[00:32] <Cosmos1206> ello
[00:34] <Cosmos1206> enmand_i'm having trouble with ubuntu 8.10
[00:34] <Cosmos1206> server
[00:34] <Cosmos1206> edission
[00:34] <ScottK> Cosmos1206: What exactly is the problem.
[00:34] <Cosmos1206> part of the reason ihaving trouble getting Open-SSH
[00:35] <Cosmos1206> apt-get open-ssh isn't working
[00:35] <Cosmos1206> or even this i meant
[00:35] <Cosmos1206> apt-get installl open-ssh
[00:35] <Cosmos1206> huh?
[00:36] <Cosmos1206> huh?
[00:36] <Cosmos1206> do I type apt-get install sshd or what
[00:37]  * Cosmos1206 is listening to "ÓßŌŃõÕµń°¹²P┘É|╠ń"
[00:38] <ScottK> Cosmos1206: SSH has a server and a client.
[00:38] <ScottK> To install the server you want:
[00:38]  * Cosmos1206 is listening to "ÓßŌŃõÕµń°¹²P┘É|╠ń"
[00:38] <Cosmos1206> jaws80
[00:38] <ScottK> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[00:39] <ScottK> And for the client you want:
[00:39] <ScottK> apt-get install openssh-client
[00:39] <Cosmos1206> i'm connecting to it via a windows machine
[00:39] <ScottK> Then you want the server
[00:40] <Cosmos1206> i'm connecting to it via a windows machin/
[00:41]  * Cosmos1206 is listening to "ÓßŌŃõÕµń°¹²P┘É|╠ń"
[00:42] <Cosmos1206> oops sorry about the jaws80
[00:52] <Cosmos1206> i'm connecting to it via a windows machok
[00:52] <Cosmos1206> ok
[00:52] <Cosmos1206> hang on
[00:55]  * Cosmos1206 is listening to "ÓßŌŃõÕµń°¹²P┘É|╠ń"
[01:00] <cosmos-linux> ok can you say that gain
[01:00] <cosmos-linux> again
[01:00] <cosmos-linux> about apt-get
[01:00] <cosmos-linux> ill be back
[01:00]  * ajmitch sighs
[01:03] <ScottK> ajmitch: His IRC client came up "mIRC with speech, Using IRC 4The blind" on whois.
[01:04] <ajmitch> still doesn't excuse the 'listening to' spam
[01:05] <ScottK> Cosmos-linux: I'll try again.
[01:05] <ScottK> To install the server you want:
[01:05] <ScottK> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[01:05] <ScottK> And for the client you want:
[01:05] <Cosmos-linux> ok i'm back and now can read your messages I couldn't before
[01:05] <ScottK> apt-get install openssh-client
[01:06] <ScottK> That last one needs a sudo at the start of it.
[01:06] <Cosmos-linux> right. the client is a windows machine via puTTY, so... and the linux machine is the ssh demon
[01:06] <Cosmos-linux> it needs to via root?
[01:07] <Cosmos-linux> ssh demon  or open ssh whatever i'm new to this
[01:07] <NCommander> Cosmos-linux, just to install the client
[01:07] <Cosmos-linux> i'm using a windows machine as the client
[01:08] <Tristan-b> i'm using win32 as client and connecting to it via windows because I'm not using orca, I'm visually impaired, you see
[01:09] <Tristan-b> so on the server side apt-get install openssh-server and on win32 side just connect to it after the needed steps are complete
[01:11] <Tristan-b> ?
[01:11] <Tristan-b> hello
[01:12] <hads> Yes
[01:13] <Tristan-b> do you see my messages?
[01:13] <hads> Yes
[01:18] <Tristan-b> what's that
[01:19] <Tristan-b> what's that link
[01:20] <Tristan-b> can someone inform me of the steps or give me a link to a tutorial on what you must do after the installation of Open-ssh is complete, to prepare it for use etc?
[01:21] <Tristan-b> ?
[01:22] <ScottK> Tristan-b: It should be ready to go after you install.
[01:22] <Tristan-b> i don't need the openssh-client if it's the server machine, right? that's an obvious question but
[01:23] <Tristan-b> what about starting and stopping the demon?
[01:23] <Tristan-b> that's part of what i'm referring to
[01:23] <ScottK> Tristan-b: It starts on install
[01:24] <Tristan-b> so now I just unblock port 22/23 and ready to connect
[01:24] <Tristan-b> .
[01:24] <ScottK> Yes (22)
[01:26] <Tristan-b> there we go. its unblocked. I think I'm ready to connect
[01:27] <Tristan-b> that right
[01:27] <ScottK> Should be.
[01:27] <Tristan-b> ok lets see
[01:27] <Tristan-b> connecting
[01:28] <Tristan-b> thanks! i'm, in!
[01:29] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[01:31] <Tristan-b> now... can you assist me on one more thing -- finding out what the device id of a thumb drive would be in /dev?
[01:32] <ScottK> I'm not sure of an easy way to do that.
[01:32] <ScottK> Maybe someone else.
[01:32] <J-_> What does "rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1220) [sender=3.0.3]"
[01:33] <Tristan-b> does anyone use an external hd or pendrive
[01:33] <Tristan-b> with ubuntu server
[01:33] <ScottK> J-_: Are you running Hardy?
[01:33] <Tristan-b> how do you view it that's the generalised version of the question
[01:33] <J-_> On my server, yes. On my desktop I'm running Intrepid
[01:33] <J-_> ScottK:  ^^
[01:34] <Tristan-b> mm
[01:34] <ScottK> J-_: Then you've got rsync 3 on the desktop and rsync 2 on the server.
[01:35] <ScottK> That's what that error means.
[01:35] <J-_> What do I need to correct the error? Do I need to have install the same versions on both machines?
[01:36] <J-_> in order for a script to work
[01:36] <ScottK> J-_: Yes.  We're working on testing a backport for Hardy.  See Bug 257211
[01:36] <ScottK> !backports
[01:36] <ScottK> too
[01:36] <J-_> :(
[01:36] <ScottK> Mostly we need help with testing.
[01:36] <J-_> I hope there's a workaround
[01:37] <ScottK> NCommander: Could you help J-_ get fixed up with rsync3 in Hardy
[01:37] <NCommander> Huh?
[01:38] <ScottK> Do we have a package built for backports testing somewhere?
[01:39]  * ScottK hands NCommander some more coffee.
[01:39] <NCommander> ScottK, I shoved it into the PPA
[01:40] <NCommander> ScottK, wait, rsync3 can break communications w/ rsync2?
[01:40] <ScottK> NCommander: Yes.
[01:40] <ScottK> This is why Rsync 3 in Intrepid with no backport to Hardy is a problem.
[01:40] <NCommander> But Hardy to anything else other will break w.o rsync3
[01:40] <Tristan-b> hi i have another question
[01:40] <ScottK> Thus the backport is a good idea.
[01:41] <Tristan-b> sorry if i am an annoyance
[01:41] <Tristan-b> but
[01:41] <NCommander> ScottK, its a bad idea because if someone has backports enabled and has any server without it, boom
[01:41] <NCommander> broken rsync
[01:42] <Tristan-b> how do I get an ftp server and access different account's files via it? I just want it to be on the local network so its no big deal about out of netowrking ftp's
[01:42] <hads> In what situations does it break? I rsync between Intrepid and Hardy fine here.
[01:42] <NCommander> hads, if your using rsync server mode it will break
[01:43] <ScottK> OK.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I understood the protocol changes between Rsync 2 and 3 to be incompatible.
[01:43] <Tristan-b> hi
[01:43] <hads> Ah. I only ever run over SSH
[01:43] <ScottK> Tristan-b: Just ask.
