[09:13] <Tumie> boredandblogging: are you Nick Ali ?
[11:43] <Tumie> when Issue115 is published ?
[11:43] <Tumie> (ubuntuweeklynewsletter)
[11:43] <Tumie> It must come today, but it is still Work In Progress
[11:54] <tyche> Tumie: Yes, sometime today.  Usually released in the afternoon (AZ time, that is)
[12:00] <Tumie> tyche
[12:00] <Tumie> thanks
[12:00] <Tumie> then it is tomorrow here :p
[12:02] <tyche> Honest, we're working on it.  But some of it we don't do until the last minute, to get the latest results.  Statistics and upcoming meetings, for instance, which is what I'm working on now.
[12:03] <Tumie> ok, thanks, then i will tomorrow starting to translate it :)
[12:04] <Tumie> (it is now sunday in almost the whole world)
[12:05] <tyche> Great!  Glad to see someone so eager to translate it.   :-)  I don't often get to talk with someone who's on that end of it.  It's nice to see that there are people who find it worthwhile.
[12:06] <Tumie> i'm just started, issue115 will be my first.. (uwn-nl)
[12:06] <Tumie> i saw that uwn is there in a lot of languages, but not in dutch, so i started the project..
[12:08] <Tumie> there's only one small problem: i've gone to another school.. so don't have any friends,, so i spend all my free time on Ubuntu..
[12:09] <tyche> Yep.  Well, I started working on the UWN about  a year ago,  I remember being nervous that I'd make a mistake in something.  But it was a way for me to have something to do, now that I'm retired.  And even though it was a lot of work in a short period of time, it was still fun.
[12:09] <tyche> And we're no good at translating, ourselves, but we'll help in whatever way we can.
[12:10] <Tumie> i understand,, in america the only language you have to learn is english
[12:10] <Tumie> here we have: english, dutch, deutch, french
[12:11] <Tumie> i've already lost french (luckily),, next year i will get lost of deutch, then i only have dutch & english,,, :)
[12:12] <tyche> Yes, "have to" is a big part of it.  Another part is the fact that the schools just don't want to pay for more than they "have to".  So languages are low on the list.  I was caught in that trap, when I was growing up, and was never very good at languages because of it.
[12:13] <Tumie> i've one question, how do I get the dutch translate stats?
[12:13] <tyche>  https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy
[12:13] <tyche> brb
[12:13] <Tumie> ok, i will take a look
[12:16] <Tumie> i don't know what the untranslated were last week, do you have that??
[12:19] <tyche> Nope.  Not for Dutch.  Actually, we have usually left "over last week" blank when we didn't know for sure (since we just do the top 5 for the UWN).  So, if you're starting now, it would be reasonable to just leave it for this week, and do it next week.
[12:20] <Tumie> Ok, thank you :)
[12:20] <tyche> I usually do everything in a text file, and dump it in after I complete each section.  But you'll find you own way, I'm sure.
[12:20] <Tumie> Put it in the Issue, then next week, watch the last issue
[12:21] <Tumie> the whole issue's in text files: 115.txt , 116.txt , etc.
[12:21] <tyche> Sounds good to me.  You don't have the hassle of 3 to 5 people all trying to work on it at the same time.  Hee hee
[12:22] <Tumie> it's only me at work :) so, importent things to translate first, then simple, small things, then watch if i have time for large pieces
[12:22] <tyche> Yea,  That's pretty much what I did, except I never had the whole issue, just the areas I was assigned.  I DID have a template to work from that had the whole issue.  It's just I never filled it all in.
[12:22] <tyche> Sounds like a good plan
[12:22] <Tumie> i will just copy the english issue, then translate as much as possible, then delete the not translated things :)
[12:23] <Tumie> i hope i can translate the whole issue,,
[12:23] <tyche> Yep.  And over time, as your abilities increase and you get into a pattern of how to do it, you'll find more time to do even more.
[12:24] <Rafik> hello
[12:24] <tyche> Morning, Rafik
[12:25] <Tumie> time is not a problemm, i've over 4 hours a day to work on it,
[12:25] <Rafik> tyche, is there any news from the tunisian loco ?
[12:25] <Tumie> morning XD,, it is 13:25 here :P
[12:26] <Rafik> tyche, announced in the last UWN, the sfd was a great success for the Tunisian LoCo
[12:26] <Rafik> I blogged about it (but in french )http://rafiiik.blogspot.com/2008/11/rsultat-de-la-journe-du-logiciel-libre.html
[12:27] <tyche> Not that I recall seeing.  But one of the other guys may have seen something.  Sorry, I don't know French, so I wouldn't be able to do anything with it.
[12:28] <Rafik> tyche, can I try to write something in english ?
[12:31] <tyche> If you could write it as a blog, or with some sort of location that we could reference (link to), that would be great.  If you meant "write directly into the UWN", it would have to be approved by one of the chief editors (and then refer to the blog that's in french).  I'm not an expert on this.  I'm just an associate editor (gopher).
[12:37] <Rafik> tyche, here are the infos : SFD in Tunisia organized on october 29 (delayed because of Ramadan in this Muslim country). The Tunisian Team was there with a stand of about 10 PC + 2 sun servers + 5 sunrays. There was a conference "Ubuntu: the spirit, the OS and the community". Distribution of about 400 CDs + talks + workshops + install party
[12:39] <tyche> Rafik: Sounds like you had quite a party.
[12:40] <Rafik> yes
[12:40] <tyche> Now to show my stupidity:  What's a Sunray?
