[00:03] <hat0> hi all.  does anyone know what the replacement utility to displayconfig-gtk will be?  (or which package it's in, if i wanted to install it)  i'd like to be able to set up the dual-monitor support that x.org 7.4 is supposed to make easier/better....
[00:14] <favro> hat0: afaik it is xinerama
[00:14] <favro> !xinerama
[00:32] <Ciaran> !bot
[00:40] <hat0> favro, the thing about that is, in 8.04 there was a program called displayconfig-gtk, which basically automated a lot of that conf file editing.  displayconfig-gtk is gone now, replaced probably by something, adn i'd like to fidn out what...  it's not that i can't edit the conf file by hand, it's that computers in 2008 shouldn't need that.
[00:41] <Odd-rationale> !find displayconfig
[00:43] <New> Hello
[00:43] <Odd-rationale> !hi | New
[00:45] <Odd-rationale> hat0: yeah, it does seem to be gone in intrepid... idk what replaced it though... (i don't think any did...)
[00:45] <hat0> Odd-rationale: thank god it's not just me! :)
[00:53] <dcolish> its been replaced by Screen Resolution Tool https://code.launchpad.net/~displayconfig-gtk/displayconfig-gtk/ubuntu
[00:56] <dcolish> more on the decision here http://blog.qa.ubuntu.com/node/9
[00:57] <owen9914> hi dcolish. thanks for help earlier i installed it on my aa1 and dont have any resolution problems after all.
[00:58] <dcolish> owen9914: Glad to hear it,  after doing some research it looks like a lot of work went into fixing xorg config woes this release
[01:01] <owen9914> yeah looks like it. only problem i have is with sound not working.
[01:02] <Tetracomm> I just installed a program using make install and this is the error I get when I try to run it, help?: http://pastebin.com/d56a830e
[01:02] <dcolish> ha yeah, I'll less familiar with sound drivers, but I know there are some good wikis on fixing the intel sound cards
[01:03] <dcolish> !sound | owen9914
[01:03] <gaurdro> anyone else having random shutdown issues with the new kernel?
[01:03] <gaurdro> as in my computer randomly shuts down not an error during shutdown
[01:06] <dcolish> gaurdro: do you have any interesting output from messages? or dmesg?
[01:07] <gidi> hi
[01:07] <gidi> how can i add a keyboard shortcut to change keyboard language??
[01:07] <gaurdro> not from dmesg, I only have stuff from after it shutdown.
[01:08] <dcolish> i'm no kernel hacker, but if you put it in pastebin i'll try to help out
[01:09] <gidi> sorry but are you both talking to me?:)
[01:09] <dcolish> gidi: nope, was trying to help out gaurdro
[01:11] <gaurdro> i don't see anything interesting from dmesg b/c it's stuff after it's restarted nothing from before.  is there anywhere else interesting info might be?
[01:12] <dcolish> there could be something in /var/log/messages
[01:15] <owen9914> dcolish: thanks again i have sound working now.
[01:16] <dcolish> gidi:  you'd need to restart X in order to change the keyboard layout so I think you'd need  script to swap out the xorgs for each language
[01:16] <dcolish> owen9914: no problem
[01:17] <dcolish> gidi:  https://help.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html
[01:17] <gidi> well i need a shortcut to change keyboard language
[01:18] <gaurdro> i think i found something interesting,  http://pastebin.ca/1243649
[01:18] <gidi> for now I use the mouse to do that
[01:19] <dcolish> whats the program you control with the mouse? just setup a script to control that and call the script from a keyboard shortcut
[01:21] <gidi> well i added in the panel the "keyboard layout switcher" but i am not sure if that is an "official name"
[01:21] <gaurdro> it might be thermaling off, i notice my fan hadn't been running even though i was running a processor intensive task.
[01:22] <gidi> ok i think is XKB but i am not sure..
[01:22] <dcolish> yup, gidi http://ubuntu.sabza.org/2006/10/13/xubuntu-easily-switch-keyboard-layout/
[01:23] <dcolish> gaurdro: you might want to try turning off laptop-mode
[01:23] <gidi> i'll try this out
[01:23] <gidi> thanks a lot!!!
[01:23] <dcolish> gidi: np, when doubt, Dr. Google
[01:23] <gaurdro> dcolish, where's that setting located?
[01:24] <dcolish> its on the commandline, hold on i'm looking up proper use
[01:24] <dcolish> haven't used it that often
[01:26] <dcolish> gaurdro: do a cat on /etc/default/acpi-support, laptop mode should be off in Ubuntu since 6.10
[01:28] <dcolish> gaurdro: http://samwel.tk/laptop_mode/faq
[01:30] <dcolish> gaurdro: are you using a thinkpad?
[01:30] <gaurdro> both say laptop mode is off currently but i'll be double checking the next time i boot into that kernel.
[01:30] <gaurdro> no, it's a gateway tablet
[01:31] <dcolish> ok was a long shot, try these scripts for the fan temporarily, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ACPI_fan_control_script#Variable_speed_control_scripts
[01:33] <gaurdro> thanks for all your help,  i'll mess with it some more later.
[01:34] <dcolish> gaurdro: sure, essentially, its over heating and triggering a Critical Trip Point. Thats gonna protect your box
[01:35] <gaurdro> yea, i'm wondering why it's only doing that for the new kernel though.  taking one version back it runs the fan just fine.
[01:36] <dcolish> you might want to search launchpad for a bug, and add to it or file a new one
[01:37] <dcolish> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI
[02:21] <digi__> is there a different channel for uxubuntu 8.10
[02:23] <digi__> if not I was wondering where I would put a theme to install it?
[02:44] <j1mc> to anyone intending to install ultamatix, please read this first: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/99905.html
[02:44] <j1mc> do not do it
[02:46] <Grey_Loki> What -is- ultimatix? I've just looked through the site, and it looks like some kind of frontend for apt-get?
[02:47] <Odd-rationale> it is automatix risen from it's grave... bad stuff...
[02:47] <j1mc> Grey_Loki: ultamatix is a script written to install a bunch of stuff on a new ubuntu system, but it is a nasty, nasty hack that can easily mess up your system.
[02:48] <j1mc> if it doesn't appear to have messed up your system initially, something will likely break if you ever go to upgrade.
[02:50] <Grey_Loki> I'm now reading through the LJ entry (after first having read through the official site)
[02:50] <Grey_Loki> I'm pretty much a newbie when it comes to both linux and shell scripting
[02:50] <Grey_Loki> But what's listed there scares  even me...
[02:53] <j1mc> right.  good!  :)  hehe
[02:54] <j1mc> matthew garrett (the guy who wrote that post) knows his stuff.  he used to develop for canonical/ubuntu, and now works for redhat.
[02:54] <joerlend__> dammit. I was able to install xubuntu on that old laptop, but it freezes before the login screen is displayed..
[02:55] <joerlend__> well.. The keyboard still reacts to caps-lock, etc, but nothing else happens. I'm not able to switch to another console either.
[02:55] <joerlend__> this is the first boot. Is it normal for that boot to take considerably longer than the consequent boots?
[02:55] <joerlend__> the harddisk seems to be working on something.
[02:57] <joerlend__> well, perhaps I'll just leave it by itself for a while. But the screen has been black for ten minutes.. I don't think that happened with hardy.
[02:57] <Grey_Loki> Ten minutes is a bit excessive, unless you're on quite old hardware - usually the first boot for me 'seems' to take longer; i've never timed it though
[02:58] <joerlend__> 128MB RAM and 450MHz CPU.
[02:59] <joerlend__> but I think it's strange that it reacts to caps-lock, but doesn't let me change console. I don't think I've ever seen that before.
[03:01] <joerlend__> but now, after appearing passive for five minutes, the harddisk suddenly started working as if it was its job. :)
[03:14] <joerlend__> is anything important being done at first boot, or can I attempt a reboot to check the logs? The screen is still black.
[03:14] <powertool08> I can't get the battery monitor to show up in my panel
[03:14] <dcolish> joerlend__ press alt f2 to watch the booth process
[03:15] <joerlend__> no, I don't get another console if I do that. the screen just remains black.
[03:15] <dcolish> try all the f keys then
[03:16] <dcolish> if you cant get a console, then I dont know how to help
[03:16] <joerlend__> hmm. But when I pressed the powerswitch, it started working hard, and then switched off.
[03:17] <dcolish> yeah, its probably doing a powerdown
[03:18] <Necrosan> C'mon guys, lets be real.
[03:18] <Necrosan> Is Xubuntu even cool?
[03:18] <Necrosan> I need an OS for my PS3, and I'm thinking Xubuntu.
[03:18] <Necrosan> Who can backup my unresolved fear of installing it on my PS3?
[03:18] <dcolish> Necrosan: and you expect us to help you now?
[03:19] <Necrosan> Sure.
[03:19] <dcolish> besides you've got ppc, good luck with that
[03:19] <Necrosan> Explain to me why I should use it.
[03:19] <Necrosan> I have two PPCs...
[03:19] <joerlend__> ok, I did a reboot, and while the progressbar was being displayed, I pressed alt+ctrl+f2 and saw the boot messages. there was a warning that an ibm system was detected and some module was deactivated because it could destroy my eeprom. Then the screen turned black again.
[03:19] <Necrosan> And there is a livecd build entitled powerpc+ps3
[03:19] <dcolish> Necrosan: try sales, this is support
[03:20] <aescalante> Hye guys i ran a "mv" command on a directory to move the folder to a new place. The move messed half way through because mistakenly unplugged the drive. how can i complete the move now that i have all these files in 2 locations?
[03:20] <Necrosan> dcolish: "Support" this potential Xubuntu CD.
[03:20] <Necrosan> I've got it burnt, right here in front of me.
[03:20] <Necrosan> CD media is on is K-Hypermedia.
[03:21] <aescalante> \
[03:21] <dcolish> joerlend__: I have heard of some problems with apci on thinkpads, wonder if it's related
[03:22] <joerlend__> is that something I can deactivate in the bios?
[03:22] <joerlend__> or in grub?
[03:23] <dcolish> yes, hold on while i find the wiki link
[03:23] <dcolish> joerlend__  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI
[03:24] <dcolish> its a long shot, you have to acpi=off line to grub when booting
[03:26] <dcolish> aescalante: i hope that dir was not too important. moving files across volumes will lead to data loss if you unplug the drive
[03:27] <aescalante> well i think i have most of it, by looking at the directories, is there an easy command to continue without having things overwrite?
[03:27] <dcolish> if you were moving, then what is in one will not be in the other. if you were copying thats different... either way try rsync
[03:29] <aescalante> rsync
[03:29] <aescalante> gonna try it.
[03:29] <aescalante> thanks guys
[03:32] <joerlend__> dcolish, when I edit the line in grub, isn't that saved for the next boot?
[03:32] <dcolish> yes, but you can change it back once you get a successful boot
[03:33] <powertool08> Does anyone know how to add a battery monitor to the panel?
[03:34] <joerlend__> dcolish, yes it is saved?
[03:35] <dcolish> i believe so, double check by look at the menu file in /boot/grub/menu.list after you've booted
[03:36] <joerlend__> that didn't work. Still halts compeltely when gdm starts.
[03:40] <dcolish> stop gdm from starting at boot
[03:40] <joerlend__> I run it in single user mode, and everything seems fine until I start gdm, when the system freezes.
[03:41] <dcolish> did you check you xorg logs?
[03:41] <joerlend__> no, but I deleted all the logs now, and rebooted normally to get a fresh set.
[03:42] <dcolish> cool, if you can use update-rc.d to drop gdm from autostart. it will give you more time to trouble shoot outside of single user
[03:42] <joerlend__> but then it seems I have to setup the network manually. Could you help me do that?
[03:43] <joerlend__> dcolish, I can try that. Tell me how? :)
[03:43] <dcolish> k, is it wifi? can you plug in?
[03:43] <joerlend__> I can plug in.
[03:43] <dcolish> 'sudo update-rc.d -f <name>'
=gdm
[03:46] <joerlend__> I got a usage message..
