[00:00] i seem to have lost my fine explaining touch this evening >_< [00:00] What's your graphics card? [00:01] NVidia GeForce MX 420 [00:01] run 'xdpyinfo | grep NV-GLX' [00:02] ok, nothing happened [00:03] ok, then pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf [00:04] http://paste.ubuntu.com/67026/ [00:06] ok, as root or using sudo, open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf with your favorite editor [00:06] done [00:07] in the "Device" section, change the line 'Driver "nv"' to 'Driver "nvidia"' [00:07] ok [00:08] since you're going to use a proprietary driver from nvidia, you need to install it first. You've stated that, before restarting X, try to modprobe it first: 'sudo modprobe nvidia' [00:09] ok so i reboot again now? [00:09] if it works and 'lsmod | grep nvidia' returns the nvidia kernel module, you can restart X and you'll be using nvidia's driver [00:09] A simple logout + X-Server restart (CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE) + login should be enough [00:10] ok [00:11] hope i got it right now... i modprobed nvidia (nothing in output) and then lsmod which returned this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/67032/ [00:12] looks fine [00:12] If you're unable to restart X, you just need to revert that change to /etc/X11/xorg.conf [00:13] ok [00:13] here goes, brb [00:16] biz, thanks a lot, it works! :D [00:17] Fine.. you were just using the "nv" driver, which is the opensource "equivalent" to nvidia's proprietary, closed-source driver you're using now. So the installation or switch between the nvidia packages shipped did nothing in reality ;-) [00:18] ahaa i see [00:20] there's another project called "nouveau", which aims at usable opensource nvidia drivers.. you could try it if your card is supported [00:21] what is it's advantage over the proprietary drivers, except being free? [00:23] probably better support for some open desktop standards and the chance to fix bugs earlier and get in some more advanced features.. but 3D performance-wise, stay with nvidia's proprietary drivers.. === Ciaran__ is now known as owen9914 [00:33] hi, group, I'm a ati laptop user. I found that xubuntu 8.10 ship open source ati driver as substitution of fglrx. Now I can't set desired resolution for my laptop. [00:33] any suggestion? thanks [00:35] !fglrx | solotim [00:35] solotim: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [00:36] thank you! [00:41] np [01:30] hi, i can not see ntfs partition any more, since last week, i use xubuntu 8.04.1 [01:31] efpc2003, whats changed? Any idea why? [01:31] yes, it hapen 10 days ago [01:31] yes what? [01:32] happen or hapen (i dont speak english, i hope you understandme) [01:32] I asked you "what has changed?" and "any idea why?". Do you have any idea what has changed to cause your problem? [01:33] using thunar i always see my ntfs partition, nothin has changed on my pc, just "update-manager" its every thing up-to-date [01:35] only one thing, i downloaded xmms (source) and i installed/ was installed using a terminal "./configure make sudo make install" [01:36] and opera 9.62 using gdebi [01:37] the same thing happened some one else on ubuntuforums [01:39] efpc2003, You do know it isn't recommended to compile and install your own applications for the average user. [01:42] hello, group. my xorg.conf file is extremely simple, only "Device" "Monitor" and "Screen" included. no resolution info declared. I have run the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but nothing changed. what should i do next? [01:42] see this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6098353#post6098353 [01:43] I have read atidriver guide of ubuntu.com , but I can't figure it out. [01:44] my video card is legacy "ATI Rage Mobility M3" [01:45] I think I should use the xserver-xorg-video-ati, not the xorg-driver-fglrx [01:46] but the problem is that I just can't set resolution to 1024x768. my xubuntu desktop is stuck in 800x600@60Hz [01:47] thanks for any help! [01:47] besides, my mouse can't work now! it's absolutely OK with xubuntu 8.04 [01:56] I have to remove xubuntu from all my old laptops, because its way too heavy. Can you recommend another distro that's more lightweight than xubuntu 8.10? [01:58] do you think that xubuntu will continue