[02:37] Does anybody have any ideas on why Intrepid doesn't find the HTTP location for the CD to install from or load the user information from a preseed file? [03:11] What does it mean to "Manage system with Landscape" in the Ibex server? I can't find any documentation on that. === cateye is now known as CaTeYe [03:57] ok guys [03:58] is there a command to disable services [04:00] nevermind.... I thought my server was running sendmail/postfix or whatever [04:17] ok guys see you later === Pomiel is now known as DCPom === ponies is now known as abcdefghij [08:00] anyone? [08:05] !ask [08:05] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [08:05] I asked hours ago [08:05] moin [08:06] I asked what benefit I would get as a non-paying customer to select "Manage system with Landscape" in the server install. There is no documentation in the server guide about what this option actually entails. [08:14] lukehasnoname: the option only makes sense if you pay for Landscape, as it will register your server with Landscape and install the full client. [08:16] That's what I was thinking, but I didn't know if there was any "free" part of Landscape, or something I didn't know about, since it's not mentioned in the install. [08:16] and the automatic updates just install security updates every so often? [08:22] lukehasnoname: the free part of Landscape is now installed by default. You'll notice it when you login via a text console [08:23] lukehasnoname: automatic update installs unattended-upgrades which installs updates once a day [08:33] thanks [09:33] The virtualization part of the Server Guide should, in my opinion, be changed to reflect the use of the "virt-host task" method of virtual host setup [11:06] New bug: #293515 in bacula (universe) "bacula-director-mysql installed and started before mysql-server" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/293515 [11:08] Greeting from the other side of the firewall - why didn't I think of using an ssh tunnel as a socks proxy sooner!? :D [11:19] is there someone particularly attached to ucf? the three-way merge feature seems to cause a log of grief during upgrades (e.g. bug #293539) [11:19] Launchpad bug 293539 in ucf "package update-manager 1:0.93.32 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: SystemError in cache.commit(): E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/293539 [11:25] * soren thinks ucf's three way merge is sexy [11:26] mvo: For Samba, blame slangasek :) [12:01] New bug: #293567 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "can't install mysql-server due to unmet dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/293567 [12:04] * soren hates bugs [12:08] huh, mysql bugs are the most common, it seems [13:54] hey u guys, got a problem with my ubuntu server: bought today another NIC for my server so that it has 2 in order to set it up as gateway and firewall for my network. i connected one NIC to the DSL-Modem and the other to the switch, where the clients are connected also. What settings do i have to take care of now? [13:57] dou213: you need to setup a gateway with masquerading enabled. See https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html for more information on how to do that with 8.04 [14:00] mathiaz: thx in advance, i'm really tired now, i'll look it up later, can i come b 2 u with questions later on if i have problems with it? [14:01] dou213: sure. Come back to this channel and ask your questions here. Many other people here will probably be able to help you out too. [14:01] thx cya later. === CaTeYe is now known as cateye [14:21] !serverguide [14:21] The Ubuntu server guide may be found at http://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/ [14:21] !inetd [14:21] Sorry, I don't know anything about inetd [14:22] !openssl [14:22] Sorry, I don't know anything about openssl [14:22] !msa [14:22] Sorry, I don't know anything about msa [14:22] !mra [14:22] Sorry, I don't know anything about mra [14:24] kirkland: are you still making improvement to the manpage repository? [14:24] kirkland: I'm currently cleaning the server team roadmap [14:56] hey [14:56] I have a question, hope someone can help me :p [14:57] !ask | frontmill1 [14:57] frontmill1: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [14:57] mathiaz: yes, i am [14:57] mathiaz: i have a set of changes that are awaiting audit by kees [14:58] I have an old computer with 500mhz and 192mb