[00:00] <hoonteke> Kmail, I've set it to sort by threads.  But how do I make it organize the threads by the date of the most recent message?
[00:00] <hoonteke> as opposed to the first message in the thread?
[00:01] <notriddle> lalakis: Under the [Compositing] section, set Enabled=false.
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> kwinrc, not kdmrc
[00:02]  * Lars_G doesn't wants to reinstall
[00:02] <notriddle> JontheEchidna: Correct. Sorry....
[00:02] <lalakis> ok
[00:03] <bluecopper> hi guys i'm Dwayne from jamaica
[00:03] <notriddle> lalakis: I put 4 in paranthesis because under Kubuntu Hardy, it is needed. Under Intrepid, the four shouldn't be there.
[00:03] <bluecopper> i have a problem that i hope i can get some assistance with
[00:03] <lalakis> ok
[00:03] <notriddle> bluecopper: Okay. What?
[00:04] <lalakis> nano is for editing though ?
[00:04] <bluecopper> i'm currently running 8.04 but i cant seem to do an upgrade
[00:04] <omicron23> hi. i have problems connecting to a wpa wireless lan using networkmanager on 8.10:
[00:04] <bluecopper> i have tried kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade"
[00:05] <notriddle> lalakis: Yep. Nano is a program for editing files from a command line. Much simpler from the ever-popular vim and emacs ;).
[00:05] <bluecopper> also kdesudo "/cdrom/cdromupgrade"
[00:05] <omicron23> couldn't get connection secrets: requested setting is empty
[00:05] <bluecopper> for the alternat cd upgrade but still no luck
[00:05] <notriddle> bluecopper: What exactly happened.
[00:05] <DaSkreech> !hi | Congrats bluecopper We will send you a prize
[00:05] <DaSkreech> !upgrade
[00:06] <notriddle> DaSkreech: He tried the normal stuff already...
[00:06] <bluecopper> hey skreech
[00:07] <Gribbler> just upgraded from 8.04 to 8.1 looks nice.... however.. for some reason, I can't access my CD
[00:07] <DaSkreech> I didn't see upgrade-manager-core -d anywhere there :)
[00:07] <bluecopper> i just ran from the terminal sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:07] <DaSkreech> hi bluecopper
[00:07] <DaSkreech> bluecopper: that'll break stuff
[00:07] <DaSkreech> Read the upgrade notes
[00:07] <Lars_G> notriddle: In those instructions it'll probably mention the steps he needs to take for going from a lts distro to a normal one
[00:07] <bluecopper> and all i get is "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[00:07] <Gribbler> I followed the steps exactly
[00:07] <notriddle> bluecopper: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't work for that.
[00:08] <notriddle> Lars_G: The adept command bluecopper mentioned normally would work.
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> Lars_G: you could try installing gdm
[00:09] <Gribbler> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[00:09] <Gribbler> those are the instructions I followed flawless
[00:09] <Lars_G> JontheEchidna: And what about running kde apps?
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> things are bound to happen if you run startx from a root account
[00:10] <Gribbler> I just upgraded to the new amarok it works great
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> Gribbler: great :)
[00:11] <Gribbler> Its pretty nice.. I recomend it
[00:11] <bluecopper> lemmi read the info and get back
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> they really poured the polish on in the context view widgets this time around
[00:11] <hoonteke> any idea how to change the thread default sorting order, or a pointer to documentation for me?
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> and tons of bugfixes of course
[00:11] <Gribbler> I tried 8.04 with 4.0 and it was crap.. its pretty good now
[00:13] <bluecopper> for some strange reason when i ran this last night "kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade""
[00:13] <Gribbler> so any hints on diaging my cdrom error?
[00:13] <bluecopper> i never got the version upgrade
[00:14] <bluecopper> i get it now
[00:14] <Gribbler> its a plot by Bill Gates!
[00:14] <Lars_G> bluecopper: Maybe you had a few upgradeable packages in the older version
[00:14] <notriddle> bluecopper: Cool.
[00:14] <bluecopper> let me see if the alternate cd method works now
[00:14] <Lars_G> bluecopper: Version upgrade wont show until all your packages are up to date
[00:14] <notriddle> Glibber: What is?
[00:15] <Gribbler> the install not working last night and working today
[00:15]  * Lars_G goes berserk
[00:15] <bluecopper> actually no, i had ran the regular upgrade first before doing version upgrade
[00:15] <notriddle> Gribbler: Jeeze...
[00:16] <Gribbler> they are called the evil empire for a reason
[00:16]  * notriddle wonders why Gribbler talks about BG. He's not running MS anymore.
[00:17] <Gribbler> thats just what he wants you to think!! (ok so I enjoy keeping the evil alive)
[00:17] <bluecopper> when i run kdesudo "/media/cdrom/cdromupgrade" i get command not found
[00:18] <notriddle> bluecopper: Perhaps /media/cdrom isn't mounted yet. You can mount it by right-clicking on the desktop icon.
[00:18] <canni> asd
[00:18] <Lars_G> canni: age sex dedication?
[00:19] <emma> Say, using Kubuntu 8.10 here. How come when I sudo aptitude install firefox it installs so much gnome libs?
[00:19] <notriddle> canni: After School Detention
[00:19] <notriddle> emma: Because Firefox makes use of them ;)
[00:19] <canni> what?
[00:19] <bluecopper> notriddle: no thats not it cause am browsing the cd
[00:19] <Lars_G> canni: Killer crabs from space!
[00:19] <emma> notriddle: are you really notriddle ?
[00:20] <notriddle> emma: What do you mean?
[00:20] <emma> notriddle: are you quite sure that FireFox requires GNOME dependencies? Is FireFox a GNOME app. I thought it was supposed to be DE neutral.
[00:20] <bluecopper> is cdromupgrade supposed to be a file on the cd?
[00:20] <Lars_G> emma: firefox is really a GTK based app
[00:20] <notriddle> bluecopper: Yep.
[00:20] <emma> notriddle: there's a significant figure in the Kubuntu development community who's last name is Riddle. I wonder if your nick is ironic in that you are actually him, or you are intentionally trying to make sure people don't think you are him.
[00:20] <jaakkome> emma: I don't know how you could be "DE neutral" in that sense
[00:21] <canni> you gay ^
[00:21] <Lars_G> emma: and gnome is gtk based. either firefox has started using gnome libs... or some of the gtk parts in ubuntu are included in the gnome packages (odd), or the package manager is just following package suggestions
[00:21] <Lars_G> canni: Yep I'm gay... so?
[00:21] <ChrisMir> Is there a shortcut for focussing the plasma dashboard?
[00:21] <bluecopper> oh snap i dont see the file on my cd
[00:21] <notriddle> emma: No. I'm not Johnathan Riddell.
[00:21] <Joe_Knight> can anyone help me with my 8.10 new install of kubuntu
[00:22] <DaSkreech> emma: What Gnome libs is it installing?
[00:22] <Lars_G> emma: I think his nick is Harry Potter related.
[00:22] <Joe_Knight> im tryin to get the netgear card to work with it
[00:22] <emma> Lars_G: It seems like a mistake to have GNOME libs installing with firefox in Kubuntu. I understand if gtk libs are necessary but GNOME stuff is weird.
[00:22] <emma> DaSkreech: let me see.
[00:22] <Trapecista> how can i use an older version of g++? 4.1 insted of 4.3 in kubuntu
[00:22] <Lars_G> emma: Yeah, I'd double check it myself.
[00:22] <Lars_G> emma: In fact let me see
[00:22] <Lars_G> emma: since I have the dependencies open
[00:22] <canni> For nothing
[00:23] <notriddle> emma: Firefox does have optional support for some GNOME stuff (i.e. GNOMEVFS). Guess who has them compiled in ;).
[00:23] <emma> Lars_G: try aptitude -s install firefox
[00:23] <DaSkreech> bluecopper: WHich Cd?
[00:23] <bluecopper> the kubuntu alternate cd
[00:23] <emma> Lars_G: that will simulate an installation so you can see what it does.
[00:23] <zeth_> can the latest Kopete do IRC chat?
[00:23] <canni> Spanish someone
[00:23] <canni> ?
[00:23] <tacosarecool> This os isn't playing nice with my soundcard I think that's the problem
[00:24] <Lars_G> emma: I bet the culpright is firefox-3.0-gnome-support
[00:24] <Lars_G> !es
[00:24] <emma> Lars_G: is this a bug?
[00:24] <Lars_G> emma: no
[00:25] <emma> Having GNOME libs in Kubuntu feels bad.
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> bug 292403
[00:25] <Lars_G> emma: the detail would be to see who pulls firefox-3.0-gnome-support in, but gnome support requires gnome libs
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> where is ubottu
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> ubufox does
[00:25] <DaSkreech> !es | canni
[00:25] <notriddle> !ubottu
[00:25] <DaSkreech> zeth_: No
[00:25] <notriddle> !ubottu
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403
[00:26] <DaSkreech> emma: Gnome LIbs aren't in Kubuntu. you installed them :)
[00:26] <emma> I installed Firefox.
[00:26] <DaSkreech> Which carries gtk libs
[00:26] <emma> Firefox should not be installing gnome libs in a kubuntu package.
[00:26] <notriddle> emma: Yep. And Firefox uses GNOME libs.
[00:26] <emma> gtk libs != gnome libs
[00:26] <bluecopper> but wat i dont understand is when i was burning the image to cd it checked the md5 and it passed
[00:26] <DaSkreech> Which gnome libs are installing?
[00:26] <emma> So you are telling me that firefox cannot work without GNOME libs?
[00:26] <DaSkreech> bluecopper: What's up I got distracted
[00:26] <DaSkreech> emma:
[00:27] <DaSkreech> You may have ubufox installed
[00:27] <emma> libgnomeui was installed and many others.
[00:27] <zeth_> DaSkreech : what takes its place?
[00:27] <emma> gnome-mount
[00:27] <emma> libgnomevfs
[00:27] <DaSkreech> zeth_: Konversation
[00:27] <bluecopper> i was saying that the cdromupgrade file is not on my alternate cd
[00:27] <emma> libgnome2-perl
[00:27] <emma> many others.
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> firefox works without gnome libs
[00:27] <zeth_> DaSkreech : Thank you for that info
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> just look at the bug report
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403
[00:27] <DaSkreech> Ok I have no idea why it's installing perl
[00:27] <notriddle> emma: It would seem that FF does need the GNOME libraries, or there is a packaging bug.
[00:27] <emma> If firefox works without gnome libs then why is a kubuntu package installing gnome libs in Kubuntu?
[00:27] <DaSkreech> emma: Listen to JontheEchidna
[00:28] <emma> I am.
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> they changed it so that recommends get installed by default
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> they need to bump ubufox down to suggests but they dont' want to
[00:28] <emma> Do you think that's a good idea?
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> nol of course not
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> s/l/,
[00:28] <Lars_G> I'm losing faith on being able to fix this
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> it's a mozilla team issue, not a kubuntu team error
[00:29] <emma> why would recommends be installed by default, how could that be a mozilla team issue?
[00:29] <DaSkreech> Lars_G: What?
[00:29] <DaSkreech> emma: it's a packaging (ubuntu) issue
[00:29] <Lars_G> emma: Btw kubuntu and ubuntu are just ubuntu with gnome or kde by default, the repositories and packages are the same for both, there is no such thing as a kubuntu firefox and a ubuntu firefox.
[00:30] <Gribbler> very odd.. I can see data CDs I have writen, but can't see audio CDs. any ideas?
[00:30] <emma> Lars_G: there are some packages that are for kubuntu.
[00:30] <emma> like kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:30] <Lars_G> DaSkreech: Basically after upgrading 8.04 to 8.10 no kde programs run, including kdm (shows a background, runs the greeter but never shows it)
[00:30] <DaSkreech> Gribbler: try audiocd:/ in dolphin
[00:30] <DaSkreech> Lars_G: Any errors?
[00:30] <Lars_G> emma: those are metapackages, to pull groups of packages at once
[00:31] <emma> yes but is kubuntu-restricted-extras an identical meta package to ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[00:31] <tacosarecool> I have a issue with my soundcard under kde4
[00:31] <Lars_G> DaSkreech: In general no, the programs I run hang up waiting forever, consuming more and more cpu and never show... kdm itself shows a background, but no login screen.
[00:31] <notriddle> emma: No. They may have some overlap, but are not the same.
[00:31] <DaSkreech> Lars_G: Straight X apps show?
[00:31] <emma> Then some packages were made specifically for kubuntu.
[00:31] <Lars_G> emma: It's not, but they both pull packages that will run in ubuntu or kubuntu all the same, and that come from the same repo for both
[00:32] <Lars_G> DaSkreech: yes, so do gtk apps
[00:32] <DaSkreech> Lars_G: reinstall KDelibs5 ?
[00:32] <Lars_G> emma: No they where not.
[00:32] <Lars_G> emma: metapackages are a way to quickly install sets of stuff.
[00:32] <tacosarecool> I have soundblaster live 24bit
[00:32] <bluecopper> daskreech: i guess i'll just get started on my internet upgrade on ma c&w "1 meg" connection
[00:32] <emma> Lars_G: yes I understand that.
[00:32] <Lars_G> emma: I can install any package, including metapackages in ubuntu or kubuntu
[00:32] <Lars_G> DaSkreech: Sigh I'll try.
[00:32] <DaSkreech> bluecopper: I'd say try the server install from the website
[00:33] <little> Anybody here that's installed the NVIDIA driver manually mind getting their brain picked? (:
[00:33] <emma> Lars_G: yes I undertand that as well. But it seems fair to say that kubuntu-restricted-extras was made with the intention that people with kubuntu user it.
[00:33] <Gribbler> DaSkreech where do I put audiocd:/   I understand somewhere in Dolphin, but where?
[00:33] <coreymon77> Lars_G: there is really not much of a difference between ubuntu (gnome) and kubuntu (kde), anything that will run is one will run in the other
[00:33] <bluecopper> daskreech: server install
[00:33] <bluecopper> ?
[00:33] <DaSkreech> Gribbler: Press ctrl+L then type it there
[00:33] <emma> Did anyone else install the fglrx ati driver and have it break their monitor?
[00:33] <Lars_G> emma: It could also be used by ubuntu users who want to have a dual gnome/kde system :D but ok I'll concede
[00:33] <DaSkreech> bluecopper: server upgrade
[00:34] <DaSkreech> emma: Or someone who just wants amarok
[00:34] <tacosarecool> Help!
[00:34] <zeth_> I am testing Konversation .. can someone say my name? Thanks
[00:34] <Lars_G> zeth_: aye
[00:34] <emma> zeth_: okay zeth_ how is this?
[00:34] <little> zeth_ Done. (:
[00:34] <tacosarecool> Problem with my sound under Kubuntu intrepid
[00:34] <zeth_> thank guys ... no audio notification
[00:34] <zeth_> how do I activate that?
[00:34] <emma> I have some problems with sound as well. The start up music never finishes , it gets cut short.
[00:35] <little> zeth_: Settings --> Configure Notifications
[00:35] <KDesk> Is in KDE4 a command like kdeeject?
[00:35] <little> emma: Is it a default sound file or one you added to the system?
[00:35] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: Get the driver from Creative's website
[00:36] <tacosarecool> Thanks
[00:36] <tacosarecool> Do I have to uninstall the old sound drive
[00:36] <tacosarecool> r
[00:36] <emma> little: it's the default start up music. It is pretty neat but then suddenly gets cut off before it finishes.
[00:36] <DaSkreech> zeth_: Settings -> Configure Notifications like all other KDE apps
[00:36] <DaSkreech> KDesk: to do what?
[00:36] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: No idea read the instructions for your sound card
[00:36] <little> emma: I was hoping it wasn't a default file, since there could have been wrong with an external file.
[00:37] <Gribbler> DaSkreech says could not read.. strange as can be
[00:37] <emma> yep it's just the default. :)
[00:37] <little> emma: Have you tried using other sounds, and does the same thing happen with them?
[00:37] <emma> No I haven't.
[00:38] <little> emma: Another thing you might want to try is to open the file in Amarok and see if it plays all the way to the end.
[00:38] <KDesk> DaSkreech: Alway I disconect my ipod from amarok 1.4 I get a message saying that the post-disconect command has failed. Amarok uses the kdeeject command to to that, but I dont have such command.
[00:38] <emma> good idea.
[00:38] <emma> where does one find the default start up music?
[00:38] <little> emma: If it happens with all the sound files and they play all the way through in Amarok, then it's something in the system setup.
[00:38] <little> emma: Looking...
[00:39] <Lars_G> DaSkreech: Same problem... but there is ONE kde app that IS running. knetworkmanager... and it loads all it's windows allright
[00:39] <Lars_G> :/
[00:39] <little> emma: /usr/share/sounds
[00:39] <bluecopper_> daskreech: just had a power cut and ma ups not working
[00:39] <KDesk> I have the same problem as emma, so I have disabled the login sound :)
[00:40] <DaSkreech> Sucks
[00:40] <emma> little: cool.
[00:40] <little> KDesk: Have you tried more than one sound with the same result?
[00:40] <KDesk> maybe it has something to do with phonon
[00:40] <bluecopper_> yea
[00:40] <DaSkreech> Gribbler: Scratched?
[00:40] <emma> KDesk: it's a bug.
[00:40] <bluecopper_> wat were u saying abouot the server upgrade
[00:40] <KDesk> little: the sound file is not the problem it is well
[00:40] <DaSkreech> Lars_G: What's the console output?
[00:40] <notriddle> KDesk: Amarok 1 doesn't use Phonon.
[00:40] <tacosarecool> No drivers available
[00:40] <tacosarecool> for linux
[00:41] <Gribbler> Brand new out of the box. I have tried several audio CDs will not read them, however it will read CDs I have used to back up pictures on
[00:41] <DaSkreech> !upgrade | bluecopper_ Do the server upgrade
[00:41] <little> KDesk: You and emma might want to do a search for sound problems on Launchpad and see if others have reported this and found a solution.
[00:41] <KDesk> I know, I meen that when login the sound are played by phonon, so maybe phonon has some problems in login
[00:41] <KDesk> little: ok
[00:41] <Lars_G> Let me try with two programs DaSkreech
[00:42] <little> KDesk: I suppose you could do a search for phonon on Launchpad, too. You might strike gold. (:
[00:42] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: The hell?
[00:42] <DaSkreech> emma: How tied are you to the name firefox?
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> mm?
[00:42] <KDesk> many people have the same problem http://www.google.com.ec/search?q=kde+4+login+sound&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[00:42] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: having KDE is a bug?
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> oh, that bug report
[00:43] <Eruaran> This is getting really annoying
[00:43] <Eruaran> Apps keep opening all over the place in stupid sized windows
[00:44] <emma> DaSkreech: I'm not.
[00:44] <little> KDesk: Maybe if you look through some of those messages, there will be a solution or a work-around.
[00:44] <DaSkreech> emma: try abrowser
[00:44] <Eruaran> Do I really have to customize every single window/application I open just so it doesnt open in a retarded way ?
[00:44] <Lars_G> DaSkreech: http://rafb.net/p/R8QSb947.html
[00:44] <emma> little: -- I just played it in Amarok. It plays all the way through. Very satisfying ending.
[00:44] <emma> DaSkreech: what's that?
[00:44] <emma> !info abrowser
[00:44] <Lars_G> emma: Afaik, friefox renamed
[00:44] <DaSkreech> emma: firefox in all but name
[00:44] <emma> Okay.
[00:44] <KDesk> little: it seems that there is not a fix yet
[00:45] <little> Gribbler: It looks like you'
[00:45] <little> Gribbler: It looks like you're not alone: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/kde-4-does-not-recognize-audio-cds-662412/
[00:45] <little> KDesk: Has it been filed as an official bug?
[00:46] <Barberman_Bill> will the kubuntu 8.10 amd64bit work on my laptop with amd turion 64x2 or should i use the regular one
[00:46]  * little uses Kubuntu 8.04 LTS  <--- No KDE 4 for me, thanks. (:
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> Kubuntu 8.04 isn't an LTS release
[00:46] <DaSkreech> Lars_G: Do you have qdbus installed and running?
[00:46] <KDesk> little: official? in the kde bug tracker? I have found in launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/260270 and also mandriva users have this, and opensuse user too
[00:47] <DaSkreech> little: Works for me
[00:47] <little> KDesk: Good. Then they know about it, and now it's only a matter of timee for me. (:
[00:47] <Barberman_Bill> can any body here help me with qustion
[00:47] <Eruaran> I guess nobody cares about that then
[00:47] <Lars_G> DaSkreech: let me double check
[00:47] <Barberman_Bill> will the kubuntu 8.10 amd64bit work on my laptop with amd turion 64x2 or should i use the regular one
[00:47] <little> DaSkreech: Yeah, I just happened to see the link when I went to the page KDesk linked, and Gribbler had mentioned not being able to play audio CDs.
[00:47] <DaSkreech> eu
[00:48] <DaSkreech> Eruaran: huh? What way are they opening?
[00:48] <KDesk> When using a 64 bits distro is it faster than using a common 32bits distro?
[00:48] <Lars_G> DaSkreech: I have dbus installed and running, I do can query it with qdbus
[00:48] <Barberman_Bill> can any body here help me with qustion
[00:48] <Barberman_Bill> will the kubuntu 8.10 amd64bit work on my laptop with amd turion 64x2 or should i use the regular one
[00:48] <little> Barberman_Bill: Shoot.
[00:48] <Barberman_Bill> will the kubuntu 8.10 amd64bit work on my laptop with amd turion 64x2 or should i use the regular one
[00:49] <condon> Can anyone tell me how to get sound back in Intrepid?
[00:49] <condon> Don't know what I did, but even after restarting X, no sound
[00:49] <DaSkreech> Barberman_Bill: Yes it iwll
[00:49] <DaSkreech> will
[00:49] <emma> I have reinstall kubuntu intrepid now
[00:50] <DaSkreech> condon: try mplayer and see
[00:50] <emma> I'll see if I can compile firefox from source to avoid getting GNOME libs.
[00:50] <little> Barberman_Bill: Not sure, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. I heard a while back that there were issues with the 64-bit version (no Flash in Firefox, etc.). I'm not sure whether that's been ironed out. Also, unless you're really going to do intensive number crunching or intensive graphical work, you won't notice a difference in performance.
[00:50] <Eruaran> DaSkreech: think of Konversation for example, opening as a small box in the top left corner of the screen every time you open it... This is happening for almost every app, only they open in different places... You have to go to advanced window settings and individually change the settings...
[00:50] <DaSkreech> emma: try abrowser see if it still uses ubufox
[00:50] <emma> DaSkreech: I will. But it's too late now.
[00:50] <DaSkreech> Eruaran: what window manager ?
[00:50] <Lars_G> emma: You can avoid them, if you don't pull in suggested packages
[00:50] <little> Eruaran: Yes, but you can, and that's awesome. (:
[00:51] <Eruaran> little: I shouldn't have to
[00:51] <emma> Lars_G: is there a way to use aptitude or apt-get to not pull in suggested/recommended packages?"
[00:51] <DaSkreech> little: can awesome have to sucks
[00:51] <Eruaran> DaSkreech: Kwin
[00:51] <Barberman_Bill> ok i recive an I/O error Error reading boot CD when i try to boot have burned 4 disks same thing used differant burners
[00:51] <Lars_G> emma: I'd have to check the manuals....
[00:51] <DaSkreech> Barberman_Bill: does the md5sum check out for the ISO ?
[00:51] <condon> What do I do in mplayer?
[00:51] <ybeddyJ> is it ok to let kunbuntu and ubuntu sahre the same user home folder?
[00:51] <emma> Lars_G: I'll try to look.
[00:51] <tacosarecool> I tried
[00:51] <emma> ybeddyJ: yes certainly.
[00:52] <ybeddyJ> is it ok to let kunbuntu and ubuntu share the same user home folder?
[00:52] <ybeddyJ> ok
[00:52] <little> ybeddy: Yes.
[00:52] <tacosarecool> But couldn't find it
[00:52] <DaSkreech> condon: play something in it. Just trying to see if it's KDE sound that's dead or hte entire machine
[00:52] <Barberman_Bill> havent no number to check with downloaded from kubuntu mirror
[00:52] <emma> ybeddyJ: yes that's what is happening when you install both kubuntu and ubuntu desktops and switch at login
[00:52] <Barberman_Bill> DaSkreech,
[00:52] <DaSkreech> Barberman_Bill: What's the ISO called?
[00:52] <condon> No sound
[00:52] <condon> in mplayer
[00:52] <DaSkreech> !sound | condon
[00:52] <ybeddyJ> emma, well i tend to use different usernames so that the user folders dont clash
[00:53] <emma> ybeddyJ: okay.
[00:53] <ybeddyJ> but its not always convenient since i ssh alot
[00:53] <emma> your applications menus will still probably have gnome and kde apps in them both.
[00:53] <ybeddyJ> o
[00:53] <DaSkreech> ybeddyJ: YOu can do that as well but the effort is much more than the output other than your peace of mind
[00:53] <ybeddyJ> ok
[00:54] <Barberman_Bill> DaSkreech,    kubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[00:54] <DaSkreech> There is no harm in the same user having different desktops
[00:54] <condon> what do I do in Gnome, if anyone can tell me.  Royally screwed up my KDE, waiting till the 5th when the update comes out to reinstall.
[00:55] <DaSkreech> Barberman_Bill: 824de6bea59d41637a41f17c00d33f7d *kubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[00:55] <Barberman_Bill> maybe the md5sum is bad
[00:55] <little> condon: You might want to join the #ubuntu channel to find out about GNOME.
[00:55] <ybeddyJ> well provided that i dont get any messed up configurations then i'm going to have them share the same home...i'm tired of having to change username when i'm remoting
[00:55] <Barberman_Bill> how i check it
[00:55] <DaSkreech> condon: Umm You login then ... do ... stuff
[00:55] <DaSkreech> !md5 | Barberman_Bill
[00:56] <KDesk> Using a 64 bits distro is faster than using a common 32bits distro? Will it use the same amount of ram?
[00:56] <Barberman_Bill> thanks DaSkreech
[00:56] <Lars_G> DaSkreech: Sorry to load on you dude but if you got any ideas, I'd love it
[00:56] <condon> I meant to get sound working again in Gnome
[00:56] <DaSkreech> condon: Oh you need pulseaudio
[00:57] <DaSkreech> Lars_G: Tell me what yo uare doing now from startup so I have an idea
[00:57] <zer0o> has anuone tried ibex? how's it?
[00:57] <notriddle> serOo: Using it right now. Love it.
[00:57] <little> KDesk: You'll only notice a speed difference if you do really intensive things with your computer.
[00:57] <DaSkreech> zer0o: Really really bad
[00:57] <DaSkreech> zer0o: really really good
[00:57] <DaSkreech> zer0o: Typical release :)
[00:58] <Lars_G> DaSkreech: Well as kdm shows nothing, I'm right now killing kdm with init.d from console, and to work I run startx from root (it uses gnome)
[00:58] <Joe_Knight> can anyone help get internet up and goin?
[00:58] <Joe_Knight> new 8.10 install of kubuntu
[00:58] <DaSkreech> Lars_G: Ugh as root? why as root?
[00:58] <little> Joe_Knight: Is it behind a router?
[00:59] <Joe_Knight> yup
[00:59] <little> Joe_Knight: Did you disable DHCP?
[00:59] <zer0o> DaSkreech: thank u very helpful
[00:59] <Joe_Knight> i ran sudo dhclient and still nothing
[00:59] <ybeddyJ> anyone found a way to speedup compiz and firefox scrolling on the ati 9000mobility?
[00:59] <little> Joe_Knight: If so, then enable it and it will work. (:
[00:59] <zer0o> ...anybody else?
[00:59] <Joe_Knight> how do i enable it?
[00:59] <DaSkreech> zer0o: really depends on how you feel about a lot of things and your hardware
[01:00] <DaSkreech> SO far I've found Unichrome and Sound blasers to really make your experience suck
[01:00] <little> Joe_Knight: If it's a common router, open a browser and type 192.168.1.1
[01:00] <zer0o> DaSkreech: how do i feel about my hardware? well, i don't think it'll get angry if i say i feel nothing for it... it should have expected it
[01:00] <DaSkreech> If you don't like KDE4 currently then please stay away for a little while
[01:00]  * little stays away for a little while. (:
[01:00] <DaSkreech> little: thanks
[01:00] <Joe_Knight> oh i just looked dhcp is enabled
[01:01] <notriddle> zer0o: Some people have had trouble, others have had basically none, expect that with any new release ;).
[01:01] <little> DaSkreech: I'm actually planning on switching to GNOME when the LTS version expires.
[01:02] <notriddle> zer0o: Oh, and he meant that it depends on your hardware and on what you think of a lot of things.
[01:02] <DaSkreech> little: See now that makes no sense :)
[01:02] <ybeddyJ> i dont think i like the look and feel of knetwork manager in this kubuntu rmuch prefer the way it behaves in the ubuntu ibex
[01:02]  * little winks at DaSkreech
[01:02] <zer0o> notriddle: no way!
[01:03] <DaSkreech> little: I'd go as far as to say that's downright stupid
[01:04] <little> DaSkreech: I don't like the way the new Desktop is handled. My Desktop is my current workspace and I don't want to change that. I also hate that new menu. I'm an old dog and don't want to learn new tricks. (:
[01:04] <Eruaran> I like the new menu
[01:04] <bluecopper_> well i just realize that there was some human error on my part
[01:04] <Eruaran> I don't like that my systray icons wont paint properly
[01:04] <notriddle> little: Right click on the menu and choose "Switch to Classic Menu Style".
[01:05] <bluecopper_> the cd i download thru torrent was actually the live cd and not the alternate
[01:05] <Eruaran> I don't like that I have to use advanced window settings to individually change stuff
[01:05] <Lars_G> DaSkreech: Give me a short while, I tried starting a plain Xorg instance, ran xterm in it, and from it startkde.. the ammount of errors is staggering, but in general LOTS of dbus errors similar to the konsole one I pastebined you
[01:05] <bluecopper_> am downloading the correct one now
[01:05] <Lars_G> DaSkreech: I'll rerun it and try to capture all errors to a file
[01:05] <Boingo> Hello everyone.  In the latest Kubuntu 8.10... When I set the pager to 4x2 desktops and open any new windows, kwin crashes.  The pager sets to 1x1 and all my open windows show up on that one window.  I seem to be able to do it consistently.
[01:06] <Boingo> Any thoughts?
[01:06] <Eruaran> I don't like that I can't right-click on the clock to change from 24h time to 12AM/PM time
[01:06] <Lars_G> DaSkreech: Btw in the (horribly slow) proces, the WM does start, as it takes over decorations for my running xterm
[01:06] <little> notriddle: Nice! I didn't know they'd done that. Maybe I'll grab Intrepid and run it in VirtualBox to see what they've changed. The only time I tried it was when it first came out, and I was pretty horrified.
[01:06] <tacosarecool> I have problems with sound
[01:06] <DaSkreech> little: You have the old menu right now and the Desktop exactly as you have it now will be there in jan
[01:06] <notriddle> little: Makes sense.
[01:07] <notriddle> tacosarecool: What problems, exactly.
[01:07] <hazzy> Boingo: Sorry, no guesses
[01:07] <tacosarecool> I can't hear anything in this os
[01:07] <little> DaSkreech: Glad to hear it! I'll give it another chance. (:
[01:07] <tacosarecool> kubuntu
[01:07] <little> Well, it's dinner time. Have fun, all!
[01:07] <tacosarecool> KDE4
[01:07] <tacosarecool> of course
[01:07] <DaSkreech> Boingo: so 8 desktops = crash 1 desktop = no crash ?
[01:08] <Boingo> DaSkreech: yes
[01:08] <notriddle> tacosarecool: Okay. First things first, check System Settings->Sound. How is the order of cards set?
[01:08] <tacosarecool> Sound blaster live is the main card for most things
[01:08] <tacosarecool> Except communication that's for mic
[01:08] <DaSkreech> linuxwizard:
[01:09] <notriddle> tacosarecool: What else is in there.
[01:10] <tacosarecool> accessibility and communication are mic
[01:10] <tacosarecool> Everything else has the sound card set
[01:10] <notriddle> tacosarecool: No. I mean what else is in the set below the Soundblaster.
[01:10] <tacosarecool> Side speakers
[01:10] <tacosarecool> I have headphones
[01:10] <Boingo> DaSkreech: Actually, > 1 desktop =crash
[01:10] <tacosarecool> Oh maybe I can try that
[01:11] <notriddle> Okay. First Soundblaster, then Side Speakers, then Headphones?
[01:11] <tacosarecool> No headphone mode
[01:11] <brandon_> Can anyone tell me how to change my display settings from a term. in Kubuntu 8.10 _64?
[01:11] <tacosarecool> Because these are analog headphones
[01:11] <Joe_Knight> ok internet was workin for a second now nothing
[01:11] <Joe_Knight> how do i get it goin again
[01:12] <tacosarecool> Go to green icon
[01:12] <tacosarecool> On system tray
[01:12] <tacosarecool> Right click activate connection?
[01:12] <DaSkreech> Boingo:
[01:12] <DaSkreech> Do you have compositing on?
[01:13] <DaSkreech> brandon_: What settings ?
[01:13] <Boingo> where do i check?
[01:13] <DaSkreech> Umm
[01:13] <notriddle> tacosarecool: Okay. Try setting the side speakers to top. If that doesn't work, check the sound mixer (speaker icon in the system tray).
[01:13] <DaSkreech> >_>
[01:13] <DaSkreech> Boingo: press Ctrl+F9
[01:13] <Joe_Knight> anyone know how to get my connection again
[01:13] <Boingo> DaSkreech: Nothing
[01:14] <DaSkreech> Probably don't have it on then
[01:14] <tacosarecool> Nope
[01:14] <ybeddyJ>  language setting not setup correctly after initial install of kub ibex
[01:14] <notriddle> Okay. In the Mixer, what is listed?
[01:14] <brandon_> DaSkreech all display settings.
[01:14] <DaSkreech> Boingo: Switching desktops is fine. Opening a new app crashes?
[01:14] <DaSkreech> !Xfix
[01:14] <Boingo> yes.
[01:14] <DaSkreech> !x
[01:14] <Boingo> new window.
[01:15] <DaSkreech> brandon_: ^^
[01:15] <Boingo> even a copy dialog
[01:15] <DaSkreech> Boingo: do you have any other window managers installed?
[01:15] <tacosarecool> notriddle not working still
[01:15] <notriddle> tacosarecool: What is listed in the mixer?
[01:15] <brandon_> When I activate the proper nvidia driver and reboot I just get a black screen
[01:15] <brandon_> I guess I just need to change the res.
[01:16] <tacosarecool> Ca106 is the only thing that matter
[01:16] <tacosarecool> s
[01:16] <tacosarecool> There's abunch of stuff in the ca106
[01:16] <tacosarecool> And analog front matters
[01:16] <tacosarecool> But I have that up
[01:16] <Boingo> DaSkreech: Gnome was installed ages ago.  This is a kubuntu upgrade, from an upgrade, from an upgrade, from ubuntu
[01:16] <brandon_> Thanks
[01:16] <DaSkreech> Boingo: Ok can you run metacity --replace in a terminal
[01:16] <notriddle> tacosarecool: Just list them.
[01:17] <Joe_Knight> no help networkin huh
[01:18] <tacosarecool> notriddle
[01:18] <Boingo> DaSkreech: That doesnt crash.
[01:18] <tacosarecool> Can I just send you a picture?
[01:18] <Boingo> 8 desktops,
[01:18] <tacosarecool> I'll post on my site
[01:18] <DaSkreech> Boingo: Ok you need to change out your kwin settings.
[01:18] <tinin> hey, how am I supposed to use kgrubeditor?
[01:18] <Boingo> K.  Which ones?
[01:18] <notriddle> tacosarecool: Okay.
[01:18] <DaSkreech> tinin: With great care!!!
[01:18] <tinin> I am not able to find it or run it
[01:19] <DaSkreech> tinin:
[01:19] <tinin> it is installed
[01:19] <JontheEchidna> tinin: it's in systemsettings
[01:19] <DaSkreech> it's in system settings
[01:19] <ardchoille> DaSkreech: hehe
[01:19] <tacosarecool> Actually I'll put on mediaffire
[01:19] <tinin> mmm
[01:19] <tinin> no
[01:19] <tinin> ok
[01:19] <tacosarecool> I wanna do this quick
[01:19] <hazzy> Joe_Knight: What kind of network card do you have?
[01:19] <tinin> I'll try with kde 4.1, right now I'm using kde neon
[01:20] <notriddle> tacosarecool: Okay.
[01:21] <DaSkreech> Boingo: in ~/.kde/share/config anything that says kwin back up then remove
[01:21] <tacosarecool> Oh how I take a snapshot
[01:21] <tacosarecool> In windows it ctrl alt printscreen
[01:21] <tacosarecool> I know
[01:22] <Boingo> DaSkreech: I have .kde amd .kde4
[01:22] <notriddle> tacosarecool: Try KSnapShot.
[01:22] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: run ksnapshot
[01:22] <DaSkreech> It's supposed to be bound to print screen it's a bug should be solved soon
[01:22] <DaSkreech> Boingo:
[01:22] <DaSkreech> 8.10 ?
[01:22] <Boingo> yes
[01:22] <ardchoille> looks like upgrade rather than fresh install
[01:22] <DaSkreech> .kde
[01:23] <DaSkreech> ardchoille: I have both and I did a fresh install
[01:23] <ardchoille> oh?
[01:23] <ardchoille> my bad
[01:23] <tacosarecool> notriddle
[01:23] <tacosarecool> Is there a way for you to remote connect
[01:23] <PleXuS> hi all, anyone known a tool like on windows bginfo for kde desktop background?
[01:23] <notriddle> tacosarecool: Yep.
[01:23] <tacosarecool> To look
[01:23] <DaSkreech> ardchoille: ~ partitions rock :)
[01:23] <tacosarecool> I trust you to look
[01:23] <DaSkreech> PleXuS: What?
[01:24] <notriddle> tacosarecool: It'd be stupid, though, for you to trust me like that...