[01:43] <Tristan-b> where
[01:43] <Tristan-b> what
[01:43] <Tristan-b> what do you mean
[01:43] <Tristan-b> i just did ask
[01:43] <NCommander> ScottK, the only sane choice is it make rsync3 available either at the same time as rsync2. We either just need to make rsync3 available with a different binary name (rsync3 and rsync), or something similar
[01:43] <ScottK> Tristan-b: Sorry.  I didn't see the question.  I see it now.
[01:44] <Tristan-b> what ftp server's are there out there for ubuntu server 8.10 so I can upload files from my windows machine to my linux desktop server
[01:44] <NCommander> Or make rsync3 available as a seperate package (which runs in other issues)
[01:44] <J-_> Intrepid is turning into a nightmare for me. :(
[01:44] <Tristan-b> here's the original question
[01:44] <ScottK> Tristan-b: You can already use sftp without installing anything extra.  Just use that.
[01:44] <Tristan-b> how do I get an ftp server and access different account's files via it? I just want it to be on the local network so its no big deal about out of netowrking ftp's
[01:44] <J-_> Thinking of just going back to Hardy on my laptop.
[01:44] <hads> Also that error message that J-_ posted is what you get from calling rsync with a weird command line option.
[01:44] <NCommander> J-_, you can grab the rsync backport from our PPA, with the understanding that it is unsupported
[01:44] <Tristan-b> how what's the command to start it
[01:44]  * ScottK goes to put the kid to bed.
[01:44] <Tristan-b> sorry if i'm a pain, new to the ubuntu server
[01:45] <Tristan-b> so the sftp the command to start it yeah
[01:46] <NCommander> Tristan-b, sftp and ftp are two different things
[01:46] <J-_> hads:  The was called by rsyncing, "$RSYNC $SSH -i $RUSER@$RHOST:$RPATH $LPATH" and the error was on /var/www. I don't think it's a weird setup.
[01:47] <hads> J-_: Sure, just commenting that you can get that error from an unknown option.
[01:48] <Tristan-b> HMM
[01:50] <Tristan-b> hmm hmmm hmmm hmmmm hmm
[01:50] <Tristan-b> so the sftp the command to start it yeah
[01:50] <Tristan-b> how do you start sftp in a ubuntu prompt
[01:51] <hads> sftp
[01:51] <NCommander> Tristan-b, install openssh-server
[01:51] <NCommander> Tristan-b, that automatically installs the sftp server
[01:52] <Tristan-b> is that an ftp client or server? it appears as though its a client
[01:52] <Tristan-b> i need a server
[01:52] <NCommander> Tristan-b, server
[01:52] <NCommander> openssh-server is a server :-)
[01:52] <Tristan-b> ok i have openssh server
[01:52] <NCommander> Now on the client, just type sftp *IP address*
[01:52] <Tristan-b> i have it so how do i start it
[01:52] <NCommander> Tristan-b, it was started once installation finished
[01:53] <Tristan-b> i'm not using linux though on the client
[01:53] <Tristan-b> ... its windows...
[01:53] <NCommander> Tristan-b, Grab WinSCP (despite its name, it also supports SFTP)
[01:53] <J-_> Alright, I'll define the script better and see if an error occurs. Yep same error occurs when I, "sudo rsync ssh -i user@IP:path/to/dir /path/to/local/dir"
[01:54]  * J-_ enables the repo backport.
[01:54] <J-_> https://launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/+archive Is that the correct repository?
[01:54] <Tristan-b> right i have it with file zilla secure ftp protocol
[01:55] <NCommander> Then you are in business
[01:55] <NCommander> J-_, no, the offical backport testing repo is here
[01:55] <NCommander> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-backports-testers/+archive
[01:55] <NCommander> It should be noted that backports in that repo are experimental, and not well tested :-)
[01:56] <NCommander> (also, rsync isn't uploaded to it yet, someone will have to do that for me because I'm on dial up ATM)
[01:56] <J-_> Well, I'm not so concerned about my laptop. Though, I'd cry if my server messed up. :)
[01:56] <J-_> About to install hardy back onto the laptop anyway. It will save a lot of troubles I've been having.
[01:56] <NCommander> Is the laptop or the server running hardy
[01:57] <J-_> Server = Hardy. Laptop = Intrepid
[01:57] <J-_> s/,/./
[01:57] <J-_> the other way around!
[01:57] <J-_> :P
[01:58] <hads> That's an odd command line.
[01:58] <NCommander> lol
[01:58] <NCommander> so the laptop is running Hardy?
[01:58] <hads> What's up with the "rsync ssh -i"?
[01:58] <J-_> I'll repeat. Sorry. :(
[01:58] <J-_> Server = Hardy. Laptop = Intrepid
[01:59] <NCommander> J-_, you said it was the other way around O_o;
[01:59]  * NCommander looses his mind <g>
[02:00] <J-_> I ment the s/,/./ was supposed to go to s/./,/ and yes, not that it matters.
[02:00] <NCommander> Oh
[02:00] <NCommander> ok ;-)
[02:01] <NCommander> What issues are you having specifically?
[02:02] <NCommander> J-_, I'd perfer to resolve them rather than you resorting to downgrade
[02:03] <J-_> Is it okay if I paste 2 lines of data here?
[02:03] <J-_> actually
[02:03] <J-_> !pastebin
[02:05] <NCommander> J-_, I'm building the rsync backport now
[02:06] <NCommander> J-_, I'll upload it to the testing repo
[02:08] <J-_> Let me take the -i out. The RSA key may not be working right. Though, it has been working fine via regular ssh. And, a while ago--I created a group for my user on my server so if someone did create another user, they wouldn't be added to the group I made. Therefore, only my user has ssh access. But, I don't think that should affect it. Let me take the -i out and see if that works.
[02:08] <J-_> I think it was in relation to the ssh group
[02:08] <J-_> I forget.
[02:08]  * NCommander nods
[02:08]  * J-_ boggles eyes
[02:08] <NCommander> Uploading to the testing repos
[02:09] <J-_> Yeah, same thing.
[02:09] <NCommander> J-_, its on its way to our PPA
[02:10] <NCommander> In 20-40 minutes, it should be available, and you can install it on your intrepid laptop
[02:10] <J-_> Awesome, thanks. :) Does this mean, I'm the first user to test it? :'( I don't like being the guinea pig. lol
[02:11] <NCommander> Its been tested by other people who have built and installed it before
[02:11] <J-_> Sounds good
[02:11] <NCommander> but there were no premade binaries before now
[02:13] <J-_> I guess I can get going on my dump script.
[02:13] <hads> I don't see why you need the backport if you're just copying over SSH
[02:14] <NCommander> hads, in SSH mode, I believe it tries to start by calling the remote rsync, and then using the rsync protocol over SSH
[02:15] <NCommander> J-_, uploaded, now we have to wait for Launchpad to compile and publish
[02:15] <J-_> Nice
[02:15] <J-_> It automates those processes too?
[02:16] <NCommander> That's the purpose of PPAs
[02:17] <NCommander> Binaries usually are published within 20 minutes of the build completeling
[02:17] <hads> Okay. Well FWIW I haven't run into any issues rsyncing between my Hardy servers and Intrepid clients.
[02:19]  * J-_ doesn't know anything about PPAs. Though, not often, I do enable them as a resource.
[02:21] <NCommander> J-_, ok, its pending publishing (the build finished successfully)
[02:21] <J-_> Nice. :)
[02:21] <NCommander> J-_, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-backports-testers/+archive - when the Pending on rsync changes to published, you can get it via APT
[02:26] <centaur5> Does anybody know if the preseed variables changed for Intrepid?