memory, do you think it would be recommenable to install ubuntu-server on it? Or is the pc too crappy and would you reccommend installing another linux OS? [14:59] frontmill1: What CPU? [15:00] AMD k6 500 mhz [15:03] frontmill1: it should run, but it really depends on what you intend to use it for whether the performance will be adequate [15:03] what services do you intend to run? [15:04] matthewi: I will mainly be using it as webdevelopment environment, I want to host 1 or several repositories and I might use it as printserver too [15:04] 1 or several SVN reop's* [15:04] repo's [15:05] i think it will work fine; I've run a similar setup in the past [15:05] if your using mysql or another database it could be a little sluggish [15:05] but it should work for a dev environment [15:05] okay, thank you bery much [15:06] I guess using the alternate cd would be reccommendable? [15:09] can sysklogd send logs from diffent machines to different files? I have another machine sending its logs, this works fine if I use *.* /logile, (remote is sending *.* @thishost), but is there a filter i can use for just that machine, so i can have a log per machine? [15:10] eg machine1.* /var/log/machine1 [15:16] frontmill1: i've uses the text-based install on the alternate cd in the past [15:16] but i think current releases have their own server cd you could use [15:43] I'm having a slight issue with our new ubuntu-server 8.04 - it's a very isolated issue, but we're not entirely sure where to look yet [15:43] when visiting one particular page on our site, SOME users (like... 3 that we know of) are getting a Network Error (tcp_error) A communication error occured: '''' The web server may be down, too busy, or experiencing other problems preventing it from responding to requests. YOu may wish to try again at a later time. [15:44] It's 3 separate users, we can't replicate the issue internally, and didn't happen on our old novell server we just swapped from [15:44] same code, similar php versions, same apache2 version [15:57] kirkland: oh, which changes need my audit? [16:02] server meeting currently starting in #ubuntu-meeting [16:33] Hello, I'm looking for the default envvars.conf file for apache on a default server environment. I deleted it like an idiot.. [16:34] Does anyone know where I can find this? [16:34] apt-get --reinstall install [16:34] ivoks - If I do that, will it overwrite custom config files that I have set up already? [16:34] it will ask you [16:35] Cool [16:35] Thanks! [16:35] if you changed apache2.conf or something [16:35] i figured out my issue. The customer has a proxy server that apparently doesn't like the fact that we switched servers. Thanks anyways for the help. [16:36] Karamon: that's apache2.2-common package [16:38] soren: congrats on becoming the D-person :) [16:38] ivoks: I ran the install, but it didn't prompt me to overwrite anything and the file still didn't appear. [16:39] oh [16:40] Karamon: that's envvars [16:40] Thanks :) [16:40] without the .conf [16:41] bbl [16:42] ivoks: "D-person"? [16:44] * ogra wonders if thats the driver of the d-bus :) === Deeps_ is now known as Deeps [16:56] damn, jfs deadlocks on other server [17:12] I want to setup a dns server, I used this HowTo https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto, but I get * Starting domain name service... bind9 named: chroot(): Permission denied [17:12] I google the problem and the more common response is to remove apparmor, but I want to run with apparmor [17:20] might be offtopic but i'll get anyhwere else an answer. i just upgraded from hardy to intrepid and my workstation with mdraids will boot now with degraded arrays. with the old kernel everything works fine. [17:20] does anybody know, why this happens? [17:25] 0 254 4 0 active sync /dev/block/254:4 [17:25] what the hack is that for a device? [17:26] kraut: cat /proc/devices, check the 'block' section [17:29] domas: http://pastebin.com/m6db7c463 [17:29] then thats your LVM volume ;-) [17:29] and where are sda und sdb? [17:29] i'm not using lvm [17:29] sda/sdb are under 'sd' [17:29] you are using LVM [17:30] at least it is loaded and visible by kernel [17:30] i'm not using lvm! [17:31] domas: http://pastebin.com/m185e87db [17:31] lsmod :)) [17:32] domas: http://pastebin.com/mb6b3d48 [17:33] do you believe me now? :) [17:33] is that a problem with fakeraid? [17:33] what are these dm_ modules doing there? :) [17:33] no