[00:23] ~twitter update Successful install.. restoring backed up files [00:23] status updated [00:29] What? [00:29] * DaSkreech pokes rgreening. Do that again [00:35] lol [00:36] poke poke DaSkreech [00:36] :-) [00:36] kubotu can update your twitter stream? [00:38] yeah [00:38] kubotu: help twitter [00:38] twitter status [nick] => show nick's (or your) status, use 'twitter friends status [nick]' to also show the friends' timeline | twitter update [status] => updates your status on twitter | twitter identify [username] [password] => ties your nick to your twitter username and password | twitter actions [on|off] => enable/disable twitting of actions (/me does ...) [00:38] ~twitter friends [00:38] could not get status for rgreening [00:38] ~twitter friends status rgreening [00:38] could not get status for rgreening [00:39] ~twitter identify rgreening [00:39] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help twitter' [00:39] DaSkreech: ^ identify yourself in a priv channel. Then it remembers [00:39] ha ha can it use gwibber? [00:47] dunno [00:47] ~wp gwibber [00:47] no results found for gwibber [00:47] -.- [00:47] ~google gwibber [00:47] Results for gwibber: 1. Gwibber - Trac: http://www.google.comhttps://cixar.com/tracs/gwibber/wiki | 2. gwibber - Ubuntu Wiki: http://www.google.comhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/gwibber | 3. Gwibber in Launchpad: http://www.google.comhttps://launchpad.net/gwibber/ [00:48] hm [00:48] didn't parsing work the other day? [00:48] ~google obama the messiah [00:48] Results for obama the messiah: 1. Is Barack Obama the Messiah?: http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/ | 2. Farrakhan on Obama: 'The Messiah is absolutely speaking': http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77539 | 3. Obama for Messiah '08: http://www.obamaformessiah.com/ [00:48] haha [00:48] hmmmmmmm [00:49] maybe parsing is only broken for single search terms [00:49] alo alo apachelogger et vorian [00:49] DaSkreech: how would that be working? [00:49] heya rgreening [00:49] hoy rgreening [00:49] apachelogger: Hmm? [00:49] I'm running for a re-install. Just restoring my backed up stuff. Worked perfect. [00:49] s/for/from [00:49] DaSkreech: a bot using gwibber [00:50] i saw your tweet rgreening [00:50] congrats :) [00:50] yar. [00:50] it has a libgwibber [00:50] trying to figure out a kwibber client [00:50] With plasmoid :) [00:50] does not [00:50] \o/ [00:50] What's the fix to get Konversation to open urls in konqueror? [00:50] also [00:50] isn't libgwibber python? [00:50] /o\ [00:51] you know, someone else needs to do the reviewing of KDE releases [00:52] I am pretty near to brain disfunction [00:52] how many do you have left? [00:52] lol [00:52] 6 or so [00:53] the bigger ones to upload [00:53] which is going to take ages [00:53] and apachelogger is only a young pup... imagine me who ... [00:53] is older [00:53] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNT7uZf7lew god darn hippies [00:53] lol [00:57] hippies [00:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSadVkKMk4A and those swingers... [00:59] heya :) [01:00] ok, seriously, how do i get Konversation to use konqueror ro open freakin urls in the chat window... gaah [01:01] bug 218668 [01:01] Launchpad bug 218668 in kdebase-workspace "When entering Administrator mode for Monitor & Display, the window is not big enough and scrollbars appear" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218668 [01:02] rgreening: if I was using konvi I probably could tell you :P [01:02] quassel man [01:02] I had it working before... [01:03] rgreening: keeps opening them in Firefox? [01:03] no, no firefox installed, so it opens a "open with" and nothing works. [01:03] ah mine opns with abrowser [01:05] no way to config kde 3.5 apps. I see what the complaints are about... [01:06] No kcontrol or any such [01:07] rgreening: There's an option in Konversation to pick a browser. Check it and stuff Konqueror in there for your choice. [01:07] we should make up a list of pain points in moving from KDE3 to KDE4 [01:07] Might be useful for other distro [01:07] where.. I must have missed it [01:07] ScottK: ^ [01:08] * ScottK looks [01:10] Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Behavior -> General -> Miscellaneous -> Use custom web browser: check off and add konqueror '%u' [01:10] rgreening: ^^^ [01:11] rgreening: that is most