[00:00] <draik> Ubotu needs to be updated for Dolphin. There is no system_directory under inode
[00:00] <draik> ardchoille: I'll get the list for you in just a moment
[00:00] <ardchoille> draik: ah, a list, never mind. I was thinking it was just kubuntu-desktop
[00:03] <MNGoldenEagle> Hey.  I just recently installed some update packages on my computer and now whenever I go to the desktop I get a black screen.  The mouse appears and is responsive, and if I hit the Menu key I can see the transition effects flicker.  But everything else is just black.  Any ideas, anyone?
[00:03] <draik> ardchoille: In case you're still curious, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/65953
[00:04] <MNGoldenEagle> Anyone?
[00:05] <ardchoille> draik: Hmm.. it seems that dolphin is more tightly integrated into kde4 than d3lphin was in kde3
[00:05] <gsa10132> You guys using Kopete for messaging (icq, msn and the like) or is there another/better alternative out there?
[00:05] <Dragnslcr> MNGoldenEagle- seems like a lot of people are having that problem. I think it's a video driver issue
[00:06] <Dragnslcr> gsa10132- I like Kopete
[00:06] <gsa10132> I do too, so far
[00:06] <Dragnslcr> The KDE4 version is a huge improvement over the KDE3 version
[00:06] <draik> gsa10132: I use kopete. The only alternative I know is pidgin
[00:06] <Ralesk> gsa10132: I'm using kmess2 for MSN, but kopete for the rest
[00:07] <MNGoldenEagle> Dragnslcr: I see... in that case, how do I remedy the situation?  Is there a way to rollback the drivers via the terminal?
[00:07] <gsa10132> nifty with the tabs piling in the chat window, rather than having a gazillion different windows in the lower bar
[00:07] <Ralesk> kmess2 is not in the repositories yet, and has yet to be released (but the betas are quite reliable)
[00:07] <Ralesk> gsa10132: there was tabbed chat mode in kopete/kde3 too :)
[00:07] <gsa10132> yeah, I know, Im on kde3 :)
[00:07] <gsa10132> using 8.04
[00:08] <gsa10132> first time Linux on desktop.. went with the stable sure thing
[00:08] <Ralesk> other than hogging the CPU a lot and a few fixes to the config dialogs, I don't think kopete/kde4 is that much an improvement :P
[00:08] <draik> I have 8.10 on my HP laptop and now I'm waiting for the Dell laptop to finish the download.
[00:08] <Dragnslcr> gsa10132- if you like Kopete in KDE3, you'll like it a lot more in KDE4
[00:08] <mado> hi guys ...
[00:08] <mado> and gals ...
[00:09] <Dragnslcr> gsa10132- the KDE4 has a sane status manager
[00:09] <gsa10132> Dragnslcr: cool :)
[00:09] <mado> can anybody tell me what these two error-messages mean? ...
[00:09] <mado> mario@toxmqds:~/c$ gcc -o zinsi.c zinsi
[00:09] <mado> gcc: zinsi: No such file or directory
[00:09] <mado> gcc: keine Eingabedateien
[00:09] <gsa10132> I havent messed around a lot with it yet.. Id like to change the transparency levels tho
[00:09] <mado> keine Eingabedateien = no input files
[00:10] <MNGoldenEagle> Dragnslcr: Any idea how to fix the driver issue, or at least make it use workable drivers?  I'm new to Linux and am not very familiar with these things.
[00:10] <mado> Darthfrog: are you around somewhere?
[00:10] <favro> mado: sounds like you are in the wrong dir
[00:11] <mado> favro: :) ... no i
[00:11] <mado> i'm not
[00:11] <favro> mado: then the file doesn't exist
[00:11] <mado> the file "zinsi.c" is in the directory "/home/mario/c"
[00:11] <Dragnslcr> MNGoldenEagle- I haven't upgraded to 8.10 yet, so I don't really know how to fix it. I've just seen a couple other people describe the same problem
[00:11] <Mr-S> mado > try the absolute pacth from root to point to the file
[00:11] <mado> the file exists :)
[00:11] <mado> Mr-S: pardon?
[00:11] <favro> mado try ./zinsi.c
[00:12] <Mr-S> gcc -o /home/mado/c/zinis.o
[00:12] <MNGoldenEagle> Ah... I see.  Well, I'll see if I can use KDE in recovery mode and switch the driver.
[00:12] <MNGoldenEagle> Thanks anyway.
[00:12] <Mr-S> or go with favro
[00:12] <Dragnslcr> MNGoldenEagle- might be worth checking the forums. I'm sure there's at least a couple threads about the issue
[00:13] <mado> doesn't work Mr-S ... and favro ... when i write you command i get many new lines ... i guess error-messages
[00:14] <mado> but all these things i see there can't really be ...
[00:14] <Mr-S> most likely you done a bad thing with your file :)
[00:14] <mado> it shows me only things in my commentary
[00:14] <mado> i haven
[00:14] <mado> 't done anything
[00:14] <mado> just wrote some lines and saved :)
[00:15] <mado> here -> http://phpfi.com/372573
[00:16] <Mr-S> check the man pages to check if you have overlooked something and of course your file
[00:16] <goofey> anyone here have a clean kubuntu 8.10 install and can confirm that installing firefox requires some gnome (not just gtk) files?
[00:17] <favro> goofey: a few folk have mentioned that
[00:17] <stdin> i'll see what a chroot says about it
[00:17] <goofey> favro: ok, just wanting to make sure i'm not crazy
[00:17] <favro> hehe
[00:19] <mado> *i can't figure it out*
[00:20] <stdin> mado: gcc -o zinsi zinsi.c
[00:20] <draik> I have Konqueror crashing every time I'm trying to apply the changes. It will not save/apply Konqueror over Dolphin
[00:21] <draik> Anyone else come across the same/similar issue?
[00:22] <mado> thank you stdin :) ... now i have to find out why it doesn't like "getch():" :)
[00:23] <ardchoille> getch();
[00:23] <mado> zinsi.c:53: Fehler: »getch« wurde in diesem Gültigkeitsbereich nicht definiert
[00:23] <mado> don't really know what that means
[00:24] <mado> sorry ardchoille ... it was a ';' ... typo ... but there still is this error
[00:24] <ardchoille> ok
[00:24] <stdin> mado: getchar()
[00:24] <mado> here -> http://phpfi.com/372577
[00:24] <stdin> getch() is non-standard iirc
[00:25] <mado> stdin: thank you :)
[00:26] <mado> now the whole thing seems to work :)
[00:26] <stdin> probably some lazy MS dev decided "ar" was 2 letters too many
[00:26] <ardchoille> hehe
[00:26] <mado> stdin: ... maybe ... i wrote "getch" because my professor always wrote this :)
[00:26] <Dragnslcr> I've worked with programmers like that
[00:27] <mado> i am wondering ...
[00:27] <mado> what will happen if i write "getchar" on a sheet of paper when there is a test?
[00:27] <Dragnslcr> Variable names like 'hdb' everywhere
[00:27] <xp-killer> in kubuntu isnt there something i can modify my pictures like cut out the part i need
[00:27] <xp-killer> in kubuntu isnt there something i can modify my pictures like cut out the part i need?
[00:27] <Dragnslcr> mado- depends on the class and/or teacher
[00:28] <stdin> tell your professor that MS is not a standard
[00:28] <Dragnslcr> xp-killer- I think Digikam can do basic cropping
[00:28] <mado> Dragnslcr: hmm *agreeing* ...
[00:28] <mado> one thing that might amuse you ...
[00:28] <mado> my professor was quite surprised to see that i use openoffice.org :)
[00:28] <xp-killer> Dragnslcr: wat is croping?
[00:28] <ardchoille> mado: somehow that doesn't surprise me
[00:28] <Dragnslcr> mado- hehe
[00:28] <stdin> mado: getchar() is a part of the ISO/ANSI C89 standard, if he complains. fire him
[00:29] <xp-killer> stdin: hi
[00:29] <mado> :=)
[00:29] <mado> can you suggest any good tutorials for c and c++ ?
[00:29] <mado> i'm just a beginner in programming ...
[00:29] <Dragnslcr> xp-killer- removing the outside of a picture, leaving only the part you want to keep
[00:30] <mado> so i don't know what book or website or tutorial is good :)
[00:30] <stdin> xp-killer: krita should be able to crop
[00:31] <mado> gcc OR g++ -o program source ... i will remember that
[00:31] <stdin> don't think of C as C++ that close. there are different coding styles
[00:31] <mado> :) stdin
[00:31] <mado> ok
[00:31] <stdin> C likes pointers and casting, C++ likes references and implicit casts
[00:32] <mado> i guess i have to learn a lot :)
[00:32] <gsa10132> btw, the mrs asked me to put a CD onto her cellphone.. what tool should I use in Kubuntu for that? I assume she wants it in mp3
[00:33] <mado> erm ... i'll be back ...
[00:33] <Dragnslcr> gsa10132- depends on the phone
[00:33] <gsa10132> Sony Ericsson umm.. let me check.. w800 or something
[00:34] <Dragnslcr> gsa10132- if it's a good one, it'll have a USB port that you can just connect to your PC and it'll mount as a regular external disk
[00:34] <Dragnslcr> Otherwise it might be tricky
[00:34] <ardchoille> Can k3b do ripping music from cd and converting to mp3?
[00:34] <bouma> can i install kpdf for ubuntu ??
[00:35] <ardchoille> bouma: gnome apps work fine in kde and vice-versa
[00:35] <gsa10132> its a K530i Sony Ericsson.. well, sure, it's got USB.. I was looking at possible software to rip the CD -> Mp3 really
[00:35] <bouma> ardchoille: right. i tried apt-cache search kpdf
[00:35] <Dragnslcr> Ah
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> bouma: in intrepid it's called okular
[00:35] <bouma> JontheEchidna: noiche :P
[00:36] <ardchoille> bouma: actually, I think kpdf was removed starting in intrepid, open a terminal and do; apt-cache search pdf
[00:36] <Ahri> hi, i've installed kubuntu on my mum/sister's laptop to convert them away from windows, but i can't get amarok to play stuff off my sister's ipod nano (1st gen i think), how can i fix this?
[00:36] <Ahri> the amarok error is "Some media could not be loaded (not playable)." -- it's just random stuff off her ipod i want her to be able to manage...
[00:36] <Dragnslcr> gsa10132- k3b appears to have a "Rip Audio CD" option
[00:37] <gsa10132> cool, I'll just go with that.. its a CD-book, two records.. doesnt even have to be superior quality I guess, since its speech mostly
[00:37] <stdin> make sure kdemultimedia-kio-plugins is installed and go to audiocd:/ in konqueror or dolphin
[00:37] <stdin> easiest CD ripping tool in the universe, ever
[00:38] <gsa10132> cool, will try that
[00:38] <bouma> does kile work with okular
[00:38] <stdin> you just drag & drop whatever format you want to where you want and let it work
[00:38] <bouma> i want it to reload a file automatically when it changes on disk. particularly pdf
[00:38] <bouma> without moving the view of the display
[00:40] <deftone> anyone know where I can get a nice looking terminal icon for my dock manager??
[00:40] <ardchoille> deftone: lots of stuff in /usr/share/icons
[00:41] <draik> How many passes does Konqueror have to do with "Updating System Configuration" before it is done being set as default over Dolphin?
[00:42] <Ralesk> okay, kubuntu people.  anyone ever installed a custom keyboard layout in KDE4?
[00:43] <Ralesk> because it worked in kde3, but kde4 doesn't want to take my changes into account
[00:45] <sdlnxgk> i'm affected by the nvidia drivers and don't wish to reinstall how can I get back to vesa drivers like when it first started up
[00:48] <xp-killer> whats new in 8.10 kubuntu?
[00:48] <xp-killer> is it stable?
[00:48] <sdlnxgk> seems pretty stable if you have the right video card
[00:48] <draik> xp-killer: It is stable. I'm running it on one laptop right now, another is being installed
[00:49] <ardchoille> xp-killer:  http://www.kubuntu.org/news
[00:49] <sdlnxgk> nvidia slipped us a micky
[00:49] <sdlnxgk> some cards work some don't
[00:49] <sdlnxgk> I gave up and just left the vesa drivers installed this time
[00:49] <sdlnxgk> maybe nvidia will get the 3d acceleration working
[00:50] <Ralesk> xp-killer: if you can call KDE 4.1.2 stable, then it is :)
[00:50] <sdlnxgk> lol
[00:50] <sdlnxgk> there always needs to be work done
[00:51] <zzaza> hi all
[00:51] <draik> My only issue right now is getting Konqueror to apply the settings of being the default app over Dolphin
[00:51] <memeemeee> ok all. got a question about manual migration from Hardy to Intrepid: I'd like to install my system in a 15G partition and my home Dir in a 500G partition. is there any reason to make my swap bigger than 5G or my / bigger than 15? also, if I'm running Hardy on another internal drive, will it cause problems to have my /home/username be the same if I'm mounting it directly for Ibex?
[00:53] <memeemeee> one more question: will I be able to simply rsync -a the contents of my home directory from hardy into the new partition?
[00:53] <stdin> memeemeee: 5GB is probably overkill as it is, and mixing hardy and intrepid on $HOME is not a good idea. as KDE 4 in intrepid uses ~/.kde
[00:54] <memeemeee> so stdin to successfully migrate I have to manually copy the files I want from old home to new?
[00:55] <stdin> or just create one user for hardy and one for intrepid
[00:56] <stdin> I use a public dir on my / for general files I want to share between users. not config files though
[00:57] <memeemeee> ok so you think that having the same username as a mountpoint as the username that hardy will be looking for inside it's / will be problematic? I'm going to trash hardy anyway as it is not working with my eth0 hardware (linux w/out internet SUX!)
[00:58] <stdin> if you don't mind that much, just "cp -a ~/.kde ~/.kde.old", then you have a backup if anything goes wrong
[01:03] <memeemeee> do you know if the boot loader will know where to look to find my $home for 8.04 (in otherwords same fs /home/username) even if I create a partition with the same name on another disc? sounds like it might confuse things
[01:04] <stdin> the bootloader only needs to know where the root is
[01:05] <stdin> /etc/fstab deals with the other mounts
[01:07] <tiklado> do you know where can i play my mp3?
[01:08] <favro> !mp3
[01:08] <draik> I can't get Konqueror to do it's defaults thing. It goes as far as trying to apply and goes through numerous "Updating System Configuration" progress bars to 100% and crashes once I switch desktops. Is there another work-around to make Konqueror the default over Dolphin?
[01:08] <memeemeee> ok. so if i select sda1 to load Hardy it will look in the fstab for the location of $HOME and not be confused by the partition that sdb1 is using for Ibex? sorry if i'm being dense. i'm fairly new to linux. learning a lot but certainly no power user
[01:14] <draik> How do I run an app as root?
[01:14] <draik> "kdesu konqueror" doesn't do anything
[01:14] <qbg> kdesudo?
[01:15] <draik> Trying it now
[01:15] <draik> That did it
[01:15] <draik> Thank you qbg
[01:15] <memeemeee> ok. so stdin, if i select sda1 to load Hardy it will look in the fstab for the location of $HOME and not be confused by the partition that sdb1 is using for Ibex? sorry if i'm being dense. i'm fairly new to linux. learning a lot but certainly no power user
[01:16] <memeemeee> are there any known issues with Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller? I can't get it to connect to my linksys WGR54 anymore. I'm running Kubuntu 8.04 KDE3 and thinking about upgrading to 8.10 to see if it makes a dif. any help would be greatly appreciated. I have been working at this for days-- no weeks now to no avail
[01:16] <stdin> memeemeee: yeah, the /etc/fstab file tells the system what to mount where
[01:17] <draik> I was right! It needs to be done with root privileges. That should be added to !dolphin
[01:18] <draik> :( That did not fix my issue.
[01:28] <DarkSmoke> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[01:28] <DarkSmoke> why am i recieving this error?
[01:29] <MinusSeven> Because the C compiler couldn't create executables
[01:29] <ardchoille> !compile
[01:29] <DarkSmoke> i installed build-essentia
[01:29] <MinusSeven> I'm guessing, but maybe something to do with the linking
[01:29] <DarkSmoke> *essential
[01:29] <DarkSmoke> so i don't think i have to install anything else
[01:30] <ari_stress> hi hi :)
[01:48] <jerkface> hi. is kubuntu LTS supported for 5 years like ubuntu LTS? thanks.
[01:48] <Ralesk> jerkface: wasn't it 3 years in the first place?
[01:49] <Guest56919> hello all
[01:49] <Ralesk> anyway, Kubuntu Hardy isn't an LTS because kde3 is not really supported anymore, and kde4 is quite a moving target :P
[01:50] <Ralesk> so the LTS-ness only covers the non-kde part of ubuntu main
[01:50] <jerkface> security updates for 5 years http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/benefits/lifecycle
[01:50] <Ralesk> ah
[01:51] <Ralesk> well 5 then
[01:51] <Ralesk> you'll get sec updates regardless of whether you install ubuntu or kubuntu -- it's the same repository afterall
[01:52] <Ralesk> just don't expect sec updates for anything kde after like a year or so
[01:52] <jerkface> i think i will lose support for fedora 8 when 10 is released later this month, but i don't want to move to kde4. that's cool thanks.
[01:52] <npsbre> if i read that chart correctly, it's 5 just for the server version
[01:53] <Ralesk> jerkface: hmm, doesn't fedora 10 carry kde3 anymore either?
[01:53] <jerkface> since f9 it has been kde4
[01:59] <draik> Laptop just shutdown during the installation of the downloaded packages.
[01:59] <draik> How do I continue where I left off?
[02:01] <Ralesk> draik: just apt-get install I think
[02:01] <Ralesk> perhaps with -f
[02:02] <jerkface> oh, from wikipedia the last kubuntu lts was 6.06 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[02:02] <draik> Ralesk: It came back with "dpkg --configure -a"
[02:02] <tokah> man kubuntu is giving me issues
[02:02] <draik> Ran that with sudo and it seems to be doing the job
[02:02] <Ralesk> then do that :)
[02:02] <Ralesk> good :)
[02:03] <draik> How do I remove Dolphin as the File Manager. It is there under my Favorites of the K Menu. I realized that this is what opens when I choose the Network option from the Computer tab in K Menu.
[02:04] <draik> !medibuntu
[02:04] <tokah> ahh. just migrated from ubuntu hardy. so many headaches.
[02:05] <tokah> ok so my external monitor keeps shutting on and off
[02:07] <JontheEchidna> tokah: http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.10.22/kubuntu-intrepid-dual-monitor-blinking/
[02:07] <draik> !dolphin
[02:07] <tokah> JontheEchidna, thanks man
[02:07] <JontheEchidna> np
[02:08] <draik> Can someone please check their Konqueror settings? I do not have inode/system_directory
[02:08] <Kernel> hello all. where did users and groups go under systemsettigs?
[02:08] <Kernel> i dont see it anywhere in there
[02:10] <stdin> Kernel: KMenu -> Applications -> System -> User Manager
[02:14] <draik> Has someone here successfully changed the default File Manager from Dolphin to Konqueror?
[02:17] <vandoren> when will 8.10 powerpc ports be released?
[02:19] <avamax> hey can anyone help me add a second hd
[02:19] <inteliwasp> if i use twinview on 2 monitors, and i maximize a window, will it span both monitors?
[02:20] <draik> I just upgraded my Dell laptop to 8.10 and I don't have an X GUI
[02:20] <Ralesk> vandoren: were there even ppc versions of 8.04? o.o  I thought they stopped providing the port a while back
[02:22] <twoten> I just upgraded to 8.10!
[02:23] <vandoren> they release ppc versions unofficially http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/8.04.1/release/
[02:23] <maxbaldwin> How can I make a folder into a .tar.gz?
[02:24] <huhuhuh> wath is the URL in spanish
[02:24] <twoten> use konqueror and get the service menu
[02:24] <twoten> then just right click on the folder
[02:25] <huhuhuh> wat is the pag........... in spanish
[02:25] <twoten> I need a faster repository, mine is at a lousy 4k per second!
[02:27] <ardchoille> twoten: the thousands of people who have installed/upgraded the past two days are all using the same repos, it's going to be a bit slow
[02:27] <twoten> I figgered as much, damn early adopters
[02:28] <twoten> and my kde now boots into a black screen
[02:29] <JontheEchidna> twoten: does alt+f2 do anything?
[02:29] <twoten> I'm in console mode now, do I hit alt-f2 while I'm in x?
[02:29] <draik> twoten: Me, too.
[02:30] <maxbaldwin> twoten: what do you mean service folder?
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> twoten: yeah, it could be that the desktop is crashing
[02:30] <maxbaldwin> erm, service menu
[02:30] <binMonkey> hi, guys.
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> if that's the case it would be possible to launch it from krunner
[02:30] <twoten> service menu, there are a pile of them for konqueror, they extend the right click menu with super posers
[02:30] <twoten> powers
[02:30] <binMonkey> i have a broadcom wireless card.  if i upgrade to 08.10 will i retainmy ndiswrapper setup or will i have to do it all over again?
[02:31] <maxbaldwin> ok, what do I click on after it? I'm not seeing anything that sticks out.
[02:31] <twoten> google konqueror service menus and find one that lets you zip up whole directories
[02:32] <draik> sudo dpkg --configure -a    quits on me because of too many errors. Is there a way to work around this?
[02:32] <twoten> broadcoms are a bitch, I had to give up and run a wire
[02:33] <binMonkey> twoten: i got it working with ndiswrapper.  just don't want to fool with it again. does anyone know if the upgrade will kill my ndiswrapper setup?
[02:34] <enzo_> binMonkey: I wouldn't think so, but I could be wrong
[02:34] <twoten> do you have your /home as a separate partition? then maybe your settings will be retained
[02:35] <binMonkey> enzo_: i keep thinking your way.
[02:35] <draik> !upgrade
[02:35] <binMonkey> twoten: i'm not sure.  how do i check if home is seperate?  some of this stuff is still new to me.
[02:35] <enzo_> I would think it best to create a backup of your settings
[02:36] <twoten> I keep my /home directory as a separate partition so whenever I upgrade it stays intact
[02:37] <binMonkey> i don't think i did that last time i installed.
[02:37] <binMonkey> next time i will though.
[02:37] <twoten> good habit to get into
[02:38] <binMonkey> i know to copy my home dirctory to backup but what about the directories that have my wireless stuff?  do i just copy and paste them in after the upgrade?
[02:39] <binMonkey> can i make my home a seperate partition now?
[02:39] <twoten> I suppose, anything in /opt? is your wrapper config in /etc/hosts?
[02:39] <binMonkey> let me look.
[02:41] <draik> I'm trying to upgrade using the Alternative CD on my desktop, and this is the error message I get:    Could not find the upgrade application archive, exiting
[02:42] <binMonkey> draik: isn't the alt cd the one for testing?  the live cd?
[02:43] <draik> It's for upgrading
[02:43] <draik> binMonkey: I got it running now, thanks
[02:44] <twoten> I'm running openGeu on my second computer while my big one gets installed
[02:44] <binMonkey> all right.  wish me luck, guys.  i'm going to try to upgrade now.
[02:44] <twoten> you luck good!
[02:44] <draik> binMonkey: I hope you have a lot of hours to do other things
[02:45] <binMonkey> draik: i keep thinking:  it's an upgrade, not a fresh install.  cross your fingers.
[02:46] <draik> binMonkey: I like how I'm about to upgrade my desktop right now and it's telling me it will take up to 44 minutes.
[02:46] <twoten> everyone's upgrading this weekend
[02:46] <draik> The laptops have taken hours.
[02:46] <draik> twoten: I know. It's just funny cuz of false hope :)
[02:47] <elvisds> ATI radeon works fine with kubuntu
[02:47] <twoten> I'll eventually whip my box back into shape
[02:47] <elvisds> ATI radeon works fine with kubuntu??
[02:47] <draik> I have a 2000 HP laptop running Intrepid
[02:47] <draik> I'm still trying to get the Dell laptop to finish upgrading.
[02:47] <Dig> draik: I hope you don't encounter the problem I have after upgrade.
[02:47] <draik> Dig: What was that?
[02:47] <twoten> what was that?
[02:48] <Dig> menu.lst doesn't have the correct kernel entry
[02:48] <draik> Haven't had that problem.
[02:48] <twoten> me neither
[02:49] <draik> The desktop should be a breeze.
[02:49] <twoten> I wish my apt-get update would finish so I can install mc and fix my xorg nvidia problem
[02:49] <draik> In regards to the Dell, I was expecting this. It just shut off at a random moment.
[02:50] <Dig> draik, twoten already upgrade to 8.10?
[02:50] <twoten> yeah I'm in the process, chatting over here on my second box
[02:51] <binMonkey> see you later, guys.  it's started.
[02:51] <draik> Dig: I have 2 laptops and a desktop. The HP is my guinea pig. That one is done. The Dell laptop is not going anywhere until I can push the installation of what it downloaded for the upgrade. The desktop is about to go right now
[02:51] <twoten> yo yo
[02:51] <draik> ?
[02:51] <Dig> Great!
[02:52] <draik> I just hope to get my Dell up and running
[02:52] <draik> I have too many things in my ~ to just let it go
[02:52] <Dig> too many to backup?
[02:53] <draik> Dig: Not exactly. Just no place to put them right now.
[02:53] <twoten> got a usb flash drive? a digital camera?
[02:53] <draik> I have a 500GB external
[02:54] <draik> Hmmm...
[02:54] <draik> BRB
[02:54] <twoten> 500gig? pretty exotic hardware there dude
[02:54] <ardchoille> draik: tar cjf /path/to/external/$(date +%Y%m%d)-backups.tar.bz2 /home/$USER
[02:55] <draik> Ok, here's the thing
[02:55] <ImLiz> hello room, I was wondering if once something is installed, like hplip, one can move the contents into a folder without it disrupting it's function???
[02:55] <twoten> yeah
[02:55] <draik> I was using it for "backup" of some stuff. I managed to put them on DVD storage
[02:56] <draik> I freed up quite a bit of space.
[02:56] <ImLiz> twoten: was that yeah directed at me?
[02:56] <twoten> don't see why not, just keep any symlinks updated
[02:56] <ardchoille> ImLiz: once an app is installed, it's best not to disturb it as the package manager knows where it is and other apps may call the app and the path needs to be correct
[02:56] <twoten> no at draik
[02:56] <draik> Long thought process short, I might be able to put it all in my external with 110GB left
[02:57] <twoten> let's hope you got usb 2.0
[02:57] <draik> One way to find out right now.
[02:57] <ImLiz> oh ok thanks ardchoille
[02:57] <twoten> maybe some package manager like kpackage could move it for you
[02:58] <draik> twoten: I believe so. The Dell laptop was given to me because the owner thought it was useless. I told him I have a use for it and he just said, "Fine. It's all yours, free of charge. It would be a doorstop for me"
[02:58] <ardchoille> draik: nice
[02:58] <twoten> sweet, maybe a wee fast linux like puppy would be a better choice, or openGEU
[02:58] <draik> This laptop came out to $140 with the purchase of 2GB of RAM and a new 160GB HDD
[02:59] <draik> So, I guess the laptop cost me $140. Not even on the black market will it get that great.
[03:00] <twoten> you'd have to turn tricks to get bling like that
[03:00] <bob__> Hello everyone! I just got a used Dell Inspiron 600m. I have loaded ubuntu 8 on it and am having the following problem. When using email, open office apps etc. I will be typing along and bang! the line I am writting on changes to where ever the mouse pointer is.....HELP!
[03:00] <twoten> sounds like window focus follows mouse, there's a switch for that
[03:01] <ardchoille> bob__: Ubuntu or Kubuntu? and which 8? 8.04 or 8.10?
[03:01] <Aizawa> Maybe that autoclick thing is on. just a thought; I'm not even sure what it does. :S
[03:02] <twoten> alright, I'm getting mc!
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[03:02] <bob__> I looked for a setting but couldn't find one....
[03:02] <draik> How do I get the USB to be recognized in 8.10? It did not come up.
[03:03] <twoten> anyone ever use envy? it's saved my butt a few times!
[03:03] <ardchoille> bob__: if it is Ubuntu, you should be in #ubuntu. This channel is for Kubuntu support
[03:03] <ardchoille> !envy
[03:03] <bob__> Sorry
[03:03] <ardchoille> bob__: No problem, I'm just trying to get you the best help available
[03:03] <twoten> aw shuchs
[03:03] <twoten> shucks
[03:03] <hagabaka> does kmail in 8.10 store things in ~/.kde4?
[03:04] <bob__> I'll get outta here .... I type faster than I can see. ........Bahahaha
[03:05] <draik> I am running the 8.10 Live CD. Why is my installed HDD not shown in /media ?
[03:06] <ardchoille> draik: it won't be mounted until you mount it
[03:06] <draik> ardchoille: Sorry, it was on the side. Don't have time to play with Dolphin and use Konqueror.
[03:08] <ardchoille> hagabaka: I would think it stores things in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail
[03:08] <tiklado> is there a program dor converting mp3 format into a freeformat?
[03:08] <twoten> audacity?
[03:08] <hagabaka> ardchoille: but when I started it without ~/.kde4 existing, it said "could not create /home/hagabaka/.kde4/share/apps/kmail/mail"
[03:09] <twoten> it can do mp3 to ogg vorbis
[03:09] <Aizawa> Yeah, audacity is a good one.
[03:09] <hagabaka> i created it manually and it works now
[03:09] <tiklado> iokay..thanks..
[03:09] <twoten> I like the look of rezound but could never get it to work for me
[03:09] <hagabaka> but for some reason it sees all my mail even though they're in ~/.kde/, not ~/.kde4/
[03:10] <ardchoille> hagabaka: strange, that sounds like it's going to give upgraders problems with configs of previously installed apps
[03:10] <twoten> I like the look of rezound but could never get it to work for me
[03:13] <twoten> okay, my xorg,conf says Load "Type1" and it crashed there, I assume that's type 1 fonts?
[03:13] <draik> ardchoille: I am running your suggested command, tar cjf /path/to/external/$(date +%Y%m%d)-backups.tar.bz2 /home/$USER. Should I make /home/$USER /media/disk/home/$USER ?
[03:14] <draik> ardchoille: I'm running the LiveCD.
[03:14] <ardchoille> draik: or /media/disk/$USER  it's the place tar will put the tarball so edit as needed
[03:15] <ardchoille> draik: the resulting tarball will have a filename of 20081101-backups.tar.bz2  I use that command for nightly backups on sdb1
[03:16] <twoten> I commented out Load Type 1 and x still crashes
[03:16] <draik> Yup. That is what I have
[03:16] <ardchoille> draik: if you like that backup scheme, you can always make a bash script and throw it in a cronjob
[03:17] <draik> ardchoille: That is something I would have to consider because that would save me quite a few concerns
[03:17] <twoten> now I'm running envyng from a console
[03:18] <draik> Is it too late to try and retrieve my package list for all of my installed stuff?
[03:18] <ardchoille> draik: the only thing is you will have to go into the backups location and remove old stuff once in a while
[03:19] <twoten> can you save your package database?
[03:19] <tiklado> is there like the update manager of ubuntu in kubuntu?
[03:19] <twoten> synaptic?
[03:20] <Aizawa> there's "adept"
[03:20] <ardchoille> tiklado: you mean update ubuntu apps as well as kubuntu apps?
[03:20] <tiklado> yup
[03:20] <twoten> sounds weird when you say it like that
[03:20] <draik> twoten: Is it possible to save?
[03:21] <twoten> maybe from kpackage, it does stuff other package managers don't do
[03:21] <draik> ardchoille: I would only keep the files around for 2 weeks. After that, I will review what stays and what doesn't
[03:21] <twoten> prudent
[03:22] <twoten> I practice the same regimen with my stools
[03:23] <tiklado> o.i'm quite use to ubuntu, where in the package manager update all by itself, unlike this one..im using the 8.10 and im just starting to learn how this works
[03:23] <draik> Is it possible to make a backup of my installs?
[03:23] <ardchoille> !sysresccd | draik
[03:23] <Wicked> hmm where can i get more widgets for kde4?
[03:24] <ardchoille> draik: you can use that livecd and use the PartImage app to make images of your partitions. I do this once per month in case of disasters
[03:24] <twoten> maybe Steve Balmer can get you some
[03:24] <draik> ardchoille: That's the issue. I can't do anything with it.
[03:24] <draik> ardchoille: I'm locked out of the OS
[03:25] <ardchoille> draik: locked out?
[03:25] <Wicked> !widgets
[03:25] <draik> ardchoille: Sorry. I just tightened the bulb over my head. LIGHTS ON!
[03:25] <Wicked> !widget
[03:25] <Wicked> !kde4
[03:26] <twoten> !mc
[03:26] <twoten> !xine
[03:26] <twoten> !gimp
[03:26] <twoten> ha!
[03:26] <Dragnslcr> Hm, !kde4 needs to be fixed
[03:26] <draik> Dragnslcr: So does !Dolphin
[03:27] <Dragnslcr> Indeed
[03:27] <twoten> !parisHilton
[03:28] <ardchoille> !botabuse
[03:29] <draik> !botsnack
[03:29] <draik> I wonder... can you overfeed a bot?
[03:30] <tiklado> haha
[03:30] <twoten> a gourbot
[03:30] <draik> My laptop is shutting down.
[03:30] <draik> I didn't give it the command to shut down
[03:30] <hazzy> Low battery?
[03:30] <draik> It's on AC
[03:31] <hazzy> AH
[03:31] <twoten> Michael Myers?