[03:03] <J-_> NCommander:  Searching in Synaptic, I can't find the backport. I've enabled the repo, refreshed(updated) and, I don't seem to find it. What do I look for?
[03:04] <NCommander> J-_, its not in the offical backports repo
[03:04] <NCommander> You have to add the PPA I gave you to it
[03:05] <J-_> Yeah, I ment I've enabled the PPA, can't find the package.
[03:07] <J-_> I switched to the main server. We'll see if it's there now.
[03:08] <NCommander> J-_, what main server?
[03:09] <NCommander> J-_, try going to the command line, and typing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install rsync
[03:09] <NCommander> (it should prompt an upgrade is available for rsync, but its unsigned and act for more permission to continue)
[03:10] <J-_> No prompt. I enabled both deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-backports-testers/ubuntu intrepid main and deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-backports-testers/ubuntu intrepid main to Intrepid
[03:11] <J-_> Probably not in the PPA yet. It says it's published.
[03:11] <NCommander> It should be
[03:11] <NCommander> J-_, http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-backports-testers/ubuntu/pool/main/r/rsync/ the debs are there
[03:25] <J-_> !info ubuntu-standard
[04:19] <josh_> i am setting my computer to be a home server and host a website.  Is ubuntu server for setting up multiple computers on a network or for hosting a website?
[04:22] <ScottK> Yes
[04:24] <josh_> so is that a yes to both aspects of the question?
[04:24] <ScottK> Yes.  You can use it for either.
[04:25] <josh_> so do i need to go ahead and install the server edition?
[04:27] <josh_> is it complicated to set is up to run a website?
[04:28] <ShawnR> is there any setting I can do to get a 2nd SSH serve running (obv. on a diff port), or do I just need to (or can i even?) copy and rename the sshd to run a 2nd copy?
[04:30] <josh_> sorry, i dont know.
[04:30] <ScottK> josh_: What are you trying to do?
[04:30] <ScottK> ShawnR: I don't recall, but that's a common question that Google should have a reasonable answer to.
[04:31] <ShawnR> prolly does.... i must admit, i was looking for an easy way out... got a nasty sinus thing going now, if you don't know off the top of your head, don't worry about it
[04:36] <hads> From memory you can have multiple port lines.
[04:37] <ShawnR> ah, it looks like i just need to run a 2nd service and use the -f switch to point to a diff config
[04:37] <ShawnR> unless you know how to do it off of the same running service
[04:37] <hads> You just want it on two ports?
[04:38] <ShawnR> yup
[04:38] <hads> Yeah, just add a line to sshd_config
[04:38] <ShawnR> oh?
[04:42] <hads> Yeah, you can have multiple port lines in the config
[04:42] <ShawnR> seperated by comma?
[04:42] <ShawnR> like 22,443 or something?
[04:42] <hads> No, multiple lines.
[04:43] <hads> Port 22
[04:43] <hads> Port 222
[04:43] <ShawnR> ah
[04:47] <AtomicSpark> 8.10 server install now asks "do you want to activate the sata raid" near the beginning. what does this mean/do? I'm using a hardware raid 5 that already has a logical volume set up. do I want to say yes or no?
[04:48] <ShawnR> yeah
[04:48] <ShawnR> activate it
[04:49] <AtomicSpark> My problem is, after rebooting, GRUB cannot find any .. devices I guess.
[04:49] <AtomicSpark> It has error 15, which i've been told it has the wrong kernal listed, but it really cant find anything.
[04:49] <ShawnR> did you not activate the last time?
[04:49] <AtomicSpark> So its just overly broken. :P
[04:49] <AtomicSpark> I installed both ways. :\
[04:49] <AtomicSpark> The partitioner found my raid array either way.
[04:49] <AtomicSpark> So thats why I asked what that option did.
[04:50] <ShawnR> i have a soft raid on my mobo... so it does a raid... but it's a crappy one (uses the processor, not the chipset itself), in older installs, i would have to not use that raid and create soft raid in linux
[04:50] <ShawnR> in 8.10 i can set the raid in BIOS and it'll recognize it as just 1 disk
[04:50] <ShawnR> so if it's a new install, it won't matter... install it one way, if it doesn't work, try the other
[04:51] <ShawnR> but firstly, i'd try by setting the RAID in your RAID bios, and then activating it in the install
[04:52] <AtomicSpark> Yeah I tried installing with saying yes and no. I'm not sure if my issue is related as its probably a GRUB bug or linux really can not have / or /boot on a raid5 (saw that on a website).
[04:52] <vk5foss> is it a true hardware raid 5, or a hardware aided raid 5?
[04:52] <AtomicSpark> Although it worked before. I might try formating it as a LVM instead of "default". I know that worked in the past and thats the only thing I am doing different.
[04:53] <AtomicSpark> Its a raid 5 w/ online spare set up by the bios raid util.
[04:53] <AtomicSpark> Its a HP proliant ML350 G5.
[04:53] <AtomicSpark> Says something like "detected sata raid array, do you wish to activate?"
[04:53]  * AtomicSpark should of wrote it down
[04:55] <AtomicSpark> The new VM stuff is what interests me, other then that I would stick with LTS.
[04:55] <ShawnR> i know the msg, it's the new RAID stuff in 8.10
[04:55] <AtomicSpark> Hmm.
[04:56] <vk5foss> not dealt with 8.10 or hp proliants, so i'll leave you to it
[04:56] <AtomicSpark> They're hiding "known issues" for server install. Maybe its the same for the desktop.
[05:00] <AtomicSpark> Ill try again tomorrow with LVM as the formatting option. Other then that I can only think of trying to fix grub with a live cd or sticking with 8.04
[05:00] <ScottK> AtomicSpark: I don't think anyone is hiding known issues.
[05:01] <ShawnR> and 8.04 loaded from your hardware RAID just fine, from GRUB?
[05:01] <AtomicSpark> Yes.
[05:01] <ShawnR> hmm
[05:01] <ShawnR> did GRUB change versions in 8.10?
[05:02] <AtomicSpark> I even did a upgrade to 8.10, that worked fine. I just thought I'd do a fresh install because I was switching over from an all-n-one to a more virtualised system.
[05:03] <ShawnR> hmm
[05:03] <AtomicSpark> According to ubottu, grub didn't change versions.
[05:03] <ShawnR> you said the error you get is from GRUB not loading (or finding) the install?
[05:03] <AtomicSpark> The only thing I can think of is I didn't choose LVM this time.
[05:04] <ShawnR> or is grub not starting?
[05:04] <AtomicSpark> Yes, it says booting from cd/floppy/C: Grub error 15.
[05:04] <AtomicSpark> Grub seems to load. Doesnt give any options. Cannot hit e to try to manually type the loading command.
[05:04] <ShawnR> hmm
[05:05] <ShawnR> was grub fully wiped off the drive?
[05:05] <ShawnR> i'd say undo the RAID, then redo it (should clear ALL of the HDD, including MBR), then try the install
[05:05] <AtomicSpark> I think so. After the 2nd time it failed, I re did the raid.
[05:05] <AtomicSpark> Yup I thought of that. :P
[05:06] <ShawnR> hmm
[05:06] <AtomicSpark> So next time Ill try with LVM and with/without saying yes to activate the sata raid.
[05:07] <AtomicSpark> I took that as to "enable it to be partitioned"
[05:07] <AtomicSpark> I hope it wasn't trying to set up a software raid on it.
[05:07] <ShawnR> nah
[05:08] <AtomicSpark> Hmm.
[05:08] <ShawnR> when i activated, it showed it as a RAID drive, didn't show seperate sda and sdb like it did before in previous versions
[05:08] <AtomicSpark> I cannot remember. It might of worded it different.