idea [17:34] these are all 'device mapper' [17:34] i installed that raid by using the alternate installer [17:34] so yes, thats your software raid [17:34] but it's degraded === jens_ is now known as jens === jens is now known as jens_ [17:34] http://pastebin.com/m59d8183b [17:34] domas: ^ [17:35] and with mdadm --detail the second device is missing [17:35] md1 is totally missing === macd_ is now known as macd [17:41] Can someone help me with a strange problem, after a server update from Ubuntu 8.04 (server) to Ubuntu 8.10 (server)? [17:41] http://dev.kingofdos.com/tmp/ubuntu810-serverproblem.jpg [17:42] that's the only thing that I can get from the server (by using a normal boot). [17:43] KingOfDos: have you tried the recovery boot option? does that work? [17:45] the server is not completing it's boot. when i press ctrl+alt+del at that point after a while (30 seconds or something) I can login to the tty. when i take a look at the mounted disks it "looks" that i'm missing the /home and i've got no /var/log [17:46] mvo: no, didn't try that. the update was completed at 17:45, the reboot at 17:50. [17:47] after that i'd take a quick look at the server. tomorrow from 08:00 i'm working on that device again. [17:48] so far I can see there is no harddisk broken, and my scsi card seems to work fine (according to HP iLO) [17:53] anyhow, the first thing i'll try is the recovery boot from the bootcd [17:56] perhaps that i'm first copying the complete /etc to another server, so my settings will be saved (specially the firewall and the openvpn setup). after that the recovery boot option. [17:59] domas? [18:13] take care guys [18:21] I upgraded to the latest -server kernel the other week (well, the mix of 'em) and ever since, I've been having major dhcpd issues. Is there any information on this or should I describe further? [18:24] how do i connect my ubuntu desktop to my macbook without ethernet? [18:25] josh_: I think this is the wrong chan for that..try #ubuntu [18:25] tried there first. no one is there [18:26] no one there? I'd try again... ;) There's probably more people in #ubuntu than anywhere else on freenode [18:27] ok, there are people there but no one has answered [18:30] josh_, a suggestion - you could try #ubuntu-(country code) - ie for UK there's #ubuntu-uk and so on - smaller number of folks and perhaps more likely to respond - try searching for it in channel list. [18:30] thanks [18:30] Can anyone comment on this thread? http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=48CE65D600038BC2%40mail-h3g-1.mail.tiscali.sys&forum_name=ltsp-discuss [18:35] Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? :p [18:45] Hello! I am using ubuntu server and I have a problem regarding PAM limits. The group I would like to limit is the group "ssh", only one session of each user in the ssh group should be able to be logged in at the same time. I'm able to do this in the file limits.conf but the problem is that I want to disconnect the old user session if a new user session was started with the same username. Now, when a user is fo [18:47] Do I have to make my own code or is this feature allready included in Ubuntu server? [18:49] im trying to start mediatomb on my server so i run sudo mediatomb but as soon as i log off the ssh session it shuts down, how can i keep it running? [18:52] Anyone? :=) [18:53] I am installing ubuntu server to run a website for a friend and work as a home server. Which sever software packages do i need to download? [18:56] apache2 :) [18:56] New bug: #293741 in samba ""sepcified" typo in net_rap.c" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/293741 [18:56] do you need a database, php, perl, other languages, etc? [18:57] i was asking about the installing options that come on the disk. I just chose to install all of them [18:58] josh_: Just install LAMP and Samba and you are good to go ^^^ [19:00] i already started installing all of them. so what are LAMP and Samba [19:01] LAMP is Linux Apache Mysql PHP. That is everything you need to host a website on your server. Samba is windows file and printer sharing so you can share files and printers with windows systems in your network. [19:03] ok [19:04] I am using ubuntu server and I have a problem regarding PAM limits. The group I would like to limit is the group "ssh", only one session of each user in the ssh group should be able to be logged in at the same time. I'm able to do this