[03:31] <hazzy> Uh
[03:31] <draik> Trippy, right?
[03:31] <hazzy> Yes
[03:32] <draik> It's ood
[03:32] <draik> *odd
[03:32] <draik> This is what happened that messed up my install for the upgrades
[03:33] <bibek> when i ls one of the files has * at last
[03:33] <bibek> and althogh i own it i cannot delete it or move it
[03:33] <bibek> says permission denied
[03:33] <hazzy> Sudo?
[03:34] <Aizawa> This..might be a stupid question, but is there a way to rename my whole user account?
[03:34] <bibek> anyone knows whats wrong?
[03:34] <hazzy> bibek: Try "sudo", then the command
[03:34] <bibek> hazzy: i cannot sudo since i donot have that previledge
[03:34] <bibek> why is there * at last of my filename?
[03:35] <twoten> weird, I can startx as root from a console but not as my user
[03:37] <draik> Enter... the twilight zone. Kubutnu users are upgrading their systems today, only to experience odd anomilies (sp) throughout their newly upgraded operating systems. Today's episode is called, "Intrepid Ibex".
[03:37] <ardchoille> twoten: What is the error?
[03:37] <twoten> none listed I'll have to go track it down in the log file
[03:38] <ardchoille> twoten: see if root any files in your home: find /home/$USER -user root
[03:38] <Aizawa> I don't want to nag about this, but is there a way to rename my user account?
[03:39] <draik> Aizawa: What you can try is creating a new user account. Log into that account and try to edit your original account.
[03:39] <draik> That's the best I have for now.
[03:39] <Aizawa> Well, that works, but it's a lot of work configuring it. >.>
[03:40] <Aizawa> But thanks.
[03:40] <ardchoille> Aizawa: keep in mind that if you create a new account and end up deleting the old account, you may lock yourself out of sudoers if the old account has sudo privs
[03:40] <twoten> yeah there's a bunch
[03:40] <Aizawa> Hm? Wont I be able to sudo on a new account?
[03:41] <Aizawa> Nevermind.
[03:41] <ardchoille> Aizawa: not until you add the new account
[03:41] <Aizawa> Yeah I figured
[03:41] <hazzy> twoten: Sorry, did you edit your /etc/sudoers file?
[03:41] <ardchoille> twoten: .ICEauthority or .Xauthority ?
[03:42] <smarty> hey, i was able to use my headphone jack on 3.5 but after the upgrade to 4.1 i can no longer use my headphone jack with my headphones (or my volume control) any fixes?
[03:42] <favro> looked in alsamixer?
[03:43] <smarty> nope, i'll do it right now
[03:43] <ardchoille> twoten: if .ICEauthority or .Xauthority in your home are owned by root, change ownership back to your user and then try startx
[03:43] <draik> O.o 21 minutes left for the upgrade downloads. 400 packages in 21 minutes. :)
[03:43] <twoten> ardchoille: neither of those just adept_installerrc and katepart...
[03:44] <ardchoille> twoten: ok
[03:44] <twoten> I'm making progress though, nvidia seems to be loading and I'm getting 2 xsessions on my 2 screens
[03:46] <draik> I just used the connected devices feature. That is a great addition. Makes it easier to manage.
[03:47] <hazzy> Yes
[03:47] <twoten> reboot
[03:48] <twoten> well from what I've glimpsed 8.10 with kde 4.1 looks awfully slick
[03:49] <draik> ardchoille: twoten: Just wanted to thank you both for the help. I'm going to continue tinkering with 8.10 and hopefully I can get things setup to my liking; namely, no more dolphin
[03:49] <twoten> yeah really, konqueror is way better
[03:50] <hazzy> To be honest, I should get in the habit of using Konqueror more
[03:50] <draik> I mean, no offense to the devs/creators of dolphin, but it's just not efficient. It feels like a clutter to me.
[03:51] <draik> I'm all for the innovation of another option, but make the option easier to use, not a task to close out unwanted sections.
[03:53] <smarty> ok i have an issue now ... i accidentally messed up some configurations... is there a "system restore" that i can use
[03:54] <smarty> in kubuntu?
[03:54] <MinusSeven> KDE is very buggy
[03:54] <ardchoille> draik: yw :)
[03:54] <twoten> so is my compost heap
[03:55] <smarty> is there a system restore type of application that is in kubuntu, i need to revert some settings
[03:56] <Roey> hazzy:  konqueror in 4.1 is pretty bad
[03:56] <Roey> firefox is more accurate in rendering
[03:56] <twoten> how so?
[03:56] <Roey> twoten:  go to mail.yahoo.com; it messes up the rendering
[03:56] <Roey> esp. when you try to reply to a mail
[03:56] <twoten> oh as a web browser, but how about as a file manager?
[03:56] <hazzy> Roey: Well, I only use it for file browsing
[03:56] <Roey> ohhhhh ok
[03:57] <Roey> ok then, happy browsing!
[03:57] <Roey> I use it as a file browser too :)
[03:57] <hazzy> smarty: I don't think there is a system restore unless you downloaded one previously
[03:57] <trappist> I've just upgraded to intrepid, and now when I try to save a contact in kaddressbook via ldap, it hangs and I have to kill kontact and any kio_ldap processes to try again - any ideas why?
[03:58] <draik> twoten: It turns out I don't have USB 2.0 on this laptop. The transfer rate is at about 500 kB/s to 3.4 MB/s
[03:59] <hazzy> trappist: I'm not sure, but it happens to me too
[03:59] <twoten> yikes
[03:59] <draik> Moving 57.8 GB is looking like a whole day... even up to 6 according to the counter.
[04:00] <twoten> you'll have time to go to the store and buy a usb 2.0 card
[04:00] <draik> It's about another 10 minutes for the upgrade to finish downloading on my desktop.
[04:01] <taime1> flash has stopped working after i upgraded it. it doesnt even realize its installed.. what gives?
[04:01] <draik> On the bright side, I did save up to 15% by switching to Geiko.
[04:01] <twoten> lo0l
[04:01] <trappist> hazzy: I'll let you know if I discover anything useful
[04:01] <mr---t-> geico
[04:01] <draik> Close enough
[04:02] <hazzy> trappist: Alright, thanks
[04:02] <mr---t-> ok
[04:02] <draik> mr---t-: Pity the foo' that can't spell a company name?
[04:02] <mr---t-> yeah
[04:03] <Dig> is ubuntuforums.org down?
[04:03] <mr---t-> as many freakin commercials they have
[04:04] <hazzy> Dig: When I ping ubuntuforums.org, I get connectivity
[04:04] <hazzy> But ah
[04:04] <hazzy> It looks as though it is
[04:05] <taime1> does anyone else have this problem?: flash isnt recognized after upgrading it to flash 10
[04:05] <Dig> can access as http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php
[04:07] <hazzy> taimel: I'll test it myself
[04:07] <draik> WOOHOO! YES! YES! YES! 2% on the data transfer from HDD to external! We're making our way up the ladder.
[04:08] <twoten> on my kmenu button, I don't get my most used apps appearing at the top of the menu
[04:09] <draik> 3 minutes and about 40 packages left for the desktop upgrade
[04:11] <hazzy> twoten: You mean your favorites list?
[04:12] <twoten> yeah, no longer appears on top of my menu
[04:13] <trappist> hazzy: do you have a launchpad account where if I create a bug, you can confirm it?
[04:14] <hazzy> trappist: I do now
[04:14] <g0bl1n> hi, I installed 8.10 and my screen blanks when splash should appear. I have a siliconmotion. My xorg.conf has almost no info. The logs report missing Screens
[04:14] <draik> Download is done. I am now doing the install. This was a very smooth install.
[04:15] <twoten> yore lucky, I got nothing but problems
[04:17] <ardy> Please help: I can't get KDE4 to use both screens, how do I get it to work? (It worked with kubuntu 8.04 and kde 3.5)
[04:17] <draik> 3% transferred... yeah, I'll be here for a while.
[04:19] <twoten> I have the twin screen problem too, so annoying
[04:21] <bobby> while booting: kernel panick: unable to mount root file system on unknown block(3,2)
[04:21] <bobby> can u help
[04:24] <bobby> while booting: kernel panick: unable to mount root file system on unknown block(3,2)
[04:25] <bobby> please help
[04:26] <ardy> Bobby: I had that problem when I upgraded from 8.04, so I reinstalled kubunt 8.10 from the CD and it went away
[04:27] <bobby> actually its on my slackware
[04:27] <bobby> it started when i upgraded my processor
[04:34] <draik> Where do I go so that I can manage the icon size?
[04:34] <trungdung> có ai viêệ nam ko
[04:51] <deftone> How do i put  a custom icon on the start menu panel?
[04:51] <tacosarecool> hello
[04:53] <tacosarecool> Hello
[04:54] <tacosarecool> help
[04:55] <favro> deftone: does right clicking the icon give a menu?
[04:55] <favro> !help | tacosarecool
[04:55] <tacosarecool> Like when plasma crashes I lose my panel widgets
[04:55] <favro> bahh
[04:56] <deftone> ya it does favro
[04:57] <favro> deftone: isn't there an option to change the icon?
[04:57] <favro> with the right click menu?
[04:58] <deftone> yes
[04:58] <favro> :)
[04:58] <deftone> it's the KDE menu editor but i don't see an option to replace the actual button for the start menu
[04:59] <favro> I remeber seeing the option somewhere but can't exactly recall where
[04:59] <tacosarecool> Let me look
[05:00] <tacosarecool> I'll find where the button is located
[05:00] <tacosarecool> On mine
[05:00] <tacosarecool> Grr
[05:00] <tacosarecool> My desktop refreshed
[05:00] <tacosarecool> And no panel icons
[05:00] <tacosarecool> I have a serious problem
[05:00] <tacosarecool> Please help
[05:01] <trappist> !enter
[05:01] <favro> tacosarecool: how much resources are being used - top will tell
[05:04] <tacosarecool> How do I tell
[05:04] <tacosarecool> Which is using the highest
[05:05] <favro> it will be at the top of top
[05:06] <tacosarecool> Xorg?
[05:07] <tacosarecool> One's at 98 percent
[05:07] <tacosarecool> cput
[05:07] <tacosarecool> cpu
[05:10] <favro> tacosarecool: that'll be why your dramas are happn'n - try a diff vid card driver
[05:12] <tacosarecool> favro
[05:13] <tacosarecool> you still there?
[05:13] <favro> .
[05:13] <tacosarecool> Oh cool
[05:13] <tacosarecool> Ok
[05:13] <tacosarecool> So what do you want me to paste?
[05:13] <favro> nothing - I suggested another vid card driver would be a solution
[05:14] <tacosarecool> Any you recommend?
[05:14] <favro> depends on your card - lspci | grep VGA   will tell
[05:15] <tacosarecool> ati x300 I know
[05:15] <tacosarecool> or that series
[05:15] <favro> I would start with the opensource ati driver then go from there
[05:16] <tacosarecool> where's the open source ati driver at
[05:17] <favro> it should be in the kernel - add it to the device section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:19] <favro> Section "Device"   Driver   "ati"
[05:19] <tacosarecool> Should I uninstall my old driver?
[05:19] <favro> a logout/login after editing the file should be fine for that
[05:20] <tacosarecool> Wait it's's different than the propeitary drivers in the hardware drivers right
[05:21] <favro> yep it is the basic one
[05:22] <dennister> hey all...having trouble configuring a dialup modem...in over 2 years with k/ubuntu and many systems later, I've never had to do this before :)
[05:23] <favro> !dialup
[05:24] <tacosarecool> Ok
[05:24] <tacosarecool> Removed the driver
[05:24] <tacosarecool> Now what
[05:26] <favro> you should have      Driver   "ati"   in the xorg.conf file right?
[05:26] <favro> if so logout/login
[05:27] <tacosarecool> Anyway where the xorg.conf
[05:28] <favro> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:28] <favro> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:28] <tacosarecool> brb
[05:29] <favro> k
[05:31] <tacosarecool> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf  doesn't work
[05:31] <favro> what do you mean doesn't work - fileis empty or...
[05:31] <tacosarecool> so I use sudo isntead
[05:31] <tacosarecool> instead
[05:32] <tacosarecool> Section "Device"
[05:32] <tacosarecool> 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[05:32] <tacosarecool> EndSection
[05:32] <tacosarecool> That's fine right
[05:32] <tacosarecool> It doesn't say ati
[05:33] <favro> yeh under  Identifier "Configured Video Device" add  Driver   "ati"
[05:33] <dennister> favro: have looked at that page before, as well as the xmodem.org list already...but still having trouble finding one of over a dozen modems that I have here that will be recognized... have already swapped a few
[05:34] <favro> dennister: sorry but I've never done dialup - none show in lspci?
[05:34] <dennister> have also downloaded and isntalled the scanModem tool, and with every modem I swap in, gnome-ppp still can't find a modem...they all show up is lspci
[05:35] <tacosarecool> Ok what do I do
[05:35] <tacosarecool> put ati under where
[05:35] <favro> dennister: gnome-ppp? - you know this channel is for kubuntu there is #ubuntu for ubuntu
[05:35] <favro> yeh under  Identifier "Configured Video Device" add  Driver   "ati"
[05:35] <favro> tacosarecool: ^
[05:36] <tacosarecool> so Section "Device"
[05:36] <tacosarecool> 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[05:36] <tacosarecool> EndSection         ati
[05:36] <tacosarecool> Or what
[05:36] <favro> no Section "Device"
[05:36] <favro> Identifier "Configured Video Device"
[05:36] <favro> Driver   "ati"
[05:37] <favro> EndSection
[05:37] <tacosarecool> So change configured video device to Driver ati
[05:37] <favro> no
[05:37] <dennister> favro: yes, i know it's kubuntu channel, and I prefer kde, but the howto's are usually written for gnome...
[05:37] <favro> tacosarecool: there should be four lines when you're done
[05:38] <dennister> has anyone here ever configured a diaup connection?
[05:38] <favro> tacosarecool: the first will be
[05:38] <favro> Section "Device"
[05:38] <favro> second
[05:38] <favro> Identifier "Configured Video Device"
[05:38] <favro> third
[05:38] <favro> Driver   "ati"
[05:38] <favro> and last
[05:38] <favro> EndSection
[05:39] <tacosarecool> Section "Device"
[05:39] <tacosarecool> 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"                                                                 "Driver "ati"
[05:39] <tacosarecool> EndSection
[05:39] <tacosarecool> That right?
[05:40] <favro> tacosarecool: yes :)
[05:41] <mrunagi> !upgrade
[05:42] <favro> tacosarecool: now the best way to start it is   sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[05:42] <mrunagi> that stupid thing isnt clear
[05:42] <mrunagi> whats the command line to upgrade?
[05:46] <mrunagi> ????
[05:48] <dwidmann> Alrighty, anybody know what's going on with Intrepid's Xorg + NVidia?
[05:48] <mrunagi> anyone know how to upgrade? lol
[05:48] <favro> apart from them not getting on together?
[05:49] <dwidmann> mrunagi: instructions for that can be found on www.kubuntu.org
[05:49] <mrunagi> whoa intrepid has problems with nvidia?
[05:49] <dwidmann> mrunagi: Well, It's not going to work out of the box at any rate, I'm sure it can be made to work though or the complaints would have been very loud and hard for me to miss.
[05:49] <ardchoille> mrunagi: upgrading from Hardy to Intrepid?
[05:50] <mrunagi> yes ardchoille
[05:50] <ardchoille> mrunagi:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[05:50] <mrunagi> its hard having had a few drinks lol
[05:51] <ardchoille> mrunagi: Then perhaps you should wait.. you can't downgrade
[05:51] <mrunagi> are u saying i should expectt problems?
[05:52] <ardchoille> I don't know, what do you think about upgrades mixed with drinks?
[06:00] <tacosarecool> hello
[06:01] <tacosarecool> I did the thing you said
[06:01] <tacosarecool> Then It froze
[06:01] <tacosarecool> Then I had to get it back to default
[06:01] <tacosarecool> favro
[06:01] <favro> .
[06:02] <tacosarecool> the reset
[06:02] <tacosarecool> And I also have a problem at boot up not really a problem but the boot up text is weird
[06:02] <favro> all I can suggest is to replace "ati" with "vesa" in that file
[06:02] <tacosarecool> Anyway stableizing kde is more important to me right now
[06:03] <tacosarecool> Because the weird text is just when it's booting the text only part if you know what I mean
[06:03] <favro> from what you said top was saying it is xorg that is using the cpu - that's the driver afaik
[06:04] <tacosarecool> vesa?
[06:05] <favro> vesa is the "cover all bases" basic driver
[06:05] <favro> someone else might have a better suggestion
[06:05] <tacosarecool> Can I try the ati again
[06:06] <tacosarecool> Though next time I'll just restart
[06:06] <tacosarecool> Instead
[06:06] <tacosarecool> Of the kdm restart
[06:06] <tacosarecool> What was the kdm command
[06:06] <favro> tacosarecool: now the best way to start it is   sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[06:07] <tacosarecool> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart messed up it froze
[06:07] <vinci_> hi, i can't compress files with ark in gz and bz2 forms.
[06:07] <favro> try ctrl+alt+F2  then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart tacosarecool
[06:08] <tacosarecool> but where do I edit xorg again?
[06:08] <favro> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:08] <favro> !kdesu
[06:10] <Eldemon> I can not change the position of the files, help plz
[06:10] <tacosarecool> lol I've been using sudo alot then
[06:10] <tacosarecool> Oops
[06:11] <favro> Eldemon: which files do you want to move?
[06:11] <tacosarecool> I did kdesudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:11] <tacosarecool> and it said command not found
[06:11] <Eldemon> any files
[06:11] <Eldemon> .pas .mp4
[06:12] <favro> tacosarecool: you need an editor - kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:12] <tacosarecool> kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:12] <favro> yep
[06:13] <favro> Eldemon: are the files in your home dir?
[06:13] <Eldemon> yes
[06:13] <tacosarecool> Oh by the way
[06:13] <tacosarecool> This is a install of kubuntu over ubuntu
[06:13] <Wicked> hmm when i right click zip files and stuff...it nor longer has the options to extract to or extract here
[06:14] <favro> Eldemon: right click and select cut - go to the dir you want them in and right click anywhere and select paste
[06:14] <favro> tacosarecool: that shouldn't matter I would think
[06:15] <favro> Wicked: in konsole type   which ark
[06:15] <Wicked> /usr/bin/ark
[06:15] <ardchoille> favro: I don't think dolphin has the same actions in Intrepid as it did in Hardy and before
[06:15] <ardchoille> he just need to write a few service menus
[06:16] <favro> Wicked: right click the file select open with then browse to /usr/bin/ark
[06:16] <favro> fisrt thing I do is remove dolphin
[06:16] <Wicked> favro, yea..i know that..but i want a option when i right click to extract...like i used to have
[06:17] <tacosarecool> Why remove dolphin?
[06:17] <favro> Wicked: ardchoille> he just need to write a few service menus
[06:17] <tacosarecool> Can I still use kdesudo?
[06:17] <tacosarecool> I have kubuntu installed on top of ubuntu
[06:18] <favro> tacosarecool: practicality, usability, sanity
[06:18] <ardchoille> Wicked: look in  /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus  and write yourself some service menus for dolphin
[06:18] <favro> tacosarecool: it should have been installed if not install it maybe?
[06:18] <Wicked> hmm
[06:18] <Wicked> ok ardchoille
[06:19] <favro> ardchoille: got an example maybe?
[06:19] <becoming> so lost
[06:19] <ardchoille> there might be some existing service menus in /usr/share/apps/dolphin
[06:19] <favro> you're in #kubuntu becoming
[06:19] <ardchoille> I removed dolphin here so I don't have anything related to it
[06:20] <becoming> lol
[06:20] <favro> :)
[06:20] <tacosarecool> !paste
[06:21] <favro> becoming: start at the beginning - we might be able to help
[06:21] <tacosarecool> http://paste.ubuntu.com/66067/
[06:21] <becoming> i'm at the beginning
[06:22] <becoming> i've yet to jump to linux
[06:22] <becoming> but i plan to with kubuntu
[06:23] <Dig> sorry, what is "!paste"?
[06:23] <favro> becoming: I recommend the 8.04 lts for a start
[06:23] <ardchoille> Dig: it's a command to have the bot return some info
[06:23] <favro> !bot | Dig
[06:23] <favro> favorite bot out of one bots
[06:24] <becoming> why not 8.10?
[06:24] <tacosarecool> http://paste.ubuntu.com/66067/
[06:24] <favro> it's still abit too new
[06:24] <becoming> ah
[06:24] <tacosarecool> That right favro?
[06:24] <favro> looking now
[06:25] <favro> tacosarecool: looks fine tacosarecool
[06:25] <becoming> i tried to run 8.10 off the cd, but it runs at too high a resolution
[06:25] <ardchoille> becoming: the last thing we want for a new Linux user is to be overwhelmed and dump Linux. 8.04 will give you far fewer problems than 8.10 at this point
[06:26] <favro> becoming: that means you need to install proper vid drivers and that is an issue for some with the new version of kubuntu
[06:26] <Dig> !bot
[06:26] <deftone> can anyone walk me through changing the kde start menu button to another one that i have?
[06:26] <becoming> i have up to date drivbers for win
[06:27] <ardchoille> becoming: those won't work in Linux
[06:27] <Dig> !bot | Dig
[06:27] <becoming> i figured as much
[06:27] <becoming> tre problem is my monitor
[06:28] <tacosarecool> Ok now what?
[06:28] <becoming> my vid card can do high rez
[06:29] <favro> tacosarecool: does top show cpu usage as reasonable now?
[06:29] <steelhoof> evening all
[06:29] <ardchoille> becoming: well, video drivers are a big issue in 8.10, you're best bet is starting with 8.04. I've been using linux for 7 years and I'm still on 8.04.
[06:29] <Don_Miguel> becoming, is that 'can'  ?  OR 'canNot'  do high rez ??
[06:30] <Dig> !paste
[06:30] <becoming> My monitor can only do 1280x1024
[06:30] <becoming> unfortunately
[06:31] <becoming> I'll take a look at 8.04
[06:31] <Bearcat> hey folks
[06:31] <ardchoille> becoming: I can give you a link if you want. Where are you located?
[06:32] <becoming> Is the only real difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu Gnome and KDE?
[06:32] <ardchoille> yes
[06:32] <becoming> Because I like what I've seen of KDE4 so far
[06:32] <ardchoille> becoming:  same base system, only the desktop is different. There's also xubuntu with XFCE
[06:33] <becoming> I saw that
[06:33] <ardchoille> becoming: once you have one installed, it's easy enough to install another desktop environment too
[06:33] <mrunagi> hah adept wont let me upgrade
[06:33] <steelhoof> looking for an install image that will be happy on a usb flash drive than can be setup from windows.
[06:34] <becoming> Ok, with that said is it easier to start with Ubuntu or Kubuntu or does it not matter?
[06:34] <steelhoof> serve no has dvd drive, remote location with only a win32 laptop
[06:35] <ardchoille> becoming: that is not easy to answer. I have a 8 year old niece who started with kde and she's fine. others prefer gnome
[06:35] <Freku> the last kde version led me to gnome
[06:35] <Freku> :)
[06:36] <Dig> I cannot remember in my mind. Did Linus recommend KDE?
[06:36] <becoming> 4 or 3?
[06:36] <vinciWu> kde4 amazing
[06:36] <tacosarecool> Yes
[06:36] <tacosarecool> He did recommend kde
[06:36] <becoming> KDE4 is beautiful
[06:36] <becoming> that's why i want to go kubuntu
[06:36] <tacosarecool> Yeah
[06:36] <ardchoille> becoming: have you browsed the gnome and kde sites yet?
[06:36] <Freku> kde4 has too many gadgets for me,  but its personal
[06:36] <tacosarecool> I just got to stabalized
[06:37] <becoming> i've looked at kde
[06:37] <becoming> gnome not so much
[06:37] <ardchoille> becoming: also keep in mind that you can make kde and gnome both look pretty much like anything
[06:38] <ardchoille> becoming: http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Gallery/Screenshots
[06:39] <Dig> In my experience, I kind of missing the real desktop, rather than widgets.
[06:39] <Freku> yeah i didnt like the widgets either
[06:39] <vinciWu> i like widget desktop
[06:39] <Freku> fun for like 2 minutes
[06:40] <deftone> having problems logging as root
[06:40] <Freku> !root
[06:40] <ardchoille> deftone: you're not supposed to log in as root and it's recommended not to.
[06:41] <vinciWu> yeah, it's dangerous
[06:41] <favro> !sudo
[06:41] <vinciWu> widget desktop is very flexible
[06:41] <deftone> i want to rename the kdemenu.png file to kdemenuold.png so i can replace it with a better icon.
[06:41] <tacosarecool> Wait
[06:41] <tacosarecool> Ok
[06:41] <vinciWu> i love the folder view
[06:41] <tacosarecool> favro
[06:42] <tacosarecool> How do I do that command
[06:42] <ardchoille> deftone: use sudo for that
[06:42] <tacosarecool> ctrl alt f2 right
[06:42] <tacosarecool> then
[06:42] <favro> yep
[06:42] <tacosarecool> but then what
[06:42] <tacosarecool> command
[06:42] <tacosarecool> What command
[06:42] <Bearcat> folks, i'm tired and probably stupid, but i'm trying to run Adept_manager in 8.04. It keeps telling me that the database is locked (used by some other process). i've killled off all adept/apt processes but it's no use. I'm not usually an ubuntu user so i'm confused. (sourcemage user). Any ideas? I'm running as root so it should not be a permissions issue
[06:43] <favro> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[06:43] <favro> tacosarecool: ^
[06:43] <CYREX> need help with something weird i am having. I usually install mysq admin, query browser find, either from adept manager or synaptic, but now they dont show, they only show when i do a aptitude search
[06:43] <tacosarecool> What if it freezes?
[06:43] <favro> !aptfix | Bearcat
[06:43] <tacosarecool> Can I do kdesudo?
[06:43] <ardchoille> Bearcat: sounds to me like you have some process still using the database
[06:43] <CYREX> what i mean with all of this is that several packages are not showing on either synaptic or adept manager but they do show when i use aptitude
[06:43] <Bearcat> ardchoille: right. the question is..wht process?
[06:43] <vinciWu> first you have to know where is the icon is
[06:44] <favro> tacosarecool: that's what backups of files are for
[06:44] <deftone> how do i rename a file that needs root ?
[06:44] <tacosarecool> but do I need to put sudo or kdesudo
[06:44] <vinciWu> sudo cp files files
[06:44] <favro> deftone: sudo mv -v filename newname
[06:44] <Bearcat> ardchoille: doing a 'ps aux |grep ad' and 'ps aux |grep apt" show me nothing of relevence
[06:44] <favro> tacosarecool: if you are not opening a window then sudo
[06:45] <tacosarecool> Should I close all the windows
[06:45] <tacosarecool> Yeah
[06:45] <CYREX> anybody?
[06:46] <vinciWu> CYREX: use synaptic
[06:46] <CYREX> VinciWu please read what i wrote
[06:46] <vinciWu> CYREX: sorry
[06:47] <CYREX> and yes i know...synaptic rocks
[06:47] <vinciWu> maybe you have to update your repository
[06:47] <CYREX> already did
[06:47] <ardchoille> CYREX: in synaptic, did you click the Reload button?
[06:47] <CYREX> i can see any package from aptitude but not from adept or synaptic
[06:48] <vinciWu> CYREX: reinstall synaptic?
[06:49] <vinciWu> CYREX: remove completely and reinstall
[06:49] <vinciWu> CYREX: or reconfigure it
[06:50] <CYREX> hehe vinci no
[06:50] <CYREX> its not synaptic or adepts fault
[06:50] <vinciWu> CYREX: and then i dont know, sorry
[06:50] <CYREX> besides i think the problem is something else because synaptic is ubuntus manager and adept is kubuntus
[06:51] <CYREX> already check sources.list
[06:51] <CYREX> already did an aptitude update
[06:51] <CYREX> already did a hard reset
[06:51] <carloslicea> hi I'm trying to make a bash script, it is my very first one and I've hit something I cannot understand, the first line of the script should be #!/bin/bash shouldn't it? i get the error that it's the wrong interpreter no such file or directory
[06:51] <CYREX> do me a favor at least
[06:51] <carloslicea> tried /bin/sh too
[06:51] <CYREX> look in synaptic or adept
[06:51] <CYREX> for mysql
[06:52] <vinciWu> CYREX: ok
[06:52] <CYREX> then look for the packages "mysq admin", "mysql gui tools" or "mysql query browser"
[06:52] <carloslicea> !bash
[06:52] <CYREX> or look for VLC
[06:52] <favro> carloslicea: in terminal type   which bash
[06:53] <CYREX> let me know if you find any of this
[06:53] <CYREX> if you dont then you have my same problem
[06:53] <ardchoille> CYREX: you on Intrepid?
[06:53] <carloslicea> favro: /bin/bash
[06:53] <CYREX> weird thing is, the count for all packages is correct
[06:53] <CYREX> yeap
[06:53] <CYREX> 8.10 baby
[06:53] <carloslicea> favro: now I'm confused! lol
[06:53] <ardchoille> ok
[06:53] <CYREX> got 2 pcs here, one with ubuntu, another with kubuntu
[06:53] <favro> you and me both... carloslicea
[06:54] <vinciWu> CYREX: ok, i found all of them
[06:54] <ardchoille> carloslicea: are you sure the error isn't coming from something in the code of the script?
[06:54] <CYREX> you did
[06:54] <ardchoille> carloslicea: because #!/bin/bash is correct
[06:54] <Ayabara> the digikam in the kubuntu repos are 0.9.x, right?
[06:54] <carloslicea> ardchoille: no I'm not actually, but shouldn't it tell me if the error is in the script?
[06:54] <vinciWu> CYREX: yes
[06:54] <ardchoille> carloslicea: no
[06:54] <carloslicea> no?
[06:55] <carloslicea> oh
[06:55] <ardchoille> carloslicea: care to pastebin the script?
[06:55] <ardchoille> !paste
[06:55] <favro> carloslicea: paste the script and we'll try and decipher it
[06:55] <favro> !paste
[06:55] <CYREX> ok now is all weird since both have the same problem
[06:55] <favro> !lag
[06:55] <CYREX> different PCs
[06:55] <carloslicea> ardchoille, favro: ok, it's actually like 3 lines long
[06:56] <favro> carloslicea: 3 is ok here
[06:56] <vinciWu> CYREX: did you mean you can see it in aptitude?
[06:56] <CYREX> exactly
[06:56] <CYREX> if for example i do a "aptitude search vlc"
[06:56] <CYREX> i will see all the vlc packages
[06:56] <CYREX> but if i look for them either on adept or synaptic i wont find any
[06:56] <favro> does apt-cache search do the same
[06:56] <ardchoille> it should
[06:57] <favro> "should"
[06:57] <CYREX> not only that but synaptic will give me the finger while adept will stick its tongue out
[06:57] <favro> hehe
[06:57] <ardchoille> haha
[06:57] <vinciWu> CYREX: it's really weird
[06:57] <CYREX> i know..never seen adept stick its tongue out
[06:57] <carloslicea> favro, ardchoille: http://paste.ubuntu.com/66078/
[06:57] <vinciWu> CYREX: will you change other repository?
[06:57] <CYREX> just kidding, well i guess i will work on this to see what the problem is
[06:57] <CYREX> did 3 changes
[06:58] <CYREX> after i got that problem
[06:58] <CYREX> i removed the cdrom link in the sources.list
[06:58] <CYREX> checked again
[06:58] <CYREX> added the winehq link
[06:58] <CYREX> check again
[06:58] <CYREX> nothing
[06:58] <ardchoille> carloslicea: and you have given this script a ".sh" file extension and made it executable?
[06:58] <CYREX> everytime i checked i did an update of course
[06:58] <carloslicea> a\
[06:58] <carloslicea> ardchoille: yes i did both
[06:59] <CYREX> so my question is why can apt or aptitude SEE all packages, but not the graphical managers
[06:59] <CYREX> let me do a ps -e maybe there is something there
[06:59] <vinciWu> CYREX: did you set the filter?
[06:59] <favro> carloslicea: try a space after for
[06:59] <carloslicea> ardchoille: ls -l: -rwxr-xr-x 1 carloslicea carloslicea 123 2008-11-01 23:58 obtener.sh
[06:59] <CYREX> let me check
[07:00] <vinciWu> CYREX: mine in search filter are all checked
[07:00] <carloslicea> favro: still the same: "bash: ./obtener.sh: /bin/bash^M: intérprete incorrecto: No existe el fichero ó directorio" rougly wroing interpreter, the directory or file doesn't exist
[07:01] <CYREX> thank you vinci
[07:01] <CYREX> it was that
[07:01] <CYREX> but the checked ons where oki
[07:01] <crxyem> so, I'm running 8.10 now, but for some reason every time I start firefox, it loads on top off panels, without a tool bar that would alow you to minimize or maximize etc.. any ideas ??
