[00:29] <ceafu> hi everyone I have an encrypted private directory question.  I use it in gnome and have 2 scripts mount/unmount that mount it on my desktop. in xubunutu (xfce) it shows up in my home, but not on desktop. Am I missing something or can I just use the folder in my home?
[00:30] <favro> you can use the folder in home or mount it to ~/Desktop
[00:32] <ceafu> When I click my mount or unmount scripts I use in Gnome, they do nothing in xfce. any ideas?  I will just use the one in home, but am curious
[00:33] <stweston> hi, all. I'm trying to install Ubuntu on my iMac G3 (with the correct processor type), but I can't seem to get the CD-ROM drive mounted. Is this a problem with anyone else, or is it just one with old macs?
[00:33] <favro> hard to say without seeing the scripts - it "should" work the same in both
[00:33] <stweston> okay.
[00:33] <favro> ceafu: ^
[00:34] <stweston> and... is the drive an IDE or SCSI?
[00:34] <ceafu> ok cool. thanks for info.
[00:34] <favro> stweston: tried asking in #ubuntu-ppc?
[00:34] <stweston> no, I haven't.
[00:34] <favro> they should know
[00:35] <stweston> don't you mean, #ubuntu-powerpc?
[00:35] <ceafu> stewston, sorry to but in, are you having an issue booting off of the cd?
[00:35] <ceafu> and sorry for name typo
[00:35] <stweston> somewhat. I booted fine under Server, but not previously under Xubuntu.
[00:35] <favro> stweston: #ubuntu-ppc will link to there
[00:35] <stweston> oh. I'm already there, then...
[00:35] <stweston> favro: thanks.
[00:36] <favro> np
[00:36] <ceafu> i am a mac user and i had to boot with a nosplash command or something like that...
[00:36] <stweston> oh!
[00:36] <ceafu> on a ppc ibook
[00:36] <ceafu> acpi=nosplash  i do not recall exactly
[00:36] <stweston> oh. I see... well, this is Server that I"m tyring now...
[00:36] <ceafu> oops. my bad. good luck anyways.
[00:36] <stweston> yeah. thanks!
[00:36] <stweston> it's for my brother's birthday coming next month, so...
[00:37] <stweston> I know - what an odd present to give, right?
[00:37] <stweston> ANYWAY...
[00:37] <stweston> thanks, again!
[00:38] <stweston> wait... where exactly would the CD drive be located under the filesystem on a mac? or is that the same too?
[00:39] <ball> stweston: On MacOS X?
[00:39] <stweston> no, under Linux.
[00:39] <favro> /dev/cdrom
[00:39] <favro> normally
[00:39] <stweston> hm...
[00:39] <stweston> it's not loading like that, though.
[00:40] <favro> /dev/cdrom0 maybe
[00:40] <stweston> all right. I'll try that.
[00:40] <stweston> nope.
[00:40] <favro>  /media/cdrom
[00:40] <stweston> okay. will try.
[00:42] <stweston> hm... neither /media/cdrom nor /media/cdrom0 work.
[00:42] <stweston> does it have any PC card(s) that need servicing?
[00:42] <ball> stweston: dmesg|grep cdrom
[00:42] <stweston> ball: how would I use that, exactly?
[00:43] <stweston> ball: just the same place as I would type in /dev/cdrom and such?
[00:43] <ball> That depends.  Where are you typing in /dev/cdrom?
[00:43] <stweston> in a window that says "[!!] Detect and Mount CD-ROM" at the top
[00:44] <stweston> sorry for the vagueness...
[00:44] <favro> try in a terminal  dmesg|grep cdrom
[00:44] <stweston> okay.
[00:45] <stweston> so, what is it I'm supposed to see?
[00:45] <stweston> anything about the "kernel command line"?
[00:46] <favro> lines from the dmesg showing cdrom - if there are errors or ...
[00:46] <stweston> I see one line, including a directory that starts with file=/cdrom/...
[00:46] <stweston> would it be that?
[00:47] <stweston> and if so, what would I do with that information?
[00:47] <favro> if that is the only line try browsing to that dir
[00:47] <stweston> okay...
[00:47] <stweston> will do
[00:47] <favro> and see what's there
[00:48] <stweston> I tried an ls of the directory, but no such dir.
[00:49] <favro> didn't think that would show - you need some ppc specific help I'm afraid
[00:50] <stweston> oh. I see.
[00:50] <stweston> thanks, anyway, though!
[00:50] <stweston> wait - what should I maybe ask?
[00:50] <stweston> about the current situation, I mean.
[00:51] <favro> I'd start of with asking for a link to install xubuntu on the g3
[00:51] <stweston> all right...
[00:51] <favro> read the topic in the ppc channel as well
[00:52] <stweston> all right.
[00:52] <stweston> found it!
[00:52] <stweston> methinks.
[00:52] <stweston> yup.
[00:53] <stweston> but this is where I got the server install for this current CD.
[00:54] <favro> so tell the ppc channel that and ask about the cd drive not showing
[00:54] <stweston> okay.
[01:32] <mib_aqkwf7> hola guys
[01:32] <stweston> hey
[01:32] <mib_aqkwf7> i have xubuntu 8.04 installed with wubi
[01:32] <mib_aqkwf7> can i dist-upgrade it?
[01:33] <stweston> sorry... I at least can't help you. My guess is that it would be a yes, but you should check with the experts.
[01:33] <mib_aqkwf7> i mean
[01:33] <mib_aqkwf7> i tried
[01:33] <mib_aqkwf7> but for some reason it doesn't work
[01:34] <favro> hardy is lts - you need to deselect the lts only box in the update manager
[01:34] <mib_aqkwf7> http://mibbit.com/pb/kwkayb
[01:34] <mib_aqkwf7> ohh ok
[01:35] <mib_aqkwf7> can i do it with update manager too? lemme try :)
[01:47] <aerdnah> so
[01:48] <aerdnah> do i have to change repository to do the dist-upgrade?
[01:50] <favro> nope
[01:50] <favro> !upgrade
[01:51] <aerdnah> can i do it from wubi right?
[01:52] <favro> I've never used wubi but can't see why not - it is still xubuntu
[01:52] <aerdnah> k
[01:52] <aerdnah> lets try, thanks
[01:53] <favro> luck
[01:53] <aerdnah> np, this is just my test laptop
[01:53] <aerdnah> later
[02:02] <TaffinFoxcroft> is anyone here?
[02:02] <favro> nope :)
[02:03] <favro> ask away TaffinFoxcroft
[02:04] <TaffinFoxcroft> my xubuntu install doesn't want to recognise my 2nd internal HDD. is there any way of getting xubuntu to see it?
[02:04] <favro> does it show up in   sudo fdisk -l   run in terminal?
[02:05] <TaffinFoxcroft> it does, but i'm a complete linux noob
[02:06] <ball> nope
[02:06] <favro> we all started as noobs
[02:06] <favro> TaffinFoxcroft: it will be called something like /dev/sdb1 or similar - yes?
[02:07] <TaffinFoxcroft> yes, by the looks of it
[02:07] <favro> can you copy the relevant line to here?
[02:07] <TaffinFoxcroft> ok
[02:08] <TaffinFoxcroft> /dev/sdb1 * 1 4864 39070048+ 7 HPFS/NTFS
[02:08] <stweston> so, I'm trying (again) to install Server on that iMac from earlier; would anyone care to help?
[02:09] <stweston> I'm taking that as a no.
[02:10] <favro> in terminal do   sudo mkdir /media/stuff && sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/stuff    - you can of course use a diff name then stuff
[02:10] <favro> TaffinFoxcroft: ^
[02:10] <TaffinFoxcroft> i pasted it, its a line below "ok"
[02:11] <favro> stweston: I ran out of ideas...
[02:11] <stweston> favro: oh. right.
[02:11] <favro> TaffinFoxcroft: that was a command to run in the terminal
[02:11] <stweston> favro: well, could you please remind me what we had covered? It's been a bit since I last tried...
[02:11] <stweston> favro: about an hour at least.
[02:12] <TaffinFoxcroft> favro: oops, that slipped past...
[02:12] <stweston> make that an hour & 45 mins.
[02:12] <favro> stweston: you couldn't find the cdrom right - and I suggested the ppc channel - you might need to wait for them to wake up
[02:12] <stweston> favro: yeah. good point... how long til that happens?
[02:13] <favro> stweston: at a guess I would say 4-6 hours maybe - I would ask a question and check maybe hourly
[02:13] <stweston> shoot... I'll be in bed by then.
[02:14] <favro> it was just a guess
[02:14] <stweston> okay... I don't suppose you know how to list things by pressing the spacebar or whatever to scroll down in the Terminal, do you?
