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| MaWaLe | hi everyone | 10:44 |
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| persia | o/ | 10:45 |
| amachu | persia: Hi | 10:54 |
| amachu | elkbuntu: TheMuso: lifeless: Hello everybody | 10:55 |
| TheMuso | Hi folks. | 10:55 |
| amachu | and no one for today's meeting either... | 10:56 |
| amachu | hi | 11:00 |
| amachu | We have CC meeting scheduled today at 21.00 UTC | 11:01 |
| amachu | every one listening ?? | 11:02 |
| TheMuso | Yes. | 11:02 |
| Rafik | hello all :) | 11:02 |
| MaWaLe | yup | 11:02 |
| Rafik | i'll try to hire one or two candidates for your next meeting ^^ | 11:02 |
| cody-somerville | :) | 11:03 |
| MaWaLe | hi Rafik | 11:03 |
| MaWaLe | :) | 11:03 |
| soren | amachu: Which meeting were you referring to when you said "no one for today's meeting either"? | 11:03 |
| Rafik | amachu, MaWaLe is currently preparing his membership | 11:04 |
| amachu | soren: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania | 11:04 |
| soren | amachu: Ah. | 11:05 |
| Rafik | amachu, is it possible to do his approval now ? | 11:05 |
| MaWaLe | it'll be so great | 11:06 |
| amachu | Rafik: Should have registered in advance, I feel | 11:06 |
| amachu | persia: elkbuntu: TheMuso: lifeless : opinions? | 11:07 |
| Rafik | amachu, yes I know. When I've seen there was no candidates for today. the idea came to my mind | 11:07 |
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| persia | amachu, opinions? | 11:09 |
| amachu | persia: on what Rafik asked about taking MaWaLe | 11:10 |
| soren | persia: Yes. a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter. | 11:10 |
| soren | :p | 11:10 |
| amachu | and about the CC meeting, its too late here to present our decisions for me today. | 11:11 |
| TheMuso | amachu: I don't mind doing someone on the spur of the moment now, but that depends on whether others want to. | 11:11 |
| persia | Oh. I'm happy to take more people, although I prefer the page to be prepared in advance. | 11:11 |
| elkbuntu | i'm here | 11:11 |
| TheMuso | persia: Agreed. | 11:11 |
| elkbuntu | persia, i do agree. some of us like to read over candidate pages without the candidate counting the nanoseconds | 11:13 |
| amachu | I can present it to the Community Council on 18 Nov 08. But can any one of you could do it today? | 11:13 |
| elkbuntu | amachu, have you scribed to wikipages at all? | 11:13 |
| * persia tends to read over candidate pages before the meeting | 11:13 | |
| * elkbuntu blinks | 11:14 | |
| elkbuntu | amachu, you're not starting *that* again, are you? | 11:14 |
| * elkbuntu tickles amachu | 11:14 | |
| amachu | elkbuntu: which wiki pages are you referring? | 11:14 |
| elkbuntu | amachu, the 'can we have more people' proposal etc | 11:15 |
| amachu | elkbuntu: I lost the connection for few sec | 11:15 |
| amachu | elkbuntu: I am saying, today we have CC meeting. But at 21.00 UTC | 11:15 |
| elkbuntu | i realise this. i also know that the CC likes a wikipage to read over, like we want candidates to document themselves in wikipages. | 11:16 |
| amachu | We can take up our decisions to CC if any one of you could do it, I said. I am not sure of me taking it with the CC today. But I can definitely take it on 18 Nov | 11:17 |
| persia | I'd rather do it during our normal meeting time. | 11:17 |
| amachu | elkbuntu: thats fine. We will take it up to the CC on Nov, 18. | 11:18 |
| amachu | and I got reply form Belutz which I shared with the group | 11:18 |
| amachu | zakame is yet to reply. I will try to ping him through other means. | 11:19 |
| amachu | and anything else which any one of you would like to raise now? | 11:19 |
| amachu | elkbuntu: persia : TheMuso : lifeless : anything else? | 11:21 |
| elkbuntu | i'm good. | 11:21 |
| elkbuntu | MaWaLe, i look forward to seeing your application next week. | 11:21 |
| TheMuso | I'm fine. | 11:21 |
| amachu | and how about Intrepid's launch parties around? | 11:22 |
| MaWaLe | sorry : which week? | 11:22 |
| persia | I'm good. | 11:22 |
| amachu | MaWaLe: 11 Nov, 11.00 UTC | 11:22 |
| Rafik | MaWaLe, you will have the time to work more you wiki page. | 11:22 |
