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saivannasac : Yes, bug is still open for thunderbird in intrepid00:05
saivannasac : bug 19497000:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 194970 in mozilla-thunderbird "Incorrect .desktop files" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19497000:05
asacsaivann: isa that because i missed the merge or because there was no upstream release after merge?00:06
saivannasac : I might not remember correctly, but I think that you said to me that you would merge the branch in your local branch. However, the current thunderbird in Intrepid does not include that fix.00:15
saivannasac : This is not the most important issue, do you want me to re-upload a updated branch and remember you this bug in a few months for Jaunty?00:17
ftaasac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/64902/00:21
ftaoops, wrong00:22
ftai should read00:22
ftahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/64903/00:23
fta[reed], mozilla Bug 46246700:48
ubottuMozilla bug 462467 in Build Config "js/src/configure fails when building --with-system-nspr" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46246700:48
asacsaivann: no its fine. i will merge it a bit later today08:59
asac@time11:47
ubottuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: October 31 2008, 11:47:49 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 4 days11:47
armin76@bumb12:32
armin76asac: i got an arm :D12:32
ftai was born with two ;)12:44
lesshastehi13:09
lesshastefirefox no longers starts... it appears to be running but it doesn't actually come up so I can see it13:09
lesshasteI can paste an output of strace if that might help?13:09
asacarmin76: cool ... put ubuntu on it ;)13:13
armin76asac: hahahaha :D13:21
armin76asac: is there an arm port? :P13:21
armin76besides, to make you happy, its running debian13:21
armin76until i compile all the stuff i need to put gentoo13:21
asacarmin76: oh thats cool ;)13:21
asacdamn13:27
asacsecond xulrunner orig upload hangs on last K13:27
asacone more try :(13:28
ftaasac, mozilla Bug 462467 :)13:36
ubottuMozilla bug 462467 in Build Config "js/src/configure fails when building --with-system-nspr" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46246713:36
fta[reed], ^^13:37
asacyeah if my net would deliver me anything i could probably do something ;)13:38
ftano need, i got a r+, i just need someone to commit it13:39
ftaor do i need a sr+ too ?13:40
asacfta: depends on what the current branch rules are13:40
asacfta: and who did the review13:40
asacif it was a superreviewer then you dont need a sr afaict13:41
ftaluser13:41
asacfta: if this upload doesnt work, i need you to upload a orig i guess ;)13:41
asaci mean ... the first build1 one :)13:42
ftanp13:43
asacsigh ... first thing after this upload will be a modem and router reset13:49
ftahm, ff3.1 freeze while trying to open a pdf with evince13:51
ftamozilla bug 46093313:51
ubottuMozilla bug 460933 in jemalloc "Firefox hangs after downloading PDF it should open in Document Viewer (evince)" [Major,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46093313:51
asacfta: http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showbuilds.cgi?tree=Firefox + http://developer.mozilla.org/en/mozilla-central#mozilla-central_tree_rules13:52
Shanix_hi all, I have an issue with the extra large space on firefox, tried all the uninstall, reinstall, but none works14:54
Shanix_it looks like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=605740014:54
Shanix_is there any way to debug this?14:54
asacShanix_: first thing: check that all extensions you have are disabled/uninstalled14:56
asacShanix_: second thing would be to see what font you are using14:56
asacmaybe you have set something custom there14:56
asacShanix_: the other thing I could think of might be a combination of font and zoom14:57