[02:14] <favro> TaffinFoxcroft: did the command run ok?
[02:14] <stweston> or if anyone does.
[02:14] <favro> stweston: list what sort of things?
[02:15] <stweston> favro: long lists and such. like, instead of three columns, 1 or whatever... I'm trying 'ls /dev' in the installer.
[02:15] <TaffinFoxcroft> favro: yes, thanks for the help.
[02:15] <favro> try ls | less
[02:15] <stweston> okay.
[02:15] <favro> stweston: ^
[02:16] <stweston> gotcha
[02:16] <favro> hit enter for more
[02:16] <stweston> I don't understand, exactly... sorry
[02:17] <stweston> the | is the \ button, right?
[02:17] <stweston> only with shift?
[02:17] <favro> ls /dev | less   will fill the page and stop - you have a read - hit enter to read more
[02:17] <stweston> oh
[02:17] <favro> the | is shift+\ here
[02:17] <stweston> yes. exactly.
[02:18] <stweston> thanks!
[02:18] <favro> TaffinFoxcroft: you can have that disk mounted at boot if you want with a little work
[02:19] <TaffinFoxcroft> favro: really?
[02:19] <stweston> so, what exactly am I supposed to type? I keep getting "less: not found"
[02:19] <favro> TaffinFoxcroft: yep - it involves adding one line to the file /etc/fstab
[02:19] <stweston> favro: ^
[02:19] <TaffinFoxcroft> cool.
[02:19] <TaffinFoxcroft> where can i get this line?
[02:19] <favro> stweston: try ls /dev | more   then
[02:19] <stweston> okay.
[02:20] <favro> TaffinFoxcroft: we can make it now
[02:20] <stweston> aha!
[02:20] <stweston> thanks!
[02:20] <TaffinFoxcroft> sweet.
[02:20] <favro> TaffinFoxcroft: in terminal type   gksu mousepad /etc/fstab
[02:20] <stweston> question... what should I look for in terms of the CD drive? what kind of devices?
[02:21] <TaffinFoxcroft> yep, now what?
[02:21] <favro> TaffinFoxcroft: add the line   /dev/sdb1       /media/stuff     ntfs-3g    defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[02:22] <favro> stweston: here it is only listed as cdrom or cdrom0
[02:22] <stweston> hm....
[02:22] <stweston> I'll look.
[02:23] <stweston> wow. this really stinks...
[02:23] <favro> stweston: you can do   ls /dev | grep cdrom   or whatever you are looking for
[02:23] <stweston> all right.
[02:23] <favro> grep means find lines with the following word in them
[02:24] <stweston> all right
[02:24] <stweston> it's recognizing the ports and peripherals and such, but no CD-R drive!
[02:24] <stweston> this *really* doesn't make much sense.
[02:25] <favro> stweston: the prob here is that the ppc architecture might list things diff - and I don't know if the linux commands work the same with it
[02:25] <stweston> they prolly do, but not with the same devices, methinks.
[02:25] <stweston> just saying.
[02:25] <favro> k
[02:27] <favro> stweston: do you have a /cdrom folder - ls /cdrom
[02:27] <stweston> hm...
[02:27] <stweston> nope
[02:27] <favro> TaffinFoxcroft: then you save the file and close it
[02:27] <TaffinFoxcroft> favro: one quick question: how do you delete a directory in terminal?
[02:28] <favro> stweston: a /dvd folder
[02:28] <stweston> lemme check.
[02:28] <TaffinFoxcroft> and i saved and rebooted it, and its working fine
[02:28] <stweston> no such file or directory... I guess /cdrom has one, but it just has nothing in it.
[02:28] <favro> TaffinFoxcroft: sudo rm -r   if it is a system file   rm -r if it is in your home folder
[02:28] <TaffinFoxcroft> ok, thanks
[02:29] <favro> stweston: is there a cd in the drive?
[02:29] <stweston> wait - doesn't RM do something bad?
[02:29] <stweston> favro: yes.
[02:29] <stweston> favro: it wouldn't boot from anything else.
[02:29] <stweston> favro: well, this or OS X.
[02:29] <favro> stweston: you can get a ban if you suggest sudo rm -r /
[02:29] <stweston> favro: oh. I see.
[02:31] <stweston> favro: what does it do, exactly?
[02:31] <favro> stweston: there's a cd in the drive but the system doesn't see it right/ - that is why I was suggesting a ppc channel
[02:31] <stweston> favro: aah.
[02:31] <favro> stweston: it will delete the system files and render it useless
[02:31] <stweston> favro: what about #ubuntu?
[02:31] <stweston> favro: I see.
[02:31] <favro> you could try
[02:31] <favro> in #ubuntu
[02:31] <stweston> all right. I will.
[02:31] <favro> luck
[02:32] <stweston> yup
[02:32] <stweston> thanks
[02:32] <favro> np :)
[03:05] <ball> Is there any truth to the rumour that it's possible to turn Ubuntu into Xubuntu?
[03:06] <stweston> I believe so, ball
[03:07] <ball> stweston
[03:07] <ball> oops
[03:07] <ball> thanks.
[03:07] <stweston> yup
[03:13] <ball> Okay, trying that through Synaptic
[03:14] <ball> It will be interesting to see what happens.
[03:17] <ball> That reminds me, I need to validate my launchpad login
[03:21] <ball> ...and eat more cake
[03:26] <Odd-rationale> ball: install xubuntu-desktop
[03:26] <Odd-rationale> and you got xubuntu! :D
[03:27] <ball> Odd-rationale: that didn't take long to download at all.  I'm guessing I have to reboot now
[03:28] <Odd-rationale> ball: nope. just log out... and choose xfce from the gdm sessions menu :P
[03:29] <ball> Okay.  brb (hopefully)
[03:43] <tdizzle86> I was wondering if anyone can help me out with some video issues I'm having?
[03:47] <ball> yeah, I broke it.
[03:49] <ball> Is it difficult to install (or enable) sshd?
[03:51] <tdizzle86> installation is easy, configuration is another story
[03:53] <ball> Perhaps I should resort to VNC then
[03:54] <tdizzle86> It just depends on what you want it to do.  I just set it up so I can connect to my linux machines for command line.
[03:55] <ball> That would be a start.
[03:55] <Blaenk> hey guys I'm wondering what the minimum system requirements are for 8.10 xubuntu
[03:55] <tdizzle86> It gets tricky when working with the public key authentication.  If you don't want to do that then installation will take less than 3 min
[03:55] <Blaenk> I'm using the alternate install disk
[03:55] <hunk_> alguien habla español?
[03:56] <hunk_> necesito un empujon :(
[03:56] <ball> tdizzle86: what's the drill?
[03:56] <ball> hola hunk_
[03:56] <hunk_> hola
[03:56] <hunk_> que suerte
[03:56] <hunk_> tengo un problemilla
[03:56] <tdizzle86> Do you want to use synaptic, or want to do it from the command line
[03:56] <hunk_> mira que se me han desaparecido las barras de mi xubuntu :(
[03:57] <hunk_> mande un alt + F2 -> xfce4 panel y las recupero
[03:57] <ball> tdizzle86: whiever is quicker
[03:57] <hunk_> pero en cuanto cierro mi ses. se me desaparecen :(
[03:57] <Blaenk> hunk_'s XFCE bars seem to have dissappeared (the top/bottom ones), that's his problem
[03:57] <Blaenk> hunk_: que es un ses?
[03:57] <ball> Is it xfce-desktop that provides those?
[03:58] <hunk_> session
[03:58] <hunk_> ses
[03:58] <hunk_> ses = session
[03:58] <ball> xfce-session?
[03:58] <hunk_> mi session de usuario (reinicio)
[03:58] <Blaenk> he says he does alt +f2 and does xfce4-panel and he gets them back
[03:58] <hunk_> cuando reinicio se me vuelven a desaparecer, entonces tengo que volver a ejecutar "xfce4-panel" para que me aparezcan
[03:58] <Blaenk> but as soon as he closes his session they disappear again
[03:59] <Blaenk> anyone think they can help him? I'm just translating
[03:59] <Blaenk> I'll help interpreting, I don't mind
[04:00] <hunk_> :(
[04:00] <fornax> Hi, does anyone know what it means when my caps lock blinks when the system is loading (or sometimes when it is already loaded)?  Whenever it blinks the system appears to be in a hard freeze.
[04:00] <tdizzle86> ball type this in the command line, "sudo apt-get openssh-server"
[04:01] <ball> tdizzle86: okay, I'll run to the study and try that now
[04:01] <ball> anything I need to do after it's installed?