[01:24] <ardchoille> DaSkreech: :)
[01:24] <Boingo> DaSkreech: backed up and deleted
[01:24] <Guest66036> hello anyone know how to open skype once I downloaded it? I don't know what to open it with. It is a debian file
[01:24] <DaSkreech> Boingo: restart KDE
[01:24] <tacosarecool> It's fine
[01:24] <tacosarecool> Oh ok
[01:24] <tacosarecool> I'll get ksnapshot
[01:24] <DaSkreech> Guest66036: Sudo dpkg -i skype*deb
[01:24] <Guest66036> thank you
[01:24] <notriddle> KMenu->Graphics->KSnapShot
[01:24] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: Should be installed already
[01:24] <faileas> Guest66036: double clicking should do the trick. if that fails you can run it using sudo dpkg -i /path/to/skype.deb
[01:24] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: alt+F2 -> ksnapshot
[01:25] <PleXuS> DaSkreech, something that regenerates the background but with network specs details on
[01:25] <DaSkreech> PleXuS: Umm why don't you just get a plasmoid to do that?
[01:25] <PleXuS> DaSkreech, like IP, dns server, etc...
[01:25] <DaSkreech> There are a decent set that do that already
[01:25] <DaSkreech>  Linux is a server admin's playground :)
[01:25] <PleXuS> whats plasmoid?
[01:26] <DaSkreech> PleXuS: are you on KDE3 ?
[01:26] <Eruaran> PleXuS: its a widget... kind of
[01:26] <hazzy> I think plasmoid is responsible for widgets
[01:26] <notriddle> PleXuS: The internal name for a desktop widget in KDE.
[01:26] <ek> DaSkreech: Or a serious headache depending on previous experience... :)
[01:26] <hazzy> Heh
[01:26] <tacosarecool> notriddle
[01:26] <tacosarecool> Can I just send it to you through im
[01:26] <PleXuS> not such widget stuff?
[01:26] <PleXuS> don't like heavy stuff :)
[01:26] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: tinypic.com
[01:26] <notriddle> tacosarecool: You could.
[01:26] <Tokerz> hey room
[01:27] <DaSkreech> !hi
[01:27] <notriddle> tacosarecool: Though I'm not sure about giving you my IM address.
[01:27] <notriddle> tacosarecool: Just upload it to a sign-up server and post a URL is the usual way on IRC.
[01:27] <Tokerz> anyone who wants to chat on yahoo IM me at SmokeyTokez@Ymail.com
[01:27] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: tinypic.com
[01:27] <DaSkreech> Tokerz: Do you have a question ?
[01:28] <Guest66036> where are the program files kept in Kubuntu?
[01:28] <tacosarecool> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=deycjq&s=4
[01:28] <DaSkreech> Guest66036: on the file system what are yo ulooking for?
[01:28] <Tokerz> I do yes, i need to fix my screen resolution in KUbuntu
[01:28] <ek> Guest66036: The standard directory is /usr/bin and /usr/sbin.
[01:28] <DaSkreech> !resolution
[01:28] <Tokerz> it should be higher but I'm stuck on 800x600, and when i install my hardware driver it just makes it even worse and the 800x600 option goes away, things need to be smaller
[01:29] <Guest66036> I downloaded skype using firefox and it is in firefox downloads so I am trying to find it
[01:29] <Tokerz> will this work in ubuntu 8.10 too?
[01:29] <hazzy> Usually, Firefox downloads to desktop
[01:29] <faileas> oh downloads on firefox are usually to desktop
[01:29] <notriddle> tacosarecool: getting.
[01:30] <ek> Guest66036: Oh. That's different. In Firefox, press CTRL+Y to open your download window.
[01:30] <ek> Click on the download and it will tell you where it downloaded to on the local disk.
[01:30] <PleXuS> DaSkreech, i just installed kde4.1 seems to run ok now :)
[01:30] <notriddle> tacosarecool: Lots of theme are bottom. Try raising a few.
[01:31] <Guest66036> It asks me to choose a application to open I don't know what to give it
[01:31] <Tokerz> that walk through on the x-window system is for Ubuntu, i need it for KUbuntu
[01:31] <ek> Guest66036: Don't open it with an application. Click on the "Save as" and choose where to save it.
[01:32] <notriddle> Tokerz: Kubuntu uses X, too.
[01:32] <tacosarecool> nope
[01:32] <Guest66036> It does not allow me to save as I don't see that option
[01:32] <ek> Guest66036: What file are you trying to download?
[01:33] <ek> Guest66036: Also, what version of Firefox are you using?
[01:33] <Eruaran> krunner still broken for me
[01:33] <Tokerz> yes but it gives Ubuntu commands such as gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and KUbuntu does not have Gedit, does it?
[01:33] <Boingo> DaSkreech: Seems better.  Thanks
[01:34] <hazzy> Tokerz: Kubuntu uses Kate
[01:34] <Tokerz> ok so do i just replace gedit with Kate?
[01:34] <hazzy> Yes
[01:34] <Tokerz> thx
[01:34] <Guest66036> well I downloaded off of a skype website the linux version for ubuntu of skype.  I have version 3.0.3 Frefox
[01:34] <condon> OK, still no sound (when I run ALSA Mixer, it says Card: PulseAudio and Chip: PulseAudio, volume levels are maxed and no sound... anyone know what I can do to get sound in Gnome on 8.10
[01:34] <condon> ?
[01:35] <anon> does anyone know what name is after Intrepid Ibex?
[01:35] <ek> Guest66036: Why not just type "sudo apt-get install skype" in a terminal?
[01:35] <condon> something Jacalope
[01:35] <condon> or jackalope
[01:35] <Guest66036> I tried that it did nothing
[01:35] <anon> that sounds pretty cool
[01:35] <patrickd_> Jaunty Jackalope
[01:35] <anon> :D
[01:36] <condon> Yeah, that's the one
[01:36] <ek> Ah. Skype's gone from the repo(s).
[01:36] <Guest66036> it says it couldn't find the package
[01:36] <condon> Anyone know why I might not have sound in Gnome?
[01:36] <NamShub> condon: if you find out, plz tell me ;)
[01:36] <hazzy> condon: What kind of sound card do you have?
[01:36] <ek> Guest66036: From this page? http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/choose/
[01:37] <condon> ahh...hold on a sec...it's onboard invida
[01:37] <anon> this place seems pretty nice...lots of helping
[01:38] <ek> anon: Which place?
[01:38] <Guest66036> ek: thats exactly what I did already
[01:38] <Joe_Knight> any help here adept cannot find ndiswrapper then crashes
[01:38] <Tokerz> ok I saved my changes to xorg.config, how do i make changes take effect?
[01:39] <ek> Guest66036: So, when you clicked on the Ubuntu 7.04+ link (Which is what I'm assuming you clicked on), Firefox will prompt you for where to save the file.
[01:39] <condon> HDA Nvidia (AD198x Analog)
[01:39] <david__> yes and I saved it to desktop
[01:40] <PleXuS> is there a way to display desktop like old way in kde4 ?
[01:40] <Tokerz> ok restarting brb room
[01:40] <ek> david__: Okay. So, go to your desktop and double-click the file.
[01:40] <Joe_Knight> and apt-get cant find the package
[01:41] <DaSkreech> !jaunty
[01:41] <hazzy> condon: Ah, I was thinking OSS would be an option
[01:41] <isaacj87> Hey all, what file-system backend does Kubunt 8.10 use?
[01:41] <DaSkreech> david__: It's on your desktop
[01:41] <Pici> isaacj87: ext3 by default
[01:41] <condon> Guessing not, Hazzy?
[01:41] <tacosarecool> notrillo
[01:41] <ek> Joe_Knight: Try "sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-common".
[01:41] <david__> ek: yes I just did this now it says wrong architeture
[01:41] <qw_> how do i get beryl in ubuntu
[01:41] <Joe_Knight> k
[01:41] <isaacj87> Pici: Ah, I see...and Gnome?
[01:41] <ek> david__: What architecture are you using?
[01:42] <Pici> isaacj87: Same.
[01:42] <Joe_Knight> nope cant find that either
[01:42] <hazzy> condon: It's possible, but I'm not sure how you'd configure it
[01:42] <david__> I have a amd 64
[01:42] <DaSkreech> david__: 64 bit install?
[01:42] <david__> I downloaded i386
[01:42] <isaacj87> Pici: Maybe I worded it incorrectly. Doesn't Nautilus use GVFS or something like that? I'm trying to understand what that is
[01:42] <DaSkreech> Then it should work
[01:43] <ek> Hrm.
[01:43] <ek> I don't see how the arch would be wrong then.
[01:43] <Pici> isaacj87: It uses gvfs for userspace mounting of filesystems, so that root access is not required.
[01:44] <david__> I don't get it
[01:44] <hazzy> condon: I have a web page with instructions on it, but I don't know whether it would work for your sound card
[01:44] <tacosarecool> notrillo!
[01:44] <DaSkreech> isaacj87: what are you trying to figure out
[01:44] <DaSkreech> david__: what'sthe name of the file you downloaded ?
[01:44] <condon> Anyone know where I can get PulseAudio?
[01:44] <isaacj87> DaSkreech, Pici I'm just trying wrap my head around filesystems :)
[01:44] <ek> DaSkreech: It appears they only offer i386 pre-compiled binaries/.debs...
[01:45] <DaSkreech> isaacj87: Right where have you reached?
[01:45] <david__> skype-debian_2.0.0.72-1_i386.deb
[01:45] <hazzy> !pulseaudio
[01:45] <Lars_G> DaSkreech: I have a full log of a startkde here: http://show.degopro.com/kde-errors.log
[01:45] <DaSkreech> ek: Right Ijust want to make sure it's a deb etc
[01:45] <tacosarecool> Notrillo?
[01:45] <Joe_Knight> ok apt-get cant find anything ndiswrapper
[01:45] <Lars_G> DaSkreech: If you feel you can give me a hand with this.
[01:45] <ek> david__: You downloaded the i386 Kubuntu install as well?
[01:45] <ek> Or the AMD64?
[01:46] <david__> I have amd64
[01:46] <ek> Joe_Knight: Which version of Kubuntu?
[01:46] <ek> david__: AMD64 version of Kubuntu?
[01:46] <Joe_Knight> or from adept how do  update the repositories this is a fresh install of ibex
[01:46] <david__> yes
[01:46] <ek> david__: Ah. That is why it won't work.
[01:46] <ek> david__: Hold on a tick.
[01:46] <isaacj87> DaSkreech: Well, I understand ext3, I just want to know how GVFS factors is and is there any fundamental differences between how KDE and GNOME handle filesystems (if that makes sense). Basically, does Dolphin work the same way "under the hood" as Nautilus?
[01:46] <david__> Is it better to have a i386 version?
[01:47] <isaacj87> in*
[01:47] <ek> david__: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=77069
[01:47] <ek> david__: If your arch is amd64, by all means use it.
[01:47] <condon> never felt dumber in my life...opened audio preferences from the speaker icon for master volume, under playback master was up, but PCM was muted.
[01:47] <condon> Sounds great now.
[01:48] <DaSkreech> david__: what does uname -m say ?
[01:48] <hazzy> condon: Glad to hear it :).
[01:48] <DaSkreech> isaacj87: Similar. KDE has what is called KIO Gnome uses GVFS same concept
[01:49] <Joe_Knight> nobody?
[01:49] <DaSkreech> isaacj87: Neither of them are "real" file systems
[01:49] <ek> Joe_Knight: Try a "sudo apt-cache search ndiswrapper". Does that return anything related to NDISWrapper?
[01:49] <ek> Joe_Knight: It should find something.
[01:49] <DaSkreech> Joe_Knight: sudo apt-get update
[01:49] <DaSkreech> or click refresh in adept
[01:49] <isaacj87> DaSkreech: Virtual filesystem is correct right? I think I'm understanding now. KIO is what I was looking  for. Thanks for the info!
[01:50] <david__> DaSkreech: I don't know what you mean
[01:50] <isaacj87> You as well Pici :)
[01:50] <DaSkreech> david__: listen to ek. Seems to have more info than I
[01:50] <ek> david__: Open a terminal and type "uname -a" followed by ENTER.
[01:50] <ek> What does the output say?
[01:50] <ek> david__: Sorry. "uname -m".
[01:51] <DaSkreech> isaacj87: It makes things that aren't really local filesystems look as such
[01:51] <brandon_> DaSkreech I tried everything said on that webpage, but to no avail. I am kinda new to this but I figured out the same issue in Opensuse 11.0. do you have any simple commands that will get me to the display settings?
[01:51] <david__> yes it says x86_64
[01:52] <DaSkreech> brandon_: Umm You could reboot and choose recovery console from Grub There is an option there to fix X
[01:52] <tacosarecool> notrillo?
[01:52] <tacosarecool> triddle
[01:52] <Joe_Knight> ok adept cant find it but apt-get is installing ndisgtk
[01:53] <brandon_> Ok will try that. Thanks
[01:53] <PleXuS> DaSkreech, how can i get my desktop icons back on kde4.1 ?
[01:53] <isaacj87> PleXuS: KDE 4.1 doesn't have that capability yet.
[01:53] <Joe_Knight> how do i configure netgear wireless card ?
[01:53] <ek> david__: Okay. Did you see the URL I pasted above?
[01:53] <DaSkreech> PleXuS: add a folderview plasmoid and it should point to your ~/Desktop
[01:53] <david__> yes I downloaded it
[01:54] <ek> david__: It wasn't a downloadable file. It was a thread on the Ubuntu Linux forums.
[01:54] <ek> It explains how to install Skype's i386 binary on Ubuntu x86_64.
[01:54] <isaacj87> PleXuS: You can however use the folderview widget to achieve the same effect
[01:54] <isaacj87> PleXuS: In KDE 4.2 you'll be able to put icons on the desktop where ever you want
[01:54] <PleXuS> isaacj87, i did read something about that
[01:54] <PleXuS> isaacj87, but it seems i am missing it :s
[01:54] <PleXuS> isaacj87, wohoow nice :D
[01:55] <emma> Any of you have any ideas or opinions on installing kubuntu with an encrypted drive?
[01:55] <david__> ek are you sure I have it on my desktop
[01:55] <tacosarecool> where'd notriddle go?
[01:55] <NamShub> how can I change the default ALSA sound card?
[01:55] <emma> I am looking in the alternate CD and I see an option called 'physical volume for encryption' but it does not quite make sense since that does not let me mount it to anything and it does not let me specify a file system beyond that.
[01:55] <NamShub> I do not get any sound in non-kde apps; is it possible it tries to use my emu1616 instead of my nvidia card? (and how would I know?)
[01:56] <david__> skype static tar file
[01:56] <dig> PleXus: for me, I just drag some folders to the desktop in KDE 4.1 for now
[01:56] <Joe_Knight> now ho w do i run ndisgtk?
[01:57] <ek> david__: You said you clicked it an it said wrong architecture.
[01:57] <DaSkreech> emma: Ideas? no
[01:57] <PleXuS> DaSkreech, how can i add it, and where to find. because its not in my list
[01:57] <ek> Joe_Knight: Might be in your KDE Menu.
[01:57] <PleXuS> dig, you me to, but when i save files onto desktop i can't see them :)
[01:57] <emma> Well how does a person do that?
[01:57] <tacosarecool> Plexus
[01:57] <tacosarecool> Go to k
[01:57] <emma> Ubuntu gnome edition 8.10 put a private directory in the home folder. Might Kubuntu do that?
[01:57] <tacosarecool> menu
[01:57] <DaSkreech> PleXuS: There is a package for plasmoids in Kubuntu install that
[01:57] <david__> ek no the link that was posted was to a forum that had amd skype
[01:57] <tacosarecool> Home
[01:58] <tacosarecool> Drag desktop
[01:58] <tacosarecool> To desktop?
[01:58] <SmokeyTokez> hey I did that thing with the X-Window thing, and my screen resolution is worse than b4
[01:58] <tacosarecool> Well you know the wall paper
[01:58] <tacosarecool> Folder view
[01:58] <PleXuS> DaSkreech, aah ok.. that package isn't installed maybe :)
[01:58] <DaSkreech> emma: There is an option fora encrypted drive and one for an encrypted home directory
[01:58] <tacosarecool> Right click it and just have it display desktop
[01:58] <DaSkreech> You are looking for the encrypted home directory
[01:58] <tacosarecool> Instead of home/desktop
[01:58] <dig> PleXus, because the screen you see is widget system, not actual desktop.
[01:58] <emma> DaSkreech: in the install disk? I didn't see that.
[01:58] <emma> I'll check again.
[01:59] <emma> DaSkreech: where did you see that option?
[01:59] <DaSkreech> emma: alternate ?
[01:59] <emma> I have that CD I'll check again.
[01:59] <david__> ek: I give up for now
[01:59] <isaacj87> PleXuS: If you don't have the plasmoids installed, just go search for it in Adept and install it
[01:59] <SmokeyTokez> it went lower than 800x600, and i don't know how i can get it back
[01:59] <SmokeyTokez> I can't see the bottom of things to save changes and stuff
[01:59] <SmokeyTokez> i have to move the task bar out of the way
[02:00] <ek> david__: Okay. Well, feel free to come back and visit if/when you want to continue.
[02:00] <david__> it seems too confusing I know it's only skype I am tired
[02:00]  * DaSkreech hugs david__
[02:00] <david__> you guys are the best thanks for your kind assistance
[02:00] <Flakeparadigm> Hello
[02:00] <favro> SmokeyTokez: alt+left mouse drag will move a window
[02:01] <tacosarecool> favro
[02:01] <ed__> how can I figure out why X will not start in 8.10 ?
[02:01] <tacosarecool> I have a problem with sound
[02:01] <favro> :)
[02:01] <tacosarecool> I know it's a compat issue
[02:01] <david__> this kind of dedication would never come from windows users
[02:01] <favro> !resolution | SmokeyTokez
[02:01] <ed__> kde starts its splash screen shows the disk icon than stops and drops back to the console
[02:02] <tacosarecool> Lol because it's easier to fix windows program but more rewarding to run linux
[02:02] <NamShub> wow so the sound *was* working on my EMU card
[02:02] <dig> ed__: are you running the latest kernel?
[02:02] <tacosarecool> Plus amarok is another reason
[02:02] <NamShub> listening to podcast on high quality monitor is PAINFUL (you hear all the noise they make in the bg... lol)
[02:02] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: You realize we are trying to fix a windows program :)
[02:02] <ek> david__: Hah! There's actually a Windows channel on this network somewhere.
[02:02] <jimmy51_home> what's a good PDF reader for kubuntu?
[02:03] <DaSkreech> david__: Community is important :)
[02:03] <david__> one has to be wide awake to work on linux.
[02:03] <ek> Honestly, they do try to be as helpful as possible.
[02:03] <DaSkreech> jimmy51_home: okular
[02:03] <edt> I am installing in a kvm, ubuntu worked fine but I _really_ like kde more than gnome so I am now tring kubuntu.
[02:03] <ek> But, you're right. The *NIX community around here is awfully patient and willing.
[02:03] <DaSkreech> edt: ok
[02:03] <DaSkreech> Welcome!! :)
[02:03] <jimmy51_home> DaSkreech: ok, i think i have that but when i click pdf's in firefox, it gives me an app assoc error
[02:03] <tacosarecool> favro what do I do to fix sound
[02:03] <tacosarecool> My headphones are plugged in front
[02:04] <david__> I have learned alot with linux
[02:04] <DaSkreech> jimmy51_home: Firefox is silly :)
[02:04] <edt> searching google brings up someone with the same problem with no resoultion.
[02:04] <favro> tacosarecool: if it is a compatability issue I wouldn't know
[02:04] <DaSkreech> jimmy51_home: Try downloading it and open it to check
[02:04] <DaSkreech> david__: Hope you learn a lot more and the journey is entertaining
[02:04] <jimmy51_home> ok, it opened like that
[02:05] <jimmy51_home> must be FF's fault
[02:05] <jimmy51_home> thanks!
[02:05] <DaSkreech> jimmy51_home: yeah probably
[02:05] <isaacj87> Hey guys, does Kubuntu 8.10 use the PulseAudio sound server?
[02:05] <david__> Just a quick question when I open say a program like firefox, the window is jumbled for a second then it looks fine do you hav any idea why that happens?
[02:05] <Smokey> man i wanna know too david
[02:05] <Smokey> lol
[02:06] <Dragnslcr> Probably video drivers
[02:06] <Dragnslcr> What kind of video card do you have?
[02:06] <favro> or cpu usage
[02:06] <PleXuS> isaacj87, ok i find it :) it was painfull to find because it was in dutch :) lol
[02:06] <dig> !windows
[02:06] <david__> nvidia
[02:06] <Smokey> I'm using Nvidia GEforce 4, and its always been fine with previous versions of Ubuntu, and KUbuntu, and its fine with the Ubuntu 8.10
[02:07] <Dragnslcr> david__- same here
[02:07] <DaSkreech> With compositing on it will blit the image twice per buffer so it takes a bit for you to see something proper
[02:07] <edt> how can I figure out why X will not start in 8.10 ? kde starts its splash screen shows the disk icon than stops and drops back to the console.  This is a clean install (I did use the drop the network connection at 82% trick) done in a kvm-75 under a 2.6.27-4 kernel on gentoo
[02:07] <DaSkreech> edt: run startx
[02:08] <edt> logs are not giving me much to go one - this is with startx
[02:08] <dig> edt: what does uname -a gives you
[02:08] <david__> I have the Geforce 7300 GT it always worked fine in other version of Kubuntu
[02:08] <david__> it's no big deal just makes me cring
[02:09] <david__> for a second
[02:09] <david__> :-)
[02:09] <DaSkreech> david__: it gives ou goodness like Ctrl+F9
[02:09] <DaSkreech> They will probably make it smoother in the future
[02:10] <edt> uname -a -> Linux ed-desktop 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Fri Oct 24 06:40:41 UTC 2008 x86_64 GUN/Linux
[02:10] <david__> I think so they will work out the bugs I am sure
[02:10] <Joe_Knight> anyone know where to download the netgear driver
[02:12] <DaSkreech> uten: Wheeee
[02:12] <david__> wow what happened?
[02:12] <favro> !netsplit
[02:12] <DaSkreech> !netsplit
[02:13] <rgreening> yeah.. how annoying
[02:13] <david__> we all went for a ride
[02:13] <DaSkreech> favro: GET OUT OF MY HEAD
[02:13] <DaSkreech> :-D
[02:13] <favro> hehe
[02:13] <rgreening> 2min+ here
[02:13] <dig> net split....
[02:13] <unity`net> hey..
[02:13] <isaacj87> oh jeez
[02:13] <unity`net> i need some helpp
[02:13] <edt> geez the ca.archive.ubuntu.com server is s l  o   w...
[02:14] <DaSkreech> david__: Wait till they reshuffle servers all day it's like a roller coaster
[02:14] <Joe_Knight> anyone know where to find the netgear drivers
[02:14] <DaSkreech> !help
[02:14] <unity`net> !nfs
[02:14] <DaSkreech> Joe_Knight: What do you need them for?
[02:14] <unity`net> love the bot..
[02:14] <unity`net> ty
[02:14] <Joe_Knight> wg511v2
[02:14] <faileas> edt: i tend to use adept to set the fastest server ;p
[02:14] <DaSkreech> Joe_Knight: Wireless router?
[02:14] <DaSkreech> you don't need it for that
[02:15] <david__> take care guys!
[02:15] <tacosarecool> Ah!
[02:15] <DaSkreech> david__: You too nice to meet you
[02:15] <Joe_Knight> wireless card
[02:15] <DaSkreech> ah
[02:15] <edt> faileas its not a xserver problem - kde is dieing when starting its services.  I get the disk icon but no others
[02:15] <mot_> question...i have an audigy NX USB soundcard. if i do 'speaker-test -c6 -Dplug:surround51' it will play sound out of all of my speaker (5.1 surround) however i don't see channels for rear left/right or center surround sound in alsamixer or kmix, i have a little script that i put in ~/.asoundrc to simulate 5.1 in alsa apps but for some reason those channels aren't listed in alsamixer....any suggestions?
[02:15] <coreymon77> holy netsplits batman!
[02:15] <Joe_Knight> i cant find anything with kubuntu
[02:15] <DaSkreech> !wifi
[02:15] <DaSkreech> Joe_Knight: ^^^^
[02:15] <Joe_Knight> i think i might better switch to ubuntu
[02:15] <unity`net> gah
[02:16] <Joe_Knight> lol
[02:16] <unity`net> trying to set uup nfs via ssh
[02:16] <edt> faileas under kvm none are going to be all that fast
[02:16] <DaSkreech> Joe_Knight: Same drivers woudln't make a difference
[02:16] <coreymon77> *sigh*
[02:16] <coreymon77> Joe_Knight: what card?
[02:16] <Joe_Knight> yeah but i know how to use ubuntu better
[02:16] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: netgear wg511v2
[02:17] <Joe_Knight> i really thought kub looked nicer and wanted to try but this stuff is getting annoying
[02:17] <edt> ubuntu 8.10 worked here, kubuntu is failing when starting kde/X
[02:17] <Joe_Knight> apt-get finds and installs and adept cant even find it
[02:17] <DaSkreech> Joe_Knight: ah bug in adept you need to rebuild the xapian database
[02:18] <Joe_Knight> how do i do that?
[02:18] <coreymon77> Joe_Knight: i hate to say it, but that card requires ndiswrapper
[02:18] <Joe_Knight> i got ndisgtk from apt-get but cant find where it is
[02:18] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: i hate using ndis when it is not needed, but its eeded
[02:18] <Joe_Knight> all i need is the driver im pretty determined
[02:18] <Joe_Knight> lol
[02:19] <coreymon77> what the heck is ndisgtk, heck with that
[02:19] <coreymon77> just follow the howto on the wifidocs site
[02:19] <coreymon77> !wifi
[02:19] <edt> ndis is gtk the stuff it loads and runs is not
[02:20] <coreymon77> edt: ndis is neither
[02:20] <coreymon77> edt: ndis is a utility that allows the usage of windows wifi drivers
[02:21] <unity`net> soo
[02:21] <ek> Joe_Knight: Did ndisgtk install ndiswrapper-common as well?
[02:21] <unity`net> can anyone help me set up nfs on a remote pc?
[02:21] <ek> And most likely ndiswrapper-utils?
[02:21] <coreymon77> what he needs is -utils
[02:22] <edt> coreymon77 the code for ndis is gpl, but it loads windows drivers that are usually (with about 2 exceptions) non gpl.
[02:22] <Joe_Knight> brb
[02:22] <tacosarecool> Hey
[02:23] <tacosarecool> I have a problem with my sound card compat issue
[02:23] <coreymon77> edt: you said gtk, not gpl
[02:23] <ralpho_> what do you call a nigger with a Harvard education? nigger. no mr president.
[02:23] <coreymon77> ralpho_: that was inappropriate
[02:23] <Joe_Knight> ok back
[02:24] <favro> !ot | ralpho_
[02:24] <edt> coreymon77 sorry.  typo
[02:24] <DaSkreech> unity`net: Follow the instructions on the web page?
[02:24] <tacosarecool> help?
[02:25] <daedalus__> hello
[02:25] <DaSkreech> !halp
[02:25] <DaSkreech> :-D
[02:25] <coreymon77> lol
[02:25] <coreymon77> !botsnack
[02:26] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: which sound card?
[02:26] <tacosarecool> Sound blaster live 24 bit
[02:27] <emma> which kernel is in the kubuntu desktop?
[02:28] <emma> could someone with kubuntu desktop do uname -a
[02:28] <DaSkreech> Linux Released 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Thu Oct 30 04:18:38 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:28] <emma> DaSkreech: is that intrepid?
[02:28] <DaSkreech> Yes
[02:29] <emma> DaSkreech: I selected 'expert mode' on the alt cd, theres a lot of options that way, and a lot of them are over my head :)
[02:29] <ardchoille> it's either Intrepid or he compiled his own kernel :)
[02:29] <emma> you get to choose which kernel you want too though, apparently.
[02:29] <DaSkreech> ask away
[02:29] <DaSkreech> you would. It's a server install
[02:29] <emma> well i think i've gotten it to make an encrypted LVM with a /home partition.
[02:29] <coreymon77> what happened to ubotu's seen command?
[02:30] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: Seenserv took it over
[02:30] <emma> ubotu is not here.
[02:30] <dig> !comedy
[02:30] <dig> LOL
[02:30] <Joe_Knight> how do i find the essid of my router?
[02:30] <DaSkreech> :-)
[02:30] <favro> !lol
[02:30] <tacosarecool> !do you like pie?
[02:30] <DaSkreech> orly ?
[02:30] <emma> Many people would argue that IRC is the same as IM but not me. I disagree with those people strongly.
[02:31] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: please do that in a private message
[02:31] <DaSkreech> !help > tacosarecool
[02:31] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: seenserv?
[02:31] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: /msg seenserv help
[02:31] <edt> damn got to reinstall - I manually updated, it installed a new kernel, now grub will not boot...
[02:32] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: ...
[02:32] <Eruaran> can still fix grub
[02:32] <DaSkreech> !grub
[02:32] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: that whole thing was a joke, wasnt it
[02:33] <edt> its finding the kernel but not the vda root disk
[02:33] <draik> I seem to keep having issues with icons
[02:33] <draik> I tend to go from an actual icon to a while "paper" with a blue question mark on it.
[02:33] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: the command you are looking for is /msg seenserv seen nick
[02:34] <tacosarecool> This isn't going to be as easy as looking at abunch of stuff
[02:34] <tacosarecool> I need a clue
[02:34] <coreymon77> seenserv, no such nick/channe;
[02:34] <tacosarecool> At what I should look at
[02:35] <mot_> can anybody help me with a little alsa/audigy nx usb problem?
[02:35] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: seenserv doesnt exist huh
[02:35] <chrisruls00_> Hello, I have a question. I use an Nvidia graphics card that requires the 96 series of drivers. They do not currently work with intrepid right now, so I am using the back-upi driver. However NVidia just released a beta that says it could work. You have to manually install it so I did, but when It reconfigured my xorg.conf I could not boot up my xserver. I reloaded my backup and I realilized the xorg.conf file looks a lot diffrent
[02:35] <chrisruls00_> than it did in 8.04. Does anyone know how I could tell it to use the new nvidia driver correctly?
[02:36] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: Yeah it's not as hardworking as chanserv or nickserv :(
[02:36] <DaSkreech> Guest54584: Don't IRC as Root
[02:36] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: it doesnt answer commands
[02:36] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: so, what happened to the seen function
[02:37] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: Went with ubotu
[02:37] <coreymon77> whens ubotu coming back
[02:37] <DaSkreech> never
[02:37] <coreymon77> what happened to ubotu
[02:37] <DaSkreech> Left in a huff
[02:37] <Joe_Knight> where do i find ndiswrapper ?
[02:37] <Joe_Knight> says it installed
[02:38] <coreymon77> why?
[02:38] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: darn, i wanted to do the !seen anything joke
[02:38] <DaSkreech> Wasn't owned or run by canonical the person who did run it left one day took his server and so ubotu went with
[02:39] <anon> nick lee
[02:39] <DaSkreech> !nick
[02:39] <Joe_Knight> anyone?
[02:39] <Joe_Knight> after ndiswrap is installed where do i find it?
[02:40] <coreymon77> Joe_Knight: ndis is a cli utility
[02:40] <coreymon77> Joe_Knight: you dont find it
[02:40] <Joe_Knight> ok
[02:40] <Joe_Knight> where is that
[02:40] <leeraconteur> Looking for help on multiple issues.
[02:40] <ardchoille> DaSkreech: I thought ubotu was owned by seveas
[02:40] <Joe_Knight> naw
[02:40] <Joe_Knight> i have the ndisgtk GUI
[02:40] <DaSkreech> ardchoille: Well I don't see either of them
[02:41] <ardchoille> good point
[02:41] <DaSkreech> leeraconteur: Mentioning at least one might help
[02:41] <leeraconteur> Where is the search function to search my machine?
[02:41] <draik> ardchoille: Hey there. How are you?
[02:41] <ardchoille> draik: :)
[02:42] <draik> How do I get the necessary package (or whatever I need) to get my media buttons to work? I have a Logitech Elite keyboard.
[02:42] <leeraconteur> draik:  search synaptic first
[02:42] <ardchoille> draik: Trying to get up the nerve to install Intrepid, but I can't seem to find libpatience
[02:43] <draik> ardchoille: LOL. I think it missed the repos
[02:44] <draik> leeraconteur: What would I be trying to find?
[02:44] <leeraconteur> draik:  search for logitech first.  see if the repo has any generic drivers for logitech
[02:45] <rav> hello. I'm trying out Kubuntu 8.10 on my laptop. I got the Nvidia card working fine, but with the exact same configuration i have on 8.04.1, my wireless card doesn't work on 8.10. I have to use ndiswrapper for my atheros card
[02:45] <draik> G15 keyboard from Logitech. I don't think that's what I have at all
[02:46] <djg9282> hi guys....i'm thinking about downloading kubuntu 8.10...but one of the bugs that it mentions in the release notes has to do with my wireless connection. Does anyone know if when these bugs are fixed they are put into the download section immediately or would i have to wait for 8.10.1 for those bugs to be fixed?
[02:46] <ardchoille> draik: "apt-cache search logitech" returns a few things and "logitech-applet" looks interesting
[02:46] <leeraconteur> 8.10 is good.  I don't use wireless.  I do have some questions, though.
[02:47] <ardchoille> djg9282: the repos usually see bug fixes and security updates after release
[02:47] <djg9282> so the updates would come from adept or apt-get after installing?
[02:48] <draik> ardchoille: logitech-applet is for the mouse
[02:49] <ardchoille> ah, ok
[02:49] <ardchoille> draik: logitech keyboard?
[02:50] <draik> ardchoille: Yes. Specifically, Logitech Elite
[02:50] <edt> hey reinstall using the us. instead of the ca. servers built a kubuntu that starts X/kde correctly
[02:51] <leeraconteur> kick
[02:51] <ardchoille> draik: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/logitech-elite-keyboard-howto-125333/
[02:52] <h4v0k> ok wtf
[02:52] <h4v0k> where is the driver
[02:52] <h4v0k> i have the cd and cant find it
[02:52] <rav> does someone have an atheros wifi card working on Kubuntu 8.10 AMD64 using ndiswrapper?
[02:52] <h4v0k> im tryin to get a netgear wifi card working and having a bongo of a time
[02:57] <draik> I try to install a screensaver and this is what I get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/67083/
[02:57] <draik> ardchoille: Thanks. I knew it was out there somewhere.
[02:58] <ardchoille> draik: yw
[02:59] <draik> ardchoille: I have KeyTouch and that used to work, but pressing any button for it to recognize doesn't do anything.
[02:59] <ardchoille> draik: :(
[02:59] <ardchoille> draik: Where did you get that screensaver? I want to try compiling it
[02:59] <draik> Then again, that was back with Edgy (maybe Dapper)
[03:00] <draik> Let me get you a direct link
[03:00] <ardchoille> draik: Lots of changes since then
[03:00] <draik> ardchoille: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KCometen4?content=87586
[03:00] <ardchoille> draik: Ah, love that site
[03:00] <draik> ardchoille: Yup :)
[03:02] <ardchoille> draik:  ./configure: 77: cmake: not found
[03:04] <ardchoille> draik: Ah, it's for qt4, I'm still on Hardy
[03:04] <draik> ardchoille: You get can kCommeten 3.
[03:05] <draik> I had blue everything with the transformers (autobots) emblem in the middle of a black background. It looks great!
[03:07] <ardchoille> draik: looks like kcometen3 would have compiled had I had x includes
[03:07] <ardchoille> heh, almost forgot how to compile.. haven't had to do that in years
[03:12] <mot_> what should i try if i don't see any options for treble/bass in alsamixer/kmix?
[03:13] <\Kira> I have some questions about upgrading from kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10. Can anyone point me to a resource because I have quite a few questions.
[03:14] <ardchoille> !upgrade | \Kira
[03:15] <\Kira> ardchoille: is that the instructions or what will happen when I up grade? I know how to do it, but Im not sure what it will effect
[03:16] <ardchoille> \Kira: From what I've seen, some upgrades go well, some don't.. I don't know of any way to tell before hand
[03:17] <\Kira> ardchoille: im not worried about the system effects, really. What worries me if how many of my settings will be erased and etc.
[03:17] <\Kira> ardchoille: does it keep kde 3.5 and add 4.1? Or does it just replace 3.5?
[03:18] <ardchoille> \Kira: You can always make a backup of $HOME before the upgrade just in case, in fact I highly recommend it
[03:18] <ardchoille> \Kira: no idea
[03:18] <\Kira> ardchoille: okay, thanks
[03:18] <ardchoille> I've never done an upgrade
[03:22] <draik> I am missing so many icons. Well, associations.
[03:22] <draik> How do I set icons for apps?
[03:23] <tacosarecool> You think the sound problem could be that kubuntu is installed on top of ubuntu?
[03:23] <CYREX> tacosarecool: no
[03:23] <condon> Can anyone tell me how to remove KDE (4.1.2) and reinstall?
[03:23] <tacosarecool> Oh ok
[03:23] <tacosarecool> I wanna do that too
[03:23] <tacosarecool> Just to see what happens
[03:24] <dig> !downgrade
[03:24] <CYREX> should be aptitude purge kubuntu-desktop but from a terminal outside of kde
[03:24] <kabotage> how do i fix my kdm? i always had to sudo kdm
[03:24] <CYREX> but if you need ubuntu just install it and the installer will tell you which windows manager you wish to use as default
[03:24] <CYREX> kabotage: what seems to be your problem?
[03:25] <tacosarecool> I have a problem with my sound
[03:25] <condon> now purging it, will that reinstall it too or will I have to do something else?
[03:25] <CYREX> oki let me talk on private chat with you two to see if we can solve problem faster
[03:25] <tacosarecool> Ok
[03:26] <kabotage> CYREX: kdm wont load. i always had to type sudo kdm to start it
[03:26] <tacosarecool> Ok let's go talk to cyrex in private chat
[03:26] <tacosarecool> Cyrex I'm on private chat
[03:27] <Guest89323> C    C
[03:27] <Guest89323> CCC
[03:30] <draik> How do I change the keyboard that I am using?
[03:31] <zerothis> I'd like to make our organization's computers act enough like other operating systems that volunteers are not scared away from operating them. Similar look, same shortcut keys, menu layout, similar names for it all ("Stuff" menu instead of Start Menu, Contortion Panel, Finger instead of Finder, etc). I know how to do all that, but, can I then setup several "new user profiles", one themed mac, one themed XP, one themed vista. T
[03:31] <Ketrel> what version of KDE is in 8.10?
[03:32] <CYREX> KDE 4.12
[03:32] <CYREX> KDE 4.1.2 sorry
[03:32] <zerothis> setup several "new user profiles", one themed mac, one themed XP, one themed vista. Then when a new user is created, easily select one; ideally the new user would select it?