asacdo the spaces get smaller when you zoom out?14:57
Shanix_asac, I even remove the profile and recreate it, but doesn't help either14:57
asacShanix_: well. you could have gnome settings14:57
asacfor the fonts14:57
Shanix_asac, the strangest thing is that even if I login with different user (new user), but firefox still looks like that14:58
Shanix_I changed all the fonts to the default Ubuntu font14:58
Shanix_and it is only happen on firefox14:58
asacShanix_: have you tried  a live CD?14:59
asacdoes it look ok there?14:59
Shanix_asac, yes, it looks ok on the live CD14:59
asacShanix_: just shooting: 1) try a different language? ensure that you really have the default fonts installed and not any other fonts15:00
Shanix_asac, on the gnome or ?15:01
asacShanix_: do you have anything in /usr/local/lib ?15:01
asacShanix_: yes language: just use plain english ;) (unless you used livecd with your locale)=15:02
Shanix_asac, yes, eclipse, gtk-2.0, pythong2.5, site_ruby15:02
asacShanix_: dump that15:03
asacremove everything from there15:03
Shanix_ok15:03
asacat least gtk215:03
asacbut at best everything as you otherwise might miss things15:03
asacyou could rename the whole /usr/local folder to test15:03
asac(remember to restart everythign after that)15:03
Shanix_no, unfortunately, still appear to be the same15:09
Shanix_rename the /usr/local, restart X15:10
asacnot sure. hard to figure that out. have you tried with all the language stuff removed?15:11
asacthis surealy looks like a font thing ... either its pango/cairo or something locale related. mostlikely a combination of all with not default fonts installed15:13
asacShanix_: it looks a bit like the font isnt scaled at all for you ... while everything else gets stretcehd15:14
Shanix_i only have the english language left now, others has been removed.15:14
asacmaybe its as simple that you dont use a scalable font at all15:14
Shanix_asac, the application font that I used is Sans15:15
Shanix_so firefox is using the font from gnome, right?15:17
Shanix_the language on firefox shows xulrunner en-GB15:18
Shanix_so, if I rename the /usr/share/fonts15:23
Shanix_the font definitely looks different now ...15:23
asacmozilla bug 43925216:47
ubottuMozilla bug 439252 in Embedding: APIs "Embedding gtk+ widget for win32" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43925216:47
crimsun[reed]: Flash 10 with minefield on intrepid?  using pulseaudio?  with libasound2-plugins from my PPA installed?20:23
ftalol, a crazy guy: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:188558820:23
asacfta: where is my karma graph?20:45
asac;)20:45
ftaasac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/65387/20:48
ftamozilla bug 45643920:50
ubottuMozilla bug 456439 in General "add about:rights and a "Know Your Rights" infobar to Firefox" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45643920:50
ftaasac, should i drop your patch?20:52
ftahttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=34566220:52
asacgood20:52
asaceven translatable all the bits20:52
asacso maybe we get a similar landing in 3.0.5 .... but i doubt it as there are a bunch of new strings20:53
sebnerasac: is the flash -> sometimes gray boxes bug already known?21:06
asacsebner: probably nspluginwrapper related.21:06
asachave no bug id at hand21:06
sebnerasac: So it's getting better if I install nspluginwrapper? /me also hasn't found a bug for it bug saw someone complaining and as I have the same sometimes (not reproduceable) ...21:07
asacsebner: err. i mean its get worse _with_ nspluginwrapper21:13
asacsebner: are you not using it?21:13
sebnerasac: nope ^^21:19
asacsebner: well. general bustage then most likely21:19
asacflashplugin isnt really the most stable thing on earth. could be that it hangs in alsa ;)21:20
crimsunI'm happy to blame it on Flash ;-)21:20