[04:01] <tdizzle86> No, I don't believe so
[04:02] <tdizzle86> you may want to get the client too "sudo apt-get install openssh-client
[04:04] <Blaenk> can someone please tell me what the minimum system requirements for xubuntu are? I find it ironic that they aren't found anywhere yet it's considered the one for 'lower-end/older PCs'
[04:04] <tdizzle86> hang on a sec, I'll see if I can find them
[04:04] <Blaenk> thank you tdizzle86
[04:06] <tdizzle86> Blaenk: Minimum system requirements To run the Desktop CD (LiveCD + Install CD), you need 128 MB RAM to run or 192 MB RAM to install. The Alternate Install CD only requires you to have 64 MB RAM. To install Xubuntu, you need 1.5 GB of free space on your hard disk. Once installed, Xubuntu can run with 192 MB RAM, but it is strongly recommended to have at least 256 MB RAM.
[04:06] <fornax> Hmm.  That's pretty steep for the DSL of Ubuntu, isn't it?
[04:07] <Blaenk> thank you tdizzle86
[04:07] <tdizzle86> lol, I think I got it to run with 128MB of Ram
[04:08] <Blaenk> I think the box has 256, I hope so
[04:08] <fornax> I've checked the CD, and there's no errors.  On a likely related note, my Windows install has suddenly also seemed to go bonkers (BSOD: PAGE FILE IN NON PAGED AREA).  It was running fine yesterday.  Any suggestions on what I should try first, or what might be causing this?
[04:09] <tdizzle86> Have you tried a memory test?
[04:09] <fornax> Hmm, no.
[04:10] <fornax> I just got it back from service, they said they replaced the memory.
[04:10] <fornax> I just do that through the LiveCD, right?
[04:11] <tdizzle86> yes it should have memtest on there
[04:11] <fornax> Alright, I'll try that, thanks
[04:11] <ball> tdizzle86: that enabled me to ssh in and run Xclients, so thanks.'
[04:11] <tdizzle86> Your welcome
[04:12] <ball> It would be nice if I could somehow bring up :0 (on the Xubuntu box) as a window (on another box), but I imagine that's non-trivial
[04:36] <ball> I fell asleep
[04:42] <hat0> has anyone else installed the gsynaptics touchpad control panel?  i did so, via synaptic, and there is no icon in the xfce settings manager, just the text "Synaptics settings" (which, lacking an icon, sits aligned to the top of the row, rather than the bottom)
[04:42] <ball> hello hat0
[04:42] <hat0> hi ball
[04:44] <hat0> another question -- is there an equivalent to displayconfig-gtk in 8.10?  (if it's in a package, which package?)
[04:44]  * ball grins, having just launched xfce4-panel attached to MacOS X
[04:49] <ball> Can up upgrade to Ubuntu 8.10 from the command line (or from a menu)?
[04:55] <ball> join #ubuntu-uk
[04:55] <ball> oops, sorry
[05:47] <nonie> hello guys
[05:48] <nonie> i have just burned an xubuntu 8.10 copy
[05:48] <nonie> how can i upgrade may existing 8.04 to 8.10 using the cd instead
[05:48] <cody-somerville> nonie, it would have to be the alternative cd
[05:49] <nonie> i have the alternate cd, how can i do the upgrade?
[05:51] <cody-somerville> Pop the cd in
[05:51] <cody-somerville> and tada!
[05:51] <nonie> kewl, thanks . i did an upgrade in the office but i did it online
[05:52] <nonie> its a long process, i never had rebooted the machine coz i have
[05:52] <nonie> to go home that time.
[05:53] <nonie> thnks for the  help.
[05:54] <cody-somerville> :)
[05:54] <cody-somerville> np
[06:11] <zerothis> ﻿does xubuntu include an easy way to see current disk usage? (not just current free space)?
[06:15] <nonie> where can I find the deb files that was downloaded during the synaptic installation?
[07:25] <listdata> zerothis: you could try conky
[07:35] <jepong> hi... just like to comment that i love the new xubuntu.org site
[07:35] <jepong> :-)
[09:03] <uvok> hello
[09:04] <favro> !hi
[09:05] <uvok> Is it possible to disable the sasseion-saving completely? I don't want this dialog which asks me if I want to continue a new session or start a new one. I want a new session every time I log in (I want to start with a "blank screen") and it shuldn't save the session.
[09:05] <uvok> sasseion-saving => session-saving
[09:05] <TheSheep> uvok: settings->setting manager->sessions and startup
[09:05] <TheSheep> uvok: there is an option to disable it
[09:07] <uvok> TheSheep, Which options should I disable? The 1st and the 2nd?
[09:07] <TheSheep> uvok: probably, they all have descriptions if you hold the mouse cursor over them
[09:15] <uvok> TheSheep, Thanks. I tried it before, but it didn't work then. Now it worked. (Maybe because I crossed the "Sve session" button on the logout-screen....)
[09:16] <uvok> ... the last time i tried
[09:16] <TheSheep> possible
[09:16] <TheSheep> uvok: if you have any trouble with saved sessions, just delete the ~/.cache/sessions direcotory
[09:16] <TheSheep> directory
[09:16] <TheSheep> that will give you a fresh start with them
[09:17] <uvok> thanks, i'll try
[11:18] <whyking__> hi
[11:19] <whyking__> I just upgraded to intrepid but I can't get X working with dual monitors.. I was using nvidia drivers with twinview, but since nvidia drivers do not work with X I have to use nv, I reckon it does not support twinview so I would have to use xinerama, correct so far?
[11:32] <favro> sounds right whyking__
[12:07] <nikolam> Ok, How do I format and use floppy disk in 8.10?
[12:08] <nikolam> there is no even device in /dev/
[12:11] <nikolam> I am using 64-bit xubuntu 8.10
[12:11] <nikolam> and in order to update MB bios i need to write it to the FD
[12:12] <favro> does it show in   sudo fdisk -l   ?
[12:15] <nikolam> favro, NO
[12:16] <favro> in    lsusb   maybe?
[12:16] <nikolam> it seems that there is nothing like *fd* in /dev
[12:16] <nikolam> it is not usb device, favro
[12:16] <favro> oops a floppy
[12:16] <nikolam> yes. Ordinary plain floppy
[12:17] <nikolam> Obviously not supported by kernel in 8.10... or by system..
[12:17] <favro> here the floppy is listed in /dev/fd
[12:17] <nikolam> no it is not
[12:17] <nikolam> its not floppy
[12:18] <nikolam> i tried to link it or mount it
[12:19] <nikolam> it sirectory containing links .. 0 -> /dev/pts/0
[12:19] <nikolam> what`s that? ...
[12:20] <nikolam> I added gnome--utils and gfloppy is saying: Cannot initialize device Unable to open any device, formatting cannot continue.
[12:22] <nikolam> favro
[12:22] <nikolam> I did sudo modprobe floppy
[12:23] <nikolam> I now have floppy device in /dev/fd0
[12:23] <nikolam> But I don`t know after restart..
[12:23] <nikolam> I also need to change manually /etc/fstab..
[12:24] <favro> try this - /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[12:25] <nikolam> after modprobe an changing fstab, icon appears on desktop
[12:25] <nikolam> I added /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0
[12:25] <nikolam> also it complains that i need to make mountpoint..
[12:25] <favro> mkdir /media/floppy0
[12:26] <nikolam> yes. And now I opened it from desktop icon.
[12:26] <nikolam> Finaly
[12:26] <favro> :)
[12:27] <nikolam> So, conclusion is that someone screwed up floppy support in 8.10
[12:27] <nikolam> and there is a reason to file a bug report. ;)
[12:27] <favro> !launchpad
[12:28] <ball> I wonder how many developers still have machines with floppy drives
[12:31] <nikolam> ball, better to think about.. how many Users with old machines has floppy drives..
[12:31] <nikolam> Maybe all of them with older machines
[12:32] <favro> I haven't used a floppy since win98
[12:33] <ball> nikolam: right, but if the developers don't then it becomes hard for them to test.
[12:34] <ball> ...and I haven't built a machine with a flopy drive for years.
[12:34] <ball> I might still have some 5.25" drives somewhere though.
[12:34] <nikolam> anyway, i will post a bug
[12:35] <nikolam> sunce most of xubuntu users at least, wants them in their older machines
[12:35] <nikolam> And xubuntu is mostly for that etc..
[12:36] <nikolam> Ok, Su All got to go flashing bios
[12:40] <ball> I would happily run Xubuntu on a brand new machine.
[12:54] <DefineByte> I'm stuck at the 'Cleaning up' stage of the upgrade and I'm not sure how best to proceed.