to grow heavier and heavier, or perhaps it'll go back to the levels of hardy, gutsy or even feisty? Those worked perfectly, but now it swaps all the time, making it impossible to do anything. [01:58] XiXaQ: seems quite useable on my box [01:59] How much RAM do you have? [01:59] 128MB. [01:59] Yeah, you probably want more than that for Linux [01:59] (at least, Linux with a desktop) [01:59] well. Xubuntu Hardy boots in 1m5s on that laptop. Intrepid boots in just over six minutes. [01:59] It would work beautifully with NetBSD + blackbox, but that's hardcore. [01:59] 1minute 50 seconds... [02:00] * ball blinks [02:00] I'm used to PCs booting in seconds [02:00] on ten year old computers? [02:01] it seems a bit strange to double the minimum requirements just like that. [02:03] XiXaQ: yes, on ten year old computers [02:03] XiXaQ: I use a minimal install based on the server cd and fluxbox - it uses 45mb to get the desktop loaded [02:03] you're using DSL then? [02:04] XiXaQ: No, I use NetBSD on those. [02:04] Anyone happen to know how I mount a fat filesystem from a USB device (iPod Mini)? [02:05] mount -t vfat /dev/blabla /mountpoint? [02:05] mount -t vfat /dev/sdxx /path/to/mountpoint should work [02:06] what's the least user hostile of those less resource heavy environments? [02:07] thanks [02:07] XiXaQ: NetBSD is a cow to install but quite pleasant once you get there... if you like unix that is. [02:07] thiese people are not geeks, they're just normal people who wanted an alternative to windows or throwing the laptops in the trash. It's such a shame that xubuntu isn't an alternative anymore, because they've grown used to it. [02:07] XiXaQ: candidates for Edubuntu? [02:07] huh? [02:08] Machines that limited might make nice X terminals [02:08] my uncle uses his laptop at his cabin, for instance. [02:08] Yeah, Edubuntu's not an option for him then, at least, not in the way that I had in mind. [02:08] NX could work, but.. [02:09] you know, people like youtube and stuff. that doesn't work well with thinclients. [02:09] Doesn't work with NetBSD either. [02:09] the new DSL looks nice though. [02:10] but I suspect it isn't exactly very user friendly. [02:10] Ugh... can't drag files away. [02:10] s/away/around/ [02:11] XiXaQ: dsl is based on right click menu - but it is limited in packages [02:13] Hmm... Ubuntu' [02:13] oops [02:13] XiXaQ: Why not keep Hardy? it is supported for three years, 2.5 from now. [02:13] Ubuntu's "no root" policy is a pain in my butt. [02:15] charlie-tca, well. It is an option. [02:15] ball, why? [02:16] XiXaQ: well, I suppose the real cause is elsewhere. I can't seem to get permissions right for everyday things. [02:16] if you really want to, you can enable the root account in about five seconds. [02:16] XiXaQ: well, I can "sudo /bin/sh" [02:16] you can du sudo passwd root.. [02:16] if you really want to, that is. [02:17] okay, I'll keep that in mind [02:17] I need to make this ipod world-writable [02:17] but there is a reason why we have the sudo mechanism. [02:17] ball: do you own the mountpoint? [02:18] ball, really? chmod -R g+r mountpoint? [02:18] I created the mountpoint as 777 [02:18] before or after you mounted the device? [02:18] Hmm, but when I mounted it it became 755 [02:18] ehrm, the partition. [02:18] ...and I can't seem to change that [02:19] what do you do? [02:19] Hello [02:19] isn't it 0777 for a dir? [02:19] ball, sudo chmod -R g+r mountpoint. [02:19] XiXaQ: sorry, I don't speak that. [02:19] ball, instead of mounting it as root, mount it as you [02:19] ball, huh? [02:19] favro: a mountpoint is a directory === cody-somerville_ is now known as cody-somerville [02:19] cody-somerville: that's damn strange [02:20] I'll try it though [02:20] Got a little question for you. I installed Kubuntu on a Quad and works really fine. I wanted to install Ubuntu or Xubuntu on a PIII, what do you think? [02:20] ball, sudo runs the command as root. chmod changes permissions for a file or folder. -R makes sure you also set permissions for the included files and folders. g+r means you want to give read permissions to the group. But you wanted write, so you'll use g+w instead. [02:20] mount: only root can do that [02:21] juanantonio: provided the PIII has ample RAM, no problem. [02:21] 192 Mb is enough? I can