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pittiseb128: bonjour09:02
seb128hello pitti09:02
pittiseb128: would you mind if I SRU bug 259799?09:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 259799 in glib2.0 "Suggestion: support for ecryptfs in Nautilus" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25979909:02
pittiseb128: (hiding "ecryptfs" mounts)09:02
seb128go for it09:02
pittistill no response from upstream, but it's trivial09:02
pittiseb128: ok, merci09:02
seb128lot of green on the sru lists for intrepid that's nice ;-)09:07
pittiyeah, good to have many developers using intrepid :)09:08
huatsmorning everyone !09:15
seb128lut huats09:16
huatsplop09:17
seb128pitti: btw can I restart the intrepid retracers or are you still working on ddeb?09:17
seb128mvo: hey, do you know if the intrepid kvm not booting an hardy iso is a known issue?09:19
pittiseb128: oh, sorry; please restart them09:21
seb128pitti: ok doing now09:22
pittiseb128: ddeb.u.c. is grinding quite fine now; no lockups any more, gpg seems fine, and indexes seem correct09:22
seb128cool!09:22
pittiit's still horribly slow, though09:22
pittibut at least I tracked it down09:22
pittiit's not actually apt-ftparchive generating Packaes09:22
pittibut apt-ftparchive taking aaaages to compress it to Packages.gz09:23
seb128weird09:23
pittioh, I should set up jaunty09:23
* pitti does it now09:23
mvoseb128: let me check09:24
seb128mvo: I get the language selector, can validate that but the menu next doesn't work so I can't actually boot it09:26
mvoseb128: I heared about that one, is that a 8.04 or a 8.04.1 CD?09:26
seb128pitti: what is the duplicate database consolidation about exactly btw?09:26
seb128mvo: I guess 8.04, I don't think I downloaded 8.04.1 but I can try that one09:27
pittiseb128: the dup db has a bug status (open/fixed in version V)09:27
pittithis is used for deciding whether a duplicate is really a dup or a regression09:27
didrocksmorning o/09:27
seb128pitti: what is it doing exactly to take over an hour on ronne?09:27
pittithis consolidation thing runs through the actual launchpad bugs, grabs their status, and updates the open/closed status in the dup db09:27
pittiseb128: quering Launchpad is what makes it so slow09:28
seb128so it goes through the whole list every time?09:28
pittiseb128: yes09:28
seb128hum09:28
seb128ok09:28
pittiseb128: if I had direct DB access (readonly), it would be a matter of seconds, I presume09:29
seb128lut didrocks09:29
didrockslut seb12809:29
seb128pitti: that might be something worth asking, a dump of those informations somewhere09:29
pittiseb128: not a dump, but direct readonly DB access09:29
seb128right, that one might be trickier to get, but if they are wanting to do that ;-)09:30
pittiseb128: bdmurray uses such a thing for some custom queries09:30
pittiso I think it's not that hard actually09:30
pittiokay, ddebs.u.c. cronjob for jaunty set up, and running now09:31
pittithat should have covered all ddebs so far, so nothing should be lost09:31
seb128mvo, pitti: could somebody reply to the current comment on bug #293441?09:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 293441 in gedit "gedit not responding in 8.10" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29344109:37
pittiseb128: I can answer the public key thing09:38
pittiseb128: but he didn't say that it crashed? seems to be a permission problem09:38
* pitti writes a wiki page about debug symbols09:38
seb128pitti: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash has instructions09:39
pittiah, adding it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash09:39
seb128pitti: right the pubkey question09:39
Hobbseeseb128: pubkey info answered.09:43
seb128Hobbsee: hey, thanks ;-)09:43
Hobbseeseb128: you're welcome.  How's it going?  :)09:43
pittiHobbsee: ah, I was going to point them to the wiki page update I'm just writing :)09:44
Hobbseepitti: that works too09:44
pittianswered09:53
pittiHobbsee: that actually requires apt-key, not just gpg --recv-key09:53
Hobbseepitti: oh, that's a point.09:54
seb128Hobbsee: good thanks, relaxing week after intrepid (if you don't count the bug flood coming from users who just upgraded) ;-)09:55
seb128Hobbsee: you?09:55
Hobbseeseb128: yeah, pretty good.  Assignments and such,before the end of uni.  :)09:58
seb128urg10:54
seb128pitti: 71 open bugs on gnome-mount, most seem not have been triaged, do you think you could have a look to clean the list a bit this cycle or should I add that to my todolist?10:54
pittiseb128: that's actually on my TODO list already, but I simply didn't get to it yet :(10:58
seb128pitti: ok good, I'll try to triage some of those too10:58
seb128hey pedro_11:01
pedro_salut seb128!11:01
seb128pedro_: how are you?11:01