[07:01] <CYREX> it was the other tab
[07:01] <CYREX> the section tab
[07:01] <CYREX> it was on exclude all
[07:01] <carloslicea> favro, ardchoille: wait a minute! i think i know what's wrong
[07:01] <favro> carloslicea: remove the #!/bin/bash and let it use the default sh
[07:01] <CYREX> put it on include all now it works
[07:03] <carloslicea> favro: solved it, I was saving with the end of line of Windows (I was working with some people who uses windows", hence there was an extra character there (/r/n IIRC while in linux is just /n )
[07:03] <vinciWu> CYREX: haha, solved
[07:03] <carloslicea> favro: thanks a lot
[07:03] <favro> carloslicea: np :)
[07:03] <CYREX> well the only thing not working in synaptic is the quick search, but for the normal Search button is good now
[07:04] <CYREX> many thanks
[07:04] <ardchoille> Windows? is that thing still around? ;)
[07:04] <favro> evil things never die...
[07:04] <vinciWu> CYREX: quick search will just search the results, and the search will search the whole repository
[07:05] <CYREX> am very sorry for all you kde adept manager lovers
[07:05] <dr_willis> carloslicea,  seen that issue MANY A TIME...
[07:05] <CYREX> but that crap sucks
[07:05] <CYREX> cant find anything there
[07:05] <Dig> can I ask off topic question here?
[07:05] <CYREX> thank vinci
[07:05] <CYREX> didnt know that
[07:05] <ardchoille> Dig: probably better in #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:05] <vinciWu> CYREX: ha i still use synaptic, adept is too crap
[07:05] <CYREX> same
[07:05] <CYREX> either that or terminal aptitude
[07:06] <CYREX> synaptic manages much better packages, relations and shows in a TRUE user-friendly gui all the info
[07:06] <carloslicea> favro: :)
[07:06] <carloslicea> dr_willis: have you? :P
[07:06] <CYREX> adept gives me the finger AND the tongue
[07:06] <dr_willis> yep.. it pays to not edit/transfer scripts to/from windows :)
[07:06] <vinciWu> CYREX: i just use aptitude few times, because im lazy
[07:07] <CYREX> well vinci many thanks, take care
[07:07] <carloslicea> dr_willis: noted
[07:07] <CYREX> hehe
[07:07] <vinciWu> CYREX: you too
[07:07] <dr_willis> at least ya saw  the ^M  in the error message /bin/bash^M
[07:07] <ardchoille> dr_willis: I stared at that wondering what it was
[07:07] <ardchoille> ctrl+M?
[07:08] <dr_willis> windows uses a Carrage return + Line feed... Linux just uses one of those..
[07:08] <dr_willis> MS using its own standard since dos days.. :)
[07:10] <scarlet> hello one and all
[07:10] <favro> !hi
[07:10] <mike_> Quick 8.10 question? My wired connection is working but I can't see any way to edit that through gui - edit config from the taskbar only seems to allow add new - is this "correct"?
[07:11] <favro> mike_: it has been mentioned before
[07:11] <mike_> k - is it intended to be fixed?
[07:12] <scarlet> how do how do you add a git repository to adept or synaptic?  I'm trying to install the drm via freedesktop's git repository and it tells me the drm directory already exists.  I thought if it was in the repositorys, it would update on its own.  I have version 2.3.1 and the intel graphics driver calls for >=2.4
[07:12] <mike_> favro: k - is it intended to be fixed?
[07:13] <favro> mike_: I guess the devs have the best intentions for all issues but time is the factor - in other words who knows at this early stage
[07:13] <ilya_> good day
[07:13] <scarlet> hello ilya
[07:13] <favro> mike_: you can manually edit the /etc/network/interfaces file
[07:13] <deftone> how do i get rid of the Home folder on the task bar?
[07:14] <mike_> favro: ok thanks - I know that but in my old age I find I like gui's :-)
[07:14] <favro> :)
[07:14] <crxyem> deftone, right click, should be a remove this ... option
[07:14] <deftone> what intel graphics chip do u have scarlet?
[07:14] <Dig> anyone plays game on Linux?
[07:14] <favro> !games
[07:14] <deftone> wow that was too easy....lol..thanks crxyem
[07:15] <crxyem> np
[07:15] <favro> right click ftw
[07:15] <scarlet> deftone:
[07:15] <scarlet> Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub (rev 0c)
[07:15] <scarlet> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[07:15] <ilya_> ubbut, do you like default games from packages.ubuntu.com?
[07:15] <scarlet> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[07:15] <Dig> cool
[07:16] <deftone> oh boy
[07:16] <favro> !tab | ilya_
[07:16] <deftone> that video chipset is blacklisted so ur gonna have problems just like me
[07:16] <deftone> i can't run compiz or anything fancy cause of that either....i hate it.
[07:17] <scarlet> deftone: why's it blacklisted?
[07:17] <favro> intel normally has good support - the blacklist file sometimes mentions the conflict
[07:18] <scarlet> oy vey.....
[07:18] <deftone> because something about the accelerated graphics portion of that chip interferes with xorg...they both want to use it....there's a bunch of stuff on it...i can find it if you want to read it
[07:19] <deftone> i can't believe it's blacklist....there's a ton of people with that chipset....that's just not acceptable man....grrr
[07:19] <scarlet> I've noticed that all the errors I get seem to lead back to xorg.  I get a whole bunch of EnumDisplayDevicesW errors when I launch wow....which just crashes
[07:19] <deftone> i was gonna go with mandriva because of that specific problem
[07:20] <dr_willis> it would be odd that an intel chipset woruld work properly with one disrto, and not others.. assuming the kernel versions are the same.
[07:20] <scarlet> so would mandrive be better? or SuSe, or Debain or something?
[07:20] <deftone> mandriva works with Intel GM965 out of the box....why mandriva does and ubuntu doesn't is beyond my comprehension
[07:20] <dr_willis> could be some xorg version issues also.
[07:20] <deftone> unfortunately mandriva is the only one i know that works.....i've read on this for about two weeks now.
[07:21] <scarlet> I've spend weeks installing ever opengl support and trying to update drivers.....and it's all for not for a black listed chipset....
[07:21] <favro> mandriva looks good in blue but that drake tools thingy is counterintuitive
[07:21] <dr_willis> unblacklist it and see if it works? :)
[07:22] <favro> back the file up first
[07:22] <scarlet> uhhhhhhhhhhhh.....somehow,   I doubt it............I"m not a Linux Goddess...
[07:35] <glade88> can anyone reproduce a bug? click on "Add widgets" and in the add widget window, click on the drop menu to select any of the categories. The entries so appear are blank without an icon and/or name. Switching back to "All categories" still shows them blank.
[07:36] <ardchoille> glade88: confirmed here yesterday
[07:37] <glade88> ardchoille: did you file a bug report?
[07:37] <ardchoille> glade88: I didn't have time at the time
[07:37] <glade88> ardchoille: ok. thanks for confirming. I'll file it now :)
[07:37] <ardchoille> That was bug number 30 or so for me on kde4 and I was in a rush to restore Hardy to the system.
[07:38] <ardchoille> glade88: if you do file it, let me know where it is and I'll log in and confirm it
[07:38] <glade88> ardchoille: I'll give you the link shortly
[07:38] <ardchoille> ok
[07:42] <glade88> ardchoille: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/292509
[07:45] <ardchoille> glade88: done :)
[07:45] <glade88> ardchoille: thanks :)
[07:45] <scarlet> why is kde4 so buggy?
[07:45] <dr_willis> makes it more fun
[07:46] <glade88> +1
[07:46] <Freku> making new things is bound to be buggy
[07:46] <favro> making buggy things isn't new tho
[07:47] <ardchoille> glade88: yw
[07:55] <ardy> has anyone gotten kde to run on two xdisplays?
[07:55] <digitalvectorz> ello.  i have a creative webcam live!...runs fine in cheese, but since i upgraded to 8.10, it will not work with kopete.  it shows the device and the driver (zc3xx) but dont' work.
[07:56] <digitalvectorz> any ideas?
[07:59] <favro> !webcam
[07:59] <favro> hope it's been updated
[08:01] <dr_willis> proberly not. :)
[08:02] <doilgheas> hi why is there no more the option for add an activity on ibex?
[08:02] <digitalvectorz> is kde4.1 out yet?
[08:03] <doilgheas> on/in ibex (8.10)
[08:03] <favro> and in hardy
[08:04] <doilgheas> no in hardy there are more activities
[08:05] <doilgheas> but i cannt zoom out for add an activity on ibex with the menu right on top or is there another setting option for that somewhere else?
[08:05] <favro> doilgheas: sorry - I meant kde4 is available in ibex and in hardy - for digitalvectorz
[08:06] <doilgheas> oh ok
[08:06] <digitalvectorz> lol thanks favro
[08:06] <favro> np :)
[08:06] <digitalvectorz> does kde4.1 have webcam support working for kopete?
[08:07] <favro> it "should" - did the link from ubottu help at all?
[08:07] <digitalvectorz> cause i had installed kopete before upgrading to 8.10, and the webcam worked well.  but after installing 8.1 and then installing kubuntu-desktop (after the upgrade) it stopped working
[08:07] <digitalvectorz> i've tried the supported cams link..and messed around there
[08:17] <com_h> Good evening all, this might be a silly question, but my system was working all good, and I installed VMware Server, now even when I'm not running the VMware Server I seem to be getting a heap of hard drive activity, even when Kubuntu is idle, is there a task manager or some way I can see what is doing all the drive activity? apart from that the system seems to operating fine.
[08:18] <dr_willis> htop, top can show running processes/ussage
[08:18] <glade88> top
[08:18] <glade88> oh my.. lag
[08:18] <JohnFlux2> com_h: press ctrl+esc
[08:19] <JohnFlux2> but it doesn't show drive activity
[08:20] <glade88> neither does top
[08:20] <JohnFlux2> there's iotop - but i don't remember how useful it is
[08:21] <JohnFlux2> I would like to add i/o activity to the task manager  (i'm the maintainer)
[08:22] <BleSS> I upgraded to 8.10 and there is a bug on NetworkManager. how does solve it?
[08:22] <BleSS> my network card left of working. it happens on both Ubuntu and Kubuntu 8.10
[08:22] <BleSS> best solution by now => # apt-get remove network-manager; ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient3
[08:38] <encephalitogenic> http://www.ihateyoujulia.com/?id=5bc1d1661d9c1173c82772dc7af22070
[08:40] <vurv> hey
[08:40] <vurv> i was upgrading from Hardy to Intrepid
[08:40] <vurv> it errored out @ 99%
[08:40] <vurv> what's the proper way to resume it?
[08:40] <vurv> i was using kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade"
[08:41] <Machtin> what if you use sudo aptitude dist-upgrade?
[08:42] <favro> maybe   apt-get install -f
[08:42] <Machtin> encephalitogenic: oh come on..
[08:42] <ardchoille> Machtin: sudo aptitude dist-upgrade will not upgrade to the nest release
[08:42] <favro> !spam | encephalitogenic
[08:43] <Machtin> thought he udpated his sources.list
[08:43] <Machtin> my bad
[08:43] <Machtin> "do-release-upgrade"?
[08:44] <vurv> everything's already upgraded
[08:44] <vurv> sources changed, too
[08:44] <vurv> i'm doing the aptitude dist-upgrade
[08:44] <vurv> it's just removing a bunch of packages
[08:44] <vurv> it errored out @ 99% doing the install
[08:44] <vurv> so this should work, i guess
[08:44] <vurv> this always happens to me during dist upgrades =\
[08:44] <vurv> heh
[08:44] <Machtin> hm
[08:44] <favro> !upgrade | vurv this is how to do it
[08:45] <Machtin> by the way.. where can i select the services which i want to be launched at startup?
[08:45] <rkalitta> anyone know how to handle forigin chars in command line?
[08:45] <Machtin> like.. i e.g. installed vsftpd.. and i don't want it to start automatically
[08:45] <vurv> favro: and, um.. yeah
[08:46] <vurv> already was following the Kubuntu notes
[08:46] <dr_willis> delete it from the system services runlevels
[08:46] <vurv> but thanks?
[08:46] <dr_willis> !sysv
[08:46] <corigo> Updated to 8.10 and now I can't seem to connect to my home wireless. Each and every time I configure WEP for an ASCII pass phrase, when I re-open the configuration it is back to default HEX
[08:46] <zaishaza> hi. anyone else having graphical problems with kubuntu 8.10? i've got intel integrated graphics and when i use blender windows keep filling up with static.
[08:46] <dr_willis> Hmm thers some sysv config tools in the repos.. not sure if any come with kubuntu
[08:46] <ardchoille> !sysvconf
[08:46] <dr_willis> !find sysv
[08:47] <favro> !info sysv-rc-conf
[08:47] <dr_willis> sysvconfig - A text menu based utility for configuring init script links
[08:47] <favro> dr_willis: !find is borked unfortunately
[08:47] <dr_willis> theres also some command line tools   rc-Somthing.somthing
[08:47] <favro> sysv-rc-conf
[08:48] <dr_willis> I dont see that on my 8.10 setup favro  _ odd
[08:48] <favro> !info sysv-rc-conf
[08:48] <favro> sysv-rc-conf (source: sysv-rc-conf): SysV init runlevel configuration tool for the terminal. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99-6 (intrepid), package size 23 kB, installed size 104 kB
[08:48] <Machtin> kay.
[08:48] <Machtin> thanks
[08:52] <JohnFlux2> zaishaza: you could try going to system settings and changing the Desktop->Advanced Options->Compositing type    to xrender
[08:53] <JohnFlux2> zaishaza: I think what you are seeing is an opengl thing
[08:53] <JohnFlux2> zaishaza: you need to either turn off opengl rendering in blender (if possible) or turn off off compositing opengl rendering
[08:53] <christian> anyone here have experience fixing scim + intrepid ibex for KDE4 input?
[08:55] <zaishaza> JohnFlux2: thanks. i'll try that
[08:55] <dr_willis> I recall removing scim. :) it was spamming in the backdground making konsole take 20+ sec to startup
[08:55] <christian> haha, I don't have that problem
[08:55] <christian> I need to input japanese characters
[08:55] <dr_willis> This was in the RC/Beta.. so it may be fixed by now. :) i got no need for scim so i dident pay much attention to it
[08:55] <christian> works fine for GTK, KDE3 apps, not KDE4 (or OO.org)
[08:56] <christian> which is particularly annoying since Kiten (Japanese dictionary) is KDE4
[09:00] <zaishaza> changing to xrender didn't help. my screen still keeps filling up with static when i use blender.
[09:03] <administrator> was wondering if someone could tell me how to change my name?
[09:03] <administrator> in Kubuntu 8.10
[09:04] <administrator> change from administrator@computer to something else@computer
[09:05] <administrator> no one knows :(?
[09:05] <favro> yep
[09:05] <nekostar> i would help you but i've already been banned in two chans for that sorry ^^
[09:06] <favro> that would need you to make another user and login as that user afaik
[09:06] <administrator> this is the tech support channel right?
[09:06] <nekostar> free support yes
[09:06] <favro> nekostar: you just don't get how it works here
[09:06] <nekostar> also ubuntuforums.org is quite good.
[09:06] <administrator> alright thank you
[09:07] <administrator> neko, for a second I thought you were talking about 4chan or something
[09:07] <nekostar> administrator basically most of us use ubuntu or one of its variants, and we hang out and help ppl who need it.
[09:07] <nekostar> lol adhe90
[09:07] <nekostar> er administrator rather :P
[09:07] <administrator> ok, so just make a new user
[09:07] <nekostar> administrator so say you learn a few tricks, perhaps you hang out and end up helping favro one day ;)
[09:07] <nekostar> yes
[09:07] <administrator> heh, will do
[09:07] <administrator> thanks
[09:07] <nekostar> make sure to add that user to groups admin cdrom um few others
[09:08] <nekostar> there's a nice gui tool in the panel.. i think its settings or something dont recall offhand ^^
[09:08] <administrator> talking foreign language to me
[09:08] <nekostar> [cli is not hard either though]
[09:08] <nekostar> hm
[09:08] <administrator> groups
[09:08] <nekostar> ok on the bottom left of the screen, click the menu bit.
[09:08] <administrator> no groups in system settings
[09:08] <nekostar> type groups or user
[09:08] <nekostar> gimme one sec
[09:08] <administrator> groupware wizard
[09:09] <administrator> I'm on 8.10 kubuntu
[09:10] <nekostar> srry not in my kde one right now. looking it up online
[09:10] <administrator> I'm retarded
[09:10] <administrator> had no luck on google
[09:10] <nekostar> you dont mean in irc or just the machine name do you?
[09:10] <corigo2> Updated to 8.10 and now I can't seem to connect to my home wireless. Each and every time I configure WEP for an ASCII pass phrase, when I re-open the configuration it is back to default HEX
[09:11] <nekostar> i'm assuming you mean the name you log in with, right administrator ?
[09:11] <administrator> yes
[09:11] <administrator> administrator@computer
[09:11] <nekostar> corigo2 sometimes you need to do it all in /etc/network/interfaces manually for ssid, etc.
[09:11] <nekostar> ok gimme a second then
[09:11] <administrator> want to change 'administator' to Superman or something
[09:12] <administrator> looking for this new user thing
[09:12] <corigo2> nekostar: I though 8.10 was all about easier networking. What the hell is that?
[09:12] <favro> !adduser
[09:12] <administrator> you sure the WEP is on ASCII? are you sure you have ASCII?
[09:12] <administrator> worked fine for me
[09:12] <administrator> thanks favro
[09:13] <favro> np
[09:13] <nekostar> ah yes system settings
[09:13] <nekostar> lol
[09:13] <corigo2> I just reset the WEP to HEX, but while I was on the other computer changing the WEP on the wireless the Network Icon disappeared from my task bar.
[09:13] <nekostar> anyway its still true corigo
[09:13] <nekostar> corigo2 rather
[09:13] <nekostar> anyway i'm out
[09:14] <administrator> !adduser kubuntu
[09:14] <administrator> hm
[09:14] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddUsersHowto administrator
[09:15] <administrator> no User/Group setting
[09:16] <administrator> ah
[09:17] <administrator> it's called Kuser
[09:17] <corigo2> Now when I try to launch Network Settings it doesn't recognize my distro and only lists Hardy Heron as the highest Kubunt/Ubuntu distro
[09:17] <administrator> !kuser
[09:17] <corigo2> How do I launch a GUI text editor from the command line... and open the target file?
[09:18] <favro> !info kuser
[09:18] <corigo2> Kate for example... so I can edit etc/network/interface
[09:18] <bazhang> kdesu kate corigo2
[09:18] <administrator> sudo kate and then the file location
[09:18] <bazhang> not sudo
[09:18] <administrator> sudo /make/me/a/sandwich
[09:18] <administrator> .txt
[09:19] <administrator> what's the difference
[09:19] <corigo2> I am already su root
[09:19] <administrator> oh
[09:19] <corigo2> kate isn't launching
[09:20] <favro> !kdesu
[09:21] <xp-killer> can kopete keep a history of conversations?
[09:21] <jussi01> xp-killer: yes, there is a history plugin
[09:21] <administrator> can I kdesu apt-get?
[09:21] <xp-killer> where do i activat it?
[09:23] <jussi01> xp-killer: settings - configure - plugins
[09:23] <ardchoille> administrator: kdesu is for gui apps, use sudo for cli apps on the command line
[09:23] <administrator> wonder why they differentiate it
[09:24] <administrator> well, thanks for help
[09:24] <ardchoille> administrator:  http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why
[09:24] <administrator> I read it
[09:24] <favro> kdesu is graphical apps are handle as the should be - sudo is for no graphics
[09:24] <xp-killer> jussi01: ok.can kopete save my friends smileys and use them after ?
[09:24] <corigo> I don't understand this. I had a perfectly good working Kubuntu. Wireless networking was fine. I upgrade and now it doesn't work. Is this Microsoft?
[09:25] <administrator> yes, its kind of like don't touch the fire or you'll get burned
[09:25] <administrator> I was just curious why sudo doesn't work for everything
[09:25] <jussi01> xp-killer: not sure, havent used it much
[09:25] <administrator> oh well, off to bed with me
[09:27] <xp-killer> daddy: how to change name? lol
[09:27] <favro>  /nick newnick
[09:27] <favro> xp-killer: ^
[09:28] <xp-killer> a o k
[09:29] <elwood> hi guys
[09:29] <elwood> i need help to use cmake with a plasmoid...i'm new to cmake and i get error :)
[09:30] <favro> the error elwood ?
[09:30] <elwood> favro: i'm pasting
[09:30] <daddy_is_me> any idea how to configure the trackpoint of my toshibha ?
[09:31] <corigo> Well, switching WEP to HEX doesn't seem to help. Wireless won't connect
[09:31] <deftone> hey how do i install compiz??
[09:31] <favro> !wifi | corigo maybe this will help
[09:31] <elwood> favro: http://pastebin.com/d578e3cca
[09:32] <favro> !compiz | deftone intrepid has its' own compositor tho
[09:33] <elwood> favro: i have created the  dir "build" as in the installation note. but i'm missing something
[09:33] <favro> elwood: are you in the right directory?
[09:34] <elwood> favro: i can go back into previous
[09:35] <favro> elwood: CMake Error: The source directory "/opt/plasma/plasma-weatherforecast-0.2/build" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.
[09:35] <elwood> favro: and this is the awful http://pastebin.com/d7244de3
[09:35] <favro> seems to be the prob
[09:37] <elwood> favro: i don't know how works this cmake....i'm missing something?
[09:38] <elwood> it's missing the path to the cmake?
[09:38] <corigo> favro: ? !wifi.... ?
[09:39] <favro> corigo: <corigo> Well, switching WEP to HEX doesn't seem to help. Wireless won't connect
[09:40] <corigo> favro: ....
[09:40] <elwood> ok i solved :) missing the libqt4-dev
[09:40] <favro> elwood: CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.6/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:72 (MESSAGE): - cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config`  - maybe not use the kde4 config bit - I am vague on cmake tho
[09:42] <favro> corigo: you were having wifi troubles from what I read - that link is my total knowledge on wifi - I prefer speed an security.. hehe
[09:42] <johnnie> hello
[09:42] <johnnie> is there chinese ?
[09:43] <dr_willis> !cn
[09:43] <jussi01> !cn | johnnie
[09:43] <johnnie> think
[09:43] <johnnie> thanks
[09:44] <corigo> What I don't understand is why the icon keeps disappearing. How do I relaunch the Network Manager when it goes away? I can't find it in the applications. Only the old version which doesn't recognize 8.10 II as a valid version
[09:46] <corigo> Now I've even lost the KDE button to navigate to the applications at all.
[09:46] <favro> corigo: is your cpu maxed out - top will tell
[09:46] <Dig> Actually i have problem while installing multiple languages in a single machine(@8.10). System language is English. Most of them are fine,  but for example compiled errors are mixed.
[09:47] <corigo> favro: doing what? I'm not running any applicatiosn
[09:47] <favro> corigo: it might be xorg maxing the cpu - I say might be
[09:48] <corigo> No. 4-8%
[09:48] <favro> hence loosing stuff when it redraws
[09:48] <favro> k
[09:48] <corigo> xorg 1-2%
[09:49] <Tm_T> hi kids
[09:49] <elwood> my xorg is 8-10
[09:50] <lordhelmet> hey all. i just updated to intrepid and my wallpaper switching from the commandline doesn't work anymore. i used to use dcop but there is no more kdesktop for it to talk to. how can i switch desktops from the command line?
[09:50] <lordhelmet> rather desktop wallpapers
[09:50] <corigo> favro: I've got a nice T61 with 2G ram and dual core 64bit Intel.
[09:51] <corigo> And it's all useless if I can't connect to the network
[09:51] <asfak> i like my desktop widget locked. But whenever i restart the pc, they get unlocked.
[09:52] <favro> corigo: sorry but I know 4/5ths of bugger all about wireless - does the card show in lspci
[09:53] <corigo> The system sees and recognizes the card, just won't connect to wireless
[09:53] <jussi01> corigo: which card is it?
[09:54] <daddy_is_me> any idea how to configure the trackpoint of my toshibha ? i always geht unwanted chars while writing. this really sucks :( sometimes directly after boot into rl 1. sometimes keyboard-setup helps, but not withn kde in intrepid
[09:54] <corigo> Let's be clear. All of this was working absolutely fine 2 hours ago before the 8.10 II update
[09:55] <jussi01> corigo: I know, please tell me which wireless card.
[09:57] <lordhelmet> no way to change wallpaper from command line?
[09:57]  * daddy_is_me wants to configure the trackpoint of his toshiba in67zujhm intrepid
[09:57] <daddy_is_me> how can i do this ?
[09:58] <corigo> jussi01: anyway to get Kubuntu to tell me?
[09:58] <dr_willis> lordhelmet,  theres several wallpaper setting command line tools out...
[09:58] <dr_willis> esetroot is one.
[09:58] <dr_willis> kde4 may have its own
[10:00] <Dig> !au
[10:00] <obf213> is there a way to but apps like stick notes on a plasmoid layer
[10:00] <lordhelmet> dr_willis: i used dcop before and it worked great.
[10:00] <scarlet> is there a spanning burn app for linux?
[10:00] <obf213> so they only show up with the layer?
[10:01] <favro> corigo: lspci   will tell
[10:01] <gmt> has anyone gotten bluetooth working in the latest release?
[10:02] <jussi01> gmt: its broken, willl be fixed soon.
[10:03] <corigo> jussi01: Intel 4965 AG
[10:03] <gmt> jussi01: how do i install bluez-gnome?
[10:03] <jussi01> corigo: from the ubuntu release notes: The version of the iwlagn wireless driver for Intel 4965 wireless chipsets included in Linux kernel version 2.6.27 causes kernel panics when used with 802.11n or 802.11g networks. Users affected by this issue can install the linux-backports-modules-intrepid package, to install a newer version of this driver that corrects the bug
[10:03] <lifestream> Hi hi, I  was just trying to install Kubuntu, but on the Partitioning screen, it didn't list any disks at all. Is this a known problem? (I've been using Ubuntu for about  3 years, but anyway ^^; )
[10:04] <jussi01> corigo: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810
[10:05] <christian86> Morning, i got problems with intrepid and static ip configuration :(
[10:05] <obf213> hi im trying to get dual monitors working, theyre not right now, and I know why, I need to change the virtual size, can't find xorg.conf did they move it?
[10:06] <jussi01> christian86: know issue: KNetworkManager does not recognise static IP connections at this time. This issue only occurs for some, and not all. Bug 280762
[10:06] <Under_Wraps> Hi, I just tried to start my baby and it tells me "acpi: aborted because junk in compressed archive", "invalid compressed format (err=1)", "kernel panic - not syncing : VFS: unable to mount root FS on unknown-block". What can I do?
[10:07] <favro> christian86: want to set it up manually?
[10:07] <christian86> jussi01 but even when i open /network/interfaces and set iface eth0 inet static and then fill in adress netmask and gateway, my network is crashed
[10:08] <christian86> favro yes i want coz i've got router with ip forward
[10:08] <favro> christian86: I'll paste what I use - change the numbers accordingly
[10:09] <favro> one min
[10:10] <christian86> for sure i will adjust adresses ;)
[10:11] <favro> christian86: http://pastebin.com/m2c281701
[10:11] <christian86> favro kk ty, does network reload its config itself?
[10:12] <favro> christian86: no - after editing the file do   sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[10:12] <annma> JontheEchidna: ping
[10:13] <christian86> favro: ah but what you mean with "network 192.168.0.0" ??
[10:13] <Tm_T> hi annma
[10:13] <favro> obf213: it is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf - caps are important
[10:13] <annma> Tm_T: hi
[10:13] <annma> do you have the new KUbuntu and kdeedu Tm_T by any chance?
[10:14] <Tm_T> annma: I haven't compiled kdeedu yet
[10:14]  * Tm_T lives in trunk land
[10:14] <corigo> Ok, so how do I get them?
[10:14] <annma> compiled?
[10:14] <annma> ah no, I am interested in KUbuntu stuff Tm_T
[10:14] <annma> SSJ_GZ: you use KUbuntu?
[10:14] <favro> christian86: that is "the base" - the router (gateway) is 192.168.0.1 etc
[10:14] <Tm_T> annma: hmmm, I don't have them installed but I guess I can, how can I help?
[10:14]  * annma looks for a victim
[10:15] <SSJ_GZ> annma: yep
[10:15] <annma> I need someone to check KHangMan Tm_T
[10:15] <christian86> favro: ah ok, my router ip is 192.168.2.1 so network is 192.168.2.0 ?!
[10:15] <annma> KHangMan crashes
[10:15] <lordhelmet> bah apparently i can't set the wallpaper from the command line yet...
[10:15] <annma> I need to know if it has data with it
[10:15] <favro> christian86: I would think it would be yes
[10:15] <Tm_T> annma: roger, I'll see how it goes here
[10:16] <annma> I spoke to JontheEchidna about it a few weeks ago but it seems to have gone to void
[10:17] <christian86> favro: kk i will restart network, ty very MUCH!!! :)
[10:17] <favro> luck
[10:17] <annma> I need to blog about it
[10:17] <Tm_T> annma: ok, starting it
[10:18] <BleSS> my firefox shows ugly after to updating to 8.10
[10:19] <annma> Tm_T: you need only khangman and not kanagram
[10:20] <gmt> great, how about bluetooth pand
[10:20] <gmt> anybody?
[10:20] <jussi01> BleSS: install gtk-qt-engine
[10:21] <christian86> favro: network can't be resetted look what my konsole tells me: http://pastebin.com/d419fb143
[10:21] <BleSS> jussi01: it's already installed
[10:22] <jussi01> BleSS: system settings - appearance - gtk apps
[10:22] <BleSS> jussi01: yes, I had tested also that, in addition there is a part where it names to firefox but it isn't solved
[10:23] <jussi01> BleSS: you need to realise its a not a kde app, so there are elements that wont look the same/nice.
[10:24] <gmt> has pand been removed from the bluez stack?
[10:24] <Dragonath> hey, on ati cards is the mesa rendering basically the same thing I get when I use the open source ati driver?
[10:24] <BleSS> jussi01: yes, but there is *install scrollbar fix* to show correctly firefox that worked well on the anterior version but it doesn't works now :(
[10:24] <favro> christian86: can you paste /etc/network/interfaces?
[10:25] <Tm_T> annma: crash on start
[10:25] <annma> I talked to JontheEchidna weeks ago about it
[10:25] <annma> I spent hours on that, he wasted my time
[10:25] <annma> and now he did not fix it
[10:26] <annma> THANKS KUBUNTU
[10:26] <Noisek7> Kubuntu Splash screen fix?
[10:26] <Tm_T> annma: wanna crashtrace?
[10:26] <christian86> favro: kk done: http://pastebin.com/d31db8d41
[10:26] <favro> k
[10:26] <annma> no
[10:26] <Tm_T> roger
[10:26] <annma> this will go to blog
[10:27] <Tm_T> annma: #kubuntu-devel for developer stuff btw (:)
[10:27] <annma> what should I do with the users?
[10:27] <annma> reallyt
[10:27] <larsivi_> hi - with intrepid I don't discover any wireless networks - tried wicd in addition to knetworkmanager
[10:27] <Tm_T> annma: yeah, is this reported?
[10:27] <favro> christian86: there are two d's in address
[10:27] <larsivi_> (kubuntu intrepid is so far a horrible experience)
[10:28] <christian86> favro: narf im german and address is spelled with only one 'd' xD
[10:28] <annma> where
[10:28] <favro> hehe
[10:28] <annma> Tm_T: I talked to lengths to JontheEchidna
[10:28] <Tm_T> annma: in launchpad
[10:28] <annma> I can't do that myself
[10:28] <Tm_T> roger
[10:28] <annma> the devel issued a bug report to ME and I talked to him for hours
[10:28] <annma> I talked to Debian people
[10:28] <larsivi_> what may be wrong with my wireless?
[10:30] <annma> what should I do more if the devel is notified Tm_T
[10:30] <christian> favro very nice, ty for help, working now :)
[10:30] <obf213> hmm so why does my krunner not do calculations
[10:31] <favro> christian86: well done :)
[10:34] <corigo> What happened, where is the Adept manager for viewing all the different files?
[10:35] <corigo> all I see is the Application Installer
[10:36] <micha_> apt-get dist-upgrade 816 upgraded, 224 newly installed, 32 to remove and 1 not upgraded. is that save to do after editing the /etc/apt/sourceslist file
[10:37] <favro> micha_: you shouldn't have to edit the sources
[10:38] <micha_> well i did ... but it sounds like a lot of packages
[10:38] <larsivi_> just noting that upgrading did not work very well for me
[10:38] <larsivi_> the number of packages isn't a problem, but there certainly are quality problems
[10:38] <micha_> 737MB of archives
[10:39] <snikker> i can't set iso-8859-15 charset, i've tried with "sudo locale-gen MYLANG", but it doesn't work, can you help me?
[10:39] <micha_> so you say keep what you have or download the .iso and do a new install?
[10:40] <favro> micha_: you cold do   df -h   and add up the space used before upgrade
[10:40] <larsivi_> micha_: they claim it should work, so I dunno - if I had known this I had staid away from intrepid for a while
[10:41] <micha_> favro: it is not a question of space but of savety ... i would like to use the system after the dist-upgrade :)
[10:41] <favro> I always prefer a fresh install - but that's me
[10:41] <larsivi_> micha_: I upgraded yesterday, and I still can't call the system usable
[10:42] <micha_> ok good to know larsivi i don't like kde4 at that state anyway
[10:42] <larsivi_> micha_: doesn't look like kde4 issues really
[10:43] <micha_> well every half year new install ... that sounds more like xp :) favro
[10:43] <favro> micha_: 'cause it is there doesn't mean you have to use it...
