[01:01] <pururu> so anyone know how to enable card reader on acer aspire one ?
[01:18] <ian_brasil> pururu: the right hand side does not work..the left works
[01:18] <ian_brasil> at least for me
[01:18] <ian_brasil> no..i don't know why
[01:19] <ian_brasil> are you seeing the same thing?
[01:24] <pururu> dunno... i think they both dosnt work... and i dont need left one
[01:25] <pururu> i want to backup something and make fresh install from release image
[01:28] <ian_brasil> back up to a pen drine?
[01:29] <ian_brasil> s/drine/drive
[01:30]  * pururu goes to shop to buy one more usb stick. why i got this SD card lol. i cant boot from it, and cant write to it...
[01:40] <ian_brasil> ha ha
[01:40] <ian_brasil> pururu: what happens when you put the caard in ..nothing?
[01:41] <pururu> exactly
[01:41] <ian_brasil> maybe you need to mount it?
[01:42] <pururu> it dosnt show in fdisk -l too
[01:44] <pururu> [ 5249.232063] mmc0: new SD card at address 1234
[01:44] <pururu> [ 5249.234652] mmcblk0: mmc0:1234 SA01G 995328KiB
[01:44] <pururu> but i see this in dmesg
[01:45] <pururu> mmm
[01:45] <pururu> this is for right side slot
[01:50] <pururu> mmm
[01:50]  * pururu calling for linux hackers to save a world
[01:53] <rbelem> pururu, nice! your sd card is working
[01:53] <pururu> woohoo
[01:53] <rbelem> pururu, sudo fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0
[01:53] <pururu> yeah it show something
[01:55] <rbelem> pururu, paste the output to http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[01:58] <pururu> ok i created partition with gparted and mounted it, it work
[01:58] <pururu> still need to paste this?
[01:58] <rbelem> cool!
[01:58] <rbelem> nope
[01:58] <pururu> thanks for your help
[01:59] <rbelem> you're welcome ;-)
[01:59] <pururu> ;-)
[02:01] <pururu> but i'm not sure this will work on fresh ubuntu... cuz i made few changes to enable card reader... as described on ubuntu aspire one site
[02:01] <pururu> like setpci one time yesterday... and writing something to fstab
[02:02] <pururu> i just not seen any result
[02:03] <rbelem> pururu, i guess you will not need to make these changes
[02:03] <pururu> it seems so
[03:03] <ian_brasil> how can i add a password protected bluetooth device with the new bluetooth manager
[03:37] <ian_brasil> putz...https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez-gnome/+bug/284994
[03:39]  * ian_brasil clicks the nice new affects me button
[10:19] <crevette> hello there
[10:33] <persia> Good morning crevette 
[10:38] <crevette> hello persia
[10:39] <crevette> good evening (?) persia
[10:39] <persia> Yeah, it's evening here :)
[10:59]  * ogra yawns
[11:11]  * ogra wonders why -mid changes tty's on each restart of X
[11:11]  * persia suspects an openvt race
[11:12] <ogra> its weird
[11:12] <ogra> initially its on tty1
[11:12] <ogra> after the first restart its on 7
[11:12] <ogra> after the second its on 9
[11:12] <ogra> and then it jumps between 7 and 9 with each restart
[11:13] <persia> It takes the first available VT.
[11:14] <persia> It starts before getty, so gets tty1 when it starts.
[11:14] <persia> Then, when restarting, it starts before it finishes, so takes tty7.
[11:14] <ogra> hmm, no gconf dbon mid ?
[11:14]  * ogra thought he could pull the icon theme name from some gconf key
[11:15] <persia> When it really finishes, getty takes over tty1, so the next time, it needs a different one.
[11:15] <persia> tty8 is taken by usplash, so it gets 9.
[11:15] <persia> then back to 7 because 7 is free from the previous X death, etc.
[11:15] <persia> There should be a gconf db
[11:15] <ogra> usplas shuld have called /etc/init.d/usplash start to free it up at the end of booting
[11:16] <persia> tty8?
