[00:05] <saivann> asac : Yes, bug is still open for thunderbird in intrepid
[00:05] <saivann> asac : bug 194970
[00:06] <asac> saivann: isa that because i missed the merge or because there was no upstream release after merge?
[00:15] <saivann> asac : I might not remember correctly, but I think that you said to me that you would merge the branch in your local branch. However, the current thunderbird in Intrepid does not include that fix.
[00:17] <saivann> asac : This is not the most important issue, do you want me to re-upload a updated branch and remember you this bug in a few months for Jaunty?
[00:21] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/64902/
[00:22] <fta> oops, wrong
[00:22] <fta> i should read
[00:23] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/64903/
[00:48] <fta> [reed], mozilla Bug 462467
[08:59] <asac> saivann: no its fine. i will merge it a bit later today
[11:47] <asac> @time
[12:32] <armin76> @bumb
[12:32] <armin76> asac: i got an arm :D
[12:44] <fta> i was born with two ;)
[13:09] <lesshaste> hi
[13:09] <lesshaste> firefox no longers starts... it appears to be running but it doesn't actually come up so I can see it
[13:09] <lesshaste> I can paste an output of strace if that might help?
[13:13] <asac> armin76: cool ... put ubuntu on it ;)
[13:21] <armin76> asac: hahahaha :D
[13:21] <armin76> asac: is there an arm port? :P
[13:21] <armin76> besides, to make you happy, its running debian
[13:21] <armin76> until i compile all the stuff i need to put gentoo
[13:21] <asac> armin76: oh thats cool ;)
[13:27] <asac> damn
[13:27] <asac> second xulrunner orig upload hangs on last K
[13:28] <asac> one more try :(
[13:36] <fta> asac, mozilla Bug 462467 :)
[13:37] <fta> [reed], ^^
[13:38] <asac> yeah if my net would deliver me anything i could probably do something ;)
[13:39] <fta> no need, i got a r+, i just need someone to commit it
[13:40] <fta> or do i need a sr+ too ?
[13:40] <asac> fta: depends on what the current branch rules are
[13:40] <asac> fta: and who did the review
[13:41] <asac> if it was a superreviewer then you dont need a sr afaict
[13:41] <fta> luser
[13:41] <asac> fta: if this upload doesnt work, i need you to upload a orig i guess ;)
[13:42] <asac> i mean ... the first build1 one :)
[13:43] <fta> np
[13:49] <asac> sigh ... first thing after this upload will be a modem and router reset
[13:51] <fta> hm, ff3.1 freeze while trying to open a pdf with evince
[13:51] <fta> mozilla bug 460933
[13:52] <asac> fta: http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showbuilds.cgi?tree=Firefox + http://developer.mozilla.org/en/mozilla-central#mozilla-central_tree_rules
[14:54] <Shanix_> hi all, I have an issue with the extra large space on firefox, tried all the uninstall, reinstall, but none works
[14:54] <Shanix_> it looks like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6057400
[14:54] <Shanix_> is there any way to debug this?
[14:56] <asac> Shanix_: first thing: check that all extensions you have are disabled/uninstalled
[14:56] <asac> Shanix_: second thing would be to see what font you are using
[14:56] <asac> maybe you have set something custom there
[14:57] <asac> Shanix_: the other thing I could think of might be a combination of font and zoom
[14:57] <asac> do the spaces get smaller when you zoom out?
[14:57] <Shanix_> asac, I even remove the profile and recreate it, but doesn't help either
[14:57] <asac> Shanix_: well. you could have gnome settings
[14:57] <asac> for the fonts
[14:58] <Shanix_> asac, the strangest thing is that even if I login with different user (new user), but firefox still looks like that
[14:58] <Shanix_> I changed all the fonts to the default Ubuntu font
[14:58] <Shanix_> and it is only happen on firefox
[14:59] <asac> Shanix_: have you tried  a live CD?
[14:59] <asac> does it look ok there?
[14:59] <Shanix_> asac, yes, it looks ok on the live CD
[15:00] <asac> Shanix_: just shooting: 1) try a different language? ensure that you really have the default fonts installed and not any other fonts
[15:01] <Shanix_> asac, on the gnome or ?
[15:01] <asac> Shanix_: do you have anything in /usr/local/lib ?