[10:44] <favro> I still use some dapper
[10:44] <micha_> well thanks anyway ... i might have to use another distro if that stays that way
[10:44] <favro> micha_: most distos have regular releases
[10:45] <micha_> i use sidux on my privat box and that is a rolling relase ... and i love it
[10:46] <micha_> favro: you are right with kubuntu the best way is a fresh install ... but that is kind of sad
[10:46] <favro> micha_: so theoretically the rolling release scheme means you could be updating an app aday?
[10:46] <Tm_T> errr
[10:47] <micha_> don't get me wrong i love *buntu
[10:47] <Tm_T> micha_: favro: I basicly do fresh install
[10:47] <micha_> favro: yes sometimes twice a day ...
[10:47] <Tm_T> +never
[10:47] <corigo> how do I get the Linux Backports?
[10:47] <favro> hehe
[10:47] <corigo> for Intrepid?
[10:47] <favro> !backports
[10:48] <micha_> well thanks favro ... downloading the 8.10.iso now ...
[10:48] <favro> luck :)
[10:49] <micha_> well that should work :)
[10:49] <micha_> if that doesn't .... :(
[10:49] <favro> I use a separate home partition to save some config work with new installs
[10:51] <jazman> any good email clinet easy toset up ;ike outlook expres in intrepid
[10:51] <micha_> well this is my work box ... so if i like the live cd i might install ... if not ... well i can live with the 8.04 version ...
[10:52] <micha_> i use thunderbird or icedove jazman
[10:52] <jazman> i hace had  those but cant sent email so i use claws but that sucks
[10:52] <micha_> apt-cache search mail will give you a list of available packages jazman
[10:53] <robinr> hi. did anyone succeed in getting openvpn to start using the network applet?
[10:53] <micha_> jazman: than your set up is not right ... you should be able to send mail ... that is one of the main featchers of a mail client
[10:54] <jazman> iknow most shoulp be easy to set up but kmail i cant get to send but i can recieve using pop 3
[10:56] <micha_> well i had trouble with kmail as well and i like thunderbird better anyway
[10:57] <micha_> so got to go ... cu
[10:57] <jazman> cya
[10:57] <jazman> any one else got an idea with thunderbird i could not send mail
[10:58] <wael> hello
[10:58] <wael> i need help
[10:59] <larsivi_> heh - sending and receiving mails (using kmail) is one of the things that _do_ work :P
[10:59] <jazman> i can recieve but not send
[11:00] <jazman> even in win i cant send usiong thunderbird
[11:00] <larsivi_> have you created the necessary out profiles?
[11:01] <jazman> yep
[11:01] <jazman> alwys get erros that why i use claws as it works
[11:02] <robinr> jazman: what errors do you get?
[11:02] <jazman> cant rember now removed kmail
[11:02] <tarelerulz> This has been keeping for using konqueror .  Firefox has this feature of showing your downloads .  How do you tell konqueor to download the movie/video file and use totem to watch it ?
[11:03] <jazman> kong was ok with kde with kaffine
[11:05] <acer_> HI
[11:05] <wael> hi
[11:05] <jazman> intrepid is crap just installed thunderbird cant the start icon
[11:05] <jazman> time to go to gnome
[11:06] <wael> i need kde for ubuntu
[11:06] <ubuntu> [connected by a LiveCD] my account has expired, now i can't login...?
[11:06] <acer_> UBUNTU IS VERY FOND LINUX IN POLAND]
[11:06] <dr_willis> ubuntu Hih?
[11:06] <acer_> WITH KDE4
[11:06] <ubuntu> :( hi
[11:07] <zwd321081> ^_^
[11:07] <ubuntu> ?
[11:07]  * dr_willis points acer_  to his caps lock key
[11:07] <acer_> ok
[11:07] <zwd321081> I just installed kubuntu :)
[11:07] <ubuntu> hih?
[11:09] <favro> !ghost | ubuntu
[11:09] <dr_willis> Hmm..   anyone care to see if they can get to   http://www.xmms.org   ?
[11:09] <favro> it's loading
[11:10] <favro> slow net atm
[11:10] <Ahri> hi, is there any way to make kubuntu use shortname=mixed when mounting my vfat usb device?
[11:10] <ubuntu> freezes at loading screen... hey all, i just noticed this morning that my 6 month'd user account which was the only one has expired today? can't login in so i couldn't use CHAGE command to make t'things right or prolonged at least
[11:11] <favro> dr_willis: seems xxms.org might be down
[11:11] <victim[v]> jazman: I've just installed Thunderbird using Adept, I found a new Thunderbird icon in K / Applications / Internet / Mail client - it even has a pretty picture
[11:11] <ubuntu> any suggestions please
[11:11] <favro> or xmms even
[11:11] <dr_willis> favro,  ok.. i grabbed some source code from it earlier.. got it to compile.. but was going to check if it was the latest..
[11:11] <Ahri> i basically want a kubuntu solution for this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=291568
[11:12] <dr_willis> Ahri,  you could always mount the things manually
[11:12] <jazman> sorry not on intrepid
[11:13] <ubuntu> any pages for the situation?
[11:13] <jazman> mayhve go back to hardy
[11:13] <ubuntu> for the expired accounts
[11:13] <binMonkey> hi, guys.
[11:14] <binMonkey> after upgrade to hardy i am missing libgnutls.so.13.  streamtuner won't work.  i don't know if anything else is affected yet.  how do i fix it?
[11:15] <dr_willis> ubuntu expired accounts for what exactly?
[11:15] <Ahri> sorry i got d/c, did anyone have any pointers about my vfat question?
[11:15] <dr_willis> Ahri,  you could always mount the things manually
[11:16] <wers> how do I change the military time format on korganizer to 12 hr format?
[11:17] <russian> hello
[11:17] <russian> How do I trun joins and parts off in Konversation?
[11:17] <tarelerulz> When you tell konqueor to use vlc or some other player to play video . Where does it put the file .  it not in tmp
[11:17] <Ahri> dr_willis: i'm trying to convert my family over to using linux; mounting manually is not an option
[11:18] <dr_willis> You may tell us the reasons you are trying to mount things differently.
[11:18] <binMonkey> after upgrade to hardy i am missing libgnutls.so.13.  streamtuner won't work.  i don't know if anything else is affected yet.  how do i fix it?
[11:19] <Ahri> dr_willis: amarok uses the iPod db to look for files. this db contains valid listings such as XYZ.mp3. due to vfat's (bad) option of shortname=lower though, this file is represented as "xyz.mp3" so amarok can't find it
[11:20] <russian> How do you turn off joins and parts in konversation?
[11:20] <ubuntu> why can't i get answers? how many reasons there make me can not get the answers ?
[11:21] <Russian> me neither =/
[11:22] <ubuntu> ok i sse that i should check the forums first.. there was only one entry i could find and it wasn't replied there in ubuntu forums.
[11:22] <dr_willis> ubuntu you are not really clear on your questions.. and you may want to change nicks also...
[11:23] <ubuntu> alright thanks to hear that
[11:23] <reese> hi! is there a way to do a permanent sudo mount --bind ? or at least a way to run a sudo script at startup?
[11:25] <mick_2008> ok. i can't log in to my user account in Kubuntu Hardy cos i get that message "Your account has expired, plz contact your blah..."
[11:25] <mick_2008> and..
[11:25] <dr_willis> Ahri,  there might be some settings.changes you can do with the hal rules.. under gnome you can set properteries for devices to use different options.. but i dont know about kde4
[11:25] <favro> reese: /etc/fstab is for mounting at boot - is that what you're doing?
[11:25] <mick_2008> there was only one user which i can log in instead root
[11:26] <mick_2008> now how can' i fix the account expiring time without log in, or any other ways to be able to log in again...?
[11:26] <favro> mick_2008: there shouldn't be a time limit for a kubuntu user
[11:26] <dr_willis> mick_2008,   perhaps you shoudl boot to rescue/reovery mode and as root set the users password again?  theres some sort of auto-expire feature in the passwords/login stuff.. but i did not think it was enabled by default
[11:27] <favro> ohh
[11:27] <reese> favro, I'm binding two folders.. so I just write my sudo mount --bind dir1 dir2 command in /etc/fstab or is there a special syntax?
[11:27] <mick_2008> i enabled it. thank i didin know it was possible by Recov. Mode.
[11:28] <favro> reese: sorry - I don't know about that - was talking about partitions
[11:28] <dr_willis> Ahri,   this site mentions hal. and some options, but im not sure on how you change them  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=857374
[11:30] <tarelerulz> I have konqueror and I can't seem to make the find file work.   What can I do ? is that normal
[11:32] <reese> is it ok to insert my sudo script in /etc/rc.local ,in order to run it at startup?
[11:33] <corigo> Ok, I've installed the intrepid backport_modules, but Network Manager still crashes every time I try to configure the WEP. Where do I report !bugs?
[11:33] <dr_willis> reese,  thats one place to put commands...
[11:33] <corigo> !bug
[11:33] <dr_willis> reese,  no idea what the fstab entry for sich a command sould be.. it is NOT just the 'command' you used
[11:34] <reese> dr_willis, so I'll just put sudo mount --bind dir1 dir2 in /etc/rc.local , then, thanks. without the "sudo", right?
[11:36] <dr_willis> no need for sudo in rc.loca
[11:39] <Russian> so can anyone tell me how I trun off joins and parts messages in konversation?
[11:41] <Russian> nevermind =)
[11:42] <danish> hy allz
[11:42] <danish> like netstat
[11:42] <danish> prog in ubuntu
[11:42] <danish> is any
[11:43] <danish> hellllllllllllllo
[11:43] <danish> any 1 home
[11:43] <favro> netstat works in kubuntu
[11:44] <gilles_> hi . I don't see on kubuntu 8.04 the zone in adept to upgrade to 8.10
[11:45] <JohnFlux2> danish: welcome to the internet.  I hope you enjoy your stay.
[11:50] <gsa10132> Hmm.. Im trying to rip a record to mp3 with K3b.. but keep getting an error connected with lame.. "Command failed: lame -h --tt --ta --tl --ty 0 --tc - /home/joe/Temp/blablabla.mp3" anyone knows what's missing?
[11:52] <robinr> gsa10132: apt-get install lame
[11:52] <gsa10132> robinr: thanks, just did that 2 secs ago, hehe :)
[11:52] <gsa10132> will try it out now
[11:53] <gilles_> where is the config file for adept ?
[11:55] <gsa10132> now we are talking :) Thanks robinr
[11:58] <favro> gilles_: you need to select to upgrade to non lts - not using kde atm to check how
[11:59] <koperton> hi guys
[12:02] <ubuntu> hello
[12:02] <ilya> hello
[12:03] <ubuntu> i would know the syste; requirements for kubuntu please?
[12:03] <ilya> what kind of requirements?
[12:04] <ubuntu> h;;
[12:04] <favro> 256mb mem but more is better
[12:04] <Ahri> how would i do what's recommended in this thread, but for kubuntu? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=497121
[12:04] <ubuntu> for example the ram processor speed
[12:04] <ubuntu> my config is
[12:05] <ubuntu> 512MB Ram, 30GB HDD and AMD Sempron 1.8GHz
[12:06] <favro> should be fine
[12:06] <ubuntu> it is ok for kubuntu 8.10?
[12:06] <ilya> 384 RAM, 4GB Hard.
[12:06] <ubuntu> and i do not use compiz
[12:07] <ubuntu> my graphic card do not support it
[12:07] <ilya> I think it is enought
[12:07] <koperton> graphic card?
[12:07] <JohnFlux2> ubuntu: which card?
[12:07] <ubuntu> ilya what you config?
[12:07] <ubuntu> VIA Unichrome S3G
[12:07] <ilya> One time I install kubuntu on the machine with 256 MB RAM. And it worked.
[12:08] <ubuntu> it worked ok but it is not slow?
[12:08] <ilya> My config 2993 Pentium, 128MB Graphic, 1024MB RAM
[12:08] <ubuntu> ok
[12:09] <ubuntu> i hope my config is ok for kubuntu
[12:09] <ilya> i think so
[12:09] <koperton> ubuntu: hey i have found out a topic where they say your card can run compiz look at this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=467178
[12:09] <JohnFlux2> ubuntu: google suggests a few problems with that card for 2 years ago
[12:10] <JohnFlux2> ubuntu: dunno if it's okay now
[12:10] <JohnFlux2> koperton:  i was just looking at that
[12:10] <ubuntu> kubuntu 8.10 is so beautiful
[12:10] <JohnFlux2> koperton:  it's a year and half ago
[12:10] <ubuntu> really
[12:10] <koperton> JohnFlux2: it should work compiz is compiz
[12:10] <ilya> ubuntu, what OS do you use at this moment?
[12:11] <koperton> JohnFlux2: i *think*
[12:11] <ubuntu> kubuntu live-cd ^^
[12:11] <JohnFlux2> ubuntu: there's lots of 'secret
[12:12] <JohnFlux2> ubuntu: there's lots of 'secret' key combinations
[12:12] <JohnFlux2> ubuntu: like try  ctrl+F10
[12:12] <ubuntu> ctrl +F10 m nothing
[12:13] <JontheEchidna> https://launchpad.net/bugs/115048
[12:13] <Ahri> what's the equivalent of mediamanager in kde4?
[12:13] <JontheEchidna> oops
[12:14] <JontheEchidna> wrong chan
[12:14] <ubuntu> so not problem that i install kubuntu 8.10 on ;y pc
[12:15] <ubuntu> ok i go now install kubuntu 8.10 on my pc yeah
[12:15]  * koperton will stay with 8.04
[12:16] <sap> what is the commad to install kubuntu on top of ubuntu 8.10
[12:16] <dr_willis> !upgrade | sap
[12:16] <sap> its not an upgrade
[12:16] <dr_willis> :_ instll the kubntu-desktop package.. if you want kde
[12:16] <dr_willis> !kde
[12:17] <ubuntu> and
[12:17] <ubuntu> have you got kubuntu 8.10 m it is stablem not problemsM
[12:17] <ubuntu> ?
[12:18] <dr_willis> You may want to try to ask clearer questions.
[12:18] <dr_willis> 8.10 has been working very well for me.
[12:19] <ubuntu> ok
[12:20] <ubuntu> and how i install kubuntu 8.10 from live-cd ?
[12:20] <dr_willis> The kubuntu live cd.. installs kde as the default desktop
[12:22] <ubuntu> ah yes
[12:22] <ilya> dr_willis: i have one problem with the grub
[12:23] <sap> i cant install kubuntu-desktop it asks for language-selector-qt and that asks for language-selector-common 0.3.11 while 0.3.17 is installed what do  i do
[12:24] <sap> can i get language-selector-qt 0.3.17
[12:24] <robinr> how to I install "openssh-devel" or whatever it is called
[12:24] <dr_willis> sap,  i wold do a 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade' first. then try again
[12:24] <sap> hmm
[12:25] <ari_stress> robinr: search first: sudo apt-cache search openssh, then: sudo apt-get install the-pachage-name
[12:25] <ilya> every time i install windows it remove grub and i can't boot into kubuntu
[12:25] <dr_willis> ilya,  install indows first, then linux normally..
[12:25] <dr_willis> !fixgrub | ilya
[12:25] <dr_willis> ilya,  you will need to boot a live cd, and reinstal grub.
[12:26] <sharkk> hi i just installed kubuntu 8.10, there is a way to make folder view fullscreen?
[12:28] <ubuntu> kubuntu contain so many option, it's few difficult for beggin but it's so cool graphicly
[12:28] <robinr> ari_stress: ok, thanks
[12:28] <ilya> dr_willis: thanks
[12:28] <robinr> why don't I see those in adept?
[12:29] <dr_willis> theres been a few people in here saying not every package was showing in adept today...
[12:29] <dr_willis> try synaptic perhaps?
[12:29] <dr_willis> or just use the command line
[12:30] <ilya> ubuntu: yes it's the beautifulest
[12:30] <ubuntu> i'm
[12:30] <ubuntu> :D
[12:32] <robinr> dr_willis: yea, I'm playing stupid (partly) to figure out what it would be for a newbie
[12:32] <ubuntu> i hope again , kubuntu could not slow on my pc
[12:32] <robinr> (and partly because I am)
[12:32] <ilya> sharkk: where you got 8.10?
[12:34] <Dealer2mogette> I've installed ubuntu 8.10 on a macbook pro but i have some resolution problem ! is there people who can help me ?
[12:35] <koperton> Dealer2mogette: graphic card nvidia?
[12:35] <Dealer2mogette> yes
[12:35] <koperton> ah that is the problem i think you have to set better the driver
[12:36] <koperton> i know there is some problem with new kernel and nvidia cards
[12:36] <koperton> but you can fix easly
[12:36] <Dealer2mogette> how ?
[12:36] <koperton> i don't know how because i have an intel but i think you could find out on google on in our forum
[12:38] <ilya> Dealer2modette: i had so problem on a usual PC, but there was little thing in settings
[12:38] <sharkk> ilya: i just got it from the automatic update tool
[12:38] <DarkSmoke> guys
[12:39] <DarkSmoke> im tyring to compile wine
[12:39] <ilya> sharkk: and i'm waiting free cd... ((
[12:39] <DarkSmoke> but its continuing to telling me that i don't have freetype :/
[12:39] <Dealer2mogette> ilya: i can't do anything ! because on my screen i see 1% of the real screen !
[12:39] <ilya> DarkSmoke: install freetype
[12:39] <DarkSmoke> installed it
[12:39] <Dealer2mogette> the "start menu" can't be full displayed
[12:40] <DarkSmoke> both freetype and the devfiles
[12:40] <ilya> Dealer2mogette: bad
[12:40] <Dealer2mogette> it's horrible :(
[12:40] <dr_willis> Upgrde or clean install?
[12:41] <Dealer2mogette> dr_willis: who ?
[12:41] <ilya> DarkSmoke: what version of wine?
[12:41] <dr_willis> everyone. :) heh
[12:41] <victim[v]> Dealer2mogette: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3098672.0 second post may help you
[12:41] <koperton> Dealer2mogette: have you seen here http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810
[12:41] <Dealer2mogette> ok thanks !
[12:42] <koperton> better http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810#nVidia%20%22legacy%22%20video%20support
[12:42] <ilya> dr_willis: and you?
[12:42] <dr_willis> i am  one upgrade that worked, one that failed... and 2 clean installs that worked fine
[12:42] <dr_willis> for nvidia cards...
[12:43] <dr_willis> so  have 2 nvidia, and 1 fglrx system going right now
[12:44] <Greenery> why konqueror sometimes kept giving "Connection to Server Refused" error when opening website, or sometimes it loads a site but incomplete. I haven't receive that kind of error with Mozilla Firefox at all.
[12:44] <Dealer2mogette> victim[v]: how can i access to the console ? (i can't log me in gui) because of the resolution
[12:45] <Greenery> sometime, the error message is "Unknow Host"
[12:45] <ilya> Greenery: my konqueror doesn't work with "http:" at all  :(
[12:46] <victim[v]> Dealer2mogette: ctr alt F1
[12:46] <Greenery> ilya: really? so you can't surf at all with konqueror?
[12:46] <Dealer2mogette> thanks victim[v]
[12:46] <ilya> Greenery: really. I need to use firefox.
[12:46] <victim[v]> Dealer2mogette: you may need to login, you can return to the desktop with "alt F7"
[12:47] <Dealer2mogette> ok i will try !
[12:47] <Dragnslcr> Hm, maybe 8.10 is going to force me to stop using my Bluetooth keyboard and mouse
[12:48] <Greenery> ilya: hope someone can help to fix your problem, including mine. It's really annoying with the error message or incomplete website being loaded. I really love Konqueror
[12:48] <ilya> Greenery: it load site icon but print "Could not connect to host http://***********."
[12:49] <koperton> Greenery: omg another konqueror web browser user i thinked i was alone
[12:49]  * koperton loves konqui
[12:49] <ilya> Greenery: koperton: i love konqueror too it very comfortable and friendly
[12:50] <koperton> i have only a problem with mediafire.com
[12:50] <koperton> with konqueror i can't upload
[12:50] <tiklado> can i install stumble upon to konqueror?
[12:52] <DarkSmoke> ilya:  i had to make a folder to  link the 32bit libraries in that folder and compile wine against the because ubuntu fails to do something about that links which prevents wine from compiling on the 64bit kubuntu
[12:52] <DarkSmoke> for some reason Ubuntu 64 bit doesn't make .so links for the 32 bit libraries
[12:52] <DarkSmoke> nway , later, peace
[12:53] <ilya> DarkSmoke: great!
[12:54] <snikker> how can i set iso-8859 charset in dolphin, konqueror (used as file manager)?
[13:06] <enzo_> I just finished the upgrade to my desktop. For some reason, GRUB was not updated to show 8.10. It has 8.04, but not 8.10. Any way to remedy this?
[13:07] <ilya> enzo_: i have some interest, what the size of upgrade?
[13:07] <Roey> hi, I'm trying to get sound working here.  As soon as I upgraded to Ibex, it stopped.  I get this:  http://pastebin.com/m6401f287.  What's wrong here?
[13:08] <enzo_> ilya: What do you mean?
[13:09] <ilya> enzo_: sorry for bad grammar. I ask, how many megabytes i need to download to update?
[13:10] <enzo_> Honestly, nobody will know. It all depends on what you have installed. The updater will let you know how much you will need to download. Mine was actually close to 2GB.
[13:12] <ilya> thanks
[13:12] <enzo_> How do I change the driver for my nVidia card? It has the following failed message: "Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[13:12] <david_> please chat kubuntu in spanish?
[13:12] <enzo_> !es | david_
[13:13] <david_> thakyou
[13:13] <enzo_> Not a problem, david_
[13:13] <amews_aj> Anywhere I can read about why to upgrade to ibex?
[13:14] <Roey> Hey all, for some reason I'm not getting sound with 'aplay':  http://pastebin.com/m6cb219d1.  I think that KDE is grabbing the sound context actually.  Could it be?
[13:16] <ilya> david_: Por qué le desagrada Inglés canal?
[13:18] <jtisme> amews_aj, the release notes but offhand i dont know where they are
[13:19] <jtisme> amews_aj, also kde4 but it has a few problems at this time
[13:19] <amews_aj> jtisme: They don't really say anything about features. It says about installation issues and bugs etc.
[13:19] <amews_aj> jtisme: I like kde4, but now I mean in general (ubuntu too )
[13:19] <amews_aj> gnome
[13:20] <ilya> ubottu: For every language exists special channels, isn't it?
[13:20] <jtisme> amews_aj, ask about gnome on  #ubuntu
[13:20] <jussi01> ubottu: is a bot
[13:20] <jtisme> !es >ilya
[13:21] <ilya> jtisme: what it means?
[13:22] <jtisme> there is a spanish channel
[13:22] <jtisme> the bot should have told you where it is
[13:22] <jtisme> !es>jt66
[13:22] <jtisme> !es > jt
[13:23] <jtisme> pvt msg not working for me
[13:23] <Roey> Hello
[13:23] <Roey> Hey all, for some reason I'm not getting sound with 'aplay':  http://pastebin.com/m6cb219d1.  I think that KDE is grabbing the sound context actually.  Could it be?
[13:23] <Roey> I can play with 'dragon'
[13:23] <Roey> but not with anything else (mpg123, aplay, amarok1)
[13:24] <MunichMatt> hi all
[13:24] <jt66> !es > jt66
[13:24] <MunichMatt> I try to start java jar-files by simply clicking on them
[13:24] <MunichMatt> but when I do, only ark is started
[13:25] <tiklado> can i install stumble upon to konqueror?
[13:25] <MunichMatt> my system is: kde 3.5.9 on kubuntu 8.04
[13:25] <jt66> ilya  as i understand the bot he said spanish is on #ubuntu-es channel
[13:25] <draik> How do I change the icon to my K Menu?
[13:25] <draik> It's currently 2 left arrows
[13:25] <ilya> jt66: yes i understand the same
[13:26] <ilya> jt66: but i don't understand? why bot said it to me...
[13:27] <ilya> ubottu: you are not bot. you are pretend!
[13:27] <jt66> ilya because you asked a question using the bot's name and asked about language channels at least that is what i saw
[13:27] <dig> I just google translator & find out.........
[13:28] <jt66> good all kinds of answers about channel languages
[13:29] <markus__> Hi to everyone :)
[13:29] <ilya> markus__: Hi
[13:31] <markus__> I have a question. How can i configure "K" menu that it appears by clicking on right buttn of a mouse? (KDE 4.1.2)
[13:32] <ilya> markus__: change mouse settings to left hand :D
[13:32] <markus__> funny :)
[13:32] <markus__> I tryed it :)
[13:32] <ilya> markus__: and how?
[13:33] <markus__> I've tryed everything. It doesn't work. It was possible in kde 3.5... :(
[13:34] <ilya> markus__: why do you want to do this?
[13:34] <ruelle> how can i configure ip address, gateway... on kubuntu?
[13:35] <MunichMatt> how can i start jar-files by clicking on them instead of starting ark (kde 3.5.10)?
[13:35] <ilya> MunichMatt: associate it with your java-interpreter
[13:35] <markus__> i used to it :) It was very helpful
[13:36] <total> Why Dolphin 0.9.2 (Kubuntu 8.04) not create files in Home direcory?
[13:36] <total> How I can fix it?
[13:36] <MunichMatt> ilya: how exactly can i do it?
[13:37] <ilya> markus__: What do you thinking about editing sources of kde?
[13:37] <total> Русские здесь есть? )
[13:37] <bazhang> !ru | total
[13:38] <markus__> good idea, but i don't have time. It was possible, but now maybe i just can't fiend apropriate menus
[13:39] <ilya> MunichMatt: press "open with" and print "gij -jar"
[13:39] <ilya> total: нет
[13:40] <ilya> MunichMatt: or something else
[13:43] <draik> !medibuntu
[13:47] <vasilisa> i got a new version of kubuntu and i think my computer's too slow for kde4... any idea how to revert?
[13:47] <vasilisa> im having all sorts of glitches.
[13:47] <ilya> vasilisa: install kde 3.5
[13:47] <vasilisa> is it in the repos?
[13:48] <jussi01> no
[13:48] <vasilisa> drat
[13:48] <jussi01> !kde3
[13:48] <draik> How do I use the restricted nVidia driver?
[13:50] <javajeff> anyone ejoying kubuntu 8.10?
[13:50] <draik> javajeff: I am. I'm just getting things setup to my liking.
[13:50] <vasilisa> its soooo slow on my comp >.<
[13:50] <javajeff> there are a ton of complaints on the web
[13:50] <Roey> hey all, is there a flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound that works with ALSA instead of with OSS?
[13:51] <vasilisa> im getting moments of freezeups where i have to wait on processes.
[13:51] <vasilisa> and for some reason, code blocks isnt running programs. its compiling them, then immediately returning
[13:51]  * dr_willis waits for a kde4-lite :)
[13:51] <vasilisa> i have to get in a command line... :/
[13:52] <javajeff> does anyone know what the desktop widget does?  I closed it, and do not know how to get it back
[13:52] <ilya> anyone have MS Visual Studio for Linux?
[13:52] <dr_willis> that just showed the desktop folder and the icons that used tobe on the desktop
[13:52] <vasilisa> for linux?
[13:52] <vasilisa> i didnt know there was an MS Visual Studio for linux
[13:52] <x-X-x> i want to cut out a part of a .avi file what do i use? :P
[13:52] <javajeff> dr, so what is the point for it?  Mine was empty so I closed it
[13:53] <dr_willis> javajeff,  thats the whole point of it.. to let you get to your 'desktop' icons/director
[13:53] <vasilisa> MS generally doesn't like us :)
[13:53] <berkes> in kde3 I had "mac os menu bar" enabled. Result is that after recent up to 8.10 with KDE 4 my menu's are all gone.
[13:53] <berkes> worst is, that the option to /disable/ the macmenu bar is also gone.
[13:53] <berkes> any hints on what rc-file I need to remove or edit to get the default back?
[13:54] <ilya> vasilisa: :)
[13:54] <berkes> btw: this is how it worked in 8.4 and before: http://fosswire.com/2008/03/19/have-a-global-menu-bar-at-the-top-in-kde/
[13:55] <millun> hi. i've installed postgis package but i am missing some files i need to insert into the db
[13:55] <Roey> hey all, is there a flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound that works with ALSA instead of with OSS?
[13:56] <Dragnslcr> berkes- you can move panels in KDE4 to any edge of the screen you want
[13:56] <draik> vasilisa: My laptop is 8 years old with 600MHz processor and 256MB of RAM. I get minor delays with KDE4
[13:57] <berkes> Dragnslcr: problem: this is no longer a panel in kde4
[13:57] <Dragnslcr> Can't help ya there
[13:57] <berkes> Dragnslcr: or else I misunderstand you.
[13:57] <vasilisa> draik: im getting noticable delays
[13:57] <JackWinter_> short q.  kubuntu 8.10 has been released right ?  it's only the alternate cd which is still rc ?
[13:57] <ilya> draik: how do you use heavy applications?
[13:57] <javajeff> can someone tell me how to get the desktop widget back?
[13:58] <draik> ilya: Can you please clarify your inquiry?
[13:58] <Dragnslcr> berkes- if you're just looking to move the panel from the bottom of the screen to the top, you can do that with normal KDE4 panels
[13:58] <draik> javajeff: click on the windget at the top right corner, add widget.
[13:58] <Dragnslcr> javajeff- right click the desktop and go to Add Widgets
[13:59] <berkes> Dragnslcr: no, that is not what I am looking for. in kde3 you could move your *app menu* to the top. The bar in e.g. konversation, kword etc that says "file" "edit" and so on.
[13:59] <draik> javajeff: That was supposed to be widget, not windget
[13:59] <berkes> They are all gone here, now.
[13:59] <berkes> quite annoying, that is.
[14:00] <Dragnslcr> berkes- not a clue, sorry
[14:00] <berkes> the funny thing, is that the bar sits at the top, its just invisble. [alt][f] and so open the menus'
[14:00] <scribbles> what does it mean by Meta+Ctrl+S
[14:00] <Dragnslcr> Personally, I hate having the menu bar at the top of the screen instead of with the window, but that's just my opinion
[14:01] <Dragnslcr> scribbles- the meta key is either Alt or the Windows key. I can never remember which
[14:01] <berkes> Dragnslcr: on a dual-headed system, it is really nice to have one place whre your menu-bar lives. MacOs has it, and it works rather well.
[14:02] <berkes> what .rc file under .kde handles the overall desktop behaviour?
[14:02] <LongbowSir> Question...I downloaded kvirc and it installed ...I think but I can't find it wnywhere
[14:02] <dr_willis> i always have my apps fullscreend.. so they are always at the top anyway
[14:03] <berkes> LongbowSir: try 'sudo dpkg -L kvirc' it will list all the files that the package kvirc contains
[14:03] <JackWinter_> short q.  kubuntu 8.10 has been released right ?
[14:04] <berkes> dr_willis: thats the thing, I never work fullscreene. My desktop is waaay too large for that :)
[14:04] <JackWinter_> no longer beta or rc ?
[14:04] <berkes> but right now I don't really care where the bar is, as long as it is available :)
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> JackWinter_: yes, it has been released
[14:05] <javajeff> why doesnt 8.10 come with a newer version of Openoffice.org?
[14:06] <berkes> javajeff: OO was released too late
[14:07] <draik> So many things in 8.10 that I like. The main one being that I can use Firefox again.
[14:07] <draik> No offense to Opera, but it never did it for me
[14:07] <javajeff> Firefox should be the default browser.  There is no reason to segment the market
[14:09] <Dragnslcr> Since apparently my Bluetooth keyboard/mouse combo won't work in 8.10, anyone have any suggestions for replacements?
[14:09] <Dragnslcr> Logitech MX3200 looks good (I have an MX5000 now), but there seem to be a lot of messages on the forums about problems with them
[14:09] <berkes> draik: and konq really seems to have improved again.... :)
[14:09] <draik> berkes: Yes, I agree. Too bad it isn't default and I have to get rid of dolphin.
[14:10] <draik> Is there a way to change the File Manager option to Konqueror instead of Dolphin from the K Menu?
[14:10] <draik> That's another thing. The new K Menu is great. A bit more organized for me
[14:11] <Dragnslcr> You mean the new Windows-style monstrosity?
[14:11] <berkes> draik: not default??
[14:11] <berkes> afaiks konq is the default webbrwoser in kubuntu.
[14:12] <Dragnslcr> It is, but not the default file manager
[14:12] <Dragnslcr> I like Dolphin better anyway
[14:12] <berkes> sure, I don know. I loooove dolphin.
[14:12] <Leander> hello
[14:12] <dr_willis> I hate doplhin.
[14:12] <dr_willis> :)
[14:13] <Leander> does anyone have problems to connect a cellphone on usb cable with kubuntu 8.10?
[14:13] <draik> berkes: Not the default web or file browser
[14:15] <berkes> draik: ah, weird. here is is. maybe legacy.
[14:15] <Leander> when i plug my sony ericsson, it doesn't appear in the list of devices of lsusb :/
[14:15] <draik> How do I get the media buttons to work? Previous track, next track, play/pause and stop do not work.
[14:22] <javajeff> does anyone know how to move a panel (8.10) from top to bottom?
[14:29] <LongbowSir> K
[14:31] <enzo_> !nvidia
[14:33] <ubuntu-dron> good afternoon
[14:35] <enzo_> Is there a way to make the computer not use the nVidia driver that it cannot use?
[14:35] <ubuntu-dron> Whe Openoffice.org is launched, the panel begins to flkicker, so does the whole desktop. Any workaround for this?