sebnerasac: hrhr. Well, normal users recomment reinstalling to fix it. anyway I don't have it that often. maybe 1 in 20 times21:20
asacreinstalling for fixing?21:21
asacdoesn't sound dangerous ;) ... but useless21:21
asacthat must be on forums :)21:21
sebnerhehe21:21
sebnerdunno21:21
asacsebner: could you try with upstream firefox build?21:22
sebnerasac: grr I should go back to XP xD. k3b has also a bug. no mp3 ripping anymore :(21:22
sebnerasac: sure21:22
asacis k3b in main?21:22
sebnerasac: yes21:23
sebnerwhy?21:23
asacnot sure ;) ... i think i never used it21:23
sebnerasac: well, I don't suppose you are a kde guy that can fix that so I wasn't asking ;)21:23
asactry to rip an open format21:23
asacbetter not ;)21:24
sebnerasac: tell my sister :O21:24
asacdoes the gnome thing work?=21:24
sebnerasac: soundjuicer? dunno. but it's working with grip (slowly but working), so it's a k3b issue. anyway, my sister only wants k3b xD21:25
asactell here that choice and learning new things is good and healthy ;)21:25
asactell her21:25
sebnerasac: I gave that up a long time ago ;)21:26
sebnerasac: and btw, YOU are a canoncial guy. so instead of telling me things you should fix it ^^21:26
asacsebner: you shouldnt upgrade system of simple users right on release day21:28
asacat least my opinion ;)21:29
sebnerasac: well, be honest ... If I don't push any MOTU towards (my) bug that also wouldn't be fixed in 2 months ;)21:29
asaca follower shouldnt be made a "innovator" :)21:29
asacsebner: you should file the bug upstream too21:30
asacsebner: or ping kubuntu folks ;)21:30
sebnerasac: sure, upstream seems to be semi-dead though21:30
asacwhere is the bug? :-Ü21:31
sebnerasac: yeah I know. but I was just here and thought canoncial guys are mighty :P21:31
sebnerbug 249642 | asac21:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 249642 in k3b "Missing suggested/recommended package" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24964221:31
sebnerarggh21:32
sebnersry21:32
sebnerwrong one21:32
sebnerbug 26739921:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 267399 in k3b "Intrepid: K3B fails to rip to MP3" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26739921:32
asacsebner: so that program doesnt work at all?21:33
sebnerasac: it's working perfectly well. just ripping to MP3 isn't working ^^21:33
asacsebner: what other use-cases does it cover?21:34
sebnerasac: pardon?21:34
asacsebner: nevermind. what is the output on the command line exactly? (or whereever the error named in the bug comes from)21:35
sebnerasac: well output from terminal doesn't say anything. K3b says: Start reading dist ,..  Then "Borken command: lame -h --tt ............ "21:36
asacnot promissing ... archive.ubuntu.com still doesnt answer for me21:36
asacoh now21:36
asacsebner: what is ......21:39
asacwhat happens if you run that commadn manually21:39
sebnerasac: ..... <-- is CD title, track title etc. didn't try that yet. I just know that lame is working (with grip, or I can start it manually)21:40
ftaasac, congrats, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/karma.png21:40
asacsigh21:41
asacquite interesting21:41
ftathe hole is my dead hd + the disastrous hardy->intrepid upgrade21:41
asaci worked like 5 days all the time on bugs21:41
asacbut it just boosted ... then only crawled21:41
ftai'm now polling the detail21:41
sebnerlol21:41
asacmost likely a bzr downturn21:41
asacmaybe i should focus on bzr work again ;)21:42
sebnerasac: when I try the commands with lame in the terminal the result is:21:43
sebnerlame: excess arg CD21:44
asaci cannot help you if you dont post the complete command ... really21:44
asac;)21:44
sebnerasac: sebner@ubuntu:~$ lame -h --tt Bill Bailey --ta --tl My CD --ty 0 --tc -/home/sebner/Desktop// - My CD/01 - Bill Bailey.mp321:44
sebner  :P21:44
ftause quotes around the filename21:45
asacsebner: well you definitly have to put the whitespaced content in " "21:45
asacyeah21:45
