[00:00] <sd32> !skype
[00:00] <kevbuntu> draik: did this send you the message notifcation in your system tray that i see when you send me a message?
[00:01] <ardchoille> draik: dbus ?
[00:01] <draik> ardchoille: Sounds about right.
[00:01] <SkittleLinux18> kevbuntu is now SkittleLinux18
[00:01] <draik> SkittleLinux18: Huh?
[00:01] <draik> SkittleLinux18: Yes.
[00:01] <SkittleLinux18> ok good
[00:02] <draik> I have that blocked on my end, but I have 2 other laptops watching the channel that showed it
[00:02] <SkittleLinux18> i was trying to figure out how you were getting my Konversation icon to blink when you sent me a message
[00:02] <draik> That is because I said your name
[00:02] <draik> SkittleLinux18:
[00:02] <draik> SkittleLinux18: Like that
[00:02] <SkittleLinux18> ok
[00:02] <SkittleLinux18> sweet
[00:03] <draik_> WOOHOO! I got audio!
[00:04] <cn28h> Hm.  I take it it's bad when aticonfig seg faults
[00:04] <draik> cn28h: I think that's a general rule
[00:04] <cn28h> fglrxinfo does too. fun :/
[00:05] <ardchoille> draik: finally?
[00:05] <draik> ardchoille: On the last laptop, yes
[00:06] <draik> HP laptop... ZERO issues.
[00:06] <ardchoille> nice
[00:07] <draik> Desktop I built a few years ago, took half of today to solve. It was either one thing or another.
[00:07] <Far^Side> does running X with a framebuffer use any less resources?
[00:07] <deftone> anyone know how i can change the text color in my terminal?
[00:07] <draik> Dell laptop... Yeah, that's a special one. The updates started on that 2 nights ago. It failed and then I had to store everything. Finally finished the install that started this morning.
[00:07] <trv> does anyone know where is the autostart folde in kubuntu 8.10 for kde4 ?
[00:07] <arrrghhh> deftone, like in konsole?
[00:08] <deftone> yakuake or konsole...whichever one lets me do it.
[00:08] <draik> trv: Yes, it's the same
[00:08] <arrrghhh> trv, there's many.  ~/.kde4/Autostart i believe is where you put user based autostart stuff
[00:08] <arrrghhh> maybe it's just ~/.kde/Autostart
[00:08] <draik> arrrghhh: Yup, that's the one (and only, I think)
[00:09] <arrrghhh> draik, you can add stuff as a daemon
[00:09] <arrrghhh> using update-rc.d
[00:09] <Dragnslicer> !info phonon
[00:09] <trv> that's where i'm confused too.. and yet there are some info in forums that say ~/.kde4/share/Autostart, or even ~/.kde/share/Autostart
[00:09] <Tann> Hi. I am having issues with the nvidia drivers with intrepid Ibex.
[00:09] <trv> it's a mess :)
[00:09] <arrrghhh> or creating a link in /etc/init.d/
[00:09] <trv> i will go with ~/.kde/Autostart to check
[00:09] <sd32> ive added the skype repository and refreshed the program list but still cannot find the skype package???
[00:09] <arrrghhh> trv, there's an easy way to manage it in kde4
[00:10] <arrrghhh> trv, you don't have to do it manually anymore.  there's a gui for it now.
[00:10] <trv> i want to add this command to autostart: nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 -a GlyphCache=1
[00:10] <trv> seems to have nice results, the desktop seems faster
[00:11] <arrrghhh> trv, open the systemsettings applet, go to the 'advanced' tab and the first icon is "autostart".
[00:11] <draik> I think you have to create it as a script and then set it up for autostart
[00:11] <arrrghhh> you can even add stuff to pre-kde startup.
[00:12] <arrrghhh> you can just put commands just like that into it.  it's how i run kmix, knotes.
[00:14] <trv> ok guys thanx, i created it as a script and added it as pre-kde startup
[00:15] <trv> it created the symlink inside ~/.kde/Autostart
[00:15] <psyco> heya,
[00:15] <psyco> anyone know WTF happened to sharing printers in 8.10??
[00:16] <arrrghhh> psyco, w/samba or what?
[00:17] <ret> >_<
[00:17] <psyco> arrrghhh: yeah
[00:18] <Guest45470> Hi I just loaded Kubuntu 8.10 and I am trying to get my cd player to play music can anyone help me?
[00:18] <arrrghhh> do you still have samba installed and configured as you had it before?  i've never used samba to share a printer.
[00:18] <arrrghhh> Guest45470, uh... what's the problem?  pop the cd in... open kaffeine...
[00:19] <ret> apt-get install kaffeine before
[00:19] <arrrghhh> you should have kaffeine
[00:19] <ret> Hmmm...
[00:19] <arrrghhh> i thought it was "part of the kde package"
[00:19] <arrrghhh> well
[00:19] <arrrghhh> the kubuntu package i should say
[00:20] <Guest45470> I have amarok
[00:20] <ret> I have problems with painting system tray applet... Is i'm alone with this problem? =\
[00:20] <Guest45470> am I missing some plugin?
[00:20] <arrrghhh> amarok is alright.  i've found it's unstable.  and kinda a.. PITA to use.  i'm excited about songbird.
[00:21] <Guest45470> songbird never heard of it
[00:21] <arrrghhh> Guest45470, i wouldn't think you'd need a plugin for playback of cds.  but kubuntu-restricted-extras metapackage has pretty much everything you'll need as far as media codecs.  java, flash, mp3...
[00:22] <Guest45470> ok thanks
[00:23] <draik> What is the purpose to the Show Dashboard icon?
[00:23] <draik> Wait...
[00:23] <draik> What is the purpose to showing the dashboard?
[00:23] <ret> Kubuntu is really bugged =\
[00:24] <ret> How to resize area for text under icons in Desktop plasma applet?
[00:25] <fulat2k> hi folks, why does the screen goes to sleep and wake up again when i the CPU policy to "Powersave" mode?
[00:28] <ret> Why does rthe screen resolution changed to another when i relogin? I think there all peoples only with problems, but without... mmm... seems "resolutions"
[00:28] <arrrghhh> kde4 is buggy.  ret still to the lts release (which i guess kubuntu wasn't really a lts release 8.04...) but if you want to stick with kde3.5, stick to kubuntu 8.04.1
[00:29] <arrrghhh> kde4.2 is out in janurary i believe.
[00:29] <arrrghhh> 1 yr since the intial release of kde4.  it's come a long way.
[00:30] <ret> I go to reboot, updating complete =\
[00:31] <fulat2k> arrrghhh: kde 4.1 seems fine to me.  so far ;)
[00:31] <cn28h> hm.  So in Intrepid my GTK apps look like GTK again (rather than following the KDE/Qt styling).  Is this not supported yet, or I just need to tweak some config?
[00:32] <fulat2k> cn28h: did you install gtk-qt-engine-kde4?
[00:33] <cn28h> just did that.  I suppose I should restart KDE now and check if that did it :) brb
[00:33] <arrrghhh> fulat2k, i've had some issues.  configuration, shutdown, some other stuff.
[00:33] <arrrghhh> lack of configuration i should day.
[00:34] <arrrghhh> like dolphin looks nicer... but it feels like it went down significantly in functionality.
[00:34] <ret> >_<
[00:34] <arrrghhh> although the new systemsettings is nice... even tho i had to install it :S
[00:35] <ret> Looks like Vista... Bad
[00:35] <arrrghhh> it doesn't look like vista.
[00:35] <ret> =)
[00:35] <fulat2k> arrrghhh: hmm.. odd.  haven't had much probs with it.
[00:35] <cn28h> Hm, nope.  Still looks like GTK
[00:35] <arrrghhh> i can see how the 3.5 -> 4.1 change it kinda like xp -> vista.  but it is NOT vista.
[00:36] <arrrghhh> cn28h, you mean qt?
[00:36] <arrrghhh> qt4?
[00:36] <aiden> Hey all - updated to 8.1.0 today, panels and others are glitchy, anyone know the apt-get to roll back to 8.04?
[00:36] <fulat2k> arrrghhh: i'm still not getting used to vista dude.  it's in my new studio 15, but i'm gonna install kub 8.10 when i have the time.
[00:36] <cn28h> arrrghhh, I have GTK set to obey my KDE/Qt4 styles, but it doesn't seem to be doing that
[00:36] <arrrghhh> fulat2k, i hate vista.  i don't think my work is ever going to it, we still use netware.
[00:37] <arrrghhh> cn28h, yea never really has.
[00:37] <cn28h> arrrghhh, it seemd to do it on KDE3 with Hardy okay :S
[00:37] <arrrghhh> lol.  if you say so.
[00:37] <arrrghhh> i just let everything be qt, seems to work out ok.
[00:38] <arrrghhh> i kinda went with a feisty titlebar theme tho.
[00:38] <arrrghhh> i always liked having the red "x" haha.
[00:38] <fulat2k> arrrghhh: :D  no idea about netware.  vista still isn't able to sleep properly in my studio.  such simple thing...... and somehow it kinda hangs a bit here and there.
[00:38] <arrrghhh> fulat2k, it's an ugly beast.  m$ oses are just getting more bloated and slower and more ppl are like... hrm... apple... linux... lookin pretty sweet.
[00:39] <hazzy> Meh, I made a pledge long ago to never buy another M$ product
[00:39] <arrrghhh> i'm stoked for samba4 if that ever comes about
[00:39] <Knock> Hello! Is there a way to create a bootable USB-Stick of Kubuntu 8.10? The how-tos of the previous versions do not work any more.
[00:39] <arrrghhh> i've never _bought_ a m$ product.  it was kinda forced on me when i bought my laptop tho.
[00:39] <fulat2k> arrrghhh: unfortunately true. thought i could give vista try after SP1.  but nooooooooo......
[00:39] <arrrghhh> Knock, bootcd i think does.... at the the ubuntu 8.10 livecd does.
[00:39] <arrrghhh> fulat2k, no.  poo.
[00:40] <Knock> arrrghhh: How?
[00:40] <aiden> (Newbie Question Ahead)
[00:40] <arrrghhh> they didn't redesign the file system.  it's still ntfs = fragmenting POS.
[00:40] <fulat2k> Knock: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[00:40] <fulat2k> Knock: i used unetbootin myself.
[00:40] <arrrghhh> unetbootin?
[00:41] <aiden> --Can someone help me with this?  Updated to 8.1.0 today, panels and others are glitchy, anyone know the apt-get to roll back to 8.04?
[00:41] <fulat2k> arrrghhh: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[00:41] <arrrghhh> hrm.  yea i'm already there lol
[00:42] <arrrghhh> what i want to do is get my ubuntu server to pxe boot computers!
[00:48] <oslo> hi, after a fresh intrepid ibex install i'm stuck with a 800x600 screen ration @ max & no nvidia-glx 96 .....
[00:48] <oslo> is there a solution ,!?
[00:49] <oslo> it seems xorg.conf isn't used like it was in the past - - -
[00:49] <arrrghhh> oslo, have you tried the restricted drivers method?
[00:49] <Tann> Could anyone help me get my nvidia graphics card's 3d support working? (Personally I don't really like ththese new nvidia drivers)
[00:49] <arrrghhh> yea... Xorg is pretty much not using it unless it *needs* to.
[00:50] <oslo> arrrghhh> no restricted drivers appear in the restricted drivers windows .... :/
[00:50] <arrrghhh> yea my new nvidia drivers don't work.  i can't get separate X screens to work.
[00:50] <arrrghhh> oslo, and you've purged all the nvidia-blah packages?
[00:50] <arrrghhh> have you ever installed it manually?
[00:50] <arrrghhh> or the envy etc
[00:51] <oslo> arrrghhh> just installed once by apt because it wasn't showed in restricted drivers windows
[00:51] <oslo> it's still not shown
[00:52] <billyd> I don
[00:52] <arrrghhh> oslo, did you purge all those things i mentioned?  and you didn't do a manual install or use envy?
[00:52] <oslo> (& @ boot it tells failed for loading nvidia 96 )
[00:52] <nejode> arrrghhh: legacy cards are not supported anymore: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810
[00:52] <billyd> I don't seem to be able to print odd and even pages now that I "upgraded" to 8.10.  Is this a change in CUPS or what?
[00:53] <oslo> arrrghhh> i'm removing by apt all the nvidia-* just right now
[00:54] <arrrghhh> nejode, i have an 8600gt...
[00:54] <polk_> hi, i got kubuntu, via apt from my ubuntu desktop
[00:54] <polk_> and i hate it. so i want to remove it and all its dependencies, all kde apps and everything else that it requires aor uses
[00:54] <polk_> so, can you tell me how to do this
[00:55] <Knock> fulat2k, arrrghhh: Thank you 2! Unetbootin finally works.
[00:55] <nejode> arrrghhh: well, that one should work with the 177 driver
[00:55] <Knock> CU!
[00:55] <arrrghhh> Knock, cool.
[00:55] <polk_> ...
[00:55] <deftone> is there an ultimate ubuntu irc channel ??
[00:56] <oslo> arrrghhh: it's done all nvidia*'s apt removed & still no restricted drivers shownd up
[00:56] <arrrghhh> nejode, i'm using the 177 driver.  it *works*... but not like it used to.  i can't get separate X screens, it breaks X.  it doesn't show the nvidia thing when X starts... i assume the driver is installed properly.
[00:56] <oslo> - - -
[00:56] <fulat2k> deftone: uh... #ubuntu? :D
[00:56] <nejode> arrrghhh: I'm really busted...I have an MX-4000 on one machine and an X300 on the other
[00:56] <arrrghhh> oslo, the 96 driver isn't compatible with the version of Xorg in 8.10.  go back to 8.04 or use the nv open source/non-accelerated driver.
[00:56] <arrrghhh> nejode, stick with 8.04 or use the nv driver haha.
[00:57] <oslo> arrrghhh>ok so with the nv driver how could i have a screen ratio bigger than 800x600 ???
[00:58] <arrrghhh> oslo, you should be able to get a bigger screen size.  change to the nv driver and configure xorg by hand my friend.
[00:58] <nejode> ...after almost 4 years they're slowly pushing me out of *ubuntu
[00:59] <oslo> arrrghhh> my xorg.conf with intrepid isn't like it was with hardy
[00:59] <oslo> nejode: :)
[00:59] <nejode> arrrghhh: have you tried with nvidia-settings?
[00:59] <oslo> nejode: yes, it's keeping the original one
[01:00] <arrrghhh> nejode, yes.  i like that applet... i got it working with twinview ok... main monitor isn't at max res but the HD monitor is.  separate X screen configured thru nvidia-settings breaks X.
[01:00] <oslo> arrrghhh> wich section do i change ?
[01:00] <arrrghhh> i saved my xorg.conf from 8.04, but obviously that's kinda useless.
[01:00] <nejode> oslo: that problem is all over the place, editing the xorg.conf file does nothing
[01:00] <ericsome> Hi anybody here using the new version of kubuntu ?
[01:01] <arrrghhh> i think everyone is
[01:01] <oslo> nejode> it was i think i've seen
[01:01] <ericsome> Whats it Like ?
[01:01] <oslo> ericsome> 800x600 & no 3D acceleration on my old system :)
[01:01] <billyd> It's got some problems
[01:02] <ericsome> How long will it be supported ?
[01:02] <Tetracomm> I just installed a program using make install and this is the error I get when I try to run it, help?: http://pastebin.com/d56a830e
[01:02] <arrrghhh> is there a configuration utility for kwin?
[01:02] <ardchoille> I supported it for about an hour
[01:02] <billyd> I think 18 months
[01:03] <oslo> How long will it take to be supported on my hardware ? ;)
[01:03] <ericsome> You say it has a few problems might hang on for a while to hardy heron then
[01:03] <arrrghhh> oslo, dunno.  use 8.04 for now i'd say.
[01:03] <DaSkreech> !irc > bluecopper
[01:03] <oslo> i guess i'll have to stay on LTS
[01:03] <ericsome> Ok Thanks for the tip !
[01:03] <arrrghhh> i don't think kubuntu 8.04 is an lts release... just vanilla ubuntu is.
[01:04] <billyd> Things shoooould improve when KDE 4.2 comes out in Jan(?)
[01:04] <sd32> !webcam
[01:04] <arrrghhh> billyd, i don't see why they would be worse.  4.1 was way better than 4.0.
[01:04] <nejode> I'll stay with Hardy for a while until I find a distro that'll support old hardware... mandriva maybe?
[01:05] <billyd> Firefox opens off line - even when config file syas opren online
[01:05] <billyd> You can't print odd and even pages
[01:05] <billyd> There is no decent scanner program
[01:05] <Dragnslicer> Am I the only one that thinks the icon for Konversation 1.1 is fugly?
[01:05] <billyd> Bluetooth has problems
[01:06] <ericsome> I use gimp for my scanner that ok
[01:06] <arrrghhh> nejode, i don't get why nvidia-settings works fine with twinview but separate X screen breaks...
[01:06] <billyd> I may try that
[01:07] <Search4Lancer> help needed: I just upgraded to 8.10, and now my eth0 (wireless) is missing
[01:09] <russlar> eth0 was your wireless?
[01:09] <Search4Lancer> yeah
[01:09] <russlar> what does ifconfig -a list for interfaces?
[01:10] <Search4Lancer> couldn't tell you... I'm running dual-boot under XP right now
[01:10] <nejode> arrrghhh: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Is_KDE_4.1_for_you%3F  ... in the graphics performance section
[01:11] <russlar> and?
[01:12] <Search4Lancer> and it'd take me about 10 minutes to get an answer for you on that :-)
[01:12] <Search4Lancer> I know, I'm not much help in helping myself right now...
[01:12] <russlar> wasn't @ you
[01:12] <russlar> but yeah
[01:13] <arrrghhh> nejode, that's not my issue...
[01:13] <billyd> Search4Lancer
[01:13] <arrrghhh> but nvidia does need to fix their drivers.  wait did i use a different driver before?
[01:13] <billyd> Check and see if you have eth1
[01:14] <Search4Lancer> billyd: I do have eth1, that was always the wired
[01:14] <russlar> s4l: do you know if you have a device called wlan0?
[01:14] <nejode> arrrghhh: the truth being said... 3D support in Intrepid sucks
[01:14] <billyd> I had LAN on motherboard that went out and I disabled it and put in a card and it was recognized as eth0
[01:15] <arrrghhh>  nejode did the 177 driver come out for the new xorg?  it seems the issues are not intrepid itself but the new xorg...
[01:15] <billyd> When I upgraded to 8.10, I had only eth1.  I ended up configuring it and using it
[01:15] <Search4Lancer> russlar: not that I'm aware of
[01:16] <Search4Lancer> iwlist scanning and iwconfig both give eth1, pan0 (which I've never had before), and another that I can't remember
[01:16] <nejode> arrrghhh: OK, but those are issues that should not come out in a new (and very publicized) release
[01:16] <billyd> Also there is said to ne e need to diddle a config file.  The Firefox file seems to be correct to open online, but that isn't what happens and Nework manager tells me eth is didabled when I'm online
[01:17] <arrrghhh> nejode, i know.  the old driver worked fine.  i don't see why nvidia released a new one unless they were forced due the the Xorg update...
[01:17] <arrrghhh> i kinda hate xorg...
[01:18] <nejode> ...I fear that Intrepid is comming to be something like Cononical's Vista
[01:18] <arrrghhh> kinda wish there was another option haha
[01:18] <arrrghhh> oh it's not anywhere near that bad.
[01:18] <Adam24> Hey everyone!  This is Adam24 again, signing in via Kubuntu 8.10 (KDE 4.1) LiveCD! :D
[01:18] <nejode> *Canonical's
[01:23] <billyd> If you have eth1 and can use it go to Konsole and enter "sudo dhclient eth1"
[01:24] <Search4Lancer> okay, then what?
[01:25] <billyd> That configure eth1
[01:27] <billyd> I still have to enter it every time I boot up though.  There is something beyond that and there ae directions I believe in Kubuntu Forums for diddling a config file somepleace
[01:30] <Adam24> I'm back
[01:32] <Adam24> how do I install web browser plugins using Konqueror?
[01:32] <patto> Hi
[01:33] <patto> any knoes were to find instruction to install kubutu on a Dell latitude?
[01:33] <grant931> how can I program þ to show up on my keyboard when I hold down alt gr + t + h?
[01:34] <grant931> I am using a U.S. QWERTY keyboard
[01:34] <billyd> If it's a laptop there are sites especially for laptops.
[01:34] <grant931> desktop
[01:34] <DaSkreech> Hi-o!
[01:34] <billyd> I doubt anyone knows a thorn if they see one grant
[01:35] <grant931> I'm trying to bring it back
[01:35] <grant931> ;)
[01:35] <DaSkreech> aiden: 8.10
[01:36] <jmichaelx> grant931: i was just getting ready to make a post on the forums about thorn
[01:37] <jmichaelx> grant931: in reply to a threas that maybe you started
[01:37] <jmichaelx> thread*
[01:37] <grant931> I have contributed a lot to that thread :)
[01:37] <grant931> but LaRosa made it
[01:37] <billyd> I think in some program there was a way to enter odd stuff, but you had to type in the numerical equivalent on your keypad
[01:37] <billyd> If you are using a word processor there is probably a way
[01:38] <jmichaelx> grant931: i plan on adding to the thread tonight yet.
[01:38] <DaSkreech> Dragnslicer: Change it?
[01:38] <sparr> knetworkmanager says that my eth67 interface is disconnected, and wont connect it.  i had to run dhclient from a console.  suggestions?
[01:39] <jmichaelx> grant931: you know how you sometimes see "ye olde 'such and such' shoppe"?
[01:39] <jmichaelx> i realize this is all extremely OT
[01:39] <jmichaelx> ^.^
[01:40] <billyd> ye - was a printing convention for The 0 the e was in the arms of the y
[01:40] <DaSkreech> Anyone any good with Wine?
[01:40] <billyd> the e was in the arms of the y
[01:40] <grant931> jmichaelx: yes
[01:41] <jmichaelx> billyd: well, in most cases "ye" was never really used.
[01:41] <jmichaelx> there was never an article called Ye
[01:41] <jmichaelx> what that is based on is people seeing thorn, and mistaking it for a Y
[01:42] <grant931> how do you confuse thorn with a Y?
[01:42] <hazzy>  The kiss that is given by the bride to the groom at the end of the wedding ceremony originates from the earliest times when the couple would actually make love for the first time under the eyes of half the village!
[01:42] <grant931> it looks the most like a P
[01:42] <jmichaelx> grant, not the way it was often written (or carved) in later times
[01:42] <grant931> hmm
[01:43] <jmichaelx> grant931: if you are ever in new england, like near plymouth rock, look at the cemeteries.... thorn is used repeatedly, but if you didn't know what it was, you would very likely mistake it for a Y
[01:44] <billyd> Gots to go.  Take care
[01:45] <grant931> hopefully the þorn will only be an american english thing. We don't want the damn Brits to steal our new alphabet ;P
[01:45] <jmichaelx> lol
[01:46] <jmichaelx> grant931: thorn was so often written in that style that looked like a Y, that sometimes Y was actually used... but ti was pronouned like a TH, not a Y. by the way, thorn is still used extensively in icelandic
[01:47] <grant931> oh yes, I know about it's icelandic uses
[01:47] <grant931> icelandic probably uses more runic characters than any other indo-european language
[01:47] <grant931> other than ancient english, of course
[01:48] <jmichaelx> grant931: it only uses 2 that i know of... and both of those were also used in english in the past
[01:48] <jmichaelx> faroese still uses thorn also... although not a whole lot gets written in faroese these days
[01:49] <grant931> true
[01:49] <grant931> thorn is very odd in that fact that it's lowercase is bigger than it's uppercase
[01:50] <cinex> hi
[01:51] <david_> I am trying to watch dvd's are their codecs available for Kubuntu 8.10?
[01:51] <julio> Hello
[01:52] <DaSkreech> !dvd
[01:52] <DaSkreech> !hi
[01:52] <dr_willis> david_,  get the medibuntu stuff :)
[01:52] <dr_willis> !medibuntu | david_
[01:52] <julio> Anyones can help me mounting a hard disk on a desktop?
[01:52] <matisse> hi
[01:52] <matisse> can anyone tell what can I do to use qtiplot without making it freeze ? I want to plot a 2d function, but it freezes without any error (maybe there's a log, but where?)
[01:52] <david_> thanks
[01:52] <dr_willis> julio,  you mount them to a mountpoint. then access them.. whats the specific issue?
[01:52] <DaSkreech> julio: Technically if you open Dolphin it should be there on the left. Click it to automount
[01:52] <julio> I'm trying to mount a SATA disc
[01:53] <DaSkreech> julio: It doesn't exist in Dolphin ?
[01:53] <julio> fdisk tells me it is on sdb1, sdb2, sdb5
[01:53] <julio> but wehn I try to mount it, i got the following message
[01:53] <DaSkreech> julio: type mount
[01:53] <DaSkreech> just mount
[01:54] <julio> sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config
[01:54] <DaSkreech> to see if it's mounted somewhere
[01:54] <julio> failed to mount  /dev/sdb5
[01:54] <dr_willis> fdisk tells you the DEVICE you need to properly mount them.. what command are you using?
[01:55] <julio> I can't see it on dolphin
[01:55] <dr_willis> Use the command line, mount them.
[01:55] <julio> sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config
[01:55] <dr_willis> dont just go clicking around
[01:55] <dr_willis> I dont see what the dpkg- stuff has to do with mounting a filesystem
[01:55] <dr_willis> sudo mount /dev/devicename /media/mountpoint
[01:55] <jmichaelx> grant931: what keys are you using right now to make thorn?
[01:55] <david_> so basically we are not allowed to watch dvds on Kubuntu?
[01:55] <sparr> i hate dolphin
[01:56] <julio> sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sdb5 /media/DHD -o force
[01:56] <dr_willis> david_,  i watch them all the time.
[01:56] <sparr> if i uninstall dolphin will kde4 use konqueror for all its file manager stuff?
[01:56] <dr_willis> david_,  from a LEGAL point of view. the Ubuntu guys can not include dvd playback.
[01:56] <dr_willis> sparr,  i just set kde4 to use Konq as its default filemanager
[01:56] <jmichaelx> DVDs are forbidden in kubuntu, you'll have to switch to another DE if you want to watch such contraband!
[01:56] <jmichaelx> oh, sorry
[01:56] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  Huh? I just watch them in mplayer or vlc...
[01:57] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: NEVER!
[01:57] <julio> and I also try using mount it using  sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /media/DHD
[01:57] <david_> contraband that's funny we buys dvd's to watch and we cannot watch them???
[01:57] <jmichaelx> david_: you can watch them easily
[01:58] <sparr> 2+2
[01:58] <dr_willis> I normally just rip them to avi and watch them. :)
[01:58] <julio> and the answer is that "The device /dev/sdb1 doesn't have a valid NTFS
[01:58] <jmichaelx> david_: try 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras'... and see whether or not you can watch your DVDs
[01:58] <Adam24> How do I install browser plugins using Konqueror?
[01:58] <dr_willis> julio,  you may be using the wrong device.. what does 'sudo fdisk -l' say about sdb1 ?
[01:59] <sparr> dr_willis: how?
[01:59] <jmichaelx> david_: you will have to enable a few additional repositories, however
[01:59] <matisse> Adam24: try firefox
[01:59] <ardchoille> I and my friend have our machines behind a router. Mine (Kubuntu) is 192.168.0.4 and hers (Windows XP) is 192.168.0.2. is it possible to mount her machine on a mountpoint on my box? Can mount do that?
[01:59] <julio> it says : /dev/sdb1   *    1   3824    30716248+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[02:00] <david_> It says I already have them but Kaffiene does not allow me to watch movies
[02:00] <dr_willis> sparr,  how to what part?
[02:00] <sparr> dr_willis: how did you tell kde4 to use konq?
[02:01] <dr_willis> julio,  that does look likt its ntfs.. could be the filesystem is currupted.. have you booted to windows lately and checked that filesystem
[02:01] <jmichaelx> david_: kaffeine is nice , when it works. i have entirely quit using it, because it is so often broken. i recommend using smplayer, instead
[02:01] <dr_willis> !dolphin | sparr
[02:01] <dr_willis> sparr,  same way we did in kde3 :)
[02:01] <david_> I'll look into it ;-)
[02:01] <sparr> i just uninstalled dolphin last time
[02:01] <jmichaelx> david_: do you have the medibuntu repo enabled?
[02:02] <julio> that disc was used on windows, then something happened and just stop working the OS (as always) and now I just can't mount it
[02:02] <david_> don't know have to check
[02:02] <julio> and when I try to do an scandisk (on windows) it stops at 75%
[02:03] <jmichaelx> david_: go to http://www.medibuntu.org/ and you will find instructions on how to add the repository to your sources.list, how to add the medibuntu key, and so on
[02:03] <dr_willis> julio,  that sounds very bad.... I would be backing up anythin gyou can from that disk.
[02:05] <julio> Yes, I just want the info, and then erase averything on the disc, but I can't take the info if I don't mount the disc
[02:05] <julio> mmm, do you know any other way?
[02:06] <dr_willis> there are 'ntfs fixing' scanning tools avail under linux that may  be able to fix the disk so you can mount it.. could also lose the data...
[02:06] <dr_willis> to be safest, you could 'dd' the whole drive to a file, then try recovery from that copied  filesystem
[02:06] <dr_willis> if you got the drive space
[02:06] <julio> what is the drive space?
[02:07] <julio> that one in GB?
[02:08] <dr_willis> You would basicially be copying the whold drive to a single file,  so whatever the size of the hd is.
[02:09] <david_> Thanks guys I have dragon player working now I can watch "Sicko"
[02:11]  * dr_willis watches Petticoat Junction
[02:11] <jmichaelx> david_: i still highly recommend smplayer ^.^  -you should give it a try
[02:12] <dr_willis> I liked smplayer in some ways.. but i seem to use the normal mplayer/gmplayer mainly
[02:12] <david_> I will thanks
[02:12] <crxyem> so anyone have any ideas why when I boot 8.10 my wireless does not cennect on default, every time I boot I have to click on the network manager icon and click on the connection to make
[02:12] <Korlis> I hate intrpid ibex
[02:12] <Korlis> hey man
[02:12] <crxyem> Korlis, I thought I did at first, but it grew on me fast, I like it alot
[02:12] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: i switch back and forth. smplayer seems to play more nicely with compiz on this desktop tha stright up mplayer.
[02:13] <jmichaelx> than*
[02:13] <stdin> did you click the "Autoconnect" bix?
[02:13] <david_> Intrepid is great
[02:13] <stdin> *box
[02:13] <Korlis> i upgraded hardy heron to it and then it broke all my packages, dpkg couldn't fix it
[02:13] <crxyem> autoconnect ??? hmm, I must find this box
[02:13] <dr_willis> I did have some issues with smplayer under..... vists! doh! :)
[02:13] <crxyem> Korlis I did a similar update, worked seemlessly
[02:13] <jmichaelx> vist-what??
[02:14] <jmichaelx> :-P
[02:14] <dr_willis> IF vista came with a decent media player.. it would bve a much better OS. :P
[02:14] <Korlis> i ended up having to re install
[02:14] <stdin> crxyem: right click knetworkmanager -> Edit Connections -> Edit -> Next -> Next -> Next
[02:14] <crxyem> stdin, thanks.
[02:15] <crxyem> must of overlook that like 100 times
[02:15] <jmichaelx> i would start slamming proprietary OS's, but i have more propietary software installed on this machine than i would like to admit
[02:15] <Korlis> lol
[02:15] <crxyem> IF vista didn't require 2GB of ram to run properly, well you get the idea...
[02:16] <cinex> my laptop can only take 2GB
[02:16] <draik> Is anyone here still using 8.04?
[02:16] <jmichaelx> i had to insrall realplayer the other night, in order to watch a video used in a mathematics class i am taking
[02:16] <condon> isn't really ubuntu related, but could use some help...
[02:16] <crxyem> I might install 8.04 on another system of mine that's at 6.06
[02:16] <jmichaelx> draik: i am using one machine with hardy and one with intrepid at the same time right now
[02:16] <condon> searching for backgrounds in Google images (in firefox)
[02:17] <jmichaelx> (synergy is the bomb)
[02:17] <condon> right clicked a link to open in new tab, have a crappy mouse, it ended up clicking on something else, and now I no longer have the images displaying in google and there's nothing to click to follow to the image...
[02:17] <condon> this ever happen to anyone else?
[02:18] <draik> jmichaelx: If you don't mind, can you go to your /usr/share/sounds and get me the "YO".ogg file? I can't recall the exact file name, but it has "yo" within the file name.
[02:18] <smj> Hi folks.  I just upgraded to Intrepid Ibex.  KDE4 doesn't seem to have a way of adding application shortcuts to the panel.  Am I missing something?
[02:18] <jmichaelx> draik: i'll look right now
[02:18] <condon> smj, right click, add widgets
[02:18] <draik> jmichaelx: Thank you
[02:19] <condon> search for the launcher, just drop the code in to launch and you should be set
[02:19] <david_> thanks guys take care!
[02:19] <crxyem> ah, another question re: 8.10, the new adept is there any way to filter the package list?? like you could before so it would only display installed packages, or not installed packages etc...
[02:19] <K_R_o_m> hi
[02:20] <condon> crxyem
[02:20] <jmichaelx> draik: i found KDE_Vox_Yo.ogg and KDE_Beep_Yo.wav
[02:20] <condon> yes, when you first open it, on the right up top there's a search box
[02:20] <condon> just to the left you should see a drop-down menu that says "Show: " and defaults to Canonical-maintained applications"
[02:20] <condon> click that, there's a list of sort criteria (installed, not installed, third-party, etc.)
[02:21] <K_R_o_m> heh
[02:21] <K_R_o_m> i use synaptic
[02:21] <smj> condon: Picking "Application Launcher" gives me another K menu.
[02:22] <stdin> smj: from the kmenu right-click the item -> add to panel
[02:22] <condon> sorry, it's not called "Application Launcher"...it's further down the list (I'm in gnome right now so can't picture it..gonna be here a sec?  I'll log in over there and find it)
[02:22] <smj> stdin: Thanks, that did it.
[02:22] <jmichaelx> draik: do you need me to send it to you somehow?
[02:22] <jmichaelx> brb
[02:23] <condon> Thanks stdin, certainly simpler :)
[02:23] <smj> I knew there had to be a way.  Thanks condon, stdin.
[02:23] <draik> jmichaelx: DCC if possible
[02:23] <K_R_o_m> another question
[02:24] <K_R_o_m> after upgrade to 8.10 kontact (korganizer) crached
[02:24] <cinex> how can i unmute the sound without using kmix or aumix ?
[02:24] <crxyem> condon, I have a search box, and icons to the far left, Sources, Browse ,etc..... , next column, an icon list of accessibility etc.... but no show option
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[02:25] <jmichaelx> draik: DCC?
[02:26] <condon> on the left, near the bottom (sorry, I was in wrong ap) there's a spot that says custom filters
[02:26] <stdin> crxyem: under the search box there are small icons with the labels: State and Requested
[02:26] <condon> in ther there's a selection "Community Maintained (installed)
[02:27] <jmichaelx> draik: by the way, i believe you are the guy that sent me a nice box of PC100 ram a few years ago....