| MaWaLe | can i hope that the members here take a look to my Wiki page and give me some advices or just evaluate-it :) | 11:23 |
| amachu | cool! let me call off today's meeting, then. | 11:24 |
| amachu | Our next meeting, as said will be on 11 Nov 08, 11.00 UTC | 11:24 |
| amachu | MaWaLe: Hmm.. worth looking to prepare questions based on wiki :-) | 11:25 |
| amachu | persia: TheMuso : elkbuntu : Thank you for participating! | 11:25 |
| MaWaLe | okay :so thanks and see you next week | 11:27 |
| persia | See you next week :) | 11:27 |
| TheMuso | Till next week. | 11:28 |
| elkbuntu | right... clean install time | 11:31 |
| emgent | hello there. | 13:02 |
| emgent | @schedule rome | 13:02 |
| ubottu | Schedule for Europe/Rome: 04 Nov 15:00: Technical Board | 04 Nov 22:00: Community Council | 05 Nov 19:00: Edubuntu | 10 Nov 19:00: LoCo Council | 18 Nov 12:00: Community Council | 21 Nov 21:00: Tunisian LoCo Team IRC | 13:02 |
| zul | @schedule montreal | 13:21 |
| ubottu | Schedule for America/Montreal: 04 Nov 09:00: Technical Board | 04 Nov 16:00: Community Council | 05 Nov 13:00: Edubuntu | 10 Nov 13:00: LoCo Council | 18 Nov 06:00: Community Council | 21 Nov 15:00: Tunisian LoCo Team IRC | 13:21 |
| === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Technical Board Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 04 Nov 21:00: Community Council | 05 Nov 18:00: Edubuntu | 10 Nov 18:00: LoCo Council | 18 Nov 11:00: Community Council | 21 Nov 20:00: Tunisian LoCo Team IRC | ||
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| === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 04 Nov 16:00: Server Team | 04 Nov 21:00: Community Council | 05 Nov 18:00: Edubuntu | 10 Nov 18:00: LoCo Council | 11 Nov 16:00: Server Team | 18 Nov 11:00: Community Council | ||
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| === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Server Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 04 Nov 21:00: Community Council | 05 Nov 18:00: Edubuntu | 10 Nov 18:00: LoCo Council | 11 Nov 16:00: Server Team | 18 Nov 11:00: Community Council | ||
| zul | heylo | 15:56 |
| ivoks | hi | 15:57 |
| * mathiaz waves | 15:57 | |
| ivoks | long time no see | 15:57 |
| sommer | hey all | 15:57 |
| * nijaba ~ | 15:58 | |
| zul | hi ivoks | 15:58 |
| * soren tips his hat in #ubuntu-meeting's general direction | 15:58 | |
| * nijaba distinguishes a black hat being tipped | 15:59 | |
| mathiaz | allright folks - let's get this started | 16:00 |
| mathiaz | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is mathiaz. | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:00 |
| mathiaz | Welcome to the first meeting of the Server Team in this new era of jauntyness! | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | Today's joyfull agenda can be found online at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 16:01 |
| nijaba | that's a tough agenda we have today | 16:02 |
| mathiaz | Last week's intrepid minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20081028 | 16:02 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Server FAQ | 16:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Server FAQ | 16:02 |
| mathiaz | sommer: nijaba: how are things moving there? | 16:03 |
| nijaba | I worked a bit on the FAQ today | 16:03 |
| nijaba | there are about 2/3 of the questions that needs updating | 16:03 |
| sommer | I did some small updates last week, but it still needs work | 16:03 |
| nijaba | I have added (needs update) in their title | 16:03 |
| nijaba | I have also listed a few new questions at the end and a table of content | 16:04 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: great! | 16:04 |
| mathiaz | I'll add section to the roadmap covering the ServerFaQ | 16:04 |
| nijaba | kirkland: could you take care of updating the raid question? | 16:05 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] mathiaz to add a section about updating the ServerFAQ to the Roadmap | 16:05 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: mathiaz to add a section about updating the ServerFAQ to the Roadmap | 16:05 |
| kirkland | nijaba: url? | 16:05 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: is the list of questions to be updated finalized? | 16:05 |
