | I know I configured irssi to not do that. | 11:44 |
| evand | mpt: "Merge the automatic and manual partitioning pages." (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityVisualRefresh) - if you have some time, can you mock this up? I'm perplexed as to how it would look | 11:45 |
| cjwatson | xivulon: I dunno, I can't say I'm entirely convinced - it feels pretty fragile | 11:45 |
| evand | though the more I think about it, the more it seems feasible as the resize option is moving into the segmented bar anyway | 11:46 |
| cjwatson | evand: sounds like it'd present a scary UI to people not prepared for it | 11:46 |
| evand | indeed, that's why I'm curious to see the mock up | 11:46 |
| mpt | evand, sure | 11:46 |
| evand | I can't think of a reasonable way of doing it, but maybe he can | 11:46 |
| evand | mpt: thakns | 11:47 |
| evand | mpt: I'm interested to know of any other ideas you may have that I'm not already aware of as I'm sitting at a desk with screenshots of ubiquity spread around trying to decide on what UI changes I need to make in 9.04 | 11:51 |
| evand | cjwatson: you as well | 11:51 |
| cjwatson | syncing up user-setup comes to mind: the private directory stuff | 11:52 |
| evand | indeed. Will we need to add the open ID stuff to that page eventually, or has that idea finally died of old age? | 11:54 |
| mpt | evand, earlier I mentioned to you the idea of splitting out the migration assistant, so that you can (a) migrate from another OS despite not dual-booting and (b) migrate from another computer even after you've finished installation | 11:54 |
| cjwatson | evand: will have to talk with online services about current plans there | 11:55 |
| mpt | evand, I don't know what effects that would have on the installer interaction, that's something that would need designing | 11:55 |
| evand | mpt: it's already possible to run it separate of ubiquity, it just doesn't have a UI. What would the advantage be of removing it from the installer? | 11:56 |
| mpt | evand, (a) and (b) above :-) | 11:56 |
| evand | cjwatson: noted | 11:56 |
| evand | a) I'm confused by. Short of adding the ability to import to a temporary medium like a USB disk or CD, there's no way to import from an OS you plan to delete. b) Already possible, just needs a GUI. | 11:57 |
| mpt | evand, exactly, it would involve putting stuff on a temporary medium | 11:57 |
| evand | ah, but that can be done inside ubiquity, no? | 11:58 |
| evand | (I'm not moved either way, I'm just trying to understand the rationale) | 11:59 |
| mpt | It could, and that would have pluses and minuses | 11:59 |
| mpt | The plus would be less complex interaction | 11:59 |
| mpt | The minus would be that the migration utility would look quite different depending on whether you were running it as part of the installer or standalone | 12:00 |
| mpt | which could be confusing | 12:00 |
| evand | hrmm | 12:00 |
| mpt | I think it needs a bunch of sketching out how it would work if invoked separately, and conversely how it would look if still embedded | 12:02 |
| evand | So you're proposing removing it from ubiquity and moving it into a separate utility that's seeded on the CDs and included in the default install? | 12:02 |
| evand | I could remove the UI, but keep the component in place for preseeding (Wubi), and leave it in, or rather finally add it to, the alternate installer. So it's feasible. | 12:03 |
| mpt | yes | 12:03 |
| evand | ok, I need to give that one some thought (perhaps discussing it at length at UDS), but I've made a note to do so. | 12:04 |
| mpt | great, thanks | 12:04 |
| evand | mpt: any suggestions for what a good password strength meter would look like? I'm tempted to use a series of lock images, but I suspect that's poor design. | 12:05 |
| mpt | In my original installer mockup I just had "☹ Too short" next to the password field | 12:06 |
| mpt | For something more elaborate, I guess a color-coded gauge | 12:06 |
| evand | right, I forgot that was in the wiki | 12:06 |
| mpt | short and red for a bad password, long and green for a good one | 12:06 |
| mpt | Partly it depends how much space you have for it | 12:07 |
| evand | assuming we put it next to the password input boxes, plenty. | 12:08 |
| xivulon | ohh http://mgerards.net/blog/?p=16#more-16 there is loop support in grub2 | 13:39 |
| * xivulon lobbies for grub2 | 13:40 | |
| cjwatson | sigh | 13:40 |
| cjwatson | we don't need lobbying, we need extensive testing | 13:40 |
| xivulon | davmor2 ^ | 13:41 |
| xivulon | (kidding) | 13:41 |
| xivulon | well jokes asides, it seems that grub2 could potentially address several issues, hope it proves robust enough for jaunty | 13:43 |
| CIA-2 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r2937 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog rules): Add an intro message noting that we're alpha again. | 13:44 |