[02:27] <condon> can also sort by Marked Changes, Missing Recommends, and af ew others
[02:27] <draik> jmichaelx: Yes, that's me
[02:27] <K_R_o_m> korganizer chached witch message "Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" " but other application works normally
[02:27] <jmichaelx> draik: i can send you that file a number of different ways, although i am not familiar with DCC
[02:28] <draik> Email will work, too.
[02:28] <jmichaelx> ok, you can private your address to me, and it'll be on its way
[02:28] <russlar> draiK; you ever get your issue from earlier today sorted out?
[02:29] <draik> russlar: Yes. Thanks to oxdeadcode (sp), we got it resolved.
[02:29] <condon> That help any crxyem?
[02:29] <draik> jmichaelx: I've been meaning to ask you, how did the RAM work out for you?
[02:29] <russlar> draik: nice. what was it?
[02:30] <condon> also under Status in the same list, there's Installed, Installed (auto removable), Not installed, couple others
[02:30] <crxyem> nope, I'm sure i'll eventually figure it out. don't seem to see a small icon with labels State and Requested etc...
[02:30] <condon> "Status" is two buttons above Custom Filters..
[02:30] <condon> hold on, I'll upload a screen shot for you
[02:31] <jmichaelx> draik: the file is on its way.
[02:31] <draik> Thank you, jmichaelx
[02:31] <crxyem> that would be great condon
[02:31] <jmichaelx> draik: the RAM was great. i have a few machines using some of it personally, and have used some of it in linux machines that i have set up fpr 2 other people
[02:32] <jmichaelx> i appreciated tha very much
[02:32] <david_> I installed smplayer but it does not seem to recognize my dvd player
[02:33] <stdin> crxyem: are you in Adept Installer "Add / Remove Software" or Adept Manager "Package Manager" ?
[02:33] <draik> jmichaelx: I'm glad they went to an actual use. They would have been collecting dust on my desk. I may have eventually made a necklace out of them, but computers need RAM more than I need a geeky necklace. I'm glad they worked for you.
[02:33] <crxyem> ah, it's defenitley the Add/ Remove Software, which would explain why I can't see the options
[02:33] <jmichaelx> david_: hmmm.... well, it is up to your machine to recognize your DVD ROM, not so much up to your video player
[02:34] <crxyem> all better now
[02:34] <crxyem> thanks
[02:34] <stdin> :)
[02:34] <david_> dragon player found it but others seem to have trouble
[02:35] <jmichaelx> david_: you should also install VLC, if you haven't already. i sometimes switch media players around for certain files, until i find one that works
[02:35] <crxyem> well, that seems to solve all of my learning curve issues with 8.10
[02:35] <david_> vlc will be where in synaptic?
[02:36] <russlar> david_: use sudo apt-get install vlc from the terminal
[02:37] <jmichaelx> david_: yes, or enter 'sudo apt-get install vlc' in a terminal
[02:37] <condon> http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g180/mmould03/status.jpg
[02:37] <condon> there's the screenshot for the search criteria
[02:37] <david_> ok am doing
[02:37] <corigo> How can I see a list of drivers being used by the system?
[02:38] <Eldemon> how can arrange items manually in dolphin?
[02:38] <jmichaelx> condon: what is that hideous desktop environment you are using in that screenshot?
[02:38] <crxyem> ll
[02:38] <crxyem> lol
[02:38] <crxyem> condor thanks, I sorted everything out
[02:39] <mo> hello
[02:39] <russlar> condon: gnome?
[02:39] <jmichaelx> sorry for the flamebait..... can't help myself at times
[02:39] <matisse> can anyone tell what can I do to use qtiplot without making it freeze ? I want to plot a 2d function, but it freezes without any error (maybe there's a log, but where?)
[02:40] <russlar> matisse: is there's a log, chances are it's in -/var/log
[02:40] <crxyem> beat me to it
[02:40] <condon> gnome
[02:40] <russlar> condon: gnome?
[02:41] <condon> yep
[02:41] <russlar> condon: gnome?
[02:41] <condon> yes
[02:41] <russlar> condon: have you tried #ubuntu?
[02:41] <draik> jmichaelx: I got it. It took me this long to access my account. Forgot my password and all.
[02:42] <jmichaelx> draik: lol, i have accounts like that, too
[02:43] <crxyem> so when do you guys/gals think well see openoffice 3.0 in the repositories
[02:43] <condon> I've got KDE, just been playing in gnome tonight.
[02:43] <draik> jmichaelx: PERFECT! I now have the sound for my konversation notifications
[02:43] <Korlis> i just installed mint, and i really like the way they did gnome
[02:43] <draik> I thought it would still be there after the upgrade. Guess not.
[02:44] <russlar> crxyem: in 9.04
[02:44] <jmichaelx> draik: i take it that is a sound that has disappeared in intrepid?
[02:44] <draik> Yup
[02:44] <crxyem> damn,
[02:44] <jmichaelx> my prediction is that OO.o will make into the repos some time during intrepid's lifespan
[02:45] <jmichaelx> crxyem: there are docs around that explain how you can install it right now. it would not be that difficult.
[02:45] <crxyem> well I don;t think I'll wait for it to hit the repo's, I'm assuming a compile and install ??
[02:45] <draik> Alright
[02:45] <draik> I'm all set now
[02:46] <russlar> crxyem: nope, it's available in .deb
[02:46] <crxyem> sweet.
[02:46] <russlar> if you've got 64-bit, look around in the forums
[02:46] <crxyem> 32bit
[02:46] <russlar> never mind them
[02:46] <russlar> have fun
[02:47] <crxyem> it would be sweet if OO.o set up a bleeding edge repo
[02:47] <Eldemon> h?ow can arrange items manually in dolphin?
[02:47] <russlar> no, it woldn't. I don't want bloody seagulls lying around everywhere!
[02:48] <bill> Hello all
[02:49] <draik> Hello Bill
[02:49] <jmichaelx> !hi | bill
[02:49] <bill> Does anyone know how to configure a video card in kde 4.1?
[02:49] <russlar> what sort of video card/
[02:50] <matisse> how do I jump to the next search result in manpages ?
[02:50] <bill> It's a voodo 3 card..I need to confirure it to 1024..It won't go above 800/600
[02:51] <russlar> hmmmm..... that's an older nvidia card, right?
[02:51] <bill> 3dfx card. It's out of a old gateway.
[02:51] <russlar> dunno
[02:52] <bill> I had it working befroe I upgraded to 10-8
[02:53] <bill> I love Linux..Always a challange.
[02:53] <russlar> yeah... I know support for the GeForce GO and TNT cards went away....
[02:53] <russlar> dunno about the Voodoo 3
[02:54] <bill> how do you pick the card? Is that gone as well?
[02:54] <jmichaelx> russlar: support for the cards is just gone temporarily, isn't it?
[02:54] <draik> Why would I want to see my dashboard? What is its purpose to it?
[02:55] <jmichaelx> draik: it's kinda the newfangled way to see your desktop
[02:55] <jmichaelx> sort of
[02:55] <draik> Ah
[02:55] <draik> Being doing it back and forth and not seeing much of a reason/purpose
[02:56] <russlar> jmichael: don't know
[02:56] <russlar> read that 3d support isn't compatible with the new x.org
[02:56] <jmichaelx> russlar: wow, that is disappointing
[02:57] <russlar> trying to find a link now
[02:57] <russlar> does anybody else here think kubuntu's website is terrible?
[02:58] <jmichaelx> what's wrong with it?
[02:58] <xp-killer> direct me to compiz plz
[02:58] <russlar> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3098638.0
[02:59] <russlar> no
[03:04] <Eldemon> how can arrange items manually in dolphin?
[03:04] <russlar> define "manually"
[03:05] <Eldemon> my hand
[03:05] <Eldemon> and my mouse
[03:05] <russlar> so, you just want to move stuff arond randomly?
[03:06] <Eldemon> yes
[03:06] <Eldemon> ^^
[03:06] <russlar> :<
[03:07] <draik> russlar: LOL
[03:07] <Eldemon> i cant move manually in dolphin or konqueror
[03:08] <russlar> yeah, looks like sorting is turned of
[03:09] <condon> Anyone figure out different backgrounds for each side of the cube in KDE 4.1?
[03:09] <Eldemon> how?
[03:09] <condon> got it working in gnome just fine, but it doesn't take in KDE
[03:10] <russlar> apparently you don't
[03:11] <Guest80397> hello, my laptop crashes after I suspend to ram
[03:11] <Guest80397> tis this a known issue with kubuntu?
[03:11] <Guest80397> I've tried several fixes
[03:12] <Guest80397> it's a pavilion dv2000 series
[03:12] <Guest80397> dv2945se to be persice
[03:13] <Guest80397> precise*
[03:13] <Guest80397> anyone there?
[03:13] <condon> apparently yes, I mean, i got it working in Gnome, just not KDE
[03:13] <Guest80397> suspending from gnome works?
[03:14] <russlar> no, condon was referring to a compiz issue he's having
[03:15] <condon> ah, lol, sorry :)
[03:15] <russlar> ho old is your laptop?
[03:15] <Guest80397> got it this summer
[03:15] <Guest80397> hp pavilion dv2945se
[03:15] <russlar> what kind of processor?
[03:15] <xp-killer> how do i get in compiz chat?
[03:15] <Guest80397> turion x2
[03:15] <russlar> heheh.... good luck
[03:15] <Guest80397> why?
[03:16] <russlar> any chance you know the chipset?
[03:16] <xp-killer> #compiz
[03:16] <patto> Hi
[03:16] <Guest80397> no
[03:16] <Guest80397> anyway i can find out?
[03:16] <russlar> amd doesn't support linux very well
[03:17] <Guest80397> can i identify my chipset from within linux?
[03:17] <russlar> i'm not surprised suspend to ram doesn't work
[03:17] <patto> i hvae install kub 8.1 my monitor dont stop to turn of and on anybody knows how to fix it?
[03:17] <russlar> you're monitor doesn't turn off?
[03:18] <patto> no it turn on and turn off autom
[03:18] <russlar> so ti turns on and off randomly?
[03:18] <patto> yes
[03:18] <russlar> what sort of computer do you have/
[03:19] <patto> desktop it seems a problem with the graph card
[03:19] <russlar> what kind of card/
[03:19] <patto> with kde 4 on kub 8.04 it dosnt happens
[03:20] <russlar> yes. X11 changed between 8.04 and 8.10
[03:20] <russlar> what kind of card?
[03:20] <patto> is a sis inside a mother board generic
[03:20] <jmichaelx> ach, sis...
[03:21] <russlar> good luck with that.
[03:21] <patto> but with 8.04 everything runs ok
[03:22] <russlar> [22:20] <russlar> yes. X11 changed between 8.04 and 8.10
[03:22] <jmichaelx> patto: i would recommend turning to ubuntu forums on this one to see if there is anyone out there who knows of a way to get the functionality you want... i am sure you're not the only one experiencing this
[03:23] <jmichaelx> patto: just a note, i would recommend never buying another laptop with SIS graphics
[03:23] <patto> yes im sure im ot the unbique
[03:24] <jmichaelx> patto: especially if you are planning to stay with linux
[03:24] <Adam24> anyone know where one can get a version of flash compatible with Kubuntu 8.10?
[03:24] <patto> ok maybe i have to install a new grahp card is on my desktop
[03:24] <patto> with my dell latitude i couldnt install kub
[03:24] <jmichaelx> patto: is the SIS card in your laptop or desktop?
[03:24] <russlar> @adam: adobe.com
[03:25] <patto> on my desk is the one come with the MB
[03:25] <russlar> @adam: sudo install flash
[03:26] <jmichaelx> ok, if you have SIS onyouir desktop motherboard, i would DEFINITELY recommend investing in another graphics card
[03:26] <jmichaelx> sudo install flash? i don't think so\
[03:26] <patto> yeap tks i have a hed ache with this randomly turno offs
[03:26] <russlar> there should be an apt-get in there
[03:26] <patto> any way tks
[03:26] <draik> How do I create a channel with my own password to make it private?
[03:27] <jmichaelx> Adam24: try 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'
[03:27] <draik> !medibuntu | Adam24
[03:27] <jmichaelx> Adam24: i am not sure whether that will get you the newest flash player or not
[03:27] <draik> jmichaelx: That might help first.
[03:28] <jmichaelx> draik: yeah, i should have started there.....
[03:28] <jmichaelx> Adam24: you can also download the .deb from the adobe site... that will be sure to get you the newest flash plugin
[03:28] <draik> jmichaelx: ;) Just thought I'd help avoid "not found" issues
[03:29] <jmichaelx> definitely!
[03:30] <jmichaelx> SIS is a company that should have never come into existance...
[03:30] <jmichaelx> what horrible graphics cards
[03:30] <russlar> there are many companies that should never have come into existance
[03:32] <draik> Enron?!
[03:33] <russlar> red hat
[03:33] <jmichaelx> i am not a gamer, so that being said, when i buy a laptop i try to stay with intel graphics adapters. they are not great, but you seldom have compatibiilty issues with linux
[03:33] <jmichaelx> no, we need red hat
[03:33] <russlar> why?
[03:33] <russlar> in the same way we need MS?
[03:34] <jmichaelx> red hat has contributed/does contribute a LOT to the FOSS world
[03:34] <draik> We need Multiple Sclorosis?
[03:34] <jmichaelx> red hat is definitely not in the same realm as MS
[03:34] <draik> (Ironic, isn't it?)
[03:34] <russlar> without MS, there wouldn't be any motivation towards making ubuntu a better desktop os?
[03:35] <draik> And without AIDS there'd be no reason for Trojan-brand condoms.
[03:35] <jmichaelx> russlar: your k/ubuntu desktop would likely not be as nearly nice as it is without red hat's contributions
[03:35] <russlar> fair enough
[03:35] <draik> Motivation through innovation
[03:36] <jmichaelx> draik: well, there are a few other STDs worth watching out for, lol
[03:36] <russlar> like children
[03:36] <draik> jmichaelx: Yeah, like the one where stuff rots off instantly!
[03:36] <draik> LOL @ russlar
[03:36] <jmichaelx> draik: yeah, i have heard about that one... thank you, trojan~
[03:36] <jmichaelx> !
[03:38] <russlar> so... anybody got a question about kubuntu?
[03:38] <jmichaelx> probably the greatest contributor to FOSS these days is Sun... then there is red hat, IBM... and as much as i hate to say it, Novell
[03:39] <russlar> yeah, suse's been a boost
[03:40] <russlar> I'm still waiting for ZFS to get fully ported to linux, though
[03:40] <jmichaelx> and novell contributes a lot more than just what you see in suse
[03:40] <russlar> open solaris was good, but openZFS would be better
[03:40] <jmichaelx> yeah, although i think we'll start seeing ext4 becoming widely available within the next year or so
[03:41] <jmichaelx> i am wanintg to install opernsolaris on this machine in vbox
[03:41] <russlar> yeah....can't wait
[03:41] <russlar> just slammed my head into ext3's limitations
[03:42] <jmichaelx> which limitations got ya?
[03:42] <draik> Sweet! Unreal Tournament 2004 works in Ibex
[03:42] <russlar> !!!
[03:42] <jmichaelx> draik: using wine?
[03:42] <draik> jmichaelx: Nope. Resident install.
[03:42] <russlar> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:42] <jmichaelx> wow
[03:43] <draik> Unreal Tournament has a Linux install. Not supported by Atari, but it's there.
[03:43] <russlar> there goes my productivity
[03:43] <jmichaelx> lol
[03:43] <draik> Seriously
[03:43] <draik> The online play is awesome
[03:43] <Roey> is btrfs a facelift of reiserfs??
[03:43] <Roey> russlar:  is btrfs just a prettied-up reiserfs?
[03:43] <jmichaelx> thankfully, i am not a real gamer.... sad thing is that frozen bubble, njam and chess waste enough of my time the way it is LOL
[03:44] <russlar> don't know
[03:44] <Roey> ok
[03:44] <russlar> I hear it's got a heart of gold, though
[03:44] <Roey> njam from here, jmichaelx?
[03:44] <Roey> oh, not njan, ok
[03:44] <jmichaelx> i am way too remedial for the commercial games
[03:44] <russlar> i found the old BattleChess game on an abandonware site
[03:44] <luite_> is it possible to use the windows key to open the app launcher (kde4.1, intrepid)?
[03:45] <jmichaelx> Roey: njam is a primitive OS pacman knockoff
[03:45] <Roey> ah
[03:45] <legodude> how do I set up a sd card to automatically mount?
[03:45] <russlar> forgot how rewarding it was to see your pieces actually kill eachother
[03:45] <jmichaelx> sudo apt-get install njam
[03:46] <jmichaelx> njam is actually quite horrible in many ways... badly written, etc.... but i am addicted
[03:47] <DaSkreech> russlar: Learn your history
[03:47] <draik> I thought the whole Yahoo issue would have been resolved with Ibex; "Error 1 - Nslookup has failed"
[03:48] <jmichaelx> what is the yahoo issue?
[03:49] <a_> www.163.com
[03:49] <draik> jmichaelx: "Error 1 - Nslookup has failed"
[03:51] <draik> jmichaelx: It will disconnect at random, then you'll either have lady luck next to you caressing a leprechaun and automatically reconnect or not reconnect at all and you'll get the error message I provided.
[03:51] <jmichaelx> i guess i have never experienced that
[03:51] <jmichaelx> and i have NEVER seen lady luck hanging around here at all
[03:52] <Roey> dammit jmichaelx you've gotten me started on this njam
[03:53] <jmichaelx> Roey: oh no, i knew i shouldn't have brought it up. i hope you're not married....   if you are, don't tell your wifr who told you about njam
[03:53] <Roey> hahha
[03:53] <Roey> now I can't stop
[03:53] <draik> Did they get rid of Basket?
[03:53] <Roey> but
[03:53] <jmichaelx> there are already enough people who hate me
[03:53] <Roey> alright
[03:53] <draik> !info basket
[03:54] <Roey> good night jmes ;)
[03:54] <Roey> james
[03:54] <jmichaelx> adios Roey
[03:54] <Roey> jmichaelx:  by any chance...did you make njam??
[03:54] <jmichaelx> jmichaelx: no, some russian guy did. there is even an njam2, but it is not open source
[03:54] <draik> WOOHOO! I have my basket
[03:54] <Roey> haha ok
[03:54] <Roey> draik:  ...
[03:54] <benjamin> is there a place to go to get more widgets beyond what 8.10 ships with?
[03:55] <russlar> @ben: kde-look.org
[03:55] <draik> I have created many notes. One of which was how to do many things in Kubuntu Hearty Heroin.
[03:55] <jmichaelx> benjamin: there are a few more widgets you can install from the repos
[03:56] <jmichaelx> i am using the weather widget.... although i like liquid weather better
[03:56] <draik> jmichaelx: What is the difference with the script and binary?
[03:57] <jmichaelx> draik: script and binary for what? sorry, i am trying to pay attention to several different things
[03:58] <draik> jmichaelx: Sorry. In regards to the widgets. I was checking them out at kde-look.org and saw both sections.
[03:58] <benjamin> i just upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10, and i can't seem to find adept manager anymore, was it replaced with something else?
[03:58] <draik> benjamin: It's still there
[03:58] <jmichaelx> draik: interesting. i have not looked at plasma widgets at kde look yet
[03:58] <benjamin> nvm, it's package manager now
[03:59] <jmichaelx> Roey: you can even run njam in a smaller window if you start it from the command line using the -w flag
[03:59] <Roey> jmichaelx:  ok
[03:59] <Roey> thanks
[04:00] <jmichaelx> that way, you can umm, play njam and chat in irc at the same time...
[04:00] <Roey> hahahaha
[04:00] <Roey> I'm going to bed I think
[04:00] <draik> jmichaelx: Way to help with the start of an addiction!
[04:00] <russlar> quitter
[04:00] <Roey> but thanks for showing it to me :)
[04:00] <Roey> russlar:  /nevar/!!!!
[04:00] <Roey> good night guys :)
[04:00] <jmichaelx> i cause problems everywhere i go...
[04:00] <russlar> cheers
[04:00] <jmichaelx> night
[04:00] <draik> G'night
[04:01] <russlar> @jmich: chaos, panic and disorder. my work here is done.
[04:01] <jmichaelx> lol russ
[04:01] <jmichaelx> you're quitting, too?
[04:01] <draik> russlar: Said as you walk away from the ms hq
[04:02] <russlar> hehehe
[04:03] <russlar> not walk, run
[04:03] <russlar> dodging chairs
[04:03] <draik> LOL
[04:03] <legodude> how can I have dolphin always show the full path?
[04:03] <benjamin> anyone know when openoffice 3 will be released into the repos?
[04:04] <russlar> @ben: never
[04:04] <russlar> get the .debs from openoffice.org
[04:04] <benjamin> russlar: really?
[04:04] <benjamin> why never?
[04:04] <russlar> really
[04:04] <russlar> wasn't done in time
[04:04] <russlar> it'll be in 9.04
[04:04] <benjamin> sad
[04:05] <russlar> would you rather it have been included as a beta?
[04:05] <jmichaelx> i would be shocked if ooo3 were not added to intrepid by the end of the year
[04:05] <legodude> and, in dolphin, is it possible to set a default view for all photos, and keep that unless it is specifically changed per folder?
[04:05] <benjamin> that's more what i'm hoping for
[04:05] <draik> russlar: Why not? Then you'd have people complaining about having a beta and that they should have kept it out and left it for when it was ready (9.04)
[04:06] <jmichaelx> draik: amen
[04:06] <benjamin> i'm fine with it not being in the release, but after it's been out, can't we have it rolled out to us?
[04:06] <russlar> after it's been tested and vetted
[04:06] <benjamin> well sure
[04:06] <russlar> the devs are celebrating having gotten ibex out on time
[04:07] <jmichaelx> benjamin: people who need a stable desktop for a work environment generally have a high appreciation for conservatism when it comes to adding new, untested software
[04:07] <benjamin> it looks like they did a good job though, they should be proud
[04:07] <jmichaelx> although... it makes me wonder about the choice to go with kde4
[04:07] <russlar> 4.1 is much more stable than 4.0
[04:08] <benjamin> the plasmoid stuff is cool, but it's a bit slower on this machine than kde3 was
[04:08] <benjamin> i'm considering switching over to xfce...
[04:08] <jmichaelx> russlar: true, but it is still far from what i would call stable
[04:08] <russlar> well, yeah
[04:08] <jmichaelx> xfce is very nice. i always have kde and xfce installed
[04:09] <russlar> I've never used xfce
[04:09] <brewmaster> is there no way to move widgets on the panel in kde4?
[04:09] <russlar> @beerman: yes, there is
[04:09] <brewmaster> russlar: how?
[04:09] <russlar> click on the cashew, then click "unlok widgets"
[04:10] <brewmaster> russlar: they're not locked
[04:10] <brewmaster> i can move them around on my desktop
[04:11] <brewmaster> but not on the panel at the bottom
[04:11] <russlar> ok....
[04:11] <russlar> click the cashew on the panel
[04:11] <brewmaster> (i just added the traditional k-manu, and it's stuck on the far right)
[04:11] <jmichaelx> brewmaster: click 'panel settings'. it will let you move your icons
[04:12] <brewmaster> jmichaelx: panel setting just lets me change the size and location of the entire panel
[04:13] <russlar> click on the cashew on the far right on the panel
[04:13] <russlar> some stuff should appear above the panel
[04:13] <russlar> ignore it
[04:13] <draik> LOL
[04:13] <russlar> your cursor will turn into an arrow when you hover ofer the panel
[04:13] <draik> "Yeah, there's some stuff that will come up. Yeah, it looks interesting and tempting to touch, but ignore it"
[04:14] <SkittleLinux18> benjamin: xfce is a very plain and simple DM. i wouldn't expect to do much with it. however, if you want performance over eye candy, it is an excellent choice
[04:14] <brewmaster> i have no cashew on the far right of the panel
[04:14] <jmichaelx> i had never realized that was supposed to be a cashew..... i thought it was like some distorted knockoff og the gnome symbol
[04:14] <russlar> then your widgets are locked. unlock them
[04:14] <draik> jmichaelx: Me, too.
[04:14] <DaSkreech> draik: #basket-devel
[04:14] <draik> DaSkreech: Huh?
[04:14] <russlar> cashew, powderhorn, water droplet
[04:15] <jmichaelx> lol
[04:15] <jmichaelx> clubfoot...
[04:15] <russlar> cat's nostril
[04:15] <jmichaelx> lol
[04:15] <jmichaelx> leaky wineskin
[04:15] <draik> Whoa!
[04:15] <DaSkreech> legodude: KDE 4.2
[04:15] <DaSkreech> benjamin: OO.o 3 in 6 months :)
[04:16] <benjamin> awesome!
[04:16] <draik> As for a clubfoot, it's deformed with the toes not even touching the foot.
[04:16] <russlar> yoda's foot?
[04:16] <draik> LOL
[04:16] <benjamin> wait
[04:16] <russlar> ben: 9.04 is in 6 month
[04:16] <benjamin> that's the next release :P
[04:16] <draik> LOL
[04:16] <benjamin> le sigh
[04:16] <jmichaelx> well, i assumed it was just a footprint of a clubfoot... you wouldn't be able to see all of it
[04:16] <draik> I was waiting for that!
[04:16] <draik> Points to DaSkreech
[04:18] <Guest43932> Hey everyone, I'm having a problem with an external hard drive.  Apparently it was not disconnected properly and I can't seem to force it to mount.  I followed the instructions for the /etc/fstab (or I thought I did), but that's not working either.  Can anyone help me?  I don't have access to a windows machine so I need a Kubuntu solution
[04:19] <draik> How do I create a private channel?
[04:19] <DaSkreech> draik: type join #mychan
[04:19] <Tetracomm> I just installed a program using make install and this is the error I get when I try to run it, help?: http://pastebin.com/d56a830e
[04:19] <draik> I mean to setup a password and all
[04:20] <russlar> geust: if it's in th efstab, do sudo mount -a
[04:20] <DaSkreech> draik: #freenode
[04:20] <draik> DaSkreech: Any way of setting up a password on a channel of my choice?
[04:21] <DaSkreech> ^^^
[04:21] <DaSkreech> Talk to the guys who run the server
[04:21] <Guest43932> russlar: I am looking in the /etc folder and I don't see anything called fstab, am I looking in the wrong place?
[04:21] <draik> Thank you DaSkreech
[04:22] <russlar> @guest: are you in dolphin?
[04:22] <Guest43932> russlar: That and the command line
[04:23] <Guest43932> russlar: Found it
[04:23] <chrisruls00> I need help adding a printer. I have an HP photosmart that uses Wi-Fi to connect directly to the router. How would I install this printer in Kubuntu 8.10?
[04:24] <Guest43932> russlar: I see the error on /dev/sda1 What do I need to change to force it to mount?
[04:24] <russlar> error on sda1?
[04:24] <russlar> what does df -h say that is mounted as?
[04:24] <Guest73870> when I inserted kubuntu as a live CD, it listed my broadcom wireless as a proprietary driver that it wanted to install (didn't install it).  However, after the installation, it's no longer listed there.
[04:25] <Guest43932> russlar: Nope, sorry that's just if there is an error it will remount.  The drive is not there
[04:25] <russlar> sda1 is not mounted?
[04:25] <russlar> wtf?
[04:25] <russlar> what do you have mounted?
[04:25] <Guest43932> russlar: Yes, sda1 is mounted.  I want to mount sdb1
[04:26] <russlar> id there an entry in your fstab for sdb1?
[04:26] <Guest43932> russlar: No
[04:27] <Guest73870> anyone know how i can get the Hardware Drivers panel to reprobe for hardware?
[04:27] <russlar> make one
[04:27] <russlar> @guest#2: reboot
[04:27] <kuadhual> hello all, I got problem with network. I just clean install to kubuntu 8.10. some how it doesn't resolv a host name... but i can ping to an IP number just fine. anybody know a work around?
[04:27] <Guest43932> russlar: Just type # /dev/sdb1 ?
[04:27] <Guest73870> i just rebooted
[04:28] <Guest73870> the light for the wireless button on my laptop is also off
[04:28] <Guest73870> and the button won't turn it on, works fine on windows.
[04:28] <russlar> no
[04:29] <Guest43932> russlar: Ok, sorry...The error says to add this line to the appropriate row in fstab "/dev/sdb1 /media/External HD-1 ntfs-3g force 0 0" but which is the appropriate line?
[04:29] <russlar> sure
[04:30] <russlar> now do mount -a
[04:30] <joe-coder> iwconfig does list my adapter though
[04:30] <joe-coder> and it shows up in knetwork manager
[04:30] <russlar> ok....
[04:31] <chrisruls00> I really need some help.
[04:31] <Guest43932> It says that the last line that I just added was bad
[04:31] <russlar> ok
[04:32] <russlar> so unplug the drive
[04:32] <russlar> wait a few, then plug it back in
[04:32] <russlar> see if it comes up
[04:32] <jmichaelx> joe-coder: what problem are you having?
[04:32] <Guest43932> russlar: seeing...
[04:33] <russlar> it's believeng
[04:33] <Guest43932> russlar: hmmm it says permissions denied
[04:34] <russlar> sudo chmod 777 whatever/it/is
[04:34] <kuadhual> can anybody help me with network configuration?
[04:35] <Guest43932> russlar: Ok, I entered "sudo chmod 777 /dev/sdb1" but still denied, I was supposed to enter something else?
[04:35] <joe-coder> kuadhual, I need the same
[04:35] <DaSkreech> How do I make a new Archive with Ark?
[04:35] <jmichaelx> joe-coder: i was asking what problem you were having
[04:35] <russlar> you can't change permissions on the device file
[04:36] <russlar> you have to mount it as root
[04:36] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: What are you trying ?
[04:36] <Guest43932> daskreech: I'm trying to mount an external HD that was improperly removed from another system
[04:36] <russlar> @da: guest is trying to mount a disk
[04:36] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: Where to?
[04:36] <kuadhual> joe-coder: what proble do you have
[04:37] <DaSkreech> !tab | russlar
[04:37] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: I don't know what the answer to that is...I just want to be able to view the files on the drive
[04:37] <russlar> DaSkreech: good to knkow
[04:37] <joe-coder> i have broadcom wireless on my laptop, can't get the hardware drivers panel to detect the proprietary driver and install it.  it showed it on live boot but after install it no longer shows it as an option.
[04:37] <Guest43932> It still says the last line that I added to the fstab is bad
[04:38] <russlar> Guest43932: you need a mountpoint for the drive
[04:38] <jmichaelx> chrisruls00: i know how to set up network printing to access a remote printer connected to a PC, but not a standalone network printer. have you checked the forums?
[04:38] <russlar> take that fstab line out
[04:38] <Guest43932> russlar: removed
[04:38] <russlar> ok....
[04:38] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: Ok do this
[04:38] <russlar> sudo mkdir /mnt/drive
[04:38] <DaSkreech> mkdir tempsee ; sudo mount /dev/sdb1 tempsee
[04:39] <russlar> ^^^^^^^
[04:39] <DaSkreech> then ls tempsee
[04:39] <joe-coder> iwconfig shows my broadcom wireless, and so does network manager.
[04:39] <DaSkreech> russlar: doesn't need to sudo /mnt locally works just as well
[04:39] <kuadhual> I have a broadcom STA too... but after I activated the restricted driver, I cannot resolv any dadress
[04:39] <Guest43932> so make the directory in /mnt yes?
[04:39] <chrisruls00> It easily detected it back on 7.10 but I had to do a clean install recently. I'm thinking I would need to find out it's IP address 1st.
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: No in ~
[04:40] <kuadhual> it's working fine in 8.04
[04:40] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: ah, ok
[04:40] <joe-coder> unfortunately, i don't have an option to activate the restricted driver.
[04:40] <DaSkreech> we can clean it up later if it works
[04:40] <joe-coder> where did you go to activate it?
[04:40] <DaSkreech> russlar: I actually always have a empty Dir in ~ to do quick nasty mounts
[04:40] <DaSkreech>  :)
[04:41] <russlar> DaSkreech: that just sounds wrong
[04:41] <joe-coder> kuadhual: where did you go to activate the driver?
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Doesn't it? :)
[04:41] <kuadhual> joe-coder: i'm using jockey
[04:41] <russlar> DaSkreech: do that in someone else's home
[04:41] <Guest43932> It came up with errors, hang on I'll pastbin them
[04:41] <DaSkreech> russlar: That's just wrong
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: Great :)
[04:41] <kuadhual> joe-coder: K Menu -> System -> Hardware Driver
[04:41] <russlar> DaSkreech: what? have someone else clean up the mess
[04:42] <jmichaelx> this may be ridiculous, chrisruls00, but you could maybe nmap your network to find your printer's IP address
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Not with my priviliges they don't
[04:42] <joe-coder> ok, that's where I was already
[04:42] <joe-coder> in Hardware Driver
[04:42] <Guest43932> !pastebin
[04:43] <Guest43932> http://paste.ubuntu.com/66601/
[04:43] <jmichaelx> chrisruls00: have you entered http://127.0.0.1:63 in a browser and checked to see if your network printer is listed?
[04:44] <russlar> Guest43932: choice 2
[04:44] <russlar> Guest43932: choice 2
[04:44] <russlar> Guest43932: choice 2
[04:44] <kuadhual> joe-coder: I have to activate, reboot, deactivate, reboot a few times before it can install the driver.
[04:44] <russlar> Guest43932: choice 2
[04:44] <kuadhual> now I deactivate the driver in my laptop
[04:45] <jmichaelx> russlar suggests choice 2, Guest43932
[04:45] <chrisruls00> I found it already in my routers DCHP list. I just printed a test page and that worked so I think I am good to go.
[04:45] <jmichaelx> chrisruls00: awesome
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: Whats the issue with the drive again?
[04:45] <Guest43932> russlar: I tried that by adding it to the end of the fstab list, but it said it was wrong...I also tried doing the first optiong (I guess that's choice 2a) and still didn't get it
[04:45] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: It was improperly disconnected from another computer
[04:46] <jmichaelx> i think that should have been http://127.0.0.1:631 , but oh, well
[04:46] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: So you haven't had any problems with the drive on other computers?
[04:46] <Guest43932> Maybe it's because there was not mount point then?
[04:46] <russlar> DaSkreech: got yanked from winduhs without being properly ejected
[04:46] <Guest43932> Nope, and none on this one until the plug was pulled prematurely on a windows machine
[04:46] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: Was it writing to the drive at the time?
[04:47] <kuadhual> anybody else have any suggestion?
[04:47] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: no, it just gets pissy if you pull it without ejecting
[04:48] <Guest43932> Hey I got it!
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: Yeah 2 will work
[04:48] <Guest43932> I think the problem was there was not mount point created for it
[04:48] <DaSkreech> That would be correct
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: You can unmount it properly with sudo umount tempsee
[04:49] <Guest43932> So can I now (properly) disconnect and reconnet at will?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> then rmdir tempsee to clean up
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: after you sudo umount tempsee then yes
[04:50] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: I must be doing something wrong it says unmount:  command not found
[04:50] <jmichaelx> 'umount'
[04:51] <jmichaelx> no 'n'
[04:51]  * kuadhual moving on
[04:51] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: Worst named command of all time
[04:51] <DaSkreech> umount
[04:52] <DaSkreech> not unmount
[04:52] <kevbuntu_> ok i am having a problem in Kubuntu
[04:52] <kevbuntu_> hahaha
[04:52] <kevbuntu_> i posted this thread:
[04:52] <kevbuntu_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6093196#post6093196
[04:52] <russlar> DaSkreech: touch?
