/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/11/05/#kubuntu-devel.txt

Riddellooh nixternal's party is on BBC News channel00:19
Riddellwonder if he's one of the people running in to get at the front00:20
jussi01Riddell: really? :D00:21
Riddell"Jaunty open for development"00:36
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex Released- http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-release | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | Merges!
seeleyet begins the next crazy 6 months00:38
edtanyone know anyway to fix a sig 11 in adept on 8.10 running on kvm-78 amd under 2.6.27 gentoo amd64?00:38
jdongdoes it happen natively?00:39
edtjdong only have it installed under kvm00:39
Riddelledt: doing something specific?00:40
jdongedt: well I'd first blame the virtualization setup for something like that, unless you can reproduce this segfault natively00:40
edtit does happen on kvm-75 and kvm-7700:40
jdongedt: but it could very well be an Adept bug regardless of virtualization setup :)00:40
edtjust starting adept - other apps seem to be working fine00:40
edtits only adept that gets a sig 11 so far00:41
Riddelledt: you'd need to get a backtrace00:43
Riddellor upload the crash file with apport00:43
edtI'll see if I cannot figure out apport00:44
JontheEchidnaRiddell: so do we want to merge kde packages with debian now?00:47
RiddellJontheEchidna: yes00:48
Riddellmaybe we should do a batcave style wiki page00:48
JontheEchidnasounds liek a good idea00:50
JontheEchidnahttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/JauntyKDEMerges will be where it goes00:51
RiddellJontheEchidna: sounds like you're volunteering :)00:51
JontheEchidnayes, I am :)00:52
JontheEchidnain progress as we speak00:52
RiddellJontheEchidna: start with pkg-kde-tools00:54
JontheEchidnawhat is that?00:55
RiddellJontheEchidna: includes kde.mk file00:56
Riddellwhich I put into cdbs as kde4.mk so we'll need to change that first00:56
Riddellhhhellooo00:57
JontheEchidnaOk, rough outline: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/JauntyKDEMerges00:59
JontheEchidnaI can't find a pkg-kde-tools package00:59
JontheEchidnamaybe I'm missing something00:59
jdong"(Version 2 is in maintenance mode, which is also read as obsolete in the KDE world :D)"01:01
jdonglol I feel mean for saying that01:01
* jdong karma-hugs kubuntu-devel01:01
jdonglove y'all :)01:01
JontheEchidna:)01:02
jdongin the case of KTorrent it's probably true and not just a lighthearted jab :)01:03
=== JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex Released- http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-release | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | Merges! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/JauntyKDEMerges
* rgreening yawns02:06
rgreeningnice page JontheEchidna02:08
rgreening:)02:08
JontheEchidnalook familiar? :P02:08
rgreeninghehe02:08
rgreeningJontheEchidna is there a link for the process to follow?02:10
JontheEchidnaum02:10
JontheEchidnajr did do a tutorial day on merges02:10
rgreeningcool.. that would be handy to have on that page02:10
JontheEchidnaoh nice, the 4.1.3 packages are hitting proposed02:13
JontheEchidna:D02:13
rgreeningwoo-hoo02:13
JontheEchidnaafter they build we need test test test!02:15
rgreeningJontheEchidna: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging02:16
JontheEchidnaholy crap, my first plasma crash in forever02:24
JontheEchidnawell, other than the corner cases I've reproduced for bug triaging ;-)02:24
rgreeningheh02:27
ScottKrgreening: Ping me when you need a review of your package.03:22
rgreeningScottK: np. I think we are going to be busy with merges for the next few days... so I may wait until after that03:30
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geniiIs there some tray applet for 5-a-day ?04:34
ScottKgenii: I'd ask in #ubuntu-bugs.04:34
geniiScottK: Ok, thanks04:35
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* NCommander works towards fixing KDE on lpia08:25
NCommanderis someone around who can upload?08:27