[15:02] <asac> Shanix_: yes language: just use plain english ;) (unless you used livecd with your locale)=
[15:02] <Shanix_> asac, yes, eclipse, gtk-2.0, pythong2.5, site_ruby
[15:03] <asac> Shanix_: dump that
[15:03] <asac> remove everything from there
[15:03] <Shanix_> ok
[15:03] <asac> at least gtk2
[15:03] <asac> but at best everything as you otherwise might miss things
[15:03] <asac> you could rename the whole /usr/local folder to test
[15:03] <asac> (remember to restart everythign after that)
[15:09] <Shanix_> no, unfortunately, still appear to be the same
[15:10] <Shanix_> rename the /usr/local, restart X
[15:11] <asac> not sure. hard to figure that out. have you tried with all the language stuff removed?
[15:13] <asac> this surealy looks like a font thing ... either its pango/cairo or something locale related. mostlikely a combination of all with not default fonts installed
[15:14] <asac> Shanix_: it looks a bit like the font isnt scaled at all for you ... while everything else gets stretcehd
[15:14] <Shanix_> i only have the english language left now, others has been removed.
[15:14] <asac> maybe its as simple that you dont use a scalable font at all
[15:15] <Shanix_> asac, the application font that I used is Sans
[15:17] <Shanix_> so firefox is using the font from gnome, right?
[15:18] <Shanix_> the language on firefox shows xulrunner en-GB
[15:23] <Shanix_> so, if I rename the /usr/share/fonts
[15:23] <Shanix_> the font definitely looks different now ...
[16:47] <asac> mozilla bug 439252
[20:23] <crimsun> [reed]: Flash 10 with minefield on intrepid?  using pulseaudio?  with libasound2-plugins from my PPA installed?
[20:23] <fta> lol, a crazy guy: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1885588
[20:45] <asac> fta: where is my karma graph?
[20:45] <asac> ;)
[20:48] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/65387/
[20:50] <fta> mozilla bug 456439
[20:52] <fta> asac, should i drop your patch?
[20:52] <fta> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=345662
[20:52] <asac> good
[20:52] <asac> even translatable all the bits
[20:53] <asac> so maybe we get a similar landing in 3.0.5 .... but i doubt it as there are a bunch of new strings
[21:06] <sebner> asac: is the flash -> sometimes gray boxes bug already known?
[21:06] <asac> sebner: probably nspluginwrapper related.
[21:06] <asac> have no bug id at hand
[21:07] <sebner> asac: So it's getting better if I install nspluginwrapper? /me also hasn't found a bug for it bug saw someone complaining and as I have the same sometimes (not reproduceable) ...
[21:13] <asac> sebner: err. i mean its get worse _with_ nspluginwrapper
[21:13] <asac> sebner: are you not using it?
[21:19] <sebner> asac: nope ^^
[21:19] <asac> sebner: well. general bustage then most likely
[21:20] <asac> flashplugin isnt really the most stable thing on earth. could be that it hangs in alsa ;)
[21:20] <crimsun> I'm happy to blame it on Flash ;-)
[21:20] <sebner> asac: hrhr. Well, normal users recomment reinstalling to fix it. anyway I don't have it that often. maybe 1 in 20 times
[21:21] <asac> reinstalling for fixing?
[21:21] <asac> doesn't sound dangerous ;) ... but useless
[21:21] <asac> that must be on forums :)
[21:21] <sebner> hehe
[21:21] <sebner> dunno
[21:22] <asac> sebner: could you try with upstream firefox build?
[21:22] <sebner> asac: grr I should go back to XP xD. k3b has also a bug. no mp3 ripping anymore :(
[21:22] <sebner> asac: sure
[21:22] <asac> is k3b in main?
[21:23] <sebner> asac: yes
[21:23] <sebner> why?
