[00:06] <Ahmuck> it's there now.  however i've done a "sudo aptitude update" "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" and then a "sudo ltsp-build-client" since the install
[00:08] <Ahmuck> i have noticed that when i do a ltsp-build-client it downloads a large number of new packages
[00:49] <Ahmuck> hrm, when ltsp client fails, it also fails to configure the second nic for serving dhcp ltsp clients
[00:49] <Ahmuck> i'm falling back to ubuntu
[00:49] <Ahmuck> i was under the impression that ltsp-server, client, etc. configured that
[01:25] <sbalneav> Evening all
[01:27] <Ahmuck> hi sbalneav
[01:27] <Rideh> heya
[01:28] <stgraber> hi Rideh
[01:29] <Rideh> hey stgraber !
[01:29] <Rideh> i'll be back in a few minutes
[02:40] <davidgroos> Hi--anyone have any opinions about good edubuntu classroom management software?
[02:40] <stgraber> iTalc ?
[02:40] <davidgroos> That's cool, I was looking at that.
[02:41] <davidgroos> I'd also heard of something like samoyan
[02:41] <davidgroos> or something
[02:44] <davidgroos> unfortunately I can't remember the name of the software exactly and haven't had luck googling 'samoyan' samboyan etc.
[02:44] <davidgroos> Not sounding familiar to anyone?
[02:46] <stgraber> not really no, the only thing that I can think of based on that name is sabayon but it's not really a classroom management software so I doubt it's what you are looking for
[02:48] <davidgroos> hmmm maybe I misunderstood what was being described--the name is too similar to be a coincidence, I think.  Thanks stgraber for throwing it out there!
[02:48] <davidgroos> I'm going to check it out!
[02:50] <davidgroos> Another question--I'm just starting a project where I'll be using edubuntu thin clients and need an easy way to import users from some csv or other formate file.
[02:50] <davidgroos> I was totally unable to find software to load users into the ubuntu server.  Any ideas here?
[02:51] <stgraber> a shell script parsing that file and doing the adduser is certainly the easiest, though if you have a lot of user and may need to split them across two servers soon, having a LDAP server may be best (then use some LDAP tools to add the users)
[02:52] <davidgroos> Cool info!  I'm really quite a noob at this so what is obvious to you is an insight to me!
[02:53] <davidgroos> I've got a friend who could write a script like this, I'd guess.  Anything in particular I should tell him?
[02:54] <stgraber> yeah, add the user to the same groups as a normal user (from a desktop installation) except adm and admin
[02:54] <stgraber> so they can have sound and everything working correctly but can't run sudo
[02:55] <stgraber> oh, and for LTSP, you'll need to add them to the "fuse" group too to have usbkey support
[02:57] <davidgroos> Thanks so much stgraber.  I've put some stuff on line about my project but wonder if I put the info in the right place--should I be using an edubuntu wiki instead of the Ubuntu wiki?
[02:58] <davidgroos> Here it is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MinnesotaTeam/Education
[02:59] <stgraber> davidgroos: oh, I'll send that URL to some guys at the office, they might be interested and may give you a hand.
[02:59] <stgraber> I'm working for a company that does thin clients and desktop deployement mainly in school districts
[03:00] <davidgroos> That would be awesome!  which state?
[03:01] <stgraber> We're in Canada (Quebec) and have some school districts here in Canada and one in Indiana
[03:01] <stgraber> and another in the US IIRC
[03:01] <davidgroos> I would love to share ideas--though I enjoy and am ok w/ technology my specialty is teaching.
[03:02] <davidgroos> my e-mail is djgroos@gmail.com
[03:03] <stgraber> ok, mine is stgraber@revolutionlinux.com (or stgraber@ubuntu.com for the Ubuntu community side :)) and my company is http://www.revolutionlinux.com/?lang=en
[03:04] <Rideh> stgraber: this channel is much more free with info than your typical irc channel :D
[03:05] <davidgroos> I know very little about irc protocol and appreciate clear instruction on such!
[03:13] <davidgroos> Thanks so much to all you who are helping get these great open source solutions into kids hands.
[03:13] <davidgroos> I expect to be on this channel quite a bit :-)
[03:16] <Rideh> davidgroos: irc has been around a very long time
[03:17] <Rideh> many "script kiddies" and such roam and use this as a play ground to flex their skills
[03:17] <Rideh> things are becomming more civil but still be cognosent that like anywhere there are always ppl with ill intentions lurking
[03:18] <Ahmuck> any suggestions for a "burn in" linux iso?
[03:21] <davidgroos> Thanks Rideh.  I searched script kiddies and so they could use e-mail addresses?  Or the worry would be some lurker noting the address then
[03:22] <Rideh> nah email address is just a email address but you might get unnecessary hassle
[03:22] <davidgroos> e-mailing me off line purporting to help but getting info to do otherwise?  Or am I missing something?
[03:22] <Rideh> anything
[03:22] <davidgroos> Right.  Thanks.
[03:24] <stgraber> my e-mail addresses are already on all existing spammer list (my server gets around 40k spams a day) so one more place isn't really a problem :)
[03:25] <Rideh> stgraber: wasnt really directed at you, i'm fairly confident your aware of irc's roots
[03:26] <Rideh> davidgroos: just mentioned hes new to irc
[03:26] <Rideh> such a good resource hate to see ppl turned away from it because of bs
[03:27] <stgraber> right
[03:30] <stgraber> davidgroos: http://blog.revolutionlinux.com/en/post/2008/10/28/T-L-2008-%3A-Thin-Client-Lab-Setup
[03:32] <stgraber> good example of what you can do with LTSP and localapps + a lot of people from various school districts were T+L and used (maybe without knowing) thin clients while attending conferences in that room
[03:32] <davidgroos> Thanks, I'll check it out!
[03:50] <sbalneav> ls
[03:50] <sbalneav> whoops
[04:00] <Ahmuck> if i use the server for my main pc will i still be able to serve 8 clients from it?
[04:01] <Ahmuck> wrong question.  can i use a quad-core, 4g ram server for my use and still serve 8 clients comfortablly?
[04:02] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: Should be able to with no problem.
[04:03]  * Ahmuck grumbles the server boards don't come with sound
[04:06] <Ahmuck> vanilla ubuntu ltsp server install on a board with two nics won't connect to the inet unless one goes in and unremarks the dhcp line in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:07] <sbalneav> Well, typically, an LTSP server doesn't have the "internet" side as a DHCP interface.
[04:07] <sbalneav> Servers should have fixed IP interfaces.
[04:08] <Ahmuck> ah.  yes
[04:08] <Ahmuck> it fixes eth1 as the static, so is it serving eth0 ?
[04:09] <sbalneav> Well, eth1's probably managed by network manager, which you should set as a static interface as well.
[04:09] <sbalneav> Usually, in a server environment.
[04:15] <sbalneav> Well, late here, heading to bed.
[04:15] <sbalneav> Night all