| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| === bdrung_ is now known as bdrung | ||
| asac | crimsun: so you have any instructions what I should ask when I get bugs like: bug 279346 | 13:36 |
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| asac | in intrepid? | 13:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 279346 in flashplugin-nonfree "no sound in youtube in intrepid" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279346 | 13:36 |
| asac | e.g. what debugging informationn do you want to get collected up front? | 13:36 |
| asac | i regular see such bugs, but have no idea what to ask for :) | 13:37 |
| fta | hi | 14:24 |
| asac | hi fta | 14:27 |
| asac | i made the 17k ;) | 14:27 |
| asac | bug karma | 14:27 |
| fta | :) | 14:28 |
| sebner | asac: installing lame hardy version also didn't fix it :\ , but /me already prepared a SRU for another package today ^^ | 14:36 |
| fta | mozilla bug 448680 | 17:04 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 448680 in Video/Audio "Starting <video> playback causes master volume to jump to max" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=448680 | 17:04 |
| fta | crimsun, sound is broken once again in ff3.1, i get 1 sec of sound then silence, yet the video continues | 17:06 |
| fta | crimsun, playing http://www.double.co.nz/video_test/test1.html | 17:06 |
| fta | mozilla Bug 461344 | 17:08 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 461344 in Storage "abort if the version of sqlite we are using is not new enough" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=461344 | 17:08 |
| fta | asac, my total is still below 17k :P | 17:12 |
| asac | fta: yeah. but srsly i did about 40h bug triaging in the last 58h or so ;) | 17:16 |
| asac | and probably gained at max 1k for that really heroish work | 17:17 |
| asac | if not only 600K | 17:17 |
| asac | err 600 | 17:17 |
| fta | complain to lp guys | 17:17 |
| fta | my definition of karma is different from theirs | 17:17 |
| fta | a karma should not decrease after 6 months if you continue to work at the same pace | 17:18 |
| fta | basically, our drops are the reflection of our past activities, this is non sense | 17:19 |
| asac | yeah. ... its more like a trailing average | 17:20 |
| fta | karma should only decrease if you're doing nothing, not if you worked harder in the past | 17:20 |
| asac | welll ... you could have a long term average (which probably is more what you have now) | 17:21 |
| asac | and a "current" pace indicator | 17:21 |
| asac | the current approach is about "defeating" karma you earned in the past and if you are brave even building on top | 17:22 |
| fta | well, today, if you earn 10 points for something, in 6 months from now, it will be divided by 10, then expire | 17:22 |
| asac | fta: well but think that you do a bunch of work 6 month ago ... and then you only do a bit work | 17:23 |
| asac | karma should then decrease right? | 17:23 |
| asac | if you never decrease as long as some work is happening you can easily keep your karma and rest forever ;) | 17:24 |
| fta | yes but not proportionally to what you've gained | 17:24 |
| asac | yeah. its difficult ;) | 17:24 |
| fta | do a wonderful job for zillions of stuff, then stop for a year, you're back to zero, same as someone doing nothing | 17:25 |
| asac | yeah | 17:26 |
| fta | yet, i feel your karma should be higher | 17:26 |
| asac | i think it shouldnt be that bad | 17:26 |
| asac | i mean ... the decreaes should be slower than the increase | 17:26 |
| asac | but i think that was in the past | 17:26 |
| fta | indeed | 17:26 |
| asac | and people like seb and pitti had karma more than a million | 17:27 |
| asac | which was perceived as demotivating for people that cannot spend that much time | 17:27 |
| fta | true | 17:27 |
| asac | so current approach gives more incentive to short term contributors | 17:27 |
| asac | than long term | 17:27 |
| asac | e.g. if you start it goes up quick | 17:27 |
| asac | afterwards it fighting against decay ;) | 17:27 |
| Nafallo | asac: the main Swedish translator was number one, since all his work got committed via tarballs ;-) | 17:29 |
| asac | heh | 17:32 |
| asac | but i think that rosetta isnt that fruitful anymore | 17:32 |
| sebner | asac: ripping is working again (you have to activate "Create Wave Header" in the config. but the result is only noise :( | 17:32 |
| asac | good | 17:33 |
| asac | most likely a compression thing then | 17:33 |
| sebner | asac: apachelogger told me that something inside k3b responsible for that is pretty b0rken ^^ damn :( | 17:33 |
| asac | k | 17:37 |