[04:52] <kevbuntu_> but maybe someone can help me here
[04:52] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: still having trouble here.. I'm in this /tempsee dir and I am typing sudo umount
[04:52] <jmichaelx> i know the command is 'umount', but i still type unmount off and on when using that command
[04:52] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: no luck
[04:53] <DaSkreech> russlar: What about it?
[04:53] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: You can't umount if yo uare in it
[04:53] <russlar> worse named than umount?
[04:53] <DaSkreech> russlar: Nope umount is worse
[04:54] <condon> alrighty, got four bg images running just fine...now I've got no menus and no ability to right click to do anything... anyone know what I might have fudged up?
[04:54] <DaSkreech> MMMM fudge
[04:54] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: can You walk him through an unmounting ?
[04:55] <russlar> gorramit, now I'm hungry
[04:55] <Guest43932> Woo it works!
[04:55] <Guest43932> rm tempsee
[04:55] <JR2CooL> Hey peeps, sorry if this question has already been asked, I just entered. I have no sound with kubuntu 8.10
[04:55] <russlar> did you umount it first?
[04:55] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: rmdir
[04:55] <DaSkreech>  asumming that Guest43932 is a he :)
[04:55] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: There we go...and yes, a he
[04:55] <russlar> DaSkreech: there are no females on the internet, remember?
[04:55] <jmichaelx> ok, what are you trying to unmount.... sorry, i am watching friday's democracy now, chatting in irc and playing njam at the same time
[04:55] <DaSkreech> !women
[04:56] <Guest43932> Thank you both for your help...I wouldn't have figured that out on my own
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: Ok .. umm you did umount it first right ?
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: Shouldn't need to but it's really quick for repair operations
[04:56] <Dragnslicer> The Internet: where men are men, women are men, and girls are FBI agents
[04:56] <condon> anyone rund kde 4.1 with multiple bg images?
[04:56] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: Yes, of course
[04:56] <JR2CooL> can anyone help me get sound
[04:57] <DaSkreech> condon: in 4.2 I think outside of using activites
[04:57] <DaSkreech> No wait you can do multiple BG now
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: it's simply mkdir something; sudo mount /dev/device -t filesystem something
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Off you go fixing stuff
[04:58] <condon> I edited plasma-appletsrc, background color from 0,0,0 to 0,0,0,0 and turned on Wallpaper plugin in compiz
[04:58] <condon> restarted x
[04:58] <DaSkreech> condon: Compiz would be the issue I guess
[04:58] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: Already writing it down...thank you again
[04:58] <condon> now I've got my multiple backgrounds, looks nice, just no menus or ability to right click on the desktop
[04:59] <Guest81424> in setting up my wireless in network manager, (WPA), whenever I change the shared key, it doesn't stick.
[04:59] <condon> how can I tell from consol what version kde I've got?
[04:59] <joe-coder2> the key is an 8-digit alpha-numeric
[04:59] <DaSkreech> condon: Ahhh I should know that...
[05:00] <joe-coder2> however, the shared key field is pre-populated with a long hexadecimal string
[05:00] <julian> does anyone knowk how to open .chm files on okular?
[05:00] <russlar> julian: dont. install kchmviewer
[05:01] <DaSkreech> condon: kde4-config --version
[05:01] <DaSkreech> condon: or kde-config --version if not on KDE4 yet
[05:01] <julian> but okular is able to open that kind of files?
[05:02] <julian> i'm trying to avoid kde3 apps
[05:02] <condon> says 1.0...where do I get 2?
[05:02] <jmichaelx> i was thinking that okular was supposed to be able to view chm files...
[05:02] <condon> sorry, 1.2
[05:03] <DaSkreech> 4.1.2 ?
[05:03] <condon> yep
[05:03] <DaSkreech> That's the latest version
[05:03] <condon> oh, ok
[05:03] <chrisruls00> What program out there will extract rar files? Ark isn't working
[05:03] <DaSkreech>  1.3 comes out in two days or something
[05:03] <jmichaelx> chrisruls00: it works best to use 'unrar' from the command line
[05:03] <chrisruls00> ok, thanks
[05:04] <jmichaelx> chrisruls00: to unrar to your current directory, use 'unrar e filename'
[05:04] <JR2CooL> guys i need help getting my sound to work
[05:04] <JR2CooL> any takers
[05:04] <julian> thanks russlar
[05:04] <julian> :P
[05:05] <russlar> np?
[05:06] <chrisruls00> It worked, thanks.
[05:06] <jmichaelx> yw
[05:06] <DaSkreech> !info unrar-nonfree
[05:06] <chrisruls00> (Although I had to install unrar first)
[05:06] <DaSkreech> !info unrar
[05:06] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:06] <russlar> bug!
[05:06] <DaSkreech> !sound
[05:07] <jmichaelx> i did not realize that unrar was nonfree
[05:07] <DaSkreech> There used to be a free version. Guess it died
[05:08] <jmichaelx> that is sad
[05:09] <russlar> they took unrar's freedo m
[05:09] <jmichaelx> i would like to truly know the amount of nonfree software/firmware/etc i have installed on this machine
[05:09] <julian> rms
[05:10] <jmichaelx> i could ask rms to check this machine out, but i think he's fairly busy these days
[05:10] <jmichaelx> he'd just hand me a gnewsense install CD, and tell me to start over
[05:11] <russlar> or ask you to work on hurd
[05:11] <sparr> grr @ kubuntu pushing new ktorrent with less features
[05:11] <russlar> grrr@god for pushing creation with its flaws
[05:12] <sparr> funny
[05:12] <julian> i mean, rms is not a
[05:12] <julian> n app?
[05:12] <sparr> every time i upgrade en masse, i regret it
[05:12] <shadowwulf> question,.....updated my kubuntu...had 6 updates... sound was working ...now it is not ,.,suggestions ?
[05:13] <julian> excuse me
[05:13] <julian> is vrms
[05:13] <russlar> kernel was an update?
[05:14] <shadowwulf> any ideas how to get my sound back ?
[05:17] <shadowwulf> help would be a good thing.. otherwise i will think i will have to reinstall
[05:18] <jmichaelx> shadowwulf: this sounds like an issue for the ubuntu forums
[05:18] <shadowwulf> but i installed kubuntu
[05:18] <sparr> shadowwulf: try #ubuntu for non-kde-specific problems
[05:18] <jmichaelx> shadowwulf: you need to know the exact audio adapter you are using... there may already be an answer there
[05:19] <shadowwulf> ok
[05:19] <sparr> shadowwulf: kubuntu and ubuntu are the same OS with a different GUI
[05:19] <shadowwulf> ok
[05:19] <sparr> ditto xubuntu, medibuntu, mythbuntu
[05:19] <russlar> ubuntu muslin edition
[05:19] <favro> medibuntu is a distro is it...?
[05:19] <shadowwulf> ok thank you
[05:19] <ardchoille> favro: medibuntu is a repo
[05:19] <ardchoille> !medibuntu
[05:19] <favro> I know
[05:20] <ardchoille> oh, I see now, sorry
[05:20] <favro> :)
[05:20] <sparr> russlar: you realize that "muslin" is a type of fabric used to make curtains right?
[05:21] <russlar> sparr: you realize it's 0020, and the m and n keys are right next to each other?
[05:21] <russlar> right?
[05:21] <ardchoille> haha
[05:21] <sparr> sorry, too used to making fun of ignorant americans for that mistake
[05:22] <russlar> yeah, well
[05:24] <jmichaelx> will there be an ubuntu polyester edition?
[05:24] <favro> shadowwulf: I start with   alsamixer   in konsole and make sure all are turned up
[05:24] <russlar> jmichaelx: ubuntu travolta edition
[05:24] <jmichaelx> i'd rather have a beegees' edition
[05:25] <draik> Ibex looks like an emo edition
[05:25] <jmichaelx> maybe even screamo
[05:25] <russlar> ibex looks like a coffee stain
[05:25] <draik> I read that as a coffin stain.
[05:25] <draik> I think I prefer mine.
[05:26] <sparr> it bothers me how much weight people put into things as silly as the default theme in a new [k]ubuntu release
[05:26] <sparr> completely ignoring the important stuff.  wtf does it matter that the desktop is grey instead of blue??
[05:26] <russlar> it bothers me how much weight people put into themselves
[05:26] <sparr> oh look, we made the BUTTONS BIGGER!
[05:27] <russlar> hey now
[05:27] <jmichaelx> i was SO unbelievably pissed about having to switch to kde4 in order to upgrade to intrepid... but it is starting to grow on me. however, i still think they should have waited at least one more release to do this (at least)
[05:27] <draik> I like elevator buttons!
[05:27] <russlar> MS Office 2007's interface is teh shit!
[05:27] <favro> this all sounds like it belongs in #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:27] <favro> !topic
[05:28] <jmichaelx> favro: or maybe even better channels than that..
[05:28] <jmichaelx> there are still nazis in kubuntu-offtopic
[05:29] <sparr> kde4 is almost ready
[05:30] <draik> KDE4 has been out.
[05:30] <sparr> another 6 months and it will not be missing any of the functionality that kde3 had 2 years ago
[05:30] <sparr> which is to say, the functionality that kubuntu had up until a week ago :(
[05:30] <ardchoille> you know you can always switch/upgrade/install Intrepid and use a window manager instead of kde4. There are lots of window managers available and the most popular ones are in the repos.
[05:31] <shadowwulf> it says my master is off ...how do i turn it on ?
[05:31] <ardchoille> fluxbox, enlightenment, openbox, windowmaker.. I can't really decide which one I want :)
[05:31] <sparr> is kde3 included in your "the most popular ones"?
[05:31] <sparr> or kwin[3], if you want to get picky
[05:31] <ardchoille> kde3 is not a window manager
[05:31] <ardchoille> oh, no
[05:31] <sparr> i want kwin v3, kicker v3, etc.
[05:32] <sparr> there is so much stuff i did last week that i cant do right now with kde 4
[05:32] <favro> shadowwulf: you can use the scollwheel or + button to turn it up - arrows to move to it
[05:32] <jmichaelx> i have a younger brother who is of the conviction that windowmaker is still the very best window manager ever
[05:32] <ardchoille> sparr: looks like you have a lot of compiling to do :)
[05:32] <favro> !ot
[05:32] <holycow> hi
[05:32] <holycow> what versio nof kde is default in ibex?
[05:32] <favro> kde4
[05:32] <jmichaelx> !hi | favro
[05:32] <draik> KDE4
[05:32] <sparr> favro: oh, the support questions will be coming when i start mixing hardy packages into my intrepid :)
[05:32] <ardchoille> kde4.1.2
[05:32] <sd32> !webcam
[05:32] <holycow> really?
[05:32] <holycow> k.
[05:33] <sparr> hardy and edgy
[05:33] <ardchoille> sparr: hahaha
[05:33] <sparr> mixing distros is tedious
[05:33] <sparr> if im going back to get kde3 from hardy, i might as well pick up xmms from edgy while im back there
[05:33] <shadowwulf> apparently <shift>
[05:33] <shadowwulf> apparently <shift> + isnt doing it
[05:34] <holycow> is it possible to remove packages via apt with a wildcard of some sort? i need to get rid of the old kde4 packages from hardy
[05:34] <ardchoille> shadowwulf: volume?
[05:34] <shadowwulf> all up
[05:34] <russlar> holycow: why?
[05:34] <favro> shadowwulf: try the up arrow in alsamixer
[05:34] <jmichaelx> sparr: there is someone maintaining a kde3 repo for kubuntu intrepid... look in the forums
[05:34] <draik> It's getting late and I have a long day tomorrow. G'night everyone. holycow, your name ROCKS!
[05:35] <holycow> lawl
[05:35] <jmichaelx> gute nacht, herr draik
[05:35] <sparr> holycow: apt-get remove *foo*
[05:35] <ardchoille> holycow: you could always find the most base package that kde4 depends on and remove it with --auto-remove and that should take all of kde4 out with it
[05:35] <sparr> check the list it generates twice
[05:36] <shadowwulf> have tried that ... does not work....
[05:36] <holycow> sparr: there is no easy way to remove an entire de, would be nice to use a wildcard of some sort *-kde4 for example without having to bash script it
[05:36] <shadowwulf> one of the updates broke the sound
[05:36] <holycow> ardchoille: maybe, hard to know which one is the base library at this point
[05:36] <favro> shadowwulf: in konsole type   aplay -l   to see if the card is used
[05:37] <jmichaelx> you could open up synaptic and just manually select all of the kde4 packages you want to remove. it may be a bit tedious, but it wouldn't take more than 5 minutes to do, i would imagine
[05:37] <ardchoille> holycow: open a terminal and type:  apt-cache search kde4 | grep lib
[05:38] <shadowwulf> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[05:38] <shadowwulf> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC861 Analog [ALC861 Analog]
[05:38] <shadowwulf>   Subdevices: 0/1
[05:38] <shadowwulf>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[05:38] <shadowwulf> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 1: ALC861 Digital [ALC861 Digital]
[05:38] <shadowwulf>   Subdevices: 1/1
[05:38] <shadowwulf>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[05:38] <shadowwulf> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 6: Si3054 Modem [Si3054 Modem]
[05:38] <shadowwulf>   Subdevices: 1/1
[05:38] <jmichaelx> shadowwulf: ......
[05:38] <shadowwulf>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[05:38] <ardchoille> !paste > shadowwulf
[05:38] <jmichaelx> don't do that
[05:38] <favro> shadowwulf: there is a wiki for your card
[05:39] <favro> !intelhda
[05:39] <mifunya> Hi All
[05:39] <favro> !hi
[05:40] <shadowwulf> i dunno
[05:40] <shadowwulf> how do i check
[05:41] <shadowwulf> it was working when i first installed ,..,now it doesnt workj
[05:41] <favro> shadowwulf:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[05:41] <favro> try that
[05:43] <holycow> looks like aptitude accepts ~n as a wildcard option
[05:43] <holycow> neato
[05:43] <jmichaelx> what i would like to know is what the hell they did to adept.... talk about massive fail
[05:44] <holycow> kinda fugly eh?
[05:44] <holycow> yeah needs work
[05:45] <jmichaelx> fugly is fine with me.... but how functional is it? i cannot even figure out how to just view a list of all available packages, installed or not
[05:45] <ek> jmichaelx: apt-cache search
[05:45] <jmichaelx> i have switched to using adept or synaptic
[05:45] <holycow> yeah synaptic is probably a pretty good model to aim for as far as that is concerned indeed
[05:46] <jmichaelx> ek, i know... but the purpose of adept is to be a GUI package manager
[05:46] <ek> jmichaelx: Just open Adept. By default it will show you every available package as well as installed packages.
[05:46] <jmichaelx> oops.... i have switched to using aptitude or synaptic
[05:46] <jmichaelx> ek: in kubuntu 8.10, it will not do that by default
[05:47] <ek> jmichaelx: Ah. I haven't play with that much yet. Just installed it recently at work on Friday afternoon. So, won't be able to play until tomorrow. =/
[05:47] <jmichaelx> ek: i am not even sure what you can do to MAKE it do that
[05:47] <ek> jmichaelx: However, I did see that it was different. I did get a list of installed packages somehow though (I think).
[05:48] <jmichaelx> ek: yeah, we are all just feeling our way around
[05:48] <ek> jmichaelx: Not sure. I'll check it out though.
[05:48] <ek> jmichaelx: Indeed.
[05:48] <jmichaelx> ek: it is very different than the adept from 3.5... and not very intuitive , if youask me
[05:51] <jmichaelx> well, good night, all!
[05:51] <jmichaelx> peace
[05:51] <ek> jmichaelx: G'night.
[05:52] <ek> jmichaelx: Also, remember that are still going to be massive changes to KDE...
[05:52] <ek> I'm sure Adept isn't excluded from those.
[05:53] <Daisuke_Ido> sad thing is i lost a bet concerning adept in kde4
[05:53] <Daisuke_Ido> i bet someone that it couldn't possibly get any worse in kde4...  i'll never see that $10 again
[05:53] <holycow> what elk said needs to be kept in mind right
[05:54] <holycow> kde4 is quite revolutionary on many levels, not everything will be nice and polished right away
[05:55] <holycow> one of the main things i'm seeing is increased stability of kde4 apps over kde3 native ones ... its purely anecdotal / usage based opinion but so far it has been a very good transition for something so young
[05:55] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: making a major change to the DE's main package management tool is a good thing, but they went for easier and overshot it all the way to fisher-price
[05:55] <holycow> the big thing that is yet to get stable is plasma, after that i think we are going to have a very nice user experience
[05:55] <Daisuke_Ido> and there are some kde4 apps that i like
[05:56] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido: i'm not sure i garee.  i think the important thing to remember is this is linux
[05:56] <holycow> everything is modular
[05:56] <Daisuke_Ido> and plasma (being the core of the whole thing) should have been stable at 4.0, that was a massive mistake on the part of the kde team, in my opinion
[05:56] <holycow> just because the default is fisher price doesn't mean you cant style it to be whatever you want
[05:56] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: oh, i know, i don't use adept, i've never been able to stand it
[05:56] <Daisuke_Ido> actually, i do most package management from a terminal anyway
[05:57] <holycow> yeah i think plasma needs some tlc, but i'm loath to complain - foks do this on thier own time and frankly in comparison to tha attrocious vista release kde4 team has done quite well indeed
[05:57] <holycow> they didn't spend 4 billion dollars either
[05:58] <Daisuke_Ido> i agree, kde4 has, since .0, made some huge strides
[05:58] <Daisuke_Ido> and i'm slowly warming up to it
[05:58] <Daisuke_Ido> just that certain parts i find to be severely lacking
[05:58] <Daisuke_Ido> best i can do is offer bug reports though :\
[05:59] <holycow> ditto
[05:59] <holycow> *nod*
[05:59] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm going to give amarok 2 a fair shake
[06:00] <holycow> i was not too happy with the early releases, it really has come around to be something quite nice already
[06:00] <Daisuke_Ido> even though i'm loathe to do so, i find it's a hideous monstrosity compared to its better sibling.  but my mysql db for amarok is hosed, so i'm going to go ahead and use amarok2 while i work on that
[06:01] <Daisuke_Ido> the question is: does a music player really need the extra panel?
[06:01] <Daisuke_Ido> three panes is a bit overkill
[06:02] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido: well you can say that about any app
[06:02] <holycow> every interface is really nothing more than an editorial decision by authors against a particular piece of software
[06:03] <holycow> theoretically one can break down the entire de experience to a whole bazillion widgets
[06:03] <binMonkey> hi, guys.
[06:03] <holycow> and just give youa blank canvas to drag and drop functionality and attach behaviours
[06:03] <isaacj87> #ubuntu-forums
[06:03] <holycow> it's just too hard to do that right now
[06:03] <holycow> i think we will see that when the next generatio nof high level interactivity/programming starts to be created
[06:03] <binMonkey> i'm looking to buy a wireless usb.  any suggestions for one that's supported?
[06:04] <holycow> binMonkey: google is your best bet there my friend
[06:04] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: yet in this case i'm talking about a decision to scrap a design that is much beloved by a majority of linux users, and probably plays a big part in why those users use amarok in the first place
[06:04] <Daisuke_Ido> iow: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
[06:04] <holycow> we can give you specific things we bought  but i think the ubuntu wiki has a list of supported devices
[06:04] <holycow> thats going to help you much more
[06:05] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido: heh well people still use winamp
[06:05] <binMonkey> let me try another way.  are any of using wireless usb?  was it supported out of the box?
[06:05] <Daisuke_Ido> but as i said, i'm going to give amarok2 a fair shake and see what i think after a week of using it
[06:05] <Daisuke_Ido> binMonkey: did you completely miss what he just said?
 we can give you specific things we bought  but i think the ubuntu wiki has a list of supported devices
[06:05] <Daisuke_Ido> read the wiki
[06:05] <Daisuke_Ido> it has a list of supported devices
[06:05] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido: they didn't change amarok too much, looks like they are keeping the core of the app there
[06:06] <binMonkey> Daisuke_Ido: no.  i have googled this question.  i am looking for experienced users opinions.
[06:06] <holycow> but they also aren't doing a find / replace against the api just to port the old app so ... so its giving them opportunity to rethink it as well
[06:06] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: we'll see :)
[06:06] <ectospasm> I've got issues with KDE4, should I get in line?
[06:06] <Daisuke_Ido> i like album grouping, i hate how it gets broken if i remove one file
[06:06] <holycow> indeed :)
[06:07] <holycow> ectospasm: depends, most issues are with users applying the wrong expectations against an open source project
[06:07] <Daisuke_Ido> i hate not being able to automatically sort the playlist by artist or title or album or $tag
[06:08] <ectospasm> holycow: it just seems like such an unfinished product
[06:08] <Ashex> anyone else have their volume control break after upgrade?
[06:08] <holycow> ectospasm: nothing in open source is finsihed
[06:08] <holycow> where would you get the idea anything is finished?
[06:08] <ectospasm> Ah, but nothing commercial is finished, either
[06:08] <holycow> we are all on a perpetual yellow brick road toward perfection
[06:08] <holycow> ectospasm: BINGO
[06:08] <holycow> its just got a nice shiny sticker on it
[06:08] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: it may never be finished, but ffs, it should be usable
[06:08] <holycow> :)
[06:08] <Ashex> ectospasm, nah, commercial stuff just spontaneously gains features on release
[06:08] <Daisuke_Ido> and parts of kde4 aren't yet.
[06:08] <holycow> it is, i use it at work
[06:09] <ectospasm> So, I expect KDE4 to be usable.  It's not for my purposes...
[06:09] <holycow> well you are free to do one of three things then:
[06:09] <holycow> a) ask for your money back
[06:09] <holycow> b) help fix it
[06:09] <holycow> c) go use wiindows
[06:09] <holycow> :)
[06:09] <Ashex> d) use another wm
[06:10] <holycow> its just that i find just as much to complain about on a mac as i do on windows
[06:10] <isaacj87> ectospasm: I tried out the 4.0.0 series awhile back...and it was difficult to use. The 4.1.x series is a breath of fresh air. KDE 4 is definitely getting better with each new release
[06:10] <holycow> kde4 is hardly unusuable by my way of thinking
[06:10] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: for a lot of people, it is
[06:11] <holycow> it just depends on the expectations you are applying to the de, fo ryou, indeed it may not be ready
[06:11] <Daisuke_Ido> they released a product that barely qualified as a beta for a .0 release
[06:11] <ectospasm> isaacj87: do you know how I can customize the panel?  Like even change its position from the bottom to the top?  I tried, and met with utter failure earlier today
[06:11] <holycow> and thats okay
[06:11] <holycow> they are free not to use it
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: A lot?
[06:11] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm applying an expectation that they should release it when it's ready, not months before
[06:11] <Daisuke_Ido> that's not a terribly out-of-line expectation
[06:11] <ectospasm> holycow: to be the frontend to an entire distro though, before it's really ready...
[06:11] <holycow> well then
[06:11] <holycow> you are going to be disapoitned
[06:12] <isaacj87> ectospasm: yeah, simple make sure it's unlocked...then drag it up to the top
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, i want a product with features, and not just flash
[06:12] <holycow> i hardly think that someone doing this out of love and on their own time should give a crap about what you expect :)
[06:12] <isaacj87> ectospasm: simply*
[06:12] <DaSkreech> ectospasm: Drag it to the top
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> so i use gnome
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: That's rich :)
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: software doesn't get better with user feedback?
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> DaSkreech: it's more full featured than kde4 at this point
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: how so?
[06:12] <holycow> ectospasm: that sounds remarkeably like people buying an EMACHINE and complaining why ubuntu cant install on it
[06:12] <isaacj87> ectospasm: the panel is pretty flexible now, you can resize it horizontally, vertically, and stick it anywhere!
[06:12] <holycow> when its their responsibility to do their research before hand
[06:12] <brandon_> Hey all!
[06:13] <isaacj87> brandon_: hey!
[06:13] <ectospasm> isaacj87: it's not working for me
[06:13] <holycow> you didn't do your research, cest la vie, find something that works for you
[06:13] <holycow> no ones forcing you to use it
[06:13] <ectospasm> holycow: so you're telling me to go somewhere else?  That's pathetic
[06:13] <holycow> no, i'm telling you to grow up
[06:13] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: it's still a computer, certain things are expected to work - you're an apologist for kde4's unfinished state, and if you want to back it, that's awesome, but don't put others down for not liking the state of the software.
[06:13] <holycow> and stop acting like a bitch when people won't spend their free time to please you
[06:14] <ectospasm> isaacj87: click and drag it?  How do I unlock it?  I only seem able to unlock the widgets...
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: PLus Gnome is at release 24 KDE4 is at release 2
[06:14] <isaacj87> ectospasm: yeah, unlock the widgets
[06:14] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido: like i said, you are welcome to help out
[06:14] <holycow> its like voting
[06:14] <holycow> you don't vote you don't have anything to complain about
[06:14] <holycow> unless of course its th einternet
[06:14] <isaacj87> ectospasm: you're on Kubuntu 8.10 right?
[06:14] <holycow> then of course any psychophant can use it as an excuse to unload
[06:14] <Daisuke_Ido> i help out in the ways that i can, so i'll feel free to complain, thank you very much.
[06:14] <holycow> awesome :)
[06:15] <ectospasm> isaacj87: widgets are unlocked, but it still won't drag to the top.  If I edit settings, I can stretch it, but not move it to the top.
[06:15] <holycow> thats all that can be asked then
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: I'm asking for complaints and I'm not hearing any :(
[06:15] <ectospasm> isaacj87: indeed I am
[06:15] <brandon_> I have just installed Kubuntu 8.10 amd_64 and I have a nvidia geforce 6100 card. My problem is that every time I enable the driver, when I reboot I get nothing but a black screen instead of login screen. can anyone help?
[06:15] <Wicked> hello all. ive set up nfs between 2 ubuntu machines..i can get it to mount...but i cant write files to the share..says permission denied. any ideas?
[06:15] <ectospasm> Wicked: wrong permissions on the shares, probably
[06:16] <ectospasm> you'll probably need to have the passwd files on both machines match up.
[06:16] <isaacj87> ectospasm: oops! you're right actually. It was on OpenSUSE 11.1 Beta 3 that I had that ability
[06:16] <Daisuke_Ido> DaSkreech: amarok is a half-cobbled mess of crap, the default menu (and all alternatives, save the one they broight from 3) are horribly unintuitive, there's no precision in panel sizing, the apps are missing major features of their 3.x cousins, plasma is admittedly not finished
[06:16] <Daisuke_Ido> need i go on?
[06:16] <Wicked> ectospasm, i read somewhere that the uuids need to be the same...in check /etc/passwd and the uid is the same for both users on each machine
[06:16] <Wicked> and there mounted rw
[06:16] <isaacj87> ectospasm: they must of backported something from KDE trunk for 11.1 beta
[06:17] <Wicked> both users have a uid of 1000
[06:17] <isaacj87> ectospasm: wait! I just did it
[06:17] <ectospasm> what are the permissions on the shares?
[06:17] <ectospasm> isaacj87: how?
[06:17] <isaacj87> okay unlock the widgets...do panel settings
[06:18] <isaacj87> ectospasm: there's 3 discernable sections
[06:18] <Ashex> can anyone tell me how to get the quicklaunch back in kde4?
[06:18] <Daisuke_Ido> Ashex: you can't, it doesn't exist yet
[06:18] <Wicked> well on computer one the user is mike with uid of 1000 and can read/write to the shares locally. on computer2 the user is roob with udi of 1000 and it cant write to the remote shares.
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: Amarok hasn't been released so ..., Use the menu from 3 it's there, Sorry :) , I'd like a better list for that as well, I'm not sure plasma will ever be finished
[06:18] <Ashex> Aw damnit
[06:18] <isaacj87> ectospasm: grab the top part and drag up
[06:18] <ectospasm> isaacj87: sections?  Like the stretching sliders?
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Ashex: alt+F2 works a lot nicer now though
[06:19] <Daisuke_Ido> DaSkreech: like i said, i'm going to stick with gnome for the time being - i'll retry 4 around 4.2.1
[06:19] <Ashex> DaSkreech, it definently does look better
[06:19] <Ashex> still use Katapult though
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: Cool. Want to give me the missing features for apps?
[06:20] <Ashex> I just liked being able to click on the apps i wanted to launch
[06:20] <isaacj87> ectospasm: let me clarify, there's the panel, there's one section where you can adjust the horizontal length, and the top section that has the options "add widgets"
[06:20] <isaacj87> ectospasm: grab the top section and drag it up
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Oooh that' quicklaunch
[06:20] <isaacj87> ectospasm: did you get it?
[06:21] <Wicked> i figured it out. was a siple mistake
[06:21] <ectospasm> isaacj87: no... the "drag up" thing stretches the panel vertically, which is not useful.
[06:21] <isaacj87> ectospasm: grab it in the middle
[06:21] <ectospasm> I just had to kill X to get it fixed.
[06:21] <ectospasm> in the center part?  I'll try it
[06:22] <isaacj87> ectospasm: don't grab the very top, you'll see the cursor change
[06:22] <isaacj87> ectospasm: if you grab in the middle of the top section, it'll turn into a 4 way cursor like thing
[06:23] <brandon_> I have just installed Kubuntu 8.10 amd_64 and I have a nvidia geforce 6100 card. My problem is that every time I enable the driver, when I reboot I get nothing but a black screen instead of login screen. can anyone help?
[06:23] <isaacj87> brandon_: trying using the Qt version of Envy
[06:23] <Daisuke_Ido> the fact that this has to be explained in detail shows how unintuitive the new panels are :(
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: Agreed.
[06:23] <isaacj87> brandon_: that should aid you in the process of installing the latest Nvidia driver
[06:23] <ectospasm> isaacj87: I'm still not getting it.
[06:23] <dsmith_> 8.10 stable?
[06:23] <holycow> the new panels are awesome
[06:24] <holycow> its just people being used to the windows paradigm
[06:24] <DaSkreech> holycow: Doesn't stop them being unintuitive :)
[06:24] <brandon_> isaacj87 thanks I'll try
[06:24] <holycow> once people understand that a panel has a visual way to manage it its much nicer
[06:24] <Ashex> I have to say
[06:24] <Ashex> the new adept manager
[06:24] <holycow> i have a problem with the 'intuitive' idea
[06:24] <Ashex> completely blows
[06:24] <dsmith_> heh
[06:24] <holycow> it doesn't mean anything more than 'that which i'm already used to'
[06:24] <isaacj87> ectospasm: that's stange, I've moved it to the top, to the right, to the left...everywhere lol
[06:24] <ectospasm> isaacj87: I got it
[06:24] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: wrong, it means "easily decipherable without explanation"
[06:25] <holycow> no, it doesn't
[06:25] <Ashex> Now I have to learn what these retarded symbols mean to change the results
[06:25] <isaacj87> ectospasm: sweet!
[06:25] <ectospasm> I needed to click and drag in the middle of the panel editor popup
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: THough I understand when Gnome Just came out I felt the same way.
[06:25] <isaacj87> ectospasm: yeah, it isn't obvious how to do it unfortunately
[06:25] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido: what that means is 'i'm daisuke, i assume ALL HUMANS are of equal iq, of equal eq, all humans learn the same way, all humans hav the same culture'
[06:25] <holycow> and on and on
[06:25] <ectospasm> isaacj87: I'm not sure if I would have gotten that on my own, thanks.
[06:26] <holycow> what is intuitive to any subset of those variables (and others) is virtually guranteed to not be intuitive to another
[06:26] <isaacj87> ectospasm: anytime :)
[06:26] <holycow> to suggest that something is universally intuitive is to not understand humans very well
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> the fact that people are having problems resizing or moving a panel is proof that it is NOT intuitive on any level
[06:26] <isaacj87> brandon_: let me know if you have any trouble
[06:26] <ectospasm> the only intuitive interface is the belly button
[06:26] <Ashex> Bah
[06:26] <Ashex> I want to punch the adept maintainer in the balls
[06:26] <holycow> no the fact you are having a problem understanding complexity simply means you haveto go back to school and study a bit more
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Ashex: PLease don't
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Ashex: He worked his ass of to get it in to Ibex for us
[06:27] <holycow> cognition is not a one dimensional topic of discussion easily disseminated over irc
[06:27] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, my dear friend ad hominem
[06:27] <Ashex> DaSkreech, the kde4 version doesn't make sense :(
[06:27] <Ashex> it's all icons, and there's no button to apply changes
[06:27] <holycow> Ashex: post a bug :)
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Ashex: It's very much a work in progress As I said he worked his ass off to make it work at all in time for Ibex
[06:27] <Ashex> yeaah
[06:27] <Ashex> yeah*
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Ashex: There is a changes button
[06:27] <Ashex> I'm just briping
[06:28] <Ashex> griping*
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Go there then click apply
[06:28]  * ectospasm refuses to look at the history
[06:28] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: you might want to refine your arguments.  i call something unintuitive (as evidenced by examples of people having problems with what should be obvious tasks), and you call me stupid, love it.
[06:28] <ectospasm> did anyone answer Ashex's question about a quicklauncher for KDE4?
[06:28] <holycow> the argument is refined beyond your ability to comprehend unfortunately
[06:28] <Daisuke_Ido> ectospasm: yep, it doesn't exist
[06:28] <holycow> your argument is that intuitive is a variable of 1
[06:28] <Ashex> DaSkreech, adept manager? There's no apply button
[06:28] <DaSkreech> ectospasm: no quicklaunch panelby default
[06:28] <holycow> my argument is that intuitive is a variable of many
[06:28] <ectospasm> Daisuke_Ido: so how do I add a custom icon to the panel?  Does that feature not exist, as well?
[06:28] <holycow> anyone that has studied cognition will know the latter is true and the former is not
[06:28] <Daisuke_Ido> your original argument was that intuitive didn't exist
[06:29] <holycow> *sigh*
[06:29] <holycow> okay i'll stop, this is pointless
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: Absolute intution
[06:29] <Ashex> I'm going to be opening 2 reports for adept manger
[06:29] <Ashex> 1 bug report, and 1 wishlist
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Ashex: Be descriptive
[06:29] <Ashex> DaSkreech, I'm going to do fancy screenshots
[06:29] <DaSkreech> ^_^
[06:30] <holycow> Ashex: one thing about projects like kde is that people are often surprised how few devs are actually working on some of these projects
[06:30] <Ashex> I just wish I could install the kde3 adept manager again
[06:30] <holycow> often there is the impression that it is is a giant effort by a team when it often is just one person hammering out code after work between beers
[06:30] <holycow> :)
[06:30] <Ashex> holycow, I've reading up on the development for it, so I've seen how nasty it is on some parts
[06:31] <Ashex> i've been*
[06:31] <holycow> yeah *nod*
[06:31] <ectospasm> holycow: depends on the open source project, really
[06:31] <ectospasm> Do we eschew the CLI here?
[06:31] <holycow> *nod*
[06:32] <DaSkreech> holycow: Like 3 people on Koffice
[06:32] <holycow> 3?
[06:32] <holycow> wow
[06:32] <ectospasm> is that 3 Ubuntu people, or 3 total?
