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rgreening~twitter update Successful install.. restoring backed up files00:23
kubotustatus updated00:23
DaSkreechWhat?00:29
* DaSkreech pokes rgreening. Do that again00:29
rgreeninglol00:35
rgreeningpoke poke DaSkreech00:36
DaSkreech:-)00:36
DaSkreechkubotu can update your twitter stream?00:36
rgreeningyeah00:38
rgreeningkubotu: help twitter00:38
kubotutwitter status [nick] => show nick's (or your) status, use 'twitter friends status [nick]' to also show the friends' timeline | twitter update [status] => updates your status on twitter | twitter identify [username] [password] => ties your nick to your twitter username and password | twitter actions [on|off] => enable/disable twitting of actions (/me does ...)00:38
rgreening~twitter friends00:38
kubotucould not get status for rgreening00:38
rgreening~twitter friends status rgreening00:38
kubotucould not get status for rgreening00:38
rgreening~twitter identify rgreening00:39
kubotuincorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help twitter'00:39
rgreeningDaSkreech: ^ identify yourself in a priv channel. Then it remembers00:39
DaSkreechha ha can it use gwibber?00:39
rgreeningdunno00:47
apachelogger~wp gwibber00:47
kubotuno results found for gwibber00:47
apachelogger-.-00:47
apachelogger~google gwibber00:47
kubotuResults for gwibber: 1. Gwibber - Trac: http://www.google.comhttps://cixar.com/tracs/gwibber/wiki | 2. gwibber - Ubuntu Wiki: http://www.google.comhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/gwibber | 3. Gwibber in Launchpad: http://www.google.comhttps://launchpad.net/gwibber/00:47
apacheloggerhm00:48
apacheloggerdidn't parsing work the other day?00:48
vorian~google obama the messiah00:48
kubotuResults for obama the messiah: 1. Is Barack Obama the Messiah?: http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/ | 2. Farrakhan on Obama: 'The Messiah is absolutely speaking': http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77539 | 3. Obama for Messiah '08: http://www.obamaformessiah.com/00:48
vorianhaha00:48
apacheloggerhmmmmmmm00:48
apacheloggermaybe parsing is only broken for single search terms00:49
rgreeningalo alo apachelogger et vorian00:49
apacheloggerDaSkreech: how would that be working?00:49
vorianheya rgreening00:49
apacheloggerhoy rgreening00:49
DaSkreechapachelogger: Hmm?00:49
rgreeningI'm running for a re-install. Just restoring my backed up stuff. Worked perfect.00:49
rgreenings/for/from00:49
apacheloggerDaSkreech: a bot using gwibber00:49
voriani saw your tweet rgreening00:50
voriancongrats :)00:50
rgreeningyar.00:50
DaSkreechit has a libgwibber00:50
DaSkreechtrying to figure out a kwibber client00:50
DaSkreechWith plasmoid :)00:50
apacheloggerdoes not00:50
vorian\o/00:50
rgreeningWhat's the fix to get Konversation to open urls in konqueror?00:50
apacheloggeralso00:50
apacheloggerisn't libgwibber python?00:50
vorian/o\00:50
apacheloggeryou know, someone else needs to do the reviewing of KDE releases00:51
apacheloggerI am pretty near to brain disfunction00:52
vorianhow many do you have left?00:52
rgreeninglol00:52
apachelogger6 or so00:52
apacheloggerthe bigger ones to upload00:53
apacheloggerwhich is going to take ages00:53
rgreeningand apachelogger is only a young pup... imagine me who ...00:53
rgreeningis older00:53
apacheloggerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNT7uZf7lew god darn hippies00:53
rgreeninglol00:53
vorianhippies00:57
apacheloggerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSadVkKMk4A and those swingers...00:58
ArkoldThosheya :)00:59
rgreeningok, seriously, how do i get Konversation to use konqueror ro open freakin urls in the chat window... gaah01:00
apacheloggerbug 21866801:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 218668 in kdebase-workspace "When entering Administrator mode for Monitor & Display, the window is not big enough and scrollbars appear" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21866801:01
apacheloggerrgreening: if I was using konvi I probably could tell you :P01:02
rgreeningquassel man01:02