[21:23] <asac> not sure ;) ... i think i never used it
[21:23] <sebner> asac: well, I don't suppose you are a kde guy that can fix that so I wasn't asking ;)
[21:23] <asac> try to rip an open format
[21:24] <asac> better not ;)
[21:24] <sebner> asac: tell my sister :O
[21:24] <asac> does the gnome thing work?=
[21:25] <sebner> asac: soundjuicer? dunno. but it's working with grip (slowly but working), so it's a k3b issue. anyway, my sister only wants k3b xD
[21:25] <asac> tell here that choice and learning new things is good and healthy ;)
[21:25] <asac> tell her
[21:26] <sebner> asac: I gave that up a long time ago ;)
[21:26] <sebner> asac: and btw, YOU are a canoncial guy. so instead of telling me things you should fix it ^^
[21:28] <asac> sebner: you shouldnt upgrade system of simple users right on release day
[21:29] <asac> at least my opinion ;)
[21:29] <sebner> asac: well, be honest ... If I don't push any MOTU towards (my) bug that also wouldn't be fixed in 2 months ;)
[21:29] <asac> a follower shouldnt be made a "innovator" :)
[21:30] <asac> sebner: you should file the bug upstream too
[21:30] <asac> sebner: or ping kubuntu folks ;)
[21:30] <sebner> asac: sure, upstream seems to be semi-dead though
[21:31] <asac> where is the bug? :-Ü
[21:31] <sebner> asac: yeah I know. but I was just here and thought canoncial guys are mighty :P
[21:31] <sebner> bug 249642 | asac
[21:32] <sebner> arggh
[21:32] <sebner> sry
[21:32] <sebner> wrong one
[21:32] <sebner> bug 267399
[21:33] <asac> sebner: so that program doesnt work at all?
[21:33] <sebner> asac: it's working perfectly well. just ripping to MP3 isn't working ^^
[21:34] <asac> sebner: what other use-cases does it cover?
[21:34] <sebner> asac: pardon?
[21:35] <asac> sebner: nevermind. what is the output on the command line exactly? (or whereever the error named in the bug comes from)
[21:36] <sebner> asac: well output from terminal doesn't say anything. K3b says: Start reading dist ,..  Then "Borken command: lame -h --tt ............ "
[21:36] <asac> not promissing ... archive.ubuntu.com still doesnt answer for me
[21:36] <asac> oh now
[21:39] <asac> sebner: what is ......
[21:39] <asac> what happens if you run that commadn manually
[21:40] <sebner> asac: ..... <-- is CD title, track title etc. didn't try that yet. I just know that lame is working (with grip, or I can start it manually)
[21:40] <fta> asac, congrats, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/karma.png
[21:41] <asac> sigh
[21:41] <asac> quite interesting
[21:41] <fta> the hole is my dead hd + the disastrous hardy->intrepid upgrade
[21:41] <asac> i worked like 5 days all the time on bugs
[21:41] <asac> but it just boosted ... then only crawled
[21:41] <fta> i'm now polling the detail
[21:41] <sebner> lol
[21:41] <asac> most likely a bzr downturn
[21:42] <asac> maybe i should focus on bzr work again ;)
[21:43] <sebner> asac: when I try the commands with lame in the terminal the result is:
[21:44] <sebner> lame: excess arg CD
[21:44] <asac> i cannot help you if you dont post the complete command ... really
[21:44] <asac> ;)
[21:44] <sebner> asac: sebner@ubuntu:~$ lame -h --tt Bill Bailey --ta --tl My CD --ty 0 --tc -/home/sebner/Desktop// - My CD/01 - Bill Bailey.mp3
[21:44] <sebner>   :P
[21:45] <fta> use quotes around the filename
[21:45] <asac> sebner: well you definitly have to put the whitespaced content in " "
[21:45] <asac> yeah
[21:45] <asac> quotes
[21:45] <asac> aroudn everything that has whitespaces
[21:45] <sebner> ^^
[21:45] <sebner> just did that what k3b showed me
[21:45] <asac> no clue if -/home/sebner is valid
[21:45] <asac> i would think its none-sense
[21:46] <fta> same
[21:46] <asac> sebner: yes, but dont be a bot. things that are one argument needs to be quoted
[21:46] <sebner> true
[21:46] <asac> so lame -h --tt "Bill Bailey" --ta --tl "My CD" --ty 0 --tc "/home/sebner/Desktop// - My CD/01 - Bill Bailey.mp3
[21:47] <asac> "
[21:47] <asac> i would think
[21:47] <sebner> Cannot find MY Cd
[21:47] <sebner> when I change it to "dev/cdrom"
[21:47] <asac>             "usage: %s [options] <infile> [outfile]\n"
[21:47] <asac>             "\n"
[21:47] <asac>             "    <infile> and/or <outfile> can be \"-\", which means stdin/stdout.\n"
[21:47] <sebner> Warning: unsupported audio format
[21:47] <asac> so - is stdin
[21:48] <asac> maybe you just missed a whitespace
[21:49] <sebner> don't think so
[21:49] <sebner> still
[21:49] <sebner> Warning: unsupported audio format
[21:49] <asac> sebner: where is your source? a CD?
