[00:02] <favro> zerothis: if I've followed the situation right your choices are not to have access to monitor 1 and keep the pending fsck or bite the bullet and restart X - yes?
[00:02] <victim[v]> A screenshot of my normal desktop http://www.ukimagehost.com/uploads/d6085c4dc1.png
[00:02] <victim[v]> A screenshot of the desktop when OpenOffice writer is focused, showing missing panels and corrupted K menu  http://www.ukimagehost.com/uploads/d5aa869b0e.png
[00:03]  * zerothis add fsck to his list of tasks never to attempt in GUI
[00:03] <favro> zerothis: I use the live cd to do fsck operations - so no partitions are mounted
[00:03] <birkof> hi all :)
[00:04] <favro> !hi
[00:04] <ardchoille> victim[v]: ouch!
[00:04] <victim[v]> these were made on Tuesday, I have since reinstalled, but the panels are still missing
[00:04] <victim[v]> it only does when OOO write is focused
[00:05] <zerothis> favro: correct, the mouse (or keyboard focus) needs to be transferred to monitor 1. Restarting X losses a drive full of data that's not even mine
[00:05] <victim[v]> if the spread sheet, impress etc is in focus the panels return to normal, it is very odd
[00:05] <ek> I do like the new KDE4 a lot though.
[00:05] <ek> If only this system had more resources...
[00:06] <totoro7> will now try to suspend to memory, wish me luck!
[00:06] <birkof> totoro7: good luck!
[00:06] <victim[v]> luck
[00:06] <birkof> i hope someone has the same problem of mine, here, i driving crazy :(
[00:07] <favro> birkof: you could tell us about it
[00:07] <zerothis> ek:: don't ever underestimate KDE's ability to strain any amount of resources
[00:07] <birkof> effect for alt+tab are not working, windows simply change focus
[00:07] <birkof> no effect, no animation, nothis
[00:08] <birkof> as the effects where disabled in control panel
[00:08] <birkof> intrepid ibex on amd64
[00:08] <favro> birkof: are you using the right vid card drivers?
[00:08] <birkof> favro: yes, nvidia, latest
[00:08] <favro> k
[00:08] <birkof> but...
[00:09] <favro> that's all I know about that...
[00:09] <birkof> what make me go crazy is that whit another user freshly created, evething is working!
[00:09] <zerothis> is there a command to force a focus change or reposition the cursor?
[00:09] <birkof> so i thiunk there is something wrong in the .kde tree, anyone has a clue?
[00:10] <birkof> favro: thank you :)
[00:10] <favro> birkof: try moving ~/.kde to ~/.kde-bak and logging out/in
[00:10] <ardchoille> birkof: Are you the admin of that box?
[00:11]  * birkof apologise for his bad english :(
[00:11] <birkof> ardchoille: yes
[00:11] <favro> your doing fine birkof
[00:11] <ardchoille> ok, I was going to ahev you try what favro said
[00:11] <birkof> ardchoille: my home desktop
[00:11] <birkof> ardchoille: thanks!
[00:12] <totoro7> and no, suspend to RAM doesn't work in my computer, it seems to turn off instead :-(
[00:12]  * totoro7 yells in frustration
[00:12] <favro> totoro7: afaik you need a larger swap the then the size of your ram for suspend/resume
[00:13] <birkof> favro: well, i'm quite sure this is working, but i have a lot of data .kde, and i was damn sure it's only a file that hurts...
[00:13] <totoro7> favro: swap is suitable, 6G vs 1G RAM
[00:13] <favro> k
[00:13] <totoro7> although it is encrypted, but I can't see how that could be a complicating factor
[00:14] <totoro7> the key would still be in RAM, right?
[00:14] <serenity> is it possibel to sync funambol and kontact (kde4)?
[00:14] <totoro7> and it seems to turn off altogether. Clicking the power button starts up the system normally...
[00:14] <birkof> totoro7: i don't know for sure, but when you suspend your data in the swap partition are not encrypted
[00:15] <totoro7> birkof: encrypted swap ;-)
[00:15] <Guest11064> does intrepid support kde3?
[00:15] <birkof> totoro7: ok, but when you suspend you memory is written in swap in clear form (i think)
[00:15] <totoro7> using crypttab to make a new swap with a different key every time.... or at least it was my intention...
[00:17] <totoro7> birkof: hmm... seems rather improbable... the kernel seems to access the swap partition in its encrypted form, can't see how it could write raw unencrypted information in it
[00:17] <totoro7> but I'm a newbie myself, so take my rambling with 3 grams of salt ;-)
[00:18] <chrisinajar> So, i installed intrepidand it totally and completely broke kde... I had to run IRC on a generic X with no window manager to even get here :-P
[00:18] <birkof> totoro7: we are in two :)
[00:18] <chrisinajar> well, upgraded to intrepid
[00:18] <totoro7> ;-)
[00:19] <birkof> totoro7: what i'm thinking is that when you star your computer normally, the swap is encrypted
[00:19] <birkof> totoro7: when you suspend, a copy of the memory overwrite the swap, in clear
[00:20] <chrisinajar> i also can't seem to get kde3 to work in intrepid, does intrepid not support it?
[00:20] <birkof> totoro7: then, you restart your computer, the kernel reload the memory from swap and recreate the crypted swap
[00:21] <totoro7> birkof: I'm trying to suspend to RAM, I don't think it should be writing anything in the swap partition at all...
[00:21] <birkof> totoro7: ah, ok, my mistake, then, sorry :)
[00:21] <totoro7> birkof: but yes, I don't expect suspending to disk will work in my machine too ;-)
[00:23] <birkof> totoro7: "if it can be wrong, it will be" :)
[00:24] <birkof> ok, seem i have to backup my .kde...
[00:24] <birkof> thank you for your help
[00:24] <birkof> bye! :)
[00:26] <chrisinajar> so a few days ago, i had a working kde3 and a working kde4 in hardy, i did an upgrade and now i have a broken kde4 and no kde3...
[00:30] <ahmedb> Hey guys I seem to have a strange problem .. after the upgrade I typed which kde4 and the result was /opt/kde4/bin/kde4
[00:31] <ahmedb> this is not to be expected because this location I reserve from the latest kde trunk from svn and the distro's packages should install in their standard locations
[00:31] <ahmedb> but I am assuming this may be the cause of many headaches I am having with the upgrade now .. any opinions/advice?
[00:31]  * Danu is back.
[00:33] <BlueDav> hey guys problem with second life how can install the update?
[00:40] <akaSoldats> anyone around?
[00:40] <chrisinajar> i am :)
[00:40] <chrisruls00[1461> I need help after upgrading to kubuntu 8.10, is this the right place to ask?
[00:41] <akaSoldats> ...
[00:41] <favro> this channel is for hardy and intrepid now
[00:41] <chrisinajar> chrisruls00[1461: upgrading is pretty easy, what's your question?
[00:41] <chrisruls00[1461> After upgrading to kubuntu 8.10 my drivers do not work.
[00:42] <chrisruls00[1461> And no xserver will launch
[00:42] <chrisinajar> my kde doesn't work :-P
[00:42] <chrisruls00[1461> I manualy installed the 9x series of NVidia drivers.
[00:43] <chrisruls00[1461> and I usually have to reinstall after upgrades, but this time it says it can't build it for my kernal.
[00:44] <chrisruls00[1461> I also noticed an error as kubuntu started up along the lines of "No sutible module found for the kernal"
[00:45] <SlimeyPete>  chrisruls00[1461 maybe nvidia haven't updated their drivers for the 2.6.27 kernel?
[00:45] <chrisinajar> i have vnidia drivers working in 2.6.27-7
[00:46] <SlimeyPete> chrisruls00[1461: you sure you need to install them manually? Does the intrepid nvidia package not work?
[00:46] <chrisruls00[1461> would it make a difference if I upgraded from the version of kubuntu 8.04 that used kde4?
[00:47] <chrisruls00[1461> I don't know the names of the packaged ones, however I already tried envy.
[00:47] <SlimeyPete> chrisruls00[1461: doubt it, in fac according to the kubuntu website the KDE4 Remix distro doesn't upgrade well
[00:47] <SlimeyPete> !nvidia
[00:48] <chrisinajar> what package do i need to install to get kde3?
[00:48] <SlimeyPete> chrisruls00[1461: envy is generally considered....risky, at best
[00:48] <SlimeyPete> an 'apt-cache search nvidia' should show up the nvidia pakcages
[00:48] <chrisruls00[1461> it didn't fix anything so I uninstalled envy.
[00:49] <chrisruls00[1461> ah, I knew there had to be a way to search packages from command line, thanks.
[00:50] <chrisinajar> chrisruls00[1461: what's uname -r say?
[00:50] <totoro7> ah, finally got that out of my heart... http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/15078/
[00:50] <SlimeyPete> I dunno why they don't integrate apt-cache and apt-get
[00:50] <ahmedb> Hey guys how do I reinstall qt from packages?
[00:51] <chrisinajar> ahmedb: apt-get install libqt-core --reinstall
[00:51] <ahmedb> and will this reinstall all its modules/components or just the core
[00:52] <ahmedb> Could not find package qt-core!
[00:52] <chrisruls00[1461> just a sec, I'll go try that uname -r thing real quick...
[00:55] <White_Pelican> when will open office 3 be available for hardy?
[00:56] <SlimeyPete> I doubt it ever will. It's a version upgrade.
[00:56] <favro> prob be a month or so if ever
[00:56] <SlimeyPete> possibly it'll be in backports
[00:56] <Darthfrog> White_Pelican: It may never be.
[00:58] <scribbles> I don't get it. Click on install packages in Adept, go to Preview Window, only Upgrade and Revert Changes are available, click Upgrade nothin ghappens, Apply Changes stays grayed out.
[00:58] <jt66> scribbles, 8.10
[00:58] <scribbles> dpkg errors apparently
[00:58] <scribbles> :/
[00:58] <scribbles> jt66 yes
[00:59] <jt66> scribbles, i had some problems with adept it does not work as it did in 3.5.X kde
[00:59] <jt66> scribbles, but not that problem
[00:59] <scribbles> seems very weird and buggy, already had two errors on a fresh install requesting me to do dpkg and apt -f in konsole
[00:59] <chrisruls00[1461> I tried installing the packages for my NVidia driver and it says it can not find my nvidia.ko file for the DKMS tree, and that I need to use dkms to build my inux kernal. What does this mean?
[01:00] <jt66> scribbles, i had some request to do some upgrade also and ignored it and it went away strange
[01:00] <scribbles> looks like "apt-get -f install" fixed one issue, what does this command do?
[01:01] <jt66> scribbles, as i understand it, it does some kind of fixin to the pkg db
[01:02] <jt66> scribbles, when apt cmds get hosed that is the command to run
[01:02] <favro>  -f is the short version of --fix-missing afaik
[01:02] <jt66> favro, what is afaik
[01:03] <favro> as far as I know
[01:03] <jt66> favro whew! thanks have seen that all over did not know
[01:03] <afeijo> how to run both FF2 and FF3 on my machine?
[01:05] <White_Pelican> ty Darthfrog
[01:05] <scribbles> did anyone's 8.10 upgrade actually go smoothly?
[01:05] <scribbles> I ended up having to recover data using the livecd and fresh install
[01:06] <jt66> scribbles, to the developers credit they do a great job on the upgrade
[01:06] <jt66> but there are just too many possible holes to be missed on upgrades
[01:06] <victorjdh> I need help with Sockets
[01:07] <victorjdh> i develop in C
[01:07] <SlimeyPete> so... ask in #c? :)
[01:07] <victorjdh> only C/C++
[01:07] <victorjdh> not C#
[01:07] <SlimeyPete> erm, #c is for C
[01:08] <SlimeyPete> not c#
[01:08] <victorjdh> oh
[01:08] <victorjdh> sorry
[01:08] <scribbles> lmao
[01:08] <SlimeyPete> # = channel prefix :)
[01:08] <victorjdh> i'm getting start
[01:08] <SlimeyPete> no problem :)
[01:08] <victorjdh> thanks friend
[01:10] <lliurex__> hola
[01:11] <victorjdh> hola amigo
[01:11] <victorjdh> como estas
[01:11] <lliurex__> pasando el rato
[01:11] <victorjdh> O.o
[01:12] <victorjdh> de onde es?
[01:12] <lliurex__> no hay sueño
[01:12] <lliurex__> norte
[01:12] <chrisruls00[1461> is there a way to reinstall the latest kernal? I think something messed up during the instilation
[01:12] <victorjdh> soy do brasil
[01:13] <afeijo> puts, um brazuca
[01:13] <victorjdh> ashahs
[01:13] <victorjdh> tentando fala com o cara lah
[01:13] <ardchoille> !br
[01:13] <victorjdh> kk
[01:14] <afeijo> they dont like ppl talking here that is not in english
[01:14] <ardchoille> afeijo: I don't think that's it. The main reason I do that is to direct folks to channels of their language so there are more eyes viewing their question in the proper language. thus more help :)
[01:14] <billytwowilly> how do I tell if my network card is using gigabit speeds?
[01:15] <victorjdh> ok ard...
[01:15] <jt66> ardchoille, just curious are u a channel op
[01:15] <ardchoille> no
[01:15] <billytwowilly> I know it's supported, I'm just not sure if it's on. I just plugged it into a new gigabit switch
[01:15] <jt66> ardchoille, thanks
[01:15] <afeijo> ardchoille: I wasnt complaning, this is natural.  But when two talk, it might not be for help, but just chating in they own language.  A few msgs is on IMHO, more than a dozen is abuse hehehe
[01:16] <ardchoille> afeijo: I see :)
[01:16] <afeijo> *a few msgs is ok...
[01:16] <victorjdh> we were happy in meet another like you
[01:16] <victorjdh> so good night
[01:17] <afeijo> night
[01:17] <victorjdh> i'm very tired
[01:17] <favro> seems a waste of the language channels tho if people don't use 'em
[01:17] <afeijo> bom sono, magrão hahah
[01:17] <victorjdh> ^^
[01:17] <victorjdh> i'm thin, yu're sure
[01:17] <victorjdh> you're sure*
[01:17] <afeijo> favro: most language channels have just a bunch of ppl, hard to find help there
[01:17] <victorjdh> i think it too
[01:17] <scribbles> can i still use the libdvdcss2 package from 8.04?
[01:18] <esteban> hola
[01:18] <victorjdh> Byes from Natal/RN!!! Fuuui
[01:18] <afeijo> byes from POA/RS
[01:18] <ardchoille> scribbles: afaik, libdvdcss2 hasn't been updated in quite a while and the same package has beenused in multiple releases, so I would say it's fine
[01:19] <esteban> hola
[01:20] <jt66> afeijo, so you get more help in the english channels
[01:20] <favro> !es | esteban
[01:21] <afeijo> jt66: naturally, 300+ ppl just here :)
[01:21] <afeijo> jt66: too bad for those that dont talk in english
[01:21] <jt66> Dr_willis, the doctor is in the house
[01:21] <esteban> ok
[01:21] <Dr_willis> Woot
[01:21] <afeijo> hi Dr_willis!!
[01:21] <Dr_willis> GOt the weekend off.
[01:21] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:22] <ardchoille> kget is nice, I downloaded 9 iso's while I was asleep :)
[01:22] <ardchoille> s/I/it/
[01:24] <jt66> ardchoille, nice to know about that one something new
[01:25] <ardchoille> Yeah, I used it back in Warty but it's just not a well known app
[01:26] <jt66> ardchoille, if not personal what iso's wer you dnlding
[01:26] <ardchoille> jt66: Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and others
[01:26] <ardchoille> I help people switch to Linux and it's nice to have a few distros to offer
[01:26] <jt66> ardchoille, ah, do you know about rsync'ing them
[01:27] <ardchoille> yes
[01:27] <jt66> ardchoille, business people of folks in general
[01:27] <ardchoille> anyone
[01:28] <Dr_willis> a few disrtos that are basically the same with differnt desktops? :)
[01:28] <ardchoille> Is it possible to have all windows shaded and then have each unshade upon mouse over?
[01:28] <Dr_willis> ardchoille   ive seen that feature in compiz I think
[01:28] <Dr_willis> I hate the whole shade thing..
[01:28] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: some .deb based, some .rpm based
[01:29] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: I usually have many windows open, don't usually see my desktop at all, and this feature helps in finding wndows
[01:29] <Dr_willis> ardchoille   ive also seen a similer feature in that metesse window manager. ( but not sure how installable that is under ubuntu at this time)
[01:29] <Dr_willis> Inormally have many windows open..but they are most all maxamized
[01:29] <ardchoille> I'll have to look into that
[01:29] <jt66> ardchoille, i ask because i am trying to write a migration doc for the georgia ubuntu team and like to get any info on migration problems i can
[01:30] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: I can't get the nvidia drivers to work properly in Hardy so compiz is out afaik
[01:30] <Lars_G> Ok hi all again.
[01:30] <brendan_> hi, so kde3 is gone from intrepid, is this temporary, or has support for kde3 ended
[01:30] <Dr_willis> ardchoille   seems to be a lot of people with that issue.
[01:30] <ardchoille> brendan_: it's gone for good
[01:31] <Lars_G> I finished the upgrade to 8.10, I managed to get nvidia working with a default config, started X with root, and configured it with nvidia-settings allright
[01:31] <Dr_willis> I did a clean insall and dont have any nvidia issues.. yet :)
[01:31] <Lars_G> but now when I rebook, kdm shows a (beautyful, grey with swirling patterns) background, and my mouse pointer... but nothing else, no login window or text.
[01:31] <Lars_G> any ideas?
[01:31] <ardchoille> the problem I have is that the nvidia drivers leave me with blank tty1-6 and I need my tty's
[01:32] <akaSoldats> i have the smae problem with nvidia but mine is bareable
[01:32] <Dr_willis> Lars_G   You are using a normal lcd? not 2 monitors? or a kvm switch?
[01:32] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: dual LCD monitors.
[01:32] <Dr_willis> Its not defaulting to the other lcd? :)
[01:33] <Dr_willis> I had GDM default to my tv out once...  dident reslize what was going on.. tilli turned on the tv..
[01:33] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: I enabled nvidia's twinview (I used xinerama before). the background shows in the middle between the two LCDs, and I see nothing but half a background in either.
[01:33] <Dr_willis> after enabling twinview with the nvidia-settings tool, one must restart the x server for it to work  100% properly.
[01:34] <Dr_willis> Ive noticed one can apply/make it start - but the apps will still be confused till X is restarted
[01:34] <Dr_willis> ie: maxamize over 2 monitors, and so forth.
[01:34] <acemo> ardchoille: kde3 libs can still be installed for programs like k3b?
[01:35] <ardchoille> acemo: I would think that installing k3b would pull in kdelibs
[01:35] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: If you give me a minute...
[01:35] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: I restarted x
[01:35] <acemo> ardchoille: alright
[01:35] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: I'm thinking on trying back my non-twinview xinerama approach
[01:35] <ardchoille> acemo: dependencies and all
[01:36] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: Ok check http://eternalzoo.blogspot.com
[01:36] <akaSoldats> is there an ap out for linux that you can see your xbox live frineds list?
[01:36] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: I upped a phoneshot of what I get :D
[01:37] <ardchoille> what is the menu used in Intrepid? I'd like to see if it's in the Hardy repos
[01:37] <Dr_willis> Lars_G   You have restarted the X server after enabling twinview?
[01:38] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: yep
[01:39] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: Right now I switched it to xinerama screens and X is not starting, I'm trying to find the error in the Xorg log
[01:40] <Lars_G> Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section...
[01:40] <Lars_G> huh
[01:43] <Dr_willis>  If i see a machine on my network as in --> smb://fileserver/   and i want to discover its ip# so i can ssh to it... is there a easy way todo that? nmaping the whole lan and guessing.. is what ive been doing  :)
[01:49] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: from a shell use nmblookup
[01:49] <Dr_willis> yea.. i got some commands on google that  give me a lot of info.. but not finding a single command that does just what i want. :)
[01:49] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: nmblookup fileserver
[01:50] <Dr_willis> heh - the examples i found dident have that simple of an example.. :)
[01:50] <Dr_willis> was playing with -->  nmblookup -d 2 '*'
[01:51] <Dr_willis> its amazing the  amount of info ive just learned from this one page.
[01:51] <Lars_G> lol
[01:51] <Dr_willis> http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch12_:_Samba_Security_and_Troubleshooting#Testing_Samba_Client_.2F_Server_Connectivity
[01:51] <Lars_G> but not the simple answer
[01:51] <Dr_willis> Im still not sure of a way where i could just 'ping fileserver' and have it be correct. without using a static ip, and editing my hosts file
[01:52] <Dr_willis> I think theres somthing to do with windbind that i can get it to work that way.. but still researching it.
[01:52] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: if you're in a AD or domain hosted domain, you probably have the machine names entered into the AD dhcp server when they join
[01:53] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: So all you need to do is config the system right to query the DNS server on the AD.
[01:53] <Dr_willis> Im just on a home lan with 5 pcs
[01:53] <Lars_G> ok
[01:53] <Dr_willis>  so static is the 'easy' way.. but  im looking for somthing a little easier. :)
[01:53] <Lars_G> What kind of a dhcp server do you use?
[01:53] <Dr_willis> just using a home router for the dhcp server
[01:53] <Lars_G> Well for such a small network...
[01:54] <Dr_willis> it 'normally' applies the same ip per machine.. but some times it dont
[01:54] <Lars_G> I'd install Apple's Bonjour for windows on all the windows machines.
[01:54] <Lars_G> so you can use avahi on linux and bonjour on windows and apple.
[01:54] <Lars_G> basically mDNS
[01:54] <Lars_G> for a small network it's a perfect solution
[01:54] <Dr_willis> ive never have gotten avahi to do much of anything under linux. :)
[01:54] <Lars_G> Just use the name of the machine + the .local prefix.
[01:54] <Dr_willis> i can barely find out what its supposed to do.  Hmm. so ping fileserver.local ?
[01:55] <Lars_G> correct
[01:55] <Lars_G> but that will only work if fileserver is broadcasting mDNS, and it will only do it if you add apple's Bonjour to it
[01:55] <Lars_G> Or an equivalent mDNS daemon
[01:55] <nejode> Dr_willis: smb4k
[01:56] <Lars_G> I don't think kdm 4.1.2 is friendly to twinview... that or my kdm is broken, let me try to turn off twinview and see what happens
[01:57] <Dr_willis> smb4k was how ive done it in the past nejode  but smb4k seems to be gettting  'old' and seems to have more and more issues with eachnew release
[01:57] <christ> hi
[01:58] <favro> there's been a few people mention nvidia troubles and intrepid in the same sentence
[01:58] <christ> How can I restore the activities option?
[02:00] <Lars_G> Ok it's not twinview or xinerama, if I use a single monitor, as a single screen, I also get the background in my screen but nothing else
[02:00] <Lars_G> I think my kdm install is foobared.
[02:00] <Lars_G> I'll try purging it, and then reinstalling
[02:00] <christ> How can I have the activities back?
[02:01] <Dr_willis> what activities?
[02:01] <Dragnslcr> Activities?
[02:01] <Dr_willis> it pays to be verbose yet concise on IRC. ;)
[02:03] <Lars_G> Please explain yourself and don't talk so much
[02:03] <Lars_G> :P
[02:03] <nejode> Dr_willis: it still works great for me, it mounts shares, syncronizes, integrates with konqueror, autenticates with a non domain win server...
[02:03]  * Lars_G lays his head on Dr_willis and weeps
[02:04] <christ> Don t you know the activities? It is maybe because in Kubuntu the are deletet.
[02:04] <christ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhODrJkoidA
[02:04] <christ> http://forum.kde.org/showthread.php?tid=7671
[02:05] <christ> Activities are a new concept, it is part of plasma... And default in KDE 4.1...
[02:05] <Dr_willis> cant say that the video really shows me what an activity is.. looks like its a 'virtual desktop' to me
[02:05] <Dr_willis> Gotta love kde4 and its fancy new terms
[02:06] <alexander__> hi has anybody got a nvidia running on 8.10
[02:06] <Dragnslcr> That thread seems to explain exactly what's going on in 8.10 with that
[02:06] <Lars_G> HAHAHHA
[02:06] <Dr_willis> alexander__   it workes on my nvidia laptop
[02:06] <Lars_G> nvidia and 8.10, the hell come to life
[02:06] <alexander__> damm it
[02:07] <Dr_willis> alexander__   not tried it on my desktop 8800 gtsxxx yet
[02:07] <alexander__> i have a nv140  quadro and 3d wont run
[02:07] <Lars_G> alexander__: it works with me now too. if you have your nvidia module loaded in kernel try resetting xorg.conf to a basic config, use startx as root and run nvidia-settings it's what I did
[02:07] <alexander__> its a thinkpad
[02:07] <alexander__> everything else runs
[02:07] <alexander__> will try
[02:07] <christ> Dragnslcr: How can I get them back?
[02:08] <Lars_G> I'm still fighting kdm anyhow
[02:08] <Daisuke_Ido> you know, maybe it's time to upgrade the nvidia cards that fall under legacy...
[02:08] <BluesKaj> any successful ATI /  xorg.conf edits on 8.10 ?
[02:08] <acemo> [167.684402] end_request I/O error, dev sr0, sector 1432760
[02:08] <Daisuke_Ido> a reasonable supported card can be had for like...  $25
[02:08] <Lars_G> alexander__: someone else told me, envyng is a great way to install the packages for nvidia drivers on 8.10
[02:08] <acemo> thats good right?
[02:08] <Lars_G> Daisuke_Ido: I have a recent, supported card
[02:08] <Daisuke_Ido> really
[02:08] <jt66> Dr_willis, instead of creating plazmoids how about fixing session save and tabs in kde ;/
[02:08] <Daisuke_Ido> how recent?
[02:08] <christ> Nvidia has to release a new driver that supports Xserver 1.5.
[02:08] <Dr_willis> Nifty.. my avahi-fu is growing. Just discovered     avahi-discover
[02:09] <Daisuke_Ido> i know the old cards are an absolute no-go because of X, but wow
[02:09] <Dragnslcr> christ- did you read the part of the thread that said wait for it to get fixed in an update?
[02:09] <Dr_willis> I dident think envyng  was in 8.10
[02:09] <Dr_willis> !info envyng
[02:09] <Lars_G> KDM still broken
[02:09] <bazhang> envyng-qt
[02:09] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: ... it installed and worked for me.
[02:09] <Dr_willis> !find envyng
[02:09] <Lars_G> !info envyng-core
[02:09] <Daisuke_Ido> !info envyng-qt
[02:09] <Lars_G> Core gives you the txt version
[02:10] <Lars_G> -qt gives you the gui version
[02:10] <acemo> device sr0, is that the dvd player?
[02:10] <Dr_willis> What no envyng-ncurses !?
[02:10] <Dr_willis> :)
 Package envyng does not exist in intrepid
[02:10] <alexander__> [19:09]
[02:10] <Dr_willis> Ok core is text. :)
[02:10] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: -core is enough
[02:10] <alexander__> ubottu> Package envyng does not exist in intrepid    well its there
[02:10] <Lars_G> GAH KDM IS BROKEN FOR ME
[02:10] <christ> Dragnslcr: that was about 13 days ago. In Hardy I have had the activities :(
[02:10]  * Lars_G hits it with a pipe
[02:10] <Daisuke_Ido> alexander__: it doesn't.  envyng-core, envyng-qt, and envyng-gtk do though
[02:10] <Dr_willis> i had to use envyng for this laptop under the older release.. but not 8.10
[02:10] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: Help me please
[02:10]  * Lars_G weeps
[02:11] <Daisuke_Ido> it searches for an exact package name match
[02:11] <Dr_willis> Lars_G   you can login  without KDM fine? via console/startx ?
[02:11] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: yep
[02:11] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: And kdm shows a background and my pointer.... but nothing else, no login window, no nothing
[02:11] <Lars_G> Does anyone know why kdm 4.1.2 (intrepid) would show a background but nothing else at all?
[02:11] <Dr_willis> kill the kdm service, then as root just run 'kdm' and look in the console for any errors perhaps?
[02:12] <NightDragon> help
[02:12] <Renegade15> good day. is there a way to check the integrity of an 8.10 upgrade?
[02:12] <NightDragon> 8.10 nuked my xorg.conf file.
[02:12] <Lars_G> Hmmm I have an idea...
[02:12] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: I have an idea.
[02:12] <NightDragon> :(
[02:13] <Dr_willis> Egads! :)
[02:13] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, the major changes made in intrepid are SO turning this into another edgy :\
[02:13] <jt66> NightDragon, and let me guess you did not have a copy of the previous ;/
[02:13] <christ> Dragnslcr: An update to fix this is not needed, they where disabled.
[02:13] <Dr_willis> ther emay be backups of the older xorg.confs in /etc/X11
[02:13] <NightDragon> but...ubuntu is supposed to be so brezzily automatic!
[02:14] <Lars_G> no my idea was wrong
[02:14] <Renegade15> NightDragon, did you ever drop to recovery mode and fix X in the past?
[02:14] <Dr_willis> My clean install of 8.10 is very automatic.
[02:14] <Daisuke_Ido> NightDragon: in theory, everything should work.  unfortunately, this is real life, not theory
[02:14] <NightDragon> i dont think i've ever had a problem before
[02:14] <Renegade15> I think that auto-generates a backup
[02:14] <NightDragon> (i'm using gnome, not KDE btw)
[02:14] <Dr_willis> shouldent matter what desktop
[02:14] <alexander__> If I run envyng  it tells me that the headers of my kernel are missing ???
[02:14] <Daisuke_Ido> clean install was great, just having a real problem with gnome-session eating up one of my cores constantly
[02:14] <Lars_G> NightDragon: you're about to be banished to #ubuntu ;)
[02:14] <Daisuke_Ido> and making it so i can't launch new apps :\
[02:14] <NightDragon> lol but they dont help over there :(
[02:15] <Mac40DO> Hi! How can I make konsole remember size and position on the desktop (kde4)?
[02:15] <NightDragon> acutally
[02:15] <NightDragon> there is stuff in my xorg.conf
[02:15] <NightDragon> but it looks like its default
[02:15] <Daisuke_Ido> #ubuntu's so flooded right now that trying to get help there is like trying to drain the ocean with a bucket.
[02:15]  * Dr_willis finds #ubuntu very helpfull :)
[02:15] <NightDragon> lol
[02:15] <Renegade15> is there any way to check the integrity of an upgrade?
[02:16] <NightDragon> would someone like to take a look at my startup logs?
[02:16] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis: then can you explain my gnome-session problem?
[02:16] <NightDragon> (see? not completely without clue)
[02:16]  * Lars_G becomes rabid
[02:16] <jt66> Mac40DO, i have been having problems with that and i wrote a shell to handle new windows
[02:16] <Lars_G> NightDragon: The default xorg.conf is very very skim, about 3 sections and 9 or 10 lines.
[02:16] <Daisuke_Ido> and generally they are helpful, but with the main thrust of ubuntu being gnome, that's where the mass cluster of new users and upgrade problems end up
[02:16] <jt66> Mac40DO, kde4 is still lacking in many areas
[02:16] <NightDragon> yep
[02:17] <Dr_willis> Daisuke_Ido   what  problem?  PEBKAC?
[02:17] <Mac40DO> jt66: so there is no way to do it in kde, without scripting?
[02:17] <NightDragon> its not long at all
[02:17] <NightDragon> would you like to see my logfile?
[02:17] <jt66> Mac40DO, i tried several approaches and only desktop 1 woudl keep the size and positon i set for konsole
[02:18] <Dr_willis> Ive noticed that konsole for kde4. seems to be missing some features of the 3.5 konsole.
[02:18] <Lars_G> what's the name of the kde config-our-apps app?
[02:18] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis: after being on for a while, gnome-session starts taking up an entire core of my processor.  strace -p throws literally thousands of too many files open errors, and any new app i try to launch after that point hangs with (in system monitor) 'unix_stream_data_wait'
[02:18] <Dr_willis> I ended up using yakuake  more and more. :)
[02:18] <jt66> Dr_willis, that is an understatement ;/
[02:18] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: I'm a yakuake adict
[02:18] <jt66> what is yakuake
[02:18] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: It's gotten so bad that at any machine (and OS) I sit at, the first thing I do is hit F12
[02:18] <Daisuke_Ido> !yakuake | jt66
[02:18] <acemo> device sr0 should that be my dvd player?
[02:18] <Dr_willis> Daisuke_Ido   Hmm.. not seen that issue here. Im on AMD CPU's mainly. dualcores
[02:19] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm on an amd dual core
[02:19] <Lars_G> jt66: It's a sliding, hiding, quake inspired gui terminal for kde
[02:19] <NightDragon> where do i find the log that i'm looking for?
[02:19] <Daisuke_Ido> x2 3800+, socket 939
[02:19] <Mac40DO> jt66: I used kde4 with 8.04. ands there konsole remember his size, like in kde3. Now, after isntalling a complete 8.10, it does not work any more.
[02:19] <Lars_G> what's the name of the kde config-our-apps app?
[02:19] <jt66> Lars_G, ok have to look into it
[02:20] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis: i even completely dumped my .gconf, .gconfd, and .gnome2 directories thinking it was something in the config i had before that wasn't playing nice, and that didn't fix it
[02:20] <jt66> Mac40DO, kde 4.0 or 4.1 in 8.04
[02:20] <Mac40DO> jt66: kde-4.1.2
[02:21] <lokpest> where do kppp store profiles?
[02:21] <jt66> Mac40DO, like i said i wrote a shell workaround until the problem is fixed ;/
[02:21] <Mac40DO> jt66: other things, that worked in 8.04 and kde4 are not working any more in 8.10: for example I can't install new wallpapers.
[02:22] <jt66> Mac40DO, yes an i miss opening tabs at the bottom left of window, such is life
[02:22] <Renegade15> is there any way to check the integrity of an upgrade, to see if it was complete?
[02:23] <Daisuke_Ido> Renegade15: is the system working?
[02:23] <Renegade15> it seems like it, after I manually invoked dpkg --configure -a
[02:24] <lokpest> lsb_release -a
[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> that should take care of any unresolved issues
[02:24] <Renegade15> okay
[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> well, time for me to mosey on over to the lab
[02:24] <Renegade15> I take it reports over not-quite-as-smooth upgrade paths go to the bug tracker?
[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis: if you hear of anyone with a similar issue concerning gnome-session, let me know :D
[02:25] <Dr_willis> Daisuke_Ido  this was a clean install or upgrade?
[02:26] <tekteen> !bot
[02:26]  * Renegade15 -- /msg EvilRenegade sexy; /msg EvilRenegade pass your_password; !date bday <month> <day> <year>, where month is a three-letter-abbreviation.
[02:26] <OzoneNerd> Could someone fully explain to me how to make a hotkey to open up Konsole if I press cntl-shift-F5 (For example)?  I have tried to do it a few times, but it hasn't worked so far.
[02:26] <NightDragon> argh!
[02:27]  * Lars_G goes insane
[02:28]  * Lars_G jumps to a wall and starts throwing feces at people
[02:28] <Lars_G> ARGHHH
[02:28] <jt66> OzoneNerd, two questions r u using 8.10 and did it work in previous releases
[02:29] <wers> other than .kde4, where can i find kde configuration files?
[02:29] <OzoneNerd> jt66: Yes, and yes.
[02:29] <OzoneNerd> jt66: Though I think it's a different interface.
[02:29] <Lars_G> wers: .kde
[02:29] <Lars_G> wers: In fact since kde4 is the.... WTF
[02:29] <Lars_G> ok as I was saying
[02:30] <Lars_G> wers: Since kde4 is the default in Intrepid, and known simply as kde, probably they switched to .kde for config rather than .kde4
[02:30] <jt66> OzoneNerd, welcome to the incomplete kde 4 that comes with 8.10 there are several areas that dont work properly at this time
[02:30] <wers>  oooh. niice
[02:30] <Lars_G> probably I say, I've not verified this
[02:30] <OzoneNerd> jt66: Alright, So, this is a known problem?