[12:41] <tyche> Obviously, made by SUN, but I'm a long way from when I worked on a SUN machine, and I haven't kept up.
[12:43] <Rafik> it's a little client we used to demonstrate vitalization on ubuntu server, i don't know how to describe it in english ^^
[12:43] <tyche> OH!  Ok, I think I get the picture.
[12:45] <tyche> Rafik: Can I ask you to translate the title of your article, please?
[12:46] <Rafik> mmhh.. it's like : results of the software freedom day
[12:47] <Rafik> tyche, please use the title you think it match more the content
[12:48] <tyche> OK, I see what I was trying to do with my ham-fisted very poor translating abilities.  I saw "journe" and immediately thought journal.  I didn't put it together with the rest.  Yes, your title looks good.
[12:49] <tyche> I'll pencil it in, and see what "the boss" thinks. (I can't pass on it myself).
[12:49] <Rafik> tyche, may be you can write a little paragraph using the infos i gave
[12:49] <tyche> BTW, NICE button for Ubuntu 810.  Looks very good.
[12:50] <Rafik> thanks ^^ it's the offical countdown badge
[12:51] <Rafik> tyche, the sun rays : http://picasaweb.google.com/mohkarb/SFDTunisia2008#5263405976702077506
[12:52] <tyche> Nice!  Sun sure has changed since I worked on one.  I had a Sparc Workstation 1+, which will give you an idea of how long ago I worked on one.
[12:53] <Rafik> i'm not an expert however :)
[12:54] <tyche> That, in a sense, is what got me interested in Linux.  I was looking around for something "UNIX" that was free.  Stumbled onto Linux, and was hooked.  Since 2004, I don't do Windows.  Hee hee
[12:56] <Rafik> :)
[12:57] <Tumie> tyche: when translation stats of intrepid will come in the issue ?
[12:58] <tyche> They're in now.  Sorry, I gave you the wrong link.  I hadn't updated my template (naughty me).  Intrepid is at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/
[13:03] <Tumie> oke :)
[13:03] <Rafik> tyche, i don't know if this info should be in the article but.. we convinced a person from the Fedora team to switch to Ubuntu :D :D  she went to the fedora stand to bring her laptop to ours. the install party stated with her :D
[13:03] <Rafik> s/stated/started
[13:05] <tyche> That's great information, as in being funny and interesting, but we really don't bash other distributions in any way, and it might look like that if we put it in.
[13:05] <Rafik> yep, it was just an info for you, for fun :)
[13:07] <tyche> And it is fun.  I can see it in the spirit with which it was meant.  We've worked with the local LUGS in AZ, and people do a lot of switching around, and there's always a bunch of kidding about it.
[13:07] <Rafik> yes!
[13:08] <tyche> In fact, we put on a conference in conjunction with a bunch of the LUGS.  For a first time out, it went pretty well.
[13:08] <tyche> And we had a lot of fun.
[13:12] <Rafik> i'm exchanging some emails with on of the fedora ambassadors in tunisia, often, it's very funny.. like this one : http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2008/10/fedora-weekly-webcomic-distro-names.html but sometime it isn't like with the "Kroah-Hartman" case
[13:13] <tyche> ROFLMAOPMP
[13:13] <tyche> That's great.
[13:16] <tyche> Tumie: Your lock on the UWN #115 timed out 82 minutes ago.  Just to let you know, I'm in, putting up the stats.
[13:17] <Tumie> tyche: i didn't edit anything :)
[13:17] <Tumie> just copy'ing the whole thing,
[13:18] <tyche> Well, it had your nick on it.  It may be that it didn't realize that you canceled out.  The wiki is funny sometimes.
[13:18] <Tumie> i was already away of the page in 1 minute
[13:19] <Tumie> maybe next time press the "cancell" button,, so the wiki knows that i'm away
[13:20] <tyche> Yep.  That can happen.  Just wanted to let you know, so we wouldn't conflict.
[13:20] <tyche> One of the reasons I'm up at 5:00 on a Sunday Morning doing this, is because John and Nick used to conflict with me all the time.  Hee hee
[13:21] <Tumie> tyche: for me it's easy, it is now 14:21 here :P
[13:21] <tyche> Yep.  I'm just lazy, that all.  LOL
[13:22] <tyche> And there is this second cup of coffee with my name on it, just waiting for me.  BBIAB
[13:22] <Tumie> just 8 minutes, then i need to work a bit, i don't know what it is in english.. i bring newspapers to people..
[13:27] <Tumie> i'm going, i'm back in an hour..
[14:46] <Tumie> tyche: i'm back
[14:46] <Tumie> contributors << are that the people who added bugs?
[14:46] <tyche> Yep.  So am I.  And I've got the "Upcoming Meetings" done, too.
[14:47] <tyche> Link?
[14:47] <Tumie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue115#5-a-day%20bug%20stats
[14:48] <Tumie> contributors < are people who reported the bugs??
[14:48] <tyche> Nope.  They're the ones that worked on the 5-a-day project.  I'm not sure exactly what the 5-a-day does, but I believe it triages and solves bugs (or marks them as having  been solved or no longer applicable)
[14:49] <tyche> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day for further information
[14:49] <Tumie> ok, thanks
[14:50] <tyche> NP
[14:51] <Tumie> when the UWN is totally completed?
[14:51] <Tumie> it is here now 15:51..
[14:52] <tyche> Usually around 3:00 or 4:00 MST (10:00 or 11:00 UTC)
[14:52] <Tumie> so that's tomorrow?