[11:17] <persia> That's where the console log goes.  Unredirecting that means either not showing it, or redirecting somewhere else.
[11:17] <ogra>                # Clear VT 8 of any console messages
[11:17] <ogra>                 clear >/dev/tty8
[11:17] <ogra>                 # ask usplash to go away
[11:17] <ogra>                 usplash_write QUIT
[11:17] <ogra> thats from the usplash_quit function
[11:17] <ogra> which is called by /etc/init.d/usplash start
[11:18] <ogra> it does more stuff like actually killing leftover usplash processes and switch to vt1
[11:18] <persia> hunh.  Where does /dev/console point after that?
[11:18] <ogra> tty1 i think
[11:19] <persia> Maybe that doesn't work because X has tty1?
[11:19] <ogra> yeah
[11:19] <ogra> which is not usual
[11:19] <ogra> anyway, the missing gconf db is more weird than the tty jumping
[11:20] <ogra> i ony have toplevel dirs in gconf editor
[11:20] <ogra> but not a singe key 
[11:20] <ogra> *single
[11:21] <persia> That's very odd, because kourou uses gconf to determine the current category.
[11:21] <ogra> gconf ? 
[11:21] <ogra> no
[11:22] <ogra> it uses xdg
[11:22] <ogra> and the theme is hardcoded
[11:23] <ogra> so there is no dependency at all on gconf ... i was about to add one :)
[11:23] <ogra> thats why i looked in gconf-editor
[11:23] <ogra> err
[11:23] <ogra> ignore me 
[11:24] <ogra> the theme in gconf-editor is weird ... it doesnt show the little expander arrows and my doublecliks on the folders were not strong enough
[11:25] <ogra> there we go ... /desktop/gnome/interface/icon_theme
[11:26] <ogra> that should be the last bit of icon theme things we need ... 
[11:27]  * ogra fixed rendering completely already and we have a fallback to the gtk-missing icon if no icon is found now
[11:28] <ogra> switching from gtk.Iconview to gtk.Table might be harder though 
[11:29] <ogra> does it make sense to have a context menu in kourou ? 
[11:31] <ogra> i.e. do many target devices of -mid ave the ability to right click ? 
[11:45] <persia> My tablet has right click.  Also, most touch devices support right-click by long-touch.  The Zaurus uses that for context.
[11:45] <persia> Personally, I think it'd be cool if the context menu could include a means of adjusting Home, either by adding or removing icons.
[11:46] <ogra> yeah
[11:46] <ogra> i thought of adjusting home, changing background and opening the theme capplet
[11:46] <ogra> later probably a "create launcher" 
[11:56] <ogra> great, icon theme from gconf works
[12:00]  * ogra pushes to his dev branch
[12:01]  * ogra scratches head about a redraw function ... i'm getting tired of restarting X somehow
[12:07] <persia> Perhaps a reload function?
[12:08] <ogra> yeah, thats what i meant
[12:08] <persia> Just implement it as a quit function for the plugin, and make sure hildon-desktop can be given a restart hint in the .desktop file.
[12:08] <ogra> but externally triggerable 
[12:09] <persia> Why would you want it externally triggerable?
[12:11] <ogra> because i could write external tools like a kourou-icon-theme-selector ... that wouldnt have to sit in the app itself (but be called from context menu) and after an icon change it can trigger a reload
[12:11] <ogra> same for a wallpaper selector
[12:11] <persia> Don't do that in kourou
[12:11] <ogra> both are things you dont need permanently in ram
[12:11] <persia> Get hildon-desktop to accept external triggers that restart a given plugin.
[12:12] <persia> That's generally resuable for everything.
[12:12] <ogra> might exist already 
[12:13] <ogra> hmm, apparently not
[12:14] <ogra> all references google knows point to restart hildon-desktop completely
[12:14] <ogra> "or restart your device" 
[12:14] <ogra> woah
[12:15] <persia> Right : implementing something like that in hildon-desktop would be a big help generally.
