| ryanakca | mdke: d'you have write access to the wiki themes? bug 253931 has been dragging around for three months... | 01:31 |
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| ubot3 | Malone bug 253931 in kubuntu-website "Documentation tab on http://wiki.kubuntu.org/ should be removed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253931 | 01:31 |
| pufuwozu | I really like the http://ubuntu.com/ animations | 03:10 |
| mdke | ryanakca: no, sorry | 06:54 |
| tuxice | mpt? | 11:59 |
| ryanakca | mdke: thanks anyways :) | 13:55 |
| ryanakca | could you take care of bug 253931 and bug 255390 please? | 13:56 |
| ryanakca | newz2000: ^^ | 13:56 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 253931 in kubuntu-website "Documentation tab on http://wiki.kubuntu.org/ should be removed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253931 | 13:56 |
| ubot3 | ryanakca: Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: The read operation timed out | 13:56 |
| newz2000 | hey ryanakca, sorry I missed what was above, you'd like me to make a change to the wiki theme? | 13:57 |
| ryanakca | newz2000: please :) | 13:57 |
| ryanakca | same bugs I emailed you about a few months ago :) | 13:58 |
| * newz2000 hides in shame | 13:58 | |
| newz2000 | let me see if I still have edit permission on the wiki | 13:58 |
| ryanakca | thanks :) | 13:59 |
| newz2000 | it's not looking good, I might need to file an RT to find out how todo this | 14:00 |
| ryanakca | Ok, thanks | 14:01 |
| qense | hello | 15:54 |
| Turl | newz2000, are you there? | 17:49 |
| newz2000 | hey Turl | 17:49 |
| newz2000 | I'm here | 17:49 |
| Turl | please, don't put me in a compromise :p | 17:49 |
| newz2000 | what do you mean? | 17:49 |
| Turl | I received a mail from Kat | 17:50 |
| newz2000 | oh, she's the one I said was so appreciative | 17:50 |
| Turl | she offered me some merchandise as a token of gratitude | 17:50 |
| newz2000 | Wow, that's nice | 17:51 |
| newz2000 | is there something wrong with that? | 17:51 |
| Turl | but I don't want to accept it, I don't think it's necessary nor I (I don't know the english word for it) "merecer" it | 17:51 |
| newz2000 | That's fine, there's no shame in saying, "no thanks." I think it's noble. | 17:52 |
| Turl | ok then :) | 17:52 |
| Turl | I don't know how to write a "no thanks" letter, but I'll try to do my best :p | 17:52 |
| newz2000 | so you're in Argentina, are you by chance in Beunos Aries? (sorry if I misspelled that) | 17:54 |
| Turl | nope, not in Buenos Aires | 17:55 |
| Turl | do you have offices there btw? | 17:56 |
| newz2000 | not quite, there are four people from Canonical there, including one of my favourite web hackers in the company | 17:56 |
| Turl | :) | 17:57 |
| Turl | I used to live in BA | 17:57 |
| Turl | not in the capital city though | 17:57 |
| mdomsch | greetings | 19:08 |
| mdomsch | various fedora folks sent me here after there was some interest expressed in mirrormanager | 19:08 |
| mdomsch | I'm on IRC a good bit, so feel free to grab me anytime to discuss | 19:09 |
| mdomsch | I'd love for Ubuntu to make use of MM as a download redirector for ISOs | 19:09 |
| mdomsch | apt doesn't (presently) handle HTTP 30x redirects (seemingly by design) so it'd be harder to use MM to serve as an apt.sources.d/ entry | 19:10 |
| mdomsch | apt/sources.list.d/ that is | 19:11 |
| mdomsch | if apt grew the ability to retrieve a list of sources (e.g. a mirrorlist), then MM could easily provide such a list to clients on request. | 19:13 |
| newz2000 | mdomsch: thanks for stopping in | 19:19 |
| newz2000 | I'm very interested in investigating it. I've scheduled some time to meet with the IS team (our infrastructure guys) later on this year to work out possible solutions. | 19:19 |
| newz2000 | We're not quite ready yet but it's something we're starting to think about | 19:19 |
| mdomsch | newz2000, ok, poke me if you have questions | 19:20 |
| newz2000 | cool, I will | 19:21 |
| mdomsch | the only real PITA thing about MM is that it needs (at least r/o) access to a copy of the "master" content, however you want to define that | 19:21 |
| mdomsch | to know what remote mirrors should have | 19:21 |
| newz2000 | oh, interesting | 19:21 |
| newz2000 | we actually have something like that now built into launchpad | 19:21 |