asacquotes21:45
asacaroudn everything that has whitespaces21:45
sebner^^21:45
sebnerjust did that what k3b showed me21:45
asacno clue if -/home/sebner is valid21:45
asaci would think its none-sense21:45
ftasame21:46
asacsebner: yes, but dont be a bot. things that are one argument needs to be quoted21:46
sebnertrue21:46
asacso lame -h --tt "Bill Bailey" --ta --tl "My CD" --ty 0 --tc "/home/sebner/Desktop// - My CD/01 - Bill Bailey.mp321:46
asac"21:47
asaci would think21:47
sebnerCannot find MY Cd21:47
sebnerwhen I change it to "dev/cdrom"21:47
asac            "usage: %s [options] <infile> [outfile]\n"21:47
asac            "\n"21:47
asac            "    <infile> and/or <outfile> can be \"-\", which means stdin/stdout.\n"21:47
sebnerWarning: unsupported audio format21:47
asacso - is stdin21:47
asacmaybe you just missed a whitespace21:48
sebnerdon't think so21:49
sebnerstill21:49
sebnerWarning: unsupported audio format21:49
asacsebner: where is your source? a CD?21:49
sebnerasac: yes21:49
asactry --cd then21:49
asaclame -h --cd --tt "Bill Bailey" --ta --tl "My CD" --ty 0 --tc "/home/sebner/Desktop// - My CD/01 - Bill Bailey.mp3"21:50
asacor something21:50
sebnerasac: I think instead of "My CD" I have to use the path to the CD ;) .. still unsupported format.21:50
asacanyway if that doesnt no21:51
asacno21:51
asac;)21:51
asacthats the title21:51
asac           "    --tt <title>    audio/song title (max 30 chars for version 1 tag)\n"21:51
asac            "    --ta <artist>   audio/song artist (max 30 chars for version 1 tag)\n"21:51
asac            "    --tl <album>    audio/song album (max 30 chars for version 1 tag)\n"21:51
sebnerbut why then21:52
sebnerCould not find "My CD".21:52
asacsebner: well. most likely because it has no input at all21:52
asacsebner: study the manpage of lame ... would be good to know if its really something missing21:53
asaclike a code or something21:53
asacbut for that we need to know that we run it properly ;)21:53
sebnerasac: /me is interested in how lame gets an input source21:53
asacsebner: seems you need a .wav first21:55
sebnerasac: Did I mention that it worked (with Hardy) ^^21:56
ftai386      0 builds waiting in queue21:57
ftapalmer AUTO Building i386 build of inline-octave 0.22-3ubuntu1 in ubuntu jaunty RELEASE21:57
ftarothera AUTO Building i386 build of ggz-python 0.0.14.1-1 in ubuntu jaunty RELEASE21:57
fta\o/21:57
asacicedax21:57
asacsebner: ^^21:57
asacto dump CDs to wavs21:57
asacthen cat /tmp/your.wav | lame (command from above)21:57
ftawhy do that manually, there are tons of GUIs21:57
asacfta: we want to see what happens with lame on the command line ;)21:58
sebnerasac: tomorrow or something like that ^^. but thx for your help (also that this isn't your area normally). /me will try to find a kde guy anyway21:58
ftaoh21:58
asacfta: because k3b (a gui) chokes and only says that the lame command files21:58
asacfails21:58
sebnerfta: but it was working in hardy21:58
asacsebner: could you plese finish that?21:58
asaci mean its two things ;)21:58
asacand then post that in bug.21:59
asacfta: jaunty official or ppa?21:59
ftaofficial21:59
sebnerasac: I rip it with k3b to wave :P21:59
ftaso i guess ppa too21:59
ftaasac, https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds22:00
asacsebner: yeah ... once you have wav do the above22:00
asacsebner: if that works k3b just does wrong and should be easy to fix22:00
ftai'm surprised the toolchain is ready so soon22:00
asacif not we know the source and probably its a new command line options or something22:00
sebnerasac: but how can such a thing change from hardy -> intrepid22:00
asacfta: sure that the archive is open?22:01
asacsebner: simple: lame is a new version -> new command line options, old dropped22:01
sebnerasac: release schedule says jaunty opens at 5th nov22:01
ftaasac, if the builders build, there's a repo somewhere22:01
