| ScottK | That'd be a bug then because fish is pretty ancient. | 00:18 |
|---|---|---|
| ScottK | It ought to work with sftp. | 00:18 |
| ryanakca | When does merging start? | 00:28 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: Once Jaunty opens. Not sure exactly when that'll be. | 00:28 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: In the mean time, send bugs with patches to Debian so maybe it's more syncing and less merging. | 00:29 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: *nods*, will do | 00:29 |
| ryanakca | thanks | 00:29 |
| seele | ScottK: Nov 6 i think? | 00:38 |
| * DaSkreech agrees | 00:38 | |
| ScottK | seele: For what? Sorry. | 00:39 |
| * DaSkreech agrees with that statement as well | 00:40 | |
| rgreening | hah | 00:40 |
| seele | Jaunty opens, heh. I guess context helps | 00:40 |
| ScottK | OK. | 00:41 |
| jdong | wow, awesomeness -- Xon/Xoff flowcontrol in Konsole results in a cute little FYI bar to tell you what's going on | 00:43 |
| jdong | yet another *nice* touch | 00:43 |
| ScottK | seele: I thought you might find http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001182.html interesting. | 00:49 |
| seele | ScottK: ooo, that book looks interesting | 00:52 |
| * seele wonders if they cover 7+-2 | 00:52 | |
| seele | oh ho ho, that just reminded me to buy i book i have a 40% coupon for which expires today | 00:53 |
| seele | the book is normally 149 but the coupon takes $60 off | 00:54 |
| DaSkreech | That's a pretty good deal | 01:15 |
| DaSkreech | Oh expires today | 01:15 |
| DaSkreech | I was going to say wait till the book dropped to 50 dollars then get them to pay you 10 dollars to take it | 01:16 |
| stdin | is bug #292403 really adepts fault? rather than apt? | 01:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 292403 in adept "MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292403 | 01:20 |
| seele | it's not going to drop in price any time soon, it was just published last year | 01:20 |
| DaSkreech | ah right | 01:23 |
| DaSkreech | Wait | 01:23 |
| DaSkreech | expires today? | 01:23 |
| DaSkreech | how are you going to make use of it? | 01:23 |
| ScottK | DaSkreech: They have this thing called the Internet and it has stores. | 01:24 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 01:24 |
| === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| seele | lol | 02:10 |
| DaSkreech | Which store sells this internet? | 02:14 |
| * ScottK ponders a competition for the most sarcastic answer to the latest post to kubuntu-devel ML. | 03:02 | |
| DaSkreech | Prize? | 03:02 |
| ScottK | Haven't gotten that far. | 03:03 |
| ScottK | Too distracted by kdiamond. | 03:03 |
| DaSkreech | MMM | 03:03 |
| DaSkreech | trunk? | 03:03 |
| ScottK | No, Intrepid. | 03:08 |
| ScottK | 4.1.2 | 03:08 |
| ScottK | Playing, not packaging. | 03:08 |
| DaSkreech | Well You can have trunk and play it :) it's nice on trunk | 03:08 |
| ScottK | DaSkreech: This is the laptop I use for $WORK. No trunk on it. | 03:09 |
| DaSkreech | Hmm I might get a laptop | 03:09 |
| * DaSkreech dislikes laptops | 03:09 | |
| ScottK | yuriy's entry seems not at all sarcastic. | 03:21 |
| jdong | hmm kdemultimedia/kmix defines the increaseVolume calls and the dbus interface | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | canada. You would have thougth he was more clueful. | 03:24 |
| jdong | what is the package that contains what actually maps the buttons to those dbus calls? | 03:24 |
| jdong | IIRC it was kmilo that did it in KDE3 | 03:25 |
| jdong | ah, found it. | 03:27 |
| ScottK | What is it? | 03:27 |
| jdong | kscd in kdemultimedia | 03:27 |
| ScottK | We had a kmilo-kde4 for a while in Hardy, but it's gone now ... | 03:27 |
| jdong | registers it as a global keybinding | 03:27 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 03:28 |
| jdong | now to trace the codepath | 03:28 |
| jdong | wait that's not right | 03:28 |
| jdong | + connect(globalAction, SIGNAL(triggered(bool) ), SLOT(slotIncreaseVolume())); | 03:29 |
| jdong | that's what I want | 03:29 |
| jdong | introduced by magical debian/patches/kubuntu_02_kmix_keyboard_shortcuts.diff | 03:29 |
| jdong | oh PFFT FFS! | 03:29 |
| jdong | +void KMixWindow::slotIncreaseVolume() | 03:29 |
| jdong | [snip] | 03:29 |
| jdong | + mixer->setMute("Master:0", false); //FIXME, don't hardcode deviceids | 03:29 |
| jdong | + mixer->increaseVolume("PCM:0"); | 03:30 |
| jdong | I wonder why it defaulst to PCM... | 03:30 |
| * ScottK figures it's a good bet you're in the right area when the line before says FIXME | 03:31 | |
| jdong | :) | 03:32 |
| ScottK | Next question is, is it changed in KDE 4.1.3? | 03:32 |
| jdong | well considering this is a kubuntu patch, I'm not sure | 03:33 |
| ScottK | Probably not. | 03:33 |
| jdong | while I hack at this code to get the right behavior, would you mind checking if the 4.1.3 packaging is any different? | 03:33 |
| jdong | you'd know better than me where to look | 03:33 |
| ScottK | jdong: vorian is going to check. | 03:34 |
| * vorian waves | 03:34 | |
| jdong | :D | 03:34 |
| vorian | jdong: can you get me a paste of your trace? | 03:35 |
| JontheEchidna | I don't believe we did any fixing for patches in 4.1.3 | 03:35 |
| vorian | rrrr | 03:35 |
| JontheEchidna | in kdemultimedia | 03:36 |
| vorian | i was going to check the source | 03:36 |
| JontheEchidna | well I haven't checked either but I don't *think* we did | 03:36 |
| vorian | righto | 03:36 |
| jdong | mixer->setMute("Master:0", false); //FIXME, don't hardcode deviceids | 03:36 |
| jdong | mixer->increaseVolume("PCM:0"); | 03:36 |
| JontheEchidna | it would be fun if patches maintained themselves :P | 03:36 |
| jdong | vorian: stuff that looks like that. just grep for PCM:0 in debian/patches :) | 03:37 |
| vorian | oh nice | 03:37 |
| vorian | yeah, only keyboard patches | 03:37 |
| vorian | not much changed either in 4.1.3 | 03:39 |
| ScottK | This is a regression from KDE3/Hardy that a lot of people have complained about, so if we could include a fix in our 4.1.3 upload, that'd be really kewl. | 03:40 |
| vorian | ohmy | 03:43 |
| vorian | /// @DCOP WHAT DOES THIS METHOD?!?!? | 03:43 |
| jdong | ok, gonna do a quick testbuild and see if this changes anything meaningful :D | 03:48 |
| jdong | am I crazy, or are ctrl-pgup/pgdn inverted when switching konsole tabs? | 03:49 |
| jdong | i.e. pgup moves right and pgdn moves left, counterintuitive to what I expected | 03:49 |
| jdong | nice, y'all use cmake with percentage indication | 03:51 |
| jdong | (doesn't it give you a warm and fuzzy feeling that some clueless GNOME fanboy is patching your code? :D) | 03:51 |
| DaSkreech | jdong: near as I recall that's an old bug. You can swap them yourself I think | 03:52 |
| jdong | DaSkreech: by... redefining 3 hotkeys explicitly, yeah | 03:52 |
| jdong | DaSkreech: I'm trying to get it to read the master channel preference in kmix | 03:53 |
| jdong | which is what it should do intuitively | 03:53 |
| jdong | to my humble eye it doesn't seem like an "old bug" as much as the old bug was ported over to KDE4 in a new and blunter way :) | 03:53 |
| DaSkreech | :-0 | 03:53 |
| DaSkreech | ;-) | 03:53 |
| jdong | :) | 03:53 |
| jdong | DaSkreech: oh wait you mean the konsole thing | 03:57 |
| jdong | sorry I was talking about the kmix thing :) | 03:57 |
| DaSkreech | :-) | 03:57 |
| jdong | well... at any rate, it would be nice to have it fixed correctly :D | 03:57 |
| DaSkreech | Hey is there a GUI wine thing? | 03:57 |
| DaSkreech | I seem to remember there being one | 03:57 |
| * DaSkreech wants working sound | 03:57 | |
| DaSkreech | System settings used to have a Wine entry | 03:58 |
| jdong | grumble one day I should just properly set up a COW thingie. | 03:59 |
| jdong | this whole tmpfs+/var/cache unionfs thing is just silly | 03:59 |
| yuriy | DaSkreech: nope, didn't port that | 04:00 |
| DaSkreech | Damn | 04:00 |
| DaSkreech | NEed to remember the command line setup then | 04:00 |
| jdong | winecfg not good enough? | 04:01 |
| DaSkreech | That was it winecfg!! | 04:01 |
| JontheEchidna | guidance-wineconfig was basically winecfg with the theme-color getter iirc | 04:01 |
| JontheEchidna | which was a very handy feature :) | 04:01 |
| * yuriy should just turn that into a script | 04:01 | |
| DaSkreech | What's Wine-auto ? | 04:02 |
| jdong | wow, no FTBFS yet. | 04:03 |
| DaSkreech | In kernel? | 04:03 |
| * JontheEchidna -> bed | 04:03 | |
| jdong | kmix :) | 04:03 |
| DaSkreech | ok :-) | 04:03 |
| jdong | yup it made it past kmix | 04:03 |
| jdong | now the question is, is this fix gonna work? :) | 04:03 |
| jdong | well it's 95% correct. | 04:07 |
| jdong | or 50% correct normalized more rudely | 04:07 |
| jdong | you can only crank it up | 04:07 |
| jdong | oh duh | 04:07 |
| jdong | <brownpaperbag> | 04:07 |
| jdong | void KMixWindow::slotDecreaseVolume() | 04:07 |
| jdong | + mixer->increaseVolume(master->id()); | 04:07 |
| DaSkreech | Funny part with my kmix is that I need to turn down the volume on Videos to hear anything | 04:08 |
| jdong | ScottK: almost got final verification of fix, just involves an updated kubuntu_02_bleh.patch | 04:16 |
| jdong | what's your preferred way of submitting the patch? | 04:16 |
| jdong | confirmed, fixed. | 04:19 |
| jdong | hotkeys now follow whatever the master channel is set as in kmix :) | 04:19 |
| ScottK | jdong: apachelogger has been coordinating the 4.1.3 preps. I'd ask him, but in the meantime, I'm sure there's a bug you could attach the patch to. | 04:21 |
