[03:59] <wgrant> How can one delete pages on help.u.c/community? I really don't think we need instructions for Beryl or AIGLX on Edgy any more.
[06:02] <Burgundavia> wgrant: the drop down allows you to do it
[06:04] <wgrant> Burgundavia: Ah, right. It seems I'm unprivileged :(
[06:14] <Burgundavia> wgrant: page linky?
[06:15] <wgrant> Burgundavia: There's a whole set that probably needs to die, and there are others that have needed killing since Breezy. I'll find them.
[06:16] <wgrant> Everything related to Xgl is dead, for example.
[06:18] <wgrant> The AIGLX, Beryl and Xgl pages on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/blah should be dead.
[06:19] <Burgundavia> is there a common page to redirect them to?
[06:19] <wgrant> Some of them already redirect to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[06:19] <Burgundavia> you can redirect the rest
[06:20] <wgrant> I really think they should cease to exist rather than redirect, but sure.
[06:20] <wgrant> They just pollute listings now.
[06:23] <wgrant> Aha.
[06:23] <wgrant> I see some pages are disappearing.
[06:23] <wgrant> Thanks.
[06:42] <wgrant> Burgundavia: Oh yeah, and some Automatix pages slipped in... there's nowhere sane to redirect them to.
[06:42] <Burgundavia> ah giant page about automatix beingevil?
[06:42] <Flannel> heh, about *matix, since now we have "ultamatix" too.
[06:43] <wgrant> Shudder
[06:43] <wgrant> I thought Ultimate Edition would go away.
[06:43] <Flannel> wgrant: We all did
[06:43] <wgrant> But no, once it had Ubuntu removed from its name by Canonical it branched out into Ultamatix.
[06:44] <Flannel> Oh, wgrant, if you're doing cleanup, do you mind figuring out whats going on with the fonts page?  Some guy moved it to w.u.c and made the h.u.c/comm page redirect.  Sort of odd.  I haven't had time to figure out how to contact him (no email, hasn't been on IRC for a while, etc)
[06:44] <Flannel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto
[06:45] <wgrant> Blink.
[06:45] <wgrant> Moved *to* w.u.c?
[06:45] <Flannel> yeah.  odd.
[06:46] <wgrant> Ahh. I was wondering how one was meant to do cross-wiki redirects.
[07:08]  * Madpilot googles for ultamatix's homepage and feels braincells die from the badness of the English here. Oy.
[07:08]  * Madpilot realizes his carefully tweaked XChat will not, in fact, LET him spell "the" as T E H, even for comic effect. Meh.
[07:11] <wgrant> Madpilot: Do you like its home page?
[07:11] <wgrant> It is, IIRC, the one with all the silver gradients.
[07:11] <wgrant> And it's completely impossible to read, both because of the bad theme and because of the non-ENglish.
[07:12] <Madpilot> meant "there" when I said "here" in my line above, actually
[07:12] <wgrant> Maybe that was Ultimate Edition.
[07:12] <wgrant> But it's the same person.
[07:12] <Madpilot> http://ultamatix.com/ <-- this awfullness?
[07:12] <Burgundavia> teh
[07:12] <Burgundavia> teh
[07:12] <Burgundavia> teh
[07:12] <wgrant> I was thinking of http://ultimateedition.info/
[07:12] <wgrant> But they replaced the theme.
[07:13] <Burgundavia> so they make money off their ads I see
[07:13] <wgrant> "This release was built from scratch using Ubuntu Hardy Heron LTS"
[07:13] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, at some point I tweaked Xchat's autoreplace to correct "the".
[07:13] <wgrant> I see.
[07:13] <Burgundavia> ahh
[07:13] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: I was just being dumb
[07:17] <wgrant> Hmm, does ultamatix's website really just state that it's valid CSS and not HTML, or has my connection died? That is mildly amusing.
[07:42] <Burgundavia> wow,there is some seriously old cruft on my system
[07:42] <Burgundavia> something to do with dpkg-divert stuff in breezy
[07:44] <Madpilot> you back on your desktop, or is this laptop cruft?
[07:45] <Burgundavia> desktop
[07:45] <Burgundavia> using Audrey's wonderful huge screen
[07:47] <wgrant> Burgundavia: A couple of my systems got a good cleaning after their Intrepid upgrade; they'd come all the way from Warty.
[07:47] <wgrant> I was amazed at how much cruft there was.
[07:47] <Burgundavia> I am trying to nuke fglrx
[07:47] <Burgundavia> am getting an error looking for an so in X11R6
[07:48] <wgrant> Hmm, I had fglrx leave that around on one of those.
[07:51] <Burgundavia> had to touch and create a bunch of dirs for it not to fail
[07:51] <Burgundavia> very annoy9ing
[07:51] <Burgundavia> anybody got a fresh intrepid system?