[13:40] <tsillbill> hi
[13:41] <Indoctrine> Hai
[13:41] <tsillbill> hmm
[13:42] <Indoctrine> Hmm?
[13:42] <tsillbill> I thought i need help but now i dont need help :D man i love xubuntu
[13:42] <Indoctrine> Haha
[13:42] <Indoctrine> :p
[13:42] <Indoctrine> I only switched from straight Ubuntu today
[13:43] <Indoctrine> The only thing I don't like is the inability to turn touchpad clicks off, it's annoying
[13:43] <tsillbill> oh i need help still :D how can i see my computers on my local network :D
[13:43] <_sebastian_> hi all, just wanted to make a new clean install of xub but all options I tried hang when starting gnome-desktop manager - can anyone help?
[13:43] <Indoctrine> tsillbill: Good point, I can't see mine either. :P
[13:44] <tsillbill> i did seen ubuntu but not in xubuntu
[13:44] <Indoctrine> Ah
[13:44] <Indoctrine> Might be because I haven't yet set up smbclient
[13:45] <Indoctrine> tsillbill: You can set it up in Shared Folders
[13:46] <tsillbill> ok my new at this linux stuff so were is shared folders :D
[13:46] <Indoctrine> Applications -> System -> Shared Folders
[13:47] <tsillbill> ok for got that my zub is in estonian
[13:55] <ball> I would like to visit Estonia one day.
[13:55] <tsillbill> why?
[13:55] <Indoctrine> Tiny place with nothing to do. :p
[13:55] <ball> It's somewhere I've wanted to go for a long time.
[13:56] <tsillbill> like Indoctrine said tiny and nothing to do here :D
[13:56] <Mopman> everyone always says that about where they live ;)
[13:57] <tsillbill> but this place is small and there is nothing to do here :D
[13:58] <ball> "nothing to do" sounds right up my alley.
[13:58] <tsillbill> lol :D
[13:58] <ball> Anyway, I'd best go and wake Mrs. ball
[13:59] <tsillbill> damn still cant see my other computer
[14:01] <Jammet> Hello there ...
[14:02] <tsillbill> hi
[14:03] <Ad0> hello
[14:07] <Jammet> I have a problem with Inteprid here, cannot get X11 to have Xv support. I use the Ati-drivers and Xoverlay somehow just doesn't work, xvinfo shows me that no supported device was found.
[14:07] <Ad0> oops
[14:08] <Ad0> what ati drivers? did you use envy-ng?
[14:08] <Jammet> I don't know what envy-ng is, it's the Ati drivers Ubuntu suggests to use after installing.
[14:09] <Jammet> The non-free ones I suppose.
[14:09] <Ad0> yes
[14:09] <Ad0> try envy-ng to install
[14:10] <Ad0> wow my text got supersmall now
[14:10] <Jammet> What is envy-ng?
[14:11] <Ad0> http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[14:12] <Indoctrine> How do I mount my Samba share? It just came up in the Network thing in Ubuntu after installing Samba; now I can't see my workgroup
[14:12] <Ad0> smbmount
[14:13] <Jammet> Are you sure it's a driver problem? I was hoping it's simply a matter of putting the right Options and Extensions into xorg.conf.
[14:13] <_sebastian_> ﻿hi all, just wanted to make a new clean install of xub but all options I tried hang when starting gnome-desktop manager - can anyone help?
[14:17] <Indoctrine> Ad0: That doesn't work
[14:17] <Indoctrine> Ad0: It says I don't have the file permissions even when running it through sudo
[14:19] <Ad0> lol
[14:19] <Ad0> you have to set user and pass
[14:19] <Ad0> it's in the options
[14:19] <Indoctrine> Urgh
[14:20] <Indoctrine> Not even that works as far as I can see
[14:38] <Ad0> :(
[14:40] <Ad0> damnit
[14:46] <pidgas> I notice that the Listen player was added to Intrepid
[14:46] <pidgas> I'm having the weirdest problem with the sound system and I can't hear anything played in Listen
[14:48] <pidgas> I can hear sounds in Pidgin, but only if I use `aplay %s`.  I can hear sound from Audacious, but only if I use the ALSA plugin.  VLC plays sounds fine.  I've gone through the troubleshooting and it looks like my sound card is set up properly.  Is this a PulseAudio problem?
[14:48] <pidgas> Listen player produces no sound.
[14:48] <TheSheep> pidgas: xubuntu doesn't use pulseaudio by default
[14:49] <pidgas> ah
[14:49] <pidgas> interesting
[14:49] <TheSheep> pidgas: also, make sure you have mp3 codecs installed
[14:49] <pidgas> rgr - they are
[14:49] <TheSheep> !mp3
[14:49] <Mopman> Winamp 5.54 paused
[14:52] <pidgas> thanks for the tips.  Does Listen player use ALSA by default?  Is it worth using Pulse?  Probably wrong place to ask, but if you have thoughts I'm interested.
[14:52] <pidgas> @TheSheep: Thanks!
[14:54] <Ad0> font size on everything is so small
[14:55] <bytor4232> Ha!
[14:55] <bytor4232> Figured out my cdrom problem on my laptop.
[14:56] <bytor4232> A few months ago I disabled hal polling on my cd burner to preserve battery power
[14:56] <bytor4232> I was able to burn cds with this disabled.  Apparently the latest versions of Brasero, thou, needs hal polling to detect a CD in the drive.
[14:57] <Ad0> omg can't see anything
[14:57] <Ad0> I seriously need help
[14:58] <pidgas> Ad0: is this a new problem?
[15:03] <Ad0> it's a fresh install pidgas
[15:03] <Ad0> I just used envy-NG to install drivers
[15:03] <Ad0> seems like the DPI is smashed
[15:09] <Ad0> fixed by
[15:09] <Ad0> Option   "DPI" "96 x 96"
[15:09] <Ad0> in xorg
[15:12] <Ad0> one other thing
[15:13] <Ad0> terminal insists on popping up every startup
[15:13] <TheSheep> you probably saved it in your session
[15:14] <Ad0> I didn't do anything myself
[15:14] <Ad0> how do I smash my session ? :)
[15:16] <spadewarrior> don't you specify that at log off time?
[15:16] <Ad0> nope
[15:16] <spadewarrior> ah
[15:16] <Ad0> I haven't done anything myself to store session
[15:16] <TheSheep> Ad0: you have a checkobox 'save my session' in the logout dialog
[15:17] <Ad0> yeah
[15:17] <Ad0> but I never checked that
[15:17] <TheSheep> Ad0: and it's enabled by default
[15:17] <Ad0> ok
[15:17] <Ad0> it's disabled now
[15:17] <spadewarrior> in settings manager
[15:17] <Ad0> yeah was disabled
[15:17] <TheSheep> Ad0: you can delete your saved sessions from ~/.cache/sessions
[15:17] <Ad0> that's what I don't get
[15:17] <Ad0> ok cool
[15:17] <spadewarrior> sessions and startup->session chooser
[15:17] <spadewarrior> (and then also at log off)
[15:18] <spadewarrior> sorry, meant 'log out settings'
[15:19] <Ad0> perfect it worked
[15:19] <Ad0> thanks a lot!
[15:19] <Ad0> now I have to set up vdr and all that crpa
[15:19] <spadewarrior> whats vdr?
[15:19] <Ad0> video disk recorder
[15:20] <Ad0> it's like tivo, only for linux :)
[15:20] <Indoctrine> Heh, I ended up mounting my share through mount. :P
[15:20] <Ad0> works with DVB
[15:20] <Indoctrine> Rather than smbmount or smbfuse or any of that stuff
[15:20] <spadewarrior> oh right, sounds cool :)
[15:22] <Ad0> hehe yeah
[15:24] <spadewarrior> Anyone know of a repository that has libxfcegui4-1.0? Can't locate it...
[15:25] <ggreer> is there a live usb creator on the xubuntu live cd?
[15:25] <ggreer> similar to the liveusb thing on the regular ubuntu disc
[15:29] <ggreer> ah, sudo apt-get install usb-creator gets it
[15:35] <ggreer> this place is dead compared to #ubuntu
[15:37] <ggreer> another question to the silent crowd: I use the dvorak keyboard layout, but I prefer to use qwerty keyboard shortcuts. is there a way to have ctrl/alt/meta change the keyboard layout while they're held down?