| newz2000 | it probes the mirrors continuously to see that they're up to date | 19:22 |
| newz2000 | and it drops mirrors and brings them back up as appropriate | 19:22 |
| mdomsch | yep, MM does exactly taht | 19:22 |
| newz2000 | my interest is in making it easier for people to get CDs | 19:22 |
| newz2000 | I feel there are too many choices on the website | 19:22 |
| newz2000 | I love mozilla's. They have everything filled out in advance so if you want the sane option you just click the big button | 19:23 |
| mdomsch | fedora is moving in that direction too | 19:23 |
| mdomsch | moving all the advanced user options to another page | 19:23 |
| mdomsch | bittorrent, various spins, manual mirror selection, ... | 19:24 |
| newz2000 | the manual mirror selection is my next target | 19:24 |
| mdomsch | metalinks | 19:24 |
| newz2000 | it's challenging because we have a very technical culture and we like to see technical stuff. :-) You know how it is I'm sure. | 19:24 |
| newz2000 | mdomsch: so do you have rules for challenging locales, for example country X has no mirror and has poor international bandwidth unless it goes through Y | 19:26 |
| mdomsch | yes | 19:26 |
| newz2000 | very interesting | 19:26 |
| mdomsch | only a few times we use it though | 19:27 |
| mdomsch | for example, per GeoIP, Israel is part of Asia | 19:27 |
| mdomsch | but it's connectivity is to Europe | 19:27 |
| mdomsch | so, we "move" Israel into the Europe continent list | 19:27 |
| mdomsch | basic algorithm is | 19:28 |
| mdomsch | 1) do you have a mirror on your local network (IP block)? If so, use it | 19:28 |
| mdomsch | 2) do you have a mirror in your country? If so, use it. | 19:28 |
| mdomsch | 3) do you have a mirror on your continent? | 19:28 |
| mdomsch | 4) use a mirror from the global list | 19:28 |
| mdomsch | for each answer above, randomly return one, weighted by the bandwidth that server has | 19:29 |
| newz2000 | That's about what I'd worked out | 19:30 |
| newz2000 | For a while I tested some ajax based javascript that pre-selected an option using similar rules | 19:30 |
| newz2000 | someone convinced me the rules were way too complex though | 19:30 |
| newz2000 | as in my rules weren't complex enough for reality | 19:31 |
| mdomsch | 1b) are you a client on Internet2 or another high-speed research/education network? Try a mirror in your country on same | 19:31 |
| mdomsch | so students at universities and big labs get their bits over I2 | 19:32 |
| mdomsch | NCREN, RedIRIS, NLR, ... | 19:32 |
| newz2000 | mdomsch: so are you a web guy? | 19:33 |
| mdomsch | how so? | 19:33 |
| mdomsch | HTML/CSS, no | 19:33 |
| mdomsch | JavaScript, no | 19:33 |
| mdomsch | (my pages aren't very pretty, and what's there I had help with from graphic artists) | 19:34 |
| mdomsch | http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/ | 19:34 |
| newz2000 | I was thinking more along the lines of "interested in the user experience" | 19:34 |
| newz2000 | I like your system. I like that disk image has a single url. | 19:37 |
| mdomsch | yeah, there are things like that I care a lot about | 19:37 |
| mdomsch | but artwork - I'm lousy at | 19:37 |
| newz2000 | me too | 19:38 |
| newz2000 | mdomsch: where in the world are you located? | 19:38 |
| mdomsch | now note - the single URL trick works great, but hitting it you get a HTTP 30x redirect to one of the mirrors | 19:38 |
| mdomsch | Austin, TX | 19:38 |
| mdomsch | so your client app has to handle redirects - apt doesn't | 19:38 |
| newz2000 | well, the part I'm interested in is downloading CD images | 19:39 |
| mdomsch | all download tools I know of handle redirects | 19:39 |
| mdomsch | browsers, wget, curl, ... | 19:39 |
| newz2000 | indeed | 19:39 |
| newz2000 | I'm in Des Moines Iowa, due north from you. A fellow "central time zone" person | 19:40 |
| * mdomsch grew up in KC | 19:41 | |
| mdomsch | I've been through Des Moines a lot going to MN | 19:42 |
| newz2000 | it's a small world ;-) | 19:42 |
| ryanakca | newz2000: you still redoing the layout of the download page? | 20:00 |
| newz2000 | my download page or yours? | 20:01 |
| ryanakca | newz2000: well, both... you had sent me a penned out mockup and asked for my opinion on it... that one? | 20:01 |
| newz2000 | yes, the ubuntu.com one is done, I did not finish the kubuntu one in time | 20:02 |
| ryanakca | If you change yours, I'll almost surely change mine so that it matches | 20:02 |