[14:35] <snikker> hi, i've updatd to 8.10 and now i can read the name of files that contain iso8859-15 chars, can you help me please?
[14:35] <snikker> *i can't read
[14:36] <burn_> how to set up new drivers, there is no driver menager or somenthing in kde settings, using kubuntu 8.10 and kde 4.1
[14:36] <victim[v]> ubuntu-dron: are you using an Nvidia card? See http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157017
[14:37] <nycz> when i try to use /dev/dsp it gives me a resource busy-error, though if i check with fuser it seems no processes has /dev/dsp open... why is that?
[14:38] <victim[v]> ubuntu-dron: The work around is to remove the Nvidia proprietary driver
[14:39] <victim[v]> burn_: see the first reply reply here http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3098672.0 it may help you
[14:39] <javajeff> what is plasma dashboard?
[14:39] <K_Dallas> Hi guys! Q: Running 8.10 in Toshiba Satellite A200, it used to have 8.04.1 running flawlessly. Now with this fresh install along my old XP, I have come to big trouble: From time to time, the caps lock key starts blinking (is it kernel panic?) and nothing works but a physical reboot. Could it be due to overheating (I coulpdnt get lm-server to show me anything but the underneat gets pretty hot). Thanks for any help
[14:40] <enzo_> Error: Cannot start kmserver. Would this stop me from being able to get into my desktop?
[14:40] <victim[v]> burn_: there is a Hardware Drivers in K / Application / System
[14:41] <rehman> hi
[14:41] <burn_> victim[v] yup, and i clicked activate and instaled ati catalist drivers and ati radeon drivers but not working, no opengl supprod and 3D, ond kubutnu 8.04 worked fin
[14:41] <rehman> any one kan help me upgrading RH9 kernel.
[14:43] <snikker> no one?
[14:45]  * Mekzholan has switched to 8.10 - which looks mostly great (although the uprgade itself was very painfull)
[14:45] <victim[v]> burn_: the only ATI I have used is an 9550 on Gutsy, the drivers install fine with Envy. Is there an ati-config utility? maybe running it with "kdesu ati-config"
[14:46] <enzo_> victim[v]: I was following the suggested procedure for installing the nVidia driver, but I have this error when choosing the driver:  "Error: EnvyNG has detected that the headers for your kernel are missing and cannot be installed"
[14:46] <Mekzholan> When I change the active screen, the windows are black and are getting filled. This looks really bad - is there a way to avoid this behaviour?
[14:47] <victim[v]> enzo_: that sounds painful ;)
[14:47] <enzo_> victim[v]: What headers need to be installed?
[14:47] <victim[v]> enzo_: idk
[14:47] <enzo_> victim[v]: Is there a way to find out?
[14:47] <Mekzholan> And sometimes a new window startes with garbage content and then switches to white to get faded in with the real content (esp. the K_menu)
[14:48] <Mekzholan> is there a way around that as well?
[14:48] <victim[v]> enzo_: find out what kernel you have and then look in Adept for headers with the same number
[14:48]  * Mekzholan is using an ATI card with the "ati" driver, if that matters...
[14:48] <enzo_> victim[v]: I don't have a GUI. I'm stuck with CLI for now.
[14:49] <victim[v]> enzo_: you could do some 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-headers' magic, but I don't know
[14:49] <snikker> * snikker is using an nVidia card with the "nvidia" driver, if that matters...
[14:50] <burn_> victim[v] i downloaded drivers form ati website, but there is no suppeort for 8.10 interpid ibex, should i w8t some time and download new ones?
[14:50] <javajeff> I lost my virtual desktop manager on the panel.  Does anyone know the widget name?
[14:50] <victim[v]> enzo_: uname -r tells you your kernel
[14:50] <enzo_> victim[v]: 2.6.24-21-generic
[14:51] <burn_> 2.6.27-7 generic :D
[14:51] <enzo_> I take it that it wasn't updated
[14:51] <victim[v]> enzo_: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.24-21  might work??
[14:52] <victim[v]> enzo_: even better   sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[14:52] <enzo_> victim[v]: It has no install candidate
[14:53] <enzo_> That doesn't work. Oddly enough, it doesn't sync with that. It wants to find the package   linux-headers-'uname -r'
[14:53] <vasilisa> anyone know why my keyboard shortcuts dont do anything in kde4?
[14:53] <nycz> my sound isn't working at all in my kubuntu 8.10... i've tried a lot of things but no luck so far... any ideas?
[14:54] <L337stema> hi all
[14:54] <burn_> nycz alsaconfig in konsole?
[14:54] <enzo_> How do I update the installed kernel?
[14:55] <nycz> burn_: yup, everything is at maximum
[14:56] <victim[v]> enzo_: you've reached the limit of my knowledge, sorry.
[14:56] <enzo_> victim[v]: Ok. Thanks for the help.
[14:56] <enzo_> It just seems that I have the kernel installed, but it is not being used.
[14:57] <javajeff> I lost the switch desktop tool.  how do I get it back?
[14:57] <nycz> the sound worked yesterday for me, but after a reboot this morning, it's all quiet :/
[14:57] <vasilisa> anyone know why my resolution keeps changing back every time i restart Xserver?
[14:57] <enzo_> victim[v]: I just did "sudo startx" and I am now into my GUI. Would you know how to do it from here?
[14:58] <victim[v]> burn_: I read somewhere that the current ATI drivers are currently not supported in 8.10, ATI will be releasing an updated version soon.
[14:58] <victim[v]> enzo_: look in Adept for the headers with a similar number to your kernel
[14:59] <burn_> thnx victim[v] for help
[14:59] <condon> how do I figure out my password for su?
[14:59] <javajeff>  How do I get the switch desktop tool back?
[14:59] <vasilisa> condon: ....
[15:00] <burn_> condon pasword for su od sudo or gksu is the root password
[15:00] <burn_> and u typed in when u install kubunto or ubuntu
[15:00] <condon> ...then how do I figure out the root password.
[15:00] <condon> That''s not working
[15:00] <condon> just says su: Authentication failure
[15:00] <javajeff> read about sudo...it will explain everything
[15:01] <burn_> are u using the right password?
[15:01] <condon> bash: cd: plasma-weatherforecast-0.2: Permission denied
[15:01] <condon> I'm getting this message each time I try to get to a directory I just created
[15:01] <BentJ> After upgrading to Kubuntu (intrepid) my firefox freeze when running a page with java-applets - I have tried to create a new user - but the problem persist... Anyone else who have that problem-or know how to fix it?
[15:01] <condon> sudo cd plasma..... doesn't work
[15:02] <burn_> hmmm
[15:02] <condon> only password I utilize on this box
[15:03] <Dragnslcr> burn_- you don't use the root password for sudo, you use the user's password
[15:03] <condon> last time I ran ubuntu and ran into this problem someone gave me some script that set the root password...but I can't find the disk I had all my notes from that distro burned on
[15:03] <Dragnslcr> condon- who owns the directory you're trying to get to?
[15:05] <condon> I've got one user on the system - I'm in home/user now, untared into the plasma-weatherforecast-0.2 (had to sudo tar... to get it to work)
[15:06] <Dragnslcr> If you used sudo to untar the file, the directory is probably owned by root
[15:07] <Dragnslcr> ls -al will tell you for sure
[15:07] <waylandbill_> Hello. I have a cpio file that I want to unpack but the contents have absolute paths from / and I don't want to overwrite my system files. Can cpio be told to extract somewhere besides the absolute paths?
[15:07] <jonathan__> hello!
[15:07] <jonathan__> I've a question!
[15:07] <jonathan__> i installed the fglrx driver via the restricted drivers manager.
[15:07] <jonathan__> so i'M using compiz with aiglx
[15:08] <jonathan__> now i want to try glx instead of aiglx.
[15:08] <jonathan__> how can i change that?
[15:08] <torp> hi all
[15:09] <condon> Dragnslcr...if it's owned by root...how do I get into the file if I can't find my root password?
[15:09] <enzo_> I am not seeing the linux-headers for my kernel
[15:09] <enzo_> 2.6.24-21-generic
[15:09] <Dragnslcr> condon- by using sudo
[15:10] <Dragnslcr> condon- you can use sudo chown to make your normal user the owner
[15:12] <condon> so "sudo chown plasma-weatherforecast-0.2"?
[15:12] <condon> is that the proper syntax?
[15:13] <enzo_> condon: sudo chown (username) (filename)
[15:14] <Dragnslcr> Probably need to use chown -R to change all the files in the directory as well
[15:16] <enzo_> How do I make my desktop use the latest kernel? They are installed, but not being used.
[15:20] <dustrial> enzo_:  i guess this is job of your bootmanager (grub?)
[15:20] <enzo_> dustrial: I tried reinstalling GRUB. It didn't make a difference
[15:21] <dustrial> m well you can set the kernel option yourself?
[15:21] <dustrial> press "e" in grub to edit lines
[15:21] <magarelli> salve, come si visualizzano le periferiche esterne (usb) in kubuntu intrepid?
[15:22] <dustrial> you change 'root' to the correct part of the hardisc (partition) with TAB you have complition to search for stuff
[15:22] <dustrial> same should then work with kernel option
[15:23] <torp74> list -min 25 sex
[15:25] <enzo_> dustrial: Let me reboot now and see what happens
[15:29] <ilya> !пизда
[15:30] <javier> Hola a todos
[15:30] <javier> m recibis bien?
[15:30] <koperton> hola
[15:30] <zelda_> Hi, the livecd on startx doesn't work, any here hade the same problem?
[15:30] <koperton> !english
[15:31] <pietje_phuck> zelda_: it works for me, but I get a blank/black screen for a second every few seconds
[15:32] <zelda_> pink and blacks rows :)
[15:36] <zelda_> perhaps because the composite by default on
[15:36] <enzo_> How do I use Vesa drivers instead of nVidia for the time being.
[15:37] <proteusguy> I've got my 8.10 CDROM. How do I use it to upgrade my existing 8.05 install? Doesn't seem to offer than option when I boot from it.
[15:38] <pietje_phuck> zelda_: I am downloading ubuntu now, see if it is just kubuntu
[15:38] <pietje_phuck> proteusguy: There is a howto on the website
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> proteusguy: do you have the alternate cd?
[15:39] <mrunagi> does upgrading automatically install kde 4?
[15:39] <proteusguy> No I have a CD burned from the main Kubuntu iso.
[15:39] <trappist> does anybody have kontact working with imap in intrepid?  I can read but not write, and it worked in gutsy and hardy.
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> proteusguy: you can only do a cd upgrade from the alternate cd
[15:39] <Tm_T> mrunagi: to Ibex? yes
[15:40] <Tm_T> trappist: all works here, but I don't use packaged version
[15:40] <trappist> Tm_T: that's interesting information.  I was just considering rebuilding some packages without the patches, and see what happens
[15:41] <proteusguy> oh well - might as well upgrade over the internet then... main cd should definitely come with an upgrade option... alas.
[15:41] <Tm_T> trappist: well I'm developer with svn trunk...
[15:41] <trappist> Tm_T: I wonder if you could help me debug this, then
[15:41] <zelda_> mm1, I have restart X server on livecd now work
[15:41] <trappist> I'm pretty clumsy with gdb
[15:41] <Tm_T> trappist: prolly not
[15:41] <trappist> haven't gotten anything out of it
[15:41] <trappist> strace too
[15:42] <trappist> nothing interesting in the (verbose) ldap logs
[15:42] <trappist> Tm_T: you're running kde's svn trunk, or kubuntu's?
[15:42] <mrunagi> omg this is annoying..........'error committing changes possibly there was a problem downloading packages or committing changes would break packages' what does that mean??
[15:43] <Tm_T> trappist: there's only one svn trunk, kde
[15:43] <trappist> gotcha
[15:44] <hazzy> trappist: Kontact works for me now...just started
[15:44] <mrunagi> any ideas?
[15:44] <trappist> hazzy: wth, out of nowhere?
[15:44] <hazzy> Yes
[15:45] <trappist> Tm_T: can you confirm that this should not segfault?  kioslave /usr/lib/kde4/kio_ldap.so ldap /tmp/1 /tmp/2
[15:45] <trappist> hazzy: did you, like, reboot or anything?
[15:45] <Tm_T> trappist: no idea, I don't use ldap
[15:45] <hazzy> I did reboot, but that's all
[15:45] <trappist> Tm_T: thought that was what I asked at the beginning... guess I'll quit buggin ya
[15:45] <trappist> hazzy: well ima try that then
[15:45] <trappist> it'll make my day if it starts working
[15:46] <hazzy> Ok
[15:46]  * trappist &
[15:46] <mrunagi> anyone have trouble installing ibex with a committ error?
[15:46] <Tm_T> trappist: imap != ldap
[15:46] <thethirdmoose> How do I upgrade my KDE in intrepid to KDE4? kded --version gives 3.5.10
[15:47] <akash> I am having problem with Qt in Kubuntu 7.10
[15:47] <akash> PLease help
[15:48] <victim[v]> thethirdmoose: how did you install 8.10?
[15:49] <akash> I am getting foll error :configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (library qt-mt) not found.
[15:49] <mrunagi> " there was an error committing changes possibly there was a problem downloading or committing would break packages" when upgrading?
[15:50] <Korlis> Hello all.
[15:51] <enzo_> Why is it that I can't do "startx" but sudo can?
[15:51] <enzo_> If I do it, it doesn't load the GUI
[15:51] <enzo_> When I do it with sudo, it goes right on through
[15:51] <Tm_T> enzo_: prolly because you have used sudo once
[15:52] <akash> Shall anyone tries to help me  :'(
[15:52] <Korlis> or the xserver needs root privileges
[15:52] <Tm_T> !patience | akash
[15:52] <Korlis> what do you need help with akash
[15:52] <Tm_T> Korlis: not that simple
[15:55] <enzo_> Tm_T: What do you mean by "have used sudo once"?
[15:56] <Tm_T> enzo_: IF you run graphical applications with sudo, you have a chance that you end up having broken rights in your files -> might have issues with graphical stuff
[15:56] <enzo_> Tm_T: But this has been since the upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10
[15:56] <Tm_T> hmmm
[15:57] <Tm_T> enzo_: then try with new user, totally new one
[15:57] <Tm_T> enzo_: also check all error messages
[15:59] <enzo_> Tm_T: There aren't any error messages. I get to a CLI (CTRL+ALT+F1) and I "startx" as my regular user. It gets up to the 3 of 5 loading icons. I went back to the CLI, and it holds on the loading of xorg.conf. No errors, just says that it's going by defaults.
[16:00] <Tycho> Hi. Does anyone know where multimedia key events (volume keys etc) are defined? My keys work, but some of them aren't doing what they should be doing
[16:01] <Tm_T> enzo_: see session errors too
[16:02] <enzo_> Tm_T: AFAIK, there aren't any sessions since I am not in a session. How do I check?
[16:03] <condon> where do I go to disable nautilus painting the desktop?
[16:03] <Tm_T> enzo_: ~/.xsession-errors ?
[16:03] <hamiii_> Just upgraded to 8.10. get dependency problem "atd, action start failed." So I tried /etc/init.d/atd start. Acts like it works but "atd status" says not running. Looking at /var/log/syslog I see permission denied for /var/spol/cron/atjobs which is usr bin group bin. Suggestions?
[16:03] <beta-guy> how do I change the time on Ubuntu?
[16:05] <hazzy> Ubuntu, or Kubuntu?
[16:05] <beta-guy> Kubuntu
[16:05] <OxDeadC0de1> Both
[16:06] <hazzy> Go to terminal type "systemsettings"
[16:06] <hazzy> And go to the bottom where is says "Date & Time"
[16:07] <draik> Tm_T: http://paste.ubuntu.com/66295/
[16:07] <Tm_T> draik: for me? oo how sweet
[16:07] <beta-guy> hazzy: thanks I'm trying to learn Linux as well as I know Windows :)
[16:07] <Korlis> ok, i got a question, I already use KDE4.1.2 on Hardy Heron, is there any reason for me to upgrade to Intrepid Ibex?
[16:08] <draik> Tm_T: :)
[16:08] <Tm_T> draik: yup, permission issue
[16:08] <hazzy> beta-guy: No problem, I'm still trying to learn Linux as well
[16:08] <OxDeadC0de1> Korlis: Yes, II just rules? :P
[16:08] <draik> Tm_T: How can I fix this?
[16:08] <beta-guy> Korlis: yes newer bigger better kernel!
[16:08] <Tm_T> !sudo | draik
[16:08] <Tm_T> hmm
[16:08] <Korlis> What kernel version does ibex use?
[16:09] <OxDeadC0de1> how can I set the default digital clock plasmoid in II to regular time instead of international/military time?
[16:09] <beta-guy> 2.6.27-7-generic
[16:09] <OxDeadC0de1> 2.6.27-7 atm
[16:09] <Korlis> is it stable?
[16:09] <Tm_T> draik: sudo chown draik:draik -R /home/draik/.kde*
[16:09] <OxDeadC0de1> yea
[16:10] <OxDeadC0de1>  09:10:12 up 2 days,  5:31,  2 users,  load average: 0.90, 0.70, 0.48
[16:10] <Korlis> will upgrading automatically replace my amarok? I hate amarok for kde4
[16:10] <Tm_T> Korlis: no, Intrepid uses "old" Amarok IIRC
[16:11] <Korlis> thanks
[16:11] <draik> I'm using Amarok on KDE4 and I like it :)
[16:11] <OxDeadC0de1> don't know, probably, but I hate amarok all together.. I still use rhythmbox because it has way better ssh support
[16:11] <OxDeadC0de1> even though rhythmbox has that 100% cpu on pause bug
[16:11] <draik> Tm_T: Thanks. I will reboot now and hope it all works out.
[16:11] <beta-guy> 09:10:43 up 1 day, 21:31,  1 user,  load average: 2.14, 2.55, 2.74
[16:11] <Korlis> well, i normally use mpd
[16:11] <Korlis> but when i want a quick tune amarok is just easier to use
[16:12] <OxDeadC0de1> the easiest really is the hover your mouse over icon that gnome has :P, but eh, this ain't gnome
[16:12] <ardchoille> Korlis: you'll probably see more changes by 9.04 as more apps get ported to kde4
[16:12] <Korlis> my main thing with amarok for kde4 was it wouldn't play my cd's
[16:12] <OxDeadC0de1> i was hardcore gnome until intrepid ibex, before that kde was just crap in my personal opinion (obviously since I'm saying it), but now I won't switch back to gnome
[16:13] <Korlis> i love kde4 as a DE
[16:13] <beta-guy> when 9.04 gets released how do I upgrade? can I just run Adept?
[16:13] <OxDeadC0de1> dunno, I've been upgrading from 7.04 via update-manager -d
[16:13] <hazzy> sudo apt-get upgrade, I think
[16:13] <beta-guy> ok
[16:14] <beta-guy> it'll be easier than downloading a new ISO and installing that way :p
[16:14] <Korlis> I'm going to upgrade right now then
[16:14] <OxDeadC0de1> but even tho I'm already running II I ordered the 8.10 kubuntu cd ;)
[16:14] <OxDeadC0de1> <3 kubuntu
[16:14] <Tm_T> OxDeadC0de1: II ?
[16:14] <enzo_> Tm_T: cross your fingers...
[16:14] <OxDeadC0de1> intrepid ibex
[16:14] <Tm_T> enzo_: I wont
[16:14] <Korlis> I think im gonna order a free cd just to give to friends
[16:15] <Tm_T> OxDeadC0de1: bah, how obscure
[16:15] <beta-guy> I <3 II
[16:15] <OxDeadC0de1> tm_t eh :P,I'm an obscure guy?
[16:15] <Korlis> i'll be back when it restarts me
[16:15] <OxDeadC0de1> good luck korlis
[16:16] <enzo_> Tm_T: You cursed it. :(
[16:16] <OxDeadC0de1> doh!
[16:16] <Korlis> ty ox
[16:16] <Tm_T> enzo_: yes I did (;)
[16:16] <Korlis> its only on step 2 right now though
[16:16] <OxDeadC0de1> so, does anyone here use splashy instead of usplash in 8.10?
[16:17] <Korlis> i downloaded splashy but i didnt like it
[16:17] <OxDeadC0de1> I love the fingerprint theme
[16:17] <OxDeadC0de1> only problem is after upgrading to 8.10 the progress bar stopped moving :/
[16:17] <Korlis> telling me it's gonna take about an hour to get all the new packages
[16:17] <luite> I installed intrepid a few days ago, but now I cannot login anymore. after the kdm login, the loading window pops up, but after a while the screen starts blinking, and the desktop never really loads
[16:17] <luite> what should I do?
[16:18] <OxDeadC0de1> luite: I'd go into a console after kdm starts, (control alt f1), log in
[16:18] <OxDeadC0de1> them rename or delete my old .kde folders
[16:18] <hazzy> Yea
[16:18] <hazzy> I was about to suggest that
[16:18] <luite> OxDeadC0de1: I already did that, and started an ssh connection to my irc ;)
[16:18] <luite> ok, will try that
[16:18] <enzo_> I think I will just "sudo chmod -777" my entire system. That should stop the issue.
[16:18] <Korlis> lol
[16:19] <hazzy> No
[16:19] <hazzy> Don't
[16:19] <beta-guy> I just found out what usplash is... why does it exist? I remember playing with the older distros and thinking the text on bootup was cool
[16:19] <rien> hi everyone, i've got a problem with kubuntu 8.10 and dvb-t
[16:19] <hazzy> chmod 777 is insecure
[16:19] <beta-guy> usplash/splashy are just trying to turn Linux into Windows
[16:19] <OxDeadC0de1> beta-guy apparently splasy can give you cool bootup pictures and display the text at the same time
[16:20] <Korlis> like on knoppix
[16:20] <OxDeadC0de1> kind of like the old bootsplash image of just the penguin at the top
[16:20] <rien> im trying to use my pinnacle dvb-t stick solo with kubuntu, but it doesnt work - can anyone help me?
[16:20] <beta-guy> OxDeadX0de1: cool
[16:20] <hazzy> rien: Do you get any errors? What are they? What happens otherwise?
[16:20] <hamiii_> Just upgraded to 8.10. get dependency problem "atd, action start failed." So I tried /etc/init.d/atd start. Acts like it works but "atd status" says not running. Looking at /var/log/syslog I see permission denied for /var/spol/cron/atjobs which is usr bin group bin. Suggestions?
[16:20] <Tm_T> axel_foley: are we rooted now?
[16:21] <denis_> Bonjour !
[16:21] <axel_foley> :-D
[16:21] <axel_foley> virualbox
[16:21] <rien> well i installed the drivers according to the guide at http://quarkmitsauce.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/pinnacle-pctv-dvb-t-stick-72e-with-ubuntu-710/
[16:21] <rien> and the stick seems to be recognised alright, but no mediaplayer works with it
[16:21] <denis_> hi !
[16:22] <rien> all the programs say they cant find the hardware
[16:22] <denis_> somebody could help me please ?
[16:22] <brewmaster> hey all, let's say i have two folders, 'a' and 'b', and i want all files in those folders to show up in folder 'c'--is there a way to do this?
[16:22] <OxDeadC0de1> rien look at dmesg and /var/log/syslog see if there's anything about it there
[16:22] <OxDeadC0de1> denis_ don't ask to ask, just ask
[16:22] <denis_> okay
[16:22] <trappist> hazzy: reboot didn't help here :/
[16:22] <rien> alright, hold on
[16:22] <OxDeadC0de1> brewmaster: lots of ln -s ?
[16:22] <hazzy> trappist: Ah, this is interesting
[16:23] <trappist> in fact, rebooting *sucked* - my panel settings are lost
[16:23] <denis_> I don't know how to install my second HDD, and i'm a newbie with kubuntu, somebody can telle me how could I install it ?
[16:23] <brewmaster> OxDeadC0de1: nod, there's no way to sort of 'merge' two folders without manually entering symbolic links?
[16:23] <OxDeadC0de1> denis_ plug it in, partition it, format the partition, set it up in /fstab to mount it to wherever
[16:24] <Guest19464> ciao
[16:24] <trappist> hazzy: I'd find it more interesting if it worked :)
[16:24] <denis_> I don't want to format it, there is already files on it
[16:24] <OxDeadC0de1> brewmaster: you can probably make a bash script to do ls folder then create a symbolic link on every item ls returns
[16:24] <denis_> from windows
[16:24] <denis_> it is NTSF
[16:24] <OxDeadC0de1> denis_ oh then .. sudo apt-get ntfs-config ; ntfs-config
[16:24] <draik> Tm_T: It didn't work. Would you like me to send you the latest ~/.xsession-error ?
[16:25] <denis_> I'm gonna try this
[16:25] <OxDeadC0de1> denis_ that will set it up to automount them to wherever you specify on system boot
[16:25] <brewmaster> OxDeadC0de1: ah yes, shell scripting to the rescue
[16:25] <denis_> error message : /bin/sh: ntfs-config: not found
[16:26] <OxDeadC0de1> denis: sudo apt-get install ntfs-config sorry I always forget the "install" part
[16:26] <Korlis> woo, just ordered a kubuntu II cd
[16:26] <OxDeadC0de1> Korlis: Yay!
[16:26] <rien-ne-va-plus> OxDeadC0de1: alright seems like a mess in the syslog
[16:26] <Tm_T> draik: sorry I don't have time to help you more, I wish a good luck with it though
[16:26] <draik> Tm_T: Ok. Thanks.
[16:27] <Korlis> the rate taht the upgrade is downloading it might get here before it's done
[16:27] <denis_> I think it is working
[16:27] <hazzy> trappist: I've since started using Thunderbird for all this, so, I'm not sure what it could have been
[16:27] <OxDeadC0de1> rien: the kernel api could have changed since 7.10, you may want to check google on the issue :/
[16:27] <trappist> when I start up, I have to manually start knetworkmanager, then manually turn on my wireless connection to connect to the tubes.  how can I make this automatic in intrepid?  in the old days I'd put the device and my wepkey in /etc/network/interfaces - should I do that again?
[16:27] <trappist> hazzy: is thunderbird what was giving you trouble before?
[16:28] <rien-ne-va-plus> OxDeadC0de1: ok thanks
[16:28] <hazzy> trappist: No, I had just tested Kontact for you
[16:28] <denis_> Is it a long process ?
[16:28] <trappist> hazzy: can you describe exactly what happened?  I'm still not 100% sure we had the same problem
[16:28] <Korlis> im using kernel 2.6.24
[16:29] <OxDeadC0de1> denis_ is what a long process?
[16:29] <denis_> this process : sudo apt-get install ntfs-config
[16:29] <draik> Is there a way to change the apps within the Favorites of the K Menu?
[16:29] <luite> OxDeadC0de1: okee, I can login now again, but lost all my settings of course. is the new kde known to be buggy, or are there some settings I shouldn't touch because of these problems?
[16:29] <Korlis> Huzzah! My time remaining is under an hour now.
[16:29] <Korlis> What do you mean draik
[16:30] <OxDeadC0de1> luite: I have no real stability issues with it and I tweak everything in my setup ^^
[16:30] <Korlis> you can change wahts in there, but you can't change the order theyre in
[16:30] <hazzy> I had tried to send a message on Kontact, but as it was sending it shot me an error saying something about my network not being configured
[16:30] <OxDeadC0de1> draik right click on an app you want to add to favorites, click add to favorites
[16:30] <trappist> hazzy: oh that's not at all what I'm experiencing - I'm trying to save contacts to my ldap server
[16:30] <kevin_> hello all, is it   possible to run kde 3.5.10 while using Intrepid,, I just upgraded and seem have lost kde 3.5.x
[16:30] <draik> Korlis: Right now, I have Konqueror for web browser; Dolphin for file manager, etc. I want to use Firefox and Konqueror, respectively.
[16:30] <slow-motion> hi
[16:31] <hazzy> trappist: Ohhh, sorry :\
[16:31] <trappist> hahaha
[16:31] <Korlis> You mean bookmarks?
[16:31] <OxDeadC0de1> draik or if you want to remove one, right click and click "remove from favorites", so remove konqueror and add firefox, etc
[16:31] <Korlis> oh wait, i understand
[16:31] <draik> Ok
[16:31] <Korlis> he wants to set up firefox as default web browser and konq as default file browser
[16:31] <luite> OxDeadC0de1: ah ok, I never had such problems with kde 3. guess I was just unlucky.
[16:32] <draik> Korlis: Right
[16:32] <ardchoille> brewmaster: you can have two links to folder c .. you can't have folder c link to two places
[16:32] <trappist> hazzy: but I thought of something to try next - this is a "clean install", but I kept my home dir from a gutsy install, so I'm gonna try with a new user with no settings, and see if maybe something in my ~/.kde is causing problems
[16:32] <OxDeadC0de1> luite: I never used kde until intrepid ibex.. well, not never, but I prefered gnome until kde4
[16:32] <denis_> Ox, I did the two commands you showed to me
[16:33] <hazzy> trappist: Yea, go for it
[16:33] <denis_> but the second one show an error
[16:33] <Korlis> if you right click on what you want to open you can select open with, then check the thing that says remember my settings for this whatever
[16:33] <luite> OxDeadC0de1: ah. the gnome desktop always looked a bit more 'polished'
[16:33] <denis_> ** (ntfs-config:6169): WARNING **: Erreur : Ce programme nécessite d'être exécuté en tant que root.
[16:33] <Korlis> i can check to see the exact wording if you want
[16:33] <luite> but I used kde anyway
[16:33] <OxDeadC0de1> denis_ sudo ntfs-config
[16:33] <draik> denis_: sudo your command
[16:34] <draik> How do I get my regular user to login? It keeps hanging when it comes to loading the video driver.
[16:34] <Korlis> ok draik, you right lick  select open with - other then check the box that says remember application s association for this type of file
[16:35] <rien-ne-va-plus> OxDeadC0de1: hm i cant seem to find any news on that topic
[16:35] <OxDeadC0de1> luite it wasn't about the polishedness of the desktop for me, it just seemed kde was extremely bloated compared to gnome in the past, and I always had little problems with it
[16:35] <draik> Korlis: Huh? How does that fix the login?
[16:35] <Korlis> that doesnt
[16:35] <Korlis> tahts to make default apps
[16:35] <brewmaster> ardchoille: that's sucks... what I'm trying to do is have /partitionA/videos /partitionB/videos both show up in mythtv under 'videos'
[16:35] <Korlis> didnt see your login issue
[16:36] <Korlis> whoa, my remaining time shot up to 2 hours
[16:36] <OxDeadC0de1> rien I don't know, sorry :/, try making a bug report on the website for whatever company or hacker that makes the driver you're trying to use
[16:36] <dr_willis> brewmaster,  i just made links from /videos/part1 --> /media/partitiona/videos
[16:36] <dr_willis> brewmaster,  i had mythtv playing videos from severl hard drives.. and even nfs and samba shares that way
[16:38] <denis_> it doesn't work. i tried sudo apt-get install ntfs-config then sudo apt-get install ntfs-config Do I forgot something ?
[16:38] <OxDeadC0de> denis_ you only need to install it once, then run it, sudo apt-get install ntfs-config ; sudo ntfs-config ..
[16:38] <brewmaster> dr_willis: so you had to have separate folders showing up in mythtv for each partition?
[16:39] <dr_willis> mythtv had 2 or 3 different ways to show the  videos listings.. I think i had sub folders correct..
[16:39] <denis_> should I have to reboot now ?
[16:39] <dr_willis> Videos/Drive1  and Videos/Drive2 and so forth..
[16:39] <OxDeadC0de> denis_ maybe not, check /media and see if it made the folders and mounted it already
[16:40] <dr_willis> I do belive you had to tell MythTV to rescan or do somthing for it to see the videos.. or set up a setting whre it showed all files.
[16:40] <dr_willis> Ive not used MythTV in ages
[16:40] <OxDeadC0de> everybody: My hangover is gone! Time to party without any more tequila! sorry about off-topic
[16:40] <denis_> Yeah !
[16:40] <denis_> It's okay
[16:40] <denis_> Thank you
[16:40] <denis_> realy
[16:40] <ardchoille> brewmaster: you can link both folder a and folder b to folder c but don't you need to tell mythtv to rescan after linking?
[16:40] <denis_> really*
[16:41] <denis_> have a great day ;)
[16:41] <OxDeadC0de> denis_ yw glad I could help
[16:42] <kevin_>   does any one  know  how to install kde 3.5.10 on intrepid?
[16:43] <dr_willis> Not doable at this time.. from what i hear.. no repos have it.. no ppa's repos either
[16:43] <dr_willis> You could always get the source I guess... *(ick!)*
[16:44] <kevin_> thanks
[16:44] <Darthfrog> Sounds like a sizable # of folks don't like KDE 4.1.2
[16:44] <Tm_T> Darthfrog: I like 4.2
[16:44] <OxDeadC0de> I love 4.1.2, 4.2 can only be better
[16:44] <Darthfrog> So do I.
[16:45] <hazzy> Eh, I can't see why...4.1.2 isn't bad at all
[16:45] <ardchoille> kevin_: If you have already installed Intrepid, there's always the option of using another window manager like fluxbox or enlightenment
[16:45] <dustrial> enzo_:  there?
[16:45] <Darthfrog> I'm not enchanted with the fuxored printing system in Kubuntu Intrepid but KDE itself is great.
[16:45] <dr_willis> I like jwm+rox-filer :)
[16:45] <Tm_T> Darthfrog: it works here
[16:45] <kevin_> I probably will like 4.2, I am just used to 3.5
[16:46] <ardchoille> kevin_: same here and I will wait and see how 9.04 turns out
[16:46] <grizzancs> 4.1.2 is terrible slow at me, even with hw accel on + direct rendering, so im trying gnome now :)
[16:46] <Darthfrog> kevin_: One of the best things I read about KDE 4: KDE is no longer playing catchup on the desktop, theyre now innovating.
[16:46] <Darthfrog> I can hardly wait to see where the devs take KDE 4. :-)
[16:48] <dr_willis> useing 'applets/desklets/widgets' for everything is innovation ? :) But theres a lot of innovation a normal user dosent see ....
[16:48] <OxDeadC0de> grizzancs: it's fast for me on my dual core comp with it running at 800mhz + nvidia geforce 6150 go
[16:48] <maxbaldwin> Am I the only one who hasn't changed their desktop? Because I like the one KDE4 comes with...
[16:49] <trappist> hazzy: when I set it up as a fresh user, it works :)
[16:49] <hazzy> trappist: Glad to hear it!
[16:49] <trappist> I hate to do it, but I think ima wipe out my ~/.kde
[16:49] <OxDeadC0de> maxbaldwin you should at least try the lancelot kde menu instead of the regular one
[16:50] <maxbaldwin> OxDeadC0de: Screenshot?
[16:50] <OxDeadC0de> what's the hotkey to take screenshots again? ^^
[16:50] <grizzancs> OxDeadC0de: if i turn out "desktop effects" (so probably compiz, or what it is on kde4) , it's a lot faster (1.6ghz dualcore 2 gb ram notebook), but gnome is perfectly smooth with 3d effects on on 1gb notebook, single core, and both have ati mobility radeon 128mb videocard
[16:50] <grizzancs> strange :)
[16:50] <dustrial> well i had crashes with KDE4 so i use kde3 here
[16:50] <kevin_> It is really slick looking, and I love the graphics, but at the moment I can't find anything
[16:50] <OxDeadC0de> I run compiz grizzancs :/
[16:51] <MunichMatt> hello all. I have a problem with apt-get. I tried to install mozpluger and kvpnc. They also install menu and m4. But since then i keep getting problems reported by apt-get, that there were errors in processing the installation. see here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/66310/
[16:52] <maxbaldwin> OxDeadC0de: I dunno... I like the regular the best.
[16:53] <ardchoille> I like tastymenu
[16:53] <maxbaldwin> KDE4 > wmii > * > Gnome
[16:53] <maxbaldwin> That's the order, there.
[16:53] <dustrial> right, but gnome is more appealing for beginners, ...
[16:54] <OxDeadC0de> there's your problem grizzancs, ati radeons suck?
[16:54] <nadley> hi everybody
[16:55] <Kovert> ? does katapult work with 8.10?
[16:55] <ardchoille> !info katapult
[16:55] <ardchoille> Kovert: I guess not
[16:55] <dr_willis> aparently not. :)
[16:56] <Kovert> thank you again dr_willis
[16:56] <grizzancs> OxDeadC0de: well, they ddid excellent work on windows 3d games, i don't think they are not capable of handling some 2d windows ;)
[16:56] <OxDeadC0de> grizzancs: I meant in their linux support but yeah :P
[16:57] <grizzancs> maybe, but ubuntu with gnome is fast on this one, havent tried kubuntu only on the other one
[16:58] <dustrial> OxDeadC0de:  reading Nvidea forums, i woundered if things changed and ATI is now friendlier ...
[16:59] <OxDeadC0de> dustial: After my experience with the ati radeon mobility 200m, I never wanted ati again
[16:59]  * Kovert running ati
[16:59] <dr_willis> My laptop has a x200m.. its actually working decently well under 8.10
[16:59] <dr_willis> For all the little power it has. :)
[16:59] <dr_willis> it does the job for the kids.
[16:59] <dustrial> yes had simular problems 9700 mobility (r400) and was upset too... but now its AMD and nvidea doesn't do anything, while ati started to develeop better soupport
[17:00] <OxDeadC0de> maybe it got way better but I had it when it was new and frankly.. it sucked them until my laptop died.. got nvidia after so I dunno how much better it got ^^
[17:00] <dr_willis> i used a ati 9700 for ages.. :)
[17:00] <nadley> There is french user of Kubuntu here ?
[17:01] <ardchoille> !fr
[17:01] <dustrial> yeah i killed my laptop with 9700 two days ago
[17:01] <OxDeadC0de> doesn't it just suck when a laptop dies? I cried last time it happened.. literally... :/
[17:01] <dustrial> 5 yrs of fine power, and at least 9700 worked after years of configuring
[17:01] <dr_willis> I got an old laptop thats glued together to a bord. :)
[17:02] <grizzancs> hehe
[17:02] <ardchoille> dr_willis: haha
[17:02]  * Kovert is thinking x200s?
[17:02] <dustrial> well 5 yrs is a good age, he had some good days in some wine-games =)
[17:02] <ajunta> hi all! tell me please is it real to use knetworkmanaget to connect to m$ vpn?
[17:03] <dr_willis> Some of the laptops in this house have month+uptimes fronm the wife and her cardgames on them
[17:03] <OxDeadC0de> anyone using my python cpu frequency scaler on kubuntu 8.10? ^^ (in get hot new stuff), just asking because I
[17:03] <OxDeadC0de> oops, I'm going to rewrite it in js here in a bit for better compat..
[17:06] <hamiii_> After upgrading to 8.10 I get the error Setting up at (3.1.10.1ubuntu3) ... * Starting deferred execution scheduler atdinvoke-rc.d: initscript atd, action "start" failed.
[17:08] <hamiii_> When I remove at and reinstall  I get the same error
[17:08] <wathek> hello all
[17:08] <OxDeadC0de> hamiii_: see if a bug report already exists if not submit one
[17:09] <wigren> Hi all. I'm trying out Kubuntu for the first time. With Ubuntu I use envy to install the nvidia drivers. I can't seem to finy envy with Adept. Is there a special tool for KDE?
[17:09] <wathek> any one can help me to get libxerces-c.so.27 ?
[17:10] <hamiii_> Can someone tell me the permission and owners of /var/spool/cron/atjobs
[17:10] <Korlis> wigren, it should automatically alert you if you need a proprietary driver
[17:11] <OxDeadC0de> hamiii_: ls -lh /target
[17:11] <romunov> hey, my kubuntu installation has blown itself to about 14 gigs... any ideas on where to start cleaning?
[17:11] <hamiii_> I know how, I want to know what someones are that system is working.
[17:11] <OxDeadC0de> romunov try the disk usage analyzer? it's in gnome I know..
[17:12] <enzo_> wigren: envy is envyng
[17:12] <OxDeadC0de> drwxrwx--T 2 daemon daemon
[17:12] <hazzy> romunov: sudo apt-get autoclean
[17:12] <hamiii_> Interesting mine are set to bin
[17:12] <OxDeadC0de> drwxrwx--T 2 daemon daemon  4.0K 2007-10-15 17:27 atjobs -- even
[17:13] <romunov> i tried autoclean, but it freed only 100 megs
[17:13] <romunov> also autoremove
[17:13] <wigren> Korlis: When I use the Hardware Drivers utility it was basicly just unresponsive. So far I reinstalled ubuntu because somebody needed to use it. I'm on the Kubuntu live CD now. The Hardware Drivers seems to work when I'm on the live cd, but not when I'ts installed. I could reinstall it and see what happens, unless you have a suggestion?
[17:14] <Korlis> I would say that if the drivers work on the live cd it should work when you install it
[17:14] <wigren> Korlis: I'll try it again. Thanks.
[17:16] <draik> Korlis: No, that didn't work
[17:18] <hamiii_> thanks OxDeadC0de. That did it. Somehow the permessions got changed in the upgrade. I changed them and all works fine.
[17:18] <Kovert> romunov: get rid of old kernels
[17:19] <Guest62554> hello
[17:19] <hamiii_> While I'm here, I'm using konversation right now and if I click a link quanta pops up rather than konqueror. Anyone know where the setting is to put think right?
[17:20] <Philip5> hi guys.... i'm missing the system network configuration module in the system settings in kubuntu 8.10... anyone know if it's missing or just I who have missed som package to install?
[17:20] <hamiii_> s/think/things
[17:21] <OxDeadC0de> hamiii_: glad to be of service
[17:21] <Philip5> system network configuration comes with other dists with kde 4.x
[17:22] <OxDeadC0de> hamiii_ no idea on that one, still havn't figured out completely how to set the default browser etc in kde, but perhaps konversation has it's own setting on which browser to use ?
[17:22] <t848945> Hello all
[17:22] <ardchoille> hamiii_: it's in file associations, particularly the .html file extension, but I don't know where that is in kde4
[17:22] <romunov> Kovert: got any reading material on how i do that? how do i check if the old kernels are indeed causing this bubble?
[17:23] <ardchoille> hamiii_: perhaps open konqueror, go to Settings > Configure Extensions
[17:23] <r0y4l> Is there no way to resize the height of a kde4 panel? :(
[17:23] <hamiii_> I tried the konqueror and konqueror is listed first for html
[17:24] <OxDeadC0de> hamiii_ can try k menu/system settings/advanced and click through everything and look around?
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> r0y4l: click the plasma icon at the right of the panel, drag the top of the bar that appears like a window
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> there will be a more obvious button to drag in KDE 4.2
[17:24] <ardchoille> hamiii_: in konversation, go to Settings > Configure, then to Behavior > General and set the web browser?
[17:24] <t848945> .
[17:25] <OxDeadC0de> i use pidgin and firefox comes up on link clicks ^^
[17:25] <r0y4l> JontheEchidna: AHH
[17:25] <r0y4l> JontheEchidna: THANSK
[17:25] <r0y4l> s/THANSK/THANKS
[17:25] <r0y4l> :)
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> :)
[17:25] <t848945> .
[17:25] <romunov> months ago I installed Enemy territory and would like now to purge it. unfortunately i can't just "apt-get remove et" :/ how do i do it?
[17:26] <OxDeadC0de> anyone know if kubuntu will be upgraded to 4.2 once it's released in jan or whenever it comes out?
[17:27] <ardchoille> OxDeadC0de: I would think that 9.04 would be upgraded upon release
[17:27] <OxDeadC0de> on 8.10 even
[17:27] <hamiii_> ardchoille Thanks. It would of bit me. I'd looked right past it 100 times at least.
[17:27] <ardchoille> 8.10 won't be
[17:27] <ardchoille> hamiii_: so did I :)
[17:28] <OxDeadC0de> so 8.10 will always have 4.1.2? ok then.. no problem for me I always dist upgrade anyway, but I want kde 4.2 as soon as it comes out
[17:28] <ardchoille> OxDeadC0de: yeah, once it is released the *buntu's usually only get bug fixes and security updates
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> If you have "recommended updates" enabled you should get 4.1.3 in a few days ;)
[17:34] <ardchoille> JontheEchidna: then that will be the first time I've ever seen something as complicated as a full DE upgraded to the next version
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> 4.1.3 is a bugfix update
[17:34] <romunov> i'll need some help uninstalling enemy territory from my kubuntu.. anyone?
[17:34] <ardchoille> JontheEchidna: Ah, ok
[17:35] <thethirdmoose_> How do I get OSS support for phonon?
[17:35] <ardchoille> JontheEchidna: In that case, I may try Intrepid again on my test box :)
[17:36] <ardchoille> You never know, we may see Kubuntu 8.10.1
[17:37] <Ubuntu-Newbie-Ex> Hello all - question, I've been trying for two days trying to get Sun Java 6 working with Firefox.. with no luck. I try to apt-get install sun-java6-plugin, but I get the message 'Package sun-java6-plugin is not available, but is referred to by another package'
[17:37] <Ubuntu-Newbie-Ex> Any thoughts?
[17:37] <ardchoille> !java
[17:38] <Ubuntu-Newbie-Ex> ubottu: Thanks! Checking it out now
[17:39] <grizzancs> :))
[17:39] <psyco> hey guys, I got 8.10 now, but my internet wont work anymore
[17:39] <psyco> And I cant find where to configure the internet options now
[17:42] <romunov> what would happen if i deleted a directory (say "glest") under /etc/games/?
[17:42] <zamarax> hello, I followed the steps here http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-kde-41-on-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html and now I can't seem to remove kde, nothing happens when I try an aptitude remove (package name) and it also completely messed up my gnome in that it's now using the kubuntu wireless manager amongst lots of other things, any ideas of how to reverse that install?
[17:42] <OxDeadC0de> you would no longer be able to play glest but it wouldn't be uninstalled properly
[17:42] <ardchoille> romunov: how did you install it?
[17:43] <romunov> i downloaded a file from a webpage
[17:43] <romunov> and dpkg, if i recall correctly
[17:43] <ardchoille> dpkg has an uninstall feature
[17:43] <OxDeadC0de> try dpkg -r .eb
[17:43] <OxDeadC0de> :s/.eb/.deb
[17:43] <romunov> OxDeadC0de: from /glest/ directory?
[17:43] <ardchoille> romunov: from anywhere
[17:44] <OxDeadC0de> on the glest debian file
[17:44] <OxDeadC0de> or anywhere I guess
[17:44] <romunov> hum, i don't have the deb file anymore
[17:44] <gigatropolis> I had tthe same problem as psyco. is it normal for no internet connection when starting kubuntu 8.10
[17:44] <ardchoille> romunov: doesn't matter, but you do need the filename
[17:44] <romunov> hum, i see that the /games/ directory has no subdirectories, only files... :/
[17:45] <ardchoille> romunov: you also should be able to: apt-get remove glest
[17:45] <romunov> wee, glest is removing
[17:45] <romunov> now for the ET
[17:47] <ardchoille> whoever wrote APT was a genius
[17:47] <OxDeadC0de> apt freakin rules
[17:48] <hazzy> Yes...I spent some time on Mandriva...couldn't use urpmi
[17:49] <trappist> I thought urpmi was pretty ok - even has some advantages over apt, but I prefer apt
[17:49] <maxbaldwin> rpm is better than apt
[17:50] <trappist> one thing I lost when I wiped out my ~/.kde is when I close kontact, it's *closed*, as in nothing in the taskbar for kmail, akregator etc.  how can I make it minimize to the system tray like it did before?
[17:50] <trappist> maxbaldwin: right.
[17:50] <trappist> rpm doesn't even compete with apt, it competes with dpkg.
[17:51] <maxbaldwin> lol, I dunno what I'm talking about.
[17:51] <trappist> I know
[17:51]  * maxbaldwin kicks maxbaldwin.
[17:51] <trappist> :)
[17:51] <luite> hmm, the problem is back :( I was messing with window managers (trying to use emerald), and had to kill xorg. and now I can't login again :(
[17:51] <maxbaldwin> :|
[17:52] <OxDeadC0de> luite lame, i use emerald all the time
[17:52] <rien-ne-va-plus> hi everyone, i still have problems with dvb-t under kubuntu 8.10 -  my usb stick is in "warm state" but i cannot use it with any software i tried, i always get "no hardware recognized" - can anyone help?
[17:52] <ardchoille> trappist: you need to go through the apps in kontact and set the tray icon for use again
[17:53] <luite> OxDeadC0de: it's the first time I try to use it. should I be able to start it using # emerald --replace, from a terminal, when kde+kwin is running?
[17:53] <OxDeadC0de> luite I always launch it from the fusion-icon
[17:53] <teddiebaer> Hi@all
[17:54] <psyco> In kubuntu 8.10 where do I fix internet settings?
[17:54] <luite> OxDeadC0de: ok, I'll try that
[17:54] <trappist> ardchoille: found it, thanks :)
[17:54] <ardchoille> trappist: iirc, kontact is just a shell for things like kmail, akregator, etc
[17:54] <ardchoille> yw
[17:54] <psyco> Knetworkmanager wont connect for some reason, it stays "disconnected"
[17:54] <eeanm> anyone know of a 'kdict' replacement for intrepid?
[17:54] <eeanm> a dict client of some sort
[17:54] <trappist> ardchoille: yeah that appears to be the case
[17:55] <hazzy> psyco: Go to terminal and type "systemsettings", and click "Network Settings"
[17:56] <luite> OxDeadC0de: hm, that doesn't seem to work either, my window decorations have gone again
[17:56] <OxDeadC0de> luite: did you already select a theme to use via emerald settings manager?
[17:59] <luite> OxDeadC0de: yes, I installed some theme I downloaded from the kde-look website
[17:59] <luite> but I'll try another one
[18:00] <Aizawa> When installing k/ubuntu, if you pick the paritioning option that automatically fills out your hard disk, does it do that with your swap too?
[18:00] <OxDeadC0de> luite try: sudo apt-get install emerald emerald-themes - then launch the emerald manager from fusion-icon, select a theme, then turn on emerald
[18:01] <jussi01> Aizawa: it does everything you need for basic install, so yes.
[18:01] <luite> OxDeadC0de: I tried to install emerald-themes, but the package is not available
[18:02] <OxDeadC0de> luite it could be in multiverse or another repo, try enabling them all (except source)
[18:02] <Aizawa> Hm. Okay.
[18:02] <pulaski> Hello, I've been trying to set up NFS on my client/server setup using hardy 8.04 server and hardy 8.04 desktop.  The output of my rpcinfo -p call lacks the rquota daemon on both machines.  I've  installed nfs-kernel-server on the and server and nfs-common on both the server and the client.  When trying to mount a share on the client it returns 'mount.nfs: internal error'.  /var/log/syslog shows:'rpcbind: server 192.168.0.3 not
[18:02] <pulaski> responding, timed out" which I think I read somewhere is a rquota related error message.  Can anyone suggest what's going on here.
[18:02] <russlar> hey all. I'm trying to delete a konsole profile, but the delete button doesn't seem to work. is there a config file I can edit to manually remove a profile?
[18:02] <OxDeadC0de> k menu/system/software sources
[18:03] <dissociative> where are the Kubuntu 8.10 i386 DesktopCD system requirements?
[18:03] <trappist> how do I configure printing in kde4?
[18:04] <draik> I cannot log into my regular account. I can login with "sudo startx", but not with my regular user. There is no error message, but 2 people have confirmed a possible permission issue.
[18:04] <draik> Has anyone else had this issue?
[18:04] <russlar> @draik: only time I've seen that is when I try to change my login screen
[18:04] <russlar> it throws a
[18:04] <alesan> hey, do you know where (a forum or similar) I can express my total regret I upgraded to 8.10 and the lousy KDE4?
[18:04] <russlar> "cannot open file" error
[18:05] <alesan> this upgrade has been the worst thing EVER since I bought a computer
[18:05] <OxDeadC0de> what's wrong with kde4?
[18:05] <jussi01> alesan: you can come and gripe in #kubuntu-offtopic
[18:05] <jussi01> :)
[18:05] <dissociative> hes not ready
[18:05] <alesan> OxDeadC0de: the list would be too long to type here, that is why I am looking for a forum
[18:05] <alesan> ~dict gripe
[18:06] <dissociative> gtk2 looking is so annoying
[18:06] <luite> OxDeadC0de: multiverse is already enabled. I think the package is not available anymore for the newer versions, I cannot find it on pacakges.ubuntu.com either
[18:06] <luite> OxDeadC0de: but I got it working now with another theme from the beryl site, using fusion-icon. thanks for the help :)
[18:08] <OxDeadC0de> how can I find out what repository a specific package is on?
[18:08] <condon> can anyone tell me where to get the snow plugin (running kubuntu 8.10 w/ kde 4.1)
[18:08] <trappist> OxDeadC0de: apt-cache show
[18:08] <condon> got compiz stright from adept
[18:09] <draik> russlar: It's not even like that. I don't get an error message.
[18:09] <russlar> it's installed by default for me, running kwin
[18:09] <OxDeadC0de> trappist: it doesn't show what repo it's on in that :/
[18:09] <trappist> OxDeadC0de: oh sorry, apt-cache policy
[18:10] <jussi01> OxDeadC0de: what package?
[18:10] <russlar> @draik: belgium. it just drops you to terminal session?
[18:10] <OxDeadC0de> emerald-themes, apt-cache show shows me where emerald came from though
[18:10] <draik> russlar: Yes.
[18:10] <jussi01> !info emerald-themes
[18:10] <draik> Well, actually, not really. It just sits there.
[18:10] <trappist> draik: I had a similar problem earlier today, and it was a permissions issue.
[18:11] <draik> I got to terminal and I can login like my regular user.
[18:11] <OxDeadC0de> oh lame, guess I still have it from 8.04
[18:11] <draik> trappist: How did you resolve it?
[18:11] <psyco> what is the command to create "/etc/resolve.conf" ?
[18:11] <goofey> if you agree that one should not have to install gnome to get firefox in kubuntu 8.10, please support bug #292403 in bugs.launchpad.net
[18:11] <russlar> psyco: sudo touch /etc/resolf.conf
[18:11] <psyco> touch?
[18:11] <trappist> draik: well in my case it was safe to totally wipe out the home dir, but you might try chowning yours, like sudo chown -R [yourself] /home/[you]
[18:12] <elvira> hol
[18:12] <OxDeadC0de> touch creates a blank empty file with the given filename
[18:12] <elvira> hol
[18:12] <elvira> hola
[18:12] <draik> trappist: I did that.
[18:12] <trappist> psyco: it's resolv.conf, and yes if you touch it it'll create an empty file if it's not already there
[18:12] <psyco> lol
[18:12] <pegue> hi, is there a debians sid equivalent in ubuntu?
[18:12] <trappist> draik: then it's probably not a permissions problem
[18:12] <russlar> draik: if possible, look ofer the X11 logs
[18:13] <draik> russlar: Where are the logs?
[18:13] <goofey> pegue: ubuntu doesn't have "stable" and "unstable" like debian
[18:13] <OxDeadC0de> -/var/log/xorg.log
[18:13] <pegue> so, is there something newer than version 8.10?
[18:13] <Aizawa> nope
[18:13] <russlar> pegue: no
[18:13] <OxDeadC0de> 8.10 came out 2 days ago
[18:14] <goofey> pegue: nope, that's the latest and greatest
[18:14] <pegue> I know, but i wonder if there was a testing branch, with the lastest versions
[18:14] <elvira> hi
[18:14] <condon> anyone know what gitweb is?
[18:14] <elvira> hola
[18:15] <goofey> pegue: there will be a 9.04 alpha (very broken) in a month or so (?)
[18:15] <russlar> pegue: look around for 9.04 dev
[18:15] <draik> What am I looking for in the log of Xorg.0.log?
[18:15] <boubbin> k
[18:15] <pegue> ok, thanks
[18:15] <OxDeadC0de> draik: any line that says (EE) at the start
[18:16] <russlar> draik: anything that looks like ERROR
[18:16] <OxDeadC0de> draik or (WW)
[18:16] <OxDeadC0de> (EE) = error, (WW) = warning
[18:16] <pegue> as I did download 8.1 beta, i thought it would be now something equivalent
[18:16] <draik> Thanks. Let me check
[18:16] <JackWinter> is this the right channel for discussing kubuntu 8.10 now ?
[18:16] <pegue> sorry for my english :P
[18:16] <russlar> pegue: not for another couple months
[18:16] <psyco> where do I change network settings in Kubuntu 8.10 ?
[18:16] <OxDeadC0de> jackwinter right here?
[18:16] <russlar> JWL yes. here
[18:16] <pegue> ok, i see how it works
[18:17] <draik> I only have 2 WW...
[18:17] <draik> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
[18:17] <russlar> psyco: what do you want to do?
[18:17] <draik> (WW) "dri2" will not be loaded unless you've specified it to be loaded elsewhere.
[18:18] <JackWinter> o, installed it on my laptop.  every couple of seconds there is a "jiggling" of my screen.  looks like it's trying to open a window and then closing it immidiately ?  any idea what it might be, i have no idea since it goes to fast....
[18:18] <psyco> russlar: well, I just got 8.10, and now, I have a "static IP" I cant configure kubuntu to connect to it
[18:18] <russlar> psyco: heheeh... that;s a bug
[18:19] <russlar> you have to configure it manyally from command line
[18:19] <alesan> hey which window manager can I switch to that looked like KDE2 or 3?
[18:19] <alesan> with a basic task bar, a clock, and a quick launch app tray?
[18:19] <russlar> the syntax is this: sudo ifconfig <interface name> <ipaddress> netmask <netmask>
[18:20] <favro> psyco: you can edit the file /etc/network/interfaces manually to get a static ip working
[18:20] <psyco> russlar: ok ill try that
[18:20] <russlar> psyco: after that, do this: sudo route add default gw <ip of gateway>
[18:21] <psyco> russlar: what is my "interface name" ?
[18:21] <russlar> whatever interface you want to configure
[18:21] <psyco> oh rightt
[18:21] <russlar> do ifconfig -a
[18:21] <russlar> and pick one
[18:21] <Eruaran> I have updated to Kubuntu 8.10
[18:22] <Eruaran> Apart from minor glitches, its looking fairly good.
[18:22] <OxDeadC0de> glad to hear that Eruaran
[18:23] <Eruaran> Seems to be working with my nvidia graphics nicely
[18:23] <russlar> sweet! a guy who's not hating on KDE4!!!
[18:24] <draik> Would either of those 2 warnings be the cause?
[18:24] <Eruaran> its rather nice
[18:24] <psyco> arrgh, still not working
[18:24] <russlar> I don;t think so, draik
[18:24] <HHornblower87> hello, all. I have a quick question for you. I upgraded to 8.10 two days ago, and overall it's been great. The only thing that doesn't want to work is the hibernate/suspend functions.
[18:24] <HHornblower87> it's the same for every power manager I use.
[18:25] <roby70> ciao
[18:25] <russlar> draik: the first one just means that you won't be able to display russian text
[18:25] <HHornblower87> so i'm assuming it's a problem with the back-end, or the kernel, or somesuch.
[18:25] <russlar> hornblow: or your hardware
[18:25] <HHornblower87> I've been trying to google around for it, but the results are very slim.
[18:25] <draik> russlar: Well, that's not an issue. I can't read it even if I saw it.
[18:25] <HHornblower87> russlar: well, it worked fine in 8.04.
[18:25] <HHornblower87> russlar: so I'm kinda doubtful of that.
[18:26] <russlar> somehting tells me maxbaldwin is an asshole
[18:26] <draik> Where else should I look for the cause of my X server issue?
[18:26] <russlar> driak: what video hardware are you using?
[18:26] <OxDeadC0de> draik can you login with other users?
[18:26] <OxDeadC0de> not just root?
[18:27] <draik> russlar: the restricted driver for nVidia
[18:27] <draik> OxDeadC0de: I only have one user
[18:27] <draik> I will create another.
[18:27] <russlar> hmmmm....... did you recently update the kernel?
[18:27] <maxbaldwin> Gah.
[18:27] <draik> russlar: Yes
[18:27] <draik> russlar: Manually, too.
[18:27] <russlar> ah-haha!
[18:27] <JackWinter> russlar: i think kde 4.1 looks awesome...  still didn't use it, but looks get A+
[18:27] <russlar> you need to reinstall the nvidia driver
[18:28] <OxDeadC0de> russlar he shouldn't.. they have a new program that compiles and installs the nvidia driver every time the kernel changes now
[18:28] <OxDeadC0de> russlar: automatically
[18:28] <draik> russlar: How so?
[18:28] <russlar> draik: never mind
[18:28] <draik> Ok
[18:29] <draik> Be right back...
[18:29] <JackWinter> envyng and dkms works real nice...
[18:32] <goofey> if you agree that one should not have to install gnome to get firefox in kubuntu 8.10, please support bug #292403 in bugs.launchpad.net
[18:33] <russlar> goofey: ?????
[18:33] <psyco> is there a way to not use knetworkmanager and set stuff up manually, not matter what I do knetowrkmanager will not "connect" eth0 stays disconnected
[18:33] <goofey> russlar: an install of firefox using adept on a clean install of kubuntu 8.10 requires a *ton* of gnome files - this is wrong
[18:33] <webas> how to unzip.. http://pastie.org/305935 i get error
[18:33] <russlar> when you're manually configuring from ifconfig, ignore knetworkmanager
[18:34] <psyco> russlar: argh, so I'm screwed....
[18:34] <goofey> russlar: firefox, while a gtk app, is not a gnome app
[18:34] <russlar> goofey: well, firefox for linux was written using gtk for a frontend
[18:34] <goofey> russlar: and the dev's are trying to close the bug
[18:34] <russlar> you'lll need gtk to run it
[18:34] <Aizawa> firefox on linux is sooo damn slow, for me at least
[18:34] <goofey> russlar: gtk yes, gnome, no
[18:34] <russlar> didn't ask me for gnome stuff....
[18:35] <goofey> russlar: on a clean install of kubuntu 8.10?
[18:35] <draik> No, alternative user did not work
[18:35] <russlar> yes
[18:35] <OxDeadC0de> draik but root does?
[18:35] <goofey> russlar: well, if you don't mind, take a look at the bug and le tme know if I'm wrong
[18:35] <goofey> er, let me
[18:35] <goofey> russlar: I would love to be wrong about this
[18:35] <russlar> did you install ubufox, or firefox-ubuntu?
[18:36] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Yes. "sudo startx" brings me into the GUI
[18:36] <psyco> why does the damn system settings change each update
[18:36] <HHornblower87> anybody have a thought about suspend/hibernate not working on my 8.10 install?
[18:36] <psyco> its the surce of problems from all my updates
[18:36] <goofey> russlar: 3.0.3+nobinonly-0ubuntu2
[18:37] <OxDeadC0de> draik sorry about all the questions, but, if you log into the new user from a console and run startx, what output do you get?
[18:38] <goofey> russlar: Firefox Web Browser 3.0.3+nobinonly-0ubuntu2
[18:38] <draik> Same as my initial regular user. No error messages. It freezes up on the part where it says that it will be loading the config from the xorg.conf file.
[18:38] <draik> I don't mind the questions. It helps you help me resolve this issue.
[18:38] <esperegu> is lancelot included it kubuntu?
[18:39] <jussi01> yes
[18:39] <OxDeadC0de> draik chec that there are read permissions on /etc/X11/xorg.conf (with ls -lh)
[18:39] <jussi01> !info plasmoid-lancelot | esperegu
[18:39] <esperegu> jussi01: how can I enable/use it?
[18:39] <jussi01> esperegu: install that package, then add it like any other wplasmoid
[18:39] <draik> OxDeadC0de: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.1K 2008-11-02 10:34 xorg.conf
[18:40] <babeck> I have upgraded to Intrepid, but now I cant use the single quote mark.  Instead I have to press it twice, and it becomes an accent mark for the next character.  tried doing a dpkg-reconfigure, but that does not seem to work.  anyone know of a way to fix the problem.
[18:40] <esperegu> jussi01: cool. thx
[18:40] <OxDeadC0de> draik yet another test: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup1 , and try startx with a user again
[18:40] <OxDeadC0de> you can always move it back
[18:40] <bozza> hi
[18:40] <psyco> zomg, wtf, bqq
[18:41] <psyco> it works randomly
[18:41] <psyco> w/e as long as it works,
[18:41] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Right. Anything else before I leave to try it?
[18:41] <psyco> probably tahanks to you russlar,
[18:41] <russlar> psyco: the static ip works?
[18:41] <psyco> ccheers eveyone
[18:41] <OxDeadC0de> draik y ou shouldn't have to leave to try it ;)
[18:41] <psyco> yeah :D
[18:41] <psyco> bye
[18:41] <russlar> cheers
[18:41] <OxDeadC0de> draik hit control+alt+f2 to switch to another terminal
[18:41] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Haha. I forget about the others
[18:41] <draik> Just a sec
[18:42] <esperegu> jussi01: hmm. installation gives a lot of lines like: Unknown media type in type 'all/allfiles'
[18:42] <bozza> whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu
[18:42] <OxDeadC0de> ubuntu is gnome, kubuntu is kde
[18:42] <jussi01> esperegu: how did you install it?
[18:43] <bozza> oh ok
[18:43] <bozza> is kde better ?
[18:43] <OxDeadC0de> it's personal preference usually
[18:43] <jussi01> !best
[18:44] <goofey> russlar: what was the package you installed?
[18:44] <bozza> ok
[18:44] <draik> OxDeadC0de: xauth: error in locking authority file: /home/draik/.Xauthority
[18:44] <russlar> firefox-3.0
[18:44] <russlar> in adept
[18:44] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Says it 4 times in a row
[18:44] <goofey> russlar: then you must have a bunch of gnome files installed or you know a trick that I don't
[18:44] <russlar> or I just don't care
[18:45] <goofey> russlar: fair enough
[18:45] <OxDeadC0de> draik try renaming ~/.Xauthority
[18:45] <jonathan__> is it correct that my xorg has a permanent cpu usage of over 10%??
[18:46] <bozza> ok ill ask my question again in more detail: when i change volume or when i press mute the sound doesnt change , either in MASTER or using my laptop keys .. but when i change the sound in HEADPHONES , the sound changes . how can i get rid of that problem
[18:46] <draik> Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0. If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again.
[18:46] <bukharin> Hello! just upgraded to intredid, and everything went fine :)
[18:46] <bukharin> except for one little thingy :(
[18:46] <draik> Done.
[18:46] <draik> Let me try again.
[18:47] <bukharin> bozza: you mean with the laptop hardware buttons?
[18:47] <bozza> i have a problem in Ubuntu .. can i get support here . the ubuntu channel is quite busy
[18:47] <bozza> yea
[18:47] <bukharin> well: anyone knows why firefox refuses to use qt themes?
[18:47] <bozza> or the buttons in MASTER
[18:47] <ardchoille> bozza: not really, the #ubuntu channel is where you need to be
[18:48] <bozza> oh . but does KDE use Volume Control alsa mixer ?
[18:48] <russlar> buk: firefox was written in gtk
[18:48] <bukharin> bozza: looks like you need the correct packages t handle your buttons... it depend on the make of your laptop
[18:48] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Ok, so no error message about the fatal server error.
[18:48] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Reboot and try to login?
[18:48] <bukharin> ruslar: yweah, i know. but inn hardy, gtk-qt-engines worked peachy, and now it just looks as straight out of winows 3.1
[18:48] <bozza> no even if i change volume in volume control under master .. it doesnt do anything
[18:48] <russlar> erm.....
[18:48] <OxDeadC0de> draik: give it a try :), hopefully it will work now
[18:48] <draik> Ok
[18:49] <bozza> but when i change the volume for "Headphones" it works
[18:49] <bukharin> bozza: you mean in the kmixer app?
[18:49] <bozza> hmm . i use ubuntu . and for me its called Volume Control
[18:49] <bukharin> bozza: oh, sorry.
[18:50] <bukharin> bozza: well it looks to me like you got the channels in your sound card mixed up. its fairly common.
[18:50] <bozza> ohh ,, i didnt realize there was such a big difference between ubuntu and kubuntu
[18:50] <bukharin> bozza: unfortunately, conf and fix depende higly on your particular sound setup.
[18:50] <bozza> bukharin: oh how can i change it
[18:51] <bozza> any ideas ?
[18:51] <bukharin> bozza: i wouldn't know. that ALSA config, and its fairly "low-level". in my case, for example, i got some mixup on the channels, or the names passed to ALSA don't mean much, but i just stopped trying to fix it, and changed my wiring
[18:51] <bozza> your wiring ? but its a laptop ?
[18:51] <esperegu> jussi01: just using apt-get install
[18:52] <bukharin> bozza: no, its desktop. that's why i wouldnt know how to fix it in yor case
[18:52] <esperegu> jussi01: you know how I can change order of the items in a panel?
[18:52] <bozza> oh ok
[18:52] <jussi01> esperegu: ok. did it appear in your add widgets window?
[18:52] <bukharin> bozza: your best bet wuld be to look for documentation on your laptop mdel for ubuntu
[18:52] <bozza> thanks anyway
[18:52] <bozza> ok thats a good idea
[18:53] <jussi01> esperegu: right click on the panel -> panel settings -> drag and drop :)
[18:53] <bukharin> bozza: if you are lucky, (ot have a dell) that kind of things is thoroughly dpcumented, but since it depends on the hardware layout of your card, theres not much that can be done from the OS side (ie, (k)ubuntu)
[18:53] <bukharin> bozza: good luck. you'll need it :)
[18:53] <esperegu> jussi01: yeah I was able to add it. trying to order stuff now
[18:54] <esperegu> jussi01: drag and drop... NIZ!
[18:54] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: This time, there are errors when trying to login with my username rather than root
[18:54] <bukharin> well.. back to my main concern: any one has any idea why firefox suddenly stopped working with gtk-qt-engine?
[18:54] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: EE Unable to locate/open config file
[18:54] <bukharin> it worked in hardy with kde 4.1.2, and it stoped working after dist-upgrade
[18:54] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: EE open /dev/fb0: No such file or direcotry
[18:54] <jussi01> esperegu: one little trick, you can change lancelots icon by right clicking on the launcher, then lancelot settings :)
[18:55] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: EE Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[18:56] <fale__> is there an irc client completle written in qt4?
[18:56] <esperegu> jussi01: oeps... Fatal Error Occured... plasma crashed =)
[18:56] <DarkSmoke> fale__: wait for the next version of kvirc
[18:57] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: What am I missing?
[18:57] <fale__> DarkSmoke: atm no irc client is written in qt4/kde4?
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> fale__: quassel
[18:58] <fale__> thx JontheEchidna
[18:59] <OxDeadC0de> enzo_ sorry was afkish back tho, move your xorg.conf back ^^
[19:01] <nRx> anyone who know if there is a real-time backup tool?
[19:02] <maxbaldwin> Keep can backup a directory at regular intervals
[19:02] <maxbaldwin> nRx
[19:03] <Fiona> sgh
[19:03] <nRx> maxbaldwin: but it should be updated after (example: editing a file)
[19:03] <nRx> updated=backuped
[19:03] <bukharin> anyone knows why gtk-qt-engine doesn't work in firefox?
[19:03] <bukharin> after dist-upgrade?
[19:04] <maxbaldwin> If you set it to be backed up every day or something, it wouldn't matter.
[19:04] <maxbaldwin> even after you edited it
[19:05] <ardchoille> bukharin: Do you have these packages installed?  gtk2-engines-qtpixmap gtk-engines-qtpixmap gtk2-engines-qtcurve
[19:06] <nRx> maxbaldwin: thanks but this isn a real-time backup tool ... keep only back up at a special time or every day or ... but not after knowing that there is a difference between folder A and folder B so that it has to backup.
[19:06] <bukharin> ardchoille: don't know, let em check. maybe dist-upgrade removed them
[19:07] <maxbaldwin> nRx: Ah, someone else can probably help then. I'm not sure of a program that does that. (I don't use backup programs)
[19:07] <ardchoille> bukharin: well, you had to manually install them to begin with
[19:08] <bukharin> yes, i had forgotten that i neede extra packages, and thought that dist-upgrade would just keep them. i just installed, let me see if ff works now
[19:08] <psyco> hey im back XD,
[19:08] <bukharin> nope, still looks horrible
[19:08] <ardchoille> bukharin: ok, did you set the gtk stuff up in systemsettings ?
[19:08] <psyco> anyone had the problem in adept where the search list flashes and then nothing shows up?
[19:09] <bukharin> ardchoille: ywah, i told it to use my kde theme
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> try installing libbonobo2
[19:10] <ardchoille> bukharin: try chaning it to the qt option and back and then restart ff
[19:10] <bukharin> ardchoille: jsut did that. didn't work :(
[19:11] <ardchoille> :(
[19:12] <ardchoille> bukharin: ok, open ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde in a text editor and take a look
[19:12] <bukharin> ardchoille: i tried with wvery option, qt4, qtcurve, raleigh, use my kde theme. firefox looks exactly the same with each. terrible, that is :) but the tab bar now looks good...
[19:12] <ardchoille> bukharin: I can post mine if you want
[19:12] <bukharin> ok, give me a sec
[19:13] <bukharin> NO such file or directory
[19:13] <bukharin> ardchoille: there gtkrc-2.0-kde
[19:14] <ardchoille> bukharin: that file was created for me by the systemsettings
[19:14] <bukharin> yeah, it was under a diff name. there it is
[19:14] <bukharin> gtkrc-2.0-kde
[19:14] <ardchoille> does it have your qt stuff in it?
[19:15] <ardchoille> bukharin: actually that's the same filename
[19:15] <bukharin> yeah, my bed, sorry.
[19:15] <bukharin> i have three files: gtk-2.0-kde, gtk-2.0-kde4
[19:15] <bukharin> gtk-qt-engine_rc
[19:16] <sbattey> http://annma.blogspot.com/2008/11/khangman-kde-4-broken-in-intrepid.html <--this is a little ridiculous don't you think?
[19:16] <ardchoille> ok, check to see if the *kde4 file has your qt stuff in it
[19:16] <ardchoille> sbattey: do you know who annma is?
[19:17] <sbattey> ardchoille: I do.
[19:17] <sbattey> ardchoille: I'm not saying her blog is ridiculous, I'm saying the fact that it is broken is.
[19:17] <KiZTiaN> hello
[19:18] <bukharin> it says:
[19:18] <ardchoille> sbattey: ah, yeah
[19:18] <bukharin> gtk-theme-name="Qt4"
[19:18] <bukharin> gtk-font-name="DejaVu Sans 9"
[19:19] <KiZTiaN> i need help with kubuntu 8.10 and radeon 9200
[19:19] <bukharin> ardchoille: thanks a lot for your time, but i have to go now...
[19:19] <ardchoille> bukharin: that looks correct, not sure what the problem is
[19:19] <bukharin> ardchoille: i'll try messing with those, to see if i can fix it
[19:19] <ardchoille> ok
[19:19] <bukharin> ardchoille: thanks. bye!
[19:19] <ardchoille> yw
[19:20] <sbattey> ardchoille: People blame kubuntu crashes on KDE, the sad part is, is that this manages to slip through to a release.
[19:21] <ardchoille> sbattey: you know what they say.. to err is human, to really foul things up requires a computer
[19:22] <KDesk> why when I install mplayer the soud out put is to pulse?
[19:22] <KDesk> I dont have pulseaudio installed, so it should be in alsa o xine or phonon
[19:22] <KDesk> is that a bug?
[19:22] <ardchoille> KDesk: I thought pulseaudio was the default starting in Hardy
[19:23] <hazzy> Yea, I think it is
[19:23] <jtechidna> ardchoille: not in kubuntu it isn't
[19:23] <KDesk> no
[19:23] <KDesk> ardchoille:  in kubunut not
[19:23] <ardchoille> jtechidna: Ah, thanks for that info
[19:23] <hazzy> Oh, ok
[19:23]  * ardchoille just recently switched from Ubuntu to Kubuntu
[19:23] <Tm_T> ardchoille: noone believes you, you old KDE user
[19:23] <Tm_T> (;)
[19:24] <ardchoille> hehe
[19:26] <fillip> first time here
[19:26] <fillip> hi!
[19:26] <ardchoille> !hi
[19:26] <fillip> :)
[19:29] <psyco> key, anyone know why adept in 8.10 doesnt show up any searches?
[19:30] <psyco> they just flash a list for a sec and then nothing
[19:31] <bastian> psyco: if I disable show upgradable packages it works
[19:31] <psyco> bastian: ok ill try that
[19:31] <psyco> rofl
[19:31] <psyco> nice
[19:32] <psyco> "minor bug" ..... >.>
[19:32] <OculusAquilae> psyco: saw the same bug a minute ago
[19:33] <psyco> is firefox in the repository?
[19:34] <ardchoille> !info firefox
[19:34] <ardchoille> psyco: yep
[19:34] <psyco> so its a bad thing if its not showing up....
[19:35] <OculusAquilae> psyco: seems to work after having clicked on this button one time
[19:36] <psyco> uuugghh
[19:36] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: I have moved the file back, what should I do?
[19:36] <psyco> this is fail.
[19:38] <psyco> i want my old adept rwarwar
[19:39] <OculusAquilae> I don't get it reproduced
[19:39] <ardchoille> Someone needs to make a distro based on Kubuntu but with kde3 and gimp, firefox, synaptic ported to qt
[19:40] <psyco> !info synaptic
[19:40] <psyco> i dont know whats wrong :S:S, adept gets a list but its so small
[19:41] <enzo_> I'm sure where to look now so that I can resolve my xserver issue.
[19:42] <jmichaelx> could someone possibly tell me how to enable the desktop cube in intrepid? i have been poking around, but nothing i have tried has seemed to work.
[19:44] <enzo_> Is anyone here using the nVidia driver from the restricted hardware? I want to know if maybe it's just me having the issue with only root being able to use the GUI as opposed to a regular user, too.
[19:46] <OxDeadC0de> enzo: ls -lh /dev/nvidia* do you have read/write permissions for all users?
[19:46] <OxDeadC0de> enzo_ /\
[19:47] <jmichaelx> man, they sure did a number on adept
[19:47] <psyco> jmichaelx: yup, its quite the fail
[19:47] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Here is what I show...
[19:47] <draik> crw-rw---- 1 root video 195,   0 2008-11-02 10:51 /dev/nvidia0
[19:47] <draik> crw-rw---- 1 root video 195, 255 2008-11-02 10:51 /dev/nvidiactl
[19:48] <jmichaelx> fail is definitely the word
[19:48] <OxDeadC0de> enzo_ try adding yourself to the user group, or do (insecure way) chmod a+rw /dev/nvidia*
[19:48] <OxDeadC0de> enzo_ video group I mean sorry
[19:48] <draik> I am part of the video group
[19:48] <ardchoille> OxDeadC0de: the device it self shouldn't have read and write perms for all users
[19:48] <draik> I will run the command just the same
[19:49] <psyco> ugh, im totally haing 8.10
[19:49] <psyco> hating*
[19:49] <draik> psyco: So angry you can't type?
[19:49] <psyco> draik: almost ;)
[19:50] <draik> OxDeadC0de: I have run the command you provided.
[19:50] <larsivi> hai - after going through the motions to actually upgrade all the packages, ibex is mostly working for me - but not Ctrl+F (!) in konqueror
[19:50] <larsivi> anyone know what to look for?
[19:50] <OxDeadC0de> draik I just had a thought, does sudo modprobe nvidia give any errors?
[19:51] <jmichaelx> i am liking 8.10 much more than i thought i would. i was really pissed that i was being forced to abandon kde3 if i wanted intrepid.... but, i must sheepishly admit that it's pretty nice ^.^
[19:51] <mog_> hello
[19:51] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Nope.
[19:51] <mog_> i'm ubuntu , i was here afternoon on the "ubuntu" name
[19:52] <psyco> jmichaelx: i agree, I totally love the looks, but so far, nothing is working at all
[19:52] <larsivi> mog_: not very smart to use such a nick :)
[19:52] <jmichaelx> mog_: so YOU'RE that 'ubuntu' guy that keeps showing up in here!!
[19:52] <draik> mog_: Everyone is ubuntu when they join with the LiveCD or such.
[19:52] <jmichaelx> psyco: what issues are you having?
[19:52] <psyco> jmichaelx: right now, adept, no list is showing up when I do a search
[19:53] <OxDeadC0de> draik: try startx again as your other regular user (the test one you ade)
[19:53] <psyco> change inng the "upgradable filter" sorta fixes this
[19:53] <OxDeadC0de> draik: now that you have added r/w perms to all users for the nvidia devices.. which you *shouldn't* have to do :/
[19:53] <psyco> so i can see some, but nto rnearly close enough to the many packages I should see.
[19:53] <psyco> not nearly*
[19:53] <Dragonath> what is the state of the fglrx driver? can it do 3d acceleration reasonably well or not?
[19:54] <mog_> ok, i've installed kubuntu 8.10 on my pc 512MB RAM , 30GB HDD and processor AMD Sempron 1.8Ghz
[19:54] <jmichaelx> psyco: i dunno, but the new adept seems worthless to me. i am using either synaptic, or more frequently aptitude from the terminal
[19:54] <psyco> jmichaelx: good idea
[19:54] <mog_> and i find kubuntu more fast than ubuntu with gnome , few strange no?
[19:54] <larsivi> not really
[19:55] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keygiving up.
[19:55] <psyco> is there a way to get adept kde 3 back easily?
[19:55] <psyco> meh, nvm
[19:55] <psyco> i liked synaptic better
[19:56] <jmichaelx> psyco: i seriously doubt it. just use synaptic
[19:56] <mog_> ok , ah it's JohnFlux2 you give me a link about compiz on VIA Unichrome S3G graphic card
[19:56] <newton> hello
[19:56] <geri> hi is there a gui based openvpn cleint tool for kubuntu?
[19:56] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: xinit Resource temporarily unavailable (errno 11): unable to connect to X server
[19:56] <Inquisitor> Does anyboby know why Ubuntu 8.10 doesn't support Xen virtualization?
[19:56] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error.
[19:56] <newton> on a fresh install, what should i install in kde?
[19:56] <mog_>  JohnFlux2 ?
[19:56] <newton> youtube does not work
[19:56] <Roey> Inquisitor:  it has it enabled by default, thereby making nvidia not work
[19:56] <mr_clark> Hi guys. Playing with LTSP. Got it working fine with Ubuntu 8.10 but I really want KDE4. Why doesn't the alternate kubuntu disk offer LTSP install?
[19:57] <Roey> :P
[19:57] <jmichaelx> Inquisitor: it doesn't? you may need to use the alternate install CD to select the correct kernel, but i would be fairly sure that xen support is available
[19:57] <OxDeadC0de> enzo_ / draik: make sure the .Xauthority file doesn't exist
[19:57] <mog_>  JohnFlux2 are you here?
[19:57] <jchonig> Argh, going from 7.10 to 8.10, Kwin will not run on my second monitor (not Twinview or Xinerama), any ideas?  X knows it is there, just not Kwin
[19:58] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Ok. Let me try again
[19:58] <trappist> does dolphin not know how to peek into directories to pic an icon based on their contents?
[19:59] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: xinit: Interruped system call (errno 4): unable to connect to X server
[19:59] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error.
[19:59] <mrunagi> anyone know how to fix the 'cannot commit changes' message when upgrading?
[19:59] <Dragnslcr> newton- probably Flash
[19:59] <mog_> ?
[19:59] <mog_>  JohnFlux2 ?
[19:59] <kkerwin> Hi. Has anyone had any problems with the fglrx driver and Ubuntu 8.10 (kernel 2.6.27)?
[20:00] <OxDeadC0de> enzo_ kill all your xorg sessions, remove all .Xauthority files, and try again :/, this is bugging me that it won't work :P
[20:00] <jchonig> Is there magic to getting KWin to run on the second screen?
[20:00] <howtoo> somebody else has problems with kubuntu 8.10 and alsa sound for 82801I chip?
[20:00] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Ok. Just a sec.
[20:01] <psyco> where do I change shortcut keys like "switch to desktop 2"
[20:01] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: Trying it now
[20:01] <mog_> ok
[20:01] <mog_> infact
[20:02] <enzo_> I'm in!
[20:02] <OxDeadC0de> yay finally!!!
[20:02] <mrunagi> lol i dont guess im upgrading
[20:02] <ardchoille> psyco: systemsettings > Computer Administration > Keyboard & Mouse?
[20:02] <vasilisa> you guys will love this
[20:02] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: Let me reboot and see what happens
[20:02] <OxDeadC0de> enzo) good luck!
[20:02] <vasilisa> i went "sudo rm *" in my /etc/libs folder
[20:02] <psyco> ardchoille: I rhink so, good call
[20:03] <mog_> i would try to run compiz-fusion with VIA Unichrome S3G graphic card
[20:03] <psyco> yup, thanks!
[20:03] <vasilisa> greatest epic fail moment of my life
[20:04] <ardchoille> vasilisa: /etc/libs ?
[20:04] <jmichaelx> vasilisa: i saw a great video on youtube of someone rm -rf-ing their entire filesystem
[20:04] <vasilisa> ardchoille: no /usr/libs
[20:04] <vasilisa> its where all the dynamically linked binary files go
[20:04] <vasilisa> so if you erase it... yeah
[20:05] <vasilisa> so anyway, thats why i finally upgraded from gutsy to hardy
[20:05] <enzo_> jmichaelx: Got a link to that? Was it a spoof or were they being an ass about it?
[20:05] <pulaski> Hello, does anyone know how I can obtain the "rquotad" daemon?
[20:05] <mog_> nobody?
[20:05] <Dragnslcr> !info rquotad
[20:05] <Dragnslcr> !info rquota
[20:06] <jmichaelx> enzo_: i would have to look. no, the person did it on purpose, with 'born to be wild' playing as accompanying music
[20:06] <john-charles> Hi all, i've been running kde4.1 under 8.04 for a while, I had also setup pulseaudio as my sound server, configured phonon to use pulse. I had hoped that in 8.10 pulse would be configured by default. I can reconfigure it, but I am wondering if there are any new instructions for doing it?
[20:06] <vasilisa> he probably had it backed up and was reinstalling
[20:06] <enzo_> jmichaelx: LOL
[20:06] <jmichaelx> vasilisa: well, hopefully you were able to save your data, and all is alright now?
[20:06] <newton> how do i install flash?
[20:07] <Dragnslcr> !flash
[20:07] <vasilisa> jmichaelx: yeah its fine. i just feel dumb
[20:07] <newton> adapt is sooo.... annoying... is there a synaptics for kubuntu?
[20:07] <john-charles> newton: flash now has a .deb package on there website, it actually works unlike the flashplayer-nonfree.
[20:07] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: Ok. There there is an issue with my main account.
[20:07] <jmichaelx> vasilisa: well, it is often those feel-dumb experiences that teach us the most. i have certainly had my share ^.^
[20:07] <vasilisa> i was trying to delete some libs so that i could see if my program would compile with said libs as part of the project, instead of the system.
[20:08] <newton> JohnFlux2: nice
[20:08] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: The main account cannot access X server while the new account can.
[20:08] <newton> ok
[20:08] <newton> thks
[20:08] <vasilisa> jmichaelx: true
[20:08] <psyco> ardchoille: its not working, I can set the shortcuts but then I press them nothing happens
[20:08] <ardchoille_> psyco: :(
[20:09] <OxDeadC0de> enzo_ did you remove the .Xauthority in your main account?
[20:09] <mog_> run graphical effect on VIA Unichrome S3G graphique card , nobody know how i do ? please
[20:09] <enzo_> Yes
[20:09] <jmichaelx> could someone possibly tell me how to enable the desktop cube in intrepid? i have been poking around, but nothing i have tried has seemed to work.
[20:09] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: Just before I rebooted the computer, I removed it
[20:09] <OxDeadC0de> enzo_ then umm, try ls -lha in your main account, see if any files belong to root
[20:09] <bill> Hello all
[20:10] <hazzy> jmichaelx: Did you install fusion-icon?
[20:10] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: ls -lha /home/draik ?
[20:10] <mopped> I'm trying to associate .ps files with okular, where can I find 'okular' (in what directory..)
[20:10] <OxDeadC0de> enzo_ exactly :)
[20:10] <ardchoille> enzo_: find ~ -user root
[20:10] <jmichaelx> fusion-icon? no, i had not heard of it
[20:10] <OxDeadC0de> enzo_ ardchoille's way is better ;)
[20:11] <hazzy> jmichaelx: sudo apt-get install fusion-icon
[20:11] <jmichaelx> hazzy: ty, will do
[20:11] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: Ok, runnning ardchoille's method
[20:11] <psyco> jmichaelx: its to handle compiz, makes stuff easier to configure
[20:11] <bill> Just upgraded to 10-8 it does not geet along with my video card.
[20:12] <Tm_T> bill: which is what?
[20:12] <enzo_> ~/.kde/share/apps/RecentDocuments/Xorg.0.log.desktop
[20:12] <bill> voodo 3..
[20:12] <enzo_> ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok/albumcovers/cache/130@nocover.png
[20:12] <OxDeadC0de> does xorg create any files in /tmp ?
[20:12] <OxDeadC0de> !pastebin | enzo_
[20:12] <psyco> how do I change my clokc to 12 hour instead of 24 hour?
[20:13] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: sorry. I can't pastebin from CTRL+ALT+F1
[20:13] <bill> right mouse click on the clock
[20:13] <OxDeadC0de> oh yeah :/
[20:13] <Tm_T> enzo_: tty1 you mean
[20:13] <Tm_T> and you can (;)
[20:13] <OxDeadC0de> enzo_ we're looking for files in your home folder though, not in subfolders of your home folder :)
[20:13] <enzo_> Well, the main thing here is ~/.kde/share/apps/kuser
[20:13] <psyco> bill: there is no time format setting
[20:14] <enzo_> Ok
[20:14] <Tm_T> just use magical commandline browser like lynx
[20:14] <enzo_> No, nothing there.
[20:14] <enzo_> Tm_T: I have lynx but don't recall using it in quite some time.
[20:14] <mog_>  JohnFlux2 please are you available few minutes ?
[20:15] <bill> Your right. Sorry..I'm 0 for 3 today.
[20:15] <kkerwin> Hi. I'm on 8.10 w/ kernel 2.6.27 and I'm trying to setup the fglrx driver. aticonfig segfaults with the following: Nov  2 13:38:37 kerwin kernel: [81872.270803] aticonfig[24966]: segfault at c ip 080539fd sp bfb12790 error 6 in aticonfig[8048000+34000]
[20:15] <OxDeadC0de> enzo_ try chown draik:draik /home/draik -R
[20:15] <kkerwin> * above is from dmesg/syslog. The segfault is preventing me from configuring X11 to use the fglrx driver, and so I am stuck on VESA at the moment. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
[20:16] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: Done. Had to be done with sudo, BTW.
[20:16] <OxDeadC0de> did that help? ^^
[20:17] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: I'll check. Just a moment
[20:17] <OxDeadC0de> if not, you can always simply backup your home folder (mv /home/draik /home/draik-backup), erase the draik user, then re-add it
[20:17] <OxDeadC0de> make sure you have another admin user before doing that though (or have set a password to the root account so you can log into that)
[20:17] <miguel> Hola
[20:18] <jm> hi
[20:18] <jm> I installed Kubuntu and seems ok
[20:18] <jm> however, I'm getting a messed up image somethimes
[20:19] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: ummmm....
[20:19] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: WOOHOO! WE GOT IT!
[20:19] <OxDeadC0de> enzo_ yay!!!!!!!!
[20:19] <jm> like a flicker...        every 5 or 10 seconds
[20:20] <jm> any ideas, guys?
[20:20] <jmichaelx> hmm, there are some things that fusion-icon will not allow me to select
[20:20] <ardchoille> OxDeadC0de: May I pm you?
[20:20] <draik> SWEET!
[20:20] <tokah> does krandr work for anyone
[20:20] <hazzy> jmichaelx: Such as?
[20:20] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Now, onto more pressing matters.
[20:20] <kkerwin> tokah: Aye.
[20:21] <OxDeadC0de> ardchoille if you wish :)
[20:21] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Do you.. or do you not... in fact.. know... the word?
[20:21] <jmichaelx> hazzy: well, snow, for example
[20:21] <OxDeadC0de> draik: which word? :P
[20:21] <tokah> kkerwin, for some reason my does nothing but change the resolution, if i want to change were one monitor is i have to use xrandr in terminal
[20:21] <draik> OxDeadC0de: B-b-b--b-b-b-BIRD BIRD BIRD, Bird is the word...
[20:21] <larsivi> anyone about not working ctrl+f in konqueror?
[20:22] <kkerwin> tokah: Lo siento, but I'm afraid that I can't help you there ... :-(
[20:22] <hazzy> jmichaelx: Ah, interesting...I'll upgrade compiz-fusion and tell you whether I experience the same
[20:22] <kkerwin> Hi. I'm on 8.10 w/ kernel 2.6.27 and I'm trying to setup the fglrx driver. aticonfig segfaults with the following: Nov  2 13:38:37 kerwin kernel: [81872.270803] aticonfig[24966]: segfault at c ip 080539fd sp bfb12790 error 6 in aticonfig[8048000+34000]
[20:22] <Kubuntu_N00b> seems nice, but that flickering is damn annoying
[20:22] <kkerwin> * above is from dmesg/syslog. The segfault is preventing me from configuring X11 to use the fglrx driver, and so I am stuck on VESA at the moment. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
[20:24] <Kubuntu_N00b> this thing is troublesome... any ideas what it is and how to fix it?
[20:25] <mog_> can you help me please?
[20:25] <hazzy> Don't ask if we can help you, just ask the question
[20:25] <draik> What is the command to see if I have glx running on this?
[20:26] <jchonig> jchonig anyone on zaphoding and 8.10?
[20:26] <jt66> !please >mog_
[20:26] <OxDeadC0de> draik: glxinfo
[20:26] <mog_> sorry ok
[20:26] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Oh yay! Segfault!
[20:26] <Kubuntu_N00b> So... nobody can help me with that?
[20:27] <rien-ne-va-plus> hi everyone, ive got a problem with kubuntu - how do i get the files off my mobile phone using bluetooth?
[20:27] <OxDeadC0de> draik crud, yet more problems.. how'd you end up getting all these issues to begin with?
[20:27] <draik> I upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10
[20:27] <rien-ne-va-plus> and why are the bluetooth tools only accessible via console?
[20:27] <hazzy> Kubuntu_N00b: Sorry, no ideas
[20:28] <mog_> so, i would run compiz-fusion on VIA Unichrome S3G graphic card
[20:28] <Kubuntu_N00b> That's so bad... Kubuntu looks leaps and bounds better than ubuntu
[20:28] <Kubuntu_N00b> but that flickering is going to make me kill someone
[20:28] <OxDeadC0de> draik: can you pastebin your xorg.conf?
[20:28] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Sure. Just a nano
[20:28] <OxDeadC0de> !pastebin
[20:29] <mog_>  JohnFlux2 are you busy ?
[20:29] <hazzy> Kubuntu_N00b: Try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=482398
[20:30] <draik> OxDeadC0de: http://paste.ubuntu.com/66409/
[20:31] <howtoo> anybody know of some good ipod software for linux? preferably QT4 =)
[20:31] <mog_> i search a web site link about compiz-fusion with VIA Unichrome S3G graphic card
[20:31] <howtoo> and, it should be girlfriendly
[20:31] <howtoo> =)
[20:31] <coreymon77> howtoo: well you can do the most girl friendly thing of all and just run itunes with wine?
[20:31] <Kubuntu_N00b> hmm... not exactly my case...
[20:32] <Kubuntu_N00b> it's like everything messes up on the Screen, but rearrange on a split second
[20:32] <Kubuntu_N00b> like a glitch
[20:32] <coreymon77> afaik wine can run itunes
[20:32] <OxDeadC0de> draik: try making it look like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/66411/ (Without all the modelines in the monitor section, those are there for when I launch fullscreen apps like wine games that have a smaller resolution, so it uses the right refresh rate for my lcd)
[20:32] <coreymon77> but theres also amarok and other stuff like that
[20:32] <rien> is there any software to use kubuntu with a mobile phone via bluetooth?
[20:32] <ardchoille> howtoo: I was told amarok can handle ipods
[20:32] <OxDeadC0de> and remove the pci-id from the device section
[20:32] <coreymon77> ardchoille: it can
[20:33] <ardchoille> ah, ok
[20:33] <howtoo> oh, sweet
[20:33] <coreymon77> howtoo: what ipod btw
[20:33] <Kubuntu_N00b> it's kubuntu related as that doesn't happens with Xubuntu or Ubuntu
[20:33] <Kubuntu_N00b> so, there must be something related to KDE
[20:34] <howtoo> coreymon77: uh, dunno
[20:34] <OxDeadC0de> draik: I mean the busid, yours is probably different
[20:34] <howtoo> 4gb
[20:34] <coreymon77> howtoo: is it a touch?
[20:34] <hazzy> Kubuntu_N00b: What kind of graphics card do you have?
[20:34] <howtoo> nope
[20:34] <Kubuntu_N00b> Intel Integrated
[20:34] <coreymon77> howtoo: okay then, amarok can do it
[20:34] <howtoo> coreymon77: cool =)
[20:34] <ardchoille> coreymon77: amarok can't handle the touch?
[20:35] <Kubuntu_N00b> Intel Mobile 915GM
[20:35] <coreymon77> ardchoille: most things have issues with the touch
[20:35] <coreymon77> ardchoille: with one of those, youre better off wine'ing itunes
[20:35] <ardchoille> ok, I'll remember to not buy the touch
[20:35] <OxDeadC0de> draik: so like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/66414/
[20:35] <coreymon77> ardchoille: i have one, and not to say i dont love it (especially after jailbreaking) but, many things have issues with it
[20:36] <draik> http://paste.ubuntu.com/66415/
[20:36] <Kubuntu_N00b> Intel Mobile 915GM, hazzy
[20:36] <coreymon77> ardchoille: then again, i have a mac to handle my ipod anyways :P
[20:36] <hazzy> Kubuntu_N00b: Alright
[20:36] <ardchoille> hehe
[20:36] <OxDeadC0de> draik: remove the subsection display too
[20:36] <OxDeadC0de> draik: those rely on the modelines existing in the monitor section
[20:36] <OxDeadC0de> draik: just copy/paste the last one I posted ;)
[20:37] <Kubuntu_N00b> also, it's not Compiz related as I shutted it down and still getting this weird thing
[20:37] <hazzy> Kubuntu_N00b: PM me the output of lsmod
[20:38] <jussi01> !paste
[20:38] <SiDi> Hi peeps
[20:38] <hazzy> Err, ok, pastebin
[20:38] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Done.
[20:38] <draik> Reboot?
[20:38] <OxDeadC0de> draik just control+alt+backspace, it will restart xorg
[20:38] <Julien> Hi!
[20:38] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Ha! Forgot about that.
[20:38] <draik> Hope to be right back...
[20:38] <jussi01> draik: wait!
[20:39] <jussi01> doh!
[20:39] <enzo_> jussi01: What?
[20:39] <OxDeadC0de> jussi01 he still has a user on this chat, , enzo_ is him too ;)
[20:39] <jussi01> OxDeadC0de: you need alt+e as well after the ctrl alt backspace...
[20:39] <Julien> How can I change the theme in Kde 4.0?
[20:39] <jussi01> enzo_: ^^
[20:39] <OxDeadC0de> jussi01 alt+e?
[20:40] <jussi01> OxDeadC0de: ctrl alt backspace takes you to the kdm login, but doesnt actually restart x
[20:40] <jussi01> alt+e at kdm login actully restarts x
[20:40] <OxDeadC0de> jussi01 it kills xorg, kdm starts another x session
[20:40] <enzo_> yup
[20:40] <jtechidna> yup
[20:40] <SiDi> !wiki change theme
[20:41]  * SiDi slaps ubottu 
[20:41] <jussi01> SiDi: !!!
[20:41]  * enzo_ slaps SiDi
[20:41] <SiDi> Well, Julien's wondering, and all of you do know the answer !