[06:32] <DaSkreech> total
[06:33] <DaSkreech> no one from Ubuntu works on Kofice
[06:33] <DaSkreech>  They barely have anyone working on KDE
[06:33] <fulat2k> more doesn't mean better :D
[06:33] <dsmith_> whats the point of koffice?
[06:33] <ectospasm> fulat2k: no, but it does usually mean more funding
[06:33] <Daisuke_Ido> fulat2k: doesn't mean worse, either, nice of you to confuse things
[06:33] <DaSkreech> validation of ODF
[06:34] <dsmith_> validation?
[06:34] <isaacj87> dsmith_: fully intergrated office suite i guess?
[06:34] <dsmith_> I have never used it
[06:34] <dsmith_> rather pointless
[06:34] <DaSkreech> If you want a non KDE reason for it to exist
[06:34] <fulat2k> Daisuke_Ido: it might be if team dynamics aren't good in a large team.  i'm in one in my office which isn't too nice :(
[06:34] <DaSkreech> ?
[06:34] <DaSkreech> dsmith_: Just checking. SO any application you have never used has no point?
[06:34] <Ashex> you should see the difference of traffic in kubuntu-devel vs ubuntu-devel mailing lists
[06:34] <DaSkreech> yesitisjustme: no it's not
[06:34] <Daisuke_Ido> fulat2k: that's true, but without knowing the team in question, that's impossible to figure out
[06:34] <dsmith_> hahah, DaSkreech nah
[06:34] <dsmith_> I know other ppl must use it
[06:35] <Ashex> I've been on the kubuntu-devel list for over a year and it's pretty quiet compared ti ubuntu-devel
[06:35] <Ashex> to*
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Well yeah the size in teams is so disparate it's silly
[06:35] <yesitisjustme> :-D
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Annoying part is that really effective people on the Kubuntu team are constantly pushed towards working on Ubuntu instead
[06:36] <Daisuke_Ido> because ubuntu is first and foremost a gnome-based distro...  suse is probably stacked the other way
[06:36] <isaacj87> I've been using Ubuntu for 2 years now and I find Kubuntu to be quite refreshing :)
[06:36]  * DaSkreech rants
[06:36] <ectospasm> I've been using Kubuntu for close to a year now.  I like it a lot
[06:36] <dsmith_> i like kubuntu better
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Ashex: How come you are on the devel list?
[06:36] <holycow> oh kubuntu ... as in not kde  but kubuntu
[06:36] <holycow> hehe
[06:36] <Ashex> DaSkreech, I'm a tester
[06:37] <Ashex> I don't do any actually code contributions, I just hit it with a hammer until it breaks
[06:37] <fulat2k> Daisuke_Ido: true dat.
[06:37] <isaacj87> holycow: no, actually Kubuntu. OpenSUSE has nice KDE implentation, but (K)Ubuntu just works better :)
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Ashex: WElcome!! :)
[06:37] <ectospasm> My main gripe with GNOME is that they stripped so much configurability out in order to make the interface easier to use (no, editing gconf is NOT a viable option, I'd rather deal with the Windows registry, thanks!)
[06:37] <Ashex> hehe
[06:38] <ectospasm> ...so I switched to KDE on Ubuntu and then Kubuntu
[06:38] <Ashex> I'm kinda pissed I didn't have time to do a full test of Intrepid before release
[06:38] <fulat2k> ectospasm: is gnome still that way?  haven't used it in a long while
[06:38] <ectospasm> Ashex: I just plunged in
[06:38] <Daisuke_Ido> preferring the windows registry over gconf sounds pretty masochistic to me
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: Thanks
[06:38] <ectospasm> fulat2k: I don't know, I'm just saying that was my impression
[06:38] <Ashex> Normally I'll be working on things at least a month in advance
[06:38] <isaacj87> ectospasm: did you find a fresh install of Kubuntu is better than just tacking on KDE to Ubuntu, which oddly enough is essentially the same thing?
[06:38] <Ashex> I think Intrepid has introduced more issues then in other releases
[06:38] <DaSkreech> isaacj87: Cleaner menu :)
[06:39] <Ashex> mainly to blame is kde4
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Ashex: Post LTS
[06:39] <isaacj87> DaSkreech: definitely. :)
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Oh yeah KDE4
[06:39] <holycow> heh, i have konversation fullscreen wtih ff doing a live stream minimized.  its wicked having real time preview of the window when  you mouse over it
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Yeah that would do it as well
[06:39] <Ashex> yeah
[06:39] <Ashex> I have a nice gripe list I use to keep track of bugs
[06:39] <DaSkreech> 4.2 should be in general livable
[06:39] <holycow> its those little things you get from a well thought out framework that you get for free that you dont get from other de's ... using kde is just a pleasure
[06:40] <ectospasm> isaacj87: I found using Kubuntu better simply because it was less complicated, but not much less:  essentially all you have to do from Ubuntu is "aptitude -y install kubuntu-desktop" and you're done (-;
[06:40] <Ashex> right now I'm trying to think of a good description for the adept manager wishlist report
[06:40] <Ashex> all I have right now is "Adept Manager interface makes no sense"
[06:40] <DaSkreech> what's the wish ?
[06:40] <Ashex> a bunch of suggestions on making the manager more useable
[06:41] <ectospasm> Ashex: maybe you should phrase it like "Adept Manager should a)... b)... and c)....
[06:41] <ectospasm> "
[06:41] <DaSkreech> How about streamline Adept interface ?
[06:41] <Ashex> whomever the maintainer is, they're trying to make it synaptic
[06:41] <Ashex> ectospasm, I meant the title, the description is fine for the most part
[06:41] <DaSkreech> I just want Debtags
[06:42] <ectospasm> Why not call it "Feature Requests" << Ashex
[06:42] <DaSkreech> If adept has debtags working then I don't care I'll suffer it
[06:42] <Ashex> ectospasm, ah, that's the one I was thinking of
[06:42] <Ashex> heh
[06:42] <Ashex> I'm just going with "Adept Manager is difficult to use in KDE4"
[06:42]  * ectospasm doesn't know (or care)... he uses aptitude
[06:43] <stdin> Ashex: that's not a good title, say *why* it is
[06:44] <Ashex> stdin, there's so many :(
[06:44] <stdin> maybe add "[Usability]" somewhere in there
[06:44] <Daisuke_Ido> saying they're trying to make adept into synaptic shows an absolute unfamilarity with synaptic
[06:44] <stdin> "[Usability] Adept has a difficult UI", then expand in the description
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Ashex: Listen to stdin
[06:44] <Ashex> yeah
[06:45] <Ashex> DaSkreech, stdin is the freakin' guru, of course I'm going to :P
[06:45] <Ashex> yeah, I'll go with that
[06:45]  * DaSkreech makes up shirts
[06:45] <stdin> we know Adept is not perfect, and we don't pretend to think it is :)
[06:45] <Ashex> [Usability] Adept Manager should have text labels for icons
[06:45] <DaSkreech> stdin The Guru of Freak!!
[06:45] <ectospasm> Is adding and removing widgets from the panel broken, or am I just stupid?
[06:45] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: And adept
[06:45] <ectospasm> ...in KDE4
[06:45] <holycow> i think maybe its time to write a new package
[06:45] <holycow> a kde helper package
[06:46] <DaSkreech> holycow: IT's a plasmoid called the welcome plasmoid
[06:46] <holycow> one that lets your right click on an app and get direct linkage to the bug tracker and perhaps a todo list
[06:46] <DaSkreech>  been in SVN since before 4.0
[06:46] <holycow> so that users can stop complaining and just look up what is going on and where the app is going
[06:46] <DaSkreech> oooh that would be a neat plasmoid
[06:46] <holycow> lol DaSkreech lookin for it
[06:46] <holycow> DaSkreech: i'm not kiddin either, i'm really thinkin abou tit
[06:47] <holycow> maybe its time to learn how to do plasmoids
[06:47] <Daisuke_Ido> since when is a user coming here to ask for assistance "complaining"
[06:47] <Daisuke_Ido> this is a support channel
[06:48] <stdin> KDE apps usually have Help -> Report Bug, but that currently links the to KDE bugtracker
[06:48] <DaSkreech> stdin: and doesn't track
[06:48] <DaSkreech> having it track is valuable I think
[06:48] <ectospasm> OK, got it to work
[06:48] <ectospasm> ...although I'm not sure entirely how
[06:49] <DaSkreech> having it track multiple people visually would be neat and enhance community :)
[06:49] <DaSkreech> ectospasm: Lock it quick and run!
[06:49] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido: i didn't mean it that way
[06:50] <ectospasm> Ah... when you lock one panel, you lock them all!
[06:50] <DaSkreech> ectospasm: Hmm never considered if that's by design
[06:52] <Ashex> bah
[06:52] <Ashex> anyone still using kde3?
[06:52] <holycow> not me, i don't use gnome any more either
[06:53]  * DaSkreech uses E
[06:56] <Ashex> well, nuts
[06:56] <DaSkreech> cashew?
[06:56] <Ashex> I'll have to setup hardy in a vm to finish this report
[06:57] <Ashex> eh, I'll take care of it later
[06:57] <Ashex> bed time anyways
[06:57] <DaSkreech> night
[07:01] <dsmith_> well kubuntu kde4 still does what it did earlier
[07:01] <dsmith_> when I set the correct resolution for my monitor the fonts get big
[07:01] <ectospasm> should we file bugs with Kubuntu or upstream?
[07:02] <dsmith_> oh and now I get a big fat whitescreen
[07:03] <Ashex> ectospasm, file with kubuntu and it will get sent upstream
[07:04] <dsmith_> rebooted it and its working now
[07:04] <dsmith_> weird
[07:04] <ectospasm> Ashex: link
[07:04] <ectospasm> ?
[07:06] <Ashex> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug ?
[07:07] <Ashex> anywho, bed time
[07:08] <Ash-Fox> Hello, how do I reduce the the CPU usage of xorg in, intrepid? It's currently stuck around 8-18% CPU when running. I've disabled visual effects in KDE, which has helped a lot. But not enough as I'm trying to get a similar footprint that is in hardy?
[07:10] <Ash-Fox> It's even shooting up to 40% occasionally, this is really annoying.
[07:16] <dsmith_> how do I install firefox and a host of other programs? I cannot find them *to* install
[07:17] <Dragonath> dsmith_: have you tried the adept package manager?
[07:17] <dsmith_> I think I looked there already
[07:17] <dsmith_> you mean adept installer?
[07:18] <Dragonath> dsmith_: my adept manager is in the kmenu under system
[07:18] <Dragonath> I don't know if it's name has changed
[07:19] <Dragonath> if you type firefox into it doesn't it give you a list of packages to install?
[07:19] <dsmith_> bunch of addons
[07:20] <dsmith_> I think I found it
[07:20] <dsmith_> wow wait a pain
[07:20] <Dragonath> there isn't a package called firefox-3.0?
[07:20] <Dragonath> that should be it
[07:20] <dsmith_> yea
[07:20] <dsmith_> too hard to find
[07:20] <dsmith_> should come as default
[07:20] <Ash-Fox> Even 'firefox' would work.
[07:21] <dsmith_> there waws no image for it
[07:21] <dsmith_> question mark
[07:21] <dsmith_> majority of the software show all questions marks
[07:22] <Dragonath> you are using 8.10?
[07:22] <dsmith_> yes
[07:22] <dsmith_> install a bunch of gnome dependcies
[07:22] <dsmith_> hmmmmmmm
[07:23] <Dragonath> kubuntu 8.10?
[07:23] <dsmith_> no when installing firefox
[07:23] <dsmith_> and it takes me to the ubuntu page
[07:23] <dsmith_> hehe
[07:24] <Dragonath> yeah, but if you are using kubuntu 8.10 you shouldn't need anything with gnome in it to install firefox
[07:24] <Dragonath> that's what I think anyways
[07:25] <dsmith_> no, install firefox 3, pulled in a bunch of gnome dep.
[07:25] <dsmith_> I watched it
[07:25] <stdin> dsmith_: if you see icons, you're in "Add/Remove Software" not Adept Manager
[07:27] <stdin> to get firefox without the gnome stuff you need "sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install firefox"
[07:27] <stdin> because apt defaults to install recommended packages
[07:28] <dsmith_> thanks
[07:28] <dsmith_> now to find a suitable window manager theme
[07:44] <Deepthought> what is the command for finding version-number of my kde ?
[07:47] <dsmith_> ok got a new wm
[07:47] <dsmith_> how does one rearrange multiple icons?
[07:51] <bibek> hi about apt-get update
[07:51] <bibek> say i do it in one computer
[07:51] <bibek> how do i copy the downloaded meta data in another computer?
[07:51] <bibek> so that when i do sudo apt-get update in another computer, i dont have to download all of them
[07:52] <bibek> any thoughts?
[07:52] <_2> bibek scp root@host:/var/cache/apt/archives/* root@host2:/var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:53] <bibek> _2 that would copy only .deb files
[07:53] <bibek> i meant the metadata thats downloaded when we do sudo apt-get update
[07:54] <_2> bibek scp root@host:/var/cache/apt/* root@host2:/var/cache/apt/
[07:54] <_2> bibek sorry, scp root@host:/var/lib/apt/* root@host2:/var/lib/apt/
[07:57] <bibek> _2 thanks will give it a try
[07:58] <dsmith_> welll..kde4 has come along
[07:58] <dsmith_> I'll wait 6 months
[07:58] <dsmith_> maybe longer
[07:58] <rafi> hello
[07:59] <rafi> what the french kubuntu irc
[07:59] <rien-ne-va-plus> !fr
[07:59] <rafi> thx
[07:59] <dsmith_> merci
[08:00] <dsmith_> !en
[08:01] <rien-ne-va-plus> !in
[08:03] <dig> Just wonder anyone install more than 1 language in his/her linux box.
[08:03] <vasilisa> anyone know why the new version of gwenview has no tool bar, no settings, and no rename option?
[08:08] <_2> dig it might be more productive to just ask the second question "how do you switch beteww them"
[08:09] <dig> _2, yes I guess. I have problem that 2 languages mixing up.
[08:10] <dig> That happens in pidgins, compiled errors, etc
[08:10] <_2> dig try command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales
[08:13] <dig> -2, what is -plow
[08:14] <_2> man dpkg
[08:16] <kuil> morning all
[08:16] <_2> basicly it's the oppisite of -phigh   -p priority  but man dpkg   will explain it all
[08:17] <kuil> anybody else here is having problems with 'blinking external monitor' after installing 8.10? I had no problems with 8.04
[08:18] <kuil> my external monitor keeps turning on and off every 5 seconds or so
[08:20] <dig> No joy, thx _2 though
[08:21] <_2> dig one other thought.  you might need an i18 for the mozilla suite   not sure about it though.
[08:21] <_2> dig, every thing else is ok ?
[08:21] <dig> Everything is fine.
[08:22] <_2> well, i'd look for language packs for the app then.
[08:26] <vasilisa> Someone please help me... im on intrepid here... and gwenview 2.1 has NO renaming ability. Configure shortcuts  didnt even list an option for one
[08:26] <vasilisa> and the program has no menu bar at all
[08:26] <vasilisa> surely they didnt decide to get rid of the ability to rename a file...
[08:26] <HollowPoint> And there's why I haven't upgraded from Hardy yet
[08:27] <vasilisa> i regret it. keyboard shortcuts dont work either
[08:27] <vasilisa> at all
[08:27] <HollowPoint> nah it'll be a silly oversight at a guess or it's just in some weird location in KDE4 version of Grenview, Is it just Jpgs your using it for or PDFs?
[08:28] <vasilisa> just image files, not pdfs
[08:28] <vasilisa> i dunno how it could be in a weird location since there IS no location. they got rid of the menu entirely
[08:28] <HollowPoint> ah ok, you mean there are no menus at all
[08:28] <HollowPoint> ?
[08:29] <HollowPoint> that seems rather bizzare
[08:29] <HollowPoint> well I don't even have Gwenview installed because I use gimp for JPGs and Adobe Reader for PDFs
[08:29] <vasilisa> yep. you right click at the top and say "configure toolbars" and add them in similar to widgits
[08:29] <HollowPoint> so I can't help look for shortcuts sorry
[08:29] <vasilisa> >.<
[08:30] <vasilisa> its extremely weird. i may remove it and get the old version off the site. it worked really well
[08:31]  * _2 wonders what gwenview is/does ...
[08:31] <vasilisa> image browser
[08:31] <HollowPoint> lol _2 it's a file viewer
[08:31] <vasilisa> the best file view imo
[08:31] <vasilisa> or it was
[08:31] <_2> mm k
[08:32] <vasilisa> this one doesnt even have plugins, no batch renames, no dupe detection
[08:32] <HollowPoint> I'm thinking about dumping Kubuntu now tbh, Mandriva 2009.0 uses KDE4.1 and it's really good, Kubuntu 8.10 I've run in a VM and tbh, it just blows
[08:32] <vasilisa> how can i sort my... er, family photos with something like that
[08:32] <dig> vasilisa, stupid question, using 2.1.2?
[08:33] <vasilisa> dig: yes.
[08:33] <vasilisa> dig: thats what came in the repos. *getting ready to nuke it*
[08:34] <vasilisa> haha die
[08:34] <_2> pah-hamily pah-ohtos you say    ;/
[08:35] <vasilisa> why do the pictures on the gwenview website show a tool bar?
[08:35] <vasilisa> this better not be me pressing a stupid new kde4 shortcut that removes title bars or something
[08:36] <_2> alt+m
[08:36] <vasilisa> alt+m? whats that
[08:36] <dig> possible?
[08:36] <vasilisa> oh snap, hang on
[08:37] <_2> vasilisa it used to be "show/hide menu"  in many apps.
[08:37] <vasilisa> hmm
[08:37] <larsivi> when trying to use ssl enabled jabber with kopete, I get that the QCA TLS thingy probably is missing
[08:37] <dig> I find that I can hide the main toolbar.
[08:37] <vasilisa> ...
[08:37] <dig> by right click on the top.
[08:37] <vasilisa> *sigh*
[08:38] <vasilisa> ok it worked
[08:38] <vasilisa> but
[08:38] <vasilisa> there's still no "rename" under the file or edit option
[08:39] <_2> well if it werent kde4 i would quote the ole "this is kde, right click everything.  configure configure coufigure!"
[08:40] <vasilisa> yeah i know
[08:40] <_2> but that doesn't really apply to kde4
[08:40] <vasilisa> maybe they'll fix it
[08:40] <vasilisa> i feel like im using vista though
[08:40] <_2> probably,   just before they abandon it.
[08:40] <_2> heh.  that bad ?
[08:41] <vasilisa> yeah that bad
[08:41] <vasilisa> i had to turn off the graphical effect s because it was bloated
[08:42] <vasilisa> oh
[08:42] <_2> even in kde3 when the first time wizard would run i would always slide the affects selector all the way to none.
[08:42] <vasilisa> it looks like gwenview 2.1.2 is not stable
[08:42] <vasilisa> >.<
[08:43] <HollowPoint> I don't like KDE4.1 but I can't bring myself to use Gnome so I'm stuck with 3.5.9, like I said before I like Mandriva 2009.0's version of KDE4.1 but haven't used it extensively enough to know if I could live with it
[08:43] <larsivi> I find that Xorg uses a lot of CPU and memory now (with intrepid), the kde4 apps aren't too bad, although kwin uses about half of Xorg
[08:44] <vasilisa> crap, now its going to tell me to upgrade gwenview every day
[08:44] <_2> HollowPoint you're not "stuck with 3.5.9"  there are all kinds of alternatives.   xfce4 fluxbox twm ....
[08:45] <HollowPoint> xfce isn't a real option tbh imho, flucbox and twm are just not full enough for me, see I like a LITTLE bloat, I just don't like a LOT lol
[08:45] <HollowPoint> LXDE is my favorite 2nd place desktop to KDE but I still prefer KDE
[08:45] <_2> HollowPoint like i said  `you're not "stuck with..."'   it's a choice.
[08:46] <HollowPoint> yeah ok granted it's a choice, but kinda frustrating that it's a choice because I don't like my other choices
[08:46] <go_beep_yourself> how do i get kcontrol for kde3.5 apps in ubuntu 8.10???
[08:46] <_2> understood.
[08:46] <vasilisa> there
[08:46] <HollowPoint> I'm actually thinking more about going Lenny than anything else
[08:47] <vasilisa> i wish you could say "i dont want to make that update ever" and be left alone
[08:47] <HollowPoint> you can
[08:47] <vasilisa> how?
[08:47] <_2> HollowPoint i haven't kept up.  is lenny now clasified "stable"  or is it still "testing" ?
[08:47] <HollowPoint> you can configure synaptic for different types of updates etc
[08:47] <vasilisa> hmm
[08:48] <Ragol> hi, I just installed kubuntu 8.10 for my thinkcentre (lenovo desktop-computer) and can get only 1280x1024 out of DVI
[08:48] <Ragol> any ideas where to starts looking for the problem?
[08:48] <Ragol> GUI doesn't allow any bigger resolutions...
[08:49] <HollowPoint> nah still testing, but I reviewed it the other week http://inform.symsysit.com/2008/10/lenny-set-to-take-the-it-world-by-storm/ and really enjoyed the experience, still uses KDE3.5.9 as well
[08:49] <HollowPoint> xorg.conf Ragol
[08:50] <HollowPoint> excuse our site speed by the way, it's just all of a sudden in the last half hour gone mega slow, must be doing a batch backup at the planet or something
[08:51] <_2> HollowPoint nice.   4.0 is etch, right?   i have that.   it reminds me a lot of ubuntu dapper.
[08:51] <Ragol> okay, found some forum postings that said that for some reason that hadn't helped them this time, but maybe I just need to test it
[08:52] <HollowPoint> 4.0 is Etch, which I also reviewed on that site, 5.0 is Lenny, which is overdue for being stable but it's REALLY close, installer kicks ass and it seems pretty stable to me but Debian are always pretty metticulous sp?
[08:52] <HollowPoint> Ragol I think you'll need to change your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to get a higher resolution, I had to on my test install of 8.10
[08:52] <momal> "pci 0000:00:1a.7: EHCI: BIOS handoff failed (BIOS bug?)" I have a toshiba satellite a300 Ubuntu 8.10 AMD64. It seems to add at least 15 seconds to boot time. It seems the device is USB2  Doesn't seem to be anything in my BIOS to disable USB only USB legacy but that didnt' work.
[08:52] <vasilisa> i cant get synaptic to stop thinking i should update gwenview
[08:53] <Ragol> HollowPoint: yeah, but that's sad... I mean, I've been using (K)ubuntu since 4.10 or something, and I don't mind to get my hands dirty with text configs, but for an average user this is not a good thing
[08:54] <_2> and for all the aptitude fanboys around,  aptitude could not remove eximd "i think it is. the mail service"   kept looping and reinstalling it.     but apt had no problem with it.    heh.  more is not always better.
[08:54] <ubuntu_sucks_dic> HollowPoint have you ever tried icewm? read up on icewm + rox
[08:54] <ubuntu_sucks_dic> i prefer icewm+nautilus+synaptic+rox+lm-sensors+k3b
[08:55] <HollowPoint> agree completely Ragol but it's the way it is most of the time, Xorg doesn't seem to like anything more than that res by default, I think 8.10 has Xrandr installed by default though so maybe try that?
[08:55] <HollowPoint> ubuntu_sucks_dic: I took icewm for a spin shortly, but just didn't have enough bloat for me, I like a little bit of eye candy, just not as much as KDE4.1 uses
[08:56] <_2> Ragol i tend to disagree.  linux has always had things you had to edit by hand,  and any "avarage" linux user should be able to do that.
[08:56] <HollowPoint> also, am not a fan of nautilus at all
[08:57] <Ragol> _2: yeah, but ubuntu is targeted to be an easy to use out-of-the-box version
[08:57] <Ragol> at least it has that kind of an image
[08:57] <JohnFlux2> ragol: HollowPoint: to change resolution?   press alt+f2  and type 'krandrtray'.  Then you get thing in your monitor to change resolution
[08:57] <JohnFlux2> uh, a little monitor icon in the systray
[08:57] <_2> the thing that really gets under my skin is, when they try so hard to make something "just work" that it can't be fixed.   "think M$ vesta"
[08:57] <HollowPoint> tbh Ragol, I find Mandriva better for new users than Ubuntu, it's just once you get further than a new user that it gets abit annoying
[08:58] <Kernel> !smaba
[08:58] <Kernel> !samba
[08:58] <Ragol> JohnFlux2: well... the problem is that the maximum resolution that program allows is a little too small... :)
[08:58] <HollowPoint> JohnFlux2: yeah I just suggested using XRandR but I still doubt it'll configure to the res Ragol wants without some tweaking in the CLi
[08:59] <JohnFlux2> yeah it'll need tweaking.  it means that the video card or the monitor are reporting that they can't go higher
[08:59] <JohnFlux2> or no accelerated driver  or something
[08:59] <ubuntu_sucks_dic> HollowPoint sure, xfce?
[08:59] <Ragol> yeah, I also thought that it may be some error in that part
[08:59]  * _2 votes for "or something"
[09:00] <HollowPoint> JohnFlux2: I wish that were true, but it isn't, I use two 19@ monitors on an Nvidia card, if I don't install nvidia drivers it bugs out to shit, if I do install Nvidia drivers I have to edit by the CLi to get the res to a point where I can use Nvidia settings
[09:00] <HollowPoint> 19", damn kiwi/american keyboards, I want my UK Keyboard back :(
[09:01] <viriimind> umm...is it possible to install Adobe Photoshop cs3 Extended on Kubuntu 8.01?
[09:01] <Ragol> mm... where can I find most easily with versions of nvidia drivers I need for my card?
[09:01] <HollowPoint> Kubuntu should be able to install it by going into the control center Ragol and choosing restricted drivers
[09:02] <HollowPoint> viriimind: to my knowledge the only way to install CS3 ANYTHING is to have a working Windows installation and copy all files and registry entries accross, CS2 however does now install in Wine
[09:02] <_2> !ati | Ragol
[09:02] <_2> page might help
[09:02] <HollowPoint> or at least Photoshop and Illustrator etc do
[09:03] <_2> did they get the nvidia bug fixed in intrepid ?
[09:03] <favro> viriimind: you can check if it is supported in wine
[09:03] <HollowPoint> sorry photoshop and Dreamweaver, Illustrator needs tweaking after install
[09:03] <favro> !appdb | viriimind
[09:03] <viriimind> ok.. thanks a lot
[09:04] <_2> is the nv bug fixed in increpid ibex
[09:04] <HollowPoint> Photoshop and Dreamweaver CS2* both have platinum ratings in Wine now I believe, and to get illustrator to work you just have to delete a file in the wine folder for it to work if I remember rightly
[09:04] <kuil> my external monitor keeps turning on and off every 5 seconds or so since I upgraded (reinstalled) 8.10 .. anybody else experiencing this?
[09:04] <favro> _2: in the release notes for 8.10 it tells about the nvidia issue
[09:05] <_2> yes i was wondering if there was a fix yet
[09:05] <HollowPoint> it's not ubuntu/kubuntu that has an Nvidia problem anyway, it's Xorg
[09:05] <HollowPoint> and no I think they're still working on it _2
[09:05] <_2> k
[09:06] <Ragol> HollowPoint and _2, thanks for suggestions, I forgot totally that those need the restricted drivers...
[09:06] <_2> and btw. if a distro packages something that has issues it's the distros issue.
[09:07] <HollowPoint> _2 I agree with that on principle, and it annoyed me when Fedora 9 came out with a beta Xorg (Beta of this currently "ahem" stable version) and it wouldn't support Nvidia drivers
[09:07] <Ragol> but for some reason the hardware manager can't enable the nvidia drivers, it starts to downloading/installing and then just quits without any error msgs, not so nice :)
[09:07] <Ragol> but, I need to have lunch, and can play further a little later
[09:07] <HollowPoint> yeah I think that's what we're talking about here Ragol, Xorg current version has issues with Nvidia proprietary drivers
[09:08] <Ragol> *sigh*
[09:08]  * HollowPoint seconds that emotion
[09:08] <Ragol> is ati at least somehow better?
[09:09] <Ragol> I mean, do I just put ati card in order
[09:09] <HollowPoint> I believe the ATi drivers work with it, but I would never consider ATi to be BETTER than Nvidia and certainly NEVER on Linux lol
[09:09] <Ragol> it's nice to be a system administrator with rights to order stuff ;)
[09:09] <Ragol> yeah, me neither
[09:09] <_2> Ragol ati is not open either,   well not yet.
[09:09] <Ragol> but if it works, it's better at the moment ;)
[09:09] <Ragol> even though it would not be that in general
[09:09] <_2> atm i guess
[09:10] <HollowPoint> I thought it was just Nvidia proprietary drivers that weren't working, are they having ATi issues as well?
[09:11] <favro> try http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810
[09:11] <target> hi!
[09:11] <_2> it's like the question "where do you want to sit, the fire or the frying pan?"    my answer is "neither.  give me the 'lazy-boy, and an ice tea'"
[09:11] <HollowPoint> hi target
[09:11] <Exilant> is there a newsticker applet somewhere in the repositories?
[09:12] <_2> Exilant   apt-cache search $search_string | less
[09:12] <HollowPoint> does knewsticker still exist?
[09:13] <_2> in your case  apt-cache search newsticker | less
[09:13] <target> i've a problem with my version upgrade.... Unable to get exclusive lock. think my adept crash at the first time, how can i close it well?
[09:13] <_2> or even better.  apt-cache search ticker | less
[09:13] <HollowPoint> yeah the apt exclusive lock problem has returned with avengence in 8.10 it seems
[09:13] <benjamin> is there a GUI laying around for changing mount points?
[09:14] <_2> !adeptcrashfix | target
[09:14] <target> ok thanks i'll try!
[09:14] <HollowPoint> sudo dpkg --configure -a sometimes works in the command line target
[09:15] <HollowPoint> benjamin, which version of kubuntu are you using?
[09:15] <Exilant> ah, thanks a lot, was searching for plasmoid only
[09:15] <benjamin> HollowPoint: 8.10
[09:16] <larsivi> for some reason, firefox is the default browser when clicking links, how do I properly set it back to Konqueror?
[09:16] <HollowPoint> then I have no idea mate, there was in 8.04, just in the control center, it may still work in KDE4.1 I don't know?
[09:17] <benjamin> where was it in 8.04? i never found it when i was still running that...
[09:17] <target> doesn't work... can a restart help
[09:17] <jussi01> larsivi: system settings - default programs
[09:17] <_2> target you ran "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a "  ???
[09:18] <target> yes
[09:18] <_2> errors ?
[09:18] <larsivi> jussi01: yes, but what should I put there? just the konqueror binary name doesn't work
[09:18] <target> no
[09:18] <larsivi> and why isn't konqueror already default?
[09:18] <HollowPoint> in 8.04 it's in System Settings > Advanced > Disk & Filesystems, yet it seems to have stopped working in my 8.04 I've just tried it and it's complaining about the last KDE update
[09:18] <_2> target then what do you mean "doesn't work" ?
[09:19] <jussi01> larsivi: un an appliaction based on the contents of the url
[09:19] <jussi01> that should do it..
[09:19] <studente_> ggg
[09:19] <larsivi> jussi01: that opens firefox for me
[09:19] <jussi01> larsivi: o.0
[09:19] <_2> target you are root jr. are you not?     to test: sudo boo
[09:20] <larsivi> jussi01: I mean, if that one is checked, I get firefox
[09:20] <studente_> ciao fini
[09:20] <studente> ciao
[09:20] <target> i still have the same pb
[09:20] <target> sudo boo command not found
[09:20] <studente_> tutto a posto
[09:20] <studente> sid
[09:20] <jussi01> larsivi: that _shoult_ give konqui, I have no idea then...
[09:20] <jussi01> !it
[09:21] <_2> jussi01 that's clones.
[09:21] <jussi01> _2: just noticed...
[09:21] <HollowPoint> sorry benjamin I can't even check any further for you, since I install Virtualbox drivers in my 8.10 VM it won't display anything on screen, including the console
[09:21] <target> i enter sudo adept_manager --dist-upgrade than dist upgrade on the adept window
[09:21] <benjamin> fun
[09:21] <target> but the terminal than told unable to get exclusive lock
[09:22] <HollowPoint> target have you checked in top that apt, adept and synaptic are not running?
[09:23] <larsivi> jussi01: ah, it works now after setting it back - thanks :)
[09:23] <_2> target well first thing that catches the eye.  don't use sudo for graphical apps.    second why are you having to select something that you have specified on the command line?
[09:23] <target> hum, how can i check it?
[09:24] <target> because the command line open adept
[09:24] <HollowPoint> you type "top" without the "" in the command line, that brings up a program much like task manager in windows, in the console window, then you look at the processes to see if you can spot adept, apt, synaptic etc
[09:25] <target> ok i check
[09:25] <MinusSeven> does kubuntu have a web forum?
[09:26] <HollowPoint> kubuntuforums.com
[09:26] <target> nothing like that, just a strange migration/0
[09:26] <HollowPoint> you tried sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[09:26] <MinusSeven> ok thanks
[09:26] <target> yes
[09:26] <HollowPoint> np MinusSeven
[09:27] <target> i tried the 3 commands
[09:27] <HollowPoint> you haven't got the graphical adept open at the same time as using the command line have you?
[09:27] <_2> ps -A x | grep -iE 'a.*p.*t'
[09:27] <_2> sorry for the regex.   i'll keep that to a minimal
[09:27] <HollowPoint> lol
[09:29] <target> here http://paste.ubuntu.com/66667/
[09:29] <_2> HollowPoint <_2> target you ran "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a "  ??? <target> yes
[09:29] <target> maybe it's because of uid 1000 instead of 0 thing....
[09:29] <_2> target only if you are not root jr.
[09:30] <_2> target like i said does    sudo echo boo     boo at you?
[09:30] <kop_regr> hi. kopete user here. i'm looking for any idea on how to debug a regression since i upgraded to Intrepid: my webcam is not working anymore
[09:30] <target> yes it rply boo
[09:31] <_2> target then sudo is working.
[09:31] <benjamin> how do i delete an unused mountpoint?
[09:31] <larsivi> next question - ctrl+f doesn't work in konqueror (it does in firefox)
[09:31] <target> ok
[09:31] <_2> benjamin   rm -r    or rmdir
[09:31] <_2> benjamin if root owns it   root will have to delete it
[09:32]  * _2 uses root in the generic sense there again...
[09:32] <_2> my normal users name is root and my superusers name isn't     so i'm trying to break that habbit.
[09:33] <target> well, i'll try a manual upgrade...
[09:33] <HollowPoint> I always enable root in my systems anyway, I prefer to su than remember to type sudo all the bloody time
[09:33] <benjamin> k, thanks
[09:35] <ubuntu_> bonjour
[09:35] <kop_regr> i'm using Yahoo and the webcam worked fine with KDE 3.5 on Hardy. now i can still see the webcam in Settings -> Configure -> Devices. But nothing happens when I send/receive a webcam
[09:35] <kop_regr> contact don't even receive an invitation
[09:36] <jussi01> !fr | ubuntu_
[09:36] <HollowPoint> or not
[09:36] <_2> :)
[09:37] <benjamin> does anyone know how to name a HD? I'm rather tired of my drives all showing up as "volume" for the name
[09:37] <HollowPoint> open dolphin, go to storage devices, right click and rename
[09:37] <_2> setting volume names ?     hmmm
[09:38] <_2> benjamin you could add fstab lines.
