[10:18] hi, trying to help mint devs to use wubi, apparently they use remastersys and the ISO is a bit different, I am not too familiar with that, what would be a good way for them to a livecd close enough to the ubuntu one? [10:20] Is it not working as is? [10:20] I'd be surprised if the installer worked and Wubi did not [10:21] short of the contents of disk/info [10:21] yeah already suggested them to fix that, but he mentioned that the ISO was "different" not sure what he meant, I am waiting for the logs [10:27] evand: did the USB samples arrive at Millbank? [10:27] cjwatson: not yet to my knowledge, but I'll ask around [10:27] do you recall who they are being shipped to? [10:27] cezz? [10:27] evand: one of that lot over there :) [10:28] :) [10:28] (i.e. don't know) [10:43] cjwatson: two were sent, one for a before-9 arrival, one on a regular shipment [10:43] neither have arrived yet [11:03] evand: what was the bug you mentioned yesterday? [11:12] xivulon: trying to find it [11:13] weird bug report (in italian): sudden shutdown during installation, apparently reproducible [11:18] xivulon: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/65124/ [11:18] I cannot find a bug number [11:18] perhaps talk to bdmurray [11:29] thx evand [11:33] In any case I think that the best course of action for the future is to get rid of the /boot bindmount alltogether and instead rsync /boot to /host/ubuntu/disks/boot during update-grub [11:36] that will also solve #243105 and #252900 [11:36] cjwatson, I think you suggested that to begin with some time ago' re 252900 [11:39] cjwatson: arriving at half two [11:44] " [11:44] * [11:44] arrr [11:44] I know I configured irssi to not do that. [11:45] mpt: "Merge the automatic and manual partitioning pages." (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityVisualRefresh) - if you have some time, can you mock this up? I'm perplexed as to how it would look [11:45] xivulon: I dunno, I can't say I'm entirely convinced - it feels pretty fragile [11:46] though the more I think about it, the more it seems feasible as the resize option is moving into the segmented bar anyway [11:46] evand: sounds like it'd present a scary UI to people not prepared for it [11:46] indeed, that's why I'm curious to see the mock up [11:46] evand, sure [11:46] I can't think of a reasonable way of doing it, but maybe he can [11:47] mpt: thakns [11:51] mpt: I'm interested to know of any other ideas you may have that I'm not already aware of as I'm sitting at a desk with screenshots of ubiquity spread around trying to decide on what UI changes I need to make in 9.04 [11:51] cjwatson: you as well [11:52] syncing up user-setup comes to mind: the private directory stuff [11:54] indeed. Will we need to add the open ID stuff to that page eventually, or has that idea finally died of old age? [11:54] evand, earlier I mentioned to you the idea of splitting out the migration assistant, so that you can (a) migrate from another OS despite not dual-booting and (b) migrate from another computer even after you've finished installation [11:55] evand: will have to talk with online services about current plans there [11:55] evand, I don't know what effects that would have on the installer interaction, that's something that would need designing [11:56] mpt: it's already possible to run it separate of ubiquity, it just doesn't have a UI. What would the advantage be of removing it from the installer? [11:56] evand, (a) and (b) above :-) [11:56] cjwatson: noted [11:57] a) I'm confused by. Short of adding the ability to import to a temporary medium like a USB disk or CD, there's no way to import from an OS you plan to delete. b) Already possible, just needs a GUI. [11:57] evand, exactly, it would involve putting stuff on a temporary medium [11:58] ah, but that can be done inside ubiquity, no? [11:59] (I'm not moved either way, I'm just trying to understand the rationale) [11:59] It could, and that would have pluses and minuses [11:59] The plus would be less complex interaction [12:00] The minus would be that the migration utility would look quite different depending on whether you were running it as part of the installer or standalone [12:00] which could be confusing [12:00] hrmm [12:02] I think it needs a bunch of sketching out how it would work if invoked separately, and conversely how it would look if still embedded [12:02] So you're proposing removing it from ubiquity and moving it into a separate utility that's seeded on the CDs and included in the default install? [12:03] I could remove the UI, but keep the component in place for preseeding (Wubi), and leave it in, or rather finally add it to, the alternate installer. So it's feasible. [12:03] yes [12:04] ok, I need to give that one some thought (perhaps discussing it at length at UDS), but I've made a note to do so. [12:04] great, thanks [12:05] mpt: any suggestions for what a good password strength meter would look like? I'm tempted to use a series of lock images, but I suspect that's poor design. [12:06] In my original installer