rgreeningI had it working before...01:02
DaSkreechrgreening: keeps opening them in Firefox?01:03
rgreeningno, no firefox installed, so it opens a "open with" and nothing works.01:03
DaSkreechah mine opns with abrowser01:03
rgreeningno way to config kde 3.5 apps. I see what the complaints are about...01:05
DaSkreechNo kcontrol or any such01:06
ScottKrgreening: There's an option in Konversation to pick a browser.  Check it and stuff Konqueror in there for your choice.01:07
DaSkreechwe should make up a list of pain points in moving from KDE3 to KDE401:07
DaSkreechMight be useful for other distro01:07
rgreeningwhere.. I must have missed it01:07
rgreeningScottK: ^01:07
* ScottK looks01:08
ScottK-laptopSettings -> Configure Konversation -> Behavior -> General -> Miscellaneous -> Use custom web browser: check off and add konqueror '%u'01:10
ScottKrgreening: ^^^01:10
apacheloggerrgreening: that is most likely konversations fault01:11
rgreeningah. hmm... we should probably have defaulted it to konqueror in the build huh01:11
rgreeninglol01:11
rgreeningintepid-update maybe?01:11
rgreeningyay. works now01:12
rgreeningty ScottK01:12
apacheloggerit probably tries to detect the desktop, it fails to detect KDE, because it doesn't work with KDE 4 properly and falls back to openwith instead of using kfmclient or xdg-open01:12
rgreeningapachelogger... for kdenightly/neon.... is there a way to install it as the default DE? I was going to setup a intrepid VM and wanted to take KDE 4.2 for a spin...01:24
rgreeningor whats the right wat to get it running01:24
apacheloggerrgreening: just install it and remove the regular kdelibs01:45
rgreeningJust kdelibs?01:48
rgreeningand deps (obviously)01:48
ScottKapachelogger: Feel like doing the MIR for powerdevil?  The sooner it's promoted, the sooner Guidance can die.01:51
apacheloggerScottK: powerdevil is part of kdebase in 4.201:52
ScottKapachelogger: Ah.01:52
rgreeningnot easily ported?01:52
ScottKThen it won't need a MIR since it's in a source package already in Main.01:52
apacheloggerrgreening: well, removing kdelibs will remove most other stuff anyway01:52
rgreeningokies01:53
HobbseeScottK: interesting posts02:09
ScottKHobbsee: Thanks.  Any in particular?02:09
HobbseeScottK: latest blog post, in particular02:10
ScottKOh.  That one just seemed like common sense to me, but it's gotten lots of comments.02:10
* Hobbsee is pondering getting her friend to switch, or so.02:10
Hobbseewell, it is, somewhat.02:10
Hobbseebut what to actually do for those windows-y apps, etc...02:10
ScottKOf course you can install KDE on Windows now.02:11
ScottKJust to keep us kind of on topic here.02:11
ScottKInteresting news from .au: http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,24561082-5013040,00.html02:12
ScottKHobbsee: Tried Kubuntu Intrepid yet?02:12
Hobbseenasty.  Good chance to switch them to ubuntu and such02:13
Hobbseebeen seeing an incremental uptake of ubuntu at uni, actually02:13
HobbseeScottK: only in a VM for a bit.02:13
rgreeningHobbsee: I have at least 10 fiends/family switched and they all love it. None are technical at all either02:14
ScottKI do think it turned out quite well and it really is a lot more modern looking that KDE302:14
ScottKI saw a Ubuntu Hardy desktop at the Python Intrest Group meeting I went to last week and it looked old and tired in comparison.  No idea how Ubuntu Intrepid would look next to it.02:14
rgreeningMy parents, who are in their 60's and computer illiterate use it for email, chatting, etc.02:15
Hobbseergreening: her dad likes it.  I should take a cd over there.02:15
rgreening:)02:15
Hobbseebeen slowly converting him02:15
Hobbseepity i don't have an alternate cd, to upgrade his02:15
rgreeningMom and dad wanted a new computer but a limited budget. I got them one without windows to save them 100$.02:16
rgreeningInstalled hardy and it worked perfect.02:16
rgreeningIm still trying to convince my sister...02:16
Hobbseeit'll just be some old dos programs that won't work, i expect.02:17
rgreeningMy wife was easy to convert. "If you want a computer and you want me to support it, learn linux" :)02:17