[15:37] <ggreer> similar to OS X's dvorak-qwerty layout
[15:45] <PsynoKhi0> hi
[15:52] <Eeyore-Jr> ggreer: the noise ratio is better here
[15:52] <ggreer> heh, that's for sure
[15:55] <ggreer> I just got an acer aspire one and I'm installing xubuntu on it. I've never set up a distro on a laptop before
[15:55] <ggreer> desktops and servers are so much easier to set up
[16:08] <ggreer> is there any other way to adjust trackpad acceleration? if I move it to 0 it's too slow but if I move it one pixel over it's way too fast
[16:08] <ggreer> I'm just using the xfce settings manager for this. I'm guessing there's a config file underneath
[16:11] <ggreer> man, I see a bunch of little things as well. gradients are "lit" from inconsistent directions. some stuff is from the top, some stuff is from the bottom. ditto for left/right :/
[16:14] <PsynoKhi0> ggreer: does "grep synaptic /etc/X11/xorg.conf" return anything?
[16:14] <ggreer> hmm, hold on a sec.....
[16:15] <ggreer> nope
[16:17] <PsynoKhi0> hmm
[16:17] <Odd-rationale> ggreer: is this xubuntu 8.10 ?
[16:17] <ggreer> yes
[16:17] <ggreer> fresh install, default everything
[16:18] <Odd-rationale> ok. the xorg.conf of 8.10 is pretty sparse...
[16:18] <ggreer> grep -i returns nothing as well
[16:19] <pidgas> why doesn't xubuntu use pulseaudio?
[16:19] <PsynoKhi0> ggreer: you could use some of the info from Arch Linux wiki http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics
[16:19] <Odd-rationale> could be that xfce's integration with pulse is not as advance as gnome's
[16:20] <PsynoKhi0> ggreer: of course, skip the part with pacman since it's irrelevant to you :)
[16:20] <ggreer> heh
[16:21] <PsynoKhi0> the default settings on that page work fine on my latop and the touchpad is quite comfy to use as a result
[16:22] <Odd-rationale> i've even setup up my touchpad with circular scrolling! :D
[16:22] <ggreer> oh, good. the sensitivity is fine but acceleration is either none or THEYVE GONE TO PLAID
[16:23] <ggreer> is there a way to get multi-touch scrolling? I'm guessing that requires hardware support
[16:23] <Odd-rationale> ggreer: yeah, depends on whether your touchpad soppurts that...
[16:23] <TheSheep> ggreer: just enable it in your xorg.conf and see if it works
[16:23] <TheSheep> ggreer: most modern touchpads support it
[16:23] <Odd-rationale> mine doesn't. :(
[16:24] <TheSheep> mine does, but it's someow broken -- it often scrolls to bottom when I remove my fingers
[16:25] <PsynoKhi0> ggreer: how about "sudo aptitude search synaptics"?
[16:26] <PsynoKhi0> does it return a line with "i" in front?
[16:26] <ggreer> xserver-org-input-synaptics
[16:26] <ggreer> that looks promising
[16:26] <PsynoKhi0> ok so at least the touchpad driver is there
[16:26] <TheSheep> there is also gsynaptics for gui settings
[16:27] <TheSheep> and a plugin for xfce, to have touchpad settings in mouse settings of xfce
[16:27] <ggreer> TheSheep: oh? what's the package name for that plugin?
[16:28] <TheSheep> gsynaptics-mcs-plugin
[16:28] <ggreer> I'm not seeing that one
[16:28] <ggreer> are you on 8.10?
[16:29] <TheSheep> yes
[16:29] <TheSheep> !info gsynaptics-mcs-plugin
[16:29] <ggreer> oh, I bet I don't have the non-free repositories enabled
[16:29] <TheSheep> ggreer: enable the universe repository
[16:29] <TheSheep> yeah
[16:30] <PsynoKhi0> funny I'd expect more people to stick to hardy
[16:30] <ggreer> PsynoKhi0: the AAO has a ton of issues with HH
[16:30] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: gimp 2.6, openoffice 3.0...
[16:31] <PsynoKhi0> eh... you can install OOo 3 debs in hardy
[16:31] <Odd-rationale> oo3 is not it 8.10? is it?
[16:31] <ggreer> also what can I do about windows that are too tall? is there some way to stop them from getting created with >600pixel height?
[16:31] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: dunno, I have it
[16:31] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: but I can't rememeber where from
[16:31] <Odd-rationale> !find openoffice
[16:32] <TheSheep> ggreer: no, but you can hold down alt+ctrl and use arrows to move or resize it
[16:32] <Odd-rationale> !info openoffice.org
[16:32] <TheSheep> ggreer: you can set which keys to use for that in your window manager settings
[16:32] <ggreer> control + alt switches desktops
[16:32] <ggreer> well, control + alt + arrows
[16:33] <TheSheep> ggreer: then maybe it was alt+shift or something
[16:33] <ggreer> whatever, I can look it up. anyway that's better than having to use the crazy trackpad right now :)
[16:34] <TheSheep> I can't remember these keys because I always remap them to use the dreaded windows key
[16:35] <PsynoKhi0> anyway, how about MY needs? :P I have a vanilla ubuntu gutsy that's approaching end of shelflife so I'm more willing to give it a beating, I'd like to switch to xfce using apt-get install xubuntu-desktop but totem-gstreamer conflicts with the xine backend that the xubuntu packages want to install, any way I can avoid that? aptitude keep totem-gstreamer && aptitude install xubuntu-desktop?
[16:37] <ggreer> wow, this _is_ a tiny xorg.conf
[16:37] <ggreer> 34 lines, most of which are whitespace/comments
[16:38] <PsynoKhi0> since hardy xorg ships with a paris hilton conf file...
[16:39] <PsynoKhi0> nothing much interesting and you can't really understand what's going on there anymore
[16:40] <PsynoKhi0> the old ones were intimidating at first but in the end much more useful once you got the hang of it
[16:40] <PsynoKhi0> IMO anyway :)
[16:40] <ggreer> heh
[16:40] <hat0> (asking again since new people are here..)  has anyone else installed the gsynaptics touchpad control panel?  i did so, via synaptic, and there is no icon in the xfce settings manager, just the text "Synaptics settings" (which, lacking an icon, sits aligned to the top of the row, rather than the bottom)
[16:41] <ggreer> oh, and what's the standard xfce graphical text editor?
[16:41] <hat0> ggreer, mousepad?
[16:41] <PsynoKhi0> mousepad I think
[16:41] <ggreer> I didn't see one in accesories
[16:41] <ggreer> ohh
[16:48] <scimmiettarossa> hi! i need help about 8.10 installation... someone could help me?
[16:54] <Odd-rationale> scimmiettarossa: sure. what's the issue?
[17:01] <lee555J5> just installed 8.10 desktop i386 on old box with 768MB RAM and nVidia GeForce4 MX 420 and 19" LCD at 1280x1024... image is shifted about .25in to the right--shifted, not sqeezed. I can live with .25in less on left; but the Quit and Trash icons are almost gone, and all full-screen apps are .25in off the right side of screen.
[17:02] <TheSheep> lee555J5: find an 'autoadjust' menu option in you monitor's osd
[17:02] <TheSheep> lee555J5: and select it
[17:03] <hat0> another question -- is there an equivalent to displayconfig-gtk in 8.10?  (if it's in a package, which package?)
[17:03] <lee555J5> when I change to 1152x864, autoadjust is automatic and screen looks great. change back and shifted right
[17:03] <TheSheep> hat0: there is displayconfig-gtk
[17:04] <TheSheep> lee555J5: each mode requires adjusting separately
[17:04] <hat0> thesheep, which package is it in?  it's not installed by default on my 8.10
[17:04] <TheSheep> hat0: oh, you are right :/
[17:05] <lee555J5> well, damn. that worked.
[17:05] <lee555J5> thanks, TheSheep
[17:05] <TheSheep> hat0: seems it's not there anymore
[17:06] <lee555J5> this was the default res after install. I wonder why the monitor didn't do this automatically with new video sig. Oh, well.
[17:07] <lee555J5> like I said, 1152x864 worked fine with no manual auto-adjust.
[17:07] <lee555J5> just for kix, I'll see what others do. brb
[17:07] <hat0> thesheep, do you know what the replacement would be?  i'd like to see if that xorg 7.4 external monitor support is available to us in xubuntu-land
[17:08] <ggreer> oh, and is there some way to say "don't think trackpad touches are clicks if I already have the left button pressed down"? the slightest wrong move on the trackpad and drag-and-drop stops dragging
[17:09] <scimmiettarossa> anyone experienced freezing during the Xserver start after upgrading to 8.10?
[17:12] <lee555J5> some res' caused an auto-adjust and some didn't. oh, well. 1280x1024@75 seems to work well, now. Thanks, TheSheep.