[14:52] <tyche> Yep.  It would be for you.  sorry.
[14:53] <Tumie> doesn't matter,
[14:53] <Tumie> i've tuesday a lot of time..
[14:53] <Tumie> monday a bit less.. but still al lot :p
[14:53] <tyche> We do the best we can, Both you and us.  Hee hee
[14:54] <Tumie> i know :P
[14:54] <Tumie> i'm just exiting,, my first issue (H)
[14:55] <tyche> Hang in there.  It gets easier with time.  I know.  I haven't done Stats and Meetings in months.  But I fell right back into it with ease, when one of our people said he couldn't make it today.
[14:56] <tyche> Inside the UWN, we all try to cover for eachother.  Last week was my turn to play hooky.  I was at a Jeep Jamboree.
[15:01] <tyche> WB cody-somerville
[15:01] <Tumie> it is like urbanterror, cover eachother, or you will die :p
[15:03] <tyche> GAD!  That's a heck of a way to think of it.  True, maybe, considering some of the terror induced by realizing that something isn't covered.  But still a heck of a way to phrase it.  LOL
[15:04] <Tumie> i saw a picture on the internet, a homeless with a sign: "I'm like obama, i want CHANGE" (nothing to do with the subject now, but just wanted to tell it :P )
[15:05] <tyche> Yea, I've seen political cartoons (I think they're called "editorial" cartoons, now) like that.
[15:08] <Tumie> it wasn't a cartoon, it was a photo... :p
[15:09] <tyche> I don't doubt it.  I was just saying that I've seen the idea before.  It could be that the cartoonists had also seen that cartoon, and were so inclined, politically.
[15:10] <Tumie> do you know "Phun"?
[15:10] <tyche> Not right off hand.
[15:10] <Tumie> it is a 2D physics simulator
[15:11] <tyche> OH!  Yes, I have seen it.  I haven't managed to get it to run on my machine.  Partly, I think, because I'm running a 64  bit system.
[15:11] <tyche> When I set up my playground partition with Intrepid, I may look into it again.
[15:12] <Tumie> http://www.getdeb.net/release/3123
[15:12] <Tumie> this is the Hardy 64bits version
[15:12] <Tumie> but i've the hardy 32bits version, and it works on intrepid
[15:13] <tyche> Yep.  It's been a while since I looked at it, and that's why I'd forgotten the name.  I'll have to look into it.  But right now I'm in transition between the two releases, getting ready for an install fest we're having in about 2 weeks.
[15:14] <boredandblogging> hello
[15:15] <Tumie> Hi,
[15:15] <Tumie> are you Nick Ali?
[15:15] <boredandblogging> Tumie: hello, yes
[15:15] <Tumie> hi, i'm Tumie of UWN-NL,
[15:15] <Tumie> but i need to go now, back in a quarter..
[15:16] <boredandblogging> cool, ok
[15:16] <tyche> boredandblogging: He's doing translations of the UWN into Dutch.
[15:17] <boredandblogging> yeah, he sent me an email, sounds excellent
[15:31] <Tumie> i'm back
[15:32] <Tumie> boredandblogging: so, i'm Tumie of UWN-NL,, you're Nick Ali??
[15:32] <boredandblogging> Tumie: yes
[15:33] <boredandblogging> Tumie: from your email, you seem to be preparaed
[15:33] <boredandblogging> do you need any help with anything?
[15:33] <Tumie> not yet,,
[15:33] <Tumie> if i have questions, i will ask it here
[15:33] <Tumie> tyche helped me already with some questions
[15:34] <boredandblogging> excellent
[15:34] <tyche> Hey, I try.
[15:34] <tyche> Hee hee
[15:35] <Tumie> boredandblogging: i explaned my plan also to tyche :p
[15:35] <boredandblogging> ah, good
[15:41] <Tumie> boredandblogging: i think that the obama ubuntu hoax, fake is, because it looks too much like windows XP..
[15:42] <tyche> Yea, we've heard that.  Even in the comments on his blog there was major question as to the truthfullness of the claim.
[15:46] <Tumie> i can also edit ubuntu a bit, make a picture, and put it on the internet
[15:46] <Tumie> this even looks like an Windows XP theme
[15:50] <Tumie> boredandblogging: i'm now watching ubuntu podcast #10, 1 of the hosts is Nick Ali, are you that?
[15:50] <boredandblogging> Tumie: lol, yes
[15:50] <tyche> Hey, boredandblogging. NOW you're famous.
[15:51] <tyche> LOL
[15:51] <tyche> Now Josh will have to move the mic closer to you.  Hee hee
[15:52] <boredandblogging> will have to remember that
[15:52] <tyche> Either that, or I'll have to teach you to speak to the other side of the room.
[15:52] <Tumie> today it is the.... 20th of october :p
[15:53] <Tumie> maybe next time, put the date on the paper :)
[15:54] <boredandblogging> heh
[15:56] <Tumie> boredandblogging: do you live togheter with josh?
[15:58] <tyche> No, they're just members of the same team, -us-ga
[15:58] <tyche> Please, don't suggest that Josh is boredandblogging's wife.  That would be too depressing.  Hee hee
[15:59] <Tumie> just asking, and if it would.. then it isn't a problem :P
[16:00] <Tumie> BRB, dinnertime here :p
[17:00] <Tumie> dinnertime is over..
[17:09] <johnc4510-laptop> burp...
[17:26] <Tumie> XD
[17:27] <Tumie> johnc4510-laptop: are you john crawford ?