| jdong | yeah I'm gonna pick bug 267245 | 04:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 267245 in kdemultimedia "Keyboard volume keys only change PCM volume" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267245 | 04:21 |
| jdong | looks to be the most triaged of the dupes | 04:21 |
| ScottK | jdong: We'll have additional monthly 4.1.x updates we're feeding into Intrepid, so if there's more stuff like this, we've got good targets for getting the fixes deployed. | 04:23 |
| jdong | ScottK: awesome. Patch attached to bug 267245; I see that Riddell assigned himself to the bug so hopefully whoever can get the fix in will get the message :) | 04:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 267245 in kdemultimedia "Keyboard volume keys only change PCM volume" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267245 | 04:25 |
| DaSkreech | Is ark broken? | 04:35 |
| ScottK | DaSkreech: 'Lacking some features of ark for KDE3' | 04:37 |
| ScottK | DaSkreech: What specifically? | 04:37 |
| DaSkreech | :-) Like making an archive? | 04:37 |
| ScottK | .tar.gz support got stuffed in at the vary last minute, so if that's what you're trying, I'd try a different format. .bz2 is more mature. | 04:38 |
| DaSkreech | Wha'ts the workflow to make one? | 04:38 |
| ScottK | Dunno. I haven't actually had to do it. | 04:39 |
| DaSkreech | Short story is that nothing seems to work | 04:39 |
| jdong | mmkay, so next up: brightness keys!1 | 04:40 |
| * jdong is gonna fix ALL of KDE4 tonight ;-) | 04:40 | |
| ScottK | Those mostly work and are controlled by Guidance Power Manager. | 04:41 |
| DaSkreech | jdong: You can't possibly :) | 04:41 |
| ScottK | So please don't be breaking them what do work already. | 04:41 |
| jdong | hmm my macbook keys aren't working at all | 04:41 |
| jdong | but they do work in GNOME | 04:41 |
| ScottK | OK. Then go for it. | 04:41 |
| jdong | guidance has working brightness sliders in its UI | 04:42 |
| jdong | just need to figure out why the keymappings don't | 04:42 |
| ScottK | Excellent. | 04:42 |
| * DaSkreech is not aware of how this works | 04:43 | |
| DaSkreech | If we add features but don't bump a version would it be accepted in Ibex? | 04:43 |
| ScottK | DaSkreech: It depends on what you mean. | 04:44 |
| ScottK | In general new features are out. | 04:44 |
| ScottK | If it's a regression from Hardy KDE3, then maybe. | 04:44 |
| DaSkreech | If Jdong fixes all of KDE4 tonight can we ship those changes now in Ibex ? | 04:44 |
| ScottK | Yeah. He's bug fixing. That's fine. We're prep'ing 4.1.3 for intrepid-updates now. | 04:45 |
| DaSkreech | Ahh Ok :0 | 04:45 |
| DaSkreech | Sweet | 04:45 |
| DaSkreech | Forward port the changed to trunk :) | 04:45 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 04:46 |
| ScottK | So far he fixed a Kubuntu specific patch, so nothing to forward. | 04:46 |
| * DaSkreech is almost anxious for KDE 4.2 to be out | 04:47 | |
| ScottK | We'll put that in intrepid-backports once it's released. | 04:48 |
| ScottK | mornfall: Is there any support in Adept 3 for installing from pinned repositories (like backports.org for example)? | 05:40 |
| mornfall | Not that I know of. | 05:41 |
| ScottK | mornfall: We're looking at reworking how backports works in Ubuntu to make it easier to get one package out of Ubuntu backports and not all of the updates. | 05:42 |
| ScottK | Would there be any chance of getting something in the Jaunty timeframe? | 05:43 |
| mornfall | And the timeframe is? | 05:43 |
| ScottK | The next Ubuntu release, so released 6 months from now. | 05:45 |
| ScottK | Ideally we'd get feature work done in the next 3 months or so. | 05:45 |
| ScottK | mornfall: Feature Freeze is February 19th | 05:46 |
| mornfall | Well, if I get a concise list of what's needed, I can try to come up with something over the winter holidays or so. | 05:47 |
| ScottK | mornfall: OK. We're still working it out. Thanks. | 05:47 |
| mornfall | I'll have to set some priorities and drop everything that's not important enough. | 05:48 |
| ScottK | Understand. Isn't that how it always works ... | 05:48 |
| mornfall | Sort of, yes. | 05:48 |
| Tonio_ | hi there | 06:51 |
| DaSkreech | hai | 06:51 |
| Riddell | morning | 09:01 |
| Arby | morning Riddell | 09:01 |
| hunger | Riddell: I had trouble building kde this WE. So I have no update on the bluetooth issue yet. | 09:07 |
| * hunger will continue to try building trunk. | 09:07 | |
| stdin | if I'm added a translatable string in a patch to a KDE 4 package, do I just wrap in i18n() or do I need to do something else to get the translations updated? | 10:09 |
| smarter | you're adding a translatable string to intrepid? | 10:14 |
| stdin | smarter: yes | 10:20 |
| stdin | bug #290589 | 10:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 290589 in kde4libs "Long dbus command displayed on dialog when trying to mount hard drive via dolphin" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/290589 | 10:20 |
| smarter | stdin: KDE uses extract-messages.sh $srcdir/Messages.sh to create the pot file | 10:22 |
| smarter | but imho the best way to do that is to fill a bug upstream and send your patch | 10:23 |
| smarter | (btw, most users won't know what "hal" is and why it needs privileges :P) | 10:23 |
| stdin | it's not an upstream issue, it's an issue with one of our patches | 10:23 |
| smarter | oh | 10:25 |
| stdin | looks like extract-messages.sh gets run in kde4.mk anyway, so that would export the strings to launchpad | 10:25 |
| stdin | ... I think | 10:26 |
| stdin | or is that just .destkop files | 10:26 |
| jussi01 | wow, webkit in konq is real nice, shame about the missing flash though. | 11:44 |
| Riddell | jussi01: using svn or our packages? | 11:47 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: just the webkitkde package of ours | 12:02 |
| jussi01 | it actually renders the pages correctly, which is really nice for a change... | 12:03 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: if it had plugin availability, Ie flash, java etc, I would then find konqui actually useful for web browsing - (based on about an hour of use mind you) | 12:08 |
| === me___ is now known as apachelogger_ | ||
| seele | ScottK: are you still having trouble with kmail crashing on close? | 13:03 |
| seele | ack.. my calendar converted to UTC. | 13:04 |
| ScottK | seele: It's been quite some time since I rebooted/closed it, so no idea. I'd be suprised if it didn't happen since it's happened with the current version. | 13:08 |
| apachelogger_ | ScottK: did you try with 4.1.3? | 13:16 |
| ScottK | apachelogger_: No. I'm waiting until 4.1.3 hits -proposed to install it so I can count as an official "It works" for SRU verification. | 13:16 |
| apachelogger_ | okies | 13:17 |
| ScottK | apachelogger_: Did yo usee jdong's volume key patch? | 13:19 |
| apachelogger_ | no, wasn't able to check quasse yet | 13:23 |
| apachelogger_ | still @work | 13:23 |
| ScottK | apachelogger_: OK. Just want to make sure we roll it into the 4.1.3 upload since it fixes a regression. | 13:25 |
| apachelogger_ | can do | 13:27 |
| exobuzz | ive been visiting kubuntu.net wondering why there is no mention of the intrepid release.. and now i see there is kubuntu.org | 13:34 |
| exobuzz | so whats happened with kubuntu.net ? | 13:34 |
| Riddell | exobuzz: sysadmins failed to update it when new website came on, I have an outstanding rt ticket with them about it | 13:35 |
| exobuzz | oh | 13:36 |
| Riddell | I'll add poking sysadmins to my todo list :) | 13:37 |
| * apachelogger_ didn't even know there was kubuntu.net | 13:38 | |
| exobuzz | thanks | 13:38 |
| exobuzz | i thought kubuntu.net was the main site | 13:38 |
| exobuzz | :) | 13:38 |
| seele | it does seem kindof silly there are two kubuntu sites like that | 13:40 |
| jussi01 | kubuntu.net should just redirect to kubuntu.org... | 13:41 |
| exobuzz | maybe its a website marketing ploy | 13:41 |
| exobuzz | ;-) | 13:41 |
| ScottK | What's the standard answer for people who complain about Katapult is missing in KDE4? | 13:53 |
| JontheEchidna | "use krunner" ? | 13:54 |
| JontheEchidna | just tell them to press alt+f2 ;-) | 13:54 |
| apachelogger_ | use katapult | 13:55 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Thanks. | 13:56 |
| ScottK | apachelogger_: ? | 13:56 |
| apachelogger_ | !info katapult | 14:08 |
| ubottu | Package katapult does not exist in intrepid | 14:08 |
| apachelogger_ | hm, apparently it got removed | 14:08 |
| ScottK | apachelogger_: Yes. It's KDE3 only. It looks like the alt-F2 thing is a reasonable replacement (not identical, so people will scream). | 14:12 |
| JontheEchidna | I've heard good things about krunner from katapult users in #kubuntu | 14:14 |
| seele | it does pretty much the same thing, it just looks a little different and i think the shortcuts are a littls different | 14:14 |
| JontheEchidna | but then again I've heard good things about KDE4 there too ;) | 14:14 |
| seele | you have to type =1+2 instead of just 1+2 | 14:15 |
| ScottK | Would it make sense to have krunner 'replace' katapult in a packaging sense? My upgraded system still had a non-working katapult installed after the upgrade. | 14:16 |
| JontheEchidna | I suppose a conflict/replace on it in kdebase-workspace-bin would do the trick | 14:18 |
| JontheEchidna | well technically it doesn't conflict | 14:18 |
| ScottK | Not sure. | 14:19 |
| apachelogger_ | doesn't make sense | 14:19 |
| apachelogger_ | krunner depends half of kdebase-workspace | 14:19 |