| asac | fta: is tbird 3 from your archive usable for reading imap stuff? | 17:46 |
| asac | damn ... archive.u.c is still completely utilized | 17:47 |
| asac | hmm 70k now | 17:47 |
| asac | thats more or less ok | 17:47 |
| Nafallo | really? :-P | 17:47 |
| asac | at least to not fall asleep before it finishes ;) | 17:47 |
| asac | Nafallo: well better than the 980B/s i had in the beginning | 17:48 |
| Nafallo | I got like my 4Mbps before... | 17:48 |
| asac | hmm | 17:48 |
| fta | asac, try it | 17:48 |
| asac | Nafallo: so you say its on my side or you are directly in the center? | 17:48 |
| asac | fta: Need to get 12.1MB of archives. | 17:49 |
| asac | After this operation, 36.9MB of additional disk space will be used. | 17:49 |
| asac | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! thunderbird-3.0 | 17:49 |
| Nafallo | asac: hehe. not on the switch now, no. from home. | 17:49 |
| asac | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y | 17:49 |
| asac | Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main thunderbird-3.0 3.0~b1~hg20081031r785+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta2 [12.1MB] | 17:49 |
| asac | Nafallo: so its my sucky provider again | 17:49 |
| asac | but i think i found a new provider that provides cable stuff here | 17:49 |
| Nafallo | 9 hops to the archive.... SRSLY! | 17:50 |
| asac | well it wasnt possible before in my particular hous ;) | 17:50 |
| fta | still slow for me too Fetched 17.8MB in 35s (506kB/s) | 17:50 |
| asac | fta: well 500K is still ok | 17:50 |
| * Nafallo turns on name resolution | 17:50 | |
| asac | i usually have ~1000K | 17:50 |
| Nafallo | baah. Level3. ✁☹ | 17:50 |
| asac | fta: does tbird 3 do the same profile wisdom we do for other previews? | 17:50 |
| asac | or should i backup my profile? | 17:51 |
| Nafallo | lol. drescher :-) | 17:51 |
| fta | it's a clone | 17:51 |
| Nafallo | nice | 17:51 |
| asac | fta: well. so it creates a copy? | 17:51 |
| fta | yes | 17:51 |
| asac | ok ... just starting then | 17:51 |
| asac | "Starting Schredder" | 17:51 |
| fta | damn, i broke xul | 17:52 |
| asac | fta: what can i do with the tab? | 17:53 |
| fta | open more ? :) | 17:54 |
| fta | why is my prerm thing not ok... | 17:55 |
| asac | fta: how to open more tabs? | 17:58 |
| asac | ok cool | 17:59 |
| asac | i think i can use shredder for bug stuff now | 17:59 |
| asac | only feature i am missing is to show a full threawd inline | 17:59 |
| asac | e.g. click on one threawd element and get all messages displayed in message view | 17:59 |
| fta | yep | 18:00 |
| fta | is prerm called after install ?? | 18:00 |
| asac | fta: which prerm? | 18:01 |
| fta | generally speaking | 18:01 |
| asac | i think in some situation prerm is called | 18:01 |
| asac | let me think ;) | 18:01 |
| fta | i thought prem was called against the old version during upgrades, before new files are installed | 18:02 |
| asac | fta: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html 6.5 | 18:02 |
| asac | in general yes. but in error cases this can become tricky i think | 18:03 |
| asac | e.g. see 6.6 | 18:03 |
| asac | i think prerm is unlikely to be called after install | 18:03 |
| fta | then there's a bug | 18:04 |
| asac | if you have a simple test case let me know ;) | 18:04 |
| fta | xulrunner-1.9.1.prerm: | 18:04 |
| fta | if [ "$1" = "remove" ] || [ "$1" = upgrade ]; then | 18:04 |
| fta | rm -f /etc/gre.d/1.9.1b2pre.system.conf | 18:04 |
| fta | fi | 18:04 |
| asac | fta: we shouldnt do that | 18:05 |
| asac | we should use the configure status | 18:05 |
| fta | i upgrade a b2pre to another b2pre, the file is gone | 18:05 |
| asac | and only remove those that are obsolete and dont have a md5sum mismatch | 18:05 |
| asac | fta: well if you remove it that way, dpkg will think the user removed it | 18:05 |
| asac | and will hold back the "new" file | 18:05 |
| fta | oh | 18:05 |
| asac | fta: look at dpkg --status xulrunner-1.9.1 | 18:06 |
| asac | the conffile should be modified by user there | 18:06 |
| asac | fta: i think what we have to do is in postinst | 18:07 |
| asac | and there we have to check the status and remove all Obsolete configs | 18:07 |
| asac | that are not modified | 18:07 |
| asac | everything else will be handled by dpkg | 18:07 |
| fta | currently, it's not; i have zillions of files in /etc/gre.d/ | 18:08 |
| asac | fta: there is a good wiki page in debian on that | 18:08 |
| asac | fta: yes i know | 18:08 |
| asac | thats on my list | 18:08 |
| asac | if you want to fix it, parse the status and check md5sums in postinst for Obsolete config files | 18:08 |