[17:27] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: yep
[17:28] <johnc4510-laptop> am i in trouble hee hee
[17:28] <Tumie> ok :)
[17:28] <Tumie> yea, you are in trouble (6)
[17:28] <Tumie> no, just kidding, i'm Tumie of UWN-NL (newbie :P )
[17:28] <tyche> johnc4510-laptop: He's doing the Dutch translation.
[17:29] <Tumie> issue115 will be my first one :)
[17:29] <johnc4510-laptop> oh cool
[17:29] <johnc4510-laptop> be sure to link to the translation page please
[17:30] <johnc4510-laptop> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Translations
[17:30] <Tumie> you mean: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue115/NL
[17:30] <Tumie> and current translations
[17:31] <tyche> Yea, put your link on the page that johnc4510-laptop referenced.
[17:31] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: add that link to our translation page please
[17:31] <johnc4510-laptop> :)
[17:31] <johnc4510-laptop> so anyone can find it from the current UWN issue
[17:31] <Tumie> i will do that, when i have a first translation
[17:31] <johnc4510-laptop> sure
[17:31] <johnc4510-laptop> and thanks for your work!!
[17:32] <Tumie> i just have enough time, and i love ubuntu :)
[17:32] <johnc4510-laptop> great
[17:32] <Tumie> and i love the darkroom theme!!
[17:33] <johnc4510-laptop> hee hee
[17:33] <johnc4510-laptop> :)
[17:33] <Tumie> (and avant-window-navigator
[17:34] <Tumie> that's also great to use
[17:36] <Tumie> o, maybe something for issue115, the JauntyReleaseSchedule is their :D
[17:36] <Tumie> jaunty will come on 23th april
[17:37] <johnc4510-laptop> ah, 7 days before my next birthday
[17:37] <johnc4510-laptop> :)
[17:37] <johnc4510-laptop> nice present
[17:37] <johnc4510-laptop> hee hee
[17:37] <Tumie> if you were lucky, it was the 30th april :P
[17:37] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: you have a link to the jaunty release schedule?
[17:37] <Tumie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[17:37] <johnc4510-laptop> thx
[17:37] <Tumie> here it is :)
[17:38] <Tumie> i already knowed the link for a month, every day checked if it was their :p
[17:38] <Tumie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope here i found the link a month ago :)
[17:39] <Tumie> http://www.ubuntublog.nl/?p=53 << here you can find the simple things, (alpha's, beta's, RC, etc.
[17:40] <Tumie> the link is in dutch, but english and dutch look like eachother
[17:44] <Tumie> i'm going to play urbanterror,
[17:44] <Tumie> BRB
[18:00] <LirazSiri> hey guys, I asked Nick Ali about joining the UWN team and he told me to drop by...
[18:01] <tyche> Hi, LirazSiri.  Welcome aboard.
[18:01] <LirazSiri> so how exactly does one join the team and contribute?
[18:01] <boredandblogging> LirazSiri: hello, tyche will help you out, I have to run
[18:01] <johnc4510> hi all
[18:02] <LirazSiri> boredandblogging: no problem, bye Nick
[18:02] <tyche> Give me a second.  I'm just saving out some additions.
[18:04] <johnc4510> LirazSiri: thx for dropping by, you are the one i emailed today about TurnKey
[18:04] <johnc4510> ?
[18:04] <tyche> OK, the fast and dirty answer is that we kinda throw you to the wolves.  Oh, no. That's not quite right.  Basically, johnc4510 and boredandblogging will set you up with an area to be responsible for.  We'll give you some training, be available for questions, and criticise (constructively and non confrontationally) what you've done
[18:04] <LirazSiri> yes, hi john
[18:04] <johnc4510> lol great
[18:05] <LirazSiri> tyche: thanks tyche that sounds great, let me give you some background
[18:06] <LirazSiri> first, I'm looking to understand a bit more about the various ways one can contribute. For example, if I come across a bit of interesting news, how would I share it with the team...
[18:07] <tyche> Well, first, this is who I am:  https://launchpad.net/~tyche
[18:07] <LirazSiri> my background is that I do Ubuntu-related development at work and I'm also a developer for an opensource project called TurnKey Linux
[18:07] <johnc4510> LirazSiri: be sure to join our launchpad team too: https://launchpad.net/~uwn
[18:08] <johnc4510> ok, lunch time bb shortly
[18:08] <LirazSiri> ok, I just did
[18:08] <johnc4510> LirazSiri: tyche can get you started and we'll work on what you can do for next wk later
[18:08] <johnc4510> :)
[18:09] <LirazSiri> thanks john
[18:09] <tyche> Second, the easiest way to get something put in is to send it to the mailing list.  I don't have the link right off hand.  If it's something you've spotted and think should be included, then ask one of us in here.
[18:09] <LirazSiri> tyche: thats ok, I'm familiar with the news-team list. You guys have been a great resource for getting the word out on TurnKey Linux
[18:09] <LirazSiri> here's the home page: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/
[18:10] <LirazSiri> I should probably expand my Launchpad profile to be a bit more descriptive
[18:10] <tyche> For today, what we'd like you to do is to proofread the current (to be released) UWN
[18:10] <LirazSiri> can do
[18:10] <tyche> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue115
[18:10] <tyche> (GAD!  I've got a bunch of windows and tabs open.)
[18:10] <LirazSiri> me too, I'm reading the UWN release right now
[18:11] <tyche> I do most of my work outside, in a text editor, then dump it all in the UWN by sections, so that I don't hold up other people.