asacor k3b is new, but lame wasnt updated -> new command line options are not yet suppored22:01
asacfta: yeah but might be bootstrapping things22:02
ftadamn, i have 113 tabs22:02
asacor test builds22:02
asacor something22:02
asaci dont know the exact bootstrapping procedure22:02
sebnerasac: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRKKKKKINNNNNNNNGGGGGGGG22:02
sebnerxD22:02
sebnerlame Desktop/\ \ -\ My\ CD/01\ -\ Bill\ Bailey.wav -h --tt "Bill Bailey" --ta --tl "My CD" --ty 0 --tc "/home/sebner/Desktop// - My CD/01 - Bill Bailey.mp3"22:02
sebnerproduces a My CD.mp3 in my home22:02
nikolamfta, :)22:02
asacsebner: try the cat i told you22:03
asacwith the -22:03
asacfta: how much mem?22:03
asactakes ffox?22:03
nikolamfta, with seamonkey, you can have even more tabs in window :)22:03
asacwhats the status of sm 2?22:04
sebnerasac: sry, what do you mean with the "-" ?22:04
asacsebner: instead of the filename use -22:05
asacand then prepend that command with cat yourfile.wav | lame ....22:05
ftaUSER       PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND22:07
ftafta      21144 22.1 27.2 846856 564396 ?       Rl   14:52 109:36 /usr/lib/firefox-3.1b2pre/firefox-3.122:07
asacsebner:  in k3b there are two lame encoders22:11
asacone uses the lib and one uses the external command22:12
asacmaybe you can switch to the lib thing?22:12
asaca switch somewhere?22:12
sebnerasac: never found something like that22:12
asacwhere you can say that it should use a different plugin for encoding to mp3?22:12
asacsebner: look for plugins22:12
asacin preferences or optios or something22:12
sebnerasac: lame isn't mentioned there ;)22:12
sebnersebner@ubuntu:~/Desktop/  - My CD$ cat 01\ -\ Bill\ Bailey.wav | lame - -h --tt "Bill Bailey" --ta --tl "My CD" --ty 0 --tc "/home/sebner/Desktop// - My CD/01 - Bill Bailey.mp3"22:13
sebnerLAME 3.98 32bits (http://www.mp3dev.org/)22:14
sebnerCPU features: MMX (ASM used), SSE (ASM used), SSE222:14
sebnerUsing polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 16538 Hz - 17071 Hz22:14
sebnerEncoding <stdin> to My CD22:14
sebnerEncoding as 44.1 kHz j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III (11x) 128 kbps qval=222:14
sebnerasac: no I have in the same folder a My CD.mp322:14
asacsebner: http://paste.ubuntu.com/65410/22:15
asactry that patch against k3b22:15
asacsebner: you forgot the "cat"22:15
asacin fron tof everything22:15
asacat best rename your file to something without whitespaces to test22:16
sebnerasac: nope22:16
asacjust a tipp :-P22:16
asacanyway ... test that patch22:16
asacmight work22:16
sebnerasac: /me = testing22:16
* sebner doesn't have a chroot yet :\22:16
asacsebner: you dont need chroot22:16
asacsudo apt-get build-dep k3b and there you go22:16
sebnerthat's so messy22:17
sebner^^22:17
asacapt-get source k3b; cd k3b-*/; patch -o0 < /tmp/mypatch.patch22:17
asacsebner: thats the fate if one doesnt have a chroot at hand22:17
sebnerasac: I know, no stress ^^22:17
asac;)22:17
asac-p022:17
sebnerasac: you forgot debuild :P22:18
asacsebner: debuild is for the weak ;)22:18
sebnerlol22:18
sebnerasac: and what's for the strong ones? ^^22:19
asacfakeroot make -f ./debian/rules binary maybe ?22:19
asacbut thats probably not equivalent with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b22:19
sebnerthat's not for the strong ones. this is for the dirty ones :P22:19
asacsebner: strong ones do apt-get install ;)22:20
* sebner loves his deubild22:20
sebner*debuild22:20
asacif you mean those strong ones ;)22:20
sebnerasac: lol22:20
* sebner should't use the Main servers ^ ^22:20
asacreal strong ones do a diff.gz manually, type a quick and dirty .dsc and changes, sign that and then upload to ppas ;)22:21
sebnerasac: mighty canoncial/core dev guys can do that :P22:22
asacactually quite good ... edit the diff.gz ... add the patch hunk, and then sign and upload ;)22:22