likely konversations fault [01:11] ah. hmm... we should probably have defaulted it to konqueror in the build huh [01:11] lol [01:11] intepid-update maybe? [01:12] yay. works now [01:12] ty ScottK [01:12] it probably tries to detect the desktop, it fails to detect KDE, because it doesn't work with KDE 4 properly and falls back to openwith instead of using kfmclient or xdg-open [01:24] apachelogger... for kdenightly/neon.... is there a way to install it as the default DE? I was going to setup a intrepid VM and wanted to take KDE 4.2 for a spin... [01:24] or whats the right wat to get it running [01:45] rgreening: just install it and remove the regular kdelibs [01:48] Just kdelibs? [01:48] and deps (obviously) [01:51] apachelogger: Feel like doing the MIR for powerdevil? The sooner it's promoted, the sooner Guidance can die. [01:52] ScottK: powerdevil is part of kdebase in 4.2 [01:52] apachelogger: Ah. [01:52] not easily ported? [01:52] Then it won't need a MIR since it's in a source package already in Main. [01:52] rgreening: well, removing kdelibs will remove most other stuff anyway [01:53] okies [02:09] ScottK: interesting posts [02:09] Hobbsee: Thanks. Any in particular? [02:10] ScottK: latest blog post, in particular [02:10] Oh. That one just seemed like common sense to me, but it's gotten lots of comments. [02:10] * Hobbsee is pondering getting her friend to switch, or so. [02:10] well, it is, somewhat. [02:10] but what to actually do for those windows-y apps, etc... [02:11] Of course you can install KDE on Windows now. [02:11] Just to keep us kind of on topic here. [02:12] Interesting news from .au: http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,24561082-5013040,00.html [02:12] Hobbsee: Tried Kubuntu Intrepid yet? [02:13] nasty. Good chance to switch them to ubuntu and such [02:13] been seeing an incremental uptake of ubuntu at uni, actually [02:13] ScottK: only in a VM for a bit. [02:14] Hobbsee: I have at least 10 fiends/family switched and they all love it. None are technical at all either [02:14] I do think it turned out quite well and it really is a lot more modern looking that KDE3 [02:14] I saw a Ubuntu Hardy desktop at the Python Intrest Group meeting I went to last week and it looked old and tired in comparison. No idea how Ubuntu Intrepid would look next to it. [02:15] My parents, who are in their 60's and computer illiterate use it for email, chatting, etc. [02:15] rgreening: her dad likes it. I should take a cd over there. [02:15] :) [02:15] been slowly converting him [02:15] pity i don't have an alternate cd, to upgrade his [02:16] Mom and dad wanted a new computer but a limited budget. I got them one without windows to save them 100$. [02:16] Installed hardy and it worked perfect. [02:16] Im still trying to convince my sister... [02:17] it'll just be some old dos programs that won't work, i expect. [02:17] My wife was easy to convert. "If you want a computer and you want me to support it, learn linux" :) [02:17] haha [02:17] oh, and i need a shirt. "No, I will not fix your computer" [02:17] lol. [02:18] I think I've seen that shirt. [02:20] so have I, but i don't have one [02:20] OTOH, i probably oculdnt' wear it to work [02:21] "oh, you're doing a computing degree? " [02:23] when someone with windows ask me to help them, I hand then a Kubuntu CD and say, insert, wait, click install and then I walk away. [02:24] lol [02:24] haha [02:24] :) [02:36] When I go to UDS, I'm going to have to bring some stuff from here :) [02:36] for my Kubuntu buds [02:38] Get stacks of CDs because shipit seems to only want to send me ugly brown ones. [02:45] lol [02:45] I was thinking more along the lines of something Newfoundlandish... [02:46] I think Im taking my Camera too ... It's a Rebel-Xt D-SLR [02:46] so I can get some snappies [02:46] for the blog === r0uzic is now known as r0uzic_ausente [03:16] Man. Spend an hour or two writing a blog post on details of new mail server features in Intrepid. Ho-hum. A comment or two. Spend 10 minutes zapping out something on switching your kids to Linux and the comments pour in. === dfiloni is now known as devfil === akonadi is now known as nihui [12:36] hello.. what would be the binary for the embedded konsole in dolphin? kdebase? [12:39] glade88: yes [12:40] hello [12:40] stdin: thanks :) [12:40] has anyone seen a problem with the colours in kde4? [12:41] please look at this