| asac | and remove them if they are not modified | 18:08 |
| asac | james_w: where is that debian wiki page for config file handling in maintainer script again? | 18:10 |
| asac | james_w: nevermind have it | 18:10 |
| asac | fta: http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling | 18:10 |
| asac | thats the basic approach | 18:10 |
| fta | ok, i'll have a look | 18:10 |
| asac | what we should do is always check all xulrunner-1.9.1 and xulrunner-1.9 conffiles that way | 18:10 |
| asac | and remove them with that pattern | 18:10 |
| asac | fta: e.g. copy rm_conffile from there | 18:10 |
| asac | and use that | 18:10 |
| asac | fta: cool. | 18:12 |
| asac | fta: we also want those on the 1.9 branches | 18:12 |
| asac | in case you are at it ;) | 18:12 |
| asac | but probably not in stable branches | 18:12 |
| asac | otoh ;) | 18:12 |
| asac | fta: you think its impossible to build dom-inspector for tbird? | 18:20 |
| asac | i mean as a -dom-inspector package? | 18:20 |
| asac | i think i dumped that at some point during 2.0 | 18:20 |
| asac | as it was broken since late 1.5 | 18:20 |
| asac | but now that i use shredder for bugs i would like to add some features and DOM inspector would help ;) | 18:21 |
| fta | the xul one should work | 18:21 |
| asac | hmm | 18:21 |
| fta | providing maxversion is fine | 18:21 |
| asac | fta: do we ship that with targetapplication toolkit@mozilla.org? | 18:21 |
| asac | fta: we should fix that. instead of adding all the targetapps just add that | 18:21 |
| fta | oh, i didn't add the xuladdon path | 18:22 |
| fta | let me fix xul 1st | 18:23 |
| asac | fta: ok works fine | 18:23 |
| asac | fta: while you are at it :) ... replace the ffox targetapplication with toolkit@mozilla.org and min 1.9.1a1 and max 1.9.1.* | 18:23 |
| asac | or | 18:23 |
| asac | 1.9.1.0a1 ... not sure | 18:24 |
| asac | fta: until we use system xul we could then ship a tbird-dom-inspector package that just adds a link | 18:24 |
| asac | fta: do we have thunderbird-addons too? | 18:25 |
| asac | fta: hmm. we should do that at least i guess | 18:25 |
| asac | fta: hmm gnome-support isnt working? | 18:29 |
| asac | it doesnt honour my gnome preferred browser | 18:29 |
| asac | ok installing it would help ;)( | 18:29 |
| asac | hmm still doesnt work | 18:30 |
| fta | what is $LASTVERSION in http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling ? | 18:30 |
| asac | fta: /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.3/components/libnkgnomevfs.so | 18:31 |
| asac | that is missing in tbird gnome support | 18:31 |
| asac | fta: for our case LASTVERSION doesnt matter ... does it? | 18:31 |
| asac | fta: thats only an example ... usually you do this migration stuff only once | 18:32 |
| asac | e.g. when you upgrade from something lower or equal the last version | 18:32 |
| asac | butin our case we want to remove all obsolete configs all the time | 18:32 |
| asac | if they dont have md5sum mismatch of course | 18:32 |
| asac | fta: so just dont if dpkg ---compare-version | 18:32 |
| asac | fta: hmm | 18:33 |
| asac | fta: now that i look ... its a bit different for us | 18:33 |
| fta | yep | 18:33 |
| asac | fta: i think you will figure. we want to remove all obsolet that are not modified | 18:33 |
| asac | shoudl be simple ;) | 18:33 |
| asac | dpkg-query is a good start i guess | 18:33 |
| crimsun | asac: RE bug 279346, ask that the reporter does not have an ~/.asoundrc, that the reporter has libasound2-plugins installed. It /can/ be a pulseaudio issue; please ask the reporter to try the pulseaudio deb in my PPA. [If it in turn is a pa issue, then it's better in luke's 0.9.13 PPA debs.] | 18:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 279346 in flashplugin-nonfree "no sound in youtube in intrepid" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279346 | 18:34 |
| asac | fta: $ dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}' xulrunner-1.9 | grep obsolete | 18:34 |
| asac | those we want to check with md5sum and remove | 18:35 |
| asac | and 1.9.1 of coruse | 18:35 |
| fta | yeah, already done, testing now | 18:38 |
| asac | crimsun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/FlashAnswers | 18:39 |
| asac | ;) | 18:39 |
| crimsun | :-) | 18:39 |
| asac | crimsun: anything the people should add? e.g. like sound card or so? | 18:39 |
| crimsun | asac: I don't think so | 18:40 |
| asac | crimsun: so what should happen i nwhat case? if your packages fix it -> alsa-plugins bug? | 18:40 |
| asac | if themuso fixes it -> pulseaudio | 18:41 |
| asac | if 1. or 2 -> invalid ;) | 18:41 |