[18:11] <tyche> That was one of the windows I had open.
[18:12] <tyche> Then, of course, there's chat, FF, TB, and a book I'm reading (pdf format).  Plus all the tabs I had open while working on the UWN
[18:13] <johnc4510> LirazSiri: just approved you for the launchpad team
[18:13] <LirazSiri> thanks john
[18:14] <tyche> LirazSiri: Another location, that's slightly less formal (off the wall is what it is) is the channel ##johnc4510.  johnc4510 said you could join us there, too.
[18:18] <LirazSiri> I'm proofreading UWN - what do I do when I find something to fix? can I just edit the wiki myself?
[18:19] <tyche> Yes, you can.  And if you need information on how, just ask.
[18:20] <tyche> Most of it should be pretty straight-forward, though.
[18:20] <tyche> Changing spellings and such shouldn't be a problem at all.
[18:20] <LirazSiri> ok, I'll do that
[18:21] <LirazSiri> yeah, I found a couple of minor mistakes so far.
[18:22] <tyche> One thing you might do is to figure what they are and where they are (in bunches) and go in and correct a bunch all at one time.
[18:23] <tyche> The "editing time" is somewhat limited, and you could time out, otherwise.  Also, during ACTIVE times (right now, it isn't as active) it can cause conflicts.  Watch up at the top that you aren't conflicting with someone else.
[18:23] <LirazSiri> right, thanks for the warning
[18:28] <Tumie> hi :D
[18:29] <tyche> WB, Tumie
[18:29] <Tumie> get used too it, i will be here almost every day :p
[18:30] <tyche> That's fine by me.  I'm almost always in here, too.
[18:30] <Tumie> :p
[18:30] <Tumie> this is the only english channel were i'm in..
[18:31] <tyche> Nothing wrong with that.  And your English is GOOD!
[18:33] <Tumie> thanks :)
[18:33] <Tumie> i still think my english is bad :p
[18:34] <Tumie> i still have mistakes, but i learn english at school, and i'm good at it :)
[18:35] <tyche> Trust me, Tumie.  I've chatted with people from all over the world, and some of them have a real problem with it.  Not that I couldn't understand, most of the time.  But sometimes it was a chore.  Yours is good.
[18:35] <Tumie> Oke :) but, what means "a chore" ?
[18:35] <tyche> We've had people in the -us-az channel from France, Siberia, Serbia, and the like.
[18:36] <tyche> In this context, "a chore" would mean "a job" or "a difficult task that has to be done"
[18:36] <tyche> And yes, questions like that are welcome.
[18:36] <tyche> At least by me.
[18:37] <Tumie> for french people, english is more diffecult, because french doesn't look like english, dutch and english really look like eachother
[18:37] <Tumie> als ik nederlands praat, snap je dat dan?
[18:38] <Tumie> if i dutch talk, understand you that then? (dutch -> english word by word is bad :P )
[18:38] <tyche> "as in netherlands speach, . . ." and that's where I lost it.
[18:38] <tyche> But you're right.  A lot of it is understandable.
[18:38] <Tumie> ik = I
[18:39] <Tumie> i've learned english by watching movies,,
[18:39] <Tumie> here almost all the movies are with subtitles
[18:40] <tyche> Dutch and German appear to have a common influence or background.
[18:40] <Tumie> german sucks, english is not difficult, dutch is more diffecult, german is mooooorrree diffecult :)
[18:41] <tyche> True.  But many German words have been incorporated into English.  Same with Latin/Spanish (Spanish might be considered gutter Latin) and Itallian.
[18:42] <tyche> Even some French words have.  But I failed French in high school, and only had one year of Spanish in college.
[18:42] <Tumie> I failed french too, this year i'm going to fail german, then i only have english and dutch :D
[18:43] <tyche> Most of the Latin and German I got from being in choirs, both church and school.  My father was a music teacher.
[18:43] <Tumie> i'm bad at music :p
[18:44] <Tumie> it is cool, but i'm bad at it
[18:44] <tyche> Well, I'm the black sheep of the family.  I'm the one that can't sight-read music and play it perfectly the first time through.  But I can sight-sing without too much trouble.
[18:46] <Tumie> i had problems with ,, how do i call that, in dutch it is called "ritme"..
[18:47] <Tumie> in english it is rhythm
[18:48] <LirazSiri> ok I just finished proofreading UWN Issue #115. I found some minor mistakes and corrected them in the wiki
[18:48] <tyche> Yep.  Just looked it up, and thought that's what you meant.  Rhythms can be complex, but with a little training they aren't really difficult.
[18:49] <tyche> LirazSiri: Thanks.  Did you add your name to the credits?
[18:49] <LirazSiri> yes I did
[18:49] <tyche> Good
[18:49] <Tumie> i haven't music lessions anymore..
[18:49] <LirazSiri> do you guys have any statistics on how many people read UWN?
[18:50] <Tumie> i think not..
[18:50] <Tumie> as far as i know, wiki doesn't have statistics
[18:50] <tyche> Nope.  there's no way to log it on the wiki, plus it's mirrored in a number of places.  HOWEVER - - - HEE HEE HEE - - - we DO know that the BOSS reads it.  We keep getting emails from Mark Shuttleworth, every once in a while, about how he enjoys it.
[18:51] <LirazSiri> Tumie: UWN is sent by email to subscribers too. I think its the ubuntu-news ml
[18:51] <Tumie> tyche: why Mark Shuttleworth isn't dutch :P
[18:51] <LirazSiri> Besides, Ubuntu's infrastructure guys know how many people read each page for sure. The squid in front of the wiki keeps logs.