[12:15] <persia> It's not just for reload, but having a way to be able to kill a stuck app.
[12:15] <ogra> but i'm currently not in C mood
[12:16] <ogra> so i'll look at other kourou stuff first
[12:17] <ogra> switching iconview to table will be big :/
[12:17] <ogra> but i'D love to play with wallpaper things :(
[12:33] <ogra> gah
[12:33] <ogra> gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file_at_scale() isnt ported to pygtk
[12:33] <ogra> grmbl
[12:44] <crevette> ogra: you just need to port it :)
[12:44] <ogra> crevette, as i said above, not in C mood today :) 
[12:45]  * crevette doesn't understand c :)
[12:46]  * ogra does but wants to play python ... its weekend, so what i do is for having fun ;)
[12:49] <crevette> actually I'm fighting with a patch I want to achieve, and which me make crazy because of warning during compilation :)
[12:49] <crevette> I wonder why the project I'm interested with are in C
[12:49] <crevette> projects
[14:08] <root> hello guys
[14:10] <ido-> was wondering whats the difference between MID and mobile versions 
[14:14] <ido-> which should i choose for my samsung Q1
[14:31] <persia> ido-, I'd recommend the UMPC image for your samsung Q1 : it's had a fair bit of testing on that platform, and works fairly well.
[14:31] <persia> MID is for smaller things, like the Aigo MID, Sharp D4, etc.
[15:57] <ido-> thanks
[15:57] <ido-> downloaded it
[15:58] <ido-> tryin to getit to boot
[16:37] <ido-> downloaded the latest build of umpc from yesterday
[16:37] <ido-> tried to boot it on my Q1
[16:37] <ido-> and it stops at initramfs
[16:37] <ido-> no error
[16:50] <ido-> hrm.
[16:54] <persia> Q1 or Q1U?
[16:58] <ido-> Q1U
[16:58] <ido-> should i use an older build 
[16:59] <ido-> or is it not supposedto wokr
[17:01] <ido-> persia ?
[17:02] <persia> No, it's supposed to work.  I've heard from a couple Q1U owners that it worked.
[17:02] <ido-> hrm.
[17:02] <ido-> so i'll download an older build
[17:02] <persia> Where does it get stuck?
[17:02] <ido-> which do you recommend ?
[17:02] <persia> No, you want the released build.
[17:02] <ido-> well, it starts showing the ubuntu loading bar thingy
[17:03] <persia> Does it get about 15-20% along?
[17:03] <ido-> and then stops, and goes into busybox/initramfs prompt
[17:03] <persia> That's rather unexpected.
[17:03] <persia> Anyone else around have a Q1U?
[17:05] <ido-> seems no one is here
[17:06] <persia> Or at least nobody paying attention right now.
[17:06] <persia> THis is repeatable?
[17:06] <ido-> or that.
[17:06] <ido-> every time I try to boot..?
[17:06] <persia> That sounds repeatable.
[17:07] <persia> Which image did you download?
[17:07] <ido-> sec
[17:08] <ido-> ubuntu-umpc.img
[17:09] <ido-> cant find the exact link since ubuntu is down
[17:09] <persia> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-umpc/intrepid/current/ubuntu-umpc.img ?
[17:09] <ido-> well, at least the cd-download server
[17:09] <ido-> yes
[17:09] <ido-> actually, the build from the 10/30
[17:09] <persia> Hrm.  That's the recommended image : I wouldn't expect any other to work better.
[17:10] <ido-> i used dd for windows
[17:10] <ido-> to put it on the a usb stick
[17:10] <persia> That should work.
[17:10] <ido-> with bs=1024
[17:11] <ido-> it did boot anyhow.
[17:11] <ido-> i'll boot it in a minute
[17:11] <ido-> and i'll dmesg
[17:11] <ido-> see what errors it shows
[17:11] <persia> Sounds like a good plan.
[17:18] <ido-> question
[17:18] <ido-> can i make it boot without the ubuntu bar ?