Hobbseehaha02:17
Hobbseeoh, and i need a shirt.  "No, I will not fix your computer"02:17
rgreeninglol.02:17
ScottKI think I've seen that shirt.02:18
Hobbseeso have I, but i don't have one02:20
HobbseeOTOH, i probably oculdnt' wear it to work02:20
Hobbsee"oh, you're doing a computing degree?  <cue talk about all the problems with his windows not working, and a format being needed>"02:21
rgreeningwhen someone with windows ask me to help them, I hand then a Kubuntu CD and say, insert, wait, click install and then I walk away.02:23
JontheEchidnalol02:24
Hobbseehaha02:24
rgreening:)02:24
rgreeningWhen I go to UDS, I'm going to have to bring some stuff from here :)02:36
rgreeningfor my Kubuntu buds02:36
ScottKGet stacks of CDs because shipit seems to only want to send me ugly brown ones.02:38
rgreeninglol02:45
rgreeningI was thinking more along the lines of something Newfoundlandish...02:45
rgreeningI think Im taking my Camera too ... It's a Rebel-Xt D-SLR02:46
rgreeningso I can get some snappies02:46
rgreeningfor the blog02:46
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ScottKMan.  Spend an hour or two writing a blog post on details of new mail server features in Intrepid.  Ho-hum.  A comment or two.  Spend 10 minutes zapping out something on switching your kids to Linux and the comments pour in.03:16
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=== akonadi is now known as nihui
glade88hello.. what would be the binary for the embedded konsole in dolphin? kdebase?12:36
stdinglade88: yes12:39
mcashello12:40
glade88stdin: thanks :)12:40
mcashas anyone seen a problem with the colours in kde4?12:40
mcasplease look at this screenshot12:41
mcashttp://www.asshaueronline.de/pictures/kde4-mcas.jpeg12:41
apacheloggermcas: you are suffering from a case of "I fucked up my settings - need HALP" :P12:43
apacheloggermcas: systemesttings -> appearance -> icons -> advanced -> reset to defaults12:43
mcasapachelogger: thanks but the icons didn't changed12:45
apacheloggerrelogin12:45
apacheloggeror maybe something doens't get reset12:45
mcasbrb12:45
mcasre12:48
mcasapachelogger: still the same problem12:48
apacheloggermcas: paste your kdeglobals config12:48
mcasbut if i click on the K-button it changed to blue12:48
apacheloggerOo12:49
mcaswhich config do you mean?12:50
apachelogger.kde/share/config/kdeglobals12:50
mcashttp://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/49312:52
apacheloggermcas: search for Icons, remove all section of the sort [PanelIcons] [MainToolbarIcons] etc.12:59
apacheloggerthen _KILL_ your X12:59
mcasbrb13:01
mcasre13:05
mcasapachelogger: same effect13:05
apacheloggermcas: paste the new kdeglobals13:07
mcashttp://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/49413:12
apacheloggermcas: maybe it is related to the Color stuff13:25
apacheloggerif it's not that I am pretty much out of ideas13:25
mcasi did a reset to defaults in the color section13:26
mcasno result13:26
Simeanyone know a simple way of hunting non-standard installed .debs?14:27
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apacheloggerSime: non-standard installed?14:54
Simeppa etc.15:13
Simeit's working now...15:13
apacheloggerI think I found a bug ;-)15:16
apacheloggerSime: in theory you should be able to use dpkg-query to get all packages which not originated in Ubuntu, however that seems to be broken15:16
Simeoh15:16
apacheloggerScottK: migration to akonadi is at least going to start in 4.215:20
* apachelogger is going to prepare a couple of scripts (if not already by upstream) to easy migration testing15:21
smarterhttp://blog.laptopmag.com/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/network-manager.jpg << I think I saw something like that on another OS... :P15:25
ScottKapachelogger: Please find a way to be making it optional.15:46
apacheloggerScottK: optional?15:50
glade88my.. is bugs.kde.org down? oO16:00
Arbyglade88: not for me16:01
Arbyif it's throwing errors wait a few minutes and try again16:02
Arbyit does that a lot16:02
glade88Arby: I get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/65776/16:03