[21:49] <sebner> asac: yes
[21:49] <asac> try --cd then
[21:50] <asac> lame -h --cd --tt "Bill Bailey" --ta --tl "My CD" --ty 0 --tc "/home/sebner/Desktop// - My CD/01 - Bill Bailey.mp3"
[21:50] <asac> or something
[21:50] <sebner> asac: I think instead of "My CD" I have to use the path to the CD ;) .. still unsupported format.
[21:51] <asac> anyway if that doesnt no
[21:51] <asac> no
[21:51] <asac> ;)
[21:51] <asac> thats the title
[21:51] <asac>            "    --tt <title>    audio/song title (max 30 chars for version 1 tag)\n"
[21:51] <asac>             "    --ta <artist>   audio/song artist (max 30 chars for version 1 tag)\n"
[21:51] <asac>             "    --tl <album>    audio/song album (max 30 chars for version 1 tag)\n"
[21:52] <sebner> but why then
[21:52] <sebner> Could not find "My CD".
[21:52] <asac> sebner: well. most likely because it has no input at all
[21:53] <asac> sebner: study the manpage of lame ... would be good to know if its really something missing
[21:53] <asac> like a code or something
[21:53] <asac> but for that we need to know that we run it properly ;)
[21:53] <sebner> asac: /me is interested in how lame gets an input source
[21:55] <asac> sebner: seems you need a .wav first
[21:56] <sebner> asac: Did I mention that it worked (with Hardy) ^^
[21:57] <fta> i386      0 builds waiting in queue
[21:57] <fta> 	palmer 	AUTO 	Building i386 build of inline-octave 0.22-3ubuntu1 in ubuntu jaunty RELEASE
[21:57] <fta> 	rothera 	AUTO 	Building i386 build of ggz-python 0.0.14.1-1 in ubuntu jaunty RELEASE
[21:57] <fta> \o/
[21:57] <asac> icedax
[21:57] <asac> sebner: ^^
[21:57] <asac> to dump CDs to wavs
[21:57] <asac> then cat /tmp/your.wav | lame (command from above)
[21:57] <fta> why do that manually, there are tons of GUIs
[21:58] <asac> fta: we want to see what happens with lame on the command line ;)
[21:58] <sebner> asac: tomorrow or something like that ^^. but thx for your help (also that this isn't your area normally). /me will try to find a kde guy anyway
[21:58] <fta> oh
[21:58] <asac> fta: because k3b (a gui) chokes and only says that the lame command files
[21:58] <asac> fails
[21:58] <sebner> fta: but it was working in hardy
[21:58] <asac> sebner: could you plese finish that?
[21:58] <asac> i mean its two things ;)
[21:59] <asac> and then post that in bug.
[21:59] <asac> fta: jaunty official or ppa?
[21:59] <fta> official
[21:59] <sebner> asac: I rip it with k3b to wave :P
[21:59] <fta> so i guess ppa too
[22:00] <fta> asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds
[22:00] <asac> sebner: yeah ... once you have wav do the above
[22:00] <asac> sebner: if that works k3b just does wrong and should be easy to fix
[22:00] <fta> i'm surprised the toolchain is ready so soon
[22:00] <asac> if not we know the source and probably its a new command line options or something
[22:00] <sebner> asac: but how can such a thing change from hardy -> intrepid
[22:01] <asac> fta: sure that the archive is open?
[22:01] <asac> sebner: simple: lame is a new version -> new command line options, old dropped
[22:01] <sebner> asac: release schedule says jaunty opens at 5th nov
[22:01] <fta> asac, if the builders build, there's a repo somewhere
[22:01] <asac> or k3b is new, but lame wasnt updated -> new command line options are not yet suppored
[22:02] <asac> fta: yeah but might be bootstrapping things
[22:02] <fta> damn, i have 113 tabs
[22:02] <asac> or test builds
[22:02] <asac> or something
[22:02] <asac> i dont know the exact bootstrapping procedure
[22:02] <sebner> asac: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRKKKKKINNNNNNNNGGGGGGGG
[22:02] <sebner> xD
[22:02] <sebner> lame Desktop/\ \ -\ My\ CD/01\ -\ Bill\ Bailey.wav -h --tt "Bill Bailey" --ta --tl "My CD" --ty 0 --tc "/home/sebner/Desktop// - My CD/01 - Bill Bailey.mp3"
[22:02] <sebner> produces a My CD.mp3 in my home
[22:02] <nikolam> fta, :)
[22:03] <asac> sebner: try the cat i told you
[22:03] <asac> with the -
[22:03] <asac> fta: how much mem?