[17:18] <ido-> so i could see progress on the console
[17:19] <ido-> hrm
[17:19] <ido-> weird
[17:19] <ido-> re-written the image with bs=512
[17:19] <ido-> and now it loaded...
[17:23] <persia> 1024 is the usually recommendation, but I'm glad to hear 512 worked for you.
[17:24] <persia> To boot without splash, use "nosplash" as a boot argument, but if it boots perhaps you don't need that.
[17:24] <ido-> yes
[17:24] <ido-> indeed
[17:24] <ido-> how do i calibrate the screen
[17:25] <persia> I think it's system...Administration...Calibrate Screen
[17:26] <ido-> doesnt work
[17:26] <persia> ogra, Any advice?
[17:26] <ido-> says "no evtouch capablee device found"
[17:27] <persia> That's very confusing for the Q1U, because the guy who put together the calibration tool has one.
[17:28] <ido-> hrm. who is he ?
[17:55] <ido-> persia ?
[18:40] <ogra> persia, the recommended image isnt a daily build but the released one :P
[18:41] <persia> ogra, Isn't that the release build for umpc?
[18:41] <ogra> see topic ;)
[18:41] <ogra> i think there was a 30.1 or .2 build
[18:41] <persia> It went to releases!  I thought it was only going to cdimage.
[18:41] <ogra> because the livefs was borked in the pre last one
[18:42]  * ogra hands persia a pair of glasses :)
[18:42] <persia> Which might explain ido- 's calibration issues.
[18:43] <ogra> -mid is on releases, -umpc is on cdimage
[18:43] <ogra> but nontheless both had released images with proper naming etc
[18:43]  * persia confusedly re-reads the URL, and is again confused, but will learn
[18:44] <ogra> yeah i'm not happy either
[18:45] <persia> I'm not unhappy, just confused.
[18:45] <ogra> 30.1 was the last daily build ... terranova had a hiccup on the 30 image
[18:46] <ogra> well, i would have liked both in the same place
[18:47] <persia> Oh, yeah, it would be nice if the ultimate intrepid daily build was also the release build, but that's just an implementation detail.
[18:47] <persia> My fault mostly, for not raising it to the release team early enough.
[18:47] <ogra> ??
[18:47] <ogra> the ultimate one is the released one
[18:48] <ogra> for upc that was 30.1, for mid that was 29
[18:48] <persia> So http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-umpc/intrepid/current/ubuntu-umpc.img == http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/release/ubuntu-8.10-umpc-i386.img ?
[18:49] <ogra> right, current was copied over to ubuntu-8.10-umpc-i386.img
[18:49] <ogra> but not 20081030
[18:49] <persia> Then what do you mean " i would have liked both in the same place" ?
[18:49] <persia> MID + UMPC?
[18:49] <ogra> yes
[18:49] <persia> RIght.  My fault.
[18:49] <ogra> its tricky to get that across
[18:49] <ogra> nope
[18:50] <ogra> thats been part of the renaming
[18:50] <ogra> not yours
[18:50] <persia> Yeah, but I'm the person who integrated the images with the milestone series and missed a step in doing so, which is why the rename came so late.
[18:50] <ogra> mid is "official", umpc isnt
[18:51] <persia> Yep.
[18:51] <persia> umpc will be official next time : all the prerequisites are in place.
[18:52] <ogra> right, i'll write a spec for presseding umpc to be netbook tomorrow ... lets see if we get gfxboot working with syslinux ;)
[18:52] <persia> huh?
[18:53] <ogra> that way it would be possible to have all three flavours in a single image, build lpia and generic and have a selection menu like the cd
[18:53] <persia> Why would you want to do that?
[18:53] <persia> Ah.  Interesting.  Is the netbook team planning to go for flavour status then?
[18:54] <ogra> no, but i'm supposed to do something with the four apps
[18:54] <ogra> so ubuntu-umpc-default-settings will get a preseed value to switch flavours
[19:10] <ido-> hrm
[19:10] <ido-> back
[19:10] <ido-> orga/persia
[19:10] <ido-> another problem, non-related
[19:10] <ido-> i can't seem to get the install to work correctly
[19:11] <ido-> first, it doesnt always run (runs only after trying to run it multiple times)
[19:11] <ido-> and even when it does, it fails somewhere at the stage when its trying to repartition my HD
[19:12] <ogra> weird
[19:12] <ogra> it definately installs fine here 
[19:12] <ido-> could i make it persistant storage without the need to install it somewhere ?
[19:13] <ogra> on identical HW (unless theere are different Q1U configurations, which i dont belive)
[19:13] <persia> ido-, You could, but performance suffers : better to chase the install.
[19:13] <ogra> i think casper in intrepid had no proper support for persistance 
[19:13] <ogra> unless that was fixed last minute
[19:13] <persia> I thought that was fixed at the end, although I could be mistaken.
[19:14] <ogra> but afak the patch was considered o big for the late release state
[19:14] <ido-> so how do i make it persistant directly ?
[19:15]  * ogra repeats ... "i think casper in intrepid had no proper support for persistance"
[19:15] <ido-> whats casper?
[19:16] <ogra> the tool providing persistance ... and the liveCD bootmechanism used on the image
[19:16] <ido-> oh
[19:19] <ido-> orga
[19:19] <ido-> did you resize the partition using the installer ?
[19:19] <ogra> no
[19:19] <ido-> hrm that could be the thing causing it to fail
[19:20] <ogra> what kind of partition is that ? 
[19:20] <ido-> ntfs ?
[19:20] <ido-> the one that comeswith the device.
[19:20] <ogra> might need something like a defrag run before and removal of the windows swapfile before you can even resize it
[19:20] <ido-> hrm. getting the error: An error occurred while writing the changes to storage device"
[19:21] <ido-> does gpart do that ?
[19:21] <ido-> gparted
[19:21] <ogra> windows usues to put the swapfile at the end of a partition which might cause resizing to fail
[19:21] <ogra> no idea what gparted does, we dont sue it since years in ubuntu, partman (teh tool the installer backend uses) doesn usually a safer and more effective job
[19:22] <ogra> *use
[19:27] <ido-> seems the ntfs partition was unclean
[19:27] <ido-> so it couldnt shrink it
[19:28] <ogra> right
[19:28] <ogra> clean it under windows first
[19:28] <ido-> thats what i'm doing
[19:28] <ogra> do a defrag and disable the swapfile ...
[19:28] <ogra> you can re-enable it after the shrinking
[19:29] <ido-> how did you calibrate your screen orga?
[19:29] <ogra> using te calibration tool
[19:30] <ido-> which one ?
[19:30] <ogra> thats why i wrote it :)
[19:30] <ogra> the one from the system menu
[19:30] <ido-> oh.
[19:30] <ido-> it didnt detect a touchscreen device on mine..
[19:30] <ido-> (although the touchscreen worked ok..)
[19:30] <ido-> and Xorg.log showed evtouch loaded
[19:31] <ogra> works fine here ... just tested it this second
[19:32] <ogra> and if you have the same device i dont see a reason why it shouldnt work
[19:32] <ido-> hrm.
[19:32] <ogra>  lshal|grep eGalax
[19:32] <ogra> does that return anything ? 
[19:32] <ido-> lspci shows eGalax
[19:32] <ido-> i think lshal does so to..
[19:33] <ogra> hal cares for the device nowadays
[19:33] <ogra> check it, it should return two lines
[19:33] <ido-> sec, rebooting into ubuntu after disk cleanup..
[19:33] <ido-> how much space should i allocate for ubuntu ?
[19:33] <ido-> would 3gb be fine for starters ?
[19:34] <ido-> its just for testing..
[19:34] <ido-> to set how well it works on the umpc
[19:34] <ogra> the current install uses about 2.5G
[19:34] <ogra> so for testing 3G plus swap
[19:34] <ido-> really ?