in the file limits.conf but the problem is that I want to disconnect the old user session if a new user session was started with the same username. Now, when a user is for examp [19:11] What can i use on my ubuntu server to share files. Theres no windows machines on the network so nfs should work. Is there an easier option besides nfs? [19:11] like webdav maybe? [19:14] grout: Well, if you have an sshd running I guess you could use sshfs from your other computers. [19:14] im just saying whats the best option? [19:14] whats the most common option samaba? [19:14] samba? [19:16] grout: best option? Depends on what you want to accomplish. [19:18] cifs and nfs both have their own strenghs and weaknesses, for simple generic filesharing without much complication, there's not much between them [19:30] is it a CLI? [19:30] i installed yesterday a SSH-server on my ubuntu server, now i restarted the server and i can't connect from a client anymore? [19:30] is it all CLI? [19:30] i restarted the ssh on the server [19:30] still can't connect [19:32] domas netsat -an | grep 22 [19:32] aww [19:32] dou213 netsat -an | grep 22 [19:32] what should i point out? [19:33] tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN [19:33] should have smt like that [19:33] yes [19:33] it has [19:33] then it must be your firewall [19:34] i installed some new packages 2day, dnsmasq and ipmasq [19:34] wanted to try to make it gateway [19:34] but i deinstalled them both when i saw i can't :) [19:35] dou213 offtopic but i would suggest using iptables nat for gateway functions [19:35] is ubuntu server just run as a server or can it run as a home computer also? is it all CLI? [19:35] dou213 you could try to see if you have any iptables rules in place iptables-save > somefile [19:35] josh_: yes it's only CLI [19:36] josh_: nevertheless u can install a GUI [19:36] josh_: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop [19:37] do I always need to copy all dirs and files to make a jail for a user ? [19:37] KiNnaZ: i'm a big newcomer in this, can u be more explicit, what are the commands to do this? [19:37] dou213 iptables-save > somefile [19:37] I would like to use something like AMD that you have on FreeBSD [19:37] dou213 after that check the contense of that file [19:38] dou213 or you could try /etc/init.d/iptables stop [19:38] dou213 if you havent changed ssh configuration it must be somekind of problem with firewall [19:38] dou213 can you connect to other services okey ? [19:39] KiNnaZ: let [19:39] s take it one after the other :) [19:39] i did that with somefile [19:39] then i sudo cat somefile [19:39] what should i look after? [19:40] dou213 deny or smt [19:40] dou213 did you build the firewall ? [19:40] i quess not [19:40] dou213 did you use somekind of firewall rules generator to create the firewall ? [19:40] setting up a file and webserver. Got 1TB available, what's a good plan for swap partition size? [19:40] all entries in this file are from fail2ban... a program i installed for the ssh-server so that it is more fiable against attacks [19:41] dou213 that fail2ban is whats hurting you for sure [19:41] 2GB of ram available [19:41] KiNnaZ: no deny in the somefile-list [19:41] dou213 you should revise it's configuration [19:41] KiNnaZ: how come? yesterday it went all good [19:41] KiNnaZ: i could connect to it [19:41] i have really no knowledge of that fail2ban [19:42] KiNnaZ: hmm, ok i'll go through the config files again [19:42] brb [19:42] TrioTorus: double your ram, is the general rule [19:43] Deeps: thx [19:44] can my swap use lvm2? [19:51] is /boot on lvm supported now in 8.10? [19:51] KiNnaZ: i tried to `sudo /etc/init.d/iptables stop`, it says no such file or directory [19:52] dou213 one option could be to flush the iptables, thou ALL settings will be removed from there iptables-flush for that [19:53] dou213 iptables --FLUSH [19:53] even [19:53] dou213 thou can use iptables-save > file and iptables-restore < file [19:53] to save and restore it aswell [19:56] dou213 ah and the line to look for from the iptables-save should be REJECT not DENY [19:56] sorry for giving out misleading information [19:57] KiNnaZ: np, wasn't that misleading at all ;) [19:59] KiNnaZ: i tried to ping the host from the client, can't see him... so there i definetely a firewall in the way... but i can't say what it is, this is the link which i followed today: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Router [19:59] KiNnaZ: look only at the commands, the rest is another language [20:00] KiNnaZ: hopefully u can figure out what i did and maybe some solution do undo it... [20:00] *to [20:00] dou213 could you paste that output from iptables-save to somewhere [20:00] no, i've flushed iptables, now there is nothing in it [20:00] dou213 thou theoreticaly iptables --flush should remove all rules from firewall [20:01] dou213 and still no connection to ssh ? [20:01] nope :( [20:01] dou213 check /etc/hosts.deny [20:02] KiNnaZ: every line in /etc/hosts.deny is commented: with # in front [20:03] dou213 is the box in internet ? [20:03] KiNnaZ: no [20:03] KiNnaZ: did u have a look on the link i sent u [20:03] dou213 yeah nothing there that could hurt imho [20:03] KiNnaZ: the commands listed there are those which i played today [20:04] KiNnaZ: i could put the box online [20:04] KiNnaZ: but what would it help? [20:04] was just wondering would have tried to nmap it or smt [20:04] then could be sure that smt is blocking just your ip [20:06] KiNnaZ: gotta reconnect to the net here in order to put the server online [20:06] dou213 dunno if it helps but you could try to stop the fail2ban [20:06] KiNnaZ: ok trying that first [20:06] dou213 and check fail2ban log files for any bans or smt [20:07] stop fail2ban with: `sudo /etc/init.d/fail2ban stop` ? [20:07] quess so [20:07] offtopic: is fail2ban supporting ipv6? [20:07] KingOfDos if it uses iptables, in theory it could [20:07] y i've read about it [20:08] ah nice, then i'll try to find something usefull soon. [20:08] in about 2 months i've got native ipv6 at the datacenter. so i'm preparing for that. [20:08] ipv6 for the win :) [20:09] KiNnaZ: tried stopping fail2ban, won't work either... [20:09] dou213 check the log files then, see if it has banned anything so far [20:10] KiNnaZ: already checked them... `sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE` this command, couldn't it be cuz of this? [20:10] dou213 it justs enables of NAT [20:11] KiNnaZ: how do i disable it? [20:11] or reverse the command [20:11] to make it as it was before.. [20:11] you already have by flushing the tables [20:12] only thing still changed from the howto you were using is net ipv4 forwarding [20:12] thou it cant be whats causing the problem you have at the moment [20:12] because it just basicaly makes box gateway [20:13] well let's disable that also, make it as it was before all that, maybe it will work practically, if theoretically it is nonsense [20:13] so... `sudo sysctl -w net/ipv4/ip_forward=0` ? [20:13] echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward [20:14] echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward [20:14] result should be the same [20:14] as your line [20:14] thou that still isnt whats causing the problem with your ssh [20:15] KiNnaZ: permission denied, although i did sudo before it [20:15] make it your way then if my way wont work [20:15] i'm using debian maybe that could have some effect [20:15] thou anyways after the reboot it will be set to 0 again [20:15] so dont worry about it [20:16] KiNnaZ: permission denied... [20:16] anyways try to find fail2ban log file or smt [20:16] and see if has smt about banning your ip [20:16] w8, maybe i run some other commands today... looking on the tuts [20:17] Hello Ubuntu users! [20:17] how can i check if a program is running? [20:18] I have installed a Ubuntu Intrepid on a HP Proliant server with 32G of RAM and run: sudo vmbuilder kvm ubuntu --suite hardy --flavour server --arch amd64 -o --libvirt qemu:///system --user usuario --name Usuario --pass password666 --mirror http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu --dest hardy01 --hostname guesthardy0 [20:18] but... How to boot my new VM after vmbuild finishes ? [20:18] ahhh i know now the problem :))) [20:19] I see a virtual disk at: hardy01/disk0.qcow2 but I don't know how to boot it! [20:19] with KVM.. of course... [20:19] My server is a x86_64 [20:19] dou213 ps -ax |grep progname [20:20] dou213 ps -ax | grep progname [20:20] In Ubuntu 8.04.1, How do I add a new serial terminal for iLO2? [20:20] KiNnaZ: thx for ur help mate, it was the client with the problem... i use a windows client, and i've made some changes in the LAN-settings, thus it isn't in the same subnet anymore :) no wonder it didn't work :) [20:20] lol [20:20] okey :P [20:20] When I use virsh to connect to KVM, the "list" command don't show any virtual machine there... [20:20] Do I have to create rc.serial to /etc/event.d/ or something= [20:24] KiNnaZ: but i can check it also within `top` or not? if it is listed there then it is up and running [20:24] dou213 yeah you can use top, top just doesnot show all proccesses [20:24] dou213 ps -ax gives you everything running [20:24] dou213 and its wise to grep to get just what you need [20:24] KiNnaZ: k thx ;) [20:24] np [20:26] hey all...is it possible to have a matrix-like raid setup in linux. I want to take 3 drives and create a 6 partitions total. 