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=== hunger_t is now known as hunger
RiddellNCommander: did you fix it?10:12
Riddell"Estimated build start:10:24
Riddellin 21 hours"10:24
Riddellsigh10:24
larsivion the topic of translations, I tried to get a statement from the leader of the nn-team - he refuses, and is able to produce impressive amounts of venom over LP, Rosetta, their QA, and quality of translations coming from LP in general ...10:24
larsivirefuses because he has said so much on this in the past without anything happening10:25
larsivihe references these though:10:25
larsivihttp://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDERosettaCollaboration10:25
larsivihttp://charismacode.blogspot.com/2007/01/powers-and-repositories-ubuntu-and.html10:25
larsivihe mentions https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/44 which has been open since 200510:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [Medium,Fix released]10:26
HobbseeRiddell: what do you want promoted?10:26
RiddellHobbsee: kde4libs in intrepid-backports10:27
RiddellHobbsee: kdepimlibs in intrepid-backports10:27
Hobbseeall arches?10:27
RiddellHobbsee: i386 and amd64 only if that's possible10:27
larsiviand to end, this was apparently recently said on a KDE (translations?) mailinglist - "LP2 [Launchpad 2] over my dead body"10:27
HobbseeRiddell: pimlibs needs to wait until the other libs are built?10:28
Riddellkde-i18n-doc has had an anti-LP translations thread recently, there's not much can be said to counter it though10:28
RiddellHobbsee: yeah10:28
HobbseeRiddell: prodded kde4libs to start with10:28
Riddellthanks10:29
Hobbseeyou're welcome.10:29
Riddellhi danimo, more beasties?10:31
danimoRiddell: still the kopete crash10:33
danimoRiddell: QCA::isSupported ("tls") seems to crash here as qca tries to scan for its keystore10:34
danimoRiddell: the qca openssl plugin is installed10:34
danimoRiddell: any idea where to look for the keystore10:34
danimo?10:36
Riddelloff the top of my head, no idea10:36
RiddellI'm trying to get kopete to talk to google Talk but I don't know if it's working10:40
danimokopete is behaving stupidly anyway10:42
danimoit polls the screensaver dbus interface every second10:42
Riddellthat seems like a bad idea10:42
larsiviRiddell: I'm connected to google talk with kopete10:46
RiddellI didn't tick the "use ssl" box so it didn't connect, even if I later ticked it10:47
Riddellremoved my kopeterc and readded and now it connects ok10:47
danimoRiddell: interesting, qcs crashes while loading /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/crypto/libqca-cyrus-sasl.so10:49
* danimo wonders where that is from10:49
Riddelldanimo: that doesn't exist http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libqca-cyrus-sasl.so&mode=exactfilename&suite=intrepid&arch=any10:50
danimoreally odd10:50
Riddelldanimo: might you have it left over from a personal install?10:50
Tonio_hi there10:50
danimoRiddell: would surprise me but it reallycould have been an accident10:50
Riddelltry moving that file out the way10:50
Tonio_Riddell: I just initiated a collegue to dput, and he uploaded a package in ubuntu/hardy by error...10:51
Tonio_Riddell: can you drop that one please ?10:51
danimoRiddell: sure10:51
Tonio_Riddell: package name is ass-nat-desktop10:51
Tonio_hey danimo ! long time no see !10:51
danimoheya Tonio_!10:51
RiddellTonio_: did he sign it?10:51
danimoTonio_: how's life?10:51
RiddellTonio_: with a key that would be accepted10:51
Tonio_Riddell: the package is automatically signed, but the key is unknown to ubuntu10:52
Riddellit won't get accepted then10:52
Tonio_Riddell: I don't know if that'll be pending of will be rejected in fact :)10:52
Tonio_danimo: complicated ;) searching for an appartment, and no time available for search.... appart from that, everything's fine :)10:53
Tonio_danimo: currently working on a shutdown automatic dist-upgrade process since that something people using ubunbu in corp environement are expecting10:53
danimoTonio_: cool10:54