| nijaba | kirkland: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq | 16:05 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: ie should we focus on reviewing the answer now? | 16:06 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: unless some other new questions are added, yes | 16:06 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: I think we can focus on the answers now, and work on them later if new questions appear | 16:06 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: ok. | 16:07 |
| * nijaba thinks that the answer should be made unpersonal | 16:07 | |
| mathiaz | nijaba: are there other specific topics that need input from one of us (like kirkland for raid) | 16:07 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: ? | 16:07 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: soem of the question name people asking questions... | 16:08 |
| kirkland | nijaba: mathiaz: is this something that Launchpad Answers should be used for ? | 16:08 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: I don't think so. IIUC the FAQ is a generic FAQ | 16:08 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: not that I can think of, but will ask if sommer or I have pb answering them | 16:08 |
| nijaba | kirkland: I think it is nice to have a "controlled" page for a FAQ | 16:09 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: LP answers are more targeted at answering specific questions/user requests. | 16:09 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: okay | 16:09 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: moreover AFICT the server team is not using the LP answers. | 16:09 |
| nijaba | sommer: how do you want to split the work? | 16:10 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: or at least I don't know of anyone answering LP questions related to server topics. | 16:10 |
| sommer | nijaba: doesn't matter to me... I can start at the bottom and work up | 16:10 |
| nijaba | sommer: ok, I'll go the other way then :) | 16:11 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: k | 16:11 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] sommer and nijaba to start updating the answers. | 16:11 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: sommer and nijaba to start updating the answers. | 16:11 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] kirkland to review the RAID related questions | 16:11 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: kirkland to review the RAID related questions | 16:11 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: sommer: anything else on this topic? | 16:11 |
| nijaba | nope | 16:12 |
| sommer | nothing from me | 16:12 |
| mathiaz | ok - anything else regarding last week's minutes? | 16:12 |
| mathiaz | nope. Let's move on | 16:13 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Ideas for Jaunty | 16:13 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Ideas for Jaunty | 16:13 |
| mathiaz | As you may have noticed we're preparing for another release of Ubuntu due in six months. | 16:13 |
| zul | yay! | 16:13 |
| mathiaz | UDS topics are being worked on. | 16:14 |
| mathiaz | If you've got new ideas, please add them to the ServerTeam IdeaPool. | 16:14 |
| mathiaz | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/IdeaPool | 16:14 |
| mathiaz | I've also purged the Roadmap | 16:14 |
| mathiaz | There are some items which status I don't know. | 16:15 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Integration of SASL and Postfix | 16:15 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Integration of SASL and Postfix | 16:15 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: ^? | 16:15 |
| ivoks | right... | 16:15 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: is this still something being worked on/considered? | 16:15 |
| ivoks | i'll propose solutions for this problem in early dev. phase | 16:15 |
| ivoks | i'll have time next week | 16:16 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: ok - so it's still on the radar | 16:16 |
| ivoks | yes | 16:16 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: great. | 16:16 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Merges | 16:16 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Merges | 16:16 |
