[03:13] <pururu> alternative location to download ubuntu-8.10-umpc-i386.img from?
[03:15] <Burgundavia> pururu: is cdimage down?
[03:15] <Burgundavia> some of the mirrors might be carrying the iso
[03:15] <pururu> not entirely... but very slow and such\
[03:15] <Burgundavia> welcome to release day
[03:15] <pururu> yeah
[03:15] <pururu> :)
[03:36] <tripzero> what touchscreen driver does ubuntu mobile support?
[03:36] <tripzero> it runs xserver 1.5, some drivers don't seem to be available for it yet
[03:36] <tripzero> (namely  egalax, evtouch for 2)
[03:37] <Burgundavia> evtouch is in universe
[03:39] <tripzero> i see that, but does it work for xserver 1.5 ?
[03:40] <persia> It does/
[03:40] <tripzero> last time I checked, 0.8.7 didn't have support for 1.5
[03:40] <tripzero> oh, cool
[03:40] <persia> There's even an FDI file for the eGalax device.
[03:41] <tripzero> okay, i'll give it a try...
[03:44] <tripzero> btw, does UME have a default navigation app yet?
[03:45] <persia> navigation?
[03:46] <tripzero> gps?
[03:47] <persia> Oh.  No.  Some people say good things about gpsdrive.
[03:47] <persia> There's nothing well tested on that class of device though.
[03:48] <tripzero> hmm
[03:48] <tripzero> navit need to get into the repo me thinks
[03:48] <persia> Might make a good target for intrepid, if there are enough people with the form factor and integrated gps to test something.
[03:48] <persia> I've heard good things about navit, but yeah, someone needs to package it.
[03:48] <tripzero> they've got a repo with intrepid builds
[03:49] <tripzero> I wonder what it would take to get those into ubuntu's repo
[03:49] <persia> What's the license for it?
[03:49] <tripzero> gpl
[03:49] <tripzero> v2 afaik
[03:50] <persia> In that case, it probable just needs a dev to review it to get included.
[03:50] <tripzero> oh, cool
[03:50] <tripzero> is there a mailing list to post to?
[03:50] <tripzero> i can pass that info onto the devs...
[03:51] <tripzero> i'll talk to them, they probably have already looked into
[03:51] <tripzero> it
[03:52] <persia> It needs a "needs-packaging" bug in launchpad.
[03:52] <persia> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewPackages
[03:52] <tripzero> the reason I ask is a bunch of people have gotten navit to run on things like the nokia n810.  Seems like it'd be a better fit than gpsdrive
[03:52] <tripzero> it certainly is developed more
[03:53] <tripzero> gpsdrive hasn't had a release in a while afair
[03:53] <persia> I suspect you might be right.  The limited testing I've done with gpsdrive seems to expect a larger screen.
[03:53] <persia> Sorry : the URL moved.  It's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[03:57] <tripzero> thanks :)
[08:02] <lool> morning
[08:03] <Burgundavia> persia: cloudmade is also providing navit xml downloads of OSM data
[10:50] <ogra> the last time i looked at navit you had to supply the maps at compile time ....
[10:51]  * ogra would like to see elmo if the buildd's download 10G of OSM maps :)
[10:53] <ogra> i heard roadnav started to use OSM too now ... 
[11:03] <persia> Could create an installer package to pull/update OSM maps though : doesn't have to pass through the buildds.
[11:07] <ogra> it compiles them into the binary
[11:51] <persia> That's just an annoying architecture.
[11:58] <ogra> well, it works if you only want one city or something
[12:00] <persia> I guess, but there's no sensible way to do that on a distro basis
[12:01] <ogra> nah
[12:01] <ogra> it might have changed though, its really a while iago that i ooked at it
[12:02] <persia> Someone should write a spec for GPS for MID for Jaunty
[12:02] <ogra> roadnav seemed a better shot back then (especially through its real 3D nav mode ... it can put standard vector mas into an isometric view)
[12:03] <ogra> but when i looked at roadnav it didnt support OSM, the dev version is supposed to, but i didnt look at that yet
[12:04] <ogra> roadnav is really close to a normal car navi system
[12:25] <ian_brasil> persia: i did some stuff a while back with gps and bluetooth and gypsy (the new gps daemon) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UMEGuide/ApplicationDevelopment/GPSEnabledWebApplication
[12:27] <persia> ian_brasil, So you suggestsoemthing like having udev call gypsy and then add some sensible clients?