Tonio_Riddell: about that, I have put the code on my bzr, although most users don't care, that should be available in the repos since in corp environment, you don't want your users to perform the upgrade manually10:54
Tonio_Riddell: nothing to do with kubuntu, but still contributing on that point ;)10:54
Tonio_danimo: and what about you ?10:55
danimoTonio_: almost finished uni, looking for apartments, too10:55
danimoTonio_: starting at qt sw on 1.110:55
RiddellTonio_: commenting out /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades ?10:55
danimoRiddell: yes, seems to be my fault after all :)10:56
* Riddell has a room for rent :)10:56
danimoRiddell: works like a charm now10:56
danimoRiddell: in berlin? :)10:56
Riddelldanimo: yay10:56
danimoRiddell: still the polling annoys me, but there is little kubuntu can du10:56
danimodo10:58
danimoRiddell: oh, anther thing: why hasn't the default browser and mailer in kde3 been migrated to konq4/kontact4 or xdg-open?11:06
Tonio_Riddell: silent upgrades have a big problem....11:07
Tonio_Riddell: what if the user reboots in the meantime ? we had the issue :)11:07
Tonio_Riddell: that's why I forked it to run at shutdown and talk to usplash11:07
Tonio_Riddell: but basically it is a fork of it, yes :)11:07
Tonio_Riddell: I'm also working on a kubufox package that'll include oxygen theme and a few things to improve kde integration11:08
Tonio_Riddell: most of our users use firefox so that's something we should take care about11:08
Tonio_Riddell: and to conclude, I'll have the final response for the UDS this we....11:09
Tonio_Riddell: should be okay but not confirmed at the moment11:09
Tonio_danimo: hehe, I forgot it was renamed qt software :)11:09
danimoTonio_: it was11:11
Tonio_danimo: and the configuration is still trolltech.conf :)11:11
danimoTonio_: we can't break that just to please our new owners11:11
Tonio_danimo: true that ;)11:11
danimoTonio_: the domain is still trolltech.com, too btw11:11
Tonio_danimo: will we see you at the uds on december ?11:12
* danimo notes the kopete screensaver idle timer is to blame for the polling11:12
danimouds?11:12
danimono, unlikel11:12
danimoy11:12
Tonio_ubuntu developer summit11:12
Riddelldanimo: we didn't do any settings upgrade other than have KDE does, something we should look at for jaunty is seeing where the upgrade problems are and making sure they are handled11:13
danimoRiddell: isn't it a bit late at that point? that's something that  belongs into the beta program really11:14
danimopeople will try to upgrade and get their bloody nose now11:14
Riddelldanimo: there wasn't a prompted upgrade to 8.10, there will be for 9.04 so a good number will stay with 8.04 for another six months11:15
danimoRiddell: no, but people will do upgrades unless they are told not to11:15
danimonot all, but quite a lot11:15
Riddellyep, and there's actually not as many problems as I might have expected11:17
larsivi... I experience many more than I expected ;)11:18
larsivi*experienced11:18
Riddellwe should collect those..11:23
danimolol11:23
danimoerr, wrong window :)11:23
larsiviRiddell: I got a feeling a lot where due to old kde4 packages (kubuntu-kde4-desktop I think), since these held back the intrepid packages11:26
Riddellhuh?  the upgrader will ensure they aren't held back11:26
* jussi01 hates upgrades - a clean reinstall every 6 months is a good think11:27
larsiviRiddell: right, I got an issue after the reboot, so I probably missed the upgrader at that point - did the rest of the upgrades manually with apt-get11:28
larsiviah, one thing that doesn't work - calculator in krunner - really miss that from katapult12:36
danimolarsivi: =10*412:40
danimolarsivi: try that12:40
larsividanimo: right - it works - still a bit unhappy about the = :P12:41
larsiviand how could I have known?12:42
larsiviin katapult it was at least possible to discover the feature by accident :P12:43
apachelogger_I used KDE 2 years before I got told about that feature :P12:45
RiddellKDE 2 didn't need the "="12:55
rgreening~time13:00
kuboturgreening: America - St Johns - Wed Nov 05 09:30 NST13:00