seb128did you manage to catch up on the weekend desktop bug flood yet? ;-)11:01
pedro_seb128: I'm good thanks, how about you?11:02
seb128I'm good too thanks!11:02
pedro_seb128: eek i'm still reading bug mail, ~3500 to read, not having a good internet connection while you're at conferences really sucks :-/11:02
seb128pedro_: you should mark all as read, or at least all the bugs where I did post a comment11:03
seb128pedro_: I opened my mailed on saturday and had like 300 new bug mails so I decided to clean a bit during the weekend to not have some thousand bugs to read on monday11:03
pedro_seb128: ah ok, I'll do that then. btw have you seen bug 269441?, it's the opposite we are used to see with the trash11:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 269441 in gnome-applets "Trash always full" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26944111:04
seb128pedro_: I try to use the web interface now to triage components, less stressing than reading inbox ;-)11:05
seb128pedro_: I think the issue is "update doesn't always work correctly" which can go both way, the code didn't change a lot between hardy and intrepid11:06
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pedro_seb128: yeah i tend to use the web interface also for not going crazy with email11:08
pedro_seb128: ah ok that makes sense then, thanks you11:08
seb128pedro_: one efficient way to sort bugs is newer first filtering one bugs which have no upstream task open yet11:12
mvoI wish there was a "most-recently-changed (but not by me)" filter11:20
Hobbseeseb128: is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/240472 a libgnomeui bug, or a kubuntu one?12:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 240472 in kubuntu-meta "firefox3 breaks in kubuntu when certain programs are installed" [Undecided,New]12:01
Hobbsee(or a heisenbug)12:02
seb128Hobbsee: that's not a libgnomeui bug, could be some ia32lib issue or local bug or kubuntu dunno12:03
seb128mvo: right that would be useful12:04
seb128lunch time bbl12:04
Hobbseeseb128: OK, thanks.12:04
asacwhen is -desktop meeting today?12:50
asacdid we say 1600 UTV?12:51
asacUTC12:51
crevettedamn my karma decreased, how it is possible!!!12:57
asaccrevette: I took all the bug credits13:16
asacby doing 24/7 bug triage the last 5 days or so ;)13:16
asaci think i gaine 5k bug karma ;)13:16
asacgained13:16
crevetteasac, I'm back to 996 I was 100x 2 days ago13:16
asaccrevette: thats not really a big decrease ;)13:17
crevettenot but I was happy to go over 100013:17
asachehe13:17
asaccrevette: just triage 50 new bugs for firefox ;)13:17
asacor 200 if you want :)13:18
asacnetwork-manager surely has enough new bugs too ;)13:18
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asacHobbsee: libqtengine not in ia32libs?14:06
asacseb128: isn't there supposed to be  a -desktop meeting today?16:00
pittihello16:00
pittidesktop meeting starting now16:00
pedro_hello everybody16:00
asachah16:00
ArneGoetjehi16:00
seb128asac: right, it's right now, and on this chan16:00
* pitti pinged bryce, Riddell, kwwii to join16:00
asacinspiration ;)16:00
pittiArneGoetje: there?16:01
ArneGoetjepitti: yes16:01
pittibryce, Riddell: hello16:02
Riddellhi16:02
* bryce waves16:02
pittinew release, new meeting time, new meeting place :)16:02
pittieveryone recovered reasonably from the release crunch?16:02
pittiScott asked me to do the meeting and report today, he doesn't feel well16:02
seb128pitti: being fighting the bug flood now ;-)16:03
seb128it's amazing how many bugs we got during the weekend16:03
asaci took some rest by doing 24/7 bug triaging ;)16:03
pittiyeah, I felt that, too; spent half of my day reading bugs and the other half processing SRUs :)16:03
asacbut looking back that prevented me from recovering so far ;)16:04
pittiit's great to see so many bugs fixed, though16:04
pittisad that we had them in the first place, but that was to be expected from an edgy-like 4-month release16:04
* pitti orders asac to get some sleep and watch some movies16:04
pittiI can only recommend playing TIE fighter in dosbox :-P16:04
asacthat, but also most users just dont test our releases until its out16:04
pittiyeah, classical chicken/egg problem16:04
* bryce nods16:04
asacapt-cache dosbox16:05
asacsearch16:05
pittiI still need activity reports from Riddell, mpt, and kwwii16:05
pittiso, obviously there is nothing spec wise to discuss today16:05
pittiand nobody sent in any meeting topics16:05
pittiso I'll make this quick16:06
pittibut I'd like to do some bug review16:06
seb128pitti: do we know when jaunty is likely to open?16:06
pittihttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/intrepid-updates16:06
pittiseb128: not yet, waiting for some manual bootstrapping from infinity16:06