[03:33] <Dragnslcr> zerothis- I believe that a new user's home directory is made from /etc/skel, so there might be a way to choose a different one when you create the user
[03:34] <Ketrel> CYREX: thanks
[03:34] <edt> any idea why adept dies with a signal 11?
[03:35] <Ketrel> I had tried 4.0 but didn't like so I went to 3.5 again, so hopefully 4.1 will be good
[03:35] <zerothis> Dragnslcr: so perhaps a script in /etc/skel is a good starting point?
[03:35] <edt> under 8.10 newly installed on amd64, kvm-77 on 2.6.27-4 gentoo
[03:35] <Dragnslcr> Ugh, man pages don't work right in Konsole
[03:36] <OxDeadC0de> what are the differences between gdm and kdm? I don't see any except when I use gdm it unlocks the keyrings for say.. rhythmbox (and other gnome apps), where kde apps seem to not rely on kdm for that function. well, and themes
[03:36] <Guest89417> Hi my system just updated now I lost my sound drivers any ideas?
[03:37] <CYREX> Ketrel: Well 4.0 was an alpha/beta version of KDE which was only for devs and fans, it was not a final version. 4.1 is the first production version while 4.2 will be a better enhanced version
[03:37] <OxDeadC0de> and 4.3 should have cool animations? :P
[03:37] <Ketrel> 4.3 FTW :p
[03:39] <Dragnslcr> zerothis- by default, adduser reads /etc/adduser.conf, which has a SKEL variable. You can change which conf file is used with the --conf option to adduser
[03:39] <corigo> I upgraded to 8.10 II and now there's this damned HP driver instead of CUPS trying to control my print job.... and failing. Any idea how to force the use of CUPS and circum navigate the non-functioning HP Driver
[03:39] <CYREX> one thing everyone should remember is that 4.0 and all beginning versions for the 4.x are the start of a complete graphical enviroment
[03:40] <CYREX> it is not like 3.5 that has gone through a lot of work to get to the cool 3.5.10
[03:40] <Dragnslcr> zerothis- so you could do adduser --conf /etc/adduser.mac.conf, where /etc/adduser.mac.conf contains a different value for SKEL
[03:40] <Ketrel> CYREX: what does that mean for 4.x?
[03:40] <CYREX> so we just need to help kde with the 4.x versions, as anyone can see on the 4.x versions it is a lot enhanced and is getting better faster
[03:41] <CYREX> what i mean with 4.x  is 4.0, 4.1, 4.1.2, etc
[03:41] <CYREX> the x points to any version of kde 4
[03:41] <OxDeadC0de> x = variable
[03:41] <OxDeadC0de> 4 = constant
[03:42] <OxDeadC0de> where x is the minor version (bug fixes, updates), and 4 is the major version (where all the features should be set in place, mostly)?
[03:43] <CYREX> OxDeadC0de: Exactly
[03:43] <Ketrel> CYREX: I know what 4.x meant, I mean what did 4.x being the start of a complete graphical environment mean for 4.x that it didn't for 3.x?
[03:44] <CYREX> a oki
[03:44] <CYREX> well the QT library version 4 for starts
[03:44] <CYREX> better memory, i/o performance
[03:44] <CYREX> easier management of windows and objects
[03:44] <OxDeadC0de> cool plasmoid system?
[03:44] <CYREX> apart from other stuff
[03:44] <CYREX> that for one
[03:44] <CYREX> go to the now bought by nokia qt place
[03:45] <CYREX> the framework is very very awesome
[03:46] <OxDeadC0de> now if only they'd fix the ruby scriptengine for plasmoids, I'd be happy :P
[03:46] <OxDeadC0de> it's borked on kde::combobox's :/
[03:48] <draik> OxDeadC0de: How's it going?
[03:48] <OxDeadC0de> draik good, and yourself? Everything still working? :)
[03:49] <corigo> Or do I need to find some HP support channel?
[03:49] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Yes, it's all working. Just trying to get my keyboard's media keys to work, icons to show (white sheet with blue question mark), change icoons on some apps (prefer a mixture from various themes) and that's about it.
[03:50] <OxDeadC0de> media keys (should be) easy, icons to show - uhh? change icons on apps : ea
[03:50] <OxDeadC0de> easy * :D
[03:50] <OxDeadC0de> oh I see, menu editor, give them an icon they're set to the default icon of nothing ;)
[03:52] <draik> media keys, not so easy.
[03:52] <draik> Icons,  not listed :(
[03:53] <OxDeadC0de> and if you have a laptop, you should really right click on the desktop, hit add widgets (unlock first if they're locked), get new plasmoids - from the internet, and get my cpu frequency scaler app ;) It's nice in ubuntu, although i have some problems with it not wanting to load once in a long while when plasma starts (python script engines fault, not mine, although my metadata.desktop file in it was messed up so I don't know, fixed that, maybe it will
[03:54] <draik> OxDeadC0de: You made that?
[03:55] <OxDeadC0de> check the username :P
[03:55] <OxDeadC0de> that should be proof enough
[03:56] <baudthief> Is it possible to stream audio from one kubuntu desktop to another? (ie: from my latop to my desktop attached to audio equipment)
[03:56] <OxDeadC0de> for multimedia keys doesn't k-menu/settings/keyboard and mouse/keyboard shortcuts do it for you?
[03:57] <OxDeadC0de> baudthief yes it is! with pulseaudio
[03:57] <baudthief> schweet, lookin into it now :D
[03:58] <corigo> Anyone having troubles printing with new HP driver installed with 8.10? HP driver tells me the print is successful, but the printer does nothing.
[03:58] <OxDeadC0de> baudthief set up pulseaudio server on both computers, make sure it's running (I keep my fedora box having it always running), then you can use pacat to copy the stream and have it play out both at once (With network delay on the server), or use padevchooser to switch the server to the remote one so it comes out those speakers in sync with say.. video (I use it to watch movies on my laptop with sound coming out my stereo hooked up to my server without 
[03:59] <draik> russlar: Hey there.
[03:59] <draik> OxDeadC0de: No
[04:00] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Now I'm afraid to reboot. There  was an update to my nVidia driver
[04:01] <OxDeadC0de> and I must continue drinking my tequila and pass out soon
[04:01] <corigo> 0xDeadC0de: pass the bottle already
[04:01] <Ketrel> draik: this should be like russian roulette
[04:02] <draik> Ketrel: Not really all that funny.
[04:02] <OxDeadC0de> corigo: I'm still waiting for star trek like food replicators to be able to do that kind of stuff through the net.....
[04:03] <russlar> OxDeadC0de: replicators? transporters would be better
[04:03] <OxDeadC0de> russlar arn't they based on the same principals? or is this for an off-topic room to discuss in :P
[04:04] <Ketrel> OxDeadC0de
[04:04] <Ketrel> yes
[04:05] <Ketrel> (they are based on the same principle)
[04:05] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Ummm... Caould not open the plasma-cpufreq package required for the Cpu Frequency Selector widget.
[04:06] <OxDeadC0de> draik: you may need to apt-get install python-plasma for it to work
[04:07] <draik> Ok
[04:07] <draik> OxDeadC0de: I tried "sudo apt-get install plasma-cpufreq"
[04:09] <OxDeadC0de> draik that won't work, plasma-cpufreq is the name of the plasmoid (if you look in ~/.kde/share/apps/plasma/plasmoids you'll see it there) that's the cpu frequency scaler itself
[04:09] <draik> :(
[04:09] <zerothis> Dragnslcr:sounds like really good Ideas. I'm going to try an combine them with some other suggestions and see what I can accomplish
[04:09] <OxDeadC0de> it won't load because you don't have the python bindings installed yet, apt-get install python-plasma
[04:09] <draik> OxDeadC0de: Script initialization failed
[04:10] <OxDeadC0de> I might have broke it, I'll check, I do that sometimes sry :P (Damn inebriation)
[04:10] <russlar> OxDeadC0de has passed the Ballmer peak
[04:10] <gargoyle76> can anyone tell me how to turn multi touch pad back on after upgrade?
[04:11] <russlar> gargoyle76: what sort of hardware did you have multitouch on?
[04:11] <draik> Now, the dreadful part... rebooting. BRB everyone.
[04:11] <dwidmann> gargoyle76: I'm not sure on the specifics, but the synaptics manpage is pretty comprehensive so I'd look there.
[04:11] <gargoyle76> toshiba laptop trackpad
[04:11] <ardchoille> !bugs > me
[04:11] <ardchoille> found two more bugs :)
[04:12] <gargoyle76> it might not be on
[04:14] <gargoyle76> hmm
[04:14] <gargoyle76> don't know where to start]
[04:16] <dwidmann> gargoyle76: hehe, told ya it's comprehensive
[04:17] <draik> How is it possible to have an icon for Konversation in my K Menu, but not in my system tray?
[04:18] <draik> The same goes for my KNetworkManager
[04:18] <dwidmann> draik: you should be able to turn off the systray icon in the settings window for konversation
[04:18] <draik> dwidmann: Point is that it doesn't have an icon.
[04:18] <dwidmann> draik: that's awfully strange then.
[04:18] <Sokal-EC> ok finally got my wifi card workin now
[04:18] <Sokal-EC> <Joe Knight
[04:19] <dwidmann> draik: try reinstalling them?
[04:19] <draik> Reinstalling a theme?
[04:19] <Sokal-EC> allthe terminal i hgtk in ad to do to open ndis was type ndis
[04:19] <Sokal-EC> whoa
[04:19] <Sokal-EC> i had to type ndisgtk in the terminal
[04:19] <dwidmann> draik: I was thinking the programs (ie: konversation, knetworkmanager?)
[04:20] <draik> They have icons that I can see in the K Menu, but not in the system tray
[04:24] <DemocracyAdvisor> If you are voting and they have computerized elections, demand a paper ballot. Also, go to the Secretary of State and DEMAND that all Windows-based election equipment be decommissioned. Voting shall be relegated to archible paper ballots. Tell the officials in your precinct about the issue. Microsoft Windows Vista and XP SP2 contain a backdoor that gives the Republican party remote access to election systems to change votes. Re
[04:24] <h4v0k_d0m> ok how do i change the desktop theme
[04:24] <h4v0k_d0m> can i replace with my own picture?
[04:24] <DemocracyAdvisor> It is advised that in order to ensure you are most likely to be lawfully included in tomorrow's Democratic process of the first Republic, you give no hint of being pro-Linux.
[04:25] <h4v0k_d0m> anyone?
[04:25] <DemocracyAdvisor> h4v0k_d0m: Your question is too broad.
[04:26] <DemocracyAdvisor> h4v0k_d0m: What window manager? Are you using X's background setting command?
[04:26] <DemocracyAdvisor> The background is the root window.
[04:26] <h4v0k_d0m> i just installed
[04:26] <h4v0k_d0m> kubu ibex
[04:26] <h4v0k_d0m> so i have a graphical background
[04:27] <DemocracyAdvisor> No idea; Linux isn't really intended to be used as a desktop operating system.
[04:28] <condon> OK...so..is there anyway to setup a new KDE4 profile?
[04:28] <h4v0k_d0m> oh jeez
[04:28] <russlar> DemocracyAdvisor: kindly stfu
[04:28] <h4v0k_d0m> wtf ever
[04:28] <russlar> h4v0k_d0m: it can be done
[04:28] <condon> tried kde4-config...did nothing, no error, command not found, nothing
[04:28] <russlar> right click on your desktop
[04:28] <DemocracyAdvisor> russlar: You know I'm right.
[04:28] <ardchoille> !stfu
[04:28]  * DemocracyAdvisor criesm :'(
[04:28] <h4v0k_d0m> russlar: your awesome thanx
[04:29] <DemocracyAdvisor> cries
[04:29] <condon> anybody?  Trying to get my right-click-ability and menus back in KDE
[04:29] <condon> did the whole "aptitude purge kubuntu-desktop" then install kubuntu-desktop but everything is as I had it before (screwed up)
[04:32] <ardchoille> condon: purging kubuntu-desktop will not take kde of your system, it will simply remove the kubuntu-desktop package and that's only a met-package
[04:32] <condon> so how do I reinstall kde itself?
[04:32] <ardchoille> no idea
[04:33] <ardchoille> condon: I just filed a bug about that
[04:33] <condon> Don't know if this is a bug..I think I just did a number on it
[04:34] <h4v0k_d0m> is there no mozilla package for kub
[04:34] <OxDeadC0de> DemocracyAdvisor I know a LOT of people switching to linux over microsoft as their destop environment.
[04:34] <condon> Was trying to tweak it for multiple desktop backgrounds.  Actually got it to work...just lost my menus in the processes.
[04:34] <OxDeadC0de> anyone I can convince :P
[04:34] <condon> what are you trying to convince us of Ox?
[04:35] <OxDeadC0de> condon: nothing, he was saying linux isn't meant as a desktop os, but .. my mom uses it and she's dumb as a stack of bricks when it comes to computers
[04:36] <condon> Ah, lol, gotcha.  Yeah, I hooked my boss up.  It was interem until he got his new computer, but used it for months with nearly no instruction.
[04:36] <condon> Actually tells me he liked it more, but his kids didn't want to learn something new.  Thought that was kinda funny
[04:37] <OxDeadC0de> damn kids, need to get over their bias! :P
[04:39] <tacosarecool> I have a sound issue
[04:39] <h4v0k_d0m> anyone know how i cn use my own photo as a desktop?
[04:39] <condon> exactly.  Saddly Mac users are usually even harder to convince that Linux is the way to go.
[04:39] <russlar> mmm....tacos
[04:39] <tacosarecool> Augigy card probably audigy value
[04:39] <draik> "You're doing all of this for a taco?" Hmmmm... you're right. Maybe I should also get a burrito!
[04:39] <OxDeadC0de> eh osx can't be that bad with it's linux core can it?
[04:40] <OxDeadC0de> bsd core sorry
[04:40] <condon> Na, not nearly as microcrap
[04:41] <tacosarecool> i have 7.1 but it's cao106
[04:42] <chrisruls00> Ilike Xp better than Macs, The interface makes more sense to me and I don't like the way macs are built. I like linux better than both of them though. (Except when it decides to stop supporting my graphics card)
[04:43] <condon> lol chrisruls00 - I can sympathise.
[04:43]  * faileas thinks, personally that the best OS is the one the user feels most at home with ;p
[04:44] <chrisruls00> hopefully NVidia updates their 96x driver soon. I tried the new beta but that gives me the white screnn.
[04:44] <chrisruls00> I agree with faileas for the most part.
[04:44] <tacosarecool> Can anyone help me?
[04:45] <faileas> which is why most of my boxen are dual boot ;p
[04:45] <condon> what's your issue taco?
[04:45] <tacosarecool> Sound
[04:45] <tacosarecool> Don't ask me to do system settings I tried that
[04:45] <condon> I gathered as much... I mean... um... too much sound, not enough sound, no sound, grainy sound?
[04:46] <tacosarecool> no sound
[04:46] <tacosarecool> Used to have soun
[04:46] <tacosarecool> d
[04:46] <chrisruls00> I would dual boot, but the only computer that is mine is a 60GB laptop, too small to partition effectivly IMO. I use my dads when I need windows.
[04:46] <faileas> LOL
[04:46] <faileas> chrisruls00: i have a dual XP/linux boot on 20 gigs
[04:46] <condon> Have you right clicked on your volume controls, gone into preferences, and raised the level on the ...christ...no desktop at my command..can't picture it...want to say PCB?
[04:46] <faileas> the linux partition is 4.5 gb , which is JUST a little to small on handsight
[04:47] <mot_> i am simulating 5.1 surround on my usb audio 2 nx
[04:47] <mot_> however i only see left/right channels in alsamixer/kmix (even though i'm getting surround sound, but more importantly i don't have any tone control (treble/bass) can anybody help?
[04:48] <chrisruls00> well I'm still in high school so I really can't give too much time to my computer right now. (In fact I should be reading Huck Finn right now. I guess I'll have to read an extra chapter tomorrow.
[04:49] <condon> I hate Mark Twain
[04:49] <tacosarecool> I'm in high school I have a job on saturday and sunday I work 4 hours
[04:49] <tacosarecool> so 8 hours all together
[04:49] <chrisruls00> I hate english altogether.
[04:49] <mot_> you'll never have more time to sit on your computer and do jack shit than in high school, truuuuust me.
[04:50] <condon> You got that right mot
[04:50] <tacosarecool> I have time I don't have homework
[04:51] <mot_> wait till you get to college
[04:52] <mot_> why do you think college students drink so much? it's the only way to survive four years of bullshit so thick you could cut it with a knife.
[04:52] <tacosarecool> I have a cousin who works for google and my best friends dad is a exec at qualcomm
[04:52] <karma> is this a help channel ?
[04:52] <russlar> karma: aparently not
[04:53] <draik> karma: Define "help"
[04:53] <chrisruls00> karma: It is supposed to be
[04:53] <condon> depends on the kind of help you're looking for
[04:53] <mot_> anybody here know anything about tone control on the audigy 2 nx by the way?
[04:53] <karma> well i am trying to help a friend who has installed Kubuntu KDE4 and he is having issues with the network manager
[04:53] <mot_> i'm simulating 5.1 in alsa but i can't get any sort of bass/treble control =\
[04:53] <russlar> karma: joing the club
[04:54] <russlar> what's up?
[04:54] <tacosarecool> I'm having issues with sound
[04:54] <karma> it gives an error i searched and its a known bug but there isnt a walk around that i can find
[04:54] <condon> I have no menus or right-clickability in kde 4
[04:55] <brad_> hey
[04:55] <karma> hey brad
[04:55] <russlar> hey kerma
[04:56] <karma> lol
[04:56] <karma> brb
[04:57] <some_dude> hey
[04:57] <russlar> hey some dude
[04:57] <some_dude> my phone stoped working as a usb harddive since the upgrade to 8.10
[04:58] <condon> what's the isntaller in kde?
[04:58] <Dolo> is there any way to get abc channel player working on ubuntu?
[04:58] <condon> nevermind
[05:07] <someone101> anyone here able to help ?
[05:08] <russlar> someone101: depends of what you need help with
[05:08] <hoonteke> do the volume media buttons work for other folks?
[05:08] <someone101> i need help with setting dns manually
[05:09] <russlar> open terminal
[05:09] <someone101> since there is a bug that wont allow the network manager to load in the control area
[05:09] <russlar> sudo vi /etc/resolv.conf
[05:09] <mot_> anybody with 8.10 have problems with widget settings/positions not being restored on reboot/
[05:10] <russlar> mot_: you need to lock your widgets before you reboot
[05:11] <mot_> i do
[05:12] <mot_> doesn't help
[05:14] <some_dude> my phone is not working as a memory stick under 8.10
[05:17] <draik> some_dude: Take it out of your phone
[05:18] <some_dude> the phone is a card reader
[05:19] <draik> The phone is a phone with the ability to store on a memory card
[05:19] <some_dude> until today, when I pluged the phone in, it would show up as /dev/sdf1
[05:20] <some_dude> not it's not there at all
[05:29] <spaik> hi
[05:29] <h4v0k_d0m> is there a way i can replace konqurer with mozilla as my favorite
[05:30] <spaik> any egyptians ?
[05:30] <jmichaelx> h4v0k_d0m: go to 'system settings' and then select 'default applications'
[05:32] <spaik> my 3d box isn't working. i have kubuntu 8.10 and the ccsm and the 3d windows and rotating is cheked but it is not working, any help please?
[05:33] <jmichaelx> spaik: have you tried installing 'fusion-icon'?
[05:33] <spaik> no, what is that and how to ?
[05:35] <jmichaelx> spaik: the usual way.. 'sudo apt-get install fusion-icon' . after it is intalled, hit alt-f12 and enter 'fusion-icon' and hit enter. you'll then have an icon in your system tray that will allow you to adjust compiz settings
[05:36] <spaik> ok i will try, thank u very much
[05:36] <jmichaelx> oops, don't hit alt-f12.... hit alt-f2. i have no idea how f12 got on the screen.
[05:36] <spaik> no problem ;)
[05:37] <dig> is fusion-icon the actual 3D desktop?
[05:37] <dig> I guess no
[05:38] <jmichaelx> dig: it will allow you to make quick compiz config changes... such as enabling/diabling the cube
[05:38] <dig> jmichaelx: Do I need to isntall compiz?
[05:38] <spaik> i did but when i hit alt f2 it didn't work and the run command appeared
[05:38] <h4v0k_d0m> when i go to system settings and try to change my default browser firefox doesnt show up
[05:38] <jmichaelx> dig: well, you do if it is not already installed
[05:39] <h4v0k_d0m> and in k menu eith noter why
[05:39] <h4v0k_d0m> aargh lol
[05:39] <jmichaelx> spaik: the run command is what you are looking for. enter fusion-icon, and press enter
[05:39] <spaik> i got it from the menu
[05:40] <jmichaelx> spaik: ok, you can do that, too lol
[05:41] <spaik> ok iam trying
[05:41] <spaik> it still dosent work nothing from compiz is working
[05:42] <spaik> ok i made it work
[05:42] <jmichaelx> spaik: have you been able to use compiz with you video adapter in the past?
[05:42] <jmichaelx> ok
[05:43] <spaik> thank you very much
[05:43] <jmichaelx> np
[05:43] <delilaz> hello all, I have a problem. Before installing flashplayer 10 I used to be able to watch videos but now I can not.  The only reason I installed it was because I visited a site that required the latest flashplayer and so I installed it but the effects is reversed.  How can I fix this???
[05:43] <jmichaelx> delilaz: did you install flashplayer from the repos?
[05:44] <delilaz> no I downloaded the tar.gz from the flashplayer site
[05:44] <delilaz> I did try  installing swf macromedia flashplayer from adept but that did nothing
[05:45] <Dr_willis> thats the hard way to get flash going. I normally install the kubuntu-restricted-extras package and ig gets flash and some other parts i need
[05:46] <delilaz> I already have that package I believe, maybe needs an update??
[05:46] <jmichaelx> delilaz: i would recommend installing from the repos as well... and the adobe site is now providing .deb's as well. no need for tar.gz
[05:47] <delilaz> jmichaelx: I would have downlaoded the .deb if I could but I have dapper drake not 8.04
[05:47] <Dr_willis> Clean install here, i install kubuntu-restricted-extras and flash is working.
[05:47] <Dr_willis> dapper? Egads.
[05:47] <dig> jmichaelx: sorry a quick one, how to rotate the desktop cube.
[05:47] <jmichaelx> delilaz: ahh , i see
[05:47]  * Dr_willis backs away
[05:48] <jmichaelx> dig: i am not the one to ask about the finer details of configuring compiz. i am actually sticking with kwin right now.
[05:48] <delilaz> ok, jmichaelx or Dr_willis, how can I uninstall flashplayer 10 I installed?
[05:48] <Dr_willis> No idea.  on that.. depends on how you installed it i guess
[05:49] <delilaz> Dr_willis: I installed it through the terminal
[05:49] <Dr_willis> delilaz  thats tells us very little. :)
[05:50] <jmichaelx> delilaz: you could locate the director for mozilla plugins, and (cautiously) delete anything manually that has to do with flash. then 'sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree' in a terminal
[05:50] <jmichaelx> directory*
[05:50] <jmichaelx> delilaz: instaed of deleting, maybe safely moving to another folder would be a betetr suggestion
[05:50] <jmichaelx> better*
[05:51] <jmichaelx> ok, i am mistyping everything... make that 'sudo apt-get istall flashplugin-nonfree'
[05:52] <delilaz> jmichaelx: would that be in ~./mozilla??
[05:52] <jmichaelx> minus the typos
[05:52] <jmichaelx> delilaz: possibly so, take a look
[05:52] <condon> Can anyone tell me if there's a way to get the wine menu in kde 4?  Shows up in the menu on my gnome desktop, but not in KDE
[05:53] <delilaz> Ok, will do, I'll be back though lol
[05:55] <chull> i have a problem with firefox, ive got a popup for scannerantispyware that will NOT close. I can't kill all of firefox and restart because I open the same things all the time.
[05:55] <jmichaelx> good luck, delilaz. i am poking around, too. it should not be too difficult to find
[05:56] <Dr_willis> chull  time for some addblock/noscript extensions I think.
[05:57] <delilaz> true, I found the plugin folder but before I do any moving, I ran into something...
[05:57] <chull> hmm ok how can i do that?
[05:57] <Dr_willis> go to firefox extension web page.. install extensions...
[05:57] <chull> Dr_willis, i appreciate the suggestion, firefox always just blocked stuff
[05:57] <Dr_willis> chull  proerly some new spamware ads getting aroud the normal blocking
[05:58] <anjan> hi all
[05:58] <chull> yes, (chalcedony i got a wild ad today too)
[05:58] <anjan> got sound problem
[05:58] <anjan> it was working fine before i installed a driver for virtual box
[05:58] <delilaz> when I installed flashplayer it told me to  "ask admin to reomove xpti.ddat from compnents directory of Mozilla or Netscape browser" I did remove it into trash, but now somehow it's back in the directory. Could that be the problem???
[05:58] <anjan> the error after running alsamixer in konsole is
[05:58] <anjan> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[05:59] <anjan> any help ?
[06:03] <delilaz> ok so in the plugin folder I found flashplayer.xpt and libflashplayer.so... I'm guessing I move the flashplayer.xpt out right?
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[06:07] <administrator> 肥沃
[06:12] <billytwowilly> Hi, how do I enable the nvidia drivers in 8.10?
[06:13] <Dr_willis> I think im theonly person in the world that the Restricted-driver tool for nvidia - actually worked  for. :)
[06:13] <billytwowilly> heh. how do I start up the restricted driver tool again to test it out?
[06:14] <Dr_willis> its in themenus somewhere..or the command line tool is err... 'jocky<tab>' :) i forget the name
[06:15] <Dr_willis> or was it jockey>
[06:17] <Renegade15> good evening
[06:18] <billytwowilly> Dr_willis: if I add a driver=nv line to the device section will it work? the xorg.conf file is all weird in 8.10...
[06:19] <Dr_willis> If you have an older xorg.conf  it might work also..
[06:19] <tca> does a partition being /dev/sdb1 garuntee it will be hd1,0 in grub?
[06:19] <Dr_willis> and thats not the right format for the driver line. :)
[06:19] <Dr_willis> tca  not sure of a guarentee. :) but ive alwyas seen it be that way
[06:20] <Dr_willis> unless you are booting from a external usb drive
[06:20] <Dr_willis> Then ive seen them switch around
[06:20] <tca> well i cant seem to get my windows drive to boot
[06:21] <Dr_willis> if you ahve 'moved' a windows drive from one cable to another.. you may need  to tell the bios t boot that specific drive..
[06:21] <tca> is there anyway to find out if its something else?
[06:21] <Dr_willis> we would neeed more details on the exact error/problem/messages
[06:21] <tca> no i havent moved it the 8.10 installer just didnt autoconfig it properly
[06:21] <billytwowilly> how do I tell what driver x.org is using?
[06:21] <billytwowilly> I see nv when I grep lsmod
[06:21] <Dr_willis> grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:22] <Dr_willis> is one way
[06:22] <billytwowilly> nothing is in there.
[06:22] <Dr_willis> looks like its all doing auto-magic configuration
[06:22] <billytwowilly> 8.10's xorg.conf is weird. Almost nothing in there.
[06:22] <Dr_willis> which seems to cause a lot of problems. :)
[06:22] <Dr_willis> grab a example xorg.conf from a live cd, or other location perhaps..
[06:23] <Dr_willis> or try that nvidia-settings, or nvidia-xconfig tools to generate a new one?
[06:23] <tca> iirc correctly i get grub err12 if i try booting from grub on the windows drive and err13 from the linux drive
[06:23] <tca> thats all i really know
[06:24] <OxDeadC0de> iirc = if I recall correctly so iirc correctly is if I recall correctly correctly, kind of like asking for a pin number
[06:25] <unitypunk> !webhost
[06:26] <unitypunk> bah..
[06:26] <unitypunk> can anyone help me turn my desktop into a website...
[06:27] <Dr_willis> You mean 'run a webserver' on your 'ubuntu desktop machine' ?
[06:27] <OxDeadC0de> I think he means run a web browser applet as his desktop background?
[06:28] <Dr_willis> Ive no idea what he really ment. :)
[06:28] <OxDeadC0de> me either :P
[06:29] <dig> !localhost
[06:30] <unitypunk> yeah dr_w
[06:30] <unitypunk> i wanna run a webserver from my desktop
[06:31] <tca> unitypunk, sudo apt-get install apache2
[06:32] <tca> finished
[06:32] <unitypunk> what about.. like php
[06:32] <unitypunk> or cxpanal
[06:33] <Renegade15> cpanel requires a license, afaik
[06:33] <unitypunk> aww
[06:33] <unitypunk> really..
[06:33] <unitypunk> crappy.
[06:33] <tca> unitypunk, libapache2-mod-php5
[06:34] <tca> why would you want cpanel anyway
[06:34] <Renegade15> check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_panel_(Web_hosting)#FOSS
[06:34] <condon> anyone here use xwinwrap?
[06:34] <tca> not very helpfull if its for yourself
[06:34] <unitypunk> ive used free hosts that had cpanal
[06:34] <unitypunk> never hosted a website before.
[06:35] <condon> can someone tell me what "nice -n 15 ./xwinwrap" accomplishes?
[06:35] <condon> what is nice?
[06:36] <Tm_T> condon: it's "set this application to be low priority"
[06:36] <Tm_T> in this case
[06:36] <Tm_T> nice (1)             - run a program with modified scheduling priority
[06:37] <condon> cool.  Thanks man
[06:38] <Renegade15> is there any sort of standard way to deal with an "irq 18: nobody cared" problem? it suggests booting with "irqpoll", but google results indicate that that generally leads to booting problems...
[06:41] <MariachiElf> Anyone here get the vmmouse driver working on 8.10?
[06:41] <ectospasm> KDE4's panels suck if you want to customize them.  I can't reliably add or remove widgets, widgets can't be placed on the panel the way I want them to be... This really sucks.  Can I slit the throat of the idiot that decided to ship Kubuntu with KDE4 when it wasn't ready?  PLEASE?!?!?
[06:42] <fulat2k> hi folks, any idea how i can change the shortcut key for krunner?
[06:42] <dr_willis> they could of just delayed the whole kubuntu release for another 6 mo..would you be happy then>
[06:42] <HollowPoint> yes
[06:42] <ectospasm> dr_willis: no, they could have stuck with KDE3
[06:43]  * HollowPoint seconds ectospasm's recommendation
[06:43] <Tm_T> ectospasm: you could stay with 8.04
[06:43] <dr_willis> ectospasm,  they dident force you go to with 8.10  - perhaps there will be kde3 in backports or some ppa sites
[06:43] <ectospasm> Tm_T: Too late (-;
[06:43] <dr_willis> this 'argument' shows up in here at least once a day... :)
[06:43] <Tm_T> ectospasm: then don't behave that way, son
[06:43] <HollowPoint> it will do right now lol
[06:43] <ectospasm> who said I was a son?
[06:44] <fulat2k> ectospasm: 8.04 is still avail for d/l. :)
[06:44] <Tm_T> ectospasm: I did
[06:44] <Renegade15> can't you just download the KDE 3 source and compile?
[06:44] <dr_willis> Renegade15,  you could I imagine
[06:44] <HollowPoint> you know how long it takes to compile KDE3? lol
[06:44] <Tm_T> HollowPoint: not long
[06:44] <ectospasm> depending on the machine a couple to several hours at least
[06:44] <Renegade15> I don't have to - I'm sort of happy with 4 :)
[06:44] <HollowPoint> what system are you using Tm_T? A super cluster?
[06:45] <ectospasm> Renegade15: sort of...?
[06:45] <Tm_T> HollowPoint: old fart singlecore
[06:45] <MariachiElf> While HollowPoint and ectospasm are busy slitting their throats I'd like to pat them on the back, give them a big "Thank you!" and buy them a few rounds of beers!
[06:45] <Renegade15> meh, lots of customization gone, lots of new weird things
[06:45] <Renegade15> needs tweaking
[06:45]  * dr_willis notices that hes using GNOME now on his laptop.. not kde :P
[06:45] <Renegade15> but at least it shuts down properly >_>
[06:45] <Renegade15> heretic :P
[06:45] <dr_willis> wireless at least works now, and hibernate/suspend
[06:46] <HollowPoint> I've compiled KDE3.5.9 on an AMD Athlon 2.4Ghz with 4GB of RAM and it took over a day lol, you sure you compiled the full package and not just a base package?
[06:46] <dr_willis> 64bit seems to work well also.. even the nvidia drivers.
[06:46] <HollowPoint> I'm still on 8.04, was originally a 64bit Ubuntu install but I just don't get along with Gnome
[06:46] <ectospasm> I hate GNOME
[06:47] <Tm_T> HollowPoint: I build whole kde4 here
[06:47] <Tm_T> also...
[06:47] <Tm_T> !ot
[06:47] <ectospasm> which is why I won't install it at home or at work
[06:47] <unitypunk> so...
[06:47] <unitypunk> after i install apache..
[06:47] <HollowPoint> what in an hour I suppose? You sure you compiled it and not just installed it? and I HATE people telling me to go to offtopic, it SUCKS! so I'll simply discontinue the conversation :D
[06:48] <ectospasm> so... is anyone else having as much trouble as I am customizing the panel?  The whole "Add Widget" window seems horribly broken, if not simply hard to use...
[06:48] <Tm_T> HollowPoint: behave
[06:48] <Tm_T> ectospasm: all works here fine
[06:48] <fulat2k> ectospasm: is yours a clean install?
[06:48] <ectospasm> fulat2k: yep
[06:48] <HollowPoint> ectospasm: I had a few problems with my 8.10 VM install, to the point that after installing the Virtualbox drivers it won't run the X server anymore, prior to that disaster I did indeed have problems with adding widgets yes
[06:49] <ectospasm> I even moved ~/.kde out of the way to be sure
[06:49] <fulat2k> ectospasm: what kinda weird stuff r u facing?
[06:49] <Renegade15> <_< >_> anybody know stuff about irq 18: nobody cared?
[06:50] <Renegade15> unitypunk: check if PHP is installed, I guess...if not, install it
[06:51] <unitypunk> how would i check?
[06:51] <unitypunk> well.. i doubt it is.
[06:51] <unitypunk> all i did was aptget install apache
[06:52] <ectospasm> fulat2k: well... when I move the clock the area the widget wants to take up half the panel, and it can only be put in the center of this area.  I had the dictionary widget up, and that kept everything in place.  But since the dictionary doesn't work on the panel, I removed it (I still don't know how, because I can't add it back).  I finally got a second panel on the bottom of the screen (my main panel is on the top), with the task mana
[06:52] <HollowPoint> unitypunk: what exactly are you trying to acheive? I get the installing apache and php bit but what's your end goal? I ask because this determines how you install both Apache and PHP
[06:53] <unitypunk> uhh
[06:53] <unitypunk> wanna host a webpage
[06:53] <unitypunk> thinking a community bbs
[06:53] <HollowPoint> webpage uses php?
[06:53] <HollowPoint> ok
[06:53] <HollowPoint> so I'm assuming you need to use PHP sessions then?
[06:53] <unitypunk> with a portal page..
[06:53] <unitypunk> no idea what i need to use.
[06:54] <HollowPoint> ok, well if you're thinking about using a php forum for example? Then you're best bet is to install php as a module, as opposed to cgi
[06:54] <dig> ectospasm: feel the painc here
[06:54] <V1psta> Hello, Can I go from Ubuntu -> Kubuntu without loseing data. Just a simple upgrade?
[06:55] <HollowPoint> there are quite a few in depth tutorials out there for installing various different forums, bulleting boards, blogging systems etc, to a certain extent each has different requirements, for example, do you need SSL?
[06:55] <HollowPoint> V1psta: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:55] <Renegade15> (that is a yes)
[06:55] <HollowPoint> thanks
[06:55] <V1psta> thanks hoolow
[06:55] <V1psta> <3
[06:56] <unitypunk> HollowPoint, i have ssh running on the desktop right now.
[06:56] <Renegade15> SSH != SSL
[06:56] <HollowPoint> SSH is fine, I said SSL
[06:56] <unitypunk> ohh
[06:56] <unitypunk> nah
[06:56] <unitypunk> i dont really think so
[06:56] <HollowPoint> lol thanks for the php explanation there Renegade15
[06:56] <unitypunk> not gonna be doing anything with credit cards.. or important info
[06:56] <HollowPoint> so you don't require anyone to login over a secure connection in their web browser? You understand that without it any logins to the forums etc, the passwords will be sent in clear text?
[06:57] <HollowPoint> including your own login, in which case, make sure your forum password has nothing to do with your server password etc
[06:58] <unitypunk> so ssl is a pretty good idea then.
[06:58] <HollowPoint> I'd say so
[06:58] <HollowPoint> it's useful to execute login scripts etc at the very least
[06:59] <Renegade15> if you don't want to pay for a certificate, you can use self-signed ones
[06:59] <HollowPoint> let's say someone logs into the forum, their password will be sent in clear text, but not only that, the PHP script running behind it will execute a MySQL connection, which uses a username and password, if you're not on the same server as MySQL database that may get sent in clear text as well
[06:59] <Renegade15> though be aware that FF3 doesn't like self-signed certificates
[06:59] <HollowPoint> yeah, the only issue with self signed ones is that the browser complains it's not just FF3 either, IE6 and 7 both complain, as does Google Chrome, Flock. etc
[07:00] <HollowPoint> if I remember rightly FF2 does too, you get a notification that it could not identify the Cert issuer
[07:00] <unitypunk> hmm
[07:00] <unitypunk> do most websites use ssl?
[07:00] <Renegade15> yes
[07:00] <HollowPoint> if they use login details with passwords etc and the administrator has any sense, then yes lol
[07:00] <Renegade15> especially the serious ones
[07:02] <unitypunk> hmm
[07:02] <HollowPoint> I'm writing a PHP secure backend to my site at the moment, in pure PHP and XHTML/CSS, no matter how secure I make my validation and authentication etc, without SSL everything still gets sent in plain text, anyone watching gets everything the program passes over a network connection
[07:03] <unitypunk> man
[07:03] <unitypunk> things always seem so diffficult..
[07:04] <tca> not difficult
[07:04] <HollowPoint> it's exactly the same reason you use SSH instead of Telnet, Telnet sends everything in plain text, whereas SSH establishes an encrypted tunnel and sends everything down it
[07:04] <tca> just time consuming
[07:04] <HollowPoint> exactly what tca said, there are plenty of step by step tutorials just a google search away, it just takes a bit of time thats all
[07:04] <dr_willis> Difficult is troubleshooting windows...