[12:28] <ian_brasil> yes..gypsy is really nice and geoclue will use this too 
[12:29] <ian_brasil> geoclue is like a provider of location services to apps and part of gnome mobile
[12:30] <ian_brasil> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/GeoClue
[12:31] <persia> Nifty.  That makes it sound like there's a good chance that it can be included in Jaunty.  Would you mind prepping some packages to push to Jaunty when it opens?
[12:33] <ian_brasil> some packages of gypsy are here http://ianlawrence.info/downloads/debian/gypsy-lpia/
[12:34] <ian_brasil> i think geoclue is packeaged for maemo already but i can check
[14:09] <acidfoo> morning
[15:32] <ian_brasil>  i am writing a small python program using python-dbus that receives a signal and exports an object. Can I have both in the same class and communicating 
[15:32] <ian_brasil> how to do this ?
[15:52] <rhpot19911> hey guys wanted to report a problem with the lpia 8.10 alternate installer, once it is done installing the base system I get an error ""No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources"
[15:53] <ogra> lpia 8.10 alternate installer ?
[15:54] <rhpot19911> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/intrepid/release/
[15:54] <rhpot19911> ubuntu-8.10-alternate-lpia.iso
[15:54] <ogra> yes, where do you see an lpia alternate there ? 
[15:55] <ogra> oh
[15:55] <ogra> cdimages ...
[15:55]  * ogra was looking at releases.u.c
[15:55] <rhpot19911> or should I not be trying to use this on my eee :)
[15:55] <ogra> not sure that was even tested
[15:56] <ogra> persia would know, but he is asleep
[15:56] <rhpot19911> ya I didn't see it on the downloads right from the ubuntu page, figured I'd report what I see
[15:56] <rhpot19911> ogra: should I contact him some other way?
[15:56] <ogra> filing a bug might be proper :)
[15:57] <rhpot1991_laptop> ogra: want to point me at the correct location on LP?
[15:58] <ogra> just trying to find one :) it might be debian-installer or it might be the linux-lpia kernel package, not sure
[15:59] <ogra> the images we built for intrepid are both using the live installer ... 
[15:59] <rhpot1991_laptop> I'm trying the install again, gonna see if I can manually pick it out
[16:00] <rhpot1991_laptop> also this alternate cd is a pain to install from usb, it wants you to have a cdrom no matter what
[16:00] <ogra> the only thing i find is bug 274781 atm
[16:00] <ogra> but thats not appropriate
[16:01] <rhpot1991_laptop> hmmm it doesn't seem to want to let me do anything, its either continue without a kernel (broken system), or say no and then it throws you to the step chooser
[16:01] <ogra> rhpot1991_laptop, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+filebug go with that for now 
[16:02] <ogra> though i guess it's an issue with the linux-lpia package in the end 
[16:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> ya it seems like it
[16:02] <ogra> but d-i might be the best starting point
[16:42] <rhpot1991_laptop> ogra: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/291670
[16:42] <rhpot1991_laptop> if you want to throw that at persia
[16:43] <ogra> i will, thanks a lot for filing
[17:12] <excalibas> hello, what is the best choice of ubuntu for my eee pc?
[17:13] <rbelem> excalibas, i think UMPC is better choice
[17:14] <ian_brasil> umpc runs great on eeepc
[17:16] <excalibas> thanks, that was what i was thinking about, and I get this from here? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-umpc/intrepid/20081030.1/
[17:16] <excalibas> just one more question, how do I put the usb image on the usb?