pittibut please don't let that stop you from doing merges16:06
pittiuploading to jaunty works, it's just held in unapproved until the toolchain is sorted out16:07
pittiso, above bug list is the one which should be in the distro^Wplatform team's focus for the next time16:07
bryceah cool16:07
pittiI took the freedom to assign bugs to people16:07
pittiwhere it was clear that they were working on it and there was a patch, etc.16:07
seb128lot of fix commited there already ;-)16:07
asacok ... i will go over my list and assign them to me16:08
pittiasac, bryce: that particularly affected you; let me know if that disturbs your bug workflow16:08
pittiasac: I already did16:08
asacnot all ;)16:08
pittimainly because it is good to have assignees on the milestone list16:08
pittiasac: in a minute16:08
pittinote that I *only* assigned when there was visible progress16:08
pittithere are a few which affect our team which don't have assignees16:08
pittithose are the ones I'd like to skim over right now16:08
asacyeah ... 284212 was fix committed ;) most likely you missed that progress then16:08
pittibug 27113816:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 271138 in xorg "mouse and keyboard unresponsive when gdm first runs" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27113816:09
pittibryce: that still looks fishy and unreproducible; do you happen to have a better idea about this?16:09
seb128there is a bug similar to that which got comments recently16:09
pitti@all: don't worry, it's just some 6 bugs, not too much16:09
* seb128 search number16:09
asacpitti: did you assemble the meeting page with our reports? i reported status on all of those i think16:09
seb128oh that was this one16:10
pittihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2008-11-04 is the version so far16:10
asacthanks16:10
pittiasac: ah, great; sorry, I got to know that I do the meeting too late, didn't manage to walk over this16:10
asacno problem. go ahead ;)16:10
seb128bug #26425616:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 264256 in gdm "gdm startup is not moved from 21 to 30 on upgrade" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26425616:10
pittibryce: I take the silence as a "NFC"? :-)16:11
seb128mvo: ^ did you get some upgrade bugs about that?16:11
bryce271138: I've not reproduced it myself, but obviously this is an area where there's been some changes, so maybe there's a hw-specific corner case16:11
pittiseb128: oh, that would make it earlier than hal indeed16:11
seb128I used to have the "no mouse no keyboard on login screen" issue during some days and it stopped before intrepid16:11
pittibryce: but I think the gdm prio has already been checked in that?16:11
bryce271138: we've seen lots of unique hw-specific things pop up, so it wouldn't surprise me.  I'll look at it more.16:11
brycepitti: ok; I've not read through the entire bug yet16:12
asacseb128: i remember that i had something like that too ...on my thinkpad16:12
asacbut its long gone16:12
seb128pitti: well the issue got fixed for me so I'm wondering if there was not several issues and still some users who have a config which didn't get migrated correctly on upgrade16:12
pittiseb128: most likely16:12
crevettehello16:12
pittianyway, worth checking the gdm prio for all reporters in the bug16:12
pittibug 25916816:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 259168 in pptp-linux "Network Manager unable to connect to PPTP VPN" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25916816:13
seb128crevette: lut, middle of a metting right now16:13
pittiasac: seems you have a patch for this?16:13
pittiasac: well, report says "working"16:13
asacPPTP -> yes. a patch for proper authentication16:13
asacand also the options things is needed here16:13
asacbut i have a patch for that too16:13
pittiso that doesn't have any triaging problems, it's a SMOP?16:13
asacoptions (lcp-...)16:13
pitticool, thanks16:13
mvoseb128: no, let me read16:13
pittimind if I assign to you?16:13
asacthat bug? sure16:14
pittiasac: bug 262191 as well then? properly understood and everything?16:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262191 in debian "MASTER [regression] VPNC plugin - no option to only save group password available" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26219116:15
asacpitti: thats not fixable without UI changes16:15
asacpitti: in report i have status: patch, with concerns16:15
pittiasac: ok, so it's understood and will be fixed in jaunty, but possibly not be SRUed16:16
pittiRiddell: any idea about bug 290695?16:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 290695 in adeptmgr "Adept allows editing filenames in Details view" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29069516:16
asacpitti: possible. i have some other ideas, but not a patch for that16:16