[09:38] <_2> HollowPoint does that set the fs lables ?
[09:38] <HollowPoint> yup
[09:39] <benjamin> how do i get to "storage devices"?
[09:39] <_2> well tune2fs -l <name> /dev/<device>  would then work on ext# fs's
[09:39] <HollowPoint> it's down the left hand side in dolphin
[09:40] <HollowPoint> sorry "storage media"
[09:40] <markand> hi
[09:40] <HollowPoint> don't use my gui much these days for navigating the FS lol
[09:40]  * _2 still thinks the only place for dolphin is in cans of tunna
[09:40] <benjamin> mine has "home", "network", "root", "trash", and then my drives (most of which are labeled "volume")
[09:41] <HollowPoint> yup, well where you see your drives, right click on the volume and rename
[09:41] <markand> how do I autoload a xmodmap file at the kde startup ?
[09:41] <HollowPoint> _2 I love dolphin for a file browser but I agree the name sucks
[09:41] <benjamin> the only options it shows when i right click are hide and unmount
[09:41] <HollowPoint> you definitely in Dolphin benjamin
[09:42] <_2> that sentance question
[09:42] <benjamin> that's what it says across the top
[09:42] <HollowPoint> yeah sorry _2 it's 11pm here and am nackered
[09:43] <HollowPoint> I've tried KDE4.1 and didn't notice that had been changed benjamin so that's strange
[09:43] <_2> not a problem.  just struck me funny.   :)
[09:44] <benjamin> i suppose i could try booting back to xp and change them there... it might be quickest that way
[09:44] <HollowPoint> seing as my 8.10 Kubuntu VM has blown it's gasket after installing Virtualbox drivers I'm just booting up my Mandriva 2009.0 VM which uses KDE4.1 and I'll check for you benjamin
[09:44] <benjamin> or that
[09:45] <_2> and benjamin it might be.
[09:45] <_2> caps in the url ????
[09:47] <HollowPoint> doesn't that just suck!
[09:47] <kop_regr> any chance anybody might be using Kopete+Yahoo+webcam here?
[09:47] <HollowPoint> dolphin in KDE4.1 doesn't seem to have the feature
[09:47] <benjamin> funzies
[09:47] <HollowPoint> sorry kop_regr I don't use Kopete, yahoo or a webcam
[09:47]  * _2 seconds the motivation
[09:47] <ilya> kop_regr: what do you think about qutIM?
[09:48] <HollowPoint> benjamin: where is it you're seeing your drives?
[09:48] <benjamin> xp it is then
[09:48] <kop_regr> ilya: one more IM client? i don't know this one yet :)
[09:48] <benjamin> along the left side of dolphin
[09:48] <benjamin>  "home", "network", "root", "trash", and then my drives (most of which are labeled "volume")
[09:49] <_2> might i sugggest kdesudo dolphen   and looking one time.
[09:49] <ilya> kop_regr: qip clone for linux :)
[09:49] <HollowPoint> hmmm, all I have is home, network, root and wastebin, don't get drives in Mandriva KDE4.1
[09:49] <_2> it could be that without permission you don't get the option.
[09:49] <HollowPoint> true
[09:50] <_2> suggest only has two g's unless it's a gnu sugggestion.
[09:50] <kop_regr> ilya: well... not being a Win user, I don't know qip either :-). Does qutIM support Yahoo+webcam?
[09:51] <HollowPoint> kop_regr: I believe Pidgin supports yahoo and webcam
[09:51] <ilya> kop_regr: i think no :(
[09:52] <kop_regr> HollowPoint: pidgin + webcam ? 5 years i've been hoping for that one :)
[09:52] <HollowPoint> I believe so, again I don't use pidgin either but I'm sure I've spoken to people who've used it with both Yahoo and webcam
[09:53] <kop_regr> maybe gaim-vv at the time?? I can double-check again, but given the number of threads in forums about people requesting video in Pidgin, I would doubt it
[09:53] <HollowPoint> sorry benjamin but KDE4.1 mega sucks, I'd try not using your drives part of dolphin and just mount the disks at a certain point in your file system
[09:54] <HollowPoint> I have a 500GB Sata WD drive mounted at /Share for example on my system, I know exactly where it is and can get there by opening Dolphin and clicking, Root, then share
[09:54] <HollowPoint> gaim is yet another IM client I don't use lol
[09:54] <_2> are we back to my fstab sugggestion ?
[09:54] <HollowPoint> I believe so _2
[09:54] <Ash-Fox> Is it normal that the amarok in Kubuntu intrepid is using KDE 3.5.10 ?
[09:55] <HollowPoint> not normal Ash-Fox no
[09:55] <benjamin> launching dolphin using kdesudo yields the following across the bottom of the window: "Could not start process Cannot talk to klauncher: The name org.kde.klauncher was not provided by any .service files."
[09:55] <HollowPoint> quite possible, but not normal lol
[09:55] <holycow> it should be, amarok 2 isn't released i don't think
[09:55] <holycow> checking
[09:55] <kop_regr> actually i know only 2 clients that support webcams on Yahoo: kopete and Gyachi. the last one is not really well supported. kopete is the best option... welll... was until yesterday's Intrepid upgrade :-)
[09:55] <substr> i just updated my system to 8.04 but now it hangs up, i think, when X or kdm should start. any ideas what could be wrong?
[09:56] <holycow> oh it is
[09:56] <holycow> interesting
[09:56] <benjamin> it's difficult trying to remember three drives purely via their mount points (sdb1, sdc1, etc).
[09:56] <HollowPoint> mount them via names then
[09:56] <Ash-Fox> I noticed because amarok was using my old KDE color scheme :P
[09:56] <_2> benjamin oh my.     that'll teach me to stab in the dark,  now wont it...   ;/
[09:56] <HollowPoint> like I said, I have sdb (500GB SATA WD Drive) mounted at /Share
[09:56] <benjamin> they don't stick
[09:57] <benjamin> they end up shuffled
[09:57] <benjamin> it's wierd
[09:57] <HollowPoint> you using SATA, USB or IDE drives?
[09:57] <holycow> well when you format them name them
[09:57] <holycow> so when they mount they will be named
[09:57] <benjamin> well i don't recall seeing that option when i formatted them from ntfs to ext3  using linux :P
[09:57] <holycow> oh hehe
[09:57] <holycow> amarok is actually `1.3
[09:58] <holycow> apt thinks its 2.x
[09:58] <_2> benjamin they are ext#     </perks up>
[09:58] <holycow> oh wait 1:4
[09:58] <HollowPoint> there is an option to label the disks while formatting to ext3 from the cli, can't remember what it is, but I've used it lol
[09:58] <holycow> right amarok 2 isn't released yet
[09:58] <holycow> there is a repo you can us for amarok nightlies tho
[09:58] <holycow> google that and you can have amarok 2 in whatever current state its build is in
[09:58] <_2> benjamin use tune2fs -l <name> /dev/<device>    like i said an hour ago.
[09:58] <benjamin> i used a livecd... i don't recall the utility name
[09:58] <_2> errr sudo that
[09:58] <HollowPoint> lmao
[09:59] <benjamin> i'm already rebooting into xp, sorry :P
[09:59] <HollowPoint> traitor! lol
[10:00] <benjamin> i added ext3 support to xp for a reason (unforseen issues, like this one)
[10:00] <holycow> benjamin: why bother?
[10:00] <HollowPoint> when I re-installed my machine a few months ago I deliberately installed Vista as my Windows dual boot, so I wouldn't be tempted to boot it, and haven't done since the install :D
[10:00] <holycow> just go ntfs and forget linux ever existed
[10:00] <holycow> just be happy man
[10:00] <_2> it's not an issue.   it's a misunderstanding
[10:00] <mmo> Notice] -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.
[10:00]  * _2 scrolls up....  <benjamin> how do i get to "storage devices"?
 well tune2fs -l <name> /dev/<device>  would then work on ext# fs's
[10:01]  * HollowPoint is confused at holycow's respones
[10:01] <mmo> ups sorry
[10:01] <mmo> wrong channel
[10:01] <HollowPoint> response*
[10:01] <benjamin> yeah, no field ever showed with that name
[10:01] <holycow> HollowPoint: we should never have our main goal as compmeting with microsoft or producing saleable product
[10:01] <holycow> what happens is you get people like benjamin who don't understand what they are getting
[10:01] <holycow> and don't want to learn
[10:01] <holycow> which is fine
[10:01] <holycow> there are macs and windows for that
[10:02] <ilya> holycow: windows must die!
[10:02] <benjamin> i'm only going to be in xp long enough to relabel my drives, then i'm heading back to 8.10
[10:02] <HollowPoint> I disagree holycow but don't think this is the place for me to do it lol
[10:02] <holycow> i used to think that too, now i want ms users just to stay on ms
[10:02] <_2> holycow easy....    every body starts some place.
[10:03] <holycow> absolutely
[10:03] <HollowPoint> Linux has a learning curve, no more so than Windows either, in fact it can be a lot less than Windows if you start out on an even playing field
[10:03] <holycow> but to play against 30 years of ingrained training is just bad strategy
[10:03] <holycow> there is more to linux than just a learning curve imho
[10:03] <benjamin> i've done pretty well myself... i only boot to windows when linux hiccups, otherwise i'm in linux full time
 i used to think that too, now i want ms users just to stay on ms <<< agree in part, and decent in part.   the ones that want to change linux, i wish would stay there.  the ones that want to join linux, i wish would leave there permanantly.
[10:04] <kuil> hi.. anybody knows how to disable randr scanning?
[10:04] <kuil> in 8.10 ?
[10:04] <HollowPoint> nah it isn't, it's good fun, healthy competition and they will eventually commit their own suicide, we needn't do much more than continue producing good software and they'll keep trying to discredit it and destroy it and each time they get more shot down in the press
[10:04] <holycow> well the one thing i've learned from #ubuntu is that being mean to ms users is not beneficial to anyone.  being willing to help always is not just healthy for the users but it helps the community
[10:04] <holycow> so i'm not trying to be mean
[10:05] <holycow> naw ms won't ever go away
[10:05] <benjamin> not in the forseeable future anyway
[10:05] <holycow> ms infact servers a definite requirement in the marketplace
[10:06] <ilya> benjamin: did you pay for windows? :)
[10:06] <jussi01> !ot
[10:06] <benjamin> ilya: it shipped with the box when it was boughten for me five years ago
[10:07] <HollowPoint> for now yes, but take this into consideration, they continually try to undermine other companies, they've pissed off Cisco (Who now own an exchange style server company), they've pissed off IBM hugely to the extent IBM are now regressing even more into Linux evangelism etc, how many more big players do we need to come our way?
[10:07] <holycow> apple for example sells an upscale complete experience.  people that buy apple buy mercedes ... they know with the price they get premium service
[10:07] <holycow> microsoft on the other end is the wallmart of software
[10:07] <holycow> we are a social movement, not a manufacturing plant to fulfill the needs of those that aren't willing to pay for our labour
[10:07] <HollowPoint> Apple suck beyond recognition, it isn't high end software, it's software on hand picked hardware, with code taken from numerous different locations for no money and no guarantee, developed a little and sold at a high price
[10:08] <holycow> and oddly, we are precisely a social movement of one, everyone is here for their own reasons
[10:08] <jussi01> Please us #kubuntu-offtopic for this discussion!!!!
[10:08] <HollowPoint> that is definitely truw
[10:08] <HollowPoint> jussi01 is about to have a heart attack so we'd best stop
[10:09] <jussi01> HollowPoint: no need to stop, just move :)
[10:09]  * _2 doesn't move,   just stops.
[10:09] <HollowPoint> idd
[10:10] <HollowPoint> jussi01 no one ever talks in there, it's boring as hell, so I just don't bother going there
[10:10] <kuil> please can someone help me disable randr scanning in kde4?
[10:10] <benjamin> is there a keyboard shortcut for the let's-bring-all-the-widgets-to-the-front-button?
[10:11] <dwidmann> HollowPoint: that's not true ... it's just conversations aren't constantly going on in there
[10:11] <_2> kuil can you explain a little bit?     maybe someone can at least devise a workaround
[10:12] <_2> dwidmann hmmm never was while i was there.
[10:12] <kuil> _2 my kdm.log and xorg.log are getting filled with messages.. and everytime something is added there my external monitor turns off and on
[10:12] <dwidmann> _2: I say this as a permanent resident of -offtopic
[10:12] <kuil> watching a monitor that's turning off every 10 seconds is really really annoying
[10:12] <kuil> it worked fine in 8.04
[10:13] <kuil> I read somewhere that disabeling randr scanning should work..
[10:13] <kuil> just can't find where to disable that
[10:14] <_2> people,  lets put our heads togather and devise a fix for kuil.   that's a major problem.
[10:15] <_2> and hardware damage might even insue.
[10:15] <kuil> _2 I would really really welcome one :)
[10:16] <HollowPoint> man xrandr seems one for me, I can't remember the commands to turn the monitor off but that would be my first option
[10:16] <HollowPoint> then use xrandr command line to re-configure it and re-enable the monitor once done
[10:17] <_2> he doesn't want to drop the monitor.  he wasn't to use it. but without continual scanning of said monitor.
[10:17] <kuil> jep
[10:17] <_2> s=wasn't=wants=
[10:17] <kuil> the image is okay.. as long as the monitor is on
[10:18] <_2> kuil   pastebin the output of    pstree     for me.
[10:18] <HollowPoint> yup, hence me saying, "re-enable the monitor once done", I was thinking more of if it's turned off while the configuring of randr is done it can't hurt the hardware from surges etc
[10:19] <_2> yeah that.
[10:20] <_2> i think we typed at the same time.       i do that some.   laggy
[10:20] <HollowPoint> lol
[10:20] <kuil> _2 http://paste.ubuntu.com/66678/
[10:22] <_2> kuil i'll give you a command to test.   if it forces a reboot or something like that don't blame me.      sudo killall krandrtray
[10:24] <Cictani> hi
[10:24] <_2> kuil ?
[10:24] <Cictani> where are konqueror plugins stored?
[10:24] <HollowPoint> lmfao, nice disclaimer, I think he'll be ok though
[10:24] <Cictani> since I installed konqueror-plugin-gnash but konqueror can't find it (kubunut 8.10)
[10:25] <_2> HollowPoint i "think" so too.  but i haven't tested that to see how kde4 would react.
[10:25] <HollowPoint> ah yes KDE4, even the oracle couldn't predict the reaction of KDE4
[10:26] <jeroen__> hi all i have a question how to install joomla if u already installed Mysql and apache2?
[10:26] <kuil> _2 I just started krandrtray
[10:26] <kuil> it's not responsable for the scanning :(
[10:26] <kuil> I kind of hoped I could disable it from there
[10:27] <kuil> but I have just quitted it
[10:27] <HollowPoint> you should be able to find installation instructions with the joomla source, it'll most likely be a case of unzipping the files to your web directory, then accessing a setup page via a browser, that's usually the install process for php apps
[10:27] <jeroen__> ok:)
[10:27] <jeroen__> thx
[10:27] <kuil> hmm.. there was a device notifier there.. that seemed to help
[10:28] <kuil> at least for my logfiles
[10:28] <_2> kuil guidance-power   could be sampling the external to see whether or not to go to a different setting...      still looking
[10:29] <kuil> still the same problem :(
[10:29] <kuil> so killing the defice notifier didn't help
[10:30] <_2> nm-system-setti ?
[10:30] <kuil> ** (nm-system-settings:9070): WARNING **: No plugins were specified.
[10:30] <Cictani> Hmm I just noticed not even clicking on any of the links above automatically opens an installed webbrowser why? ^^
[10:33] <_2> kuil idk.      i think i would systematicly start killing off processes starting with the last working up to the earilest,   and checking after each one. to find the offending process and then track it down from there.
[10:33] <kuil> _2 k.. thanks
[10:33] <_2> ps ax     is your friend.   as is   killall  and pidof
[10:33] <kuil> I'll remember that
[10:33] <kuil> thx
[10:34] <_2> HollowPoint have anything to add there ?    or anyone else ?
[10:34] <_2> jussi01  ?
[10:34] <HollowPoint> at this point all I could suggest would be crawling through top
[10:35] <HollowPoint> look for anything xorg, or xrandr/randr related that shouldn't/doesn't need to be there
[10:36] <_2> HollowPoint http://paste.ubuntu.com/66678/  pstree output     i was looking for something that looked like it would run xrandr    only thing i saw he said wasn't it.
[10:37] <HollowPoint> clickity
[10:37] <_2> top...  one could watch top for the time it took to cycle the thing. and see if something came to the "top" while the monitor blinked       kuil
[10:38] <HollowPoint> indeed :D
[10:38] <kuil> there is one error in my kdm file that complains about my intel driver
[10:38] <kuil> "(EE) intel(0): Unable to write to SDVOCTRL_E for SDVOB Slave 0x70."
[10:38] <kuil> no idea what that means though
[10:38]  * _2 would almost bet one of those py scripts....
[10:40] <HollowPoint> kuil, in a command line just type xrandr -v and pastebin the output please mate?
[10:40] <kuil> Server reports RandR version 1.2
[10:40] <kuil> just one single line
[10:41] <HollowPoint> ok cool, what about xrandr -q
[10:42] <kuil> http://paste.ubuntu.com/66688/
[10:42] <kuil> I updated my xorg with a virtual option.. but withouth that same problem
[10:43] <kuil> _2 I killed all python scripts running
[10:43] <kuil> didn't help
[10:43] <Exilant> Can someone tell me which program was used to create the nice screenshot combinations, for example http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/8.10-upgrade/kubuntu-810-screenie.png ? of 8.10
[10:44] <_2> Exilant the [print screen] key ?
[10:45] <HollowPoint> in the K menu you can use Graphics > Ksnapshot Exilant
[10:45] <_2> used to be called "take a screen shot"
[10:46] <_2> in the kmenu    kde3
[10:46] <Exilant> i mean, combine them with transparency
[10:46] <Exilant> sorry
[10:46] <HollowPoint> gimp
[10:46] <ubuntu_> русские есть?
[10:46] <HollowPoint> !gimp
[10:46] <_2> yeah gimp  krita maybe
[10:47] <Exilant> ok, i'll look if i can recreate sth. similar
[10:47] <ubuntu_> can i have russian help?
[10:47] <_2> !ur
[10:47] <_2> !ru
[10:47] <ubuntu_> thx
[10:47] <_2> typo   ;/
[10:48] <HollowPoint> kuil, try xrandr --off TMDS-1, if it turns off your working monitor you may have to drop to a console "CTRL F4" and turn it back on
[10:48] <kuil> HollowPoint: I don't seem to have any other consoles :(
[10:48] <kuil> just the graphical
[10:49] <_2> ctrl+alt+f1  to get to a console if needed
[10:49] <HollowPoint> duh yeah thanks _2
[10:49] <HollowPoint> lol
[10:49] <HollowPoint> is now midnight and I was tired at 9 lol
[10:49] <_2> HollowPoint i'll leave and rest if you will.   deal ?
[10:49] <frode> hi, I'm trying to upgrade to kubuntu 8.10, but the upgrade tool does not appear
[10:49] <kuil> _2 there is nothing there
[10:50] <_2> kuil then your vidio driver is your problem.
[10:50] <HollowPoint> meh lol
[10:50] <kuil> probably
[10:50] <kuil> but which one should I use?
[10:51] <kuil> will try and ask the people at xorg
[10:51] <kuil> thx
[10:51] <_2> there are always active tty consoles in linux.   if you can't see them it's a display issue (kernel frame buffer not playing nice with gfx driver most of the time)
[10:52] <kop_regr> frode: which version are you using now?
[10:52] <_2> very common with "ati and usplash"   not using usplash is one workaround that works for some.
[10:53] <_2> well i have a deal to keep.   so i'm out.
[10:53] <frode> 8.04 i think
[10:53] <kuil> _2 thx
[10:53] <_2> welcome kuil
[10:53] <frode> kde 3.5
[10:53] <kop_regr> i'm using Ubuntu here. But normally, for 8.04, you have to tell the system that you dont want to follow only LTR releases
[10:54] <kop_regr> in Ubuntu, you have to go to System -> Administration -> Software sources
[10:54] <kop_regr> from here, in the Updates tab, you have to change "Show new distribution releases" from "LTR support only" to "Normal releases"
[10:55] <kop_regr> but i'm not sure where you can find the same menu in Kubuntu
[10:56] <frode> ok, I'll try
[10:59] <HollowPoint> exit
[11:01] <Rasputin> does nvidia-71/96 work yet? anyne know
[11:04] <favro> Rasputin: you can check here - http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810
[11:10] <weew> anyone knows if dolphin can preview video files ?
[11:11] <weew> =/
[11:13] <Kundokaani> where are all programs in my os?
[11:14] <Kundokaani> I cant find vlc-player
[11:14] <p47r1ck__> HI ALL
[11:14] <Kundokaani> hi
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[11:14] <p47r1ck__> :)
[11:14] <p47r1ck__> LINUX IS THE BEST :)
[11:14] <msl> Kundokaani: I would guess that it is in /usr/bin
[11:15] <p47r1ck__> JJ
[11:15] <p47r1ck__> I MAKE CS 1.6 SERVER ON LINUX :)
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[11:16] <msl> p47r1ck: You are looking in the wrong place.....  :)
[11:17] <Kundokaani> great I find it
[11:18] <Kundokaani> and next quiz is that I try to print pdf-file with pdf viewer and couldnt do it. then I download acrobat but I cant open install file
[11:19] <amerigo> HELLO...
[11:19] <dig> msl, no girl here I guess
[11:20] <ubuntu__> Hi, i just installed Kubuntu :>
[11:20] <Kundokaani> linux own add/remove softwares is great but what happen when I have to get something from web
[11:20] <msl> dig: I'm sure there are a few, but they are smarter than that..
[11:21] <MaVe_1337> i'm running kubuntu on my live cd
[11:21] <msl> Kundokaani: Can you print from other applications or is it only PDFs that you can't print?
[11:21] <amerigo> a tips please... I have 8 PC in mixed lan (Mesh), but if i try to rip file fron another PC with Konqueror - sometimes it work sometimes it don't, but if I use dolphin i got no problem.... There's a matter for this??
[11:27] <Kundokaani> msl: jes openoffice writer prints just fine
[11:28] <jussi01> !medibuntu | Kundokaani
[11:29] <jussi01> Kundokaani: acrobat is in that repo
[11:41] <Kundokaani> do you mean that adobe has made linux-version of acrobat reader but I am not allow to use it?
[11:43] <msl> You are allowed to use it and the "proper" way to install will be from the Medibuntu repo (which is well respected)
[11:43] <jussi01> Kundokaani: no, you can use it, just add the repo and install it!
[11:44] <larsivi> anyone noticed that kontact uses very much memory?
[11:44] <larsivi> since intrepid/kde4
[11:48] <Guest2282> Hi
[11:49] <perlmonkey> I keep getting a strange message on my shell console... "kbuildsycoca running...Reusing existing ksycoca"  I have no idea why, it just pops up every few minutes.. this is on a server which does not even have X installed.. any ideas how to stop it?
[11:49] <perlmonkey> here is rest of message: (KService*): WARNING: The desktop entry file /usr/share/applications/DefaultPlugins.desktop has Type=Link instead of "Application" or "Service" kio (KService*): WARNING: Invalid Service : /usr/share/applications/DefaultPlugins.desktop kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[11:50] <Guest2282> I just upgraded from Kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10, everything works fine, but i can't find the folderview plasmoid. Any ideas how to fix this problem?
[11:52] <kop_regr> kuil: did you solve your blinking display problem?
[12:00] <kop_regr> kuil, i found this: http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.10.22/kubuntu-intrepid-dual-monitor-blinking/      not sure if it helps your case
[12:02] <hagabaka> which package will provide the update notifier in 8.10? I have adept and update-notifier-kde installed, but nothing shows up when there are updates
[12:02] <jannott> What i need todo to open bz2 archive? Ark can't do it dolphin can't do it
[12:04] <jussi01> !info bzip
[12:04] <ccoffey> bzip2 maybe
[12:04] <jussi01> !info bzip2
[12:04] <jussi01> knew it was kinda like that
[12:10] <Kundokaani> ohh damn this is something over my skills
[12:10] <jussi01> Kundokaani: you want me to walk you through it?
[12:10] <Kundokaani> what I am going to write to that apt line
[12:11] <jussi01> Kundokaani: just go to a terminal, then do what I tell you
[12:11] <Kundokaani> I believe I have newest kubuntu
[12:12] <Kundokaani> jep I am in the terminal
[12:12] <Kundokaani> "bash" right?
[12:13] <jussi01> Kundokaani: ok, now please type:  lsb_release -a
[12:13] <jussi01> and tell me which version you have.
[12:14] <Kundokaani> ubuntu 8.10
[12:14] <jussi01> Kundokaani: ok great
[12:14] <jussi01> Kundokaani: now copy this and paste it into your terminal:
[12:14] <jussi01> sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/intrepid.list --output-document=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[12:15] <Kundokaani> and hit enter?
[12:15] <jussi01> yes
[12:15] <jussi01> it will ask for your password
[12:15] <Kundokaani> no such file of directory
[12:15] <Kundokaani> or
[12:16] <jussi01> Kundokaani: what did you copy?
[12:16] <Kundokaani> ou I miss that sudo wgeet
[12:16] <jussi01> hehe
[12:16] <Kundokaani> jes now pass
[12:16] <kuil> kop_regr your the best! thank you very very much
[12:17]  * kuil is dancing like a little kid who just got candy
[12:17] <jussi01> Kundokaani: you wont see the password that you are typing, just type it and hit enter
[12:17] <Kundokaani> is that password same that I use when I normally install programs?
[12:18] <bibek> kopete-kde4 is strange
[12:18] <bibek> a new window wont open but
[12:18] <bibek> the kopete icon rotates..
[12:18] <bibek> how do i configure this?
[12:18] <jussi01> Kundokaani: yes
[12:18] <Kundokaani> is it now ready?
[12:18] <jussi01> no
[12:19] <jussi01> Kundokaani: now do this:
[12:19] <jussi01> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install medibuntu-keyring && sudo apt-get update
[12:19] <dig> Sysinfo for 'kenpeter': Linux 2.6.27-7-generic running KDE 4.1.2 (KDE 4.1.2), CPU: Intel(R)Core2CPU6700@2.66GHz at 1600 MHz (5333 bogomips), HD: 222/557GB, RAM: 982/1008MB, 155 proc's, 13.56min up
[12:19] <jussi01> Kundokaani: if it asks about un authenticated packages, just type the word yes
[12:20] <Kundokaani> E:
[12:20] <Kundokaani> E: Type 'sudo' is not known on line 56 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:20] <Kundokaani> kundo@ubuntu:~$
[12:20] <ralpho_> rams a little weak
[12:20] <jussi01> Kundokaani: have you done something to your sources list?
[12:20] <Kundokaani> maybe... O.O
[12:21] <jussi01> Kundokaani: kdesudo kate /etc/sources.list
[12:22] <Kundokaani> could not be loaded
[12:22] <kop_regr> kuil, actually, it's on the main page of Kubuntu Intrepid as a known issue :-) no glory for me
[12:22] <jussi01> oh sorry
[12:23] <jussi01> Kundokaani: kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:23] <Kundokaani> jep
[12:23] <jussi01> Kundokaani: please copy all of that into a pastebin
[12:24] <jussi01> !pastebin | Kundokaani
[12:25] <Kundokaani> http://paste.ubuntu.com/66720/
[12:26] <jussi01> Kundokaani: ok, easy, remove the last line, then save and exit
[12:27] <Kundokaani> done
[12:28] <jussi01> Kundokaani: now back to terminal
[12:29] <jussi01> Kundokaani: in terminal now do this again:
[12:29] <jussi01> sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/intrepid.list --output-document=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[12:29] <Captain_Haddock> anyone know where the hard disc manager that used to be in 8.04 has gone in 8.10?
[12:29] <Kundokaani> yes
[12:30] <jussi01> Kundokaani: is it done?
[12:30] <jussi01> Kundokaani: once you have done that do this:
[12:30] <jussi01> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install medibuntu-keyring && sudo apt-get update
[12:31] <Kundokaani> its loading
[12:31] <jussi01> good :)
[12:32] <jussi01> Kundokaani: when thats done you should be able to find and install acrobat in the normal way (in adept)
[12:32] <Kundokaani> thought that linux would be easyer :)
[12:32] <OxDeadC0de> hey I want to checkout some js plasmoids from svn, anyone know the address to get them? svn://anonsvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets doesn't work anymore it seems. I asked in #plasma already waiting a response, maybe someone here knows?
[12:33] <Captain_Haddock> Kundokaani: acrobat isn't free software, hence the extra step
[12:34] <Captain_Haddock> !medibuntu
[12:34] <Kundokaani> but I meant acrobat reader?
[12:34] <Captain_Haddock> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu (for future reference)
[12:34] <Captain_Haddock> Kundokaani: free as in freedom, not beer :P
[12:35] <dr_willis> Free as in Free Love?
[12:35] <dr_willis> :)
[12:35] <Captain_Haddock> "Medibuntu has two components for its repository. They are labelled free and non-free. The free component has the packages for software whose sources are made freely and/or are distributed with an open source license such as the GNU General Public License. The non-free component contains software whose sources are not made freely available and/or are distributed with a license that restricts certain ways the software can be distributed."
[12:35] <Captain_Haddock> Kundokaani: ^ :)
[12:35] <Captain_Haddock> dr_willis: hehe
[12:35] <Kundokaani> aa okey
[12:36] <Kundokaani> fucking capitalism
[12:36] <Kundokaani> ;D
[12:36] <Captain_Haddock> :P
[12:36] <dr_willis> That wouldent be 'FREE' Love... :) if you paid for it..
[12:36] <dig> obama08....
[12:37] <Kundokaani> I wounld happily get some free pdf-viewer but I didnt find any working
[12:37] <dr_willis> Ive been using Foxit PDF reader under windows - instead of the adobe stuff.  Wonder if they ever made a linux port
[12:38] <kop_regr> Kundokaani, there are a lot of good free PDF viewers: evince, kpdf, gv, xpdf, etc.
[12:38] <hagabaka> has anyone used apt-p2p?
[12:39] <dr_willis> Foxit is freeas in beer, not free as in love.. :()
[12:39] <dr_willis> http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/desklinux/
[12:39] <michel> how do I do to install the nvidia driver in my kubuntu 8.10?
[12:40] <Guest2282> I just upgraded from Kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10, everything works fine, but i can't find the folderview plasmoid. Any ideas how to fix this problem?
[12:42] <dig> kop_regr: Among those PDF viewer, which one is able to edit PDF?
[12:43] <JontheEchidna> PDF generally isnt' an editable format
[12:43] <kop_regr> dig, i'm not aware that any of those can edit PDFs. However, I seem to remember that the new OpenOffice 3.0 can edit PDFs
[12:43] <JontheEchidna> Guest2282: is kdebase-plasma installed?
[12:45] <benjamin> how do i make it so i have to double click on folders in dolphin (as opposed to the default single click)?
[12:46] <hagabaka> benjamin: system settings, keyboard and mouse, mouse, general, icons, double click ....
[12:46] <wolf_> hi i started a update from 8.04 to 8.10, all went foine, then the install progress began, i went away from the pc for some minutes, then the kicker and the upgrade manger were away
[12:47] <wolf_> what happened?
[12:47] <bufalo1973> hi
[12:49] <bufalo1973> wolf_, it happened too to me and I solved it by killing the process and starting it over (first a safe-upgrade, then a dist-upgrade)
[12:50] <wolf_> bufalo1973: which process?
[12:50] <Guest2282> JontheEchidna: No its not *shameonme* Thanks alot!
[12:51] <wolf_> bufalo1973: what is a safe-upgrade?
[12:51] <bufalo1973> wolf_, look at the processes list and you'll find it easily
[12:51] <Guest2282> JontheEchidna: Now i have folderview.
[12:51] <Guest2282> Thx for help.
[12:51] <JontheEchidna> :]
[12:52] <bufalo1973> I don't remember the name, but it was very obvious
[12:52] <wolf_> bufalo1973: cant you tell me the prog-name?
[12:53] <bufalo1973> wolf_, look a the processes list
[12:53] <bufalo1973> it eats a lot of cpu time
[12:53] <wolf_> bufalo1973: i think i have to install a fresh kubuntu
[12:53] <wolf_> bufalo1973: i have top open
[12:54] <wolf_> the updatemanger inst running anymore and also kicker
[12:54]  * SkEmO is back
[12:55] <bufalo1973> if you don't see any obvious name (intrepidsomething), try to safe-upgrade the system and then dist-upgrade
[12:57] <wolf_> bufalo1973: how to safe-upgrade?
[12:59] <wolf_> but when the upgrade breaks i thin a new install is the best solution isnt it?
[13:01] <benjamin> he left
[13:01] <wolf_> cant some one help me with this breaking upgrade?
[13:01] <bufalo1973> wolf_, sudo aptitude safe-upgrade&&sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[13:02] <benjamin> i guess he came back
[13:02] <wolf_> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correctthe problem
[13:02] <bufalo1973> then do it
[13:02] <wolf_> so i run that?
[13:03] <bufalo1973> sudo dpkg --configure -a&&sudo aptitude safe-upgrade&&sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[13:03] <bufalo1973> this should correct the upgrade
[13:07] <Kundokaani> I tried to put photoshop shortcuts to gimp cause gimps shortcut are little bit hard after using 13 years of photoshop
[13:07] <dr_willis> There is that GimpShop program/gimp variant. :)
[13:08] <Kundokaani> linux sayd that I cant rename that gimb shortcut file
[13:10] <wolf_> bufalo1973: so tty1 upgrade would be recommended?
[13:10] <wolf_> o avoid such problems
[13:11] <dvd> a
[13:12] <bufalo1973> wolf_, ttyX or konsole or xterm or ...
[13:12] <wolf_> bufalo1973: amarok-common is very inconsistent and it's ecommended to install it new
[13:12] <wolf_> the install process cant remove it
[13:13] <bufalo1973> well, if you have too much trouble, clean install
[13:13] <wolf_> i think the system is messed up because of this great gui installer, which is overall on ubuntu sites the way to upgrade the system
[13:13] <wolf_> grmbl
[13:13] <bufalo1973> it will be faster
[13:14] <bufalo1973> do you have your /home in another partition?
[13:15] <arcanusx> Anyone successfully using pamusb with intrepid?
[13:17] <makaveli12> how can i change my refresh rate , ubuntu 8.10 , video = ATI HD 3450 , driver = fglrx i cant use more than 60 hz  ?
[13:18] <makaveli12> helloooo
[13:19] <bdheeman> I also want to get rid a fliker, which is caused by typing and, or clicking mouse
[13:19] <dr_willis> Ive neer needed to bothe rwith the refresh rate so cant tell you makaveli
[13:19] <dr_willis> DVI LCD, not really an issue for me
[13:19] <wolf_> bufalo1973: no
[13:19] <makaveli12> pf
[13:19] <makaveli12> damn
[13:19] <makaveli12> ;[
[13:19] <mifauna> hola
[13:20] <dr_willis> !fixres
[13:20] <benjie> hi guys!!!