[02:31] <jt66> OzoneNerd, not sure it is known but there are lots of problems
[02:32] <jt66> OzoneNerd, i have two or three myself but dont bother to report as i believe kde devls are trying to get 4.2 out the door
[02:33] <jt66> kde is so complex it resembles a totally different OS
[02:33] <OzoneNerd> Did anybody else have keyboard issues?  My arrows don't work, but the up key acts like Prnt Scrn.
[02:34] <jt66> OzoneNerd, let me try those keys have to boot another machine first tho
[02:35] <OzoneNerd> jt66: Thanks.
[02:35] <jt66> OzoneNerd, arrows as used lets say in vim?
[02:36] <OzoneNerd> And F5 comes out as ~.
[02:36] <OzoneNerd> jt66: anywhere.
[02:36] <favro> OzoneNerd: sounds like you're using the wrong keyboard layout
[02:36] <OzoneNerd> cntl-shft-f5 comes out as ;6~ ...
[02:36] <Dr_willis> if you are using vim, you may wish to install the vim-full package.
[02:36] <Dr_willis> but this dosent sound like a vim issue
[02:36] <jt66> OzoneNerd, one thing i will say for kde4 is that is is lightning fast on startup now
[02:36] <OzoneNerd> favro: I'm using the same one as I did in Hardy.
[02:37] <favro> OzoneNerd: is it a fresh install or upgrade?
[02:38] <OzoneNerd> fresh.
[02:38] <OzoneNerd> I have an idea what it might be.
[02:38] <jt66> OzoneNerd, my arrow keys work fine, my up key works fine did you do fresh install or upgrade to 8.10
[02:38] <OzoneNerd> I need to restart first though, and I'm downloading packages.
[02:38] <favro> we'll wait :)
[02:39] <jt66> favro, sorry did not see your question
[02:40] <favro> jt66: no need to apologise I wasn't offended :)
[02:40] <jt66> k
[02:40] <ardchoille> what is the menu used in Intrepid? It's not kbfx or tastymenu and I'd like to see if it's in the Hardy repos
[02:41] <Daisuke_Ido> isn't it kickoff?
[02:41] <OzoneNerd> Ya'know, my hotkeys'll probably work once I got my keyboard codes in correctly.
[02:41] <jt66> yes kickoff and you can go to classic, whatever classic is
[02:42] <ardchoille> Daisuke_Ido: Ah, looks like it thanks
[02:42] <NightDragon> ach! nobody in #ati
[02:42] <Daisuke_Ido> jt66: classic is the classic kde3 menu
[02:42] <ardchoille> jt66: classic is likely the kde3 menu layout
[02:42] <Daisuke_Ido> ardchoille: have you checked out lancelot?
[02:42] <jt66> OzoneNerd, did you get to 8.10 via upgrade or fresh install
[02:43] <ardchoille> Daisuke_Ido: Never heard of it but will check that out too
[02:43] <ardchoille> Daisuke_Ido: neither are in the Hardy repos :(
[02:43] <Daisuke_Ido> ardchoille: http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/main
[02:43] <OzoneNerd> jt66: fresh
[02:43] <Daisuke_Ido> it is available for hardy, i think it's in the ppa
[02:44] <jt66> OzoneNerd, k
[02:44] <ardchoille> nice
[02:44] <Daisuke_Ido> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive
[02:44] <Lars_G> Ok I think most of my kde problems come from a mixing of Hardy's -kde4 packages, and Intrepid's -kde4less packages
[02:44] <ardchoille> Daisuke_Ido: I think lancelot is only for kde4
[02:44] <Lars_G> I'm purging all -kde4
[02:44] <NightDragon> jesus christ, you cant get help anywhere lol
[02:44] <Lars_G> and installing the new equivalents
[02:44] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, yes, it is
[02:44] <ardchoille> Daisuke_Ido: Hardy here
[02:44] <Daisuke_Ido> but extremely lovely
[02:44] <Daisuke_Ido> hardy can use kde4 :)
[02:44] <ardchoille> it is
[02:45] <ardchoille> Daisuke_Ido: yes, but the kde4 in Hardy is old and buggy
[02:45]  * dr_willis waits for service pack 1 for kde4
[02:45] <Daisuke_Ido> ardchoille: again, that ppa is 4.1.2 :)
[02:45]  * Lars_G watches dr_willis disdainfully
[02:45] <dr_willis> The KDE4 in Ibex.  is just buggy.. but its new. :)
[02:45] <Daisuke_Ido> welcome back dr_willis
[02:45] <ardchoille> right and I think the kde4 in Hardy is 4.01
[02:45] <Daisuke_Ido> ardchoille: yes, but the ppa is 4.1.2 for hardy :D
[02:45] <Lars_G> ardchoille: No, hardy has 4.1.2 too, but it's been troublesome for me
[02:46] <Daisuke_Ido> works well, i was using it before i installed intrepid
[02:46] <ardchoille> Daisuke_Ido: and that includes all the libs for kde4.1.2?
[02:46] <Daisuke_Ido> dr_willis: in response to your earlier question, it's sort of a fresh install
[02:46] <Daisuke_Ido> ardchoille: yep
[02:46] <Lars_G> Daisuke_Ido: I had troubles with Hardy's kde4
[02:46] <ardchoille> oh, nice, thanks Daisuke_Ido
[02:46] <Daisuke_Ido> dr_willis: i had my /home partition from hardy
[02:46] <Daisuke_Ido> (and gutsy)
[02:46] <dr_willis>  sort of a fresh install? :)  Heh...
[02:46]  * genii sips
[02:46] <Daisuke_Ido> but i dumped everything that i thought was gnome related
[02:46] <dr_willis> try a new user - see if the issue affects them?
[02:47] <Daisuke_Ido> that could work
[02:47] <dr_willis> thats like  a top 10 thing in my 'troubleshooting list' to test :)
[02:47] <Lars_G> Daisuke_Ido: Including firefox? ;)
[02:47] <Daisuke_Ido> Lars_G: actually, yes
[02:47] <Daisuke_Ido> i've had no problems, either, surprisingly
[02:48] <Lars_G> Daisuke_Ido: What do you use, konqueror or opera?
[02:48] <Daisuke_Ido> firefox.
[02:48] <dr_willis> dilo :)
[02:48] <totoro7> erm... eh?
[02:48] <Daisuke_Ido> firefox isn't gnome related, it's an xul app
[02:48] <genii> totoro7: dillo ia another browser
[02:48] <jt66> what use would i make of the Desktop plazmoid
[02:49] <Renegade15> looks like it wasn't quite as working as I thought
[02:49] <totoro7> genii: oh, thanks for clarifying :-)
[02:49] <genii> totoro7: np
[02:49] <rgreening> genii: Change the settings.. make it point to a diff folder if ya like.
[02:49] <ardchoille> dilla just got updated recently and now has a tabbed ui, iirc
[02:49] <totoro7> Daisuke_Ido: doesn't firefox require gtk libraries though?
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> totoro7: gtk != gnome
[02:50] <dr_willis> Lots of things use gtk :)
[02:50] <genii> rgreening: What ?
[02:50] <rgreening> and KDE != Qt
[02:50] <rgreening> lol
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> exactly
[02:50] <OzoneNerd> gtk:GNOME :: qt:KDE
[02:50] <totoro7> I see, gtk just happens to be the technology gnome uses to build its apps, not gnome related at all...
[02:50] <ardchoille> qt and gtk are simply toolkits
[02:50] <totoro7> s/the/a
[02:50] <Lars_G> Daisuke_Ido: Well firefox is GTK related
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> but it's not gnome related
[02:50] <ardchoille> the desktop environments are built on those toolkits
[02:51] <Lars_G> Daisuke_Ido: Hmmm yeah
[02:51] <Daisuke_Ido> and the problem is with gnome-session
[02:51] <Daisuke_Ido> however
[02:51] <rgreening> genii: the desktop plasmoid is actually a container called folderview. I t can point to any folder.
[02:51] <Daisuke_Ido> i installed the beta and upgraded from there
[02:51] <genii> rgreening: What does that have to do with dillo being a web browser?
[02:52] <Daisuke_Ido> i miiight be able to fresh-install from a release cd, though i doubt that would make any real difference, as i've been updating once, sometimes twice a day
[02:52] <rgreening> genii: sry.. meant to jt66. I misclicked. hahaha
[02:52] <genii> rgreening: OK, no worries then
[02:53] <jt66> rgreening, say again
[02:53] <jt66> please
[02:53] <rgreening> jt66: the desktop plasmoid is actually a container called folderview. I t can point to any folder.
[02:54] <jt66> rgreening, just folders or other things?
[02:54] <dr_willis> what other things would you want ?
[02:54] <rgreening> jt66: so, technically, the "Desktop" folder contents would be displayed, any files, images, somgs, folders, etc
[02:54] <dr_willis> I just made a directory called "Apps" and had the folder view show them ;) for a quick launcher...
[02:54] <rgreening> jt66: you can change the folder to be any folder on the system. you can have multiple folderviews open
[02:55] <jt66> dr_willis, devices whatever
[02:55] <jt66> dr_willis, just wondering
[02:55] <dr_willis> point it to /dev/ ? :)
[02:55] <dr_willis> but that wont do much good.. /media/ might be ok
[02:55] <jt66> interesting
[02:56] <rgreening> I point it at my music...
[02:56] <ardchoille> Is there any way to bring all of the widgets which are currently on the desktop to the front (focued) if you have windows maximised?
[02:56] <rgreening> yes
[02:56] <ardchoille> how is that done
[02:56] <rgreening> the dashboard panel applet
[02:56] <ardchoille> ah
[02:57] <ardchoille> I didn't like superkaramba for lack of that featrue
[02:57] <rgreening> should have been installed and setup by default in the panel. next to the pager
[02:57] <ardchoille> rgreening: thanks
[02:57] <rgreening> np
[02:58]  * NightDragon is away: Gone away for now
[02:59]  * NightDragon is away: back
[03:00] <kenpeter> Hi, I have a question. Each time I drag the root folder(or any folder) to the panel, the panel becomes very big.
[03:01]  * OzoneNerd goes to restart, hopefully this fixes my issue.
[03:01] <kenpeter> @OzoneNerd, right. The panel extends parts of itself to the top of the screen.
[03:02] <Guest34352> en?
[03:05]  * NightDragon is away: -
[03:08]  * NightDragon is back.
[03:12] <OzoneNerd> Well, success on one count.
[03:12]  * genii hands out coffees
[03:13] <kenpeter> Is it true that I have to use the widget system, rather the traditional desktop?
[03:13] <OzoneNerd> But, now I get an error when I log in that says: "KLauncher could not be reached via D-Bus. Error when calling start_service_by_desktop_path:
[03:13] <OzoneNerd> empty"
[03:13] <dr_willis> kenpeter,  kde4 has no tradational desktop..
[03:14] <ubuntu> kde is neat
[03:14] <OzoneNerd> When I click okay, it logs me out.
[03:14] <OzoneNerd> But I can minimize it and continue working
[03:15] <dr_willis> Hmm. I have a whole bunch of 'trival scripts' that are bascially text files with 1 command in them. I makde them executabl and thus could run them  (sort of a poor mans alias) but now it seems under 8.10 i MUST have a #!/bin/bash or #!/bin/sh line at the start or i get a odd malloc message in  the shell..
[03:16] <alesan> dr_willis: obvious
[03:16] <kenpeter> @dr_willis, I may refer 8.04's desktop as a "traditional one"
[03:16] <alesan> dr_willis: you are supposed to have that header...
[03:16] <dr_willis> alesan,  ive never needed it befor.. so what has changed
[03:16] <alesan> dr_willis: I am surprised that was possibe before
[03:17] <alesan> dr_willis: how do you run the scripts?
[03:17] <dr_willis> example 'script' 1 line...
[03:17] <dr_willis> df -h -x tmpfs -x devpts -x usbfs
[03:17] <alesan> dr_willis: do you run from a konsole or what?
[03:17] <dr_willis> console, or terminal either one...
[03:17] <kenpeter> Then I may refer 8.10 as a new kind desktop.
[03:18] <dr_willis> been able to run these sort of trivial scripts since college days on the unix/sun machines. :)
[03:18] <dr_willis>  the error message is what gets me...
[03:18] <dr_willis> malloc: ../bash/dispose_cmd.c:241: assertion botched
[03:18] <dr_willis> free: called with unallocated block argument
[03:19] <alesan> dr_willis: well I'd ask in #bash
[03:19] <alesan> it may be a kernel thing or a bash thing
[03:19] <alesan> I don't know
[03:19] <alesan> I have tested here and it works without the header if launched from a bash prompt
[03:19] <dr_willis> thats.. weird..
[03:19] <alesan> obviously it wouldn;t work if launched from anything else anywa
[03:19] <dr_willis> i wonder if i have some  other odd setting in bash.
[03:20] <alesan> so anyway, you are supposed t ohave the header. if you don't, such behaviour can be expected I think.
[03:20] <alesan> run then with "bash script" or "sh script" it will work
[03:21] <dr_willis> i expect it to run in the shelli am using.
[03:21] <alesan> yes, run "sh command"
[03:21] <dr_willis>  are you using 32 or 64bit?
[03:21] <alesan> it will work
[03:21] <alesan> 64
[03:21] <alesan> dr_willis: in my opinion "before" it worked by chance
[03:22] <alesan> now a newer kernel or bash may implement the specs more strictly
[03:22] <alesan> just put the header that's the right thing to do
[03:22] <alesan> can you confirm your script is working if you launch it with "sh script"?
[03:22] <dr_willis> I dont want to. :) im trying to figure out what changed
[03:22] <genii> dr_willis: ls -l $(which bash)                 does not show it as a symlink to dash or so?
[03:23] <alesan> genii: just out of curiosity, why do you like $() instead of `` ?
[03:23] <dr_willis> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 811K 2008-05-12 14:49 /bin/bash*
[03:25] <genii> alesan: Because when showing someone a command with ` (backtic) it often gets mistaken for ' (single quote)
[03:25] <alesan> dr_willis: if you don't want to, you are on your own. what you do is plain wrong, if it works it's because of a specific implementation of the system allows yo uto do so
[03:25] <alesan> genii: well I thought people would use copy&paste but anyway, you are correct
[03:25] <alesan> in fact, many keyboard layout lack ``
[03:26] <ardchoille> genii: I've found that (about `) too
[03:26] <alesan> hey question, I am supposed to keep konversation open while I am upgrading to ibex?
[03:26] <genii> alesan: I'm not sure it matters much
[03:27] <ardchoille> alesan: That's up to you really, unless someone is helping you with it
[03:27] <alesan> if I try to use openoffice it crashes and firefox can't print while the upgrade is being done
[03:27] <alesan> ardchoille: uh?
[03:27] <alesan> ardchoille: explain
[03:27] <ardchoille> if someone were walking you trhough the upgrade?
[03:28]  * ardchoille hands genii a coffee
[03:28] <kenpeter> 1 question, no "open in command line" in dolphin@8.10?
[03:28] <dr_willis> weirdness.. it works with other users on same system.. but not this one user.. well that narrows it down a bit.
[03:28] <alesan> ardchoille: well... ok.
[03:30] <genii> ardchoille: Yay, coffee! Thanks
[03:30] <ardchoille> :)
[03:30] <kenpeter_> Crash again :(
[03:31] <sba61> hi, so while installing intrepid I set up this encrypted directory. Where exactly is it now?
[03:32] <sba61> or is everything but public encrypted?
[03:32] <ardchoille> sba61: ~/.Private ?
[03:32] <ardchoille> sba61: from what I've read, it's ~/.Private and you need to put things in it
[03:33] <sba61> hmm do I need to create that directory myself?
[03:33] <sba61> I don't think I have it
[03:33] <esteban_> what is the URL .........spañol
[03:33] <genii> !es
[03:33] <ScottK> sba61: You have to display hidden files to see it.
[03:34] <sba61> ScottK: yeah, still don't have it
[03:34] <ScottK> OK.  Then you don't have it.
[03:34] <kheas> how do i unhide the menubar in konqueror?
[03:34] <ardchoille> sba61: http://beginlinux.com/desktop_training/ubuntu/1084-solving-privacy-issues-
[03:35] <esteban_>  thank you
[03:36] <sba61> ardchoille: ok tnx. wow looks like a lot of work... :)
[03:36] <ardchoille> yw :)
[03:36] <ardchoille> sba61: But the work is only a one-time thing
[03:37] <alesan> bye!
[03:38] <dr_willis> weirdness.. my bash 'issue' just vanished.. i cant even get it to do the error any more...
[03:39] <genii> dr_willis: Maybe it's covertly learning
[03:40] <dr_willis> Not sure what the deal was..
[03:41] <Ashex> !adept > me
[03:42] <Ashex> so, what happened to adept manager in intrepid?
[03:42] <dr_willis> Im thinking i stumbled upon some bash bug..but cant even verify/reproduce it now
[03:43] <ardchoille> dr_willis: I bet the devs will like for squashing a bug :P
[03:43] <ardchoille> s/like/like you/
[03:44] <dr_willis> Yep...i found it and squashed it!  befor it even existed! its a virtualbug
[03:44] <ardchoille> hehe
[03:44] <sba61> ardchoille: it worked, nice
[03:44] <dr_willis> I need to convert all my mini-scripts to alias's - but i got them all archived  so i can move them from onemachine to another.. :)
[03:44] <Ashex> so, anyone have adept manager?
[03:45] <ardchoille> sba61: good to hear, I plan on using it too
[03:45] <ardchoille> Ashex: I plan to install synpatic.. if it's still in the repos
[03:47] <Ashex> ardchoille, found it
[03:47] <kenpeter> @Ashex, I guess I have
[03:47] <Ashex> all I can say is, wtf
[03:47] <ardchoille> I'm still on Hardy, is there a way to search for apps in the intrepid repos or maybe online?
[03:47] <ardchoille> Ashex: Lots of changes in kde4/intrepid
[03:47] <Ashex> apparently the intelligence level of the adept manager maintainer has dropped in the last 6 months
[03:47] <Ashex> /usr/bin/adept manager
[03:47] <Ashex> that's what it is
[03:47] <kenpeter> I am using 8.10
[03:48] <ardchoille> Ashex: a binary with a space in the filename?
[03:48] <Ashex> yep
[03:48] <Ashex> I seriously can't believe that's what it is
[03:48] <ardchoille> wow
[03:48] <Ashex> wait a second
[03:48] <Ashex> that's false
[03:48] <Ashex> they redid adept
[03:48] <Ashex> so, manager is an option now
[03:49] <ardchoille> Ashex: on Hardy it's;  /usr/bin/adept_manager
[03:49] <Ashex> I know, completely messed with me
[03:50] <ardchoille> there's also adept_installer and adept_updater
[03:50] <Ashex> yeah
[03:50] <Ashex> they just rolled them all into one apparently
[03:51] <Ashex> although to be honest, I prefer the kde3 layour of the manager
[03:51] <Ashex> kde4 is a bit messed up
[03:51] <Ashex> everyone is on the left
[03:51] <ardchoille> Ashex:  find /usr/bin | grep adept  you should be able to run those separately
[03:52] <Ashex> ardchoille, nope, in intrepid it's just one, adept
[03:52] <alesan> re
[03:52] <ardchoille> :(
[03:52] <alesan> ok I have successfully upgraded to ibex and KDE4
[03:52] <Ashex> ahmed@Phorin:/usr/bin$ ls -a | grep adept
[03:52] <Ashex> adept
[03:52] <Ashex> the options are installer, updater, and manager
[03:52] <Ashex> although manager isn't documented in --help
[03:53] <Ashex> and volume keys are messed up
[03:53] <alesan> now, how do I disable the LOUSY irritating "fade" effects and animations??? arrhhhg I am getting crazy :) and also where is the "run" entry in the menu (I have switched to the 'classic' view)
[03:53] <Ashex> used to be able to just set the master in volume control
[03:53] <Ashex> that doesn't work now
[03:53] <ardchoille> Ashex: are gtk/gtk2 apps able to use the kde styles in 8.10?
[03:53] <kenpeter> "although to be honest, I prefer the kde3 layour of the manager" -----> agree
[03:54] <NightDragon> hello question
[03:54] <Ashex> ardchoille, looks like it
[03:54] <NightDragon> my xorg.conf file got completely bonked
[03:54] <ardchoille> nice
[03:54] <NightDragon> but i have a file in
[03:54] <NightDragon> /etc/x11
[03:54] <ardchoille> NightDragon: you mean X11, not x11
[03:55] <NightDragon> that has an xorg.conf.dist-upgrade.20081031blahblahblah
[03:55] <NightDragon> is that a backup file made by my system right before i upgraded to intrepid?
[03:55] <NightDragon> right
[03:55] <ardchoille> NightDragon: sounds like it
[03:56] <ardchoille> if it is, then you should be able to restore from it
[03:56] <NightDragon> so if i just sudo cat xorg.conf.dist-upgrade.blahblahblah > xorg.conf, that should restore?
[03:56] <ardchoille> NightDragon: no, that command will fail on the ">", use sudo cp instead
[03:56] <NightDragon> mmkay
[03:57] <Ashex> bah
[03:57] <Ashex> this is pissing me off
[03:57] <Ashex> kmix is completely broken now
[03:58] <NightDragon> ardchoille:  if i wanted to use a specific driver
[03:58] <NightDragon> such as "ati" or fglrx
[03:58] <NightDragon> would i just include that in this part?
[03:58] <NightDragon> Section "Device"
[03:58] <NightDragon> 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[03:58] <NightDragon> EndSection
[03:58] <ardchoille> !ati | NightDragon
[03:59] <ardchoille> !paste > NightDragon
[04:00] <MarshWiggle> Hello, is this where I can ask a kubuntu support question?
[04:01] <ardchoille> MarshWiggle: yes
[04:02] <wolfie2x> need some help
[04:02] <wolfie2x> installed KDE on ubuntu; now too much menu clutter; too many apps and tools
[04:02] <wolfie2x> is there some tool to organize it? somebody here said there was
[04:03] <MarshWiggle> Thanks. I did a fresh install (not upgrade) of 8.10 which I downloaded yesterday. Everything seemeds to go fine, except when I log in, the system hangs and wont go past the login splash screen. The failsafe login also has the flowwing error message:
[04:03] <MarshWiggle> "X session: unable to launch failsafe X session --- x-terminal-emulator not found; abourting"
[04:03] <deftone> how can i find out if the live release works with my intel gm965 chipset?
[04:04] <genii> deftone: Run the livecd
[04:04] <ardchoille> wolfie2x: I know you can add "NotShowIn=GNOME;" to your kde menu items in /usr/share/applications to have them not appear in gnome
[04:05] <genii> MarshWiggle: Is this install inside of a virtual machine of some type?
[04:06] <MarshWiggle> no, just a regular install
[04:06] <MarshWiggle> used the full hard drive partition on a P4 pc
[04:06] <genii> MarshWiggle: I have not yet seen this issue. I recommend to bug report it to launchpad
[04:07] <MarshWiggle> Thanks
[04:07] <MarshWiggle> the bug seems similar to people who upgraded from the 8.04 remix (their's wouldn't go past the splash screen and the failsafe didn't work)
[04:07] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: thx! that should do it..
[04:08] <MarshWiggle> the difference with that bug is that it always took them back to the log in, and they didn't recieve any error message like i did
[04:08] <ardchoille> wolfie2x: i know it's the long way but it's all I know
[04:08] <ardchoille> I'm still on Hardy, is there a way to search for apps in the intrepid repos or maybe online?
[04:08] <ardchoille> I seem to remember a website that allowed that
[04:08] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: why long? just add that line right?
[04:09] <ardchoille> wolfie2x: yes, but it needs to be added to every gnome menu item. There should be a tool to allow that
[04:09] <genii> MarshWiggle: If the symptoms are not identical, report it as a new bug.
[04:09] <MarshWiggle> okay
[04:09] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: ahh! every menu? that's a bit messy
[04:09] <genii> MarshWiggle: Perhaps reference the other in your report
[04:10] <ardchoille> wolfie2x: all the ones you don't want shown in the kde menus, yes it's a bit messy
[04:10] <ardchoille> ah, found it; http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[04:11] <ardchoille> wolfie2x: I'm talking about the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications
[04:12] <ardchoille> woot! Window Maker is in interpid repos :)
[04:12] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: i'll have a look in those
[04:12] <alesan> which was window maker
[04:12] <ardchoille> alesan: It's a nice window manager: http://www.windowmaker.info/
[04:13] <dr_willis> old-skool windowmaker
[04:13] <ardchoille> I may be installing Intrepid after all
[04:13] <ardchoille> dr_willis: yeah
[04:13] <MarshWiggle> i heard it's pretty fast
[04:13] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: OMG there are 101+ files there.. how do i figure which ones?
[04:13] <dr_willis> I had issues with windowmaker using the wrong size  icons on its desktop
[04:13] <alesan> yeah I remember now
[04:13] <dr_willis> its so minimal - it better be fast. :)
[04:13] <alesan> damn KDE4 has changed so many things............ how do I set the menu to show a K instead of the lousy left arrow?
[04:13] <ardchoille> wolfie2x: Like i said, it's a bit messy. You can open some of them in a text editor
[04:14] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: *sigh* ok..
[04:14] <dr_willis> The the whole windowmaker/gnu desktop project started gettting a little odd and going  the 'neXt' type clone route..
[04:14] <ardchoille> dr_willis: yes, and for those who like neXt, there's gnustep
[04:15] <dr_willis> ardchoille,   and it keeps all 10 of those people happy...
[04:15] <dr_willis> :)
[04:15] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: btw does KDE feels slower than gnome usually?
[04:15] <alesan> wolfie2x: not at all
[04:15] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: I have turned off all effects
[04:15] <ardchoille> wolfie2x: Is there a reason you need both gnome and kde desktops installed? gnome apps run in kde nicely and vice versa
[04:15] <dr_willis> I find kde4 MUCH slower on my laptop then gnome..
[04:15] <alesan> wolfie2x: especially if you load many applications
[04:16] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: I wanted to see how KDE was
[04:16] <genii> dr_willis: Me too. thats why I'm on 3.5 almost all the time
[04:16] <ardchoille> wolfie2x: I have found kde to be much faster than gnome and I'm using 187mb of ram with lots of stuff open
[04:16] <alesan> dr_willis: what are you saying :)
[04:16] <dr_willis> aplus i get weird video  issues on kde4 on my laptop
[04:16] <alesan> of course firsth thing I did is to uninstall that obscenity that is dolphin
[04:16] <cryptovenom> how to fix the display power down problem in 8.10 kubuntu ?
[04:16] <alesan> dolphin is the most pointless piece of software ever
[04:16] <dr_willis> menus pop up the first time. thers like 'jumbled  pixles' untill tehy redraw the first time
[04:17] <ScottK> dr_willis: Known issue.
[04:17] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: it's just that when i minimize and restore apps, it feels like it's slightly slow to drow the toolbars and panes
[04:17] <ScottK> It's not just you.
[04:17] <alesan> wolfie2x: yeah those '3d' effects are so annoying
[04:17] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: slow to draw i mean
[04:17] <ardchoille> wolfie2x: Well, I don't allow any effects so it could be that
[04:17] <alesan> wolfie2x: I whish I knew how to disable those completely
[04:17] <wolfie2x> no i have all effects off
[04:17] <rgreening> Qt 4.5 will address a lot of those slow issues
[04:17] <alesan> ardchoille: how to you disable??
[04:18] <wolfie2x> KDE simply was unusable on my lappy with effects
[04:18] <dr_willis> Theres people that LOVE dolpnin, then there are people that knew how to use konqueror.. :)
[04:18] <ardchoille> alesan: I refused to install nvidia drivers :)
[04:18] <alesan> ardchoille: I have intel drivers that work great especially with xranrd, several monitors etc
[04:18] <alesan> but I want to disable the lousy 3d
[04:19]  * genii hugs the Intel 945GM in his laptop!
[04:19] <wolfie2x> alesan: I remeber just one setting to turn off all effects
[04:19] <ardchoille> can't you just change the "nvidia" in xorg.conf to "nv" and disable effects?
[04:19] <ardchoille> after restarting x of course
[04:19] <alesan> ardchoille: me?
[04:19] <ardchoille> general question
[04:20] <ardchoille> sounds like it would work
[04:20] <alesan> work for what?
[04:20] <ardchoille> disabling 3d
[04:20] <alesan> ...
[04:20] <ardchoille> nv doesn't do 3d, nvidia does
[04:20] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: i don't know if 3d was disabled but all the compiz like were disabled for me
[04:21] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: do u find the new plasmoid concept good?
[04:21] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: i just can't see how it's better than the plain old desktop
[04:22] <ardchoille> I usually have tons of windows open and never see my desktop, so plasma wouldn't be a gain for me
[04:23] <alesan> well
[04:23] <alesan> I don't have many windows usually
[04:24] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: is there a way to make look evolution better on KDE.. it looks all screwed up
[04:24] <alesan> but the backgorund for me it's a konsole with 12 sessions open
[04:24] <alesan> that is NEVER closed
[04:24] <ardchoille> wolfie2x: no idea, but kde has kontact, a nice PIM. Perhaps look into switching to kontact
[04:24] <ardchoille> alesan: you need screen
[04:24] <wolfie2x> alesan: why use a desktop at all then? should be much faster
[04:25] <ardchoille> !info screen
[04:25] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: switching things is a real pain.. I switched from outlook to evolution.. dnt ever want to do a switch again
[04:26] <ardchoille> wolfie2x: understandable
[04:26] <ardchoille> wolfie2x: fwiw, evolution can export things and kontact can import things.. should make for less work. Just something to think about
[04:27] <abby87> anybody has kubuntu alternate cd (i386) torrent link the one on the site is broken http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download ?
[04:28] <dr_willis> !upgrade
[04:28] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: do ppl use KDE browser or they just use FF?
[04:28] <alesan> wolfie2x: what should be much faster?
[04:28] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: i mean is KDE browser as good as FF/opera?
[04:28] <alesan> ardchoille: why?
[04:28] <ardchoille> wolfie2x: I use ff, and will until konqeror works with my bank's website
[04:29] <ardchoille> wolfie2x: personal preference really
[04:29] <genii> abby87: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/8.10/
[04:29] <wolfie2x> alesan: just being on console mode (some runlevel thing)
[04:30] <alesan> wolfie2x: what if I have to use firefox, the gimp, and other stuff?
[04:30] <ardchoille> alesan: screen allow you to have multiple session in one console, so you can use it in tty1. I used to use screen+mutt+irssi+links in tty1 and when x broke I was like "pfft, I'll fix it next week"
[04:30] <abby87> genii: thanks a lot !!!
[04:30] <genii> abby87: You're welcome
[04:30] <ardchoille> alesan: those work well in kde, I use them in Kubuntu
[04:30] <alesan> ardchoille: I want to be able to copy and paste between terminals and graphical apps and see both tihngs at the same time
[04:31] <alesan> ardchoille: what?
[04:31] <ardchoille> alesan: screen allows splitting to see multiple screens at once, and screen allows copy/paste :)
[04:31] <wolfie2x> alesan: i thought since u r a console geek u browse via cmd line browser :) whts the name of it again?
[04:31] <ardchoille> wolfie2x: midnight commander?
[04:31] <alesan> lynx
[04:31] <ardchoille> oh, web browser
[04:31] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: copy/paste? good old terminal allows that too?
[04:32] <ardchoille> wolfie2x: I don't know how to copy/paste between apps in tty1
[04:32] <alesan> ardchoille: tty1 is the console in no graphics mode (no X)?
[04:32] <ardchoille> yes
[04:33] <alesan> you use gpm and the central button to copy/paste there
[04:33] <ardchoille> actually, if you set ip up correctly, you don't even need x
[04:33] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: no i meant copy paste on gnome terminal..
[04:33] <ardchoille> ah, ok
[04:34] <wolfie2x> this "screen" thing looks interesting.. should try it
[04:39] <dr_willis> and 'mc' - gotta use mc
[04:39] <dr_willis> :)
[04:40] <ardchoille> yep
[04:40]  * genii screens his irssi
[04:41] <dr_willis> amuseing thing about screen is how most of the guides all cover this topic and that topic..but then say 'i wont cover split screens here'  and None of them ever cover it.. :)
[04:41] <dr_willis> at leeast the ones i found all seemed to be repeates of the same identical guide from somewhere. :)
[04:42] <genii> dr_willis: It's just a variation of the old concept of "code re-use" and thn when you don't know the magic command, mention it but omit details
[04:42] <ardchoille> dr_willis: I split my screens once.. and then kept posting things in the wrong screen
[04:42] <ardchoille> s/screen/window/
[04:43] <dr_willis> split screen screens.. containing split irssi screens...
[04:43] <dr_willis> :)
[04:44] <dr_willis> 'twin' is a neat alternative to screen.. but its gotten not much love lately. and is a pain to use now a days
[04:47] <genii> My mind begins to boggle at resursively split screens
[04:48] <ardchoille> I did that once
[04:50] <MarshWiggle> if when starting failsafe I get, "X session: unable to launch failsafe X session --- x-terminal-emulator not found; abourting", would anyone know how to install x-terminal-emulator?
[04:51] <edwardk> i'm able to connect on my wireless using ubuntu8.10   but not kub 8.10
[04:51] <dr_willis> thats a 'alternative' thing i think. You may need to install 'xterm' or 'rxvt'
[04:52] <MarshWiggle> thanks
[04:52] <ardchoille> dr_willis: xterm is installed with the system
[04:52] <dr_willis> thats what i was thinking also ardchoille
[04:52] <dr_willis> but i was going to verify that.  :)
[04:52] <dr_willis> it could be his 'alternatives' are confused
[04:52] <ardchoille> yeah
[04:53] <dr_willis> ls -l /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator
[04:53] <dr_willis> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 2008-09-27 17:19 /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator -> /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator*
[04:53] <dr_willis> ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator
[04:53] <dr_willis> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2008-10-19 03:48 /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator -> /usr/bin/gnome-terminal.wrapper
[04:53] <dr_willis> Mine is set to use gnome-terminal.wrapper
[04:53] <MarshWiggle> so i'd just need to reset it to the correct path?
[04:53] <dr_willis> gee..... SOME day it calls the real term :)
[04:53] <ardchoille> hehe
[04:54] <dr_willis> sudo update-alternatives  --list x-terminal-emulator
[04:55] <dr_willis> sudo update-alternatives  --config  x-terminal-emulator
[04:55] <ardchoille> mine is setup to use konsole
[04:55] <dr_willis> and Pick the one you want to use. :)
[04:55] <deftone> how do i know if my beta was upgraded to the live release?
[04:55] <MarshWiggle> i'm thinking my kde login and failsafe login problems have somethign to do with these alternatives
[04:56] <deftone> i agree with you MarshWiggle....when i choose one or the other i don't see any difference.
[04:57] <MarshWiggle> in response to "pdate-alternatives  --list x-terminal-emulator" it says, "no alternatives for x-terminal-emulator"
[04:57] <genii> So try instlling it
[04:57] <genii> Gah, typos
[04:58] <deftone> how do i know if i'm upgraded to the live release of kubuntu 8.10?
[04:58] <dr_willis> lsb_release -a
[04:58] <genii> MarshWiggle: kde3 or kde4 ?
[04:58] <dr_willis> and see. :)
[04:58] <MarshWiggle> i'm guessing it didnt' install when i used the install CD. i wonder what part of kde didnt' install so that didn't work
[04:58] <dr_willis> failsafe login just starts X and a terminal window.
[04:59] <genii> MarshWiggle: The default would be konsole for 3 and konsole-kde4 for 4
[04:59] <deftone> what should it say dr_wilis?