[22:03] <asac> takes ffox?
[22:03] <nikolam> fta, with seamonkey, you can have even more tabs in window :)
[22:04] <asac> whats the status of sm 2?
[22:04] <sebner> asac: sry, what do you mean with the "-" ?
[22:05] <asac> sebner: instead of the filename use -
[22:05] <asac> and then prepend that command with cat yourfile.wav | lame ....
[22:07] <fta> USER       PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
[22:07] <fta> fta      21144 22.1 27.2 846856 564396 ?       Rl   14:52 109:36 /usr/lib/firefox-3.1b2pre/firefox-3.1
[22:11] <asac> sebner:  in k3b there are two lame encoders
[22:12] <asac> one uses the lib and one uses the external command
[22:12] <asac> maybe you can switch to the lib thing?
[22:12] <asac> a switch somewhere?
[22:12] <sebner> asac: never found something like that
[22:12] <asac> where you can say that it should use a different plugin for encoding to mp3?
[22:12] <asac> sebner: look for plugins
[22:12] <asac> in preferences or optios or something
[22:12] <sebner> asac: lame isn't mentioned there ;)
[22:13] <sebner> sebner@ubuntu:~/Desktop/  - My CD$ cat 01\ -\ Bill\ Bailey.wav | lame - -h --tt "Bill Bailey" --ta --tl "My CD" --ty 0 --tc "/home/sebner/Desktop// - My CD/01 - Bill Bailey.mp3"
[22:14] <sebner> LAME 3.98 32bits (http://www.mp3dev.org/)
[22:14] <sebner> CPU features: MMX (ASM used), SSE (ASM used), SSE2
[22:14] <sebner> Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 16538 Hz - 17071 Hz
[22:14] <sebner> Encoding <stdin> to My CD
[22:14] <sebner> Encoding as 44.1 kHz j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III (11x) 128 kbps qval=2
[22:14] <sebner> asac: no I have in the same folder a My CD.mp3
[22:15] <asac> sebner: http://paste.ubuntu.com/65410/
[22:15] <asac> try that patch against k3b
[22:15] <asac> sebner: you forgot the "cat"
[22:15] <asac> in fron tof everything
[22:16] <asac> at best rename your file to something without whitespaces to test
[22:16] <sebner> asac: nope
[22:16] <asac> just a tipp :-P
[22:16] <asac> anyway ... test that patch
[22:16] <asac> might work
[22:16] <sebner> asac: /me = testing
[22:16]  * sebner doesn't have a chroot yet :\
[22:16] <asac> sebner: you dont need chroot
[22:16] <asac> sudo apt-get build-dep k3b and there you go
[22:17] <sebner> that's so messy
[22:17] <sebner> ^^
[22:17] <asac> apt-get source k3b; cd k3b-*/; patch -o0 < /tmp/mypatch.patch
[22:17] <asac> sebner: thats the fate if one doesnt have a chroot at hand
[22:17] <sebner> asac: I know, no stress ^^
[22:17] <asac> ;)
[22:17] <asac> -p0
[22:18] <sebner> asac: you forgot debuild :P
[22:18] <asac> sebner: debuild is for the weak ;)
[22:18] <sebner> lol
[22:19] <sebner> asac: and what's for the strong ones? ^^
[22:19] <asac> fakeroot make -f ./debian/rules binary maybe ?