asacrecreate dsc and changes or replace the checksums manually ;)22:23
sebnerhrhr22:24
sebneryou geek you :P22:24
asacso did the build finish?22:24
* sebner just changed the archive server xD22:24
sebnernow building22:26
ftaasac, https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/palmer/+history22:27
ftaasac, obviously, it's not ready ;)22:27
sebnerfta: pretty b0rken22:27
asacfta: yeah. actually i think that toolchain folks love this time ;) ... just messing around with the archive ;)22:27
sebnerasac: well, at the beginning of intrepid cycle they had a lot fun, remember? ^^22:28
asacwas it disruptive?22:28
asaci was stuck with hardy for some time ;)22:29
sebnervery very very disruptive22:29
sebnerthey opened the archive where still everything was b0rken22:29
asaci can't remember that fta wasn't here because of a broken system :)22:29
sebnerneeded 2-3 days to fix that22:29
asacyeah well. upgrading in the first week is definitly only for the bravest ;)22:30
ftai usually jump the minute the repo is public22:30
asacand craziest ;)22:30
sebnerasac: like me then xD22:30
sebnerfta: highfive22:30
asacfta: was intrepid disruptive? i remember gnomefreak having issues.22:31
ftaasac, not for me22:31
sebnerasac: not for users but for the build machines =)22:31
asacok but probably you just held back stuff until things settled22:31
asacand didnt run dist-upgrade blindly ;)22:31
asacsebner: so did this build finish?22:32
sebnerasac: nope, /me shouldn't use his beloved debuild everytime xD22:32
ftaApr 28 22:03:29 <fta>   http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/22:33
ftaApr 28 23:30:43 <fta>   fta@ix:~ $ lsb_release -c22:33
ftaApr 28 23:30:43 <fta>   Codename:       intrepid22:33
asacwell debuild isnt much slower than the rest22:33
sebnerasac: then k3b takes that long. maybe it recognises that I'm a gnome user xD22:33
ftaOct 18 23:19:44 <Ubulette>      http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/22:34
ftaOct 18 23:19:50 <Ubulette>      :)22:34
ftaOct 18 23:20:05 <Ubulette>      goodbye gutsy22:34
asaci remember that one ;)22:34
sebnerlol22:34
asacis there a feature in gmail to share inboxes?22:35
sebnerdh_* :D22:35
ftatime to reactivate getubuversions.sh22:36
sebnerfta: what's that?22:37
ftaa script watching for new distros ;)22:37
ftai'll get an email22:37
sebnerasac: now going to test k3b22:38
sebnerasac: nah, crap not working :{22:40
sebneroff22:42
ftahm, it's already open.. depending on which host the dns gives me22:42
sebnergn822:42
asack22:43
asacsebner: i think its a differnt thing anyway22:43
asacthats really dumb ;)22:44
asacQStringList params = QStringList::split( ' ', d->cmd.command, false );22:44
asaci cant believe that that ever worked ;)22:44
ftalol22:44
asacsebner: so look why you are now using that plugin22:44
asacits definitly something that cant really work for anthing with whitespace22:45
asacso i assume that wasnt used before ;)22:45
asacmy current guess: LAME is not properly enabled in configure22:45
ftahm, songbird now asks you to accept a license when you post a patch in bugzilla !???22:53
asacheh22:55
asacquite attractive22:55
ftai don't like that22:56
ftastevel, ^^22:56
asacfta: ask for license or copyright assignment?22:57
asaclicense is probably ok22:58
ftahttp://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/sb-bugzilla.png22:58
ftait appears when i checked "patch"22:59
ftahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/65429/23:00
ftaasac, ^^23:04
ftamozilla bug 46259823:16
ubottuMozilla bug 462598 in General "about:rights text in nightlies is showing text for branded builds" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46259823:16
ftaasac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/karma-asac.txt23:19
stevelfta: yeah - it's you giving *us* a license to use your code though23:23
ftastevel, i don't like the "past, present, future"23:24