[04:59] <dr_willis> You could install some other uber-light desktop for a similer failsafe  thing.
[04:59] <dr_willis> should give the verson # you are using
[05:00] <deftone> i had the beta....would it say beta if it's still beta or no?
[05:00] <dr_willis> MarshWiggle,  Hmm..  I dont think ive ver seen a ubuntu/kubuntu NOT install the alternatives stuff.. its very core to the system
[05:00] <dr_willis> if its beta.. then 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'
[05:00] <dr_willis> or just trry the update/upgrade now and see
[05:01] <deftone> k it's downloading now...thanks dr.
[05:02] <ardchoille> hmm.. repos are nice and zippy again
[05:02] <deftone> quick question....ever notice that ugly little background for the applets near clock? is there a way to fix that or do i have just have to deal with it? lol
[05:03] <dr_willis> You mean the Cashew button?
[05:03] <deftone> no....like my wireless manager applet and opera applet and hp printer applet have a black square background
[05:04] <MarshWiggle> ah yeah i found it pretty off too dr_willis, I downloaded Kubuntu 8.10 yesterday and it all seemeds to go fine. but now it freezes on the splash screen after logging into kde, and give me the "no x-terminal-emulator" when i try to use failsafe.. pretty annoying as it seems too many thigns are missing tha shouldn't be
[05:04] <deftone> whereas the trashcan or plugged in devices applets dont' have that..they're just nice icons on their own
[05:04] <MarshWiggle> (by all seems to go fine, that was the install; i've never been able to log in)
[05:06] <bill> Hello all
[05:06] <MarshWiggle> hi bill
[05:07] <bill> Does anyone know how to install opera in kubuntu?
[05:07] <deftone> yes bill
[05:07] <dr_willis> I go to the opera web site and get their packages
[05:08] <bill> Done that
[05:08] <ardchoille> opera is in the partner repo
[05:08] <ardchoille> !opera
[05:08] <deftone> just go to opera site...install the linux for hardy...it works just fine
[05:08] <dr_willis> I diddnet think it was in the repos any more
[05:08] <deftone> it is? i looked for it and it wasn't there two weeks ago
[05:08] <ardchoille> you need to enable the partner repo in sources
[05:08] <deftone> how do u do that ardchoille?
[05:09] <ardchoille> well, I would just open /etc/apt/sources.list in a text editor and uncomment all the "partner" lines
[05:09] <bill> Soi I don't download the file and then install it?
[05:09] <ardchoille> deftone: kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:09] <ardchoille> deftone: after that's done you need to; apt-get update
[05:10] <ardchoille> er, sudo apt-get update
[05:10] <deftone> u could do that bill
[05:10] <ardchoille> but installing opera from the repos means the package manager will keep it up to date
[05:11] <deftone> i agree with ardchoille
[05:11] <bill> I click on it and nothing happands.My hd blinks but no install.
[05:11] <deftone> but man there are so many i don't wanna screw something up
[05:11] <dr_willis> use the terminal, or look in the menus for a icon..
[05:11] <dr_willis> sudo dpkg -i whateveritscalled.deb
[05:12] <ardchoille> deftone: the partner repos will have the word ?partner" in the line, just uncomment them (remove the #)
[05:12] <Dig_> From my personal experience, after upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10. The source.list will not be correct. That means you cannot boot into a graphical interface.  I need to add the latest kernel entry the source.list in command line, in order to make it work.
[05:13] <ardchoille> Dig_: how does the sources.list file have anything to do with keeping you from booting into X ?
[05:14] <ardchoille> Dig_: do you mean menu.lst ?
[05:14] <Dig_> sorry, yes
[05:14] <ardchoille> ah, ok
[05:14] <Dig_> Not sure other people have this kind of problem.
[05:14] <dr_willis> I dotn see opera in the   partner repos
[05:16] <deftone> bill did u get my pm?
[05:18] <ardchoille> dr_willis: http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/o/
[05:18] <dr_willis> well they dident show up under intrepid i just searched..
[05:19] <ardchoille> maybe intrepid uses a diff url than hardy does
[05:19] <ardchoille> for the partner repo
[05:19] <genii> did you do the sudo apt-get update           ?  ;)
[05:20] <dr_willis> The opera packages there have  release names,, from dapper to hardy. but no intrepid
[05:20] <ardchoille> maybe intrepid stuff is still being worked on
[05:21] <ardchoille> it isn't finished, IMHO
[05:21] <pasal102> hi..is there anyway to get kbluetooth work in intrepid? kernel downgrade or something?
[05:21] <dr_willis> Goes well with KDE4 then. :)
[05:21] <ardchoille> they should have held off on kde4 until 9.04
[05:22] <dr_willis> or till 2010
[05:22] <dr_willis> :)
[05:22] <pasal102> or bluez packages?
[05:23] <ardchoille> dr_willis: :)
[05:23] <deftone> what's the best media player?
[05:23] <ardchoille> exactly what is a Jackalope?
[05:24] <genii> ardchoille: A fictional animal
[05:24] <dr_willis> jackalope = a rabbit with horns,  from texas
[05:24] <dr_willis> :)
[05:24] <ardchoille> so the release will be fictional as well?
[05:24] <dr_willis> They are real! I tell ya!
[05:24] <ardchoille> dr_willis: and they live with leprachauns!
[05:24] <dr_willis> I know someone, that knew someone, that had a uncle  that gpt attacked by one!
[05:24] <genii> http://www.jackalope.com/GRAPHICS/jackalope_myth.jpg
[05:25] <dr_willis> You see leprachauns when you eat Locoweed.
[05:25] <dr_willis> :P
[05:25] <TomBean> hi everyone. I've got a network problem after upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10. I've looked on the kubuntu forums and found other people with problems with realtek network cards, which is what I have. When I looked into my interfaces file the device (eth0) wasn't listed, so I added it back and did /etc/init.d/networking restart and it gave me some errors. Can someone help me make sense of this?
[05:25] <dr_willis> that picture proves its real!
[05:25] <genii> dr_willis: Hehe
[05:26] <deftone> lmfao
[05:26] <dr_willis> Oh wait.. there are no 'stars' in the picture - thus it has to be a conspericy!
[05:26] <dr_willis> Or the things live on the moon.
[05:26] <dr_willis> :)
[05:26] <ardchoille> haha
[05:26] <genii> TomBean: Please use the pastebin to show us the errors it reports
[05:26] <deftone> what's the best media player for kubuntu?
[05:26] <genii> !paste | TomBean
[05:26] <dr_willis> !best
[05:27] <ardchoille> deftone: some folks swear by mplayer
[05:27] <dr_willis> !media
[05:27] <dr_willis> xmms is gone :)
[05:27] <genii> deftone: Some people also swear by a phonograph so your mileage may vary
[05:27] <deftone> i want an all in one deal...lol
[05:28]  * dr_willis gets out his 8-track tape player
[05:28] <deftone> does xbmc work for ubuntu?
[05:28] <ardchoille> deftone: no such anilmal
[05:28] <dr_willis> I do like SongBird.
[05:28] <deftone> i tried that out and it's nice
[05:29] <pasal102> hi everyone. Is there anyway to get kbluetooth working in intrepid? kernel or bluez downgrade or something?
[05:31] <deftone> question for ya......i think i finally found the topdog wireless xp drivers i need....what's the best to switch to that driver instead of the one i currently have?
[05:34] <Guest23292> so, i accidently enabled desktop effects in kde4 (intrepid) when i shouldnt have.. now i cant access the desktop at all.. how can i disable the desktop effects from the cmd line ?
[05:35]  * genii sips his coffee and thinks about warrior rabbits
[05:37] <TomBean> genii: sorry, for some reason its working perfectly now! I swear to $DEITY that I tried several times and it kept getting some timeout error, but now its working fine. Sorry for the trouble......
[05:37] <genii> TomBean: No worries :)
[05:38] <wishie> bugger it. just blew away ~/.kde/
[05:39] <wishie> its only a fresh install anyway.
[05:40] <pasal102> wishie: http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/386613-desktop-effects-crashed-kde-4-a.html
[05:48]  * tylahn flops
[05:49] <yaptop> i'm trying to access a folder on my windows machine using samba but it's asking me to put in a username and password and my windows machine doesn't require a username/password to login
[05:50] <deftone> can someone tell me how to install XBMC Media Center?
[05:52] <alesan> hey but how do I unmount a USB device with this lousy KDE4??
[05:54] <deftone> open dolphine
[05:54] <deftone> *dolphin
[05:55] <deftone> right click on device and hit safely remove "device name"
[05:55] <deftone> or u can click on the computer icon near the clock and hit the eject button
[05:55] <alesan> where do I find the device in dolphin?
[05:55] <genii> deftone: Perhaps the ppa mentioned in post #7 here has been updated to 8.10 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=458675
[05:56] <tylahn> How do I get an OS from another hard drive to boot up in grub?
[05:57] <alesan> I want to go back to KDE3 :)
[05:57] <alesan> :(
[05:57] <deftone> u don't have to grub bootloader tylahn?
[05:57] <alesan> this KDE4 is the worst thing ever :( they did it all in a wrong way
[05:57] <tylahn> I have grub, but I don't know how to find out what my other disk is called.
[05:58] <deftone> other operating systems
[05:58] <alesan> today's the most frustrating day since when my wife got me cheating :(
[05:58] <deftone> should be under that
[05:58] <alesan> it won't even see my bluetooth mouse
[05:58] <alesan> xrandr's broken
[05:58] <deftone> you can edit grub config file to call it whatever u want once your in linux
[05:58] <tylahn> is there a way for me to run something which can detect the OS on the other drive?
[05:58] <genii> tylahn: Only the two hd in there?
[05:58] <tylahn> genii: yeah.
[05:58] <deftone> what's the os on the other drive?
[05:58] <tylahn> Freebsd
[05:59] <genii> tylahn: Most likely grub will know it then as hd(1,0)     (second hard drive, first partition)
[05:59] <genii> tylahn: Since bsd has it's own bootloader you could chainload it
[05:59] <tylahn> ...what's that?
[05:59] <deftone> hey genii: that thread is over a year old...is there a more recent one?
[06:00] <genii> deftone: Old?  May 30th, 2008
[06:01] <genii> tylahn: Look at /boot/grub/menu.lst to see example of Windows chainload
[06:01] <deftone> ah! didn't se that post....sorry my bad
[06:01] <tylahn> okay
[06:01] <genii> tylahn: Use same principle to chainload the BSD drive
[06:02] <tylahn> hmm...well I tried to edit it earlier, and it didn't work
[06:02] <genii> tylahn: However, inside BSD it will likely have incorrect mount lists in places like fstab
[06:03] <genii> tylahn: For this you will need to ask in some BSD support place however, and not here
[06:03]  * tylahn nods
[06:03] <deftone> genii: do i just add to the very bottom of the source list or do the additions have to go on a specific line?
[06:03] <tylahn> thanks anyways :3
[06:04] <genii> deftone: Bottom
[06:04] <deftone> ty
[06:04] <tylahn> I'll have it figured out in no time
[06:04] <genii> tylahn: Best luck :)
[06:05] <tylahn> actually, I spent all day just trying to get xorg to work in bsd
[06:05] <tylahn> it was kind of crazy
[06:05] <genii> deftone: np
[06:06] <genii> tylahn: UFS can be mounted under linux. So you can boot to Kubuntu, mount the BSD drive, make edits to it, etc
[06:07] <tylahn> oh, cool.
[06:07] <tylahn> lemme go do that
[06:07] <tylahn> it's kind of crazy, up until maybe july of this year I always thought linux was like just text and numbers
[06:07] <genii> tylahn: Likely just need something like from ad0s1    to ad1s1
[06:12] <KWGoD> what program plays .exe?
[06:13] <KWGoD> anyone?
[06:13] <deftone> wow it worked! thanks genii!
[06:14] <KWGoD> what program plays .exe?
[06:14] <tylahn> I'm trying to mount the ufs volume, but it doesn't seem to respond.
[06:14] <dr_willis>  you can use wine to 'run' some windows programs
[06:14] <genii> deftone: Have fun :)
[06:16] <genii> tylahn: One minute
[06:16] <tylahn> okay
[06:21] <genii> tylahn: No additonal drivers should be needed. What mount command are you giving?
[06:22] <tylahn> just the general right-click on the drive
[06:22] <tylahn> I've never mounted a drive in a terminal
[06:23] <Daisuke_Ido> dr_willis: at home now, and the gnome-session issue never occured
[06:24] <Daisuke_Ido> not today, anyway
[06:24] <dr_willis> magic!
[06:24] <dr_willis> all sorts of bugs vanishing
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, except i didn't update anything except base-files
[06:31] <genii> tylahn: OK. Try in Konsole:  sudo mkdir /media/bsd              then what drive is it? sdb sdc or so. if sdb:     sudo mount -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd /dev/sdb1 /media/bsd        ..then see if some error or else if not, try to:  ls /media/bsd\
[06:31] <genii> tylahn: Ignore the \ at very last, a typo from me
[06:32] <omkar> KDE in 8.10 is not supported
[06:32] <omkar> wahts ther eason
[06:32] <omkar> Wahts the reason
[06:32] <omkar> I have 1Gb of System Memory
[06:32] <omkar> Graphics Card
[06:32] <omkar> of 256 mb
[06:32] <omkar> sorry to write in this way
[06:32] <omkar> anyone there?
[06:32] <genii> Yes
[06:33] <genii> !enter | omkar
[06:33] <genii> omkar: What do you mean by "not supported" ?
[06:33] <omkar> Wahts the reason my KDE Environment doesn't works on my latest Updated Ubuntu 8.10
[06:33] <omkar> I previously had Gnome which I Updated to Ubuntu Ibex
[06:34] <omkar> now How come they say I can't update to KDE 4?
[06:34] <omkar> I have the requirements right?
[06:34] <dr_willis> You can update/install kde4
[06:34] <omkar> ohhh
[06:34] <omkar> do they need more Space
[06:34] <omkar> I mean more hard disk space
[06:35] <omkar>  I have 4gb of Space
[06:35] <omkar> Do i need to increase it?
[06:35] <dr_willis> Of course they need more space..
[06:35] <dr_willis> 4gb is rahter small for a linux install.. it may fit
[06:35] <genii> 4Gb is marginal
[06:35] <omkar> now how come I can increase my HDD space I have free space
[06:35] <dr_willis> i use the gparted tool from a live cd to resize my drives
[06:36] <Daisuke_Ido> now it's doing it again
[06:36] <omkar> plz guys guide me
[06:36]  * Daisuke_Ido headdesks
[06:36] <Daisuke_Ido> off to kde for me!
[06:36] <omkar> hey guys I had 9GB
[06:36] <dr_willis> boot live cd/ install/run gparted or qtparted, and resize...
[06:37] <omkar> okay If i free my size from windows
[06:37] <omkar> can i merge it into current ubuntu parition
[06:37] <omkar> partition
[06:38] <omkar> anyone here knws the concept of LVM
[06:38] <dr_willis> thats possible..
[06:38] <dr_willis> start with the basics first then worry about lvm
[06:38] <omkar> by which we can merge the free paritions to the existing /dev/hda7
[06:38] <omkar> ya but how ?
[06:38] <omkar> willis
[06:38] <dr_willis> if you are only messing with 9 or so GB you dont need to mess with lvm
[06:39] <dr_willis> boot live cd   ,  install then  run gparted or qtparted, , use it to resize your partitions
[06:39] <genii> If they are beside each other. Also you need install ntfs-progs if from livecd before resizing those types drives is possible
[06:39] <dr_willis> if this is vista you may want touse vista to resize the ntfs filesystem . it will be faster.
[06:39] <omkar> no I have just winXP
[06:39] <dr_willis> shrink down windows.. then boot live cd. and enlarge linux
[06:40] <omkar> okay u mean I can merge
[06:40] <omkar> right?
[06:40] <dr_willis> You will resize windows..  that will shrink it. and leave part of the drive unallocated. that unallocated space then gets merged into the linux partition
[06:40] <omkar> oks
[06:41] <omkar> bye I would be bakc
[06:41] <omkar> back
[06:41] <dr_willis> I would suggest backing up imporntant data
[06:41] <omkar> okays
[06:43]  * genii hands out more coffees in large Kubuntu mugs
[06:45] <Daisuke_Ido> aaaalrighty then
[06:45] <deftone> genii: what's the best dock manager for kubuntu?
[06:45] <Daisuke_Ido> !best
[06:46] <genii> deftone: I don't use any so not an authority :)
[06:46] <Daisuke_Ido> i can see i'm going to have to build the spacer plasmoid
[06:46] <Daisuke_Ido> since that's something simple that apparently couldn't be included
[06:47] <deftone> how do i stop "top" ?
[06:47] <deftone> lol
[06:47] <dr_willis> q
[06:47] <dr_willis> or excape
[06:48] <deftone> k thanks...lmfao...i'm such a newb i swear.
[06:48]  * Daisuke_Ido grumbles
[06:49] <genii> Daisuke_Ido: https://launchpad.net/~samrog131/+archive
[06:49]  * genii sips
[06:50] <Daisuke_Ido> thank you genii
[06:51] <genii> Daisuke_Ido: You're welcome
[06:54] <Daisuke_Ido> now is there an analogue to the old Places kicker widget?
[06:58] <genii> Daisuke_Ido: Maybe QuickAccess plasmoid?
[06:59] <Daisuke_Ido> i checked that out, but it wasn't waht i was looking for
[06:59] <Daisuke_Ido> turns out i can kinda get what i want through lancelot
[07:01] <genii> Daisuke_Ido: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Plasmoids is a good resource, even if you aren't finding one that exactly fits your needs
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> looks like a nice resource
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> looks like you've got me back in the kde crowd
[07:06] <genii> Daisuke_Ido: I'm still 3.5 but will make the big switch grudgingly around Christmas to 4.1 or so
[07:07] <dwidmann> genii: at that rate, why not wait til the end of January (kde 4.2)
[07:07] <genii> dwidmann: I just might
[07:08]  * genii forks off 3.5 and works on 3.6
[07:08] <genii> ;)
[07:08] <dwidmann> hehe
[07:08] <dwidmann> I wonder how hard it would be for me to build 3.5.9 from source ...
[07:09] <Daisuke_Ido> call it gde
[07:09] <Guest73958> isn't the current version 3.5.10 ?
[07:09] <genii> Guest73958: Yes
[07:09] <dwidmann> Guest73958: yes, but I have issues with it too
[07:11] <dwidmann> All I want is functional support for multiple screens ... :(
[07:12] <genii> Well, 3:12am... time to put the coffee away and sleep. Good night to all
[07:12] <Daisuke_Ido> is it not possible to run amarok and amarok 2 alongside each other?
[07:12] <genii> I will be away until Tuesday so keep the caffeine flowing :)
[07:13] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Ido: I'm doing that right now, on Hardy
[07:13] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Ido: short of compiling one of them though, I'm not sure it can be done in intrepid
[07:13] <Daisuke_Ido> then i stay with 1.4.x
[07:14] <Daisuke_Ido> because 2 just isn't there yet
[07:14] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Ido: good choice.
[07:14] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Ido: 2 is missing a lot of features at this point in the game ... it has come a long way and is pretty non-crashy at this point though
[07:15] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Ido: I guess we call this point in the road minimally functional?
[07:16] <Daisuke_Ido> i'll call it winamp until it's half as useful as 1.4
[07:16] <deftone> i installed cairo-dock but can't seem to get it going...am i doing something wrong?
[07:17] <Daisuke_Ido> are you using a video driver that allows for compositing?
[07:18] <deftone> u talking to me Daisuke?
[07:18] <Daisuke_Ido> yes
[07:18] <Daisuke_Ido> also...
[07:18] <Daisuke_Ido> !u
[07:19] <deftone> i don't know....i have the Intel GM965
[07:19] <deftone> i'm a newbie
[07:19] <Daisuke_Ido> then you should be okay
[07:19] <dwidmann> In other words, yes.
[07:20] <Daisuke_Ido> that tends to be the most common issue with docks, so at least that's out of the way :)
[07:20] <Daisuke_Ido> now, on to why it's not running...  can you launch it from a terminal and tell us what it says?
[07:20] <alesan> hey, do you have an idea if there is a "quicklauncher" widget for the new KDE4 thing?
[07:20] <Daisuke_Ido> !paste | deftone
[07:21] <deftone> few quick windows pop up but so fast i can't read them quickly enough...then nothing happens
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> deftone: open konsole and run cairo-dock from there
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> it won't disappear :)
[07:23] <deftone> command now found
[07:23] <deftone> just type in run cairo-dock  ?
[07:23] <temp11> anyone have ran quicken on ubuntu?
[07:23] <deftone> i see the process in the processes...
[07:23] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[07:23] <temp11> is their anyway to run it? smoothly?
[07:24] <Daisuke_Ido> temp11: yeah, in windows
[07:24] <Daisuke_Ido> however, i think it's gotten better in wine recently, let me double check
[07:25] <deftone> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CairoDock    i did what it told me here....any ideas Daisuke?
[07:25] <Daisuke_Ido> deftone: are you using hardy?
[07:26] <Daisuke_Ido> temp11: what version of quicken?
[07:26] <alesan> hey probably my package is corrupted and the K menu has an icon of a left arrow. How can I reinstall the correct icon?
[07:26] <deftone> no i'm not but there's not intrepid instructions.....i got it running by downloading the libs actually
[07:27] <dwidmann> alesan: well, whichever package it is, you could reinstall it either with adept or with "apt-get install --reinstall packagename"
[07:27] <alesan> dwidmann: do you have an idea which package has the KDE menu?
[07:27] <Daisuke_Ido> deftone: cairo dock is in the repos now
[07:27] <dwidmann> alesan: no one package in particular
[07:27] <master_> How can I not have kubuntu load the stupid kvm_intel model when it boots?  (so I can run virtualbox)
[07:27] <Daisuke_Ido> deftone: sudo apt-get install cairo-dock
[07:28] <alesan> dwidmann: or, is it possible the KDE4 has a left arrow instead of the K icon?
[07:28] <Daisuke_Ido> will take care of all dependencies as well
[07:28] <dwidmann> alesan: unless you're just talking about the actual kmenu's icon ...
[07:28] <alesan> yes the icon of the menu'
[07:28] <dwidmann> alesan: ah, one moment (or three)
[07:29] <deftone> should i uninstall what i have in there now?
[07:29] <Daisuke_Ido> deftone: it should do it for you
[07:30] <deftone> i installed one already but it wasn't through sudo apt-get
[07:30] <deftone> so should i uninstall what is in there then start over with sudo apt-get?
[07:30] <dwidmann> alesan: maybe kde-icons-oxygen
[07:30] <alesan> dwidmann: what do you have as an icon for the K menu?
[07:31] <dwidmann> alesan: hmm, better idea, create a new user account and log into it and see what it's icon is, if it's the k-icon it's a user-level config issue
[07:33] <dwidmann> 150 packages to go for my upgrade to intrepid :)
[07:33] <alesan> dwidmann: were you using KDE4 before?
[07:33] <dwidmann> alesan: yeah, on my laptop at least ... using fluxbox on my desktop
[07:35] <spawn57> hi folks, is there way to change the play hotkey on my keyboard to play/pause amarok instead of just play? ..
[07:35] <dwidmann> spawn57: check under amarok's global shortcuts
[07:36] <deftone> Daisuke: how can i remove what i installed and clean it up?
[07:37] <spawn57> dwidmann: thanks
[07:37] <Daisuke_Ido> deftone: it will remove the one you installed by hand
[07:39] <ekontsevoy> Can I configure how application switching works? I just booted up Kubuntu first time ever from a live CD (I've been a Gnome user) and the way app switching is done isn't my cup of tea. How do I configure that?
[07:39] <Daisuke_Ido> what do you mean?  like...  alt-tab?
[07:39] <deftone> oh i got ya!
[07:40] <deftone> o.k sorry for being annoying...ty
[07:40] <ekontsevoy> Daisuke_Ido: yes. On a live CD it's like a combination of a rolling icon list in the background with a flashy but annoying 3D graphics in the front
[07:40] <deftone> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[07:40] <deftone> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:40] <deftone> so i would type in     sudo apt-get autoremove cairo-dock  ?
[07:41] <spawn57> dwidmann: the key isn't detecting
[07:41] <Daisuke_Ido> ekontsevoy: system settings > desktop > all effects > scroll down to the alt-tab choices and take your pick
[07:41] <Daisuke_Ido> deftone: what exactly are you typing in?
[07:42] <deftone> i got that message:      Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove item
[07:42] <ekontsevoy> Daisuke_Ido: cool, lemme reboot into livecd again then! :) BTW: which browser do you guys use under Kubuntu?
[07:42] <ekontsevoy> I've tried Opera on Gnome but it always felt foreign (Qt app) - does it play nice under KDE?
[07:42] <Daisuke_Ido> ekontsevoy: i just use firefox
[07:43] <Daisuke_Ido> but i'm desktop agnostic
[07:43] <Daisuke_Ido> i use whatever works best
[07:43] <favro> I like elinks - cuts down on the adds
[07:43] <favro> *ads
[07:43] <Daisuke_Ido> favro: so does adblock
[07:43] <Daisuke_Ido> i see about as many as you do
[07:43] <ekontsevoy> Daisuke_Ido: wow... Firefox is THE REASON I want to leave Gnome behind. It's very slow... Especially when the laptop is running on the battery
[07:43] <Daisuke_Ido> deftone: you didn't answer the question
[07:44] <Daisuke_Ido> ekontsevoy: to each his own
[07:44] <deftone> i'm trying to remove cairo-dock
[07:44] <Daisuke_Ido> why aren't you trying to INSTALL cairo-dock
[07:44] <deftone> so i can intall from the repos
[07:44] <Daisuke_Ido> installing from the repos will automatically remove any other you have installed.
[07:45] <Daisuke_Ido> if you must do it by hand, sudo apt-get remove cairo-dock
[07:45] <deftone> o.k but when i did that i got a message: Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them
[07:45] <Daisuke_Ido> that isn't the whole message
[07:45] <deftone> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:46] <deftone> those two lines is what i got
[07:46] <Daisuke_Ido> that isn't the whole message either.
[07:55] <kb0rkd> ji
[07:55] <kb0rkd> how do I upgrade to the new one command line?
[07:55] <micha_> hey is there a save way to upgrade to 8.10 ... do i have to edit /etc/sourcelist
[07:56] <favro> !upgrade
[07:58] <micha_> administration software sources ??? fuck it i edit /etc/sourcelist
[07:59] <Guest7558> micha_: language please...
[08:00] <kb0rkd> w00t upgrading now!!!
[08:01] <kb0rkd> is it cool the intrepid?
[08:02] <kb0rkd> is there little chat because it's latte?
[08:02] <kb0rkd> how many packages in total?
[08:03] <alesan> kb0rkd: KDE4 is lousy
[08:03] <alesan> I'm having so many problems I really regret I upgraded
[08:03] <alesan> maybe with another window manager it's different
[08:04] <micha_> kde4 is f*ck <--- watch my language :)
[08:04] <favro> and some have found joy in the upgrade - it is a crap shoot
[08:05]  * faileas signs
[08:05] <faileas> *sighs
[08:05]  * faileas wonders if it would have hurt to try it first before upgrading ;)
[08:05] <faileas> thats what i did ;p
[08:06] <favro> the live cd is built for a reason...
[08:06] <alesan> I wanted to upgrade kernel soon because my thinkpad T61 had some delay when resuming from suspend
[08:07]  * faileas installed it on a spare box ;p
[08:07] <alesan> I did the upgrade and I overlooked the part where they say it's KDE4 only
[08:07] <faileas> alesan: there's a post on the forums on how to downgrade to 3.5 i think
[08:07] <kb0rkd> i have it alrady
[08:07] <alesan> faileas: do you have more references? which forum?
[08:07] <alesan> kb0rkd: what, downgraded??
[08:07] <faileas> alesan: one moment ;)
[08:08] <kb0rkd> kde4 powns ya'll
[08:08] <kb0rkd> no hardy
[08:08] <kb0rkd> I was asking the intrepid
[08:09] <kb0rkd> those for you that complain about kde4 you gotta learn how to use, yu n00bs
[08:11] <micha_> pff
[08:11] <faileas> someone lacks patience : http://tennessee.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?s=03dd6e75a3859a1426a4ec8a10d30c0e&t=960742&highlight=kde+3.5+downgrade was the link for alesan
[08:12] <alesan> test
[08:13] <faileas> ahh
[08:13] <faileas> alesan: you missed the link ;p
[08:13] <favro> alesan: fail
[08:13] <faileas> http://tennessee.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?s=03dd6e75a3859a1426a4ec8a10d30c0e&t=960742&highlight=kde+3.5+downgrade
[08:14] <deftone> Anyone have luck with Cairo-Dock in Intrepid?
[08:15] <alesan> faileas: that post looks cool!
[08:16] <faileas> alesan: ymmv, i've never done it myself
[08:16] <alesan> faileas: I understand that
[08:17] <alesan> now, I will go to bed, I'm very tired and this KDE4 thing depressed me a lot.
[08:20] <deftone> Anyone using Cairo-Dock on 8.10?
[08:21] <__Widget__> hmm... i just freshly installed kubuntu 8.10, loaded Adept to install some stuuf, but that crashed, tried again,,, crashed. Rebooted PC, now when ever I try log in.. it starts to load them icons, monitor flicks off, then on and have to type user/pass in again
[08:22] <__Widget__> anyone know how to fix ?
[08:26]  * __Widget__ is sad :(
[08:28] <Renegade15> good evening
[08:28] <Renegade15> does anybody know what can cause annoying random disconnects from the network?
[08:28] <dwidmann> __Widget__: try running " sudo apt-get update"
[08:28] <faileas> Renegade15: wired or wireless?
[08:28] <Renegade15> wired
[08:29] <dwidmann> Renegade15: poor signal, poor wireless card and/or drivers?
[08:29] <faileas> dwidmann: hence me asking wired or wireless
[08:29] <__Widget__> dwidmann: i cant even lof into kubuntu
[08:29] <__Widget__> log*
[08:30] <Renegade15> it worked fine for years under windows, and it works fine the large majority of the day...it's just that, reliably, at a random point in time during the day, it will completely lose connection to the network, and be fine when rebooted
[08:30] <dwidmann> __Widget__: press  ctrl+alt+f1, and do it from there
[08:30] <Renegade15> widget: your problem wouldn't happen to have to occured after the upgrade wanted to reboot?
[08:31] <__Widget__> i couldnt upgrade... was a fresh install.. i tried doing the Hardware Device Driver thing for Video card.. that was taking too long.. didnt start to dload.. so i canceled, loaded adept.. locked up and came up with a message...
[08:31] <__Widget__> i tried loading adept again like it asked, but same issue... so i hit reset button
[08:32] <Renegade15> have you tried recovery mode -> fix X server?
[08:32] <__Widget__> hmm... good question.. no lol.. will try that.. thnx :)
[08:32] <__Widget__> forgot all about that pp
[08:32] <__Widget__> :p
[08:33] <Renegade15> is that an nVidia or ATI card?
[08:34] <__Widget__> nvid
[08:35] <Renegade15> hmm...don't know about those. But with my ATI, I had problems using the automatic/repository-provided drivers; after I deinstalled them via adept and installed the .deb from ATI, the card worked fine
[08:35] <Renegade15> maybe try that
[08:35] <dwidmann> __Widget__: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new && sudo nvidia-xconfig
[08:36] <__Widget__> never installed .deb b4
[08:36] <Renegade15> it's very windows-like
[08:36] <Renegade15> you basically just execute it
[08:36] <__Widget__> ya, gonna try through terminal again.. did taht with 804.. but forgot bout it
[08:37] <Renegade15> that was in 8.04 actually...though guessing from some X recoveries earlier, it'll be the same this time
[08:39] <faileas> though from command line i think the command is sudo dpkg -i  /path/to/the.deb
[08:40] <Dragonath> heh, seems that youtube is crashing firefox almost every time I close the tab it's in
[08:40] <Dragonath> where can I file this bug?
[08:41] <Renegade15> so...about that network problem of mine. It really seems entirely random. Could be a certain period after booting, but I never stopped the time. One suggestion I found online was that it has problems updating its own data from DHCP, but that doesn't seem very likely to me...the connection is fine after a reboot
[08:41] <dwidmann> Dragonath: www.launchpad.net
[08:42] <Renegade15> I've had this problem before in 8.04, but I hoped it'd be gone with the upgrade and new version of network manager
[08:42] <Renegade15> alas, half an hour ago, it happened again
[08:43] <Dragonath> thanks
[08:43] <Renegade15> as said, it's a wired connection, and it's less than ten meters...so I rule out dropping signals or anything of the like
[08:45] <Renegade15> any ideas what could be the problem?
[08:46] <favro> Renegade15: anything mentioned in dmesg?
[08:47] <deftone> can anyone tell me what this means?
[08:48] <deftone> (cairo-dock-application-factory.c:cairo_dock_create_surface_from_xpixmap:123)
[08:48] <deftone>  This pixmap is undefined. It can happen for exemple for a window that is in a minimized statewhen the dock is launching.
[08:48] <Renegade15> looks like a line/function from a c source file related to the error you get
[08:49] <deftone> when i try to run cairo-dock that's what i get
[08:49] <deftone> i can see cairo in the processes but not on my desktop
[08:50] <Renegade15> have you looked into this: http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/397848-autostart-cairo-dock.html
[08:50] <Renegade15> favro: regarding what?
[08:51] <favro> Renegade15: about the network dropping
[08:51] <Renegade15> the moment of dropping? can't check right now, I rebooted to get here
[08:51] <favro> k
[08:52] <Renegade15> (but I shall try to remember to check next time, thank you)
[08:54] <Machtin> heyho.. when i try to connect to a vpn, kvpnc gives me the following error: The Cisco ipsec interface could not setup!
[08:54] <Machtin> how can i solve that?
[08:58] <Renegade15> oh well...thanks for the help. I'll surely drop in once or twice more while I set up 8.10
[08:58] <Renegade15> good night everyone
[08:59] <capcom> hello
[08:59] <__Widget__> wats that cairo dock ?
[09:00] <dr_willis> Hmm... GOt my weird bash script issue back now...
[09:01] <dwidmann> dr_willis: considered turning it into a weird python/ruby/perl script?
[09:01] <dr_willis> Not yet.. now its just hanging instead of giving me that malloc error.. this is on a 2nd box..ive just upgraded to 8.10
[09:01] <capcom> where can i set the taskbar to vanish when he mouse pointer isn't on it? i can't find the setting anymore in kde 4.1
[09:02] <__Widget__> !cairo
[09:05] <flaccid> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/intrepid/desktop/kubuntu-8.10-alternate-i386.iso.torrent is a 404!, fix it!
[09:06] <__Widget__> so demanding :O
[09:06] <favro> __Widget__: he used to run this channel
[09:07] <__Widget__> ic
[09:07] <__Widget__> man... i have too much c*ap in my room :S
[09:08] <__Widget__> need a lil box so i can dump it under my bed or somthing :\
[09:08] <ale_> hi to all
[09:08] <ale_> i have upgrade to 8.10
[09:09] <ale_> but when i move mouse and write any letters i look my display to move
[09:09] <ale_> sorry 4 my english
[09:10] <master_> Does anyone have any idea how to make a virtualbox guest be reachable from the host?
[09:11] <__Widget__> ok, tried fixing xserv.. didnt work :\
[09:12] <ale_> __Widget__: your reply is for me?