[05:10] <AtomicSpark> I'm sure I'll figure something out. Not much I can do since it's not sitting next to me at the moment.
[05:10] <ShawnR> i hate that
[05:12] <AtomicSpark> Yeah, but if I get it working, it would be a lot easier. I'm thinking of having 4 virtual servers. One FreeNAS, one LAMP, one OpenLDAP (experimental), and one test server.
[05:13] <AtomicSpark> Before I had all that on one server (sub samba for freenas) and it got messy.
[05:13] <ShawnR> cool
[05:15] <AtomicSpark> Yeah. Have you seen what the "free portion" of Landscape is?
[05:15] <ShawnR> nope
[05:15] <AtomicSpark> Hmm.
[05:15] <ShawnR> i just saw that it was a trial, and stopped paying attn
[05:15] <AtomicSpark> Heh.
[05:37] <seravitae> hi there, im having issues settuing up egroupware, the package in ubuntu seems to be half-broken
[05:38] <seravitae> id appreciate anyone taking a look at it if possible
[07:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> seravitae, whats the error?
[07:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats half broken mean?
[07:17] <seravitae> well, installing the package and removing it via purge/remove doesn't actually remove all the files
[07:17] <seravitae> its okay though ive decided not to use the package at all
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> Anyone have a recommendation for learning how to set up Bacula?  Online docs, a book, etc.
[08:11] <kraut> moin
[09:19] <kaushal> hi
[09:20] <kaushal> how can i install a specific version of MySQL DB Server 5.0.54 on Ubuntu 8.04 Server
[09:20] <kaushal> actually the default version is 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.1
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> why do you need 54 specifically?
[09:21] <kaushal> I am looking out for MySQL DB Server 5.0.54
[09:21] <kaushal> since our code is being developed on it
[09:22] <kaushal> we have just migrated to Ubuntu Server
[09:22]  * Kamping_Kaiser finds subversion dependant code to be quite failful (but thats just me)
[09:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> sub-version *
[09:23] <domas> kaushal: mysql.com/enterprise/, subscribe, install stuff from there
[09:23] <domas> easy
[09:23] <kaushal> so you mean install it from source
[09:35] <_ruben> i'd suggest looking into the debian new maintainers guide on how to 'manually' roll a newer version of a package .. it isnt that hard really
[09:35] <domas> or subscribe to mysql enterprise :)
[09:35] <_ruben> building from source is asking for trouble
[09:35] <domas> muhuh
[09:35] <domas> this reminds me, that gcc-4.2 produced broken code for me, whereas gcc-4.1 worked properly (on hardy)
[09:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> or just use .51
[09:35] <hads> Indeed
[09:36] <_ruben> using .51 would indeed be the best solution
[09:36] <domas> using 5.0.68 would be best, though
[09:36]  * Kamping_Kaiser mutters under his breath about web developers who write code for micro-versions of all the apps involved
[09:36] <_ruben> rolling your own package is a decent second
[09:36] <domas> or actually, using 5.0.68 with my and google patches ;-)
[09:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, the 'remote root' patch? ;)
[09:37] <domas> Kamping_Kaiser: hey, default ubuntu package can provide you with remote root ;-)
[09:38] <domas> I just notified security@ few days ago
[09:38] <domas> if anyone reads it
[09:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, hehe. i do get dsa's, but didnt know there was an ubuntu security list
[09:38] <domas> probably should've forwarded that to debian too
[09:39] <domas> but as I don't use debian, I don't care much :-)
[09:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> :o
[09:39] <domas> anyway, there's mysql packaging mistake that opens few security bugs
[09:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> *i* use debian :P
[09:40] <lukehasnoname> OpenBSD 4.4 came out 2 days ago
[09:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> lukehasnoname, orly?
[09:40] <domas> Kamping_Kaiser: :-)
[09:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, :)
[09:41] <lukehasnoname> quite rly
[09:42] <domas> anyway, running old mysql versions is stupid! :)
[09:42] <domas> every time I see someone running a 2-year-old distro package, it makes me cry
[09:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> phtt.
[09:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> if it hasnt been out for two years it wont be stable
[09:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> :p
[09:44] <domas> well, thats why 5.0 is up to 5.0.68
[09:44] <domas> because it has been out for two years and has had lots and lots of fixes
[09:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeah. but not necesarily ones that need a new install
[09:46] <lukehasnoname> the server guide for intrepid still isn't up!
[09:46] <domas> Kamping_Kaiser: thats what you think :)
[09:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, yes, i'm a debian user :p
[09:46] <lukehasnoname> It's been 4 days since launch, and Canonical/Ubuntu still haven't put the draft up to the current documentation!
[09:47] <domas> Kamping_Kaiser: I work mostly with people who run mysql at very much core of things :)
[09:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, the one time i've been close and personal with mysql was my last job, and it was a bad setup. my current job we use mysql, but only to backend our bts/wiki/etc
[09:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> s/backend our/backend our internal
[09:49] <domas> well, my major mysql place is backing a wiki too!
[09:49] <domas> I run my own mysql fork there :)
[09:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> :o
[09:50] <domas> 4.0.40 ;-)
[09:50] <domas> (the official last release is 4.0.30 ;-)
[09:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> the last place i used it (that time referenced) it was a badly setup system i inherited - 5 or 6 copies of mysql running on one system for different webapps. it was nasty.
[09:50] <domas> hehehe
[09:50] <domas> we got recently 20 new database boxes, 32gig ram, 16-15krpm-disks, etc, nice ones
[09:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> nice.
[09:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> if they ask me to work there agian they'll have to put up with some architecting. one dedicated db box would have made a massive difference (as i'm sure your aware :D)
[09:53] <domas> 30 dedicated boxes!
[09:54] <domas> uhm
[09:54] <domas> and yes :)
[09:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> we didnt *have* 30 boxes!
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, i'm actually wondering how you got 16 drives into a server - is it an array hooked up, or do you have a crazy box with 16 drives? didnt think they sold them anymore
[09:55] <domas> Kamping_Kaiser: X4240
[09:56] <domas> Kamping_Kaiser: brilliant machine
[09:56] <domas> http://www.sun.com/servers/x64/x4240/
[09:56] <domas> 2u, 16 disks
[09:56] <domas> <3
[09:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> aaah, wow. Sun still make them <3
[09:57] <_ruben> Kamping_Kaiser: supermicro has chassis upto 24 disks (4U) .. 16disks in 3U (got 2 of those as SANs)
[09:57] <domas> _ruben: 16 disks in 2u is way better than in 3u! :)
[09:57] <domas> btw, what can cause this: http://p.defau.lt/?hC8C7MTk9BdTKBEHFgcsqA
[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ruben, we have some supermicro boxes at work, but i thought they didnt make the 24's anymore
[09:57] <domas> i/o controller issues? CPU? etc?
[09:58] <_ruben> domas: true, sun has some nifty hardware layouts ;)
[09:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> bloody frieght company *lost* one of our two 24 drive supermicros
[09:58] <domas> we used to use 24/16 disk supermicros for our storage servers
[09:58] <domas> now we switched to thumpers
[09:58] <domas> (X4500s)
[09:58] <domas> thumper with ZFS is teh awesome
[09:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, looks like what we got when some of our raid controllers worked themselves loose
[09:59] <_ruben> 16x1GB sata in raid10 makes for a semi decent storage backend for our internal virtual servers (esxi)
[10:00]  * Kamping_Kaiser goes back to drooling over sun boxes
[10:00] <domas> _ruben: where the heck did you get 1GB drives?
