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ido-hrm. anyone around ?01:39
secion81can someone help with booting on a samsung q1 ultra?03:41
secion81Cricket... cricket...03:42
rbelemhi secion8104:02
secion81hi04:03
rbelemsecion81, maybe i can help you04:03
secion81Would be grateful.04:03
secion81I am trying to get ubuntu mobile running on my samsung q1 ultra.. Problem is that when i try to boot from the usb stick i just get a comma in the top left of the screen.04:03
secion81used dd to copy the image over from my ubuntu 8.10 install.04:04
secion81Any ideas why this wont boot?04:05
rbelemsecion81, maybe usb-creator could help you with this04:05
persiasecion81, What blocksize did you use?04:05
persiarbelem, I don't think usb-creator works with the USB images.04:06
rbelemoh! thanks persia 04:06
secion81102404:06
persiaYeah.  I just tried.  usb-creator can only process .iso files04:07
secion81BS=102404:09
persiasecion81, Running dd from which OS?  ido- Was saying about 12 hours ago that 512 worked better, although 1024 has always worked for me.04:09
persiaMind you, the 512 was from Windows, and the 1024 from Ubuntu.04:09
secion81ubuntu 8.1004:09
secion81I will try 512, see what happens04:09
persiaHrm.  I would have expected 1024 to work.04:09
secion81Do i have to format the drive with Gparted before hand?04:10
persiaShouldn't need to do so.04:11
secion81trying 512 now.. Will let you know..04:11
secion81Vista is on the Q1 now.. Does that make a difference?04:12
persiaIt shouldn't.  The Migration Wizard might run during the install, but that shouldn't be an issue.04:13
secion81hmm04:13
secion81nope, Still just get the apostrophe in the top right corner. Got the same trying to boot ubuntu 8.10 from usb04:15
persiaOdd.04:16
secion81Also.. Whenever I press any key on the samsung the USb key flashes and another apostrophe shows up on the screen.04:17
secion81If I keep pressing keys the screen will eventually fill up with apostrophes and the USb key will flash rapidly.04:17
persiaThat's different.  Hrm.04:18
secion81Am writing image to external HD.. Will see if that works..04:22
secion81Seems to be working with the external HD04:23
persiaMaybe just an issue with that key?04:24
secion81must be.. Not sure what brand it is but says 2G attache.. Time to buy a new key:)04:24
persiaI'd recommend running dd to blank the USB flash from /dev/zero, and reformat it.  Sounds like the boot sector is a bit funny.04:24
persiaNo, as long as you can still read the key, it works : probably just needs a reset.04:25
secion81well04:25
secion81I am now stuck at checking device /dev/sda.. b.. c.. d.. for installation source.04:26
secion81sleeps for 5 seconds then repeats.04:26
secion81any info on this?04:26
persiaHrm?  It should be a live session.  From where did you get the image?04:26
persiaIt sounds like you have the 8.04 image, which has a few issues, amoung which that it reformats the target device without warning.04:27
secion81Do you have a link to the correct image?04:27
persiaIn the /topic04:27
secion81I downloaded this from the ubuntu site but maybe the wrong one?04:28
persiahttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/release/ubuntu-8.10-umpc-i386.img 04:28
persiaWell, not wrong, so much as old.04:28
secion81k04:30
secion81is this based on 8.10? with 3g support?04:30
persiaYep.04:30
secion81duhh, says 8.10 in the download link04:31
persiaWell, actually, not so much based on, but part of.04:31
secion81got ya04:31
secion81well.. Now it just says "Boot Error"04:39
persiaThat would be a corrupted boot sector.04:40
secion81k.. Sorry for the newbieness here but how do i fix that?04:42
persiadd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX for a while.04:42
persiaThen, fdisk your drive and create a valid partition table.04:43
persiaThen overwrite that with a new dd.04:43
persiaI don't quite understand why this works, but it has worked for me a couple times.04:43
rbelemdd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=512 count=204:44
persiarbelem, count=2 is enough?04:44