[09:12] <__Widget__> ale_: negative
[09:13] <ale_> ok tnx
[09:13] <__Widget__> anyone know command line to load back into gui.. im in terminal mode3 atm
[09:13] <__Widget__> mode*
[09:14] <dr_willis> xwin or startx
[09:14] <dr_willis> perhaps
[09:14] <capcom> ctrl+alt+f7
[09:15] <__Widget__> thnx :) .. though I got an error... (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[09:16] <__Widget__> ctrl+alt+F7 made my screen blacnk except for a flashing  _
[09:17] <capcom> ctrl+alt+f7 brings you back to kde after you switched to one of the 6 other consoles by ctrl+alt+fX (x = 1 - 6)
[09:17] <capcom> if kde is running
[09:17] <__Widget__> ahh k
[09:19] <capcom> but how do i get my damn control bar disappear if the mouse leaves it.. i now made it to increase its height.. but i cant make it disappear..
[09:22] <__Widget__> woo.. problem fixt
[09:22] <__Widget__> repaired borked packages
[09:22] <__Widget__> think my driver were stuffed
[09:24] <__Widget__> how do i restart x-serve?
[09:26] <dr_willis> alt-ctrl-backspace to kill it.. or use the mensu
[09:26] <__Widget__> is there a command line to restart it?
[09:27] <dwidmann> __Widget__: well, it should come back to life on its own, depending on just what you do.
[09:28] <__Widget__> yup.. just did it the way dr said too and worked :)
[09:29] <__Widget__> hmm.. i installed drivers by sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-177 ... it seemed to install.. yet nvidia x server settings and Hardware Drivers don't reconize me as having installed them
[09:30] <__Widget__> Hardware Drivers is telling me to "Activate" wen i highlight the drivers ive already installed... and..
[09:30] <__Widget__> nvidia x server says im not running an nvidia x driver :\
[09:30] <__Widget__> did i miss something
[09:31] <dwidmann> __Widget__: you missed something
[09:31] <__Widget__> hmm
[09:31] <Ardy> Please help, problems installing Kubuntu 8.10 on amd64... hangs on 'starting partitioner'... any ideas?
[09:31] <dwidmann> __Widget__: run nvidia-xconfig
[09:31] <__Widget__> validation error
[09:32] <dwidmann> Ardy: doing anything out of the ordinary with your partitioning?
[09:32] <__Widget__> says data is incomplete in file /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[09:32] <AciD> hi
[09:32] <dwidmann> Ardy: checksums on the disk ok?
[09:32] <Ardy> no, I have vista on one drive and the other for linux
[09:32] <dwidmann> __Widget__: should be safe to ignore that IIRC
[09:32] <__Widget__> sh: pkg-config: not found
[09:32] <__Widget__> oh ok
[09:32] <Ardy> no... I had kubuntu 8.04 on it with no problems
[09:33] <Ardy> so the disk is even already partitioned.. can I skip the step some how
[09:33] <AciD> I installed ubuntu 8.10 (not kubuntu) and it works great ! Now I installed most of the kde apps I like too (by using apt-get install kde). What I don't figure is why the 'systemsettings' (replacement for kcontrol) is so 'empty' : I only have 8 icons in the general tab, and only 'icons' and 'emoticons' in the appeareance one
[09:33] <dwidmann> Ardy: checksums on the disk ok?
[09:33] <Ardy> checksums on the disk on? what do you mean? how do I check?
[09:34] <bazhang> !md5
[09:34] <dwidmann> AciD: that's strange, sounds like something is missing
[09:34] <__Widget__> well i nvidia-xconfig , restarted xerver, yet still not reconizing it has being installed...
[09:34] <Ardy> yeah, I verified that the CD was fine... I ran the CD verifier
[09:34] <AciD> dwidmann > indeed, I did double check that the meta package 'kde' was installed though :/
[09:34] <Ardy> all was well
[09:34] <__Widget__> gonna try again
[09:34] <AciD> perhaps I should log out of the gnome session
[09:35] <bazhang> AciD, its not kde
[09:35] <bazhang> AciD, its kubuntu-desktop
[09:36] <Ardy> dwidmann: yeah I checked, kubuntu disk checker said that the CD was fine
[09:36] <LimCore> how well does kde work in 8.10?  because week before 8.10 come out, most kde was not present, so I wonder is 8.10  amd64  good yet for production server+desktop
[09:36] <AciD> should I install kubuntu-desktop even though I prefer to use kde apps with gnome panel as my environment ?
[09:36] <Machtin> heyho.. how can i fix that one (kvpnc): "The Cisco ipsec interface could not setup!"?
[09:37] <dwidmann> Ardy: if all else fails, download the alternate installer and use it, and do try reporting a bug on ubiquity-kde on www.launchpad.net
[09:37] <Ardy> dwidmann: thanks I'll try that
[09:37] <dwidmann> LimCore: it has been good for quite some time
[09:38] <dwidmann> LimCore: at least I think so
[09:39] <__Widget__> sudo apt-get update just fetches it ? not installs ?
[09:39] <dwidmann> __Widget__: update fetches the list of packages
[09:40] <__Widget__> wats the command to install availble updates through konsole ?
[09:40] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get update
[09:40] <__Widget__> sudo apt-get install updates?
[09:40] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:40] <dwidmann> __Widget__: for that use upgrade or dist-upgrade
[09:40] <__Widget__> ahhh k, thnx :)
[09:42] <ku810-kde41> Hola, no consigo reproducir divx en kubuntu 8.10. Al abrir la pelicula se pone negro y el play no hace nada. ¿qué paquetes/codecs debo instalar?
[09:44] <faileas> !es
[09:44] <faileas> well it looks like spanish
[09:45] <faileas> ku810-kde41: if i understand you correctly, i seem to think adding the medibuntu repos might help
[09:45] <ku810-kde41> ok, perdon..
[09:45] <ku810-kde41> how do i configure kubuntu to play divx files?
[09:45] <bazhang> !medibuntu
[09:46] <faileas> ku810-kde41: i answered it ;p. medibuntu repo, then probably apt-get update then apt-get upgrade
[09:46] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install vlc ku810-kde41
[09:46] <bazhang> also kubuntu-restricted-extras ku810-kde41
[09:47] <faileas> bazhang: i'm under the impression dragonplayer/kaffeine was able to hadle it out of the box with mine
[09:47] <faileas> only repo i consistantly add is medibuntu
[09:47] <bazhang> faileas, could be; just to be safe I install those others :)
[09:48] <faileas> bazhang: ;p
[09:52] <stakh> hello, I'm having issues with knetworkmanager since the last update (I'm on a 8.04 32bits). Knetwork detects the wireless but then can't negociate the registration (stays blocked at 28%). If I try several times eventually it works and then it's fine (or I wouldn't be here). It looks like I'm not the only one with this problem (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963448) any ideas?
[09:53] <LimCore> thanks dwidmann
[10:06] <com_h> Good eveing everyone, Just wondering if anyone has installed vmware in Kubuntu, I'm using VirtualBox, but wanted to try vmware
[10:06] <Notch-1> hi, can somebody tell me a light game with joystick support ?
[10:09] <dr_willis> !info xkoules
[10:09] <dr_willis> Hmmm i spelt it wrong
[10:09] <dr_willis> !info liquidwars
[10:09] <Leander> hello
[10:10] <dr_willis> !info liquidwar
[10:10] <dr_willis> Theres one that has JS Support :)
[10:10] <Notch-1> thank you
[10:11] <dr_willis> koules - abstract space action game
[10:11] <dr_willis> is another
[10:11] <dr_willis> :)
[10:11] <dr_willis> old-skool
[10:12] <Notch-1> thanks again :D
[10:18] <heinkel_111> ahem...where can i find the md5 checksum to verify my Kubuntu  8.10 DVD download file itnegrity?
[10:18] <heinkel_111> integrity
[10:18] <favro> !md5
[10:19] <heinkel_111> ubottu: winows, no way !
[10:19] <favro> heinkel_111: k3b does the check when you burn
[10:20] <favro> !bot
[10:20] <heinkel_111> favro, I guess k3b does not know what the md5checksum should be?
[10:20] <favro> heinkel_111: try here then - http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto
[10:20] <Machtin> heyho.. how can i fix that one (kvpnc): "The Cisco ipsec interface could not setup!"?
[10:21] <Leander> heinkel_111, if you boot from the DVD there's an option to verify integrity of the media (saw that when installing last night)
[10:22] <favro> Machtin: I dunno - if no-one knows now ask again in a bit...
[10:23] <dr_willis> k3b can  check the checksum against the md5 file - if you downloaded it.
[10:23] <dr_willis> or mdsum file.. whatever its called. :)
[10:23] <Machtin> favro: will do! thanksie
[10:23] <heinkel_111> Leander: that is a good thing, but if you can find the md5sum from a credible source such as the kubuntu webpage then I can check that the download is ok before I burn the disk, reboot or do anything remotely consequential to my system :-)
[10:23] <heinkel_111> better safe than sorry
[10:24] <favro> +1 on that
[10:26] <heinkel_111> favro, dr_willis: I found this page, but it seems a little out of date :( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[10:26] <heinkel_111> favro, dr_willis: it goes to 8.04, not including 8.10 :(
[10:26] <favro> heinkel_111: this site was no good? - http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto
[10:29] <heinkel_111> I have to burn the DVD to get the file called MD5SUM from it, right? What I have noticed is ktorrent acts a little weird, it reported the donwload complete but then continues to download small chunks, so I think something is wrong. Add to that I have one empy  DVD disk available ;-)
[10:29] <heinkel_111> favro ^
[10:29] <heinkel_111> in other words, I need to get the MD5sum without burning the DVD
[10:30] <favro> heinkel_111: there have been people mentioning that ktorrent doesn't work right - I don't use it
[10:31] <dr_willis> heinkel_111,  normally the ftp server having the iso files have a .md5 file there with them
[10:31] <dr_willis> heinkel_111,  i get the cd.iso and make a bootable/installable usb thumb drive from them
[10:32] <stdin> heinkel_111: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/release/ or http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/release/MD5SUMS
[10:34] <heinkel_111> thank you stdin :)
[10:34] <kumar> how do i force xorg to use a vesa driver?
[10:35] <kumar> my system hangs upon reaching the login screen
[10:35] <heinkel_111> except right now I keep timing out on those servers ... need to fix something
[10:35] <kumar> (has an s3 unichrome onboard graphics adaptor)
[10:35] <dr_willis> edit the xorg.conf and set  ' Driver "vesa"   '
[10:36] <stdin> heinkel_111: the mirrorserv one works here, and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors#DVD%20Images has a list of mirrors
[10:37] <kumar> dr_willis: under Device?
[10:37] <sorush20> how do I repair grub in kubuntu?
[10:38] <dr_willis> Section "Device"
[10:38] <dr_willis>     Identifier     "Device0"
[10:38] <dr_willis>     Driver         "nvidia"
[10:38] <dr_willis> sorush20,  repair in what way?
[10:38] <kumar> thank dr_willis
[10:38] <dr_willis> I saw a neat little gui tool in kubntu to tweak grub :) but not sure what you mean by repair
[10:39] <stdin> !grub
[10:39] <stdin> the 1st link should show how to restore grub if something happened to it
[10:40] <sorush20> dr_willis: it drops to grub command rather than loading the boot menu
[10:41] <dr_willis> id check out those docs given above then.
[10:41] <dr_willis> it may be looking on the wrong hd for some reason.
[10:42] <ubuntu-dron> good afternoon
[10:42] <heinkel_111> favro, dr_willis, finally I found the MD5SUMS (yeas, I have corrupted or incomplete archive...restarting ktorrent to see if that has something more reasonable to do...)
[10:42] <heinkel_111> was at ftp://ftp.uninett.no/linux/ubuntu-iso/kubuntu/8.10
[10:43] <ubuntu-dron> when external repo is added "deb http://download.i-rs.ru/pub/openoffice/debian ./" apt keeps on ignoring it, what did i do wrong?
[10:43] <heinkel_111> ubuntu-dron: maybe you forgot sudo apt-get update?
[10:44] <heinkel_111> <-- certainly made that mistake before ;)
[10:44] <ubuntu-dron> heinkel_111: it is ignored during updating the lists
[10:44] <Mehrab> hi everyone
[10:46] <tapo> can we expect to get updated kde 4.1 packages someday. it is a buggy mess.
[10:46] <Mehrab> I have activated desktop effects in kubuntu 8.10, and after that, when I login I jut can see a white screen. so I just have access to terminal, now how can I turn desktop effexts off through terminal?
[10:47] <heinkel_111> ubuntu-dron: i'll pass then, but check how it looks in the /etc/apt/sources.list file, it should have the same format as the other ones in the listing
[10:48] <sorush20> $900 (USD)* for the support. what dose the terms and conditions of support state and what is the support limited to.. ?
[10:48] <Aeternus> Hello, why under xorg.conf I can only see "Configured Video Device" and all the configuration parameters are missing?
[10:48] <bazhang> sorush20, from canonical?
[10:49] <Mehrab> anyway to turn off desktop effect with terminal?
[10:49] <Salze> Mehrab: Change "Enabled=true" in .kde/share/config/kwinrc
[10:49] <bazhang> Mehrab, alt f2 kwin --replace
[10:50] <sorush20> bazhang: is there anywhere else?
[10:50] <bazhang> sorush20, was that the topic of your question? canonical?
[10:51] <sorush20> bazhang: yes
[10:51] <ubuntu-dron> \heinkel_111: well it has the same one, yet there's no distro specified...
[10:51] <alexoandro> buenas
[10:51] <bazhang> sorush20, you can join their channel and ask, or go to their home page; this is for kubuntu unpaid support
[10:51] <ubuntu-dron> heinkel_111: the "deb http://download.i-rs.ru/pub/openoffice/debian ./" worked perfectly for 8.04
[10:53] <heinkel_111> ubuntu-dron: I am no expert on apt, i only have my own experience of things that does not work to draw from, and some experience in what I did to make it work :)
[10:53] <alexoandro> in this canel that speak in english ?
[10:53] <ubuntu-dron> heinkel_111: thanx anyway :)
[10:54] <tapo> How can I completly disable desktop effects?
[10:54] <Salze> tapo: Just deselect all effects. ;-)
[10:54] <zaishaza> excuse me, i've just installed kubuntu 8.10 dist upgraded and updated, but i can't build blender svn code because it needs scons 1.0 and kubuntu has 0.98 something. is there somewhere i can get a newer version of scons? like a backport or something?
[10:55] <alexoandro> can you speak spanish ?
[10:56] <bazhang> alexoandro, /j #kubuntu-es
[10:56] <heinkel_111> !es > alexoandro
[10:56] <tapo> Salze: hm
[10:56] <heinkel_111> ah bazhang beat me to iit
[10:58] <sorush20> where is their channel. ?
[11:00] <sorush20> my live session is really slow what can I do ..
[11:01] <sorush20> konqueror keeps freezing
[11:01] <bentob0x> hi
[11:01] <sorush20> i can;t run k3b
[11:01] <sorush20> which is a problem
[11:01] <bentob0x> where can I get a list of updates done on Kubuntu
[11:02] <sorush20> how do I check the version of a kubuntu cd?
[11:02] <bentob0x> let's say I want to see all the updates done in September and October
[11:02] <NetersLandreau> i upgraded to 8.10 and now if i try to login to KDE, it puts me right back to the login screen.. does anyone know how i can fix this?
[11:02] <bentob0x> it is a known issue NetersLandreau
[11:02] <bentob0x> www.kubuntu.org
[11:02] <alexoandro> buenas
[11:02] <bazhang> !version
[11:03] <bentob0x> scroll down that page NetersLandreau
[11:05] <bentob0x> NetersLandreau: Select "KDE" from the Session Menu before logging in and fix it with update-alternatives --set x-session-manager /usr/bin/startkde.
[11:06] <NetersLandreau> yes bentob0x.. how do i do the actual fix? where do i place that command?
[11:07] <bentob0x> in a console/terminial
[11:07] <bentob0x> CTRL+F1
[11:07] <bentob0x> then CTRL+F7 to go back to your KDM
[11:07] <bentob0x> sorry
[11:07] <bentob0x> CTRL+ALT+F1 :)
[11:07] <bentob0x> forgot alt on both commands
[11:07] <NetersLandreau> thx.. let me give that a shot :)
[11:07] <bentob0x> or shortcusts
[11:11] <NetersLandreau> bentob0x: that had no affect
[11:11] <bentob0x> what didn't?
[11:12] <Mehrab> I entered  kwin --replace  in console mode to turn off desktop effects in kubuntu 8.10
[11:12] <Mehrab> but I got this error: cannot access x server
[11:12] <bentob0x> what didn't have an effect NetersLandreau?
[11:12] <NetersLandreau> updae-alternatives --set x-session-manager /usr/bin/startkde, bentob0x
[11:12] <NetersLandreau> er update
[11:13] <bentob0x> ok so you typed it in your console and then logged out?
[11:13] <bentob0x> and then went back to your login screen?
[11:13] <NetersLandreau> i logged out and typed it into a console and tried logging in
[11:13] <bentob0x> ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:13] <bentob0x> then try to log in again
[11:14] <Mehrab> any other way to turn off desktop effects in console mode?
[11:14] <bentob0x> (ctrl+alt+backspace = restart X)
[11:15] <Mehrab> bentob0x: did just answer me?
[11:15] <NetersLandreau> alright, let me try that.. should i restart x before or after i do the update-alternatives command, bentob0x?
[11:15] <bentob0x> no it was for NetersLandreau :)
[11:16] <bentob0x> I think that once the command is run on your machine, the session-manager should be updated
[11:16] <bentob0x> I don't know if you need to add sudo before it tho
[11:16] <bentob0x> after you do that dommand NetersLandreau
[11:16] <NetersLandreau> i logged into the comsole as root
[11:16] <bentob0x> ah ok
[11:17] <bentob0x> how did you do that btw?
[11:17] <SinII_> This may have been asked before, but ... I upgraded from hardy running kde4 to intrepid and I'M missing some of my icons (i.e. the K-Menu button). Re-applying the Oxygen theme in System Settings did not help. Any suggestions?
[11:18] <bentob0x> log into the console using your standard username NetersLandreau
[11:18] <bentob0x> and then you type this twice (just in case) :
[11:18] <bentob0x> update-alternatives --set x-session-manager /usr/bin/startkde
[11:18] <bentob0x> and then
[11:18] <bentob0x> sudo update-alternatives --set x-session-manager /usr/bin/startkde
[11:19] <bentob0x> then once this is done, exit the console
[11:19] <NetersLandreau> ok.. let me try and hopefully i can give you a success report from KDE instead of gnome ;)
[11:19] <bentob0x> :)
[11:19] <Aikurn> does anyone know how to backup nepomuk data (Intrepid, KDE4)?
[11:22] <mike_> morning - can anyone help? Installed ibex and can't edit the active network connection in the manager. has options to add new, but doesn't show the one that's running. Need to do dns and host stuff etc... I know I can do it on cmd line but...
[11:22] <sebbez> hello!
[11:23] <jozek> po polsku
[11:23] <bazhang> !pl
[11:25] <sap> i need help
[11:25] <NetersLandreau> bentob0x: i can't give you a success report.. i guess i'm going to have to adjust to gnome until they come out with a good fix for this :(
[11:25] <sap> lots of help
[11:25] <sap> the new kubuntu 8.10 doesnt support static ip
[11:25] <sap> i live on static ip i need a workaround
[11:25] <sebbez> sap -> does your router support DHCP?
[11:26] <sap> i dont know its the hostel server
[11:26] <sebbez> so you have to use this, cause this is a known bug in 8.10
[11:26] <sap> i live in my college hostel
[11:26] <sap> and i go through the college server
[11:26] <sap> to connect online
[11:26] <sebbez> ah, and there your need static ip?
[11:26] <bentob0x> NetersLandreau: how did you update from Ubuntu to Kubuntu?
[11:26] <faileas> hmm
[11:27] <sap> yes i need static ip
[11:27] <sap> so
[11:27] <NetersLandreau> no.. i was running kubuntu 8.04, bentob0x
[11:27] <sap> how do i workaround this
[11:27] <faileas> bentob0x: sudi apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[11:27] <bentob0x> and you had to install gnome?
[11:27] <sap> and why did they release a crippled os
[11:27] <bentob0x> just to be able to log in?
[11:27] <sap> ahhh
[11:27] <faileas> sap: get a router, or a box that can act as one? >_>
[11:27] <sap> anything else
[11:28] <sap> anyway that this will get repaired soon
[11:28] <NetersLandreau> actually, i had gnome-desktop installed as well as kubuntu-desktop, bentob0x
[11:28] <bentob0x> I thought he updated from Ubuntu 8.04 to Kubuntu 8.10 directly faileas, I was just curious on _how_ he would have achieved such a thing :)
[11:28] <sap> cause what i will do is install ubuntu then
[11:28] <bentob0x> ah ok NetersLandreau
[11:28] <sap> then install the kuuntu desktop on top
[11:28] <faileas> bentob0x: ahh
[11:28] <sap> and keep updating till that problem is resolved
[11:29] <sap> from ubuntu
[11:29] <faileas> sap: try install just nm-applet and using that instead of knetworkmanager for now?
[11:29] <sap> will that work
[11:29] <apachelogger> sap: sounds pointless
[11:29] <apachelogger> sap: install network-manager-gnome
[11:29] <faileas> unless the issue is with networkmanager in which case you won't be able to in either case
[11:29] <apachelogger> start it via the command nm-applet
[11:29] <sap> to install nm-applet i need to connect to the internet right
[11:30] <apachelogger> if that doesn't work either .... press alt+f2 -> enter man:/interfaces -> read about the most lowlevel solution
[11:30] <sap> ok
[11:30] <apachelogger> well, almost most ;-)
[11:30] <sap> soo same thing
[11:30] <sap> ok i will install ubuntu first
[11:30] <bentob0x> NetersLandreau: you might find an alternate solution here: https://launchpad.net/bugs/287488
[11:30] <sap> and then just download the kubuntu desktop
[11:31] <apachelogger> sap: what difference would that make?
[11:31] <NetersLandreau> thx bentob0x
[11:31] <sap> it will in that it will update the kubuntu also when i update ubuntu
[11:31] <sap> so
[11:31] <sap> i keep using gnome till a point where kubuntu work s
[11:31] <apachelogger> ah
[11:32] <bYp> hi
[11:33] <sap> so as of now the only workaround for static ip is to use nm-applet
[11:33] <sap> ??
[11:34] <bYp> could somebody help me with settings X?
[11:34] <faileas> sap: or a router with DHCP
[11:34] <sap> oh ok
[11:34] <apachelogger> or the interfaces config
[11:34] <Far^Side> I have just tried out som MacOS X dashboard widgets in KDE 4.1.2 on Kubuntu 8.10, but they just loads with a white background and not transparent as they should be, does anyone know how to fix this?
[11:34] <sap> well thanks
[11:34] <apachelogger> or a local DHCP
[11:35] <sap> apachelogger: interfaces config???
[11:35] <sap> ple explain
[11:35] <NetersLandreau> bentob0x: i have tried all of those alternative solutions earlier.. none seemed to help and there is no way i want to reformat my hard drive.. unless i can think of a nice way to completely backup what i have..
[11:35] <apachelogger> sap: [12:30:23] <apachelogger> if that doesn't work either .... press alt+f2 -> enter man:/interfaces -> read about the most lowlevel solution
[11:35] <sap> ok
[11:35] <sap> let me try
[11:35] <sap> i'll be back
[11:36] <bentob0x> NetersLandreau: Backup on linux is everything but hard: just copy your /home/your-user-name/ folder and you have everything you need
[11:37] <bentob0x> NetersLandreau: check also some comon packages like the /var/www/ folder if you use your machine as a web server
[11:37] <bentob0x> but that's about it
[11:37] <esperegu> how to upgrade to kde4 from ubuntu?
[11:38] <berkes> good day!
[11:38] <faileas> esperegu: on hardy or intrepid?
[11:38] <esperegu> intrepid
[11:38] <esperegu> (810)
[11:38] <berkes> is it advisable to move the .kde directory when upgrading to 8.10? Or is all the config/settings etc taken care off?
[11:38] <mehrab> I turned on desktop effects in kde4 and now I just have a white screen when I login, any idea what shoul i do?
[11:39] <NetersLandreau> bentob0x: and don't forget the mysql databases (i've done this in the past but it always scares me because this is my main workstation)
[11:39] <esperegu> faileas: intrepid (810)
[11:39] <bentob0x> yes but phpmyadmin is easy for that, just do a global export NetersLandreau
[11:39] <faileas> esperegu: easy, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:39] <bentob0x> but it is true that you have to pay attention to those things
[11:40] <esperegu> faileas: that does not seem to be in my package list
[11:41] <faileas> esperegu: thats odd
[11:42] <esperegu> faileas: I am talkin bullshit.
[11:42] <esperegu> faileas: was a filter on.
[11:42] <faileas> esperegu: ;)
[11:43] <esperegu> faileas: that will be kde4 automaticly now?
[11:43] <faileas> esperegu: yeah
[11:43] <esperegu> niz
[11:43] <faileas> esperegu: there's a way to install KDE3 if you want off a third party repo according to the forums tho ;p
[11:44] <esperegu> nooooo
[11:44] <esperegu> 4 !
[11:44] <esperegu> =)
[11:44] <faileas> esperegu: choice is always good
[11:44] <faileas> ;p
[11:44] <esperegu> true
[11:44]  * faileas notes this is the first time in a LONG time i have had only one DE installed
[11:44] <vinci_> will kubuntu add the ZUI funtion in the next kde patch?
[11:45] <vinci_> http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=EhODrJkoidA
[11:45] <esperegu> does kubuntu also have guest user option?
[11:45] <esperegu> that's pretty nice
[11:49] <SinII_> Is it intended that kdebase is not installed by default in ibex?
[11:50] <apachelogger> SinII_: I would say so
[11:50] <apachelogger> vinci_: no
[11:51] <ranone> ciao
[11:52] <vinci_> apachelogger: why? It seems cool
[11:52] <SinII_> apachelogger: OK, thanks. Wondered me a bit when apt just wanted to install it when I installed kde-icons-.* to find a solution to my icon problem
[11:55] <apachelogger> vinci_: http://dot.kde.org/1225379191/1225390809/1225398281/
[11:55] <apachelogger> SinII_: what icon problem?
[11:56] <SinII_> apachelogger: I updaced to ibex an have a bunch of missing icons since then, i.e. volume control has none and the launcher menu, too
[11:57] <Babuto> hi, i have a problem starting xserver, when i try "startx" i have the following error message : "ne screen found" ; i wasn't having this problem before trying to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10
[11:57] <Babuto> could anyone help me please ?
[11:57] <apachelogger> SinII_: if you had read the release announcement you would know about bug 289174 ;-)
[11:58] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/bugs/289174
[11:58] <SinII_> Huh, I thought I read them, seemingly not careful enough 0o
[11:59] <apachelogger> SinII_: maybe you stopped before the list of known issues :)
[12:00] <SinII_> Ahhh. I read that bug report
[12:00] <Babuto> i'll try on #ubuntu
[12:01] <apachelogger> Babuto: sounds sensible :)
[12:01] <SinII_> apachelogger: But is there a way to solve that, yet?
[12:01] <Babuto> sensible ?
[12:01] <SinII_> Selecting oxygen (or any other theme) in system nettings does not
[12:01] <apachelogger> SinII_: make a screenshot please
[12:01] <apachelogger> Babuto: it does make sense
[12:02] <apachelogger> Babuto: the issue sounds generic (as in not kubuntu specific) to me
[12:02] <Babuto> ok
[12:05] <etfb> Trying and failing to burn an Irritable Impala (or whatever it's called) Kubuntu CD using K3B.  Can anyone suggest a better iso-burning tool?  May be a hardware problem, of course...
[12:06] <SinII_> apachelogger: http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/663/snaply0.png
[12:07] <juan> hola
[12:07] <apachelogger> SinII_: what icon theme are you using now?
[12:07] <apachelogger> salut juan
[12:07] <juan> que tal
[12:08] <juan> todos los de este chat usais linux?
[12:08] <apachelogger> now that could be a set of languages
[12:08] <apachelogger> !es
[12:08] <apachelogger> juan: ^
[12:09] <juan> ok
[12:09] <SinII_> apachelogger: oxygen
[12:10] <apachelogger> SinII_: most weird, please try `sudo apt-get install --reinstall kde-icons-oxygen`
[12:10] <apachelogger> and possibly relogin
[12:11] <vinci_> apachelogger: thank you. but i still hope it'll include when it mature
[12:13] <SinII_> apachelogger: Reinstalled and need to try relogin  ... And I'm sorry, I just got a urgent call, have to leave for a while. Thanks for your help so far!
[12:13] <Babuto`> it's me again, i've tried to apt-get update, but it sticks on "waiting for headers". I can't browse the web with lynx, but i can ping google. any hints ?
[12:14] <pyRunner> Hi I recently upgraded to Ibex and my eth2 interface doesn't work; I think my ipw3945 module is not right
[12:14] <pyRunner> Has anybody encountered similiar problems?
[12:14] <apachelogger> vinci_: it will be, but only when it is mature, and currently there are still quite some showstoppers ... you can however give it a try once we publish 4.2 packages (pre-release and post-release), the current plan suggests that we remove all kubuntu modifications from the packages to provide the best possible feedback for KDE
[12:14] <etfb> I want to burn a CD on my Kubuntu laptop.  K3B keeps failing.  Any alternatives out there?  What should I be using?
[12:14] <pyRunner> Should I wait for an update of the kernel image?
[12:15] <apachelogger> etfb: if K3b fails you most likely have a hardware issue, K3b uses most essential basic tools under the hood, so if it doesn't work with K3b, chance is good that no free burning app will work
[12:16] <apachelogger> pyRunner: sounds logical, you might want to ask google for similar problems, if it is a problem with driver there is probably a bug report you can subscribe to
[12:16] <etfb> apachelogger: Bother.  I hate having to bring my laptop in for a service because the people who look after it are hideously slow.  But there's that and a problem with the mouse button and the battery keeps losing capacity.  I guess it's time...
[12:17] <apachelogger> Babuto`: the waiting for headers could just be that your archive mirror is stressed out ... which seems normal considering release was only 2 days ago
[12:17] <pyRunner> apachelogger: great thanks... just a bit of confirmation needed on my end...
[12:17] <apachelogger> etfb: sounds like it :)
[12:18] <stephan> shal i file a bug report if i have found that nvidia-settings is missing dependencies after a clean install from the 8.10 cd?
[12:18] <apachelogger> stephan: what dependency is missing?
[12:19] <stephan> pkg-config
[12:20] <stephan> but still that's not all...
[12:20] <apachelogger> Oo
[12:20] <apachelogger> stephan: are you sure about that?
[12:20] <apachelogger> pkg-config is a development tool which shouldn't be required at runtime at all
[12:20] <stephan> first it looked like this if i wanted to save my xorg config
[12:21] <stephan> sudo nvidia-settings
[12:21] <stephan> sh: pkg-config: not found
[12:21] <stephan> Segmentation fault
[12:21] <apachelogger> Oo
[12:21] <apachelogger> anywho
[12:21] <stephan> then i installed pkg-config and what i get is:
[12:21] <apachelogger> stephan: file a bug report, but make sure you report against the correct package :)
[12:21] <stephan> Segmentation fault
[12:22] <stephan> can you tell me where? i used gentoo for the last 5 years and so i am new to kubuntu
[12:22] <apachelogger> stephan: dpkg -S usr/bin/nvidia-settings
[12:23] <apachelogger> that should spit out the package it comes from
[12:23] <stephan> no i meant: where is the kubuntu bug tracker ;)
[12:23] <PeperJohnny> launchpad.net
[12:25] <stephan> PeperJohnny: thx
[12:25] <PeperJohnny> youre welcome
[12:30] <vinci_> i have a problem in okular
[12:31] <vinci_> when i use the presentation, i can't move the window
[12:31] <vinci_> it will just show on my top left screen
[12:32] <vinci_> i can't fullscreen it neither
[12:32] <vinci_> http://picasaweb.google.com.tw/lh/photo/CUBPyQXHHwuGMHhLkWqVRQ
[12:32] <vinci_> here is the picture
[12:34] <apachelogger> vinci_: you aren't using compiz, are you?
[12:34] <vinci_> no
[12:34] <vinci_> i don't
[12:35] <apachelogger> vinci_: please try: alt+f3 -> advanced -> fullscreen
[12:36] <vinci_> apachelogger: it show's gray and checked
[12:36] <vinci_> apachelogger: but i still can't fullscreen
[12:36] <apachelogger> hm
[12:37] <apachelogger> vinci_: did you change your resolution in systemsettings?
[12:37] <vinci_> apachelogger: is it my nvidia driver's problem?
[12:37] <vinci_> no
[12:37] <apachelogger> well, it could be partly a problem
[12:37] <apachelogger> I recall that there are problems with the login screen when changing the resolution before
[12:38] <apachelogger> it looks pretty much like your screenshot
[12:38] <apachelogger> vinci_: report a bug against kdegraphics
[12:38] <vinci_> apachelogger: how to report?
[12:39] <Dragonath> vinci_: launchpad.net I think
[12:39] <apachelogger> vinci_: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/+filebug
[12:39] <AndrewMohawk> is vim installed by default on kubuntu?
[12:40] <apachelogger> AndrewMohawk: a very basic version
[12:40] <AndrewMohawk> apachelogger: you mean vi?
[12:40] <apachelogger> I mean vim.tiny ;-)
[12:41] <faileas> vim seems to work on mine ;p
[12:41] <apachelogger> !info vim-tiny
[12:44] <Babuto> i have a problem with my internet connection on the pc on which i've tried to upgrade to 8.10. i can ping but i can't browse
[12:45] <vinci_> apachelogger: thank you! i've done reported.
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[12:46] <Under_Wraps> hello
[12:46]  * BluesKaj waits for someone who has successfully edited xorg.conf using the ATI fglrx driver on 8.10 :P
[12:48] <Under_Wraps> how can I share files between Gutsy, Intrepid and Windows 2000? Currently Gutsy has the files.
[12:48] <Machtin> host an ftp :>
[12:48] <favro> !samba
[12:49] <BluesKaj> partitions or seperate pcs ?
[12:49] <Under_Wraps> separate PCs on a LAN
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Under_Wraps: ?
[12:50] <vinci_> apachelogger: well... when i open a presentation and switch to another resolution, it will be fullscreen!
[12:51] <apachelogger> vinci_: mention that in the bug report
[12:51] <apachelogger> definitely a very weird issue
[12:51] <vinci_> ok
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Under_Wraps:  actually just install samba , then share the files you want on each pc ...I use konqueror to browse with samba (smb:// , in the address ).
[12:55] <mwilson_> talkin'bout 8.10?
[12:56] <mmo|> Can anyone help me with this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=965749 (TV-out problems in 8.10 with Nvidia)
[12:56] <Under_Wraps> Thanks. I already move files from Gutsy to Windows PC using Konqueror and a bookmark, its properties are smb://admin... which means I'm already using Samba. Excellent, I'll now check the links from favro and read Google
[12:56] <Under_Wraps> again thanks for the info
[12:57] <mwilson_> what's the deal with all the menu bar items moving around?
[12:57] <mwilson_> in 8.10 that is.
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Under_Wraps: then you should have no problem with intrepid on that network ..easy networking is one good thing about it.
[12:58] <Under_Wraps> that's even better news
[12:58] <mwilson_> running synaptic, but how do I get all the compiz options working in 8.10
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Under_Wraps: however you may encounter probs on apps with 3D or DRI if you run nvidia or ati graphics ...I'm on ati and google earth crashes on launch
[13:05] <glade88> I am having a strange bug with Kubuntu Intrepid. Can someone reproduce this? Essentially on a laptop with brightness control via keyboard and you need FF 3.0.x. Anyone?
[13:06] <mwilson_> on my laptop...
[13:06] <mwilson_> what do you need me to try glade88?
[13:07] <glade88> mwilson_: thanks. please launch FF 3.0.x and open some heavy website that takes time to load. now as the website loads, reduce screen brightness using Fn keys and see if the navigation stops.