[07:05] <mr---t-> naw just reboot
[07:05]  * HollowPoint corrects dr_willis, "Difficult is using Windows to do anything but use Word"
[07:05] <unitypunk> do i neeed sql then too?
[07:05] <dr_willis> Iv enot had much luck with WORD either..
[07:05] <dr_willis> :P
[07:05] <HollowPoint> if you're going to use a database, which if you're using a forum you will be, then yes
[07:07] <HollowPoint> unitypunk: http://www.phpbb.com/support/documents.php?mode=install there's one for you, you may need to look elsewhere for the initial apache, php, mysql, ssl etc installation but you get the idea
[07:07] <pxc> hey... so, quick question regarding Kopete: the only option I have for formatting is to send smileys, and the usual shortcuts for rich text formatting do nothing. Why?
[07:08] <pxc> (this is the KDE 4 version of Kopete on Intrepid)
[07:09] <HollowPoint> unitypunk: http://www.ubuntux.org/quick-apache2-ssl-mysql5-php5-dapper-install there's an OLD step by step for Dapper, tells you how to install apache, mysql, ssl and php, don't think the installation procedure has changed much, but try your own searches or ask on the kubuntu/ubuntu forums if someone can point you at a decent how to
[07:10] <HollowPoint> dr_willis: I was ok with word back in the days of Windows 3.1.1, then it started to think it's english grammer and spelling were better than mine, even though it wasn't :D
[07:11] <pxc> you sure? It's spelled "grammar", after all. :-P
[07:12] <HollowPoint> yeah well it's 8:15 at night here and I'm about to go get beer so yeah
[07:12] <HollowPoint> plus living in Kiwiland has really hurt my english :( they spell things with Z's and pronounce Router as Rowter etc, I've been here too long
[07:13] <Renegade15> there it was again!
[07:13] <HollowPoint> there what was?
[07:13] <Renegade15> third time in two hours x_x
[07:13] <HollowPoint> ??
[07:13] <Renegade15> damn network card shuts down x_x
[07:13] <HollowPoint> :S
[07:14] <pxc> you should curse and threaten it in simple language and grunts
[07:14] <HollowPoint> and on that note I'm going for a case of carlsberg, back in a bit
[07:14] <HollowPoint> that usually doesn't work pxc but I get your meaning lol
[07:15] <Renegade15> any idea what Tainted: P means?
[07:15] <pxc> in what context? is it in some weird error log relating to your network device?
[07:17] <mr---t-> whats a carlsberg?
[07:17] <Eruaran> beer
[07:18] <HollowPoint> carlsberg is "probably the best lager in the world"
[07:18] <Renegade15> http://www.pastebin.ca/1244647 <-- that context
[07:18] <Renegade15> it's not the full error each time
[07:19] <Renegade15> there's also lots of interrupt, handle and similar info
[07:19] <Renegade15> scream if you want to see it
[07:20] <fulat2k> hi folks, any idea how i can change the shortcut key for krunner?
[07:20] <mr---t-> must be a southern hemisphere thing
[07:20] <Renegade15> have you never heard that slogan? "Carlsberg - Probably the best beer in the world!"?
[07:21] <mr---t-> nope
[07:21] <Renegade15> well I'm definitely northern hemisphere
[07:21] <dr_willis> Underaged drinkers :)
[07:21] <mr---t-> me?
[07:21] <Eruaran> Adept 3.0 = Usability Fail.
[07:22] <Tm_T> !ot | Renegade15
[07:23] <Renegade15> I'm copying dmesg error message...I am secretly on topic >_>
[07:23] <mr---t-> oh my
[07:24]  * Tm_T slaps jmichaelx
[07:24] <pxc> hey renegade, why don't you actually try adding irqpoll to your boot parameters in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:24] <Eruaran> Now even System Settings is opening full screen
[07:24] <Eruaran> I didn't want it to
[07:24] <Renegade15> because I googled the problem, and every single time it came up, the reporters said adding irqpoll led to boot problems
[07:24] <Eruaran> Why am I having to stuff around with advanced window settings for  EVERY APP ???!!!
[07:24] <Eruaran> This is fail.
[07:25]  * jmichaelx asks Tm_T, "How dare you? you insensitive clod!"
[07:25] <Tm_T> jmichaelx: just to remind you, no nazis here (delayed few days I am)
[07:26] <jmichaelx> LOL
[07:26] <jmichaelx> watch the OT subject matter!
[07:27] <dr_willis> !info nmap
[07:27] <Tm_T> jmichaelx: I am
[07:27] <jmichaelx> ok, that's what counts
[07:27] <jmichaelx> lol
[07:32] <Renegade15> this is the full error... http://www.pastebin.ca/1244656 does that mean anything to anyone?
[07:34] <OxDeadC0de> !info moc
[07:37] <HollowPoint> I love the way ubottu has such a friendly demeinor sp?
[07:39] <mr---t-> demeanor
[07:40] <HollowPoint> danke
[07:40] <mr---t-> !demeanor
[07:40] <HollowPoint> I've got Carlsberg now so couldn't be bothered to use dictionary.com
[07:40] <dr_willis> !spellcheck
[07:41] <mr---t-> cheers
[07:41] <mr---t-> oops ot
[07:41] <HollowPoint> lmao
[07:41] <dig> oh...
[07:41] <OxDeadC0de> !commands
[07:41] <OxDeadC0de> !help ubottu
[07:42] <HollowPoint> !=
[07:42] <HollowPoint> damnit
[07:42] <mr---t-> !botsnack
[07:42]  * Renegade15 -- /msg EvilRenegade sexy; /msg EvilRenegade pass your_password; !date bday <month> <day> <year>, where month is a three-letter-abbreviation.
[07:43] <dig> !damnit
[07:43] <HollowPoint> !dig
[07:43] <ardchoille> !botabuse
[07:43]  * Renegade15 -- /msg EvilRenegade sexy; /msg EvilRenegade pass your_password; !date bday <month> <day> <year>, where month is a three-letter-abbreviation.
[07:43] <dig> LOL
[07:44] <HollowPoint> shouldn't he be Kubottu in here anyway?
[07:44] <ardchoille> HollowPoint: he's used in more than just this channel
[07:44] <HollowPoint> ah multi talented bot, nice
[07:45] <mr---t-> he's everywhere ... not just here
[07:45] <ardchoille> yeah, jussi01 did a good job
[07:45] <HollowPoint> jussi01 created him?
[07:45] <ardchoille> !owner
[07:45] <stdin> I'm sure he loves all the pings too ;)
[07:45] <shydog> hello everyone
[07:46] <HollowPoint> must speak with him about why ubottu doesn't respond to != lol, every good bot should respond to !=
[07:46] <ardchoille> oops
[07:47] <mr---t-> hey stdin any good troubleshooting guides for sound cards out there? I have tried the one in the forums
[07:48] <stdin> the only one I know of is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting but I've never had any trouble with my sound so can't really say how good any of them are
[07:49] <mr---t-> been there done that
[07:49] <HollowPoint> whats the sound card mr---t?
[07:49] <mr---t-> how can I determine if I have an irq problem?
[07:50] <mr---t-> ensoniq pci 5880
[07:50] <HollowPoint> check out lspci, dmesg etc if you mean a conflict that is?
[07:50] <mr---t-> when I do lspci I don't get irq s
[07:51] <HollowPoint> I actually found a really good document the other day online for IRQ checking, was part of an LPIC training doc
[07:52] <mr---t-> when I run knoppix it works fine but the same driver doesn't work in kubuntu
[07:52] <HollowPoint> and I meant check out lspci not just type the command, lspci -vvv will give you IRQs and more
[07:52] <mr---t-> is that v v v ?
[07:52] <HollowPoint> with every command comes arguments to make it tell you more or less
[07:52] <HollowPoint> yeah v v v but together
[07:53] <HollowPoint> uber verbose basically
[07:53] <mr---t-> cool  but I'm on a different box now
[07:53] <mr---t-> I will try that
[07:54] <HollowPoint> just a tip for the future, whenever you find a command like lspci, dmesg etc always look at the man pages, there is almost always a way to get it to tell you more or less information, output to text files etc etc, loads of handy gadgets
[07:54] <dr_willis> 'when in doubt, read the docs' :)
[07:55] <HollowPoint> indeed
[07:55] <HollowPoint> lspci -vvv > /home/user/Desktop/lspci.txt (for example) will put the output to a text file for easy reading later or on a different system etc
[07:55] <mr---t-> I've had trouble reading the "generic" command stucture in the man pages I do better with examples , I'm still learning
[07:56] <HollowPoint> np, man pages are getting better these days, documentation in general is a LOT better now than it was a couple of years ago, "info lspci" is a good one as well some times you get more common sense in the info file than the man file
[07:57] <mr---t-> command (-v) (-o) (arguement) (module)
[07:58] <HollowPoint> yeah occasionally you actually have to "learn" how to read a man page to "learn" how to use the command I know lol
[07:58] <mr---t-> exactly
[07:58] <dr_willis> man info
[07:58] <dr_willis> :)
[07:58] <HollowPoint> lmao
[07:58] <dr_willis> man://ls
[07:59] <mr---t-> cool thanks doc
[07:59] <HollowPoint> once you understand that every (I think every anyway, not come accross one I can remember that doesn't) bash command can take arguments and most can take options too, it becomes easier to read
[07:59] <zombiehoffa> Hi, I'm having some serious problems with the nvidia drivers. I keep getting weird mtrr messages in dmesg when I use them and they don't every actually load. I see the x for the mouse for maybe a second before it black screens
[08:00] <HollowPoint> zombiehoffa: are you using 8.10?
[08:00] <mr---t-> thanks guys great info... I'll come back smarter I'm sure
[08:00] <zombiehoffa> HollowPoint, yes
[08:00] <zombiehoffa> I see a thread in the forums about it, but those fixes didn't work.
[08:01] <HollowPoint> zombiehoffa: Nvidia drivers don't work well with the new Xorg at all, you might be better off not trying for now if you've tried the main fixes posted in the forums and it's still not working
[08:01] <zombiehoffa> so, basically, I'm stuck until nvidia releases something?
[08:02] <mr---t-> nite all
[08:02] <zombiehoffa> any place I can watch the nvidia progress to a release?
[08:02] <HollowPoint> basically yes, and considering they've known about the issue since Xorg was in Beta, which was back when Fedora released Fedora 9 and they still haven't fixed it I don't know how soon it will be
[08:02] <zombiehoffa> atleast it's been a problem for a while;)
[08:02] <zombiehoffa> maybe something is coming.
[08:03] <HollowPoint> unfortunately proprietary drivers are still abit slow in coming for Linux
[08:03] <heyho> Hi guys, just upgraded my laptop to 8.10 and I'm finding the wireless interface to be unresponsive..
[08:03] <HollowPoint> the one saving grace is that when it does come it'll probably be one of the better drivers out there and the nvidia-settings app will probably work better than ever
[08:03] <HollowPoint> whats the laptop heyho?
[08:04] <heyho> Lenovo y410
[08:04] <heyho> I had kde4.1 installed on hardy previously
[08:05] <heyho> and it worked perfectly but now the whole interface has changed
[08:05] <HollowPoint> yeah it's probably nothing to do with KDE, it's more likely the updated network manager thats causing the problem in 8.10
[08:07] <heyho> before, I had an issue with the type of encryption my router used but I somehow managed to get it to work. I guess i'll just tinker with it some more for now.
[08:07] <heyho> Are there any known issues with this updated network manager?
[08:07] <HollowPoint> I cant' see any problems reported with that laptop and 8.10
[08:08] <HollowPoint> in fact I'm seing people on that laptop model say that 8.10 works a lot better with it than 8.04 did
[08:08] <HollowPoint> seeing*
[08:08] <heyho> really??
[08:08] <heyho> well there was this big issue with sound that was fixed in the later alsa versions
[08:09] <heyho> and I think standby and rebooting never worked for me (but I never pursued a solution for those since I never used it)
[08:09] <HollowPoint> yeah that seems to be the main subject from what I can see, Gutsy didn't like the sound and Hardy wasn't too great with it either, yet Ibex has fixed it
[08:14] <mike-solidus> i need the c++ man pages on my system, i'm pretty sure i installed them, but when i do something like man math.h or man math or man rand it says no entry has been found
[08:14] <mike-solidus> am i using man wrong?
[08:14] <heyho> weird, my laptop isn't refreshing available networks. I turned off my wireless security and laptop still shows it as being secured... time for a reboot!
[08:15] <favro> heyho: you could just restart the networking
[08:15] <favro> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[08:16] <heyho> I'll try that. Thanks. didn't know the commands :P
[08:17] <zeno> just upgraded to 8.10, apparently this gave me ktorrent-kde4, imported torrents but now it thinks there are dupes, and having to click through 4 thousand "you are already downloading xxxxx", any way to skip
[08:19] <HollowPoint> uninstall and purge the program I guess? But that will probably kill off anything you do have downloading
[08:19] <heyho> favro: no luck.. I put that command into the console and nothing's happened for like 4 minutes
[08:20] <favro> heyho: did it return to prompt?
[08:20] <zeno> HollowPoint: well i need to keep my torrents/settings
[08:20] <Zet> any idea why my kubuntu 8.10 does not bring up eth0 on boot? I have to manually "ifup eth0" every time
[08:20] <HollowPoint> I haven't used wireless from the command line for some time but you could try, I think it's iwconfig?
[08:20] <heyho> no
[08:20] <zeno> HollowPoint: manually re-downloading 4 thousand torrents and setting locations isnt an option
[08:20] <HollowPoint> yeah doesn't sound like fun
[08:20] <favro> heyho: I don't know what you changed - any typos or similar?
[08:20] <HollowPoint> 4 thousand torrents though? What on earth are you downloading? Or shouldn't I ask?
[08:21] <dr_willis> Proberly best we dont know.
[08:21] <dr_willis> :P
[08:21] <favro> hehe
[08:21] <HollowPoint> yeah thought so
[08:21] <HollowPoint> I only download FOSS and TV shows, as in publicly broadcasted material by torrent lol
[08:21] <heyho> favro: changed? I'm not sure what you're talking about.. by the way, it doesn't even ask me for the password
[08:22] <dr_willis> he has 4000 Linux Disrto Isos! hes seeding!
[08:22] <zeno> HollowPoint: legal text files, creative commons music, linux distros... :)
[08:22] <HollowPoint> heyho it won't if you've already used sudo in the last 10 or 20 minutes
[08:22]  * zeno coughs
[08:22] <heyho> I haven't used sudo
[08:23] <heyho> I rebooted once after the install finished
[08:23] <HollowPoint> I wish I was back in the U.K. where I had uncapped internet at 8Meg down speeds :'(
[08:23] <favro> heyho: sorry then - thought you changed stuff and it wasn't recognised - if you have used sudo recently it won't ask for a password
[08:23] <zeno> HollowPoint: i guess i COULD download the source, find the error dialog activation function, and replace it with nothing, but should be better way
[08:24] <HollowPoint> lol zeno that would probably work yes, I don't actually use ktorrent so I wouldn't know where to look for an option to turn off errors, not to mention I'm still on 8.04 with good ol KDE 3.5.9
[08:24] <heyho> nope. I haven't changed anything. the OS is still vanilla unless moving around the panel and getting rid of the desktop folderview caused the error heh.
[08:25] <favro> heyho: try ctrl+c to kill it and go with your first choice of a reboot - but if the networking won't restart...
 weird, my laptop isn't refreshing available networks. I turned off my wireless security and laptop still shows it as being secured... time for a reboot!
[08:25] <zeno> HollowPoint: damn its using 1.5 GB memory too
[08:25] <heyho> alright. rebooting
[08:25] <HollowPoint> heyho you didn't edit the /etc/network/interfaces file at any point before the upgrade did you?
[08:26] <heyho> not that I knew of
[08:26] <heyho> maybe it's best I just do a clean install?
[08:26] <HollowPoint> so you never had to change it to make your wireless work?
[08:26] <heyho> well everything I tried previously I did through the GUI
[08:26] <zeno> HollowPoint: my friend in korea got a uncapped gigabit for 35 a month :(
[08:26] <HollowPoint> that can sometimes be the best option in terms of time but you learn nothing from it really
[08:26] <zeno> h8 usa broadband
[08:27] <HollowPoint> Mines uncapped I suppose now that we changed to xNet but we pay per MB, which sucks
[08:27] <heyho> heh well I figure I won't completely break anything if I'm constrained within the GUI
[08:27] <heyho> great.. now my computer won't turn off
[08:27] <HollowPoint> lmao
[08:27] <HollowPoint> sorry
[08:27] <HollowPoint> sudo shutdown -r now
[08:27] <heyho> this happened the first time I rebooted too but I thought it was an isolated incident
[08:28] <mike-solidus> hey i'm trying to upgrade from the beta and it says adept_manager is not a known command
[08:28] <heyho> all it's showing is a black screen with mouse.. any way to get to a command prompt?
[08:28] <HollowPoint> when you click on Adept in the menu it says that? Or are you trying to run the command manually?
[08:28] <favro> heyho: ctrl+alt+F2 might work
[08:28] <heyho> wait nvm. ctrl alt backspace worked
[08:28] <favro> k
[08:29] <HollowPoint> lol always good
[08:29] <HollowPoint> if all else fails use a kill shortcut :D
[08:29] <HollowPoint> mike-solidus: ?
[08:31] <mike-solidus> HallowPoint: I'm trying to follow the isntructions to upgrade, not sure if i have to, i was using the 8.10 beta, but now that its released want to make sure i'm using the stable version. When i attempt to run kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade", it claims that the command is not found, checked in a terminal and the command adept_manager is not a known command
[08:31] <mike-solidus> also, whats the package name to install the c++ man pages?
[08:31] <heyho> mike-solidus: that's the exact same command I used to upgrade so it worked for me.
[08:32] <mike-solidus> sudo: adept_manager: command not found
[08:32] <HollowPoint> yeah sudo won't work for graphical programs
[08:32] <ardchoille> iirc, there is no adept_manager in intrepid
[08:33] <ardchoille> it's just adept now
[08:33] <HollowPoint> are you typing kdesudo or kdesu btw?
[08:33] <Eruaran> and it sucks
[08:33] <HollowPoint> because it should be kdesu
[08:33] <Eruaran> kdesudo
[08:33] <mike-solidus> HallowPoint i think its because there is no adept manager anymore, i'm using kdesudo but it says the command can not be found as well
[08:33] <HollowPoint> like I said, kdesu not kdesudo
[08:34] <JackWinter> i just installed a fresh 8.10 on my laptop, there is a postit and a the desktop.  but in addition i see something flickering, seems like it is continously (every few seconds) trying to open some window and then failing or closing it...?
[08:34] <ardchoille> HollowPoint: what's the output of this?  file /usr/bin/kdesu
[08:34] <Eruaran> JackWinter: like, ever 10 seconds ?
[08:34] <HollowPoint> why do you ask ardchoille?
[08:34] <JackWinter> Eruaran: could be
[08:34] <zeno> any ktorrent users here?
[08:35]  * Eruaran uses ktorrent
[08:35] <heyho> great... I've rebooted and I'm encountering the same problem
[08:35] <ardchoille> HollowPoint: Because I wanted to know if it was just a symlink to kdesudo
[08:35] <ardchoille> :)
[08:35] <zeno> Eruaran: do you know how to 1. turn error you are already downloading... error or 2. how to find whats causing them and delete the dupe torrents?
[08:35] <Eruaran> JackWinter: I've seen that but not on my own system... the system I saw it on had a 9800GT, which I think might have had something to do with it
[08:35] <HollowPoint> lol put it this way, kdesudo returns an error for me, so symlink or not kdesudo reports an error, kdesu opens adept
[08:36] <HollowPoint> yeah there are issues with Nvidia proprietary drivers in 8.10
[08:36] <JackWinter> Eruaran: this is an onboard intel 910 or some such
[08:36] <zeno> HollowPoint: like what? i haver the nvid drivers
[08:36] <heyho> anyone have any final ideas for me to try? otherwise I'm going to do a clean install tomorrow
[08:37] <zeno> heyho: whats the prob
[08:37] <HollowPoint> zeno they don't work properly supposedly, have you checked in your xorg.conf that your driver hasn't been automatically changed to nv or vesa? i.e. did you manually install your nvidia drivers or was this an upgrade?
[08:38] <heyho> zeno: upgraded to 8.10 just now and the network manager isn't working and by working I mean it's not doing anything
[08:38] <zeno> HollowPoint: upgrade, and its loaded and in use according to restricted drivers app
[08:39] <favro> heyho: what is in the /etc/network/interfaces file?
[08:39] <zeno> heyho: turn off manual config
[08:39] <HollowPoint> heyho just out of curiosity have you done a sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade since the upgrade itself finished?
[08:39] <zeno> heyho: add a network with its gui
[08:39] <Eruaran> JackWinter: I'm having a look at this page at the moment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/278471
[08:39] <Zet> what the hell is wrong with the finnish keyboard layout in 8.§0
[08:39] <zeno> heyho: its annoying to get working but once you do easier
[08:39] <Zet> 8.10, that is
[08:39] <HollowPoint> zeno what card you using?
[08:39] <zeno> HollowPoint: 8800gts
[08:39] <Zet> I can't seem to type the dollar sign or the pipe character in konsole or xterm
[08:40] <Eruaran> zeno: sorry not familiar with that problem
[08:40] <HollowPoint> interesting, you must have one lucky system, errors reported all over the web for Nvidia drivers not working with the new xorg
[08:40] <JackWinter> Eruaran: thanks, that sounds like the same i'm seeing.  gonna go read that thread no
[08:41] <heyho> interfaces says: auto lo | iface lo inet loopback | address 127.0.0.1 | netmask 255.0.0.0
[08:41] <BleSS> I've not internet conection since 8.10 live-cd, how fix it? the problem is by network-manager
[08:41] <zeno> upgrade was a breeze except for freaking ktorrent
[08:42] <heyho> HollowPoint: I didn't. Completely forgot to try ethernet to see if it would work
[08:42] <zeno> heyho: just use dhcp
[08:42] <zeno> heyho: do it via gui not /etc/network/interfaces
[08:42] <heyho> oh. err, care to explain? I'm a noob =)
[08:43] <zeno> heyho: BleSS right click, enable everything, hit connect to network
[08:43] <Eruaran> JackWinter: looks like there's progress being made there
[08:46] <heyho> zeno: right click where?
[08:46] <HollowPoint> on the network manager icon
[08:46] <zeno> heyho: networkmanager applet
[08:48] <heyho> I don't see an option to "enable everything"
[08:49] <Eruaran> I'm trying to install the latest beta of Amarok 2
[08:49] <Eruaran> I've added the repository but its not there !!!
[08:49] <zeno> heyho: enable wireless then enable networking
[08:49] <Eruaran> (yes I've updated)
[08:50] <V1psta> Hello, Can I go from Ubuntu -> Kubuntu without having to make changes to files/folders/programs ?
[08:50] <heyho> zeno: oh sorry.. I just found the network manager..... I was looking at the globe on the taskbar..
[08:50] <zeno> V1psta: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop then log out and choose session type kde
[08:50] <V1psta> thanks
[08:51] <zeno> heyho: use the globe on taskbar
[08:51] <V1psta> and if I want to go from Kubuntu -> Ubuntu go to session type bde? right?
[08:51] <V1psta> zeno ^ sry
[08:51] <larsivi> is there anything known that makes KDE3 programs not being persisted over sessions (Konversation and Basket) ?
[08:51] <zeno> V1psta: then go to session type gnome
[08:51] <V1psta> zeno: thanks
[08:51] <heyho> zeno: yeah, the problem is that it's not responsive. I can delete and find my router but it simply won't connect
[08:52] <zeno> heyho: the manual config has to be disabled did you do that
[08:52] <hoonteke> kmail: the quote indicate is carot space.  Is there a way to make it only add a space if it's a first-level quotation?
[08:52] <hoonteke> e.g. in thunderbird, it would be '> some text', then '>> some text',
[08:53] <hoonteke> but in kmail, it appears to either be '>some text', then '>>some text', .... or '> some text', then '> > some text'
[08:53] <zeno> hoonteke: is there a need to have it that way?
[08:53] <hoonteke> zeno, I want it like thunderbird
[08:53] <Eruaran> Adept fails
[08:54] <Eruaran> Can't install amarok-kde4 from adept
[08:54] <hoonteke> umm, yes? what do you mean?
[08:54] <Eruaran> doesnt show up
[08:54] <Eruaran> go to a bash prompt and use apt-get and its there
[08:54] <Eruaran> installing now
[08:54] <zeno> Eruaran: sudo aptitude install amarok (i think kde4 version is default for 8.10)
[08:55] <Eruaran> zeno: kde4 version isn't default for 8.10, and I'm installing the latest beta of Amarok 2 now... But Adept was a massive fail.
[08:56] <heyho> .....
[08:56] <heyho> ok well I somehow froze it
[08:56] <heyho> so I reboot. now the wireless works..
[08:56] <Eruaran> The new Adept is nicer looking but I don't know what anyone was thinking with the redesigned interface... its a usability failure.
[08:57] <Eruaran> And... it doesn't work properly
[09:00] <zeno> Eruaran: well use aptitude or apt-get
[09:01] <Eruaran> zeno: I did
[09:01] <zeno> work?
[09:01] <Eruaran> yes
[09:02] <JackWinter> Eruaran: thanks disabling the monitor change service solved my flickering.
[09:02] <Eruaran> JackWinter: cool :)
[09:03] <Eruaran> zeno: Adept is broken though
[09:11] <heyho> zeno: thanks a lot for your help. rebooted again and it seems to be working fine now. not exactly sure what I did though.
[09:12] <zeno> heyho: :) if it works whateva
[09:12] <exia_> hey guys..
[09:14] <comedit> I have VMware server 2 installed on a kubuntu 64 bit machine
[09:14] <comedit> 	<comedit>	I tried to connect yesterday somehow the browser interface does not connect me
[09:14] <comedit> 	<comedit>	it is installed on the standard 8222 port
[09:14] <comedit> 	<comedit>	I have restarted my machine as well
[09:14] <comedit> 	<comedit>	did not help
[09:14] <comedit> 	<comedit>	anybody a clue
[09:35] <chris__> may someone help me with a configporblem on KDE? In Systemcontrol->Spellchecker there are no options, althrough I got aspell and ispell installed
[09:37] <Eruaran> This is getting worse
[09:37] <Eruaran> Now Konqueror tabs are incorrect
[09:39] <Eruaran> I'm a die hard KDE fan and Kubuntu user since 2005... but this is not good.
[09:40]  * Eruaran starts up the bug report wizard
[09:44] <irina_r> Eruaran: good, saves me the trouble :-)
[09:47] <V1psta> Hello
[09:48] <V1psta> Im trying to move some thing around on my bottom bar
[09:48] <Eruaran> irina_r: I'm checking to see if it has already been reported first, if it has I'll confirm it. Otherwise I'll make a new bug report.
[09:48] <V1psta> like the window bar, etc. I just want to move everything except the task bar, help?
[09:49] <jussi01> V1psta: right click the bar, then panel options, you can now drag and drop. :9
[09:50] <V1psta> there isnt a panel options :(
[09:50] <V1psta> panel settings
[09:50] <jussi01> V1psta: yeah, sorry
[09:50] <exia_> the same
[09:50] <V1psta> sorry, just a little drunk
[09:50] <V1psta> i cant move to other bars
[09:50] <V1psta> thats what im trying to do
[09:51] <jussi01> V1psta: no you need to remove it from 1 the re add it to the other
[09:51] <aguitel> hello, how create launcher in desktop ?
[09:51] <V1psta> its very cluttered
[09:51] <V1psta> can i atleast move my vitual desktops somewere?
[09:51] <V1psta> icons?
[09:51] <V1psta> etc.
[09:51] <jussi01> aguitel: same as one in your menu?
[09:51] <exia_> aguitel: a widget one?
[09:51] <shoaib> hi
[09:52] <aguitel> jussi01: NOT
[09:52] <jussi01> aguitel: so just a normal file?
[09:53] <V1psta> jussi01: Can I atleast move some of these icons somwere else?
[09:53] <aguitel> jussi01: need to launch this:xset dpms force off
[09:53] <aguitel> jussi01: this commnad:xset dpms force off
[09:54] <jussi01> V1psta: first, best to do this sober ;) second you can remove them, then use the add widgets to drag and drop to the other bar...
[09:56] <exia_> aguitel, in gnome its just right click on the desktop then create launcher ... and you enter there whatever you want
[09:56] <floown> hello
[09:56] <aguitel> exia_: exact
[09:56] <aguitel> exia_: in kde4 ?
[09:56] <floown> what's the program I should launch to activate my graphic card for 3D?
[09:57] <exia_> aguitel, i don't know, sry, but i think i'll try to figure out it too
[09:58] <jussi01> floown: which graphics card?
[09:58] <floown> nvidia jussi01
[09:58] <jussi01> floown: again, which one
[09:58] <floown> 8600 gt ?
[09:59] <shoaib> Anybody knows how2 get Yahoo Messenger in UBUNTU
[09:59] <shoaib> plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[09:59] <shoaib> tel meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[09:59] <jussi01> ok, :) kmenu - seystem - hardware drivers
[09:59] <shoaib> i have ended up in this window.................
[09:59] <jussi01> floown: ^^
[09:59] <jussi01> shoaib: launch a program called kopete
[09:59] <floown> ok, 3D is activated by default :)
[10:00] <jussi01> floown: likely - it usually pops up
[10:01] <Eruaran> shoaib: Are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu ?
[10:01] <shoaib> Ubuntu
[10:01] <shoaib> Eruaran im using UBUNTU
[10:01] <shoaib> 8.04
[10:01] <shoaib> HARDY
[10:02] <aguitel> jussi01: and
[10:02] <Eruaran> shoaib: Ok, you can use Pidgin for Yahoo
[10:02] <dr_willis> !im
[10:02] <shoaib> I Tried Pidgin but it seems than none support VOICE CHAT
[10:03] <VinciWu> Hi, anyone know witch folder is the plasma theme download to?
[10:03] <shoaib> i downloaded Gyachi, but its showing some Compability issues
[10:03] <dr_willis> You never mentioned voice chat till just now.. :P
[10:03] <shoaib> Please guys help me out
[10:03] <shoaib> Im new to UBUNTU
[10:04]  * dr_willis wonders why peple want to voice chat on IM clients.. and send text messages on their cellphones.
[10:04] <shoaib> Lets wonder about it later willis, now plz help me with this plzz... will u
[10:05] <favro> shoaib: were did you d/load it from - it isn't in the repos
[10:05] <shoaib> Coz Voice on IM is FREE and Text Message on Phone is FREE
[10:05] <shoaib> i downloaded gyachi from Google Search
[10:05] <dr_willis> txt messaging on phone is definatly not free around here...
[10:06] <dr_willis> Ive no idea what im clients do voice other then skype
[10:06] <shoaib> hmmm but its free in here
[10:06] <dr_willis> Some of them do support voice/cams i recall. but i dont use any of them
[10:06] <shoaib> So Skype is in the Repos  ? ? ?
[10:06] <favro> google search couldn't be any more vague...
[10:06] <dr_willis> Skype is in the meduibuntu repos
[10:06] <dr_willis> !medibuntu
[10:07] <shoaib> Im looking through it ubottu...
[10:07] <mmo|> Am I the only one having the problem that keyboard shortcuts to e.g. konsole is not working in 8.10?
[10:08] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo yo
[10:08] <Eruaran> shoaib: Skype will give you voice chat but not with Yahoo
[10:09] <shoaib> so what does Skype support ?
[10:09] <shoaib> Yahoo?
[10:09] <Eruaran> Skype supports Skype
[10:09] <ActionParsnip1> !skype
[10:10] <ActionParsnip1> Eruaran: gyache does voice in yahoo
[10:10] <mmo|> Anyone? Do none of you have problems assigning a keyboard shortcut to Konsole in 8.10?
[10:10] <Eruaran> ActionParsnip1: ok
[10:10] <shoaib> So do i need to create a new account or something for Skype
[10:10] <jussi01> shoaib: check out gizmo: http://gizmo5.com/pc/
[10:10] <shoaib> Euaran i downloaded Gyache but its showing problems
[10:11] <dr_willis> !info gyache
[10:11] <shoaib> In Hardy it is
[10:11] <ActionParsnip1> http://gyachi.sourceforge.net/
[10:11] <shoaib> Dependency is not satisfiable..... This error i get
[10:12] <dr_willis> !info GYachI
[10:12] <dr_willis> Yep..  No Ubuntu Loving at their download site. :()
[10:12] <dr_willis> perhaps a ppa repo exists for it
[10:13] <shoaib> could u tell it more clearly plz
[10:13] <dr_willis> http://ubuntusite.com/meebo-webcam-and-voice-chat-im-support-for-linux/
[10:14] <ActionParsnip1> dr_willis: could easily compile source
[10:14] <dr_willis> 'ppa' are  Unoffical repositories of software.
[10:14] <ActionParsnip1> or find a repo with debs
[10:15] <dr_willis> or try the debian debs.
[10:15] <dr_willis> http://ubuntusite.com/gyachie-yahoo-messenger-for-linux/   is what this guy did
[10:15] <dr_willis> but again.. they are a bit out of date.
[10:15] <shoaib> i got the source code fot Gyachi
[10:15] <shoaib> could anyone tell how to compile it
[10:16] <exia_> aguitel, did you solve ur problem?
[10:16] <dr_willis> !compile
[10:16] <shoaib> in the install read me, it given to execute this first - 	./autogen.sh
[10:16] <dr_willis> install 'build-essential' packages first.
[10:17] <dr_willis> and you will proberly need a dozen other **-dev packages also for the dependencies
[10:17] <shoaib> but notin is workin
[10:17] <shoaib> you Guys really rock
[10:17] <shoaib> whats the difference between Ubuntu & Kubuntu
[10:17] <aguitel> exia_: yes
[10:18] <ActionParsnip1> !compile
[10:18] <exia_> aguitel, how?
[10:18] <ActionParsnip1> shoaib: ubuntu uses gnome desktop with metacity window manager, kubuntu uses kde desktop with kwin window manager'
[10:18] <aguitel> exia_: i add item using kmenu
[10:18] <dr_willis> OR one looks at the PPA repos and finds ------>  https://launchpad.net/~loell/+archive  that has gyachi
[10:19] <ActionParsnip1> shoaib: you can install apps from either system on both but installing gnome apps will also install gnome libs if you are running kubuntu
[10:19] <mmo|> Is it possible to change the kde4 taskbar color?
[10:19] <larsivi> mmo|: only via the them I think
[10:19] <larsivi> *theme
[10:19] <shoaib> metacity ? ?? ?
[10:19] <ActionParsnip1> shoaib: yeah, the ubuntu window manager is metacity
[10:19] <shoaib> how can i get xmma
[10:19] <shoaib> how can i get xmms
[10:19] <dr_willis> Linux -Runs -> X -> runs the desktop..
[10:20] <ActionParsnip1> !xmms
[10:20] <dr_willis> shoaib,  compile it..  or look for PPA repositories.. is one way
[10:20] <dr_willis> theres a guide on compileing it.
[10:20] <exia_> aguitel, well.. i guess you could also create a shell script for that ^^
[10:20] <mmo|> larsivi: Where do I change the theme?
[10:20] <larsivi> mmo|: probably in system settings
[10:20] <shoaib> vb.shoaib@gmail.com , this is my Id...
[10:20] <shoaib> pls help me with some thing..
[10:21] <exia_> aguitel, also i dunno how to use that kmenu so that would be a good way to figure out with this problem
[10:21] <ActionParsnip1> shoaib: you can run any window manager ontop of gnome, i love fluxbox myself
[10:21] <shoaib> i utterly need your help...
[10:21] <shoaib> i got to go now.
[10:21] <shoaib> i will come back later..
[10:21] <aguitel> exia_: kde4 is beatifull but i change again to gnome because is very sample and usefull
[10:21] <shoaib> Thanks Guys
[10:21] <dr_willis> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Hardy#Installing_XMMS
[10:21] <shoaib> UBUNTU Rocks
[10:21] <dr_willis> this is Kubuntu :)
[10:21] <aguitel> exia_: gnome is more intuitive
[10:21] <dr_willis> heh
[10:21] <exia_> aguitel, completely agree^^
[10:21] <aguitel> exia_: do you think?
[10:22] <dr_willis> i find some parts of gnome not very intuituve.. but then again.. intuition changes with experience
[10:22] <ActionParsnip1> aguitel: fluxbox can run alongside gnome, you are mixing desktop environment with window manager
[10:23] <ActionParsnip1> its very common
[10:23] <aguitel> the task manager is not working in kde4 !!!!
[10:23] <dr_willis> GnomeBox :P
[10:23] <ActionParsnip1> aguitel: ps -ef
[10:25] <exia_> ActionParsnip1: is there a gui for this? like show system activity
[10:25] <ActionParsnip1> exia_: no idea, i always use cli
[10:29] <floown> alt + F2 does not work now with Intrepid Ibex, I miss a paquet?
[10:29] <ActionParsnip1> floown: maybe check its configured in keyboard shortcuts
[10:30] <exia_> yeah, at me it works perfect
[10:32] <floown> ActionParsnip1: where it is please?
[10:33] <ActionParsnip1> !keyboard
[10:33] <ActionParsnip1> !shortcuts
[10:33] <exia_> ubottu...
[10:33] <exia_> i was just entering the text of question about multimedia keys ^^
[10:33] <exia_> thank you very much
[10:37] <jussi01> ubottu: is a bot
[10:37] <ActionParsnip1> i love you ubottu
[10:38] <ActionParsnip1> !paste > carlinhos
[10:38] <ActionParsnip1> !paste
[10:39] <chris__> May somebody help me. I want to activate Sonnet (the new Spellchecker-API) on KDE4. How do I do that?
[10:39] <ActionParsnip1> !info sonnet
[10:39] <ActionParsnip1> !sonnet
[10:40] <chris__> Kspell seems to be replaced by sonnet. I want to activte a spell-checker on my new Kubuntu
[10:41] <j3j5> hi!
[10:41] <j3j5> good morning!
[10:43] <Benjism89> hi everybody !
[10:43] <Benjism89> may anyone help me
[10:44] <j3j5> someone here has Kubuntu 8.10??