glade88trying since about 10 mins now16:03
Arbyglade88: that's a new one on me16:03
glade88:)16:03
Arbymight as well send the e-mail as suggested16:04
glade88ok16:04
glade88I'll do that..16:04
ArbyI've seen it fail due to lack of available database connections quite frequently16:04
ScottKapachelogger: I'd like the option to keep my mail in the current maildir store I use and not be forced to akonadi.  Dunno if that's possible or not.16:04
apacheloggerScottK: I guess so16:04
apacheloggerbut akonadi is more reliable in any case16:05
apacheloggerso I am not sure we shouldn't force it16:05
apacheloggerI don't really feel like supporting these broken maildirs anymore TBH16:05
ScottKapachelogger: I've never lost a message due to using Kmail and maildir.  From my POV there is nothing possible more reliable.16:05
apacheloggerScottK: I did some years ago, nothing recent but according to bug reports the problems persist16:06
apacheloggerso for you the reliability would just stay the same, but everything would be fast ;-)16:06
ScottKThe only problems I've seen are with IMAP and that's Kmail IMAP, not maildir.16:06
ScottKapachelogger: I may believe that eventually, but I'm skeptical up front.16:07
ScottKFaster would be nice, but not if it's going to risk my data.16:07
apacheloggerScottK: I never saw mysql loose data ;-) but I understand the POV. that is why I want to make testing as easy as possible, so we don't have to fear dataloss once akonadi becomes default16:09
ScottKapachelogger: This is roughly equivalent to switching to Outlook .pst from my POV.16:09
ScottKSwitching from a standardized data format with lots of diverse tool and a long history to some opaque sheme that is unproven.16:10
* ScottK has to run.16:10
seeleScottK: see you in a few!16:11
apacheloggerScottK: you said essentially the same about switching to KDE 4 :P16:11
* seele shoud probably run too.. she's probably furhter away thank ScottK :P16:11
apacheloggershould be well thought through either way16:11
ScottKseele: I have to drop kids off in multiple locations first.16:12
ScottKapachelogger: My primary desktop is still Dapper ...16:12
apacheloggernothing wrong with that but the KMail maildir implimentation is buggy, you might not be affected but a lot of people are and especially the IMAP issues hurt16:14
* smarter lost half his mails one month ago16:14
smarternot sure if I should blame KMail or something else16:14
apacheloggerprobably kmail, it likes to loose or cripple stuff from what I read16:15
apacheloggerbut in a completely random way, which makes debugging one awful job16:15
apacheloggerScottK: at least for kcal/kabc the migration is going to happen via compat resources which import the data and then the apps use akonadi, so I guess it should be possible to just use the compat resources instead of akonadi itself16:19
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apacheloggerGuest21892: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/27159816:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 271598 in kubuntu-default-settings "In KDE4 Konversation, clicking on URL does not open Konqueror" [Medium,Confirmed]16:50
apacheloggermost awesome16:50
larsivihi - I am upgrading to ibex from hardy, but it doesn16:52
larsividoesnt start - /var seems to be mounted as a read only filesystem16:52
apachelogger#kubuntu for support16:52
larsiviapachelogger: sure, but I rarely ever get answers there17:01
glade88apachelogger: what would replace skim in jaunty?17:02
glade88apachelogger: and why was it added to intrepid anyway?17:02
apacheloggerglade88: the Qt 4 bridge17:02
apacheloggerI am not sure skim is part of the default installation anymore17:02
apacheloggerit caused problems with the qt4 bridge IIRC17:02
glade88well it was introduced on 26th oct iirc17:03
glade88and had to be immediately patched since it was causing app lags17:03
apacheloggerit got introduced on 2006-02-04 :P17:04
glade88o.O17:04
glade88wasn't it remoed after then, I didn't have it until the 26th oc update17:04
glade88*oct17:04