[10:00] <domas> _ruben: ;-ppp
[10:00] <_ruben> domas: back in the 80's ... or maybe they were 1TB ones :p
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehehe
[10:00] <domas> _ruben: nowai, I remember back in '96 I had ~1GB drive
[10:01] <domas> Kamping_Kaiser: we managed to read 3GB/s from thumper disks
[10:01] <_ruben> i remember when i went out with my dad to buy our first pc .. a laser xt .. pondered about getting a 20MB hdd or not
[10:01] <_ruben> 3GB/s .. damn :P
[10:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, nice. not sure what we get from our arrays at work (head+stacks of fibrechannel). its not my area (tm)
[10:01] <domas> pity default configuration has just 4 GEs
[10:02] <domas> should put in 10G NICs to fully utilize the i/o bandwidth
[10:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, just looked at the x4500 - whoaoo!
[10:04] <domas> X4540 is even more impressive
[10:04] <domas> it is next-generation X4500
[10:04] <maswan> domas: Yes, the hp dl185 is somewhat more balanced with network bandwidth vs storage ammount
[10:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, i wont bother looking - at the price of those i cant even dream anymore
[10:05] <domas> dl185 is very weak, compared
[10:05] <domas> Kamping_Kaiser: it is a goddamn listprice
[10:05] <domas> it has desktop motherboard inside :)
[10:06] <domas> maswan: thumper is ideal for stuff where you do some limited filtering at storage layer
[10:06] <maswan> domas: 2 gigE/10TB is better than 4 gigE/40TB
[10:06] <maswan> especially if you're not sure you can do any kind of bonding
[10:06] <maswan> I store files to/from the network.
[10:06] <domas> maswan: you can use 10GE interfaces in thumpers
[10:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, list price in $US
[10:06] <domas> Kamping_Kaiser: still, it goes down :)
[10:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, true
[10:07] <domas> maswan: thumper has internal bandwidth to support 4x10GE
[10:07] <maswan> domas: Do they support cx4/rj45 yet, or is it still just optics?
[10:07] <domas> optics, I guess
[10:07] <maswan> domas: Well, in an ideal load, yes. In practice, you lose quite a bit, as with all storage, when you put less than ideal load (multiple reads and writes) on it.
[10:08] <domas> maswan: anyway, one of win-win-things here is rackspace
[10:08] <maswan> domas: Sure, if that's precious. We run out of power and cooling before we run out of space.
[10:09] <maswan> domas: How much does a x4540 use in practice btw? We haven't measured one yet.
[10:09] <domas> maswan: ~1kW iirc
[10:09] <maswan> domas: So roughly the same per TB as a dl185.
[10:10] <maswan> That comes in at ~230W
[10:10] <domas> thats not much
[10:11] <domas> would expect a bit more
[10:12] <domas> ghm, maybe it was 800w
[10:12] <domas> should ask our datacenter guy :)
[10:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> DoS is always a nice bug
[10:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> and a 000 as well
[10:13] <_ruben> same problem here .. run out of power/cooling before room .. which sucks
[10:13] <maswan> domas: We have a tender out which is likely to end up with 5 x4540s or 20 dl185s, so we'll see.
[10:13] <domas> maswan: what os/software are you using for all that storage management?
[10:14] <maswan> domas: locally, these will be solaris+zfs. globally it is dcache (http://www.dcache.org) for our distributed LHC tier1 at http://www.ndgf.org. (The head nodes run ubuntu, so we're still on topic here ;) )
[10:14] <\sh> phew...I was thinking about the x4500 series of sun for storage...but 2x dl365 with dual quads and 32gb ram + p800 + 2 msa60 is good enough ;) for the x4500 I really don't like the location of the drives
[10:15] <domas> maswan: interesting
[10:16] <maswan> Oh, if you want to run zfs on hp hardware, test the plain sas hba instead of the cciss. We got a factor of 4 performance increase on our test-dl185.
[10:16] <domas> maswan: the site I was talking about is my hobby/nonprofit activity, I work for Sun ;-)
[10:16] <domas> I'd expect ZFS to be fast with direct access to disks
[10:17] <maswan> domas: Ah, ok. :)
[10:17] <\sh> maswan: uh...that's a lot
[10:17] <domas> is dcache any good for media files storage maagement?
[10:18] <domas> \sh: the location of drives is not too bad, you can still service it online
[10:18] <domas> \sh: just have proper cabling/rails/etc
[10:18] <domas> it is a bit scary, when you take it out of rack for servicing
[10:18] <maswan> domas: It could be, I suspect it is still a bit too rough aroudn the edges to be very useful for the general public (outisde HEP or HPC) though.
[10:18] <domas> aokie
[10:18] <\sh> domas: well, the best way to have it build into a rack is at the bottom...
[10:19] <\sh> domas: and sun tells the admin, please exchange the sata drives every year...;)
[10:19] <maswan> domas: But on the plus side, it is getting developed. And it does scale to the "a few PB" scale, which is good for media. :)
[10:19] <domas> \sh: doesn't matter much, I've seen people having full racks of X4500s
[10:19] <domas> maswan: does it do data replication?
[10:19] <maswan> I've seen people having dozens of racks side by side full of x4500s.
[10:19] <domas> (we're probably going to do ZFS send/recv for now, but... ;-)
[10:19] <domas> maswan: you beat me! :)
[10:19] <maswan> domas: Yes, but it is a not very commonly exercised code path.
[10:20] <domas> maswan: I'm from the .org/.com world, not HPC/grids ;-)
[10:20] <\sh> domas: not in such an environment like this: http://gallery.sourcecode.de/d/320-2/b028319l.JPG ;)
[10:20] <domas> maswan: though I was recently in SARA and saw some of scientific capabilities :(((
[10:20] <domas> \sh: haha, supermicros!
[10:20] <maswan> domas: *nods*, IN2P3 in Lyon is a big x4500 installation, I think they are up to 20:ish racks.
[10:20] <maswan> well, x45[04]0
[10:20] <\sh> domas: old DC ...
[10:21] <\sh> domas: 4 rooms full of them...:(
[10:21] <domas> okok, we have just few thumpers
[10:21] <domas> goddamn, anyone can download our site, and they're doing it
[10:22] <domas> :)))
[10:22] <domas> actually, once upon a time I bought a supermicro box for '3-month temporary media storage'
[10:22] <domas> it ended up having 900 day uptime
[10:22] <domas> and the sad part of it - IPMI/NFS port collision crashed it afterwards :(
[10:23] <maswan> "Sun X45xx ( 146 Thumpers & 108Thors) usable space 6.1 PB" was the reference I was looking for for IN2P3.
[10:23] <\sh> domas: the problem was not supermirco...the problem these days was areca...maswan knows the story about kernel, areca module and fun ;)
[10:23] <\sh> bah...coffee + nicotine
[10:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all
[10:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> sleep time for me :( all your words are belong to my logs!
[10:24] <maswan> \sh: well, GSI has had some interesting supermicro problems too, with their burning backplanes. :)
[10:24] <domas> it is noon here :)
[10:24] <domas> anyway, our supermicro box survived for 3 years, being main media server
[10:24] <domas> that was so sad
[10:24] <domas> (and we couldn't make backups eventually, because it was too loaded :-)
[10:25] <maswan> eww
[10:25] <domas> see, we're nonprofit running one of bigger websites
[10:25] <domas> we don't have cash all around
[10:25]  * maswan nods
[10:25] <domas> I feel a bit desperate sometimes when I see scientific computing facilities :)
[10:25] <domas> we run like... top10 website on 400 boxes in total
[10:26] <domas> and they have tens of thousands boxes doing... um... something!
[10:26] <maswan> yup
[10:26] <maswan> In my dayjob, I help run one of the LHC tier1, with thousands of compute nodes and petabyte-scale storage.
