[00:11] ugh [00:12] guys, I installed Xubuntu 8.10 but X still will not load (like with the RC) [00:12] my screen just flashes three times and than it falls back to the command line interface [00:13] is this a common problem with the official 8.10? [00:14] BBWonder: not really... tried bootting to recovery mode and select fix x? [00:15] will that help? I mean, it's a clean install, can anything be broken already? [00:15] Odd-rationale: thanks for replying btw [00:16] BBWonder: probably just your xorg.conf... [00:16] BBWonder: the fix x options should set you up to use the vesa drivers... [00:16] then you can trouble shoot after you can at lest log into X :P [00:16] that's true [00:17] BBWonder: you know how to get to recoverymode? [00:17] My chipset uses ATI drivers btw [00:17] yes I do, thanks [00:17] my ati works flawlessly, i can even do desktop effects without installing proprietary drivers... [00:18] I'll do that and if it doesn't work I'll be back to whine about it :p [00:18] k :P [00:18] :P [00:27] whine whine whine :)) [00:28] so I did: fix x, which was an automated process and helped precisely nothing. [00:29] I got the following errors, maybe they ring a bell: [00:29] *when giving command: startx* -- Chrome(0): no valid modes found [00:29] screens found, but none have usable configurations [00:30] furthermore, it returned [00:30] xinit: error in lockign authority [00:30] file (Xauthority) [00:30] I was logged in as SU, by the way [00:30] all this really stumps me [00:31] Odd-rationale: bump :p [00:36] BBWonder: try removing the ~/.Xauthority in your users home directory... [00:36] BBWonder: also, can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf [00:36] ? [00:38] I don't know how to pastebin :D [00:39] Odd-rationale: when I remove xauthority, won't that harm the operating system somehow? [00:39] BBWonder: not the one in your $HOME dir... [00:41] !paste [00:41] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [00:41] how do I do this from CLI? [00:41] I have to reboot into xubuntu [00:42] BBWonder: sudo apt-get install pastebinit [00:42] cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit [00:42] thanks will do [00:49] worst [00:49] fucking [00:49] day [00:49] of [00:49] my === bill is now known as Guest76722 [01:31] Odd-rationale: still there? [01:31] http://pastebin.com/f500bd8f4 [01:31] my xorg.conf [01:31] sorry it took a little long :S [01:33] Oh no. I see torrent files for xubuntu-8.04.1-* but none for 8.10 [01:34] ball: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/hardy/release/desktop/ [01:34] oh wait shit.. :D [01:34] haha [01:35] http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/intrepid/release/desktop/ [01:35] Found it, thanks! [01:35] np [01:35] Sadly it means tearing the hard disk out of this machine, but oh well... [01:36] Ah, there we go [01:37] rtorrent's doing its thing now. [01:37] I dl-ed that same torrent, it was mighty fast [01:37] let's see, where did I put xcalc [01:40] there we go: downloading at 221 kbit/sec, uploading at 33 kbit/sec [01:40] (doing my bit) [01:40] Hang on, that can't be right [01:40] BBWonder: sorry. just got back from dinner... [01:41] BBWonder: try editing your xorg.conf file to look like this: http://pastebin.com/m5d5f07b [01:41] basically adding the Driver "vesa" line [01:42] uploading at 295 kbits/sec [01:42] thanks Odd-rationale - damn long time since I vim-ed... [01:42] downloading at 41 k/sec [01:42] :-) [01:42] BBWonder: :P also try nano if you prefer.. [01:43] i like vim myself... but nano is simpler... [01:43] never nano'd... does it explain how to save, etc? [01:43] vim ftw :) [01:43] nano is simpler, though, and i do use it, too. [01:43] BBWonder: ^x ^y [01:43] thanks, looks like vim :D [01:43] BBWonder: but you know vim, i'd say to just stick to it... :P [01:44] ok adding the line, what do you think the chances are of this solving my problem? :D [01:44] pretty good... :D [01:44] BBWonder: you don't need to reboot... [01:45] just from the commnad line try "sudo /etc/ini.d/gdm start" [01:45] init.d right? [01:45] init.d [01:45] yes [01:46] sorry... :( [01:46] np you've been a big help so far [01:46] bbiab [01:56] BBWonder: no luck? [01:56] Odd-rationale: I'm back [01:56] I edited the file and did what you said [01:57] this time the error said: failed to load "vesa" -- no drivers available [01:57] which is new and exciting [01:57] :S [01:57] BBWonder: did you install xubuntu 8.10? [01:57] yes [01:57] clean install by means of the alternate install cd [01:58] how can there be no