| mathiaz | As of now, Jaunty is *not* opened. | 16:16 |
| mathiaz | The basic toolchain and packages are still be worked on. | 16:17 |
| mathiaz | The archive should probably open sometime this week. By then, we'll go back in merge mode! | 16:17 |
| soren | \o/ | 16:18 |
| mathiaz | last time around, I was publishing a list of *easy* merges. | 16:19 |
| mathiaz | I was wondering if that was a good idea | 16:19 |
| mathiaz | what do other people thing about such a list? | 16:19 |
| sommer | I think it's a good idea :) | 16:19 |
| * soren too | 16:19 | |
| ivoks | (don't have strong opinion :) | 16:20 |
| mathiaz | ok. I'll keep publishing such a list for this cycle then. | 16:20 |
| mathiaz | well - that's all I have. | 16:20 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Open discussion | 16:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open discussion | 16:20 |
| * mathiaz leaves the floor to crazy ideas | 16:21 | |
| zul | no crazy ideas from me this time | 16:21 |
| ivoks | accept dbconfig-common as a standard tool for databases :D | 16:21 |
| mathiaz | zul: you got burned by this whole FB story? | 16:21 |
| zul | mathiaz: i didnt get any emails about it thankfully :) | 16:22 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: isn't it already in main? | 16:22 |
| ivoks | mathiaz: it is, but my question is 'why we don't use it? and why did i remove it from bacula?' :) | 16:22 |
| zul | because it wasnt it main at the time | 16:22 |
| ivoks | it wasn't? | 16:22 |
| ivoks | ok then | 16:23 |
| ivoks | so, we could just re-merge it back? | 16:23 |
| zul | ivoks: pretty much | 16:23 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: probably yes :) | 16:23 |
| ivoks | praise the lord :) | 16:23 |
| zul | yes praise him indeed | 16:24 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: one of the debian devloper may be at UDS | 16:24 |
| zul | uds or fosscamp? | 16:24 |
| mathiaz | zul: don't know. | 16:24 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: do we know who's been invited now? is there a list somewhere? | 16:25 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: there is a list *somewhere*. However I don't know where the *somewhere* is... | 16:25 |
| nijaba | www.perdu.com ? | 16:26 |
| soren | ?!? | 16:26 |
| ivoks | lol | 16:26 |
| sommer | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSJaunty/Attendees | 16:26 |
| soren | "Lost on the Internet" or some such? | 16:27 |
| nijaba | soren: yes O<--- you are here | 16:27 |
| ivoks | soren: yes | 16:27 |
| soren | No, I'm not. I'm over there ---> * | 16:27 |
| ivoks | soren: don't panic, we're here to help you | 16:27 |
| ivoks | soren: * <---- you are here | 16:27 |
| ivoks | oh... | 16:28 |
| ivoks | :) | 16:28 |
| mathiaz | sommer: ok. These are mainly ubuntu members. | 16:28 |
| mathiaz | sommer: some upstream folks have also been invited (to Fooscamp and/or UDS) | 16:29 |
| ScottK | foos/foss | 16:29 |
| sommer | ohh, gotcha | 16:29 |
| ivoks | mathiaz: you'll meet kern, right? | 16:29 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: probably | 16:29 |
| ivoks | ok | 16:30 |
| mathiaz | allright - so I think that's all I have to say for today's meeting | 16:30 |
| mathiaz | I'll be running a session for OpenWeek in 1:30 hours | 16:30 |
| mathiaz | in #ubuntu-classroom | 16:31 |
| mathiaz | ie at 18:00 UTC | 16:31 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: break a leg | 16:31 |
| soren | mathiaz: About what? | 16:31 |
| ivoks | server team? | 16:31 |
| mathiaz | soren: the server team | 16:31 |
| ivoks | all right! more PR :D | 16:31 |
| soren | Awesome :) | 16:31 |
| mathiaz | what we did for the intrepid cycle and how to get involved | 16:31 |
| mathiaz | there are tons of other sessions and topics covered the whole week | 16:32 |
| mathiaz | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek has more information | 16:32 |
| mathiaz | kirkland and soren are also running a session | 16:33 |
| mathiaz | Anything else to add? | 16:33 |
| mathiaz | seems not | 16:36 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time | 16:36 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time | 16:36 |