| ScottK | I do think finding a way to get non-working KDE3 stuff off of systems that upgrade is generically good. | 14:19 |
| apachelogger_ | unlike katapult which only required kdelibs IIRC | 14:19 |
| apachelogger_ | ScottK: update-manager would remove packages which were removed from the archives I think | 14:20 |
| ScottK | Well it doesn't exist in a KDE4 version and the KDE3 version doesn't work, so it ought to go somehow. | 14:20 |
| apachelogger_ | why does the katapult KDE 3 version not work btw? | 14:20 |
| ScottK | apachelogger_: Nope. This was part of the idea behind the currently much maligned 'cruft cleaner' | 14:21 |
| ScottK | For the one test I gave it, it looked on the wrong place for the binary and failed. | 14:21 |
| ScottK | So it runs, it just didnd't know how to launch stuff. | 14:21 |
| ScottK | That's fairly fatal given it's purpose. | 14:22 |
| apachelogger_ | sounds weird though | 14:22 |
| ScottK | Dunno. I've removed it now, so it'd be a pain to put it back. | 14:22 |
| * ScottK wonders why mez is blogging on planed KDE about his Gnome install. | 14:23 | |
| rien-ne-va-plus | hi guys, is there any news regarding when bluetooth will be available for 8.10 ? | 15:19 |
| ScottK | rien-ne-va-plus: It's being actively worked. I asked one of the people working on it late last week and they said at least a couple more weeks. | 15:28 |
| rien-ne-va-plus | ScottK: thanks for the info - ill try gnome-bluez then | 15:30 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: It turned out I had katapult running still. It appears it still works for kde3 apps and fails on kde4 apps (looks at /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kate for example) | 15:34 |
| emonkey | ScottK, yes I can confirm that, I've got the same problem, but for now I'm just using the search in K-Menu or krunner, not that bad, works fine or me | 15:37 |
| emonkey | *for | 15:37 |
| ScottK | emonkey: katapult is kde3 only, so you'd best start geting used to those alternatives. They're the way of the future.... | 15:41 |
| emonkey | Yes I practice that for about a week | 15:41 |
| stdin | I have a conundrum... I can get my strings in solid translated, but it'll require linking solid against kdecore | 16:20 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: probably some stupid patch | 17:08 |
| apachelogger | there is no reason why it would look in usr/lib/kde4/bin | 17:08 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: ETA for beta3? | 17:12 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: on it now - 2 hours, maybe 3 | 17:13 |
| apachelogger | okies | 17:14 |
| apachelogger | *updating* | 17:14 |
| * Tm_T is struggling with cmake segfaults | 17:14 | |
| apachelogger | jdong: thanks for the patch | 17:23 |
| jdong | apachelogger: absolutely, my pleasure. KDE4 is shaping to be really awesome :) | 17:23 |
| apachelogger | jdong: glad to hear, though I have to mention that 4.1 is crap compared to trunk ;-) | 17:24 |
| jdong | apachelogger: I can certainly imagine! | 17:25 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: I've just about got my system back to normal after the fresh install. I am planning on trying out KDE 4.2 trunk in a vm. I assume a Kubuntu Intrepid image, apt-get remove kdelibs5 and add the neon repo and install the kde nightly?: Correct or do you have a better suggestion | 17:32 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: IMHO you should let the regular KDE stick around | 17:32 |
| apachelogger | using neon's KDM is a) very dangerous b) very hackish | 17:33 |
| apachelogger | so you would have to use XDM or GDM | 17:33 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: ah... ok, so if I leave regular KDE around, How should I install nightly and how do I properly launch/run from that install? | 17:34 |
| apachelogger | install the package kde-nightly then you should have a session option in KDM | 17:34 |
| apachelogger | kde-nightly only brings in kdebase, for the other stuff you'll need to install kde-nightly-foobar | 17:35 |
| * apachelogger counts votes on ncommander's motu application | 17:35 | |
| rgreening | ty apachelogger | 17:35 |
| apachelogger | bug 292403 | 17:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 292403 in firefox-3.0 "MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps" [Medium,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292403 | 17:42 |
| * apachelogger thinks we should drop kubuntu-desktop and just make all of KDE recommend all of KDE | 17:43 | |
| apachelogger | after all, you don't get the complete konqueror experience without being able to embedd dragonplayer's kpart | 17:43 |
| JontheEchidna | +1 | 17:45 |
| ScottK | jdong: Interested in another key mapping problem? | 17:46 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: suggestins for a course of action? | 17:47 |
| JontheEchidna | mmmm.... | 17:47 |
| * apachelogger thinks about making it affact every single package manager we have | 17:47 | |
| JontheEchidna | apt, aptitude, update-manager, adept, synaptic | 17:48 |
| apachelogger | kpackage | 17:48 |
| apachelogger | though, does kpackage download stuff at all? | 17:48 |
| apachelogger | packagekit | 17:49 |
| apachelogger | smartpm | 17:49 |
| apachelogger | I think that should be all | 17:49 |
| * ScottK restrains himself from commenting in the Firefox bug. | 17:52 | |
| Tm_T | ScottK: why so | 17:53 |
| jdong | ScottK: trying to unbreak my brightness keys :) | 17:53 |
| ScottK | jdong: OK. When your ready for another one, let me know. | 17:53 |
| ScottK | Tm_T: Because I'm trying to have a more positive attitude and pasting asac all over the bug for his dismissive attitude about Kubuntu wouldn't fit that. | 17:54 |
| Tm_T | ScottK: the bug mentioned above? | 17:54 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 17:54 |
| Tm_T | roger | 17:54 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: would update-manager actually install the recommends? | 17:54 |
| * apachelogger isn't too sure about that | 17:55 | |
| JontheEchidna | perhaps if firefox got dragged in as a new package that needed to be installed | 17:55 |
| jdong | ScottK: interestingly it seems like installing kde4 also broke GNOME's brightness keys, has to do with keymapping | 17:55 |
| jdong | trying to investigate | 17:55 |
| JontheEchidna | they did change apt to automagically install recommends | 17:55 |
| jdong | it turns the brightness keys into audio stop/play keys. | 17:55 |
| jdong | that's a nice feature because my macbook doesn't have stop/play keys | 17:55 |
| jdong | though I would like my brighness keys back :D | 17:56 |
| apachelogger | lol | 17:56 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Yep. | 17:56 |
| apachelogger | jdong: check the xmodmap files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ | 17:56 |
| * ScottK came up with a productive suggestion. | 17:56 | |
| smarter | and /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kubuntu.xmodmap | 17:56 |
| smarter | I'm pretty sure this file isn't up to date with keysym changes, but don't have the hardware to test the keys | 17:57 |
| smarter | xev output should be helpful | 17:57 |
| apachelogger | smarter: that modmap wouldn't get used in GNOME | 17:57 |
| apachelogger | in fact, I doubt it would in KDE, because the path is non-kiosked :P | 17:58 |
| smarter | it is used in KDE | 17:58 |
| stdin | so the answer to bug 292403 is "stuff you KDE" :| | 17:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 292403 in update-manager "MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292403 | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: that comment is too logical by the way ;-) | 17:58 |
| smarter | and I removed a line in it which made the ins key map to play or something like that | 17:58 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: ;-) | 17:58 |
| DaSkreech | hi Hobbsee | 18:00 |
| apachelogger | stdin: the answer is that apachelogger takes certain comments very literally and makes everyone aware that he is disappointed in the disobeying of standards :P | 18:01 |
| stdin | standards only apply when Ubuntu want's them to | 18:03 |
| rgreening | ScottK/ apachelogger: I can't wait to see what happens when we have a qt firefox package. Is it going to be "you need all the gnome apps to be useful" stupidity again? | 18:04 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: very likely, TBH firefox is not the best example of cross-desktop applications | 18:04 |
| * rgreening thinks there should be a ff-gnome and ff-kde and ff-gnome holds the gnome deps as reccommends | 18:05 | |
| ScottK | We'll just make the KDE stuff recommends too using the same logic and see how it goes. | 18:05 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: "but people install firefox and would be confused" | 18:05 |
| JontheEchidna | I might switch to Konq once the webkit backend gets better | 18:05 |
| jdong | apachelogger: grumble well there's your problem :) | 18:05 |
| jdong | state 0x0, keycode 233 (keysym 0x1008ff02, XF86MonBrightnessUp), same_screen YES, | 18:05 |
| jdong | state 0x0, keycode 232 (keysym 0x1008ff03, XF86MonBrightnessDown), same_screen YES, | 18:05 |
| jdong | keycode 232 = XF86Stop | 18:06 |
| jdong | keycode 233 = XF86Forward | 18:06 |
| stdin | lets make all KDE apps depend on kubuntu-desktop, as it's "essential to get a complete <package> experience" | 18:06 |
| Tm_T | JontheEchidna: stop waiting and just use Konqueror, punk | 18:06 |
| apachelogger | <3 Tm_T | 18:06 |
| DaSkreech | Firefox and hrome are Windows applications | 18:06 |