| newz2000 | you should check it out, also I blogged about it | 20:02 |
| newz2000 | http://www.bearfruit.org/blog/2008/10/30/the-new-ubuntu-download-page | 20:02 |
| newz2000 | Yours is easier because you only have two versions (no server) | 20:03 |
| newz2000 | did you see the usability test results on the mailing list from Erik (sent yesterday)? | 20:03 |
| newz2000 | very thought provoking feedback | 20:03 |
| * ryanakca has fallen behind on *buntu stuff over the past two weeks, need to catch up | 20:04 | |
| * ryanakca fires up mutt | 20:04 | |
| ryanakca | newz2000: I still think you should apply to Ubuntu Members btw :) | 20:11 |
| newz2000 | yes, I should | 20:11 |
| newz2000 | are you an ubuntu member? | 20:11 |
| ryanakca | newz2000: yes, through kubuntu-members | 20:12 |
| newz2000 | you could blog about my blog post and also about Erik's usability testing. https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2008-October/000475.html | 20:13 |
| newz2000 | it would be interesting to hear broader feedback | 20:13 |
| newz2000 | ah, too bad the formatting of that message was poor | 20:13 |
| ryanakca | *nods*, will do. | 20:13 |
| * ryanakca thinks he'll also try to steal mdke's sweet wiki theme and change the colors to suit Kubuntu some time soon, if it hasn't been done already | 20:17 | |
| newz2000 | I don't think it's been done | 20:18 |
| ryanakca | Erik's thread is quite interesting | 20:20 |
| * ryanakca needs to fix the drupal theme too... it doesn't look it's best in IE6... | 20:21 | |
| ryanakca | anyways, bbiab | 20:21 |
| newz2000 | ttyl | 20:21 |
| newz2000 | wow, pidgin is crashing on me a lot lately | 20:23 |
| Turl | it used to crash more often in intrepid alphas :p | 20:48 |
| newz2000 | well, improvement is good I guess | 20:49 |
| Turl | yeah | 20:50 |
| * Turl tries to set up sendmail | 20:50 | |
| newz2000 | yuck, why sendmail? | 20:51 |
| Turl | erm, it's the best? postfix was too difficult and complicated :p | 20:51 |
| Turl | also, sendmail works in php afaik | 20:51 |
| newz2000 | they all work with php. postfix and exim are both sendmail compatible | 20:52 |
| Turl | qmail? | 20:52 |
| newz2000 | I've never used it. When I evaluated it a while back it was non-free | 20:52 |
| newz2000 | (don't know if it is now or not) | 20:52 |
| Turl | what one would you recommend then? I'm on a debian etch box | 20:52 |
| newz2000 | exim is one of the simplest, but my fav is postfix. | 20:53 |
| newz2000 | sendmail is a major chore to reconfigure with it's m4 files and etc. | 20:53 |
| Turl | postfix is a pain in the neck :p | 20:53 |
| newz2000 | well, for most tasks postfix installation asks you what type of configuration you want. You choose from a list of about four options and you're done. | 20:53 |
| Turl | erm, no user login, no tls, ... | 20:54 |
| newz2000 | well, if you get frustrated with sendmail then maybe try exim. It is probably the simplest out there. | 20:54 |
| Turl | I just need something simple, php compatible that works with vBulletin and it's easy to configure and (not obligation) has a webmin module | 20:55 |
| Turl | and sends mail (no need to receive) | 20:55 |
| newz2000 | ah, if you're using webmin then sendmail will be OK since it hides the gory details | 20:55 |
| newz2000 | I'm running windows in a virtual machine (for web testing) and I think it's locked up and taken one of my virtual desktops with it. :-/ | 20:57 |
| Turl | :p using seamless aren't you? | 20:57 |
| newz2000 | yes | 20:57 |
| Turl | press host key + s | 20:58 |
| Turl | iirc it should make windows a window :p | 20:58 |
| * newz2000 tries | 20:58 | |
| newz2000 | its really frozen. The only thing that works is blindly clicking until you hit the workspace picker applet to get to a diff desktop | 20:59 |
| Turl | hostk + f ? | 21:01 |
| newz2000 | I don't think the window is responding to any keyboard shortcuts. | 21:01 |
| Turl | if it doesn't work then the best solution is change desktop, run a console, sudo htop and kill all those virtualboxes | 21:01 |
| newz2000 | ah | 21:02 |
| newz2000 | computer is happy now. ;-) | 21:02 |
| Turl | beware your windows might break :p (well, there's always the possibility heh, even if idle) | 21:03 |
| Turl | :/ webmin crashed or sth :S | 21:04 |
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