[13:07] <mwilson_> glade88: installing firefox now...   I just put intrepid in..   having a few issues myself.
[13:07] <glade88> mwilson_: please note, _reduce_ brightness
[13:08] <glade88> mwilson_: ok :)
[13:08] <XenThraL> updated to intrepid and now I cant seem to install nvidia binary driver
[13:09] <mwilson_> glade88: what web site did you use?
[13:09] <glade88> mwilson_: I have a slow connection.. so I could see it on ubuntuforums.org
[13:12] <mwilson_> glade88: You are right, there's a bug there.  It only happens when dimming the display, not when you brighten things up
[13:13] <glade88> mwilson_: thanks for confirming. can you please tell me which ubuntu flavor and version are you using?
[13:13] <XenThraL>  /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx-177_177.80-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[13:13] <XenThraL> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[13:13] <XenThraL> :(
[13:14] <mwilson_> kubunto 8.10
[13:14] <glade88> mwilson_: thanks .. :)
[13:14] <mwilson_> glade88:  8.10 kubuntu.  Can you tell me why my "start" menu icon is moving around the bar?  and it's menu tabs have changed order?
[13:15] <glade88> mwilson_: guess you should be able to rearrange them and lock them. click on the plasma icon towards the extreme right side of the panel and rearrange the widgets as you please
[13:15] <mwilson_> glade88: hell, even the deskop plasmoid window has nothing in it after install, but it worked during live mode.
[13:15] <glade88> mwilson_: maybe your /home/username/Desktop is empty?
[13:15] <Babuto> i have a problem with my internet connection on the pc on which i've tried to upgrade to 8.10. i can ping but i can't browse
[13:15] <mwilson_> Oh, THAT's how you move them, lol.
[13:16] <glade88> mwilson_: :)
[13:16] <mwilson_> ya, the desktop is empty, but why?  lol.  the live had things in it..  eh eh
[13:16] <bYp> hi have smbdy experience with large LCD connected via VGA? I have problem with aspect ratio
[13:16] <glade88> mwilson_: you may also lock them by clicking the plasma icon on top right side of screen and selecting "lock widgets"
[13:16] <mwilson_> just find things odd and hard to find/do on this one.  My sabayon system is a bit more up front and accessible.
[13:17] <mwilson_> glade88: been able to get compiz working?
[13:17] <glade88> mwilson_: yes.. what error do you get?
[13:18] <bYp> no one have big LCD conn via VGA?
[13:18] <Kransac> bonjour à tous
[13:19] <b2oba57izi> bonjour
[13:19] <mwilson_> glade88: no error, just not finding anything under synaptic, or anything, to get things going.
[13:19] <b2oba57izi> je viens d installer ubuntu et j ai un probleme
[13:19] <glade88> mwilson_: so you don't have compiz package enlisted? you have your repos enabled?
[13:19] <Kransac> J'ai un petit problème avec mon imprimante et Okular. Les paramètres avancés (noir et blanc...) ne sont pas disponibles à travers l'outils d'impression Okular alors qu'ils le sont a partir d'Open Office et Kate
[13:20] <mwilson_> I'll probably just go to one of the user things and use apt-get to do it...   but
[13:20] <glade88> mwilson_: adept->sources->edit sources and make sure you have all software sources enabled
[13:20] <Kransac> oupps Sorry
[13:20] <Under_Wraps> XenThraL: have you tried using Envy to install the Nvidia drivers?
[13:20] <XenThraL> yeah
[13:20] <XenThraL> same thing
[13:20] <b2oba57izi> j ai telecharger un style pour le lecteur armarok et je trouve pas le fichier,quand on telecharge sur internet il vont ou les fichier telecharger ?
[13:20] <bYp> hi have smbdy experience with large LCD connected via VGA? I have problem with aspect ratio
[13:20] <Babuto> i have a problem with my internet connection on the pc on which i've tried to upgrade to 8.10. i can ping but i can't browse
[13:21] <Kransac> b2oba57izi: I did the same mistake, it's english speaking here
[13:21] <b2oba57izi> ok sorry
[13:21] <Under_Wraps> XenThraL: the second post here might help http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3098672.0
[13:21] <mwilson_> I turned on all the options from the menu in synaptic
[13:22] <Kransac> I have a problem with Okular and my printer. I don't can't access from okular to the advances settings of my printer (Black an white...) while I can from Kate or Open Office
[13:22] <glade88> mwilson_: did you reload the cache? apt-get update
[13:22] <Under_Wraps> Babuto: do any web pages appear?
[13:23] <mwilson_> yup, they are all checked
[13:23] <bentob0x> would there be any reason why you should get an update on the xserver-xorg-video-intel package where you don't use an intel chipset for the video card?
[13:23] <BluesKaj> !fr | b2oba57izi
[13:23] <bYp> hi have smbdy experience with large LCD connected via VGA? I have problem with aspect ratio
[13:23] <Babuto> Under_Wraps my xserver doesn't work so i can't try. But i can't browse with lynx
[13:24] <glade88> mwilson_: strange? what does executing "compiz" say?
[13:24] <Under_Wraps> Babuto: I have to add my ISP's DNS manually, otherwise I have a 60+ second delay
[13:25] <Babuto`> Under_Wraps it's not just the problem of lynx (lynx was working before i try to upgrade). i can't either sudo apt-get update
[13:25] <mwilson_> glade88: says xgl not present and no whitelisted driver found.
[13:25] <Babuto`> it sticks on "waiting for headers"
[13:26] <Under_Wraps> Babuto: sudo kate /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf   and add your DNS to 'prepend domain-name-servers'  you may have a completely different problem ;)
[13:26] <glade88> mwilson_: hm.. graphics card?
[13:26] <pastorwhipple> hi, is there any way to install amarok 2.0 from the repos
[13:26] <mwilson_> nvidia quadro
[13:26] <Under_Wraps> Babuto`: is the network cable plugged in :)
[13:26] <Babuto`> yes it is, since the ping is working
[13:27] <faileas> pastorwhipple: IIRC there's a repo called nightly neon which has it.
[13:27] <bYp> Babuto`: have you checkek iptables?
[13:27] <faileas> pastorwhipple: http://amarok.kde.org/en/node/482
[13:27] <Babuto`> no, how can i do that ?
[13:28] <bYp> iptables -L
[13:28] <pastorwhipple> i added that repo but didn't install yet didn't know if it was safe to use it - it wanted to d/l 155 megs for the install
[13:28] <bYp> maybe this upgrade changed your firewall or something
[13:28] <mwilson_> glade88: brb, rebooting.  thinks I'm running something and keeping the update system locked... piece o crap
[13:28] <glade88> mwilson_: ok
[13:29] <Babuto`> bYp all is set to (policy ACCEPT) on iptables
[13:29] <bYp> somebody with experience Xorg.conf and aspect ratio?
[13:30] <bYp> Babuto`:  hmm ping on DNS is working?
[13:31] <Babuto`> yes i can ping 192.168.1.1 (which is my router), i can also ping the windows computer on which i'm chatting with you ; and i can also ping google, etc.
[13:32] <Under_Wraps> Babuto`: can you browse to an IP number, eg 212.58.224.138 is bbc.co.uk
[13:32] <Babuto`> i'll try with lynx (because my xserver is broken)
[13:32] <Babuto`> HTTP request sent ; waiting for response
[13:33] <Babuto`> it isn't working
[13:33] <Under_Wraps> 212.58.224.138 gives me a simple text page at the BBC
[13:33] <bYp> Babuto`: try telnet 212.58.224.138 80
[13:33] <Babuto`> Connected to 212.58.224.138 (telnet)
[13:34] <liam_> any idea were i can get an audio ripping tool for kde 4.1
[13:34] <Babuto`> telnet works, lynx doesn't, ssh neither
[13:34] <bYp> Babuto`: hmm so netwok is ok... something wrong with browser....
[13:35] <faileas> liam_: to what format?
[13:35] <Babuto`> bYp the network is not ok
[13:35] <Babuto`> because apt-get update is no working
[13:35] <Babuto`> and ssh neither
[13:35] <Babuto`> but the network is going fine on the other computers of the LAN (such as this one)
[13:35] <Babuto`> it's just a problem coming from kubuntu
[13:36] <Leander> Babuto, can you see www.google.com? sometimes their website works even though nothing else does (some complicated setting i'd rather not elaborate about)
[13:36] <faileas> hmm
[13:36] <faileas> soundkonverter - audio converter frontend for KDE looks like a possibility
[13:37] <Babuto`> Leander i can't start xserver
[13:37] <Babuto`> but i can connect on google with telnet or ping
[13:37] <Babuto`> but not with lynx
[13:37] <bYp> Babuto`: upgrade sux:)
[13:37] <Babuto`> yes i can see that .. :(
[13:38] <liam_> no i mean i want to take audio from my cds will tht do it?
[13:38] <Babuto`> any other idea ?
[13:39] <bYp> Babuto`: i don't what may be wrong but try to wake up X maybe you found something wrong with net i really don't know
[13:39] <Under_Wraps> maybe it needs a Windows fix - restart the PC
[13:39] <faileas> liam_: i don't have any audio cds on hand to test. k3b seems to have a ripping function but donno to what format
[13:39] <Babuto`> Under_Wraps i've already tried this fix
[13:40] <faileas> !rop
[13:40] <faileas> !rip
[13:40] <bYp> Nobody have experience with Xserv, large LCD via VGA cable?
[13:40] <Babuto`> bYp how can i install X without internet working ?
[13:40] <liam_> i will give it a try
[13:41] <bYp> Babuto`: I think you already have X installed....
[13:42] <faileas> someone needs to update that for kde4
[13:42] <liam_> k3b works fine thanks for the help faileas
[13:45] <faileas> liam_: neat. to mp3?
[13:45] <GillesM> hello I have installed kubuntu 8.10 but preserved my /home/user directory ... I have wrong icons on plasmoid (suppress, rotate etc ..)  idea ?
[13:45] <liam_> no but its ok
[13:45] <edgy> Hi, in kmail when I reply to a message, the composer is blank!! this used to work properly before
[13:45] <bYp> !q
[13:47] <liam_> is ti possible to map the windows key so that it brings up the start menu
[13:47] <pyRunner> After a little research I seem to have some problems with my wlan driver after 8.10 install
[13:47] <bazhang> liam_, perhaps, but that is used for a lot of compiz stuff, so you may wish to choose another
[13:48] <pyRunner> When I load my iwl3945 module, I get an error in my dmesg that goes like this....probe of 0000:0c:00.0 failed with error -5
[13:49] <pyRunner> and I have no eth1 or eth2
[13:50] <vadim> hi2all
[13:53] <napfi> hi there! i've got a strange problem with language support in kde: i'm using hardy with updates from 3-4 days ago. i've set up the kde languages as follows:
[13:53] <napfi> 1. German
[13:53] <napfi> 2. Czech
[13:53] <napfi> 3. English (UK)
[13:53] <napfi> Now the date shows something like "Samstag, 1. listopad 2008" - which is German style with the Czech name for November. Usually this happens if the language packages is incomplete. However, I can't imagin that there is now translation for November available, because it's the same word. Any ideas?
[13:57] <mmo|> Can anyone help me with this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=965749 (TV-out problems in 8.10 with Nvidia)
[13:58] <SinII_> apachelogger: Hi again, I'm back. I did re-instell the Oxygen icon them and relogin, but this didn't fix it. I also faund out that most of the icon sets have the same icons missing, except the Ubuntu(!) Human theme
[13:59] <apachelogger> SinII_: define most icon sets
[14:00] <mmo|> I also have a problem that the keyboard shortcuts I define (in 8.10) don't work. Anyone know something about that?
[14:00] <roadie> how can i install flash on konqueror
[14:01] <PeperJohnny> roadie: currently not working . but you can install flash by "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
[14:01] <SinII_> apachelogger: All apt installs per kde-icons-.*: crystal, crystalclear, crystalproject, gorilla, kneu, gorilla, mono, noia, nuovext, nuvola and oxygen
[14:01] <roadie> but thats for firefox
[14:01] <apachelogger> SinII_: that is most distrubing, in fact most of these icon sets should be _not_ working properly
[14:02] <PeperJohnny> roadie: thats for flash on the whole system
[14:03] <Plussoie> salut
[14:04] <dolf> What IRC client do you guys advise to use with kubuntu?
[14:04] <SinII_> apachelogger: k, what's annoying is that even oxygen won't work. Interessting is, as seen on the screenshot, that not all icons are missing
[14:04] <Plussoie> quit
[14:05] <apachelogger> hum
[14:05] <PeperJohnny> dolf: konversation is nice though its not kde4 yet :/
[14:05] <zhangtong> Hi!
[14:05] <dolf> PeperJohnny: yeah, I noticed, neither is xchat it seems
[14:05] <PeperJohnny> dolf: isnt xchat a gtk app?
[14:05] <apachelogger> SinII_: please paste the output of ls -R ~/.icons && ls -r .local/share/icons/
[14:06] <apachelogger> SinII_: and ls -R ~/.kde/share/icons
[14:06] <dolf> I dunno, but I can't set transparent backgrounds in xchat @ PeperJohnny
[14:06] <PeperJohnny> dolf: theres also Quassel it is qt4 and integrates at least into kde with color schemes =)
[14:06] <dolf> tnx, gonna look at that
[14:07] <roadie> PeperJohnny: doesnt work i cant see nothing on you tube
[14:07] <PeperJohnny> roadie: yes because its broken in konqueror at the moment
[14:07] <roadie> aaaaaaaaaa
[14:07] <apachelogger> works here
[14:08] <PeperJohnny> apachelogger: you are a lucky one
[14:08] <apachelogger> love your system and your system will love you :P
[14:09] <PeperJohnny> good advice i will consider it =P
[14:09] <Kano> hi, is it normal that before menus open you see screen corruption at this place?
[14:09] <faileas> PeperJohnny: in what way is it distributed? o0
[14:10] <faileas> PeperJohnny: never mind. it seems shiny ;p
[14:10] <PeperJohnny> faileas:bug 281808
[14:11] <faileas> o0
[14:11] <PeperJohnny> it loads for a sec and is then its gone
[14:11] <PeperJohnny> very weird
[14:11] <PeperJohnny> Kano: yes
[14:11] <faileas> PeperJohnny: darn it. now i'll need to set up the server on an always on box ;p
[14:11] <Kano> PeperJohnny: that looks really bad
[14:12] <PeperJohnny> Kano: other distros have it too so its maybe something kde related :/
[14:12] <SinII_> apachelogger: Finally ... http://pastebin.com/m6ad9533
[14:12] <SinII_> apachelogger: Argh, moment please
[14:13] <Kano> also pressing alt-f2 twice looks bad, i really dont get why only kde4 is in 8.10...
[14:13] <apachelogger> SinII_: mv ~/.kde/share/icons/oxygen ~/
[14:13] <apachelogger> re-login
[14:13] <apachelogger> everything should be fine
[14:13] <PeperJohnny> Kano: but its doing it just the first time imho. second time it doesnt have this glitch anymore
[14:14] <Kano> PeperJohnny: and the alt-f2 fault? also when you want to add mini apps you can not move the selection menu correctly
[14:14] <SinII_> apachelogger: k, trying
[14:14] <gourgi> upgrading from Kubuntu 8.04 (KDE3) to 8.10 will result in getting KDE4 , right ?
[14:15] <PeperJohnny> Kano: hmm i do not notice anything that could be wrong with altf2.
[14:15] <Kano> press it twice
[14:15] <canibal> hi everybody
[14:15] <canibal> anyone use skype?
[14:15] <Kano> knetworkmanager is not in systray on x kill
[14:15] <Kano> and other things, did nobody notice that?
[14:16] <Kano> i really think  only gnome gets debugged
[14:17] <faileas> gourgi: yes
[14:18] <SinII_> apachelogger: k, that did fix it! Thank you so much
[14:18] <apachelogger> SinII_: you're very welcome
[14:18] <gourgi> faileas:ty
[14:24] <l3d> out of desklets or screenlet which one is better on the resources
[14:27] <blip99> hi all, i just hooked up my HP printer on KDE4 after installing a bunch of HP related packages.... i don't see any menu to install the printer.  any ideas of a gui that will let me do this ?   Thanks
[14:27] <blip99> kubuntu 8.10
[14:30] <matteo> hi all
[14:30] <matteo> i have a lightscribe burner
[14:30] <matteo> is there a pretty kubuntu 8.10 cdcover?
[14:30] <ari_stress> hi hi :)
[14:30] <ari_stress> waw you've tried 8.10?
[14:30] <ari_stress> how is it?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> well , Google Earth has caught signal 11 so i guess Im stuck ...tried the fix,  "sudo wget http://librarian.launchpad.net/7037027/libGL.so.1 -O libGL.so.1", but no luck there either ...this OS isn't ready for prime time .
[14:31] <PeperJohnny> matteo: only for ubuntu yet as far as i know
[14:31] <matteo> i use intrepid singe august
[14:31] <ari_stress> BluesKaj: kubuntu 8.10?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> yup
[14:31] <matteo> PeperJohnny: it's good too, lightscribe is black/white
[14:31] <matteo> kubuntu 8.10
[14:32] <ari_stress> BluesKaj: did it work in 8.04?
[14:32] <BluesKaj> yup
[14:32] <linux_> всем привет
[14:32] <ari_stress> BluesKaj: i guess if you want stability better stick at 8.04. it's the LTS
[14:33] <genii> !ru | linux_
[14:33] <ari_stress> genii: waw is that russian? i always admire them
[14:34] <BluesKaj> ari_stress:  yeah, but GE reportedly working fine on fglrx/ati on the RC
[14:36] <ubuntu_> ciao
[14:37] <ccoffey> I'm in russia at the minute, and I don't know, can't read russian, so ordering food is hard
[14:37] <faileas> in soviet russia food order you!
[14:37] <ccoffey> I bloody wish, had salad for dinner twice now, since I've since learned what salad is :)
[14:38] <blip99> has anyone used a printer with KDE4 ?    Where is the configuration menu ?
[14:38] <blip99> to install and config the HP printer
[14:38] <blip99> on kubuntu 8.10
[14:38] <faileas> ccoffey: google translate or babelfish ;p
[14:38] <blip99> there is nothing in the KDE4 System Settings
[14:39] <ccoffey> faileas: That's what I'm thinking,load my phone up with phrases, and try and get something then
[14:40] <faileas> ccoffey: remember to tranlate "those buns look delicious" ;p
[14:40] <ccoffey> We figured out what beer was quickly enough though
[14:41] <ccoffey> Who have thought being a solaris sys admin would get you stuck in siberia for 2 and half weeks
[14:41] <lokpest> hi, where does kppp store profiles?
[14:41] <PeperJohnny> lokpest: ~/.kde/share/apps probably
[14:45] <lokpest> PeperJohnny: does seem so
[14:46] <lokpest> s/does/doesnt
[14:46] <cumulus007> http://www.3datadesign.com/
[14:46] <cumulus007> sorry, wrong thing
[14:46] <Under_Wraps> blip99: look in K / Application / System / Printing
[14:46] <cumulus007> hello, where can I find a desktop search program like Tracker?
[14:46] <cumulus007> [15:36] <-- MethoS-- heeft deze server verlaten. Remote closed the connection.
[14:46] <cumulus007> hello, where can I find a desktop search program like Tracker?
[14:46] <cumulus007> [15:36] <-- MethoS-- heeft deze server verlaten. Remote closed the connection.
[14:46] <cumulus007> wtf, klipper does weird
[14:48] <ubuntu> m
[14:49] <l3d> out of desklets or screenlet which one is better on the resources ?  I didnt see the answer if there was one.
[14:51] <blip99> Under_Wraps: ok i found that thanks.  Is there a guide that will teach me how to share this printer across the network via CUPS ?   so that i can access it from both win and linux machine... i've done it before in another distro... but i can't find a kubuntu guide.  Thanks
[14:51] <Under_Wraps> blip99: sorry, I can't help with that
[14:51] <blip99> Under_Wraps: or is it enough to just tick "Share published printers connected to this system'
[14:51] <blip99> Under_Wraps: ok np.  thanks for the help
[15:00] <xomp> hello, how would I update to ibex from kubuntu? I'm unable to find it as easily as doing it in Gnome :(
[15:00] <ubuntu_> i've a problem with the installer of 8.10: when i'm at the partitioning part, and i choose manual i only see /dev/sda as partition while there are: 1 NTFS partition with windows, 1 fat32 with data, 1 swap, 1 / and 1 /boot
[15:01] <ubuntu_> if i just normally start my laptop, all stuff jsut works fine. A remark: i think the problem is caused by trying to fix grub after my latest windows install (i ad the same problem then, but i managed to reinstall grub)
[15:03] <Tamagotono> Plasma crashes when I have plasmoids that access the internet (ie flicker or weather plasmoids) but they cannot access the sites.  This happens at my workplace where I have to agree to usage conditions before I can acces the internet.
[15:03] <Tamagotono> anyone else have this problem?
[15:05] <ccoffey> is there an easy way to check if sound os coming into my mic, any volume indicator or anything (8.10)
[15:08] <mwilson_> hey, installing compiz..   says no XGL
[15:08] <mwilson_> and no whitepaper driver.. or something like that.
[15:09] <xomp> hello, how would I update to ibex from kubuntu? I'm unable to find it as easily as doing it in Gnome :(
[15:10] <jonathan_> hi
[15:11] <ubuntu_> to be more precise: in the column "device" i see /dev/sda, instead of all the partitions below it, it's empty
[15:13] <sorush20> hi all any good how to resolve error 22 for grub
[15:13] <sorush20> I would liket o learn manually
[15:13] <mwilson_> mwilson_!
[15:26] <Zet> hello, good people
[15:26] <ceafu> hey everyone. I am trying out Kontact and importing some calendars. After importing Kontact refers to the imported file location, as opposed to bringing data into Kontact. Any idea how to actually import the calendar instead of referencing it?
[15:26] <Zet> I just upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10, and I have some complaints
[15:27] <Zet> first of all the grub upgrade failed. it forgot to include a line for the initrd image in the grub configuration, so the system was unbootable after upgrade
[15:27] <Zet> but I fixed that
[15:28] <Zet> then the network (regular wired dhcp-configured ethernet, forcedeth as the driver) failed to come up
[15:28] <Zet> I had to ifup eth0 myself
[15:28] <Zet> and now it looks like I cannot produce the pipe character on my keyboard, Finnish layout
[15:29] <Zet> no wait, I can, but not in Konsole
[15:35] <Zet> yeah, apparently in graphical KDE programs I get a regular pipe character when I press altgr + the key left of z
[15:35] <Zet> but in xterm I get ü
[15:35] <Zet> and in konsole I get nothing
[15:36] <jklz> hi there how is it going?
[15:36] <mwilson_> glade88: you there?
[15:40] <sorush20> i'm not sure where I" might have backup my grub list
[15:41] <sorush20> does it usually choose a place for me?
[15:41] <Babu> how can i upgrade to 8.10 offline ?
[15:43] <sorush20> if I reinstall kubuntu will grub detect my windows partions?
[15:43] <faileas> Babu: iirc the alternate install disk lets you do that... but i'm not sure
[15:43] <faileas> sorush20: yes
[15:43] <Guest53469> babu dowwnload the alternate cd .iso from ubuntu image site
[15:43] <sorush20> I haven't got time to learn to do grub edit etd
[15:43] <sorush20> so just a reinstall will be good
[15:47] <sorush20> Hi one of my hdds isn't being detected
[15:47] <sorush20> how to do i restart udev?
[15:52] <maxbaldwin> sorush20: maybe run 'sudo /etc/init.d/udev reboot'
[15:52] <maxbaldwin> I think
[15:52] <maxbaldwin> not 100% on tha
[15:52] <maxbaldwin> t
[15:53] <yakuzi> after i reinstalled windows i had to reinstall grub, result of all my trying is that now, my dual boot works again bu: when i want to install 8.10 (or any other version) in the partitioning tool i see /dev/sda instead of all my partitions (1 NTFS windows partition, 1 FAT32 data, 1 swap, 1 / and 1 /boot) how can i fix this?
[15:53] <yakuzi> *but
[15:54] <jens_> hey all... sorry, i'm completely new to kubuntu, and i've tried to figure out how to change this stupid black default color of the task row at the bottom of the screen... it's always black (where all the icons are in)... how can i change the colors/theme? when i change the theme in the control panel everything changes, but not this black icon row
[15:54] <l3d> http://www.survivetheoutbreak.com/     zombie survival kinda sweet
[15:54] <Eruaran> jens_: right click on the desktop
[15:54] <maxbaldwin> l3d: No spam, foo.
[15:55] <l3d> sorry
[15:55] <maxbaldwin> !offtopic | l3d
[15:55] <jens_> Eruaran: and then? sorry i tried for 15 minutes now, must be quite easy, but how exacly can i change the look of the black task row?
[15:56] <l3d> yeah i saw that the first time you said no spam
[15:56] <maxbaldwin> you should go to #kubuntu-offtopic, #defocus, or #ubuntu-offtopic for that. Just saying.
[15:57] <van> hell guys how can i mount a new disk i just plug a new sata disk
[15:57] <van> someoen could help me out
[15:58] <Eruaran> jens_: sorry was on phone
[15:58] <Eruaran> jens_: right click on the desktop and choose Desktop Settings
[15:59] <Eruaran> jens_: look down the bottom area of the dialogue, you can change Plasma themes there
[16:00] <van> hell guys how can i mount a new disk i just plug a new sata disk. someone could help me
[16:02] <yakuzi> anyone has an idea how to fix my problem?
[16:03] <jens_> Eruaran: thanks... ahh all these plasma themes are awful! all are black/dark, with all it's really hard to see the borders of each task icon
[16:03] <gillesm> hi ... on 8.10 on KDE4 I have strange icons on Plasmoid .. ideea ?
[16:04] <yakuzi> gillesm: did you upgrade from 8.04?
[16:04] <wardlooockx> hey anybody here that can help me change from fglrx drivers to the opensource ati drivers ? a bit stuck :(
[16:04] <gillesm> yakuzi:  I install new release
[16:04] <maxbaldwin> yakuzi: you miiight have a better chance at getting that answered in #ubuntu
[16:04] <gillesm> but preserve /hom
[16:04] <Eruaran> jens_: you can download more themes from kde-look.org
[16:04] <gillesm> yakuzi:  and deleted all ~/.files
[16:05] <Eruaran> jens_: some of the themes also change according to your colour settings, I think Aya does that
[16:05] <maxbaldwin> you preserved home? tsk tsk tsk. Well it's probably something kooky between ~/.kde3.5 and ~/.kde4
[16:05] <beta-guy> how do I load the KDE theme manager?
[16:05] <yakuzi> well gillesm it could be a problem on the kubuntu main page,take a look at kubuntu.org
[16:06] <Guest83006> van
[16:06] <maxbaldwin> beta-guy: from command line? 'sudo startx'
[16:06] <gillesm> maxbaldwin: I deleted . files
[16:06] <Guest83006> van? what exactly is the problem. is it that the sata is not being mounted automatically or you have not tried it
[16:07] <maxbaldwin> gillesm: your running kde4 on kubuntu 8.10 and you don't have a ~/.kde4
[16:07] <maxbaldwin> that's not good
[16:08] <Captain_Haddock> maxbaldwin: I'm running the same and I don't have .kde4
[16:08] <Captain_Haddock> just .kde
[16:08] <jens_> is there a fast "quick link" icon to get to the desktop? with windows i could click right to the start button to get to the desktop (minimize all windows at once)
[16:09] <Captain_Haddock> jens_: you can add the "show desktop" widget
[16:09] <Captain_Haddock> right click on the task bar and select add widget
[16:10] <maxbaldwin> ok, so I guess I don't know what I'm talking about, because I only have .kde also
[16:11] <Captain_Haddock> the .kde4 is for the remix installations I reckons
[16:11] <Eruaran> jens_: you mean a "show desktop" icon ?
[16:12] <maxbaldwin> but your supposed to have .kde in there. so. for gillesm, you should probably re-download Kubuntu 8.10. and re-do the whole thing
[16:12] <maxbaldwin> save all the files you want to keep, I don't know about backing up ~/
[16:12] <maxbaldwin> because that's probably the problem is the missing files.
[16:13] <Captain_Haddock> if you don't have a .kde, logging out and logging in should create it automatically
[16:13] <Captain_Haddock> anyways, what happened to knemo?
[16:13] <Eruaran> jens_: if there is not already a "show desktop" icon on the panel you can right click on the panel and select "add widgets", you will find a "show desktop" item in the list the comes up, you can click to add or simply drag and drop onto the panel
[16:13] <frankhou77> Good Morning
[16:13] <gillesm> Ok you need to change the icon to other and put again oxygen style after to have the correct icons
[16:13] <Captain_Haddock> Eruaran: If you look above, I already said the same thing :)
[16:14] <Captain_Haddock> morning frankhou77
[16:14] <Eruaran> Captain_Haddock: ah, so you did :P
[16:14] <jens_> Eruaran: thanks, works
[16:14]  * Captain_Haddock pokes jens_
[16:14] <Captain_Haddock> :P
[16:15] <Captain_Haddock> !knemo
[16:15] <Captain_Haddock> :(
[16:15] <frankhou77> I am testing Kubuntu 8.10 for the first time, I have been using Ubuntu on and off but I am an LPI and RHCE so it is a big difference
[16:15] <jens_> Captain_Haddock: thanks
[16:15] <Eruaran> How is everyone finding Kubuntu 8.10 ? I'm going to install it today when I'm finished backing up stuff
[16:16] <frankhou77> Found it faster to download Kubuntu through Bittorrent
[16:16] <Captain_Haddock> Eruaran: KDE 4.1 isn't really ready yet
[16:17] <frankhou77> Captain Haddock, I have seen that there is still some funky minor issues with KDE 4.1, but a hell of a lot better than KDE 4.0
[16:17] <Eruaran> Captain_Haddock: yes, but should I install kubuntu 8.10 ? ;)
[16:17] <jens_> another question: everytime when i start firefox or other tasks i've to manually maximize the window... is there something like a "start maximized by default" somewhere?
[16:18] <sorush20> I know there is no gaurantee with linux but its not supposed to be release uless its safe
[16:18] <Captain_Haddock> Eruaran: besides KDE issues, it's great.. or rather I'm very happy with the kernel upgrade as I was having device issues which are all gone
[16:19] <blip99> hi,  i installed Kubuntu 8.10... i want to do a download barrage of things that may be useful... but it seems most things are installed already.   anyone know a good couple of hundred megabyte thing i can get from the repos ?   I hate having the machine turned on without doing anything... it's a printserver so i need it on all the time
[16:19] <frankhou77> I have had better luck with gnome for the latest release of Ubuntu
[16:19] <Captain_Haddock> sorush20: it isn't a question of safety IMO. Just too many niggles
[16:19] <frankhou77> I have installed it on my wife's laptop. Not as fancy as KDE 4.1 but stable
[16:20] <Captain_Haddock> blip99: install ktorrent and leech stuff? :)
[16:20] <Captain_Haddock> why the repo?
[16:20] <frankhou77> blip99, wouldn't it be cheaper electricwise to get an independence Printer server/
[16:20] <frankhou77> ?
[16:21] <faileas> blip99: add medibuntu ?
[16:21] <sorush20> I tried to apply a set of patition instruction that I double check and its a good thing I took a screen shot.. but it froze and told me that swap partition could not be created..
[16:21] <sorush20> the partition manager is rubbish compared to the the old text version and also compared to the gnome version
[16:22] <sorush20> gparted is much better..
[16:22] <sorush20> so now I have risked the loss of all my data.
[16:22] <shadowhywind> hay all, I just connected a harddrive, and i am wondering how can i figure out if it is reading as sda/sdb... from the console?
[16:22] <sorush20> How do I copy everything from one partition to another please?
[16:22] <Eruaran> jens_: firefox always starts up maximised for me (though I'm using KDE 3.5 right now)... if its maximised when you shut it down I believe it should start up the same way
[16:22] <sorush20> should I use dd or just copy..
[16:23] <jens_> Eruaran: unfortunately it doesn't...
[16:23] <sorush20> is there a testdisk package I can download now my partitions are lost
[16:24] <Eruaran> jens_: ok... you using Kubuntu 8.10 right now ?
[16:25] <jens_> Eruaran: yes
[16:25] <Eruaran> jens_: ah ok... I'll let you know when I install it later today :P
[16:25] <faileas> sorush20: i thought testdisk is on the livecd?
[16:25] <sorush20> faileas: no
[16:25] <faileas> sorush20: system rescue cd maybe?
[16:26] <jens_> Eruaran: and another problem with this kubuntu is that i don't get any sound in the xawtv
[16:27] <jens_> Eruaran: ok, sound problem just solved
[16:27] <Eruaran> jens_: exellent :P
[16:27] <blip99> frankhou77: ye i guess so,  i may end up just turning it on an off whenever i need to print.  i can probably live with the 3 minute lag until it boots up and shares the printer.
[16:28] <blip99> Captain_Haddock: ah good idea :)  here we go
[16:28] <Captain_Haddock> jens_: look for window behaviour in system settings
[16:29] <Captain_Haddock> you can also do it on a per application basis by right-clicking the title bar
[16:29] <Captain_Haddock> and sleecting advanced
[16:29] <Captain_Haddock> sele*
[16:37] <oomph> my install drops me into a busybox prompt
[16:37] <oomph> anyone know what causes this?
[16:38] <maxbaldwin> nope.
[16:38] <maxbaldwin> installing what?
[16:38] <tboxmy> anyone knows y I cant get my wireless connection even though it says signal strength >90%?
[16:38] <tboxmy> Its lenovo and intel3945
[16:38] <Captain_Haddock> are you connected?
[16:39] <oomph> maxbaldwin,hardy
[16:39] <oomph> kbuntu
[16:39] <oomph> booting off CD going to install it
[16:39] <oomph> after selecting the language
[16:39] <tboxmy> haddock: u talkin to me?
[16:39] <oomph> while KDE tried to launch
[16:39] <chrisruls00> Anyone else having trouble with NVidia drivers? None of the packages work, and if I try to install manually It says it can not build it for my kernal. This only started happening with 8.10
[16:40] <mexus> It work here
[16:40] <mexus> but no wallpaper on second monitor :(
[16:40] <chrisruls00> I use the 96 series
[16:40] <mexus> just black screen ......
[16:40] <Captain_Haddock> tboxmy: yep
[16:40] <Captain_Haddock> nvidia works fine here too
[16:40] <mexus> i have nvidia fx5200
[16:41] <Captain_Haddock> mine's an onboard thinggymebob
[16:41] <mexus> and the driver is nvidia-glx-173
[16:41] <tboxmy> haddock: check with ifconfig its showing a wlan but no ip, iwconfig nothing too
[16:41] <tboxmy> iwevent also nothing
[16:41] <mexus> works great except the missing wallpaper
[16:42] <mexus> is there a way to start plasma on the second screen
[16:42] <maxbaldwin> oomph: I'm going to go with faulty CD, you need to burn a new one.
[16:42] <tboxmy> but when kubuntu adds the wlan0 connection I see a >90% signal
[16:43] <Captain_Haddock> tboxmy: in the system tray?
[16:43] <oomph> checked the cd for defects
[16:43] <oomph> booted fine on other pc
[16:43] <chrisruls00> well I can't seem to install them at all on mine. If I install them via the packages I get some sort of error at startup talking about failing to add it to so type of DMFX tree? (or something like that, it started with D)
[16:43] <oomph> other cds boot from that drive too
[16:44]  * Captain_Haddock only uses the alternate CD; so I wouldn't know.
[16:44] <Captain_Haddock> bbiab
[16:45] <tboxmy> haddock: yes as in the 8.10
[16:47] <noobstyle> Hey
[16:48] <noobstyle> Can anyone tell me how i install Java Sun 6.0 or so for Kubuntu?
