[01:31] mdke: d'you have write access to the wiki themes? bug 253931 has been dragging around for three months... [01:31] Malone bug 253931 in kubuntu-website "Documentation tab on http://wiki.kubuntu.org/ should be removed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253931 [03:10] I really like the http://ubuntu.com/ animations [06:54] ryanakca: no, sorry [11:59] mpt? [13:55] mdke: thanks anyways :) [13:56] could you take care of bug 253931 and bug 255390 please? [13:56] newz2000: ^^ [13:56] Malone bug 253931 in kubuntu-website "Documentation tab on http://wiki.kubuntu.org/ should be removed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253931 [13:56] ryanakca: Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: The read operation timed out [13:57] hey ryanakca, sorry I missed what was above, you'd like me to make a change to the wiki theme? [13:57] newz2000: please :) [13:58] same bugs I emailed you about a few months ago :) [13:58] * newz2000 hides in shame [13:58] let me see if I still have edit permission on the wiki [13:59] thanks :) [14:00] it's not looking good, I might need to file an RT to find out how todo this [14:01] Ok, thanks [15:54] hello [17:49] newz2000, are you there? [17:49] hey Turl [17:49] I'm here [17:49] please, don't put me in a compromise :p [17:49] what do you mean? [17:50] I received a mail from Kat [17:50] oh, she's the one I said was so appreciative [17:50] she offered me some merchandise as a token of gratitude [17:51] Wow, that's nice [17:51] is there something wrong with that? [17:51] but I don't want to accept it, I don't think it's necessary nor I (I don't know the english word for it) "merecer" it [17:52] That's fine, there's no shame in saying, "no thanks." I think it's noble. [17:52] ok then :) [17:52] I don't know how to write a "no thanks" letter, but I'll try to do my best :p [17:54] so you're in Argentina, are you by chance in Beunos Aries? (sorry if I misspelled that) [17:55] nope, not in Buenos Aires [17:56] do you have offices there btw? [17:56] not quite, there are four people from Canonical there, including one of my favourite web hackers in the company [17:57] :) [17:57] I used to live in BA [17:57] not in the capital city though [19:08] greetings [19:08] various fedora folks sent me here after there was some interest expressed in mirrormanager [19:09] I'm on IRC a good bit, so feel free to grab me anytime to discuss [19:09] I'd love for Ubuntu to make use of MM as a download redirector for ISOs [19:10] apt doesn't (presently) handle HTTP 30x redirects (seemingly by design) so it'd be harder to use MM to serve as an apt.sources.d/ entry [19:11] apt/sources.list.d/ that is [19:13] if apt grew the ability to retrieve a list of sources (e.g. a mirrorlist), then MM could easily provide such a list to clients on request. [19:19] mdomsch: thanks for stopping in [19:19] I'm very interested in investigating it. I've scheduled some time to meet with the IS team (our infrastructure guys) later on this year to work out possible solutions. [19:19] We're not quite ready yet but it's something we're starting to think about [19:20] newz2000, ok, poke me if you have questions [19:21] cool, I will [19:21] the only real PITA thing about MM is that it needs (at least r/o) access to a copy of the "master" content, however you want to define that [19:21] to know what remote mirrors should have [19:21] oh, interesting [19:21] we actually have something like that now built into launchpad [19:22] it probes the mirrors continuously to see that they're up to date [19:22] and it drops mirrors and brings them back up as appropriate [19:22] yep, MM does exactly taht [19:22] my interest is in making it easier for people to get CDs [19:22] I feel there are too many choices on the website [19:23] I love mozilla's. They have everything filled out in advance so if you want the sane option you just click the big button [19:23] fedora is moving in that direction too [19:23] moving all the advanced user options to another page [19:24] bittorrent, various spins, manual mirror selection, ... [19:24] the manual mirror selection is my next target [19:24] metalinks [19:24] it's challenging because we have a very technical culture and we like to see technical stuff. :-) You know how it is I'm sure. [19:26] mdomsch: so do you have rules for challenging locales, for example country X has no mirror and has poor international bandwidth unless it goes through Y [19:26] yes [19:26] very interesting [19:27] only a few times we use it though [19:27] for example, per GeoIP, Israel is part of Asia [19:27] but it's connectivity is to Europe [19:27] so, we "move" Israel into the Europe continent list [19:28] basic algorithm is [19:28] 1) do you have a mirror on your local network (IP block)? If so, use it [19:28] 2) do you have a mirror in your country? If so, use it. [19:28] 3) do you have a mirror on your continent? [19:28] 4) use a mirror from the global list [19:29] for each answer above, randomly return one, weighted by the bandwidth that server has [19:30] That's about what I'd worked out [19:30] For a while I tested some ajax based javascript that pre-selected an option using similar rules [19:30] someone convinced me the rules were way too complex though [19:31] as in my rules weren't complex enough for reality [19:31] 1b) are you a client on Internet2 or another high-speed research/education network? Try a mirror in your country on same [19:32] so students at universities and big labs get their bits over I2 [19:32] NCREN, RedIRIS, NLR, ... [19:33] mdomsch: so are you a web guy? [19:33] how so? [19:33] HTML/CSS, no [19:33] JavaScript, no [19:34] (my pages aren't very pretty, and what's there I had help with from graphic artists) [19:34] http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/ [19:34] I was thinking more along the lines of "interested in the user experience" [19:37] I like your system. I like that disk image has a single url. [19:37] yeah, there are things like that I care a lot about [19:37] but artwork - I'm lousy at [19:38] me too [19:38] mdomsch: where in the world are you located? [19:38] now note - the single URL trick works great, but hitting it you get a HTTP 30x redirect to one of the mirrors [19:38] Austin, TX [19:38] so your client app has to handle redirects - apt doesn't [19:39] well, the part I'm interested in is downloading CD images [19:39] all download tools I know of handle redirects [19:39] browsers, wget, curl, ... [19:39] indeed [19:40] I'm in Des Moines Iowa, due north from you. A fellow "central time zone" person [19:41] * mdomsch grew up in KC [19:42] I've been through Des Moines a lot going to MN [19:42] it's a small world ;-) [20:00] newz2000: you still redoing the layout of the download page? [20:01] my download page or yours? [20:01] newz2000: well, both... you had sent me a penned out mockup and asked for my opinion on it... that one? [20:02] yes, the ubuntu.com one is done, I did not finish the kubuntu one in time [20:02] If you change yours, I'll almost surely change mine so that it matches [20:02] you should check it out, also I blogged about it [20:02] http://www.bearfruit.org/blog/2008/10/30/the-new-ubuntu-download-page [20:03] Yours is easier because you only have two versions (no server) [20:03] did you see the usability test results on the mailing list from Erik (sent yesterday)? [20:03] very thought provoking feedback [20:04] * ryanakca has fallen behind on *buntu stuff over the past two weeks, need to catch up [20:04] * ryanakca fires up mutt [20:11] newz2000: I still think you should apply to Ubuntu Members btw :) [20:11] yes, I should [20:11] are you an ubuntu member? [20:12] newz2000: yes, through kubuntu-members [20:13] you could blog about my blog post and also about Erik's usability testing. https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2008-October/000475.html [20:13] it would be interesting to hear broader feedback [20:13] ah, too bad the formatting of that message was poor [20:13] *nods*, will do. [20:17] * ryanakca thinks he'll also try to steal mdke's sweet wiki theme and change the colors to suit Kubuntu some time soon, if it hasn't been done already [20:18] I don't think it's been done [20:20] Erik's thread is quite interesting [20:21] * ryanakca needs to fix the drupal theme too... it doesn't look it's best in IE6... [20:21] anyways, bbiab [20:21] ttyl [20:23] wow, pidgin is crashing on me a lot lately [20:48] it used to crash more often in intrepid alphas :p [20:49] well, improvement is good I guess [20:50] yeah [20:50] * Turl tries to set up sendmail [20:51] yuck, why sendmail? [20:51] erm, it's the best? postfix was too difficult and complicated :p [20:51] also, sendmail works in php afaik [20:52] they all work with php. postfix and exim are both sendmail compatible [20:52] qmail? [20:52] I've never used it. When I evaluated it a while back it was non-free [20:52] (don't know if it is now or not) [20:52] what one would you recommend then? I'm on a debian etch box [20:53] exim is one of the simplest, but my fav is postfix. [20:53] sendmail is a major chore to reconfigure with it's m4 files and etc. [20:53] postfix is a pain in the neck :p [20:53] well, for most tasks postfix installation asks you what type of configuration you want. You choose from a list of about four options and you're done. [20:54] erm, no user login, no tls, ... [20:54] well, if you get frustrated with sendmail then maybe try exim. It is probably the simplest out there. [20:55] I just need something simple, php compatible that works with vBulletin and it's easy to configure and (not obligation) has a webmin module [20:55] and sends mail (no need to receive) [20:55] ah, if you're using webmin then sendmail will be OK since it hides the gory details [20:57] I'm running windows in a virtual machine (for web testing) and I think it's locked up and taken one of my virtual desktops with it. :-/ [20:57] :p using seamless aren't you? [20:57] yes [20:58] press host key + s [20:58] iirc it should make windows a window :p [20:58] * newz2000 tries [20:59] its really frozen. The only thing that works is blindly clicking until you hit the workspace picker applet to get to a diff desktop [21:01] hostk + f ? [21:01] I don't think the window is responding to any keyboard shortcuts. [21:01] if it doesn't work then the best solution is change desktop, run a console, sudo htop and kill all those virtualboxes [21:02] ah [21:02] computer is happy now. ;-) [21:03] beware your windows might break :p (well, there's always the possibility heh, even if idle) [21:04] :/ webmin crashed or sth :S