[17:15] <TheSheep> hat0: no idea, let us know if you find it
[17:15] <TheSheep> hat0: you can try playing with xrand
[17:17] <hat0> thesheep, sure, but to be honest i hate doing those sorts of manual adjustments -- i'm one of those people who came to *buntu from slackware to get away from it, to be able to just use the computer.  :)  it's rare these days to have to do that sort of thing, which makes it all the more surprising
[17:30] <TheSheep> hat0: well, xubuntu will never be as automated as ubuntu
[17:36] <scimmiettarossa> ﻿anyone experienced freezing during the Xserver start after upgrading to 8.10?
[17:36] <hat0> i don't miss most of those things, but frankly speaking i'd be very surprised if the xubuntu solution to dual-monitor support remained, "open up terminal..type xrandr blah blah.." -- esp. since we did have these things in releases past
[17:41] <TheSheep> hat0: I have it bound to a key...
[17:45] <vidd> why not add it to your GDM?
[17:53] <TheSheep> vidd: because I don't want to restart X every time I connect or disconnect a monitor
[17:54] <vidd> TheSheep, it was meant for hat0
[17:55] <vidd> and how often do you swap out monitors?
[17:59] <hat0> well sir, i've got a second monitor hooked up to my laptop - i'd like to be able to unplug it and take the laptop elsewhere, without having to restart x or anything like that
[18:10] <skep> hello, anyone aware of a good calendar applet (similar to rainlendar)?
[18:11] <Odd-rationale> skep: orage?
[18:12] <skep> well..to be honest i find orage very ugly and i would like to have support for .ical format ect.
[18:12] <stweston> anyone here able to help me on my iMac problem as stated about twelve hours ago?
[18:13] <vidd> stweston, i wasnt here then....what was the issue?
[18:14] <stweston> vidd: I couldn't mount my iMac G3's CD-R drive, while it booted fine from the Ubuntu Server install disk (sorry I'm not asking this in some other channel)
[18:14] <stweston> vidd: I've tried #ubuntu-powerpc, but nobody's responded.
[18:15] <skep> Odd-rationale: oh..just checked orage again and umm..seems like i must have used orage ages ago..seems ok for my needs.. :)
[18:16] <stweston> vidd: shall I boot it up into the disk and let you know what I'm doing/what happens?
[18:17] <vidd> stweston, is this intrepid or hardy?
[18:17] <stweston> vidd: intrepid
[18:17] <vidd> its a know issue last i heard
[18:17] <stweston> vidd: oh? what's the issue, then?
[18:18] <stweston> vidd: I mean, what's wrong with it?
[18:18] <vidd> i recommend that you install fom the hardy server install, upgrade to intrepid, and then add the desktop
[18:18] <stweston> vidd: all right. Will try.
[18:18] <vidd> the issue is "No cd drives or external hard drives are recognized even though they are found during install"
[18:18] <stweston> aah
[18:19] <vidd> last i heard they were fixing it...but i never got word that it was resolved
[18:19] <Odd-rationale> skep: just wait until xfce 4.6 :P
[18:19] <stweston> vidd: well, the problem is that it's trying to install, but nothing's being mounted... or is that what you said?
[18:20] <vidd> its basicly what i said =]
[18:20] <stweston> vidd: ok
[18:20] <vidd> hardy works....
[18:20] <stweston> vidd: oh!
[18:20] <stweston> vidd: well, then... let me try that.
[18:20] <vidd> and the issue is the installer disk...not the final product
[18:21] <stweston> vidd: aah.
[18:21] <vidd> so upgrading from hardy to intrepid wont break your system
[18:21] <stweston> vidd: gotcha.
[18:21] <skep> Odd-rationale: what happens then?
[18:22] <Odd-rationale> skep: more cool features for orage
[18:22] <skep> Odd-rationale: is there a website where i can read more about it?
[18:22] <stweston> vidd: or maybe I could just stick with Hardy? I dunno. it's LTS, so it should be fine longer.
[18:23] <stweston> vidd: amirite?
[18:24] <Odd-rationale> skep: this lists some: http://www.linux.com/feature/151211
[18:24] <vidd> stweston, one thing you have to remember is that ppc-arch is not an official product....so LTS is not extended to it....
[18:24] <stweston> vidd: I see...
[18:24] <stweston> vidd: well, that ruins my understanding, then.
[18:24] <vidd> however, the community will do its best to keep it as up-to-date as possible
[18:24] <stweston> vidd: gotcha. thanks for the tip
[18:24] <vidd> look at it this way....
[18:25] <vidd> the difference between ppc-arch, i386 arch and amd64-arch is the kernel....
[18:25] <vidd> almost everything else is software built on top of that....
[18:26] <stweston> vidd: aah.
[18:26] <vidd> so xfce will be supported....
[18:26] <stweston> vidd: okay.
[18:26] <Odd-rationale> but don't they use different binaries?
[18:26] <vidd> but there is no guarentee that the kernel or your ach-specific drivers will be supported....
[18:26] <Odd-rationale> is the ppc repo smaller?
[18:27] <vidd> but if they work, how much support do you really need =]
[18:27] <stweston> vidd: I'm not sure, actually.
[18:27] <vidd> Odd-rationale, 95%...no...same binaries
[18:27] <Odd-rationale> oh ok...
[18:27] <Odd-rationale> wait. 95% smaller?
[18:28] <vidd> no....
[18:28] <vidd> 95% of the binaries are the same
[18:28] <Odd-rationale> ok. just making sure...
[18:28] <stweston> well, I'm'a go. I
[18:28] <stweston> I'll wait for the DL to finish.
[18:28] <stweston> thanks a bunch, vidd!
[18:28] <vidd> np
[18:29] <vidd> Odd-rationale, the only binaries that are different are the kernel-space binaries
[18:29] <vidd> everything in userspace is the same
[18:30] <Odd-rationale> ic
[18:30] <Odd-rationale> i guess that makes sense...
[18:31]  * vidd needs to go polute his lungs.....
[18:31] <vidd> be back in 10 (or so)
[19:41] <zerothis> I remember long ago in my redhat days, I could put applications into the gnome-panel. How is that done now and does it work with the xfce4-panel?
[19:43] <TheSheep> zerothis: "put applications"?
[19:43] <TheSheep> zerothis: you mean launcher icons?
[19:45] <spadewarrior> Does anyone know how to change the default xfce file manager to pcmanfm from thunar?
[19:46] <TheSheep> spadewarrior: what do you mean change? just use pcman
[19:47] <zerothis> sorry, i mean the application actually loads into the panel. it looks like a little screen in the panel with the application actually running in it
[19:47] <spadewarrior> TheSheep, i mean so that the 'Places' and desktop shortcuts load up pcmanfm instead of thunar.
[19:47] <zerothis> "swallowed app" i think it was called
[19:48] <TheSheep> spadewarrior: I think that you would have to modify the places plugin and the xfdesktop program
[19:48] <TheSheep> spadewarrior: or somehow make pcman register as a file manager in dbus, I guess
[19:48] <spadewarrior> ah, ok I think that's way out of my abilities.
[19:48] <TheSheep> spadewarrior: not sure here
[19:49] <TheSheep> spadewarrior: yup, it would have to be in dbus as /org/xfce/FileManager
[19:51] <spadewarrior> TheSheep, thanks I'll have a look into that.
[19:52] <TheSheep> spadewarrior: dbus-monitor lets you see what messages are sent when you use the places plugin
[19:52] <spadewarrior> TheSheep, wow that's cool, I never knew about that.
[19:53] <TheSheep> dbus is one extremely cool invention
[20:15] <stweston> just so anyone here knows (and if I happen to have problems or questions in the future), I'm finally installing Ubuntu Server on that iMac G3.
[20:16] <stweston> oh! for future reference, how do I upgrade to Intrepid under Server?
[20:21] <vidd> stweston, go into /etc/apt/sources.list and replace every instance of "hardy" with "intrepid"...save changes....sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:21] <vidd> same as any other upgrade
[20:21] <vidd> =]
[20:21] <stweston> vidd: I never did that before, so I wouldn't've known that.
[20:21] <zerothis> stweston: sudo do-release-upgrade
[20:21] <stweston> vidd: thanks!
[20:21] <stweston> zerothis: oh... is that the same as vidd's suggestion or what?
[20:22] <vidd> there is an easier way....
[20:22] <stweston> there is?
[20:22] <zerothis> well, myself i prefer not to go poking arround in the sources.list
[20:22] <vidd> stweston, listen to zerothis
[20:22] <stweston> vidd: aah. thanks.
[20:22] <vidd> i just couldnt find the command in a timely manner
[20:22] <stweston> vidd: aah...