put 320 Mb [02:22] I personally recommend atleast 256mb of ram [02:22] 512mb would be best [02:22] How much space do Ubuntu and Xubuntu take from my HD? [02:23] juanantonio: I'm trying it on a machine with 384 Mbytes of RAM and that seems to work well. [02:23] More would be better. [02:23] It is a 10 years PC, I can use it as an aMule downloader [02:24] juanantonio: I'm surrounded by ten year old PCs [02:24] what is an amule? [02:24] 384? I don't know if I can put that, thank you for your info about it ;) [02:24] A ed2k client [02:24] What is an ed2k? [02:25] 320 Mbytes is odd, but probably about the same as 384 Mbytes for basic use. [02:25] cody-somerville: I can't seem to mount this thing as me (well, as doris, whose machine I'm using) [02:25] I found it in KDE repositories and I know how to use it, and I don't want to know how to use another one, excep this program is Azureus [02:26] ball, you would use pmount to do it or something [02:26] juanantonio: it's a bittorrent client? [02:26] cody-somerville: why not just mount though? [02:26] ball, you might ask try setting the umask option when mounting as root [02:26] Azurues is, aMule is an open eMule [02:26] ball, because mount requires you to be the superuser. [02:26] cody-somerville: I did that but then you told me to try as me [02:27] :-) [02:27] juanantonio: sorry, I don't speak that. [02:27] What do you refer to then? [02:28] mount seems a lot harder on Linux than I'm used to. [02:29] Ball, so is it better speaking on resources saving Kubuntu or Xubuntu? [02:29] Or Ubuntu? ;) [02:29] the thing is... I don't understand what new features in xubuntu warrants so much more memory usage? I couldn't hardly see the difference. [02:29] juanantonio: Xubuntu is almost certainly lighter and quite probably nicer. [02:30] XiXaQ: It comes with free cake [02:30] Can I download 8.10 or should I do start with an older version? [02:30] I don't get it. The device file is 777, the mountpoint is 777 [02:30] wtf? [02:32] Oh well, I have to go anyway. [02:32] Hopefully I'll be able to mount this thing from a Windows box at the hospital. [02:32] ball, you don't change permissions on the device file.. [02:32] XiXaQ: what's the plan then? [02:32] you mount the partition and _then_ set permissions on the mountpoint. [02:32] Ball, please tell me about the version of Xubuntu ;) [02:33] XiXaQ: I don't seem to be able to do that. [02:33] and I leave you calm and easy ;) [02:33] juanantonio, xubuntu 8.10 is alot heavier than 8.04, but 8.04 is good for computers with less resources. [02:33] juanantonio: I don't know much about it, I've only been using it a few days. I have to go and visit my daughter in hospital though. [02:33] Thank you a lot and have the best time you can, ok? [02:34] ball, vfat doesn't support file permissions though. [02:34] XiXaQ: good point. [02:34] XiXaQ, have you tried top to identify what process is taking up so much memory usage? [02:35] XiXaQ: any idea how to make it world-writable then? [02:35] dcolish, most of the processes belong to xfce. [02:36] there is no xfce user [02:36] dcolish, you know, when you only have 128MB RAM, a little increase in mem usage has a big impact on performance, since you begin to swap much more frequently. [02:36] sure, and i'm trying to help you [02:36] dcolish, that's not what I meant. [02:36] the processes are named xfce-blabla. [02:37] the laptop I upgraded to intrepid yesterday is ok, because it can be upgraded and will be, but I have others which cannot. [02:37] are you using a lot of panel objects? [02:38] only the standard ones. [02:38] try running pstree [02:38] maybe you need to cut back on some objects [02:38] such as? [02:38] I'm off to visit fork anyway. [02:38] i dont know what you're running [02:38] standard xubuntu. [02:38] I haven't added or removed anything. [02:39] just run pstree and see whats listed there. [02:39] standard xubuntu hardy runs nicely. Standard xubuntu intrepid is very slow. [02:39] also try top [02:40] I hate intrepid xubuntu!!!!! [02:42] XiXaQ, for extremely low memory systems you should read this wiki http://linux-mm.org/ [02:43] heh, dcolish, the nipple has stopped working since yesterday, and I haven't touched the computer since then,. [02:44] XiXaQ, not quite sure what you mean by that? [02:45] XiXaQ, here