rbelempersia, bs=512 will write zeros only to the boot sector04:45
secion81fdisk?04:45
rbelemsecion81, cfdisk is easier04:48
secion81i have fdisk running in cli? What do i se tthe cylinders to?04:48
persiaOr at least has a nicer interface.04:49
secion81keepps telling me i have to set cylinders04:49
rbelem:-)04:49
persiaDoesn't really matter.  You'll be overwriting it with the next dd anyway.  I'd recommend going for the largest.  Also, be sure that you're working on the usb drive.04:50
secion81k, seems to be working now. cool.04:58
rbelem:-)05:02
secion81thanks for the help bro. works good but still seems to need development.05:20
secion81would like to see grab and drag in the pdf viewer05:21
persiaThere's actually a lot of places it would be nice to have grab&drag : it mostly needs a means by which to have this be a runtime decision, rather than a compile-time decision, as I understand things.05:27
persiaThe reason being that most people don't want grab&drag on the desktop.05:27
mbufmy moblin image was created in July 2008; what is the best way to update it? cat /etc/apt/sources.list shows "deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports gutsy main restricted universe multiverse"05:32
persiambuf, Could you pastebin /etc/fstab?05:32
mbufpersia: "#UNCONFIGURED FSTAB FOR BASE SYSTEM"05:32
persiaOh my.  I'd recommend a reinstall from http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/ubuntu-8.10-mid-lpia.img05:33
mbufpersia: so, shall i remove the moblin-image-creator directory?05:34
persiatheoretically you could change "gutsy" to "hardy", run do-release-upgrade, and then change "hardy" to "intrepid" and do it again, but I've no idea how your filesystems are laid out, and this may run out of space.05:34
mbufpersia: yeah05:35
persiaYeah.  I'd recommend removing that directory, and purging that tool from your system.05:35
mbufpersia: where can i find instructions on installing and setting .img?05:36
persiambuf, What are you trying to accomplish?  Just an install on your device?05:36
mbufpersia: see if i can work on some bug-fixing?05:37
mbufpersia: yes, just install on laptop05:37
mbufpersia: i don't have any device with me;05:37
persiaDoes your laptop support kvm?05:37
mbufpersia: sorry, and how is that supposed to work? 05:38
mbufpersia: kvm is a hardware switch?05:39
persiaIt's a virtual machine environment.  apt-cache show kvm05:40
persiaI can't in good conscience recommend installing Ubuntu MID on a laptop, as the environment is fairly limited when not on a target device, but you can run it in a virtual machine, which is probably best if you want to look at bugfixing.05:42
mbufpersia: will do05:43
mbufpersia: i get kvm_interl module not loaded failed!05:44
mbuf*kvm_intel05:44
persiaWhat happens if you run modprobe kvm_intel ?05:50
mbufpersia: FATAL: Module kvm_intel not found; using lenny/sid with 2.6.18-5-68605:52
persiaHrm.  I thought lenny had 2.6.26.  I'm not sure how to advise you.05:52
mbufpersia: ok; i will look at documentation05:53
mbufpersia: thanks for your time05:53
persiaYou might try the kvm-source package with module-assistant.  I'm not sure if it works unless you update your kernel, but it may.05:53
mbufpersia: ok05:54
secion8i keep seeing a ribbon like interface? how do i ge tthis with the UMPC version?06:06
secion8like here http://www.jkontherun.com/2008/02/here-comes-ubun.html06:06
persiaHrm?  Which do you mean?06:06
persiaOh, I've never actually seen that image on a running device : I've always suspected it to be an artist's rendition.06:07
secion8ohh. i see.06:07
persiaYou might be able to do something like that with the appropriate flash movie and mobile-basic-flash on the MID image, although mobile-basic-flash isn't used by default anymore, so you'd probably need to do some hacking.06:08
secion8Also see it on the actual ubuntu site. Would be an awesome interface. http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile06:08
persiaThat page has never been accurate, really.06:09