[03:46] <dcolish> what the exact syntax you typed?
[03:47] <joerlend__> the one you told me to.. Perhaps I should add "remove" to that?
[03:47] <dcolish> yea
[03:47] <dcolish> man pages are good
[03:47] <joerlend__> :=)
[03:51] <CarlFK> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop; how do I set the wm to be xfce?
[03:51] <joerlend__> if I do tar -c /var/logs logfiles.tar then all logs will be saved to that file, right?
[03:51] <joerlend__> CarlFK, in the gdm, you have an option for it in the session menu.
[03:51] <CarlFK> thanks
[03:51] <dcolish> yes
[03:52] <dcolish> joerlend__: no, use tar czf logfiles.tar.gz /var/log
[03:54] <joerlend__> thanks.
[03:55] <joerlend__> this time I logged in as a normal user, and run startx. Froze.
[03:56] <dcolish> ok, goto a different console, if you can and check out /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:59] <joerlend__> I am. :)
[04:02] <dcolish> anything good?
[04:03] <joerlend__> I didn't see anything obvious, but then most of it meant nothing to me anyway. You can have a look at the logs if you want?
[04:04] <dcolish> !pastebin | joerlend__
[04:04] <joerlend__> ok. :)
[04:04] <joerlend__> only the xorg logfile?
[04:04] <dcolish> and messages too
[04:10] <joerlend__> messages: http://rafb.net/p/qNlYCU81.html
[04:12] <joerlend__> X.org.0.log: http://rafb.net/p/VGfGo555.html
[04:14] <joerlend__> xubuntu hardy worked just great, mind you.
[04:15] <dcolish> ibex uses a whole new config method
[04:15] <joerlend__> oh, ok.
[04:16] <dcolish> lets look at your xorg.conf too
[04:18] <joerlend__> http://rafb.net/p/I8sb9P80.html
[04:18] <dcolish> yeah i've seen this before. for some drivers auto detect fails. do you have an xorg from hardy?
[04:19] <joerlend__> no.. :(
[04:19] <dcolish> or a livecd you can generate one with?
[04:19] <joerlend__> no, but I can make one. You think that should be sufficient?
[04:19] <joerlend__> but.. The system halts _completely_... Not even numlock or capslock responds.
[04:19] <dcolish> yup, you boot the live cd, back up this xorg then copy the new one in.
[04:20] <ball> tired, cold, going to bed.
[04:20] <dcolish> well it looks like your video card is not configuring correctly or taking very long so you need to manually do it
[04:20] <dcolish> the older xorg should be good enough
[04:24] <joerlend__> but should that halt the system completely?
[04:25] <dcolish> it could, we'd need more log output to be completely sure
[04:26] <joerlend__> well. Only a few more minutes until the cd is written. I really hope it'll be sufficient to replace the xorg.conf file. If that works, I hope you'll also help me replace the gdm at statup, btw. :)
[04:27] <dcolish> i can give you that command now
[04:27] <joerlend__> that'd be nice.
[04:28] <dcolish> to put it back to defaults use: sudo update-rc.d gdm defaults
[04:28] <joerlend__> that wasn't so bad. :)
[04:29] <joerlend__> you know, I really hate progressbars. I really, really hate them. Because I only look at them when I really want them to finish, and that's also the times when they move most slowly, isn't it? Always, without exception. :)
[04:30] <dcolish> progress bars move 50% slower when observed
[04:31] <dcolish> its a small program, uses your video camera to see if you're watching
[04:31] <joerlend__> I believe you.
[04:32] <joerlend__> it's the geeks version of "watched pot never boils".
[04:34] <joerlend__> anyway, I'm booting the hardy desktop cd now. Takes a while though.
[04:34] <dcolish> cool
[04:34] <joerlend__> do the live sessions use the swap partition when present, btw?
[04:35] <dcolish> only a few more steps and you should be ok
[04:35] <dcolish> um, i'm not sure really
[04:35] <joerlend__> oh, I hope you're right.
[04:37] <dcolish> if you cat /etc/fstab and see swap then the livecd uses  it
[04:38] <joerlend__> it does indeed.
[04:39] <dcolish> there ya go, but you can turn that off if you want, use swapoff
[04:39] <dcolish> although on a livecd, you'll probably want some swap
[04:39] <joerlend__> no, that's cool, I think.
[04:40] <joerlend__> specially on a pc with only 128MB RAM. :)
[04:40] <dcolish> ha yeah, you *need* swap
[04:40] <joerlend__> oh, we're getting close to the finding out...
[04:43] <joerlend__> after replacing xorg.conf, I should be able to just run startx?
[04:43] <dcolish> well restart so you're on 8.10
[04:43] <joerlend__> I did.
[04:43] <dcolish> oh cool, yea
[04:43] <dcolish> lets look at it first, make sure its ok to try
[04:43] <joerlend__> but I don't need to reboot after replacing it?
[04:44] <dcolish> no, if x is not started then its not loaded
[04:44] <dcolish> you can just restart x as well if you modify it
[04:44] <dcolish> send a paste of the new one if you can
[04:44] <joerlend__> http://rafb.net/p/zGgrbB71.html
[04:45] <dcolish> hmm well that doesnt blow me out of the water, but you say you've gotten video with that xorg right?
[04:45] <joerlend__> yes, it booted straight into a live session with x and all.
[04:46] <joerlend__> I rebooted into 8.10 now, replaced the xorg.conf and run startx, but it still halts.
[04:47] <joerlend__> well, with that xorg.conf.
[04:48] <dcolish> ok, well i was going to say there are a few things in your xorg you can fix
[04:51] <dcolish> under Section "Device"  replacing Identifier with "S3" and add Driver "savage" on a new line. Then update the Device line under your screen section
[04:52] <XiXaQ> update the Device line? What does that mean?
[04:53] <dcolish> http://rafb.net/p/sHY4Jb34.html
[04:56]  * XiXaQ will be singing songs about dcolish for his grandchildren... 
[04:56] <XiXaQ> thank you! :)
[04:57]  * XiXaQ is 28 btw, so those grandchildren are minus very much years old. :)
[04:58] <dcolish> XiXaQ: please please please file a bug report about this
[04:58] <XiXaQ> I will. Under xorg?
[04:58] <dcolish> yeah, in launchpad, just do a quick search first and make sure there are no dupes
[04:59] <XiXaQ> sure.
[04:59] <dcolish> all we really did was add the correct driver to your config
[04:59] <dcolish> but the *new* autoconfigs should be smart enough to do that
[05:01] <dcolish> ok i'm out, happy hacking
[06:03] <MrNaz`> how do you manage apps to start up on system start?
[06:17] <favro> MrNaz`: from the application menu - settings - settings manager - autostarted apps
[06:18] <MrNaz`> found it... thanks
[06:18] <MrNaz`> sorry for not seeing it... i feel like a boob
[06:18] <favro> hehe
[06:19] <favro> we all do at times...:)
[06:46] <kwak> hi i'm installing xubuntu alternate onto dell poweredge
[06:47] <kwak> i get his error "debootstrap warning" file:///cdrom/pool/main/x/xfonts-terminus/console-terminus_4.26-1_all.deb was corrupt
[06:47] <kwak> and some other files
[06:53] <zoredache_> did you run an md5sum on your iso?
[06:54] <kwak> yes.
[06:54] <zoredache_> did you run a disk verify?
[06:54] <zoredache_> hrm..
[06:54] <kwak> it's correct. i did verification as well.
[06:54] <kwak> i burn the ISO again and i got lesser debootstrap warnings.
[06:55] <kwak> now the following is corrupt. upstart
[06:55] <kwak> upstart_0.3.9_...
[07:03] <jim_p> hi guys. i just installed xfce on my ubuntu and i need help
[07:05] <jim_p> i want to make a keyboard shortcut to change language layout from english to greek? what is the command that does so?
[07:06] <zoredache_> kwak: perhaps your drive is failing... :|
[07:18] <zerothis> xubuntu rocks!
[07:26] <kwak> yeah i suspected that so I'm using a USB CD DRIVE now . now i'm in "building ltsp chroot" but it fails.
[07:30] <Ruge> yo
[07:33] <favro> lo
[07:33] <Ruge> pondering getting xubuntu for a low level machine, wondering if the specs are too poor lol
[07:34] <favro> what are the specs?
[07:35] <Ruge> PIII 1Ghz (666MHz), 256MB ram, 32mb ATi Rage MObility gfx, 20GB Hdd (partitioned into 2x10GB, one for WinXP)
[07:35] <favro> that should be fine - I'd suggest the alternate cd tho
[07:35] <favro> !alternate
[07:35] <Ruge> oh i see
[07:36] <Ruge> rather new to this,ill do some readin
[07:36] <favro> the live cd will run but it'll be slow
[07:36] <favro> !xubuntu
[07:37] <Ruge> right now my XP setup with Office 2003, and other software runs okay, but yeah, was looking for something a bit quicker
[07:37] <favro> xubuntu will be a pleasant suprise :)
[07:38] <Ruge> haha yeah, my friend uses it, so i figured id give it a try
[07:38] <Ruge> this machine is just for work, nothing major really
[07:39] <favro> one thing I like is the install takes about 20 min
[07:40] <Ruge> thats pretty neat
[07:40] <Ruge> and i can dualboot this thing?
[07:40] <favro> yep - there's even a guide
[07:40] <favro> !dualboot
[07:40] <Ruge> sweet
[07:41] <Ruge> well, im figuring it has to be better than my current setup, so should be all good, cheers
[07:41] <favro> good luck :)
[07:44] <Ruge> btw, have the community developed a linux alternative
[07:44] <Ruge> to Dreamweaver?
[07:44] <favro> I don't know dreamweaver - what does it do?
[07:45] <Ruge> its part of the Macromedia package, for web development
[07:45] <favro> ahh k one min and I'll check
[07:46] <Ruge> cheers mate
[07:47] <zerothis> Ruge: I'm actually a very simular machine right now, 1gz, 256mb, 30GB HD. xubuntu, this dinoaur, and I are quite happy together
[07:48] <Ruge> excellent
[07:48] <Ruge> also, i like the clean look for the xubuntu interface
[07:48] <zerothis> I took my drive out and installed it from a live CD using a usb case and another computer because I have no CD
[07:48] <Ruge> i guess my interests are not only for a speed change, but a visual change, and not having to depend on purchased software and going totally open source
[07:48] <Ruge> ahh i see
[07:49] <zerothis> so I can't say this machine would have installed ok, but its running great now that its done
[07:49] <Ruge> sounds good, im on a laptop atm, and was probably going to install it on the partition i made already
[07:50] <hat0> it's the visuals that bring me back to xubuntu, from regular ubuntu.  so clean, so crisp
[07:50] <Ruge> yeah?
[07:50] <Ruge> but i thought xubuntu was designed for lower-spec machines?
[07:51] <hat0> the xfce environment is much lighter than a full gnome or kde environment..  it's also got a lot more theming possibilities on the stock install.
[07:51] <Ruge> i see..
[07:52] <zerothis> xubuntu, simple to look at, simple to tweak. I'm looking rather macish at the moment, yestery It looked like XP so my boss wouldn't fire me
[07:53] <favro> Ruge: drupal seems to be close to dreamweaver perhaps
[07:53] <Ruge> haha i see
[07:53] <Ruge> ohh yeah?
[07:53] <Ruge> ill have a look
[07:54] <favro> !info drupal
[07:54] <zerothis> big complicated environment=big complicated themes
[07:54] <favro> I use a text editor myself
[07:54] <Ruge> one of my big turnoffs with my current setup is how slow things get when i run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, MSN, Opera/Firefox, iTunes all at once
[07:54] <Ruge> so switching to this, Drupal, and GIMP should b nice
[07:54] <favro> xp has a recommendation of 512 mb ram so...
[07:55] <Ruge> haha i had no choice, my laptop came preinstalled in 2001 with........... Windows ME
[07:55] <zerothis> GIMP _can_ bog things down, if you use it right
[07:55] <favro> ugghh
[07:56] <Ruge> yeah this machine works great, id hate to junk it, so hopefully Xubuntu can revive it =)
[07:56] <hat0> yeah let's be honest, the more ram, the better.  xfce's nice, but most modern computer use is pretty ram-heavy.