[10:27] <domas> hehe
[10:27] <domas> I had to work a bit with people building petabyte mysql databases
[10:27] <maswan> In my spare time I help run ftp.acc.umu.se which is purely donated equipment, and still manages a few gigabit/s of mozilla/ubuntu/debian etc. :)
[10:27] <domas> hehe
[10:27] <domas> we pay for bandwidth :(
[10:28] <maswan> http://ftp.acc.umu.se/about/ <- if you want to take a look at our magic caching setup for media delivery
[10:29] <domas> http://dammit.lt/uc/workbook2007.pdf for ours ;-)
[10:29] <\sh> maswan: oh...burning backplanes...I know that feeling
[10:30] <maswan> domas: our redirect+hacked mod_disk_cache is happy to handle a few tens of thousands of requests per second,
[10:31] <domas> well, you don't do evictions probably
[10:31] <maswan> I don't know how well it'd scale. :)
[10:31] <domas> we have to rely a lot on evictions
[10:32] <maswan> lunch, I'll get back to this. :)
[10:38] <domas> damn, I hate computers, and filesystems most of all
[10:38] <domas> filesystems and block layers
[10:41] <\sh> disappearing for one week now...nightshifts in DCs is fun work ,-)
[10:41] <domas> hehe
[10:41] <domas> have fun then :)
[10:53] <domas> jeeez I'm an idiot
[10:53] <domas> my XFS machines had barrier support enabled for I/O
[11:04] <maswan> domas: We do handle eviction, by handling Last-Modified and stat:ing (with some timeout, we can serve old files up to 10 minutes in current configuration, IIRC)
[11:04] <maswan> stat:ing the file on the backend NFS
[11:04] <domas> thats expiration, not eviction :)
[11:04] <maswan> oh, is there a difference?
[11:06] <domas> there is! :)
[11:06] <domas> LRU/time based evictions are expected, forced evictions are not
[11:06] <domas> we purge objects whenever something changes
[11:07] <maswan> Ah, we don't care and expect LRU to take care of it later.
[11:14] <domas> yup! lucky bastards!
[11:14] <domas> once upon a time I was doing acceleration for a website, where it was all expiration-based
[11:15] <domas> if anyone wanted up-to-date inforation, they could just hit 'refresh' on their browser :)
[11:35] <maswan> I guess our method _could_ just hook out an rm on the appropriate host and file though.
[11:35] <maswan> but that would have "some" overhead. :)
[11:49] <domas> maswan: we have multiple layers in multiple continents
[11:49] <domas> maswan: with failover, CARP, etc
[11:49] <domas> stuff gets complicated eventually
[11:49] <domas> thats why I asked about storage software %)
[11:49] <domas> sometimes people have good solutions
[12:54] <maswan> domas: as a sun guy, shouldn't you be pushing lustre everywhere? ;P
[13:29] <domas> maswan: I have... um.. conflicts of interest!
[14:00] <J-_> Is there a reason why I'm getting, "5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3999ms"
[14:00] <J-_> I can ssh into my server
[14:01] <J-_> I can ping my local IP
[14:01] <J-_> can't ping my IP
[14:01] <J-_> hmm
[14:01] <J-_> wonder if I got hacked
[14:02]  * delcoyote hi
[14:03] <J-_> I restarted apach2, but that didn't do anything
[14:03] <J-_> apache2
[14:06] <J-_> I can't seem to connect to my server with my local IP either
[14:06] <J-_> that sucks
[14:09] <domas> J-_: someone is filtering :)
[14:09] <J-_> what do you mean?
[14:12] <domas> iptables -L
[14:12] <domas> damn, found the problem with oprofile
[14:12] <domas> hehe, /bin/sh is dash, not bash
[14:17] <J-_> domas:  all three chains have, target     prot opt source               destination
[14:20] <J-_> I just restarted mysql, and, it said the restart went okay, twice. But, after it said, "* Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables."
[14:20] <J-_> Is this normal?
[14:20] <domas> yes
[14:20] <domas> ubuntu scripts are braindead in this regard
[14:20] <domas> and do database check after every restart
[14:21] <domas> that is an example of extreme stupidity, but oh well
[14:21] <J-_> domas:  You want me to do a database check after each restart, or was that ubuntu checking for me?
[14:22] <_ruben> the latter
[14:22] <domas> I think it is extremely stupid to run checks after every restart
[14:23] <domas> thats like traversing and reading every file on your filesystem after every reboot
[14:24] <J-_> kk. :)
[14:24] <J-_> Man, this sucks
[14:24] <domas> (this hits hard people with terabyte databases ;-)
[14:25] <J-_> Maybe I'll switch ethernet ports on my router. actually, switch to a new cat5 cable too.
[14:25]  * J-_ runs off the server.
[14:26]  * ScottK hopes it doesn't hurt when J-_ lands.
[14:27] <J-_> off to the server* :P
[14:28] <J-_> Yep, something definitely going on here.
[14:28] <J-_> blah!
[14:28] <J-_> I suppose I should wait a couple minutes incase  the DNS/ IP have to sync.
[14:28]  * J-_ waits
[14:30] <J-_> http://www.speedtest.net/result/349489942.png
[14:30] <J-_> hmmmmmmm
[14:31] <J-_> blarrrrrrrgh
[14:32] <J-_> What can I do to troubleshoot? What logs should I look at?
[14:39] <matthewi>  /ignore #ubuntu-server CRAP NOTICES SNOTES CTCPS JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES WALLOPS NICKS DCC DCCMSGS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS HILIGHTS
[14:42]  * J-_ pulls his hair out
[14:42] <J-_> It's turning grey faster than ever!
[14:43] <J-_> Heh, I can't even do a traceroute to my domain
[14:43] <J-_> :(
[14:43] <J-_> My ISP must have shut me off
[14:43] <J-_> stupid ISP
[14:44] <J-_> Guess I'll shut the server off, and find something else to consume my time while I'm here.
[14:46] <_ruben> i'd spend that time bitching at your isp, if they'd disco you without prior notice
[14:48] <J-_> I wonder if my domain ran out
[14:48] <J-_> could that be a cause too?
[14:50] <J-_> I doubt it since I tried to go to my IP and it didn't work out
[14:50] <J-_> blah
[14:53] <om4r> exit
[14:56] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #292836 in samba (main) "Cannot browse samba shares" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292836
[14:57] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #292191 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "could not install 'mysql-server-5.0'" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292191
[15:42] <tmccrary> nfs boot support seems to be broken in intrepid
[16:55] <didrocks> sommer: there is a dead link in the serverguide at page http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/libvirt.html
[16:55] <didrocks> it is pointing to https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/installation-guide/ at "Ubuntu installation Guide"
[17:37] <iAlien> i have ubuntu server installed on a laptop - is there a way to shut off the lcd monitor being i only access it via ssh. the only commands i have found online are if you run X
[17:39] <lukehasnoname> close the laptop
[17:40] <antdedyet> don't forget to store the laptop in a locking steel droor, securely bolted into concrete flooring
[17:40] <antdedyet> (after it's closed, of course)
[17:42] <iAlien> tried that already
[17:44] <sommer> didrocks: it's because the 8.10 documentation hasn't been updated on the site yet
[17:46] <iAlien> antdedyet, i'm just using it to do website development before i move the site to our hosting provider. i'm tempted to put it infront of the exchange server for spam / virus filtering
[17:51] <antdedyet> iAlien: ah, nothing like allocating temporary machines as a proof of concept on how to harden the soft.
[17:54] <iAlien> the sad thing is with my budget ( being a non-profit) -- it would likely become permanent.
[17:56] <antdedyet> iAlien: would it be permanent if there's no way to turn the monitor off?
