[00:32] ello [00:34] enmand_i'm having trouble with ubuntu 8.10 [00:34] server [00:34] edission [00:34] Cosmos1206: What exactly is the problem. [00:34] part of the reason ihaving trouble getting Open-SSH [00:35] apt-get open-ssh isn't working [00:35] or even this i meant [00:35] apt-get installl open-ssh [00:35] huh? [00:36] huh? [00:36] do I type apt-get install sshd or what [00:37] * Cosmos1206 is listening to "àáâãäåæçøûýPÙ|Ìç" [00:38] Cosmos1206: SSH has a server and a client. [00:38] To install the server you want: [00:38] * Cosmos1206 is listening to "àáâãäåæçøûýPÙ|Ìç" [00:38] jaws80 [00:38] sudo apt-get install openssh-server [00:39] And for the client you want: [00:39] apt-get install openssh-client [00:39] i'm connecting to it via a windows machine [00:39] Then you want the server [00:40] i'm connecting to it via a windows machin/ [00:41] * Cosmos1206 is listening to "àáâãäåæçøûýPÙ|Ìç" [00:42] oops sorry about the jaws80 [00:52] i'm connecting to it via a windows machok [00:52] ok [00:52] hang on [00:55] * Cosmos1206 is listening to "àáâãäåæçøûýPÙ|Ìç" === Cosmos-g-s is now known as cosmos-linux [01:00] ok can you say that gain [01:00] again [01:00] about apt-get [01:00] ill be back [01:00] * ajmitch sighs [01:03] ajmitch: His IRC client came up "mIRC with speech, Using IRC 4The blind" on whois. [01:04] still doesn't excuse the 'listening to' spam [01:05] Cosmos-linux: I'll try again. [01:05] To install the server you want: [01:05] sudo apt-get install openssh-server [01:05] And for the client you want: [01:05] ok i'm back and now can read your messages I couldn't before [01:05] apt-get install openssh-client [01:06] That last one needs a sudo at the start of it. [01:06] right. the client is a windows machine via puTTY, so... and the linux machine is the ssh demon [01:06] it needs to via root? [01:07] ssh demon or open ssh whatever i'm new to this [01:07] Cosmos-linux, just to install the client [01:07] i'm using a windows machine as the client === Cosmos-linux is now known as Tristan-b [01:08] i'm using win32 as client and connecting to it via windows because I'm not using orca, I'm visually impaired, you see [01:09] so on the server side apt-get install openssh-server and on win32 side just connect to it after the needed steps are complete [01:11] ? [01:11] hello [01:12] Yes [01:13] do you see my messages? [01:13] Yes [01:18] what's that [01:19] what's that link [01:20] can someone inform me of the steps or give me a link to a tutorial on what you must do after the installation of Open-ssh is complete, to prepare it for use etc? [01:21] ? [01:22] Tristan-b: It should be ready to go after you install. [01:22] i don't need the openssh-client if it's the server machine, right? that's an obvious question but [01:23] what about starting and stopping the demon? [01:23] that's part of what i'm referring to [01:23] Tristan-b: It starts on install [01:24] so now I just unblock port 22/23 and ready to connect [01:24] . [01:24] Yes (22) [01:26] there we go. its unblocked. I think I'm ready to connect [01:27] that right [01:27] Should be. [01:27] ok lets see [01:27] connecting [01:28] thanks! i'm, in! [01:29] You're welcome. [01:31] now... can you assist me on one more thing -- finding out what the device id of a thumb drive would be in /dev? [01:32] I'm not sure of an easy way to do that. [01:32] Maybe someone else. [01:32] What does "rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1220) [sender=3.0.3]" [01:33] does anyone use an external hd or pendrive [01:33] with ubuntu server [01:33] J-_: Are you running Hardy? [01:33] how do you view it that's the generalised version of the question [01:33] On my server, yes. On my desktop I'm running Intrepid [01:33] ScottK: ^^ [01:34] mm [01:34] J-_: Then you've got rsync 3 on the desktop and rsync 2 on the server. [01:35] That's what that error means. [01:35] What do I need to correct the error? Do I need to have install the same versions on both machines? [01:36] in order for a script to work [01:36] J-_: Yes. We're working on testing a backport for Hardy. See Bug 257211 [01:36] Launchpad bug 257211 in rsync "please backport rsync 3 from Intrepid to Hardy" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/257211 [01:36] !backports [01:36] If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging [01:36] too [01:36] :( [01:36] Mostly we need help with testing. [01:36] I hope there's a workaround [01:37] NCommander: Could you help J-_ get fixed up with rsync3 in Hardy [01:37] Huh? [01:38] Do we have a package built for backports testing somewhere? [01:39] * ScottK hands NCommander some more coffee. [01:39] ScottK, I shoved it into the PPA [01:40] ScottK, wait, rsync3 can break communications w/ rsync2? [01:40] NCommander: Yes. [01:40] This is why Rsync 3 in Intrepid with no backport to Hardy is a problem. [01:40] But Hardy to anything else other will break w.o rsync3 [01:40] hi i have another question [01:40] Thus the backport is a good idea. [01:41] sorry if i am an annoyance [01:41] but [01:41] ScottK, its a bad idea because if someone has backports enabled and has any server without it, boom [01:41] broken rsync [01:42] how do I get an ftp server and access different account's files via it? I just want it to be on the local network so its no big deal about out of netowrking ftp's [01:42] In what situations does it break? I rsync between Intrepid and Hardy fine here. [01:42] hads, if your using rsync server mode it will break [01:43] OK. Maybe I'm wrong, but I understood the protocol changes between Rsync 2 and 3 to be incompatible. [01:43] hi [01:43] Ah. I only ever run over SSH [01:43] Tristan-b: Just ask. [01:43] where [01:43] what [01:43] what do you mean [01:43] i just did ask [01:43] ScottK, the only sane choice is it make rsync3 available either at the same time as rsync2. We either just need to make rsync3 available with a different binary name (rsync3 and rsync), or something similar [01:43] Tristan-b: Sorry. I didn't see the question. I see it now. [01:44] what ftp server's are there out there for ubuntu server 8.10 so I can upload files from my windows machine to my linux desktop server [01:44] Or make rsync3 available as a seperate package (which runs in other issues) [01:44] Intrepid is turning into a nightmare for me. :( [01:44] here's the original question [01:44] Tristan-b: You can already use sftp without installing anything extra. Just use that. [01:44] how do I get an ftp server and access different account's files via it? I just want it to be on the local network so its no big deal about out of netowrking ftp's [01:44] Thinking of just going back to Hardy on my laptop. [01:44] Also that error message that J-_ posted is what you get from calling rsync with a weird command line option. [01:44] J-_, you can grab the rsync backport from our PPA, with the understanding that it is unsupported [01:44] how what's the command to start it [01:44] * ScottK goes to put the kid to bed. [01:44] sorry if i'm a pain, new to the ubuntu server [01:45] so the sftp the command to start it yeah [01:46] Tristan-b, sftp and ftp are two different things [01:46] hads: The was called by rsyncing, "$RSYNC $SSH -i $RUSER@$RHOST:$RPATH $LPATH" and the error was on /var/www. I don't think it's a weird setup. [01:47] J-_: Sure, just commenting that you can get that error from an unknown option. [01:48] HMM [01:50] hmm hmmm hmmm hmmmm hmm [01:50] so the sftp the command to start it yeah [01:50] how do you start sftp in a ubuntu prompt [01:51] sftp [01:51] Tristan-b, install openssh-server [01:51] Tristan-b, that automatically installs the sftp server [01:52] is that an ftp client or server? it appears as though its a client [01:52] i need a server [01:52] Tristan-b, server [01:52] openssh-server is a server :-) [01:52] ok i have openssh server [01:52] Now on the client, just type sftp *IP address* [01:52] i have it so how do i start it [01:52] Tristan-b, it was started once installation finished [01:53] i'm not using linux though on the client [01:53] ... its windows... [01:53] Tristan-b, Grab WinSCP (despite its name, it also supports SFTP) [01:53] Alright, I'll define the script better and see if an error occurs. Yep same error occurs when I, "sudo rsync ssh -i user@IP:path/to/dir /path/to/local/dir" [01:54] * J-_ enables the repo backport. [01:54] https://launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/+archive