3 small ones for raid 1 mapped to the /boot partition and 3 large partitions for a raid 5 mapped to the / partition [20:28] yep [20:28] and part 2 of that question is would it hinder the raid 5 performance to do this? btw they would all be software raids [20:28] mdadm will let you do that [20:28] thanks Deeps [20:29] will the raid 5 suffer performance from this or not because the /boot partition is mostly inactive after booting? [20:30] if having 2 different types of raid on the same physical disks will kill the performance of my raid 5 then its worth it to but seperate /boot disks [20:30] but = buy* [20:31] basically Im trying to make a cheap reliable storage server...and i dont want a hardware raid [20:33] i bought today a second NIC, i put it on my server box. if i connect through it to the network, i also can't see the server... can somebody tell me how to troubleshoot this? [20:34] the card is supported [20:34] chipset 8139 [20:34] when i `lspci | grep Ethernet` then it shows them both [20:35] hm I got to the point where I have to choose where to copy lilo: /dev/md1 or another path. /dev/md1 is a physical volume of a volume group named myraid. On the vg myraid, I made a logical volume named boot, but trying to install lilo to /dev/myraid-root fails. What am I doing wrong? [20:36] sorry: trying to install to /dev/myraid-boot fails [20:48] dou213: Could you define "see the server" and "connect through it" please? [20:50] tonyyarusso: see the server: i can't ping it from the client, and connect through it: it is that NIC which is connected to the switch [20:51] dou213: gotcha. Could you pastebin 'ifconfig -a' then? [20:51] can you ping client from server ? [20:52] tonyyarusso: just did ifconfig -a, guess i just needed to set a static ip on the second NIC :) [20:52] hi [20:53] dou213: nice :) [20:53] question about ho server speeds, on a ubuntu machine -- disregarding, the internet. [20:53] how to i make the connections to my server (out of network ones) less laggy [20:53] ;) [20:53] ;) [20:54] ok [20:55] @uvirt [20:55] !uv [20:55] Sorry, I don't know anything about uv [20:55] !w [20:55] Sorry, I don't know anything about w [20:55] Cosmos-moo: get a less laggy connection [20:55] !shutdown [20:55] Sorry, I don't know anything about shutdown [20:55] it isn't laggy. maybe i could upgrade or kill some processes? [20:55] whatever [20:55] ping the ip [20:56] dunno my shells are out of lag :P [20:56] or just quit [20:56] yeah save some bw for that putty :P [20:56] obviously that was the weak spot [20:57] lol, his connection's terrible [20:58] 136ms to the last hop before him [20:58] 3000ms to him [20:58] try me [20:59] out of curiousity [20:59] 42ms from my server in london [20:59] :) [21:00] and you are actually in .ee [21:00] nice [21:02] is there an irc channel i can go to for raid 5 on linux questions? [21:16] hi all i got a problem while upgrading to intrepid from hardy: http://main.freakyy.de/errors.txt [21:16] can you please help me? [21:36] does anyone know if likewise-open works on non-AD setups? (caching in particular..) [21:48] Server guide needs to be moved from doc.ubuntu.com, and updated for Intrepid, especially w.r.t. the virtualization guide. the updated tasksel method of virtual host setup, the new meta packages for virt-management, all need to be covered. [21:49] I will continue to bug you guys about it! I know a bug is filed about the draft guide needing moved, but not about the virtualization updates needed. [23:02] New bug: #293823 in samba (main) "package samba-common 2:3.2.3-1ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: (dup-of: 293539)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/293823 [23:07] Hi, where can i find documentation about ubuntu-vm-builder in 8.10? [23:57] does anyone have suggestions on a good/easy RIP implementation? [23:59] zoredache: quagga