[07:57]  * zerothis made a layer exult map of black gate and serpent isle with all objects, secrets, and side quest indicators
[07:57] <zerothis> 9 layer rather
[07:58] <zerothis> don't know about Oprea, but Firefox 3 is muderous on memory and CPU. I'm usinf Firefox 2 and Links2
[07:58] <MaxFrames> hello. I'm using xubuntu 8.10. I've chosen the italian language but the vast majority of menus and commands are still in english. can you give support?
[07:59] <MaxFrames> it's like italian is supported at 20%/30%, not more
[08:00] <favro> MaxFrames: in terminal what does   locale   return?
[08:00] <MaxFrames> all fields say "it_IT.UTF-8" except for "LC_ALL" which is blank
[08:01] <favro> hmmm
[08:03] <MaxFrames> this is the first time I try to switch to italian since xubuntu 6.06
[08:03] <favro> !info language-support-it
[08:03] <favro> MaxFrames: is that package installed?
[08:04] <MaxFrames> to check if it's installed, do I just type "sudo apt-get install language-support-it" ?
[08:04] <favro> apt-cache policy language-support-it will tell
[08:05] <zerothis> i'd use synaptic to search names for "-it" and manually install the packages I want. but I'm no expert (e io non parlano Italiano)
[08:05] <favro> if not then   sudo apt-get install language-support-it
[08:06] <MaxFrames> it said "installed:0" so I issued the install command
[08:06] <favro> good move :)
[08:06] <MaxFrames> logging out and back in...
[08:06] <favro> luck
[08:07] <MaxFrames> nothing has changed. many labels are still in english.
[08:08] <favro> hmmm
[08:08] <MaxFrames> at this point I assume that the only 100% supported language in ubuntu is english
[08:08] <MaxFrames> or at least, italian is not supported
[08:09] <MaxFrames> strange... website says "Ubuntu includes the very best translations and accessibility infrastructure that the free software community has to offer"
[08:10] <MaxFrames> unless it's a precise choice, to not translate some parts of the OS for consistency
[08:10] <MaxFrames> but then again, why is the "fav apps" applet translated, and the "autostarted apps" is not?
[08:11] <favro> found these too - language-pack-it-base language-pack-it manpages-it
[08:11] <MaxFrames> same for "removable drives and media"... no translation; and the xfce start menu entries all still in english
[08:11] <zerothis> installing it does not switch to it maybe? where is the language settings in xfce? I can only find the keyboard layout
[08:11] <MaxFrames> at the logon window I chose italian and chose to make it the default language for this and all future sessions
[08:12] <zerothis> xubuntu is not ubuntu, precisely. perhaps they don't include xubuntu or kubuntu in the 100% translated statment
[08:12] <favro> I only use english so this is new to me but it seems it needs some apps added - during the install did you select italian?
[08:13] <zerothis> switch at login, good to know
[08:13] <MaxFrames> curious though.. some labels have been translated very precisely... "mancino/destrorso" is a very refined translation for "left handed/right handed"
[08:13] <MaxFrames> it's like they left the work halfway
[08:13] <MaxFrames> maybe I can help... let's review the contribution policies
[08:14] <favro> "it's like they left the work halfway" - or you are missing a couple of apps...
[08:14] <MaxFrames> like?
[08:14] <favro> found these too - language-pack-it-base language-pack-it manpages-it
[08:15] <favro> you could try - sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales
[08:16] <zerothis> again, i'm no expert, and I have brain damage from using Windows for too long, but would a reboot help change the language?
[08:17] <MaxFrames> :D I'm another brain damaged person :D .. anyway I think logging off is enough
[08:18] <MaxFrames> manpages-it was missing, the other packages were present
[08:18] <MaxFrames> (why wasn't all this stuff installed when I chose Italian in the lanuage control panel?)
[08:18] <favro> you could try - sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales
[08:19] <favro> during the install did you select italian?
[08:19] <MaxFrames> no, I chose english
[08:19] <MaxFrames> way back then (7.04)
[08:19] <favro> that "might" be the diff
[08:19] <favro> try the dpkg-reconfigure bit
[08:20] <MaxFrames> I am now
[08:20] <favro> :)
[08:20] <MaxFrames> it's doing a lot of work "generating locales"
[08:20] <favro> that sounds promising...
[08:21] <zerothis> yes, Linux is nicer than windows for insisting on reboots. on the rare occasion it asks for a reboot, its just asking because that's the easy way, not necessarily required for a knowledgeable users. I once installed a videocard without rebooting, just for fun. Turn out rebooting is a lot easier
[08:21] <MaxFrames> it says "done" for all locales except it_IT and it_CH which say "up to date"
[08:22] <MaxFrames> "generation complete". logging off and back on...
[08:22] <favro> luck
[08:22] <MaxFrames> :D
[08:22] <R1cochet> when i switch user and leave it at login screen after a couple mins im logged back in
[08:22] <R1cochet> can i fix this?
[08:23] <MaxFrames> nothing changed
[08:23] <favro> R1cochet:  might be better to logout
[08:25] <favro> MaxFrames: it's a guess but a reboot now with the extra packages "might" do the trick
[08:25] <MaxFrames> ok, rebooting
[08:25] <favro> luck
[08:26] <MaxFrames> anyway, many labels are in italian and many aren't, so it's not like the locale change did not catch at all; this makes me think that, simply, many labels haven't been translated
[08:26] <MaxFrames> my slight disappointment is just aimed at the fact that I thought that one of the things that make *ubuntu different is broad support to languages
[08:27] <MaxFrames> that said, I can live with some labels being in english :)
[08:27] <R1cochet> but if i log out then the apps i have running will close
[08:27] <hat0> maxframes, ubuntu may have more translations than xubuntu
[08:27] <MaxFrames> right
[08:28] <MaxFrames> same thing after reboot
[08:28] <favro> ubuntu and xubuntu use the same repos so what ubuntu has xubuntu has
[08:28] <MaxFrames> never mind... I'll keep in mind that italian is not 100% supported and go on :)
[08:28] <hat0> favro, they don't use the same desktop environments
[08:29] <favro> R1cochet: I never use switch user sorry
[08:29] <MaxFrames> perhaps it's better to leave everything in english
[08:29] <favro> hat0: you're right there - but there isn't a xubuntu language pack and ubuntu language pack
[08:30] <zerothis> but are all the standard packages for xubuntu supported in ubunutu?
[08:30] <hat0> he's probably seeing messages in xfce itself that aren't translated
[08:30] <R1cochet> Thank ¥ou favro
[08:31] <R1cochet> also when the display goes to sleep it doesnt truely go to sleep, its still powered on but a blank screen
[08:31] <favro> MaxFrames: maybe someone in #ubuntu-it has done this already and could give a clue
[08:33] <MaxFrames> ok, let's check
[08:36] <MaxFrames> oOo has been translated 100% though
[08:36] <MaxFrames> good
[08:36] <MaxFrames> bbl
[08:39] <zerothis> R1cochet: not all screens know what a sleep request is (they sleep all on their own) or have no sleep function. Does it sleep when told to by other computers?
[08:42] <R1cochet> yea
[08:43] <R1cochet> well in winblows in actually turns off
[08:43] <R1cochet> but i think i mighta found the fix
[08:43] <R1cochet> ße Right ßack
[08:43] <R1cochet> Thank ¥ou for all your help
[08:55] <Ruge> likewise, thanks for your help all
[08:55] <Ruge> im sure ill see you guys on here more regularly soon
[08:55] <Ruge> cheers
[09:39] <iMax> hmm, how do I set a static IP? If I use the network manager applet, it overrides the setting with DHCP after a restart
[09:45] <favro> iMax: you can do it manually by editing the file /etc/network/interfaces
[09:46] <iMax> favro: ahh, thanks. there is even a man page for it, I see
[09:47] <favro> np
[10:29] <batcoder-7> did a new xubuntu come out ?
[10:30] <favro> yep a coupl of dats ago
[10:30] <favro> yep a couple of days ago even
[10:30] <favro> !ibex
[10:33] <XiXaQ> heh, all other releases of ubuntu has been known by its first name. Why do people suddenly call this one by its last name?
[10:33] <favro> shorter
[10:34] <favro> !gibbon
[10:34] <XiXaQ> drake is shorter than dapper. Eft is shorter than edgy. Fawn is shorter than Feisty. Still people used the first name. :)
[10:34] <preston> where can i find the root terminal in xubuntu i know how to acsess it in ubuntu but im not aware of its location in xubuntu
[10:35] <XiXaQ> open a normal terminal and issue sudo bash?
[10:35] <preston> sudo bash as in 2 words or?
[10:35] <XiXaQ> yes.
[10:36] <XiXaQ> I like that command. I think it sounds cool.
[10:36] <preston> wow that was easy
[10:36] <preston> the only thing i use root for is changing xorg thru my nvidia settings panel
[10:37] <preston> but thanks for the help though
[10:37] <XiXaQ> why don't you prefix the commands with sudo instead?
[10:37] <preston> for some reasin it wont stick with nvidia setting and when i reboot it goes back to default
[10:38] <batcoder-7> how do i upgrade ?
[10:38] <XiXaQ> sudo commands are automatically logged, and if you leave your computer, other people can't automatically issue commands as root.
[10:38] <preston> unless i open the nvidia setting as roo
[10:38] <batcoder-7> i am running 8.04 i guess
[10:38] <XiXaQ> preston, yes, but if you prefix the command with sudo, it is run as root.
[10:38] <favro> sudo does last for 5 min - you don't need the password
[10:38] <XiXaQ> if you run sudo gcalctool for instance, then you run your calculator as root..
[10:38] <preston> i tried it and when i reboot it goes back to default
[10:39] <XiXaQ> favro, that's true, but it expires. A root shell will never expire.
[10:39] <favro> !upgrade | batcoder-7
[10:39] <XiXaQ> preston, it's the exact same thing.
[10:39] <preston> if i opened the root terminal in ubuntu and set my nvidia settings then they would stay
[10:40] <favro> try in a terminal   sudo xfce4-terminal
[10:40] <XiXaQ> and if you opened a normal terminal and run sudo nvidia-blablabla, then that would do the exact same thing.
[10:40] <XiXaQ> it would be completely synonymous.
[10:40] <favro> yes it would
[10:41] <preston> be back in a bit
[10:41] <XiXaQ> by the way, if you run graphicals applications from the terminal and it requires root access, you should probably use gksu instead of sudo.
[10:42] <XiXaQ> heh, actually, I don't know why and if it matters at all. :>
[10:45] <favro> !gksu
[10:46] <XiXaQ> nice! :)
[10:46] <XiXaQ> and gksudo is a nickname for gksu, right?
[10:52] <favro> I think it was gksudo until feisty or something like that but yeh
[12:09] <zchef2k> hey all
[12:09] <zchef2k> any 64bit intrpid users here?
[12:11] <xtremox> where downloads themes or skins for xubuntu?
[12:15] <ablomen> xtremox, gnome-look.org xfce-look.org art.gnome.org etc
[12:15] <PerSeL> hello all
[12:15] <xtremox> thanks you
[12:15] <PerSeL> i'm new to ubuntu and need some help if there is anyone
[12:16] <zchef2k> 64bit xubuntu ibex seems slow as hell, any known poor performance issues?
[12:25] <spindizzy1976> hello! am i in the right place to ask questions about xubuntu?
[12:25] <spindizzy1976> and is anyone here?
[12:25] <PerSeL> well i'm waiting too
[12:26] <spindizzy1976> what's your problem with xubuntu, persel?
[12:27] <PerSeL> well it's scim
[12:27] <PerSeL> i read the help
[12:27] <PerSeL> and installed the lang i wanted to
[12:27] <PerSeL> but couldn't find how do i set short cuts for k/b
[12:28] <PerSeL> so i can change the lang i type in
[12:28] <spindizzy1976> can you see the keyboard icon in the gtk taskbar?