[18:52] <johnc4510-laptop> over 6000 on the mailing list
[18:52] <johnc4510-laptop> another 1300 read the forum thread
[18:52] <johnc4510-laptop> and who knows how many read the wiki
[18:52] <johnc4510-laptop> so it's an unknown at this point
[18:52] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: i got you added to the uwn launchpad team
[18:52] <LirazSiri> thanks john, thats very interesting
[18:52] <tyche> Holy Cow!  I didn't know it was THAT big.  Should I be scared now?  Hee hee
[18:53] <johnc4510-laptop> but i'm having problems adding the uwn-nl team
[18:53] <johnc4510-laptop> for some reason
[18:53] <Tumie> johnc4510-laptop: ok :)
[18:53] <Tumie> :(
[18:53] <tyche> Probably because you don't speak the language.  :-D
[18:53] <Tumie> that's not good :(
[18:53] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: i'm going to join the uwn-nl team and then try to add them as one of the teams i'm on
[18:54] <Tumie> oke :)
[18:54] <Tumie> i will accept you
[18:54] <tyche> johnc4510-laptop: Are you admin on the uwn-nl list?
[18:54] <LirazSiri> I notice the wiki mentions translations but does UWN actually get translated into other languages?
[18:54] <johnc4510-laptop> nope
[18:54] <johnc4510-laptop> LirazSiri: SOME, and it varies
[18:54] <johnc4510-laptop> translations come and go as people do
[18:54] <tyche> LirazSiri: yes, the UWN, in one form or another, gets translated.  We'd like to see it in more languages.
[18:54] <johnc4510-laptop> it's very hard to keep it going
[18:55] <Tumie> i hope i won't be someone like that :p
[18:55] <LirazSiri> it would probably be easier to get volunteers to translate a subset (e.g., "executive summary"). The whole thing is kind of a tall order.
[18:55] <Tumie> john: you're aproved
[18:56] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: ok, i applied to -nl team, please add me so i can try to add the team to uwn team
[18:56] <johnc4510-laptop> please
[18:56] <johnc4510-laptop> thx
[18:56] <LirazSiri> I have to run off soon, but I'm curious - besides proof reading, what other ways are there to contribute?
[18:57] <tyche> Everything you see in the UWN, basically.
[18:58] <tyche> johnc4510-laptop and boredandblogging need to decide who's going to do what, then I can train you on the area(s) that you'll do, and you'll have an opportunity to see how the rest is done.
[18:58] <LirazSiri> so say I come across a relevant piece of news, could I just edit the wiki and add it?
[18:58] <johnc4510-laptop> LirazSiri: yep
[18:58] <johnc4510-laptop> and
[18:58] <johnc4510-laptop> we'll be giving you an area of responsibility too
[18:58] <tyche> It would be best to pass the link past johnc4510-laptop and/or boredandblogging first.  But basically yes.
[18:59] <johnc4510-laptop> we start folks off slow and build them up
[18:59] <LirazSiri> that makes sense. most people, myself included, have to balance off their volunteer contributions with work responsibilities,
[18:59] <tyche> I've had them accept ideas of mine.  I've also had them bounce ideas of mine.  They know what the basic plan for the UWN is, so I don't take it personally.
[18:59] <johnc4510-laptop> LirazSiri: if you'll ping me here on tuesday or wednesday, i'll get you set up
[19:00] <johnc4510-laptop> or in #johnc4510
[19:00] <johnc4510-laptop> either one
[19:00] <Tumie> you're own channel XD
[19:00] <LirazSiri> that sounds great
[19:00] <LirazSiri> perhaps the "training" is already documented on the wiki as well? maybe we can save a bit of time and get me up to speed faster that way
[19:00] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: yeah
[19:01] <johnc4510-laptop> LirazSiri: it's not on the wiki
[19:01] <johnc4510-laptop> not sure why we've never done that
[19:01] <johnc4510-laptop> :(
[19:02] <tyche> Because I've always kept it as a template for a text file, and you saw no need?
[19:02] <LirazSiri> maybe putting the rules and regulations on the wiki would be a good idea. Especially if you already have it written down.
[19:03] <tyche> It was more a case of my notes on how to do things, and formats.
[19:03] <Tumie> were can i see all the upcoming meetings ?
[19:04] <LirazSiri> in a nutshell, my background is pretty technical - I'm a software engineer that also happens to do quite a bit of Debian/Ubuntu related systems development at work. My language skills are also pretty decent (in English).
[19:04] <tyche> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event except that it doesn't show recurring events.  So I've got them in a Google calendar, and pass them across (which I need to get at this week)
[19:04] <LirazSiri> I wouldn't mind proof-reading UWN on a regular basis before it comes out. I'm a regular reader anyhow.
[19:04] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: that didn't work, i'm going to have to ask someone how to add a subteam to a team in launchpad
[19:05] <Tumie> ok
[19:05] <LirazSiri> does UWN come out at a regular time?
[19:06] <LirazSiri> is there a "deadline" for proof reading work?
[19:06] <LirazSiri> (for example)
[19:06] <Tumie> UWN comes every sunday, as you see, their isn't an deadline :p
[19:07] <johnc4510-laptop> LirazSiri: we publish on Sunday when we finish
[19:07] <LirazSiri> right, when we have a bit more time we'll talk a bit more about this. I have to run off now. thanks everyone!