[20:23] <zerothis> stweston: more info <http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading#Network%20Upgrade%20for%20Ubuntu%20Servers%20%28Recommended%29>
[20:23] <stweston> well, I guess sudo do-release-upgrade works, then.
[20:23] <vidd> stweston, yes....that is the prefered way
[20:23] <stweston> vidd: okay.
[20:24] <vidd> changing the sources.list is the "down-and-dirty way of doing it
[20:24] <stweston> gotcha
[20:24] <stweston> thanks, vidd and zerothis!
[20:24] <vidd> the other way is less likely to break something from typo's
[20:24] <stweston> yeah.
[20:25] <vidd> out of curiousity....can you ssh -X into a server that does not have an x-server on it?
[20:25] <stweston> vidd: is that directed to me?
[20:25] <stweston> vidd: if it is, then no.
[20:26] <TheSheep> vidd: yes
[20:26] <vidd> stweston, no...to one of the other "more experienced" server users
[20:26] <stweston> vidd: oh... got'ca
[20:26] <zerothis> vidd: you can do anything you want, but that won't do anything
[20:26] <TheSheep> vidd: the graphics and input is handled by your running X server
[20:27] <vidd> so TheSheep you can log in, but not use GUI tools?
[20:27] <Ahmuck> is there a way to add more resolutions for the display?  currently i'm set at 800x640
[20:27] <Ahmuck> :(
[20:27] <TheSheep> vidd: it's kind of confusing, since the X server usually runs on the client, and the 'client' -- the application -- runs on the server
[20:27] <TheSheep> vidd: you can use gui tools just fine
[20:29] <vidd> i doubt ill have the oppertunity to set something like that up...but i was interested
[20:30] <TheSheep> vidd: the bad thing is that you cannot 'detach' the running application from your X server and log out leaving it running
[20:30] <vidd> that isnt anything i'd expect to do....
[20:30] <TheSheep> vidd: at least not with current xorg, the protocol anticipates that
[20:31] <vidd> i was thinking something along the lines of using a graphic text editor like mousepad to edit config files on a headless server
[20:31] <TheSheep> vidd: sure, it just works
[20:32] <vidd> and the app (like mousepad) would be installed on the server....right?
[20:32] <TheSheep> vidd: yes
[20:33] <TheSheep> vidd: it will require some X libraries, but not whole x server
[20:33] <vidd> nice...thats the kind of thing im looking for
[20:35] <vidd> and the machine i remote in from needs to have a unix-compatable window manager....like xming on windows?
[20:38] <TheSheep> vidd: it needs x server running
[20:38] <stweston> how do I edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades?
[20:38] <TheSheep> vidd: has nothing to do with unix
[20:39] <vidd> stweston, you shouldnt need to edit it
[20:39] <TheSheep> stweston: like any other text file
[20:39] <stweston> TheSheep: and... how?
[20:39] <TheSheep> stweston: but there is a gui for changing that option
[20:39] <stweston> vidd, okay.
[20:39] <TheSheep> stweston: in the update manager
[20:39] <vidd> but if you NEED to edit it....
[20:39] <stweston> TheSheep: I'm in Server.
[20:39] <stweston> TheSheep: sorry to confuse you.
[20:40] <vidd> type sudo nano path/to/file/name
[20:40] <TheSheep> stweston: well, then just edit it as root with the text editor of your choice
[20:40] <stweston> TheSheep: all right...
[20:40] <vidd> where /path/to/file/name is the path to the file name
[20:40] <stweston> vidd, thanks
[20:42] <stweston> it's upgrading!
[20:42] <stweston> thanks, guys
[20:42] <vidd> stweston, vi is a more powerful CLI text editor....but i dont personally have the expertice to assist ya with it
[20:42] <vidd> stweston, no problem....happy to help
[20:43] <stweston> thanks again!
[20:43] <TheSheep> vidd: vi + new user trying to exit = random character generator ;)
[20:43] <stweston> and then the next step to finish this is to do "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop", right?
[20:44] <vidd> TheSheep, hehe
[20:44] <stweston> sorry, did I miss something?
[20:45] <vidd> stweston, if that is the desktop manager you wish to use....then yes...that is the next step
[20:45] <TheSheep> stweston: lets just say that vi is very unintuitive )
[20:45] <stweston> vidd: well, it's kinda my only optilno.
[20:45] <stweston> option*
[20:45] <stweston> TheSheep: LOL
[20:46] <stweston> why might it be called vi?
[20:46] <vidd> TheSheep, unintuitive? it was specifically designed to weed out comp-sci students in the mid-to-late 80's/early 90's
[20:46] <vidd> =]
[20:46] <TheSheep> hmmm... wikipedia says: The name vi is derived from the shortest unambiguous abbreviation for the command visual in ex; the command in question switches the line editor ex to visual mode. The name vi is pronounced /ˈviːˈaɪ/,[1] or /vaɪ/.[2]
[20:47] <stweston> sweet! I pronounced it right!
[20:48] <vidd> stweston, how can you tell?
[20:48] <TheSheep> vidd: it says so in that text, at the end
[20:48] <stweston> vidd: from the "the name vi is pronounced..." part.
[20:48] <vidd> i pronounce it like "rymes with rye"
[20:48] <stweston> ypup
[20:48] <stweston> so do I.
[20:50] <vidd> TheSheep, i cant understand what on earth that part means....=\
[20:50] <TheSheep> vidd: oh, you never learned a foreign language?
[20:50] <vidd> not really
[20:51] <TheSheep> vidd: that phonetic notation is used in all dictionaries
[20:51] <bytor4232> Dangit.
[20:51] <stweston> ?
[20:52] <bytor4232> netboot.tar.gz is broken after last nights kernel update.
[20:52] <bytor4232> Figures.
[20:52] <Odd-rationale> "vee eye"
[20:52] <bytor4232> Thats means the mini.iso is broken as well.
[20:52] <stweston> bytor4232: I suppose that kinda stinks, then...
[20:52] <vidd> TheSheep, yeah...i i never quite got to understanding the phonetic notation
[20:53] <TheSheep> vidd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English
[20:53] <bytor4232> Hasn't even been out for a week and they manage to break netboot.  Nice.
[20:53] <vidd> bytor4232, i think it was planned....
[20:54] <bytor4232> Probably.  But I don't install from CDs, I install from my network.  Sucks to be me.
[20:54] <vidd> break it....see if anyone notices....if no-one does, discontinue it =]
[20:54] <bytor4232> I have to install hardy I guess and dist-upgrade.
[20:55] <vidd> bytor4232, you COULD just write your OWN install disk
[20:55] <vidd> i saw somewhere a how-to for setting up a net-boot installer
[20:56] <vidd> where a system boots off the NIC
[20:57] <vidd> but that was a while ago...before i had any computers that could boot of the NIC card =]
[21:03] <scopecreep> how do i delete my session, i tell it not to restore but it does anyway?
[21:04] <jbbarnes> How do you view the startup messages instead of the XFCE logo with the progress bar? Thanks.
[21:05] <jbbarnes> Such as when you hit the Esc key in SuSE to remove the graphic and see the startup in detail.
[21:07] <Coop> Hello?
[21:08] <stweston> hello
[21:08] <vidd> scopecreep, in terminal rm ~./config/xfce4-session/*
[21:09] <TheSheep> vidd: that's wrong
[21:09] <TheSheep> vidd: it's ~/.cache/sessions
[21:10] <scopecreep> hehe, i did both, brb
[21:12] <favro> jbbarnes: at the grub prompt press e - then move down to the kernel line and press e - then remove from the end of the line "quiet splash" - press enter then b to boot
[21:13] <karen|> anyone around to help?
[21:13] <stweston> yes...
[21:13] <jbbarnes> favro: Thank you. I will try that now. I'm trying to streamline my boot process.
[21:13] <karen|> fantastic...
[21:13] <favro> jbbarnes: or edit the file /boot/grub/menu.lst and remove "quiet splash" from the kernel line
[21:14] <karen|> i'm having an issue installing xubuntu, and mind you, this is my first attempt at linux
[21:14] <stweston> well, I might even be able to help, despite that I'm a linux newbie as well.
[21:15] <karen|> okies :)
[21:15] <stweston> what do you need help with?
[21:15] <karen|> i get halfway through just fine, but when it comes to partitioning the drive i get an error saying that it cant (i want to dual boot XP and xubuntu)
[21:15] <stweston> hm...
[21:15] <karen|> i tried xubuntu's allocation tool that it has in the install, the sliding thing
[21:16] <stweston> and then?