[20:41] <jussi01> !owner > SiDi
[20:41] <hazzy> Kubuntu_N00b: This didn't happen in Ubuntu?
[20:41] <Kubuntu_N00b> nope
[20:41] <Kubuntu_N00b> neither in XFCE
[20:42] <enzo_> I'm curious...
[20:42] <enzo_> !owner
[20:42] <enzo_> Ah
[20:42] <ardchoille> it's jussi01's bot :)
[20:42]  * SiDi slaps jussi01 then.
[20:42] <enzo_> jussi01: Well, that makes it double
[20:42]  * SiDi runs.
[20:42] <enzo_> WTH?
[20:43] <jussi01> enzo_: ?
[20:43] <OxDeadC0de> enzo_ ?
[20:43] <enzo_> SiDi just slapped jussi01
[20:43] <hazzy> Kubuntu_N00b: Sorry, I have no other ideas
[20:43] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: :( It didn't work
[20:43] <OxDeadC0de> enzo_ xorg still starts though right?
[20:43] <Kubuntu_N00b> thanks, hazzy
[20:44] <Kubuntu_N00b> i guess that I should go back to Gnome then... this flickering or glitching or whatever is killing my eyes
[20:44] <enzo_> OxDeadC0de: Nope. Took me to the TTY1
[20:45] <enzo_> Restored mine right now and I'm back into Kubuntu
[20:45] <OxDeadC0de> enzo_ hmm, try erasing the DefaultDepth line from xorg.conf
[20:45] <enzo_> Why doesn't Yakuake remember my settings for 100% width and 50% height?
[20:45] <OxDeadC0de> enzo that might require the subsection display to exist, which we removed
[20:46] <OxDeadC0de> enzo_ kde doesn't kill it properly, simply set it to your preffered settings, then close yakuake via the close button on it, then restart it
[20:46] <enzo_> Was about to do that. Thanks
[20:47] <snikker> hi, i've updatd to 8.10 and now i can't read the name of files that contain iso8859-15 chars, can you help me please?
[20:47] <OxDeadC0de> /w enzo_ and to get glx to work, try this xorg.conf then :/, if it doesn't work restore yours again ^^ http://paste.ubuntu.com/66420/
[20:47] <OxDeadC0de> oops :P
[20:48] <draik> OxDeadC0de: I'm about to use the Hardware Drivers to enable nVidia
[20:48] <OxDeadC0de> draik: that's a good idea ;)
[20:49] <gsa10132> is Azureus the commonly used bittorrent client on Linux? I'm about to give up on that.. I have opened both the UDP and TCP ports (internally and externally), have uPnP activated, and ports are forwarded, but I still can't connect to other peers..
[20:49] <draik> gsa10132: Why not use ktorrent?
[20:49] <OxDeadC0de> gsa10132 I typically use uTorrent with wine
[20:49] <gsa10132> hmm, yeah, I'll probably try something else.. Azureus is just killing me..
[20:50] <draik> I used Azureus about 2-3 years ago when I was using windows XP
[20:50] <vurv> where do you go to get more window decorations for KDE4?
[20:50] <OxDeadC0de> kde-look.org
[20:50] <vurv> OxDeadC0de: which category though?
[20:50] <rien-ne-va-plus> does anybody around here know a good software to use your mobile phone with kubuntu?
[20:50] <rien-ne-va-plus> like data exchange?
[20:50] <vurv> i just upgraded to Intrepid last night
[20:50] <vurv> so this is my first time in KDE4
[20:50] <OxDeadC0de> vurv: the window decorations section?
[20:51] <vurv> OxDeadC0de: so the 3.x ones apply to 4?
[20:51] <draik> OxDeadC0de: I can't get it to activate. pressing the button doesn't do anything.
[20:51] <OxDeadC0de> vurv: there's a native kde4 section
[20:51] <OxDeadC0de> draik: could the existing install of the nvidia drivers you have going be conflicting with it?
[20:51] <vurv> OxDeadC0de: yeah, i'm totally blind
[20:51] <vurv> just saw that
[20:52] <draik> OxDeadC0de: At the bottom, it says that an older version of this driver is in use.
[20:52] <draik> OxDeadC0de: IIRC, that didn't stop me last time
[20:53] <OxDeadC0de> draik: Ahh, well, you can either remove it, or in the section "Device" add: driver "nv" to make sure it's not in use (and sudo rmmod nvidia - after restarting xorg with the nv driver)
[20:54] <OxDeadC0de> in xorg.conf
[20:57] <janorcutt> ayo ppl wats krakin
[20:57] <psyco> ntm just all hatin on dem bugs
[20:58] <janorcutt> damn baby kde 4 got a few
[20:58] <psyco> XD no shiz
[20:58] <Dragnslicer> Is it my imagination, or did the 8.04 -> 8.10 upgrade not add a grub entry for the new kernel?
[20:59] <janorcutt> dont know bout upgade i came from gentoo peeps
[20:59] <psyco> o-m-f-g
[20:59] <rien-ne-va-plus> does kdebluetooth4 work? it doesnt work for me. is there a patch?
[20:59] <psyco> SMB is wokgin again for me
[20:59] <janorcutt> wat
[21:00] <psyco> i've missed smb for sooo long  and its finally back XD
[21:00] <janorcutt> just transfered all my media with smb... omg so good
[21:02] <Dragnslicer> rien-ne-va-plus: the release notes say that Bluetooth doesn't work in Kubuntu 8.10 yet
[21:03] <janorcutt> probably have to revert ot an earlier vers of the bluetooth stack
[21:03] <janorcutt> also make sure its enabled in the kernel
[21:05] <rien-ne-va-plus> how can i install kdebluetooth3?
[21:05] <janorcutt> use apt-get install
[21:05] <jtechidna> rien-ne-va-plus: it's not a problem on kde's end
[21:05] <jtechidna> bluetooth broke it and kdebluetooth needs an update
[21:05] <jtechidna> since kdebluetooth for kde3 is broken it wouldn't work either
[21:06] <jtechidna> er, since kdebluetooth for kde3 is older
[21:06] <janorcutt> if the blurtooth works...
[21:07] <jtechidna> They updated the bluetooth stack, which broke kdebluetooth
[21:07] <jtechidna> the current kdebluetooth needs updated to cope with the changes
[21:07] <janorcutt> not sure my end
[21:08] <janorcutt> bluetooth worked last time i checked with 8.04
[21:08] <jtechidna> since kde3's kbluetooth is older than kde4's kbluetooth, there's no way it will work
[21:08] <tacosarecool> hello
[21:08] <janorcutt> y not, linux is so versitile, it can be made to work
[21:09] <tacosarecool> favro I just reinstalled the proprietary drivers it works fine now
[21:09] <tacosarecool> I'm pretty sure
[21:09] <tacosarecool> Anyway thanks for your time bye
[21:09] <Adam24_> I've got a question.
[21:10] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Your last xorg.conf did it.
[21:10] <OxDeadC0de> draik cool :), grats
[21:10] <janorcutt> yes adam
[21:10] <snikker> Adam24_: just ask the question
[21:10] <draik> OxDeadC0de: I know there's something else, but heck if I can remember right now. Oh well. Thanks for all the help. Much appreciated.
[21:11] <OxDeadC0de> draik: any time :) glad to be of service
[21:12] <Adam24_> is Kubuntu 8.10 a modified version of KDE 4.1.2 or does it have a vanilla kde4 desktop by default?
[21:12] <draik> I remember now. How do I get rid of the menu on the left side of Konqueror?
[21:12] <OxDeadC0de> it's modified a bit, at least I know the python bindings for plasma were backported for kubuntu
[21:13] <jtechidna> Adam24_: it has several patches from KDE 4.1.3, taskmanager tooltips, as well as a customly-config'd panel
[21:13] <sourcemaker> how can I remove old kde3 programms in intrepid... which are not more required after upgrade from gusty...
[21:13] <jtechidna> where arrangement of applets have been modified
[21:13] <sourcemaker> like kpdf
[21:13] <Adam24_> but on the outside it still has the KDE square logo in the bottom-right corner?
[21:14] <jtechidna> on the outside of what?
[21:14] <draik> sourcemaker: sudo apt-get autoremove should take care of that for you
[21:14] <sourcemaker> draik: no... does not work
[21:15] <jtechidna> Adam24_: do you mean the menu launcher button in the bottom left?
[21:15] <jtechidna> if so, yes, that is the KDE symbol
[21:15] <frinuxfr> hi
[21:15] <sourcemaker> draik: it does not take care for that
[21:15] <rien-ne-va-plus> how do i downgrade my kdebluetooth4 to version 3 to make it work?
[21:15] <janorcutt> it still kde baby
[21:15] <OxDeadC0de> draik dunno about that one sry
[21:15] <frinuxfr> it seems the upgrade to 8.10 has some problems :-(
[21:15] <jtechidna> rien-ne-va-plus: it's not a matter of downgrading kdebluetooth
[21:15] <jtechidna> you'll need to downgrade bluetooth itself
[21:15] <frinuxfr> kde lost all settings
[21:16] <rien-ne-va-plus> o.O
[21:16] <frinuxfr> and I've got no task bar
[21:16] <frinuxfr> I wonder how to fix that
[21:16] <OxDeadC0de> rien: you can either boot to an older kernel which has the old bluetooth stack, or you can find another program that's been updated for the new bluetooth stack already, or wait for kdebluetooth to be updated
[21:16] <rien-ne-va-plus> alright
[21:17] <Cheaterman_> Hi everyone.
[21:17] <rien-ne-va-plus> which kernel version had the old bluetooth stack?
[21:17] <Cheaterman_> I'm tryin to boot a 6.10 CD on a comp and it doesn't work atm, all seems well but I get dropped to a blackscreen with a nice white _ blinking;
[21:18] <draik> Was katapult removed in Ibex?
[21:18] <draik> !info katapult
[21:18] <coreymon77> i dont think 6.10 is still supported, is it?
[21:18] <Cheaterman_> What am I supposed to do ? (except downloading hh or II)
[21:18] <Cheaterman_> coreymon77, nope it's not anymore
[21:18] <Cheaterman_> But I can't wait and DL another ISO
[21:18] <coreymon77> upgrade
[21:18] <Cheaterman_> Too long, and internet too slow for this (hey, this iso is like 700mb !)
[21:19] <coreymon77> use the torrents
[21:19] <coreymon77> they are much faster
[21:19] <Cheaterman_> DL is at 60kbps max :s
[21:19] <OxDeadC0de> cheaterman_ order a free cd? (shipit.kubuntu.org)
[21:19] <OxDeadC0de> but that would take longer than to d/l the iso
[21:19] <Tetracomm> Hello.
[21:19] <Cheaterman_> OxDeadC0de, I'm supposed to repair a PC right now :p
[21:19] <nejode> frinuxfr: kde3.5 or 4.1?
[21:19] <Tetracomm> I just installed a program using make install and this is the error I get when I try to run it, help?: http://pastebin.com/d56a830e
[21:19] <Cheaterman_> OxDeadC0de, exactly
[21:19] <Cheaterman_> I only lack of time atm
[21:19] <coreymon77> we cant help you, 6.10 is no longer supported, and the bugs in it are fixed
[21:20] <Cheaterman_> Eeeerf
[21:20] <Cheaterman_> Okay
[21:20] <coreymon77> the torrents are fast
[21:20] <Cheaterman_> Never mind then :s
[21:20] <coreymon77> try the others
[21:20] <draik> Is there an alternative to katapult?
[21:20] <jtechidna> draik: krunner, it's installed by default
[21:21]  * janorcutt is listning to Turisas - One More on Amarok
[21:21] <chrisruls00> Is there a way to change the key-binding of krunner?
[21:21] <Dragnslicer> Is it just me, or is Konsole very broken in 8.10?
[21:21] <Cheaterman_> Even if I got no help, thanks ^^
[21:21] <Cheaterman_> (Was prepared to it)
[21:21] <Cheaterman_> Have a nice day everyone
[21:22] <sourcemaker> can I use the following command... to remove kde3 programms using kde4? sudo apt-get --purge remove kdelibs4c2a
[21:22] <chrisruls00> Konsole is fine for me, my main problem is my NVidia 96 series driver isn't working, and for some reason when I type random short black lines flash on the screen real fast.
[21:23] <draik> jtechidna: That is the run command, same as ALT+F2.  I guess it's the same thing.
[21:23] <Dragnslicer> chrisruls00: sounds like the issue I just had. Check what kernel you're booted into
[21:24] <chrisruls00> how do I check that?
[21:24] <karl> in 8.10, why is vim-tiny installed by default, and not vim?
[21:24] <OxDeadC0de> chrisruls00: uname -r
[21:25] <karl> It took me a while to figure out why :syntax on wasn't working
[21:25] <chrisruls00> 2.6.27-7-generic
[21:26] <Dragnslicer> chrisruls00: try running the hardware driver manager
[21:26] <pwnu> anybody here running dropbox?
[21:26] <Dragnslicer> KMenu -> System -> Hardware Drivers
[21:26] <chrisruls00> I've already tried.
[21:26] <chrisruls00> the ubuntu and nvidia website both state 96 series dosen't work
[21:27] <jtechidna> there's an update to the 96 series coming
[21:29] <NamShub> I do not have sound in any non-kde apps...
[21:29] <NamShub> anyone know what might cuase that?
[21:29] <chrisruls00> yeah, thats what I've heard. I tried installing the new beta, and It actually installed unlike the other virsions, but when I configure xorg.conf the xserver just gives me a screen with multi-colored vertical lines.
[21:30]  * draik is listening to City by Hollywood Undead on Swan Songs [Amarok]
[21:30] <hazzy> Call the church police!
[21:30] <draik> LOL
[21:31] <hazzy> Peter: Listen Lois, I know you're a feminist and I think that's adorable, but this is grown-up time and I'm the man.
[21:32] <hazzy> Sorry, having too much fun with Uberscript
[21:32] <howtoo> somebody else has problems with hda_intel sound in 8.10?
[21:32] <draik> Peter: You'd better watch who you're calling a child, Lois. Because if I'm a child, you know what that makes you? A Pedophile. And I'll be damned if I'm gonna be lectured by a pervert.
[21:38] <hazzy> Why Beer Is Better Than A Woman. - Beer labels come off without a fight.
[21:39] <hazzy> Er, oops
[21:39] <XenThraL> I keep getting a message
[21:39] <XenThraL> in KDE or gnome
[21:39] <XenThraL> "art error"
[21:39] <XenThraL> something about CPU usage
[21:42] <ten_> Hi
[21:42] <iPwnU> anybody here running dropbox?
[21:46] <slow-motion> n8
[21:48] <Dragnslicer> Has anyone figured out how to fix this stupid knotify/phonon crash?
[21:51] <mrunagi> does anyone know how to fix 'could not commit changes' errors when trying to upgrade?
[21:53] <psyco> !info azureus
[21:53] <mrunagi> !commit
[21:53] <mrunagi> can you upgrade from the live cd?
[21:58] <W8TAH> hi folks -- lookin or suggestions -- i use IRC extensively -- on a variety of servers -- ive messed with the following clients - -with the associated problems -- konversation -- problems with notificatins - disabling shuts off ALL notification on a chan not just sound, KVIRC -- fantastic  -but very unstable, Xchat --works but ugly and not real feature rich, MIRC - dear lord WHY? kopete -- per channel notification (sound) does not work - - im looking fo
[21:58] <W8TAH> r ideas / input etc - -anyone have suggestions?
[21:58] <tbr281> whats the correct sudo command line for firefox3?
[21:59] <ardchoille> tbr281: firefox doesn't work for your user?
[21:59] <ArkoldThos> W8TAH: here konversation is working very nice :D
[22:00] <W8TAH> konversation is great -- except for the notification problem -- if that could be fixed -- id be on it in an instant -- but wehn i turn off sound notifications on a chan, it also disables the color change on the tab/tree and i loose track of the convos in the chan
[22:00] <tbr281> ok then what about kde4?
[22:00] <ArkoldThos> :/
[22:01] <tbr281> last time i was given an incorrect line and it screwed up my machine
[22:02] <W8TAH> ArkoldThos, i appreciate the suggestion
[22:03] <tbr281> ardchoille: tried installing FF3 and it gave me a beta that mozilla is currently working on
[22:04] <trv> I upgraded my system from kubuntu hardy to intrepid with kde4, and in nautilus, .doc files are associated with wine for some odd reason. If i right click, go at 'open with' and choose open office writer, and remember this association, it opens correctly, but it forgets the file association, so next time it wants to open it with wine again!
[22:04] <ardchoille> tbr281: firefox is in the repos. why did you install it manually? Testing purposes?
[22:04] <trv> this does not happen in konqueror though
[22:04] <tbr281> ardchoille: i did install from repos
[22:05] <ardchoille> tbr281: Then it should run fine with your user. I don't mean to be a pain but what exactly is the problem?
[22:05] <tbr281> thats why i'm asking to see if i made a mistake when i sudo'ed it
[22:05] <ardchoille> tbr281: check to see if any files in your home are owned by root;  find ~ -user root
[22:06] <ardchoille> I'll bet there are some and root shouldn't own any of the files in your home.
[22:06] <tbr281> just forget about it, i'm gunna try installing it once i get kde4 on here
[22:07] <Dragnslicer> Well, this upgrade wasn't as painless as it should have been
[22:07] <ardchoille> ok. but I just wanted to tell you that firefox is one of the apps that you should never have to run as root
[22:07] <tbr281> right
[22:07] <Dragnslicer> And knotify/phonon crashing doesn't seem to be fixed
[22:08] <tbr281> can you give me the correct command line for kde4?
[22:08] <ardchoille> tbr281: to run firefox as the root user?
[22:09] <tbr281> no
[22:09] <tbr281> just want to get kde4 and then i'll figure out the rest
[22:09] <ardchoille> tbr281: I've never had an upgrade go well so I don't mess with them, but I can do this for you
[22:10] <ardchoille> !upgrade | tbr281
[22:11] <Neutrinux> Hi. I'm new in here. I just installed intrepid, and the only thing not working is printing : when i do in a term "lpr file.pdf" it perfectly works. But when I print the same file from a graphic app only a blank page comes out. Is it known?
[22:12] <tbr281> thnx
[22:12] <ardchoille> yw
[22:13] <Traveler1> I just updated to Kubuntu 8.10 and when  I try and start it up, it comes up with "starting kdm" and "starting kdm-kde4" " cannot start kdm-kde4 Not default display manager", then drops to command login prompt
[22:14] <Traveler1> I just updated to Kubuntu 8.10 and when  I try and start it up, it comes up with "starting kdm" and "starting kdm-kde4" " cannot start kdm-kde4 Not default display manager", then drops to command login prompt
[22:14] <Neutrinux> maybe a dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[22:14] <Traveler1> kz
[22:15] <Traveler1> brb
[22:15] <Traveler1> I'll go try
[22:15] <larsivi> wtf is firefox doing? it is constantly using 18% CPU and I don't even use it beyond having it open - my 7 konqueror windows use nothing
[22:21] <emiliano> buonasera a tutti
[22:21] <emiliano> come faccio ad installare firefox3 su kubuntu senza tirarmi dietro mezzo gnome?
[22:21] <Traveler1> Neutrinux, didn't work
[22:21] <Traveler1> I just updated to Kubuntu 8.10 and when  I try and start it up, it comes up with "starting kdm" and "starting kdm-kde4" " cannot start kdm-kde4 Not default display manager", then drops to command login prompt
[22:22] <Traveler1> I just updated to Kubuntu 8.10 and when  I try and start it up, it comes up with "starting kdm" and "starting kdm-kde4" " cannot start kdm-kde4 Not default display manager", then drops to command login prompt
[22:23] <ardchoille> emiliano: italiano? espanol?
[22:23] <Dragnslicer> Traveler1: sounds like the problem I had, which was the new kernel version not being added to the grub menu
[22:23] <emiliano> ardchoille: italiano
[22:23] <W8TAH> Traveler1, repeating will only get you yelled at by the ops
[22:23] <ardchoille> !it | emiliano
[22:23] <emiliano> ok
[22:23] <Traveler1> Dragonath, how'd you fix it?
[22:23] <Dragnslicer> Traveler1- what does uname -r say?
[22:23] <Traveler1> I don't know
[22:23] <Traveler1> I'm at my neighbors house
[22:23] <Traveler1> xD
[22:24] <ardchoille> hehe
[22:24] <Dragnslicer> I fixed it by adding the menu entry for the new kernel
[22:24] <Dragnslicer> The problem is a conflict between the updated nVidia drivers and the old kernel
[22:25] <Traveler1> Dragnslicer, can you tell me how to do that in PM
[22:25] <Traveler1> =)\
[22:26] <Dragnslicer> Copy and paste the entries for the old kernel, then change the numbers
[22:26] <ardchoille> Dragnslicer: actually that is related to Kubuntu so probably best in channel so others can learn
[22:26] <Dragnslicer> ardchoille- I wasn't going to answer his message anyway
[22:26] <ardchoille> ok
[22:26] <Dragnslicer> I've been on IRC long enough
[22:26] <ardchoille> :)
[22:27] <Dragnslicer> s/long enough/way too long/
[22:27] <Traveler1> Dragnslicer, can you give me step by step instructions
[22:27] <Traveler1> in here then
[22:27] <Traveler1> ><
[22:27] <Dragnslicer> Not unless you can follow them one at a time
[22:28] <Traveler1> crap ><
[22:28] <Traveler1> my computer is at my house
[22:28] <Traveler1> I'm at a friends house
[22:28] <Dragnslicer> I changed the driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf from nvidia to vesa to get a semi-usable desktop, then opened /boot/grub/menu.lst in kate, copied/pasted the sections for the old kernel, and changed the numbers to the new kernel version
[22:28] <Traveler1> because i only have one computer
[22:31] <Traveler1> how do you edit a file in command?
[22:31] <Dragnslicer> nano
[22:32] <Traveler1> ty
[22:38] <yoan> hello
[22:40] <draik_> I don't have any audio with my laptop install
[22:40] <draik_> It's a fresh install from the LiveCD
[22:41] <Dragnslicer> Is there any way to get knotify to use something other than phonon?
[22:42] <draik_> !info yakuake
[22:52] <jussi01> draik: do you have more than one audiointerface?
[22:52] <axel> Hello! Is there Katapult or something similar in KDE4?
[22:52] <marekt> jussi01 i have simmilar problem but on desktop
[22:53] <jussi01> draik: check in system settings ->sound -> and set the correct device priority
[22:53] <draik> jussi01: No, just one.
[22:53] <marekt> axel, try alt+f2
[22:53] <marekt> its called krunner
[22:54] <ardchoille> how do you change yakuake skins?
[22:54] <axel> marekt: Tanks. Is it the same as in KDE 3.5?
[22:54] <draik> ardchoille: Menu > Configure Yakuake
[22:55] <draik> ardchoille: Appearance section is what you want, specifically
[22:55] <draik> jussi01: I only have one device listed in all sections.
[22:55] <marekt> axel it is different, but works simmilar
[22:56] <ardchoille> draik: there is no Menu > Configure
[22:56] <jussi01> draik: and you have checked in alsamixer all the volumes are up? (hint: alsamixer in terminal)
[22:56] <draik> ardchoille: When you press the down arrow at the bottom right corner of Yakuake, it shows the menu. At the bottom of the list, Configure Yakuake
[22:56] <axel> marekt: Thanks for the hint. I'll try it later.
[22:57] <draik> jussi01: I'll check in terminal, but yes.
[22:57] <ardchoille> draik: ah, ok, didn't see that tiny button. Thanks :)
[22:57] <draik> ardchoille: :) NP, any time.
[22:58] <draik> jussi01: Everything is in the red levels with the exception of Line and 2 "3D Contrl"
[23:00] <draik> jussi01: Ok, now everything is at 100
[23:01] <jussi01> draik: lappy od desktop?
[23:01] <draik_> laptop
[23:01] <jussi01> soundcard?
[23:01] <draik_> Generic sound card from Intel; came with Dell
[23:02] <humpback> Hello all
[23:02] <humpback> I installed Kubuntu 8.10
[23:02] <jussi01> draik: give me the full listing from lspci?
[23:02] <KDesk> How can I add a favorite (a directory, folder) in the kickoff menu witch has spaces? It adds the spaces like this  "Folder%20Name""
[23:02] <humpback> is there a simple way to change to Ubuntu or di I need to do a full install?
[23:02] <Dragnslicer> humpback- you can install ubuntu-desktop
[23:02] <deftone> humpback: change from a different distro?
[23:02] <axel> Now I have a different question: I intend to by a new cell wich should easily synchronize with KDE4 (beside contacs, tasks, dates also data). Other desirable features would be: GPS-receiver, programmable (there should be the possibility to write programs for it), G3/UMTS, WLAN (g-standard), IR)
[23:03] <jussi01> humpback: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[23:03] <axel> Does anybody know a cell matching these requirements?
[23:03] <jussi01> axel: N96.
[23:03] <thedark_> how do I install a python app?
[23:03] <jussi01> thedark_: which one?
[23:03] <thedark_> gdick
[23:04] <thedark_> it is a Korean-English dictionary
[23:04] <humpback> deftone: kubunto 8.10 to ubunto 8.10
[23:04] <draik_> !pastebin
[23:04] <draik_> !medibuntu
[23:05] <deftone> hmmm....i would do a full install of ubuntu 8.10.....in my opinion kubuntu has some serious bugs if u try to just get rid of kde4
[23:05] <draik> jussi01: Sorry for the delay. Never setup a default browser with the laptop yet.
[23:05] <axel> jussi01: Thanks. That phone seems really cool!
[23:05] <jussi01> axel: only thing Im not _certain_ on is the contact sync...
[23:07] <jussi01> axel: its very similar to the n95, so google around a bit
[23:08]  * hazzy gives Nobody Windoze XP
[23:08] <axel> jussi01: Thanks for the hint. The synchronization is the condition sine qua non: no deal without that.
[23:08] <thedark_> I have a setup.py
[23:08]  * hazzy gives Nobody GOD
[23:08] <thedark_> I assume I do something with that?
[23:08] <jussi01> thedark_: are you familiar with terminal commands?
[23:09] <deftone> what's the easiest way to remove firefox?
[23:09] <jussi01> thedark_: if so, then change to the directory that file is in, and do: ./setup.py
[23:10] <emiliano> how can I install firefox 3 on kubuntu without installing the gnome dependencies?
[23:10] <axel> deftone: I'd try: sudo apt-get remove firefox && sudo apt-get autoremove
[23:10] <jussi01> deftone: sudo apt-get remove firefox
[23:10] <deftone> that will remove all the dependencies?
[23:10] <axel> deftone: the command after && is for cleaning the system from packages that are not needed any more.
[23:11] <axel> deftone: It should.
[23:11] <deftone> k got ya...thanks guys
[23:11] <ardchoille> axel:  sudo apt-get remove --auto-remove firefox
[23:12] <thedark_> its giving me an error saying I need an additional command or something
[23:12] <ardchoille> axel: the --auto-remove was added not too long ago
[23:12] <deftone> ok that was weird....it didn't remove it at all...lol
[23:12] <axel> ardchoille: I didn't know that so far. Thanks for the hint.
[23:13] <ardchoille> yw
[23:13] <jussi01> emiliano: sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends firefox
[23:14] <jussi01> emiliano: that should give you the basics only.
[23:14] <hazzy> #kubuntu achieved a max peak of 378 users by client09 on Sun Nov  2 16:00:34 2008.
[23:15] <emiliano> i'll try tnxs
[23:16]  * hazzy gives jussi01 Tintin's father Herge
[23:17] <Wicked> hello all. is there any kinda program running by default that caches file locations? i know of updatedb....but im wondering if there is any in kde.....
[23:18] <Atomic_UE> Using Ubuntu 8.10 I installed kubuntu-desktop. When I'm in KDE the kNetworkManager  applet doesn't connect to anything unless I connect via the original gnome nm-applet. the kNetworkManager see and lets me enter passwords/settings for wifi networks but it won't actually connect or even try to connect to anything
[23:19] <jeiworth> skype 2.0.0.27 does not show own webcam-image, i.e. it does until i receive the video signal from my counterpart, anyone know anything about this? or is my skype-config crud?
[23:21] <thedark_> here is the error I get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/66486/
[23:22] <draik_> jussi01: Sorry for taking so long... http://paste.ubuntu.com/66487/
[23:26] <thedark_> anyone?
[23:26] <KDesk> I have deleted all window specific sizes but every time I open a program (kate, konsole, etc) the size is the same, the default. What can I do?
[23:26] <thedark_> I'm sure its a really simple problem...
[23:32] <benjamin_> does anyone know when openoffice will be rolled out to 8.04?
[23:33] <ardchoille> benjamin_: uhm OO.o ships with 8.04
[23:33] <coreymon77> benjamin_: it isnt in the repos yet?
[23:36] <draik> jussi01: Any luck with my lspci?
[23:38] <benjamin_> ardchoille: 2.4 does, yes, but i'm hoping for 3.0
[23:38] <ardchoille> benjamin_: Ah, ok
[23:38] <benjamin_> coreymon77: i was hoping adept_manager would update it for me...
[23:38] <draik> What is the purpose to showing the dashboard?
[23:39] <kevbuntu> hey everybody! this is my first visit to irc
[23:40] <coreymon77> kevbuntu: hi buddy, welcome!
[23:40] <kevbuntu> thank you!
[23:40] <kevbuntu> irc is really cool
[23:40] <kevbuntu> i like it
[23:41] <kevbuntu> can i connect to another channel in the same window? say linxforums.org?
[23:42] <Tann> Hello
[23:43] <deftone> what's the best terminal manager for ultimate ubuntu?
[23:47] <benjamin_> the version upgrade button doesn't appear in adept manager, is there another way to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10?
[23:47] <coreymon77> deftone: regular old terminal works perfectly fine
[23:47] <draik> !upgrade | benjamin_
[23:48] <draik> deftone: I like Yakuake. I have it in my ~/.kde/Autostart and it's just a button away
[23:49] <draik> kevbuntu: It's a window/tab per channel or server.
[23:50] <benjamin_> draik: any chance instructions exist for kde? I don't really know where the equivalent menus are at
[23:50] <draik> Same thing
[23:50] <draik> K Menu > System > ...
[23:50] <draik> It's all there
[23:50] <cn28h> How do I find the "restricted drivers manager" in Intrepid? I never bothered with them before, but with the compositing effects that are enabled now it's a little sluggish.. so I figured I'd see if proprietary drivers make any difference
[23:51] <draik> cn28h: K Menu > Application > System > Hardware Devices
[23:51] <draik> Sorry, Hardware Drivers
[23:52] <benjamin_> draik: in the "updates" tab in adept, there is no option for selecting "release upgrades"
[23:52] <cn28h> draik, it jut says that there are no proprietary drivers in use but doesn't give me an option to enable anything.. does that mean that none are available for my hardware?
[23:53] <draik> benjamin_: It's not in Adept
[23:53] <draik> cn28h: That may be the case or you don't have the restricted packages enabled/installed.
[23:53] <cn28h> ah
[23:53] <benjamin_> draik: then where else in kmenu > system should i look? there aren't all that many options in there
[23:54] <Nicho2> hi
[23:54] <draik> benjamin_: Hold up. Let me get the instructions from the site.
[23:55] <Nicho2> I tried to upgrade to kubuntu but now I only get a black screen when x11 should start up
[23:55] <Nicho2> the x server seems to be running though
[23:55] <Search4Lancer> hey all: I'm upgrading to Ibex, and it's stuck at 99% searching for obsolete software - but the reboot message came up and icon is in the bar -- shall I reboot now, or is it really still searching?
[23:55] <arrrghhh> so kde4 is kinda cool.  i miss some 3.5 stuff... but i'm hoping it'll get more configurable.  i'm wondering if anyone has experience setting up Xorg?  every dist-upgrade i've done it's been a hassle trying to get my separate X screens to work right.  i have twinview working now for one monitor, but the main monitor won't go to its max res.
[23:55] <draik> benjamin_: K Menu > System > Update Manager
[23:55] <draik> That is where it will all begin
[23:56] <Nicho2> even booting from the intrepid cd gives leads to a black screen on my system
[23:56] <benjamin_> draik: i don't have "Update Manager" I do have "Adept Manager", is that equivalent?
[23:56] <draik> No
[23:57] <arrrghhh> benjamin_, update-manager i believe is based on synaptic.  it's gtk at the least.
[23:57] <ardchoille> for anyone who wants to make a button to open yakuake, use this command: dcop yakuake DCOPInterface slotToggleState
[23:57] <arrrghhh> are you doing a dist-upgrade benjamin_ ?
[23:57] <benjamin_> found instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[23:58] <ardchoille> dcop rocks!
[23:58] <benjamin_> they're a bit different than the ubuntu ones, fyi
[23:58] <draik> ardchoille: A button?
[23:58] <kevbuntu> ok i got it. thanks man! how do I change my nickname??
[23:58] <draik> kevbuntu: use "/nick YourNewName"
[23:58] <ardchoille> draik: for any other means of opening besides the key
[23:59] <arrrghhh> benjamin_, best way i think is something like do-dist-upgrade or something like that.
[23:59] <draik> ardchoille: Gotcha. Side question, what's with DCOP and replacing ... I can't recall what it is now, but it replaced something.
[23:59] <kevbuntu> just right into the text line that i write my messages in??
[23:59] <ardchoille> draik: Hmm.. can't remember
[23:59] <arrrghhh> benjamin_, do-release-upgrade is the "best" way imho.