[10:44] <Benjism89> I've just upgraded from Kubuntu Hardy to Kubuntu Intrepid
[10:44] <ActionParsnip1> !ask | Benjism89
[10:44] <Tm_T> j3j5: most of us I guess
[10:44] <ActionParsnip1> j3j5: just ask
[10:45] <Benjism89> I've just upgraded from Kubuntu Hardy to Kubuntu Intrepid and I've just been able to boot one time : now the screen is black after I log in to Kubuntu
[10:45] <ActionParsnip1> Benjism89: does ctrl+alt+backspace sort it?
[10:45] <Benjism89> I haven't tried that ... What would then be the reason for it ?
[10:47] <Benjism89> ok I'll try anyway
[10:47] <j3j5> I've a little problem, when I start my PC with the live CD, Kubuntu doesn't start, it's impossible boot with X
[10:48] <j3j5> I tried startx & startkde and both fails
[10:48] <j3j5> (sorry for my english, I'm learning)
[10:48] <ActionParsnip1> j3j5: have you tried disabling acpi and dma before booting the live cd?
[10:48] <j3j5> from Bios?
[10:49] <ActionParsnip1> j3j5: from the kernel options
[10:49] <ActionParsnip1> !bootoptions
[10:49] <dr_willis> so the KDM login screen works? and you can login?
[10:49] <ActionParsnip1> j3j5: id also hit the bios and disable any unnecessary hardwrae
[10:50] <j3j5> thanks! I'll try!
[10:50] <j3j5> altough I've a log from Xorg
[10:50] <j3j5> where can I paste the log for show you?
[10:51] <j3j5> any website known?
[10:54] <ActionParsnip1> !paste | j3j5
[10:55] <Benjism89> ActionParsnip1:didn't work
[10:55] <j3j5> thanks ubottu, I was looking for this website, but I didn't remember, for that reason I asked.
[10:57] <j3j5> look this, it is my Xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/67257/
[10:57] <j3j5> at the end is (I think) the problem
[10:57] <j3j5> but I don't know how solve it.
[10:58] <ActionParsnip1> j3j5: try fixing xorg from recovery menu in grub
[10:58] <j3j5> how can I do that?
[10:58] <j3j5> sorry, I know
[10:59] <j3j5> but this is an error with the live CD
[10:59] <j3j5> I can start my Kubuntu 8.04 without problems
[11:00] <ActionParsnip1> j3j5: does fixing the xorg make things ok?
[11:02] <Benjism89> ActionParsnip1:do you have an idea what my problem, which seems to be graphical, can be due to, and how to solve it ?
[11:02] <ActionParsnip1> Benjism89: what happened, what are wwe trying to resolve?
[11:03] <j3j5> sorry, I don't understand you, how can I do that?
[11:03] <zer0o> hi guys, if i go to "find file" it tells me "malformed URL" what does it mean?
[11:04] <Benjism89> ActionParnsnip1:I just upgraded to Intrepid and I have only be able to start one time Kubuntu. Now the screen goes black after I log in, and all I can do is reboot with shortkeys.
[11:04] <ActionParsnip1> j3j5: reboot and press esc when prompted, you will then choose your current kernel and then select fix xserver or xorg or however its worded
[11:04] <ActionParsnip1> Benjism89: check system logs to see whats going on
[11:05] <j3j5> but, that is from the instalation CD??
[11:06] <Benjism89> ActionParsnip1:looks like it's a graphical problem ... the logs say it tried several screen sizes which failed, and after it goes black
[11:06] <ActionParsnip1> j3j5: did you md5 check the downloaded iso and cd once it was burned?
[11:06] <j3j5> no, I didn't, it's a good idea
[11:06] <ActionParsnip1> Benjism89: try repairing the xserver with recovery mode in grub
[11:06] <j3j5> I'm going to try that
[11:07] <j3j5> thanks, after I tell you
[11:07] <ActionParsnip1> j3j5: you should ALWAYS check them, tcp is good at ensuring data is accurate but data corruption especially for operating systems can cause errors
[11:07] <ActionParsnip1> j3j5: they dont make md5 hashes for kicks you know :D
[11:07] <Benjism89> ActionParsnip1:how do I repair it ?
[11:07] <ActionParsnip1> !md5 | j3j5
[11:08] <ActionParsnip1> Benjism89: reboot, press esc when prompted and select recovery for your kernel
[11:08] <Benjism89> ActionParsnip1:ok, and after ? that's all ?
[11:09] <j3j5> thanks ubottu, I know how do it, it's just I didn't do it, thanks, I'll try.
[11:10] <ActionParsnip1> Benjism89: then select repair xserver or fix xorg or similar, it'll be on the screen, just read
[11:10]  * ActionParsnip1 puts away his spoon
[11:10] <Benjism89> ok ActionParsnip1 thanks a lot I'm gonna try :)
[11:13] <basti> does anyone know if there is new site for kbfx?
[11:13] <basti> kbfx.org seems to be sold
[11:14] <ActionParsnip1> maybe http://www.linuxlots.com/~siraj/kde/plugin/home/
[11:16] <brandon_> can anyone help a NOOB get write permissions so that I can change my resolution and reefresh rates for my nvidia card?
[11:16] <ActionParsnip1> brandon_: sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[11:16] <ActionParsnip1> brandon_: you need that app
[11:16] <basti> not really. i am looking for some plugins. does anyone know, where to get them?
[11:17] <ActionParsnip1> basti: plugins for what? pidgin, firefox, mplayer????
[11:17] <basti> kbfx...
[11:17] <basti> thought that would be clear when i firs asked for that
[11:18] <faileas> anyone knows of a VM software which i can do a simulated boot off a actual USB drive? i got a few projects that need me installing OSes to USB hard drives...
[11:18] <brandon_> ActionParsnip I have that app, but when i enable the card I get just a black screen and I haven't found how to change these settings from a term
[11:19] <ActionParsnip1> faileas: id imagine you could mount the usb stick as the virtaul systems internal drive and install to that
[11:19] <larsivi> brandon_: do you have drivers installed?
[11:19] <faileas> ActionParsnip1: naw. i need to test if a certain setup will work, and i can't spare an actual PC to do it
[11:19] <ActionParsnip1> brandon_: you need to install drivers for the nvidia card as well as the app
[11:20] <brandon_> not at the moment becacause everytime I do I get a black screen even with nvidia cards and app
[11:20] <brandon_> this happens whe I reboot
[11:20] <faileas> ActionParsnip1: specifically attempting installing to USB an OS and seeing if it works
[11:20] <brandon_> *when
[11:20] <ActionParsnip1> faileas: im suprised, you could symlink the virtualbox folder to the mounted usb, it would then store the machine
[11:20] <ActionParsnip1> !usb
[11:20] <exia_> can anyone advice me something like flashfxp for ubuntu? but now kftpgrabber... just some distr that can auto-reconnect
[11:20] <exia_> but not*
[11:21] <basti> exia_, filezilla?
[11:22] <exia_> basti thanks^^ i'll try it
[11:22] <faileas> ActionParsnip1: its not an ubuntu install i'm looking at. i DO have vmware (on a windows box) and i was thinking of trying virtualbox, but i really need to replicate a USB boot in the same way it would do on native hardware
[11:23] <ActionParsnip1> faileas: the second link tells you how to install the OS to a usb stick so you can carry the installed system in your pocket
[11:23] <faileas> ActionParsnip1: my target OS is not ubuntu
[11:24] <ubuntu> Hi
[11:24] <Benjism89> ActionParsnip1 : XServer recovery told me : "xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possible-customised configuration file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg_conf...."
[11:24] <ActionParsnip1> faileas: what OS?
[11:24] <ActionParsnip1> Benjism89: yep its writing you a new one
[11:24] <faileas> ActionParsnip1: windows...
[11:25] <faileas> ActionParsnip1: there's a specific, very hackish way to do so
[11:25] <ActionParsnip1> faileas: then http://www.ngine.de/article/id/8
[11:25] <niunio> Need help with Grub. It doesn't show the menu (error #22 IIRC). Right now I'm using the Kubuntu CD.
[11:25] <ActionParsnip1> faileas: id ask in ##windows
[11:25] <faileas> ActionParsnip1: yeah. thats the howto i am gonna use.
[11:25] <Benjism89> ActionParsnip1:yes but it doesn't change anything, still bugs
[11:25] <Benjism89> ActionParsnip1:but this repairs the OS ? not KDE, does it ?
[11:26] <Benjism89> (cause GNOME works)
[11:26] <faileas> ActionParsnip1: well, my specific issue right now is finding a VM software which allows me to boot from a attached USB device so i can do the whole process without dedicating a computer to it
[11:26] <ActionParsnip1> Benjism89: hmm, id check memory for issues then (also part of the menu you used earlier)
[11:26] <faileas> and my main box *is* ubuntu
[11:26] <faileas> *kubuntu
[11:26] <Benjism89> ok
[11:27] <niunio> Hello. I need help with Grub. It doesn't show the menu (error #22 IIRC). Right now I'm using the Kubuntu CD.
[11:27] <niunio> I was reinstaling Kubuntu Hardy...
[11:28] <ActionParsnip1> niunio: what does error 22 mean?
[11:28] <niunio> Don't know.
[11:28] <niunio> The Hardy installer was freezed at 82%
[11:28] <ActionParsnip1> niunio: well go find out and you may find some answers
[11:28] <brandon_> Can anyone tell me how to get write permission so that I can alter my xorg.config file?
[11:29] <ActionParsnip1> niunio: did you md5 check the iso you downloaded as well as check the cd for defects?
[11:29] <niunio> brandon_: use sudo.
[11:29] <ActionParsnip1> brandon_: kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:29] <dr_willis> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf :) for console geeks
[11:29] <niunio> I was checked the CD and it said it's Ok
[11:29] <brandon_> thanks
[11:29]  * ActionParsnip1 loves nano
[11:30] <niunio> Can I download a new ISO and create a new CD from the Kubuntu Live CD?
[11:31] <ActionParsnip1> niunio: as long as you have sufficient ram to store the iso
[11:31] <niunio> Mmm...
[11:31] <ActionParsnip1> you could fsck your drives in live cd to make sure they are healthy
[11:31] <favro> !fsck
[11:31] <niunio> Ok. I'll use fsck right now.
[11:32] <j3j5> thanks guys, my ISO was corrupted, I'm downloading again and then I'll try again
[11:33] <j3j5> thank you very much!!
[11:33] <j3j5> bye!
[11:33] <favro> the sudo shutdown -F -r now is very handy
[11:33] <dr_willis> alias Panic='sudo shutdown -F -r now'
[11:33] <ActionParsnip1> j3j5: the guides all say md5 check
[11:33] <dr_willis> :)
[11:33] <favro> hehe
[11:33] <ActionParsnip1> j3j5: dowanloads arent always 100%
[11:34] <j3j5> yeah, yeah, I know
[11:34] <j3j5> but I'm so happy with my new version and I can't wait :P
[11:34] <j3j5> jejejeje
[11:34] <j3j5> thanks for all, equally!
[11:34] <niunio> favro: can't use shutdown -F -r now because GRUB doesn't show the menu!
[11:34] <ActionParsnip1> np
[11:35] <niunio> Ok. fsck said the filesystem is Ok. I'll reboot to see what error returns GRUB, then I'll thell you.
[11:35] <niunio> See you.
[11:36] <gan-xiaofei> who know how to update to kde 4.1.2 for ubuntu 8.10
[11:37] <ActionParsnip1> !kde4
[11:37] <larsivi> gan-xiaofei: if you have 8.10, you have 4.1.2
[11:37] <gan-xiaofei> but i think it can not be run well
[11:38] <ActionParsnip1> gan-xiaofei: try it, you can always switch back to 3.5
[11:38] <VinciWu> hi, i can't change icon of my account
[11:38] <ActionParsnip1> if you want your desktop to run well instal fluxbox
[11:38] <gan-xiaofei>  i have a problem
[11:38] <VinciWu> the system say the adim don't allow me to change
[11:38] <gan-xiaofei> i can not change the number of desktop
[11:39] <gan-xiaofei> it always have 2 desktops
[11:41] <ActionParsnip1> gan-xiaofei: in compiz?
[11:41] <gan-xiaofei> yeah
[11:42] <gan-xiaofei> the desktop cube can not be realized
[11:42] <dr_willis> one must use the ccsm tool general tab to set the # of desktops to get cubeish # of desktops
[11:43]  * dr_willis finds the cube useless
[11:43] <Niunio> Hi. Its me again
[11:43] <Niunio> The GRUB output is:
[11:43] <Niunio> *is just Error 22
[11:44] <Niunio> I'm looking for it in Google.
[11:44] <gan-xiaofei> is it a bug
[11:45] <Niunio> A bug?
[11:45] <gan-xiaofei> can not change the number of desktop
[11:45] <gan-xiaofei> is this a bug
[11:47] <dr_willis> CCSM has several ways of storeing its configs.. kde4 may of changed that.
[11:47] <dr_willis> You may need to set it to save its configs in a 'flatfile' format in the options
[11:47] <dr_willis> Personally - i dont use compiz + kde4
[11:48] <gan-xiaofei> but i do not know how to use the CCSM
[11:49] <gan-xiaofei> it does not display well
[11:49] <gan-xiaofei> but i have updated the Graphics driver to the latest
[11:50] <ActionParsnip1> gan-xiaofei: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[11:50] <ActionParsnip1> gan-xiaofei: you done that?
[11:50] <gan-xiaofei> yeah
[11:50] <ActionParsnip1> gan-xiaofei: then id ask in ##compiz
[11:50] <gan-xiaofei> to the nvidia 178.0
[11:51] <gan-xiaofei> yeah
[11:51] <gan-xiaofei> it's latest
[11:55] <gan-xiaofei> how to update kde to latest in command
[11:55] <SlimeyPete> gan-xiaofei: what do you mean by "latest"?
[11:55] <SlimeyPete> KDE4? KDE3.5.9?
[11:55] <gan-xiaofei> kde 4.12
[11:56] <gan-xiaofei> or i want to repair it
[11:57] <larsivi> gan-xiaofei: unless you have very specific compiz needs, you should use kwin
[11:57] <SlimeyPete> try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kde4"
[11:57] <gan-xiaofei> i will have a try
[11:58] <SlimeyPete> though... hrm... might need to be kde4-base or something
[11:58] <SlimeyPete> depends which bit's broken
[11:58] <villoni> !fr
[11:58] <gan-xiaofei> i think compiz has no problem
[11:59] <gan-xiaofei> it run well in gnome
[11:59] <dr_willis> i dont even find compiz running well in gnome.. :)
[12:00] <dr_willis> but compiz is a bit more designed/tested to work with gnome. then kde or kde4
[12:00] <leaf_> Can compiz running on Fluxbox?
[12:00] <gan-xiaofei> "Desktop effects" can be run well too
[12:01] <gan-xiaofei> what is fluxbox
[12:01] <dr_willis> leaf_,  No.
[12:01] <dr_willis> compiz replaces the normal window manager.
[12:01] <dr_willis> so it replaces kwin, in kde, or metacity in gnome.
[12:01] <dr_willis> and since fluxbox IS the window manager.. :) theres not a lot to fluxbox for it to replace.. other then the whole thing
[12:01] <ActionParsnip1> thats why when you wanna turn off compiz you type kwin --replace
[12:02] <leaf_> So, fluxbox doesn't have a windows manager, sorry, I'm new to Fluxbox
[12:02] <leaf_> Oh, Okay
[12:02] <SlimeyPete> leaf_: fluxbox *is* a window manager
[12:02] <dr_willis> Fluxbox IS a window manager.. it is NOT a 'desktop'
[12:02] <SlimeyPete> so compiz would replace fluxbox
[12:02] <ActionParsnip1> you can have fluxbox managing kde apps
[12:02] <ActionParsnip1> SlimeyPete: yes
[12:02] <dr_willis> Linux = all about layers and layers of programs
[12:03] <leaf_> So, when I'm running Fluxbox, the windows manager is X11, right?
[12:03] <dr_willis> No...
[12:03] <SlimeyPete> leaf_: no, the window manager is fluxbox.
[12:03] <dr_willis> X is the foundation of the GUI. :)
[12:03] <ActionParsnip1> fluxbox is the windows manager
[12:03] <leaf_> I'm quite confused with all these...window managers
[12:03] <ActionParsnip1> if you installed kubuntu your DESKTOP is KDE
[12:04] <dr_willis> Linux runs -> X -> runs Window manager -> runs exra apps for the desktop/icons/launchers
[12:04] <ActionParsnip1> so you get all your kde apps with a clean look
[12:04] <dr_willis> desktop = 'window manager + extra apps'
[12:04] <dr_willis> Layers upon layers. :)
[12:04] <leaf_> OK, so, dr_willis, those are the layers, am I right?
[12:04] <ActionParsnip1> you can run it on gnome instead of metacity, same gnome apps, ligther look
[12:04] <dr_willis> sort of. :)
[12:05] <dr_willis> You coule replace kwin with fluxbox if you wanted
[12:05] <SlimeyPete> leaf_: basically fluxbox is just a window manager, whereas (e.g.) KDE is a big bundle of software which includes a window manager (kwin) amongst other things
[12:05] <leaf_> OK, thanks
[12:05] <gan-xiaofei> what desktop are you using
[12:05] <ActionParsnip1> leaf_: all the plasma and the menu in the bottom right is the window manager
[12:06] <dr_willis> I use 'jwm' as my window manager, and rox-filer as the filemanager/desktop
[12:06] <gan-xiaofei> what is the ubuntu default window manager
[12:06] <dr_willis> gnome = metacity
[12:06] <Copelia> !kubuntu
[12:06] <dr_willis> ubnut defaults to the gnome desktop
[12:07] <dr_willis> I rember when gnome  first came out big time and decided to use Metacity.. everyone was like.. "where did metacity come from?"
[12:07] <dr_willis> The good old Gnome Days..
[12:07] <dr_willis> Back when Ximian was big. :)
[12:08]  * ActionParsnip1 has always used kde
[12:08] <ActionParsnip1> a bar at the top and one at the bottom, how many bars does a guy need?
[12:09] <dr_willis> I like a SIDE bar with my windowmaker warf applets.. :)
[12:09] <dr_willis> but thats getting rare these days
[12:09] <ActionParsnip1> app catcher and yakuake is all i need
[12:09] <dr_willis> and the cube!
[12:10] <dr_willis> 'bow down to the cube'
[12:10] <dr_willis> CubeLinux
[12:10] <ActionParsnip1> screw the cube, it breaks too much
[12:10] <ActionParsnip1> i had mine as a cylinder for a while, that was funny
[12:11] <dr_willis> My laptop for some reason on the cubve.. the right arrow- seems to 'stick'  and goes 3-4 desktps at a time..
[12:11] <dr_willis> but it dosent do it in any other apps.. :)
[12:11] <SlimeyPete> I find that the cube just gets annoying after a while, as with most transition effects.
[12:11] <dr_willis> Not sure waht the deal is done it for  the last 2 releases of ubuntu/compiz
[12:11] <Tm_T> you can have cube in KDE4 too without compiz
[12:12] <leaf_> My thought is the cude is to attract new guys.
[12:12] <ActionParsnip1> yeah, then they get sick of it and realise they didnt just get ee candy, they got a fairly decent OS
[12:12] <faileas> lol
[12:13] <ActionParsnip1> you can spot a new ubuntu user a mile off, they make loadsa noise about the cube
[12:13] <leaf_> Exactly
[12:13] <ActionParsnip1> and dont have video drivers installed
[12:13] <dr_willis> Da Purty Wiggly  Windows!
[12:13] <dr_willis> :)
[12:13] <ActionParsnip1> haha
[12:14]  * dr_willis sets the windows to blow up into flames and play a LOUD noise when they close..
[12:14] <faileas> lol
[12:14] <leaf_> I have a few friends transfered from Win, after seeing the cube, few days later, they asked me how to play Starcraft
[12:14] <dr_willis> its always amuseing when you mazamize a window and the wiggle effect gets stuck and keeps it wiggling for a few min..
[12:15] <ActionParsnip1> those effects drive me nuts
[12:15] <ActionParsnip1> i do like spinning the cube during compiles
[12:15] <dr_willis> the wife does like the ZOOM
[12:15] <dwidmann> I've got the strangest problem lately and I'm not really sure what's causing it ... When I eject disks the tray ejects ... but then immediately pulls it back in! It's damaging my disks :( Any idea what's causing it Anybody?
[12:15] <ActionParsnip1> and downloads
[12:16] <ilya> Привет всем
[12:17] <dig> I wonder in kubuntu8.10, is there an open as root option in dolphin. (like 8.04)
[12:17] <dig> I quite miss that feature.....
[12:18] <ActionParsnip1> !ru } ilya
[12:18] <ActionParsnip1> dig: kdesudo dolphin
[12:18] <faileas> !ru > ilya
[12:18] <ActionParsnip1> !ru | ilya
[12:18] <faileas> :)
[12:19] <dig> thx, awesome
[12:19] <ActionParsnip1> dig: keep its use to a minimum
[12:21] <dwidmann> hmm, seems like it was bug 285761
[12:22] <joe_> i don't know how to config my graphic's card and i need to so that i can fix the screen reslotion, can anyone help me out?
[12:22] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: what graphics card? lspci will tell you
[12:22] <dwidmann> Or rather 283316 ... but it says that it's "fixed" ... but it clearly isn't
[12:23] <joe_> my graphic's card is riva tnt
[12:23] <Spexius> hi all
[12:24] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: which one? can you give us the line from lspci please
[12:24] <joe_> how do i do that?
[12:24] <Spexius> a short question: Where do I change the setup of Thinkpad keys? I have 8.10 running and the special Thinkpad keys got seriously messed up compared to 8.04 :-/
[12:25] <Copelia> !warrez
[12:25] <Copelia> !fr
[12:25] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: copy it from terminal and paste here
[12:25] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: only that line
[12:26] <joe_> nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15)
[12:26] <favro> the tnt cards are limited to the nv driver in intrepid going by the release notes
[12:27] <joe_> oh, ok
[12:28] <joe_> so then how do i fix my screen resoltion from 640X480 to 1020X1024
[12:28] <joe_> ?
[12:29] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: you can install nvidia-settings to tweak it
[12:29] <joe_> ok, and how do i that?
[12:29] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: envyng-qt may help but if favro says its limited its not gonna fly
[12:29] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[12:30] <favro> !resolution
[12:30] <joe_> i'm srry, i have only used linux for about a week and i'm still try'n to get the hang of it
[12:30] <favro> I use xrandr
[12:31] <joe_> You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[12:31]  * exia_ is away: Gone away for now
[12:31] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: ok nvidia-settings is no good for you
[12:31] <joe_> that's what it gave me when i tried to open it up from the kmenu
[12:32] <joe_> so now what?
[12:32] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: try sudo apt-get -y install envyng-gtk; gksudo envyng-gtk
[12:32] <ActionParsnip1> ok not gksudo kdesudo
[12:33] <joe_> EnbyNG came up
[12:34] <faileas> ActionParsnip1: i thought envy in general was a bad idea?
[12:34] <joe_> do i hit automatic or maual install???
[12:35] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: use auto
[12:35] <ActionParsnip1> faileas: ive seen very few issues with it
[12:36] <jussi01> !envy | faileas
[12:36] <faileas> ahh
[12:37] <dwidmann> Speaking of nvidia ... the new package naming scheme for the nvidia packages for ubuntu really is quite the improvement.
[12:37] <joe_> ok and it's still doing it's thing
[12:37] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: awesome
[12:38] <jussi01> joe_: which gfx card do you have?
[12:38] <jussi01> there is a new nvidia driver in -proposed
[12:38] <jussi01>  nvm, I read back
[12:38] <joe_> it's not done yet
[12:38] <dwidmann> jussi01: which version is in proposed?
[12:39] <jussi01> but yeah, the new driver in -proposed should work for those old card
[12:39] <jussi01> dwidmann: http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/
[12:40] <joe_> ok it's done
[12:40] <joe_> but it want's me to restart my computer though?
[12:41] <Spexius> if you changed your X config you usually only need to restart X-Windows itself, not the whole system.
[12:41] <joe_> that's what it asked me and i said no
[12:41] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: reoot when you are ready to
[12:42] <joe_> ok i'll do it now and if i work's or doesn't i'll u let u guy's know,  thnx for help'n me  ^_^
[12:44] <ActionParsnip1> Spexius: its envyng, no idea why it wants a reboot
[12:46] <jussi01> Does anyone know how to request a read receipt in kmail?
[12:47] <usergr> i have a problem . can anyone help me for a minute?
[12:48] <SlimeyPete> !ask | usergr
[12:48] <DaHopi> jussi01: in Options menue, second point..
[12:49] <jussi01> DaHopi: kmail in kde4 btw
[12:50] <aguitel_> i am free
[12:50] <DaHopi> jussi01: yup.. create a new mail, in the maileditor you have the options menue.. first point is "urgent", second point is read receipt for me in kde4 kmail..
[12:50] <aguitel_> exia_, i am free
[12:50] <jussi01> DaHopi: curious, my second thing is "request disposition notification" which I have no idea what they are talking about...
[12:51] <usergr> i have ubuntu/kubuntu. flash player is buggy (on firefox and  opera) ,when i scroll down a page that contains flash content like youtube, myspace etc, it doesnt scrooll smoothly
[12:51] <usergr> what should i do ?\
[12:54] <ActionParsnip1> usergr: you on 64bit or 32bit?
[12:54] <usergr> 32bit
[12:54] <favro> usergr: it's prob the vid card driver
[12:54] <favro> maybe
[12:54] <ActionParsnip1> usergr: could try removing all flashes and then hitting a flash site like www.rathergood.com/blode2
[12:54] <ActionParsnip1> favro: nice one
[12:55] <favro> :)
[12:56] <usergr> this site is ok
[12:56] <sfears> my alt+f2 doesn't bring up a run command box anymore
[12:56] <ActionParsnip1> sfears: try reassigning the hotkey in keyboard prefs
[12:56] <sfears> will try
[12:56] <joe_> i'm srry to say guy's but it didn't work at all
[12:57] <DaHopi> jussi01: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_receipt
[12:57] <jussi01> joe_: enable the proposed repository, then install the drivers through jokey
[12:57] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: did you see an nvidia symbol?
[12:57] <joe_> yes i did
[12:57] <jussi01> DaHopi: thanks
[12:58] <joe_> and i don't know how to enable the proposed repository srry to say
[12:58] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: if you saw nvidia symbol fullscreen before desktop you have drivers
[12:58] <DaHopi> jussi01, ur welcome..
[12:58] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings and you can set stuff from there
[12:58] <joe_> i didn't see it at fullscreen i saw it at 640X480
[12:59] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: didit fill the screen before anything was shown?
[12:59] <joe_> ok this is really start'n to piss me off and it's not u guy's it's my damn computer
[12:59] <joe_> rite
[12:59] <usergr> thanks for your time favro
[12:59] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: then thats full screen, just at a bad res
[13:00] <sfears> ActionParsnip1, i think it has something to do with compiz taking over the shortcut keys first.. it's set correctally in the keyboard prefs
[13:00] <favro> usergr: did I help?
[13:00] <ActionParsnip1> sfears: maybe ask in #compiz then
[13:00] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: if you install nvidia-settings it will hook into what you have and let you setup
[13:00] <usergr> of course ,thanks
[13:01] <joe_> it say's i have nvidia setting's but when i click on it, it say's this
[13:01] <joe_> You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[13:01] <joe_> but my screen resoltion isn't want it want it to be it's 640X480 and that's not what i want
[13:01] <joe_> cuz it blow's everything up really big
[13:01] <eduardo> alguien habla español?
[13:02] <joe_> i want it where it can fit my screen with no problem's
[13:02] <Pici> !es | eduardo
[13:02] <eduardo> alguien habla español?
[13:02] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: you gotta wrestle your card till it gives you a finer res
[13:02] <joe_> i don't know how to
[13:02] <eduardo> ok
[13:02] <favro> joe_: in  the device section of the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf is nvidia listed or is it nv
[13:02] <ActionParsnip1> joe_: can you give us a pastebin of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:02] <joe_> don't know let me look
[13:03] <joe_> ok i'll give u pastebin of my xorg.conf
[13:03] <favro> !paste
[13:05] <EyesKiller> Hi is this English-spoken-channel?
[13:05] <favro> yep
[13:06] <joe_> http://pastie.org/307129
[13:06] <favro> EyesKiller: is english your first language?
[13:06] <aguitel_> exia_, i am free
[13:06] <EyesKiller> Fine, I've upgraded kubuntu from 8.04 to 8.10. Unfortunatelly my ntfs-partition disappeared from "k"->Host/Machine/PC (<-don't know how it's called in English since I'm using German "K"->"Rechner")
[13:07] <EyesKiller> favro: Nope, I'm german.
[13:07] <jussi01> joe_: so did you try adding the proposed repo like I said?
[13:07] <joe_> i don't know how to
[13:07] <jussi01> joe_: open adept (system - adept manager)
[13:07] <favro> EyesKiller: your english is good :)
[13:07] <jussi01> EyesKiller: you can also use #kubuntu-de if you prefer
[13:07] <EyesKiller> favro: Thank you, I don't want to talk English if this would be a German-Channel, so not every german would understand my questions. ;)
[13:08] <ActionParsnip1> EyesKiller: did you overwrite any config files during upgrade?
[13:08] <EyesKiller> jussi01: No probs.
[13:08] <joe_> ok
[13:08] <EyesKiller> ActionParsnip1: Not me but perhaps "adept --dist-upgrade" did. :/
[13:08] <jussi01> joe_: then click soureces, then the updates tab
[13:08] <EyesKiller> Maybe I have to write a new line into /etc/fstab huh?
[13:09] <ActionParsnip1> EyesKiller: makes sense
[13:09] <jussi01> joe_: sorry, you have to click edit software sources first
[13:09] <joe_> ok, how do i do that?
[13:10] <EyesKiller> man fstab would tell me which parameters is needed, right?
[13:10] <jussi01> joe_: so in adept, click sources, then edit software sources
[13:10] <jussi01> EyesKiller: should yeah
[13:11] <joe_> i don't see sources
[13:11] <EyesKiller> Hm... I don't find the infos about parameters for ntfs. I only want to get mountable/writable for nonroot-users.
[13:11] <jussi01> joe_: you opened adept manager from system? not adept installer?
[13:12] <joe_> yes adept manager
[13:12] <jussi01> joe_: wait, which version are you on, 8.04 or 8.10 ?
[13:12] <EyesKiller> And the partition should be mounted "manually" (like by going "K"->Host->WinXP)
[13:12] <joe_> how do i find that out?
[13:12] <ActionParsnip1> EyesKiller: im not familiar with that, I use CLI
[13:13] <jussi01> !version | joe_
[13:13] <EyesKiller> ActionParsnip1: Ok, thank. But wtf is CLI?
[13:13] <jussi01> command line interface
[13:14] <EyesKiller> Ah... ok.
[13:14] <joe_> 8.04 hardy
[13:14] <jussi01> joe_: ahh... well you shouldnt have the problem then... hrm...
[13:14] <ActionParsnip1> !cli | EyesKiller
[13:14] <EyesKiller> ubottu: Thank, I already know xterm/konsole. ;)
[13:15] <joe_> yeah i know but i am haven problem's with it though and it's start'n to tick me off
[13:15] <EyesKiller> Oops... it's a bot. :D
[13:15] <jussi01> hehe
[13:15] <joe_> but i'll make sure i keep my anger in check though  ^_^
[13:15] <EyesKiller> Thanx Action.
[13:15] <jussi01> joe_: ok, so what happens when you open the hardware manager?
[13:15] <jussi01> !tab | EyesKiller
[13:16] <ActionParsnip1> EyesKiller: i dont use the kmeu much if at all, all apps executed from yakuake
[13:17] <EyesKiller> jussi01: Oh... I didn't know about autocompletion for IRC. Thanx.
[13:17] <joe_> NVIDIA Acceleratied Graphics driver (legacy cards) not enable
[13:18] <joe_> but if i do then i get whati have now and i don't want that
[13:18] <jussi01> joe_: can you enable it by clicking the box?
[13:18] <joe_> yes but i don't want it cuz that's where i am now with my screen reslotoin
[13:18] <jussi01> joe_: are you sure?
[13:18] <joe_> yes
[13:19] <joe_> my computer was built for a window's 2000 and the only thing that i did put in it was a 80 gig hard drive and a 256 sd ram of memory
[13:20] <joe_> just to let u guy's know
[13:21] <joe_> so how do i fix my screen resoltion???
[13:24] <aguitel_> i am free
[13:24] <dr_willis> !fixres
[13:24] <EyesKiller> Umm.... so anyone of you use ntfs in kde? If yes, could you printout 'aptitude search ntfs'?
[13:26] <ActionParsnip1> !ntfs-3g | EyesKiller
[13:27] <EyesKiller> ubottu: Thanx. I'll read.
[13:27] <EyesKiller> Umm... Thanx ActionParsnip1.
[13:28] <ActionParsnip1> hehe
[13:28] <ActionParsnip1> ubottu only replies if someone pokes him
[13:28] <ActionParsnip1> !cofffee
[13:28] <ActionParsnip1> !coffee
[13:28] <ActionParsnip1> like that
[13:30] <EyesKiller> :)
[13:30] <EyesKiller> !print_moneys
[13:34] <ActionParsnip1> !anything
[13:36] <dr_willis> !anyth1ng
[13:36] <ActionParsnip1> nice
[13:38] <EyesKiller> !me
[13:40] <Pici> !msgtgebit
[13:40] <Pici> !msgthebot
[13:47] <XenThraL> keep getting a message
[13:47] <XenThraL> "Error - artsmessage"
[13:47] <XenThraL> "Sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting"
[13:47] <DarkSmoke> apt-get is bugged?
[13:48] <DarkSmoke> it says it can't resolve packages.medibuntu.org
[13:48] <DarkSmoke> but i can go there with firefox :/
[13:49] <kgx> has anyone had problems upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10? this is for my work laptop, i afford to waste time fixing it should something go wrong
[13:49] <larsivi__> kgx: I had many problems
[13:49] <ActionParsnip1> DarkSmoke: you need a carridge return on the end of the last line in sources.lst
[13:49] <XenThraL> kgx: worst dist-upgrade I've ever done
[13:50] <ActionParsnip1> !medibuntu | DarkSmoke
[13:50] <DarkSmoke> carridge return ?
[13:50] <XenThraL> everything from sound, video, to my joystick is broken
[13:50] <DarkSmoke> ActionParsnip1: wow, i didn;t know what was medibuntu
[13:50] <DarkSmoke> lol
[13:50] <DarkSmoke> :P
[13:50] <ActionParsnip1> just a lil factoid
[13:50] <kgx> larsivi__ , XenThraL : thanks,  might just do a clean install when stuff at work calms down a bit
[13:50] <XenThraL> urgh
[13:50] <XenThraL> this joystick bug
[13:50] <XenThraL> anyone ran across it?
[13:51] <XenThraL> my joystick now just keeps pressing 'up'
[13:51] <XenThraL> though its not
[13:51] <XenThraL> it was working fine before the upgrade
[13:51] <ActionParsnip1> XenThraL: recalibrate it
[13:51] <XenThraL> I have
[13:52] <EyesKiller> How is the menu called which opens if you click on "K" in left bottom corner?
[13:52] <hateball> EyesKiller» Kicker
[13:52] <EyesKiller> I need it as keyword for google.
[13:53] <EyesKiller> Kicker? Ok, thanx.
[13:53] <XenThraL> eh
[13:53] <XenThraL> joystick issue is known
[13:54] <XenThraL> and no fix I can locate
[13:54] <XenThraL> fantastic
[13:56] <OsugiSakae> hi, anyone know how to get the jpeg information functions in krename? what package needs to be installed?
[14:15] <XenThraL> how do I kill a process that wont die with sudo killall ?
[14:16] <XenThraL> nvm got it
[14:26] <gan-xiaofei> Thank you to everybody for helping
[14:26] <gan-xiaofei> me
[14:27] <gan-xiaofei> i have solved my problem just now
[14:28]  * exia__ is away: Gone away for now
[14:30] <untiled> how to restart cups?
[14:30] <gan-xiaofei> what is cups
[14:31] <genii> gan-xiaofei: Common Unix Printing System
[14:31] <Captain_Haddock> !pulseaudio
[14:31] <gan-xiaofei> i don't know and i have never used it
[14:32] <genii> untiled: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[14:32] <untiled> genii it write me sudo: /etc/init.d/cupsys: command not found
[14:32] <scribbles> is bind10 out?
[14:32] <untiled> maybe i haven't installed it? O_O
[14:33] <Captain_Haddock> kubuntu is supposed to enable pulseaudio by default, right?
[14:33] <Captain_Haddock> 8.10
[14:33] <genii> untiled: PErhaps you don't have cups installed then
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> Captain_Haddock: Kubuntu doesn't use pulseaudio
[14:34] <Captain_Haddock> oh? Only Ubuntu then?
[14:34] <Captain_Haddock> or is it Gnome only?
[14:35] <untiled> genii so i have to use "sudo apt-get install cupsys"?
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> Ubuntu only at this point, and probably won't be in Kubuntu
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> Phonon is what KDE uses
[14:37] <genii> untiled: Yes, that should do it
[14:37] <Captain_Haddock> !phonon
[14:37] <basti> does anyone know how to disable the personal image in kbfx?
[14:38] <untiled> genii it alert me cupsys is just installed :(
[14:39] <Captain_Haddock> JontheEchidna: they're competitors? sound similar
[14:39] <OsugiSakae> untiled: you want to restart cups? isn't it /etc/init.d/cups ? not cupsys?
[14:39] <hagabaka> it seems that as long as i have kde3 kdelibs installed, kde4 kdm won't run
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> eh, sorta. they sorta do different things
[14:40] <genii> untiled: Did you do something like delete a bunch of files by accident?
[14:40] <untiled> genii no, it was as told OsugiSakae : sudo /etc/init.d/cups restart
[14:41] <ben_> hello everone
[14:42] <genii> untiled: Ah, I think I may need more coffee this morning yet :)
[14:42] <Captain_Haddock> JontheEchidna: I see. Thanks.
[14:42] <Captain_Haddock> untiled: you can also do that from system settings' services applet
[14:42] <Captain_Haddock> (btw)
[14:44] <untiled> Captain_Haddock i thinked it but i didn't find cups ^^
[14:44] <terran4000> Hey, does anyone know where is the setting in KDE 4.1 to scroll over the desktop to switch to a different desktop?