[17:57] <antdedyet> but you know some smart marketing guy is always going to make it know that if you were a Real Engineer you would just cut the hard wires to the unmonitor.
[17:57] <antdedyet> s/know/known
[17:58] <antdedyet> er, unmonitor = monitor
[17:58] <antdedyet> <-- :)
[17:59] <tmccrary> Does anyone know where the "nfsmount" command source code is? Specifically the version included with initrd images?
[18:00] <zul> tmccrary: packages.ubuntu.com
[18:01] <iAlien> antdedyet, i was just planning on putting the machine next the the windows server ( and put a sign do not remove ) and make the change
[18:01] <tmccrary>    You have searched for packages that names contain nfsmount in suite(s) intrepid, all sections, and all architectures.       Sorry, your search gave no results
[18:01] <tmccrary> yet.. its in there
[18:01] <tmccrary> and its not some kind of symlink
[18:02] <tmccrary> it apparently does some kind of function like pivot_root
[18:02] <tmccrary> but I cannot find the source for it anywhere
[18:02] <tmccrary> or even a mention on google
[18:02] <tmccrary> which is bizarre
[18:03] <iAlien> i think i figured out how to turn the monitor off
[18:06] <iAlien> hmmm
[18:07] <Deeps> iAlien: do tell if you work it out
[18:08] <Deeps> tmccrary: you're not searching for packages whos names contain nfsmount
[18:08] <Deeps> you want to search the contents of packges
[18:08] <Deeps> that's the next search box down
[18:09] <iAlien> hmmm if i manually press the close lid button in the bios the monitor shuts off, but it does not when booted into linux
[18:19] <tmccrary> Deeps, thanks
[18:55] <moo---> how do I check if my kernel is Xen enabled?
[18:56] <domas> uname -a
[18:56] <domas> Xen kernels are called -xen
[18:56] <domas> :)
[18:58] <Nafallo> uname -r then ;-)
[18:59] <moo---> thx
[18:59] <moo---> ok - i assume sudo apt-get install ubuntu-xen-server does not automatically add a new kernel?
[18:59] <moo---> on ibex
[19:03] <iAlien> i thinki may just bring in one of the systems i have around my house, its only a pentium class but should be fine
[19:04] <iAlien> maybe not --- no room for it
[19:08] <domas> moo---: it probably doesn't reboot your box ;-)
[19:08] <moo---> domas: why is that?
[19:08] <moo---> domas: does not sound a very human being thing ;)
[19:38] <mathiaz> ScottK: do you have some preliminary ideas (1 or 2) about the mail server stack for Jaunty?
[19:39] <ScottK> mathiaz: I think the main thing is to pursue better/easier integration.
[19:39] <ScottK> mathiaz: This can be done a number of ways, but that's the direction.
[19:40] <mathiaz> ScottK: I'm preparing the Server session I'll run tomorrow for the Open Week. I'll talk about what has been done in intrepid on the mail server stack and I'd like to get one or two details about what might happen in Jaunty.
[19:40] <mathiaz> ScottK: IIRC ivoks and you were talking about amavisd-new integration
[19:41] <ScottK> OK.  I think in Intrepid we got to a 'complete' solution by adding clamav and spamassassin and took some first steps in Intregration.
[19:41] <ScottK> mathiaz: I blogged about the integration work that got done here; http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2008/10/easy_smtp_filter_and_policy_se.html
[19:47] <mathiaz> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/66906/ -> is this an good statement of what you're thinking for Jaunty?
[19:47]  * ScottK looks
[19:48] <ScottK> mathiaz: Let's not tag me with it individually.  I have some ideas, but I don't know I'll have the free time.
[19:49] <mathiaz> ScottK: right. I'll add a sentence that help is welcome.
[19:49] <mathiaz> ScottK: the idea is to give a sneak preview of what *might* come in jaunty to spike interest of prospective developers.
[19:50] <ScottK> The goal would be to be able to script installation of postfix, amavisd-new, spamasassin, and clamav in an integrated, working configuration with no hand editing of config files needed.
[19:51] <ScottK> How's that sound?
[19:51] <mathiaz> ScottK: great!
[19:51] <lamont> ScottK: that sounds very good
[19:51] <domas> teeheeeee
[19:51] <domas> "Thank you for reporting this, however security@ubuntu.com is not the
[19:51] <domas> proper forum to report bugs. Please go to
[19:51] <domas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug and file a bug in our bug
[19:51] <domas> tracker. Feel free to mark it as a security vulnerability."
[19:51] <domas> oh, sorry, thought that will be one line paste
[19:51] <domas> (excuses excuses)
[19:51] <Cosmos-Tristan> ok got a question
[19:52] <jdstrand> domas: I just sent you that
[19:52] <domas> jdstrand: filing a bug!
[19:52] <domas> jdstrand: I went to some security page and found email there
[19:52] <Cosmos-Tristan> what?
[19:52] <domas> jdstrand: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn refers the email
[19:52] <jdstrand> domas: perhaps I can get the page updated if it isn't clear. do you have the link?
[19:52] <jdstrand> heh
[19:52] <domas> hehe! ME FAST!
[19:53] <jdstrand> that really should be updated...
[19:53] <jdstrand> domas: thanks
[19:53] <domas> jdstrand: pleasure to assist with sorting that out
[19:53] <domas> jdstrand: /usn is alias for /security too
[19:54]  * jdstrand nods
[19:56] <Cosmos-Tristan> is there any good dyndns (dynamic domain name service) dyndns.com update clients
[19:56] <Cosmos-Tristan> dynds update clients
[19:56] <Cosmos-Tristan> any that will just work right out of the box with a few commands/keystrokes
[19:57] <domas> jdstrand: bug#293258
[19:58] <Cosmos-Tristan> ..
[19:58] <jdstrand> domas: thanks
[19:58] <domas> jdstrand: I realize this may be upstream issue, just.. was a bit lazy to talk to Debian people :)
[19:59] <jdstrand> domas: it affects us, so reporting it to us is fine
[19:59] <domas> okie
[20:00] <domas> ubuntu server is a huge gift to humanity! I'll assist in any way I can!
[20:00] <jdstrand> awesome! :)
[20:00] <domas> ( should I point out all recursive mutex problems too? :-)
[20:00] <Cosmos-Tristan> i think I found a client
[20:00] <Cosmos-Tristan> http:// mexpolk.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/ubuntu-gutsy-dyndns-client-setup/
[20:01] <Cosmos-Tristan> but its for gutzy, not intrepid/the most recent 8.10 ubuntu server release
[20:01] <domas> one of my most annoying ubuntu-server issues: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imagemagick/+bug/164533 ;-)
[20:02] <domas> few more years and it will be fixed :)
[20:02] <Cosmos-Tristan> mm
[20:03] <Cosmos-Tristan> hm
[20:03]  * Cosmos-Tristan is listening to "ÓßŌŃõÕµń°█²P┘É|╠ń"
[20:03] <Cosmos-Tristan> Speech disabled.
[20:03] <Cosmos-Tristan> Speech enabled.
[20:03] <Cosmos-Tristan> sorry bout that guys
[20:15] <localhost> lol
[20:19] <moo---> I can't find vmlinuz kernel file for amd64 ibex
[20:19] <Cosmos-s> ahem?
[20:19] <andol> moo---: I might just be called "linux", if you'r refering to the file I think you are.
[20:19] <Cosmos-s> oh what's the package name for mail server
[20:20] <Cosmos-s> ello?
[20:20]  * Cosmos-s wonders if anyone is alive.
[20:20] <moo---> andol: http://pastebin.com/m22bfff58
[20:21] <Cosmos-s> hello?