[12:28] <ushimitsudoki> Hello. Seems after I close an OpenGL fullscreen game, windows are no longer visible. I can not see the panel nor any windows I launch. However they are visible from the middle-click menu or alt-tab, but they do not appear. This did not happen in 8.04. any places to start looking?
[12:28] <PerSeL> no
[12:29] <spindizzy1976> have you installed the scim-bridge package?
[12:29] <spindizzy1976> try right clicking on the gtk task bar and choose add items
[12:29] <PerSeL> y as was told in the help
[12:29] <spindizzy1976> you should see an option to add scim
[12:29] <spindizzy1976> also, try running the command scim in a console window to see what happens
[12:29] <PerSeL> well scim is there if i can add lang no?
[12:30] <spindizzy1976> scim has to be started as a daemon, so even if you have it installed, it might not be running
[12:30] <spindizzy1976> a difference between ubuntu and xubuntu is that xubuntu does not automatically run scim
[12:30] <spindizzy1976> at least in 8.04
[12:30] <PerSeL> well and where can i find it? in applications?
[12:31] <PerSeL> ahhh i'm using ubuntu i guess
[12:31] <PerSeL> with gnome
[12:31] <spindizzy1976> try opening a command shell and typing scim -d
[12:31] <PerSeL> i recently switched from vista/xp to linux (ubuntu)
[12:31] <spindizzy1976> ok
[12:31] <spindizzy1976> i am not an expert but i hope i can help
[12:32] <PerSeL> y i guess my problem isn't big guess so it wasn't hard in windows i just need to get regular to ubuntu
[12:32] <PerSeL> so where i should click?
[12:32] <spindizzy1976> i think regular ubuntu is easier for first time users
[12:33] <spindizzy1976> if you go to the XFCE menu, click accessories and then terminal
[12:33] <PerSeL> well it looks ok and very stable even inet works faster (at least for me)
[12:33] <spindizzy1976> yep, any distribution of linux is better than windows in my opinion! :)
[12:33] <PerSeL> XFCE?
[12:34] <spindizzy1976> the XFCE menu might be labelled "start" or "Xubuntu" on your computer
[12:34] <spindizzy1976> sorry, i'll try not to use jargon
[12:34] <PerSeL> hmmm i have applications/places/system
[12:34] <PerSeL> in the up menu
[12:35] <spindizzy1976> that sounds roughly right... you're looking for something labelled "terminal"
[12:35] <PerSeL> y i found
[12:35] <spindizzy1976> great
[12:36] <spindizzy1976> can you see a command window which you can type in?
[12:36] <PerSeL> y
[12:36] <spindizzy1976> try typing "scim -d"
[12:36] <PerSeL> done
[12:36] <PerSeL> copy/paste?
[12:36] <spindizzy1976> now have any new icons appeared on your menu bar?
[12:36] <PerSeL> y
[12:37] <PerSeL> the k/b one
[12:37] <spindizzy1976> fantastic!
[12:37] <spindizzy1976> if you click on the keyboard you should be able to choose languages
[12:38] <PerSeL> none there byt now i'm in setup
[12:38] <PerSeL> gonna look what is there thank you
[12:38] <spindizzy1976> glad to help
[12:39] <spindizzy1976> if you want scim to start automatically every time, you probably need to enter "echo scim -d >> ~/.xinitrc"
[12:39] <PerSeL> ohhh thanks
[12:39] <spindizzy1976> i think that will work but i'm not sure
[12:40] <spindizzy1976> i'm studying linux but i'm still only a beginner!
[12:40] <spindizzy1976> ok, i'm off now. see you
[12:40] <PerSeL> cya thanks again
[13:36] <MagnonNeedsHelp> hello, i would love a bit of help regarding changing my keyboard settings
[13:39] <favro> MagnonNeedsHelp: what do you want to do?
[13:40] <MagnonNeedsHelp> currently single and double quotes do not work on my keyboard. when i double type the character it displays but it seems to be a different character ¨ and ´, rather than the normal " and ' (i copied them from a text file)
[13:41] <MagnonNeedsHelp> same problem with ~, also have to double type it to get it to appear
[13:42] <MagnonNeedsHelp> single quote [once] + a = á
[13:42] <MagnonNeedsHelp> double quote [once] + a = ä
[13:42] <vidd> MagnonNeedsHelp, when you set up your system, did you manually select your keyboard layout, or did you use the "auto-detect" feature?
[13:42] <MagnonNeedsHelp> i think i manually set it
[13:43] <MagnonNeedsHelp> how can i run that setup again?
[13:44] <vidd> applications->Settings->Settings Manager
[13:44] <vidd> select "keyboard"
[13:44] <vidd> go to the "layout" tab
[13:44] <vidd> uncheck the "Use X configuration"
[13:45] <vidd> and manually select the appropriate keyboard layout
[13:45] <MagnonNeedsHelp> nice thanks. any idea what a laptop keyboard (ie. no number pad) might be?
[13:46] <vidd> and dont be intimidated by the astronomically huge list of keyboard layouts
[13:46] <vidd> just find your make and model number
[13:47] <MagnonNeedsHelp> itś sortof a whitebox type laptop, itś a TPG
[13:48] <MagnonNeedsHelp> i might just try the Generic 101 (NOT the int version)
[13:48] <MagnonNeedsHelp> i had generic 105 (int) and i think the international is the problem...
[13:48] <MagnonNeedsHelp> thanks iĺl play around with that
[13:48] <MagnonNeedsHelp> cya
[13:48] <vidd> looks like almost every single keyboard variant is listed
[13:48] <vidd> who made your computer?
[13:48] <vidd> IBM, Toshiba, compaq, etc?
[13:49] <MagnonNeedsHelp> TPG
[13:49] <vidd> and what does TPG stand for?
[13:49] <MagnonNeedsHelp> Total Peripahrals Group i think... they are an ISP here in Australia and used to also sell PCs
[13:49] <MagnonNeedsHelp> (and laptops)
[13:49] <vidd> ah....
[13:50] <vidd> and what does the data plate on the bottom of the case say it is?
[13:50] <favro> that "might" be a rebranded lappy
[13:50] <MagnonNeedsHelp> i´ve run sevaral live distroś on this laptop without this issue, so i think itś a pretty generic keyboard
[13:51] <vidd> well....as you can see from the long list, just about eveything is covered
[13:51] <MagnonNeedsHelp> after setting it to a different setting i guess it will take effect after i restart X? and doing a PC restart does that
[13:52] <vidd> actually....it should take affect as soon as you close that window
[13:52] <MagnonNeedsHelp> ok in that case iĺl try some other keyboards
[13:52] <vidd> if not, [ctrl]+[alt]+[Bckspc] will restart x without a reboot
[14:00] <MagnonNeedsHelp> thanks so much, it was so frustrating... i needed to set the (AltGr dead keys) and now it's great "woohoo!"
[14:00] <MagnonNeedsHelp> cya
[14:29] <ushimitsudoki> on upgrade my mouse is now emulating a middle click when i hold down both buttons, although Emulate3Buttons is "no" in xorg.conf. Is there some other place I should be checking to stop this?
[14:33] <vidd> ushimitsudoki, grab your old xorg.conf file and restore it
[14:33] <vidd> it should be xorg.conf.[date of update]
[14:34] <ushimitsudoki> vidd: i did :) This is the old one
[14:34] <vidd> and you still have the issue?
[14:36] <ushimitsudoki> vidd: yes. apparently it is a known bug/change new to 8.10: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/272334
[14:36] <ushimitsudoki> this was just pointed out to be over in #ubuntu
[14:36] <ushimitsudoki> so i haven't grokked it yet
[14:37] <vidd> ic (well...not really....but OK)
[14:51] <howtoraid> hi, how can i install xubuntu with /home on raid? till yet no success ;(
[14:57] <favro> !raid | howtoraid this might help
[14:58] <howtoraid> Thank zou
[15:21] <FauLi> Hi guys, does anyone have a proposition for a tutorial about linux to read for me (windowsquitter)? ty ;)
[15:22] <vidd> FauLi, what is it you actually need?
[15:22] <FauLi> i need a red line to follow
[15:22] <FauLi> at the moment im a bit lost in linux ^^
[15:23] <vidd> FauLi, what are you trying to do that you are "lost"?
[15:24] <vidd> open a program? use an program? surf the web? set up email? install a program?
[15:24] <FauLi> well, i am actually using the gui without any problems, but when it comes to the actual "system" of linux (data system, way of working) and the shell, i have actually like no clue
[15:25] <vidd> ok....so you want to change something?
[15:25] <FauLi> yeah, something like modifying my desktop and so on
[15:26] <vidd> i find its best to open google and just type what i want to do .....
[15:26] <vidd> for example....if i want to change the background image....
[15:26] <vidd> i google "change background image xubuntu"
[15:27] <vidd> and usually the first 2-3 pages will have a good tutorial on how to do exactly that
[15:27] <FauLi> i got your idea, thanks
[15:28] <FauLi> actually i'm impressed about the community in ubuntu ^^
[15:28] <vidd> and if google doesnt help you....let us know here
[15:28] <FauLi> whenever i need help, someone here is able to help me :) i love this
[15:28] <vidd> somebody would gladly help with just about anything you want to do
[15:29] <FauLi> great ;) have you an idea how much i could contribute to ubuntu with some c++-knowledge?
[15:31] <vidd> there are all kinds of ways to help
[15:31] <vidd> join the -devel channels for the dist you want to contribute in....
[15:32] <vidd> for example #xubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-devel
[15:32] <jannott> 127 new updates. :O My install cd is getting old :(
[15:32] <FauLi> :D
[15:32] <vidd> jannott, hehe...which version?
[15:33] <jannott> 8.04
[15:33] <vidd> heh...and its only been 6 months....
[15:34] <vidd> that install disk is good for another 2.5 (or 4.5 on server) years!
[15:35] <jannott> :)
[15:36] <Ad0> is shutdown -h now clean enough?
[15:36] <Ad0> when in gnome
[15:36] <vidd> clean enough?
[15:36] <vidd> idk what you mean
[15:37] <Ad0> hehe
[15:37] <Ad0> you know clean exit
[15:37] <vidd> what is "Manage system with Landscape"?
[15:37] <vidd> Ad0, i was never aware there was any issue with -h
[15:37] <vidd> always worked for me
[15:38] <Ad0> yeah I am just wondering
[15:38] <Ad0> I mean you can go in gnome to shutdown menu
[15:38] <Ad0> and "power off" etc
[15:38] <Ad0> and then you can see ubuntu unload
[15:38] <Ad0> is this the same as shutdown -h now ?
[15:39] <Ad0> it's probably OK
[15:39] <vidd> Ad0, when you click the "shutdown" button, your system runs the shell command "shutdown -h 0" as a priveleged user
[15:39] <Ad0> ok thanks
[15:40] <Ad0> because I am working on irexec
[15:40] <Ad0> irexec need to run as root
[15:40] <Ad0> so I wanted the proper way to shut down
[15:51] <jittopjose> hello friends
[15:51] <jannott> Xubuntu doesn't come with samba?
[15:52] <jittopjose> i have installed xubuntu-desktop in ubuntu installation... now i cant see the windows partition in thunar... what should i do?
[15:52] <charlie-tca> It doesn´t come with samba preinstalled?
[15:52] <charlie-tca> I think you have to install it, Jabone
[15:52] <charlie-tca> jannott: I think you have to install it.
[15:52] <jannott> :D jabone :D
[15:53] <jittopjose> any idea about windows partitions?
[15:53] <charlie-tca> Sorry, jannott. Hit the keys too fast
[15:53] <jittopjose> there was no problem with ubuntu installation...
[15:53] <jittopjose> but it doesnt work with xubuntu
[15:54] <jittopjose> any idea?
[15:54] <charlie-tca> jittopjose: Try Go -> Open location
[15:54] <jittopjose> yes... then?