asacpitti: but surely fixed in jaunty. but i want to wait for proper upstream solution that currently discuss how the applet can deal with that in a user friendly way16:17
pittiasac: you want to keep it on the milestone list for now as a possible target, or dump it because it's too intrusive?16:17
Riddellpitti: that would be nice for an SRU, I've not looked into it but I've seen others look into it and I think there's a patch16:17
asacpitti: keep it. there might be a workaroudn without UI changes ... e.g. remember the group password if it fails16:17
pittiRiddell: ah; do you think you can find out who is working on that and set the assignee?16:17
Riddellpitti: can do16:17
pittiasac: thanks16:17
pittiRiddell: great, thanks16:17
pittiok, bugs updated16:19
pittieveryone please reload https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/intrepid-updates, sort by assignee and check if you are happy with your assigned bugs16:20
asacmain prob for NM is currently bug #292054 - drivers take too long to associate16:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 292054 in network-manager "Some drivers take too long to associate (Was: network-manager 0.7 always asks for WPA passphrase)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29205416:20
asacthis is ridiculous and we also have a similar bug for iwl* drivers specifically16:20
asacfor some users wpasupplicant takes more than 3 minutes to get wpa connection16:20
pittiasac: you piled up an amazing number of milestoned bugs :)16:20
pittiminutes! wow16:21
pittiArneGoetje: do you know fontconfig?16:21
ArneGoetjepitti: not in detail16:21
pittiok, nevermind then16:22
asacpitti: luckily most have a patch now ;)16:22
pittiasac: 292054> anything other team members can help with that?16:22
asacpitti: unlikely. i need devs that can reproduce that at best16:23
asacotherwise i will do a bunch of test rounds with users. but thats painful obviously ;)16:23
pittiwell, that would already help :)16:23
pittiasac: let's discuss that in #u-devel after the meeting, shall we?16:23
asacanyone here has issues with WPA in intrepid?16:23
asacwe can.16:24
asacsure16:24
pittiok16:24
pittiso my remaining topic is langpacks16:24
pittiwe have two outstanding action items from last meeting16:24
pitti * asac to help ArneGoetje perform a manual upload16:24
asacdone16:24
asacalso most likely found the issue why the version was wrong. but i better dont say it ;)16:24
ArneGoetjeis in the PPA and can be copied over to proposed16:24
pittithat would be16:25
pitti * asac to talk to infinity to find out why Launchpad is breaking firefox langpacks16:25
asacyeah16:25
asacprobably can be scratched16:25
pittiasac: so the problem has been identified, properly being laughed at, and squashed?16:25
asacyeah16:25
pittiasac: so for our mental sanity we don't want to know then? :-)16:25
asacat least there is a good reason why the version would be wrong ;)16:25
asacyeah please16:25
pittiok16:25
pitti<jedi wave>16:26
asacwe will see soon enough (next ffox is coming soon)16:26
pittiArneGoetje: for both hardy and intrepid?16:26
ArneGoetjeyep16:26
pitticool, thanks a lot16:26
pittiI'll do the copying16:26
pittithat's everything from me16:26
pittiAOB?16:26
seb128thank for leading the meeting pitti16:27
Riddellpitti: KDE langpacks are still incomplete in places, I think I've tracked down what the problem is and will try to poke rosetta people about iy16:27
pittiRiddell: oh heck, I thought that would have been sorted out and is just waiting for the imports to catch up?16:27
pittiAFAIK the current plan is to wait until that happened, and then ship a langpack update?16:28
pittiRiddell: so it's not just imports being slow, but some imports done wrongly?16:28
Riddellno, seems there's yet another rosetta problem16:28
Riddellit's not preserving the context strings16:28
Riddell(as far as I can tell)16:28
pittiargh16:29
pittibut good that it's tracked down16:29
Riddellthese problems don't usually get fixed fast but it would be nice to time it with a langpack update if possible16:30
ArneGoetjeRiddell: I guess we can  and probably should wait with the update until this has been fixed...16:30
pittiwell, we can do a normal update now, with the PPA apcakges, and another one when this is fixed16:31
pittiunless the PPA packages actually make things worse (but I don't think that's the case?)16:31
ArneGoetjepitti: yes... I meant updated base packages16:31
Riddellno reason why they should16:31
pittiArneGoetje: yes, absolutely16:31
pittiRiddell: of course we can do an update upload once this is fixed16:31
pittiok, seems we are done, thanks everyone!16:32
Riddellpitti: yeah, I'll keep you and ArneGoetje updated when I hear back from rosetta people16:32
ArneGoetjethanks16:32