[20:21] <andol> Cosmos-s: Well, there is a task(sel) called mail-server
[20:21] <Cosmos-s> so apt-get install mail-server?
[20:21] <Cosmos-s> how do i start the task oops
[20:22] <andol> moo---: ls -l /vmlinuz
[20:22] <andol> Cosmos-s: Well, if you want a menu, you can simply run: sudo tasksel
[20:22] <moo---> andol: /vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-server
[20:23] <andol> moo---: There you are :) Or were there something else you were looking for?
[20:23] <moo---> yes
[20:23] <moo---> where is my xen hypervisor support?
[20:23] <moo---> [moo@bison][22:23][~]% sudo xm
[20:23] <moo---> ERROR Internal error: Could not obtain handle on privileged command interface (2 = No such file or directory)
[20:23] <Cosmos-s> how do i start it, though?
[20:23] <andol> Cosmos-s: or else you directly run: sudo tasksel install mail-server
[20:24] <moo---> andol: 1) if the default ibex kernel includes hypervisor support how do I start it? 2) if not where has the -xen kernel gone?
[20:25] <andol> moo---: Good question. I don't know.
[20:25] <moo---> the next question is, who knows?
[20:26] <Cosmos-s> its just sitting there
[20:27] <andol> Cosmos-s: What is?
[20:27] <Cosmos-s> please wait 0%
[20:27] <andol> moo---: Google? suitable forum?
[20:28] <moo---> have been googling 3 hours now
[20:28] <moo---> I think this is a new issue
[20:28] <Cosmos-s> Package configuration
[20:28] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó┬ż Installing packages ├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó
[20:28] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó Please wait...                                                            ├ó
[20:28] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                                                           ├ó
[20:28] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                                                           ├ó
[20:28] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                                                           ├ó
[20:28] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                     0%                                    ├ó
[20:28] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                                                           ├ó
[20:28] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó
[20:28] <domas> thanks!
[20:28] <moo---> so I try to reach a person who actually might know something about this
[20:28] <moo---> and I thought all hardcore hackers spent their time on #ubuntu-server ;)
[20:29] <Cosmos-s> uh?
[20:29] <mathiaz> moo---: have you tried #ubuntu-virt?
[20:29] <moo---> mathiaz: there is such a place
[20:29] <domas> moo---: I'm still happy with hardy!
[20:29] <domas> btw, anyone knows why ddebs site has broken Packages files?
[20:29] <domas> or actually, is the whole ddebs process broken?
[20:30] <Cosmos-s> hey this is what i get
[20:30] <Cosmos-s> Package configuration
[20:30] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó┬ż Installing packages ├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó
[20:30] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó Please wait...                                                            ├ó
[20:30] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                                                           ├ó
[20:30] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                                                           ├ó
[20:30] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                                                           ├ó
[20:30] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                     0%                                    ├ó
[20:30] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                                                           ├ó
[20:30] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó
[20:30] <mathiaz> !paste | Cosmos-s
[20:30] <moo---> mathiaz: thx!
[20:31] <Cosmos-s> !paste
[20:32] <Cosmos-s> ok so
[20:32] <Cosmos-s> what' si tmean
[20:34] <moo---> Cosmos-s: don't copy-paste on this channel dircetly, use pastebin isntead
[20:35] <Cosmos-s> w/e
[21:24] <yann2> http://pastealacon.com/1570 - I've got a disk controller that seems to *freeze* sometimes for a couple of seconds (2 - 10 secs)
[21:24] <yann2> I have no idea how to troubleshoot further - it's a  nVidia Corporation CK804 Serial ATA Controller
[21:25] <yann2> any known issues? Idea how to get more infos?
[21:25] <kraut> nvidia foo is teh crap
[21:25] <yann2> sun fire server though :)
[21:25] <kraut> yep, it sucks hell, the nvidia NICs are a nightmare
[21:26] <domas> try upgrading firmware
[21:26] <yann2> here we go again..  http://pastealacon.com/1571 .. 5 secs for something that takes usually 0.03secs...
[21:26] <domas> :)
[21:26] <domas> and open support case with Sun too
[21:26] <yann2> i got ubuntu support.. x2100 is supported hardware in theory
[21:26] <yann2> think that may help?
[21:27] <yann2> bah I'll see.. never used the support so far
[21:27] <domas> I've escalated some RAID issues internally, having more cases open help :)
[21:37] <MatBoy> has someone used proftpd + mysql auth and shell login ?
[21:44] <DavGerm4> hey I'm having trouble getting ubuntu seen outside my network?  Like if someone typed in the external IP it would usually say "It Works", but it doesn't go anywhere?
[21:56] <Gino> hi, is there a way to centralize user managment in ubuntu server?
[21:56] <domas> centralize ?
[21:56] <Gino> i mean a easy way to use kerberos/LDAP
[21:56] <Gino> or somethings like that
[21:57] <Gino> sorry for my poor english
[21:57] <domas> well, you can use PAM or NSS
[21:58] <Gino> where can i find some documention for ubuntu?
[21:58] <Gino> is something strange what i have asked?
[21:58] <domas> Gino: try with 'apt-get install authtool'
[21:58] <domas> or apt-get install auth-client-config
[21:58] <domas> do note, there're separate issues client of authentication provider, and actual provider
[22:00] <Gino> when you have many server to manage what do you do for user account?
[22:00] <domas> unix accounts or service accounts?
[22:00] <domas> at the moment we're using NIS
[22:00] <Gino> both
[22:00] <domas> though people use puppet nowadays
[22:01] <domas> for systems management
[22:01] <domas> LDAP is common choice if you want services integration
[22:01] <Gino> ok thank you
[22:02] <Gino> just one more question
[22:02] <Gino> is there a way to add a virtual machine to a kerberos realm automatically during the creation with python-vm-builder?
[22:07] <ScottK> leonel: New clamav is out.  Looking at the Changelog I didn't see any obvious security stuff, but there's an off by one error that should be looked at.
[22:11] <johnbollwitt> Hi folks.  I'm wondering if anyone might have some insight on how to get Railo running on Ubuntu server?  I'm pretty hard up for help on this one.
[22:25] <jgjones> Greetings
[22:25] <jgjones> Quick question...
[22:25] <jgjones> I'm looking into something that is like iFolder - which seem like an excellent product but doesn't seem to be in active development? Any good alternatives?
[22:26] <jgjones> Currently we're using the Microsoft's solution - Offline Files over a PPTP VPN.
[22:27] <jgjones> Licencing cost is a reason for looking at alternatives.
[22:58] <Cosmos-s> ello
[22:58] <Cosmos-s> !paste
[23:00] <Tristan-B> ok
[23:00] <Tristan-B> here ya go
[23:00] <Tristan-B> i'm having a problem with this
[23:00] <r00tintheb0x> Anyone fimiliar w/Dell CERT SATA RAID controllers.
[23:00] <r00tintheb0x> I hope I didnt nuke my array.
[23:01] <Tristan-B> http://paste.ubuntu.com/67008/
[23:01] <r00tintheb0x> I had to replace a drive in a raid1 array, and my only option was to re-create the array.
[23:01] <Tristan-B> !paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/67008/
[23:01] <Tristan-B> any good ansi c-compilers that i can use
[23:01] <Tristan-B> !p
[23:01] <Tristan-B> !
[23:02] <Tristan-B> got it
[23:02] <Tristan-B> does anyone see the c compiler thing
[23:03] <Tristan-B> !help
[23:04] <Tristan-B> ... alive out there?
[23:05]  * Tristan-B growls
[23:05] <Tristan-B> quit
[23:34] <Appl3Kork> ok so I finally got the server outside the home network.  But is it possible to edit things through PuTTY from outside the network? or does it have to be on the same network?