[13:20] <benjie> i have a problem with my sound driver
[13:20]  * dvd^bitbucket is away: Zur Zeit nicht da.
[13:20] <benjie> can anyone help me pls?
[13:20]  * dvd^bitbucket is back.
[13:21] <Captain_Haddock> !question
[13:22] <benjie> got it
[13:22] <benjie> sorry
[13:22] <benjie> i have a laptop using sigmatel sound driver
[13:22] <benjie> but not sound is coming out
[13:23] <benjie> anyone encounter this before?
[13:23] <benjie> i just installed kubuntu 8.1
[13:23] <dr_willis> check the mixer contrlls, and perhaps alsamiser from a terminal. be sure its not accidently muted
[13:23] <dr_willis> ive seen sound be 'muted' and not show it as such befor.
[13:24] <benjie> yup, it's not muted
[13:24] <benjie> actuali the driver seems to be working except theirs not sound coming out of the speaker
[13:24] <dr_willis> start some mediaplayer  from a terminal, try to play somthing look for  output errors also
[13:25] <benjie> got it
[13:25] <benjie> i'll try to do that
[13:25] <dr_willis> ive sene that befor where it plays and you see the little equalizer sound things bob up and down, and the visual  eyecandy works in tune to the music bue you just dont hear it. :)
[13:25] <arcanusx> !fixpamusb
[13:25] <arcanusx> !pamusb
[13:25] <arcanusx> damn :D
[13:26] <benjie> it's playing normally but not sound coming out of the speaker
[13:26] <dr_willis> ive neer even heard of pamusb
[13:26] <bentob0x> under 7.10 I had the right-click option for compressing files with choice of file type etc
[13:26] <bentob0x> how can I get this in 8.04 KDE4?
[13:27] <arcanusx> its a pam module that uses onetime pads to authenticate a user against a USB key
[13:27] <dr_willis> Not seen a way yet.. seen several ask.. but never seen an answer
[13:28] <dr_willis> I recall fighting with sound vanishing on this box once.. then realize i had a headset plugged in.. :)
[13:28] <arcanusx> Ive had it working for ages, but i suddenly get a error saying my USB stick is not removable anymore...
[13:29] <benjie> i'm using dual boot and the sound driver seem to be working well with windows vista
[13:29] <benjie> i'm just wondering y it's not workng for linux considering it was identified :(
[13:29] <dr_willis> i had a weird quirk during install where it set up /dev/sdb as a cdrom drive.. in fstab as a 2nd optical drive  when in fact i only had one optical drive..  This made my FIRST usb key i plugged in. never work/mount right.
[13:30] <dr_willis> I would say check the fstab for a weird entry. :) it does mount? kust says its not removeable?
[13:32] <r0y4lty> I just updated to Kubuntu 8.10 and now whatever screen I open up getts maxed out as a background on my desktop? Anyone know how I can fix it?
[13:32] <arcanusx> i get the same error wether its as sdb, sdg or sdf...
[13:32] <arcanusx> (trying to reformat now, lets see if that helps :P)
[13:33] <amerigo> hi at all...
[13:33] <r0y4lty> yeah I looked everywhere and I couldnt find a solution
[13:33] <kopote> hola
[13:33] <r0y4lty> hey
[13:33] <amerigo> it's possible to increase memory swap without formatting???
[13:34] <benjie> anyone who knows how to work with sigma tel?
[13:34] <Pici> amerigo: Boot up with a live CD and use gparted/qtparted to resize the swap partition.
[13:35] <amerigo> Pici: I do not loose any data??
[13:36] <substr> hi
[13:36] <Pici> amerigo: Resizing does not require formatting. You should have your data backed up somewhere just in case though. If the process is interupted, data loss can occur.
[13:36] <dr_willis> amerigo,  you could always add a swap file.
[13:36] <OxDeadC0de> !pastebin
[13:36] <substr> any ideas why my xkb-keymap wont load. Xorg.0.log says: (WW) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap
[13:38] <amerigo> Pici: dr_willis: may be I'll loose program and setting?
[13:38] <dr_willis> making a swap file - wont lose anything...
[13:38] <amerigo> ok
[13:39] <dr_willis> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-add-a-swap-file-howto/
[13:39] <dr_willis> My wife cries when the dog gets a shot.
[13:39] <arcanusx> thats random...
[13:39] <amerigo> i'm gonna go
[13:39] <r0y4lty> lol yeah that was random
[13:40] <dr_willis> wrong channel. :) heh
[13:40] <arcanusx> xD
[13:40] <r0y4lty> ha
[13:40] <dr_willis> talking to a Paramedic in #puppylinux
[13:40] <dr_willis> heh
[13:40] <arcanusx> haha
[13:40] <r0y4lty> lol
[13:40] <arcanusx> aight, take care guys, gtg
[13:40] <r0y4lty> peace
[13:41] <r0y4lty> This screen is so annoying
[13:42] <amerigo> dr_willis: Pici: If i have inderstood ... i have to create a new file?
[13:43] <_MarcoPau_> hello, since my last upgrade the audio hasn't been working any more. is it a common problem?
[13:43] <dr_willis> amerigo,  the dd command in that guide generates a 'file' that you then format as swap and add to the swap list.
[13:43] <dr_willis> You can have several swap partitions and swap files at the same time.
[13:43] <amerigo> Clear
[13:43] <Kundokaani> I just went root/home/kundo/.gimp and fint gimp directory
[13:44] <Kundokaani> now I trying to find same directory by clicking
[13:44] <Kundokaani> where is only my personal stuff styled ready made directory system or something like that
[13:45] <Kundokaani> videos photos desktop
[13:45] <Kundokaani> where is that gimp?
[13:45] <Kundokaani> linux directories are little bit weir
[13:45] <Kundokaani> D
[13:45] <Kundokaani> d
[13:48] <dr_willis> Huh>
[13:48] <dr_willis> all user stuff is in their home directory somewhere.
[13:49] <dr_willis> compared to the disaster of directories and files that Vista is using.. I will stick with how Linux does it.
[13:51] <Kundokaani> oujeah
[13:51] <Kundokaani> they were hidden
[13:52] <ben_> hello
[13:53] <kop_regr> gtg. bb
[13:53] <derjens> hello everybody
[13:53] <derjens> i have kubuntu 8.10 and cannot get wlan working with WPA2
[13:54] <derjens> i was running wlan with wep for 1 week and now i wanted to move to WPA2
[13:54] <ben_> i have kubuntu
[13:54] <derjens> but i cannot check WPA in the network manager
[13:54] <pushax> hi derjens, I can't get my Intel 4965AG enabled.  says disabled in lshw -C network
[13:55] <ben_> i dont know what version though
[13:55] <derjens> pushax: mine is working... as i said wlan with wep was working fine
[13:55] <pushax> does anyone know how to enable wifi card?
[13:55] <derjens> which kubuntu version do you use? with 8.10 and 8.04 (i tested it before) it worked all out of the box on ThinkPad T61
[13:56] <pushax> derjens: have you tried putting a land cable in for temp internet and doing patches?
[13:56] <trojan_> kiss my ass
[13:56]  * derjens is looking for something to drink. 1min AFK
[13:56] <pushax> using new ibex
[13:56] <ben_> how is everyone?
[13:56] <larsivi> pushax: you probably have a on/off switch on your laptop?
[13:56] <pushax> larsivi: yes and it's on.
[13:56] <larsivi> for wireless ...
[13:57] <bazhang> !ru | trojan_
[13:57] <bazhang> trojan_, no cursing please
[13:57] <larsivi> pushax: I came over some mention of a kill switch the other day, don't know if it applies to your chip/laptop
[13:58] <derjens> pushax: ATM i am working on ethernet. i have all recent patches installed
[13:59] <derjens> can anybody help me setting up WPA2?
[13:59] <derjens> i read the wiki but i did not help very much
[14:01] <larsivi> derjens: intel wireless?
[14:01] <derjens> larsivi: yes
[14:01] <derjens> using iwl4965
[14:01] <larsivi> works out of the box for me ...
[14:02] <larsivi> I have the 3965 card
[14:02] <derjens> well, the device is there and WEP is no prob... but i cannot select WPA from the list of security items
[14:02] <amerigo> dr_willis: I have done dd during carge process ... swap space is ready without booting (and under charge) !!!
[14:02] <amerigo> dr
[14:03] <larsivi> derjens: which network manager do you use?
[14:03] <amerigo> thank you !!!
[14:03] <Trapecista> build-essential seams to have been installed wrong, how can i reinstall it with all dependencies? I have tried apt-get install --reinstall build-essential but did not reinstall dependencies
[14:03] <derjens> larsivi: KNetworkManager
[14:04] <larsivi> derjens: hmm, it seems to pick up the correct available modes with me - for instance WPA Enterprise or WPA Personal (which I use home)
[14:04] <larsivi> there are other issues with the new knetworkmanager (in intrepid) though ..
[14:04] <derjens> larsivi: i know about the different types but none of them is available
[14:05] <larsivi> derjens: do you get a list of available networks?
[14:05] <derjens> larsivi: there are some things different to my old linux system. i will mention them and you will look if anything is different on your box?
[14:06] <derjens> larsivi: yes, i get the list. my wpa2 network is in the list, too
[14:06] <larsivi> derjens: not sure I can help much - I had to mess around a bit to get it working after upgrading
[14:06] <larsivi> but when I first got the list of networks (scanning didn't work at first), security just worked
[14:07] <derjens> larsivi: please run `sudo wpa_cli` on console. does it say "Could not connect to wpa_supplicant - re-trying"?
[14:07] <derjens> larsivi: and what exactly do you mean by "mess around"? did you change any config files?
[14:07] <larsivi> derjens: I'm not connected to wireless atm
[14:08] <larsivi> derjens: and no - it was missing packages like kernel modules and so on that was held back during upgrade
[14:08] <derjens> no prob. you can securely run wpa_cli. it is just a console for managing and monitoring wpa_supplicant. starting it does not change anything on your wireless connection
[14:09] <larsivi> I know - and I get Could not connect to wpa_supplicant - re-trying - which I assume is because I'm not connected to wireless
[14:09] <yousef> derjens: you probably have to upgrade your router firmware
[14:09] <larsivi> hmm, or not - wpa_supplicant is running
[14:10] <yousef> what kind of router
[14:10] <derjens> yousef: no. it is dd-wrt and wpa2 is no prob. the actual problem is that i cannot select wpa2 in knetworkmanager
[14:11] <yousef> oh i see
[14:11] <derjens> larsivi: are you sure that you can connect to wpa networks though? if this works for you, then wpa is no problem even if wpa_cli does not work
[14:12] <larsivi> derjens: I can't test it while at the office, but it certainly worked at home  yesterday
[14:12] <derjens> okay
[14:12] <larsivi> for WPA Personal - the router is using WPA2
[14:13] <pushax> derjens http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202834&highlight=4965ag
[14:17] <derjens> pushax: this link seems not to be of any use. it is related to manual config of wlan devs. but i wanna use knetworkmanager which is the default way and iwl4965/4965ag is not even mentioned in this doc
[14:17] <derjens> or did i miss anything?
[14:23] <ubuntoil> Hi. I wanna try Qt creator and I can't build my example because he doesn't know where is qmake
[14:23] <ubuntoil> does anyone knows where is my Qmake ??
[14:28] <favro> !info qmake
[14:29] <jussi01> ubuntoil: whereis qmake
[14:32] <ubuntoil> jussi01: qmake is /usr/bin/qmake
[14:34] <ubuntoil> here: /usr/share/qt4/bin/qmake
[14:34] <ubuntoil> but does not want to compile..??
[14:35] <phx591> hey, I'm using intrepid ibex with nvidia's driver on my  laptop. Are there any working settings to speed up kde 4 a little bit?
[14:36] <XenThraL> not sure where to direct criticism but
[14:36] <XenThraL> this has been hands down the worst dist upgrade I've ever done
[14:36] <XenThraL> it has really corroded my trust in kubuntu
[14:36] <XenThraL> and now I'm forced to use gnome to have a running stable system
[14:37] <larsivi> XenThraL: I agree that the upgrade was bad, although with some effort it is stable for me now
[14:37] <larsivi> too much effort I should add
[14:37] <XenThraL> larsivi: I'm not linux expert
[14:37] <XenThraL> and it broke so many things for me
[14:37] <XenThraL> and theres so much missing
[14:37] <XenThraL> like, a GUI to configure my network
[14:37] <XenThraL> if I didnt have windows
[14:38] <XenThraL> I wouldnt be able to have solved this issue
[14:38] <XenThraL> since it knocked down my network settings and I had _no_ idea where those conf files were
[14:38] <dmcmanus> lololololololololol
[14:38] <jmcculloch> hey dom
[14:38] <dmcmanus> sapnin J
[14:38] <jmcculloch> ya bass
[14:38] <ubuntoil> XenThraL:knetworkmanager ??
[14:38] <jmcculloch> bye bye
[14:38] <jmcculloch> *waves*
[14:39] <XenThraL> tried it
[14:39] <jmcculloch> try again
[14:39] <XenThraL> didnt change the settings when I configured through it
[14:39] <jmcculloch> try harder
[14:39] <XenThraL> also had problems with my X
[14:39] <ubuntoil> XenThraL: admin mode ??
[14:39] <XenThraL> and KDE4 crashes
[14:39] <XenThraL> when I turn on my twinview
[14:39] <dmcmanus> yeah crash
[14:39] <jmcculloch> awwww diddums
[14:39] <dmcmanus> sherman takes the cock
[14:39] <XenThraL> this is all pretty, well, duct-taped together
[14:39] <jmcculloch> oh thats news to me
[14:39] <ubuntoil> XenThraL: I prefer kde3....and I didn't upgrade....
[14:40] <dmcmanus> is this Jeffers?
[14:40] <jmcculloch> nah - KDE2 hardcore
[14:40] <XenThraL> yeah, kde3 is much better
[14:40] <jmcculloch> nah 2
[14:40] <XenThraL> wish I had known how bad kde4.1 is before I tried to upgrade
[14:40] <XenThraL> and damn I hate gnome but dont have a whole lot of options right now
[14:41] <ubuntoil> XenThraL: yes, that would be great to have downgrade tools
[14:41] <XenThraL> well thats not really a solution either
[14:42] <ubuntoil> XenThraL: now you have to download and install 8.04
[14:42] <XenThraL> I upgraded because I trust the kubuntu people
[14:42] <XenThraL> and I can't
[14:42] <XenThraL> cause my DVD drive is busted
[14:42] <ubuntoil> XenThraL: upgrade is not always good...sometimes you should skip a version
[14:43] <XenThraL> really wanted gcc 4.3
[14:43] <ubuntoil> XenThraL: what about a usb dist ??
[14:43] <XenThraL> anyways
[14:43] <XenThraL> I offer the criticism here for whatever its worth
[14:44] <jmcculloch> criticise this
[14:44] <XenThraL> been using ubuntu since dapper
[14:44] <XenThraL> hands down worst dist-upgrade ever
[14:44] <jmcculloch> i concur
[14:47] <GillesMM> amsn is not in intreprid ?
[14:49] <hagabaka> hi, i have a mouse with two buttons, a wheel, and two thumb buttons. currently the wheel controls horizontal scroll bars but not vertical ones. how could I make it control vertical scroll bars?
[14:49] <phx591> hi, do you have any working xorg.conf tweaks for intrepid ibex + nvidia driver?
[14:56] <Ash-Fox> http://ash-fox.quickfox.org/temp/signalbars Seriously, look at the signal bars. They're monitoring the same network interface. They both have four bars. The one on the left is from KDE4+Kubuntu intrepid, the one on the right is from KDE3.5+Kubuntu hardy. Why are they measuring different strengths?
[14:56] <Eruaran> Does anyone know if there's a fix for icons that dont paint properly in the systray ?
[14:56] <Ash-Fox> Eruaran, it's an effects setting.
[14:57] <Ash-Fox> You would need to enable effects and just have the tray icon effecty thing enabled
[14:57] <Eruaran> ?
[14:57] <Eruaran> Not sure what you mean
[14:57] <jmcculloch> koik
[14:57] <Eruaran> effects are enabled
[14:57] <Ash-Fox> If you haven't disabled effects, it's something else
[14:57] <jmcculloch> lol
[14:57] <jmcculloch> does anyone know sherman?
[14:58] <jmcculloch> i demand respect
[14:58] <hagabaka> !wheel
[14:59] <autoconnor> anyone know any good jokes?
[14:59] <Pici> !ot
[14:59] <autoconnor> i dont wanna
[15:00] <jussi01> autoconnor: I strongly sugggest you do. ;)
[15:09] <Guest49783> ,
[15:11] <root> dg
[15:12] <albhack> hi everyone
[15:12] <albhack> who can help me how i can crack
[15:12] <albhack> how i can install kismet
[15:12] <albhack> in ubuntu
[15:13] <albhack> is there
[15:13] <Pici> albhack: sudo apt-get install kismet
[15:13] <albhack> anyone
[15:13] <albhack> here ?
[15:13] <albhack> lool
[15:13] <Pici> !enter
[15:13] <albhack> !enter
[15:13] <albhack> ej pici
[15:13] <albhack> no kismet crack
[15:13] <albhack> tool
[15:13] <albhack> i wget
[15:13] <albhack> and tar file but
[15:14] <albhack> when i go ./configure
[15:14] <Pici> albhack: Please lay off on the enter key a bit.
[15:14] <albhack> say
[15:14] <Pici> albhack: kismet is in the software repositories, there is no need to compile it from source.
[15:15] <albhack> ok pici
[15:15] <Pici> !info kismet
[15:15] <albhack> now how i can see
[15:15] <albhack> ok i have that
[15:15] <albhack> but how i can install
[15:15] <albhack> please becouse i am new member of linux
[15:15] <Pici> albhack: Run: sudo apt-get install kismet
[15:15] <Pici> !software
[15:16] <bentob0x> maybe you should try explaining in asembler Pici ...
[15:17] <albhack> ok pici
[15:17] <gruppe> Hi
[15:17] <albhack> now i do that comand and it say
[15:17] <kokolinux> hello !!!
[15:17] <kokolinux> :D
[15:17] <bentob0x> oh hello
[15:18] <albhack> [sudo] password for albhack:
[15:18] <albhack> Reading package lists... Done
[15:18] <albhack> Building dependency tree
[15:18] <albhack> Reading state information... Done
[15:18] <kokolinux> eee alguien habla español ?
[15:18] <albhack> Suggested packages:
[15:18] <albhack>   festival gpsd
[15:18] <Pici> !es | kokolinux
[15:18] <albhack> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[15:18] <albhack>   kismet
[15:18] <albhack> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[15:18] <Pici> !paste | albhack
[15:19] <bentob0x> albhack: just do ALT+F2 now and type kismet
[15:19] <Pici> kismet is a cli program
[15:20] <albhack> pici
[15:20] <bentob0x> ah, my mistake then
[15:20] <albhack> now i insalll
[15:20] <albhack> what i can do now were
[15:20] <albhack> i can see
[15:20] <albhack> were i can run the kismet
[15:20] <albhack> pici
[15:20] <Pici> From a terminal, konsole if you're on KDE.
[15:20] <albhack> are u here
[15:21] <albhack> yes
[15:21] <albhack> the komanda
[15:21] <albhack> to run is
[15:21] <albhack> pici
[15:21] <albhack> bro u are here
[15:22] <bazhang> albhack, espanol?
[15:22] <albhack> no
[15:22] <albhack> englsih albanian
[15:22] <albhack> :S
[15:22] <bazhang> type kismet
[15:22] <albhack> hmm ok now
[15:23] <albhack> i open the terminal
[15:23] <albhack> and do
[15:23] <Pici> You'll need to modify /etc/kismet/kismet.conf to match your setup first though.
[15:23] <bazhang> !enter | albhack
[15:23] <bazhang> albhack, dont use the enter key as punctuation.
[15:23] <albhack> ok
[15:23] <Kundokaani> how to get youtube working? I downloaded sun java 6 and gnash and still dont work
[15:24] <albhack> but pic were i can found
[15:24] <albhack> that
[15:24] <albhack> kismet.conf
[15:24] <albhack> ?
[15:24] <bazhang> !flash
[15:24] <bazhang> Kundokaani, ^^
[15:24] <Pici> albhack: I just told you /etc/kismet/kismet.conf
[15:24] <ewgen> list
[15:26] <heinrich> hmm i have a question regarding installation of envyng-gtx on a ati x1600 mobility. After installation and reboot the computer asks for drivers regarding graphics and monitor...what do i put in? vesa? fglrx? or just radeon/radeonhd.
[15:29] <heinrich> any ideas?^^
[15:31] <albhack> bazhabg
[15:31] <albhack> bazhang
[15:31] <albhack> can u help me how
[15:31] <simon__> accountancy software in linux which wins?
[15:31] <albhack> i can config wireless card in kismet ?
[15:31] <bazhang> !info gnucash
[15:32] <bazhang> albhack, what are you trying to do? please write it all on one line. Don't type two words then hit enter please.
[15:32] <w8tah> !sound
[15:33] <firechris> hello @all
[15:33] <firechris> May someone help me on kubuntu 8.10 ?
[15:33] <bazhang> albhack, answer me in the channel please not in PM
[15:33] <albhack> ok
[15:33] <firechris> I cannot get aspell or ispell working
[15:33] <albhack> bro
[15:34] <albhack> how i can
[15:34] <albhack> config the wlan card in kismet ?\
[15:34] <bazhang> albhack, all on one line.
[15:34] <w8tah> how do i enable the sound system on Intrepid?
[15:34] <albhack> hmm i run
[15:34] <albhack> the lin
[15:35] <albhack> loooooool
[15:35] <albhack> what hapend
[15:35] <albhack> here
[15:35] <albhack> ?
[15:35] <bazhang> albhack, you aren't listening
[15:35] <albhack> now i install the kismet
[15:35] <bazhang> albhack, put your question all on one line.
[15:35] <albhack> but how i use thast
[15:35] <albhack> ok
[15:36] <bazhang> albhack, why do you want to use kismet
[15:36] <albhack> to crack a wireless wep wep
[15:36] <Freeaqingme> I have a mouse with some extra buttons. Is there a GUI available to configure those?
[15:36] <bazhang> albhack, no.
[15:36] <albhack> mm
[15:37] <albhack> but how i can config
[15:37] <pabluntu> hello
[15:37] <albhack> brother
[15:37] <albhack> how i can crack that shit wifi
[15:37] <bazhang> albhack, dont curse here.
[15:37] <albhack> ok
[15:37] <albhack> bro
[15:37] <albhack> sorry
[15:38] <Ryu> i have added the spring engine intrepid repositories to the sources list but when i look for spring it doesnt show up
[15:38] <heinrich> This feels like afk-heaven=P
[15:38] <bazhang> Ryu, did you sudo apt-get update
[15:39] <Ryu> yeh
[15:39] <Ryu> but neither adpet manager or synaptic show spring
[15:39] <bazhang> paste.ubuntu.com /etc/apt/sources.list please
[15:39] <Ryu> but when i try with terminal it does find it .. why?
[15:39] <Ryu> k
[15:39] <bazhang> heinrich, you want to do 3d?
[15:40] <bazhang> fglrx is very buggy heinrich
[15:40] <bazhang> heinrich, also check the notes for ibex
[15:40] <bazhang> !notes
[15:40] <Ryu> bazhang: http://pastebin.com/d680af83e
[15:41] <zsolti> hi
[15:41] <zsolti> everybody
[15:41] <Ryu> bazhang: heres what i followed http://spring.clan-sy.com/wiki/Ubuntu_install
[15:41] <jhutchins_wk> Anybody extend the speed benchmarks that show decreasing performance with the recent releases to see if Ibex reverses this trend?
[15:41] <Kundokaani> is there any click and play way install softwares and plungins to kubuntu. example that gnash blugin for mozilla
[15:42] <bazhang> Ryu, it is not in your sources.list
[15:42] <Ryu> but i added it through the gui
[15:42] <Ryu> of adept
[15:43] <bazhang> Ryu, hardy or ibex
[15:43] <Ryu> intrepid
[15:43] <zsolti> I need some help
[15:43] <zsolti> can anyone help me
[15:43] <zsolti> ?
[15:43] <Ryu> bazhang sheldon
[15:43] <bazhang> Kundokaani, kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:44] <bazhang> Ryu, it is not in the list.
[15:44] <Authority> zsolti: only if you tell us what your problem is
[15:45] <Ryu> bazhang if the list is in /etc/apt/sources.list then why does  http://spring.clan-sy.com/wiki/Ubuntu_install tell me to add the repo's to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/springproject.list ?
[15:45] <bazhang> Ryu, kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list and add that line with no #in front of it
[15:45] <Ryu> k
[15:45] <bazhang> Ryu, then save it and sudo apt-get update
[15:56] <christian86> Hello, need help with dosbox (with sound = problems, without sound = no problems); konsole tells: ALSA:Can't subscribe to MIDI port (65:0) nor (17:0) MIDI:Opened device:oss
[15:57] <Ryu> bazhang still nothing.. it doesnt show up in either apt gui (synaptic and adept) but it does show up like before when it wasnt in the sources.list in terminal
[15:57] <Ryu> ,*
[15:58] <bazhang> Ryu, please paste.ubuntu.com with the new sources.list
[15:58] <Ryu> http://pastebin.com/d7f65ab3
[15:58] <Ryu> bazhang *
[15:59] <bazhang> Ryu, then sudo apt-get update
[15:59] <bazhang> Ryu, and sudo apt-get install spring
[15:59] <Ryu> yes but why isnt it showing up in the gui's?
[16:00] <bazhang> Ryu, is it installed?
[16:00] <Ryu> hold on
[16:01] <Ryu> bazhang downloading 8 min
[16:01] <sfears> is there anyone that can help me with nvidia issues after the upgrade to intrepid?
[16:01] <bazhang> sfears, which card
[16:01] <sfears> geforce 440
[16:02] <bazhang> sfears, did you check the notes?
[16:02] <bazhang> !notes
[16:02] <sfears> will check
[16:03] <Ryu> oh its intrepid ibex k i thought it was just intrepid
[16:03] <Ryu> whats the next one called?
[16:03] <christian86> Hello, need help with dosbox (with sound = problems, without sound = no problems); konsole tells: ALSA:Can't subscribe to MIDI port (65:0) nor (17:0) MIDI:Opened device:oss
[16:03] <faileas> Jaunty Jackalope
[16:03] <bazhang> !jaunty
[16:03] <Ryu> lol who comes up with these names ?
[16:05] <sfears> bazhang: ok, so i can't enable the nvidia drivers.  Now i have two questions, how do i enable the nv driver, and how do i drop back to 8.04?
[16:05] <Ryu> !intrepid
[16:05] <Ryu> soz
[16:05] <bazhang> sfears, drop back? as in downgrade? there is only one way to do that...
[16:05] <sfears> i figured such
[16:05] <sfears> ok.. how do i enable the nv drivers
[16:06] <Ryu> sfears i used envy
[16:06] <bazhang> sfears, this is kubuntu?
[16:06] <sfears> yes
[16:06] <bazhang> you could try envyng-qt
[16:06] <bazhang> not sure if it works with ibex though
[16:06] <sfears> and why doesn't dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg give me the options for video drivers anymore?
[16:06] <bazhang> !info envyng-qt
[16:07] <bazhang> sfears, that stopped working in gutsy
[16:07] <sfears> ohhh
[16:07] <sfears> so where do i configure that now?
[16:07] <bazhang> xorg is largely superfluous now
[16:07] <ryu_> * You have been killed by services. (collision) * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). wth?
[16:08] <Ash-Fox> ryu_, someone else was using the same nickname.
[16:08] <ryu_> Ash-Fox but i had it before
[16:08] <uman> Hi there, ive been trying to share a connection between my ubuntu pc and my xbox 360. i read a tutorial on how to do it with firestarter, but i always get an error sasying eht0 interface is not ready. is there an easy way to do it with ubuntu 8.10? i currently have 8.04 and will upgrade soon. thanks
[16:08] <Ash-Fox> ryu_, and?
[16:08] <ryu_> its mine
[16:08] <ryu_> :(
[16:08] <Ash-Fox> ryu_, it's not even registered.
[16:08] <Ash-Fox> -NickServ- ryu_ is not registered.
[16:09] <ryu_> no i was using Ryu
[16:09] <mog_> hello
[16:09] <Ash-Fox> Ryu is owned.
[16:09] <ryu_> :( by who ? ill hunthim down
[16:09] <Ash-Fox> Information on ryu (account ryu): Registered : Jul 27 18:19:40 2005 (3 years, 14 weeks, 1 day, 21:49:36 ago) Last seen  : now Flags      : HideMail, Private
[16:09] <ryu_> zomg hes had it for ages
[16:09] <zsolti> can anyone use the windows wireless driver program? I have some problems
[16:10] <Ash-Fox> I've had mine longer.
[16:10] <mog_> i've get a processus wich use more than 90% ressource of preoccesor , it's name is whiptail
[16:10] <Ash-Fox> zsolti, yes.
[16:10] <Ryunix> boom
[16:10] <Ash-Fox> zsolti, it works 100% fine here.
[16:10] <mog_> it's normale
[16:10] <mog_> ?
[16:11] <mog_> how kill it?
[16:11] <mog_> it's dangerous?
[16:11] <Ash-Fox> mog_, it's a dialogbox.
[16:11] <Ryunix> anyone else seen this ? http://openpandora.org/
[16:11] <mog_> Asf-Fox dialogbox , meaning?
[16:12] <bentob0x> when you have a console open in Konqueror while in filemanagement mode, the console doesn't cd '/the/folder/you/just/clicked/on' when you click on a folder where Dolphin does
[16:12] <mog_> and he take a longer time :/
[16:12] <Ash-Fox> mog, are you curently running adept?
[16:13] <mog_> euh no but dpkg
[16:13] <sfears> my file menus in konqueror has dissapeared.. menus in all my other applications seem to be fine.  any ideas??
[16:13] <sfears> my file menus in konqueror have* dissapeared.. menus in all my other applications seem to be fine.  any ideas??
[16:13] <Ash-Fox> mog_ finish what you're doing in dpkg
[16:13] <Ash-Fox> mog_, it's the message windows used by packages.
[16:14] <w8tah> hi folks -- ive got a box im working on -- i cant get any sound out -- it shows up in lspci as: 02:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03)    i cant seem to find how to use the kmenu to enable the sound system etc --
[16:14] <zsolti> my driver softver is a .exe file and the program need .inf file
[16:14] <zsolti> [15:58] <zsolti> what do you think? what can i do?
[16:14] <mog_> it doesn't work because he say me that there are not enough ressource
[16:14] <w8tah> any help is very appreciated
[16:14] <Ash-Fox> mog_, then cancel.
[16:14] <mog_> it's done
[16:14] <mog_> but how kill this processus
[16:14] <mog_> ?
[16:14] <Ash-Fox> mog_, sudo killall -9 whiptail
[16:15] <mog_> killall or kill?
[16:15] <Ash-Fox> mog_, sudo killall -9 whiptail
[16:15] <Ash-Fox> That should kill whiptail with extreme prejudice.
[16:15] <mog_> thank you
[16:16] <mog_> why this processus take so much ressource?
[16:16] <Ash-Fox> It's in a loop, waiting for input from the user.
[16:17] <Ash-Fox> One of those things that was not quite coded so correctly from debian.
[16:18] <Ash-Fox> mog_, see for yourself, run this in konsole: whiptail --msgbox "hello world" 10 20
[16:18] <Ash-Fox> That's all it is.
[16:20] <mog_> ya it work
[16:20] <w8tah> where can i find the enable sound system setting in kubuntu intrepid
[16:20] <Ash-Fox> mog_, that's what the program does. Just explaining so you know :)
[16:20] <Ash-Fox> w8tah, it's in system settings
[16:21] <w8tah> Ash-Fox, with respect - im IN system settings, sound and i cant find it anywhere --
[16:21] <heinrich> If I play a movie or something the video flashes and goes straight through whatever i put in front.
[16:21] <Ash-Fox> w8tah, system settings -> general -> sound
[16:21] <w8tah> ash -- thats exactly where i am
[16:22] <SmokeyTokez> hello everyone
[16:22] <Ash-Fox> w8tah, you choose the sound system preference there. If you want to use pulse audio, you need to make sure pulse audio is installed - sudo apt-get install pulseaudio
[16:22] <mog_> t thinked that it's my pc config no enough strong for kubuntu
[16:23] <w8tah> Ash-Fox, ok -- i'll reboot - brb
[16:23] <iGoose> oh hi sry, can u talk me russian help chanel one mor time? plz
[16:23] <SmokeyTokez> hey I'm having a problem with my screen resolution, and it gets worse when I install the driver for me Nvidia GeForce 4 MX Video
[16:23] <SmokeyTokez> if anyone can help email me at SmokeyTokez@Ymail.com
[16:23] <bazhang> !ru
[16:24] <iGoose> oh thx
[16:24] <mog_> because i'have only 512MB RAM, 30GB HDD and processor AMD Sempron 1.8 GHz and i've got kubuntu 8.10
[16:25] <SmokeyTokez> he he, mog, are you using an E-Machine?
[16:26] <mog_> E-Machine what'is this?
[16:26] <SmokeyTokez> a computer brand made by Gateway
[16:26] <mog_> i'm sorry i leanr english so i  don't speak/understand very well all aver the word in english
[16:26] <SmokeyTokez> ahh
[16:26] <SmokeyTokez> I see
[16:26] <mog_> Gateway lol
[16:27] <SmokeyTokez> Gateway sucks
[16:27] <mog_> i speak very well french
[16:27] <SmokeyTokez> ummm
[16:27] <SmokeyTokez> Que ceppa la framash? (I don't know if I spelled it right)
[16:27] <SmokeyTokez> is that right mog?
[16:28] <Captain_Haddock> mog_: my mum's PC is more or less the same configuration and it manages OK with 8.10
[16:28] <mog_> no,
[16:28] <Captain_Haddock> effects turned off of course
[16:28] <mog_> Captain
[16:28] <SmokeyTokez> i'll brb room
[16:28] <mog_> ok thanks
[16:28] <legodude> is there any way to have plasma collapse windows from the same app in the taskbar?
[16:28] <mog_> SmokeyTokez , not good french , it does not french ^^
[16:29] <Captain_Haddock> legodude: you mean like group the same app together like in windows?
[16:29] <legodude> exactly
[16:30] <Captain_Haddock> legodude: not sure. Haven't seen it.
[16:30] <Captain_Haddock> 4.1?
[16:30] <w8tah> Ash-Fox,  i installed pulse audio -- everything is full up and unmuted
[16:30] <w8tah> no sound
[16:31] <legodude> Captain_Haddock: I belive so, 8.10
[16:31] <Captain_Haddock> legodude: you could try asking in #kde
[16:31] <legodude> ah thanks
[16:31] <Captain_Haddock> they probably have a better handle on obscure features :)
[16:31] <legodude> yup
[16:31] <legodude> didn't even think of that
[16:31] <w8tah> the only thing that im seeing is that for some reason if i right click on kmix it wont allow me to unmute it
[16:33] <Captain_Haddock> w8tah: is your soundcard being detected correctly?
[16:33] <w8tah> far as i can tell
[16:33] <w8tah> it shows up in LSPCI
[16:34] <Captain_Haddock> and also in the sound applet in system settings?