directhex"us"? stevel is a songbird dev?23:24
directhexfta, all your code are belong to us!23:24
directhexwell. "them"23:24
stevelfta: yeah that's a bit unnecessary... we can probably change that so the scope is just the current patch23:25
steveldirecthex: yeah23:25
ftait's even worse than the eula used by firefox23:25
stevelfta: honestly, our legal firm are somewhat overzealous.23:26
ftastevel, i will stop filling bugs and posting patches, at least for now23:26
ftastevel, sorry but it's not acceptable for me23:26
stevelkinda sucks, we're too small to have any legal people ourselves... so we rely on an outside legal firm... but they're hired to be the most protective of us (Songbird), so they tend to err on the annoyingly-conservative side23:26
stevelfta: please at least continue to file bugs, if not attach patches23:27
stevelfta: i'll try to see if i can get that agreement text amended23:27
* stevel hates legal stuff. gets in the way of actually writing interesting code23:28
ftastevel, well, i'm not sure i want to continue to work on that project in those conditions. i stopped working on flock for similar reasons.23:28
stevelfta: don't stop, your feedback helps us at least get this stuff fixed23:29
stevelwhen you find stuff like this, it gives me ammunition to go try and get it changed so we don't have roadblocks to external contribution23:29
ftastevel, http://bugzilla.songbirdnest.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1326523:33
ubottubugzilla.songbirdnest.com bug 13265 in Platform "Cannot execute using a symlink" [Major,Unconfirmed]23:33
stevelthat's a cool bot :)23:33
ftahm, songbird bug 1326523:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 13265 in evolution "Evolution changes attachment filenames" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1326523:34
asacfta: thanks for the stats ;)23:34
ftahm, songbirdnest bug 1326523:34
stevelfta: thanks, i've fired off an email to our execs to see if we can change the text (or better yet, remove it entirely)23:34
asacstevel: dont let the legal folks own you ;)23:36
stevelasac: heh, i try not to... but i can't win every battle :(23:36
asacstevel: well, if thats the start then the end is scary ;)23:37
ftaasac, these stats are updated daily, shortly after midnight23:38
stevelasac: tough to say... when i was at Sun, it was a little easier to work with the legal team because they were at least in house and you didn't have to worry about billing and all that23:38
stevelworking with an external law firm is more of a pain because every hour i waste emailing or yelling over the phone is some awful exorbitant $$$23:38
asacstevel: heh. well, at least java took quite some time ;)23:39
asac... and still in progress :-D23:39
stevelideally Songbird gets huge, and we hire some in-house lawyer to handle all of this instead of having a lowly dev like myself work with an external firm23:39
stevelasac: yeah, BUT, there were a LOT of issues with Java & OpenSolaris in terms of third party IP, and getting companies to agree to having their code open sourced23:39
asacfta: you could file bugs for songbird in launchpad project bug tracker ;)23:43
ftait's useless23:43
asacfta: whats useless?23:43
ftaposting sb bugs in lp23:44
ftawho will read them?23:44
asacwhy ;) ... better than not posting at all. as long as songbird devs know they can look :)23:44
asacfta: of course. still the bugs would be preserved for the world ;)23:44
steveli'd still argue that it's worth it to file bugs in our bugzilla, even if you don't want to attach a patch23:44
ftawell, i posted 3 bugs in the last few days, they are all UNCONFIRMED23:46
stevelfta: our QA guys are totally backlogged trying to push 1.0 out23:46
stevelwe're trying to push a release candidate today, so everyone is super stressed with work at the moment23:47

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