is an interesting article on memory management as well http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2770 [02:45] you know.. A pointing device? I wasn't able to use it now. When I restarted gdm, though, it started working again.. [02:46] ah, the thingie, thats what i've heard it called. Check out your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for anything mouse related [02:46] also dmesg can be helpful, but chances are its xserver related if you can detect it at all [02:49] XiXaQ, for memory see how often your system is swapping out memory, vmstat 1 100. if that swap number changes a lot thats what is slowing you down [02:50] yes, it's swapping _heavily_. The harddisk sounds like I'm formatting it or something. [02:51] ok, thats a start, you say there is only 128M of ram eh? even xfce might be too heavy for that [02:51] without xserver how is the system? [02:52] nice.. [02:52] I've disabled all update notifications, but it's still running and using 11% or the memory. [02:52] 12% even. [02:53] how do I disable stuff like gnome-power-manager, gnome-screensaver, etc? [02:53] can you pastebin your top, free, vmstat 1 100 output and pstree? [02:53] you can just remove it, i dont think that hurts anything [02:54] how? [02:54] but lets look at whats really going on for now [02:54] those might not be the applications that are causing the problems [02:55] the problem is the wild swapping. [02:55] pls provide the output from top, pstree, vmstat 1 100 and free [02:55] in a pastebin lnik [02:56] is there a easy way to upgrade to 8.10 without downloading 600+ megs. just install the essentials? [02:56] i'm working blind otherwise [02:57] Bon matin! [02:57] dcolish, I don't exactly know how to do that. If I don't do anything, then it doesn't swap until I move the mouse, a window, or something like that. [02:58] XiXaQ, my bad, pop open a terminal and run pstree, then put that into a pastebin? !pastebin [02:58] !pastebin [02:58] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [02:58] pstree is ok, but vmstat 1 100 keeps running and the values won't make much sense if I don't do anything? [02:59] press control c to stop vmstat [02:59] fyi, control c stops an active process in the terminal [03:00] I know.. You're missing the point. [03:00] I don't know how to capture it just when it's swapping wildly. If I stop doing things and just run vmstat, then no swap occurs. [03:01] then run vmstat then move some windows around and check the swap #'s. you can let vmstat run for a bit, it won't hurt the system [03:03] that didn't look very nice: http://www.rafb.net/p/xa2a6K59.html [03:04] yeah the characters got messed with during the paste. no worries [03:04] http://paste.ubuntu.com/57087 [03:05] http://paste.ubuntu.com/67087 [03:05] so my first suggestion is to use wicd rather than network-manager for wireless config. [03:06] ok? Does that handle wpa well? [03:07] it works well for me [03:07] everyone i've recommended to likes it [03:07] where do I get that, is it in the repositories? [03:08] http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php [03:08] just replace hardy with intrepid [03:09] and this is alot less resource demanding? [03:09] yes [03:10] its a small python app and requires no gnome code to run [03:14] how do i output from my notebook to my tv with a vga cable? [03:16] dcolish, but network manager seems to use very little memory. gnome-screensaver uses alot more. so does the power manager. [03:16] do you use suspend? [03:16] oh, but then there is nm-applet.. [03:16] no, never. [03:17] you might not be unhappy without gnome-pm [03:17] don't need screensaver og power manager either, because this laptop has to be plugged in. [03:17] bbr [03:17] erm, brb too [03:17] then pull'em [03:17] how? [03:18] you mean uninstall? [03:18] sudo apt-get remove . Just be very careful to review exactly what is being removed. You only want to pull those packages [03:18] yeah [03:19] isn't there a way to simply stop them from starting at logon? [03:21] probably, give me a minute [03:21] How do i update from 8.04 to 8.10? [03:21] Just change repesorities? [03:22] repositories i mean? [03:22] crapo_jaune, update-manager -d [03:23] Ah! Thank you dcolish [03:28] XiXaQ, you should be able to easily disable via Xfce menu -> settings manager -> autostarted apps. just uncheck the box and restart [03:29] you can also disable gnome-screensaver there [03:30] I'd like to make our organization's computers act enough like other operating systems that volunteers are not scared away from operating them. Similar look, same shortcut keys, menu layout, similar names for it all ("Stuff" menu instead of Start Menu, Contortion Panel, Finger instead of Finder, etc). I know how to do all that, but, can I then setup several "new user profiles", one themed mac, one themed XP, one themed vista. T [03:31] XiXaQ, also try commenting out "DPMS" in your xorg under the monitor section if it exists. [03:32] setup several "new user profiles", one themed mac, one themed XP, one themed vista. Then when a new user is created, easily select one; ideally the new user would select it? [03:34] zerothis, each user home folder can have a .themes folder that contains the new theme. maybe you can make that work? [03:37] does/can the .themes contain _everything_? hotkeys, wallpaper, display manager, panel layouts, names of menu items, ? [03:38] zerothis, http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/install_new_themes [03:42] > hi everybody [03:42] im trying to install xubuntu alternative hardy heron on a 700mhz, 64mb ram system [03:42] however its hanging on the screen after it asks u to click continue to partition. [03:43] all im seeing is a blue screen.. the keyboard works.. text appears at the bottom.. but theres no loading.. or nothing happening.. [03:43] tried 3 different downloads of the same file [03:43] what could it be? [03:43] anyone? cheers in advance [03:44] the install is a clean install [03:44] it keeps on hanging.. i've tried a cd check.. works fine [03:44] hanging where_ [03:46] the part where it reads the drives.. after that it says click continue for partitioning.. maybe worded slightly different.. i'm just booting up now so that i can print the msg to u :) [03:46] after i click continue.. then the screen goes blank.. blue.. the keyboard can be used.. but just to write.. theres no options.. [03:46] 2 secs [03:47] will get the msg ;) [03:49] ok [03:49] detecting disks and all other hardware.. it gets to 100% then.. [03:49] [!!] partition disks ??? ??? [03:50] appears [03:50] with CONTINUE .. GO BACK [03:50] if i click either [03:50] the screen turns blue [03:50] dcolish: yes, that handles the looks quite nicely. But the behaviors, hotkeys, names and layouts of menus? [03:50] no text [03:50] :S [03:51] do you have xfce? [03:51] guardro, any ideas bud? [03:51] dcolish, is that question aimed at me ? [03:52] no zerothis, forgot to put the name in there [03:52] lol ok [03:52] can anybody suggest any ides which may help me get over this obstacle? [03:52] please [03:53] hmm, my first suggestion would be to make sure you're burning the disk at it's lowest possible speed. just because it passes integrity check when it's being read slowly doesn't mean it does when it's reading it fast and intermittently like during an install. [03:53] yeh burned it ar 12x [03:53] at 12x [03:53] rather than 48x [03:54] Fluidz: WARNING, this assumes you don't want to keep any info on the drive already, don't do this if you're dual booting or keeping some part of the drive for a different purpose. it's a partition problem. Try formating one big ext2 partition first. THis will completely ERASE THE DRIVE. after its done, go back and use the guided partition. [03:54] cool [03:55] zerothis, will the installation continue if theres a ext2 partition? [03:55] i mean theres windows xp on there, using fat32 [03:55] i want to remove everything [03:55] hi :) [03:55] zerothis, the reason i ask is there is a file under .themes//xfwm4/keythemerc that keeps key bindings [03:56] zerothis, is there a way of formatting using the xubuntu alternative cd? [03:56] i have a question about webcam support if thats ok [03:56] !hi | moontiger [03:56] moontiger: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [03:56] maybe, this solution worked for me once. the guided partition was not likeing the windows on the drive I guess. So I erased it all then used guided [03:56] :) [03:56] Fluidz, can you burn it any slower say 4x or 1x? [03:56] lol for sure yeah.. but darn.. ive just burned my last 2 cds.. ive a