| * JontheEchidna is running Minefield, very fast | 18:06 | |
| Tm_T | JontheEchidna: usually people run very fast in minefield | 18:07 |
| jdong | apachelogger: IMO those keybindings are wrong :) | 18:07 |
| apachelogger | jdong: I don't really know anything about that stuff ;-) | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | afk | 18:08 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: What happened to http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3244 ? | 18:09 |
| DaSkreech | Tm_T: For a short period of time | 18:09 |
| Tm_T | DaSkreech: perhaps | 18:10 |
| DaSkreech | Tm_T: I forget did I ask you about Kwibber? | 18:10 |
| Tm_T | you did, it's waiting for freetime | 18:10 |
| allee | jdong: looks like X11 is using another translation table than the one you checked | 18:10 |
| DaSkreech | ok who else is in on the idea? | 18:10 |
| Tm_T | well I'm only developer I know | 18:11 |
| Tm_T | bit busy until baby is born, after that who knows | 18:11 |
| DaSkreech | Publicized it any? | 18:11 |
| * DaSkreech chuckles. | 18:11 | |
| * rgreening probably shouldn't have posted a comment in the bug... waits for the backlash | 18:11 | |
| Tm_T | I have mentioned it in places, but it's more like I like to do it myself atleast FOR myself (:) | 18:11 |
| DaSkreech | I'm going to wager the busy goes up drastically for another 18-32 years after that | 18:11 |
| Tm_T | nah | 18:11 |
| jdong | allee: sorry, what do you mean? | 18:12 |
| allee | jdong: xev and therefore X11 translate keycode 232 to XF86MonBrightnessDown ... | 18:13 |
| DaSkreech | Tm_T: Blogged? | 18:13 |
| DaSkreech | Or microblogged it? ^_^ | 18:13 |
| Tm_T | DaSkreech: I don't do blog atm | 18:13 |
| Tm_T | and neither micro- | 18:13 |
| DaSkreech | >_> | 18:13 |
| allee | jdong: so your keycode 232 = XF86Stop is not used by X11 | 18:13 |
| Tm_T | will though | 18:13 |
| jdong | allee: well I am pressing the brightness down key | 18:13 |
| DaSkreech | So you are making a microblogger for yourself with no usage of Microblogging? | 18:13 |
| jdong | allee: and due to the keymap it's being treated as the XF86Stop key :) | 18:13 |
| jdong | allee: now maybe on some keyboards keycode 232 IS the stop key, but that's not the case on this Macbook keyboard where it's a brightness key | 18:14 |
| jdong | I just filed bug 293213 | 18:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 293213 in kubuntu-default-settings "k-d-s applies incorrect xmodmap that breaks macbook brightness keys" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/293213 | 18:14 |
| Tm_T | DaSkreech: no, I'm just been busy with other stuff so haven't microblogged for a month or so | 18:14 |
| DaSkreech | ok Where do you have accounts? | 18:14 |
| Tm_T | jaiku, identica, will try twitter at some point | 18:15 |
| DaSkreech | \o/ | 18:15 |
| DaSkreech | same sequence for me | 18:15 |
| DaSkreech | How come you aren't part of #kubuntu or #kde on Jaiku ? | 18:15 |
| Tm_T | because I'm not active yet, just starting my way there | 18:16 |
| DaSkreech | What's your nick on Jaiku? | 18:17 |
| jdong | allee: what key(s) does guidance expect for brightness keys | 18:17 |
| Tm_T | tmt I think | 18:17 |
| rgreening | ScottK, apachelogger: wrt bug 292403, it seems ubufox is the main culprit. What about a kubufox package and then the reccommends can be and either or for ubufox/kubufox and then we can sort this all out in Jaunty with a seed for kubufox. | 18:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 292403 in update-manager "MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292403 | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: it would use the either or in order of the list | 18:19 |
| ScottK | rgreening: I think that's generally sensible. I intend to discuss my suggestion with asac directly (i.e. not in the bug). I'll let you know how it turns out. | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | so ubufox|kubufox would still intall ubufox | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | unless kubufox is installed beforehand | 18:19 |
| rgreening | apachelogger... seed kubufox as partof the desktop? | 18:20 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: We'd need to drop it to suggests. | 18:20 |
| ScottK | But if it's part of the desktop see/metapackage, it should work out fine. | 18:20 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: that is what I was pointing out earlier ;-) | 18:20 |
| apachelogger | anywho | 18:20 |
| rgreening | sure... either way, we prob need this and we need ff dev to agree | 18:20 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: you might want to have knome join the discussion | 18:20 |
| allee | jdong: I agree with your bug report. | 18:20 |
| DaSkreech | \o/ | 18:20 |
| DaSkreech | Knome | 18:20 |
| DaSkreech | Love it | 18:20 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Who or what is knome? | 18:20 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: he was thinking about gettting kubufox and xubufox | 18:21 |
| rgreening | ScottK: I'd be willing to help out in any solution. | 18:21 |
| rgreening | ScottK: and discussions... | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: xubuntu's lead marketing dude | 18:21 |
| allee | jdong: I don't know that guidance used, but if there's a standardized XF86MonBrightness*, this is what guidance should use | 18:21 |
| ScottK | Oh. | 18:21 |
| jdong | allee: now the weird thing is, with those modmaps removed Guidance still doesn't see my brightness keys | 18:21 |
| jdong | allee: it doesn't seem like Guidance uses XF86MonBrightness* | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: he was thinking about getting a shared startpage source to avoid duplicated translations | 18:22 |
| jdong | allee: it uses Launch5 and Launch6 | 18:22 |
| jdong | WHAT? | 18:22 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I see. | 18:22 |
| jdong | allee: hmm it doesn't accept my brightness keys in shortcut settings either | 18:23 |
| jdong | it pretends it doesn't hear me | 18:23 |
| jdong | even though Xev sees the keys | 18:23 |
| allee | jdong: strange | 18:24 |
| DaSkreech | I feel like I should know myrtti | 18:24 |
| rgreening | ScottK: apachelogger: actually, further looking, it requires apturl... which brings in all the deps. I wonder if are are alternatives to apturl for KDE that we can ask to put into that package to make this better. | 18:24 |
| rgreening | ScottK: apachelogger: my gut tells me, we can make ubufox allow apturl or install-package to satisfy the dep in ubufox. That would fix the issue altogether (assuming install-package will work and we patch apturl to allow either. | 18:27 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: it would improve the issue, not fix it | 18:27 |
| apachelogger | firefox shouldn't recommend ubufox at all | 18:28 |
| apachelogger | I am not sure install-package expects the same kind of URLs though | 18:28 |
| rgreening | me neither. just an option/hope for a possibility | 18:32 |
| rgreening | :) | 18:32 |
| jdong | allee: brightnessUpAction.setShortcut(KShortcut(Qt.Key_Launch6)) | 19:05 |
| jdong | allee: in g-p-m.py, why do we hardcode Launch5 and Launch6 as brightness? | 19:05 |
| allee | jdong: wild guess: historic? | 19:06 |
| allee | jdong: mhhm, wasn't there something in /etc/acpi ... that mapped hardware events to X events. ????????? | 19:07 |
| jdong | allee: only if they are hardware events | 19:07 |
| jdong | allee: the macbook does not have any hardware mapped keys for brightness | 19:08 |
| jdong | they are standard software keyboard keys that must be handled by the UI :) | 19:08 |
| allee | yes :) | 19:08 |
| jdong | allee: lol I see the "history" | 19:08 |
| jdong | allee: Qt.* doesn't have Key_*Brightness* | 19:08 |
| jdong | allee: so that's why we need launch5 and launch6 | 19:11 |
| jdong | allee: wow, QT doesn't seem to recognize these keys period | 19:14 |
| jdong | allee: keyboard shortcuts can't grab the key | 19:14 |
| jdong | allee: and forcing the keysym results in displayed as "Meta-(blocky thing)" | 19:14 |
| * jdong tries a bit harder | 19:15 | |
| jdong | confirmed, Qt can't see the brightness keys. | 19:16 |
| jdong | what the hell | 19:23 |
| jdong | XF86Launch5 is actually QT:Key_Launch7 | 19:24 |
| jdong | XF86Launch6 is actually QT:Key_Launch8 | 19:24 |
| DaSkreech | Do we have a complaint area for the 8.10 transistion? | 19:33 |
| DaSkreech | It's bugs but bugs enmasse | 19:33 |
| apachelogger | DaSkreech: there is a bug to collect migration issues | 19:38 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna will know which one that is ;-) | 19:39 |
| * DaSkreech sits in front of JontheEchidna | 19:39 | |
| * JontheEchidna integrates brain to launchpad | 19:39 | |
| JontheEchidna | bug 220940 | 19:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 220940 in kubuntu-kde4-meta "KDE 4 Migration Issues" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220940 | 19:40 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: I can't get amarok to detect my ipod without compiling with libgpod-dev | 19:42 |
| JontheEchidna | libgpod-nogtk-dev makes it all not work, it seems | 19:43 |
| jussi01 | Alberto Milone or whoever made the update to nvidia settings, you rock my world!! | 19:47 |
| jussi01 | :D | 19:47 |
| jdong | is there a known issue with DPMS not activating? | 19:48 |
| ScottK | Who's going to UDS? | 19:55 |
| jussi01 | Not I says the crazy Aussie... | 20:00 |
| JohnFlux2 | ScottK: when is it? | 20:00 |