[15:54] <charlie-tca> !samba
[15:55] <jittopjose> its point to home by default
[15:55] <charlie-tca> Put in the windows partition information
[15:55] <jittopjose> that mean?
[15:55] <charlie-tca> You can delete the information that is there and add the mount point for windows partition
[15:56] <charlie-tca> I don´t run windows or samba, myself, so you have total of my knowledge now.
[15:58] <jittopjose> u mean  /dev/sda1  ?
[15:58] <owen9914> Does xubuntu have wear leveling technology?
[16:00] <charlie-tca> jittopjose: I don´t know where it is.
[16:01] <jittopjose> u meant the path like that?
[16:01] <charlie-tca> should be like /media/windows
[16:01] <charlie-tca> I think...
[16:01] <jittopjose> because ... windows partitions are not mounted by default.. it mounts when click on it..
[16:02] <jittopjose> so i dont know the mount point
[16:02] <charlie-tca> What do you click on?
[16:02] <jittopjose> the icon in nautilun indicating windows partitions
[16:02] <jittopjose> but in thunar, i couldnt find such an icon
[16:04] <charlie-tca> Maybe someone else can jump in here. I don´t have an answer.
[16:05] <vidd> jittopjose, if you set up your windows partition during your install, your system should automount it
[16:05] <jannott> You need to mount windows partition manually what the big deal?
[16:05] <vidd> in the file system, look for /windows
[16:06]  * vidd did not need to do so
[16:06] <vidd> the windows partition was automounted
[16:07] <jittopjose> its not automounted... it shows some icons in computer folder in ubuntu... it is mounted when i double click on it....
[16:08] <vidd> jittopjose, is the system installed? or are you running the live cd?
[16:08] <jannott> Add a line to fstab then. So it will be mounted on system startup.
[16:09] <jittopjose> oh... if its auto mounted, then we can access it throught  Go -> open location...  right?
[16:10] <jannott> yes
[16:10] <jannott> Uh. My update failed. :S
[16:10] <knome> how?
[16:10] <jittopjose> ok thank u...
[16:11] <jannott> Some kernel dependency problems. I'm off to restart
[16:12] <jittopjose> one more question.... is it possible to make nautilus as my default file manager in xubuntu?
[16:12] <vidd> jittopjose, yes....
[16:12] <jittopjose> how can i do that?
[16:12] <jittopjose> i am really used to nautilus
[16:12] <vidd> is it already installed?
[16:12] <jittopjose> i know its somewhat heavy
[16:13] <jittopjose> yes its installed....
[16:13] <vidd> applications->settings->settings manager->default programs
[16:14] <vidd> sorry..."prefered applications
[16:14] <vidd> not default programs
[16:14] <jittopjose> ok.. then?
[16:14] <vidd> select nautilis instead of thunar
[16:15] <vidd> hrm...its not there anymore
[16:15] <vidd> =\
[16:15] <jittopjose> its not there
[16:15] <vidd> you could just uninstall thunar =]
[16:15] <jittopjose> then?
[16:16] <vidd> if you uninstall thunar, then natilus will auto-default to your file browser
[16:16] <jittopjose> let me check..
[16:18] <jittopjose> no friend... i cant uninstall thunar alone... it uninstalls even xubuntu-desktop..
[16:18] <jittopjose> any other way?
[16:18] <dcolish> you can install nautilus on top of it, i think
[16:19] <vidd> xubuntu-desktop is a "meta-package" it doesnt do anything but depend on the default applications....its safe to remove
[16:19] <vidd> dcolish, he already has nautilus installed....he wants to make it the default file browser
[16:20] <jittopjose> yea.. i installed xubuntu-desktop in my existing ubuntu installation... so nautilus is there
[16:22] <vidd> jittopjose, now that everything is installed, you can remove xubuntu-desktop
[16:22] <dcolish> vidd:its all controlled by a symlink, so it can probably be updated to point to the binary he wants
[16:22] <vidd> yeah...but the question is....where
[16:23] <dcolish> try out locate natilus?
[16:23] <jittopjose> yes... i typed nautilus in terminal... then it opens....
[16:23] <vidd> no...what he wants is...when he clicks on the "home" folder on his desktop...natilus loads, not thunar
[16:23] <knome> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=720449
[16:24] <knome> ^
[16:24] <knome> see that
[16:24] <knome> it's a bit hacky, but works
[16:24] <knome> i doubt there would be a better way
[16:25] <vidd> knome, thats exactly what i was googling for =]
[16:25] <knome> np. "default nautilus xubuntu"
[16:25] <knome> --> second link
[16:25] <knome> ;)
[16:25] <TheSheep> knome: "np."?
[16:26] <knome> "no problem."
[16:26] <TheSheep> ah, in Polish that means "etc."
[16:26] <TheSheep> :P
[16:26] <vidd> knome, i need to get a tut on "improved google searching"
[16:26] <knome> TheSheep, k
[16:26] <vidd> =]
[16:26] <TheSheep> or was it e.g.
[16:26] <knome> e.g. is for example
[16:26] <jittopjose> that link is much complecated i thing
[16:27] <jittopjose> i posted this question in ubuntu forums... but none answered
[16:29] <knome> jittopjose, well there is the answer. it has already been answered on march, so i think many people thought you could search some more and you'd find the answer anyway
[16:29] <jittopjose> but shall i know what is the currect answer?
[16:29] <knome> that is the current answer.
[16:30] <knome> and correct.
[16:33] <jittopjose> let me check
[16:33] <jannott> Is there a way to install 10 .deb packages at once automatically?
[16:34] <dcolish> knome:  yeah , that's essentially what I was thinking. Didn't know about he myfm link
[16:34] <vidd> jannott, have you tried sudo dpkg -i [deb1] [deb2] [deb3] ?
[16:34] <jannott> no
[16:34] <vidd> let me know how it goes =]
[16:35] <dcolish> jannott: fyi, if those debs depend on each other, install order is important
[16:35] <jannott> They do depend on each other
[16:36] <vidd> jannott, are any of them in apt?
[16:38] <jannott> i dont think so
[16:39] <vidd> what are you trying to install?
[16:39] <jannott> Code::Blocks ide
[16:39] <vidd> huh?
[16:40] <jannott> http://www.codeblocks.org
[16:40] <vidd> well....if i knew anything about it...im sure it would have made sense =]
[16:41] <vidd> ah...ic
[16:41] <dcolish> jannott: did you try Dr. Google. http://wiki.codeblocks.org/index.php?title=Installing_Code::Blocks_nightly_build_on_Ubuntu
[16:41] <jannott> Oh. :O Thanks
[16:41] <dcolish> not sure if you would want to install it although
[16:42] <jannott> why?
[16:42] <dcolish> well those instructions are for nightly builds, possibly unstable
[16:43] <vidd> jannott, if you follow the instructions there, yuo will want to replace "gedit" with "mousepad"
[16:46] <dcolish> personally, i'd go with the tar'd deb available on the downloads page
[16:46] <dcolish> i just tried it and it works find with a tar xzf codeblocks*.tar.gz && sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[16:47] <vidd> jannott, codeblocks is in the repos
[16:47] <vidd> sudo apt-get install codeblocks
[16:47] <jannott> it is? under what name?
[16:47] <dcolish> ha, even better
[16:47] <vidd> sudo apt-get install codeblocks
[16:48] <vidd> it is version 8.2
[16:48] <jannott> E: Couldn't find package codeblocks
[16:48] <jannott>  :)
[16:49] <vidd> you need to enable universe and be on JJ
[16:49] <vidd> woops....
[16:49] <vidd> II
[16:49] <vidd> (INTREPID)
[16:49] <vidd> damn caps lock!
[16:50] <vidd> dunno if its in hardy
[16:50] <jannott> Victory dance! It's working! :P
[16:50] <vidd> =]
[16:51]  * vidd always enables all repo's
[16:51] <vidd> never know what you find by searching within synaptic
[16:51] <vidd> =]
[16:52] <jannott> I thought i had all  enabled except backports and src's
[17:09] <jannott> So what i need todo to use smb://windowscomputerhere
[17:09] <jannott> In kubuntu it works out of the box
[17:10] <zoredache_> xubuntu doesn't have a built-in smb browser...  you probably want to look at fusesmb
[17:10] <zoredache_> !fusesmb | jannott
[17:16] <jannott> zoredache_, Works! Thanks!
[17:16] <ggreer> is it possible to use nautilus with xfce?
[17:17] <vidd> ggreer, yes
[17:17] <vidd> ggreer, are you looking to replace thunar with nautilus?
[17:17] <ggreer> that seems like the easiest way then
[17:17] <ggreer> vidd: I just want to browse samba shares like in regular ubuntu
[17:17] <ggreer> so far that and some trackpad issues have been my only complaints from switching to xubuntu
[17:18] <vidd> ggreer, then install fusesmb like regular ubuntu does
[17:18] <Ad0> can I run as root in session startup apps?
[17:18] <jannott> How can i copy a file in command line? :D Whats the command?
[17:19] <Ad0> cp
[17:19] <ggreer> cp /path/to/file /destination/directory/
[17:19] <ggreer> you can use relative paths, etc
[17:20] <jannott> Works! ;D
[17:21] <vidd> jannott, well...of course it works
[17:21] <ggreer> jannott: welcome to the command line :) maybe you should read a unix newbie guide of some sort
[17:22] <ggreer> now if only I knew of a good one besides "bash your head against a keyboard for a few years"
[17:22] <charlie-tca> What about Rutebook
[17:22] <vidd> jannott, thats like uncorking a bottle and cheering that the liquid comes out when you tip it!
[17:22] <vidd> =]
[17:23] <ggreer> vidd: well maybe the glass you're pouring into is owned by root so the liquid will freeze in mid-air and go back into the bottle :P
[17:23] <jannott> I usually screw up when deleting/moving/copyng files in terminal. Ex: Last time in windows i deleted whole "application data" folder :P
[17:24] <vidd> jannott, linux will complain if you try something like that
[17:24] <jannott> i hope :D
[17:24] <dcolish> vidd: not always, sudo rm can be dangerous
[17:24] <vidd> in linux, you would have to tell it to delete a folder and all its contents with the "recursively" switch (-R)
[17:25] <dcolish> i mistyped once and ended up killing most of my home folder with a regex mistake
[17:26] <vidd> hehe
[17:26] <vidd> ive done similar stuff
[17:26] <dcolish> well thank god for backups
[17:27] <dcolish> i'm just saying, double check when using rm as root for sure
[17:27] <vidd> i accedentally hit return instead of "3" on the keypad....
[17:27] <hat0> over a decade ago, someone asked some dumb question on irc and i told them, "rm -fR *"
[17:27] <ggreer> double check when you do _anything_ as root
[17:27] <hat0> a few minutes later, they logged back in, "WHERE ARE ALL MY FILES???"
[17:27] <hat0> i felt bad
[17:28] <dcolish> hat0: there are no dumb questions, just windows users
[17:28] <vidd> i had a directory on the / directory /368[something] and that mistype deleted a fare amount of my root directory
[17:29] <vidd> i [ctrl][c]'d but too much damage was done...had to reinstall
[17:29] <dcolish> vidd: one thing i'm noticed is that you can always tell a screw up when the command seems to run too long
[17:29] <vidd> yeah
[17:30] <vidd> and it only takes 3 mistakes to teach you to back up your data
[17:30] <dcolish> ha yeah, i gotta say i'm a huge fan of s3, it makes that so easy
[17:30] <vidd> (or am i just a slow learner?)
[17:30] <jannott> 2 to go for me then
[17:31] <Mopman> ive killed mine a fair few times and still dont run regular backups, im not sure if im a slow learner or an idiot
[17:32] <dcolish> i only back up files i customize, if its hosted by someone else, i'll just bookmark it and save the space
[17:32] <vidd> Mopman, how much critical stuff do you keep on your system (pwn dont count)?