Is that the correct repository? [01:54] right i have it with file zilla secure ftp protocol [01:55] Then you are in business [01:55] J-_, no, the offical backport testing repo is here [01:55] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-backports-testers/+archive [01:55] It should be noted that backports in that repo are experimental, and not well tested :-) [01:56] (also, rsync isn't uploaded to it yet, someone will have to do that for me because I'm on dial up ATM) [01:56] Well, I'm not so concerned about my laptop. Though, I'd cry if my server messed up. :) [01:56] About to install hardy back onto the laptop anyway. It will save a lot of troubles I've been having. [01:56] Is the laptop or the server running hardy [01:57] Server = Hardy. Laptop = Intrepid [01:57] s/,/./ [01:57] the other way around! [01:57] :P [01:58] That's an odd command line. [01:58] lol [01:58] so the laptop is running Hardy? [01:58] What's up with the "rsync ssh -i"? [01:58] I'll repeat. Sorry. :( [01:58] Server = Hardy. Laptop = Intrepid [01:59] J-_, you said it was the other way around O_o; [01:59] * NCommander looses his mind [02:00] I ment the s/,/./ was supposed to go to s/./,/ and yes, not that it matters. [02:00] Oh [02:00] ok ;-) [02:01] What issues are you having specifically? [02:02] J-_, I'd perfer to resolve them rather than you resorting to downgrade [02:03] Is it okay if I paste 2 lines of data here? [02:03] actually [02:03] !pastebin [02:03] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [02:05] J-_, I'm building the rsync backport now [02:06] J-_, I'll upload it to the testing repo [02:08] Let me take the -i out. The RSA key may not be working right. Though, it has been working fine via regular ssh. And, a while ago--I created a group for my user on my server so if someone did create another user, they wouldn't be added to the group I made. Therefore, only my user has ssh access. But, I don't think that should affect it. Let me take the -i out and see if that works. [02:08] I think it was in relation to the ssh group [02:08] I forget. [02:08] * NCommander nods [02:08] * J-_ boggles eyes [02:08] Uploading to the testing repos [02:09] Yeah, same thing. [02:09] J-_, its on its way to our PPA [02:10] In 20-40 minutes, it should be available, and you can install it on your intrepid laptop [02:10] Awesome, thanks. :) Does this mean, I'm the first user to test it? :'( I don't like being the guinea pig. lol [02:11] Its been tested by other people who have built and installed it before [02:11] Sounds good [02:11] but there were no premade binaries before now [02:13] I guess I can get going on my dump script. [02:13] I don't see why you need the backport if you're just copying over SSH [02:14] hads, in SSH mode, I believe it tries to start by calling the remote rsync, and then using the rsync protocol over SSH [02:15] J-_, uploaded, now we have to wait for Launchpad to compile and publish [02:15] Nice [02:15] It automates those processes too? [02:16] That's the purpose of PPAs [02:17] Binaries usually are published within 20 minutes of the build completeling [02:17] Okay. Well FWIW I haven't run into any issues rsyncing between my Hardy servers and Intrepid clients. [02:19] * J-_ doesn't know anything about PPAs. Though, not often, I do enable them as a resource. [02:21] J-_, ok, its pending publishing (the build finished successfully) [02:21] Nice. :) [02:21] J-_, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-backports-testers/+archive - when the Pending on rsync changes to published, you can get it via APT [02:26] Does anybody know if the preseed variables changed for Intrepid? [03:03] NCommander: Searching in Synaptic, I can't find the backport. I've enabled the repo, refreshed(updated) and, I don't seem to find it. What do I look for? [03:04] J-_, its not in the offical backports repo [03:04] You have to add the PPA I gave you to it [03:05] Yeah, I ment I've enabled the PPA, can't find the package. [03:07] I switched to the main server. We'll see if it's there now. [03:08] J-_, what main server? [03:09] J-_, try going to the command line, and typing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install rsync [03:09] (it should