[07:51] <Burgundavia> bkac in a falsh, rebooting to see if this takes
[07:51] <Burgundavia> if it doesn',t I won't be back for a bit as I fix my X
[08:13] <Madpilot> I did a clean install for Hardy, was amazed at how much cruft from Breezy onward had accumulated in the old install...
[08:31] <wgrant> It's particularly fun with my laptop, because I always run the development series from a couple of weeks in and do other really nasty things to my system.
[08:31] <wgrant> After a couple of releases it becomes rather bad.
[08:41] <Burgundavia> I guess I should upgrade to intrepid
[08:42] <wgrant> Burgundavia: It'll be a bit slow.
[08:42] <wgrant> I'll upgrade to jaunty next weekend.
[08:44] <Burgundavia> it probably will be
[08:44] <wgrant> a.u.c is absolutely hammered.
[08:45] <wgrant> It seems to be so hammered that it can't even properly sync from the internal mirrors.
[08:45] <Burgundavia> 610 kb/s?
[08:46] <wgrant> Really?
[08:46] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:46] <wgrant> It was hard to connect to 12 hours ago.
[08:46] <Burgundavia> I am maxing out my connection
[08:47] <wgrant> Using some mirror, then?
[08:47] <Burgundavia> I have no idea
[08:47] <Burgundavia> likely not, given .ca redirects to a.u.c
[08:47] <wgrant> Hmm.
[09:09] <Burgundavia> still getting 610ish
[09:10] <mdke> wgrant: in future if no one happens to be around, the way to mark a page for deletion is described on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
[09:11] <mdke> wgrant: it's not open to everyone to delet pages because of issues with breaking links, described on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/DeletingAndRenaming
[09:13] <wgrant> mdke: Thanks. Of course, it shouldn't be open to everybody, but it's probably a bit more restricted than it needs to be...
[09:14]  * Burgundavia realized he forgot to check one or two of those pages...
[09:17] <mdke> wgrant: what's your alternative idea?
[09:18] <Burgundavia> when was compiz enabled by default for the first time?
[09:18] <mdke> I can't remember
[09:18] <mdke> maybe 7.10 or so?
[09:19] <wgrant> I think it was Gutsy.
[09:19] <wgrant> It's possible it was Feisty.
[09:20] <wgrant> mdke: I'm not sure what a better solution for the deletion privilege is... but it seems a bit odd that not even ~ubuntu-dev has it.
[09:21] <Burgundavia> 7.04 according to DesktopEffects
[09:21] <wgrant> compiz was in main for Feisty.
[09:21] <wgrant> So I presume feisty.
[09:21] <mdke> wgrant: well, there is no reason for the people in ~ubuntu-dev to know anything about how the documentation wiki works
[09:21] <wgrant> Ah, beat me.
[09:22] <wgrant> mdke: I fail to see how there's anything special to know, and I see the restriction as more of a defense against people being malicious or stupid.
[09:23] <mdke> wgrant: it's described on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/DeletingAndRenaming. You don't have to be malicious *or* stupid to forget to check for broken links (see Burgundavia above)
[09:23] <mdke> :p @ Burgundavia
[09:24] <wgrant> Perhaps.
[09:24] <Burgundavia> idiocy is all you need ;)
[09:24] <mdke> or just not having read that page for a while
[09:24] <mdke> or ever, in the case of most members of ~ubuntu-dev
[09:24] <wgrant> Heh.
[09:25] <Burgundavia> what does KDE use for desktop effects?
[09:25] <Burgundavia> kwin or compiz?
[09:25] <wgrant> kwin
[09:25] <Burgundavia> ahh, right
[09:28] <Burgundavia> wgrant: redirect GNOME/customize to UbuntuEyeCandy?
[09:29] <wgrant> I trimmed some stuff out of the latter this afternoon.
[09:29] <wgrant> Let me see.
[09:30] <wgrant> I'd say so.
[09:30] <wgrant> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gnome/FAQ is very worthy.
[09:34] <Burgundavia> cool
[09:34] <Burgundavia> that needs to die
[09:35] <wgrant> Yes.
[09:35] <wgrant> You know that a wiki page is bad when it mentions XF86Config-4
[09:36] <Burgundavia> heh
[09:36] <Burgundavia> welcome to the 21st century please
[09:36] <Burgundavia> ok, I need to sleep
[09:36] <Burgundavia> night all
[09:37] <wgrant> Night Burgundavia.
[09:37] <wgrant> Thanks.
[09:37] <Burgundavia> if you want anything else deleted, pm me with the url
[09:37] <Burgundavia> I will be online while the system upgrades
[09:41] <mdke> night Burgundavia
[11:19] <Burgundavia> ugh, intrepid's ephy performance is worse than hardys
[14:02] <LjL> how can i see a list of wiki pages i edited or created?
[16:01] <moteyibex> I wondered how to report a bad link in a man page. I.E. sed documentation man:sed has a bad link.
[20:25] <mdke> LjL: it can't be done, afaik