[16:48] <bazhang> !java
[16:49] <noobstyle> !Dapper
[16:49] <Roey> hi
[16:49] <Roey> why do I get an error when I try mpg123:  http://pastebin.com/m6401f287
[16:50] <noobstyle> But i still cant use java in firefox
[16:50] <tboxmy> guys any idea intel 3945 wireless not connecting? the lenovo wireless works on 7.10
[16:53] <larsivi> hi - I am upgrading from hardy to ibex, but it doesn't start as /var seems to be a read only file system
[16:56] <larsivi> sorry, actually everything seems to be mounted read only
[16:56] <kotelo> help, gtk-qt-engine doesnt works
[16:56] <kotelo> :'(
[16:57] <jorginno> hola
[16:58] <jorginno> are you there?
[16:58] <kotelo> jorginno: #kubuntu-es
[16:58] <kotelo> :3
[16:58] <jorginno> is anybody here?
[16:58] <SlimeyPete> no!
[16:58] <jorginno> jejeje
[16:58] <jorginno> ok, i'm leaving
[16:58] <jorginno> byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[16:59] <Babu> http://pastebin.com/m2791bde6 i have unmet dependencies when i try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:00] <kotelo> someone know what is wrong with gtk-qt-engine?
[17:00] <kotelo> it doesn work :S
[17:00] <larsivi> can someone tell me why my harddrive is mounted read only? :)
[17:01] <tboxmy> in kubuntu 8.10 how do i check the network card drivers?
[17:02] <anewbie> hii duudes some one of you use yakuake
[17:02] <anewbie> and know how to stop it ?
[17:02] <kotelo> use konsole
[17:02] <kotelo> like a stallion
[17:02] <kotelo> xD
[17:03] <anewbie> damn i have a problem with virtual box
[17:03] <anewbie> the key for boot menu there is f12
[17:03] <anewbie> but when i press it this damn yakuake
[17:03] <anewbie> ..
[17:03] <anewbie> GRRR
[17:03] <larsivi> how can I find out why the drive failed to be mounted? can I retry somehow?
[17:03] <anewbie> sorry for caps
[17:04] <rohan> does kubuntu intrepid live include a liveusb creator, similar to ubuntu?
[17:04] <anewbie> larsivi: pastebin >>> fstab
[17:04] <anewbie> if you have vista on that drive
[17:04] <anewbie> :)
[17:04] <anewbie> think about it
[17:05] <XenThraL> when I try to turn on twinview I get a message saying kwin crashed and it turns the second monitor off
[17:05] <sorush20> hi
[17:05] <sorush20> now I need testdisk
[17:05] <sorush20> do I remove the live cd as a repository
[17:05] <sorush20> and also I can't seem to find it
[17:05] <sorush20> !testdisk
[17:05] <anewbie> XenThraL: you want to configure static ip or what ?
[17:05] <larsivi> anewbie: there is nothing wrong with my fstab I think, and it is sorta hard to get anything from that computer onto a pastebin
[17:05] <XenThraL> static ip?
[17:06] <larsivi> and I certainly doesn
[17:06] <larsivi> doesn't have vista
[17:06] <sorush20> I keep getting the on adep update failed on repositories like security
[17:08] <rohan> does kubuntu intrepid live include a liveusb creator, similar to ubuntu?
[17:09] <sorush20> I can't find test disk in the repositories why?
[17:09] <XenThraL> anyone know how to fix twinview in intrepid?
[17:10] <shadowhywind> can one use gid or uid with an ext3 partition?
[17:10] <sorush20> had anyone here been able to successfully use keep to backup data?
[17:11] <sorush20> someone please help me run keep please
[17:13] <Tamagotono> anewbie: in Yakuake, open it then click the center icon that is in the bottom right corner.  There you can select 'configure shortcuts' and reassign yakuake to use a different key to activate.
[17:14] <OxDeadC0de> why does yakuake not save the "height" parameter in kde? It was in gnome.. but in kde it keeps setting itself back to 60% I think
[17:15] <nolraiWest> I have a sort of strange question, feel free to forward me to somewhere else.
[17:15] <Tamagotono> OxDeadC0de: it's because it doesnt shut down properly when you close kde.  Just change it then click the close button in the bottom right.  Then launch it again and it will keep that setting.
[17:15] <nolraiWest> The haskell.lang file in gtksourceview-1.0/languge-specks is wrong, is there any where i can submit a correted version to so I dont have to recorect it every time I update ubuntu?
[17:16] <rohan> nolraiWest: file a bug report
[17:18] <nolraiWest> Thank!
[17:18] <nolraiWest> s
[17:18] <OxDeadC0de> cool it seems to work, thankss tamagotono
[17:18] <Tamagotono> your welcome.
[17:19] <Nasj> !qt
[17:19] <Nasj> DEPT
[17:21] <gon> somebody knows if there are plans to pass konversation to qt4?
[17:22] <OxDeadC0de> If I'm using compiz as my window manager does plasma automatically use compositing?
[17:28] <sorush20> !backup
[17:30] <sorush20> the mondonmindi information is out of date someone update the bot
[17:37] <sorush20> its seems like the backup abilities of kubuntu are a joke
[17:37] <pepee_> hello
[17:37] <pepee_> i'm having troubles with the live cd of intrepid
[17:38] <Nece228> hey apachelogger
[17:38] <condon> Can someone tell me how to access data from a memory card reader?
[17:38] <pepee_> i'm installing from the hdd, but can't install
[17:38] <pepee_> look at this
[17:38] <Ejdesgaard> hi, how do i reconf X ?
[17:38] <OxDeadC0de> Condon; I put the card into the reader, plug the reader into usb, and go.. my built in reader works fine too
[17:38] <pepee_> www.cec.uchile.cl/~ppollanc/instUbuntu.jpg
[17:39] <Ejdesgaard> i wanna use the onboard gfx instead of a GeForce3, because it's dead now
[17:39] <condon> Nevermind, thanks Ox, made my brain work (I'm used to things popping up asking me what I want to do with it
[17:39] <pepee_> can someone help me, please?
[17:39] <Ejdesgaard> pepee_, don't ask to ask
[17:40] <Ejdesgaard> pepee_, just ask :)
[17:40] <Nasj> !wine
[17:40] <pepee_> i don't know what to do
[17:40] <Nasj> !AppDb
[17:40] <pepee_> simply i can't install
[17:42] <Ejdesgaard> pepee_, be more presice....
[17:42] <pepee_> well, why the installer doesn't recognize my partitions, even if i've got mounted them?
[17:42] <OxDeadC0de> you should not have your partitions mounted durring install pepee_
[17:42] <Ejdesgaard> but isn't there anyone here who can help me / give me a hint?
[17:43] <pepee_> OxDeadC0de: why?
[17:43] <OxDeadC0de> pepee_ because the partition table editor can't edit the tables if any of the partitions are mounted
[17:43] <pepee_> ahh ok
[17:43] <pepee_> but, in that case, how i do install from hdd?
[17:44] <OxDeadC0de> ejdesgaard try looking at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:44] <pepee_> sorry for my english, i'm argentinian...
[17:44] <OxDeadC0de> I don't knwo the method pepee_ sorry :/
[17:44] <Ejdesgaard> OxDeadC0de, isn't there a tool that can edit it for me?
[17:44] <OxDeadC0de> :s/knwo/know
[17:44] <pepee_> mmm ok, thank you
[17:44] <Ejdesgaard> OxDeadC0de, some tool that is better then xorgconfig
[17:44] <OxDeadC0de> ejdesgaard maybe, but it's not that hard to do by hand, that's how I've always done it
[17:45] <superdog> « Un saluto a tutto il canale! »
[17:45] <superdog> !list
[17:45] <Ejdesgaard> OxDeadC0de, fast question then :) what is the intel driver called in *buntu?
[17:45] <pepee_> OxDeadC0de: look at this: http://deepbluespaces.blogspot.com/2008/07/install-ubuntu-804-from-hard-disk.html
[17:45] <OxDeadC0de> ever since slackward 3.5 in july 1998, I was a 15 yr old punk that thought he was a hacker cause he used linux and nobody had heard of it yet :P
[17:46] <marcel> hi, my konqueror was slow so i read that i must deaktivate IPV6. i make an entry in /etc/environment (echo KDE_NO_IPV6=true). what means echo? i some forums they drop echo.. why?
[17:46] <sigp239> How do I make it so that Ubuntu 8.10 automatically mounts my internal NTFS drive?
[17:46] <TimS> I am trying to ssh into my computer, I can do it from my own PC, but I can't do it from another laptop. Both are connected fine, and they can ping each other. I can even ssh into the laptop, but not the other way round
[17:46] <OxDeadC0de> ejdesgaard: mm, I'd guess intel, never set one up manually for an intel though, my comps are always nvidia.. customers are intel and it sets theirs up automatically
[17:46] <OxDeadC0de> sigp239: sudo apt-get ntfs-config ; ntfs-config
[17:47] <Ejdesgaard> OxDeadC0de, just searched in apt for it... there is a intel and a i810... one of them are links of some sort...
[17:49] <Nece228> is there any way that i can make folders bigger in dolphin
[17:49] <marcel> hi, my konqueror was slow so i read that i must deaktivate IPV6. i make an entry in /etc/environment (echo KDE_NO_IPV6=true). what means echo? i some forums they drop echo.. why?
[17:49] <OxDeadC0de> ejdesgaard: I think it's just "driver "intel"" in xorg.conf
[17:50] <sigp239> OxDeadC0de: I don't see ntfs-config
[17:50] <OxDeadC0de> sigp239 sorry, sudo apt-get install ntfs-config ; ntfs-config
[17:51] <pepee_> well, thank you guys
[17:51] <OxDeadC0de> sigp239 it might not be in the ubuntu main repo's, try enabling universe etc
[17:51] <sigp239> 0xDeadC0de: Okay I see it now thanks.
[17:51] <OxDeadC0de> pepee_ sorry I couldn't help more
[17:51] <sigp239> 0xDeadC0de: Is this a safe program?
[17:52] <OxDeadC0de> sigp239 safe? just sets it up to automount when your computer turns on, you may have to set permissions up on the new folders  it creates yourself
[17:53] <sorush20> is easy backup available in kubuntu
[17:53] <Roey> hi... http://pastebin.com/m6401f287 <-- why am I getting this?
[17:53] <Roey> sorush20:  hi!
[17:53] <OxDeadC0de> sigp239, when you load it check the partitions you want to mount (Make sure they're not already mounted", type a  name such as "windows" - it will set it to make the folder /media/windows (can't exist already), then hit okay, and it makes /media/windows and mounts it at boot etc, then you can change the permissions on /etc/windows
[17:53] <Roey> sorush20:  *chatori*
[17:53] <Nece228> is there any way that i can make folders bigger in dolphin
[17:54] <Ejdesgaard> OxDeadC0de, it was just replacing nvidia -> intel :)
[17:54] <sorush20> Roey: merci
[17:54] <OxDeadC0de> ejdesgaard can you set it up dual head and use both? :P
[17:54] <sorush20> Roey: koob hastam
[17:54] <sigp239> 0xDeadC0de: Interesting.  All of this could be done via command line right?
[17:54] <sorush20> Roey: I think we have to talk english otherwise we get told off
[17:54] <OxDeadC0de> sigp239 yeah but i don't know the process
[17:55] <Ejdesgaard> OxDeadC0de, haven't tryed.... it's a m8's comp 1200km away... and i'm not gonna look if it would work:P
[17:55] <Roey> :)
[17:55] <Roey> sorush20:  you're the Sorush on my Facebook yes?
[17:55] <sorush20> Sorush Nazari thats mee
[17:56] <sorush20> and you ?
[17:56] <sorush20> are you roya
[17:56] <Roey> Roey
[17:56] <Roey> on Facebook
[17:56] <Roey> sorush20:  hrm... sorush nazari....
[17:57] <Roey> sorush20:  are you the same Sorush who asked on Facebook about upgrading to Intrepid Ibex?
[17:59] <JohnFlux2> hey all
[17:59] <Roey> Mr. Tapsell :)
[17:59] <Roey> nice to seey ou
[17:59] <Roey> you
[17:59] <JohnFlux2> Dr. Tapsell now :P
[17:59] <JohnFlux2> as of 2 days ago
[18:00] <JohnFlux2> how do I install flash on x86? :)
[18:00] <Roey> JohnFlux2:  whoah
[18:00] <Roey> congratulations!!
[18:00] <Roey> what in?
[18:00] <JohnFlux2> I used to have flash working in 8.04  but don't remember what I did
[18:00] <JohnFlux2> uh i mean  64 bit 8.10
[18:01] <JohnFlux2> ah I found aa oneliner to install flash
[18:01] <JohnFlux2> Roey: my PhD is in digital holography :)
[18:02] <Roey> cool
[18:02] <Roey> JohnFlux2:  you're young, right?
[18:02] <Roey> 28 or so?
[18:03] <Roey> JohnFlux2:  but in all cases congrats :)
[18:03] <JohnFlux2> Roey: 27
[18:03] <JohnFlux2> although I became a doctor when I was 26
[18:03] <JohnFlux2> It was my birthday the other day :-D
[18:03] <Roey> coool :)
[18:03] <Roey> and happy birthday too :)
[18:03] <JohnFlux2> heh
[18:05] <Nece228> where can i get opera qt4 version?
[18:06] <Doctor_Nick> does anyone know how to backup packages that I have installed?
[18:07] <JohnFlux2> Doctor_Nick: you mean the list of installed packages, or what?
[18:08] <Doctor_Nick> I installed some packages outside of the repos, i'd like to back those up before i flatten and reinstall
[18:08] <Doctor_Nick> but a list of installed packages would be good too
[18:10] <Roey> hi, I'm trying to get sound working here.  As soon as I upgraded to Ibex, it stopped.  I get this:  http://pastebin.com/m6401f287
[18:17] <sorush20> the mounting section of the installation is really bad
[18:17] <sorush20> I hate it
[18:18] <draik> Hello all
[18:18] <sorush20> why would the formating of a swap partition fail/
[18:18] <sorush20> its a joke
[18:20] <draik> In general, when upgrading from one release to another, do you want to keep your old settings or go with the "maintainer's version"?
[18:21] <ArkoldThos> how can i mount a ntfs partition? i have tried clicking on it on dolphin and writing sudo pass
[18:21] <ArkoldThos> it doesnt return nothing but when i try to open it it just doesn't get opened
[18:22] <draik> ArkoldThos: Right-click on the device (NTFS partition) and click on mount. I'm fairly surprised it isn't being done automatically.
[18:22] <woden1> I tried installing ntfs-config but it does not seem to do anything related to auto-mounting my internal NTFS drive.
[18:22] <draik> ArkoldThos: On a side note, are you sure it isn't trying to process the request the reading of the NTFS partition?
[18:22] <x-X-x> is it possible for me to upgrade to a full kubuntu intrepid os from hardy? without having to empty out my hd ?
[18:22] <SlimeyPete> x-X-x: yes
[18:22] <draik> x-X-x: Yes. That's what I'm doing now on my laptop.
[18:22] <ArkoldThos> it just shows hide x device
[18:23] <SlimeyPete> !upgrade
[18:23] <woden1> How do I make it so that Ubuntu 8.10 automatically mounts my internal NTFS drive?
[18:23] <x-X-x> how?
[18:23] <x-X-x> k
[18:23] <SlimeyPete> kdesu upgrade-manager -c
[18:23] <draik> x-X-x: My method is the Alternate CD.
[18:23] <ArkoldThos> :S i havent any problem before upgrading i think (i have been using intrepid rc)
[18:23] <SlimeyPete> (if I remember correctly)
[18:23] <SlimeyPete> hrm... though, is upgrade-manager included with kubuntu? might need to be installed, I'm not sure.
[18:24] <draik> SlimeyPete: sudo upgrade-manager -d    I think. Let me check the log from yesterday.
[18:25] <Roey> hi, I'm trying to get sound working here.  As soon as I upgraded to Ibex, it stopped.  I get this:  http://pastebin.com/m6401f287
[18:25] <woden1> How do I make it so that Ubuntu 8.10 automatically mounts my internal NTFS drive?
[18:25] <ArkoldThos> aww
[18:26] <ArkoldThos> my fault
[18:27] <Darthfrog> woden1: Auto mounts?  Put it in /etc/fstab.
[18:27] <woden1> Darthfrog:  How?  What is the exact line that I need to put in?  I need this to be accessible to my normal user, not just root.
[18:28] <woden1> Darthfrog:  And I looked on the wiki and the help site but there is no "definitive" way to do this apparently.  I get 10 different suggestions that all conflict with each other somehow.
[18:29] <Darthfrog> woden1: Construct a mount command that works for you, you'll need root privileges.  Use those parameters in /etc/fstab.
[18:29] <draik> SlimeyPete: Sorry, I can't confirm. I'm not finding it in my log from the past 2-3 days
[18:29] <Darthfrog> woden1: eg.  "sudo mount -t ntfs -o <options> <device> <mountpoint>
[18:29] <SlimeyPete> draik: sounds about right, anyway
[18:30] <XenThraL> oh sweet jebus
[18:30] <XenThraL> why did I update
[18:30] <moho_> hellow
[18:30] <XenThraL> no easy way to get kde3 back on, is there?
[18:31] <woden1> Darthfrog:  -t ntfs? not -t ntfs-3g?
[18:31] <draik> XenThraL: Not on Intrepid Ibex
[18:31] <Darthfrog> woden1: ntfs-3g if you want to be able to r/w. ntfs is ro.
[18:31] <XenThraL> yeah
[18:31] <XenThraL> kde4 is just too broken though
[18:31] <JohnFlux2> XenThraL: you could reinstall 8.4
[18:32] <XenThraL> would need to buy a new DVD drive
[18:32] <XenThraL> minne is busted
[18:32] <woden1> Darthfrog:  Okay then yes I have everything in the command except for the <options> part I do not know what to put there.
[18:32] <XenThraL> discovered that not long ago
[18:32] <Darthfrog> woden1: You will have to read the documentation on the mount command to see what you want.  "man mount".
[18:33] <woden1> Darthfrog:  Well I was hoping to read something a bit more friendly, like a help.ubuntu.com or wiki.ubuntu.com entry.
[18:34] <woden1> Because I'm sure I am not the only one who wants to auto-mount their NTFS partition.
[18:34] <jt66> woden1 have you seen this http://www.debianadmin.com/mount-your-widows-partitions-and-make-it-readwritable-in-ubuntu.html
[18:34] <woden1> jt66: checking it out right now thanks
[18:34] <jt66> perhaps it might help you
[18:35] <kilrae> does anybody have a link for the kubuntu alternate torrent (the link on the kubuntu site is broken)
[18:35] <draik> kilrae: Have you tried other torrent sites?
[18:35] <kilrae> ah, i found it
[18:35] <Darthfrog> woden1: Hmm, ntfs-3g is a FUSE system.  I don't know that method yet.
[18:35] <woden1> Darthfrog:  Yeah, what is FUSE anyway?
[18:35] <draik> I got the Kubuntu 8.10 CD in under 5 minutes yesterday; alternative cd in just under 10
[18:36] <kilrae> or not, "permission denied"
[18:36] <Darthfrog> woden1: File System in User Space.
[18:38] <Lalaa> I'm from a livecd, I updated my system to 8.10 and my network card left working and it happens too wi ubuntu that I installed into a notebook
[18:38] <XenThraL> how do I get flash working on 8.10?
[18:38] <Lalaa> it's  abug very important, I thinked that my netword card has broken
[18:38] <XenThraL> I have flashplugin-nonfree installed
[18:38] <XenThraL> but firefox doesnt run it?
[18:38] <woden1> Darthfrog:  Yea, I guess the idea was to create a way for non-root to mount NTFS?
[18:39] <Lalaa> does anybody knows how fix it?
[18:39] <Darthfrog> woden1: Add "user" to the options.
[18:39] <Darthfrog> woden1: Options in /etc/fstab, that is.
[18:39] <Darthfrog> woden1: The link that jt66 gave above tells you everything you need to know.
[18:40] <woden1> alrighty
[18:40] <nuno_> Does anyone know a site with plasmoids available for download besides kde look?
[18:40] <woden1> I just dont understand why Ubuntu auto-mounts external ntfs drives but not internal ones.
[18:40] <Darthfrog> woden1: After you've put the entries in /etc/fstab, issue "sudo mount -a" to mount them.
[18:41] <draik> WOOHOO! 15 minutes to go for the completion of the upgrade install (8.04 to 8.10)
[18:42] <mario> conky works with KDE?
[18:42] <smarty> hey all, any idea how to change the time from 24-hr to 12-hr?
[18:43] <smarty> anyone?
[18:44] <mario> best option for conky on kubuntu?
[18:45] <Darthfrog> woden1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/65842/   Gives a  mount command that worked for me.
[18:45] <chairman> hey guys, I'm upgrading right now to 8.10 but i want to know about Amorok .For some reason it won't play myMusic CD's as well as Kaffine
[18:46] <chairman> i want to  do w/Amorok like u can do w/WMedia Player on Vista
[18:46] <draik> chairman: IIRC, Amarok and KDE4 always had a bit of a combo-use issue.
[18:47] <chairman> i see tht now but i dig the look on Amorok though
[18:48] <nuno_> Does anyone know a site with plasmoids available for download besides kde look? huh?
[18:50] <jt66> smarty, i looked dont see a way to change to 12 hour clock must be kde4.2 bug
[18:50] <frederic> frederic91
[18:52] <isleshocky77> Not sure if this falls under kde, kwin, plasma, etc.  But my ktorrent icon has disappear from the task bar and I can't figure out how to open the window. I tried typing ktorrent in the terminal but it gave me an error it's already running.  I'm running kde 4.1.2 on kubuntu 8.04
[18:54] <nuno_> Do you mind if you close it?
[18:54] <pucko-> where can I find the folderview plasmoid supposedly in kde4.1?
[18:54] <isleshocky77> nuno_: Yeah. I know I can close it then reopen it. I was more curious if there was a way to open it with out closing it. It is downloading things.
[18:55] <KR-data> when I print something from Acrobat Reader I get a page telling that the following pages are confidential, how do I disable that?
[18:55] <jt66> smarty, the clock answer is here http://reclusivegeek.wordpress.com/2008/04/19/kde-4-digital-clock-widget/
[19:00] <miguel_> hi everyone
[19:01] <Guest48470> is kutuntu 8.10 ready for dual screen?
[19:10] <sfears> i don't see how to enable the nvidia drivers from the restricted drivers manager since i've upgraded to 7.10.  Any ideas on how to enable nvidia drivers?
[19:14] <woden1> where can I go to get help with a wine + wow problem?
[19:19] <mathieu> hello
[19:19] <mathieu> how can I install firefox without pulling up gnome?
[19:20] <scribbles> apt-get install firefox
[19:20] <scribbles> mathieu ^
[19:20] <mathieu> scribbles: it installs 72 gnome packages
[19:20] <scribbles> mathieu: probably dependencies
[19:20] <mathieu> yes
[19:21] <mathieu> hence my question, is it possible to get firefox without all that cruft?
[19:21] <mathieu> im on a netbook, HD space is limited
[19:21] <scribbles> not that I know of, those are the packages necessary for it to run
[19:22] <scribbles> but going forward, there's surely plenty of programs that rely on those packages too, so its not like you'll have to get that many every time.
[19:22] <mathieu> i strongly doubt liblaunchpad-integration, python-cairo, libgnome-keyring  gnome-mount etc... are needed for firefox
[19:22] <mathieu> scribbles: i dont... i only need firefox its the only non-kde package I use on this laptop
[19:22] <pulaski> hello, I'm trying to mount the nfs shares that reside on my file server to my client machine using: sudo mount 192.168.0.3:/mnt/sdb1 /mnt/shar1 after a while the client returns "mount.nfs: internal error" and my syslog shows this line: "mikesbox kernel: [518531.987326] rpcbind: server 192.168.0.3 not responding, timed out"  I can ssh between the two machines fine.  Has anyone seen this before?
[19:23] <ralesk> trying here too... just in case.  any of you people use the text mode console sometimes?
[19:24] <ralesk> because i noticed that on the consoles, the bright colours are all showing in dark grey.
[19:24] <ralesk> so I can't really set a decent coloured prompt, and it's uncomfortable to use mc or read a man from the console
[19:25] <scribbles> ralesk: even after you set colors in Edit Current Profile?
[19:26] <ralesk> scribbles: not Konsole
[19:26] <scribbles> oh.
[19:26] <ralesk> scribbles: the text mode stuff outside of X
[19:26] <ralesk> the only reason I'm asking here is because #ubuntu-server is a channel of 120 zombies today (must be some Halloween gig :P)
[19:27] <mathieu> so basically... firefox needs 124M (!!!) on kubuntu :(
[19:27] <pulaski> another question: is nfs-utils included in the nfs-kernel-server package on hardy 8.04?
[19:27] <xomp> hjalp! I just updated to intrepid and am suddenly getting a "Sorry - The KDE Session Manager: KDEInit could not launch '/usr/share/screenlets-manager/screenlets-daemon.py'" error. If I click "Ok" it logs me out of KDE and brings me to the login screen. It's like a never ending loop! :(
[19:28] <woden1> Is there a known bug/issue with rebooting causing a system crash?  On a Gateway P-6831FX laptop.
[19:29] <xomp> Ok, I'm going to go ahead an hit "Ok" I'll more than likely be logged out.
[19:30] <woden1> Is there actually a button called "Ok"
[19:30] <xomp> just as I expected, it logged me off..
[19:31] <xomp> and for some reason KMix is started on login, it never did this before.
[19:31] <xomp> Jesus, what the hell has this upgrade done?
[19:34] <jerome__> join ubuntu-fr
[19:34] <xomp> nice, another dead linux support channel lol
[19:35] <Darthfrog> xomp: It's not dead, it's just that nobody has an answer for you.
[19:35] <woden1> Is there actually a button called "Ok"
[19:35] <woden1> Is there actually a button called "Ok"
[19:35] <woden1> Is there a known bug/issue with rebooting causing a system crash?  On a Gateway P-6831FX laptop.
[19:35] <xomp> well I would just do a re-install if ibex would give me a display when booting to the live cd lol
[19:36] <heinkel_111> anyone done the upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 using apt-get --dist-upgrade? does it work?
[19:37] <xomp> heinkel_111, I tried but it didn't work.
[19:37] <heinkel_111> xomp: what happened?
[19:38] <jnalli> when i open firefox the top of the window moves out of range and i cant close it move it
[19:38] <xomp> heinkel_111, I was yelled at for not having certain gnome packages I believe, I've had so many issues upgrading it's hard for me to remember lol.
[19:38] <xomp> looks like dunklefest :(
[19:38] <heinkel_111> xomp: but do you think the recommended adept option is any better?
[19:40] <xomp> heinkel_111, I think I am backwards, maybe dist-upgrade did work (somewhat) now I'm left with strange problems causing me to force logout when I hit the "OK" button to this error message I get about screenlets
[19:41] <xomp> this is killing me too :( I'm loving the new KDE man
[19:41] <xomp> I think I'm going to be forced back to windows though :(
[19:42] <Darthfrog> xomp: Gee, that's tough. :-(  Sorry to hear it.
[19:42] <zerothis> xomp: who's forcing you. we need to set them straight!
[19:43] <xomp> zerothis, well the support with these issues are getting to the point where it's affecting my personal life lol. Atleast with windows if a problem appears I can fix it fairly easily :/
[19:44] <xomp> a problem in linux is equivalent to a problem with the flux capacitor on Marty McFly's Delorian when you come from a windows environment lol
[19:44] <Darthfrog> xomp: A computer is a tool, not a religious choice.  Use the OS that works for you.  I'm sorry to hear that Kubuntu isn't that OS.
[19:45] <Darthfrog> Especially since you don't seem to have considered doing  a fresh install.
[19:45] <xomp> I chose linux for learning LAMP but since everything seems to break (fairly easily too!) that I'm going to have to go with WAMP :(
[19:45] <zerothis> xomp: all true, but I have found with linux that all problems _are_ fixable and once fixed they stay fixed. have you tried paid support?
[19:46] <xomp> Darthfrog, You are correct! I've not considered a fresh install at all. "<xomp> well I would just do a re-install if ibex would give me a display when booting to the live cd lol"
[19:46] <Darthfrog> LAMP is rock solid.  I've been maintaining numerous LAMP servers for years.
[19:47] <xomp> Darthfrog, I and many others are experiencing a black screen when booting with the latest ibex live cd and nobody in any support channel seems to know what the problem is :(
[19:47] <Darthfrog> Have you tried the alternate CD?
[19:47] <raymears> hi folks. sorry to butt in on any ongoing conversations, but i was wandering why the ZUI(the zoom out/switch "activity") feature was removed from intrepid and whether there was any chance of it making a comeback before 9.04
[19:47] <xomp> Darthfrog, what's an alternative cd?
[19:47] <Darthfrog> Personally, I had problems running Gutsy.  So I stayed on Feisty till Hardy came out.  Hardy ran fine.
[19:48] <Darthfrog> !alternate
[19:49] <Darthfrog> Intrepid is running fine.  I'm in love with KDE 4. :-)
[19:49] <chairman> does anybody haave issues w/Amorok?
[19:50] <xomp> Darthfrog, yeah I was able to update one PC (My moms friend) her PC took the update like a champ and is working flawlessly. My PC is newer and it can't take the update it appears lmao
[19:51] <xomp> I guess I'm a tad annoyed at problems only seem to hit ME!
[19:51] <chairman> like i want to play CD's
[19:51] <xomp> and I'm the spokesman for "Get off Windows and use linux" to my friends and family.
[19:52] <Darthfrog> xomp: So stay with Hardy.  It's an excellent OS.
[19:52] <zerothis> xomp: hardy is LTS, might work better for you.
[19:53] <Darthfrog> zerothis: Kubuntu Hardy isn't LTS.
[19:53] <zerothis> really?
[19:54] <edju> I think on the Kubuntu page, it says kde3 will not be supported.
[19:54] <Darthfrog> Yep.  Hardy is KDE 3.5 and the devs didn't want to be committed to supporting KDE 3.5 for 3 years when the switch to KDE 4 was already in the works.
[19:54] <tacosarecool> Hello
[19:54] <tacosarecool> Help
[19:54] <zerothis> their's always xubuntu and regular ubuntu (at least one of those is LTS I hope)
[19:54] <gepo> Can anyone install kdesvn in intrepid? Package kdesvn-kio-plugins conflicts with kdesdk-kio-plugins <4:5.0.0, but newer version of this package is 4:4.1.2.
[19:54] <tacosarecool> It keeps restarting the widgets and whatnots
[19:54] <Darthfrog> Both are, I think.
[19:54] <xomp> brb
[19:54] <edju> Too badf, kde4 stinks.
[19:55] <tacosarecool> I think so too
[19:55] <Darthfrog> edju: I love KDE4.  YMMV, obviously. :-)
[19:55] <tacosarecool> KDE3 was so stable
[19:55] <scribbles> I think its sexy :/
[19:55] <tacosarecool> Then kde 4 ruined it!
[19:55] <Darthfrog> tacosarecool: It's early days yet for KDE 4.
[19:55] <zerothis> Well, I've used KDE4 and I think they should stick with 3 for the time being. I found KDE4 to be quite unstable, and I tried it with 3 different computers too
[19:55] <xomp> hah got past that damned error message that caused infinite logouts :)
[19:55] <Darthfrog> So stay with Hardy.
[19:56] <claydoh> just like when the move from kde2 to kde3, kde3 was a bit crashy
[19:56] <claydoh> and now 6 years later is is solid :L)
[19:56] <zerothis> now its solid, quick change it!
[19:56] <Darthfrog> Kubuntu made the break between KDE 3 and KDE 4 with Intrepid.  You can always stay with the mature KDE 3.5 with Hardy.  Other than KDE, it's LTS.
[19:56] <xomp> haha has anyone noticed that if you logout and log in then paste from your clipboard you get "Спасибо" which is Russian for "Thank You"? is that an easter egg or something? :P
[19:57]  * claydoh agrees with Darthfrog
[19:57] <edju> The panel, even - icons, er - widgets - keep disappearing.
[19:57] <trappist> I've just upgraded straight from gutsy to intrepid, and I was kinda caught off guard by kde4, and I have a coupla questions...
[19:57] <claydoh> hardy is s till supported, and when jaunty is out kde4 will be quite advanced
[19:57] <trappist> first, how can I add application icons to the kicker, if that's still what it's called
[19:58] <claydoh> trappist: right-click on a menu item is easiest
[19:58] <Darthfrog> trappist: Click on the cashew on the right side of the panel.
[19:58] <xomp> Darthfrog, I fixed my problem by deleting "~/.kde/Autostart/Screenlets Daemon.desktop" but I still get KMix starting up on it's own during login which is annoying :(
[19:58] <ardy> Please help: xinerama with Kde4 is not working quite right, the secondary screen is all white
[19:58] <draik> I am now running Intrepid Ibex
[19:59] <draik> A few questions...
[19:59] <draik> What's with the notepad?
[19:59] <xomp> that plasmoid?
[19:59] <draik> What's with the "Desktop" window?
[19:59] <Darthfrog> xomp: Then close all the windows you don't want starting when you log in.  When you've got things the way you want them, then log out to preserve that state, then log back in again.
[19:59] <draik> xomp: Can you please explain?
[19:59] <xomp> Darthfrog, ok, I'll give it a try.
[19:59] <Darthfrog> !plasma
[19:59] <Darthfrog> !plasmoid
[19:59] <edju> Neither do I!
[20:00] <zerothis> !anything_about_anything
[20:00] <Darthfrog> draik: KDE 4 has done away with the classical desktop.  It's now running Plasma as the desktop.
[20:00] <Darthfrog> draik: and the applets for Plasma are plasmoids. :-)
[20:01] <draik> Darthfrog: Ok. So what is the desktop thing?
[20:01] <Darthfrog> edju: Learn! :-)
[20:01] <trappist> claydoh: what if it's not in the menu?  how can I make a custom one?
[20:01] <Darthfrog> draik: Go to KDE.org and read up on Plasma.
[20:01] <xomp> Darthfrog, that did the trick lol, I only did the same thing like 4 other times but ever since you suggested doing it it worked a treat. Must have magical words :)
[20:02] <xomp> KDE4 in Ibex is simply breathtaking :D
[20:02] <Darthfrog> BTW, I love the lancelot plasmoid.  It's a different menu applet for the panel.  I prefer it to the stock KDE one.  install the lancelot-plasmoid package.
[20:02] <xomp> It's like McDonalds, I'm luvin' it! (tm)
[20:02] <draik> Darthfrog: Ok. Will do.
[20:02] <helge__> Anyway I can edit the start menu items in KDE4? I would like to remove some icons that I don't use
[20:03] <trappist> claydoh: nm found my app in the menu
[20:03] <claydoh> helge__: yes you can
[20:03] <draik> xomp: I agree. I'm loving the way it looks, feels, reacts... everything. It's something new and I want to understand it all at once.
[20:03] <helge__> ...
[20:03] <Darthfrog> xomp: Computers are intimidated by me. :-)  Things don' work for my wife, I sit down at her machine and they work! :-)  And she's the witch! :))
[20:03] <xomp> haha
[20:03] <paul__> !List
[20:03] <larsivi_> after upgrading from hardy to ibex, my mail settings are completely blank, not a single button to click, and there appears to be no accounts converted either
[20:03] <claydoh> helge__: right-click the kmenu icon to get the menu editor
[20:04] <xomp> well I've survived linux for another day! so I'll remain in a dual-boot environment for a bit longer I suppose lol.
[20:04] <helge__> HA HA HA... So easy. Thanks!