[22:19] <asac> but thats probably not equivalent with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
[22:19] <sebner> that's not for the strong ones. this is for the dirty ones :P
[22:20] <asac> sebner: strong ones do apt-get install ;)
[22:20]  * sebner loves his deubild
[22:20] <sebner> *debuild
[22:20] <asac> if you mean those strong ones ;)
[22:20] <sebner> asac: lol
[22:20]  * sebner should't use the Main servers  ^ ^
[22:21] <asac> real strong ones do a diff.gz manually, type a quick and dirty .dsc and changes, sign that and then upload to ppas ;)
[22:22] <sebner> asac: mighty canoncial/core dev guys can do that :P
[22:22] <asac> actually quite good ... edit the diff.gz ... add the patch hunk, and then sign and upload ;)
[22:23] <asac> recreate dsc and changes or replace the checksums manually ;)
[22:24] <sebner> hrhr
[22:24] <sebner> you geek you :P
[22:24] <asac> so did the build finish?
[22:24]  * sebner just changed the archive server xD
[22:26] <sebner> now building
[22:27] <fta> asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/palmer/+history
[22:27] <fta> asac, obviously, it's not ready ;)
[22:27] <sebner> fta: pretty b0rken
[22:27] <asac> fta: yeah. actually i think that toolchain folks love this time ;) ... just messing around with the archive ;)
[22:28] <sebner> asac: well, at the beginning of intrepid cycle they had a lot fun, remember? ^^
[22:28] <asac> was it disruptive?
[22:29] <asac> i was stuck with hardy for some time ;)
[22:29] <sebner> very very very disruptive
[22:29] <sebner> they opened the archive where still everything was b0rken
[22:29] <asac> i can't remember that fta wasn't here because of a broken system :)
[22:29] <sebner> needed 2-3 days to fix that
[22:30] <asac> yeah well. upgrading in the first week is definitly only for the bravest ;)
[22:30] <fta> i usually jump the minute the repo is public
[22:30] <asac> and craziest ;)
[22:30] <sebner> asac: like me then xD
[22:30] <sebner> fta: highfive
[22:31] <asac> fta: was intrepid disruptive? i remember gnomefreak having issues.
[22:31] <fta> asac, not for me
[22:31] <sebner> asac: not for users but for the build machines =)
[22:31] <asac> ok but probably you just held back stuff until things settled
[22:31] <asac> and didnt run dist-upgrade blindly ;)
[22:32] <asac> sebner: so did this build finish?
[22:32] <sebner> asac: nope, /me shouldn't use his beloved debuild everytime xD
[22:33] <fta> Apr 28 22:03:29 <fta>   http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/
[22:33] <fta> Apr 28 23:30:43 <fta>   fta@ix:~ $ lsb_release -c
[22:33] <fta> Apr 28 23:30:43 <fta>   Codename:       intrepid
[22:33] <asac> well debuild isnt much slower than the rest
[22:33] <sebner> asac: then k3b takes that long. maybe it recognises that I'm a gnome user xD
[22:34] <fta> Oct 18 23:19:44 <Ubulette>      http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/
[22:34] <fta> Oct 18 23:19:50 <Ubulette>      :)
[22:34] <fta> Oct 18 23:20:05 <Ubulette>      goodbye gutsy
[22:34] <asac> i remember that one ;)
[22:34] <sebner> lol
[22:35] <asac> is there a feature in gmail to share inboxes?
[22:35] <sebner> dh_* :D
[22:36] <fta> time to reactivate getubuversions.sh
[22:37] <sebner> fta: what's that?
[22:37] <fta> a script watching for new distros ;)
[22:37] <fta> i'll get an email
[22:38] <sebner> asac: now going to test k3b
[22:40] <sebner> asac: nah, crap not working :{
[22:42] <sebner> off
[22:42] <fta> hm, it's already open.. depending on which host the dns gives me
[22:42] <sebner> gn8
[22:43] <asac> k
[22:43] <asac> sebner: i think its a differnt thing anyway
[22:44] <asac> thats really dumb ;)
[22:44] <asac> QStringList params = QStringList::split( ' ', d->cmd.command, false );
[22:44] <asac> i cant believe that that ever worked ;)
[22:44] <fta> lol
[22:44] <asac> sebner: so look why you are now using that plugin
[22:45] <asac> its definitly something that cant really work for anthing with whitespace
[22:45] <asac> so i assume that wasnt used before ;)
[22:45] <asac> my current guess: LAME is not properly enabled in configure
[22:53] <fta> hm, songbird now asks you to accept a license when you post a patch in bugzilla !???