| mathiaz | next week, same time, same place? | 16:36 |
| ivoks | this is better time, yes | 16:37 |
| sommer | works for me :) | 16:37 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: better time? | 16:38 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: it should be the same time as usual (last week being unusual) | 16:38 |
| ivoks | mathiaz: right - it's the same :D | 16:39 |
| mathiaz | ok - so see you all next week, same time in here., | 16:39 |
| kirkland | adios! | 16:39 |
| mathiaz | Congratulations for intrepid | 16:39 |
| mathiaz | and welcome to Jaunty! | 16:39 |
| kirkland | \o/ | 16:39 |
| sommer | later on all | 16:39 |
| mathiaz | #endmeeting | 16:40 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:40. | 16:40 |
| * cking is here | 17:17 | |
| pgraner | Kernel Team Meeting... sorry its starting late google didn't adjust for DST changes *sigh* | 17:17 |
| smb_tp | DST challenges all of us. :) | 17:18 |
| pgraner | #startmeeting | 17:18 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 11:18. The chair is pgraner. | 17:18 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:18 |
| pgraner | Ok... I think this will be a short meeting since Intrepid just went out.... | 17:19 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] Post Intrepid Bug Status | 17:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Post Intrepid Bug Status | 17:20 |
| pgraner | I'm curious to see if we have seen a influx of new bugs? | 17:20 |
| smb_tp | Not a very high one. Only a few | 17:20 |
| rtg | I think ogasawara has quite a list of bugs pending against Intrepid. | 17:20 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: have you seen any any trends? | 17:20 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: I'm seeing quite a few reports with patches | 17:21 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: thats always nice | 17:21 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: I've been milestoning them | 17:21 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: most are simple fixes | 17:21 |
| rtg | as soon as I get a -security kernel done I'm gonna start griding through the SRU patches. | 17:21 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: I've noticed a bunch with "special keys", brightness etc... | 17:21 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: yah, just was one about that too - bug 285323 | 17:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 285323 in gnome-power-manager "Losing keyboard and mouse control when changing screen brightness with fn + arrow under intrepid" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/285323 | 17:22 |
| ogasawara | that one has a patch though in upstream that we just need to pull | 17:22 |
| pgraner | Since I'm rather new, how does this compare with post Hardy, same time? | 17:23 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: post hardy I didn't see as many of these simple patches coming in post release | 17:23 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: but I think that had something to do with Hardy being LTS so more people were testing the alpha's/beta's | 17:24 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: ok... | 17:24 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] Intrepid Update/Security Kernel | 17:25 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Intrepid Update/Security Kernel | 17:25 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: I'm going to try and gather some actual bug stats so will post it to the ml | 17:25 |
| pgraner | smb_tp: Whats the plan? | 17:25 |
| smb_tp | I am not sure if Tim jumped on it but otherwise I would take care that we have a security upadte | 17:25 |
| smb_tp | for intrepid kernel + hardy and gutsy lum | 17:26 |
| rtg | I'm working on the Intrepid -security update | 17:26 |
| smb_tp | working on that tonight | 17:26 |
| pgraner | smb_tp: whats the target for getting that out? | 17:26 |
| smb_tp | After that I guess we should tackle the proposed updates for hardy and gutsy lum and hardy kernel | 17:26 |
| smb_tp | I'd have to speak with kees on that but I would like to see it rather sooner than later. | 17:27 |