| crimsun | asac: well, it's always tied to pulseaudio somehow. intrepid's pa has stability problems (known); luke's PPA debs resolve many of those crashers. sometimes reporters have stale ~/.asoundrc*, which mucks up things. | 18:42 |
| asac | fta: we have official branding in desktop menu, but the ugly letter as window icon ...is that a bug in packaging (e.g. gnome official icon) or in tbird? | 18:42 |
| fta | i don't remember, i'll check. i'm multi-tasking by 4 right now :S | 18:45 |
| asac | crimsun: ok i will do the first round then only i gues ... just wanted to do something instead of just reassigning somewhere ;) | 18:45 |
| asac | fta: thats good ... multi stuff keeps you younger than felt ;) | 18:45 |
| fta | damn, the file is now removed for good | 19:04 |
| asac | fta: i need gnome support quick ;) | 19:09 |
| asac | i cannot select a binary manualkly because file dialog crashes ;) | 19:09 |
| fta | strange, noone reported that to me | 19:10 |
| asac | fta: click link so you get asked for application ... | 19:10 |
| asac | then in file chooser type | 19:10 |
| asac | ctrl+l | 19:10 |
| asac | -> /usr/bin/firefox (hit enter) | 19:10 |
| asac | freeze + crash | 19:10 |
| asac | hmm | 19:11 |
| asac | this reminds me of bugs i read against ffox 3.0 today in launchpad | 19:11 |
| asac | they said that they cannot save files anymore because file chooser freezes stuff | 19:11 |
| asac | bug 274661 | 19:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 274661 in flashplugin-nonfree "Firefox freezes with various Flash Uploaders from different web pages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274661 | 19:13 |
| asac | but thats not the bug i ment | 19:13 |
| asac | strange cant find it anymore .) | 19:15 |
| fta | asac, $ wget -qO- http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19186453/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.thunderbird-3.0_3.0~b1~hg20081031r785%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta2_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz | zgrep -c nkgnomevf | 19:33 |
| fta | 0 | 19:33 |
| fta | so libnkgnomevfs.so is not even built | 19:34 |
| asac | fta: hmm | 19:59 |
| asac | fta: and gnome-vfs? | 19:59 |
| asac | fta: maybe we need to enable gnomevfs | 20:00 |
| asac | fta: usually it was --eanble-gconf --eanble-gnomevfs | 20:00 |
| fta | i'm sure i had that.. strangely, it's gone | 20:01 |
| fta | how could i force my gre file to be reinstalled ? | 20:01 |
| asac | fta: --purge | 20:02 |
| asac | install ;) | 20:02 |
| asac | (old) | 20:02 |
| asac | fta: or try to be hacky and manipulate Conffiles in dpkg status file | 20:03 |
| asac | manually | 20:03 |
| asac | and reinstall after that | 20:03 |
| asac | /var/lib/dpkg/status | 20:03 |
| asac | but if it breaks dont blame me ;) | 20:03 |
| fta | there's no api to add a file in there ? | 20:04 |
| asac | fta: mvo said "dpkg comes from hell" ;) | 20:05 |
| asac | that made me believe keeping it as a blackbox might be beneficial | 20:06 |
| asac | fta: here is the crasher bug :) ... i think: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/288529 | 20:21 |
| asac | the file dialog thing | 20:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 288529 in firefox-3.0 "firefox, nautilus, transmission " [Medium,Confirmed] | 20:22 |
| asac | renamed now ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/288529 | 20:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 288529 in firefox-3.0 "firefox, nautilus, transmission crash when using gtk file dialog" [Medium,Confirmed] | 20:24 |
| asac | fta: also track seb128 for karma ;) | 20:29 |
| asac | i want to detect manipulation ;) | 20:29 |
| fta | done | 20:29 |
| asac | fta: tomorrow is meeting ;) | 20:38 |
| asac | in case you forgot | 20:38 |
| fta | yep, got the remainder | 20:38 |
| fta | ix:~$ lsb_release -c | 20:57 |
| fta | Codename: jaunty | 20:57 |
| fta | asac, libnkgnomevfs.so is a browser thing, not xul, hence not tb | 21:28 |
| fta | mozilla bug 461399 | 21:37 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 461399 in Installer: XPInstall Engine "xpinstall.whitelist.add preferences should be extensible" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=461399 | 21:37 |
| Jazzva | asac, I'll skip the meeting :(. I have to go to a friend... | 21:42 |
| fta | [reed], is hg.m.o dead? | 22:24 |
| fta | asac, > 45k | 23:34 |
| fta | asac, i just passed 13k :( | 23:35 |
| fta | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xul-explorer/xul-explorer.head | 23:52 |
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