apacheloggerno, you just didn't see it because of a patch in kde4libs17:05
apacheloggereventually it was by default installed the whole intrepid development cycle17:05
glade88hm.. oic17:05
apacheloggerjust not listed in the menu17:05
smarterskim was disabled because it doesn't work with Qt4 apps17:06
glade88and I suddenly noticed it when it generated this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/28973317:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 289733 in scim "Scim installation upon kubuntu update causes application lag" [Undecided,Fix released]17:06
smarteror at least kde4 apps17:06
Guest21892smarter: I guess it can be removed from jaunty then?17:06
smarterit should be ported to qt4, not removed17:06
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apachelogger_smarter: there is no port whatsoever17:07
apachelogger_I don't know what the use of skim is anyway17:07
smarterlanguages with characters that can't be all displayed on a keyboard17:07
glade88apachelogger_: maybe in OO.o transliteration?17:07
apachelogger_well, that is what scim-bridge is doing17:07
apachelogger_no clue what the use of skim is17:08
smarterskim is a tray icon to configure the thing and make it work17:08
apachelogger_I guess it should be ported then17:08
apachelogger_but meanwhile removed from the archives17:08
apachelogger_there is no point in having unusable and confusing software stick around17:08
smarteras you want17:09
* apachelogger_ is falling asleep because of the lightning fast branching with launchpad17:09
apacheloggersmarter: go test 4.1.317:12
apacheloggerall except artwork stacked-online17:12
smarterbuilt for amd64? :P17:13
apacheloggersmarter: install a vm17:14
apacheloggersmarter: or get me a build server17:15
smarterstill no news of private ppas?17:15
apachelogger_no17:15
apachelogger_seriously, why can't I invoke a branch command in launchpad directly?17:16
apachelogger_running it through my maschine is so pointless17:17
apacheloggerRiddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/hardy17:22
apacheloggerRiddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/intrepid rather17:22
apachelogger*note to myself, I don't like konversation*17:28
apacheloggerhrr17:29
apacheloggerthere we go17:29
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apacheloggerScottK: please test the fix for bug 27159817:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 271598 in kubuntu-default-settings "In KDE4 Konversation, clicking on URL does not open Konqueror" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27159817:59
* claydoh loves reading apachelogger 's comments in launchpad :)19:01
larsivi_hi - I asked here a couple of days ago whether hardy-ibex upgrade would convert my mail accounts to kde4, and was told yes20:00
larsivi_this appears to not have happened, in fact the kmail settings dialog is completely blank20:00
smarterkmail has never been reliable for storing datas20:05
larsivi_I mean, there are no buttons/fields in the settings dialog beyond the ones at the bottom (ok, apply, cancel)20:06
smarterstrange20:06
smartercould you provide a screenshot?20:06
larsivi_I could but don't really see the point - there is nothing to there :P20:07
smarterthat could always give us a clue20:08
larsivi_I'll get back to you, have to put my boy in bed20:09
smarterok20:10
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snikkerbluetooth doesn't work in 8.10?20:56
rgreeningnope. in the release notes...21:01
rgreeningthe bluez stack got updated at the last minute and it broke in KDE21:01
snikkeris not possible to fix it?21:02
rgreeningnot until KDE solid updates can be backported I believe21:03
snikkeroh, this is not a good news... :(21:04
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apacheloggerclaydoh: of course you do :P21:49
claydohheh21:50
* claydoh likes angery talk :)21:50
claydohs/rough/angry21:52
apacheloggerI am wondering how exactly bug 43238 is a KDE issue21:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 43238 in kubuntu-default-settings "Firefox open / save dialog is a pain for kde users" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/4323821:59