| pgraner | smb_tp: I'd like to get dates set so we know what the cut off is, mostly for the updates kernel. Can you propose dates for both security and updates? | 17:28 |
| smb_tp | pgraner, maybe I can convince him for an upload next Monday | 17:28 |
| pgraner | smb_tp: I'm not hung up on the date as long as we have one | 17:29 |
| smb_tp | pgraner, (that would be for security) and then the proposed a week later | 17:29 |
| smb_tp | pgraner, so Nov 10 and 17 | 17:29 |
| pgraner | [ACTION] smb_tp to set/publish dates for security and updates kernel for affected releases | 17:29 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: smb_tp to set/publish dates for security and updates kernel for affected releases | 17:29 |
| pgraner | Anyone see issues or have objections for the 10 & 17th? | 17:30 |
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| pgraner | smb_tp: Ok then the 10th and 17th it is. | 17:31 |
| smb_tp | pgraner, ack | 17:31 |
| pgraner | [ACTON] Security kernel upload by 10 Nov, updates kernel upload by 17th | 17:31 |
| pgraner | [ACTiON] Security kernel upload by 10 Nov, updates kernel upload by 17th | 17:32 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Security kernel upload by 10 Nov, updates kernel upload by 17th | 17:32 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] RFC - RFC: Stable kernel updates and the SRU process (rtg) | 17:32 |
| MootBot | New Topic: RFC - RFC: Stable kernel updates and the SRU process (rtg) | 17:32 |
| rtg | workin' on 'em | 17:32 |
| smb_tp | I included this in the wiki page as well. Obviously I am for it | 17:32 |
| pgraner | rtg: based on the feedback on the RFC, you propose any changes? | 17:33 |
| rtg | pgraner: please tell what constructive feedback I received, other then complaints about process? | 17:33 |
| rtg | as far as I can tell, the only concern is regressions. | 17:34 |
| smb_tp | rtg, Take it as constructive feedback. :) | 17:34 |
| rtg | so, I plan to examine each patch and do my job, which is to evaluate them on their own merits. | 17:34 |
| pgraner | rtg: sorry I went back to revisit the thread | 17:35 |
| amitk | rtg: so it would not be a blanket update to the latest stable? | 17:35 |
| rtg | amitk: nope, I'm gonna write an SRU for each one. | 17:35 |
| pgraner | rtg: I understood it to be a complete update not selective | 17:35 |
| amitk | rtg: !! | 17:36 |
| smb_tp | pgraner, from the comments it seemed that some wanted to blame selecive bugs if something fails | 17:36 |
| smb_tp | But I also took it that we take everything | 17:36 |
| rtg | there'll be a bunch for the first -proposed kernel (approx 40 I think) | 17:36 |
| amitk | rtg: honestly I feel that writing 40 SRUs in LP will not scale | 17:37 |
| pgraner | rtg: I'm in favor of keeping as close to the upstream source as possible, however the SRU process was not designed for that type of volume | 17:37 |
| rtg | amitk: well, it on'y happens once early in the cycle. stable updates slow way down pretty quickly. | 17:37 |
| smb_tp | maybe ogasawara can help s with some script magic... | 17:37 |
| ogasawara | smb_tp: yup, I think I can probably help whip up a script to automate it | 17:38 |
| pgraner | rtg: would that work for you? | 17:39 |
| amitk | rtg: besides, you will have to 'invent' reasons you want to apply the patch. | 17:39 |
| rtg | some automation wuold help, for sure. | 17:39 |
| smb_tp | amitk, would not be "is in the stable kernel" be reason enaough | 17:39 |
| amitk | smb_tp: then what is the point of 40 bug reports each stating "is in the stable kernel" | 17:40 |
| rtg | amitk: pitti wants them for regression tracking. | 17:40 |
| smb_tp | amitk, IIRC it came from heno because (in case of regression) they wanted to have seperate record | 17:40 |
| rtg | ogasawara: so, are you gonna experiment with creating SRUs for stable updates? | 17:41 |
| pgraner | rtg, ogasawara: lets see what we can automate and go from there? | 17:41 |
| ogasawara | rtg: yup, I'll email when I've got something | 17:42 |
| rtg | works for me | 17:42 |