vesa drivers I wonder? [01:58] try "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-vesa" [01:58] are you on livecd right now? [01:59] no [01:59] I'm in windows [01:59] oh [01:59] last time I tried, the live-cd didn't work either [02:00] the same thing: it drops into CLI [02:00] anyway, anyway bbiab [02:00] BBWonder: well try the apt-get comnad then [02:00] oh [02:01] sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start [02:01] i gtg in a bit... :( [02:01] No problem [02:01] you've been a big help so far [02:01] gonna reboot again [02:01] bbiab [02:09] anyone else have the problem where the last row of pixels is shifted over to the left? [02:11] Odd-rationale: not sure if you still have time [02:11] it said the vesa package was already installed [02:12] /etc/init.d/gdm start did nothing, neither did startx [02:12] the screen just flashes two or three times and that's it [02:19] aww looks like he's gone [02:19] damn [02:20] yay! I made an ext2 filesystem on a USB flash thing [02:20] Ah crap, need to tweak the file permissions [02:23] So... Suppose I don't like purple. [02:23] How do I change GUI the colors? [02:24] Globally, as oppsed to just for a custom theme. [02:24] the GUI* [02:25] There's a theme thing in the menu I think [02:25] brb [02:30] where does xfce keep the session information at? [02:31] I believe it to be at ~/.cache/sessions [02:33] thanks [02:34] pwd [02:35] sorry :-) [02:35] I'm used to focus-follows-mouse [02:37] More specifically, the Window Manager XPM files can use colors like "active_text_color". [02:38] I have reason to believe it gets these colors from some kind of GTK source. [02:46] Pretty much this question... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=898092 [02:51] SmoothPorcupine: the way I overide the theme settings is by putting this line - include "/home/$USER/.gtkrc.mine" in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and in ~/.gtkrc.mine setting the value I want to change [02:53] What value do I want to change? [02:53] e.g. style "panel" = "default" { bg[NORMAL] = "#22478e" } [02:53] I don't know - what part don't you like? [02:55] where does xubuntu keep it's system menu include at? [02:55] err menu.xml [03:11] favro, how about something easy like title bar text color? [03:13] SmoothPorcupine: open a theme from /usr/share/themes and read what your present theme is using to call that - I'm not on an xfce box atm [03:15] SmoothPorcupine: style "clearlooks-frame-title" = "clearlooks-default" [03:15] { [03:15] fg[NORMAL] = "#2a2a2a" [03:15] } - is from one I have here [03:16] fg means foreground or text [03:21] My current theme has no gtkrc file. [03:22] Making it somewhat hard to understand where the colors are coming from. [03:29] Er, maybe my question is how to set my GTK theme. [03:37] any word on how slow the servers are for an upgrade? [03:38] SmoothPorcupine: applications->settings->settings manager->user interface [03:39] Aren't you supposed to give me a command line? [03:39] Instead of a path I may not be able to follow? [03:41] that's where you go to set the colors graphicallly, i don't know the specifics of how one goes about it from a CLI but i'd imagine if that's what you're looking for google is your friend [03:46] i love 8.10 [03:47] working on upgrading my lappy now. [03:51] SmoothPorcupine: it was the way you asked the question - top left of the desktop has a menu labelled applications [03:56] Ah, I remember that now. [03:56] :) [03:57] Turns out it was Crux. [03:58] how do i change the number of available workspaces to pager? [04:03] that's in the settings manager Bumphead [04:04] right click the pager prob works as well [04:10] Any way to avoid cramming gtk_color_scheme into one line? [04:20] SmoothPorcupine: err, what do you mean by that - or what are you trying to do? [04:21] In the gtkrc file is this: gtk_color_scheme = "reallyreallyreallylonglistofcolors" [04:24] do they have a comment (#) in front of each line? - never seen that in a gtkrc before [04:53] What ware the possible C++ GUI debuggers/IDE that come with 8.10? [05:23] hello world! [05:23] hi, MHz128 [05:24] I am looking for something similar to Launchy, Katapult, or Gnome-Do for the Xfce desktop. Does one exist? or can Launchy be run under xfce? [05:25] Can I change the GTK engine without changing the CTK theme? [05:25] GTK* [05:26] MHz128: really launchy and gnome-do can run in xfce... even katapult for that matter. :P [05:26] i liked gnome-do, never tried launchy... [05:26] Odd-rationale, oh ok. Launchy needs a QT core