[22:55] <asac> heh
[22:55] <asac> quite attractive
[22:56] <fta> i don't like that
[22:56] <fta> stevel, ^^
[22:57] <asac> fta: ask for license or copyright assignment?
[22:58] <asac> license is probably ok
[22:58] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/sb-bugzilla.png
[22:59] <fta> it appears when i checked "patch"
[23:00] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/65429/
[23:04] <fta> asac, ^^
[23:16] <fta> mozilla bug 462598
[23:19] <fta> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/karma-asac.txt
[23:23] <stevel> fta: yeah - it's you giving *us* a license to use your code though
[23:24] <fta> stevel, i don't like the "past, present, future"
[23:24] <directhex> "us"? stevel is a songbird dev?
[23:24] <directhex> fta, all your code are belong to us!
[23:24] <directhex> well. "them"
[23:25] <stevel> fta: yeah that's a bit unnecessary... we can probably change that so the scope is just the current patch
[23:25] <stevel> directhex: yeah
[23:25] <fta> it's even worse than the eula used by firefox
[23:26] <stevel> fta: honestly, our legal firm are somewhat overzealous.
[23:26] <fta> stevel, i will stop filling bugs and posting patches, at least for now
[23:26] <fta> stevel, sorry but it's not acceptable for me
[23:26] <stevel> kinda sucks, we're too small to have any legal people ourselves... so we rely on an outside legal firm... but they're hired to be the most protective of us (Songbird), so they tend to err on the annoyingly-conservative side
[23:27] <stevel> fta: please at least continue to file bugs, if not attach patches
[23:27] <stevel> fta: i'll try to see if i can get that agreement text amended
[23:28]  * stevel hates legal stuff. gets in the way of actually writing interesting code
[23:28] <fta> stevel, well, i'm not sure i want to continue to work on that project in those conditions. i stopped working on flock for similar reasons.
[23:29] <stevel> fta: don't stop, your feedback helps us at least get this stuff fixed
[23:29] <stevel> when you find stuff like this, it gives me ammunition to go try and get it changed so we don't have roadblocks to external contribution
[23:33] <fta> stevel, http://bugzilla.songbirdnest.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13265
[23:33] <stevel> that's a cool bot :)
[23:34] <fta> hm, songbird bug 13265
[23:34] <asac> fta: thanks for the stats ;)
[23:34] <fta> hm, songbirdnest bug 13265
[23:34] <stevel> fta: thanks, i've fired off an email to our execs to see if we can change the text (or better yet, remove it entirely)
[23:36] <asac> stevel: dont let the legal folks own you ;)
[23:36] <stevel> asac: heh, i try not to... but i can't win every battle :(
[23:37] <asac> stevel: well, if thats the start then the end is scary ;)
[23:38] <fta> asac, these stats are updated daily, shortly after midnight
[23:38] <stevel> asac: tough to say... when i was at Sun, it was a little easier to work with the legal team because they were at least in house and you didn't have to worry about billing and all that
[23:38] <stevel> working with an external law firm is more of a pain because every hour i waste emailing or yelling over the phone is some awful exorbitant $$$
[23:39] <asac> stevel: heh. well, at least java took quite some time ;)
[23:39] <asac> ... and still in progress :-D
[23:39] <stevel> ideally Songbird gets huge, and we hire some in-house lawyer to handle all of this instead of having a lowly dev like myself work with an external firm
[23:39] <stevel> asac: yeah, BUT, there were a LOT of issues with Java & OpenSolaris in terms of third party IP, and getting companies to agree to having their code open sourced
[23:43] <asac> fta: you could file bugs for songbird in launchpad project bug tracker ;)
[23:43] <fta> it's useless
[23:43] <asac> fta: whats useless?
[23:44] <fta> posting sb bugs in lp
[23:44] <fta> who will read them?
[23:44] <asac> why ;) ... better than not posting at all. as long as songbird devs know they can look :)
[23:44] <asac> fta: of course. still the bugs would be preserved for the world ;)
[23:44] <stevel> i'd still argue that it's worth it to file bugs in our bugzilla, even if you don't want to attach a patch
[23:46] <fta> well, i posted 3 bugs in the last few days, they are all UNCONFIRMED
[23:46] <stevel> fta: our QA guys are totally backlogged trying to push 1.0 out
[23:47] <stevel> we're trying to push a release candidate today, so everyone is super stressed with work at the moment