prompt an upgrade is available for rsync, but its unsigned and act for more permission to continue) [03:10] No prompt. I enabled both deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-backports-testers/ubuntu intrepid main and deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-backports-testers/ubuntu intrepid main to Intrepid [03:11] Probably not in the PPA yet. It says it's published. [03:11] It should be [03:11] J-_, http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-backports-testers/ubuntu/pool/main/r/rsync/ the debs are there [03:16] New bug: #292895 in samba (main) "large samba transfers kill wireless" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292895 [03:25] !info ubuntu-standard [03:25] ubuntu-standard (source: ubuntu-meta): The Ubuntu standard system. In component main, is standard. Version 1.123 (intrepid), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl [04:19] i am setting my computer to be a home server and host a website. Is ubuntu server for setting up multiple computers on a network or for hosting a website? [04:22] Yes [04:24] so is that a yes to both aspects of the question? [04:24] Yes. You can use it for either. [04:25] so do i need to go ahead and install the server edition? [04:27] is it complicated to set is up to run a website? [04:28] is there any setting I can do to get a 2nd SSH serve running (obv. on a diff port), or do I just need to (or can i even?) copy and rename the sshd to run a 2nd copy? [04:30] sorry, i dont know. [04:30] josh_: What are you trying to do? [04:30] ShawnR: I don't recall, but that's a common question that Google should have a reasonable answer to. [04:31] prolly does.... i must admit, i was looking for an easy way out... got a nasty sinus thing going now, if you don't know off the top of your head, don't worry about it [04:36] From memory you can have multiple port lines. [04:37] ah, it looks like i just need to run a 2nd service and use the -f switch to point to a diff config [04:37] unless you know how to do it off of the same running service [04:37] You just want it on two ports? [04:38] yup [04:38] Yeah, just add a line to sshd_config [04:38] oh? [04:42] Yeah, you can have multiple port lines in the config [04:42] seperated by comma? [04:42] like 22,443 or something? [04:42] No, multiple lines. [04:43] Port 22 [04:43] Port 222 [04:43] ah [04:47] 8.10 server install now asks "do you want to activate the sata raid" near the beginning. what does this mean/do? I'm using a hardware raid 5 that already has a logical volume set up. do I want to say yes or no? [04:48] yeah [04:48] activate it [04:49] My problem is, after rebooting, GRUB cannot find any .. devices I guess. [04:49] It has error 15, which i've been told it has the wrong kernal listed, but it really cant find anything. [04:49] did you not activate the last time? [04:49] So its just overly broken. :P [04:49] I installed both ways. :\ [04:49] The partitioner found my raid array either way. [04:49] So thats why I asked what that option did. [04:50] i have a soft raid on my mobo... so it does a raid... but it's a crappy one (uses the processor, not the chipset itself), in older installs, i would have to not use that raid and create soft raid in linux === joerlend__ is now known as XiXaQ [04:50] in 8.10 i can set the raid in BIOS and it'll recognize it as just 1 disk [04:50] so if it's a new install, it won't matter... install it one way, if it doesn't work, try the other [04:51] but firstly, i'd try by setting the RAID in your RAID bios, and then activating it in the install [04:52] Yeah I tried installing with saying yes and no. I'm not sure if my issue is related as its probably a GRUB bug or linux really can not have / or /boot on a raid5 (saw that on a website). [04:52] is it a true hardware raid 5, or a hardware aided raid 5? [04:52] Although it worked before. I might try formating it as a LVM instead of "default". I know that worked in the past and thats the only thing I am doing different. [04:53] Its a raid 5 w/ online spare set up by the bios raid util. [04:53] Its a HP proliant ML350 G5. [04:53] Says something like "detected sata raid array, do you wish to activate?" [04:53] * AtomicSpark