[19:08] <johnc4510-laptop> later
[19:08] <tyche> Thanks, LirazSiri.  See you later.
[19:09] <LirazSiri> cheers everyone
[19:12]  * Tumie cheers?
[19:13] <johnc4510-laptop> as in "have a good day"
[19:14] <Tumie> i know, but i needed to test something XD
[19:15] <Tumie> test
[19:17] <johnc4510-laptop> ah
[19:19] <tyche> I see you found the /me command in IRC.  Hee hee
[19:25] <Tumie> that wasn't the test ...
[19:25] <Tumie> the /me command is simple :p
[19:25]  * azteech command - no info on it in help .... lol
[19:27] <tyche> SURE there is.  just type /help command, and look in the server tab.
[19:28] <azteech> did that tyche ... says there is no help for that command, at least to me it does ...
[19:28] <azteech> (12:21:02 PM) ChanServ: (notice) No help available for /me.
[19:29] <tyche> Now THAT'S funny.
[19:29] <tyche> Especially with YOU saying it.  Hee hee
[19:31] <johnc4510-laptop> you have to give it a peramater
[19:31] <johnc4510-laptop> like /help chanserv
[19:32] <tyche> Yes, but just "/help command" gives you a list of commands.
[19:32] <johnc4510-laptop> ah yes
[19:32] <tyche> and /me is not one of them.
[19:35] <tyche> But I especially like azteech saying  there was "No help available for /me."
[19:36] <azteech> Tyche - Only because i follow in your stead ... HEE HEE .......
[19:36] <tyche> Actually, you go in STEAD of me.  Hee hee
[19:38] <johnc4510-laptop> bad bad bad!!
[19:38] <azteech> Boooooooooooo
[19:38] <tyche> Good!  Good!  Good!  YAY!!!!!!
[19:38] <azteech> lol
[19:49] <Tumie> omg..
[19:50] <tyche> Tumie: this is nothing.  We're like this in the Team channel, too.  They don't call it the AZ LoCo for nothing.  We really are loco.  Hee hee
[19:50] <Tumie> :P
[19:51] <Tumie> BRB
[19:51] <azteech> yep, we are ... :P
[19:54] <tyche> At least you acknowledge it.  Hee hee
[19:55] <Rafik> hello
[19:56] <azteech> Never denied that we weren't a bit crazy ... lol ..
[19:56] <azteech> Rafik, Afternoon
[19:57] <Rafik> hi azteech :)
[19:57] <Rafik> tyche, is it ok for the topic we talked about ? :)
[19:58] <tyche> What's that Rafik?  You mean the results of the SFD in Tunisia?  It's in.
[19:59] <Rafik> tyche, ok, thanks.  I thought you will format it into a paragraph :)
[19:59] <tyche> I tossed it past boredandblogging, and he approved it.  We simply made a note that the link was to a blog in French.
[20:00] <tyche> And thank you for the the information
[20:00] <Rafik> thank YOU :)
[20:01] <tyche> NP
[20:01] <tyche> That's what we're here for.
[20:02] <tyche> Rafik: I pretty much left it as you worded it.  It was pretty good as it was.
[20:02] <Rafik> tyche, you English better than me after all :)
[20:03] <tyche> Naw, it was good.
[20:03] <tyche> johnc4510-laptop didn't change it, either.
[20:03] <Rafik> Ok, thanks
[20:03] <tyche> bbiab.  Housework.
[20:04] <johnc4510-laptop> Rafik: i just cleaned it up a little
[20:04] <johnc4510-laptop> you should look it over
[20:04] <johnc4510-laptop> please
[20:04] <johnc4510-laptop> .
[20:05] <Rafik> johnc4510-laptop, nice !
[20:05] <johnc4510-laptop> :)
[20:05] <johnc4510-laptop> glad to help
[20:05] <johnc4510-laptop> let us know of any other team related news please
[20:07] <Rafik> i'll be glade to bring news for you guys
[20:07] <johnc4510-laptop> thx
[20:08] <tyche> BTW, johnc4510-laptop, Rafik was saying that the first install they gave was a woman that had gone to the Red Hat booth first.  Then came to them to be their first install.  Hee hee
[20:08] <johnc4510-laptop> nice
[20:09] <Rafik> she was part of the Fedora Team ;-)
[20:09] <tyche> We decided to leave that bit out, as I didn't want people to think we were Red Hat bashing.
[20:13] <johnc4510-laptop> Rafik: really, that's rockin'
[20:13] <Rafik> johnc4510-laptop, yeah !
[20:13] <johnc4510-laptop> right on leaving it out, although we could use it as a teaser
[20:13] <johnc4510-laptop> something like
[20:14] <johnc4510-laptop> "there were even some other linux os teams that made use of the installfest to install Intrepid
[20:14] <johnc4510-laptop> "
[20:15] <Rafik> hehe.. could be nice
[20:15] <tyche> GAD!  johnc4510-laptop.  You're nastier than I am.
[20:15] <johnc4510-laptop> lol
[20:15] <johnc4510-laptop> i'll think about that one for a bit
[20:15] <johnc4510-laptop> hee hee
[20:15] <tyche> And I didn't think that was possible.
[20:15] <tyche> Gotta go shampoo part of a rug.  bbl
[20:17] <johnc4510-laptop> k
[20:39] <tyche> BTW, johnc4510-laptop, did you REALLY mean to name that entry in Launchpad News "LUNCHPAD EPIC"?