[17:32] <Mopman> well, i have my dotfiles backed up, but not my data that i cant recover ever
[17:32] <Mopman> my priorities are good
[17:33] <dcolish> Mopman: try out a script called s3sync
[17:34] <Mopman> wow
[17:34] <Mopman> id never heard of amazon s3
[17:34] <Mopman> do i live under a rock
[17:34] <dcolish> probably
[17:34] <dcolish> :0
[17:34] <dcolish> :)
[17:48] <tegshee> hi
[17:49] <tegshee> "keyboard layout" how change layouts?
[17:50] <hat0> the easiest way is to use the xfce keyboard switcher panel item
[17:50] <tegshee> mouse click is ok
[17:50] <tegshee> but
[17:51] <tegshee> such us alt+shift?
[17:51] <tegshee> how configure?
[17:52] <tegshee> before I tried it on ubuntu (gnome), there are no problem
[17:54] <dcolish> tegshee: this worked for someone else last night http://ubuntu.sabza.org/2006/10/13/xubuntu-easily-switch-keyboard-layout/
[17:55] <hat0> teghsee, i don't think that there is a menu, in xubuntu, like there is ubuntu, to set this up.  at least, not yet
[18:11] <tegshee> dcolish: tnx
[18:13] <dcolish> np
[18:19] <owen9914> are there any programs that can edit mpeg video files?
[18:20] <TheSheep> !video
[18:20] <TheSheep> wrong factoid :/
[18:20] <TheSheep> owen9914: yes, there are few
[18:20] <TheSheep> owen9914: let me find the page
[18:21] <dcolish> cinerella is good, but complete. kdenlive is easier
[18:23] <TheSheep> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Applications
[18:23] <TheSheep> not exactly what I meant, but it lists quite some good apps
[18:24] <TheSheep> I used pitivi and kino myself, but not for anything fancy
[18:26] <owen9914> ok thanks, theSheep, dcolish.
[18:27] <dcolish> TheSheep, owen9914, check out kdenlive, its got some nice features http://www.kdenlive.org/
[18:28] <TheSheep> dcolish: I have to wait for that qt-gtk2 qt theme first :)
[18:30] <owen9914> Dcolish:seems to have i need. thanks
[18:31] <dcolish> TheSheep: kde = qt for the most part. hopefully they can get that port done so you dont have to install all the kde libs
[18:31] <dcolish> but you're doing that for gnome apps in xfce anyway
[18:33] <owen9914> !qt
[18:36] <TheSheep> dcolish: I'm more concerned about native look of the apps
[18:36] <TheSheep> dcolish: shame I can't also remove 90% of the menus from kde apps, like the dialogs for setting all the colors
[18:37] <dcolish> TheSheep: yeah thats gonna be difficult, i think thats all sorta builtin
[18:38] <TheSheep> dcolish: I know, you cannot improve usability automatically, it's a long process of building a culture of programmers who care :)
[18:39] <hat0> TheSheep: well said!
[18:39] <dcolish> I have to say that qt4 is looking really nice. I've been playing with qtruby bindings in 4.4.3
[18:40] <owen9914> TheSheep: sorry to interrupt is kde generally better?
[18:40] <TheSheep> owen9914: apples and oranges
[18:41] <TheSheep> kde has always been easier to program in, and has some really great and innovative applications because of that
[18:42] <TheSheep> gnome/gtk on the other hand is more into removing unneeded things, making the applications work just the way they should, etc. -- but it's a long and hard process
[18:42] <TheSheep> in the end, it seems kde is more like windows
[18:43] <TheSheep> but with more features
[18:43] <TheSheep> this is of course just my personal opinion
[18:43] <hat0> they all do a lot of the same things, so for most uses it really depends on which you prefer personally.
[18:43] <TheSheep> oh, and qt themes are *ugly* :)
[18:44] <hat0> i don't like how kde apps look, just on aesthetics, but if i had to, i could get work done with it just as easily as xfce
[18:44] <TheSheep> (sorry, couldn't resist)
[18:44] <hat0> yeah, what the sheep said
[18:45] <ggreer> xubuntu seems to pretty neglected compared to kubuntu and ubuntu
[18:45] <TheSheep> yes, it's small
[18:45] <ggreer> lots of little things are broken or missing
[18:45] <knome> the same way xfce is small compared to kde and gnome
[18:45] <dcolish> such as?
[18:45] <ggreer> well, no browsing network shares by default
[18:46] <TheSheep> ggreer: use a sane protocol, not windows network :)
[18:46] <dcolish> smb or nfs?
[18:46] <ggreer> both. thunar can't see either
[18:46] <dcolish> i use cli
[18:46] <ggreer> and mouse sensitivity is set insanely high. move the acceleration setting just one pixel from 0 and it goes completely across the screen
[18:46] <TheSheep> ggreer: you can use fuse...
[18:46] <ggreer> TheSheep: yes, there are many ways I can get it working, but it doesn't work out of the box
[18:47] <hat0> other irritations:  the "mute" button on the laptop keyboard, under ubuntu, toggles mute off/on, but on xfce just sets volume to 0.  there's no pointy-clicky way to set up key-combo keyboard layout switching.  the "screen resolution" panel, or something like it, is missing from 8.10..
[18:47] <owen9914> does that mean it cant view files on windows computers
[18:47] <TheSheep> ggreer: yes, out-of-the-boxness is mostly ubuntu's domain
[18:47] <ggreer> yeah, but gnome is so bloated :/
[18:47] <TheSheep> owen9914: you can, but you need to install a program to do it, or mount the network with fuse
[18:47] <dcolish> so less bloat = more work for you
[18:48] <TheSheep> ggreer: I, for one, consider windows network a bloat too :)
[18:48] <dcolish> if you want automatic you need to accept that i will cost something
[18:48] <dcolish> i/it
[18:49] <ggreer> TheSheep: blah blah blah. my point is that it works in ubuntu but doesn't in xubuntu. the reason isn't bloat or lack of bloat, it's the fact that xubuntu is completely neglected by developers
[18:49] <TheSheep> some people say that xubuntu is laready very bloated because it has so many automated things
[18:49] <dcolish> ggreer: have you submitted any bug reports for what doesnt work?
[18:49] <TheSheep> ggreer: that's not true
[18:49] <ggreer> dcolish: there are already bug reports for my problems
[18:49] <dcolish> have you added to them?
[18:49] <ggreer> no
[18:50] <dcolish> every little bit helps
[18:53] <dcolish> TheSheep: I think xubuntu could be trimmed for my taste, but then a lot of other users would probably be discouraged so its not worth the trade-off
[18:54] <TheSheep> dcolish: the problem is different people consider differnt things to be bloat
[18:54] <owen9914> why what do you consider it to be?
[18:54] <dcolish> totally, for instance, i think network-manager to be bloat
[18:55] <ggreer> dcolish: do you use a laptop?
[18:55] <dcolish> yes
[18:55] <dcolish> i've used both iwconfig and wicd
[18:56] <ggreer> jeez
[18:56] <dcolish> ggreer: is there a problem with those utils?
[18:57] <dcolish> I see it like this, if you only use nm, then your x server doesnt start, you're probably stuck if you dont know iwconfig
[18:57] <ggreer> so how do you normally join new wireless networks? let's say there's a network with SSID blah with multiple APs on channels 1, 6, and 11, how would you join that?
[18:57] <hat0> dcolish, doesn't network manager in 8.10 have the option to start before anyone logs in?
[18:58] <dcolish> not sure, i dont use it
[18:58] <nonie> just instlled 8.10. Everything seems to be ok except one
[18:58] <ggreer> why would your x server suddenly not start?
[18:58] <nonie> my Logitech messenger webcam.
[18:58] <dcolish> ggreer: kernel updates, for one
[18:59] <nonie> On 8.04 it works fine but in 8.10 it doesnt.
[18:59] <ggreer> it would be crazy to push an update that breaks X on people's installs
[18:59] <nonie> any suggestions, i checked some forums and they're having the same thing.
[19:00] <dcolish> ggreer: how long have you been using linux?
[19:00] <TheSheep> :D
[19:00] <ggreer> hmm.... since redhat 5.2 (that's redhat, not RHEL)
[19:00] <ggreer> back when I had to screw around with x configs and I hated life
[19:01] <dcolish> and you've never had an update the broke your x server config?
[19:02] <hat0> well, i've been using xubuntu or ubuntu for about 2 years, and it hasn't happened.  slackware before that, since 1993.
[19:02] <ggreer> no, but a few years ago I got a mac
[19:02] <hat0> like ggreer, a lot of screwing around with x configs and hating life.
[19:02] <ggreer> and I've only used linux for servers since then
[19:04] <dcolish> hat0: it's happened to me on a few times
[19:05] <dcolish> the latest upgrade broke my xorg with its idealistic autoconfigurations
[19:05] <ggreer> now I got a new laptop and I'm playing around with ubuntu on it. I really like xubuntu except it seems so unpolished
[19:07] <dcolish> i look at it like this, you can have a smooth riding heavy car, or a really lightweight racecar, but you can have both at the same time
[19:07] <dcolish> you can't i mean
[19:07] <hat0> dcolish, i think what ggreer is saying is, it won't take much to polish xubuntu, not nearly as much as it would take to remove bloat from ubuntu
[19:08] <hat0> there's really not much that xubuntu doesn't do right, and what those are aren't major programming concerns, but minor tweaks
[19:08] <ggreer> hat0: right
[19:09] <dcolish> ggreer: fair enough, I love this distro and i'm happy to support and contribute
[19:10] <dcolish> unfortunately, i'm more admin than programmer, so I help with support
[19:10] <owen9914> i like this distro too. my opinion doesnt really count though
[19:19] <nonie> Logiteck Quickam messenger problem doesnt work with 8.10 any suggestions?
[19:27] <rabbot> does anyone know if i can do a netboot (pxe) without a router (and just a crossover cable between 2 comps)?
[19:28] <dcolish> rabbot: pretty sure you can
[19:29] <rabbot> could u help me with the IP addresses?
[19:29] <rabbot> i've got tftpd32 setup and ready
[19:29] <dcolish> they have to be on the same subnet
[19:30] <rabbot> yeah, i've got the windows pc set as 192.168.1.1 on 255.255.255.0
[19:31] <rabbot> would i put the dns/router on tftpd32 as 192.168.1.1
[19:33] <dcolish> i'm not totally following you. the tftpd server is the one hosting the images so if the windows is hosting, then yse
[19:34] <dcolish> you need to have the system you're trying to boot find that tftp server
[19:34] <dcolish> i usually use dhcp for pxe booting
[19:34] <rabbot> yeah, its receiving dhcp requests from the client, but is logging as: "no more address or address previously allocated by another server"
[19:35] <dcolish> well is that address already in use? you'll need two ips in the dhcp range
[19:35] <dcolish> at least
[19:37] <rabbot> i did set the pool size as 10, but kept saying the same thing
[19:38] <dcolish> are you pxe booing with linux as you server for the pxe boot?
[19:55] <wmaker> hey guys
[19:55] <user1> hi
[19:55] <wmaker> is it me or is xfce slow in intrepid?
[19:55] <rabbot> hey
[19:56] <wmaker> i switched to gnome wondering if it was the 64 bit distro I was using but gnome is fine, and snappy
[19:56] <wmaker> any known performance issues with xfce4 in ibex?
[19:57] <wmaker> guess not
[20:00] <ShackJack> HI all - I just upgraded to Intrepid on an (old Thinkpad iSeries - 192MB)... the upgrade seemed to go smoothly, but when I restart it won't go into the GUI. After the progress bar goe sout the screen goes blank (though the backlight is still on) and I can't drop to command line, etc.... Any suggestions?
[20:07] <ShackJack> join #ubuntu
[20:15] <wmaker> anyone alive in here?
[20:15] <knome> yes.
[20:16] <wmaker> you have any opinions of xfce4 in ibex?
[20:16]  * charlie-tca thought we were walking dead
[20:17] <wmaker> we all are
[20:17] <wmaker> actually
[20:18] <dcolish> ShackJack: whats you're video device? savage?
[20:19] <vidd> ShackJack, what version did you upgrade from?