[17:19] <rbelem> excalibas, install the usb-creator
[17:20] <excalibas> oh, I just saw the faq and the link on top of the page, sorry about that, and thank you for the pacience :)
[17:22] <rbelem> excalibas, no problem ;-)
[17:49] <rhpot1991_laptop> what kernel does umpc use?
[17:55] <lool> rhpot1991_laptop: 2.6.27-7-generic
[17:58] <rhpot1991_laptop> the whole ubuntu mobile scene is kinda confusing currently, about 18 different choices
[18:02] <ogra> only two ... 
[18:02] <ogra> :)
[18:05] <rhpot1991_laptop> ogra: plus the eee specific ones which are based off of those 2, but ya I have a better understanding now
[18:06] <rhpot1991_laptop> umpc for 7-10, mid for anything below 7
[18:06] <ogra> right
[18:06] <ogra> and eee is its own thing, not based on any of ours (yet)
[18:06] <rhpot1991_laptop> yep, I've been using eeebuntu with the array.org kernel
[18:06] <ogra> they use their own packages and their own archive atm
[18:07] <rhpot1991_laptop> works well, but I am playing with 8.10 on there now
[18:07] <ogra> fi you want the netbook apps, they are in the archive in 8.10
[18:07] <rhpot1991_laptop> I think eeebuntu is just 8.04 with the array.org kernel and some eee tweaks for the hardware
[18:07] <ogra> i'll write a howto the next days that explains how you can easily turn -umpc into a netbook desktop
[18:08] <ogra> well, they also use the netbook launcher and window manager tweaks etc
[18:08] <rhpot1991_laptop> awn as well
[18:08] <rhpot1991_laptop> for the standard
[18:08] <ogra> well, an is in the archive as well :)
[18:08] <rhpot1991_laptop> hmmm, didn't know that :)
[18:09] <ogra> awn-manager
[18:09] <ogra> is the package name
[18:09] <ogra> oh, no, thats only the manager for the settings
[18:10] <ogra> avant-window-navigator :)
[18:18] <rhpot1991_laptop> thanks ogra I'll give umpc a try and see how it works on my eee 1000
[18:19] <ogra> for the eee 1000 you might need a special wlan driver 
[18:19] <rhpot1991_laptop> ogra: ya, this kernel does pretty well with all the drivers: http://www.array.org/ubuntu/
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[18:19] <ogra> err
[18:19] <rhpot1991_laptop> I'd prob go ahead and use that
[18:19] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive
[18:20] <ogra> that works with any intrepid kernel
[18:20] <rhpot1991_laptop> ya I've installed the realtek drivers as well before
[18:21] <ogra> this package uses dkms and is properly integrated with the kernel
[18:21] <rhpot1991_laptop> neat, I'll check it out
[18:26] <sporter> Hello, anyone able to answer a quick question about customizing ubuntu MID?
[18:32] <excalibas> I just tried umpc on my eee (I used the version from the link on the title) but it seems wifi is not working, shoud I use this array.org kernel or there is a way to fix this?
[18:33] <ogra> excalibas, which eee model ? 
[18:33] <ogra> for eee 1000 there is a dirver at https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive
[18:33] <ogra> *driver
[18:33] <excalibas> ogra: 900
[18:34] <ogra> hmm, there is a /debs directory on the usb key, check it :)
[18:34] <ogra> install the package in there, after a reboot your wlan should work
[18:37] <excalibas> ogra: ok, so I make an instalation first right this is not from the live usb
[18:40] <ogra> right
[18:41] <ogra> install, plug in the usb key, if the filemanager ppos up, go to the /debs dir on te key, doubleclick the package and follow the gdebi installer
[19:15] <excalibas> ok, thanks a lot ogra, I am installing... ... ...
[19:16] <ogra> :)
[20:37] <pururu> ... card reader dosnt work on aspire1
[21:14] <excalibas> thanks a lot people, see you
[21:16]  * ogra wonders if he now can assume it worked :)