[20:39] <johnc4510-laptop> lol
[20:39] <johnc4510-laptop> no
[20:39] <johnc4510-laptop> i'll get it    thx
[20:40] <tyche> Just curious.  I thought maybe it had some significance that I didn't catch from the teaser.
[20:41] <johnc4510-laptop> thx got it
[20:41] <johnc4510-laptop> well, i had just finished lunch
[20:41] <johnc4510-laptop> it was on my mind
[20:42] <tyche> Yes, and on your stomach, too.
[20:42] <tyche> I thought it had to do with the "Cheesy" photographs.  Hee hee
[20:42] <Tumie> back
[20:43] <tyche> I was expecting a photo of them gathered around a table, eating.   LOL
[20:44] <johnc4510-laptop> lol
[20:45] <azteech> we just don't need EPIC upset Stomachs though ... hee hee
[20:46] <tyche> The Martha Stewart of the Launchpad set.  Hee hee
[20:47] <tyche> Or what's his name, the guy with the nasty attitude who has a show on prime time?  Projectile cooking.  Hee hee
[20:47] <azteech> Yep, you are tyche .... unlike Johnc4510 ... who is more like
[20:47] <azteech> ummmmmmmm ..... The Gormet Chef ... on the cooking channel ...
[20:47] <azteech> lol ...
[20:48] <Tumie> helloooo,, i'm back!!!
[20:48] <azteech> Tumie, wb
[20:48] <tyche> To me, gourmet cooking is being able to boil water without burning it.
[20:48] <Tumie> whoehoew :D
[20:49] <Tumie> omg.. do you really have an cooking channel? :(
[20:49] <Tumie> i want it too!!
[20:50] <azteech> lol .....
[20:50] <tyche> Tumie: No, we're talking about on TV
[20:50] <tyche> And for me, it would have to be VERY basic:  How to turn on a burner without burning myself.
[20:50] <Tumie> do you in america also have an channel with 24/7 police that tryes to catch a thief, (live)
[20:51] <tyche> Nope.  Too many thieves.  Hee hee
[20:51] <azteech> we have somthing similar - but it isn't live
[20:51] <tyche> Some of them in High Places
[20:52] <azteech> hee hee ... yep
[20:54] <Tumie> hmm, a lot of things they here say about america aren't true
[20:55] <tyche> Depends on who's doing the saying.
[20:56] <Tumie> something that's true: america has 9.000.000.000.000 euro debts..
[20:56] <Tumie> that's over 12.000.000 million dollar
[20:57] <Tumie> every they, america mades 3.000 million euro (4.000 million dollar) more debts...
[20:57] <Tumie> *they = day
[20:59] <Tumie> here in europe, all the finances people say that america is falling down...
[21:02] <Tumie> some comments ? :p
[21:02] <azteech> but,we always do bounce back ....
[21:02] <Tumie> not this time,,
[21:02] <Tumie> the financial crisis hurts america the most..
[21:03] <azteech> markets go up and down ... and right now, we are on the down side .... problem with us is, we always want to help the world, instead of looking to home front ....
[21:03] <azteech> all depends on who and what you listen too .....
[21:04] <Tumie> i listen to "Willen Middelkoop", one of the best financial research man in The Netherlands..
[21:05] <Tumie> *Willem Middelkoop
[21:05] <azteech> never heard the name ....
[21:06] <Tumie> because he's only publishing things in Dutch..
[21:07] <azteech> if all the countries of the world, would pay back all the trillions of dollars they have been loaned over the years, we would not be having this problem - instead, we move on, and one day hope that all those monies come rolling back into the coffers of our financial institutes.
[21:08] <Tumie> but a lot of that countries, doesn't need more money,, america needs every day more money
[21:09] <Tumie> america has a problem, if they don't fix it, america won't be the most powerfull country in the world..
[21:10] <azteech> We aren't now .... as much as I hate to say it ...
[21:10] <tyche> Well, nap time.
[21:10] <azteech> and, I am not so sure that ... that isn't a good thing ...
[21:10] <azteech> k tyche ... t/c
[21:11] <azteech> okay, need to go finish some chores .. you all have fun .... see you all tonight ...
[21:12] <Tumie> every small financial crisis, has given more time, to add more money in the system, this causes the lower and lower dollar, but, it is only for more time, now, they did it again, but they discovered, it won't worked..
[21:12] <Tumie> ok, bye
[21:56] <Tumie> johnc4510-laptop: is the Issue115 ready to publice? because it looks very ready..
[21:56] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: yes, you can go ahead and start translation
[21:56] <johnc4510-laptop> i'm done
[21:57] <johnc4510-laptop> just need to ask nick a quick ? before publishing
[21:57] <johnc4510-laptop> good timing, i just finished up
[21:57] <johnc4510-laptop> lol
[21:57] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: btw, this is about the time we finish every week
[21:58] <Tumie> i copy'ed the whole thing now..
[21:58] <Tumie> ok,
[21:58] <johnc4510-laptop> k
[21:58] <Tumie> nice time,, i have still an hour today..
[21:58] <johnc4510-laptop> cool
[21:58] <johnc4510-laptop> good luck
[21:59] <Tumie> ow, i saw the time a bit wrong..
[21:59] <Tumie> i'm an hour too late up... :P
[22:00] <Tumie> needed to go to bed an hour ago :p
[22:00] <johnc4510-laptop> lol
[22:00] <johnc4510-laptop> np
[22:00] <johnc4510-laptop> sleep well
[22:00] <Tumie> bye, speak you tomorrow (i think)
[23:01] <johnc4510-laptop> The new issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter #115 is out:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue115