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brycesuperm1: see my comment to 214840 - does that look okay?  If so, I'll do that on all 2.6.22 and 2.6.24 fglrx bugs00:53
superm1bryce, yeah that should leave people with a warm fuzzy feeling too05:30
superm1sounds good05:30
superm1well maybe not fuzzy, but at least warm05:31
bryceok, that hit about 70 bugs05:35
wgrantbryce: Wow, you got -synaptics down to 40 bugs. Nicely done.05:58
brycewgrant: unfortunately it was a script error05:59
bryceclosed all Incomplete bugs, not just ones that were >60 days05:59
brycesilly python.06:00
wgrantbryce: It left some untouched...06:00
wgrantAnd those that were closed had been incomplete for a while. And the reporter can always reopen them.06:00
brycewgrant: ok, I'm just spot checking and definitely have found some errors06:01
wgrantI love some users.06:01
wgrantuser: "Ubuntu 8.10 should focus on making input devices work."06:01
wgrantdev: "Well then, please try your touchpad in Intrepid"06:01
wgrantuser: "I think you should fix it in Ubuntu 8.04"06:02
wgrantWell, thanks.06:02
wgrantDon't actually bother to confirm that it's at all fixed.06:02
wgrantThat would be too easy.06:02
bryceheh06:04
brycemy favorites are, "This is a complete showstopper.  It is unacceptable that <blah blah>."06:05
wgrantI'M GOING BACK TO WINDOWS!06:06
bryce:-D06:07
bryceheh, a lot of these it appears I set to Incomplete on the 10th, so 20 days to respond isn't _too_ bad.  I think I can leave a lot of these expired, and hand wave something about it being release day, so I meant to do that.  no really06:08
wgrantHeh.06:09
bryceironically, I'd deliberately put a "dry run" option into these scripts, but I was literally in a hurry to get to a release party and rushed the script changes.  06:09
wgrantYou have release parties in your part of the world? :(06:10
brycewell, really just dinner with co-workers who are here in portland06:12
wgrantHmm, I hope there's some provision in XI properties to reset some property to the default.06:12
wgrantAh. Even so...06:13
* wgrant might seek out GNOMEish people today.06:14
wgrantI need to see if I can get that g-s-d SRU approved.06:14
brycebug 184027 - heh, I'm not the only one with out of control scripts this evening06:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 184027 in mesa "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV in viaXMesaWindowMoved()" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18402706:29
wgrantI wonder if we need a tag for bugs that should be looked at for the input config utility.06:29
brycehow do you mean?06:30
wgrantThere are lots of bugs which complain about missing options for Synaptics touchpads and other input devices.06:30
wgrantThey should all be able to be seen together somewhere, I think.06:31
bryceah, gotcha, yeah good idea06:41
bryceok whew, the vast bulk of these were expired appropriately06:44
wgrantExcellent.06:45
wgrantI wonder what will die if I throw -synaptics master into my PPA.06:45
tjaaltonmorning06:55
wgrantMorning tjaalton.06:55
tjaaltonwow, bug count down to ~1900 from 2150+06:59
wgrantIn X?07:01
tjaaltonyep07:01
bryce\o/07:03
brycetjaalton: yeah my expire script lost its mind and closed pretty much all the Incomplete bugs07:03
tjaaltonbryce: aww, keep it that way :)07:04
bryce:-)07:04
bryceactually the vast bulk of these had been sitting as New, and I had a script request more info on the 10th, and there's been no response07:05
bryceso 20 days ought to be enough time to justify expiring them07:05
tjaaltonyep07:05
bryceplus it's Release Day.  :-)07:05
tjaalton"nothing we can do about it - neext!"07:06
bryceyep, 1900 bugs is still plenty for us07:06
wgrantWhat is the distribution across the various packages?07:07
tjaaltonhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+packagebugs07:07
wgrantOh, your instance of that page might actually be usable.07:07
wgrantMy other teams that could make use of that have hundreds of packages with no bugs, so it's entirely useless.07:08
tjaaltonxorg needs cleaning, since it's what people use when filing/triaging bugs07:08
tjaaltonheh07:08
tjaaltonprobably some of the input drivers will be dropped when upstream does the same07:09
brycewgrant: yeah we actually use that page as our listing of packages we support.  My scripts screenscrape that page to get the list of packages to process07:09
brycewhen we drop the l-r-m's we'll be able to cut out a lot of irrelevant bugs too07:09
wgrantYep.07:10
wgrantMost of -synaptics are being sent to Incomplete now.07:10
bryceheh, I triaged bug 261197 so quick, I asked for info the day before it was filed ;-)07:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 261197 in xorg "my screen brightness decreases with ubuntu 8.4" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26119707:11
wgrantStupid slow Internets!07:12
wgrantDid you have a bogus date header on it?07:12
wgrantAh, not, just two months later.07:12
wgrantBut LP has a habit of trusting nasty bogus Date mail headers, making things confusing.07:12
tjaaltonok, bug 267241 is real, getting multiple dupes too07:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 267241 in xorg-server "[intrepid] X11: no device detected" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26724107:14
tjaaltonthe xserver can't decide which device to use07:14
bryceheh07:18
bryceHi hamsterzombie-deactivatedaccount,07:19
bryce...07:19
tjaaltonhehe07:40
brycewgrant: wow you've been busy08:00
wgrantbryce: Have I?08:00
brycewith the Incompletes08:01
wgrantAh, yes... there's too many changes to not do that, I'm afraid.08:01
bryceyep08:02
wgrantAnd I might get all the people with speed issues to try master, as that is completely different.08:02
* wgrant blinks.08:07
wgrant'Invalid whois information' phishing.08:07
wgrantNice.08:07
tjaaltonoh great, the problem with multiple devices seems to be 64bit specific08:12
wgrantMore!?08:14
wgrantX does have more than its fair share of 64-bit unsafeness.08:14
tjaaltonthis is with multiple graphics devices08:14
tjaaltoncompare these logs for instance: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17352098/xorg.log http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18858927/XorgLog.txt08:15
tjaaltonthe part where it lists the PCI devices08:15
tjaaltonon 64bit you have "(!!) More than one possible primary device found08:15
tjaalton"08:15
tjaaltonon x86 it picks the first08:15
wgrantHmmm.08:16
wgrantOh look, a GNOME person.08:22
wgrantseb128: Hi.08:25
seb128hey wgrant08:25
wgrantseb128: You are lord of gnome-settings-daemon, aren't you?08:26
seb128hum, I don't master the code but I do the updates and the bug triage usually08:26
wgrantRight.08:26
seb128why?08:26
wgrantWell, bug #28014808:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 280148 in gnome-settings-daemon "g-s-d needs to set mouse properties when a new device appears" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28014808:27
wgrantSince we moved to input hotplug in Intrepid, mouse settings don't affect hotplugged devices.08:27
wgrantWhich means that settings drop after suspend on some machines, or when Bluetooth devices are reattached, or even when some devices go idle (if they're particularly braindead).08:28
seb128g-s-d is likely applying settings on session start only08:28
seb128and not dynamically08:28
wgrantI know.08:28
wgrantAnd I have a patch to fix it.08:28
wgranthttp://www.qeuni.net/f/1/2008/20_mouse_devicepresencenotify.patch08:28
wgrantBut I wonder what the chances of getting that into Intrepid are.08:28
wgrant(I plan to seek upstream approval, of course)08:28
seb128would be nice to bugzilla.gnome.org it08:29
seb128if it's accepted upstream I see no issue to get it sru-ed in intrepid08:30
wgrantSure, I'll do that now.08:30
wgrantGreat, thanks!08:30
seb128np, thanks for working on that ;-)08:30
seb128wgrant: bug #223170, do you think there is gtk changes required there?08:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 223170 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Trackpad scrolling is jerky and difficult to be precise with" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22317008:31
wgrantseb128: There are changes all over the stack.08:31
seb128there is a gtk task open but I'm not sure if it makes sense08:31
wgrantseb128: I suggest Won't Fixing it.08:31
seb128ok08:31
wgrantX doesn't do delta scrolling yet.08:31
wgrantThere was a discussion about it in July, and something might happen once axes can be annotated (XI2)08:32
wgrantI think we should just wontfix it, as we're certainly not going to fix it here.08:32
seb128ok08:32
wgrantI suppose I should actually make the patch relevant to upstream before I submit it.08:35
crevettehello09:19
crevettehey it's time to update the topic :)09:19
=== wgrant changed the topic of #ubuntu-x to: Ubuntu 8.10 released! | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X
tjaaltonhehe, bug 29024909:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 290249 in xorg "[intrepid] failsafe xorg asks what to do after telling it already" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29024909:59
tjaaltona couple of dupes too, but the description on that one is charming09:59
wgranttjaalton: Do we have docs for setting resolutions in xorg.conf in Intrepid?10:05
wgrantIt's one of the big issues ATM10:05
wgranttjaalton: Haha, nice description.10:06
tjaaltonwgrant: the same as in hardy10:06
wgranttjaalton: Wasn't one meant to use displayconfig-gtk in Hardy?10:07
wgrantI've not seen any docs recently on the wiki about it.10:07
tjaaltonoh10:07
tjaaltonthere's no gui for it, that's knonw10:08
tjaalton-wn10:08
wgrantI know.10:08
wgrantBut I'd like to be able to get some docs out there.10:08
wgrantAs it is one of the most common questions now.10:09
tjaaltonso unless just setting the Modes isn't enough, it needs a Modeline as well10:09
wgranthttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto looks like it should be the relevant page.... but that hurts.10:10
wgrantThat is so old it's not funny.10:10
tjaaltonheh, 915resolution10:11
wgrantI think that page needs abolition.10:11
wgrantExactly.10:11
tjaaltontake it behind the shed10:11
wgrantThose gconf keys also don't exist any more.10:11
wgrantI'm going to chop pre-hardy bits out of it and see if anything is left over.10:12
tjaaltongreat10:12
wgranttjaalton: I killed that page entirely, and added a new section to X/Config: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config#Adding%20undetected%20resolutions11:05
wgrantHow does that latter one look?11:06
tjaaltonwgrant: better. Maybe add something about cvt and modelines?11:07
wgranttjaalton: Sure, I'll look that up.11:08
tjaaltonthanks11:08
wgrantI haven't had to add a modeline for years!11:08
tjaaltonhmm, or force the HorizSync/VertRefresh values11:09
tjaaltonif that doesn't help, then a Modeline should11:09
wgrantOTOH, my Internet connection seems to have gone incredibly slow, so I won't be doing any more tonight.11:10
crevettewgrant, it lack a word in the setion you put "gksudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf"11:15
crevetteI'm correcting that11:15
wgrantcrevette: Blurgh, you're right.11:15
crevettebah not a big problem :)11:16
wgrantIt should also say to reboot, probably.11:16
wgrantI seem to be able to get about 20kbps inbound...11:16
Ngso, on the subject of editing xorg.confs11:34
Ngshould a random person find themselves in need of doing so, chances are that these days they have nothing to work with11:34
Nggiven that X does actually construct a default one internally, and can dump it, could we maybe have it write something out to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.skeleton or so?11:35
Ngthen these "add modelines..." tutorials can start with "copy xorg.conf.skeleton to xorg.conf"11:35
tjaaltondexconf -o foo11:35
tjaaltonthe default installation still creates one11:36
Nghuh, really?11:36
Ngas xorg.conf?11:36
tjaaltonif they know how to delete it, they really should know how to bring it back :)11:36
tjaaltonyes11:36
Ngis it just an empty skeleton?11:36
* Ng retracts above wibbling11:37
tjaaltonpretty much11:37
tjaaltonjust run that command to see11:37
Ngyeah, that's fine :)11:44
* Ng whistles and goes back to not wasting peoples' time ;)11:44
tjaaltonhehe11:47
Q-FUNKhowdy14:56
Q-FUNKcould someone look at Bug #287462 ?14:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 287462 in gnome-settings-daemon "Intrepid: left-handed mouse setting forgotten after resuming from sleep/hibernation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28746214:57
Q-FUNKI had marked it as g-s-d, but it could also be caused by the new inputdev14:57
Q-FUNKI wouldn't know for sure14:57
Q-FUNKseb128: since you're also on the desktop team, would you know which package Bug #287462 should be assigned to?14:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 287462 in gnome-settings-daemon "Intrepid: left-handed mouse setting forgotten after resuming from sleep/hibernation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28746214:59
seb128gsd seems to be correct15:00
Q-FUNKok15:01
Q-FUNKI wasn't sure.15:01
Q-FUNKfor all I know, the migration from x-input-kbd to the generic inputdev might have done it.15:02
seb128that's similar to the bug wgrant is working on15:02
Q-FUNKit's pretty much the only thing preventing me from upgrading to intrepid.15:02
seb128gnome bug #55864415:02
ubottuGnome bug 558644 in plugins "Hotplugged mice not reconfigured" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55864415:02
Q-FUNKother than that, intrepid looks like a fantastic release :)15:02
Q-FUNKseb128: seems to match my problem fairly closely.  I'm guessing that on the way back from sleep/hibernate, the mouse is seen as a new device all over again and then loses its settings.15:04
Q-FUNKshould I point my bug to that upstream?15:04
Q-FUNKeven thoguh it's not quite the same, they indeed seem related15:04
seb128I think there is some bug about that already on launchpad, ask to wgrant15:05
seb128otherwise add bug watch to this one15:05
Q-FUNKwgrant: can you confirm or mark as duplicate?15:08
tseliotmvo, bryce: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19130338/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-hppa.gnome-control-center_1:2.24.0.1-0ubuntu7.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz15:44
mvotseliot: hppa ...15:46
mvo:)15:46
tseliotmvo: shall we ignore it?15:47
mvoyes15:49
mvohppa is a bit of a problem currently, a lot of FTBFS15:49
tseliotah, ok15:51

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