[20:20] <dcolish> vidd: I helped someone last night with a similar piece of hardware. The old xorg didnt work either
[20:21] <dcolish> we had to temporarily disable gdm and  add Driver "savage" to the new xorg
[20:21] <toplitzin> Hello
[20:21] <vidd> ah
[20:21] <zoredache> !hi
[20:22] <dcolish> the guy had a older thinkpad as well
[20:22] <toplitzin> Anyone around who can help with install problems?
[20:22] <zoredache> !anyone | toplitzin
[20:24] <toplitzin> :) I'm trying to install 8.1 on an old HP P3 833, i can get to the CD menu, boot it as a live CD, but if i try to install as soon as it gets past the progress bar the screen turns to pixel noise with the mouse cursor visible on top. Suggestions?
[20:26] <dcolish> toplitzin, try the alt cd to install with?
[20:26] <toplitzin> alt CD? as in the other version available for Download?
[20:26] <dcolish> right, its called Alt
[20:27] <dcolish> or alternate
[20:29] <charlie-tca> toplitzin: is it an arrow or flashing underline cursor?
[20:29] <toplitzin> Just jumped on the torrent now, how is it different?
[20:30] <toplitzin> it goes from an X cursor to an arrow
[20:30] <dcolish> toplitzin: its just an installed, it does not require full video support to install
[20:31] <charlie-tca> might be a slow cpu; mine takes what seems like forever at times. I waited up to 30 minutes for the screens
[20:31] <toplitzin> yeah, its an old HP recovered from the trash at the corner, Thats why i figured Xubuntu over trying to cram XP on it.
[20:32] <toplitzin> it had winME on it.
[20:33] <charlie-tca> Either the alternate installation CD or use the live cd and pick 'install from cd' instead of trying to run the live cd
[20:34] <charlie-tca> may work. Of course, depending on the amount of RAM, it will be a long installation
[20:34] <toplitzin> thats where the problem is, when doing install fomr CD i get eh gibberish, it will acutally boot to the desktop as a live CD
[20:35] <toplitzin> but i'm downloading the ALT right now, im going to try running the install one more time and leave it alone for a bit whilke my buddy and I play some football on the 360,
[20:35] <toplitzin> if that doesn't work we'll try the ALT version next.
[20:37] <charlie-tca> Good luck. I installed on a PII, 400Mhz cpu with 160MB ram, but it took a long time.
[20:40]  * toplitzin is going to idle for a bit, will report back.
[20:56] <danopia> Hi.
[20:57] <danopia> I want to set up a .vimrc for root
[20:57] <danopia> where hsuold I put it
[20:57] <babyhuey> about to get flamed for this but;  i just install 8.04 on a -very- old machine, 64 megs of ram in it.  it wouldnt load off the cdrom drive so i did it over a use adapter, anyways, everything works, and it boots in the vmware i installed it in, but when i put it in the machine, it hangs at 'early unpacking initramfs' and does nothing else
[20:58] <dcolish> danopia: /root
[20:59] <danopia> dcolish, oh thanks
[21:11] <TheSheep> babyhuey: probably the -root parameter for kernel is wrong
[21:11] <babyhuey> its a uuid for the drive
[21:11] <TheSheep> babyhuey: or it doesn't have enough ram to unpack initramfs...
[21:11] <babyhuey> that could be the issue
[21:11] <babyhuey> is there any way i can get linux on this machine/ or is it hopeless
[21:12] <TheSheep> use a different distribution, one that has less things working out of the box but is slimmer
[21:12] <TheSheep> dsl or archlinux, for example
[21:12] <babyhuey> i tried dsl, but it wouldnt boot internally either, and when i plugged it into the vm machine it wouldnt recognize it
[21:14] <TheSheep> it also might be something wrong with the box
[21:15] <babyhuey> it was running windows 95 fine
[21:16] <TheSheep> babyhuey: you really can't find ay more ram for it? even if you manage to run with what you've got, it's going to be painfully slow
[21:16] <zoredache> you are using 'it' far too ofthen.  When you plugged what in, it wouldn't boot?
[21:17] <babyhuey> when i plugged the hard drive in
[21:17] <babyhuey> TheSheep: all it needs to do is go online
[21:18] <zoredache> babyhuey: current webbrowsers need huge ammounts of memeory
[21:18] <babyhuey> dillo does/
[21:21] <zoredache> So am I to understand that you are installing Linux onto a hard disk connected to one computer, then you are transfering that hard disk to this old computer?  Are you sure that the bootloader is getting written to the correct drive?  When you install onto this drive, is it the only drive in the machine?
[21:22] <babyhuey> the drive is plugged into my laptop, and connnected to usb, in the vmware instance, i make it only see the usb drive, /dev/sdb, and yes, the bootloader is getting loaded onto the correct drive.
[21:23] <babyhuey> it shows grub at startup of the old machine, and when i start the drive in vmware grub loads then the system loads fine
[21:24] <zoredache> so, in vmware are you using the USB support, or are you using a raw-disk and pointing it at /dev/sdb?
[21:24] <babyhuey> raw disk
[21:25] <TheSheep> babyhuey: how about the path of the initrd in grub?
[21:25] <pyntix> quick question: i have an old NVidia MX 420, should i use the nvidia-glx or the nvidia-glx-legacy driver?
[21:26] <TheSheep> pyntix: there is a compatibility list on the wiki somewhere
[21:26] <pyntix> ok :S
[21:26] <pyntix> i'll look
[21:27] <babyhuey> TheSheep: the initrd is set to /boot/initrd.img and the root is set to the uuid of the drive
[21:27] <TheSheep> babyhuey: did you try to set it to hda or sda and see if it works?
[21:27] <toplitzin> I jsut finished burning the ALT version, wish me luck :D
[21:28] <zoredache> is vmware seeing the device as ide, or scsi?
[21:28] <babyhuey> TheSheep: i did, neither changed anything
[21:28] <babyhuey> zoredache: i believe scsi
[21:29] <zoredache> hrm...  That might be an issue... I also wonder if it has something to do with your old computer not able to handle lba or CHS?
[21:31] <babyhuey> maybe, it is very old p1
[21:31] <babyhuey> one of the gray toshiba units
[21:33] <zoredache> I believe in the VMs bios you should be able to configure that.  You might also try creating a smallish partition at the very begginging just for /boot
[21:33] <pyntix> TheSheep: i can't find the list :/
[21:34] <babyhuey> doesnt ubuntu do that by default
[21:35] <zoredache> what?  create a seperate boot partition?  I don't think so
[21:35] <babyhuey> i swear it creates 3 partitions
[21:35] <ggreer> it would be nice if the locale picker in the installer had a city in the US on the west coast
[21:35] <ggreer> the closest cities in my time zone are vancouver and tijiuana
[21:36] <ggreer> if I pick vancouver then ubuntu uses the canadian servers for updates
[21:36] <zoredache> babyhuey: when set to auto all on one partition, you usually get nda1 will be root, nda2 will be an extended partition, and hda5 will be swap
[21:37] <ggreer> and I think the canadian servers are slow because a bunch of americans are using them
[21:37] <babyhuey> hmm, maybe that is it then
[21:37] <babyhuey> this system doesnt -have- to work, i would just like it, its for a coworker that doesnt have enough for another system
[21:38] <toplitzin> ok I'm back
[21:39] <toplitzin> the ALT cd wouldn't install either
[21:39] <toplitzin> but i did get new shiney errors.
[21:39] <zoredache> honestly, I suspect if you go dumpster diving at the write place you'll be able to find something better...
[21:39] <zoredache> *right*
[21:39] <babyhuey> heh, most likely
[21:39] <toplitzin> 14.060686 end_req I/O error on Dev sr0 logical block #
[21:40] <pyntix> i have an old NVidia MX 420, should i use the nvidia-glx or the nvidia-glx-legacy driver? i've checked on ubuntus website but couldn't find anything. i've got 6.06
[21:41] <zoredache> pyntix: not knowing anything, I suggest you flip a coin, try one, if it doesn't work, try the other
[21:41] <pyntix> ok o_O
[21:42] <toplitzin> the error repeats with the numbers on the left getting bigger and the block number changing.
[21:44] <toplitzin> I'm running Hirens boot CD now making sure the HD is error free, but any other suggestions?
[21:46] <toplitzin> zoredache: no joy on either disk, and the Scandisk came back clean
[21:51] <toplitzin> I'm in the dark here guys, any guesses on how to get this to install?
[21:51] <toplitzin> or should i just give in, and try and slap XP on it?
[21:58] <zchef2k> can someone help me with a grub error?
[22:08] <favro> zchef2k: inhere you are better of starting with "I did this and now I get this grub error"
[22:08] <toplitzin> favro: can you help with an install problem?
[22:08] <zchef2k> i am in the process of dicking up my grub install trying to install gfxboot
[22:08] <zchef2k> i cant set root or setup
[22:09] <favro> toplitzin: I've no experience with the errors you're seeing sorry
[22:09] <toplitzin> ahh
[22:09] <toplitzin> what about the normal CD when i jsut get pixel garbage
[22:10] <favro> toplitzin: toplitzin that could be anything from a bad card to you needing a boot parameter to a bad cd to...
[22:11] <toplitzin> ahh,
[22:11] <toplitzin> i guess i'll try XP
[22:11] <favro> zchef2k: can't set root where or ...
[22:11] <favro> toplitzin: tried a google search for your h/ware and ubuntu?
[22:12] <toplitzin> favro: its just an old HP i recovered from the trash pile p3 833, 40gb HD
[22:12] <zchef2k> grub> root (hd0,4) no workie
[22:12] <zchef2k> Ill give output
[22:13] <zchef2k> Error 22: No such partition
[22:13] <favro> toplitzin: it might have been in the garbarge 'cause of m/board issues which might explain the io errors or similar
[22:13] <zchef2k> its interesting b/c thats what Im booted to
[22:13] <favro> zchef2k: how did you identify the partition?
[22:14] <toplitzin> favro: this is true, it booted into WinME but i jsut saw that and foratted the drive
[22:14] <favro> I would,ve too
[22:14] <toplitzin> formatted* i used it to do a ouple of HD backups without taking down my main machine, was able to do those fine, but i'm not holding my breath
[22:15] <zchef2k> fdisk -l
[22:15] <zchef2k> sda4
[22:15] <favro> zchef2k: have you tried sda3 or sda5?
[22:16] <zchef2k> same errors
[22:16] <favro> zchef2k: try it with hda as a test
[22:16] <zchef2k> as root (hd0,x) where x is any possibility between 1 and 4, the number of partitions on the drive
[22:17] <zchef2k> ok one sec
[22:17] <zchef2k> error while parsing number
[22:18] <favro> zchef2k: that was the total output?
[22:18] <zchef2k> lemme pastebin this, one sec
[22:19] <zchef2k> http://paste.ubuntu.com/66984/
[22:21] <favro> zchef2k: try   find /boot/grub/stage1
[22:22] <zchef2k> http://paste.ubuntu.com/66986/
[22:23] <zchef2k> i was actually getting ready to sh you thatow
[22:23] <zchef2k> show you that
[22:23] <favro> zchef2k: try   find /boot/grub/stage1   should be run from the grub prompt you had
[22:23] <zchef2k> same error
[22:24] <zchef2k> sorry
[22:24] <zchef2k> its Error 15: file not found
[22:24] <zchef2k> but clearly it is there
[22:25] <favro> zchef2k: I don't know what you did but it seems what you did wasn't liked by grub - were you following a howto?
[22:26] <zchef2k> yeah
[22:26] <favro> zchef2k: a link?
[22:26] <zchef2k> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=208855&page=2
[22:29] <zchef2k> side note, how do you uninstall a deb? dpkg -r asks for an action???
[22:30] <favro> zchef2k: where did you install grub to?
