=== asac_ is now known as asac === cody-somerville_ is now known as cody-somerville === cody-somerville_ is now known as cody-somerville === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === Rafik_ is now known as Rafik [10:44] hi everyone [10:45] o/ [10:54] persia: Hi [10:55] elkbuntu: TheMuso: lifeless: Hello everybody [10:55] Hi folks. [10:56] and no one for today's meeting either... [11:00] hi [11:01] We have CC meeting scheduled today at 21.00 UTC [11:02] every one listening ?? [11:02] Yes. [11:02] hello all :) [11:02] yup [11:02] i'll try to hire one or two candidates for your next meeting ^^ [11:03] :) [11:03] hi Rafik [11:03] :) [11:03] amachu: Which meeting were you referring to when you said "no one for today's meeting either"? [11:04] amachu, MaWaLe is currently preparing his membership [11:04] soren: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [11:05] amachu: Ah. [11:05] amachu, is it possible to do his approval now ? [11:06] it'll be so great [11:06] Rafik: Should have registered in advance, I feel [11:07] persia: elkbuntu: TheMuso: lifeless : opinions? [11:07] amachu, yes I know. When I've seen there was no candidates for today. the idea came to my mind === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_away [11:09] amachu, opinions? [11:10] persia: on what Rafik asked about taking MaWaLe [11:10] persia: Yes. a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter. [11:10] :p [11:11] and about the CC meeting, its too late here to present our decisions for me today. [11:11] amachu: I don't mind doing someone on the spur of the moment now, but that depends on whether others want to. [11:11] Oh. I'm happy to take more people, although I prefer the page to be prepared in advance. [11:11] i'm here [11:11] persia: Agreed. [11:13] persia, i do agree. some of us like to read over candidate pages without the candidate counting the nanoseconds [11:13] I can present it to the Community Council on 18 Nov 08. But can any one of you could do it today? [11:13] amachu, have you scribed to wikipages at all? [11:13] * persia tends to read over candidate pages before the meeting [11:14] * elkbuntu blinks [11:14] amachu, you're not starting *that* again, are you? [11:14] * elkbuntu tickles amachu [11:14] elkbuntu: which wiki pages are you referring? [11:15] amachu, the 'can we have more people' proposal etc [11:15] elkbuntu: I lost the connection for few sec [11:15] elkbuntu: I am saying, today we have CC meeting. But at 21.00 UTC [11:16] i realise this. i also know that the CC likes a wikipage to read over, like we want candidates to document themselves in wikipages. [11:17] We can take up our decisions to CC if any one of you could do it, I said. I am not sure of me taking it with the CC today. But I can definitely take it on 18 Nov [11:17] I'd rather do it during our normal meeting time. [11:18] elkbuntu: thats fine. We will take it up to the CC on Nov, 18. [11:18] and I got reply form Belutz which I shared with the group [11:19] zakame is yet to reply. I will try to ping him through other means. [11:19] and anything else which any one of you would like to raise now? [11:21] elkbuntu: persia : TheMuso : lifeless : anything else? [11:21] i'm good. [11:21] MaWaLe, i look forward to seeing your application next week. [11:21] I'm fine. [11:22] and how about Intrepid's launch parties around? [11:22] sorry : which week? [11:22] I'm good. [11:22] MaWaLe: 11 Nov, 11.00 UTC [11:22] MaWaLe, you will have the time to work more you wiki page. [11:23] can i hope that the members here take a look to my Wiki page and give me some advices or just evaluate-it :) [11:24] cool! let me call off today's meeting, then. [11:24] Our next meeting, as said will be on 11 Nov 08, 11.00 UTC [11:25] MaWaLe: Hmm.. worth looking to prepare questions based on wiki :-) [11:25] persia: TheMuso : elkbuntu : Thank you for participating! [11:27] okay :so thanks and see you next week [11:27] See you next week :) [11:28] Till next week. [11:31] right... clean install time [13:02] hello there. [13:02] @schedule rome [13:02] Schedule for Europe/Rome: 04 Nov 15:00: Technical Board | 04 Nov 22:00: Community Council | 05 Nov 19:00: Edubuntu | 10 Nov 19:00: LoCo Council | 18 Nov 12:00: Community Council | 21 Nov 21:00: Tunisian LoCo Team IRC [13:21] @schedule montreal [13:21] Schedule for America/Montreal: 04 Nov 09:00: Technical Board | 04 Nov 16:00: Community Council | 05 Nov 13:00: Edubuntu | 10 Nov 13:00: LoCo Council | 18 Nov 06:00: Community Council | 21 Nov 15:00: Tunisian LoCo Team IRC === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Technical Board Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 04 Nov 21:00: Community Council | 05 Nov 18:00: Edubuntu | 10 Nov 18:00: LoCo Council | 18 Nov 11:00: Community Council | 21 Nov 20:00: Tunisian LoCo Team IRC === davmor2_away is now known as davmor2 === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 04 Nov 21:00: Community Council | 05 Nov 18:00: Edubuntu | 10 Nov 18:00: LoCo Council | 18 Nov 11:00: Community Council | 21 Nov 20:00: Tunisian LoCo Team IRC | 02 Dec 21:00: Community Council === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 04 Nov 16:00: Server Team | 04 Nov 21:00: Community Council | 05 Nov 18:00: Edubuntu | 10 Nov 18:00: LoCo Council | 11 Nov 16:00: Server Team | 18 Nov 11:00: Community Council === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Server Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 04 Nov 21:00: Community Council | 05 Nov 18:00: Edubuntu | 10 Nov 18:00: LoCo Council | 11 Nov 16:00: Server Team | 18 Nov 11:00: Community Council [15:56] heylo [15:57] hi [15:57] * mathiaz waves [15:57] long time no see [15:57] hey all [15:58] * nijaba ~ [15:58] hi ivoks [15:58] * soren tips his hat in #ubuntu-meeting's general direction [15:59] * nijaba distinguishes a black hat being tipped [16:00] allright folks - let's get this started [16:00] #startmeeting [16:00] Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is mathiaz. [16:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:01] Welcome to the first meeting of the Server Team in this new era of jauntyness! [16:01] Today's joyfull agenda can be found online at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [16:02] that's a tough agenda we have today [16:02] Last week's intrepid minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20081028 [16:02] [TOPIC] Server FAQ [16:02] New Topic: Server FAQ [16:03] sommer: nijaba: how are things moving there? [16:03] I worked a bit on the FAQ today [16:03] there are about 2/3 of the questions that needs updating [16:03] I did some small updates last week, but it still needs work [16:03] I have added (needs update) in their title [16:04] I have also listed a few new questions at the end and a table of content [16:04] nijaba: great! [16:04] I'll add section to the roadmap covering the ServerFaQ [16:05] kirkland: could you take care of updating the raid question? [16:05] [ACTION] mathiaz to add a section about updating the ServerFAQ to the Roadmap [16:05] ACTION received: mathiaz to add a section about updating the ServerFAQ to the Roadmap [16:05] nijaba: url? [16:05] nijaba: is the list of questions to be updated finalized? [16:05] kirkland: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq [16:06] nijaba: ie should we focus on reviewing the answer now? [16:06] mathiaz: unless some other new questions are added, yes [16:06] mathiaz: I think we can focus on the answers now, and work on them later if new questions appear [16:07] nijaba: ok. [16:07] * nijaba thinks that the answer should be made unpersonal [16:07] nijaba: are there other specific topics that need input from one of us (like kirkland for raid) [16:07] nijaba: ? [16:08] mathiaz: soem of the question name people asking questions... [16:08] nijaba: mathiaz: is this something that Launchpad Answers should be used for ? [16:08] kirkland: I don't think so. IIUC the FAQ is a generic FAQ [16:08] mathiaz: not that I can think of, but will ask if sommer or I have pb answering them [16:09] kirkland: I think it is nice to have a "controlled" page for a FAQ [16:09] kirkland: LP answers are more targeted at answering specific questions/user requests. [16:09] mathiaz: okay [16:09] kirkland: moreover AFICT the server team is not using the LP answers. [16:10] sommer: how do you want to split the work? [16:10] kirkland: or at least I don't know of anyone answering LP questions related to server topics. [16:10] nijaba: doesn't matter to me... I can start at the bottom and work up [16:11] sommer: ok, I'll go the other way then :) [16:11] mathiaz: k [16:11] [ACTION] sommer and nijaba to start updating the answers. [16:11] ACTION received: sommer and nijaba to start updating the answers. [16:11] [ACTION] kirkland to review the RAID related questions [16:11] ACTION received: kirkland to review the RAID related questions [16:11] nijaba: sommer: anything else on this topic? [16:12] nope [16:12] nothing from me [16:12] ok - anything else regarding last week's minutes? [16:13] nope. Let's move on [16:13] [TOPIC] Ideas for Jaunty [16:13] New Topic: Ideas for Jaunty [16:13] As you may have noticed we're preparing for another release of Ubuntu due in six months. [16:13] yay! [16:14] UDS topics are being worked on. [16:14] If you've got new ideas, please add them to the ServerTeam