| ScottK | Early december | 20:01 |
| rgreening | me | 20:07 |
| ScottK | rgreening: asac wants to discuss Firefox, etc, at UDS. | 20:08 |
| ScottK | You want to be our expert? | 20:08 |
| rgreening | sure. nominate me :) | 20:09 |
| Arby | Does anybody know much about pyqt? Specifically about QFileDialog and how to get it to close after choosing a file? | 20:14 |
| ScottK | rgreening: You're nominated. | 20:14 |
| rgreening | ScottK: just let me know what everyone wants discussed, captured, promoted, discussed. and I'll do it :) | 20:15 |
| ScottK | You're in charge now. Go figure it out. | 20:16 |
| smarter | that's two times "discussed" :p | 20:18 |
| smarter | Arby: how do you call QFileDialog? | 20:19 |
| Arby | smarter: it's in that diff http://paste.ubuntu.com/66920/ | 20:20 |
| Arby | see line 26 on | 20:20 |
| smarter | well, when the users clicks open, it's closed | 20:21 |
| Arby | that's my understanding | 20:21 |
| Arby | except it doesn't | 20:21 |
| smarter | Oo | 20:21 |
| smarter | what happens exactly when open is clicked, nothing? | 20:21 |
| Arby | the filename is inserted into the associated Qlineedit correctly | 20:21 |
| Arby | but the dialog disappears then comes back | 20:22 |
| Arby | in a split second | 20:22 |
| Arby | if I click on the file 3 time the dialog closes | 20:22 |
| Arby | clearly I've stuffed up somewhere | 20:22 |
| Arby | but I've no idea where | 20:22 |
| Arby | hang on, let me make a screenshot | 20:23 |
| smarter | btw, you could use setFileMode(QFileDialog::ExistingFile) instead of checking for if path.isfile | 20:23 |
| smarter | (on the QFileDialog) | 20:24 |
| smarter | maybe the on_filechooser_... functions is called more than one time? | 20:26 |
| Arby | smarter: http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3/scpkde2aa6.jpg | 20:27 |
| Arby | thanks for the setfilemode tip | 20:27 |
| Arby | I don't think the function should be called more than once but I'll check | 20:28 |
| Arby | that function didn't exist until I added it | 20:28 |
| smarter | but it's a slot, so maybe the signal is emitted more than one time | 20:29 |
| smarter | (wouldn't "Browse..." be a better pushbutton name than "..." for choosing a file?) | 20:29 |
| jjesse | yes | 20:29 |
| Arby | I didn't name it | 20:29 |
| Arby | but I will get around to changing it | 20:29 |
| jjesse | my wife always looks for browse to save files instead of ... | 20:30 |
| Arby | If I new how I'd get it to show a folder icon | 20:30 |
| Arby | *knew | 20:30 |
| Arby | well the button now says browse anyway :) | 20:33 |
| smarter | Arby: you want to show an icon on the button? | 20:33 |
| Arby | why not. I commonly associate an open folder icon with a button to open files | 20:34 |
| smarter | you need to use KPushButton for that | 20:34 |
| smarter | it can takes a KIcon and a QString | 20:34 |
| smarter | qpushbutton don't afaik | 20:34 |
| Arby | thanks for the hint | 20:34 |
| smarter | s/don't/can't/ | 20:34 |
| Arby | this app seems to use a combination of pykde and pyqt so maybe I'll do that | 20:35 |
| smarter | well, when you use KDE functions you must use Qt ones too ;) | 20:36 |
| Arby | yeah. I know. I'm very much a novice | 20:38 |
| Arby | this is the first non-toy app I've worked with :) | 20:38 |
| Riddell | Arby: looking at s-c-p-k? | 20:39 |
| Arby | Riddell: yes | 20:40 |
| Arby | getting a bit lost | 20:40 |
| Arby | specifically bug 204763 | 20:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 204763 in system-config-printer-kde "system-config-printer-kde does not accept PPD file supplied by user" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204763 | 20:41 |
| Arby | which relates to this dialog http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3/scpkde2aa6.jpg | 20:41 |
| Arby | there were really two problems. | 20:42 |
| Arby | this one http://paste.ubuntu.com/66357/ | 20:42 |
| Arby | which I got past. | 20:42 |
| Arby | and the fact that the browse file button wasn't connected to anything | 20:42 |
| Arby | so I started trying to connect it up and got stuck | 20:43 |
| Riddell | which browse button? the "..." one? | 20:43 |
| Arby | yes | 20:43 |
| Riddell | what widget is it? | 20:43 |
| Arby | the button is a QPushButton I think, let me check the ui file | 20:44 |
| Arby | yes it is | 20:44 |
| Arby | I've also relabelled the '...' button as 'Browse' if that's ok | 20:45 |
| Arby | in fact all my changes are here http://paste.ubuntu.com/66920/ | 20:46 |
| Riddell | looks fine, that doesn't work? | 20:48 |
| Arby | no, the filename is entered in the lineedit but the file dialog doesn't close | 20:49 |
| Arby | unless I click the file 3 times | 20:49 |
| Arby | and I have no idea why | 20:49 |
| Arby | there's no console output | 20:49 |
| Riddell | even if you click the ok button> | 20:50 |
| Riddell | ]? | 20:50 |
| ScottK | Is http://paste.ubuntu.com/66943 worth reporting in a bug (Konsole crash)? | 20:50 |
| Arby | if I click the file then the filename is entered in the lineedit. the dialog blinks and immediately reappears | 20:50 |
| Arby | even clicking cancel I have to click 3 times to get it to cancel | 20:51 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: looks juicy | 20:53 |
| Riddell | Arby: oh, I know | 20:53 |
| Riddell | Arby: it's pyqt trying to be clever | 20:54 |
| Riddell | Arby: it's because your method name is the same as the slot name, so it calls it magically | 20:54 |
| Arby | Riddell: a-ha. | 20:54 |
| Riddell | Arby: either rename the slot or try removing the connect line | 20:54 |
| Arby | ok | 20:54 |
| Riddell | that confused the heck out of me when I came across it | 20:54 |
| Arby | I thought it was me being dumb | 20:54 |
| * Arby goes to try | 20:55 | |
| Arby | Riddell: renaming the slot did it. | 21:00 |
| Arby | I'd never have figured that out | 21:00 |
| Riddell | yeah, it's a misfeature in my opinion | 21:00 |
| Arby | but isn't enabling the forward button. | 21:01 |
| Arby | I need to find the right attribute of the line edit | 21:01 |
| Riddell | for what? | 21:01 |
| Riddell | qt:qlineedit | 21:01 |
| smarter | actually, shouldn't all the connect statements in http://paste.ubuntu.com/66920/ be removed? | 21:02 |
| Riddell | smarter: I prefer to have them explicit than implicit | 21:02 |
| smarter | then every slot renamed | 21:02 |
| smarter | because the same thing must happens everywhere | 21:03 |
| Riddell | SIGNAL("toggled(bool)"), self.on_rbtnNPFoomatic_toggled) I don't think that works magically because it takes an argument | 21:03 |
| smarter | oh yes, you need to add a python decorator for that to work | 21:03 |
| Arby | Riddell: yes, for checking if QLineEdit has text in it | 21:03 |
| smarter | but the name is still confusing | 21:03 |
| smarter | and it probably set ups an unneeded connect from it | 21:04 |
| smarter | *sets up | 21:04 |
| smarter | *setups :) | 21:04 |
| Arby | I tried QLineEdit.text() but that isn't working | 21:04 |
| Riddell | Arby: foo.text().length() > 0 ? | 21:05 |
| Arby | let me try | 21:05 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Bug 293281 is all your now. | 21:07 |
| ScottK | your/yours | 21:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 293281 in kdebase "Konsole crash after splitting/unsplitting window" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/293281 | 21:07 |
| smarter | Riddell: Arby: if (not foo.text().isEmpty()) | 21:09 |
| Riddell | smarter wins | 21:10 |
| Arby | smarter: thanks | 21:10 |
| smarter | :) | 21:10 |
| smarter | yw | 21:10 |
| smarter | actually it's strange, text() is a qt3 support function of QTextEdit | 21:11 |
| Arby | smarter: I'm trying to work from http://doc.trolltech.com/4.0/qlineedit.html | 21:12 |
| nixternal | if (!foo.text().isEmpy()) { ....; } <- do it in C++, it is much better :P | 21:13 |
| Riddell | smarter: no it's not, it's a property | 21:13 |
| Riddell | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qlineedit.html#text-prop | 21:13 |
| nixternal | better than this damn java I am writing here | 21:13 |
| Arby | nixternal: not if you don't speak c++ it isn't :) | 21:13 |
| Arby | especially when the app is in python | 21:14 |
| nixternal | workin' on the printer applet? | 21:14 |
| nixternal | heh, I remember working on it like 9 months ago in class one evening, and tested the "clean printer heads"...whoa it sent the laser jet printer at the front of the classroom in a frenzy...good stuff | 21:15 |
| Arby | brb | 21:15 |
| * ScottK notes this http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/826-There-is-a-BBC-in-my-Amarok.html for the "Ubuntu catch up" spec | 21:18 | |
| Riddell | kick arse | 21:19 |
| Riddell | totem's bbc plugin didn't work for me | 21:20 |
| Riddell | I wonder how many of those feeds are video and how many audio | 21:20 |
| ScottK | Dunno. I get my BBC news in an email once a day. That's good enough for me. | 21:21 |
| Riddell | not prefer home grown Fox news? :) | 21:22 |
| ScottK | All news services have an angle, so I prefer to read a variety. | 21:23 |
| ScottK | Although Fox is not generally on my list of credible sources to consider. | 21:23 |
| Riddell | made a decision for tomorrow? | 21:23 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 21:24 |
| Arby | smarter: Riddell: this is the code to enable the forward button and it isn't working | 21:24 |
| Arby | http://paste.ubuntu.com/66959/ | 21:24 |
| Arby | any suggestions | 21:24 |
| Riddell | Arby: why is that bool() there? | 21:25 |