[20:04] <xomp> I'm glad to see they put the trash icon back next to the clock. That was driving me crazy before the update lol
[20:05] <Darthfrog> larsivi: Were you running KDE4 in Hardy?
[20:05] <larsivi_> Darthfrog: I had it installed, but didn't run it
[20:05] <ejm> Is there a way to install kubuntu over suse, but keep my files intact? I'm not wanting to dual-boot, I'm wanting to use ubuntu. I just don't want to copy a ton of files to an external hdd, and then back again.
[20:05] <Darthfrog> larsivi: You had a .kde and .kde4 directory in Hardy.  You might have a conflict.
[20:06] <Darthfrog> ejm: Backup your home directory.
[20:06] <Porky> hello all
[20:06] <larsivi_> Darthfrog: kubuntu docs said .kde4 would be ignored
[20:06] <ejm> dang it...ok I guess I will do it.
[20:06] <Porky> may someone help me to change my wallpaper in console mode?
[20:07] <Darthfrog> larsivi: Check .kde4 to see if your correct mail settings are there.
[20:08] <Darthfrog> Porky: In console mode??  Why?  Just right-click on the desktop and choose Desktop Settings.
[20:08] <chrisruls00> Does anyone else here use an NVidia video card with 8.10? and if so how did you install it? I'm having trouble getting mine to work.
[20:08] <Porky> Darthfrog> ssh =x
[20:08] <Darthfrog> chrisruls00: Did you run jockey-kde?
[20:09] <chrisruls00> no, what is that?
[20:09] <Darthfrog> Porky:  ssh -Y -l <login name> <remote-host>
[20:09] <larsivi_> Darthfrog: no, they're not - kde4 never had correct mail settings for me, and .kde4 haven't been changed since I tried it a few months ago
[20:09] <Darthfrog> Porky: That'll forward X over SSH.
[20:10] <Porky> but if my mum is logged in on X ?
[20:10] <Darthfrog> Porky: Doesn't matter.  Linux is multi-user.
[20:10] <Porky> oki i'll try
[20:10] <chrisruls00> I just ran jockey-kde but it just opens a window that says "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system"
[20:10] <Porky> thank Dartfrog
[20:10] <Darthfrog> Porky: np
[20:11] <Darthfrog> chrisruls00: Then use it to install the Nvidia drivers.
[20:11] <Darthfrog> !nvidia
[20:11] <jussi01> chrisruls00: which nvidia card do you have?
[20:12] <chrisruls00> acording to device manager I have Geforce4 420 Go
[20:12] <chrisruls00> I'm on a laptop, btw.
[20:12] <xomp> what are some Amarok alternatives? I don't particularly like the look of Amarok :)
[20:12] <Porky> Darthfrog> Am I supposed to type it in konsole?
[20:13] <Porky> Darthfrog> Because it doesen't shox me X
[20:13] <Porky> *show
[20:13] <olskolirc> !xmms2
[20:13] <olskolirc> !xmms
[20:13] <Darthfrog> Porky: No, it won't.  But if you run an X app now, it'll display on your local system.
[20:13] <olskolirc> !info xmms
[20:13] <pulaski> Hi, lockd is not showing up using lsmod or 'ps ax | grep 'lockd' on my nfs file server.  My NFS HOWTO says I need it.  Would this be preventing me from mounting my shares on my client?
[20:13] <jussi01> chrisruls00: I think your card is missing support atm - see the release notes here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810
[20:14] <Darthfrog> Porky: an X app such as "systemsettings".  :-)
[20:14] <jussi01> chrisruls00: I think support will be added for your card soon.
[20:14] <Darthfrog> pulaski: Yep.
[20:14] <xomp> hmm, nevermind lol I found a way to make it much smaller looking instead of the big old window with a bunch of stuff :P
[20:15] <Porky> Darthfrog> ok I try
[20:15] <Pooh22> hi, is it possible to upgrade to intrepid without upgrading KDE? (I have an issue with my dual screen setup and nvidia hardware in KDE4)
[20:15] <chrisruls00> so I can't use compiz till it is supported, right?
[20:15] <ejm> look on wikipedia's entry on amarok for other alternatives. There's two or three like amarok right off the top of my head that I can think of.
[20:15] <Bsims> I kinda understand why kubuntu dropped 3.5x for Intrepid but when kde4 isn't stable enough for Debian Sid... I used a thirdparty to install 3.5 so I can actually work
[20:15] <ejm> minirok and exaile or something like that are two.
[20:16] <Bsims> Pooh22: Nope, but with third party depos you can install it at the expense of 3.4 unless you go with nightly builds
[20:16] <Darthfrog> chrisruls00: Kwin in KDE4 incorporates much of compiz natively.
[20:16] <Pooh22> Bsims: ok, I guess I'll stick with Hardy for a while then...
[20:16] <Porky> Darthfrog> hmm I think I missed something? Oh I must open the apps from my konsole?
[20:17] <Darthfrog> chrisruls00: But if you don't have direct hardware rendering, it might not be fast enough for you.
[20:17] <Bsims> Pooh22: I kinda wish I had, but its a bit faster on Ibex once you get it installed due to the kernel improvements
[20:17] <chrisruls00> Don't I have to have 3Dacceleration for that to work?
[20:17] <Darthfrog> Porky: Bingo.
[20:17] <Porky> Darthfrog> Great, I'm stupid lol, Thanks a lot
[20:17]  * Bsims grins having tracked kde before... I should have waited till 4.2.2 at least
[20:17] <Darthfrog> Porky: Ignorance is curable, Stupidity is terminal.  You learn. :-)
[20:18] <Pooh22> Bsims: I don't really have speed issues, I have a P4 3GHz w 2G RAM ;-)
[20:18] <Bsims> Pooh22: I'm old enough to remember when 3.x was teething
[20:18] <Pooh22> Bsims: I started using KDE when mandrake 5.3 came out ;-)
[20:19] <Bsims> Pooh22: SuSE 7. something
[20:19] <xomp> hey quick question for you guys. Is there a way to make certain apps start on startup of the system? Like this Gmail Notifier I have, I would like very much for it to be one of the apps that startup when I restart my pc.
[20:19] <Porky> Darthfrog> lmao
[20:19] <zaishaza> hi, anyone else having sound problems with kubuntu 8.10? vlc, amarok and movie player are completely silent for me. :(
[20:19] <chrisruls00> ok, I have another issue. When I typpe really fast or when I hold down a key a lot of horizontal black lines falsh across the screen, it's kind of annoying. Is this also driver related?
[20:20] <Porky> Darthfrog> so thanks, and good night
[20:20] <Darthfrog> xomp: Bring out the comfy chair!!   Oops, forget that.  Look at ~/.kde/Autostart instead. :-)
[20:20] <Bsims> xomp: mine works but pulseaudio is kinda crappy
[20:20] <Darthfrog> Porky: Have fun.  Say Hi to your mum for me. :-)
[20:20] <ubuntu__> Hi! In kubuntu 8.10 i would like to install sun-jdk6. In the adept-manager it doesn't find it (it also doesn't find blender). When i use aptitude, all programs are there. How to search in adept?
[20:21] <xomp> Darthfrog, Mein Kampfy chair? :P
[20:21] <Darthfrog> ubuntu__: Do you have the multiverse repository enabled?
[20:21] <Bsims> ubuntu__: just a guess check repositories enabled
[20:21] <Darthfrog> xomp: It was a line from the Monty Python Spanish Inquisition sketch. :-)
[20:21] <ubuntu__> yes, and the things are found in aptitude which also uses sources.list
[20:22] <xomp> Darthfrog, ahh lol ok :) I just create a link to the program into ~/.kde/Autostart right?
[20:22] <pulaski> Darthfrog: Thanks for responding.  Do you have any idea how I can obtain lockd?
[20:22] <Darthfrog> xomp: Only after a round of the fish-slapping dance. :-)
[20:23] <xomp> lmao
[20:23] <ceafu> hi everyone. anybody in here familiar with Kontact, specifically importing calendar files.
[20:23] <Darthfrog> pulaski: I think you'll have install more nfs packages.  I don't know which one contains the lock daemon.
[20:23] <Bsims> Sorry ceafu never used kontact, I use google calendar
[20:24] <ubuntu__> does anyone using kubuntu 8.10 finding "blender" in adept? Not in "Add/remove Software", i mean adept (starter -> adept)
[20:24] <ceafu> i wish i did, just hate having my info in cloud.
[20:24] <ceafu> now that you can show calendar in gmail i may even switch.
[20:25] <pulaski> Darthfrog: I tried to install nfs-utils but apt-get can't find nfs-utils.  I figured it was inclueded in the nfs-kernel-server package.  Is this the case?
[20:25] <Bsims> ubuntu__: want to cheat? open a terminal and type "sudo apt-get install blender"
[20:27] <ubuntu__> bsims: i know that. But i want to give the kubuntu-cd to a friend :-)
[20:27] <ubuntu__> And he needs sun-java
[20:27] <pucko-> pulaski, lockd is in nfs-common
[20:28] <Bsims> Ah... look in settings for adept and make sure you have universe enabled
[20:28] <ubuntu__> It's strange, i don't find anything with this new adept :-(
[20:28] <ubuntu__> But maybe it's because i'm in live-cd mode
[20:28] <pulaski> pucko-: Thanks
[20:28] <Bsims> ubuntu__: I've never used adpet, I use synaptic or the commandline
[20:28] <ubuntu__> me to :-)
[20:28] <pucko-> why do some packages depend on openjdk-6 while other can use any jdk?
[20:29] <jussi01> chrisruls00: sorry, was away, yeah, thats right, no compiz till the new one comes.
[20:29] <Bsims> pucko-: Basicaly how the author wrote the dependencies
[20:31] <bukharin> hello all
[20:31] <bukharin> i have a probably stupid question... and was wondering if anyone here could give me a hand :)
[20:31] <bukharin> i installed kde4 from deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main
[20:31] <bukharin> and i want to remove it to upgrade to ibex...
[20:32] <bukharin> hwo can i do it?
[20:32] <draik> Darthfrog: I have gone through the site and started playing with my HP laptop that I just finished upgrading. I am geekly overwhelmed with joy at the look and how it all works for me. KDE4.1 ROCKS!
[20:32] <derdui> Hi, does anybody know how to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10?
[20:32] <draik> !upgrade | derdui
[20:32] <Bsims> bukharin: you shouldn't need to
[20:32] <ceafu> bukharin: I hope somebody knows. I instaled it same way already in ibex, and it will not uninstall
[20:32] <Bsims> bukharin: Let apt sort it out
[20:32] <bukharin> derdui: adept_manager --dist-upgrade?
[20:32] <Bsims> Or failing that manualy remove it
[20:33] <bukharin> Bsims: but i installed a bunch of different packages... they will remain instaled once  upgrade the old kde pacakgaes..
[20:33] <deftone> How can i add adept installer to cairo-dock ??
[20:33] <ceafu> synaptic > repositories > update tab. option near bottom
[20:33] <derdui> thanks ubottu and bukharin
[20:33] <bukharin> Bsims: well, that's exactly what i wanted to do, manually remove it, and leave a "clean" kde3 kubuntu install
[20:33] <draik> !botsnack
[20:34] <Bsims> bukharin: simplest way I can think of to help ya is to manualy remove everything in the kde catagory and then reinstall it once you've upgraded
[20:34] <bukharin> Bsims: ok, so i can safely assume that all kde4 pacakges are actualy called *-kde4?
[20:35] <draik> Is there a calendar widget?
[20:35] <draik> I can't seem to find one
[20:35] <bukharin> Bsims: cause i was prepared to remove each and every one, but i thought that there should be one package that all other depen on
[20:35] <ceafu> Anyone have an argument of whether to install a few KDE apps or just install Kubuntu KDE 4 Desktop instead. I assume one takes up a little less room
[20:35] <bukharin> ceafu: go with the full fledged thingy. kde 4.1 rocks. big time
[20:36] <Bsims> bukharin: not really... no and in the new ibex version they will not have the 4 prefix and will be upgraded
[20:36] <smarty> im agreeing with buk
[20:36] <smarty> *not agreeing
[20:36] <ceafu> I have been playing with it today. I like it so far. The floating desktop window thing is weird.
[20:36] <smarty> bsims took care of it, haha thanks
[20:36] <Bsims> bukharin: Word of advice... backup .kde first... kde 4 in ibex will stomp all over your settings
[20:36] <Bsims> I thought 4.1 sucked and went third party repos to reinstall 3.5
[20:37] <bukharin> Bsims: yeah, i know. that's what i want to prevent. adept will upgrade all kde packages to kde4 versions, but it will leave all -kde4 pacakges alone, as they were manually installed from kde.org repos, not kubntu
[20:37] <ubuntu_> Hi all... than differs kubutu desktop from kubyntu server?
[20:37] <bukharin> ubuntu_ server comes without desktop manager
[20:37] <Bsims> Basicaly the new kubuntu is all 4.1 so apt will sort it out on its own bukharin
[20:37] <bukharin> ubuntu_ usually, you'd want it for headless setups
[20:38] <ubuntu_> hm thx )
[20:38] <bukharin> Bsims: you sure taht i wil not end up with two kde4 installations?
[20:38] <SudoKing> I'm trying to do a dist-upgrade to intrepid, (currently 8.04), but it says that there are no upgrades. How should I upgrade?
[20:38] <Bsims> Ya shouldn't...
[20:38] <bukharin> Bsims: i could bet that that's exaclty what wil happen, and i can't reinstall i this box wihtout a LOT of pain
[20:39] <ceafu> sudoking: synaptic > repositories > update tab. option near bottom
[20:39] <Bsims> bukharin: then you've got a job ahead of you removing the old packages first
[20:39] <ceafu> choose normal releases
[20:39] <ceafu> jasunto: hey fool
[20:39] <bukharin> Bsims: T_T that's waht i wanted to do in the first place... gues i'll have to remove by hand then.
[20:39] <Bsims> bukharin: I had some old kde 4.1 packages and it handled it on its own for me
[20:39] <jasunto_> yo
[20:39] <SudoKing> ceafu: I'm using Adept Manager for the packages (Using KDE 4.1)
[20:39] <jasunto_> i hate the stinking underscores
[20:40] <bukharin> Bsims: ok, i'll see if i cand find a how to on "completely remove kde4" :) thanks for the reasuring messages bout adept ;)
[20:40] <jasunto_> did you get alien?
[20:40] <ceafu> oops sorry.
[20:40] <ubuntu_> somebody already tried kde 4.2? On kde.org already about new release speak like
[20:40] <Bsims> Heh no problem... Apt is pretty smart
[20:40] <jasunto_> its nice, when there isnt a deb package i download rpm package and it turns into deb package for me
[20:40] <jasunto_> i think it works for kde and xfce
[20:40] <Bsims> ubuntu_: I've not... I despised 4.1...
[20:40] <Bsims> I am tempted to install project neon daily builds
[20:41] <ubuntu_> aa .. sorry
[20:41]  * Bsims grins I'm a stick in the mud ubuntu_... I use kde wmaker and gnome in that order
[20:41] <xomp> wow I somehow totally messed up my whole menu and everything by accidentally adding the KMenu applet then removing it once I saw I had two lmao
[20:41] <ubuntu_> and kubuntu 6.10 will update to me kde to 1.2 versions?
[20:42] <Bsims> I can't help but wish wmaker or a clone had support for compiz
[20:42] <ubuntu_> gnome it's no good ))
[20:42] <SlimeyPete> 6.10??
[20:42] <SlimeyPete> 6.10 is very old
[20:42] <xomp> here's what I've managed to do http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=49785528ij9.png
[20:42] <ubuntu_> 8.10 ))
[20:42] <SlimeyPete> ah.
[20:42] <smarty> hey, anyone know how to make the clock from 24hrs to 12hrs? (instead of seeing 16:00 to 4:00) ?
[20:42] <xomp> can someone tell me how to reset this to default? lmao
[20:42] <SudoKing> And I"ve tried dist-upgrade in the terminal but it does not say a distribution upgrade is available (and the current distro is up to date)
[20:42] <SlimeyPete> kubuntu 8.10 includes kde 4.1, as far as I know
[20:43] <Bsims> SlimeyPete: Unfortunatly its only 4.1
[20:43] <ceafu> I think I changed my clock to use local time to solve that
[20:43] <ubuntu_> and its not update? (
[20:43] <SlimeyPete> SudoKing: in ubuntu you don't use dist-upgrade to upgrade to a newer version of the OS
[20:44] <SudoKing> And what should I use (Full Upgrade in Adept doesn't work either :\ )
[20:44] <ardchoille> !upgrade
[20:44] <SlimeyPete> SudoKing: you can use the Alternate CD or you can use "kdesu upgrade-manager -c"
[20:44] <Bsims> SudoKing: you have to follow the instructions... lts requires an extra step to upgrade to a non lts release
[20:44] <SlimeyPete> or -d... I'm not sure
[20:45] <cyberlag> vsem privetr
[20:45] <cyberlag> tut russkie est'?
[20:45] <ubuntu_> =))
[20:45] <xomp> SudoKing, kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"
[20:45] <xomp> SudoKing, that's what I used to upgrade from Hardy to Ibex
[20:45] <Jacek> hi guys, i've got a laptop with small hdd (40gb) and i don't have much free space there. but I've another hdd(20gb) connected via usb on which i want to install kubuntu. my laptop doesn't have cd drive and i don't know how do it..
[20:45] <xomp> vsem privet!
[20:46] <SudoKing> Xomp, ah that ticked the Upgrade Version link in Adept = )
[20:46] <xomp> SudoKing, good to hear :)
[20:46] <smarty> i have this theme (black loadus) that is a .zip file... how to apply it into kubuntu kde4.1 ?
[20:48] <smarty> anyone any idea?
[20:48] <deftone> can anyone help me? i want to put the trash png icon on cairo but i don't know how to make the trash icon change when i put something in the trash.
[20:49] <xomp> now could someone tell me how to reset my KMenu's  placement and all that jazz since I've accidentally changed it somehow? lmao here's a pic of it now but I would like defaults please :) http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=49785528ij9.png
[20:50] <snikker> bluetooth doesn't work in 8.10?
[20:50] <smarty> i have this theme (black loadus) that is a .zip file... how to apply it into kubuntu kde4.1 ?
[20:51] <trappist> does kubuntu intrepid have any kind of fast-user-switching functionality, where another user can log in without closing the current user's session?
[20:51] <deftone> Xomp: delete your .kde folder and everything will go back to defaults
[20:51] <xomp> thanks deftone :)
[20:51] <overminddl1> When I scroll my mouse down, it scrolls as expected, but if I scroll my mouse up, it scrolls *all* the way down to the bottom, why would it be doing this, and this is after a restart?
[20:56] <Doctor_Nick> can someone do me a favor and go to www.gunshowcomic.com and tell me if it connects or not?
[20:56] <OvermindDL1> it connects
[20:56] <Doctor_Nick> dang
[20:56] <OvermindDL1> ?
[20:57] <gsa10132> same here.. no issues
[20:57] <Doctor_Nick> i have a problem where its not connecting on any of my ubuntu computers
[20:57] <Doctor_Nick> but if i use my windows computer, it connects
[20:57] <OvermindDL1> ...
[20:57] <OvermindDL1> tracert?
[20:57] <gsa10132> dns-issue?
[20:57] <OvermindDL1> myt?
[20:57] <Doctor_Nick> this is what im thinking
[20:57] <Doctor_Nick> if i use a proxy it connects fine
[20:57] <deftone> I need help with Cairo-Dock
[20:58] <OvermindDL1> When I scroll my mouse wheel down, it scrolls as expected, but if I scroll my mouse wheel up, it scrolls *all* the way down to the bottom, why would it be doing this, and this is after a restart?
[20:59] <Doctor_Nick> ugh
[20:59] <cyberlag> Podskazqte, kak men zapustit' s'jobmqj disk Formatirovannqj na FAT32 pod UBUNTU?
[20:59] <Doctor_Nick> i'm getting issues where the terminal isn't refreshing when I do stuff like switch views in irssi
[21:00] <Doctor_Nick> !help-ru
[21:00] <com_h> Morning everyone, I'm trying to install vmware into Kubuntu, has anyone done this before?
[21:00] <Doctor_Nick> !ru
[21:05] <amd-64> hey anyone else have a problem installing java?, it stops as normal , waiting for the user to click "accept" the licence thing, but ya can't see the accept box to click on it!, (useing adept installer), should I be useing a different installer? like synaptic??
[21:06] <snikker> how can i read files names with strange chars (encoded ISO 8859-15), with dolphin?
[21:08] <[Relic]> how safe is 8.04 -> 8.10 upgrade w/ reinstall?
[21:08] <[Relic]> w/o
 I've done it on two computers without any problems.
[21:09] <dual> One laptop and one desktop. One Nvidia and one ATI.
[21:09] <rodrigo_> join /grulic
[21:10] <rodrigo_> #grulic
[21:11] <rodrigo_> join #ubuntu
[21:11] <rodrigo_> gente buenas
[21:12] <rodrigo_> como era el comando para unirse a otros canales?
[21:12] <[Relic]> dual, just wondering since I am using the kde3 version, wasn't sure if that was going to cause problems or not
[21:12] <PeperJohnny> !es | rodrigo_
[21:12] <snikker> rodrigo_: /j #channel-name
[21:12] <rodrigo_> Hi guys, could you tell me how I can join to another channel please?
[21:13] <rodrigo_> sorry for teh inconvenience
[21:13] <rodrigo_> :)
[21:13] <KDesk>  /join #channel
[21:13] <PeperJohnny> ./join #chanel
[21:14] <rodrigo_> KDesk: PeperJohnny: Thanks all!
[21:14] <rodrigo_> XD
[21:14] <xomp> how to add/remove apps from the "Favorites" section of the KMenu?
[21:15] <PeperJohnny> xomp: removing: right click on the app and remove from favs
[21:15] <hagebake> hi, after I upgraded to 8.10, KDE shows a black screen after the splash screen where I can move the mouse but do nothing else. "top" shows that krunner, kded, plasma and xdm use up all the available CPU and continue to use more and more ram. anyone know how to fix this?
[21:15] <PeperJohnny> xomp: adding : look for the app you want to add right click add to favs
[21:15] <xomp> PeperJohnny, lol awesome, thanks!
[21:15] <PeperJohnny> xomp: youre welcome
[21:15] <hagebake> in ~/.xsession-errors I see errors about krunner, plasma etc not replying to dbus
[21:16] <xomp> time to play some Team Fortress 2 :P later all
[21:17] <snikker> hagebake: try to reinstall kde-desktop "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop"
[21:19] <PeperJohnny> snikker: wasnt the pkg name kubuntu-desktop in intrepid?
[21:20] <deftone> How can I clean up any old files or junk that my be on my system?
[21:23] <snikker> PeperJohnny: you are right is "kubuntu-desktop". but i remenber to have used "kubuntu-kde4-desktop" yesterday
[21:23] <PeperJohnny> snikker: afaik kubuntu-kde4-desktop was just the package in hardy
[21:24] <trappist> is there any way, in kde4, to group tasks like you could in kde3?
[21:25] <LeeJunFan> no palm pilot application in kde4 apparently - anyone have any suggestions other than installing gnome-pilot and all it's deps?
[21:25] <snikker> PeperJohnny: yes, you're right. thanks for clarify
[21:26] <PeperJohnny> snikker: youre welcome
[21:27] <trappist> also, how do I manage my display settings, i.e., to use the fglrx driver (if that's still what it's called)
[21:28] <favro> !fglrx | trappist
[21:29] <trappist> thanks favro
[21:29] <favro> np
[21:32] <knofi> hi
[21:33] <favro> !hi
[21:33] <knofi> i also have a problem whith the grafical output: i am unable to configure my secondary screen
[21:33] <snikker> how can i read filenames encoded with iso-8859?
[21:34] <favro> !xinerama | knofi
[21:35] <favro> !locales | snikker
[21:35] <knofi> favro, thats what worked whith ubuntu 8.04... but whith 08.10 nvidia-settings produces just useless (not working) versions of xorg.con...
[21:36] <knofi> and i dont want to write the displays to my xorg.conf manually...
[21:36] <favro> knofi: the nvidia drivers have had a name change afaik
[21:37] <snikker> favro: thanks
[21:37] <favro> np
[21:37] <knofi> thats not the problem - i have installed them without problems... and the name of the driver (nvidia) did not change
[21:38] <favro> knofi: no idea then
[21:38] <knofi> is there a tool to identify two monitors and make them work?
[21:38] <favro> yep xinerama
[21:40] <adrien> hello guy ... I upgraded from hardy to 8.10 .. I got some problems
[21:40] <adrien> 1) my menus are in english (but not my applications) and I am french
[21:41] <favro> !locales | adrien see if this helps
[21:41] <adrien> 2) my screen has snow on menus
[21:41] <adrien> ok ubottu
[21:41] <knofi> favro, but wasnt there a problem enabling composite whith xinemera?
[21:41] <adrien> ubottu: thks
[21:42] <adrien> thanks
[21:42] <favro> knofi: I wouldn't know about that
[21:42] <knofi> well, anyway thank you ;)
[21:42] <knofi> i will go on trying...
[21:43] <jussi01> ubottu: is a bot
[21:43] <romuloo> !kopete
[21:44] <romuloo> hello... is the "Now listening" plugin working with the current version of Amarok (not Amarok 2 beta)? i'm using kubuntu intrepid
[21:45] <Preu> Does anyone know how to get kubuntu intrepid to not ask for password anymore when trying to access Windows drive?
[21:46] <PeperJohnny> romuloo: i think it wont work with amarok-kde3 because the plasmoid works with dbus and amarok3 works with dcop
[21:46] <dr_willis> internal or external? You could add a fstab entry for the drive and have it automounted at boot.
[21:46] <favro> Preu: how are you accessing the drive?
[21:46] <rgreening_> can someone kick my old nick? rgreening?
[21:47] <dr_willis> rgreening _  nickserv can do that by your command.. if its a regiestered nock
[21:47] <dr_willis> nick
[21:47] <Preu> it comes up automatically on boot, but when I click on it in Dolphin, it asks for password.
[21:47] <romuloo> PeperJohnny: yeah... make sense :p
[21:47] <rgreening_> oh, how
[21:47] <Preu> It's not in my fstab though.
[21:47] <favro> !ghost
[21:47] <dr_willis>  - /msg nickserv help
[21:47] <hagebake> what is a package i can remove to remove all kde packages? kdebase doesn't do it, nor kubuntu-desktop
[21:48] <favro> !puregnome | hagebake
[21:48] <romuloo> PeperJohnny: so... there is a way to run old kopete on kde4? building the source only?
[21:48] <dr_willis> hagebake,  there is no 1 package.
[21:48] <rgreening> ty
[21:49] <favro> Preu: what is the line for the disk in /et/fstab?
[21:49] <favro> */etc/fstab
[21:49] <Preu> for the windows disk? It's partition sda1, and it doesn't appear in fstab
[21:50] <dr_willis> and this is an Internal ide/sata disk? not external usb?
[21:50] <Preu> only sda2 and sda5 (linux and swap partitions, respectively)
[21:50] <Preu> it's an internal
[21:50] <deftone> what package can i use to clean up kubuntu?
[21:51] <dr_willis> Theres lots of docs out  to fix that up Preu   Im just not sure what ones are best for you. ;)
[21:51] <yakuzi> is it doable to run a single boot kubuntu if you need:1) to be able to give presentations on a beamer (probably with powerpoint) =>nice and easy dual monitor is needed, 2)office 2007 ?
[21:51] <dr_willis> Preu,  you basically need to add a line in fstab for it, to be mounted using the ntfs-3g filesystem
[21:51] <yakuzi> i'm asking this because i've a problem with my partitions and i'm considering a single boot
[21:51] <dr_willis> !windows
[21:51] <dr_willis> Hmm..
[21:51] <dr_willis> !mount
[21:51] <Preu> ntfs-3g?
[21:52] <dr_willis> !ntfs-3gh
[21:52] <dr_willis> !ntfs-3g
[21:52] <dr_willis> Thats the driver that lets linxui read/write ntfs disks
[21:52] <dr_willis> and learning how linux mounts filesystems.. is very good foundation knowledge to know. :)
[21:52] <Preu> it reads and writes my ntfs partition, it just wants a password the first time I access it after I log in
[21:52] <dr_willis> Preu,  thats because its mounting it the first time.
[21:53] <dr_willis> thats the automounting system wanting the sudoers password I belive
[21:53] <Preu> so there's no way I can tell it to not ask for the password?
[21:53] <dr_willis> If you mounted it from fstab - it wouldent ask
[21:53] <dr_willis> thats the whole point. :)
[21:53] <Preu> ah.
[21:53] <hagebake> hmm
[21:53] <dr_willis> its 'automagic' vs 'doing exactly what you tell it' :)
[21:53] <yakuzi> dr_willis: the problem i have isn't easy: my dual boot works fine, but i can't install 8.10 or any other version because the installer partition thing only sees /dev/sda, same for gparted
[21:53] <hagebake> thanks favro
[21:54] <favro> np
[21:54] <condon> Can I have gnome and kde installed simultaneously.
[21:54] <dr_willis> condon,  you can install se3veral dozen window managers/dekstops at the same time
[21:54] <dr_willis> condon,  just pick the one to use at the kdm.gdm login screen
[21:54] <hagebake> but what if I don't want kde or gnome or xfce, but want command line stuff? if i uninstall kubuntu-desktop it removes the kernel too
[21:54] <dr_willis> hagebake,  just stop the kdm service, and you boot to command line.
[21:54] <yakuzi> it should see my NTFS windows partition, FAT32 data, swap, / and /boot but it doesn't, my guess is it srewed up aftr my latest windows install something went wrong when restoring grub
[21:55] <condon> where do I get gnome?  Can't seem to find it in adept
[21:55] <dr_willis> install ubuntu-desktop
[21:56] <victorjdh> or get the ubuntu
[21:56] <dr_willis> that will get all the gnome bits. and let you have basicially ubuntu+kubuntu on the same box
[21:56] <hagebake> is there a package for the essential things except kde?
[21:56] <dr_willis> Most essential things are allready installed.. ifthey are essential. :)
[21:56] <condon> You saying to download the latest ubuntu live cd and just install the gnome stuff off it?
[21:56] <dr_willis> condon,  No.. i am saying install the 'ubuntu-desktop' package
[21:57] <adrien> When I select a menu the next menu is ugly some millisecond before displayed ... do you have this  on intrepid ?
[21:57] <condon> do I need to add a repository for that?  Doesn't show up in adept either
[21:57] <dr_willis> adrien,  its aknown bug in kde4 it seems.
[21:57] <dr_willis> !info ubuntu-desktop
[21:57] <adrien> ok dr_willis
[21:57] <deftone> anyone know how I can clean up my system of any junk?
[21:58] <dr_willis> Its in MAIN condon, it better show up.. or you got some big issues..
[21:58] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[21:58] <draik> I was trying to put Billix on my 256MB drive and it failed. How can I format the USB drive so that it can be used again as a storage device?
[21:59] <dr_willis> draik,  use the proper mkfs.XXX command on the device.   ie: sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1  (IF its sda1)
[21:59] <condon> Thanks dr_willis, that worked
[21:59] <condon> 800 megs :) Wow, another 5 or 6 environments, my linux will be the size of a base windows install :)
[22:00] <hagebake> oh
[22:01] <hagebake> but for some reason a kernel was getting auto removed when i remove those kde packages
[22:01] <dr_willis> condon,  dont forget xubuntu-desktop :)
[22:01] <condon> what's that one?
[22:01] <dr_willis> !xubuntu
[22:01] <deftone> dr_willis: how can i clean up my system of any junk?
[22:01] <dr_willis> deftone,  fire up the package manager and start uninstalling I guess...
[22:02] <deftone> no programs that will do that like ccleaner for windows?
[22:02] <favro> deftone: sudo apt-get clean will remove the d/loaded debs
[22:02] <ardchoille> deftone: you can also removed packages that were download by running; sudo apt-get clean
[22:03] <delilaz> hello all, I just finished installing flashplayer and at the end of the installation it stated to "please ask admin to remove xpti.dat from components directory of mozilla or netscape browser.
[22:03] <delilaz> can anyone help me?
[22:04] <ardchoille> deftone: there's also a way to clean up other items, open a terminal and run; kcmshell privacy
[22:04] <deftone> k thanks guys
[22:04] <x-X-x> sorry guys but can someone help me in updating to intrepid without me having to empty out my harddrive? if possible online? i have already tried sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade but it returns that nothing needs upgrading but i am still hardy
[22:04] <ardchoille> there's probably an icon in systemsettings for that too
[22:05] <ardchoille> x-X-x: those commands don't upgrade to the next release
[22:05] <ardchoille> !upgrade
[22:05] <x-X-x> i have seent hat page
[22:05] <x-X-x> and it doesnt work for me
[22:05] <sparr> is there a way to say "i want to see the default desktop stuff" when upgrading to intrepid, short of deleting ~/.kde ?
[22:06] <adrien> ok in #kde channel they told me I have to install nvidia closed source  and nvidia-config what is it ?
[22:06] <ardchoille> sparr: kde4 uses plasma, the desktop is very different than the one in kde3
[22:06] <x-X-x> sparr u referring to me >
[22:06] <x-X-x> ?*
[22:06] <sparr> ardchoille: and?
[22:06] <delilaz> how can I remove the xpti.dat from the components directory of mozilla browser? anyone???
[22:06] <sparr> ardchoille: that's part of why i want to see it
[22:06] <favro> delilaz: look in ~/.mozilla for it
[22:06] <ardchoille> sparr: the desktop in kde4 is managed by plasma, you can add widgets to the desktop and populate it to suit you
[22:07] <sparr> ardchoille: i already know that
[22:07] <delilaz> ok favro, thanks :)
[22:07] <ardchoille> sparr: the default desktop in kde4/Kubuntu Intrepid only has one widget, the desktop folder
[22:07] <stdin> sparr: removing ~/.kde/share/config/plasmarc will reset plasma to defaults, and so reset the desktop too
[22:07] <kleinehexe_14> hi
[22:07] <stdin> removing _or_ just moving actually :)
[22:08] <sparr> maybe i should be more specific.  im talking about everything in the "kde experience", not just stuff on the desktop.  layout, themes, etc
[22:08] <sparr> stdin: im not using kde4 now
[22:08] <tbr281> where do i go to change my login screen?
[22:08] <kleinehexe_14> after installing intrepid alsa doesn't find my HDA-alc888
[22:08] <x-X-x> ardchoille: adept manager for me crashes all the time after crashing my router so is there a command i can use which doesnt rely on adept? cos adept hardy i stay away from, i never had this problem in kde3
[22:08] <kleinehexe_14> does anybody know why?
[22:08] <sparr> i want to see what a new kubuntu user would see
[22:08] <tbr281> i installed kde4 and loved its login screen but then there was an update and it changed
[22:09] <stdin> sparr: create a new user?
[22:09] <sparr> i want to see what a new kubuntu user would see after they installed all the things that i have installed
[22:09] <ardchoille> x-X-x: to install/remove software? you can use sudo apt-get or sudo aptitude
[22:09] <ubuntu__> ubuntu devs,bring back xmms
[22:10] <PuffMaN> is there any way to change the server my kubuntu downloads his updates from?