[22:30] <zchef2k> grub is in /usr/sbin
[22:30] <favro> zchef2k: dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb
[22:30] <zchef2k> uninstall favro
[22:31] <zchef2k> got it nm
[22:31] <zchef2k> i think that version of grub isnt friendly
[22:31] <zchef2k> with ibex
[22:33] <favro> zchef2k: heh - from man dpkg   dpkg -r package.deb
[22:33] <zchef2k> got it
[22:33] <zchef2k> got that that is
[22:33] <zchef2k> ok, so i removed that grub the howto said and apt-got the official one
[22:33] <zchef2k> everything seems ok now, but I would still like to get gfxboot going
[22:34] <favro> zchef2k: start the howto from the beginning and follow it closely
[22:35] <zchef2k> ok, but i am using 64bit ibex, i was assume this warrons written for 32 he
[22:36] <favro> 64bit does have some limitations afaik
[22:36] <zchef2k> ill check it out
[22:36] <zchef2k> thnx for ye farr help thus
[22:36] <zchef2k> thnxs for your help thus far
[22:37] <zchef2k> damn i need to disable tracktapping
[22:37] <favro> heh
[22:44] <pyntix> i've installed the nvidia-glx driver on my xubuntu 6.06, but i see no difference from before and when i do 'glxinfo | grep OpenGL' in the terminal, i get this error: 'Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".'
[22:48] <pyntix> anyone?
[22:49] <favro> I have these lines in my xorg.conf on dapper - do they help
[22:49] <favro> Section "Extensions"
[22:49] <favro>        Option "Composite" "Enable"
[22:49] <favro>        Option "RENDER" "Enable"
[22:49] <favro> EndSection
[22:49] <favro> pyntix: don't worry about that
[22:49] <favro> pyntix: in the modules section - Load	"glx"
[22:50] <pyntix> in xorg.conf?
[22:50] <favro> pyntix: yes - in the modules section is there Load	"glx"
[22:50] <mib_nolqd7> i'm trying to do a server install and it keeps failing at installing the base system
[22:50] <mib_nolqd7> any ideas?
[22:51] <favro> mib_nolqd7: done the cd check?
[22:51] <mib_nolqd7> i'm using the minimal cd
[22:51] <mib_nolqd7> so downloading everything
[22:52] <favro> mib_nolqd7: how does it fail?
[22:52] <toplitzin> XP is installing fine :(
[22:52] <mib_nolqd7> during the base install, /some/ packages time out
[22:52] <favro> toplitzin: did you do the cd check?
[22:52] <toplitzin> yeah
[22:53] <favro> mib_nolqd7: "might" be that the server is busy
[22:53] <biz> Hello
[22:53] <mib_nolqd7> favro: hmm, can i check which ones aren't?
[22:53] <pyntix> favro, yup, it's already there
[22:54] <favro> mib_nolqd7: I don't know how with the netinstall cd sorry
[22:54] <mib_nolqd7> favro: no worries
[22:55] <biz> What's the suggested way to handle ssh and gpg keys with xubuntu/xfce? Using seahorse? I'd like to unlock my ssh and my gpg key right after gdm login and keep them unlocked until I logout. Any ideas?
[22:55] <mib_nolqd7> favro: I might try again in the early hours ;0
[22:56] <favro> pyntix: try in terminal   cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
[22:56] <kapyy> hi
[22:57] <kapyy> i kinda need some help with my xubuntu 8.10
[22:57] <Grey_Loki> !ask kapyy
[22:57] <pyntix> (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
[22:57] <pyntix> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[22:57] <pyntix> (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom
[22:57] <Grey_Loki> Oops
[22:57] <Grey_Loki> !ask | kapyy
[22:57] <pyntix> favro ^
[22:58] <kapyy> ah sry
[22:58] <favro> pyntix: that says you aren't using a nvidia driver that can do glx
[22:58] <pyntix> :S
[22:59] <pyntix> i installed the nvidia-glx driver from the official repo
[22:59] <favro> toplitzin: tried a google search to see if your h/ware needs a boot parameter?
[22:59] <pyntix> favro, i have an NVidia MX 420
[22:59] <favro> pyntix: I don't know that card sorry
[23:00] <hhh2> hhh2> hi i can't find how to get the downthemall ff3 extension sound to work
 in xubuntu
 hardy
 can u help me?
[23:00] <pyntix> its rather old, from 2002
[23:00] <favro> pyntix: is it geforce based?
[23:00] <pyntix> yup
[23:00] <pyntix> nvidia gefore 4-series
[23:01] <dcolish> toplitzin: how old is your system?
[23:01] <favro> pyntix: try the non legacy driver then
[23:01] <pyntix> favro, ive got that already :/
[23:01] <favro> pyntix: fine - then try the legacy since the one you've got isn't working :)
[23:02] <pyntix> ok :P
[23:02] <pyntix> favro, my system isn't too updated, could that do something?
[23:02] <biz> hhh2: run firefox from a terminal emulator and look at the output as soon as there should be some sound, most probably you will see some error messages regarding the sound-system (which could help you determine the problem)
[23:03] <kapyy> so, the thing is.. i can't get my wlan to connect. i get to a point where it ask's  my password to my wlan(wpa) but it just won't connect. and also I can't find any kind of network manager tool. I just might get it working on my own but can't get to the place where to start. my first try on xubuntu (8.10). so how do I start some kind of (graphical) networking tool?
[23:03] <favro> pyntix: it shouldn't stop the card driver from working if you have the right one
[23:03] <pyntix> favro, ok
[23:03] <favro> pyntix: but an update is always wise
[23:04] <hhh2> biz,  no error
[23:04] <hhh2> no messages
[23:05] <favro> !wifi | kapyy
[23:08] <biz> hhh2: did you close all instances of firefox before trying this? Errors and output of firefox go to the parent process that initially started firefox (since this tree goes back to X.org, have a look for firefox problems in ~/.xsession-errors, or stop all ff instances and try it again from an xterm)
[23:10] <hhh2> yes
[23:10] <pyntix> how can i find which soundcards i have in my computer?
[23:10] <pyntix> i seem to have two
[23:11] <favro> pyntix: lspci | grep audio
[23:12] <pyntix> ok
[23:12] <pyntix> and can i pick which one that should be used, and if then how?
[23:13] <favro> pyntix: if one is onboard disable it in bios - or pull the other out is all I know about that...
[23:14] <pyntix> ok :P
[23:14] <favro> pyntix: sorry - if you have the mixer applet on your panel a right click will let you select which to use
[23:15] <pyntix> ahhh :D
[23:15] <pyntix> i knew it existed in k-/ubuntu but didn't find it here
[23:15] <pyntix> thanks
[23:15] <hhh2> biz,  no errors
[23:16] <biz> there are several ways, you can use ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asoundrc to define your default card, or you could tell modprobe to index your cards in a specific order, the alsa "default" card is usually "default:0", which is alsa's dmix->hw:0 these days, afaik
[23:16] <favro> pyntix: ^
[23:16] <pyntix> ah
[23:16] <hhh2> in /.xsession-errors there are no references to firefox
[23:17] <biz> hhh2: I'm sorry I've never used that extension
[23:18] <hhh2> which download manager do u use?
[23:18] <biz> hhh2: none
[23:19] <biz> you could 'strace firefox' to find the problem, if you're familiar with system calls and signals
[23:19] <hhh2> no
[23:22] <pyntix> aw, it still only uses the wrong soundcard :/
[23:23] <biz> what is "it"?
[23:23] <pyntix> xubuntu >_<
[23:23] <biz> no, which app?
[23:23] <pyntix> oh
[23:23] <pyntix> uh
[23:23] <pyntix> vlc
[23:23] <pyntix> alsamixer
[23:23] <pyntix> only two i've tried with so far
[23:24] <favro> pyntix: try /etc/asoundrc to define your default card
[23:24] <pyntix> ok
[23:24] <biz> with vlc you can set the sound output in the preferences, with alsamixer you can use -c to access the mixer of a specific card
[23:25] <biz> pyntix: pastebin the output of 'cat /proc/asound/{modules,cards}' and tell us which card you'd like to have as your system-wide default
[23:32] <pyntix> biz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/67021/
[23:32] <pyntix> and i want the second one to be used
[23:32] <pyntix> Ensoniq AudioPCI
[23:34] <biz> pyntix: ok, then (as root) edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base and append:
[23:34] <biz> options snd_ens1371 index=0
[23:34] <pyntix> stupid question perhaps, but will it be enough to use sudo?
[23:35] <biz> yes, sudo $EDITOR
[23:35] <pyntix> yup ok
[23:36] <pyntix> ok done
[23:36] <pyntix> do i have to restart something?
[23:36] <biz> then, close all sound apps, 'modprobe -r snd_via82xx snd_ens1371', 'modprobe snd_via82xx snd_ens1371' and try it
[23:37] <biz> better yet, 'cat /proc/asound/cards' and check if they're re-indexed in the correct order
[23:37] <pyntix> hm
[23:38] <pyntix> FATAL: Module snd_via82xx is in use.
[23:38] <pyntix> what could be using it :S
[23:38] <favro> is firefox open?
[23:39] <pyntix> no
[23:40] <pyntix> xfce4-mixer-plu ?
[23:40] <biz> other modules could use them
[23:40] <pyntix> maybe i should uh
[23:40] <pyntix> reboot or something to textmode?
[23:40] <biz> lsmod | awk '/^snd/{ print $1 }' | xargs modprobe -r
[23:40] <pyntix> :O
[23:41] <favro> hehe - use copy/paste
[23:41] <pyntix> FATAL: Error removing snd_seq_dummy (/lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386/kernel/sound/core/seq/snd-seq-dummy.ko): Operation not permitted
[23:41] <favro> needs a sudo
[23:41] <pyntix> tried, same error
[23:42] <biz> well, then use 'lsmod | awk '/^snd/{ print $1 }' | sudo xargs modprobe -r'
[23:43] <pyntix> FATAL: Module snd_ens1371 is in use.
[23:44] <pyntix> maybe i'll just uh reboot? o_O
[23:44] <biz> you can solve this if you follow the module dependencies between each other, but probably a simple reboot is easier for you?
[23:44] <pyntix> eheh, maybe yes
[23:44] <biz> column 4 of lsmod shows dependencies
[23:44] <pyntix> also, i've just updated everything updateable in the system
[23:45] <pyntix> maybe would be good with a reboot
[23:45] <pyntix> brb then
[23:50] <pyntix> back
[23:50] <pyntix> biz: can you repost your uh, latest instructions?
[23:50] <biz> cat /proc/asound/cards
[23:51] <pyntix> ens1371 is first
[23:51] <pyntix> :D
[23:51] <pyntix> then uh
[23:51] <pyntix> my sound should work then?
[23:51] <jason__> Quick question. I'm trying to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10, but 8.10 isn't showing up in my Update list. Any suggestions?
[23:52] <biz> pyntix: 'speaker-test -Ddefault -twav -c2' should come out of your ens1371
[23:53] <pyntix> :DDD
[23:53] <pyntix> niiiiice
[23:53] <pyntix> hm
[23:53] <jason__> Any one?
[23:54] <charlie-tca> jason__: yes
[23:54] <charlie-tca> Since 8.04 is long term, you have to tell it to upgrade. Let me get the reference
[23:55] <jason__> Excellent. Thank you. :-)
[23:55] <charlie-tca> It tells you here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[23:55] <biz> To upgrade from Xubuntu 8.04, open the Update Manager from the Applications menu under System. It will tell you: "New distribution release '8.10' is available". Click Upgrade and follow the on-screen instructions.
[23:56] <jason__> It's not on the update list.
[23:56] <jason__> I'll try your suggestion, Charlie. Thanks.
[23:56] <charlie-tca> you can just hit Alt-F2, type in ¨update-manager -d¨ and it will show you can upgrade
[23:57] <cody-somerville> http://xubuntu.org/get also describes how to upgrade
[23:57] <charlie-tca> That is what I needed. Thanks!
[23:57] <jason__> Perfect. Thanks very much for the help. :)
[23:58] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: That doesn work with 8.04 to 8.10
[23:58] <pyntix> hm, about my graphics card again: i've installed the legacy driver but it still says 'Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".'
[23:59] <biz> pyntix: what is "it"? ;-)
[23:59] <pyntix> oh
[23:59] <pyntix> the terminal, after 'glxinfo | grep OpenGL'
[23:59] <biz> FYI: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html