persiaPersonally, having a device with an interface like that, I'll say that I find it a lot easier just to pick what I need from a grid launcher or a menu than from that sort of selector.06:10
persiaMight be interesting as an alt-tab implementation though.06:11
mbufpersia: i get 2.6.18-5-686 build errors, /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686/scripts/Kbuild.include: No such file or directory; i can try to use a newer kernel06:13
secion8I like the thought of a grid of squares that i can put my most used apps on. Such as shortcuts to web pages or documents.06:13
secion8yes, Would also be interesting as an app switcher.06:13
persiambuf, That's probably best.  I suspect that the maintainer has tested most recently with the current lenny kernel.06:13
persiasecion8, A number of people like the idea.  I have a couple devices that work like that, and I find I use the menu to open applications more than the launcher, but that might just be me (I tend to have a few things open).06:14
ian_brasilthis is the original clutter from moblin06:16
ian_brasilthere is some package from moblin with this IIRC06:16
persiaIsn't it mobile-basic-flash, just with different default settings than the current package has?06:18
ian_brasilno, it is moblin-clutter-home06:19
ian_brasilYou can browse the source from:06:19
ian_brasilhttp://git.moblin.org/repos/projects/moblin-clutter-home.git/06:19
ian_brasilYou can checkout the code via:06:19
ian_brasilgit clone git://git.moblin.org/projects/moblin-clutter-home06:19
ian_brasilor at least you used to be able to06:19
persiaAh.  That explains why I've not seen it : that package doesn't appear to be in the repos.06:19
ian_brasilthey have changed things around abit on moblin06:20
rbelempersia, it is in deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu hardy main06:20
ian_brasilFWIW i really liked this interface too06:21
persiarbelem, I try not to look there :)06:21
rbelem:-D06:21
persiaian_brasil, You think it ought get pulled into the repos for Jaunty?  Do you know if anyone has ported to newer clutter?06:21
StevenKNo, it isn't ported06:21
ian_brasili am working a.t.m with python clutter 0.8 which was released last week06:21
persiaI think james_w was working to try to get that into intrepid, but it was just too late.  I expect it to be in Jaunty.06:22
ian_brasilit has apparently got webkit python bindings too http://www.mail-archive.com/clutter@o-hand.com/msg01004.html but that is not in 0.8 yet06:29
rbelemi'm leaving06:31
rbelemg'night06:31
ian_brasilit is probably morning for most here i think!06:35
mbufpersia: installed kvm, kvm-sources, loaded kvm-intel on 2.6.26-1-686!08:03
persiambuf, Cool.  Now you should be able to run the ubuntu-8.10-mid-lpia.img in KVM, and experiment with it.08:04
mbufpersia: the URL is incorrect? http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/ubuntu-8.10-mid-lpia.img08:05
* mbuf downloads ubuntu-8.10-rc-mid-lpia.img08:07
persiaYeah, apparently the URL is incorrect.08:08
persiaogra?08:08
persiaLet me dig up a different working URL.08:08
mbufpersia: ok08:08
persiaYou don't want the RC image.08:08
mbufohh!08:08
mbufpersia: this one? http://ubuntu.media.mit.edu/ubuntu-releases/intrepid/ubuntu-8.10-mid-lpia.img 08:13
persiaPerhaps not surprisingly, the image servers seem to be a little loaded.08:13
persiaThat ought do just fine.08:13
mbufpersia: thanks!08:13
persiaNo, thank you for finding one faster than I could :)08:13
mbufpersia: :) the Ubuntu kernel and mobile team are different? or they just feed in updates to the mobile team?08:14
mbufpersia: most of the mobile team bugs are related to user applications08:15
persiaThe Mobile team and Kernel team are different.  There might be a couple people on both teams though.08:15
mbufpersia: ok08:15
persiaYeah.  The Mobile team mostly takes care of the set of packages that are in the default set for the mobile flavours.08:16
persiaSome of this is collaborative : for example most of the applications in the UMPC image are the same as in the Desktop image, so the Mobile team works closely with the Desktop team to make sure these applications work in both contexts.08:17