| CIA-2 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r2938 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac debian/changelog): | 14:04 |
| CIA-2 | ubiquity: Autoconf likes to have a version in AC_INIT, but start omitting our | 14:04 |
| CIA-2 | ubiquity: sub-minor version from it so that we don't have to regenerate configure | 14:04 |
| CIA-2 | ubiquity: with every single upload. | 14:04 |
| xivulon | cjwatson was reading http://wiki.debian.org/Grub/Grub2, do you think it is realistic to expect grub2 in jaunty? as that would imply quite different code paths for me | 14:04 |
| xivulon | and if not, would be using grub2 withing wubi be acceptable? | 14:05 |
| cjwatson | I haven't thought grub2 was particularly realistic for a long time | 14:05 |
| cjwatson | it is always possible that I may be surprised | 14:05 |
| cjwatson | grub-installer does support grub2 in theory, though nobody's ever stepped up to make sure it contains the necessary Ubuntu changes to grub AfAIK | 14:06 |
| cjwatson | AFAIK | 14:06 |
| xivulon | I am not familiar with possible the issues, but would the problems affect the wubi user case | 14:06 |
| cjwatson | I can't imagine how they wouldn't | 14:07 |
| cjwatson | the issues are that it is a complete rewrite that hasn't been deployed in any major distribution to my knowledge | 14:07 |
| cjwatson | people have been talking about it more or less since Ubuntu started, but there's much more talk than action | 14:08 |
| cjwatson | the last time we looked at it it turned out that the descriptions of it substantially over-represented what it was capable of | 14:08 |
| cjwatson | so I'm afraid I'm pretty cynical about it now | 14:08 |
| cjwatson | I'd welcome somebody else taking it on, but I'm not going to | 14:09 |
| xivulon | well since in my case there are some clear advantages (at least on paper), and since the usage of wubi is fairly segmented, we might use that as a test bench | 14:09 |
| cjwatson | be wary of what it promises, and test it on a wide variety of machines | 14:10 |
| xivulon | remember that I am now left with grub4dos which is probably less tested than grub | 14:10 |
| evand | yay, usb key just arrived | 14:10 |
| xivulon | well I can only test it on my laptop, my wife's and vms :) | 14:11 |
| davmor2 | I can test on hw but not at the moment | 14:17 |
| CIA-2 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r2939 ubiquity/debian/intro-alpha.txt: update intro message for 9.04 | 14:19 |
| xivulon | davmor2 no rush, I have to check first if fat + ntfs + loop support works well and from within a windows partition. Otherwise there is no much point. | 14:21 |
| CIA-2 | oem-config: cjwatson * r557 oem-config/debian/changelog: | 14:25 |
| CIA-2 | oem-config: Switch to a new versioning scheme and omit the sub-minor version from | 14:25 |
| CIA-2 | oem-config: AC_INIT so that we don't have to regenerate configure with every single | 14:25 |
| CIA-2 | oem-config: upload. | 14:25 |
| CIA-2 | oem-config: cjwatson * r558 oem-config/d-i/sources.list: update for jaunty | 14:26 |
| CIA-2 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r2940 ubiquity/d-i/sources.list: update for jaunty | 14:26 |
| evand | 10:37:51 < PovAdct_w> if I run wubi.exe from the xubuntu desktop CD, I get a wizard driving me through *Kubuntu* installation... can someone confirm? | 14:41 |
| evand | xivulon: ^ | 14:41 |
| xivulon | evand does it mean that the artwork is wrong? | 14:46 |
| evand | No idea, I'd suggest pinging him | 14:47 |
| xivulon | no idea the metalink is ok, and the artwork is ok. not sure how he can end up running kubuntu from a xubuntu iso | 14:51 |
| xivulon | evand can you get more info? | 14:51 |
| evand | xivulon: I'm rather busy today, can you ping him? | 14:51 |
| xivulon | which channel? | 14:52 |
| evand | He was in #ubuntu-release-party, but given the high volume I'd suggest private messaging him | 14:52 |
| xivulon | evand it's ok he had a kubuntu CD in the tray | 15:01 |
| evand | ah | 15:10 |
| evand | ok | 15:10 |
| evand | WrapLabel | 15:42 |
| evand | A GtkLabel subclass that can wrap to any width, unlike GtkLabel which has a fixed wrap point. It does this through a couple of tricks in the size_allocate and size_request handlers by using PangoLayout's height-for-width. | 15:42 |
| evand | cjwatson: ^ from libview. We'd have to write Python bindings though. | 15:42 |
| davmor2 | xivulon: If I'm not around when it's ready to test send me a mail davmor2@davmor2.co.uk | 16:18 |
| evand | ah ha! cjwatson: http://medsphere.org/projects/widgets/wiki/FBox | 17:25 |
| evand | I think I just might rewrite that in Python | 17:30 |
| superm1 | evand, i've got a change for usb-creator i really should have proposed for merging sooner, could you take a look? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~dell-team/usb-creator/command-line-args | 20:10 |
| cjwatson | evand: Hmm. I wonder how well that works within a treeview | 23:23 |
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