[19:34] <ido-> oh. o
[19:34] <ido-> ok
[19:35] <ogra> that leaves you 500M for user data
[19:35] <ido-> thats not much.
[19:35] <ogra> well, give it more then :)
[19:35] <ido-> just got it booted
[19:35] <ido-> takes a while to boot..
[19:35] <ogra> sure, its a live session
[19:35] <ido-> running calibration
[19:36] <ido-> nope, says no evtouch capable device found
[19:36] <ogra> but your touchsceen works ? 
[19:36] <ido-> yes
[19:36] <ogra> what does the lshal command give you ? 
[19:36] <ido-> lshal has eGalax
[19:36] <ogra> two times ? 
[19:36] <ido-> yhep, info.product
[19:36] <ido-> and usb_device.product
[19:36] <ogra> i wonder if they have eGalax that are named differently somehow
[19:37] <ido-> eGalax "TouchScreen"
[19:37] <ido-> "eGalax ouchScreen"
[19:37] <ogra>     <match key="info.product" contains="eGalax">
[19:37] <ogra>       <match key="info.capabilities" contains="input">
[19:38] <ogra> thats what hal looks for in the device entry in lshal
[19:38] <ogra> and it works fine here in live mode as well as in installed mode
[19:38] <ogra> just tested both again
[19:38] <ido-> whats info.capabilities ?
[19:39] <ogra> a hal key
[19:39] <ido-> i dont see it under the touchscreen udi
[19:39] <ogra> lshal|less
[19:39] <ido-> did that
[19:40] <ido-> and ?
[19:40] <ogra> err, wait
[19:40] <ido-> hrm ok.
[19:40] <ogra> the Q1U has a Touchkit
[19:41] <ido-> yes
[19:41] <ogra> look for: lshal|grep Touchkit
[19:41] <ido-> Touchkit HID-USB Touchscreen
[19:41] <ogra>     <match key="info.product" contains="Touchkit Touch">
[19:41] <ogra>       <match key="info.capabilities" contains="input">
[19:42] <ogra> same thing
[19:42] <ido-> where do you se that config thingy ?
[19:42] <ido-> is it part of the calibration util ?
[19:42] <ogra>   info.capabilities = {'input', 'input.mouse'} (string list)
[19:42] <ogra>   info.category = 'input'  (string)
[19:42] <ogra>   info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_eef_1_noserial_if0'  (string)
[19:42] <ogra>   info.product = 'Touchkit Touch'  (string)
[19:42] <ogra> in lshal
[19:43] <ogra> lshal|less
[19:43] <ogra> you should actually have it identical 
[19:43] <ido-> well, almost
[19:43] <ido-> the info.product is different
[19:43] <ogra> oh
[19:43] <ido-> its "Touchkit HID-USB Touchscreen"
[19:44] <ogra> thats the prob then
[19:44] <ido-> not contains  "touchkit touch"
[19:44] <ogra> you can edit /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/50-touchkit.fdi
[19:44] <ido-> where did you see '<match key="info.product" contains="Touchkit Touch">"
[19:44] <ogra> after install though
[19:44] <ido-> sure i can
[19:44] <ogra> and i'll see if i can shove that in as bugfix
[19:45] <ogra> the match is in the .fdi file above
[19:45] <ido-> edited it
[19:45] <ido-> left only "Touchkit"
[19:45] <ido-> what now ?
[19:45] <ogra> just make it match Touchkit without Touch
[19:45] <ogra> well, it wont work easily on the livesystem
[19:45] <ido-> can i restart the hal thingy ?
[19:45] <ido-> oh, only after reboot..
[19:45] <ogra> you essentially need to stop X, restart hal and start X again
[19:46] <ido-> how do i restart hal ?
[19:46] <ogra> sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[19:47] <ido-> hrm.is the calibration util source public ?
[19:47] <ogra> apt-get source xserver-xorg-input-evtouch
[19:47] <ogra> but it will go away in jaunty 
[19:48] <ido-> go away ?