[22:10] <sparr> ubuntu__: xmms was removed from debian, take your fight there.  i tried and failed :(
[22:10] <stdin> ubuntu__: it's no longer maintained upstream, hasn't been for a while
[22:10] <PuffMaN> im stuck at this crappy belgian server
[22:10] <ubuntu__> ok
[22:10] <ubuntu__> thx
[22:10] <ardchoille> ubuntu__: there's xmms2 in the repos
[22:10] <sparr> stdin: who cares about "no longer maintained"?  it still WORKS
[22:10] <PeperJohnny> PuffMaN: editing sources.list
[22:10] <sparr> ardchoille: xmms2 has nothing to do with xmms
[22:10] <PuffMaN> aye sweet
[22:10] <ubuntu__> i want xmms
[22:10] <ubuntu__> period
[22:10] <sparr> ubuntu__: i had to build it myself :(
[22:10] <x-X-x> ardchoille no i meant this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades the section "Network Upgrade for Kubuntu Desktops (Recommended)" that relies on adept
[22:10] <stdin> sparr: security problems and updates will not be fixed
[22:11] <ardchoille> x-X-x: ah, ok
[22:11] <stdin> PuffMaN: from Adept, Adept -> Manage Repositories
[22:11] <stdin> x-X-x: see the server upgrade option
[22:11] <ubuntu__> xmms=linux
[22:11] <sparr> stdin: when there is a security problem, ill accept that answer
[22:11] <x-X-x> k
[22:11] <delilaz> would xpti.dat be immediately visible in the .mozilla folder??
[22:11] <stdin> sparr: do you know for sure there aren't any?
[22:12] <stdin> and you'll have to get it into debian before ubuntu will take it
[22:12] <sparr> there werent any reported last time i looked at the debian BTS for it
[22:12] <delilaz> nevermind I found it
[22:13] <x-X-x> tanks a bunch !
[22:13] <dr_willis> ubuntu__,  ask the xmms devs to get to work on updateing the various issues that  xmms has.. ( aparently theres several)
[22:13] <ubuntu__> ok
[22:13] <ubuntu__> i do
[22:13] <sparr> dr_willis: that is a bogus answer.  there are plenty of packages in ubuntu updated less than xmms
[22:14] <ubuntu__> so what?
[22:14] <ardchoille> sparr: the fact that there weren't any reported doesn't mean there aren't any right now, and there could be more in the future
[22:14] <dr_willis> sparr,    so.
[22:14] <sparr> ardchoille: that argument applies to any package.
[22:14] <ardchoille> indeed
[22:14] <sparr> so it's moot in this discussion
[22:14] <x-X-x> lol it aborted because i needed an extra 30mb free space
[22:14] <draik> !kde
[22:14] <stdin> the argument is pointless, it's not in intrepid and the earliest it'll reappear is jaunty
[22:14] <dr_willis> i imagine the xmms stuff is discussed to death in the forums as popular as xmms is/was -  the debian forums also proberly have a huge thread or 3 on it.
[22:15] <sparr> stdin: it wasnt in hardy either
[22:15] <bukharin> HALP!
[22:15] <ubuntu__> i will change back to edgy
[22:15] <ubuntu__> :((
[22:15] <dr_willis> ubuntu__,  this is linux..do what you like.
[22:15] <sparr> ubuntu__: you can mix distros
[22:15] <ubuntu__> ok
[22:15] <bukharin> i gots a problem: kwin doesn't start when i logon with my user... any ideas on where should i even begin looking?!?
[22:15] <belim> hey, dont know if anyone can offer any advice? :) i installed ubuntu-xen-desktop to test out xen for virtulising and now i dont have my system wont see my wireless card and i cant get into hardware drivers any more
[22:15] <ubuntu__> all right
[22:15] <bukharin> please T_T
[22:15] <sparr> i have numerous edgy and feisty packages installed
[22:15] <dr_willis> going to a lot of work for just a media player...
[22:16] <ubuntu__> linux without xmms s>>ks
[22:16] <sparr> dr_willis: do you have a replacement for it that does everything xmms does?
[22:16] <stdin> ubuntu__: edgy reached End Of Life in April 2008
[22:16] <PuffMaN> oh sweet this is way faster
[22:16] <ubuntu__> i dont care
[22:16] <PuffMaN> <3
[22:16] <bukharin> ubuntu_ why wuld you change back to edgy?
[22:17] <ubuntu__> for xmms
[22:17] <ubuntu__> .....
[22:17] <ardchoille> ubuntu__: Have you tried Feisty or Hardy?
[22:17] <dr_willis> sparr,  make a list..  and start looking.. I dont care about 'everything' xmms does..
[22:17] <stdin> grab a tarball and compile
[22:17] <ubuntu__> yes
[22:17] <draik> dr_willis: I think my main issue is that I can't even have the device come up at all to determine what it is.
[22:17] <dr_willis> i just need a player that does what I need..
[22:17] <ubuntu__> huge lag here
[22:17] <ubuntu__> :)
[22:18] <sparr> stdin: a lot of the libraries [versions] xmms needs arent in debian or ubuntu any more, it's a big dependency mess to build it all by hand
[22:18] <belim> does anyone know what would of happened?
[22:18] <x-X-x> k thnks stdin again and ardchoille i has to leave yas
[22:18] <ubuntu__> sparr ur right
[22:19] <dr_willis> belim,  ive heard the xen kernel has issues with some of the drivers for wireless/video..
[22:19] <sparr> 2308 upgraded, 294 newly installed, 98 to remove and 9 not upgraded.  <--  id like to diagnose the "9 not upgraded", where should i start?
[22:19] <ubuntu__> only xmms work with streamtuner here
[22:20] <sparr> The following packages have been kept back:  freedoom icedax kde-guidance-powermanager kdvi kfind libavcodec1d lives prboom svgatextmode
[22:20] <ubuntu__> amd streamripper
[22:20] <belim> oh. does it actually replace the kernel then? i dont have any issues with gfx since
[22:20] <jannott> WTF! Firefox just closed it-self or something :(
[22:20] <dr_willis> 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'  -   try to upgrade thos others? ive seen it do so some times on my systems.
[22:20] <belim> just cant get into hardware manager and i have lost wireless
[22:20] <OvermindDL1> When I scroll my mouse wheel down, it scrolls as expected, but if I scroll my mouse wheel up, it scrolls *all* the way down to the bottom, why would it be doing this (and this is after a restart)?
[22:20] <dr_willis> belim,  I thought it used the xen enabled kernel. but ive never messed with xen much. Ive jsut heard oterhs in here  complain about xen kernels and their hardware drivers
[22:21] <sparr> dr_willis: id rather know why they are kept back
[22:21] <belim> oh right ok
[22:21] <belim> thats a place to start looking then! :) thanks
[22:22] <dr_willis> i noticed theotehr day.. only k3b was kept back onme.. and i think that was because of me using k3b from medibuntu repo.
[22:22] <capiira_> hi i just started kubuntu 8.10 live dc and my screen is vertically stretched, any hints ?
[22:23] <sparr> capiira_: change resolution
[22:23] <belim> is there a log anywhere of what packages are installed/removed?
[22:23] <capiira_> yeah but how to access it ?
[22:23] <belim> i used synaptic to install it
[22:23] <capiira_> i cant see anything, everything is so big
[22:23] <dr_willis> by 'big' you mean the fonts/icons are huge? thus you actually mean a 'low-res' ?
[22:24] <capiira_> just seeing 1/4 of the desk
[22:24] <ardchoille> belim: Open synaptic and go to File > History
[22:24] <belim> nice one
[22:24] <capiira_> is there a command to call the resolution changing app of kde ?
[22:24] <dr_willis> capiira_,  does the desktop 'pan/scroll' ?
[22:24] <capiira_> no
[22:25] <dr_willis> capiira_,  what video card you have anyway?   I noticed the live cd was using the vesa driver on some of my nvidia machines.. thus getting the res wrong.
[22:25] <capiira_> i have a nvidia 9800gt
[22:25] <capiira_> also tried vesa mode
[22:26] <capiira_> no way i get the same effect
[22:26] <dr_willis> vesa mode will be a lower res.    ive noticed the xorg.conf getting set to use vesa when it should be using the 'nv' driver.
[22:27] <dr_willis> I was able to Install. then fix the res by installing the proper nvidia drivers.. it was just a bother the live cd had the wrong res
[22:27] <capiira_> if i could just call over att+f2 the resolution change app of kde that would probably help
[22:27] <dr_willis> capiira_,  not if the driver is the issue.
[22:28] <dr_willis> i dontuse kde4 enough to know the name of that tool. I know under ubuntu/gnome it did not show the higher res's for me. :(
[22:28] <capiira_> gnome works fine here
[22:28] <ardchoille> capiira_: kcmshell displayconfig   ?
[22:28] <dr_willis> its weird that the res's would be differnet on a ubuntu vs kubuntu live cd.. since they are using the same core stuff.
[22:28] <capiira_> let me try
[22:29] <khelll> am getting this error when trying to upgrade "Error authenticating some packages " , here is my sources.list http://pastie.org/305628 , what should i keep???
[22:29] <dr_willis> Im using a usb-thimb drive made to be bootable by the ubuntu-usb-drive tool   - too bad i cant figure out how to make it use the nvidia drivers
[22:30] <belim> whats the difference between mark for removal and mark for complete removal ?
[22:30] <ardchoille> felipe_: complete removal purge config files
[22:30] <dr_willis> I think the complete is the 'purge' option that removes all configs as well
[22:30] <capiira_> nothing shows up
[22:31] <ardchoille> felipe_: typo, sorry
[22:31] <capiira_> --list also shows nothing
[22:32] <capiira_> kcmshell --list
[22:32] <ardchoille> capiira_: kcmshell --list returns nothing?
[22:32] <capiira_> yep
[22:32] <sparr> belim: complete removal is --purge and removes configuration files, only do that if youre not reinstalling the package, or need to reinstall it "clean"
[22:32] <belim> thanks
[22:32] <ardchoille> capiira_: systemsettings > Computer Administration > Monitor & Display  ?
[22:33] <capiira_> i cant see systemsettings heh
[22:33] <dr_willis> note that purgeing the configs will NOT remove user setting files in their home dirs..  :)
[22:33] <capiira_> i cant see the whole taskbar
[22:33] <capiira_> hehe just top of screen
[22:33] <ardchoille> capiira_: alt+f2 and type in systemsettings
[22:33] <dr_willis> You do have some weird video issues then capiira_
[22:33] <ardchoille> I'll bet it's a driver issue
[22:33] <capiira_> cool
[22:34] <capiira_> did show up the system settings:D
[22:34] <capiira_> finaly thanks
[22:34] <dr_willis> if you are just wanting to get the thing installed.. you could start the installer, thenuse the alt-key to alt-click and drag windows around so you can see them all :)
[22:34] <ardchoille> yw
[22:34] <capiira_> :S what a bug :D
[22:34] <sparr> is there a way to get apt (or aptitude or similar) to display a tree-ish view of how packages are causing each other to be installed/removed?
[22:36] <gsa10132> hmm.. I created 'docs' in /mnt as root... then 'chown joe docs' .. but when I mount with 'mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/docs' root is the owner and 'joe' have no rw permission.. what gives?
[22:36] <capiira_> trying kde4 for the first time
[22:36] <dr_willis> gsa10132,  when you mount somtning.. the permisions of the mount 'point' dont matter..
[22:36] <dr_willis> gsa10132,  what filesystem is /dev/sdb1 ?
[22:37] <gsa10132> dr_willis: its ext3.. and "joe" is the owner of all files on /dev/sdb1
[22:37] <dr_willis> AFTER you mount ext2/3 you could chown/chmod the mountpoint to  affect the filesystem
[22:37] <dr_willis> I think.. :)
[22:37] <gsa10132> oh, hmm..
[22:37] <ardchoille> dr_willis: you can and that's what I do to get perms on the device
[22:37] <dr_willis> Note that with vfat/ntfs.. this dosent apply :)
[22:37] <gsa10132> could that be done automatically? Im mounting the via fstab
[22:38] <hagebake> removing those kde/kubuntu packages removed network manager too :/
[22:38] <gsa10132> the = them
[22:38] <dr_willis> ardchoille,  yea. i never really noticed it worked that way. id always given theuser a directory on /media/sda1/USERSTUFF  sort of thing..
[22:38] <ardchoille> dr_willis: same here
[22:38] <dr_willis> gsa10132,  mount the thing, chmod/chown the  filesystem... then it should work.
[22:39] <gsa10132> dr_wills: and when I reboot, I have to make the changes again?
[22:39] <ardchoille> gsa10132: no, the perms should stick if you did it with sudo chown/chmod
[22:39] <gsa10132> ardchoille: cool, thanks
[22:40] <gsa10132> so, I can basically mount in fstab with /dev/sdb1 /mnt/docs ext3 defaults 0 0 and then just change the permissions afterwards on /mnt/docs and everything will stick?
[22:41]  * kolla is still looking for kde3 for 8.10
[22:41] <kolla> surely I cant be allone?
[22:41] <ardchoille> kolla: I don't think you're going to find it :)
[22:41] <gsa10132> I thought 8.10 was KDE4 only?
[22:41] <ardchoille> 8.10 is kde4 only
[22:41] <gsa10132> then I thought right :)
[22:42] <SlimeyPete> I tink I'm gonna skip 8.10 on my kubuntu box
[22:42] <kolla> ardchoille: why not?
[22:43] <ardchoille> kolla: because Kubuntu is moving forward, and kde4 is the new default
[22:43] <gsa10132> yay! the permissions stuck! Good stuff, thanks for helping out guys
[22:43] <kolla> ok, guess that means no more kubuntu then
[22:43] <ardchoille> kolla: Don't give up, try 9.04 when it's released.
[22:43] <ardchoille> it should be much better
[22:43] <kolla> well, screw that
[22:43] <kolla> I need something that works now, not in april
[22:44] <ardchoille> Hardy works great right now :)
[22:44] <gsa10132> isnt 8.04 working for you?
[22:44] <Dragnslcr> kolla- because the KDE developers won't be supporting KDE3 in 18 months
[22:44] <kolla> guess I better downgrade to hardy yes
[22:44] <kolla> Dragnslcr: well, screw them too
[22:44] <Dragnslcr> Gotta love that attitude
[22:44] <kolla> yeah
[22:45]  * dr_willis likes jwm+rox-filer :)
[22:45] <Dragnslcr> Software moves forward. You get used to it after a few years
[22:45] <dr_willis> But jwmroxbuntu  is a funny name. :)
[22:45] <kolla> "forward"?
[22:45] <Dragnslcr> Hehe
[22:45] <deftone> how do i install plugins for gimp??
[22:45] <kolla> I dont need to get used to, I can put my business elsewhere
[22:45]  * dr_willis rembers using GEOS on his C64 and thinking it was cutting edge
[22:45] <Dragnslcr> kolla- are you paying for Kubuntu?
[22:45] <dr_willis> kolla,  this is linux.. do what you want..
[22:45] <ardchoille> dr_willis: GEOS was cool
[22:46] <kolla> Dragnslcr: yes
[22:46] <dr_willis> I can pretty much do whatever work i need done in any of the various windowmanagers/desktops
[22:46] <Dragnslcr> I was too young to do anything cooler than cheesy BASIC programs on my C64
[22:46] <draik> Update on laptop 2 is underway... 400 packages left! :)
[22:46] <Dragnslcr> kolla- then call up Canonical and ask how long they'll be supporting Kubuntu 8.04
[22:46] <ardchoille> kolla: there's a thought, have you thought about using another window manager in 8.10? There are lots of nice window managers
[22:46] <kolla> at work, ubuntu is the distribution we're supposed to use - it is now upgraded to 8.10
[22:47] <kolla> and my perfectly usable and productive kde3 vanished
[22:47] <Dragnslcr> Your company upgraded systems the day a new version was released?
[22:47] <PuffMaN> i know ur feeling
[22:47] <kolla> I now sit with comepletely useless and non-productive kde4 - it costs
[22:47] <Dragnslcr> That's pretty brave
[22:47] <dr_willis> 'completely useless and non-productive'  - Hmm...
[22:47] <Dragnslcr> Sounds like you need to talk to your IT department
[22:48] <kolla> I'm in the IT department, I'm doing the testing
[22:48] <christian> anyone knows about ext2 ifs under win xp and "inode size" error?
[22:48] <Dragnslcr> Uh
[22:48] <kolla> looks like we might need to look at using some other distro now
[22:48] <Dragnslcr> Then isn't this what you get paid to do?
[22:48] <heinkel_111> ok...I installed intrepid on a computer and then started fiddling with desktop effects in the system settings panel and now the screen just does not redraw properly
[22:48] <dr_willis> sounds like someone should of done some research.
[22:48] <heinkel_111> which settings file do I nuke to fix this
[22:48] <heinkel_111> ?
[22:48] <Dragnslcr> dr_willis- sounds like someone is supposed to be doing the research right now
[22:49] <kolla> Dragnslcr: amongst other things, yes
[22:49] <Dragnslcr> And is complaining about the results of said research
[22:49]  * dr_willis wonders what  is so different in kde4 vs 3 that makes it 'comletely' useless...
[22:50] <dr_willis> normally its the apps you run. that you do work in..
[22:50] <Dragnslcr> If you don't like the current version of KDE4, then recommend that you not upgrade to Kubuntu 8.10 yet
[22:50] <gsa10132> what is the "reasonable" default permission to have on a folder? chmod 770?
[22:50] <marekt> hi is there any X app for connectviabluetooth to HSDPA enabled phone?
[22:50] <marekt> im using connection via console
[22:50] <christian> anyone knows about ext2 ifs under win xp and "inode size" error?
[22:50] <Dragnslcr> gsa10132- depends on what it is. 770 or 775 sounds about right
[22:50] <marekt> but i heard ibex has a 3G suport
[22:50] <ardchoille> gsa10132: keep in mind that if you remove the "x" bit on a folder, you could lock users out
[22:51] <kolla> dr_willis: so you're saying it doesnt matter if the desktop enviroment totally blows, as long as I have the apps?
[22:51] <kolla> brilliant
[22:51] <dr_willis> christian,  the more i used that ext2 IFS under xp/vista the more issues ive had with it... - I would suggest you enable it, access your data. then disable it asap..
[22:51] <gsa10132> Dragnslcr: it's a docs folder, with some documents, music and pictures in it
[22:51] <dr_willis> kolla,  basially yes..
[22:51] <Dragnslcr> gsa10132- do you want other users and/or groups to be able to see the files?
[22:51] <kolla> right, so twm and xterm is all I need then
[22:51] <ardchoille> kolla: fluxbox, openbox, enlightenment, etc.. there are lots of cool window managers in the repos
[22:51] <dr_willis> I can do the same 'work' in gnome as in kde, as in jwm, and fluxbox, whatever...
[22:51] <kolla> me too, but it takes longer
[22:52] <dr_willis> kolla,  many people still use twm, and i do use xterm
[22:52] <kolla> yeah, I know people who live in caves too
[22:52] <dr_willis> some times i switch desktops depending on the task i am doing..
[22:52] <gsa10132> Dragnslcr: I have three users except the root user.. me, my wife and popcorn hour.. me and my wife should have write access, I think popcorn is good with read-only
[22:52] <Dragnslcr> I've been using KDE4 since 4.1.0, and it's worked fine for me
[22:52] <dr_willis> i knwo people who rant and rave on irc all day also..
[22:52] <Dragnslcr> gsa10132- is your wife's user in the group that owns the files?
[22:52] <christian> dr_willis what should i enable?
[22:52] <kolla> anyways, this is totalyl beside the point - my question, as ubuntu/kubuntu user is - why is 3.5.10 removed?
[22:52] <ardchoille> I feel that some of this needs to move to #kubuntu-offtopic
[22:53] <gsa10132> Drgnslcr: Im not even sure what group that is right now.. I'm just now learning about users/permissions/groups
[22:53] <Dragnslcr> kolla- I told you, because the KDE developers won't be supporting KDE3 for the time that Ubuntu requires support
[22:53] <kolla> I mean, there are heaploads of old crappy software in ubuntu - kde-3.5.10 is neither crappy, nor old - why was it removed?
[22:53] <dr_willis> christian,  when using IFS under xp/vista i enable it..  using their control=panel tool, access my data from my linux box,, then i turn it off.. so i dont accidently mess up the linux filesystems
[22:53] <kolla> Dragnslcr: so?
[22:54] <ardchoille> kolla: So if upstream isn't supporting it, kubuntu devs can't realy do it either
[22:54] <Dragnslcr> gsa10132- probably make it 775, then you can add your wife to the group that owns the files
[22:54] <kolla> Dragnslcr: that's still 18 months away, what about all the software in ubuntu that doesnt have any support from developers?
[22:54] <favro> kde3 will be supported as long as hardy is
[22:54] <Dragnslcr> kolla- none of it is nearly as critical to the system as KDE is to Kubuntu
[22:54] <dr_willis> with every release it seems thers a few packages that get removed due to lack of support.
[22:54] <kolla> I mean, ubuntu shipped with totally unsupported and ancient libldap _for years_
[22:55] <christian> dr_willis sorry for bad english :(, you mean restart windows disable IFS start linux and then reboot in windows and enable just driver when needed?
[22:55] <kolla> and btw... ldap support in kde4 also seems broken, from the little I have tested
[22:55] <dr_willis> christian,  check the IFS docs.. You can 'mount' a ext2 drive and unmount it. using the IFS control-panel too. No need to reboot.
[22:55] <gsa10132> Dragnslcr: cool, will do that.. drwx------ 15 joe root 4096 2008-09-13 10:26 backup <--- "joe" is owner.. is "root" group or creator? if not group, how do I check what group owns the file?
[22:55] <kolla> all my kdeaddressbook-conncted apps complain about ldap upon launch
[22:56] <kolla> but I havent really looked into what it might be
[22:56] <Dragnslcr> gsa10132- yup, the group is root
[22:56] <Dragnslcr> gsa10132- might be worth changing it to joe
[22:56] <gsa10132> cool, how do I know what group "joe" is in?
[22:56] <gsa10132> oh, joe is group joe? :)
[22:56] <Dragnslcr> gsa10132- usually, yeah
[22:56] <dr_willis> Yep. each user has theor own group. :)
[22:57] <Dragnslcr> I know if you open Konsole as 'joe' and type 'groups', it'll tell you what groups joe is in
[22:57] <Dragnslcr> I'm sure the User Manager can tell you the same thing somewhere
[22:57] <christian> dr_willis: ah think i got it: reboot into windows now (im under kubuntu at moment) unmount drive with ifs and mount it again?! but i dont really got option to "(un)mount" but i can see what i get :)
[22:57] <christian> thx so far :)
[22:57] <gsa10132> fair enough.. so I change the group to "joe" on all files/folders and when time comes, I just add the wifes login name to the group "joe" ?
[22:58] <Dragnslcr> gsa10132- that will do it
[22:58] <gsa10132> cool, thanks
[22:58] <dr_willis> christian,  explore that tool.. the IFS tool lets you assign a drive letter  to the ext2 and then unassign it. (thus my use of the term mount)  I always UNASSIGN the letters  as as soon as i can.
[22:58] <Dragnslcr> If you don't want your wife to have access to other files owned by the group 'joe', you can also create a new group, make the files owned by that group, and add both users to the group
[22:59] <gsa10132> Dragnslcr: I assume I can set up any kind of groups I like? like "admin", "kid", "guest" and so on and give them separate permissions?
[22:59] <Dragnslcr> Yup
[22:59] <Dragnslcr> 'admin' might already exist
[22:59] <gsa10132> ok
[22:59] <dr_willis> I got a 'guest' user :)
[22:59] <gsa10132> can multiple groups own a single file?
[22:59] <gsa10132> or how does that work out?
[23:00] <Dragnslcr> Nope, a file can only be owned by one user and one group
[23:00] <gsa10132> hmm.. but a user can be in multiple groups then I assume?
[23:00] <goofey> it appears that installing firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 (using adept or synaptec) requires the installation of many gnome files - is this correct?
[23:00] <Dragnslcr> I think SELinux can do more advanced permissions, but I haven't heard much about it lately
[23:01] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, a user can be in as many groups as you want
[23:01] <gsa10132> if I set up "joe" to be in all groups I would have no issues with accessing all files, no matter then permission levels?
[23:02] <gsa10132> then = the
[23:02] <Dragnslcr> No, it would still follow the group permissions on files
[23:02] <Dragnslcr> (the second number)
[23:02] <gsa10132> ah, okay, but "joe" will be the owner of all files, if he's in all groups? :)
[23:02] <ardchoille> gsa10132: you don't want to put joe in every group
[23:02] <gsa10132> hmm, okay
[23:03] <Dragnslcr> No, but he'd have group permissions to all files
[23:03] <Dragnslcr> So he still wouldn't have access to a file that's 700
[23:03] <gsa10132> so, how do I restrict "guest" from accessing certain folders for example?
[23:04] <goofey> join #ubuntu-release-party
[23:04] <goofey> (sorry)
[23:05] <Dragnslcr> Make sure 'guest' isn't in the group that owns the file and that the file is something like 770
[23:05] <gsa10132> okay.. so setting all files everywhere (at least the non-system ones) to 770 is a good practice?
[23:05] <wesley__> can i change the interface so that the buttons above in window are in the left like osx has?
[23:06] <Dragnslcr> gsa10132- not really
[23:07] <gsa10132> hehe, Im confused :)
[23:07] <ardchoille> wesley__: yes, systemsettings > Look & Feel > Appearance > Window Decorations > Buttons tab
[23:07] <Dragnslcr> I'd suggest not changing the permissions on anything outside of /home
[23:07] <Dragnslcr> The system knows what they should be better than you do
[23:08] <gsa10132> Dragnslcr: Im not mounting my personal files to home.. but maybe I should? Im mounting my documents to /mnt
[23:08] <wesley__> i gotn kde4
[23:09] <kolla> any non-official kde3 repos for intrepid then?
[23:09] <kolla> seriously, I'd rather not change distro again
[23:09] <Dragnslcr> gsa10132- that's fine, you can do stuff with permissions on directories under /mnt
[23:09] <gsa10132> okay, cool
[23:09] <Dragnslcr> gsa10132- I was talking more about /etc and /usr
[23:09] <Dragnslcr> Places that have system files in them
[23:09] <gsa10132> I'll keep it that way then.. it's easier to set up samba and NFS from /mnt
[23:09] <kolla> being ubuntu user should not be the equivalent of being a test bunny for kde4 development
[23:10] <stdin> you are not forced to upgrade, so don't
[23:11] <kolla> stdin: screw you
[23:11] <robin> I just installed 8.10 it isnt as responsive as I would like, must be all the extra work my video card has to do, has do i fix this
[23:11] <stdin> !language > kolla
[23:11] <gsa10132> Dragnslcr: Thanks for taking the time :)
[23:11] <Dragnslcr> gsa10132- you're welcome. That's what we're here for
[23:12] <robin> and how go I check for updates in 8.10
[23:12] <kolla> ok then.. twist you
[23:12] <wesley__> kde4.2 is fucking stable guys
[23:12] <kolla> hey, he said the f-word!
[23:12] <stdin> wesley__: watch your language
[23:13] <Dragnslcr> kolla- if you don't like it, that's your opinion. If you really are in an IT department that's evaluating 8.10, then make your concerns part of your report
[23:13] <kolla> there
[23:13] <kolla> there's nothing perv about a screw unless you make it
[23:13] <Dragnslcr> wesley__- is it even alpha yet?
[23:13] <wesley__> stdin sorry
[23:13] <stdin> 8.10 is not offered automatically, you have to choose it
[23:14] <wesley__> Dragnsicr kde4 is stable since 4.0 and useable since 4.1 , but 8.10 was said to be cutting edge
[23:14] <kolla> enough of this crap.. this entire enforced kde4 stuff is pissing me off enough to drop using both kde alltogether, I guess that is the plan, huh
[23:15] <Dragnslcr> wesley__- 4.1.2 is working reasonably well for me, but I didn't think 4.2 was even close to ready yet
[23:15] <Preu> 4.1.2 is pretty much flawless for me.
[23:16] <robin> anyone know wher ei can go for a little help?
[23:16] <draik> 200 packages left for the upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10
[23:16] <ardchoille> robin: You're in the right channel for kubuntu support
[23:16] <x-X-x> k
[23:16] <wesley__> kolla use lts then
[23:17] <Dragnslcr> Only problem I have in 4.1.2 is knotify crashing (it worked in 4.1.0)
[23:17] <Preu> One thing I miss from KDE 3.5 is the two rows of system tray icons and task buttons
[23:17] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I'm with you on that
[23:17] <x-X-x> what do i press when in terminal it says
[23:17] <x-X-x> ~
[23:17] <x-X-x> (END)
[23:17] <x-X-x> sorry spam
[23:17] <wesley__> in jan kde4.2
[23:18] <ardchoille> x-X-x: is it a man page?
[23:18] <x-X-x> yeah
[23:18] <ardchoille> x-X-x: press the q key
[23:18] <x-X-x> k
[23:18] <x-X-x> thnx
[23:18] <ardchoille> yw
[23:18] <wesley__> atleast kde does grow, we cant say that off gnome it still looks the same
[23:18] <x-X-x> im just very paranoid when doing installation or updates as i dont want to get anything wrong
[23:19] <robin> cool, how can I ajust or turn off all the facny stuff in 8.10 I think my video card is taking a poundy as my systm is a little slow opening app and stuff, its odd as i have 8800gts and a dual core but
[23:19] <ardchoille> x-X-x: totally understandable
[23:21] <ardchoille> My only disappointment is that kcontrol is gone, but I'll adapt
[23:21] <robin> any help would be great
[23:21] <wesley__> systemsetting
[23:21] <ardchoille> wesley__: It's good but not quite the same
[23:21] <wesley__> systemsetting > desktop
[23:22] <wesley__> and then some button like deactivate
[23:22] <Ralesk> can someone explain to me why cmake believes that kde4 is located in the prefix /usr/lib/kde4/ still, when it's NOT so on intrepid?
[23:22] <robin> cool thx
[23:22] <tacosarecool> hello
[23:23] <ardchoille> cool nick :)
[23:23] <niels_> can somebody help me please?
[23:23]  * Ralesk has been trying to compile something that was very easily compilable on hardy, but doesn't want to work whatsoever on intrepid.
[23:24] <robin> I havnt seen any problems with new kde. how where do i check for updates
[23:24] <ardchoille> Ralesk: kde4 uses a different toolkit than kde3 did, perhaps that's the issue
[23:24] <tacosarecool> help me please
[23:24] <tacosarecool> Settings aren't sticking
[23:25] <ardchoille> tacosarecool: help with what?
[23:25] <ardchoille> oh
[23:25] <Ralesk> ardchoille: I'm talking about KDE4.  the program depends on kde4 libs.
[23:25] <ardchoille> Ralesk: Ah, ok
[23:26] <ardchoille> Ralesk: which app is it?
[23:26] <Ralesk> kmess2
[23:26] <Ralesk> I've been happily compiling and testing it under hardy, installed intrepid, installed kdelibs5-dev and cmake now doesn't know where its arse is, pretty much.
[23:27] <wesley__> !aptfix
[23:27] <niels_> help, i'm dual booting xp and kubuntu (xp installed) first. XP is installed on one HD and Kubuntu on the other. Butt when i browse the first hd in kubuntu a lot of folders (like some in program files) aren't displayed (or found).
[23:27] <Ralesk> niels_: I have a feeling those are accented character ones? :)
[23:28] <niels_> nope
[23:28] <Ralesk> hmm, then it's not the bug I was aware of
[23:29] <niels_> aaaaah wait
[23:29] <niels_> srry found it myself
[23:29] <niels_> my first hd had 2 partitions
[23:29] <niels_> and one was some old xp installation that died
[23:29] <niels_> and now i've found the other one
[23:30] <niels_> thanks for your help anyways :D
[23:30] <shadowhywind> hay anyone around to help setup a gamepad/joystick?
[23:30] <shadowhywind> When i plug it in, one joystick acts as the mouse, and none of the buttons are seen via xev
[23:31] <fishtales> Hello everyone. Does someone have a few minutes to spare to help a newly Ubuntu praised user? I have recently updated to Intrepid from Hardy Heron and seem to be experiencing troubles with the new nVidia drivers (which I realize I am not the only one having problems with).
[23:32] <ubuntu> sorry i dont know a thing i am just here looking
[23:33] <shadowhywind> fishtales: let me guess screen going all crazy like?
[23:34] <fishtales> No actually not, I just can't seem to get the drivers to acutally become enabled.
[23:34] <shadowhywind> oh
[23:35] <fishtales> I ran nvidia-xconfig as root and installed the nvidia-glx-173 drivers with  apt-get install nvidia-glx-173
[23:36] <fishtales> All then goes well until:
[23:36] <fishtales> Adding Module to DKMS build system
[23:36] <fishtales> driver version= 173.14.12
[23:36] <fishtales> Doing initial module build
[23:36] <fishtales> The first error looks like this:
[23:36] <fishtales> Error! Your kernel source for kernel 2.6.24-21-generic cannot be found at
[23:36] <fishtales> /lib/modules/2.6.24-21-generic/build or /lib/modules/2.6.24-21-generic/source.
[23:36] <fishtales> Installing initial module
[23:37] <fishtales> This is quickly followed by:
[23:37] <fishtales> Error! Could not locate nvidia.ko for module nvidia in the DKMS tree.
[23:37] <fishtales> You must run a dkms build for kernel 2.6.24-21-generic (i686) first.
[23:37] <fishtales> Done.
[23:38] <fishtales> So I was wondering what the dkms build command actually does and how I should proceed.
[23:38] <favro> afaik you need the kernel headers for your version
[23:39] <fishtales> Okay, so I just "fix" that with the dkms build command for the 2.6.24-21-generic (i686) kernel?
[23:42] <mikem> Just upgraded to Kubuntu 8.10. Now right click on .gz file doen't show extract here. How do I fix it?
[23:42] <favro> fishtales: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[23:43] <Ralesk> what the heck.
[23:43] <Ralesk> I set about FOUR times already that my KDE style should be QtCurve, yet, when I login again, it's Oxygen again.
[23:44] <Ralesk> same with the mouse cursor.  I had to remove the oxygen cursor in order to it not get shoved in my face with every login.
[23:44] <fishtales> favro, still getting the same errors :/
[23:45] <Ralesk> and the run dialog doesn't remember my commands.  brilliant
[23:45] <Ralesk> *sigh*
[23:46] <fishtales> *offers Ralesk a pint* There there, it'll work out eventually, right?
[23:46] <favro> !dkms | fishtales
[23:46] <mikem> right click on .iso doesn't show burn using k3b. What the heck is wrong with kde4?
[23:47] <Ralesk> great thing that intrepid doesn't even come with an installable kde3 at all.  good decision :/
[23:47] <ardchoille> mikem: Perhaps try making your own Actions for Dolphin?
[23:47] <mikem> Why?
[23:47] <gsa10132> Im having a brain freeze.. what's the command for checking out a folders size including it's subfolders?
[23:47] <ardchoille> mikem: these were known as "service menus" in konqueror
[23:48] <dr_willis> gsa10132,  'du'
[23:48] <gsa10132> doh, thanks
[23:52] <condon> I can't find my Wine installed programs anywhere in the menu... how do I run windows aps I've installed with wine?
[23:52] <condon> (8.10 ubuntu, kde 4.something)
[23:52] <mikem> looks like there is a plugin on kde-apps.org for this service menu but the linked to site is down. Anyone know where else to get it?
[23:52] <dr_willis> wine .wine/drive_c/program files/whatever.exe     condon
[23:53] <ubuntu> Wine saymaall
[23:53] <dr_willis> or cd .wine/drive_c/Program Files/programname   ., then wine whatever.exe
[23:53] <condon> So they aren't listed anywhere on the K menu?
[23:53] <draik> How do I get rid of Dolphin without having to remove a bunch of other packages?
[23:53] <ardchoille> draik: you can just switch to konqueror
[23:53] <dr_willis> draik,  i just set Konqueror to be the default filemanager. i dident need to remove dolphin
[23:54] <draik> Ok
[23:54] <dr_willis> !dolphin
[23:54] <draik> I thought I did that, but it's still coming up with dolphin.
[23:56] <aman> UsN_nile-
[23:57] <ardchoille> draik: what packages are being removed with dolphin?