| pgraner | [ACTION] ogasawara to work with rtg on automating the RFC: Stable kernel updates and the SRU process | 17:42 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ogasawara to work with rtg on automating the RFC: Stable kernel updates and the SRU process | 17:42 |
| smb_tp | Ok, pitti (remembered wrong). Guess this would be a good compromise | 17:43 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] UDS Status & Prep | 17:43 |
| MootBot | New Topic: UDS Status & Prep | 17:43 |
| pgraner | Now that the release is out, I've got a ton of UDS actions to get out this week. | 17:43 |
| pgraner | There have been initial meetings that started Fri and have continued on this week about various cross team initiatives | 17:44 |
| pgraner | My email to the mailing list will have the mins from those meetings (they are all on wiki.u.c) and agendas with proposed dates for the tracks | 17:45 |
| pgraner | I'm still waiting on two more meetings to happen this week then I'll get the data together and post it | 17:45 |
| pgraner | thats about it so far... questions? | 17:46 |
| pgraner | Then we'll keep moving | 17:46 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] Open discussion/Roundtable | 17:46 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open discussion/Roundtable | 17:46 |
| pgraner | Any one have anything they want to add before we go into roundtable? | 17:46 |
| amitk | pgraner: community invites to UDS done? | 17:47 |
| pgraner | amitk: Yes, I've been given a link to the list, but I didn't have perms to see it, I should be able to see shortly | 17:47 |
| pgraner | amitk: they did the initial round of invites and there were declines, and they sent out the 2nd round of invites based on the new openings, but thats all I know right now | 17:48 |
| pgraner | On to roundtable then... | 17:49 |
| pgraner | I am still recovering from being ill, so I'm a bit behind on things, so I'll be catching up. Other than that nothing other than biz as usual for me | 17:49 |
| pgraner | rtg: Whats going on in your world? | 17:50 |
| rtg | SRUs up the wazzoo, lots of wirelsss LBM work. | 17:50 |
| rtg | uploaded an LBM yesterday. | 17:50 |
| rtg | working on Intrepid -security update today, then back to SRUs | 17:50 |
| rtg | full stop. | 17:51 |
| pgraner | rtg: thanks | 17:51 |
| pgraner | BenC is out ill today, so we will move on to amitk | 17:51 |
| pgraner | amitk: whats up? | 17:51 |
| amitk | Been doing Hardy SRUs for LPIA mostly | 17:52 |
| amitk | stop | 17:52 |
| pgraner | amitk: great, thx | 17:52 |
| pgraner | smb_tp: go... | 17:53 |
| smb_tp | ok then | 17:53 |
| smb_tp | moved across the atlantic. trying to work out the pending updates for hardy and gutsy | 17:53 |
| smb_tp | made intrepid ports for ia64 compiling | 17:53 |
| smb_tp | thats about it | 17:53 |
| pgraner | smb_tp: thanks | 17:54 |
| pgraner | cking: you're next | 17:54 |
| cking | OEM bug squishing (BIOS reboot/suspend resume and audio) and Thurs/Friday I will be attending Embedded Linux Conference | 17:54 |
| * ogra waves to cking | 17:54 | |
| rtg | cking has been wearing out SSDs | 17:54 |
| ogra | :) | 17:54 |
| cking | and I knackered a SSD doing ISO testing :-) | 17:55 |
| pgraner | rtg: didn't he kill that SATA drive not to long ago? | 17:55 |
| cking | stop | 17:55 |
| cking | ..that was dead on arrival. | 17:55 |
| rtg | pgraner: yep - he's hard on things. no more toys for Colin | 17:55 |
| * pgraner renames cking to cking_drive-killer | 17:55 | |
| cking | :^) | 17:55 |
| pgraner | lieb: whats up? | 17:55 |
| rtg | pgraner: maybe he's napping? | 17:57 |
| pgraner | we'll looks like we are missing lieb and sconklin... so I'll call it meeting end. | 17:57 |
| pgraner | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 11:57. | 17:57 |
| lieb | I'm here, just was looking aty the other screen... | 18:00 |
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| nealmcb | Hmm - I guess there is no Community Council Meeting - scheduled to start 10 minutes ago: Start: 2008-11-04 21:00 End: 2008-11-04 23:00 Timezone: Etc/GMT Location: #ubuntu-meeting The agenda still says The next meeting is scheduled for 21 October 2008, 11:00 UTC .... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda | 21:11 |
| cody-somerville | hmmm | 21:14 |
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