asacthanks16:33
pittiasac: so this timeout bug particuarly manifests with WPA/WPA2, i. e. with wpasupplicant?16:33
asacpitti: its noisy (as always) ... its definitly WPA16:34
pittiasac: so you need someone which has that  problem, and can also get some logs and debugging session with you?16:34
pittidarn, no WPA in range here16:34
brycethanks pitti16:34
asacpitti: there is a wide variety of symptoms here. this bug initially manifested for WPA Enterprise ... where it appears to happen for all iwl chipsets at least16:35
asacpitti: but now that release is out this also seems to be a problem for normal WPA-PSK and even for none-iwl chipsets16:35
asacpitti: some users cannot connect at all, for some wpasupplicant manually works well16:35
asacfor some NM works if it gives wpasupplicant enough time16:36
asacpitti: i think there is one thing i can try to cherry pick upstream ... with some luck it helps those that can connect manually with wpasupplicant16:36
pittiasac: maybe you should try asking on u-devel@, many devs read it, and it's likely to get more attention than IRC16:36
asacfor the rest this is completely opaque16:37
asacpitti: yes. i will get feedback on the cherry pick first. if that yields nothing will spread that further around.16:37
pittiasac: sounds like a plan16:37
asacok will update the bug with the cherry-pick i think is worth to test16:38
asacpitti: ^^16:38
pitticool, thanks16:38
pittisorry that I can't help with that16:38
pittiit Just Works(tm) for me...16:38
asacno problem ;)16:38
asacwhat we need is all hardware here or a perfect test center ;)16:39
pittibut I only have eth and an open wifi, and that UMTS thing :)16:39
asacsame here ;)16:39
pittiasac: it's called "Tim Gardner"16:39
asacwell.16:39
pittihe has a shitload of wifis for testing16:39
asacno comment16:39
asacyeah. those should be here i think ;)16:39
asache doesnt triage NM issues :)16:39
pittibut he can certainly help you with getting log files and all that16:39
asaci think i would need a whip for that ;)16:40
asacbut i will try again16:40
asachmm  he is not online16:40
asacah just not in -devel16:41
tedgasac: You've always wanted to visit Idaho, right? ;)16:52
asactedg: wasnt that montana?16:53
asac;)16:53
tedgasac: Heh, does that change your preference?16:54
pittihey tedg16:55
pittivoted yet? :-)16:56
pittitedg: I saw some photos of loooong lines in front of the voting places, crazy :)16:56
tedgpitti: Yeah, I voted on Thursday.  Though unverifiable electronic voting.  Really they voted for me when they compiled the software.16:56
pittitedg: that might explain why some 50% chose postal vote...16:57
pitti(rightfully so!)16:57
pittiall this electronic computer crap, really16:57
pitti*cough*16:57
tedgI wasn't offered that option, I believe you can only do it here if you can verify that you're unable to go to a polling place (overseas address, etc.)16:58
pittiah, that's handled differently in different states, isn't it?16:58
tedgYeah, almost all aspects of voting are actually.  What happens is that basically the only thing that the federal gov't worries about is the electoral college.  Then it's up to the states to elect those electoral college members.17:01
tedgThere are some federal regulations for fairness and other things, but they're fairly minor compared to the total complexity of voting.17:02
dobeymost states require the electoral college to vote for whoever won the popular vote in the state, though not all do17:03
dobeythey're supposed to vote that way, but it's not really a requirement that they do, in all states17:04
pittidobey: I read about that, too17:05
pittihowever, they hand in their votes in sealed envelopes, so how can they actually be sure about that?17:05
dobeypitti: track by fingerprint?17:06
pittiheh17:06
dobeypitti: i'm sure it's known17:07
dobeyor at least, it will become known and there will be a big ruckus about voting fraud, etc...17:07
dobeymaybe it will be nevada this year instead of ohio or florida, who knows17:08
bsniderpitti, i think your last cups update might have broken printing support in intrepid for a lot of people17:52
pittibsnider: --verbose?18:09
bsniderpitti, your last update to cups was partly a change in "debian/filters/pstopdf"18:10
pittibsnider: ah, that was an update from Till18:10
bsniderthat filter is now causing a whole lot of problems18:10
pittibsnider: can you please ping tkamppeter in #ubuntu-devel and discuss this?18:11
bsnidersure18:11
pittibsnider: sorry, I wasn't really involved in those filters; Till knows them very well18:11
pittibsnider: thanks18:11
bsniderwell, i only came to you because your name was on the cups update18:11
bsniderbut i also know he's involved18:11
bsniderhe or she18:11
pittihe18:20

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