[16:34] <w8tah> yes
[16:35] <Captain_Haddock> w8tah: how about in lshw? That should also show which module's being used.
[16:36] <w8tah> yep -- it seems to be there
[16:39] <uman> how do i run sudo on every command i use in terminal? sudo -i?
[16:39] <makdaknife> sudo -s
[16:39] <iGoose> and the last time pliase)))
[16:39] <w8tah> Captain_Haddock, it seems to be there
[16:40] <DarkSmoke> hey
[16:40] <DarkSmoke> k3b can burn dual-layer dvds
[16:40] <DarkSmoke> ?
[16:40] <iGoose> rus
[16:42] <iGoose> i wanna rus serv!!! uaaa
[16:42] <Koordin> hi, i've just upgraded to 8.10 but the server X does not start alone and i have to write 'startx' in tty1 in order to launch it, does someone have any idea ?
[16:43] <ek> Koordin: Is KDM set to run at system boot?
[16:43] <w8tah> anyone got any ideas on why my audigy card is not working????
[16:44] <Koordin> i don't know, where can i see that ?
[16:44] <Reptile> I updated to 8.10 but I have problem
[16:44] <Koordin> ek : i don't know, where can i see that ?
[16:44] <ek> w8tah: I had issues with an Audigy card a while back myself. I ended up taking the card back to the store I purchased from 'cause I could never figure it out.
[16:44] <wolf_> hi i installed 8.10 and my screen flickers every 10 seconds, the restricted modlues hardware manager shwos that terhe is a fglrx driver, but I#m not able to activate it
[16:44] <Reptile> Not able to connect with cable
[16:44] <w8tah> oh -- ok
[16:44] <ek> Koordin: Well, there is software you can install to check, or you can use KDE's System Settings area to see/adjust what is set to start at boot time.
[16:45] <ek> Koordin: 8.10, right?
[16:45] <Reptile> how do I enable eth01
[16:45] <Koordin> yes
[16:45] <Koordin> ek: i'll check
[16:45] <ek> Reptile: /etc/init.d/networking start <- What does that say?
[16:46] <Koordin> ek: i've just seek that kdm was not installed
[16:46] <lyhana8> hi, i tried an ubuntu 8.10 with some KDE apps (kopete, gwenview) and i want to downgrade. Can you explain me what does mean that ubuntu 8.04 is LTS and Kubuntu 8.04 isn't.
[16:46] <Koordin> i've installed it and i'll now reboot
[16:46] <ek> Koordin: Okay.
[16:46] <ek> Koordin: Did it ask you about enabling it at boot time?
[16:47] <Koordin> during the install : " Adding system startup for /etc/init.d/kdm ..."
[16:47] <ek> Koordin: Okay. Perfect.
[16:48] <ek> lyhana8: LTS means that that particular version of *Ubuntu will have 3 years of support.
[16:48] <phx591> hi, if I want to mount my vista ntfs partition, kubuntu 8.10 asks for the root password. how can i mount it as a user?
[16:48] <Reptile> onfiguring network interfaces"
[16:48] <ek> LTS = Long Term Support. Non-LTS versions of *Ubuntu get 18 months of support.
[16:49] <ek> Reptile: What does "ifconfig" tell you about your internet connection? Can you paste the output to pastebin?
[16:49] <lyhana8> ek: yep but what about the kubuntu 8.04 and the KDE3 desktop ?
[16:49] <Reptile> and then nothing
[16:49] <ek> phx591: Add a "user" option to the mount line in your /etc/fstab file.
[16:49] <ek> lyhana8: That is Ubuntu 8.04 LTS adjusted for KDE.
[16:50] <Reptile> what should it say, cant copy and paste
[16:50] <ek> lyhana8: In other words, Kubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron will have another 2.5-ish years of updates.
[16:50] <phx591> ek: there's no fstab entry, cause this is managed by hal I think
[16:50] <lyhana8> ek: KDE4 i lost too much features on KDE4 apps so want to go back to KDE3, but i want to know until when KDE3 will be supported
[16:50] <ek> Reptile: It should list your network interfaces along with their current configuration.
[16:51] <ek> lyhana8: As long as Kubuntu 8.04 LTS Hardy Heron is supported. So, 3 years from release date which was (very rough estimate) 6 months ago.
[16:51] <lyhana8> ek: on wikipedia they emphase the fact that Ubuntu is a LTS and Kubuntu isn't
[16:51] <ek> lyhana8: So, 2.5 more years.
[16:51] <Reptile> inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
[16:52] <ek> lyhana8: It will continue to be supported for quite a while. I wouldn't worry about it.
[16:52] <wolf_> now my pc has frozen, someone can help me to avoid this flickering and to enable this fglrx driver?
[16:52] <ek> There are many people that choose to stick with the KDE 3.5 desktop for various reasons. No one will be forced into KDE4 for a long time.
[16:52] <lyhana8> ek: ok that seem a pretty good time for KDE4 to get to the level of KDE3 dev
[16:52] <ek> Reptile: There is no eth0 device in the "ifconfig" output?
[16:53] <ek> lyhana8: That's the idea.
[16:53] <Reptile> no
[16:53] <ek> wolf_: How did you install the fglrx driver?
[16:53] <wolf_> ek: I wnated to enable it from this icon in the kicker
[16:53] <ek> Reptile: You may need to get 3rd party proprietary drivers for your network card...
[16:53] <ek> Are you sure a network card is installed?
[16:54] <lyhana8> ek: doens't that divide the development force/dynamism to have KDE3 alongside KDE4 ?
[16:54] <Reptile> Everything worked fine until I updated
[16:54] <ek> Reptile: Updated to what? Intrepid?
[16:54] <Reptile> Yep
[16:55] <cdshan> Hi!  I have downloaded the new version of kubuntu (8.10), I tried to install it, all goes on well till I get to the installation screen and when the screen displays to select the language, the mouse pointer disappears and the system just hangs!  Could someone help me with this?
[16:55] <ek> lyhana8: For the most part, yes. But, devs will be leaving KDE3 for KDE4 at some point. But, serious bugs and such will be fixed in KDE3 still.
[16:55] <ek> lyhana8: Also, it could always fork and two different teams can develop whatever they'd like and go their separate ways.
[16:56] <lyhana8> ek: so KDE3 can still get news features !??
[16:56] <ek> Reptile: What does your /etc/network/interfaces file say? Is there an "eth0" line in there?
[16:56] <ek> lyhana8: Maybe. Depends on how far the KDE devs decide to take KDE3 before moving on.
[16:56] <wolf_> ek: can you help me?
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> no, KDE3 is permanently feature frozen
[16:57] <ek> wolf_: You may need to remove/rename your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file temporarily while you play around with the video card driver(s).
[16:58] <ek> JontheEchidna: Ah. Interesting.
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> basically nobody is working on KDE3 anymore
[16:58] <lyhana8> JontheEchidna: oh~ that's a bad news
[16:59] <Koordin> hi again ek
[16:59] <ek> JontheEchidna: But, bug fixes and such are still undergoing I take it?
[16:59] <ek> Hello, Koordin.
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> not very many, but a few I suppose
[16:59] <cdshan> ﻿Hi!  I have downloaded the new version of kubuntu (8.10), I tried to install it, all goes on well till I get to the installation screen and when the screen displays to select the language, the mouse pointer disappears and the system just hangs!  Could someone help me with this?
[16:59] <Reptile> Yes there is
[16:59] <Koordin> ek: now it says in a window that it could not find the oxygen theme ; and then in a console message it says that it will not boot on k display manager because it is not the default
[17:01] <lyhana8> how i can do a clean downgrade to Hardy Heron ?
[17:01] <ek> Reptile: What does the line say?
[17:02] <ek> Koordin: Does it say what is the default?
[17:02] <Koordin> no
[17:02] <Koordin> i'm trying to install kubuntu-kde4-desktop to see
[17:02] <ek> Koordin: Ah. Okay.
[17:02] <stdin> !downgrade | lyhana8
[17:03] <ek> lyhana8: I wouldn't downgrade versions of Kubuntu. Just downgrade your KDE version.
[17:04] <lyhana8> ek: how can i do this ? (i don't know *ubuntu allow this)
[17:04] <ubuntoil> ek: sounds clever but how do you do that ?? uninstall the kde desktop
[17:04] <ubuntoil> compile your kde
[17:04] <ubuntoil> and then "make install" ?
[17:05] <ek> lyhana8: Probably something as simple as an "apt-get install kubuntu-kde-desktop".
[17:05] <daler> hello
[17:05] <lyhana8> ubuntoil: that's the gentoo way ^^y
[17:05] <ek> lyhana8: Then, of course, logging into KDE3 instead.
[17:05] <ek> ubuntoil: No. I wouldn't go that far. I'd leave KDE3 and KDE4 installed.
[17:05] <ubuntoil> lyhana8: because I'd like to upgrade to 8.10 but I don't want kde 4
[17:05] <ubuntoil> ek: not suppored any longer in 8.10
[17:06] <cdshan> ﻿Hi!  I have downloaded the new version of kubuntu (8.10), I tried to install it, all goes on well till I get to the installation screen and when the screen displays to select the language, the mouse pointer disappears and the system just hangs!  Could someone help me with this?
[17:06] <lyhana8> i don't follow you on how downgrade KDE
[17:06] <ek> ubuntoil: Well, you may very well need to delete the KDE4 IDE then.
[17:06] <ubuntoil> lyhana8: 8.04 or 8.10 ??
[17:06] <ek> And then install KDE3 instead.
[17:07] <ek> s/I//g
[17:07] <Koordin> ek: after having installed kubuntu-kde4-desktop, i have the same problem
[17:07] <lyhana8> ubuntoil:  currently on 8.10
[17:07] <ek> Koordin: What does "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm" give you?
[17:08] <ek> Does it prompt you to make it the default and such?
[17:09] <Koordin> ek: no output
[17:11] <Darthfrog> Has anyone got Flash working on Intrepid AMD64 & firefox?
[17:14] <Koordin> ek:  ?
[17:14] <Linuturk> ummm
[17:15] <sfears> i need some help enabling ndiswrapper & wireless cards
[17:15] <Tm_T> !wifi | sfears
[17:16] <sfears> i guess i should rephrase that.. i need help with ndiswrapper in 8.10, it doesn't seem to work like it used to
[17:16] <Linuturk> I've been playing with the Kubuntu 8.10 live cd, and the screen seems to flicker a lot.  Any ideas why? Compositing seems to be on, and I have this problem on Ubuntu as well, but not to this degree. It only happens on startup with Ubuntu, and goes away after that unless I am using a Wine application.
[17:16] <sfears> the drivers are loaded but not wireless networks are detected.
[17:16] <sfears> the drivers are loaded but no* wireless networks are detected.
[17:19] <ShawnRisk> hey all, I am running kubuntu 7.04 in a virtual machine and wondering if there was a way to get internet working.  I have tried everything and not working, but this use to work.  Ideas?
[17:20] <Darthfrog> ShawnRisk: An old version in an unusual environment?  Good luck.
[17:20] <ShawnRisk> :P
[17:20] <ShawnRisk> this is the only version that works in Parallels on my mac
[17:21] <ralpho_> if nothing else you could try to fake it like its static just a idea been awhile sense i used vm
[17:21] <Darthfrog> Does it see the virtual network card?
[17:22] <ShawnRisk> yes
[17:22] <Darthfrog> Can you assign a static IP and gateway to it?
[17:24] <ShawnRisk> I only have the lo when I did ifconfig and I am running wireless on my mac
[17:24] <ShawnRisk> ideas?
[17:24] <Darthfrog> Then it doesn't see the virtual network card, it seems.
[17:25] <lyhana8> i'll reinstall kubuntu 8.04, thx for help
[17:26] <ShawnRisk> I have this on Shared Networking
[17:27] <ShawnRisk> used to work
[17:28] <uman> Hi, can you guys help me getting firestarter firewall to start everytime i boot up ubuntu, even if its a limited user that logs in? thanks
[17:28] <ShawnRisk> Darthfrog: any other ideas?
[17:28] <stdin> uman: it does, it's just the GUI that doesn't start by default
[17:28] <uman> ok thanks
[17:29] <jussi01> !bum | uman
[17:29] <uman> stdin, anyway to get the ui to strat also
[17:29] <Darthfrog> ShawnRisk: I don't know Parallels.  But until it gives your virtual machine a proper virtual NIC, you aren't going anywhere.
[17:29] <jussi01> !autostart | uman
[17:29] <stdin> if you don't close the UI then it will normally be started when you login, else see ↑
[17:32] <Koordin> ek: not here anymore ?
[17:37] <pritam> how can i remove a use locale using shell
[17:38] <KDesk> I have a DVD Image and also the DVD files copyed to my HD. With witch program can I transform them to Xvid?
[17:39] <Darthfrog> KDesk: Have a look at dvdrip.
[17:39] <NauarchLysander> Is there a KDE equivalent to update-manager? I just uninstalled everything that had to do with GNOME and now I'm not able to get automatic updates.
[17:40] <Darthfrog> !adept | NauarchLysander
[17:40] <KDesk> Darthfrog: I have already looked at DVD:rip, but it is a bit odd, I have to select every chapter and choose witch codec to use in every.
[17:41] <KDesk> NauarchLysander: You can also install the kubunut-desktop metapackage, or take a look to it
[17:44] <NauarchLysander> Well, I looked at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto. Unfotunately, in my version of Adept (3.0 Beta 4) there is no button labeled 'Fetch Updates'.
[17:45] <pritam> language help
[17:46] <Grubbolo> Hi... How do I mount a floppy in 8.10 ?
[17:47] <KDesk> NauarchLysander: In the adept manager (not installer) in sources there is the option to fetch package list
[17:47] <NauarchLysander> KDesk: That's it?
[17:47] <KDesk> Grubbolo: mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy-mount-point
[17:48] <KDesk> Grubbolo: maybe you have to use -t vfat
[17:48] <KDesk> NauarchLysander: Yes, but you have to use the apdept manager, not the apept add & remove software
[17:48] <larsivi> can I have the new krunner open on Alt+Space?
[17:48] <Grubbolo> KDesk: I installed kde4 in my gf PC... I can't tell her to open a shell :-)
[17:48] <KDesk> NauarchLysander: Search in the K menu for adept and launch the manager option
[17:49] <int3grate>  i'm trying to install 8.10 on a computer, and once i hit enter to install it, the screen goes blank and the monitor says "input out of range"
[17:49] <int3grate> is there anyway to change the x server settings before hitting the install option?
[17:49] <KDesk> Grubbolo: maybe there is a Kfloppy utility, but I dont know cause I dont have floppies anymore
[17:50] <NauarchLysander> KDesk: Yes, it's the Adept Manager. I fetched the packages and now it says that the operation finished successfully and no operation is in progress. Does that mean there are no updates? I did not update my system since last Friday.
[17:50] <KDesk> int3grate: you can also try the alternate cd
[17:50] <KDesk> NauarchLysander: yes, updates are not every day... Sometimes, but onces a week mostly
[17:51] <NauarchLysander> KDesk: OK, thanks for your help.
[17:52] <KDesk> Grubbolo: install from adept kfloppy
[17:52] <int3grate> thanks KDesk, didn't know there was a text based installation cd
[17:52] <pritam> how do i remove the unwanted language pack using shell
[17:53] <KDesk> pritam: sudo apt-get remore language-pack-xx
[17:53] <KDesk> pritam: also language-support-translations-xx
[17:54] <KDesk> language-support-xx
[18:04] <wolf_> i installed 8.10 and my screen flickers ek, you told me to rename/remove the xorg.conf file, I did and then X wont start, and the xorg.conf is completly empty
[18:05] <DaSkreech> wolf_: Boot into the recovery console and choose xfix
[18:06] <KDesk> wolf_: maybe you have to disable the xrandr detect option in system settins
[18:07] <wolf_> DaSkreech: why, the only problem I have is that i cant enable fglrx from the hardware manager (restricted modules)
[18:07] <KDesk> *settings
[18:07] <DaSkreech> Ah
[18:07] <wolf_> KDesk: what is xrandr
[18:08] <KDesk> wolf_: I don't know exactly :) But I have had a similar problem and I have Disabled in System Settings -> Advanced tab ->Service manager and stoped "Detecting RANDER"
[18:09] <valeria> martin_riggs
[18:10] <DaSkreech> Pretty quiet in here
[18:10] <Tm_T> good
[18:11] <irish> Hi everybody! It wouldn't be quiet! Because I have a question.
[18:11] <dr_willis> hmmm
[18:11] <irish>  do you know where I can disable automount for specific USB device in kde 3.5 ? (there is no record in fstab)
[18:12] <dr_willis> i think you would have to make cuseomized hal/udev rules for that specific device
[18:12] <valeria> hello
[18:12] <dr_willis> or perhaps make a fstab entry based on the devices label/uuid -
[18:12] <DaSkreech> !hi | valeria
[18:13] <valeria> Cciao
[18:14] <irish> dr_willis: how to make this rules ? Kde mounts great usb devices exept of my Photo Camera. Whet kde automount finds it and try to mount like a camera - device complitely disapears from /dev/ Help please.
[18:14] <Tm_T> hi hannascott & others
[18:15] <NetersLandreau> hello all.. i updated to kubuntu 8.10 over the weekend with kde 4.1 but no longer have this file and i was wondering if someone may be able to share their copy with me: KDE_Beep_Ahem.wav
[18:15] <x_link> Does anybody here have/had problems with connecting to there wireless?
[18:15] <dr_willis> No idea on the rules.. ive seen guides/examples/tutorials of doing it for specific devices.. but i never really paid much attention to them
[18:15] <hannascott> mmm.... hi Tm_T
[18:15] <dr_willis> My Wireless actually works now under 8.10 :)
[18:16] <valeria> qualcuno mi aiuta????
[18:16] <DaSkreech> !es
[18:16] <DaSkreech> !it
[18:16] <DaSkreech> valeria: ^^^
[18:17] <irish> t
[18:17] <irish> [20:16:39] <ubottu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (click col tasto destro sul nome del canale per entrare)
[18:17] <irish> [20:16:43]  jarek (n=jarek@dxt189.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined channel #kubuntu
[18:17] <irish> [20:16:44] <DaSkreech> valeria: ^^^
[18:17] <Tm_T> irish: ok
[18:17] <irish> Sorrry!!!
[18:17] <x_link> Anybody?
[18:17] <Tm_T> x_link: no problems here, thanks for asking
[18:18] <isaacj87> hey everyone!
[18:18] <irish> NetersLandreau: i can sent you .wav/ Give a e-mail pls.
[18:18] <janorcutt> x_link: you need to find out if its running the right kernel driver module for ur chipset
[18:19] <NetersLandreau> irish: neterslandreau at
[18:19] <NetersLandreau> irish: gmail dor com
[18:19] <NetersLandreau> er dot
[18:20] <valeria> hello I'm an italian student...
[18:20] <x_link> janorcutt: It is.
[18:21] <x_link> janorcutt: I use 2.6.24-21-generic
[18:21] <x_link> Kubuntu Hardy.
[18:21] <x_link> I installed linux-backports-modules-hardy
[18:21] <x_link> janorcutt: Is that what you meant?
[18:21] <irish> NetersLandreau: here you are.
[18:21] <janorcutt> not quite, i had a problem where ubuntu was loading the wrong driver
[18:22] <NetersLandreau> thank you irish :)
[18:22] <janorcutt> if you type modprobe | grep -i -uname wireless it will show you which driver is running
[18:24] <janorcutt> it maybe that its trying to run off the wrong driver, you can change it in network manager
[18:24] <janorcutt> aslong as it's installed
[18:25] <x_link> janorcutt: It's installed yes.
[18:25] <x_link> janorcutt: You have to excuse my english, it isn't that very good.
[18:25] <x_link> janorcutt: I will run that command now.
[18:25] <x_link> modprobe | grep -i -uname wireless
[18:25] <x_link> Should I run that?
[18:25] <janorcutt> yeah it will tell u what drivers running now
[18:27] <stdin> janorcutt: modprobe? you mean "lsmod" ?
[18:27] <stdin> modprobe loads modules, or with -l lists all modules installed
[18:27] <janorcutt> yeah i know sorry long day at work
[18:28] <x_link> janorcutt: Okey, I will run it now.
[18:30] <x_link> janorcutt: That command doesn't work.
[18:30] <x_link> Should I run it with sudo maybe?
[18:32] <janorcutt> no try "lsmod" it will print a load of text to screen. i need help now cuz i can't find my network modules
[18:32] <x_link> lsmod instead of modprobe?
[18:32] <janorcutt> yeah
[18:32] <x_link> OKey.
[18:32] <x_link> Didn't work either.
[18:33] <x_link> sedde@sedde:~$ lsmod | grep -i -uname wireless
[18:33] <x_link> grep: invalid max count
[18:33] <janorcutt> just lsmod sorry
[18:33] <x_link> Hehe okey =)
[18:34] <x_link> janorcutt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/66870/
[18:34] <x_link> janorcutt: I don't understand much of that.
[18:35] <janorcutt> iwl3945, ok this is the one
[18:35] <x_link> Yeah.
[18:35] <janorcutt> whats ur hardware
[18:36] <x_link> janorcutt: I have a Lenovo 3000 N200
[18:36] <stdin> iwl3945.ko: description:    Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG/BG Network Connection driver for Linux
[18:36] <x_link> Intel Dual-Core 1.86GHz, 3GB DDR2, 160GB HDD, Intel X3100 etc.
[18:36] <janorcutt> same 1 i got on my laptop, works in suse but that dont help here
[18:37] <x_link> janorcutt: Hehe
[18:39] <janorcutt> ok try this
[18:39] <janorcutt> sudo rmmod -f iwl3945
[18:40] <janorcutt> sudo modprobe iwl3945 disable_hw_scan=1
[18:40] <janorcutt> if that doesn't work then i dont know
[18:42] <wolf_> ok now i set off the randr auto-detection and my flickering is gone, thx a lot, but I am still not able to enable fglrx in the hardwre- manager for restricted modules
[18:43] <x_link> janorcutt: Sorry, I was talking with a friend on my cell.
[18:43] <x_link> janorcutt: I have already done -> sudo rmmod -f iwl3945 and sudo modprobe irl3945 disable_hw_scan=1
[18:44] <janorcutt> sorry then i dont know... worked 4 me
[18:44] <wolf_> there is a option to use fglrx but when i wnat to enable it it isnt possible
[18:44] <x_link> janorcutt: Okey.
[18:44] <wolf_> i have a radeon gfx card
[18:51] <Rob71> join #ubuntu-it
[18:51] <Rob71> sorry i wrong
[18:52] <buntfalke> hi
[18:52] <buntfalke> Is it normal that print jobs are lost after some time of not being printed?
[18:54] <luis_lopez> Hi, how do I change the appearance of kde3 applications in Intrepid? There is no kcontrol package anymore...
[19:00] <ShishKabab> Hello. I'd like to install 7z on Kubuntu 8.10 with the command 'sudo apt-get install 7z', but I get the error message 'E: Package 7z has no installation candidate'. Any ideas?
[19:01] <x_link> ShishKabab: sudo aptitude install p7zip
[19:02] <x_link> ShishKabab: It didn't work cause there is no file called 7z.
[19:02] <x_link> ShishKabab: aptitude search 7zip will tell you.
[19:03] <ShishKabab> Ok. And I get the same message for ktouch-kde4. Do I need to add an extra repository for KDE4 apps?
[19:03] <x_link> Proberly, don't know for sure.
[19:05] <ShishKabab> The strange this is that when I do sudo apt-get install ktouch <tab> <tab> ktouch-kde4 shows up, but when I do aptitude search ktouch it doesn't.
[19:05] <ShishKabab> Same thing for 7z
[19:06] <x_link> ShishKabab: The file is not called 7z, I just told you that =)
[19:07] <elitrou> hi guys - anyone here running 8.10 on 64bit platform?
[19:08] <ShishKabab> I know, but why does it show up in my tab completion. (I installed p7zip successfuly by the way)
[19:09] <hoonteke> Using Kubuntu Ibex.  How do I change, set, or use my keyboard to switch between virtual desktops/
[19:12] <DaSkreech> hoonteke: With Kwin ^Fn
[19:12] <hoonteke> ah, *there* it is.  thanks, DaSkreech
[19:13] <hoonteke> alright, looking through the shortcuts.  What is the Screen?  As in Screen 0, Screen 1, 2 3 .. etc.
[19:13] <DaSkreech> hoonteke: Monitors
[19:13] <DaSkreech> I think
[19:13] <hoonteke> oh, that's cool.  Good to know for future reference.
[19:13] <DaSkreech> ShishKabab: what doesn't?
[19:13] <DaSkreech> elitrou: Ask your question
[19:14] <DaSkreech> luis_lopez: No clue. Don't know if you can
[19:14] <DaSkreech> buntfalke: 8.10 ?
[19:15] <buntfalke> DaSkreech: uhm...the last kubuntu with 3.5.9
[19:15] <buntfalke> whatever version that was again :-)
[19:15] <ShishKabab> DaSkreech: Lots of things. truecrypt, php5-mysqli, php5-mysqli, kdesvn-kde4, etc.
[19:15] <DaSkreech> 8.04
[19:15] <hoonteke> DaSkreech: is there a way to make my own shortcut?
[19:16] <elitrou> it seems that new xorg takes much more memory
[19:16] <DaSkreech> ShishKabab: When you try tab complete in apt-get ?
[19:16] <elitrou> about 60M here
[19:16] <DaSkreech> hoonteke: To do what? but yes there is
[19:16] <elitrou> right on start
[19:16] <DaSkreech> elitrou: memory usage is a black art in Linux
[19:17] <elitrou> DaSkreech: explain yourself...
[19:17] <ShishKabab> DaSkreech: Yes. And in aptitude.
[19:17] <hoonteke> weird, lost my keyboard for a minute.
[19:18] <hoonteke> DaSkreech.  I like Ctrl+Alt+t to open a terminal.
[19:18] <DaSkreech> elitrou: Xorg may be reporting a certain amount but it's quite likely that a lot of it is also inclusive aof apps that are making heavy ue of xlibs so it's also a lot ofthe programs already open
[19:18] <DaSkreech>  So the same memory gets reported multiple times
[19:19] <hoonteke> elitrou: heh: it's taking double + that here.  xorg has 263m vit, and 110res.  blech!
[19:19] <hoonteke> vit=virt
[19:19] <elitrou> DaSkreech: so it's a bu in a system monitor?
[19:19] <elitrou> bug
[19:19] <DaSkreech> A lot of times if you add up the amount of memory being used by apps it is far far higher than the amount of memory used as the memory is counted upmany times
[19:20] <DaSkreech> elitrou: No it's a side effect of how Linux uses libraries and reuses components
[19:20] <elitrou> and i have 2 xorgs running
[19:20] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[19:20] <DaSkreech> elitrou: They are likely to be using some significant portion of the same resources
[19:20] <DaSkreech> So you will get large uses but maybe 1/4 of it is shared
[19:20] <elitrou> why do i need both?
[19:21] <DaSkreech> elitrou: I don't know you started them :)
[19:21] <DaSkreech> !hi | NetSKaVeN
[19:21] <elitrou> root started them...
[19:21] <elitrou> :)
[19:21] <DaSkreech> Root almost alsways starts them
[19:21] <DaSkreech> unless you ran startx or X yourself
[19:22] <DaSkreech> but there are lots of things that you can press in the GUI that will spawn a new X
[19:22] <elitrou> it starts on the start up
[19:23] <DaSkreech> Ah hmm never noticed that
[19:24] <squid0> hi. what's a good virtual machine/emulator to try an ISO in?
[19:25] <elitrou> and the new 8.10 feels slower than the old 8.04, both running with KDE 4.1.2
[19:25] <sharperguy> Anyone know the easiest way to remove kubuntu-kde4-desktop from ubuntu?
[19:25] <Darthfrog> sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[19:26] <Darthfrog> or sudo apt-get -purge remove kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[19:26] <elitrou> sharperguy: or you can use GUI like synaptic or adept
[19:26] <sharperguy> Umm yeah I tried that but obviously it didn't remove dependencies, and "sudo apt-get autoremove" didn't define them as no longer needed
[19:27] <DaSkreech> squid0: That one that you like
[19:27] <DaSkreech> sharperguy: Remove kdelibs*
[19:27] <sharperguy> hmm ok
[19:27] <sharperguy> wait will that kill amarok-1.4?
[19:27] <DaSkreech> sharperguy: kdelibs5 and kdelibs4c2a
[19:27] <squid0> DaSkreech: oh, which was that again?
[19:28] <DaSkreech> sharperguy: That will remove anything that needs KDE libraries
[19:28] <DaSkreech> sharperguy: just reinstall which app you want at the end
[19:28] <sharperguy> Well I just want to get rid of the kde4 stuff for the desktop
[19:28] <DaSkreech> squid0: Probably virtualbox :)
[19:28] <DaSkreech> sharperguy: This is cleaner.
[19:28] <sharperguy> hmm ok
[19:28] <squid0> DaSkreech: ok. I'm trying qemu
[19:29] <vasilisa> upgraded to kubuntu intrepid, and im having a problem with some programs. It seems when i try to delete a file i get this: Could not start process Unable to create ioslave: unknown protocol 'trash'
[19:29] <DaSkreech> squid0: Oh yeah tat's nice and light. Not gui friendly though
[19:29] <DaSkreech> vasilisa: that's strange
[19:29] <squid0> DaSkreech: there's a wrapper program written in python called qemulatr
[19:29] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: Happens with gwenview and amarok so far
[19:29] <squid0> *qemulator
[19:29] <cisco_> HALP
[19:30] <DaSkreech> vasilisa: Dolphin ?
[19:30] <vasilisa> it allows deletion, but not trash
[19:30] <DaSkreech> !ask | cisco_
[19:30] <cisco_> got my weenie in a bottle baby and i just cant get it out
[19:30] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: Dolphin works fine. so does konqueror
[19:30] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: But thats not where i organize my media
[19:30] <DaSkreech> vasilisa: That's funky.
[19:30] <cisco_>  i organize media in my pubic hair
[19:30] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: Seems like a lot is funky since i upgraded >.<
[19:31] <cisco_> how do i bypass security and get on the interwebs
[19:31] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: I couldnt get keyboard shortcuts to work AT ALL, so i had to install xhotkeys and use that
[19:31] <DaSkreech> !ops | cisco_ is being fun
[19:31] <sharperguy> cisco_, the GAME not get out
[19:31] <vasilisa> none of these problems are just me, google-fu finds them, but no one has answers.
[19:31] <DaSkreech> vasilisa: Did you have any shortcut keys defined in configure -> Configure shortcuts ?
[19:31] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: Yes.
[19:32] <DaSkreech> blaaa
[19:32] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: I tried EVERYTHING, believe me ;)
[19:32] <DaSkreech> THanks PriceChild
[19:32] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: I finally checked disable khotkeys, deleted all the shortcuts, removed all the kmenu shortcuts, and used xbindkeys entirely. and it works.
[19:33] <DaSkreech> You really shouldnt have to do that :-(
[19:33] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[19:33] <irish> Why when I plug in my Olympus usb camera firstly it appears in /dev/ like /dev/sdb1 and after kde tries to mount it, it disappears from /dev/ and kde says: no such device ?
[19:33] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: Its worse. Every time i go to configure shortcuts, the list of shortcut options doubles.
[19:33] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: so its like "konsole konsole konsole konsole konsole..."
[19:34] <DaSkreech> vasilisa: run that by me again. The list of actions that you can assign a shortcut to grows?
[19:34] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: Yep. Dupilcate entries.
[19:34] <DaSkreech> irish: how does KDE try to mount iy?
[19:34] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: its like its loading the list into itself
[19:34] <DaSkreech> vasilisa: like  set of duplicates then 2 sets then 3 sets etc ?
[19:34] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: yep
[19:35] <DaSkreech> Upgrade?
[19:35] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: This is a fresh install, so ive done nothing lol
[19:35] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: No, fresh from a cd
[19:35] <DaSkreech> with an existing home parition?
[19:35] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: no, i formatted the root partition
[19:36] <DaSkreech> Right but you  had a  home partition?
[19:36] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: I did, but i had accidently "sudo rm *" in /usr/lib, so i had to format that whole partition
[19:36] <vasilisa> my /home is on the same partition as /
[19:37] <DaSkreech> ah that sucks
[19:37] <vasilisa> i keep personal data on a data partition
[19:37] <DaSkreech> ok now that's confusing
[19:37] <DaSkreech>  /home is your personal data :)
[19:37] <vasilisa> nah, i use it to hold the .app config directories
[19:37] <vasilisa> and the Desktop folder
[19:38] <irish> DaSkreech: it opens USB Storage Interface window and asks what to do. I select open in new window, Dolphin opens with blank window and in the bottom of window written: Can't read file ....
[19:38] <DaSkreech> irish:
[19:38] <Ketrel> I edited the config options in Print Manager to change "Cups Server" user to another name.
[19:38] <DaSkreech> ok When that opens dont click anything open dolphin and go to /dev and highlight the entry for the camera
[19:38] <Ryunix> i am trying to install a plasmoid ( Toggle-Compositing 0.2.1 ) but i get this error http://pastebin.com/d61b7d38c anyone can help me out ?
[19:38] <DaSkreech> then click ok and see if it disappaears then
[19:38] <Ketrel> And that gives the desirable results when I use something like kate or kwrite, however when I run open office, it still sends jobs as mself
[19:38] <DaSkreech> I want to see if it's hal or KDE making it go away
[19:39] <Ketrel> is there any way to change that?
[19:39] <DaSkreech> Ketrel: Look how Openoffice handles printing?
[19:39] <Ketrel> It does not have any option to define the name as far as I saw
[19:39] <Ketrel> Is there any way to change it system wide
[19:40] <DaSkreech> Change it in cups
[19:40] <DaSkreech> But that's assuming that everyone uses CUPS and respects the changes made in it
[19:40] <Ryunix> anyone can help me ? ^
[19:41] <DaSkreech> Ryunix: Where are you installing it from?
[19:41] <Ketrel> DaSkreech: and how do I do that, I don't see any way in CUPS to change the name used
[19:41] <DaSkreech> vasilisa: https://launchpad.net/bugs/220940
[19:41]  * DaSkreech shrugs. I dunno I know if you change it in KDE all KDE apps respect it but OO.o is not a KDE app
[19:41] <DaSkreech> It's not even a Gnome app so it won't respect a Gnome wide change either
[19:42] <Ryunix> daSkreech: ~/.plasmoids
[19:42] <Ketrel> But changing it in CUPS is what I'm trying now, is there no way to do that?
[19:42] <DaSkreech> Ryunix: There is a package for extra plasmoids available I think that's included in there did you install that?
[19:42] <DaSkreech> Ketrel: No clue
[19:42] <Ryunix> no
[19:42] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: *blinks*
[19:42] <Ryunix> thnx
[19:43] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: This is a vague bug
[19:44] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: migration issues....
[19:45] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: But i didnt do an upgrade, i installed directly
[19:45] <Koordin> hi
[19:45] <DaSkreech> Yeah but I can't think of what else I can put so that you can post a whole slew of bugs in one plce
[19:45] <DaSkreech> !hi
[19:46] <irish> DaSkreech: I cant check now. It remembered my choice and try to open it automatically. I should logoff and logon and connect Camera again ?