cdrw here though [03:56] would that be adequate at 1x? [03:57] yea, that'll definitely burn very slowly. so it'd work [03:57] u think it may be the burn? how about zerothis's assumption? [03:58] 8.10 is supposed to have better webcam support i have read [03:58] but i plugged my webcam into my 8.04 laptop and it works pretty well under skype [03:58] but under 8.10 it doesnt even register [03:58] anybody know anything about this kind of thing? [03:59] guardro, i dont want to waste the time of burning at 1x if its the file system which is the prob m8 [03:59] well, it's not getting to the point of writing a filesystem so that isn't the issue. [04:00] lol yeah true [04:00] i thought that as much [04:00] theres no activity on the hd when i click continue [04:00] Fluidz, if you can burn it at 4x or 8x and try that. It might also be your cd drive is dirty or beginning to fail [04:00] its a friends pc.. the cd rom is really old for sure [04:01] but when doing the integrety check, it flew with flying colours [04:01] ill try ur suggestion m8.. nothing to lost [04:01] will let u know how it turns out [04:06] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=469220 [04:06] guardro, please check that link [04:07] apaprently 64mb isnt enough for xubuntu.. as quoted on that page. Before downloading i'm sure it said that 64mb was adequate for alternative. [04:08] dcolish: the .themes seems like a big piece of the puzzle, thanks [04:09] 64 does seem rather low, i'd look into dsl or puppy linux for that amount of ram [04:09] ok mate, which ones the better? [04:10] for firefox and apps included.. [04:10] for example word apps.. mp3s also ? [04:11] zerothis, np, good luck with that. If you come up with a good solution consider contributing to the wiki. I'm sure other people would like to be able to offer that feature too [04:11] I've not had much experience with either to be honest, i've had more experience with dsl but it's usually for utilitarian systems. [04:11] ok cheers [04:11] will try puppy linux === cody-somerville_ is now known as cody-somerville [04:18] dcolish: I'll keep a journal :) === Pomiel is now known as DCPom [04:55] hello! [04:57] hi [05:01] I have little trouble to start my install process of the cd-version from my usb-stick [05:02] the installer says that no cd-drive found.. sure by netbook haven't one :) [05:03] but how can I set the usb-stick as install source.. [05:03] ups.. not by .. my netbook.. soory :) [05:03] Tidirium: you want to install from usb? [05:03] yes - usb-stick [05:04] lets search at ubuntu forums.... [05:05] :) [05:05] kk [05:07] wow too many people/too much people have that problem [05:09] most entries handle an installation "to" an usb stick.. [05:09] a usb [05:09] oh men.. to early in the morning here.. :/ [05:09] you say: a pendrive [05:10] yep [05:12] ah.. I see a article that describe to mount the stick to /cdrom .. that is what I have try to do.. [05:13] lets try again.. [05:15] mount /dev/sdb1 /cdrom failed: invalid argument [05:15] with the -t ext2 (my stick is formatted with this) .. no such device.. :/ [05:16] mount -t cdromfs /dev/sdb1 /media/cdrom? [05:16] no way [05:16] no such device.. [05:17] #/proc/partitions says there is /dev/sdb1 [05:17] hmm [05:18] uhh.. no fdisk found.. :/ [05:20] ahh.. there is no kernel module to use ext2.. [05:20] that will not work.. ;) [05:21] ahh.. ok.. there are only m$ and isofs driver.. so I can't access the stick.. [05:22] grr.. first I must fix this.. [05:23] thx anyway [05:50] sudenly lost audio has but was working fine before this happen to anyone? [06:41] hi [06:42] what (ah) sould I do to stop updatedb.mlocat killing my productivity? [06:42] it started and it is killing me every time it starts [06:42] uninstall it [06:43] what? [06:43] isn`t it a part of the system? [06:44] it starts like, once a day or so [06:44] so it didn`t bother me before [06:44] it is niced to 10 [06:44] but since it it disk-intensive, i don`t think it helps a lot [06:46] you can uninstall it, it isn't required. I like it, but if you aren't regularly using the 'locate' command then it probably isn't doing anything useful for you [06:46] what time is it starting? Another choice might be to simply reschedule it to a different time [06:52] zoredache, My thinking exactly [06:53]