IdeaPool. [16:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/IdeaPool [16:14] I've also purged the Roadmap [16:15] There are some items which status I don't know. [16:15] [TOPIC] Integration of SASL and Postfix [16:15] New Topic: Integration of SASL and Postfix [16:15] ivoks: ^? [16:15] right... [16:15] ivoks: is this still something being worked on/considered? [16:15] i'll propose solutions for this problem in early dev. phase [16:16] i'll have time next week [16:16] ivoks: ok - so it's still on the radar [16:16] yes [16:16] ivoks: great. [16:16] [TOPIC] Merges [16:16] New Topic: Merges [16:16] As of now, Jaunty is *not* opened. [16:17] The basic toolchain and packages are still be worked on. [16:17] The archive should probably open sometime this week. By then, we'll go back in merge mode! [16:18] \o/ [16:19] last time around, I was publishing a list of *easy* merges. [16:19] I was wondering if that was a good idea [16:19] what do other people thing about such a list? [16:19] I think it's a good idea :) [16:19] * soren too [16:20] (don't have strong opinion :) [16:20] ok. I'll keep publishing such a list for this cycle then. [16:20] well - that's all I have. [16:20] [TOPIC] Open discussion [16:20] New Topic: Open discussion [16:21] * mathiaz leaves the floor to crazy ideas [16:21] no crazy ideas from me this time [16:21] accept dbconfig-common as a standard tool for databases :D [16:21] zul: you got burned by this whole FB story? [16:22] mathiaz: i didnt get any emails about it thankfully :) [16:22] ivoks: isn't it already in main? [16:22] mathiaz: it is, but my question is 'why we don't use it? and why did i remove it from bacula?' :) [16:22] because it wasnt it main at the time [16:22] it wasn't? [16:23] ok then [16:23] so, we could just re-merge it back? [16:23] ivoks: pretty much [16:23] ivoks: probably yes :) [16:23] praise the lord :) [16:24] yes praise him indeed [16:24] ivoks: one of the debian devloper may be at UDS [16:24] uds or fosscamp? [16:24] zul: don't know. [16:25] mathiaz: do we know who's been invited now? is there a list somewhere? [16:25] nijaba: there is a list *somewhere*. However I don't know where the *somewhere* is... [16:26] www.perdu.com ? [16:26] ?!? [16:26] lol [16:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSJaunty/Attendees [16:27] "Lost on the Internet" or some such? [16:27] soren: yes O<--- you are here [16:27] soren: yes [16:27] No, I'm not. I'm over there ---> * [16:27] soren: don't panic, we're here to help you [16:27] soren: * <---- you are here [16:28] oh... [16:28] :) [16:28] sommer: ok. These are mainly ubuntu members. [16:29] sommer: some upstream folks have also been invited (to Fooscamp and/or UDS) [16:29] foos/foss [16:29] ohh, gotcha [16:29] mathiaz: you'll meet kern, right? [16:29] ivoks: probably [16:30] ok [16:30] allright - so I think that's all I have to say for today's meeting [16:30] I'll be running a session for OpenWeek in 1:30 hours [16:31] in #ubuntu-classroom [16:31] ie at 18:00 UTC [16:31] mathiaz: break a leg [16:31] mathiaz: About what? [16:31] server team? [16:31] soren: the server team [16:31] all right! more PR :D [16:31] Awesome :) [16:31] what we did for the intrepid cycle and how to get involved [16:32] there are tons of other sessions and topics covered the whole week [16:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek has more information [16:33] kirkland and soren are also running a session [16:33] Anything else to add? [16:36] seems not [16:36] [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time [16:36] New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time [16:36] next week, same time, same place? [16:37] this is better time, yes [16:37] works for me :) [16:38] ivoks: better time? [16:38] ivoks: it should be the same time as usual (last week being unusual) [16:39] mathiaz: right - it's the same :D [16:39] ok - so see you all next week, same time in here., [16:39] adios! [16:39] Congratulations for intrepid [16:39] and welcome to Jaunty! [16:39] \o/ [16:39] later on all [16:40] #endmeeting [16:40] Meeting finished at 10:40. [17:17] * cking is here [17:17] Kernel Team Meeting... sorry its starting late google didn't adjust for DST changes *sigh* [17:18] DST challenges all of us. :) [17:18] #startmeeting [17:18] Meeting started at 11:18. The chair is pgraner. [17:18] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [17:19] Ok... I think this will be a short meeting since Intrepid just went out.... [17:20] [TOPIC] Post Intrepid Bug Status [17:20] New Topic: Post Intrepid Bug Status [17:20] I'm curious to see if we have seen a influx of new bugs? [17:20] Not a very high one. Only a few [17:20] I think