persiaSimilarly, the Mobile team tends to have more people with target hardware for mobile applications, so there is collaboration ebtween the Mobile team and the Kernel team to make sure the kernel supports the hardware in target devices.08:18
mbufpersia: i see08:18
mbufpersia: where can I get such hardware for testing? or can use a PC?08:25
persiambuf, You can use a PC, but it's such a low-DPI device, that everything will probably look funny.08:28
persiaYou also want a touchscreen.08:28
persiaDepending on where you live, you may be able to purchase target hardware at a local shop, or over the internet.08:29
persiaYou'd be looking ideally for something with a 4-6" screen and 1024x600 resolution with an Intel Atom processor.08:29
mbufpersia: ok, i will get one08:29
persiaI have a Sharp D4 for this.  A number of people have either the Aigo MID, or something similar based off the "jax10" platform.08:30
mbufpersia: i see08:30
persiaYou can do some testing with larger UMPCs, but they tend to be in the 150-200 DPI range, and you ideally want something in the 200-250 DPI range.08:31
persia(by comparison, a desktop monitor is usually in the 80-100 DPI range)08:31
mbufi see08:32
Bert_2Hi, if I install the ubuntu-mid package on intrepid the user interface doesn't fill with icons and gnome splash stays forever, is this a known bug or am I going something wrong ?09:30
Bert_2*doing09:30
persiaIt's a known issue.  I'm not sure I'd call it a bug, so much as a side effect of some choices made in the past that haven't yet been cleaned up.09:31
Bert_2persia: is there a way for me to fix it or make it work ?09:31
persiaEssentially, the MID stuff doesn't quite work right for anything other than lpia, and the Desktop or UMPC stuff doesn't quite work on lpia.09:31
Bert_2I see09:32
persiaWell, you're welcome to help try to fix it for Jaunty, but your best bet is to purge ubuntu-mid-default-setttings and ubuntu-mid from your current installation.09:32
persiaWith luck, that ought take care of most of the issues, and you will be able to boot cleanly again.09:32
Bert_2well, I really just want the nice interface with the row thing, is it possible for me to get that part wokring ?09:33
persiakourou only works well in a hildon-desktop context.09:33
persiaYou might be able to get netbook-launcher working though.09:33
Bert_2and those packages, are they more stable in hardy or in intrepid ?09:36
Bert_2persia: or doesn't it matter at all ?09:37
persiaThat's hard to say.  The intrepid packages are newer, and probably have a few more bugs fixed.09:38
persiaIn the sense of being unchanging, I'd say hardy and intrepid are about the same.09:39
persiaIn the sense of not making your system crash, I just don't know.09:39
Bert_2well, I'm now using the packages that came with intrepid by default, is there a more reliable or more stable ppa or is this it ?09:39
persiaAny ppa is likely less stable and less reliable than what is in intrepid.09:40
Bert_2persia: does your ppa have a working UI when it is installed on a basic intrepid ?09:40
persiaI don't think there are any packages in my ppa.09:41
Bert_2or another ppa ?09:41
persiaNot to my knowledge.09:41
Bert_2too bad :(09:42
Bert_2but thx for your help09:42
Bert_2I will have to find another way to make a 5-year old kid interface then09:42
Bert_2any suggestions ?09:42
persiaTry the netbook-launcher package.09:42
Bert_2is it in intrepid (cause it's no in hardy) ?09:43
persiaYes.09:43
Bert_2okey, I'm going to reinstall intrepid and try it out09:43
Bert_2thx09:43
crevettehi there11:46
pururuso in beta i was able to use wi-fi on aspire one if i disable foss driver in drivers applet (OS probably switched to another driver automatically), but in release now both drivers dosnt work12:22
ograwhat chipset is that ? 12:23
pururuAtheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)12:26
pururuthis is probably wrong answer12:26
pururubut this is what lspci say12:26
ChristianHi @all12:31
ChristianIs it possible to install MID in a normal ubuntu installation? Because, I think its the best sollution to use my old 7" Touchscreen.12:31