[14:44] <terran4000> I can't seem to find it ... or was it removed? o.O
[14:45] <ben_> terran4000: it's probably either not yet reimplemented or it doesnt have a configuration option yet
[14:45] <ActionParsnip1> terran4000: it does it with mouse wheel i believe
[14:45] <lup0> terran4000: I simulate it by scrolling over the desktop switcher in the bottom panel
[14:46] <terran4000> lup0: yeah ... that seems to be the only thing tha tI found out that works
[14:46] <terran4000> ben_: <sigh> yeah ... so it seems, sadly >_>
[14:46] <terran4000> thanks guys.
[14:46] <ben_> terran4000: you might check with the kde folks
[14:46] <terran4000> Aye, will do. Thanks ben_
[14:46] <ben_> it might still be present, but you have to edit an rc file
[14:47] <terran4000> Good point there ... forgot about 'em pesky config files.
[14:47] <patrickd_> I have dual monitors setup with nvidia on kubuntu but everytime I restart I have to set it up again using nvidia-settings. Can anyone tell me where/how to save the settings? I've looked at the /etc/xorg.conf file but that doesn't seem to be used anymore.
[14:49] <BluesKaj> G' Morning
[14:49] <ActionParsnip1> !dualhead | patrickd_
[14:49] <terran4000> Eve' BluesKaj
[14:49] <patrickd_> BluesKaj: Thanks
[14:49] <benklop_> i just upgraded to intrepid, and i've got this rediculously annoying flicker
[14:50] <BluesKaj> benklop_: nvidia ?
[14:50] <ActionParsnip1> benklop_: on the whole screen or just some apps? are you running compiz?
[14:50] <benklop_> roughly the bottom half of my screen will flicker between corrupted graphics (everything shifted left a ways) and regular graphics
[14:50] <benklop_> both with and without deskop effects enabled
[14:50] <ActionParsnip1> benklop_: try reducing refresh rate slightly
[14:51] <benklop_> i only have 60 hz available, and its a laptop lvds panel so it doesn't matter anyway
[14:51] <OsugiSakae> anyone use krename?
[14:51] <BluesKaj> brb
[14:51] <ActionParsnip1> !info krename
[14:52] <ActionParsnip1> i use find -exec for that sort of thing. Whats it doing, OsugiSakae
[14:52] <benklop_> ActionParsnip1: i think it might be related to the i810 Xorg driver
[14:52] <ActionParsnip1> benklop_: you could reset up your video drivers
[14:53] <OsugiSakae> what it isn't doing - i can't find the package that let's krename access jpg data from files.
[14:53] <benklop_> ActionParsnip1: i have tried that, and nothing seems to make much of a difference. i havn't tried using a different driver, but right now i'm running without an xorg.conf in order to use default config values
[14:53] <OsugiSakae> like creation time, resolution, etc.
[14:54] <ActionParsnip1> OsugiSakae: i think imagemagik can do that. Im not familiar with it. try man krename
[14:54] <OsugiSakae> thanks, will check.
[14:54] <alonea> my keys to lower the brightness (fn + f7 or f8) do not work and I want to  save my battery
[14:55] <exia_> hey guys... well i have a canon pixma ip1500 printer, and gnome ^^ when i've connected the printer through usb port, switched it on, the system found it as pixma ip1500 - that's all right... but it doesn't print anything ^^ search for a printer driver to download doesn't make anything, and my printer's make and model is "Generic text-only printer", i've also downloaded official drivers from canon site but it seems that they haven't installed properly... what
[14:55] <exia_> should i do?
[14:55] <exia_> :)
[14:55] <benklop_> ActionParsnip1: i'd like to try downgrading my xorg; is that really possible?
[14:56] <ActionParsnip1> benklop_: you can set it to failsafe with the command at the top of xorg.conf
[14:56] <benklop_> ActionParsnip1: i've used linux for quite a while(6 years) , but havn't realy messed with debian based distros
[14:56] <benklop_> ActionParsnip1: you mean so it uses the vesa driver?
[14:57] <ActionParsnip1> benklop_: yeah that should be fine
[14:57] <alonea> I have a hp laptop dv6700 if that helps
[14:57] <alonea> I saw some fnfx thing, but thats for toshiba laptops
[14:58] <benklop_> yeah but no accel that way...
[14:58] <benklop_> or do you mean to test?
[14:58] <ActionParsnip1> benklop_: true but you can start there and build up
[14:58] <benklop_> alright, i'll report back
[14:59] <webmaren> hey I just lost keyboard input for all my applications
[14:59] <webmaren> had to log out and log back in to get it back
[14:59] <ActionParsnip1> webmaren: you can check logs to see what happened
[14:59] <webmaren> any idea of what log to look at
[15:01] <ActionParsnip1> webmaren: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxLogFiles
[15:02] <alonea> is there a place I can manually lower the brightness? like display settings? I looked, but did not see anything
[15:06] <matze> hi, how i can run kde3-apps with kde4?
[15:07] <matze> got problems with qt while compiling
[15:09] <matze> ?
[15:09] <OsugiSakae> hmm. the mp3 and ogg rename functions in krename are missing also.
[15:10] <ActionParsnip1> matze: search synaptic for kdelib
[15:11] <ActionParsnip1> matze: appears to be sudo apt-get install kde
[15:13] <matze> ActionParsnip1: my problem is: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[15:13] <alonea> I seem to be unable to change my brightness on my hp laptop. On startup it starts out a lowest birghtness then shoots up to highest.
[15:14] <aaroncampbell> What's the best way to backup before an 8.10 upgrade?  (Or rather what exactly needs to be backed up)
[15:14] <ActionParsnip1> matze: i think kde will install 3.5, you could maybe fine one more suited to kde4
[15:15] <matze> hm...
[15:16] <matze> but kubuntu 8.10 is kde4 only -.-
[15:17] <ActionParsnip1> matze: is there no old kde3.5 on the repos? try tab completing
[15:18] <matze> ActionParsnip1: why should i install kde3.5, i just need >= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0
[15:18] <ActionParsnip1> matze: then install qtlibs
[15:18] <matze> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[15:18] <avinash> hey how to resolve the broken package problem?? plz help
[15:18] <ActionParsnip1> matze: or you could tell it to ignore but i dunno how stable it will e
[15:19] <ActionParsnip1> avinash: sudo apt-get -f install
[15:19] <ardchoille> ActionParsnip1: I read that as sudo apt-get fail
[15:19] <ActionParsnip1> ardchoille: -f == fix
[15:20] <ardchoille> yeah
[15:20] <ActionParsnip1> ?
[15:20] <ardchoille> it's too early in the morning
[15:20] <avinash> i have to install samba
[15:20] <ActionParsnip1> 3:20pm here, been up 9 hours nearly
[15:21] <ardchoille> . and I'm old
[15:21] <ActionParsnip1> 28 here
[15:21] <alonea> anyone have ideas? even a manual method would make me happy at this point
[15:22] <ActionParsnip1> ardchoille: how old is old?
[15:22] <ilya> alonea: what?
[15:22] <alonea> ilya: I cannot change the brightness of my laptop screen. keys do not work and when compy starts it sets screen to max
[15:24] <dr_willis> hmmmm
[15:24] <alonea> ilya: I think I might have found a solution.
[15:25] <alonea> while going through a bunch of forums someone was using an app called kpowersave to do it manually of so it finally installed. I found the brightness tab and it worked. Out of curiosity I tried my keys again and they work too
[15:25] <dr_willis> Heh,,,
[15:26] <alonea> whether is saves my brightness settings is another matter, but being able to change them is a must, though it seemss linux isn't reading my battery correctly
[15:27] <alonea> says I have less than an hour left. This battery lasts around 4 hours.
[15:27] <dr_willis> sounds like general apci type issues.. which are  sadly often common.
[15:27] <alonea> dr_willis: do you know anything about touch pad drivers?
[15:28] <alonea> if I so much as accidentally brush the pad while typing my cursor goes elsewhere or I somehow paste something.
[15:28] <dr_willis> Not really.  There have been a lot of changes to the touchpad stuff in the latest X releases..
[15:29] <alonea> figures. I might look around for some sort of driver. I used to have an app that had sensitivity options when I had kubuntu 6 or 7
[15:30] <alonea> so far the support for most of my hardware is awesome, it just none of my volume or brightness keys work. also my headphone jack doesn't work either.
[15:34] <ActionParsnip1> alonea: fix one thing at time
[15:34] <alirio> hello
[15:35] <alirio> i vave a problem with openoffice and kde4
[15:35] <alirio> i dont know what is happening but when i open openoofice, kde4 crash
[15:35] <alirio> i neeeeeeed heeeeeeeeeeeeelp
[15:35] <alirio> please
[15:36]  * dr_willis waves his magical wand...
[15:36] <patrickd_> Which group(s) do I need to be part of so that I can "automount" my windows partitions without having to use "sudo"
[15:36] <alirio> i have a problem with openoffice and kde4
[15:36] <alirio> i dont know what is happening but when i open openoofice, kde4 crash
[15:37] <alirio> help me please
[15:37] <dr_willis> alirio,  i would check the kubuntu forums to see if others are haivng similer issues..  and are you using anything unusual with  kde4? compiz?  perhaps disable all effects...
[15:38] <dr_willis> Ive not heard anyne else  mention issues with kde4 and OOo  in here.
[15:38] <alirio> but i dont know what heppen
[15:38] <alirio> happen
[15:38] <alirio> i open openoffice and then the taskbar disapperar
[15:39] <alirio> or the color gone
[15:39] <dr_willis> also.. has it EVER worked? is this a upgrade or clean install.. try it under a different user, you could also try it under a different window manager.
[15:39]  * dr_willis thinks of more troubleshooting things to try.
[15:39] <alirio> is a clean install
[15:39] <ActionParsnip1> alirio: ask away duder
[15:39] <OsugiSakae> alirio: have you tried renaming your .openoffice2 directory and starting it again?
[15:39] <OsugiSakae> (basically what dr_willis just said)
[15:40] <alirio> i had installed it 3 times again and so and so
[15:40] <alirio> but the same problem is always
[15:40] <OsugiSakae> alirio: reinstalling is usually not the answer
[15:40] <dr_willis> I would try it under a different desktop/window manager also.. see if its a kde specifi issue. or not.
[15:40] <dr_willis> 'reinstalling is windows training' :)
[15:41] <alirio> mmmm
[15:41] <alirio> i dont know
[15:41] <OsugiSakae> rather than reinstall, try as with a clean user - no previous openoffice settings
[15:41] <alirio> i had tried it
[15:41] <alirio> but the same problem
[15:42] <alirio> i think it is a problem with openoffice
[15:42] <alirio> anybody has kde4
[15:42] <alirio> ????
[15:42] <bazhang> alirio, what version of open office and how was it installed
[15:42] <dr_willis> This is the first ive heard of it in here alirio
[15:42] <alirio> version 3.0
[15:42] <alirio> by console with debs
[15:43] <dr_willis> SO you are using the BETA of openoffice 3 then?
[15:43] <bazhang> alirio, that is the beta
[15:43] <alirio> no
[15:43] <benklop_> ActionParsnip1: the flickering disappears when using the vesa driver
[15:43] <ardchoille> !info openoffice.org
[15:43] <bazhang> alirio, downloaded from where
[15:43] <benklop_> ActionParsnip1: so it looks like the intel driver could be the cause
[15:43] <dr_willis> last i looked OOo 3 was not in the repos or backports, or ppa repos yet...
[15:44] <alirio> i downloaded the last version from openoffice.org
[15:44] <bazhang> no wonder
[15:44] <alirio> as always
[15:44] <dr_willis> alirio,  thats the issue then...
[15:44] <dr_willis> or so it seems.
[15:44] <alirio> what
[15:44] <dr_willis> I would try it with a different window manager if you MUST have OOo3
[15:44] <bazhang> alirio, use the repos not random websites
[15:44] <dr_willis> Unless you really MUST have the latest.. i would use the one in the repos
[15:44] <matze> how i can change prefixes for configure?
[15:44] <matze> got error:
[15:44] <matze> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[15:44] <matze> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE libraries installed. This will fail.
[15:44] <matze> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[15:45] <alirio> mmmm
[15:45] <alirio> but my question is:
[15:45] <dr_willis> or wait for oo3 to get in the bacports or ppa repos and try it then.
[15:45] <bazhang> its not a problem for kubuntu.
[15:45] <bazhang> its a problem for Open Office beta alirio
[15:45] <alonea> ActionParsnip1: oh yes. I am terrible at doing many things at once. I was going to put windows xp on a partition last night to get the nasty surprise of no drivers for my sata
[15:45] <alirio> anybody had kde4
[15:45] <dr_willis> well it may be a kubntu issue.. but no one proberly knows much about it..  :)  both may be to blame.. its hard to tell.
[15:45] <ardchoille> alirio: generally, using software outside of the repos is unsupported
[15:46] <dr_willis> Defiatly falls in the 'you are on your own' area. :)
[15:46] <alirio> it means i must leave openoffice default
[15:46] <alirio> it means 2.4
[15:47] <dr_willis> the guides i saw swaid you could have both installed...
[15:47] <dr_willis> you may want to try a different window manager.. itmay not crash in those
[15:47] <alirio> no but i want kde
[15:47] <VinciWu> hi all
[15:47] <dr_willis> Looks like you got some tough choices then..
[15:47] <VinciWu> i got a question
[15:47] <dr_willis> i would definatly try a 'new' user and see if it affects them
[15:47] <alirio> i m used to kde
[15:48] <alirio> yes it affects
[15:48] <VinciWu> i can't change my account icon
[15:48] <alirio> if you create a new user it happens again
[15:48] <alirio> i m so angry
[15:48] <benklop_> alirio: what's happening?
[15:48] <ActionParsnip2> VinciWu: try in user manager in system settings
[15:49] <bazhang> alirio, why do you need version 3
[15:49] <VinciWu> the system tell me that "your system admin don't allow you change"
[15:49] <alirio> benklop: i have problems with openoffice and kde4
[15:49] <alirio> the system cash
[15:49] <bazhang> open office beta
[15:49] <alirio> or at least the taskbar gone
[15:49] <ardchoille> VinciWu: It's a weird permissions thing, hold on and I'll find the fix I used..
[15:49] <alirio> no openoffice is out
[15:50] <sokolovss> Hello, are there any Koffice aplications written on Qt4 available?
[15:50] <alirio> i dont know what to do
[15:50] <hoonteke> what is kmail's dbgsym package named?
[15:51] <ardchoille> VinciWu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=608354
[15:51] <benklop_> alirio: do you have an nvidia video card?
[15:51] <alirio> hey anybody of you have install kde4 and have it now
[15:51] <alirio> ????
[15:51] <VinciWu> ardchoille: thank you!
[15:51] <alirio> and what opeoffice have
[15:51] <bazhang> alirio, yes I have kde4
[15:51] <sokolovss> yes, I have KDE4
[15:52] <ardchoille> VinciWu: see the post by cookies, second from the bottom
[15:52] <alirio> and you have openoffice 2.4
[15:52] <alirio> ????'
[15:52] <sokolovss> yes
[15:52] <alirio> and compiz too
[15:52] <alirio> ???
[15:52] <dr_willis> !enter
[15:52] <ActionParsnip2> alirio: i have all 3, wassup
[15:53] <VinciWu> ardchoille: i used sudo in console, and it shows "Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-vinci" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0."
[15:53] <benklop_> alirio: do you have an nvidia video card?
[15:53] <alirio> it means is a problem with openoffice3
[15:53] <alirio> yes  i have a nvidia
[15:53] <bazhang> alirio, it means that you should stick to the repos.
[15:54] <ardchoille> VinciWu: systemsettings > Advanced tab > System Administration > Login Manager
[15:54] <benklop_> alirio: there is a known problem with nvidia drivers and kde4 that is triggered by openoffice and some other programs
[15:54] <alirio> mmmmmm
[15:54] <benklop_> alirio: there is a race condition between opengl drawing and X drawing
[15:54] <VinciWu> ardchoille: let me check
[15:54] <sokolovss> I also have openoffice, KDE4 and all works pretty fine with 177 driver
[15:54] <benklop_> alirio: if you disable desktop effects, the problem might go away
[15:55] <alirio> but the desktop effects was why i wanted
[15:55] <alirio> kubuntu 8.10
[15:55] <benklop_> alirio: me too. :)
[15:56] <VinciWu> ardchoille: oh! i can change that!! Thank you!
[15:56] <sokolovss> m... I have only default effects =)
[15:56] <alirio> mmm
[15:56] <alirio> thats the problem
[15:56] <VinciWu> ardchoille: but why i can't change icon in About me?
[15:56] <alirio> i had confiured  several effects
[15:56] <ardchoille> VinciWu: Over on the right side of Login Manager, in the User Image Source section, check "User, admin"
[15:57] <ardchoille> VinciWu: after you do that you should be able to change the about me icon
[15:58] <benklop_> alirio: the problem is, xorg can't synchronize painting between 2d X events and opengl painting. it's not a problem with most drivers because they use a single thread. nvidia usees more threads and does drawing asynchronously, so sometimes the desktop effects are told the painting is done before it really is, and it draws things wrong. it's annoying, but the only fix is an update to xorg that is still being worked on
[15:58] <VinciWu> ardchoille: oh! oh! Thank you!
[15:58] <alirio> it means i must come back to kubuntu 8.04
[15:58] <ardchoille> VinciWu: you're welcome :)
[15:58] <benklop_> alirio: or just turn off desktop effects until it gets fixed
[15:58] <bazhang> or use standard open office
[15:58] <benklop_> it will get fixed, but it's just not fixed yet
[15:59] <VinciWu> ardchoille: after change the user image source, should i relogin?
[15:59] <benklop_> bazhang: actually, for me the problem occurs using openoffice 2.4 as well
[15:59] <bazhang> benklop_, never used compiz with kde4 so cant say :)
[15:59] <benklop_> alirio: some people have luck disabling the blinking cursor - it's wierd, but for some people if the cursor doesn't blink then the problem doesn't happen
[15:59] <VinciWu> ardchoille: because i can't change still
[16:00] <alirio> with openoffice 2.4 too
[16:00] <bazhang> seems a bit of overkill
[16:00] <ardchoille> VinciWu: I didn't have to, but I did have to start the systemsettings again before I could change the about me icon
[16:00] <ardchoille> VinciWu: did you click the "Apply" button?
[16:00] <alirio> i m thinking is a serious problem of kde4
[16:01] <VinciWu> ardchoille: ohh! sorry! that's my fault. i still using root identity
[16:01] <ardchoille> VinciWu: oh, cookies says you need to restart kde, so I guess you do have to log out and back in, but I didn't have to do that
[16:01] <benklop_> bazhang: it's actually kde's plasma that seems to run into it when desktop effects and thus opengl acceleration is turned on. compiz doesn't make plasma do that, so maybe kde4 using compiz would work
[16:01] <ardchoille> VinciWu: ok
[16:01] <VinciWu> ardchoille: yeah! i can change now! thank you again
[16:01] <ardchoille> :)
[16:02] <benklop_> alirio: it's not actually a kde4 problem - they are doing things right - it's xorg that's causing a problem for nvidia, and kde4 just uncovered it be doing things in a different way
[16:02] <alirio> mmm
[16:02] <bazhang> thanks benklop_ :)
[16:03] <benklop_> bazhang: i spent most of last week researching why my taskbar buttons were disappearing :)
[16:04] <alirio> well i m gonna come back to kubuntu 8.04
[16:05] <alirio> i hope they fix that problem
[16:05] <alirio> `cause it is a bad thing
[16:05] <benklop_> me too
[16:06] <benklop_> alirio: i have read some discussion between developers about it and they seem to have an idea what to do - they are working on it
[16:06] <alirio> but when
[16:06] <alirio> how?????
[16:07] <bazhang> when new xorg 'wayland' is finished :)
[16:08] <benklop_> alirio: hopefully with xorg's next release... no idea though
[16:08] <alirio> until then i m gonna install 8.04
[16:08] <ardchoille> alirio: why not just use the openoffice in the 8.10 repos?
[16:09] <alirio> but when i use it without comiz it seem work
[16:10] <alirio> but with compi it fails
[16:10] <alirio> and i want compiz effects
[16:10] <alirio> is fro that
[16:11] <ardchoille> alirio: why do you need openoffice 3 instead of openoffice 2.4?
[16:11] <alirio> o
[16:11] <alirio> no
[16:11] <alirio> it is not my problem
[16:11] <alirio> i left openoffice 2.4
[16:12] <alirio> but with compiz everithing crash
[16:12] <alirio> it is the real problem
[16:12] <Eruaran> hello
[16:13] <Eruaran> I have installed restricted-extras and followed the instructions on the website to get dvd playback but I still cant play dvd's
[16:14] <ardchoille> Eruaran: iirc, dvd playback isn't supported here
[16:14] <ubuntu_happy> Hi, I have a question. I just upgraded from Ubuntu Hardy to Ubuntu 8.10 yesterday. The KDE side also got upgraded. Maybe I never tested the sound before but now I discovered that Songbird and Rhythmbox didn't work in Kubuntu (but worked in Ubuntu).. it seems that it complains about gstreamer. Does anybody know how to fix this?
[16:15] <woden1> What are the best free games for linux?
[16:15] <ardchoille> !dvd | Eruaran
[16:16] <Eruaran> Well If I had known this was going to be a problem I wouldn't have upgraded
[16:17] <bazhang> what about installing libdvdcss2 Eruaran from medibuntu
[16:17] <stdin> !best | woden1
[16:17] <ubuntu_happy> i am pretty sure I got all the gstreamer plugin installed, as listed here : https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/codecs.html#codecs-gstreamer  , however, songbird and rhythmbox can't play music, while amorak and VLC can.
[16:17] <woden1> stdin: wow thanks so much
[16:17] <alirio> bye
[16:18] <alirio> i will see you from kubuntu 8.04
[16:18] <alirio> thanks for all
[16:18] <bazhang> good luck :)
[16:19] <edju> I know that KDE3 is no longer supported.  But Hardy is, right?  If some app, say gcc or whatever, is updated, it will be updated in Hardy?
[16:19] <luke__> G.day all..
[16:20] <ubuntu_happy> Why does Songbird and Rhythmbox not work in Kubuntu but works in Ubuntu? Thanks. Amarok and VLC are fine in Kubuntu , btw.
[16:20] <ardchoille> edju: usually only bug fixes and security updates are seen in the repos after release, we don't usually get new versions after release
[16:20] <ek> edju: Yes. Hardy still gets updates.
[16:20] <luke__> I would wonder what the preferred browser is amongst Kubuntu users ?
[16:21] <faileas> FF for me.
[16:22] <woden1> What are some popular free games for linux?
[16:22] <edju> Uhh -  will hardy get new versions, then, or no?
[16:23] <ardchoille> edju: doubtful
[16:23] <faileas> anyone getting an error with medibuntu repos about an error with signature verification?
[16:23] <ardchoille> faileas: did you download their key?
[16:23] <faileas> ardchoille: i did before.
[16:23] <ardchoille> ok
[16:24] <faileas> unless they suddenly changed it for some reason
[16:24] <Eruaran> bazhang: Do medibuntu repositories work with 8.10 ?
[16:24] <edju> ardchoille, So "LTS" means just bugs and security?
[16:24] <ardchoille> faileas: I don't see any news about that on their website
[16:25] <bazhang> Eruaran, not sure; still have my libdvdcss2 from hardy and it works :)
[16:25] <bazhang> err gutsy iirc
[16:25] <ardchoille> edju: no LTS means Long Term Support; 3 years on the desktop and 5 years on the server
[16:25] <faileas> Eruaran: the site has a repo
[16:25] <faileas> ardchoille: will try reinstalling the keyring
[16:25] <Eruaran> bazhang: the instructions on the Ubuntu site for 8.10 don't work
[16:25] <faileas> nope, no biggie
[16:25] <faileas> Eruaran: i had them working before
[16:26] <bazhang> Eruaran, you mean for the repo or just the single package
[16:26] <Eruaran> I just want to play my dvd's
[16:26] <edju> ardchoille, Then why doesn't 8.04 go untill 11.04?
[16:26] <bazhang> Eruaran, then answer my question
[16:26] <ardchoille> edju: because kubuntu 8.04 is not an LTS release, only Ubuntu 8.04 is LTS
[16:27] <faileas> edju: 2 releases a year last day of year + month
[16:28] <Eruaran> I installed libdvdread3
[16:28] <Eruaran> and ran the shellscript
[16:28] <Luke_US> Well -  Aside from Kubuntu - What is another nice Distro for newer folks to Linux ?
[16:28] <bazhang> Ubuntu
[16:28] <ganymede> hello, how can i disable the update-notifier-kde and print-applet (since i never print and i never really update except via command-line anyway) they take up about 30 MB memory or more in total
[16:29] <Eruaran> bazhang: either will do
[16:30] <faileas> Luke_US: just try distros till you find one you like ;p
[16:30] <ardchoille> ganymede: Hardy has "System Services" in systemsettings and you can turn those two off in there so they don't start on boot
[16:31] <Luke_US> Yeah I have been doing just that.. Just looking for some guiding light..     I have been in the IT industry mainstream for a few yrs.. and just getting intrigued more and more by Linux every day
[16:31] <benklop_> bazhang: if you are interested http://forum.kde.org/showthread.php?tid=7216&pid=8122#pid8122 discusses the bug i think alirio was having
[16:31] <faileas> Luke_US: what do you want to do with it?
[16:31] <Luke_US> Simply learn
[16:31] <ardchoille> Luke_US: May I pm you?
[16:32] <Luke_US> Sure
[16:32] <bazhang> benklop_, much appreciated :)
[16:33] <ganymede> ardchoille, i did not see a system servies option under the advanced tab. i saw autostart and kde services configuration but neither of them had the two things i wanted to disable
[16:34] <ardchoille> ganymede: I was afraid of that
[16:35] <Eruaran> the medibuntu package is installed but still nothing
[16:37] <aaroncampbell> What's the best way to backup before an 8.10 upgrade?  (Or rather what exactly needs to be backed up)
[16:38] <uman> Can anyone recommend a tool to throttle the bandwith of specific applications/ports/interfaces(overall traffic, upload, download) ? thanks
[16:38] <deepfreez> how know where i can see the information about how to install a perfectkubuntu?
[16:39] <spawn57> hi folks, can anyone tell me how to enable acls in the cifs module?
[16:39] <VinciWu> ganymede: i have the same question
[16:41] <cuznt> !cifs module | spawn57
[16:41] <htrhrtwhrwhrw> народ
[16:41] <htrhrtwhrwhrw> есть тут кто?
[16:41] <htrhrtwhrwhrw> hey people
[16:41] <cuznt> !gr
[16:42] <Linuturk> what's a good image editing program for KDE ?
[16:42] <spawn57> krita
[16:43] <uman> Can anyone recommend a tool to throttle the bandwith of specific applications/ports/interfaces(overall traffic, upload, download) ? thanks
[16:44] <Linuturk> uman: QoS
[16:45] <uman> linuturk is that an app or are you just saying quality of service, because i dont want to regulate the QoS, i want to be able to make an app not consume more than 50 KB/s for example or for an entire network interface to not download more than 100 KB/s
[16:46] <Linuturk> uman: I was saying quality of service
[16:49] <woden1> What are some popular free games for linux?
[16:50] <bazhang> tux racer frozen bubble and others ; look in the package manager for a full list woden1
[16:50] <Linuturk> where do I configure printers? do I have to install cups first?
[16:50] <woden1> bazhang: I looked in the package manager but only saw a few that looked interesting to me.  OpenArena, Nexuiz, Tremulous...
[16:51] <woden1> bazhang:  What are some non-free games for linux?
[16:51] <bazhang> woden1, your google is broken?
[16:52] <woden1> bazhang: I already looked on google.  There is a bunch of stale information and suggestions for lame games like frozen bubble and tux racer.
[16:52] <Linuturk> woden1: I enjoy tremulous
[16:53] <woden1> Linuxturk:  Yea tremulous is fun I have played it.  Urbanterror is fun too.  Just looking for other suggestions.
[16:54] <Linuturk> woden1: Scorched Earth. Warzone
[16:54] <Linuturk> woden1: Liquid War
[16:56] <Eruaran> bazhang: the instructions on the site work for the repo and install the package, but media remains unplayable
[16:56] <ardchoille> woden1: have you looked at http://www.happypenguin.org/ ?
[16:56] <Linuturk> hey, how do I add printers to Kubuntu?
[16:56] <Linuturk> there isn't a thing in System Settings
[16:56] <ardchoille> !printer | Linuturk
[16:57] <bazhang> Eruaran, all dvd's? and using what player
[16:57] <Linuturk> ardchoille: so, printing support isn't installed by default?
[16:57] <Eruaran> bazhang: All, with any player. Have tried Kaffeine, Dragon Player and VLC.
[16:57] <ardchoille> Linuturk: I don't know, never used printing, I was just trying to point you in a direction :)
[16:58] <Linuturk> well, all that is Ubuntu specific, using the gnome printing dialogs
[16:58] <bazhang> Eruaran, that is odd
[16:58] <Eruaran> bazhang: maybe I should uninstall and reinstall again
[16:58] <Noisek79> How do I repair my broken splash screen? I've added the vga=791 to menu.lst but it doesnt show anyway.
[16:58] <bazhang> Eruaran, works here with the libdvdcss2.deb installed
[16:58] <ardchoille> which is why I feel we need separate bots
[16:59] <woden1> Eruaran:  Encrypted DVDs require libdvdcss
[17:01] <andrea> we
[17:01] <andrea> salve a tutti
[17:01] <andrea> avrei bisogno di aiuto
[17:01] <Guest80864> salve
[17:01] <Guest80864> avrei bisogno di aiuto
[17:01] <Guest80864> mi chiamo andrea
[17:01] <Guest80864> c'è qaualcuno?
[17:01] <ardchoille> !it
[17:03] <uman> Hi, i have a really big problem. The thing is yesterday i installed a whole bunch of updates (like 160 MB) on ubuntu 8.04, since after the update (im thinking thats what could have caused it) i cant run Vmware workstation 6. i click on it in the system applications, and in the lower menubar a small rectangle appears saying vmware is opening. Then that rectangle closes and vmware never opens. What could the problem be? thanks
[17:04] <ubuntu> hi
[17:04] <ubuntu> oi
[17:04] <ubuntu> ola
[17:04] <ubuntu> hi
[17:04] <Pici> !es
[17:04] <ubuntu> alguem ae:
[17:04] <ubuntu> alguem quer tc:
[17:07] <woden1> speak-eh zee een-glish
[17:07] <bazhang> woden1, that is not helpful
[17:08] <woden1> bazhang:  what?
[17:08] <bazhang> !coc | woden1
[17:09] <woden1> bazhang:  Man, it was a joke calm down.
[17:12] <Eruaran> bazhang: Works with VLC after installing ffmpeg
[17:13] <bazhang> Eruaran, great news
[17:14] <mirko> hello has any1 found linux-kernel-devel for intrepid? how can i get it?
[17:14] <Eruaran> bazhang: Kaffeine still refuses to play
[17:14] <OxDeadC0de> mirko: aptitude search kernel | grep dev
[17:15] <OxDeadC0de> mirko: then once you find it, sudo apt-get install package
[17:15] <mirko> oxdeadc0de it's not in the repository, i couldn't find it
[17:16] <dand> hi, how can i change kde 4 style?
[17:16] <Eruaran> I don't get it... VLC works but Kaffeine still complains that its encrypted
[17:16] <dand> for example the style of applications as firefox
[17:16] <spawn57> Eruaran: you need to install libdvdcss
[17:17] <OxDeadC0de> mirko linux-headers-2.6.27-7-generic for the headers
[17:17] <Eruaran> spawn57: its installed
[17:18] <spawn57> oh
[17:18] <Eruaran> bazhang: get this... VLC - all good, Dragon Player - all good, Kaffeine - nooo.
[17:18] <bazhang> Eruaran, well sorry about that
[17:19] <OxDeadC0de> but I can't seem to find the rest of the source besides headers, maybe I'm not looking right
[17:19] <spawn57> bazhang: what's the error message?
[17:19] <Eruaran> bazhang: thats wierd cause usually if Kaffeine can't play something then Dragon is the same and only VLC works...
[17:19] <Eruaran> wierd that Dragon works and Kaffeine wont
[17:20] <bazhang> spawn57, ask Eruaran :) mine works fine
[17:20] <spawn57> hehe sorry
[17:20] <spawn57> Eruaran: what's teh error message?
[17:20] <bazhang> :)
[17:21] <equimanthorn> #suse.pl
[17:21] <Eruaran> spawn57: This DVD Video is encrypted.  To be able to watch it you will need to install libdvdcss by running from a console: sudo /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh.  In some countries it is illegal to install the decryption software without permission from the video copyright holder.
[17:22] <Eruaran> spawn57: the thing is, its installed, and Dragon Player and VLC are working...
[17:22] <spawn57> Eruaran: are you using 8.10/ibex?
[17:22] <Eruaran> yes
[17:23] <spawn57> Eruaran: I think I know what the problem might be... go to settings, xine engine parameters, click on media.  and for the section that says dvd.device, change it to /dev/dvd1
[17:24] <spawn57> also for the bits wehre you see /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvdrw ...change'em to /dev/cdrom1 or /dev/dvdrw1 ..
[17:25] <Eruaran> spawn57: nope, that just made the error come up quicker
[17:26] <spawn57> dammit
[17:28] <spawn57`> Eruaran: when you do ls /dev/dvd* does it show /dev/dvd1 ??
[17:28] <Eruaran> no
[17:29] <Eruaran> dvd and dvdrw
[17:30] <spawn57`> dammit
[17:30] <spawn57`> change those media settings back to /dev/dvd :$
[17:32] <spawn57`> Eruaran:  are you sure you have libdvdcss installed? use adept to check
[17:33] <Eruaran> spawn57: In the decoder section Kaffeine is being pointed to /usr/lib/codecs, but there is no codecs directory
[17:34] <spawn57`> same for me ...but my dvd still works
[17:36] <jens_> I'm experiencing some strange font issues with KPDF (PDF-viewer).. spacing is off rowspacing is kinda off.. do I have to install some additional fonts or anything else to rectify this?
[17:37] <Eruaran> Well I got to get going, bazhang & spawn57, thanks for the help.
[17:41] <spawn57`> !mp3
[17:43] <jens_> !pdf
[17:44] <benklop_> i'm having a flicker issue with intel drivers. the following workaround works for me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/256142/comments/30
[17:44] <benklop_> does anyone know if this is being worked on? the bug report seems to indicate that it's just confusing
[17:44] <jens_> which is the preferred PDF-viewer in Linux?
[17:44] <Gentix>  I recently did an releasecandidate install but now that kubuntu 8.10 is out I'm not getting any option to upgrade from the release candidate.. how come?
[17:44] <spawn57`> for kde, okular
[17:44] <ardchoille> jens_: for kubuntu intrepid it's okular
[17:45] <spawn57`> Gentix: just use adept and it'll update to a release version for you
[17:45] <jens_> cool.. Im in 8.04.. I cant say Im overly impressed with KPDF :-/
[17:45] <Gentix> spawn57`: already tried that
[17:47] <spawn57`> Gentix: you should be updated then.
[17:47] <spawn57`> anyway, bed time for me
[17:47] <spawn57`> cya guys
[17:47] <Gentix> spawn57`: hrmms, seems that kde 4.1 has alot of bugs in it then....
[17:48] <tony_> Ciao Raga!
[17:48] <tony_> hi boy!
[17:48] <spawn57`> Gentix: it's not great, but it's usable for now
[17:48] <benklop__> Gentix: what bugs you encountering specifically?
[17:48] <tony_> who is it Italian????????
[17:48] <tony_> i want a server Italian
[17:48] <tony_> :'(
[17:48] <bazhang> !it
[17:49] <benklop__> heh.. bang it....
[17:49] <Gentix> benklop__: mostly within konqueror with loading pages and/or plugins as the flash plugin for example
[17:49] <tony_> Ok, tank you!
[17:49] <bazhang> prego :)
[17:50] <benklop__> Gentix: i've had some issuew with konqueror as well, but not really anything that wasn't an issue with kde 3.5. for me flash 9 works better than 10 in konqueror though
[17:51] <Mixed432> I am unable to configure wireless security on a linux client, WEP AND WPA will not work on ubuntu but it does on winXP, anyone has any ideas why???
[17:51] <Gentix> benklop__:  hrmmm, gues I better install kde 3.x for now.. ??
[17:51] <benklop__> Gentix: i'd just suggest using firefox when knoqueror fails you
[17:52] <Gentix> benklop__: I'm already using that option ;)
[17:53] <benklop__> Gentix: kde 4.2 comes out at the beginning of next year, so i'm expecting konqueror will improve more then.
[17:53] <benklop__> in the meantime bugfix releases are released pretty often
[17:54] <wolfjb> how do I use gpg with kmail in kubuntu 8.10? I have setup my key in the kmail crypto settings, but when I try to sign a message I get an alert that says 'invalid passphrase' even though I was never offered the opportunity to enter it. I have kgpg running and a gpg-agent running trying to make things work, but I'm not getting anywhere.
[17:54] <wolfjb> any help here?
[17:55] <wolfjb> I'm happy to rtfm, but the looking online I only found docs for mail from kde3.5
[17:55] <tadej> Hi guys quick question; the sound is coming from my computer if the earphones are plugged in, otherwise not. Any suggestion?
[17:56] <Mixed432> tadej, launch alsamixer and raise the volume up on the other outputs
[17:56] <Gentix> benklop__: what's the easiest way to get a full kde3.5 desktop?
[17:56] <Gentix> I know there's a metapackages but wich?
[17:56] <Mixed432> sudo apt-get kde-desktop
[17:56] <tadej> Mixed432: already done that
[17:57] <Mixed432> sudo apt-get install kde-desktop
[17:57] <bazhang> kubuntu-desktop
[17:57] <bazhang> not kde-desktop
[17:57] <Mixed432> Gentix:  what bazhang said
[17:57] <Gentix> hmmkay
[17:57] <benklop__> Gentix: i'm not sure on intrepid
[17:57] <Gentix> Thanx!
[17:58] <bazhang> !info kubuntu-desktop
[17:58] <Mixed432> tadej: so you mean you only get sound on the headphones but dont get sound on the other output?? what type of sound card do u have?
[17:59] <wolfjb> http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdepim has no documentation for kmail. and kwatchgnupg doesn't seem to have a package in kubuntu. is there no way to use kmail and sign messsages in kubuntu?