ogasawara has quite a list of bugs pending against Intrepid. [17:20] ogasawara: have you seen any any trends? [17:21] pgraner: I'm seeing quite a few reports with patches [17:21] ogasawara: thats always nice [17:21] pgraner: I've been milestoning them [17:21] pgraner: most are simple fixes [17:21] as soon as I get a -security kernel done I'm gonna start griding through the SRU patches. [17:21] ogasawara: I've noticed a bunch with "special keys", brightness etc... [17:22] pgraner: yah, just was one about that too - bug 285323 [17:22] Launchpad bug 285323 in gnome-power-manager "Losing keyboard and mouse control when changing screen brightness with fn + arrow under intrepid" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/285323 [17:22] that one has a patch though in upstream that we just need to pull [17:23] Since I'm rather new, how does this compare with post Hardy, same time? [17:23] pgraner: post hardy I didn't see as many of these simple patches coming in post release [17:24] pgraner: but I think that had something to do with Hardy being LTS so more people were testing the alpha's/beta's [17:24] ogasawara: ok... [17:25] [TOPIC] Intrepid Update/Security Kernel [17:25] New Topic: Intrepid Update/Security Kernel [17:25] pgraner: I'm going to try and gather some actual bug stats so will post it to the ml [17:25] smb_tp: Whats the plan? [17:25] I am not sure if Tim jumped on it but otherwise I would take care that we have a security upadte [17:26] for intrepid kernel + hardy and gutsy lum [17:26] I'm working on the Intrepid -security update [17:26] working on that tonight [17:26] smb_tp: whats the target for getting that out? [17:26] After that I guess we should tackle the proposed updates for hardy and gutsy lum and hardy kernel [17:27] I'd have to speak with kees on that but I would like to see it rather sooner than later. [17:28] smb_tp: I'd like to get dates set so we know what the cut off is, mostly for the updates kernel. Can you propose dates for both security and updates? [17:28] pgraner, maybe I can convince him for an upload next Monday [17:29] smb_tp: I'm not hung up on the date as long as we have one [17:29] pgraner, (that would be for security) and then the proposed a week later [17:29] pgraner, so Nov 10 and 17 [17:29] [ACTION] smb_tp to set/publish dates for security and updates kernel for affected releases [17:29] ACTION received: smb_tp to set/publish dates for security and updates kernel for affected releases [17:30] Anyone see issues or have objections for the 10 & 17th? === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 04 Nov 21:00: Community Council | 05 Nov 18:00: Edubuntu | 10 Nov 18:00: LoCo Council | 11 Nov 16:00: Server Team | 18 Nov 11:00: Community Council | 18 Nov 16:00: Server Team [17:31] smb_tp: Ok then the 10th and 17th it is. [17:31] pgraner, ack [17:31] [ACTON] Security kernel upload by 10 Nov, updates kernel upload by 17th [17:32] [ACTiON] Security kernel upload by 10 Nov, updates kernel upload by 17th [17:32] ACTION received: Security kernel upload by 10 Nov, updates kernel upload by 17th [17:32] [TOPIC] RFC - RFC: Stable kernel updates and the SRU process (rtg) [17:32] New Topic: RFC - RFC: Stable kernel updates and the SRU process (rtg) [17:32] workin' on 'em [17:32] I included this in the wiki page as well. Obviously I am for it [17:33] rtg: based on the feedback on the RFC, you propose any changes? [17:33] pgraner: please tell what constructive feedback I received, other then complaints about process? [17:34] as far as I can tell, the only concern is regressions. [17:34] rtg, Take it as constructive feedback. :) [17:34] so, I plan to examine each patch and do my job, which is to evaluate them on their own merits. [17:35] rtg: sorry I went back to revisit the thread [17:35] rtg: so it would not be a blanket update to the latest stable? [17:35] amitk: nope, I'm gonna write an SRU for each one. [17:35] rtg: I understood it to be a complete update not selective [17:36] rtg: !! [17:36] pgraner, from the comments it seemed that some wanted to blame selecive bugs if something fails [17:36] But I also took it that we take everything [17:36] there'll be a bunch for the first -proposed kernel (approx 40 I think) [17:37] rtg: honestly I feel that writing 40 SRUs in LP will not scale [17:37] rtg: I'm in favor of keeping as close to the upstream source as possible, however the SRU process was not designed for that type of volume [17:37] amitk: well, it on'y happens once early in the cycle. stable updates slow way down pretty quickly. [17:37] maybe ogasawara can help s with some script magic... [17:38] smb_tp: yup, I think I can probably help whip up a script to