| ScottK | Does the HP printer thing we install by default know printer status for non-HP printers? | 21:25 |
| Arby | no idea, that's where I found it | 21:25 |
| Arby | I didn't add it | 21:25 |
| Riddell | Arby: separate out the stuff inside the first brackets and put it in a print str(..) | 21:25 |
| Riddell | see what it's doing | 21:25 |
| Arby | Riddell: you mean the bit within the bool() ? | 21:27 |
| Riddell | Arby: yep | 21:27 |
| Riddell | ScottK: no I don't think so | 21:29 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I don't like that HP app, vendor specific apps that take up space in the systray remind me too much of windaes | 21:29 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Well the HP app is doing everything the one we ship does for me and doing it without getting lost about are print jobs done. | 21:30 |
| ScottK | Of course my printer is HP ... | 21:30 |
| Riddell | ScottK: it actually doesn't manage to connect to one of my HP printers, but yeah, printer-applet and s-c-p-k needs love | 21:31 |
| Riddell | which, they'll get I'm confident | 21:31 |
| Riddell | ScottK: so, who's getting your vote? | 21:33 |
| ScottK | I'd like to vote for the 2000 edition of McCain, but he's not running. | 21:34 |
| Riddell | he's changed? | 21:34 |
| yuriy | there's a new version, McCain Vista | 21:34 |
| ScottK | He was a lot more independent and sensible before. | 21:34 |
| Riddell | I thought he was doing his best to separate himself from Bush this time? | 21:35 |
| ScottK | I'm going to hold my nose and vote for him anyway though because I think he's better than Obama. | 21:35 |
| yuriy | *sigh* | 21:35 |
| Riddell | yuriy: I presume you don't get a vote? | 21:35 |
| yuriy | Riddell: I do | 21:35 |
| yuriy | well, not really, because I live in MA | 21:35 |
| Riddell | oh, interesting | 21:35 |
| yuriy | it's a nominal vote :P | 21:35 |
| ScottK | Well he's been trying to "Be not like Bush, but keep the Bush faithful excited" and I think he's rather failed at both. | 21:35 |
| ScottK | yuriy: Same for me living in MD. | 21:36 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: My dad feels the same way I think | 21:36 |
| JontheEchidna | he wants the 2000 McCain | 21:36 |
| JontheEchidna | but he doesn't really like either this time around | 21:36 |
| Riddell | yuriy: you're an Obama man I take it? | 21:36 |
| ScottK | I'm sort of betting that once the election crap is behind us that version will re-emerge. | 21:36 |
| yuriy | Riddell: yeah. | 21:36 |
| yuriy | somebody on planet linked to this today: http://donmilleris.com/2008/11/03/from-reagan-to-obama-a-brief-political-history/ great post | 21:37 |
| * ScottK has a brother living in MA who is also. | 21:37 | |
| ScottK | yuriy: I saw that and it's really orthogonal to my reasoning. | 21:37 |
| ScottK | Personally I'm getting sick of the "If you're not for Obama you must be an idiot or a racist" discussions. | 21:38 |
| ScottK | Forgot: or ignorant. | 21:38 |
| yuriy | no, I can see why reasonable people would support McCain, especially pre-campaign McCain. of course then there's Palin.. | 21:39 |
| Riddell | so when you tick the box on the voting paper does it say the name of the presidential candidate or the name of the electoral college people? | 21:39 |
| Arby | Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/66970/ | 21:39 |
| ScottK | It actually says both here. | 21:39 |
| Riddell | and who are the electoral college people? nominated by the parties? | 21:39 |
| Arby | Riddell: it doesn't seem to detect the text being present | 21:40 |
| Riddell | Arby: add a print statement for "not self.filechooserPPD.text().isEmpty" see what it's saying | 21:40 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Something like that. I'm not actually sure. | 21:41 |
| Riddell | Arby: also I'd add one for just self.filechooserPPD.text() | 21:41 |
| Arby | just doing that very thing | 21:41 |
| Arby | and that | 21:41 |
| Riddell | you're getting into the debug mode of thinking :) | 21:42 |
| nixternal | bah Obama, even if he is from Chicago! | 21:42 |
| nixternal | though I will be at the Obama rally tomorrow :) | 21:43 |
| ScottK | Meeting girls?? | 21:43 |
| nixternal | hopefully! | 21:43 |
| Arby | oh no hang on | 21:43 |
| nixternal | wearing my mccain/palin gear | 21:43 |
| Arby | the call is 'not isEmpty' so false == full | 21:44 |
| Arby | I have to go for a little while | 21:44 |
| Arby | I'll poke more later | 21:44 |
| ScottK | nixternal: That's not likely to work. | 21:44 |
| Arby | at least I know I'm on the right track | 21:44 |
| * Riddell can't work out who nixternal means to vote for | 21:44 | |
| ScottK | He means to vote for McCain and try to pick up girls at the Obama rally. | 21:45 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I am voting for Bob Barr Jr....if he gets 5% of the vote here in Illinois, then he can be on the ballot uncontested in the future, or the Liberatarian party can | 21:46 |
| nixternal | my vote in Illinois doesn't really count anyways for who I really want to win, so I might as well attempt to make it count somewhat | 21:46 |
| ScottK | yuriy: I'll confess the other thing I'm betting on is McCain's continued health. | 21:47 |
| * nixternal bets McCain and Palin steal it tomorrow and win by 2 states | 21:47 | |
| nixternal | haha, like a bad hand of poker :P | 21:47 |
| yuriy | nixternal: all for voting for 3rd parties | 21:48 |
| Riddell | gosh, that's all of you so far complaining about your vote not counting, why is there no campaign for a more sensible voting system? | 21:48 |
| * ScottK thinks either will be a significant improvement. | 21:48 | |
| nixternal | Riddell: because the democrats and republicans would chew your arms off for even trying :) | 21:48 |
| ScottK | Riddell: There is periodically, but Consitutional amendments are, by design, very hard. | 21:48 |
| nixternal | that's what happens when you have 2-party politics for so long | 21:48 |
| ScottK | Actually most of the problem can be fixed at the state level. | 21:49 |
| ScottK | IIRC only ME allows it's electoral votes to be split. | 21:49 |
| ScottK | If more states did that, then there would be a lot less 'not counting'. | 21:49 |
| Riddell | right, all the states could do that | 21:49 |
| DaSkreech | ScottK: Fox can be under comedy | 21:49 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 21:49 |
| yuriy | there's that, and also I think it would help if more candidates that are considered fringe in their parties ran as independents | 21:49 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: that upload settings to bzr branch application was only ever a two hour proof of concept, I never intended for it to go further | 21:50 |
| Arby | right finished showing the gf how add users from the commandline :) | 21:51 |
| nixternal | ScottK: Illinois won't do that because Chicago is Democrat and the rest of teh state is Republican...Chicago doesn't want to lose the hold it has on the rest of the state | 21:51 |
| Arby | back to work | 21:51 |
| bddebian | Sounds like PA | 21:51 |
| nixternal | boo | 21:51 |
| ScottK | nixternal: This is similarly true in most states. | 21:51 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: ok | 21:51 |
| nixternal | wasabi mr da freezey :) | 21:52 |
| bddebian | Nada, you? | 21:52 |
| bddebian | I'm just celebrating the last day of my country as I know it | 21:52 |
| DaSkreech | Arby: you taught her adduser? | 21:52 |
| Arby | very basic | 21:52 |
| DaSkreech | hail nixternal | 21:52 |
| Arby | in the absence of a gui currently | 21:53 |
| crimsun | bddebian: err, didn't that happen in 1776? | 21:53 |
| Riddell | bddebian: who's box are you going to tick? | 21:53 |
| bddebian | crimsun: Now we are going back the other way :) | 21:53 |
| nixternal | bddebian: hahaha, celebrate tonight come on! | 21:53 |
| bddebian | Riddell: Dunno. I'd like to vote for Bob Barr but it's a throw away vote unfortunately | 21:53 |
| crimsun | meh, I'm writing in mickey mouse | 21:54 |
| nixternal | bddebian: no it isn't...get the 5% so the liberatarian's can get their uncontested ballot space | 21:54 |
| DaSkreech | crimsun: That's copyright infringement | 21:54 |
| ScottK | bddebian: Well you live in a state that happens to have at least some potential to be competitive. | 21:54 |
| nixternal | crimsun: haha, I used to write mickey mouse all of the time | 21:54 |
| yuriy | bddebian: what state are you in/ | 21:54 |
| nixternal | ya, McCain/Palin will win PA | 21:54 |
| DaSkreech | Who started that? | 21:54 |
| nixternal | Steal FL | 21:54 |
| crimsun | DaSkreech: no it's not; note the capitalisation and seemingly invisible extended characters | 21:54 |
| nixternal | shoot up Ohio | 21:54 |
| bddebian | nixternal: It'll never happen :( | 21:55 |
| bddebian | yuriy: Pennsylvania | 21:55 |
| yuriy | bddebian: oh, PA? that's considered a swing state, isn't it | 21:55 |
| nixternal | bddebian: youd on't think McCain/Palin will win PA? | 21:55 |
| nixternal | you are the only one, because even the libs are saying they are more than likely going to lose it | 21:55 |
| ScottK | McCain is behind there, but there's some potential for it to be gloxe. | 21:55 |
| ScottK | urgh | 21:55 |
| ScottK | gloxe/close | 21:55 |
| bddebian | I think Our Lord and Savior Obama will win and I'll be moving the new country of Texas ;-P | 21:55 |
| nixternal | don't believe the polls | 21:55 |
| nixternal | bddebian: hahahahhaha | 21:56 |
| nixternal | come here to Chicago, where you can see just how well obama has done to Cook County by placing the people he did a few years back | 21:56 |