screenshot [12:41] http://www.asshaueronline.de/pictures/kde4-mcas.jpeg [12:43] mcas: you are suffering from a case of "I fucked up my settings - need HALP" :P [12:43] mcas: systemesttings -> appearance -> icons -> advanced -> reset to defaults [12:45] apachelogger: thanks but the icons didn't changed [12:45] relogin [12:45] or maybe something doens't get reset [12:45] brb [12:48] re [12:48] apachelogger: still the same problem [12:48] mcas: paste your kdeglobals config [12:48] but if i click on the K-button it changed to blue [12:49] Oo [12:50] which config do you mean? [12:50] .kde/share/config/kdeglobals [12:52] http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/493 [12:59] mcas: search for Icons, remove all section of the sort [PanelIcons] [MainToolbarIcons] etc. [12:59] then _KILL_ your X [13:01] brb [13:05] re [13:05] apachelogger: same effect [13:07] mcas: paste the new kdeglobals [13:12] http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/494 [13:25] mcas: maybe it is related to the Color stuff [13:25] if it's not that I am pretty much out of ideas [13:26] i did a reset to defaults in the color section [13:26] no result [14:27] anyone know a simple way of hunting non-standard installed .debs? === r0uzic_ausente is now known as r0uzic [14:54] Sime: non-standard installed? [15:13] ppa etc. [15:13] it's working now... [15:16] I think I found a bug ;-) [15:16] Sime: in theory you should be able to use dpkg-query to get all packages which not originated in Ubuntu, however that seems to be broken [15:16] oh [15:20] ScottK: migration to akonadi is at least going to start in 4.2 [15:21] * apachelogger is going to prepare a couple of scripts (if not already by upstream) to easy migration testing [15:25] http://blog.laptopmag.com/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/network-manager.jpg << I think I saw something like that on another OS... :P [15:46] apachelogger: Please find a way to be making it optional. [15:50] ScottK: optional? [16:00] my.. is bugs.kde.org down? oO [16:01] glade88: not for me [16:02] if it's throwing errors wait a few minutes and try again [16:02] it does that a lot [16:03] Arby: I get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/65776/ [16:03] trying since about 10 mins now [16:03] glade88: that's a new one on me [16:03] :) [16:04] might as well send the e-mail as suggested [16:04] ok [16:04] I'll do that.. [16:04] I've seen it fail due to lack of available database connections quite frequently [16:04] apachelogger: I'd like the option to keep my mail in the current maildir store I use and not be forced to akonadi. Dunno if that's possible or not. [16:04] ScottK: I guess so [16:05] but akonadi is more reliable in any case [16:05] so I am not sure we shouldn't force it [16:05] I don't really feel like supporting these broken maildirs anymore TBH [16:05] apachelogger: I've never lost a message due to using Kmail and maildir. From my POV there is nothing possible more reliable. [16:06] ScottK: I did some years ago, nothing recent but according to bug reports the problems persist [16:06] so for you the reliability would just stay the same, but everything would be fast ;-) [16:06] The only problems I've seen are with IMAP and that's Kmail IMAP, not maildir. [16:07] apachelogger: I may believe that eventually, but I'm skeptical up front. [16:07] Faster would be nice, but not if it's going to risk my data. [16:09] ScottK: I never saw mysql loose data ;-) but I understand the POV. that is why I want to make testing as easy as possible, so we don't have to fear dataloss once akonadi becomes default [16:09] apachelogger: This is roughly equivalent to switching to Outlook .pst from my POV. [16:10] Switching from a standardized data format with lots of diverse tool and a long history to some opaque sheme that is unproven. [16:10] * ScottK has to run. [16:11] ScottK: see you in a few! [16:11] ScottK: you said essentially the same about switching to KDE 4 :P [16:11] * seele shoud probably run too.. she's probably furhter away thank ScottK :P [16:11] should be well thought through either way [16:12] seele: I have to drop kids off in multiple locations first. [16:12] apachelogger: My primary desktop is still Dapper ... [16:14] nothing wrong with that but the KMail maildir implimentation is buggy, you might not be affected but a lot of people are and especially the IMAP issues hurt [16:14] * smarter lost half his mails one month ago [16:14] not sure if I should blame KMail or something else [16:15] probably kmail, it likes to loose or cripple stuff from what I read [16:15] but in a completely random way, which makes debugging one awful job [16:19] ScottK: at least for kcal/kabc the migration is going to happen via compat resources which import the data and then the apps use akonadi, so I guess it should be possible to just use the compat resources instead of akonadi itself === me is now known as Guest21892 [16:50] Guest21892: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/271598 [16:50] Launchpad bug 271598 in kubuntu-default-settings "In KDE4 Konversation, clicking on URL does not open Konqueror" [Medium,Confirmed] [16:50] most awesome [16:52] hi - I am upgrading to ibex from hardy, but it doesn [16:52] doesnt start - /var seems to be mounted as a read only filesystem [16:52] #kubuntu for support [17:01] apachelogger: sure, but I rarely ever get answers there [17:02] apachelogger: what would replace skim in jaunty? [17:02] apachelogger: and why was it added to intrepid anyway? [17:02] glade88: the Qt 4 bridge [17:02] I am not sure skim is part of the default installation anymore [17:02] it caused problems with the qt4 bridge IIRC [17:03] well it was introduced on 26th oct iirc [17:03] and had to be immediately patched since it was causing app lags [17:04] it got introduced on 2006-02-04 :P [17:04] o.O [17:04] wasn't it remoed after then, I didn't have it until the 26th oc update [17:04] *oct [17:05] no, you just didn't see it because of a patch in kde4libs [17:05] eventually it was by default installed the whole intrepid development cycle [17:05] hm.. oic [17:05] just not listed in the menu [17:06] skim was disabled because it doesn't work with Qt4 apps [17:06] and I suddenly noticed it when it generated this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/289733 [17:06] Launchpad bug 289733 in scim "Scim installation upon kubuntu update causes application lag" [Undecided,Fix released] [17:06] or at least kde4 apps [17:06] smarter: I guess it can be removed from jaunty then? [17:06] it should be ported to qt4, not removed === Guest21892 is now known as apachelogger_ [17:07] smarter: there is no port whatsoever [17:07] I don't know what the use of skim is anyway [17:07] languages with characters that can't be all displayed on a keyboard [17:07] apachelogger_: maybe in OO.o transliteration? [17:07] well, that is what scim-bridge is doing [17:08] no clue what the use of skim is [17:08] skim is a tray icon to configure the thing and make it work [17:08] I guess it should be ported then [17:08] but meanwhile removed from the archives [17:08] there is no point in having unusable and confusing software stick around [17:09] as you want [17:09] * apachelogger_ is falling asleep because of the lightning fast branching with launchpad [17:12] smarter: go test 4.1.3 [17:12] all except artwork stacked-online [17:13] built for amd64? :P [17:14] smarter: install a vm [17:15] smarter: or get me a build server [17:15] still no news of private ppas? [17:15] no [17:16] seriously, why can't I invoke a branch command in launchpad directly? [17:17] running it through my maschine is so pointless [17:22] Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/hardy [17:22] Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/intrepid rather [17:28] *note to myself, I don't like konversation* [17:29] hrr [17:29] there we go === me is now known as Guest70414 [17:59] ScottK: please test the fix for bug 271598 [17:59] Launchpad bug 271598 in kubuntu-default-settings "In KDE4 Konversation, clicking on URL does not open Konqueror" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271598 [19:01] * claydoh loves reading apachelogger 's comments in launchpad :) [20:00] hi - I asked here a couple of days ago whether hardy-ibex upgrade would convert my mail accounts to kde4, and was told yes [20:00] this appears to not have happened, in fact the kmail settings dialog is completely blank [20:05] kmail has never been reliable for storing datas [20:06] I mean, there are no buttons/fields in the settings dialog beyond the ones at the bottom (ok, apply, cancel) [20:06] strange [20:06] could you provide a screenshot? [20:07] I could but don't really see the point - there is nothing to there :P [20:08] that could always give us a clue [20:09] I'll get back to you, have to put my boy in bed [20:10] ok === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [20:56] bluetooth doesn't work in 8.10? [21:01] nope. in the release notes... [21:01] the bluez stack got updated at the last minute and it broke in KDE [21:02] is not possible to fix it? [21:03] not until KDE solid updates can be backported I believe [21:04] oh, this is not a good news... :( === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [21:49] claydoh: of course you do :P [21:50] heh [21:50] * claydoh likes angery talk :) [21:52] s/rough/angry [21:59] I am wondering how exactly bug 43238 is a KDE issue [21:59] Launchpad bug 43238 in kubuntu-default-settings "Firefox open / save dialog is a pain for kde users" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43238 [21:59] smarter: thoughts? [22:00] it's not [22:01] gtk open/save dialogs just suck :P [22:01] one solution is to use kgtk [22:01] which make gtk apps use kde dialogs [22:01] that is no solution [22:01] that is a workaround [22:01] ~facts about apachelogger [22:01] [5/13] apachelogger has a batman pyjama. [6/13] "...and apachelogger hates workarounds". [7/13] apachelogger loves to pimp his hookers [22:01] :} [22:01] bouncing back to firefox [22:01] so, we just have to hope we get a good Firefox Qt [22:02] or that webkit will rule them all [22:03] webkit does rule em all [22:22] bug 248366 [22:22] Launchpad bug 248366 in xine-plugin "Subliminal advertising in xine-plugin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248366 [22:24] xerosis: most assaulting [22:25] don't get how this is caused by xine-plugin though [22:26] the mindd boggles [22:27] ahhh [22:30] xerosis: any clue where that would be displayed anyway? [22:31] apachelogger: the only time I've seen that was in gxine I think, is it used as a browser plugin? [22:31] possibly [22:32] xerosis: feel free to close that bug as won't fix ;-) [22:32] xine has an ui too [22:32] ah yeah, xine-ui [22:33] * smarter remembers using it, like 3 years ago :] [22:33] smarter: it doesn't use that logo though [22:34] using gxine would account for the gnome logo [22:34] dunno, I thought it had some kind of splash screen [22:34] xerosis: probably [22:35] * xerosis installs to check [22:36] nope, that has a lovely 3d logo [22:38] stdin: please follow SRU for bug 290589 [22:38] Launchpad bug 290589 in kde4libs "Long dbus command displayed on dialog when trying to mount hard drive via dolphin" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/290589 [22:39] apachelogger: I wanted some feedback on the patch before I took it further [22:39] okies [22:39] stdin: where did you ask for feedback? :P [22:39] here :) [22:39] did not see [22:39] it was a couple days ago now [22:40] I got called on babysitting duty this week [22:40] * apachelogger hugs stdin [22:52] I think jonny boy got lost again [23:12] Today, for me, should be titled "Not quite enough time to go all the way home". [23:12] Home for the first time in ~8 hours. [23:12] * ScottK waves at seele. [23:12] apachelogger: I'll look at the Konversation/Konqueror thing a bit later. [23:13] Dinner/getting kids to bed first. [23:19] * seele waves at ScottK [23:19] ScottK: ugh.. after a brownie AND a milkshake i dunno if i'm going to make it to dinner tonight [23:20] ;-) [23:20] You only had half the milkshake though. [23:24] yes, but the milkshake was humungous.. so it was really two milkshakes [23:25] it was better than the brownie too.. too bad i didnt drink the milkshake before i ate the brownie [23:26] what's our policy for bugs in kpdf (KDE3) now that we have okular in KDE4? [23:27] Arby: No kdpf in Intrepid so won'tfix unless it's potentially SRU worthy and then look into that. [23:28] ScottK: is completely unable to print considered SRU worthy? [23:28] specifically bug 230134 [23:28] Launchpad bug 230134 in kdegraphics "[hardy] Unable to print in KDE 3.5" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/230134 [23:29] it's actually kpdf that can't print, everything else is fine [23:29] Potentially. How certain is it that it's kpdf's fault? [23:29] kghostview is fine,openoffice is fine [23:29] according to upstream our KPDF is patched useless [23:30] Maybe. Arby I'd mark it won'tfix (due to not in Jaunty) and nominate for Hardy. [23:31] I hate poker! grr.. Had a Royal Flush chip leader... next hand had a straigh someone flopped quad 10s [23:31] ScottK: thanks