[19:46] <vasilisa> wow... this is a problem >.<
[19:46] <vasilisa> well im not worried about the shortcut problem, because i fixed it. but not being able to send to trash in gwenview and amarok is epic fail
[19:46] <DaSkreech> irish: You should just be able to disconnect the camera and reconnect
[19:46] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: Ever heard of that?
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> heard of what?
[19:47] <Koordin> i've upgraded to 8.10, and now the X server does not start automatically, there is this error : first it says in a window that it did not find the oxygen theme and then in the console "Not starting K Display Manager (kdm-kde4) : it is not the default display manager" ; i have to 'startx' in tty1 in order to launch the xserver, and there are some bugs of display ; could someone help me ?
[19:48] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: ioslave trash existing for some apps but not others
[19:48] <DaSkreech> Koordin: sudo apt-get install kdm-kde4 --reinstall
[19:49] <DaSkreech> Tell it that you want it to be the default DM when it asks
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> I know trash won't work for digikam
[19:49] <DaSkreech> Why?
[19:49] <DaSkreech> SHould work for Gwenview though
[19:49] <vasilisa> bet its the same reason
[19:49] <vasilisa> the problem is definately in klauncher.
[19:49] <vasilisa> thats the error message
[19:50] <vasilisa> Im sure the KDE guys are working on fixing this
[19:50] <Koordin> DaSkreech: i have this error when i try to install kdm-kde4
[19:50] <Koordin> http://pastebin.com/d1c60a0f7
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> DaSkreech: digikam for kde3 doesn't use the kioslave, :P
[19:51] <sourcemaker> is there a release date for kde 4.1.3?
[19:51] <DaSkreech> Koordin: Of course :) just use kdm in the comman
[19:51] <DaSkreech> d
[19:51] <DaSkreech> sourcemaker: yes
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> sourcemaker: Nov 5
[19:52] <sourcemaker> JontheEchidna: thanks
[19:52] <sourcemaker> JontheEchidna: next problem... i have a fonts rendering problem... a lots of fonts are ugly... on a mouse over... everthink is fine... how can I solve?
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> sourcemaker: any way you could get a screenshot?
[19:53] <DaSkreech> vasilisa: what error?
[19:54] <Koordin> but DaSkreech i was already  having another problem before installing kdm ; and then i installed it and i think that it is now the default display manager and there is now this error (that says that the oxygen was not found ; etc.)
[19:54] <DaSkreech> Koordin: What are you trying to do?
[19:54] <Koordin> DaSkreech: i'm trying to have the display of the desktop at the startup of my machine with no error
[19:54] <vasilisa> DaSkreech: in amarok/gwenview, the error comes from klauncher
[19:55] <Koordin> and without having to write 'startx'
[19:55] <DaSkreech> vasilisa: ok
[19:55] <DaSkreech> Koordin: reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[19:56] <Koordin> DaSkreech: i think that i've already tried ; but i'll try again
[19:56] <Koordin> i'll reboot and tell you
[19:57] <vasilisa> oh wells.
[19:58] <vasilisa> see you guys, thanks for listening to my problem
[19:59] <irish> There is no difference if I press "open in another window" or don't
[20:00] <Ramblurr> Woo!  http://digg.com/software/Amarok_2_0_beta_3_Ataksak_released Everybody Digg it!
[20:00] <irish> If hal is stopped camera appears in /dev like /dev/sde1
[20:01] <Koordin> DaSkreech: i always have the same error message : "Can not open theme file /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/oxygen"
[20:01] <isaacj87> Ramblurr: sweet! do you know which repo it'll hit?
[20:01] <Koordin> and then, in the console "Not starting K Display Manager (kdm-kde4) ; it is not the default display manager"
[20:01] <Ramblurr> isaacj87: packagers got it several days ago.. it will hit intrepid for sure
[20:01] <Ramblurr> not sure about hardy
[20:01] <Koordin> does someone have an idea ?
[20:02] <DaSkreech> Koordin: install kde-icons-oxygen
[20:02] <Koordin> "kde-icons-oxygen is already the newest version."
[20:03] <isaacj87> Ramblurr: do you mean it'll be in the Kubuntu-Members PPA? or the actual intrepid repos?
[20:03] <Koordin> DaSkreech: i reinstall it ?
[20:03] <richard> evening everyone
[20:03] <DaSkreech> oxygen-cursor-theme
[20:03] <irish>  DaSkreech: camera doesn't appear in /dev . If I stop hal it appears after camera reconnect. And even kernel logs are different
[20:03] <Koordin> DaSkreech: also already installed
[20:04] <Koordin> ping
[20:05] <Koordin> forgot the '/', sorry
[20:06] <Ramblurr> isaacj87: ask JontheEchidna
[20:06] <isaacj87> Ramblurr: will do. thanks :)
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> There are instructions for beta2 at kubuntu.org
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> in about an hour and a half those instructions should allow you to install beta3
[20:07] <isaacj87> JontheEchidna: Thanks!
[20:08] <JontheEchidna> gotta wait for the packages to build on the server
[20:08] <Koordin> hi i had this problem after upgrading to 8.10 : now when i try to boot i have this error message in a window : "Can not open theme file /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/oxygen" ; and then in the console : "Not starting K Display Manager (kdm-kde4) ; it is not the default display manager". Then in order to launch xserver i have to write 'startx' in tty1 and it works but it is a little buggy. Could someone help me ?
[20:09] <isaacj87> JontheEchidna: Ah. I see, I was checking the PPA to see if the packages were currently being built. I guess that explains it.
[20:09] <JontheEchidna> yup
[20:10] <richardbh> hi - how can I install a screensaver? Ive just installed kubuntu but I only have a blank and a random screensave
[20:10] <isaacj87> richardbh: you have to install the screensaver package
[20:10] <isaacj87> richardbh: let me find out what it's called again
[20:10] <richardbh> isaacj87: thanks
[20:11] <richardbh> any reason its not installed by default?
[20:11] <Koordin> kscreensaver ?
[20:11] <isaacj87> richardbh: yup, Koordin's got it
[20:11] <ChrisMir> Would be the obvious, wouldn't it? ;-)
[20:11] <isaacj87> richardbh: kscreensaver package
[20:12] <Timmy> Koordin: Any reason for the ping?
[20:12] <bobesponja> Timmy: I got that too, probably to get our attention
[20:12] <isaacj87> ChrisMir: No....;)
[20:12] <Timmy> Bah
[20:12] <Timmy> Back to ssh
[20:12] <Koordin> Timmy: i tried /ping #kubuntu i wasn't thinking that it will ping everyone
[20:12] <TimS> Ah
[20:12] <irish> Daskreech: if I am logged out from kde - my USB canera successfully appears in /dev
[20:13] <richardbh> isaacj87, Koordin, thanks
[20:13] <ChrisMir> Hmmz, Kontakt resizes to a small format sometimes, when I pop it up from the systray. Really annoying :/
[20:13] <ChrisMir> Anyone else having that?
[20:14] <isaacj87> I've found that OpenSUSE 11.1 beta 3 doesn't have corrupted icons for the systray, however 8.10 does...what gives and is there any fix?
[20:15] <DaSkreech> irish: and going back into KDE makes it disappear again ?
[20:16] <andypls1> how can i check if a file exists, using bash?
[20:16] <Koordin> hi i had this problem after upgrading to 8.10 : now when i try to boot i have this error message in a window : "Can not open theme file /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/oxygen" ; and then in the console : "Not starting K Display Manager (kdm-kde4) ; it is not the default display manager". Then in order to launch xserver i have to write 'startx' in tty1 and it works but it is a little buggy. Could someone help me ?
[20:18] <crux> Hi Koordin. Maybe try in the gt4-setting to activate another theme.
[20:18] <irish> DaSkreech: yes. It disappears after login
[20:18] <Koordin> gt4-settings ?
[20:18] <Koordin> where is that crux ?
[20:19] <aguitel> how i scheduled task in kubuntu ?
[20:19] <crux> oh, I mean qt4-settings
[20:20] <Koordin> ok
[20:20] <Koordin> crux: i've already tried this solution and my selected them for the widget style is 'Plastique'
[20:20] <Koordin> theme*
[20:21] <crux> ok. But if it doesn't work I can't help you any more
[20:21] <Koordin> maybe it is not here that i have to change the theme ?
[20:22] <crux> or look if the theme oxygen is in your kde-folder
[20:23] <aguitel> how i scheduled task in kubuntu ?
[20:30] <mek_> anyone a clue if the keyboard mapping changed in some way from 8.04 to 8.10
[20:30] <irish> DaSkreech: do you know how to change KDE rules for specific usb devices ? Maybe it is possible to disable atomatic reaction on this camera ? Kde sees it like a photocam and tries to load some drivers (it writes so in Dolphin status bar). But If kde saw it like regular usb flash drive it'll be great.
[20:30] <mek_> have a problem with freeNX and not properly mapped keys (like the cursor keys)
[20:37] <Adam24> hoe do install a bluetooth wireless keyboard under KDE?
[20:38] <scribbles> does apache come with 8.10?
[20:38] <mek_> anyone with a clue about knetwork manager and how it discovers a 3g-modem and how I can define/override the ttyUSB to use
[20:39] <mek_> ttyUSB0 is detected but the one for the data needs to be ttyUSB2,...
[20:39] <Dragonath> is there a channel for amarok?
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> #amarok
[20:40] <vlt> scribbles: apache is availbale for 8.10
[20:40] <Dragonath> thanks
[20:41] <scribbles> apt-get install apache2?
[20:42] <marcus_> Hello everyone.
[20:42] <webmaren> anybody have a fix for the taskbar going all funky when OO.o is open?
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> about the only way to not get that is to not use the nvidia driver
[20:43] <marcus_> I've had a problem...
[20:43] <webmaren> darn...
[20:43] <vlt> !ask | marcus_
[20:44] <marcus_> When my laptop is plugged in and charging, USB devices return a, "read/all error -71". Is this a kernel issue?
[20:44] <marcus_> OK, sorry. Just a few questions.
[20:44] <vlt> marcus_: Where is it "plugged in"?
[20:44] <webmaren> well, does anybody know how to get PulseAudio to work
[20:44] <marcus_> At the mains.
[20:45] <vlt> marcus_: Just power, no docking station involved, right?
[20:45] <marcus_> Yeah, just power.
[20:45] <vlt> marcus_: Hmm, then I don't know.
[20:46] <marcus_> vlt: Checking the logs, it's just the kernel complaining whenever I've plugged in a USB device while its charging...
[20:46] <marcus_> vlt: I didn't have this problem before Kubuntu 8.10, but I think it's just the kernel that's the problem. Is there a way to downgrade the kernel without the rest of the OS?
[20:47] <scribbles> I installed package "apache2-docs" where do I find these docs at?
[20:47] <marcus_> scribbles: I think, "docs" can translate as, "man pages" + some HTML versions. Try, "man -k apache2".
[20:47] <marcus_> In a terminal*
[20:48] <scribbles> why -k?
[20:48] <marcus_> scribbles: "-k" does a search of the man page names and short descriptions.
[20:49] <marcus_> scribbles: "man man" if you're not sure. :p
[20:49] <marcus_> I can't be the only person to do that just for the humour.
[20:50] <scribbles> definitely not, the ever classic "man mount"
[20:50] <aguitel> how i schedule task in kubuntu ?
[20:51] <marcus_> aguitel: Tasks as in everyday tasks, or tasks as in processes and applications?
[20:51] <aguitel> marcus_: in processes
[20:52] <aguitel> marcus_: in ubuntu i use gnome-schedule
[20:53] <marcus_> aguitel: Ah, I'm afraid I don't know then.
[20:54] <marcus_> aguitel: I'm not sure whether there is a KDE task scheduler or not, and what it's called if there is.
[20:54] <aguitel> marcus_: ok
[20:54] <marcus_> aguitel: KAlarm actually can execute commands as well, if that's what you're interested in.
[20:56] <Ryunix> im trying to install open arena 0.8 from get deb, but now i have downloaded the .deb file, Gdebi wont open it.. it loads up and then closes without any error message
[20:57] <deepi> hi, i have a problem with my network! ... i have kubuntu
[20:58] <deepi> i configure the network i enable but internet don't work
[20:58] <deepi> give me another ip... not' da real
[21:00] <marcus_> deepi: Is your computer connected to the network via Wireless?
[21:00] <deepi> no
[21:00] <deepi> cable
[21:00] <deepi> utp
[21:01] <marcus_> deepi: OK. Have you checked http://kubuntu.org for known issues with Intrepid? There was something about configuring KNetworkManager to use static I.P adresses.
[21:01] <deepi> i don't find
[21:02] <sd2> kde 4.1.2 in intrepid, systray icons are disapearing!? is there a way to fix it?
[21:02] <marcus_> deepi: give me a second...
[21:02] <deepi> tnx
[21:03] <marcus_> sd2: Disappearing and leaving a space, or disappearing and closing the space?
[21:04] <sd2> I can use them but they sometimes are transparent squares
[21:05] <sd2> so not disappearing but looking bad
[21:06] <MariachiElf> I'm having a problem with the scroll wheel on my mouse
[21:06] <MariachiElf> It seems that scrolling down goes 3 lines as expected, but scrolling up seems to page down
[21:06] <MariachiElf> Any thoughts?
[21:08] <marcus_> Sorry, I have to go for now.
[21:20] <RyuSoft> ok this is wierd, i added the spring engine repo's to the sources.list and i installed them through terminal but i cant remove them through adept or synaptic o.o
[21:21] <RyuSoft> when i search spring it doesnt show up
[21:21] <RyuSoft> anyone know what the problem could be?
[21:21] <mdr> 8.04  I need to install a new video card.  Is there a link wiki "how-to" or faq for removing and adding hardware?
[21:22] <RyuSoft> i am using intrepid ibex
[21:22] <favro> RyuSoft: try in terminal    apt-cache policy "spring_package_name"   what does that return?
[21:22] <RyuSoft> k
[21:24] <RyuSoft> favro: http://pastebin.com/d5959a384
[21:26] <marcus_> OK, so to my dismay, it isn't the kernel that's the problem...
[21:26] <RyuSoft> huh?
[21:26] <marcus_> Never mind.
[21:27] <favro> RyuSoft: so it is installed and doesn't show in adept? - do sudo apt-get remove spring then
[21:27] <marcus_> Does anyone know how to stop anacron from starting whenever I plug the charger into my laptop?
[21:28] <umer> Hey guys, I am normally a Ubuntu user, but I thought I'd give KDE 4.1 a try since I've heard that its pretty good with intrepid. But I have a question. I have the HP dv4t which has touch sensitive volume, and media control buttons. They work flawlessly in Ubuntu, but I don't know how to get them working in Kubuntu.
[21:30] <DaSkreech> hi tackat
[21:30] <DaSkreech> umer: Far as I know thy should work is kmilo installed?
[21:30] <umer> I don't  know, I'll try installing it to see what happens
[21:31] <mdr> Where can I find suggestions for how to install replace or upgrade hardware (specifically the video card) in *ubuntu Hardy?
[21:32] <trappist> mdr: I replaced my nvidia card with an ati card and it just worked, didn't have to touch a thing
[21:32] <umer> DaSkreech: Apt-get says, "Package kimilo is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source."
[21:32] <trappist> !info kimilo
[21:34] <umer> !info kmilo
[21:34] <DaSkreech> Ah right
[21:34] <DaSkreech> mdr: Sorry?
[21:35] <RyuSoft> !info spring
[21:37] <mdr> DaSkreech: Sorry for what?
[21:37] <DaSkreech> mek_: That was for umer
[21:37] <DaSkreech> !search spring
[21:38] <favro> RyuSoft: it was a ppa so it won't show as an intrepid package
[21:38] <sourcemaker> I am using gtkpod... but I receive a permission denied error... saving music to my ipod...
[21:38] <sourcemaker> how can solve this problem?
[21:38] <DaSkreech> RyuSoft: TA Spring?
[21:38] <sourcemaker> with dolphin... I can create files and directories without problems
[21:38] <pyntix> quick question: i have an old NVidia MX 420, should i use the nvidia-glx or the nvidia-glx-legacy driver?
[21:38] <MariachiElf> Should I use the xorg.conf file that vmware-tools made for me or stick with the default configuration file (which seems to be pretty much empty)
[21:39] <RyuSoft> DaSkreech yeh i reinstalled synaptic and i think it worked ... now i can see apps from repositories i already had installed
[21:39] <favro> pyntix: I think those cards are limited to nv in intrepid - see the release note
[21:39] <pyntix> oh i dont have intrepid
[21:39] <pyntix> i have 6.06
[21:40] <favro> pyntix: then the legacy driver iirc
[21:40] <pyntix> ok
[21:43] <RyuSoft> guess im gonna have to always use synaptic even when i love using a kde enviroment.. in hardy adept clashed with my router so i used synaptic and now intrepid it no longer clashes but now it doesnt even read the sources.list ... ¬¬
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> what does it say when it tries?
[21:44] <RyuSoft> nothing no error
[21:45] <RyuSoft> it just loads up the repo list too fast and i cant see the log after and when i try to search something from a repository i added it wont show up
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> oh
[21:46] <favro> tried the reload button?
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> currently adept doesn't automatically update the xapian index. It was accidentally disabled since it takes forever
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> you can manually build it with sudo update-apt-xapian-index
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> we're trying to enable it smartly so that it only updates the index when it needs to (adding a new repo for example)
[21:47] <RyuSoft> i installed intrepid yesterday night and i configured it this morning and in the process i got an error for ttf-dejavu and everything i installed after that was plagues with the ttf-dejavu error which crashed adept and even a dpkg --configure -a did nothing only a "defoma w/e .. " which i was hinted afterwards fixed that ttf-dejavu error
[21:48] <RyuSoft> plagued*
[21:49] <RyuSoft> but i think all the apps i installed while i was getting the ttf-dejavu error they corrupted? dunno but a reinstallation of synaptic fixed the repo thing
[21:50] <ahmedb> Hey guys, I have this problem: "Cannot mix incompatible Qt libraries" any clue?
[21:51] <RyuSoft> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/d71d7087e
[21:52] <RyuSoft> help me out dude u is a guru
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> Ryunix: gotta run it with sudo
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> ahmedb: in intrepid?
[21:53] <Ryunix> oh lol k
[21:53] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: yes .. this happened after the upgrade from hardy
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> ahmedb: got kde-nightly installed?
[21:53] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: you mean kde-nightly the package?
[21:53] <ahmedb> no
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> the kde-nightly packages, yes
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[21:54] <ahmedb> but I have a separate qt installation on /opt
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> that is probably the problem
[21:54] <ahmedb> I think that including the backports or the kde-members repo in the sources list may caused the problem
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> the only way I know to fix it is to remove the other Qt installation
[21:55] <Ryunix> JontheEchidna: thnx dude the command worked
[21:55] <ahmedb> so I removed them from sources .. ran apt-get clean .. then reinstalled libqt packages
[21:55] <ahmedb> still nothing
[21:55] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: so I won't be able to install a bleeding edge kde-svn?
[21:56] <ahmedb> but this separate qt did not cause problems on hardy!!
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> I guess not. I wish I knew how to resolve it too :(
[21:56] <Ryunix> JontheEchidna for some reason it fixed the .deb file problem i was having with gdebi
[21:57] <Ryunix> well i mean i no longer have that problem i dont know if it was the command which fixed it
[21:57] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: how do I uninstall that qt?
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> ahmedb: I'm assuming you installed it by hand?
[21:57] <ahmedb> yes
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> go to the source directory and sudo make uninstall
[21:58] <ahmedb> ok then thank you very much .. I will try to uninstall it and I will see if the problem vanishes
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> it could be that the issue was just masked in hardy since we used /usr/lib/kde4 for our packages
[21:59] <Logi> why is it that I can find sun-java6-jdk in aptitude but not adept?
[22:01] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: and how did that change in intrepid jon?
[22:01] <ahmedb> no more /usr/lib/kde4?
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> it installs to where programs are usually installed, /usr
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> paths had to be explicitly set to look in /usr/lib/kde4 for kde4 programs
[22:04] <ahmedb> oh .. now it goes with other programs .. I see .. and how is kde3 in intrepid is it still there?
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> not as a desktop
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> apps that don't have kde4 versions like digikam or amarok are still there
[22:04] <ahmedb> so only the libs I assume?
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> libs and the apps that don't have kde4 stable versions
[22:04] <thomas_> can someone help me get my graphics driver installed?
[22:04] <Logi> no idea why aptitude and adept would show different packages? Does anyonw see the sun-java6-jdk package in adept?
[22:05] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: thank you very much .. the uninstall qt thing worked (at least for now .. since the new vlc opened successfully) .. now to go face other issues with the intrepid upgrade :)
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> :)
[22:06] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: I will try to contact the kde guys to update their manual for building latest qt and kde .. since with this last intrepid release, their stuff will be outdated and may cause a lot of troubles for users
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> the issue could be on our end for all we know, I wouldn't tell them to go fix it just yet :P
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> technically things in /opt can't interfere with other things
[22:08] <ahmedb> well .. perhaps you are right ;) .. I hope you can know what caused the problem .. I assume you currently don't have a separate kde svn
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> we'll be making 4.2 snapshot builds in the near fututre
[22:09] <ahmedb> thomas_: what is the problem?
[22:09] <Pliskin> hello :) does someone know why vlc 0.9 requires Qt and Gtk in Intrepid ?
[22:09] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: this will be great .. and in a totally separate session on its own .. this will be great
[22:09] <ahmedb> Pilskin: because the new release has a new Qt interface I assume
[22:10] <Pliskin> ahmedb : Yes, I know, but why Gtk ?
[22:10] <ahmedb> Pilskin: hmm .. not sure .. may something transitional for the Gnome guys .. I am not sure
[22:11] <Pliskin> ok, thanks, ahmedb
[22:11] <orsogrigio> Hi
[22:11] <ahmedb> Pilskin: wait
[22:11] <winterelf> hi, anyone knows why i cant find glib-config in my apt? i want to install xmms menualy but when i did ./confugure i says i need glib-config first
[22:12] <ahmedb> Pilskin: because I have just installed vlc and no gtk libs were asked
[22:12] <orsogrigio> anyone test vmware on Intrepid
[22:13] <Pliskin> ahmedb : http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/vlc
[22:14] <Pliskin> maybe, it was already installed
[22:14] <Pliskin> the gtk libs, I mean
[22:14] <Linuturk> anyone have any tips for getting dual monitors setup right in Intrepid?
[22:15] <DaSkreech> orsogrigio: Should work
[22:16] <Ch1ppy> Hey, ever since I updated to 8.10 KOrganizer reminders have stopped, among other things, and I get the error "Could not connect to host localhost: Unknown error." Can anyone help me out?
[22:16] <orsogrigio> DaSkreech: I try ba
[22:21] <ahmedb> guys .. is the adept manager in intrepid finished?? or it is still incomplete?
[22:21] <matisse> hi
[22:21] <ahmedb> hey
[22:21] <matisse> can somebody tell me, why my keyboard doesn't work, if my pc boots without a mouse plugged in ?
[22:22] <ahmedb> PS/2?
[22:23] <matisse> yes
[22:24] <matisse> but the mouse is just usb, serial isnt even recognized...
[22:24] <ahmedb> sorry matisse I don't know .. but I hate PS/2 .. If I were you I'd ditch PS/2 for usb
[22:24] <ahmedb> there are cheap ps2 to usb converters even
[22:25] <matisse> :)
[22:25] <matisse> i got one... for the other direction :)
[22:25] <ahmedb> hmm maybe these are the ones I meant :D
[22:27] <villoni> Bonjours
[22:27] <Copelia> J'ai une question svp
[22:28] <Copelia> Quelqu'un peut m'aider
[22:29] <DaSkreech> !fr
[22:31] <MariachiElf> Anyone dealt with a scroll wheel probably recently?  It seems that when I wheel up -- it sends a page down
[22:36] <Dragnslicer> Anyone know how to fix a USB mouse that suddenly doesn't respond?
[22:37] <Dragnslicer> Tried unplugging it and plugging it in to a different USB port, and nothing
[22:42] <armando> hola disculpen cual es la direccion de sala de chat para ubunut
[22:42] <DaSkreech> !es
[22:42] <matisse> Hallo, ich hab mal eine Frage
[22:43] <condon> Anyone speak more than a couple sentences in German?
[22:43] <DaSkreech> !de
[22:44] <condon> Thanks Da, was about to break open a translator :)
[22:44] <matisse> thought you knew the language too :)
[22:44] <matisse> @DaSkreech
[22:45] <condon> Just enough where I probably could have translated your question to the rest of the room after a minute or two
[22:45] <DaSkreech> enough to understand not enough to impart information
[22:45] <condon> But since you speak english, we're golden :)
[22:46] <matisse> condon: golden = goldrichtig =
[22:46] <matisse> ?
[22:46] <condon> lol, no idea, thought richtig was right...correct
[22:46] <matisse> i'm confused...
[22:47] <condon> lol, ignore me
[22:47] <matisse> do you speak german or not ? :)
[22:47] <condon> Golden means great
[22:47] <condon> God no
[22:47] <matisse> ah, k
[22:48] <Mixed_--_> for wireless, which one is better, wep or wpa??
[22:48] <condon> I could translate the big words, I know the basics of speech, could have used online translators to get the just of what you were saying, see what they all had to say about it, and spend another 5-10 minutes doing the same to convert the english answer back to german :)
[22:48] <matisse> richtig = right, thats correct
[22:48] <imrago> wpa is more secure
[22:49] <Mixed_--_> imrago:  thanks, im goig to try and see if i ca get wpa up and running with my laptop, be back in a few
[22:49] <matisse> condon: well, i just wanted to test DaSkreech if he know this language too (after helping the french and spanish one)
[22:49] <condon> So, did you actually have a question?]
[22:49] <condon> AHHH, lol
[22:49] <condon> I see
[22:49] <condon> devious
[22:49] <matisse> yeah :)
[22:49] <condon> Well, he knows his resources if not German :)
[22:50] <DaSkreech> Yeah I looked away
[22:50] <mot_> anybody know how to get the audigy nx (usb) with alsa to simulate 5.1 surround output instead of stereo?
[22:51] <mot_> i know there's a snippet or something that you can put in your ~/.asoundrc file but i can't find it
[22:51] <matisse> my question: why does my keyboard not work, if my pc boots without a mouse plugged in ?
[22:52] <condon> Is it a wireless set up and you've got the wireless receiver unplugged?
[22:53] <matisse> no, just ps/2 (and the mouse usb)
[22:53] <Ash-Fox> Right, I am in a bit of a sticky situation, so I'd like to know the best way to do this. My current install has been, upgraded from dapper, to the next kubuntu, next and next until intrepid. I've collected so much crud over the upgrades now. I'd like to reinstall my system from a fresh.. almost. I don't have the space to make proper backups of my /home directory.
[22:53] <condon> hm...that is peculiar.
[22:53] <Ash-Fox> What would be the recommended method for simply reinstalling Kubuntu on a partition that just has say.. /home ?
[22:54] <DaSkreech> Ash-Fox: Do you have a ~ partition ?
[22:54] <matisse> you use interesting words :) i like that. At least I have learned some English in this channel ;)
[22:55] <Ash-Fox> DaSkreech, nope! :) I'm guessing the best way to do this is to boot up from a livecd, delete all the paths but /home, perhaps move /home to another filename and just install kubuntu ontop and then move my files into my home directory.
[22:55] <DaSkreech> Ash-Fox: you need to get the files off of the partition
[22:55] <DaSkreech> what's du -sh /home say ?
[22:55] <Ash-Fox> DaSkreech, I can tell kubuntu installer not to format the partition, no?
[22:56] <DaSkreech> Yes but then what's the point of the scorched earth ?
[22:56] <Ash-Fox> DaSkreech, I can delete all the other paths and start with a more or less fresh system that way. I was just tryign to consult you guys on the best way to do this since I just do not have the space to put the data anywhere else at this point in time.
[22:58] <DaSkreech> Ash-Fox: you will have to format the /
[22:59] <DaSkreech> Ash-Fox: Find the space. Go to a friends house or have them come to you and use their computer as temporary storage
[22:59] <beta-guy> I like how wine works on kubuntu now, it's just point and click like in windows :p
[23:00] <Ash-Fox> DaSkreech, well thanks for the advice. I'll just stick to my method as I have litterally no other options.
[23:11] <DaSkreech> Ash-Fox: Borrow an external drive
[23:12] <Ash-Fox> DaSkreech, again, I don't have that option. If I did, I would of done it.
[23:12] <DaSkreech> Well the installer is going to wipe / which has /home
[23:13] <opensorce> Anyone know if Cairo-dock is available for 8.10?
[23:13] <DaSkreech> !info cario-dock
[23:13] <DaSkreech> !info cairo-dock
[23:13] <opensorce> that sucks
[23:13] <DaSkreech> Yes it is
[23:14] <Ash-Fox> DaSkreech, I guess I could boot off the livecd then, delete the non-/home paths, shrink the partition, create a new partition for root.
[23:14] <opensorce> so apt-get install cairo-dock ?
[23:14] <DaSkreech> Ash-Fox: If you want to drastically break your system I'd suggest getting the alternate ISO
[23:20] <aes53> how to get ALSACTL RESTORE to work at reboot?
[23:20] <aes53> IE, want to save my alsamixer settings.
[23:22] <winterelf> hi, anyone know any software that plays radio? i tried streamtuner but it need xmms and xmms is imposiable to install on kubuntu , so anyone?
[23:23] <Ash-Fox> winterelf, amarok
[23:24] <cuznt> winterelf do you have an attenna and tuner connected to your pc?
[23:24] <cuznt> you need some sort of antenna and tuner i would believe
[23:25] <aianer> Hi, I'm currently on with the new 8.10 live cd and first time browsing around with ubuntu... i saw adept is installed on the live cd, but there are *very* few packages - are there more when installed, or must I add other sources?
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> it could be that the universe repositories aren't installed on the livecd. they are enabled after install iirc
[23:27] <aianer> Is proprietary software like Opera or Flash in official repositories?
[23:28] <sfears>  i've had this linksys card (wpc300n) working before using ndiswrapper in 8.04.. ndiswrapper says Lsbmcds.inf is being used.. and "windows wireless drivers" also shows that driver with hardware detected and being used.. however, knetwork manager still doesn't show any wireless networks.  Any ideas how to resolve this?
[23:28] <favro> aianer: opera is in the medibuntu repo
[23:28] <suchilipo> i have an acer apire 5100, i can't configure the integrated webcam, someone could help me?
[23:28] <ardchoille> favro: Isn't opera also in partner? it is for Hardy
[23:29] <favro> it might be...
[23:29] <aianer> I'm sorry, but I'm from another distro - what do I have to do if a "packe is in medibuntu / partner"?
[23:29] <favro> !medibuntu
[23:30] <ardchoille> aianer: medibuntu and partner are two spearate repos
[23:31] <DaSkreech> !opera
[23:32] <aianer> Thank you. One last question, if you don't mind: I've got an Canon Pixma MP510 Scanner/Printer-Combo. Where can I look up wether it is supported under 64 bit kubuntu?
[23:32] <DaSkreech> !camera
[23:32] <DaSkreech> What?
[23:32]  * DaSkreech kicks the bot
[23:32] <DaSkreech> Wait it's not a camera
[23:32] <DaSkreech> Umm
[23:32] <DaSkreech> >_>
[23:32] <DaSkreech> !scanner
[23:32] <DaSkreech> ^_^
[23:32] <aianer> Okay, I take a guess
[23:32] <aianer> !printer
[23:33] <DaSkreech> !webcam | suchilipo Read this ?
[23:33] <suchilipo> i have an acer apire 5100, i can't configure the integrated webcam, someone could help me?
[23:34] <favro> !webcam | suchilipo best I can do
[23:38] <suchilipo> ubottu: ok thanks, I hope to find solution!
[23:39] <favro> !bot > suchilipo
[23:41] <tacosarecool> help
[23:41] <tacosarecool> My sound is being weird
[23:41] <tacosarecool> I tried the alsa reset
[23:41] <axiom> is there not a kde4 kubuntu channel anymore?
[23:41] <tacosarecool> I don't wanna restart my computer
[23:41] <tacosarecool> And I wanna use the front port for my headphones
[23:41] <tacosarecool> I know the front port work
[23:42] <tacosarecool> s
[23:42] <favro> axiom:  this is it :)
[23:42] <tacosarecool> axiom?
[23:42] <tacosarecool> Oh ok
[23:43] <axiom> ah, ok.  I just upgraded to ibex
[23:43] <axiom> upgrade went fine, but kde seems to have lost all its settings
[23:43] <favro> tacosarecool: tried   alsamixer   in konsole?
[23:43] <axiom> specifically plasma, ktorrent and akregator
[23:43] <axiom> is this normal?
[23:44] <tacosarecool> This is weird
[23:44] <favro> axiom: in intrepid it uses ~/.kde not ~/.kde4
[23:44] <tacosarecool> Because my analog front is up
[23:45] <axiom> favro: so if I switch them, everything should come back?
[23:45] <favro> axiom: it "should" - I've not tried it
[23:46] <axiom> favro: thanks, will try it
[23:46] <favro> luck
[23:49] <tacosarecool> I'll try restarting
[23:49] <tacosarecool> Brb
[23:51] <DaSkreech> http://www.dailygyan.com/2008/11/10-things-you-should-do-immediately.html
[23:51] <DaSkreech> Eww? Why ?
[23:52] <chalcedony>  j #anynet
[23:53] <webas> lol two google programs in a must install.. lol i never use both of them..
[23:54] <lalakis> does anyone know why my screen is always black in kubuntu 8.10 ?? i tried to enable the desktop effects after installing the nvidia drivers for my fgeofrce fx 5600 card and since then , i cant get into kubuntu ..screen is always black..what should i do ???
[23:55] <notriddle> kubuntu: Does it show you a login screen? If so, you can use Failsafe to disable it.
[23:55] <notriddle> Correction, lalakis...
[23:56] <lalakis> i tried failsafe but when i log in with failsafe it gets me a grey screen always
[23:56]  * Lars_G sits in a corner and weeps.
[23:56] <notriddle> Lars_G: What's the matter?
[23:56] <lalakis> is there  a way to disable the desktop effects through a command in console ?
[23:56] <Lars_G> Sigh ok people. I need help. I upgraded 8.04 to 8.10, and now nothing of kde works, even kdm... at all. and I want to avoid installing from scratch as strongly as possible
[23:56] <notriddle> lalakis: Try editing .kde(4)/share/config/kdmrc
[23:57] <lalakis> how ?
[23:57] <tacosarecool> Ah
[23:57] <tacosarecool> I know the problem
[23:57] <Lars_G> kdm will only show a background, nothing else.
[23:57] <tacosarecool> If I reset alsa
[23:57] <tacosarecool> I'm screwed
[23:58] <notriddle> nano ~/.kde(4)/share/config/kdmrc
[23:58] <Lars_G> the kde apps when run from root's startx's gnome either crash or hang forever
[23:58] <tacosarecool> Amarok is and flash If I don't reset some myspace songs won't play
[23:59] <Lars_G> I had kde 4.2.1 on hardy, but I've removed the kde4 hardy repos, and I've uninstalled (and replaced) all -kde4 programs with hardy on their version for the (-kde4 less) intrepid versions...
[23:59] <lalakis> i type nano ~/.kde(4)/share/config/kdmrc  .. and then ??