[21:16] <jbbarnes> favro: Works great. Everything flies by pretty fast, though. Does all that info get written to a log file I can inspect once booted?
[21:16] <karen|> but it doesnt want to allocate the free space on the exisiting partition
[21:16] <karen|> could it be because that empty space is on the windows partition?
[21:16] <stweston> interesting... either this is a bug, or I don't understand... most likely the latter.
[21:16] <karen|> :(
[21:16] <stweston> actually, now that you mention it, I believe so!
[21:16] <stweston> it might be that the partition is formatted wrong...
[21:17] <vidd> karen|, if you want to dual-boot....
[21:17] <favro> jbbarnes: not unless you enable boot logging - I leave the quiet part in so it is more readable - errors will show
[21:17] <karen|> i tried to just partition the space with Windows's disk management, but it says NO to me
[21:17] <vidd> launch xp and run the installer from xp
[21:17] <stweston> but there's always the chance that an expert (or, more likely, a newbie) is wrong.
[21:17] <karen|> i dont have an XP disc (thanks dell.)
[21:18] <vidd> karen|, does XP load?
[21:18] <karen|> yep
[21:18] <stweston> no... that's not what Vidd mans.
[21:18] <stweston> means*
[21:18] <karen|> Ohhh
[21:18] <vidd> ok...load xp....insert xubuntu live cd...run the installer application
[21:18] <vidd> reboot
[21:18] <stweston> he means, just insert the *buntu disk, and you should be able to install it side-by-side with XP
[21:18] <stweston> if it's 8.04 or later.
[21:19] <vidd> it has "damn it windows, resistance is futile" powers =]
[21:19] <karen|> lol
[21:19] <stweston> ROFL
[21:20] <karen|> I'll give it a shot, thanks :)
[21:20] <vidd> and it will install on windows just like any other app will
[21:20] <karen|> on windows?
[21:20] <stweston> yes.
[21:20] <karen|> :0
[21:20] <stweston> it's called Wubi installer.
[21:20] <karen|> :0~?
[21:20] <stweston> XD
[21:21] <favro> !wubi
[21:21] <karen|> so would i be booting to windows, then using xubuntu?
[21:21] <stweston> nope.
[21:21] <karen|> (excuse the ignorance D:)
[21:21] <stweston> I think...
[21:21] <karen|> :0
[21:21] <stweston> it's just like emulating a dual-boot, methinks
[21:22] <nikolam> wubi is usefull for testing and getting to know with linux. Real thing is to install it on dual-boot for start..
[21:22] <stweston> am I right?
[21:22] <vidd> its for all those newbies that say "wubi easier if i didnt have to format anything"
[21:22] <TheSheep> it just installs xubuntu to a file on the windows partition, but you still have to reboot to start it
[21:22] <karen|> lol
[21:22] <karen|> i get it now
[21:22] <stweston> good!
[21:23] <favro> !dualboot | for those that like to read
[21:23] <vidd> im outy guys
[21:24] <stweston> I'll be back soon. see ya, Vidd
[21:26] <ghumman> hello
[21:26] <ghumman> I need help
[21:26] <ghumman> how to install ttf font?
[21:27] <ghumman> actullly xubuntu fail to display my native language font
[21:27] <favro> !fonts | ghumman
[21:28] <nikolam> /usr/share/fonts/truetype
[22:08] <houdini> hi.  I hope someone can help me here
[22:08] <houdini> I just upgraded my Xubuntu 8.04 system to 8.10
[22:09] <houdini> when it rebooted, I got a text console.  when I logged in, startx and apt-get (as examples) complain about shared libraries
[22:09] <houdini> (program): error while loading shared libraries: (some library): cannot open shared object file: No suck file or directory
[22:09] <houdini> apt-get complains about libstdc++.so.6, startx complains about libX11.so.6
[22:10] <nikolam> houdini, how zou did zour upgade? from alternate cd or fron internet?
[22:10] <houdini> doing an ls on /usr/lib gives me a lot of "ls: cannot access /usr/lib/(something): No such file or directory"
[22:10] <houdini> which I think is odd
[22:11] <houdini> nikolam: internet, using the graphical update manager
[22:11] <favro> you could try   sudo apt-get install -f   to see if it fixes it
[22:11] <houdini> apt-get complains about a shared library, and won't run
[22:11] <houdini> sorry, I didn't say that "complains" up there == "complains and dies"
[22:12] <favro> tried with the -f?
[22:12] <houdini> it gives me the same error
[22:12] <houdini> just tried it
[22:12] <favro> k
[22:12] <nikolam> you can use sudo dpkg -i command to install individual packages
[22:12] <houdini> using ldd on the apt-get binary shows me that libstdc++.so.6 isn't found
[22:13] <nikolam> does aptitude works?
[22:13] <houdini> ok.  suggestions of what I need to install to fix this?
[22:13] <houdini> aptitude wants libept.so.0, which is missing
[22:13] <houdini> (just checked it, hadn't before)
[22:13] <nikolam> does your internet works? I would suggest to download alternate cd of 8.10 to have it.
[22:13] <houdini> dpkg runs
[22:13] <houdini> nikolam: ok
[22:14] <favro> what does   sudo dpkg --configure -a   return?
[22:14] <houdini> favro: no output, returned 0
[22:14] <favro> k
[22:14] <houdini> hm.  I don't have lynx or links
[22:15] <favro> there should be w3m
[22:15] <houdini> w3m dies when it can't find libz.so.1
[22:15] <houdini> man, what happened here?
[22:16] <favro> at a guess I would say the servers were very busy and dropped packets when you were upgrading
[22:16] <houdini> but doesn't it download all of the packages before it installs them?
[22:16] <nikolam> zou have wget? houdini where are you from?
[22:16] <houdini> I would expect that if it couldn't, it would bomb out
[22:17] <houdini> nikolam: wget also wants libz.so.1
[22:17] <houdini> and, you mean physically? :)
[22:17] <houdini> New Mexico, USA
[22:17] <nikolam> we could install those packages manually to make apt-get work for a start
[22:17] <houdini> I could boot from a CD and download stuff
[22:18] <houdini> my Mac works just fine, so I could download a CD there
[22:19] <houdini> nikolam: suggestions?  I'm willing to try whatever
[22:19] <nikolam> I am thinking.. to install manually all missing .debs
[22:20] <nikolam> until apt-get works
[22:20] <houdini> hm
[22:20] <houdini> ok
[22:20] <houdini> so I can download (somehow) whatever package libstdc++.so is in, install that, and hope that apt-get works?
[22:20] <nikolam> OR we could go to /var/cache/apt/archives
[22:20] <houdini> oh, ok
[22:21] <nikolam> and install everything we have in cache
[22:21] <nikolam> houdini, yes, that too.
[22:22] <nikolam> houdini, you use i386 or 64-bit?
[22:22] <houdini> looks like i386
[22:22] <houdini> at least, that's what `uname -a` gives me
[22:23] <nikolam> try cd /var/cache/apt/archives
[22:23] <nikolam> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[22:24] <houdini> ok
[22:24] <houdini> it's going
[22:25] <nikolam> let`s hope that`s it
[22:27] <houdini> hm
[22:27] <houdini> update-mime-database is complaining about missing libz
[22:27] <houdini> it'll probably get installed later, right?
[22:29] <nikolam> lets install all we can
[22:34] <houdini> it's going
[23:30] <houdini> hmm
[23:30] <houdini> I think I have FS issues
[23:31] <houdini> yep.  crap
[23:31] <nikolam> fsck ?
[23:32] <favro> !fsck
[23:34] <houdini> think I'll need a boot CD now
[23:35] <nikolam> houdini, backup ypur data from that disk
[23:36]  * houdini nods
[23:39] <houdini> does the ubuntu/xubuntu disk not have the SMART utils on it?
[23:39] <houdini> really?
[23:41] <nikolam> sthere is smartmontools package
[23:41] <houdini> can I use that from the CD?
[23:41] <nikolam> you could try it if you boot from live cd
[23:42] <houdini> well, I'm booted from the cd
[23:42] <houdini> and smart<tab> gives me smartdimmer
[23:42] <houdini> this is the 8.04 disk
[23:42] <nikolam> i think so. i think it can be installed while live cd is running, while not writing to disk
[23:43] <nikolam> same thing
[23:44] <houdini> ok, that worked
[23:44] <houdini> running the short test on the disk
[23:50] <kalaa79> i need some help please with xubuntu and ps3...  I cannot go back to my ps3 OS :(
[23:51] <kalaa79> dont really have any experience with linux before today
[23:52] <kalaa79> the boot-game-os command doesn work for me
[23:52] <kalaa79> not sure if i had a bad install, its possible