| bddebian | Of course McCain is headed down the socialism train too, just slower | 21:56 |
| nixternal | 10% sales tax | 21:56 |
| nixternal | the highest property taxes in teh US | 21:56 |
| Riddell | bddebian: sounds like you should join "the #kubuntu-devel campaign for single transferable vote in the US" | 21:56 |
| nixternal | the highest amount of poverty per square mile now | 21:56 |
| nixternal | we totalyl rock here with the dems in charge | 21:56 |
| DaSkreech | Haiti? | 21:56 |
| bddebian | nixternal: I grew up in IL. My folks still live there. Chicago is a disaster. :( | 21:56 |
| nixternal | bddebian: where at in IL? | 21:57 |
| nixternal | hillbilly land? | 21:57 |
| nixternal | south of 80? :P | 21:57 |
| bddebian | nixternal: My mom is in Bloomington. My dad is still on the farm in between Bloomington and Peoria | 21:57 |
| nixternal | yup, south of 80 | 21:57 |
| crimsun | nixternal: unfortunately no USA political party will do much to change that | 21:57 |
| crimsun | change occurs on an individual level | 21:58 |
| jussi01 | we should create a channel #kubuntu-devel-politics :D | 21:58 |
| bddebian | That's called #debian-devel ;-P | 21:58 |
| * nixternal goes back to work before the world blows up | 21:58 | |
| nixternal | hahaha | 21:58 |
| jussi01 | bddebian: lol | 21:58 |
| bddebian | nixternal: Why work? When Obama is elected we won't need jobs. The gubmint will do everything for us. | 21:58 |
| Riddell | nixternal: are you suggesting 10% sales tax is high? | 21:59 |
| yuriy | bddebian: why? wouldn't you still work? | 21:59 |
| bddebian | Hell yes when Nevada and Texas are at 0% :) | 21:59 |
| nixternal | lol, ya 10% is insane | 21:59 |
| Riddell | I think this is a different definition of the word "socialism" than that to which I have been used | 21:59 |
| bddebian | yuriy: Why work when I can get my free welfare check^ err "tax credit" | 22:00 |
| yuriy | Riddell: is this the first you've heard of this? | 22:00 |
| Riddell | yuriy: minimum VAT allowed in EU is 15% | 22:00 |
| smarter | 19,6% here in France :P | 22:00 |
| bddebian | Gimme a freakin' flat tax damnit! :) | 22:01 |
| yuriy | Riddell: I know, vaguely. I meant about how americans think any non-negligible tax is "socialism" | 22:01 |
| * jussi01 lives in a "socialist" country (well I guess you could call it that) and it works pretty well... we do have the largest mobile phone manufacturer in the world... | 22:01 | |
| Riddell | jussi01: not worried that your country is overdependant on one company? | 22:01 |
| Riddell | I wonder what % of Finlandish GDP Nokia makes up | 22:01 |
| bddebian | yuriy: No tax isn't socialism per se. | 22:01 |
| crimsun | bddebian: I ain't gonna clean up your poop no matter who gets elected! | 22:02 |
| bddebian | heh | 22:02 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: not overly, because we have a fantastic _renewable_ natural resource to fall back on when times are hard | 22:02 |
| Riddell | jussi01: you do? snow power? | 22:02 |
| Riddell | lapland tourism? | 22:02 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: the wood/paper industry | 22:03 |
| yuriy | jussi01: that's renewable? O_o | 22:03 |
| Riddell | that's hardly unique, plenty countries can compete with that | 22:03 |
| crimsun | but who can compete with chilled monkey brains? | 22:03 |
| sebas | Egypt! | 22:03 |
| smarter | Arby: actually, you have to use toPlainText().isEmpty() instead of text() which is deprecated | 22:03 |
| ScottK | jussi01: Sounds like Canada, but without the actual tech industry (Nokia). | 22:04 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: I didnt say people couldnt compete, but the fact is the policies here make sure it is renewable and remains that way. | 22:04 |
| Arby | smarter: so you mean foo.toPlainText().isEmpty() ? | 22:04 |
| smarter | yes | 22:04 |
| jussi01 | Not too mention we have one of the best education systems in the world... | 22:04 |
| yuriy | jussi01: interesting. linky about these policies? | 22:04 |
| jussi01 | yuriy: moment please | 22:05 |
| ScottK | jussi01: I think such things work generally better in smaller more economically homogenous countries. | 22:05 |
| bddebian | Yeah, let's send them about 25,000,000 "immigrants" :) | 22:05 |
| yuriy | ScottK: agree on that | 22:06 |
| ScottK | Actually you can look at the insurance system in MA as an example of something similar. | 22:06 |
| ScottK | It'd never work nationally, but there it's good. | 22:07 |
| Arby | smarter: toPlainText() is an attribute error ? | 22:07 |
| smarter | strange | 22:08 |
| smarter | oh, it's toPlainText in PyQt | 22:09 |
| Riddell | nothing about toPlainText() in http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qlineedit.html | 22:09 |
| smarter | oh forget that | 22:10 |
| Riddell | and http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qlineedit.html#text-prop doesn't say anything about being deprecated | 22:10 |
| * smarter was looking at the wrong doc ^^' | 22:10 | |
| bddebian | Hmm, I think I'll write in Condoleeza Rice | 22:10 |
| smarter | it's qtextedit text() which is deprecated | 22:10 |
| smarter | Arby: sorry :P | 22:10 |
| Arby | smarter: no problem :) | 22:10 |
| * smarter is obviously tired | 22:11 | |
| smarter | 'night guys | 22:11 |
| jussi01 | yuriy: I cant find the policies proper, I suspect they are in finnish, but this article gives some idea on the policies and how finns feel about the forrests, though it is hardly a policy article: ftp://ftp.fao.org/docrep/fao/005/y9882e/y9882e02.pdf | 22:12 |
| Riddell | bddebian: when you say socialism, are you thinking of communism or just a high tax government? | 22:14 |
| yuriy | neither of which is socialism... | 22:14 |
| ScottK | True. | 22:15 |
| Riddell | yuriy: you're thinking of an anarchistic system? | 22:15 |
| bddebian | Finland is a relatively large country at 5 million? :) | 22:15 |
| ScottK | But it does appear that the amount of 'tax cut' people will get under Obama's plan is more than the total tax they currently pay. | 22:15 |
| Riddell | a good size for a country that :) | 22:16 |
| jussi01 | bddebian: yes, in land area, for europe it is large... | 22:16 |
| yuriy | no.. communism can be anarchistic, socialism is defined as everything is run by the government, isn't it? I'm actually a bit fuzzy on the correct definitions, not having read the literature, but I feel like I have an idea of what it's not | 22:16 |
| bddebian | Riddell: Really it's probably more Marxist if we want to get specific. I find all the "fairness" stuff to be garbage. | 22:16 |
| ScottK | Which isn't exactly Socialist, but some people are understandably grumpy about it. | 22:16 |
| bddebian | ScottK: People who don't pay taxes will be getting a "tax cut" as I understand it. | 22:17 |
| Arby | Riddell: currently I have http://paste.ubuntu.com/66983/ | 22:17 |
| ScottK | yuriy: Right, but Communism has never actually happened. The "Communists" ran "Socialist" governments until the glorious day some time in the future when true "Communism" would arrived. | 22:17 |
| Arby | Riddell: but the print occurs as soon as I click the provide PPD file radio button | 22:18 |
| ScottK | bddebian: Isn't that what I said? | 22:18 |
| Riddell | Arby: and is it empty? | 22:18 |
| Arby | Riddell: at that point yes | 22:18 |
| * ScottK wonders off. | 22:18 | |
| Arby | I think the check is happening before I've entered the filename | 22:18 |
| bddebian | ScottK: Yeah, sorry misread | 22:18 |
| Arby | so I think I need to call the 'enable forward button' after the file has been selected | 22:19 |
| Arby | Riddell: does that sound sane or am I on the wrong track | 22:19 |
| Riddell | that seems sensible | 22:19 |
| Arby | right, good, now how to do that | 22:19 |
| Riddell | Arby: just call the method at the end of the browse_clicked() method | 22:20 |
| jussi01 | hehe, its so funny to see predictions 5 years ago of what has just happened... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3026597.stm | 22:20 |
| Arby | Riddell: oh it really is that simple | 22:20 |
| Arby | good | 22:20 |
| danimo | heya | 22:21 |
| Riddell | hi danimo, we're talking politics tonight :) | 22:21 |
| bddebian | heh | 22:22 |
| jussi01 | Still up there with being the most competitive, 6th most this year :D http://www.investinfinland.fi/news/2008/en_GB/WEF_08/ | 22:22 |
| danimo | Riddell: What a coincidence, I was about to complain about bits I found when upgrading to intrepid | 22:22 |
| Riddell | danimo: go for it | 22:22 |
| danimo | Riddell: you know how that goes whenever I update distros, I prefer to whine to the devels, not the world (via planet) | 22:23 |
| bddebian | jussi01: Did anyone of us say we didn't like Finland or something? :) | 22:23 |
| JontheEchidna | amarok2 beta3 packages published :D | 22:23 |
| danimo | Riddell: first of all: is there something in the works to remedy #278471 | 22:23 |
| jussi01 | bddebian: no, I just love my adopted country :D | 22:23 |
| danimo | ? | 22:23 |
| bddebian | jussi01: Ah, OK :) Where did you move from? | 22:23 |
| jussi01 | bddebian: Im an Aussie :D | 22:23 |
| bddebian | Ah, I was considering running away to Australia until recently :) | 22:24 |
| danimo | Riddell: a friend of mine said randr-adjustment (e.g. when connecting a projector) worked fine for him on gnome, so I think there should be a better fix than disabling the xrandr change polling | 22:24 |
| jussi01 | bddebian: Im going there next week :D | 22:24 |