ograpururu, try installing linux-backport-modules ... 12:32
ian_brasilogra: that does not work12:32
persiaChristian, You just want the appropriate xserver-xorg-input-${driver}12:33
ograian_brasil, sure ? the ath5k in there should work12:33
persiaian_brasil, It works for some models, and not for other models.  Unfortunately, the PCI ID is the same for things that work and things that don't. :(12:33
ograwell, its like that aith the ath5k from 2.6.27 ... linux-backport-modules has the ath5k driver from 2.6.2812:34
ogras/aith/with/12:34
persiaI thought some models also didn't work with 2.6.2812:34
ogramight be12:34
persia(just a different set)12:34
ograbut afaik most of the AR242x ones should12:34
ian_brasilit has been a bit on/off recently ...a.t.m wireless is off12:35
ograits intresting though that madwifi didnt catch it12:35
ograpururu, can you check that linux-restricted-modules is installed ? 12:35
ian_brasiliam using the ath5k_pci driver12:36
ograthe one from lbm ? 12:36
pururui'm still doing apt-get update12:37
ograpururu, dpkg -l |grep linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)12:38
ograyou can run that in parallel12:38
pururuii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-7-generic 2.6.27-7.12                           Non-free Linux kernel modules for version 2.12:38
ogramadwifi should actually pick it up, but might have some connection probs with certain encryption mechanisms 12:39
ograweird12:39
loolian_brasil: ath5k_pci sounds seriously confused12:46
loolian_brasil: It's either madwifi and ath_pci or ath5k and ath5k :)12:46
pururulinux-backport-modules-intrepid ? this one ? i found many12:46
loolian_brasil: Either it works out of the box with default driver (madwifi) or you should try installing linux-backport-modules and it should be picked up by ath5k instead (do reboot though)12:47
loolpururu: What's your image?12:47
pururuE: Couldn't find package linux-backport-modules12:47
loolpururu: Either linux-backports-modules-intrepid-generic for the umpc image12:47
pururuyeah umpc12:48
loolpururu: Or hmm another name on lpia which I'm too lazy to check right now12:48
ian_brasillool: i have the backports installed12:50
ian_brasillshw -C network shows that the network is disabled12:51
ograpururu, its on eh image btw ... in the /debs dir12:51
ogra*the12:51
ian_brasilmaybe i should purge backports12:51
pururureboot12:51
loolian_brasil: Did you reboot?  which drivers get loaded on boot?  is this umpc or mid?12:52
ian_brasilit is umpc ..yes i rebooted12:53
ian_brasilhow can i find which drivers get loaded at boot?12:53
ogralsmod usually shows them in load order12:54
ograearliest at the bottom12:54
pururuyeah wi-fi now enabled and show wi-fi points available12:54
ogratry to connect :)12:54
ian_brasilath5k12:55
pururui dont have public points here... i found 3 password protected... so cant test connection12:55
ograah, you dont have your own then ... well, if connecting doesnt work, please tell us if you can :)12:56
ograit should though12:56
pururuokey12:58
pururualso any way to install new 2.5.0 intel driver ?12:58
pururui hope openarena will be faster12:58
loolian_brasil: lsmod13:10
ian_brasilath5k is loaded13:15
ian_brasilfor lbm_cw_mac80211 and lbm_cw_cfg8021113:16
ograis your kernel up to date ? teh broken ath5k was only disabled in the last upload13:16
ograbut lbm_cw_* looks fine13:17
ian_brasil2.26.27-7-generic13:17
ograwell, the lbm one should override/replace it anyway13:17
ian_brasildmesg gives ath5k gain calibration timeout can't reset hardware -1113:22
ian_brasilas well as lots of unknown symbols _ath_hal_attach _ath_hal_getwitelessmodes13:24
ian_brasiland so on13:24
ogratry removing linux-restricted-modules13:24
ian_brasili did that13:24
ian_brasilah no i didnt ..i will try that now13:25
ian_brasilthe unknown symbols errors have gone now but the gain calibration timeout remains13:34
ograwell, last resort, talk to rtg in #ubuntu-kernel13:36
ian_brasilogra: ok thanks13:36
pururui'm doing nothing special but my screen flickers periodically13:37