apacheloggersmarter: thoughts?21:59
smarterit's not22:00
smartergtk open/save dialogs just suck :P22:01
smarterone solution is to use kgtk22:01
smarterwhich make gtk apps use kde dialogs22:01
apacheloggerthat is no solution22:01
apacheloggerthat is a workaround22:01
apachelogger~facts about apachelogger22:01
kubotu[5/13] apachelogger has a batman pyjama. [6/13] "...and apachelogger hates workarounds". [7/13] apachelogger loves to pimp his hookers22:01
smarter:}22:01
apacheloggerbouncing back to firefox22:01
smarterso, we just have to hope we get a good Firefox Qt22:01
smarteror that webkit will rule them all22:02
apacheloggerwebkit does rule em all22:03
apacheloggerbug 24836622:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 248366 in xine-plugin "Subliminal advertising in xine-plugin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24836622:22
apacheloggerxerosis: most assaulting22:24
apacheloggerdon't get how this is caused by xine-plugin though22:25
xerosisthe mindd boggles22:26
apacheloggerahhh22:27
apacheloggerxerosis: any clue where that would be displayed anyway?22:30
xerosisapachelogger: the only time I've seen that was in gxine I think, is it used as a browser plugin?22:31
apacheloggerpossibly22:31
apacheloggerxerosis: feel free to close that bug as won't fix ;-)22:32
smarterxine has an ui too22:32
xerosisah yeah, xine-ui22:32
* smarter remembers using it, like 3 years ago :]22:33
apacheloggersmarter: it doesn't use that logo though22:33
xerosisusing gxine would account for the gnome logo22:34
smarterdunno, I thought it had some kind of splash screen22:34
smarterxerosis: probably22:34
* xerosis installs to check22:35
xerosisnope, that has a lovely 3d logo22:36
apacheloggerstdin: please follow SRU for bug 29058922:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 290589 in kde4libs "Long dbus command displayed on dialog when trying to mount hard drive via dolphin" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29058922:38
stdinapachelogger: I wanted some feedback on the patch before I took it further22:39
apacheloggerokies22:39
apacheloggerstdin: where did you ask for feedback? :P22:39
stdinhere :)22:39
apacheloggerdid not see22:39
stdinit was a couple days ago now22:39
stdinI got called on babysitting duty this week22:40
* apachelogger hugs stdin22:40
apacheloggerI think jonny boy got lost again22:52
ScottKToday, for me, should be titled "Not quite enough time to go all the way home".23:12
ScottKHome for the first time in ~8 hours.23:12
* ScottK waves at seele.23:12
ScottKapachelogger: I'll look at the Konversation/Konqueror thing a bit later.23:12
ScottKDinner/getting kids to bed first.23:13
* seele waves at ScottK 23:19
seeleScottK: ugh.. after a brownie AND a milkshake i dunno if i'm going to make it to dinner tonight23:19
ScottK;-)23:20
ScottKYou only had half the milkshake though.23:20
seeleyes, but the milkshake was humungous.. so it was really two milkshakes23:24
seeleit was better than the brownie too.. too bad i didnt drink the milkshake before i ate the brownie23:25
Arbywhat's our policy for bugs in kpdf (KDE3) now that we have okular in KDE4?23:26
ScottKArby: No kdpf in Intrepid so won'tfix unless it's potentially SRU worthy and then look into that.23:27
ArbyScottK: is completely unable to print considered SRU worthy?23:28
Arbyspecifically bug 23013423:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 230134 in kdegraphics "[hardy] Unable to print in KDE 3.5" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23013423:28
Arbyit's actually kpdf that can't print, everything else is fine23:29
ScottKPotentially.  How certain is it that it's kpdf's fault?23:29
Arbykghostview is fine,openoffice is fine23:29
apacheloggeraccording to upstream our KPDF is patched useless23:29
ScottKMaybe.  Arby I'd mark it won'tfix (due to not in Jaunty) and nominate for Hardy.23:30
rgreeningI hate poker! grr.. Had a Royal Flush chip leader... next hand had a straigh someone flopped quad 10s23:31
ArbyScottK: thanks23:31

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