should of wrote it down [04:55] The new VM stuff is what interests me, other then that I would stick with LTS. [04:55] i know the msg, it's the new RAID stuff in 8.10 [04:55] Hmm. [04:56] not dealt with 8.10 or hp proliants, so i'll leave you to it [04:56] They're hiding "known issues" for server install. Maybe its the same for the desktop. [05:00] Ill try again tomorrow with LVM as the formatting option. Other then that I can only think of trying to fix grub with a live cd or sticking with 8.04 [05:00] AtomicSpark: I don't think anyone is hiding known issues. [05:01] and 8.04 loaded from your hardware RAID just fine, from GRUB? [05:01] Yes. [05:01] hmm [05:01] did GRUB change versions in 8.10? [05:02] I even did a upgrade to 8.10, that worked fine. I just thought I'd do a fresh install because I was switching over from an all-n-one to a more virtualised system. [05:03] hmm [05:03] According to ubottu, grub didn't change versions. [05:03] you said the error you get is from GRUB not loading (or finding) the install? [05:03] The only thing I can think of is I didn't choose LVM this time. [05:04] or is grub not starting? [05:04] Yes, it says booting from cd/floppy/C: Grub error 15. [05:04] Grub seems to load. Doesnt give any options. Cannot hit e to try to manually type the loading command. [05:04] hmm [05:05] was grub fully wiped off the drive? [05:05] i'd say undo the RAID, then redo it (should clear ALL of the HDD, including MBR), then try the install [05:05] I think so. After the 2nd time it failed, I re did the raid. [05:05] Yup I thought of that. :P [05:06] hmm [05:06] So next time Ill try with LVM and with/without saying yes to activate the sata raid. [05:07] I took that as to "enable it to be partitioned" [05:07] I hope it wasn't trying to set up a software raid on it. [05:07] nah [05:08] Hmm. [05:08] when i activated, it showed it as a RAID drive, didn't show seperate sda and sdb like it did before in previous versions [05:08] I cannot remember. It might of worded it different. [05:10] I'm sure I'll figure something out. Not much I can do since it's not sitting next to me at the moment. [05:10] i hate that [05:12] Yeah, but if I get it working, it would be a lot easier. I'm thinking of having 4 virtual servers. One FreeNAS, one LAMP, one OpenLDAP (experimental), and one test server. [05:13] Before I had all that on one server (sub samba for freenas) and it got messy. [05:13] cool [05:15] Yeah. Have you seen what the "free portion" of Landscape is? [05:15] nope [05:15] Hmm. [05:15] i just saw that it was a trial, and stopped paying attn [05:15] Heh. === tjaalton_ is now known as tjaalton [05:37] hi there, im having issues settuing up egroupware, the package in ubuntu seems to be half-broken [05:38] id appreciate anyone taking a look at it if possible [07:14] seravitae, whats the error? [07:15] whats half broken mean? [07:17] well, installing the package and removing it via purge/remove doesn't actually remove all the files [07:17] its okay though ive decided not to use the package at all === _ruben_ is now known as _ruben [07:44] Anyone have a recommendation for learning how to set up Bacula? Online docs, a book, etc. [08:11] moin [09:19] hi [09:20] how can i install a specific version of MySQL DB Server 5.0.54 on Ubuntu 8.04 Server [09:20] actually the default version is 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.1 [09:21] why do you need 54 specifically? [09:21] I am looking out for MySQL DB Server 5.0.54 [09:21] since our code is being developed on it [09:22] we have just migrated to Ubuntu Server [09:22] * Kamping_Kaiser finds subversion dependant code to be quite failful (but thats just me) [09:22] sub-version * [09:23] kaushal: mysql.com/enterprise/, subscribe, install stuff from there [09:23] easy [09:23] so you mean install it from source [09:35] <_ruben> i'd suggest looking into the debian new maintainers guide on how to 'manually' roll a newer version of a package .. it isnt that hard really [09:35] or subscribe to mysql enterprise :) [09:35] <_ruben> building from source is asking for trouble [09:35] muhuh [09:35] this reminds me, that gcc-4.2 produced broken code for me, whereas gcc-4.1 worked properly (on hardy) [09:35] or just use .51 [09:35] Indeed [09:36] <_ruben> using .51 would indeed be the best solution [09:36] using 5.0.68 would be best, though [09:36] * Kamping_Kaiser mutters under his breath about web developers who write code for micro-versions of all the apps involved [09:36] <_ruben> rolling your own package is a decent second [09:36] or actually, using 5.0.68 with my and google patches ;-) [09:36] domas, the 'remote root' patch? ;) [09:37] Kamping_Kaiser: hey, default ubuntu package can provide you with remote root ;-) [09:38] I just notified security@ few days ago [09:38] if anyone reads it [09:38] domas, hehe. i do get dsa's, but didnt know there was an ubuntu security list [09:38] probably should've forwarded that to debian too [09:39] but as I don't use debian, I don't care much :-) [09:39] :o [09:39] anyway, there's mysql packaging mistake that opens few security bugs [09:39] *i* use debian :P [09:40] OpenBSD 4.4 came out 2 days ago [09:40] lukehasnoname, orly? [09:40] Kamping_Kaiser: :-) [09:40] domas, :) [09:41] quite rly [09:42] anyway, running old mysql versions is stupid! :) [09:42] every time I see someone running a 2-year-old distro package, it makes me cry [09:43] phtt. [09:43] if it hasnt been out for two years it wont be stable [09:43] :p [09:44] well, thats why 5.0 is up to 5.0.68 [09:44] because it has been out for two years and has had lots and lots of fixes [09:45] yeah. but not necesarily ones that need a new install [09:46] the server guide for intrepid still isn't up! [09:46] Kamping_Kaiser: thats what you think :) [09:46] domas, yes, i'm a debian user :p [09:46] It's been 4 days since launch, and Canonical/Ubuntu still haven't put the draft up to the current documentation! [09:47] Kamping_Kaiser: I work mostly with people who run mysql at very much core of things :) [09:48] domas, the one time i've been close and personal with mysql was my last job, and it was a bad setup. my current job we use mysql, but only to backend our bts/wiki/etc [09:49] s/backend our/backend our internal [09:49] well, my major mysql place is backing a wiki too! [09:49] I run my own mysql fork there :) [09:49] :o [09:50] 4.0.40 ;-) [09:50] (the official last release is 4.0.30 ;-) [09:50] the last place i used it (that time referenced) it was a badly setup system i inherited - 5 or 6 copies of mysql running on one system for different webapps. it was nasty. [09:50] hehehe [09:50] we got recently 20 new database boxes, 32gig ram, 16-15krpm-disks, etc, nice ones [09:52] nice. [09:53] if they ask me to work there agian they'll have to put up with some architecting. one dedicated db box would have made a massive difference (as i'm sure your aware :D) [09:53] 30 dedicated boxes! [09:54] uhm [09:54] and yes :) [09:54] we didnt *have* 30 boxes! [09:55] domas, i'm actually wondering how you got 16 drives into a server - is it an array hooked up, or do you have a crazy box with 16 drives? didnt think they sold them anymore [09:55] Kamping_Kaiser: X4240 [09:56] Kamping_Kaiser: brilliant machine [09:56] http://www.sun.com/servers/x64/x4240/ [09:56] 2u, 16 disks [09:56] <3 [09:56] aaah, wow. Sun still make them <3 [09:57] <_ruben> Kamping_Kaiser: supermicro has chassis upto 24 disks (4U) .. 16disks in 3U (got 2 of those as SANs) [09:57] _ruben: 16 disks in 2u is way better than in 3u! :) [09:57] btw, what can cause this: http://p.defau.lt/?hC8C7MTk9BdTKBEHFgcsqA [09:57] _ruben, we have some supermicro boxes at work, but i thought they didnt make the 24's anymore [09:57] i/o controller issues? CPU? etc? [09:58] <_ruben> domas: true, sun has some nifty hardware layouts ;) [09:58] bloody frieght company *lost* one of our two 24 drive supermicros [09:58] we used to use 24/16 disk supermicros for our storage servers [09:58] now we switched to thumpers [09:58] (X4500s) [09:58] thumper with ZFS is teh awesome [09:59] domas, looks like what we got when some of our raid controllers worked themselves loose [09:59] <_ruben> 16x1GB sata in raid10 makes for a semi decent storage backend for our internal virtual servers (esxi) [10:00] * Kamping_Kaiser goes back to drooling over sun boxes [10:00] _ruben: where the heck did you get 1GB drives? [10:00]