[17:59] <tadej> yes, that is correct; Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller
[18:01] <ardchoille> wolfjb: That's in the kmail config: Security > Composing > first checkbox
[18:03] <wolfjb> ardchoille: I checked that, but when I try to send a message, I get an alert saying 'bad passphrase'. I've never had the opportunity to enter a passphrase
[18:03] <ardchoille> wolfjb: Did you setup a gnupg key? kmail config: Identities > modify > Cryptography tab
[18:03] <Mixed432> tadej:  turn on your audio devices and type this in a terminal: "speaker-test -c2 -D default -t wav "
[18:03] <wolfjb> yes
[18:04] <ardchoille> wolfjb: Hmm.. that worked here, sorry
[18:04] <wolfjb> ardchoille: well, thanks for helping. appreciate the response.
[18:05] <tadej> Mixed432: if this is a sound test I'm not getting anything
[18:06] <tadej> it's making loops over front right/front left
[18:07] <Mixed432> tadej:  what is the output of this: " cat /proc//asound/cards"
[18:07] <jens_> When I connect to my server via SSH with Putty, the password prompt is instantaneous.. however when I connect via SSH from my linux desktop, there's a 6-7 seconds lag.. while 6-7 seconds lag wont kill my enthusiasm, I'm still curious why this is.. some dns lookup or something? Anyone got any ideas?
[18:08] <Mixed432> tadej:  then the sound test worked then?
[18:09] <tadej>  [Intel          ] HDA-Intel - HDA Intel, HDA Intel at 0xd8500000 irq 17
[18:09] <ectospasm> jens_: it's probably to do with DNS... make sure your Windows and Linux machines have the same DNS info.  Look at /etc/resolv.conf and make sure all nameservers are correct
[18:09] <genii> !intelHDA
[18:09] <Mixed432> tadej:  now what is the output of "cat /proc/asound/modules"
[18:09] <genii> Although that Intel HDA factoid is for alsa. I don't know if there is some pulseaudio equivelent yet
[18:10] <tadej> 0 snd_hda_intel
[18:11] <Mixed432> tadej:  so when you did the sound test you heard sound coming from the output you wanted to hear sound from or just the head phones??
[18:11] <tadej> only headphones
[18:12] <Mixed432> plug your headphones into the slot you want to hear sound from, if it's surround sound try all the outputs you see in the back of your pc
[18:13] <Gentix> oh man! Where's the tooltip image preview in konqueror 4 ???
[18:14] <tadej> there are only two slots where I can plug in my headphones, the slot for headphones and the otherone for mic. It does not, however, play any sound if it is in mic
[18:16] <jens_> ectospasm: thanks, will check resolv.conf
[18:17] <ectospasm> speaking of console lag... when I type into my irssi screen, I get no delays, but when I switch to a different window in irssi there's a half second delay or so.  And when I "sudo -i" there's a noticeable half to full second delay before it displays the password prompt... not sure if they're related...
[18:17] <Mixed432> tadej: so if the headphones work and the only  output is the headphones, what does not work???  you cannot get OUTPUT from a mic, mic is for INPUT
[18:18] <JackTop> does kde 4.1 have something like gkrellm ?
[18:20] <tadej> Umm..no, sorry I did not completely understand what you were saying. From the test, I only heard sound from headphones, but I would also like to hear the sound from my speakers
[18:22] <Mixed432> tadej:  where are you plugging in the speakers to??? you said you only have 2 slots, the mic and the headphones
[18:22] <tadej> a slot for headphones
[18:22] <tadej> oh no no sorry
[18:22] <tadej> it's a laptop
[18:22] <tadej> so they are integrated
[18:23] <Mixed432> tadej: if you unplut the headphones, can you hear the speakers???
[18:23] <tadej> nope
[18:23] <Mixed432> tadej: if you UNPLUG the headphones, can you hear the speakers???
[18:24] <tadej> I have already tried that.. and the answer is no :)
[18:25] <ectospasm> So how do I add widgets to the panel?  "Add Widgets..." doesn't work, reliably anyway.
[18:25] <Mixed432> tadej: it could just be a setting, if you go try QAMix and try raising the volume on the applets that you see, maybe it'll work
[18:26] <Mixed432> tadej:  if you're unable to hear sound from your LAPTOP speakers then it could be the drivers or maybe bad hardware, you can go to the "#alsa" room and when someone logs in they may be able to help you more
[18:26] <tadej> the speakers did work on 8.04 ... thanks for the helpž
[18:27] <tadej> help*
[18:27] <ectospasm> tadej: not sure if you've already looked, but check the full mixer settings
[18:27] <Gentix> tadej: does it have a cdrom drive and has it a volume button?
[18:27] <Gentix> tadej: I owned a laptop once and I had to turn it
[18:27]  * exia_ is away: Gone away for now
[18:28] <tadej> it does have volume buttons on a keyboard, but is't all set to 100%
[18:29] <Mixed432> tadej:  i would just go to the "#alsa" room and tell then you have a LAPTOP and the speakers dont work and they used to work withi 8.04
[18:29] <tadej> ok
[18:29] <tadej> thanks
[18:29] <Gentix> tadej: does kmix say it has any sounddevice available?
[18:29] <Gentix> tadej: sometimes you need to open up some pcm channel
[18:47] <foodcoman> kkathman!  Greetings again.  LTNS
[18:47] <kkathman> hey :)
[18:54] <jpedroza> hello all, I am having an issue where out of the blue I lose the ability to click with my mouse in 8.10. I can move the mouse, keyboard still functions, just no clickage. Has anyone else seen this?
[18:56] <jussi01> jpedroza: is it only on plasma? or in other progams also?
[18:56] <jpedroza> All applications are affected. The only way to return clickage is to ctrl-alt-Backspace
[18:57] <noobstyle> Hi! :) Can someone tell me how i install a .bin file in Kubuntu?
[18:57] <jpedroza> jussi01: It affectsa both mouse and trackpad
[18:57] <noobstyle> it is called "jre-6u10-linux-x64.bin" and is placed on the desktop
[18:58] <ilya> noobstyle: run terminal
[18:58] <stdin> noobstyle: sun java 6 is available in the repositories
[18:58] <stdin> !java
[18:58] <noobstyle> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre ?
[18:58] <stdin> noobstyle: yes
[18:59] <ilya> !ruby
[18:59] <noobstyle> ilya - how do i make Java work in Firefox?
[19:01] <ilya> noobstyle: you can call java applications from webpage using javascript
[19:02] <stdin> noobstyle: make sure you have sun-java6-plugin installed and restart firefox
[19:02] <noobstyle> hmm help me?
[19:02] <noobstyle> Terminal can't find sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[19:03] <ilya> noobstyle: *.bin ?
[19:03] <noobstyle> what?
[19:03] <stdin> it's in multiverse, same as sun-java6-jre
[19:03] <stdin> !info sun-java6-plugin
[19:03] <noobstyle> how do i install it in terminal?
[19:03] <noobstyle> sudo apt-get install what?
[19:03] <stdin> "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin"
[19:04] <ilya> noobstyle: try to set attribute "executable" and run this file itself
[19:04] <noobstyle> attribute?
[19:06] <ilya> !info mono
[19:06] <noobstyle> hmm
[19:06] <noobstyle> i am not sure what to write in Terminal now
[19:08] <crysis87> hye... anyone know how to play mp3 file using amarok!!??
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> !mp3
[19:08] <ilya> crysis87: yes
[19:09] <ilya> crysis87: install amarok-engines
[19:09] <noobstyle> ilya i cannot install sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[19:10] <ilya> try to type just "sun-java6-plugin"
[19:13] <noobstyle> without Sudo or anything? command not found
[19:13] <ilya> noobstyle: cd "~/Desktop/"
[19:14] <ilya> noobstyle: ./sun-java6-plugin.bin
[19:14] <noobstyle> jre-6u10-linux-x64.bin
[19:15] <ilya> noobstyle: oh, sorry :)
[19:15] <noobstyle> well im danish desktop = Skrivebord
[19:15] <noobstyle> it is in Home/Skrivebord
[19:15] <noobstyle> what is the total command i write in Terminal?
[19:16] <noobstyle> no sudo or anything! just:             cd "~/home/skrivebord/jre-6u10-linux-x64.bin/"
[19:16] <noobstyle> ?
[19:16] <ilya> noobstyle: no. just run this file
[19:16] <noobstyle> i do not know what to write in Terminal.. i'm all new to this
[19:17] <stdin> noobstyle: try "sudo bash ~/Skrivebord/sun-java6-plugin.bin"
[19:18] <noobstyle> bash: /home/marc/Skrivebord/sun-java6-plugin.bin: No such file or directory
[19:18] <noobstyle>  
[19:18] <noobstyle>  
[19:18] <noobstyle> it is :P jre-6u10-linux-x64.bin
[19:19] <noobstyle> still no such file or directory
[19:19] <basti> does anyone know hwo to remove/disable this personal image in kbfx?
[19:19] <ilya> noobstyle: try type just "sudo /home/marc/Skrivebord/sun-java6-plugin.bin"
[19:20] <noobstyle> marc@mhe:~$ sudo /home/marc/Skrivebord/sun-java6-plugin.bin
[19:20] <noobstyle>  
[19:21] <LuKe_US> Hello Folks,
[19:21] <noobstyle> Still doesnt work
[19:21] <noobstyle> command not found
[19:22] <noobstyle> we need an command
[19:22] <basti> noobstyle, are you sure it is there?
[19:22] <noobstyle> cd or bash or anything..
[19:22] <noobstyle> yes
[19:22] <basti> ls /home/marc/Skrivebord/
[19:24] <LuKe_US> I absolutely cannot figure out how to install the VMWare Tools on the Kubuntu OS..
[19:24] <noobstyle> sudo ls /home/marc/Skrivebord/jre-6u10-x64.bin
[19:24] <noobstyle> does not work
[19:24] <ilya> LuKe_US: use virtualbox
[19:24] <LuKe_US> I suppose I just do not understand the nature of the files... or What is equal to an .EXE
[19:25] <ubuntu_> hi to all ubuntu users :)
[19:25] <ilya> noobstyle: ls /home/marc/Skrivebord
[19:25] <LuKe_US> Meh... I dunno, I really like VMWare bud
[19:25] <ilya> ubuntu_: hello!
[19:25] <LuKe_US> Hello Worlds
[19:25] <ubuntu_> well is see that u are not sow many
[19:25] <sevenseeker1> LuKe_US: There used to be a vmware-install or vmware-tools-install (perhaps with a .sh or .pl file extension installed globally)
[19:26] <LuKe_US> What well.. I have that on the Kubuntu os but.. not sure WHAT the executable file to run... or what to run it in
[19:26] <LuKe_US> Still learning
[19:26] <sevenseeker1> LuKe_US: open up a terminal, and type vmware and hit tab twice
[19:27] <sevenseeker1> LuKe_US: That will show you what vmware tools/scripts are available to run after your install
[19:27] <noobstyle> ilya: ls /home/marc/Skrivebord/jre-6u10-linux-x64.bin
[19:27] <FuriousGeorge_> hey all
[19:27] <LuKe_US> ok
[19:27] <FuriousGeorge_> java is inexplicably not working here
[19:27] <ilya> noobstyle: command ls just shows all files in directory
[19:27] <FuriousGeorge_> ive installed sun-java-6-bin and i do have the java bin
[19:27] <noobstyle> well it found it
[19:28] <sevenseeker1> I have upgraded from 8.04 and now my synaptics pad has no scroll, is there a settings area for that?  I don't see it under mouse/keyboard
[19:28] <noobstyle> i became green with ls /home/marc/Skrivebord/jre-6u10-linux-x64.bin
[19:28] <FuriousGeorge_> for some reason when i go to websites that need java, ff says i lack a plugin
[19:28] <noobstyle> so we got the directory line
[19:28] <noobstyle> how to install ?
[19:28] <sevenseeker1> FuriousGeorge_: open up FF, and in URL window, type about:plugins (or it may be singular about:plugin)
[19:28] <LuKe_US> so it says execution aborted when I try to the install.pl
[19:29] <sevenseeker1> LuKe_US: run it as sudo (sorry, forgot to mention that), so 'sudo vmware-install.pl'
[19:29] <FuriousGeorge_> sevenseeker1: its not there
[19:29] <ilya> noobstyle: make sure that this directory includes "jre-6u10-linux-x64.bin" and then run it
[19:30] <noobstyle> i just installed it
[19:31] <noobstyle> but still no java in firefox
[19:31] <sevenseeker1> FuriousGeorge_: ok, so we know we don't have two competing ones.  Open up aptitude, synaptics, smart, whatever and search for sun-java6-plugin and uninstall if there, and then reinstall
[19:31] <sevenseeker1> noobstyle: you too, it may need to recreate links or somesuch
[19:32] <noobstyle> sudo apt-get remove sun-java6-jre
[19:32] <sevenseeker1> noobstyle: is sun-java6-plugin installed on your system?
[19:33] <noobstyle> how do i see if it is?
[19:33] <sevenseeker1> dpkg -l sun-java6-plugin and see if it prints 'ii' in the far left column
[19:33] <noobstyle> im removing it now
[19:33] <noobstyle> it is installed - removing it now
[19:34] <sevenseeker1> noobstyle and FuriousGoerge_: could you give me a URL to test mine on, I want to follow your progress since I just upgraded
[19:35] <noobstyle> www.javatester.org
[19:35] <sevenseeker1> heh, cool, thanks
[19:35] <aleboco> hi guys, am i the only one experiencing very bad/hard freezes randomly in intrepid?
[19:36] <noobstyle> i still can't install sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[19:36] <sevenseeker1> ok, java is working for me, although I upgraded from kubuntu 8.04
[19:36] <sevenseeker1> noobstyle: what error if any are you receiving?
[19:37] <noobstyle> server couldn't find sun-java6-plugin
[19:37] <FuriousGeorge_> sevenseeker1: fixed thanks
[19:37] <sevenseeker1> FuriousGeorge_: awesome, good job
[19:37] <sevenseeker1> noobstyle: ok, have you run 'sudo apt-get update'?
[19:37] <noobstyle> in 2 seconds i have
[19:38] <noobstyle> done
[19:38] <noobstyle> 'still no java
[19:39] <aleboco> kwin just doesn't work anymore. i can just move the mouse, and nothing else. no xorg reboot even.
[19:40] <sevenseeker1> noobstyle: can you check your /etc/apt/sources.list for the following entry? deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid multiverse
[19:40] <noobstyle> im running x64 - i googled it and it does not seem so i runs on 64bit
[19:40] <sevenseeker1> gah! that stinks
[19:41] <sevenseeker1> I guess I will be in the same boat soon, getting some athlon 64 systems soon
[19:41] <sena> hello all, does anybody know more about kvpnc and vpnc and some time out problems
[19:41] <noobstyle> well
[19:42] <noobstyle> i have to go
[19:42] <noobstyle> but thanks for the help :)!
[19:42] <sevenseeker1> sena: that is a broad set of possible problems, can you run in verbose mode and paste-bin your results?
[19:42] <noobstyle> much appreciated
[19:42] <sevenseeker1> noobstyle: good luck
[19:42] <scribbles> how do I list processes, I'm trying to kill ddclient so I can update its conf file and restart it
[19:43] <sena> well I am at home and I use it in my university I can describe my problem better maybe this will hepl a bit
[19:43] <sevenseeker1> scribbles: does ddclient have an init script and did you run it from there?
[19:43] <scribbles> i ran sudo ddclient
[19:43] <scribbles> in order for the changes to the conf file to stick the program can't be running correct?
[19:43] <sevenseeker1> scribbles: ok, try killall ddclient
[19:43] <sena> i am runnin kubuntu 8.04 and I installed kvpnc with adept
[19:44] <sena> i configured everything in kvpnc and it connects to the network without any problems
[19:44] <sena> i can tell you the versions of all deamons if you need
[19:45] <LuKe_US> Soooo.. On the VMWare Tools.. What specific file is suppose to be ran... ?
[19:45] <LuKe_US> What file extension is equal to an exe.. I Suppose is the proper question
[19:45] <sevenseeker1> sena: nah, I am not that intimate with it, but remember common problems and workarounds depending on the log messages
[19:45] <sena> so when i connect everything firefox skype .. have connection
[19:45] <ilya> LuKe_US: no extension
[19:45] <LuKe_US> HRm
[19:46] <scribbles> sevenseeker1: "ddclient: no process killed"
[19:46] <ilya> LuKe_US: executables have not extension
[19:46] <sevenseeker1> LuKe_US: well, scripts and binaries can be executable, run 'ls -l file' and see if 'x' shows up in the permissions on the left
[19:46] <sena> ok i will have a look at the logs and I actully look at the messages but the client is connected
[19:46] <ilya> LuKe_US: in UNIX
[19:46] <LuKe_US> Yes, this is Kubuntu
[19:46] <sena> at the beggining everything is fine and then firefox looses connection
[19:46] <LuKe_US> Runnin on  VMWare 6.0
[19:47] <sena> i saw that it maks tun0 interface
[19:47] <sena> with ifconfig -a
[19:47] <sena> and i thing its some kind of route problem
[19:47] <sevenseeker1> LuKe_US: well, it will be something similar to vmware-install, vmware-config, or the like
[19:47] <sena> have you had smth like this
[19:47] <LuKe_US> Let me check Seven
[19:47] <sevenseeker1> LuKe_US: could have no extension, or *.sh, or *.pl if I remember correctly (its been awhile)
[19:48] <ilya> LuKe_US: or *.rb or *.php
[19:48] <LuKe_US> Sooo I clicked install VMWare tools.. and it prompts to open with Dolphin
[19:49] <LuKe_US> One folder is Tar.gz and one is RPM
[19:49] <sevenseeker1> LuKe_US: open up a terminal, and run that command from the command like like 'sudo vmware-install.sh'
[19:49] <uman> is there a terminal command to know the system uptime? thanks
[19:49] <sevenseeker1> uptime
[19:49] <jens_> try uptime
[19:50] <sevenseeker1> LuKe_US: oh, I was assuming you had already installed vmware
[19:50] <uman> thanks
[19:50] <LuKe_US> I have it installed Seven
[19:50] <LuKe_US> I am running Kubuntu in VMWARe
[19:50] <LuKe_US> and trying to install VMWare tools
[19:51] <sevenseeker1> LuKe_US: doh, sorry, was thinking you were running this on the host, not the guest
[19:51] <sevenseeker1> LuKe_US: ok, so you are running the tools install from the menu and it pops open an editor?  Well, I usually opened up a terminal in the linux guest and ran the install like 'sudo vmware-tools-install.sh'
[19:52] <sevenseeker1> LuKe_US: if that is not available, then let me know... you have to extract the tar.gz file and run it from there, I will walk you through it
[19:52] <LuKe_US>  BRB let me try this
[19:53] <sevenseeker1> ok, question... with an upgrade from 8.04, do I need to reconfigure xorg.conf to use shmconfig for my synaptics touchpad to have scrolling?
[19:55] <aaroncampbell_> I just upgraded to 8.10, and while eth1 hows as up, and I can ping my router and dsl modem, I can't ping google, it's like the name servers aren't set up.  Where can I fix that?
[19:56] <seba__> !es
[19:57] <Bauldrick> aaroncampbell_: /etc/resolv.conf ?
[19:57] <booxter> hello guys! I'd like to ask you if it's possible to install kde4 translations from kde svn 'trunk' to Intrepid KDE4.1? I've installed the translations into /usr/share/locale-langpack/be@latin/LC_MESSAGES (compiled .mo files) but there is no my language option in KCMLocale module. My language is new for KDE and will be officially supported in KDE4.2 but I want to try it before release on KDE4 system available for me - Intrepid. Any suggestions? I think
[19:57] <booxter> that there is a file with available language options in the system somewhere, and the reason for my language miss is because I installed translations "by hand". Any thoughts?
[19:57] <aaroncampbell_> Bauldrick: that's an empty file (except for a comment that says "# Generated by NetworkManager"
[19:57] <sevenseeker1> I found this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config, but was wondering if a full reconfig / reset of all xorg and hal related files was possible (to pretend I didn't upgrade) as I have no custom 'stuff' in xorg to keep or port
[19:59] <nserat> ctrl+alt+Esc = killer window ......   not fount !!!!  kde4
[20:03] <Bauldrick> aaroncampbell_: I don't know NetworkManager... but I think that file should have your routers IP address in it
[20:05] <jussi01> How do I add things to the lancelot part menus?
[20:07] <LuKe_US> Soooo.. Ok there are 2 folders... one is VMWare Tools.tar.gz the other is VMWare Tools.rpm  I chose the tar.gz folder and opened it with that ARK program..  It extracts the files.. and I see an Installer folder
[20:07] <LuKe_US> Sound right so far?
[20:08] <aaroncampbell_> Bauldrick: I added the name servers to that file and it works now, but will they stay there?
[20:11] <Bauldrick> aaroncampbell_: not if that file is generated by networkmanager and networkmanager isn't telling it to do that. check networkmanager settings or use wicd (I like better - but who am I?)!!
[20:14] <jpedroza> I am still having the issue where mouse clicks get dropped. I have checked Google and have seen some bugs, but none of the solutions worked for me. I can still move the cursor, and navigate with the keyboard, but no clcking.
[20:14] <jpedroza> There are also no messages in dmesg, but I am not sure about the xorg logs
[20:15] <jpedroza> Even unplugging the mouse and reinserting fails to restore functionality
[20:16] <jpedroza> !java
[20:23] <GillesMM> amsn is not in intrepid ?
[20:23] <jpedroza> Can anyone tell me if there is a newer version of Quanta that doesn't require the KDE 3 kioslaves?
[20:24] <jpedroza> Since there are no KDE 3 kioslaves in intrepid.
[20:24] <sevenseeker2> ouch, got d/c: NetworkManager[5594]: segfaultat 6572662f ip b7db24fb sp bfb6c450 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.1800.2[b7d5a000+b5000]
[20:25] <jpedroza> or is there a way to use kde 3 kioslaves in KDE 4
[20:25] <emilsedgh> jpedroza: ?? kioslaves are part of kdelibs i think
[20:25] <emilsedgh> at least some basic ones like kio_http
[20:26] <amews_aj> I configured xorg.conf with "DisplaySize	338	254	# 1280x960 96dpi", but even if I increase the sizes A LOT, the dpi is still shown as 98x96 when doing xdpyinfo | grep resolution. What is wrong?
[20:26] <jpedroza> emilsedgh: I will install and see if that makes sftp function in Quanta...
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> GillesMM: i believe it is
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> GillesMM: sudo apt-get install amsn
[20:28] <jussi01> !info amsn
[20:28] <jpedroza> emilsedgh: Looks like the sftp is still non-functional in Quanta, I get a malformed URL error if I try and open a file using sftp. It works fine in Dolphin. See Bug #271074
[20:28] <GillesMM> emesene is amsn ?
[20:28] <emilsedgh> jpedroza: ah, no idea then :)
[20:29] <emilsedgh> jpedroza: but i was a quanta+ user myself but im more comfortable with kate now, give it a try.most of the quanta is kate
[20:29] <ActionParsnip> GillesMM: i dunno, i use pidgin for all chats but i just tab completed amsn in yakuake
[20:29] <LuKe_US> Yeah Pidgin is great
[20:29] <LuKe_US> My personal fav,
[20:30] <LuKe_US> Never used in in a Linux Enviro
[20:30] <Knowbama> f
[20:30] <Knowbama> ff
[20:30] <Knowbama> f
[20:30] <Knowbama> f
[20:30] <Knowbama> f
[20:30] <Knowbama> f
[20:30] <Knowbama> f
[20:30] <Knowbama> f
[20:30] <Knowbama> f
[20:30] <LuKe_US> Oh my gosh
[20:30] <Bauldrick> Knowbama: is that some kinda lisp
[20:30] <Knowbama> FUCK U
[20:30] <ikonia> ahhh pici won the race
[20:31] <exia_> can anyone say me plz how can i enter the directory if it's called for example "(2008) Sound Fiction" - it just doesnt let me open it (in shell of course)
[20:31] <adz21c> hi, I can't seem to get a hold of gb.archive.ubuntu.com, anyone else have this issue?
[20:31] <Pici> exia_: escape the spaces with backslashes or enclose the path with double quotes.
[20:32] <stdin> or use <TAB>
[20:32] <jpedroza> emilsedgh: Can kate manage a site at a project level, or just file level?
[20:32] <Pici> exia_: ie.: cd (2008)\ Sound\ Fiction
[20:32] <stdin> adz21c: yes, it's known. give it a few mins
[20:32] <adz21c> stdin: ok, thanks
[20:32] <exia_> Pici thanks!
[20:33] <stdin> fwiw, the parentheses need backslashing too
[20:33] <jpedroza> I am thinking I am going to try bluefish or screem
[20:34] <sevenseeker2> LuKe_US: back now, have you gotten any farther?
[20:34] <thismamacooks200> I made a package list using "dpkg --get-selections>ips" but "dpkg --set-selections<ips" isn't working
[20:34] <emilsedgh> jpedroza: it supports sessions and file browser plugin
[20:35] <OxDeadC0de> Update to all the users of the cpu frequency scaler plasmoid, there's a ruby version available now, I suggest you use that version. It works better and should be more stable without the python binding "bugs". Right click on desktop, add widgets, install new widgets, download from internet. It may require an "apt-get install libkorundum4-ruby1.8 libqt4-ruby libqt4-ruby1.8" to work
[20:35] <sevenseeker2> plasmoid, not familiar with that... what are the binding bugs, btw?
[20:35] <stdin> thismamacooks200:  sudo dpkg --set-selections < ips && sudo dselect-upgrade
[20:36] <OxDeadC0de> sevenseeker: the python plasma bindings weren't released in 4.1 branch, they're still not finished, some missing methods etc, I think ubuntu backported those in particular
[20:36] <OxDeadC0de> sevenseeker2: also sometimes the python version of the widget doesn't reload when plasma starts for me, that's another "bug"
[20:36] <sevenseeker2> OxDeadCOde: oic, what all does plasmoid allow you to do?
[20:37] <OxDeadC0de> sevenseeker2: cpu frequency scaling, set your cpu to Xmhz supported or change the governor to set it automatically (like ondemand, powersave, performance, conservative)
[20:37] <stdin> why not use Guidance Power Manager?
[20:37] <OxDeadC0de> that didn't let me set the frequency using the userspace governor
[20:37] <sevenseeker2> OxDeadC0de: oh, so is this a replacement/competitor to the normal power manager?
[20:38] <OxDeadC0de> it's a copy of the cpu frequency scaling applet available to gnome users
[20:38] <OxDeadC0de> not as fancy though, just a drop down box version
[20:38] <stdin> OxDeadC0de: you could file a but against it for adding the version
[20:38] <stdin> and it's not a copy, both are just frontends
[20:39] <OxDeadC0de> when I started it I said to myself, "I'm going to copy the functionality of the gnome cpu freq scaler applet", that's what I mean by copy
[20:40] <sevenseeker2> stdin: is Guidance the default kde applet for powermanagement?  I have an icon but it is saying only 'Power Manager'
[20:41] <stdin> sevenseeker2: should be there by default, try right-clicking it
[20:41] <OxDeadC0de> I have kpowersave atm, but with it I can only set the governor, not the frequency with userspace governor, the other powermanager that came by default did the same for me
[20:41] <stdin> and it's a "Good Thing" ™ that they have the same functionality
[20:41] <sevenseeker2> just says, 'Power Manager' oh well, just was curious
[20:42] <OxDeadC0de> stdin it is for me, when I'm watching a flash video fullscreen for example I don't need my cpu at 1.8ghz which all the governors want to set it to, 800mhz is fine for me
[20:42] <stdin> even "Dynamic" ?
[20:42] <OxDeadC0de> or when my computer starts to get to 100C I set it to 800mhz to keep from overheating
[20:43]  * thismamacooks200 is installing dselect
[20:43] <dvheumen> hi, could anyone try to reproduce the following crash (I'm trying to determine if it is config related) ... on any KDE window (border), right click, "Configure Window Behavior", Tab: Windows, Tab: Buttons, enable "Use custom titlebar button positions"
[20:45] <fedebe> ca parle rancais ?
[20:45] <thismamacooks200> stdin:ah! that gotem. its installing the packages now. thanks
[20:45] <fedebe> francais
[20:45] <stdin> !fr
[20:45] <fedebe> stdin> pas de kubuntu fr ...
[20:45] <jpedroza> Looks like I will be in Bluefish until Quanta comes up to par with 4.1
[20:46] <sevenseeker2> dvheumen: no crash here, I enabled and hit ok both with no crash
[20:46] <sevenseeker2> dvheumen: 'Apply' and 'OK' (not enable)
[20:47] <dvheumen> sevenseeker2: k, for me it crashed already before the 'tick' is shown in the box, tnx ... probably a config problem
[20:47] <stdin> fedebe: écrire /join #kubuntu-fr
[20:49] <MinusSeven> I installed an nvidia driver
[20:49] <MinusSeven> ran he nvidia config, but the settings don't seem to get saved
[20:49] <billyj> hello guys
[20:50] <MinusSeven> when I reboot, it goes back to a different resolution
[20:50] <billyj> Does anyone know something about  Wireless card intel 4965 AGN ?
[20:50] <billyj> how could i turn it in monitor mode
[20:50] <login_> alguem ai de fortaleza ?
[20:50] <genii-around> !br | login_
[20:50] <stdin> !bt
[20:50] <stdin> !br
[20:50] <login_> what ?
[20:50] <login_> heheheehe
[20:51]  * genii-around hands stdin a coffee
[20:51]  * stdin gluggs
[20:51] <billyj> I eant it for aircrack
[20:51] <billyj> I want it for aircrack
[20:52] <binskipy2u> hey guys what is the command to save your kde taskbar , plasma settings?
[20:52] <binskipy2u> after you get done setting it up the way you want
[20:52] <joana> erfe
[20:52] <billyj> joana apo pou eisai?
[20:53] <stdin> just save your ~/.kde/ dir somewhere
[20:53] <stdin> !gr
[20:53] <binskipy2u> kde plasma &&
[20:53] <binskipy2u> something like that
[20:53] <binskipy2u> that saves your current settings
[20:54] <dvheumen> does anyone know how I can delete all the current KDE(3) settings?
[20:54] <stdin> binskipy2u: huh? what would *start* plasma
[20:54] <binskipy2u> no.. after you set it up the way you want
[20:54] <binskipy2u> how do you save the way it looks
[20:54] <aaroncampbell> I upgraded to 8.10, and my desktop wallpaper only shows on the left (main) monitor.  It used to show on both.  I have two 1680x1050 Dell monitors
[20:54] <stdin> binskipy2u: it does automatically
[20:54] <binskipy2u> i set up everything. something freezes.. i restart
[20:54] <binskipy2u> and its back to original
[20:54] <binskipy2u> it wont stay
[20:55] <stdin> dvheumen: did you upgrade to intrepid yet?
[20:55] <dvheumen> stdin: yeah I did ... (sorry, should've said that :P)
[20:55] <dvheumen> stdin: but the current settings obviously cause some problems, so I want to make a fresh start (without reinstalling everything :P)
[20:55] <stdin> dvheumen: then all the old settings would be upgraded to KDE 4 now, no way to separate them out
[20:56] <exia_> can anyone tell me please how should I "disable Internet Sharing/NAT/firewall/ISP cache"? i guess its just NAT... cant launch shoutcast server for the internet, locally it works perfect
[20:56] <dvheumen> stdin: but isn't there a way to delete all KDE settings (both of 3 and 4) so I can make a fresh start?
[20:56] <stdin> dvheumen: if you want a clean start. logout and start a console session, then "mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.bak". that will regenerate all the settings
[20:57] <dvheumen> stdin: k, tnx :)
[20:57] <OxDeadC0de> this looks like a bug with combobox's on the panel http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=75778153lx8.jpg , had it in the python one too
[20:57] <stdin> you can then start adding things back if all goes well and see what the trouble was. or just start over
[20:57] <OxDeadC0de> oops wrong chat room sry
[20:57] <K`zan> Hi folks, there was a root console in one of the menus and it finally closed and now I can't find it, can someone tell me what the name of that application might be?  TMIA!
[21:00] <exia_> can anyone tell me please how should I "disable Internet Sharing/NAT/firewall/ISP cache"? i guess its just NAT... cant launch shoutcast server for the internet, locally it works perfect
[21:00] <amews_aj> Anyone who knows what to do about messed up fonts in wine? The text is just like a lot of random dots and lines.
[21:00] <OxDeadC0de> k`zan if there isnt one you can always add one with gksu konsole as the command (or some other graphical su program)
[21:00] <stdin> exia_: you probably have to forward some ports in your router
[21:01] <K`zan> OxDeadC0de: I know I can do that, but I liked the setup for the root console, seems it just disappeared :-/.
[21:01] <dvheumen> Is the KDE4 (Intrepid) application launcher button really an arrow???
[21:02] <OxDeadC0de> dvheumen it is for me, because I changed it to an arrow (I use the lancelot menu typically,  but have both the regular and lancelot menus available on my panel)
[21:02] <stdin> apparently, though I found removing it and adding it again restored it
[21:03] <dvheumen> OxDeadC0de: I actually mean the original icon of the original menu, because it's the "previous" |< for me
[21:03] <OxDeadC0de> very strange dvheumen, try stdin's suggestion, remove it and re-add it
[21:04] <dvheumen> OxDeadC0de: that's after I started with a fresh config :D
[21:05] <stdin> when I upgraded to intrepid I had 2 main panels, one was setup from my last KDE 4 install, and the other was the default panel. even with the default theme :p
[21:07] <dvheumen> stdin: hehe, so I'm not the only one with the strange surprises, that's good to know :D
[21:10] <sourcemaker> is there a release date for the next kde 4.1.3?
[21:10] <alexei> hi, did anybody managed to get subpixel font rendering with *slight* or *medium* hinting in QT applications? My fonts come out always too thin as if full hinting was enabled.
[21:10] <dvheumen> Well, thanks for the input everyone, I'm gonna fiddle around some more with the amazing surprises of KDE 4 :P
[21:11] <alexei> OTOH gtk application handle this combination well
[21:12] <patrick> sup sup sup
[21:12] <aaroncampbell> Is there anyone that can walk me through some networking issues I'm having on the new 8.10
[21:12] <Guest55800> what are ya trying to do
[21:13] <oim> hi to every one
[21:13] <Guest55800> im gonna start networking up my server to my workstation
[21:13] <oim> my kdebluetooth 4 is not starting. how can  use my blutoth dongle
[21:14] <OxDeadC0de> Partick you should do /nick somenickname to change it from Guest55800
[21:15] <neoartifact> I converted to linux about 3.5 month ago and I have no intention of going back to windows lol
[21:15] <neoartifact> just thought i would throw that in
[21:16] <OxDeadC0de> glad to have you with us neoartificat ^^
[21:16] <thedark_> what does the capture channel in kmix->Input represent?
[21:16] <OxDeadC0de> your mic input?
[21:18] <OxDeadC0de> thedark_ most likely mic input via alsa device
[21:18] <thedark_> ok I have it unmuted and at max volume, why can't I record in audacity?
[21:19] <thedark_> I have everything unmuted and at max volume
[21:19] <OxDeadC0de> do you have pulseaudio running?
[21:19] <thedark_> I don't know...what is pulseaudio?
[21:19] <DrrtEgrrT> is anyone familiar with wine?
[21:19] <marekt> hi can you helpwith vpn ?
[21:19] <neoartifact> yeah i know wine
[21:19] <OxDeadC0de> the dark_ try changing the audacity command to pasuspender audacity and try again
[21:20] <OxDeadC0de> !wine
[21:20] <DrrtEgrrT> I can not get wine to run for anything
[21:20] <OxDeadC0de> Drrtegrrt how did you install it?
[21:20] <neoartifact> sometimes some windows apps wont run on a fresh wine install
[21:20] <DrrtEgrrT> add/remove
[21:20] <OxDeadC0de> I installed the repositories on winehq, gives a newer version
[21:21] <DrrtEgrrT> trying to play spore
[21:21] <neoartifact> i had to add libraries to my wine windows folder to get things to work
[21:21] <DrrtEgrrT> win32 files
[21:21] <thedark_> pasuspender not installed
[21:21] <OxDeadC0de> and if you already had wine before, try renaming your old .wine folder
[21:21] <thedark_> I guess I need to install it?
[21:22] <OxDeadC0de> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=12614
[21:22] <OxDeadC0de> thedark_ never mind, you don't have pulseaudio installed that can't be the issue
[21:22] <OxDeadC0de> drrtegrrt http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=12614
[21:23] <DrrtEgrrT> let me see.
[21:24] <OxDeadC0de> neoartificat i didn't, wine automatically installs it's own native ones on a clean home folder, and a default registry, but I can add windows dll's and override the native ones to get more things to work "right(tm)" in it
[21:24] <thedark_> agh I try every device to record in Audacity, have the input volume up, and it won't record anything from my Mic or my system!ARGHHHHHHHHHHHH
[21:25] <Mehrab> hey guys
[21:25] <stephan> in 8.04 i could open a mp3 folder on a audio cd
[21:25] <stephan> where is this gone on 8.10
[21:25] <paradigm> I have a quick question, I'm sure it's asked a LOT...but I heard the 'rule of thumb' for the amount of swap is double your current RAM, anyone agree/disagree, and why?
[21:25] <Mehrab> I can;t login to my kubuntu desktop. after logging in just a white screen can be seen
[21:25] <stdin> stephan: do you have kdemultimedia-kio-plugins installed?
[21:26] <stdin> paradigm: generally, but the larger the RAM the smaller the swap needs to be
[21:26] <paradigm> stdin, I have 4g currently, so should I make 8g swap? Or?
[21:26] <stdin> unless you want to be able to suspend to disk, then it needs to be at least the size of RAM
[21:27] <stdin> if you want to suspend to disk (hibernate), then I'd say 5GB is a generous amount
[21:27] <stdin> if not, then don't go over 2GB
[21:28] <genii-around> If you want suspend-to-disk and perhaps are suspending it while using already the RAM size of your swap, is when you need that much
[21:28] <stephan> stdin: yes its installed
[21:28] <Mehrab> how can I deactivate my graphic driver in console mode?\
[21:28] <stdin> stephan: try going to audiocd:/ in konqueror or dolphin then
[21:29] <Slylias> How can I disable the internal wireless card on my laptop? (I have an external dongle I'd like to use instead)
[21:30] <stdin> Slylias: sometimes there's a switch on the laptop, other times there's an option in the BIOS
[21:30] <genii-around> Slylias: If for good, then look in your computer bios for an area like Peripherals   or so.