[19:48] <ogra> upstream xorg is working on making all touchscreen devies use the evdev driver and we'll have a generic calibration tool that should match more than evtouch
[19:48] <ido-> oh
[19:48] <ido-> ok
[19:48] <ogra> so the current tol is only an interim solution
[19:49] <ogra> *tool
[19:49] <ogra> i just wrote it to have anything at all
[19:49] <ido-> hrm
[19:49] <ido-> restarted hal
[19:49] <ido-> and X
[19:49] <ogra> since evtouch is abandoned by its dev since years and the calibration tool never worked
[19:49] <ido-> and it still didnt work
[19:50] <ogra> hal-find-by-property --key input.x11_driver --string evtouch
[19:50] <ogra> does that return anything ? 
[19:50] <ido-> nope
[19:51] <ogra> well, then you dont use evtouch
[19:51] <ogra> your  /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/50-touchkit.fdi was changed to: <match key="info.product" contains="Touchkit">
[19:51] <ogra> ?
[19:51] <ido-> yes
[19:52] <ogra> well, i see no reason why it shouldnt work then 
[19:53] <ido-> Xorg.log shows /dev/input/event4 as "Touchkit HID-USB Touchscreen"
[19:56] <ido-> orga ?
[19:56] <ido-> Xorg.log shows /dev/input/event4 as "Touchkit HID-USB Touchscreen"
[19:56] <ido-> after all the touchscreen does work.
[19:58] <ogra> but its not using evtouch 
[19:58] <ido-> hrm. so what is it using ?
[19:58] <ogra> so the evtouch calibtation tool cant work
[19:58] <ido-> and should i make it use evtouch ?
[19:59] <ogra> what does Xorg.log say what it uses ? 
[19:59] <ido-> what should i look for?
[20:00] <ogra> (II) config/hal: Adding input device Touchkit Touch
[20:00] <ogra> (II) LoadModule: "evtouch"
[20:00] <ogra> should be loaded right after the keyboard
[20:00] <ogra> but if it works for you anyway, why change it 
[20:00] <ogra> i just wonder why hal doesnt matc it at all
[20:00] <ogra> since it should
[20:00] <ido-> no, doesnt say that
[20:01] <ido-> i dont mind keeping it this way
[20:01] <ogra> well, then hal didnt load it
[20:01] <ido-> but the screen is uncalibrated
[20:01] <ido-> and i have no idea how to do it
[20:01] <ogra> well, the change in the match line should have helped
[20:01] <ogra> try it on the installed system later
[20:01] <ido-> i did that
[20:01] <ido-> oh
[20:01] <ido-> yea, well didnt do that..
[20:02] <ido-> will install now
[20:02] <ido-> see how it helps
[20:02] <ogra> good luck
[20:02] <ido-> sure.. thanks.
[20:02] <ido-> will be back later to report
[20:02] <ogra> i might not be around though
[20:03] <ido-> do you usally hang out here
[20:03] <ogra> its saturday ... and evening
[20:03] <ogra> yes
[20:03] <ogra> every day during the week 
[20:03] <ido-> so i'll maybe stick around.
[20:03] <ido-> wouldnt mind helping out
[20:03] <ogra> great :)
[20:03] <ido-> i'm new to ubuntu
[20:03] <ogra> hope you like it
[20:03] <ido-> i'm an embedded linux developer though
[20:03] <ogra> (despite the glitches)
[20:03] <ido-> at work that is
[20:32] <ido-> hrma
[20:32] <ido-> orga, still around ?
[20:32] <ido-> installed, still no evtouch driver on xorg
[20:54] <ido-> ok
[20:54] <ido-> got it fixed..
[20:54] <ido-> how do i move windows that aren't resizable ?(so i can see the hidden part)
[22:09] <rhpot1991> ogra: I tried out umpc on my eee, its pretty nice but I prefer more of a pure desktop for multitasking.
[22:22] <ido-> i think its geared twards umpc's
[22:22] <ido-> 7"
[22:22] <ido-> no screen realestate for many windows at the same time