automate it [17:39] rtg: would that work for you? [17:39] rtg: besides, you will have to 'invent' reasons you want to apply the patch. [17:39] some automation wuold help, for sure. [17:39] amitk, would not be "is in the stable kernel" be reason enaough [17:40] smb_tp: then what is the point of 40 bug reports each stating "is in the stable kernel" [17:40] amitk: pitti wants them for regression tracking. [17:40] amitk, IIRC it came from heno because (in case of regression) they wanted to have seperate record [17:41] ogasawara: so, are you gonna experiment with creating SRUs for stable updates? [17:41] rtg, ogasawara: lets see what we can automate and go from there? [17:42] rtg: yup, I'll email when I've got something [17:42] works for me [17:42] [ACTION] ogasawara to work with rtg on automating the RFC: Stable kernel updates and the SRU process [17:42] ACTION received: ogasawara to work with rtg on automating the RFC: Stable kernel updates and the SRU process [17:43] Ok, pitti (remembered wrong). Guess this would be a good compromise [17:43] [TOPIC] UDS Status & Prep [17:43] New Topic: UDS Status & Prep [17:43] Now that the release is out, I've got a ton of UDS actions to get out this week. [17:44] There have been initial meetings that started Fri and have continued on this week about various cross team initiatives [17:45] My email to the mailing list will have the mins from those meetings (they are all on wiki.u.c) and agendas with proposed dates for the tracks [17:45] I'm still waiting on two more meetings to happen this week then I'll get the data together and post it [17:46] thats about it so far... questions? [17:46] Then we'll keep moving [17:46] [TOPIC] Open discussion/Roundtable [17:46] New Topic: Open discussion/Roundtable [17:46] Any one have anything they want to add before we go into roundtable? [17:47] pgraner: community invites to UDS done? [17:47] amitk: Yes, I've been given a link to the list, but I didn't have perms to see it, I should be able to see shortly [17:48] amitk: they did the initial round of invites and there were declines, and they sent out the 2nd round of invites based on the new openings, but thats all I know right now [17:49] On to roundtable then... [17:49] I am still recovering from being ill, so I'm a bit behind on things, so I'll be catching up. Other than that nothing other than biz as usual for me [17:50] rtg: Whats going on in your world? [17:50] SRUs up the wazzoo, lots of wirelsss LBM work. [17:50] uploaded an LBM yesterday. [17:50] working on Intrepid -security update today, then back to SRUs [17:51] full stop. [17:51] rtg: thanks [17:51] BenC is out ill today, so we will move on to amitk [17:51] amitk: whats up? [17:52] Been doing Hardy SRUs for LPIA mostly [17:52] stop [17:52] amitk: great, thx [17:53] smb_tp: go... [17:53] ok then [17:53] moved across the atlantic. trying to work out the pending updates for hardy and gutsy [17:53] made intrepid ports for ia64 compiling [17:53] thats about it [17:54] smb_tp: thanks [17:54] cking: you're next [17:54] OEM bug squishing (BIOS reboot/suspend resume and audio) and Thurs/Friday I will be attending Embedded Linux Conference [17:54] * ogra waves to cking [17:54] cking has been wearing out SSDs [17:54] :) [17:55] and I knackered a SSD doing ISO testing :-) [17:55] rtg: didn't he kill that SATA drive not to long ago? [17:55] stop [17:55] ..that was dead on arrival. [17:55] pgraner: yep - he's hard on things. no more toys for Colin [17:55] * pgraner renames cking to cking_drive-killer [17:55] :^) [17:55] lieb: whats up? [17:57] pgraner: maybe he's napping? [17:57] we'll looks like we are missing lieb and sconklin... so I'll call it meeting end. [17:57] #endmeeting [17:57] Meeting finished at 11:57. [18:00] I'm here, just was looking aty the other screen... === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Community Council Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 05 Nov 18:00: Edubuntu | 10 Nov 18:00: LoCo Council | 11 Nov 16:00: Server Team | 18 Nov 11:00: Community Council | 18 Nov 16:00: Server Team [21:11] Hmm - I guess there is no Community Council Meeting - scheduled to start 10 minutes ago: Start: 2008-11-04 21:00 End: 2008-11-04 23:00 Timezone: Etc/GMT Location: #ubuntu-meeting The agenda still says The next meeting is scheduled for 21 October 2008, 11:00 UTC .... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [21:14] hmmm === wmirc is now known as jirahcox === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 05 Nov 18:00: Edubuntu | 10 Nov 18:00: LoCo Council | 11 Nov 16:00: Server Team | 18 Nov 11:00: Community Council | 18 Nov 16:00: Server Team | 21 Nov 20:00: Tunisian LoCo Team IRC