[21:30] <stephan> stdin: yes that works, in 8.04 there was a "auto open" dialog which has done the correct thing, seams now broken
[21:30] <stdin> if not then you can find out what driver it's using, then add it to the backlist
[21:30] <Slylias> I ment a way to do it in ubuntu
[21:31] <genii-around> Slylias: Then in the blacklist
[21:31] <Slylias> but I'll reboot and check.
[21:31] <paradigm> stdin, alright, thanks =)
[21:31] <paradigm> Oh, can anyone give me a link/information on possibly resizing an already used NTFS partition, is this possible?
[21:32] <stephan> paradigm: gparted
[21:33] <Slylias_> Sorry, I got disconnected
[21:33] <Slylias_> How do I blacklist the wifi card?
[21:34] <aaroncampbell_> Is there anyone that could help me with some networking issues on 8.10?  I can't get nameservers to stay put.  I can only access things by IP
[21:34] <genii-around> Slylias_: Find what driver it uses. Then add that driver name into the file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[21:35] <Slylias_> okay, how do I find out what driver it uses?
[21:35] <genii-around> Slylias_: That depends on what kind of card it is.
[21:35] <paradigm> stephan: gparted?
[21:36] <genii-around> Slylias_: In Konsole, what is the result of command:    lspci | grep Ethernet                 ?
[21:36] <Slylias_> nothing
[21:37] <Slylias_> no output
[21:37] <Slylias_> oh, wait
[21:37] <Slylias_> -ChanServ- [#kubuntu] Welcome to #kubuntu! Please read the channel topic and consider spending some time on the FAQ mentioned there. This channel is publicly logged. The official Ubuntu logs are at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[21:37] <Slylias_> <-- DracNoc (n=DracNoc@ip-87-82-123-97.easynet.co.uk) has left #kubuntu ("Gone To Chat With Smurfs")
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 How can I disable the internal wireless card on my laptop? (I have an external dongle I'd like to use instead)
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[21:37] <Slylias_> oops
[21:37] <Slylias_> sorry
[21:38] <hazzy> That's ok
[21:38] <Mehrab> ﻿I've installed nvidia 173 driver, and now after working for some time I just have a white screen in my kubuntu 8,10 desktop
[21:38] <Slylias_> 01:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 20)
[21:38] <Slylias_> 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8055 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 12)
[21:38] <Slylias_> Those are the entries
[21:38] <Mehrab> any idea what should i do?
[21:39] <genii-around> Slylias_: What make is the dongle one?
[21:39] <marekt> hi i would be really thankful if somebody help me with pptp connection
[21:39] <Slylias_> ALFA, with a realtek 8187 chipset
[21:39] <paradigm> What is gparted?
[21:39] <Slylias_> the marvell one listed is my wired connection
[21:39] <Slylias_> the realtek one listed is the one I want to disable.
[21:39] <stdin> 8185 uses rtl8180
[21:40] <stdin> do blacklist that module
[21:40] <stdin> 8187 uses rtl8187, so it should be ok to disable the other
[21:40] <OxDeadC0de> DrrtEgrrt: this one says 1.0.1 works flawlessly on new wines, check out setting up the winehq repo for wine instead of using ubuntu's: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=13839
[21:40] <stephan> kde 4 is really slow here, i have already disabled effects but its still nothing compare to 3.5
[21:42] <OxDeadC0de> I don't know stephan for me it uses about 5-10% of dual core 800mhz when idleing, not to bad for firefox, pidgin, and a few applets running
[21:42] <OxDeadC0de> I use compiz too + nvidia drivers which eats some cpu
[21:43] <hazzy> Eh, to be honest, I see no difference in speed from KDE 3.5
[21:43] <northboy> ﻿﻿﻿﻿﻿why I can't see anything in my kubuntu desktop? I just have a white screen
[21:44] <OxDeadC0de> northboy Did it ever work for you? Did you just upgrade? is it a new user?
[21:44] <OxDeadC0de> does it work for new users?
[21:45] <DrrtEgrrT> Im working on this now.
[21:45] <northboy> ﻿OxDeadC0de: Im using it for ssome day, I think this is because of installing nvidia 173 driver today
[21:46] <OxDeadC0de> I use 177
[21:46] <stdin> northboy: did you have desktop effects enabled before installing the driver?
[21:46] <stephan> OxDeadC0de: its a 1.6ghz centrino here
[21:46] <vasilisa>  in konqueror, using kde4, is it impossible to right-click/delete folders on the navigation panel? :/
[21:46] <OxDeadC0de> stephan 800-1600mhz turion x2 tl-56 here
[21:47] <OxDeadC0de> er, 800-1800mhz I mean
[21:47] <stdin> vasilisa: navigation panel?
[21:47] <vasilisa> stdin: The left pane, using konq as a file browser
[21:47] <northboy> ﻿stdin: I did it one time and exactly the same thing happened, but after that I disabled desktop effect
[21:47] <vasilisa> it used to let me right-click and delete till i installed Intrepid
[21:48] <stdin> vasilisa: there's only one display in the window, the file display. how did you enable that panel?
[21:48] <vasilisa> settings>show navigation panel ?
[21:48] <stephan> is there a why to hide dock icons like in 3.5 ?
[21:48] <vasilisa> used to be under view, now its under settings
[21:49] <paradigm> Is gparted safe? Will there be damage to my NTFS partition?
[21:49] <stdin> northboy: make sure it's disabled by looking in ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc and searching for "[Compositing]" and "Enabled=false"
[21:49] <vasilisa> kde on hardy used konqueror with this browser by default.
[21:49] <stephan> paradigm: always backup important data before formatting
[21:49] <stephan> paradigm: ther is alway a hance that you loose all your data
[21:50] <vasilisa> paradigm: Yeah, though you'll usually be fine. just better safe than sorry
[21:50] <stdin> vasilisa: hmm, apparently it's not possible then. you could file a bug at http://bugs.kde.org if you want it back
[21:50] <northboy> ﻿stdin: I've just checked it
[21:50] <paradigm> stephan: well, beyond the annoyance of installing programs and what not again, I have no 'important data' on there. all of my work stuff is on a USB stick
[21:50] <vasilisa> stdin: >.< So they just , took it out?
[21:51] <paradigm> Alright, I'll go through with it
[21:51]  * paradigm fingers crossed.
[21:51] <vasilisa> stdin: I also cant right-click archives and say 'extract here' in konq anymore
[21:52] <steinar> noen som skriver norsk
[21:52] <stdin> vasilisa: it wasn't "taken out", just not added to the KDE 4 version
[21:52] <aaroncampbell_> Is there anyone that could help me with some networking issues on 8.10?  I can't get nameservers to stay put.  I can only access things by IP
[21:52] <vasilisa> i see...
[21:52] <vasilisa> ugh, but dolphin is just so unattractive.
[21:52] <vasilisa> i guess i'll set it as my standard browser again. *sigh*
[21:53] <stdin> dolphin is not so bad, it's quite a decent file manager
[21:53] <stdin> you just have to give it a chance
[21:53] <vasilisa> im really fast in konqueror, especially at sorting image files. but i dont really have a choice i suppose
[21:53] <stdin> konqueror, in fact, uses dolphin under the covers to display it's file management
[21:53] <northboy> stdin: do you know the exact name of the package: nvidia 173 driver? maybe uninstalling it would solve the problem
[21:54] <sevenseeker2> if I want to scrap my xorg.conf and regen it from scratch, is the best method to run 'dpkg --configure xorg'?
[21:54] <stdin> northboy: nvidia-glx-173 ?
[21:54] <OxDeadC0de> northboy can't you just uninstall from jokcey?
[21:54] <OxDeadC0de> jockey*
[21:55] <northboy> ﻿OxDeadC0de: what is jockey?
[21:55] <OxDeadC0de> northboy in a console type: jockey-kde
[21:55] <vasilisa> stdin: BTW, maybe you can help me figure out why i have to use xbindkeys for keyboard shortcuts? KDE's daemons simply dont work at all.
[21:56] <northboy> ﻿OxDeadC0de: aha, ok, Im going to try it
[21:56] <stdin> sevenseeker2: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" may work
[21:56] <northboy> stdin: thanks, I'm gonna try it
[21:57] <sevenseeker2> stdin: thanks
[21:58] <andrei_> hello, i had some problems with kubuntu install. I want to install it on a special partition with grub on it. (hd0,4) or sda5 gave me an error.  Why not usr the gtk installer during the install, it works better...
[21:58] <stdin> vasilisa: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/253337
[21:58] <paradigm> I just tried to resize my partition with gparted and it wouldn't let me, I got an error?
[21:58] <vasilisa> stdin: oh, its a known bug. so i guess i'll just wait oni t
[21:59] <vasilisa> at least xhotkeys is fantastic
[21:59] <vasilisa> er xbindkeys
[22:00] <stdin> should hopefully be fixed in the next point release of KDE
[22:00] <aaroncampbell_> Is there anyone that could help me with some networking issues on 8.10?  I can't get nameservers to stay put.  I can only access things by IP
[22:01] <stdin> aaroncampbell_: in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf you can add a line with "prepend domain-name-servers <IP of DNS server>;" to add a permanent DNS server to use
[22:01] <paradigm> I just attempted to resize my NTFS, and give myself 25g of space to install ubuntu, however it said there was an error and the operation couldn't be completed?
[22:02] <aaroncampbell_> stdin:
[22:02] <aaroncampbell_> stdin: I'll do that for now.  Seems like I should be able to0 configure them somewhere, but knewtowrkconfigure or whatever it's called seems mostly useless
[22:02] <KDesk> Is not possible to install amarok-kde4 and amarok 1.4 at the same time?
[22:02] <aaroncampbell_> It doesn't seem to do anything
[22:03] <stdin> aaroncampbell_: that is the place to configure it actually, dhcp overwrites /etc/resolv.conf every time it's run
[22:03] <stdin> not very friendly of it
[22:04] <vasilisa> stdin: Crud, dolphin crashes just trying to open a picture....
[22:05] <Alan_Lockwood> Hi
[22:05] <Alan_Lockwood> Is someone here using Kubuntu 8.10?
[22:05] <aaroncampbell_> stdin: so once I modify the file, what do I need to do to make it take effect?
[22:05]  * sevenseeker2 raises hand
[22:05] <Alan_Lockwood> I cant keep 1280 x 1024 :(
[22:05] <vasilisa> Alan_Lockwood: I am. First time im bleeding edge... maybe wasnt such a good idea huh
[22:06] <Alan_Lockwood> lol
[22:06] <Alan_Lockwood> maybe not
[22:06] <sevenseeker2> same here, I upgraded to test... oh well
[22:07] <vasilisa> everything crashes for me, code blocks cant pop up windows, hot keys downt work... yeah, im considering downgrading until its matured a bit
[22:07] <aaroncampbell_> stdin: also, are the servers space separated?  I restarted networking, but still no-dice
[22:07] <Alan_Lockwood> does anyone know why 8.10 is so animated? I uninstaled Compiz, but it still not using Kwin.
[22:07] <vasilisa> Alan_Lockwood: The special effects in kde4 have to be turned off. t
[22:08] <vasilisa> Alan_Lockwood: They're built into it :P
[22:08] <Alan_Lockwood> where?
[22:08] <vasilisa> Alan_Lockwood: I forget, but i think its in system settings... hang on
[22:08] <vasilisa> yeah appearance
[22:08] <vasilisa> wait no... where was that
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> desktop affects are in the desktop section
[22:09] <KDesk> KDE 4 has nice effect without composition.
[22:09] <vasilisa> ah!
[22:09] <KDesk> 4.1..
[22:09] <stdin> aaroncampbell_: it should be separated by spaces, yes. try "sudo dhclient -r eth0 && sudo dhclient eth0" (replacing eth0 with the interface)
[22:09] <vasilisa> Alan_Lockwood: System settings / desktop
[22:09] <Alan_Lockwood> ok, ty
[22:09] <vasilisa> Alan_Lockwood: Turn off the effects there if they annoy you. they annoyed me, so i had to turn em off. 1 gig of memory and a 1.5 gz processor
[22:09] <vasilisa> Alan_Lockwood: I cant be too flashy
[22:10] <hazzy> Something that had always bugged me about KDE was that there wasn't a lot of room on the task bar for open windows, is there any way to display them in columns?
[22:11] <Alan_Lockwood> Ok, Desktop effects are down now =)
[22:11] <vasilisa> stdin: How do you set what dolphin opens files with?
[22:11] <brandon__> I have Kubuntu 8.10 amd_64 and am having problems with my nvidia geforce 6100 graphics card.
[22:12] <brandon__> Everytime I enable it I just get a black screen when I reboot.
[22:12] <brandon__> Can anyone help?
[22:12] <vasilisa> brandon__: Just run envy-ng. its in the repos. i hate setting graphics up, so i let that program do it
[22:12] <stdin> vasilisa: System Settings -> Advanced -> File Associations
[22:12] <vasilisa> brandon__: it'll go grab drivers, install them, reboot
[22:12] <brandon__> Thanks, I will try that
[22:12] <vasilisa> stdin: ... oh it uses the system settings. Ok, well, any way to do a right-click "extract" in dolphin?
[22:13] <brandon__> I have the drivers, and nvidia settings, but when I reboot I just get a black screen and I am a NOOB! lol
[22:14] <vasilisa> brandon__: at least you're not trying to do it with an ati
[22:14] <brandon__> If that is the same version of envy that I tried last night, it does the same thing
[22:14] <brandon__> lol no doubt
[22:14] <vasilisa> download envy from the repos. envy-ng
[22:14] <vasilisa> it usually just works
[22:14] <brandon__> I will try now.
[22:14] <vasilisa> n.n
[22:15] <stdin> vasilisa: not sure
[22:15] <stdin> vasilisa: maybe they know in #kde ?
[22:15] <vasilisa> stdin: nobody ever answers me in #kde ;)
[22:16] <stdin> they never will unless you ask ;)
[22:16]  * stdin is in a "proverb" mood
[22:16] <vasilisa> stdin: I did X) only the crickets reply
[22:16] <aaroncampbell_> stdin: that command seemed to fix the name servers, but it killed my static IP, and I can't figure out how to put it back
[22:20] <sevenseeker2> does anyone know if a) webex works on ubuntu, and b) if not, a good alternative?
[22:20] <jpedroza> !kdewebdev
[22:20] <seba_> !es
[22:21] <jpedroza> is anyone aware of a channel for the KDEWebDev package?
[22:23] <stdin> aaroncampbell_: how did you set the static address? KNetworkManager asks for a DNS server when setting a manual IP
[22:24] <aaroncampbell_> stdin: I set it in 8.04, when knetworkmanager worked for me :|
[22:24] <aaroncampbell_> I think I got it back now...I restarted networking and it came back... DNS stayed
[22:25] <stdin> aaroncampbell: if it doesn't come back another time, you can just "echo nameserver <IP Address> | sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf" too add a name server
[22:25] <stdin> and it should take effect immediately
[22:27] <brandon__> vasilisa I am getting the same black screen. I think I can change the xorg.conf file, but I need one to look at to make sure I have it right.
[22:27] <vasilisa> brandon__: well i dunno anything beyond using envy, i hate that stuff ;)
[22:27] <brandon__> vasilisa I am beginning to hate it as well.
[22:30] <brandon__> does anyone else have any help to offer on this?
[22:30] <brandon__> It would be greatly appreciated
[22:33] <scandune> hi
[22:35] <aaroncampbell_> stdin: yep, after a reboot everything's broke again (eth0 & eth1 are both enabled, eth0 should not be and there are no name servers)
[22:35] <aaroncampbell_> There's got to be a permanent solution
[22:37] <scandune> did u wiki it?
[22:37] <patrick> hey everyone
[22:37] <scandune> hi patrick
[22:38] <aluno> /echo aa
[22:38] <aluno> oii
[22:38] <Guest65108> i have a quick Q, with kubuntu 8.10, nvidia drivers 177 and compiz, the graphics are fairly slow on a 8800GT
[22:38] <Guest65108> is there any way to make it snappier?
[22:38] <aluno> change your nvidia ;)
[22:38] <Guest65108> on hardy it was way faster
[22:38] <scandune> or write ur own driver :)
[22:39] <scandune> 8.10 is still going to be slow cuz it just came out
[22:39] <Guest65108> ok
[22:39] <scandune> give it a while and more of the kinks will work out
[22:39] <Guest65108> i managed to make it bearable by installing compiz-icon and setting loose binding to on, and indirect rendering to on
[22:40] <cuznt> is the card configured correctly?
[22:40] <cuznt> !nvidia
[22:40] <Guest65108> its still teary when moving windows, but at least the applications now open faster and min-maximise faster
[22:40] <aluno> HELLO
[22:41] <scandune> i tried 8.10 out for a day then switched back
[22:41] <scandune> my sound wasnt working :(
[22:41] <aluno> look on your weboage fabrication
[22:42] <scandune> RAWR
[22:42] <Guest65108> how can i configure the nvidia card?
[22:42] <Guest65108> i have nvidia x server config applet
[22:43] <Guest65108> not sure about cli based configs
[22:43] <cuznt> it would seem something is amiss.
[22:43] <Guest65108> hey scandune, have you set all your sound device entries to ALSA?
[22:43] <ubuntu_> how many sound cards are soported by hardy ubuntu ?
[22:43] <cuznt> mine is good
[22:43] <scandune> nvidia conf
[22:43] <cuznt> i have gforce5500
[22:43] <Guest65108> k
[22:43] <scandune> i think
[22:44] <scandune> cuz with ati cards its aticonf
[22:44] <cuznt> !sound
[22:44] <aluno> !sound
[22:44] <scandune> yeah i made sure my sound was working before i degraded
[22:45] <scandune> is ubittu a bot?
[22:45] <scribbles> I setup apache2 to use port 8080 and 80 is blocked by comcast. locahost:8080 shows the default It Works! page but my external ip:8080 doesn't work. I forwarded in my router to this port and even turned off my firewall to see and it still doesn't work? what gives?
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> oh yeah new desktop http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj93/andrew_woodhead666/Desktop.jpg?t=1225838682
[22:45] <ubuntu_> alsa is soporting all soud cards ? hellou ? because i listen mpr files and try to speak on skyp eans is not working...sow the codecs are not sow good or maybe my sound card is not soported ?
[22:45] <cuznt> !botsnack
[22:46] <scandune> lol yum
[22:47] <scandune> ehh that desktop is ugly
[22:47] <ubuntu_> SUNT SI ROMANI PE AICI ?
[22:47] <Guest9229> i had loads of problems with sound in ubuntu 8.04. sometimes its good to set everything to alsa, and sometimes it's good to dedicate an application solely to OSS
[22:48] <ActionParsnip> scandune: default kwin with some running apps
[22:48] <Guest9229> i have a text reader that uses OSS
[22:48] <alesan> hi the other day somebody pointed me to an howto how to install KDE 3.5 on ubuntu 8.10
[22:48] <alesan> it was in a forum or something
[22:49] <alesan> can you help me to retrieve that?
[22:49] <scandune> yeah i see that
[22:49] <scandune> i just dont care for the backgrount
[22:49] <Guest9229> lol i have gnome and kde installed, i went back to gnome sorry.. :D  KDE apps lag sometimes
[22:49] <alesan> Guest85697, me too I went to gnome now
[22:49] <alesan> but still I think KDE 3.5 was better than gnome
[22:49] <scandune> haha did u google it?
[22:49] <aaroncampbell> I restarted my system after working on a networking issue I had (upgraded to 8.10 earlier today), and now I can't get desktop effects to turn on.  I go to Application->System->Desktop Effects, change it to standard and click apply, but nothing happens
[22:49] <alesan> while kde4 is like windows vista
[22:50] <Guest9229> hey is 7553 fps in glxgears good?
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> alesan: im a fan of fluxbox
[22:50] <aaroncampbell> It was working about 10 minutes ago, rotating cube and all
[22:50] <aaroncampbell> just how I had it in 8.04
[22:50] <Guest9229> i got an intel core duo 6550
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> alesan: kde4 is lighter in ram ive heard
[22:50] <Guest9229> 8800GT
[22:50] <alesan> ActionParsnip, and? I have 4GB of RAM
[22:50] <Guest9229> i heard kde was rough on ram
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> alesan: good for you, still leaves more resources for more apps
[22:51] <alesan> KDE4 is simply unusable, you cannot even place the quick lanugh buttons on the taskbar
[22:51] <alesan> launch
[22:51] <aluno> and have any core two duo express.. 12mb cache, using two hdd 1tr only raid 1
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> alesan: works for me :)
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> alesan: just dont use kwin and you are ok
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> alesan: you are refering to kwin not kde with the quicklaunch stuffs
[22:52] <alesan> ActionParsnip, yes I want KDE3.5 (with dolphin uninstalled of course)
[22:52] <Guest9229> whats wrong with dolphin?
[22:52] <scandune> so here is a ? i got i have icons that i have downloaded and put them in my./icon folder. how do i apply these to my current theme since when i go to the system> preferences> appearance> customize it wont install them since there is no package installer
[22:53] <alesan> Guest85697, what is wrong with konqueror I would say
[22:53] <Guest9229> its got ftp and is quicker than naut'
[22:53] <ActionParsnip> alesan: Guest9229: both suck, use command line
[22:54] <ActionParsnip> !themes
[22:54] <ActionParsnip> !changethemes
[22:57] <Guest9229> ok, some people have been ripping into me about using the cli for file management instead of using a gui file manager
[22:57] <Guest9229> why is it that i feel that using cli for that purpose is shit slow.. lol
[22:58] <Dragnslcr> !language
[22:58] <scandune> LIES
[22:59] <scandune> !changethemes
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> Guest9229: you'll probably find the people are well versed
[22:59] <Guest9229> sorry about language
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> Guest9229: i use cli for file management and have a billion scripts to do stuff stupidly fast
[22:59] <runpain2> i am running Ubuntu under kde desktop and cant see a icon for my internet connection in the panel on bottom how can i get it to show either ethernet or wireless when they are connected
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> Guest9229: but ive been in linux a while and these have amassed over many many years
[23:00] <runpain2> i am running Ubuntu under kde desktop and cant see a icon for my internet connection in the panel on bottom how can i get it to show either ethernet or wireless when they are connected
[23:00] <ActionParsnip> runpain2: do you mean network manager or just the webbrowser
[23:00] <scandune> right click on the panel and click add
[23:00] <runpain2> network manager
[23:00] <Guest9229> hmmm, so with cli, you sort of have to remember the whole path
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> runpain2: run knetworkmanager
[23:01] <Guest9229> like when copying files, you gotta know the path string.. i usually forget it fairly easily lol
[23:01] <Guest9229> i have a pea brain lol
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> Guest9229: no most is abstracted, plus you have tab completion to help loads
[23:01] <Guest9229> hmm
[23:01] <Guest9229> i must learn more about cli
[23:01] <scandune> if you forget you should be able to navigate through the dir/ ls command
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> Guest9229: well you gotta click the folder names, I just type a bit of it and press tab
[23:02] <Guest9229> im a web developer and i need to shave time anywhere possible
[23:02] <Guest9229> so cli sounds good to me
[23:02] <runpain2>  knetworkmanager dont have it installed
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> Guest9229: its what suits you
[23:02] <david__> Hello does anyone know how to fix the into song in 8.10? Mine plays partially I was hoping to fix it.
[23:02] <Guest9229> yeah true
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> runpain2: sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> Guest9229: like everything in any OS
[23:03] <scandune> go into system>preferences>sound
[23:04] <Guest9229> i moved from windows to linux, and so far i love it because i dont feel guilty using pirate windows software.. lol!
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> Guest9229: very little paid software in linux
[23:04] <Guest9229> its oem windows, but i install it on every other computer
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> Guest9229: it might not suit the requirement of the system
[23:05] <david__> I don't see preferences
[23:06] <scandune> in the upper pannel?
[23:06] <ubuntu_> oem windows is not a russian product ?
[23:06] <DarkSmoke> lol
[23:06] <scandune> its the first one down from system
[23:06] <ubuntu_> guest 9229
[23:06] <scandune> what do u mean u dont see it
[23:06] <DarkSmoke> the russia mafia released it ? :P
[23:06] <ubuntu_> not the rmafia , lol
[23:07] <Guest9229> oh yeah?
[23:07] <vasilisa> Anyone know how to fix dolphin crashing every time you try to move files?
[23:07] <Guest9229> lolool
[23:07] <vasilisa> pretty bad bug
[23:07] <ardchoille> is there any way to get Kate to "use system colors" in Hardy?
[23:07] <Guest9229> nah it says dell when you install it
[23:07] <vasilisa> Specifically, its only when there's a preview window open. My guess is its seg faulting because its trying to load the picture as its moved
[23:07] <Guest9229> its windows vista
[23:08] <ubuntu_> hey, sombody knows why , now mwwnitme i install hardy heron , i have this problem "An attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from the CD failed"
[23:08] <david__> scandune: Sorry but the sound area has nothing for the intro song
[23:09] <Guest9229> i always call it windows crapsta (crap is not a swear word, its a gambling machine and you gamble your livelyhood when using vista)
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> ardchoille: i acn see the colour setings in kate settings
[23:09] <scandune> there should be a sound tab
[23:09] <scandune> in the sounds section
[23:09] <scandune> in that section you can config ur system sounds
[23:09] <ardchoille> ActionParsnip: yeah, I just need to get in there and set them, too bad it doesn't respect system colors like other apps
[23:09] <david__> the advanced
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> ardchoille: how about kwrite instead
[23:10] <ubuntu_> An attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from the CD failed
[23:10] <ubuntu_> why ?
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> Guest9229: if you dont like it, dont install it
[23:10] <scandune> try from the main server not the cd
[23:10] <ubuntu_> whell i"m installing ubuntu
[23:10] <scandune> or is the cd inserted????
[23:10] <ubuntu_> right now
[23:10] <david__> scandune: I see one called backend
[23:11] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu_: add the cd as a repo in synaptic
[23:11] <ubuntu_> and?
[23:12] <Guest9229> ActionParsnip: yeah i'm not going to install it. It's a 10GB virus.
[23:12] <ubuntu_> lol
[23:12] <ubuntu_> guest9229 why do you say that ? 10 gb of virus ?
[23:13] <ardchoille> ActionParsnip: That's be good as long as kwrite can have a tabed ui. I tend to have dozens of files open in an editor
[23:13] <ActionParsnip> ardchoille: give it a whirl
[23:13] <david__> is it possible to change the startup song?
[23:13] <ActionParsnip> ardchoille: it can be uninstalled
[23:13] <ubuntu_> what is a repo ¿
[23:13] <Guest9229> vista = 10GB installed (roughly) and it downloads viruses, regardless of what antivirus software you have
[23:14] <Guest9229> so vista is like a trojan
[23:14] <ubuntu_> vista is a big shit , sombody just buy a pc today and get a virus hehehhehe
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> !repo
[23:14] <ubuntu_> whit vista installed
[23:15] <Guest9229> open your browser, naively download an innocent looking file, run it, and suffer the consequences
[23:15] <ActionParsnip> just buy systems with no OS
[23:15] <Jed_84> hello everyone
[23:15] <ardchoille> ActionParsnip: is there a way to have a tabbed ui in kwrite?
[23:15] <Guest9229> with linux, the chances of it happening is 0.00000001%
[23:15] <Jed_84> is there any "Cube" effect for KWin4 like Cube effect in Compiz?
[23:15] <ActionParsnip> Guest9229: theres that user protection system installed which helps. just dont be a windows idiot and run everything as administrator
[23:16] <ubuntu_> yes , u buy a sistem whit no os and u cannot install other exept vista with the new bios made just for vista ;)
[23:16] <KDesk> When I delete a file in amarok a message apears: "could not start process unable to create io-slave: klauncher said unknown protocol trash" in Intrepid, what can I do?
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> Guest9229: there are linux virii, dont be fiooled
[23:16] <Guest9229> yes i am aware of that
[23:17] <aaroncampbell_> I restarted my system after working on a networking issue I had (upgraded to 8.10 earlier today), and now I can't get desktop effects to turn on.  I go to Application->System->Desktop Effects, change it to standard and click apply, but nothing happens
[23:17] <Guest9229> but not as many as windoze
[23:17] <tara_> cià
[23:17] <aaroncampbell_> Also, all my network stuff is broke again (eth0 & eth1 are both enabled, eth0 should not be and there are no name servers)
[23:17] <david__> Hi Tara
[23:17] <aaroncampbell_> Anyone know what to do?
[23:17] <tara_> hi
[23:17] <ActionParsnip> KDesk: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=285133&page=5
[23:17] <tara_> i'm new here
[23:17] <david__> I am too
[23:17] <Guest9229> hahaha id rather type my password everytime than run everything as admin
[23:17] <tara_> is the first time i connect here
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> Guest9229: theer are vastly more vulnerabilities in software though
[23:18] <KDesk> ActionParsnip: I have already googled...
[23:18] <ubuntu_> hi guys
[23:18] <david__> are you new to linux?
[23:18] <ubuntu_> well i think many of us are new in linux :P
[23:18] <tara_> i use it from some months
[23:18] <tara_> i started with ubuntu 8.04
[23:18] <ubuntu_> good choise
[23:19] <tara_> now i'm from a montyh with kubuntu
[23:19] <david__> me to
[23:19] <ActionParsnip> KDesk: i got no idea then as thats all i was gonna do
[23:19] <ubuntu_> i must restart go go go
[23:19] <david__> do you have 8.10 now?
[23:19] <KDesk> ActionParsnip: ok, thanks anyway :)
[23:19] <tara_> yes
[23:19] <ActionParsnip> KDesk: does a reboot help?
[23:19] <david__> how do you like it?
[23:20] <tara_> i like it a lot
[23:20] <david__> me too
[23:20] <tara_> i have some problems with webcam drivers
[23:20] <tara_> that's all
[23:20] <david__> a little buggy though
[23:20] <ActionParsnip> !webcam | tara_
[23:20] <KDesk> ActionParsnip: nop, I have this problem since Intrepid, I think Amarok need some kde 3 libs or apps.
[23:20] <tara_> and sometimes dunno
[23:20] <Guest9229> webcams are a beach
[23:20] <tara_> maybe cause my pc is really old
[23:20] <tara_> well
[23:20] <tara_> it get crazy
[23:21] <Guest9229> i used a rather interesting set of drivers to get my cam working
[23:21] <ActionParsnip> KDesk: amarok                                     2:1.4.10-0ubuntu3                           versatile and easy to use audio player for K
[23:21] <ActionParsnip> KDesk: runs great for me
[23:21] <ActionParsnip> KDesk: dpkg -l | grep -i amar
[23:21] <KDesk> ActionParsnip: the same version.
[23:22] <Guest9229> the cam drivers are called "gspca"
[23:22] <tara_> philisp spc 710 nc
[23:22] <tara_> i searched but i didnt find nothing in the past
[23:22] <tara_> my cam remained dark
[23:22] <david__> Does anyone know how to access the intro wav file?
[23:22] <tara_> really dark
[23:22] <linux_> oi galera!
[23:23] <cuznt> creative cams rarely work vs they are supposed to
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> KDesk: try sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get --reinstall install amarok
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> david__: how do you mean intro wav?
[23:24] <david__> ActionParsnip: When you open Kubuntu and you hear sound jingle mine cuts out too short
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> david__: try: sudo find / -name *.wav
[23:25] <OxDeadC0de> mine seems to cut off as soon as pulseaudio starts
[23:26] <tara_> bye all
[23:26] <tara_> viva linuc
[23:26] <tara_> linux
[23:26] <tara_> fanculo bill gates
[23:26] <david__> bye tara
[23:26] <tara_> cià
[23:26] <Guest9229> lol.. i got virtualbox running with windows xp, for photoshop purposes, and windoze crashed.. so I turned off the virtual machine and rebooted.. problem solved. all without leaving linux.. beautiful
[23:26] <Guest9229> see ya
[23:27] <Guest9229> windows inherently needs loads of reboots.. i have a linux server that has been running non-reboot for about 2 months now
[23:28] <edt> in 8.10 how do you set the taskbar to autohide and only appear when the lower edge of the screen is touched?
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> Guest9229: photoshop runs in wine and cedega
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> Guest9229: i have professional sql servers at work with 2 years uptime
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> Guest9229: running win 2003
[23:29] <david__> OxDeadC0de: Mine does it the same way
[23:30] <edt> ActionParsnip all up to date with the latest security patches?
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> edt: waiting for a decent time to reboot after sp2
[23:31] <aaroncampbell> I'm trying to enable desktop effects, which was working about an hour ago, but nothing happens.  I tried running desktop-effects-kde4 from the cli and enabling "standard effects" (clicking apply) and here is what it said: http://paste2.org/p/96993
[23:31] <tacosarecool> Lol all this time
[23:31] <aaroncampbell> Anyone know what's wrong?
[23:32] <tacosarecool> The problem with my sound is I just had to mute something
[23:32] <edt> I find, that while many oses can go long times between reboot, its usually not a good idea.  At my office we try to schedule reboots every three to four months, never waiting more than a year...
[23:32] <linux_> hello!
[23:33] <Guest9229> yeah i had photoshop running in wine
[23:33] <Guest9229> but it's not quite the same
[23:33] <Guest9229> theres a few bugs
[23:33] <Guest9229> in virtualbox its really smooth, almost like im using windows installed on a physical machine
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> Guest9229: im a gimp fan :)
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> aaroncampbell: do you have 3d accelleration?
[23:34] <Guest9229> hahaha yeah
[23:34] <Guest9229> gimp is good
[23:35] <aaroncampbell> ActionParsnip: I should
[23:35] <Guest9229> i got gimpshop the other day to help me gradually make the transition
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> aaroncampbell: glxinfo | gre -i direct
[23:35] <Guest9229> i have to use flash cs3 as well though so hence why i use virtual windows
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> aaroncampbell: you got direct rendering?
[23:35] <aaroncampbell> ActionParsnip: direct rendering: Yes
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> aaroncampbell: cool
[23:36] <david__> some of my sound programs work and some don't
[23:36] <Guest9229> vmware and the rest work horrible compared to VBose
[23:37] <Guest9229> its amazingly good
[23:37] <aaroncampbell> ActionParsnip: I used to be able to enable effects by going to Application->System->Desktop Effects, change it to standard and click apply, but now nothing happens
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> aaroncampbell: all i can suggest is: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> Guest9229: id disagree but i guess it varys
[23:38] <Guest9229> yeah it does
[23:38] <chrisruls00> Is there anyway on 8.10 to o back to the old adept manager? I liked it better.
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> !sound | david__
[23:38] <Guest9229> vmware works fine on my other comp
[23:38] <Guest9229> windows is quite smooth
[23:38] <aaroncampbell> ActionParsnip: and then how do I use it to enable effects?
[23:38] <Guest9229> but VB works good on it also
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> chrisruls00: nope, depends too deeply on KDE3
[23:38] <DarkSmoke> Guest85697: tried playin' call of duty 4?
[23:38] <DarkSmoke> :p
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> aaroncampbell: run ccsm in konsole
[23:38] <Guest9229> all depends on the virtualisation extension on the processor
[23:38] <DarkSmoke> you'll be playin' like a ship in a desert
[23:38] <DarkSmoke> :p
[23:39] <chrisruls00> ok, well I'm trying to install the new beta 96 driver for nvidia and I can't find it in the new one.
[23:39] <aaroncampbell> ActionParsnip: I used that to adjust all the settings before, but the problem is...I don't know how to turn them on.  Once they're on, I can adjust them
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> DarkSmoke: games in vms is not gonna perform well, cod runs ok in wine / cedega
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> DarkSmoke: there may be a linux installer for it
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> aaroncampbell: compiz --replace &
[23:40] <DarkSmoke> ActionParsnip: at the loss of graphics, smoothen smoke edges and long field(or what is it called) must be disbabled for it to work
[23:40] <DarkSmoke> ;p
[23:40] <aaroncampbell> ActionParsnip: will that be permanent, or will I need to do that after any reboot?
[23:41] <david__> ubottu: I don't see that I have 8.10
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> aaroncampbell: add a bash script to run it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> that sound macro is outdated...
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> !br > linux_
[23:48] <mn> what is kwrapper?
[23:49] <edt> In 8.10 how do you set the taskbar to autohide and only appear when the lower edge of the screen is touched?
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> edt: you can't do that with KDE 4.1, you will be able to in KDE 4.2
[23:51] <edt> JontheEchidna guess I wait for 4.2 before switching - thanks for the answer
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> yup, no problem
[23:51] <edt> kvm is great for testing new dists
[23:55] <eduardo__> necesito ayuda
[23:55] <eduardo__> en español
[23:56] <jussi01> !es | eduardo__
[23:56] <Mojo_risin> how can I set the sound to USB output in Kubuntu?
[23:56] <condon> I know some channels don't like having links posted, is it OK to post a link to an screenshot segment I've uploaded that I have a question about?
[23:57] <jussi01> Mojo_risin: system settings - sounds - set the priority you want
[23:57] <jussi01> condon: thats fine
[23:57] <jussi01> condon: just dont spam us :)
[23:57] <Mojo_risin> jussio1: in the hardware tab?
[23:57] <condon> Wouldn't ever
[23:57] <jussi01> condon: thanks for asking though :)
[23:57] <aaroncampbell> What happened to the quick launch in 8.10?
[23:58] <condon> http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g180/mmould03/?action=view&current=WheredTheyGo.jpg
[23:58] <jussi01> aaroncampbell: what do you mean by quick launch?
[23:58] <condon> Can someone tell me whe my icons do this?
[23:58] <condon> it's constant
[23:58] <nejode> eduardo__: la mayoría de los canales ubuntu y kubuntu también están localizados por país: #ubuntu-ve, #ubuntu-ar, #ubuntu-co, etc
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: that applet that had the tiny launcher icons for apps
[23:58] <condon> When I open a new ap, they go back to normal, (all but the network status icon, it just stays black)
[23:59] <jussi01> condon: yeah, thats a known bug afaik
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> aaroncampbell: let's just say you wouldn't want to use it in its current state. Should be much better (and included) in kde 4.2
[23:59] <aaroncampbell> jussi01: I used to have icons for my most used programs next to my KDE button (thunderbird, firefox, Komodo IDE, etc)
[23:59] <condon> oh, ok.  Hopefuly a fix in 4.1.3?
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> aaroncampbell: if you really want it you can download it from kde-look.org and compile it
[23:59] <Mojo_risin> jussio1: the audio device combo doesn't include any usb option