mockup I just had "☹ Too short" next to the password field [12:06] For something more elaborate, I guess a color-coded gauge [12:06] right, I forgot that was in the wiki [12:06] short and red for a bad password, long and green for a good one [12:07] Partly it depends how much space you have for it [12:08] assuming we put it next to the password input boxes, plenty. [13:39] ohh http://mgerards.net/blog/?p=16#more-16 there is loop support in grub2 [13:40] * xivulon lobbies for grub2 [13:40] sigh [13:40] we don't need lobbying, we need extensive testing [13:41] davmor2 ^ [13:41] (kidding) [13:43] well jokes asides, it seems that grub2 could potentially address several issues, hope it proves robust enough for jaunty [13:44] ubiquity: cjwatson * r2937 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog rules): Add an intro message noting that we're alpha again. [14:04] ubiquity: cjwatson * r2938 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac debian/changelog): [14:04] ubiquity: Autoconf likes to have a version in AC_INIT, but start omitting our [14:04] ubiquity: sub-minor version from it so that we don't have to regenerate configure [14:04] ubiquity: with every single upload. [14:04] cjwatson was reading http://wiki.debian.org/Grub/Grub2, do you think it is realistic to expect grub2 in jaunty? as that would imply quite different code paths for me [14:05] and if not, would be using grub2 withing wubi be acceptable? [14:05] I haven't thought grub2 was particularly realistic for a long time [14:05] it is always possible that I may be surprised [14:06] grub-installer does support grub2 in theory, though nobody's ever stepped up to make sure it contains the necessary Ubuntu changes to grub AfAIK [14:06] AFAIK [14:06] I am not familiar with possible the issues, but would the problems affect the wubi user case [14:07] I can't imagine how they wouldn't [14:07] the issues are that it is a complete rewrite that hasn't been deployed in any major distribution to my knowledge [14:08] people have been talking about it more or less since Ubuntu started, but there's much more talk than action [14:08] the last time we looked at it it turned out that the descriptions of it substantially over-represented what it was capable of [14:08] so I'm afraid I'm pretty cynical about it now [14:09] I'd welcome somebody else taking it on, but I'm not going to [14:09] well since in my case there are some clear advantages (at least on paper), and since the usage of wubi is fairly segmented, we might use that as a test bench [14:10] be wary of what it promises, and test it on a wide variety of machines [14:10] remember that I am now left with grub4dos which is probably less tested than grub [14:10] yay, usb key just arrived [14:11] well I can only test it on my laptop, my wife's and vms :) [14:17] I can test on hw but not at the moment [14:19] ubiquity: cjwatson * r2939 ubiquity/debian/intro-alpha.txt: update intro message for 9.04 [14:21] davmor2 no rush, I have to check first if fat + ntfs + loop support works well and from within a windows partition. Otherwise there is no much point. [14:25] oem-config: cjwatson * r557 oem-config/debian/changelog: [14:25] oem-config: Switch to a new versioning scheme and omit the sub-minor version from [14:25] oem-config: AC_INIT so that we don't have to regenerate configure with every single [14:25] oem-config: upload. [14:26] oem-config: cjwatson * r558 oem-config/d-i/sources.list: update for jaunty [14:26] ubiquity: cjwatson * r2940 ubiquity/d-i/sources.list: update for jaunty [14:41] 10:37:51 < PovAdct_w> if I run wubi.exe from the xubuntu desktop CD, I get a wizard driving me through *Kubuntu* installation... can someone confirm? [14:41] xivulon: ^ [14:46] evand does it mean that the artwork is wrong? [14:47] No idea, I'd suggest pinging him [14:51] no idea the metalink is ok, and the artwork is ok. not sure how he can end up running kubuntu from a xubuntu iso [14:51] evand can you get more info? [14:51] xivulon: I'm rather busy today, can you ping him? [14:52] which channel? [14:52] He was in #ubuntu-release-party, but given the high volume I'd suggest private messaging him [15:01] evand it's ok he had a kubuntu CD in the tray [15:10] ah [15:10] ok [15:42] WrapLabel [15:42] A GtkLabel subclass that can wrap to any width, unlike GtkLabel which has a fixed wrap point. It does this through a couple of tricks in the size_allocate and size_request handlers by using PangoLayout's height-for-width. [15:42] cjwatson: ^ from libview. We'd have to write Python bindings though. [16:18] xivulon: If I'm not around when it's ready to test send me a mail davmor2@davmor2.co.uk [17:25] ah ha! cjwatson: http://medsphere.org/projects/widgets/wiki/FBox [17:30] I think I just might rewrite that in Python [20:10] evand, i've got a change for usb-creator i really should have proposed for merging sooner, could you take a look? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~dell-team/usb-creator/command-line-args [23:23] evand: Hmm. I wonder how well that works within a treeview