| Riddell | bug 278471 | 22:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 278471 in meta-kde "Screen flickers with KDE4" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/278471 | 22:24 |
| danimo | Riddell: also, kmail shows none of my (dimap) accounts | 22:25 |
| Riddell | hmm, X, not my error | 22:25 |
| bddebian | jussi01: Well don't try to use the Internet.. ;-P | 22:25 |
| Riddell | not my area I mean | 22:25 |
| Arby | Riddell: that got it thanks. | 22:25 |
| danimo | Riddell: whoms? | 22:25 |
| jussi01 | bddebian: hehe | 22:25 |
| Arby | on to the next error | 22:25 |
| danimo | Riddell: and when trying to connect with kopete, connecting any of my jabber accounts crashes kopete | 22:26 |
| jussi01 | bddebian: we have gorgeous internet here, 2/2 comes with the house free, for 19.90 euro per month I can update to 100/10... | 22:26 |
| danimo | Riddell: and as for politics: obama will win, that's rather boring | 22:26 |
| danimo | Riddell: (assuming that's what's been debated) | 22:27 |
| bddebian | jussi01: I was kidding. I was talking about the recent blocking of sites in Australia | 22:27 |
| bddebian | danimo: It's not boring, it's frightening | 22:27 |
| jussi01 | bddebian: I didnt know about that | 22:27 |
| Nightrose | danimo: jabber crashes here as well on first login - but works after restarting | 22:27 |
| danimo | Nightrose: "eine vertrauensbildende maßnahme" :) | 22:28 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 22:28 |
| Riddell | danimo: this is what you are hoping not to do? http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.10.22/kubuntu-intrepid-dual-monitor-blinking/ | 22:28 |
| danimo | Riddell: the funny thing is: I don't have a dual monitor setup | 22:28 |
| danimo | Riddell: just a build in LCD with an optional external VGA output | 22:28 |
| danimo | also, who had the idea to make "text alongside icons" option default? | 22:29 |
| bddebian | jussi01: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/10/27/1224955916155.html | 22:29 |
| danimo | Nightrose: it crashes always | 22:29 |
| Riddell | danimo: Nuno | 22:29 |
| danimo | bddebian: it can't get worse than it is, so I welcome any change | 22:29 |
| danimo | Riddell: arghs | 22:29 |
| nixternal | heh, only the party will change, the results will stay the same :P | 22:30 |
| danimo | we should have remove those stupid options in KDE years ago | 22:30 |
| bddebian | danimo: Oh yes it can. | 22:30 |
| * danimo doesn't see how | 22:30 | |
| danimo | and replaced it with a selective "text for this important option" flag for specific actions in xmlgui | 22:31 |
| danimo | having text for all options is just silly | 22:31 |
| jussi01 | bddebian: oh bleh... | 22:31 |
| danimo | launch kopete for an example | 22:32 |
| jussi01 | so Riddell, any idea when we will have flash in webkitkde? jaunty already? | 22:34 |
| Riddell | jussi01: Qt 4.5 I believe, which should be in jaunty | 22:34 |
| DaSkreech | jussi01: Cool yo uare on Jaiku as well :) | 22:34 |
| jussi01 | DaSkreech: yeps :D | 22:35 |
| JontheEchidna | Can somebody test the amarok 2 beta3 packages? http://www.kubuntu.org/node/54 | 22:36 |
| JontheEchidna | I got a report of breakage but I can't reproduce | 22:36 |
| danimo | Czessi__: ping? | 22:39 |
| danimo | Riddell: any hints about kmail? | 22:42 |
| Nightrose | JontheEchidna: don't you want to metnion intrepid packages? | 22:42 |
| Nightrose | JontheEchidna: thx for the work btw :) | 22:43 |
| Riddell | danimo: it's not something I've heard of, what happens when you add back the accounts? | 22:43 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: working well here, what's to test? | 22:43 |
| Arby | Riddell: I think I have a fix for bug 204763 | 22:43 |
| Arby | http://paste.ubuntu.com/66999/ | 22:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 204763 in system-config-printer-kde "system-config-printer-kde does not accept PPD file supplied by user" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204763 | 22:44 |
| Arby | Riddell: does that ^^ diff look reasonable to you? | 22:44 |
| Riddell | Arby: yes (without testing it myself) | 22:47 |
| Riddell | Arby: want me to test and apply to KDE SVN? | 22:47 |
| Arby | Riddell: that would be nice | 22:48 |
| Arby | Riddell: unless you want to wait until I've looked at some of the other bugs | 22:48 |
| Arby | then do it all at once | 22:48 |
| Riddell | Arby: atomic commits are best | 22:50 |
| Riddell | Arby: after a couple more of these you can just ask for an svn account | 22:50 |
| Arby | Riddell: OK then please commit when you have time | 22:51 |
| Arby | that'll do for one night I think | 22:52 |
| Riddell | Arby: when I click Forward after selecting a file it doesn't actually go forward | 22:53 |
| Arby | Riddell: if there are any problems let me know tomorrow | 22:53 |
| danimo | Riddell: will look into it | 22:53 |
| Arby | oh | 22:53 |
| Arby | it did for me | 22:53 |
| Arby | let me look again | 22:53 |
| Riddell | Arby: I'm not selecting a ppd file, is there some validation happening? | 22:53 |
| Arby | ah that'll be it | 22:54 |
| Arby | not enough obviously | 22:54 |
| Arby | I'll look at it gain tomorrow | 22:54 |
| Arby | *again | 22:54 |
| Riddell | I get a backtrace too http://paste.ubuntu.com/67002/ | 22:54 |
| Riddell | Arby: whatever my issue is I don't think it's due to your patch so I'll commit | 22:55 |
| Riddell | Arby: there's bugs on bugs.kde.org too if you're wanting to look for more :) | 22:55 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: a symbol mismatch on startup | 22:55 |
| claydoh | if there is a kde 3.5.11 will it be built for hardy? | 22:55 |
| Arby | Riddell: I'll fix ours first :) | 22:55 |
| Arby | I hit a couple while doing this one | 22:56 |
| * JontheEchidna put a story on kubuntu.org but I couldnt' get the picture to show up :( | 22:56 | |
| Arby | plus there's about 20 in LP | 22:56 |
| Arby | Riddell: thanks for all the help | 22:56 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, Kubuntu 8.10 is not the Hardy Heron | 22:56 |
| rgreening | Riddell: anything on the plate for today that can be fired at me? | 22:59 |
| * a|wen votes for a kde 3.5.11 version of kdepim | 23:02 | |
| Riddell | rgreening: fix danimo's problems? :) | 23:02 |
| rgreening | Riddell: I'm a programmer not a pychologist | 23:02 |
| rgreening | ba-dum-bum | 23:03 |
| rgreening | :) | 23:03 |
| Riddell | rgreening: able to test jabber in kopete? | 23:03 |
| rgreening | sure. | 23:03 |
| rgreening | I have Jabber acct and use kopete | 23:03 |
| rgreening | whats the issue | 23:03 |
| rgreening | I've noticed jabber dying of late. Is that the issue? I had assumed it was an issue at the other end. | 23:05 |
| rgreening | Riddell: ^^ | 23:05 |
| Riddell | rgreening: just if it crashes when connecting | 23:06 |
| ScottK | claydoh: I built the 3.5.10 packages and I've since upgraded to Intrepid, so it'd depend on a volunteer to do the work. | 23:07 |
| rgreening | Riddell: so is the "not connecting to jabber" or kopete having some sort of crash as a result of not connecting? And is there a bug report? | 23:09 |
| claydoh | ScottK: thanks | 23:09 |
| Riddell | rgreening: 22:26 < danimo> Riddell: and when trying to connect with kopete, connecting any of my jabber accounts crashes kopete | 23:10 |
| a|wen | ScottK: if a new 3.5.11 comes around i'm willing to give it a shot... but the kde svn 3.5 branch seems pretty stall atm | 23:10 |
| Riddell | rgreening: no bug report that I know of | 23:10 |
| JontheEchidna | libplasma is now part of kdelibs | 23:11 |
| Riddell | yay | 23:12 |
| JontheEchidna | Binary compat for now on too. Bonus! | 23:12 |
| Riddell | awooga | 23:13 |
| rgreening | danimo: regarding your Kopete issue, can you file a bug and poke me with the report? I'll look into it for you. I have jabber but no kopete crash (though jabber isn't connecting at the moment). | 23:13 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: do you mean libphonon? | 23:13 |
| JontheEchidna | nope, libplasma | 23:14 |
| rgreening | where was it before | 23:14 |
| rgreening | disneyland? :) | 23:14 |
| JontheEchidna | kdebase-workspace | 23:15 |
| rgreening | ah | 23:15 |
| rgreening | ok, makes way more sense | 23:15 |
| JontheEchidna | ya, they weren't going to make it part of kdelibs because it was so infantile when it was incepted | 23:15 |
| Riddell | danimo: do you have libqca2-plugin-ossl installed? | 23:15 |
| a|wen | what do we do about fixing in jaunty before fixing in intrepid? | 23:16 |
| a|wen | is jaunty ready for that? | 23:17 |
| Riddell | a|wen: not open yet | 23:18 |
| Riddell | pitti will copy SRUs by hand to jaunty | 23:18 |
| a|wen | Riddell: okay, thx | 23:19 |
| * Riddell snoozes | 23:24 | |
| rgreening | nite Riddell: | 23:25 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: set your story to Raw HTML, that shows the image. also added a friendly URL Path | 23:27 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: thanks for taking care of Amarok | 23:27 |
| JontheEchidna | yw | 23:27 |
| DaSkreech | seele: | 23:29 |
| DaSkreech | http://wadejolson.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/camp-kde-2009-cfp-clarification/ | 23:30 |
| DaSkreech | bah | 23:30 |
| DaSkreech | seele: http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1725/nineinchfailsur6.jpg | 23:30 |
| * JontheEchidna needs to smallen up the amarok pic | 23:34 | |
| DaSkreech | Tm_T: Myrtti isn't your sister? | 23:35 |
| DaSkreech | jussi01: join #kde ! | 23:35 |
| DaSkreech | on jaiku :) | 23:35 |
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