lib... will that affect anything? [05:27] nah, it won't really effect anything... [05:27] MHz128: if you want a lightweight alternative, look up dmenu [05:28] Odd-rationale, awesome thanks! [06:03] hello [06:04] what does it mean when i try to apt-get upgrade, and it tells me some packages are kept back? why are they kept back and not upgraded?! [06:06] you haven't run apt-get update. you have version mismatches between the repository and your system. [06:06] gaurdro: i did run update first [06:07] are you using any 3rd party repo's? [06:07] getdeb's repo [06:08] that's prolly what is causing it. [06:09] maybe what's kept back are totally new versions and not upgrades and that's why i must install them manuallly? [06:10] it's a version mismatch somewhere along the line. a package you're trying to upgrade is upgradeable but it can't find the correct version of a library or another package that can't be upgraded. also manually installed versions are set to manual in the local package database , which i believe makes them not upgrade normally. [06:10] I dunno about that. i'm just a user not a developer or anything [06:10] gaurdro: when i try to upgrade one of the packages through synaptic i get the message that i have unresolved dependencies. strange. [06:11] yea, the package was prolly compiled against a different version of a library that is not available in a repo [06:12] gaurdro: you mean because getdeb's version is too new for xubuntu's repo's libs? [06:13] it's weird. don't remember this conflict before. [06:13] yea, so instead of installing a new package that prolly won't work because it can't use the libraries it has it just doesn't install it. [06:14] ok, makes sence. [06:14] thanks! [06:48] * Tokorona should probably update to intrepid. [06:50] I'm just waiting for the 3rd party repo from array to be updated. === wormsxulla__ is now known as wormsxulla [08:18] hello. I am running Xubuntu 8.04 and the Update Manager is not showing 8.10 in the available updates list; yet it's available since yesterday. How do I install it? [08:20] MaxFrames: Try open Software sources, click "Update" and change "Show new distribution releases" to "Normal releases" [08:21] ok, I got it, the problem is that "LTS releases only" is selected. Thanks :) [08:22] you nailed it. downloading right now :) [08:28] MaxFrames: Yay :) [08:29] yesterday I tried the ubuntu 8.10 live CD on my home desktop PC, and a couple of application crashed when exiting, let's hope it was due to a bad CD [08:44] does anyone know if geforce2 support is going to be added later to 8.10 or is it just dropped? [08:44] the upgrade tool even notified my that no driver is available, which is nice :) [08:47] polite isn't it - I don't know why they would drop that but some others have mentioned it [08:48] does your present xorg.conf have more in it then "configured devics"? [08:50] s/devics/devices [08:51] just ServerLayout and the glx module [08:52] I would have waited with the upgrade but my radio of my WinTV card does not seem to be working with 8.04 [08:52] so I trade radio for compiz [08:52] well a backup would be no good then... [08:53] maybe ask again in a bit when those "in the know" wake up :) [08:53] hehe [08:54] I tried it earlier and it seems that the nvidia drivers <100 have a problem compiling with the 2.6.27 kernel [08:55] not much the *buntus can do about that afaik [08:55] I am afraid so, yes [08:55] I'm sure that'll be fixed soon if that is the case [08:55] if this is really the problem, was just something I noticed, not sure if I was doing anything wrong [08:56] hope so, yes :) [08:56] but on the other hand, the geforce2 is not so state of the art anymore, so compiz effects are limited anyway :) [08:56] or lets say "useful" effects [08:59] 'cause it isn't state of the art anymore isn't a reason to remove it - I'm sure it would just be a clitch [09:00] s/clitch/glitch [09:00] sure [09:00] nvidia's problem I would assume [09:01] or a bad choice in the new kernel config [09:01] possible [09:02] but I'll just wait for the updates to arrive :) [09:02] or for the xubuntu ops to wakeup and confirm it [09:03] hope the didn't stay up late attending a release party :) [09:03] they [09:05] for sure they know it will be busier here today/tonight [09:12] wot? [09:13] !version [09:13] To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell - To know the available version of a package, « apt-cache policy » [09:16] knome: do you know about geforce drivers having kernel issues with ibex's kernel? [09:16] favro, sorry, nope [09:17] knome: been a couple of folks today mention it [09:17] hmhm [09:18] have they been able to fix it? [09:18] especially the drivers for older cards seem to have problems [09:18] hi all. I haven't a button to upgrade my xubuntu in update manager. how to get it ? [09:18] the updgrade manager informed my that no driver for my card is available if I upgrade [09:19] !upgrade [09:19] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes [09:20] JinKazama, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading [09:21] in the update manager you need to deselect lts only [09:22] yes. its OK now :) thanks knome :) [09:25] it's kind of frustrating if the install process of the upgrade takes four times longer than the download. old hardware cannot keep up with the bandwidth nowadays it seems :) [09:26] iMax: with a separate /home partition I always install new os instaed of upgrade [09:27] favro: why? [09:27] favro: yeah that would probably be quicker. otoh I have to do some other work anyway ;-) [09:28] deoks: I feel it is cleaner and I have the system configs backed up on my file server [09:29] favro: although I have to say that most of the upgrades went really well so far [09:29] and configs for apps like firefox etc are retained in my home partition so i don't have to set them up [09:31] favro: I guess you will have to install all your software again thou. [09:32] deoks: you have to with an upgrade as well - I do dpkg -l > dpkg.txt to get a list [09:33] deoks: I should say the upgrade would install newer versions for you - which can take ages [09:34] Probably there are newer version in the repository, but an automatic reinstallation of all my software? [09:35] deoks, that's the point of a new release. if you want to keep with the old software, do not upgrade [09:35] deoks: that is how the upgrade works - it's not just the system files that are upgraded - all apps that have a newer version get upgraded - try doing that in windows :) [09:36] Of course. Just a little bit confused. :) [09:36] we've all been there deoks :) [09:37] Im used to building world on my FreeBSD systems. It's not really the same thing I guess. But you're right about that. Ubuntu is not an OS, it's a software distribution. [09:39] I usually do not mind getting my applications upgraded, but I usually use Linux not as my primary OS, so nothing too important would get lost [09:40] we just need the devs to stop removing the verbosity of the various configs - Generated by NetworkManager - is useless when things aren't working [09:41] hmm, is there an easy way to share keyboard and mouse between two computer? I have two computers connected to one monitor (analog/digital) but want to avoid using two keyboards and mice [09:41] favro: true [09:41] is there a vnc minus video? [09:41] iMax: try googling kvm [09:41] ok, sorry was looking for a software solution :) [09:42] for the mouse/keyboard [09:42] ssh for no X connection [09:42] !ssh [09:42] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ [09:43] I know ssh, but that would not make use of my monitor connection [09:44] so X would be preferred, if there is any useful solution [09:44] X forwarding through SSH would work as well of coufse [09:44] course [09:45] !vnc [09:45] VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely. It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX [09:45] I use vnc [09:46] thanks for the link, tried to get vino running yesterday but it did not work properly [09:51] iMax, you could also ssh -x if you want x forwarding, but that might be a bit heavy. [09:52] knome: yes, I am just thinking about the different options. bandwidth should not be an issue as this is all on the same LAN [09:53] sorry, ssh -X [09:53] I vnc to my headless file server and have set the router to block the servers' access to the net except for the torrent port [09:57] hmm, there is also an xrdp server, interesting :) [10:00] iMax; what is xrdp server? something like "terminal server" in windows? [10:01] returnCode: yes [10:01] uses the rdp protocol [10:01] could be useful for desktop access from win machines [10:01] but I haven't tried it yet [10:01] iMax: ... and the client? [10:01] Could I use rdp client from win? [10:02] either use rdesktop or default win client [10:02] yes, that is my understanding [10:02] mmm ... sound very good! [10:02] rdesktop works quite well, so there is good protocol implementation anyway [10:03] as I said, haven't tried it, so I do not know how well it works :) [10:04] I want try it on my virtual desktop ... [10:05] iMax: Is this the link of the project: http://xrdp.sourceforge.net/? [10:06] yes [10:06] Do you know if there is a repository for the project? [10:07] .. to include in sources.list [10:07] I haven't checked, my upgrade is still running [10:07] don't know of any other repos, no [10:07] ok .. must compile the project ... [10:08] It's no good for me ... I am not a guru :-( [10:09] usually you just run configure and make, but I guess this needs some rdesktop libs [10:09] !info xrdp [10:09] xrdp (source: xrdp): Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) server. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.0~dfsg-8 (intrepid), package size 204 kB, installed size 728 kB [10:09] returnCode: You don't need to be a guru to compile. I can assure you the packages comes with configure scripts and makefiles. [10:09] no need to compile it is in the universe repo [10:09] !repo [10:09] The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories [10:09] uhh, smart bot :) [10:10] !botsnack [10:10] Yum! Err, I mean, APT! [10:10] :) [10:11] hehe [10:47] oi channel [10:47] !hi [10:47] Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [10:50] oi oi oi aussie aussie aussie [10:54] hehe [10:55] I'm Dutch, we say "hoi" - same thing [10:57] BBWonder: need to ask about sumthin'? [10:58] yeah my vesa is broken despite having xserver-sorg-video-vesa installed and despite adding the line: *driver "vesa"* to my xorg.conf [10:58] I asked Odd-rationale last night but things didin't improve [10:58] I have xubuntu 8.10 installled on a new partition [10:58] chipset needs Mobility Radeon 9000 drivers [11:00] !ati | BBWonder (best I know) [11:00] BBWonder (best I know): For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [11:00] that chip "should" be ok if the new kernel hasn't borked it [11:02] I had Ubuntu 8.04 before this and that worked fine [11:02] I am looking at the guide now [11:02] obuttu is the room bot? [11:03] there seems to be an issue with X, the kernel and various drivers for X from todays issues [11:03] !bot [11:03] Hi! I'm #xubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://tinyurl.com/5zfb6t - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [11:03] !messagethebot [11:03] Please investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots. Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid". [11:04] k thanks [11:06] np [11:07] you nudged me on my way [11:07] nudge nudge [11:12] does any one know if Xfce 4.4.3 will be on the Ibex repos soon? [11:25] eae o/ [11:26] web_knows: do you need a constanant? [11:27] favro, always helpful [11:28] hehe [11:29] I had 4 goes at spelling constanant - still not convinced I spelt it right ... [11:32] consonant [11:33] that doesn't look right either - but obviously I'm no judge [11:34] hehe [11:34] that's the correct spelling [11:34] thnx knome [11:34] np:] [11:45] web_knows: did you want to ask something after all? [11:48] hi, what version is the best 8.04 or 8.10 xubuntu? [11:48] KLingeN, "better" is in the eye of the beholder [11:49] KLingeN, what are your needs? [11:49] 8.10 is newer, 8.04 will be supported longer [11:49] ok [11:50] the computer is penrium 3 1200 ghz gfx geforce 3 ti and 256 mb ram [11:50] 8.10 will work on that.... [11:50] i recommend the alt install [11:51] KLingeN, if you already have a working 8.04 install i suggest you to think whether you want to go adventurous or not [11:51] but you could have a top-of-the-line machine and i'd recommend the alt install =] [11:51] i have windows xp pro on my pentrium 3 now [11:52] surfing, music and movies that what i wanna do [11:53] KLingeN, are you looking to dual boot, or replace the os? [11:53] KLingeN: is it slow? xp? [11:53] yeah kind of [11:54] my friend use linux and he says that ubuntu 8.04 is better then the new 8.10 . [11:55] apples and oranges [11:55] 8.10 has only been "officially released" for a day.... [11:55] KLingeN: best bet is to try the livecd if you have enough memory - with the older h/ware I would try the 8.04 first - your mate might lend you his [11:55] depends on what you will use it for [11:56] thesheep movies and music and internet [11:56] and diablo 2 and wc3 :P [11:56] KLingeN, for those uses, either version should be fine [11:56] ok [11:57] diablo2 will be hard to get working in wine [11:57] and thats assuming your hardware can take it [11:57] :( [11:58] meh, sounds like one is wanting to cook gourmet meal with a microwave oven [11:58] i have crossover on cd :P [11:58] KLingeN, you might want to consider getting more ram [11:58]