ograhe maintains the ath drivers (but isnt likely to be around on a sunday)13:37
loolian_brasil: So you're using lbm's ath5k; what's you wifi setup?13:38
loolian_brasil: open, wep, wpa, wpa2...?13:38
pururuand i see (EE) intel(0): underrun on pipe A!  errors in end of xorg log... dunno if it related to flickering13:38
loolpururu: That's pretty bad13:39
pururuwhy13:39
pururu?13:39
loolpururu: It sounds like your intel driver isn't keeping with the refresh rate13:39
loolLike, too slow13:39
loolYes, it's likely the cause of flickering13:39
loolNow, what are you trying to draw on your screen?13:40
pururuwhat you mean? 1680x1050@60 hz external display is too much for this laptop ?13:40
loolIt could be13:40
loolDepends; I don't know what triggers that13:40
ian_brasilwep 13:40
ogradoes the flicker stop if you lower it ? 13:40
pururuogra: lower what?13:41
loolian_brasil: Ok; I tested with wpa on some atheros chipsets, and it works for me; I suggest you file a bug with lspci -vvnn, dmesg output and stating that you're using lbm's ath5k with wep13:41
ograpururu, the resolution13:41
loolian_brasil: But your chip might not work; either at all, or in this mode, dunno13:41
loolian_brasil: Perhaps it's a channel or killswitch issue too13:41
pururuogra: i'll test it13:41
loolian_brasil: (like authorized channels not set properly)13:42
ian_brasillool: ok i will...it was working on and off during rc updates13:42
loolpururu: If your system is idle in terms of CPU usage, it's likely a driver bug though13:42
* ogra hasnt heard about such an issue with the intel driver we ship though13:43
loolfirst time for me as well13:43
loolbut on slow hw with high res external display it's not unlikely13:43
ograyeah13:43
loolThe jax10 has this 800 MHz atom CPU for instance; that's quite slow for nowadays standards, and I suspect the intel driver enables external res depending on available memory and bandwidth, not cpu speed13:44
pururulool: actually it maybe totem player playing music in background cause to flicker whole screen... now i moved it to 2nd workspace and flickering stopped...13:44
loolpururu: That sounds like an explanation13:45
ogrado you run any visualization plugin ? 13:45
loolNot enough bandwidth for full screen vis I'd guess13:45
pururuno... its just happened again13:45
pururuits vga connection (analog) but bandwidth is for digital connection, am i right ?13:45
pururuno viz plugins13:45
pururuand this is darkroom theme and special effects disabled13:46
pururuyes i see more (EE) intel(0): underrun on pipe A! errors in log13:46
pururuand CPU load is near 30% every core... so not 100%13:47
pururu(intel atom cpu)13:47
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loolpururu: So CPU is still quite loaded13:49
pururuyes, by gnome system monitor itself13:49
loolI'd try lowering the res as ogra suggested13:49
pururuok13:49
pururuno, it flicker again with 1024x768 res13:51
ograand thats with the default driver ? 13:52
pururuyou mean intel graphics driver? i'm not touched graphics drivers13:53
pururui still think this caused by totem... i cant remember flickering before i run totem... and i closed it now... and no flickering13:55
pururuand visual plugin is disabled in options13:56
pururueffects i mean13:57
pururuyeah no flickering since i closed totem13:58
hossiis ubuntu mobile free runnner (aka openmoko)?16:18
loolhossi: no17:50
hossi:/17:56
playya__hossi, you want to have ubuntu on your freerunnner?18:47
hossiplayya__: yes!19:03
playya__me too. maybe i start to write some openembedded recipes for ubuntu-mid19:03
hossiplayya__: would be awesome19:04
playya__i don't know where to start: n800 or freerunner19:05
hossifreerunner19:05
playya__hehe19:06
playya__but freerunner needs some more porting19:06
playya__i.e.: you have a 480x640 screen19:07
hossiyes19:08
playya__best thing which could happen: x-compile ubuntu-eee for n80019:12
secion8Hi everyone..22:05
secion8Has anyone here hacked the bluez BT wizard to allow or adjust the pincode to default to 000022:06
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