* rgreening tries to wake up13:00
apachelogger_rgreening: did you do partying as well?13:00
* apachelogger_ thinks nixternal did party twittering yesterday :P13:01
rgreeninglol... no, but I stayed up to see the results.13:01
rgreeningIt was after 2AM before I got to bed13:01
rgreeningnot that I slept13:02
JontheEchidnathis is the first time in my life that the results have been announced on election day13:02
Riddellah JontheEchidna, all ready for your talk this evening?13:02
JontheEchidnayup yup13:02
apachelogger_what's it about anyway13:03
apachelogger_and where is the transcript? ;-)13:03
JontheEchidnatelling everybody how we rape malone13:03
apachelogger_ewww13:03
Riddellmight be a bad idea to use that exact phrasing13:03
JontheEchidna:P13:04
JontheEchidna.!!!~~~~>Bat Pasted at http://paste.ubuntu.com/67896/13:04
JontheEchidnatop sekrit13:04
rgreeninghmm... top secret on the logged channel... New to the spy game are we?13:06
rgreening:P13:07
JontheEchidnaas long as people don't notice it for 5 hours I'll be fine13:07
hungerrgreening: It's sekrit, not secret. That is different.13:07
rgreeningheheh13:07
rgreeningRiddell: so, when do we start merge/sync? for Jaunty?13:08
apachelogger_right now :P13:10
hungerapachelogger_: Jaunty archives are open already?13:10
JontheEchidnahunger: opened late last night13:10
Riddellthe question is do we merge to 4.1.3 then update to 4.2 alpha, or just go directly to 4.2 alpha13:10
* hunger needs to update sources.list.13:10
rgreeninguh-huh :)13:11
rgreeninglol13:11
Riddellhunger: not yet!13:11
hungerRiddell: Why not? I like to have a broken system:-)13:11
hungerGives me something to do:-)13:11
apachelogger_JontheEchidna: it's battraining not bat training13:11
apachelogger_however, maybe you meant bot training?13:11
JontheEchidnabat triage-ing13:12
apachelogger_Riddell: no fun for poor kubuntu devs ... when is the debian going to change it's packaging for 4.2?13:12
JontheEchidnato overcome bug reports, you must become a bug report13:12
apachelogger_JontheEchidna: that would still be battriaging13:13
apachelogger_unless you want to triage bats13:13
JontheEchidnalol13:13
apachelogger_which is very weird13:13
hungerapachelogger_: I guess bats are basically just a bigger kind of bugs.13:13
jussi01hrm, what does the kubuntu dvd have on it as opposed to the cd? can someone point me to a good resource?13:13
rgreeningapachelogger: bats == rats + wings13:14
hungerrgreening: rats is a security checking tool, but what is wings?13:14
apachelogger_jussi01: if we had translations it probably would contain more of them :P13:14
jussi01apachelogger_: hehe13:14
rgreeningmmm... wings with hot mustard sauce13:15
Riddelljussi01:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.intrepid/annotate/740?file_id=dvd-20080319180711-zowlg0wlo9qw6kkq-113:15
apachelogger_you are all very weird13:15
rgreeninglol13:15
* apachelogger_ is alone in the office13:15
jussi01apachelogger_: may I remind you how weird you are?13:15
hungerapachelogger: Isen't that a prerequisite to hang out in developer channels?13:16
apachelogger_oh, actually I am not, the cleaning lady is sneaking around13:16
jussi01Riddell: thanks13:16
apachelogger_makes me anxious pretty much13:16
apachelogger_hunger: probably13:16
* hunger had a cleaning gentleman sneak around vacuum cleaning, too.13:17
hungerVery tricky... towing a noisy vacuum cleaner while sneaking... nobody will hear the sneaking, even if you are doing it poorly.13:18
apachelogger_uh, didn't think of that... might actually be worse than no vacuum clean, then again the cleaning lady is pretty good at sneaking13:19
apachelogger_at times I think she is actually hovering instead of going13:20
hungerapachelogger: hovering or hoovering?13:21
apachelogger_hunger: hovering13:22
apachelogger_that said s/going/walking/g13:22
RiddellHobbsee: awake to big up kdepimlibs in -backports?13:54
danimoRiddell: I guess nobody uses his (k)ubuntu-installation with ipv6 assigned at boot?14:14
Riddelldanimo: not that I know of14:17
ScottKDoes anyone use IPv6?14:17
* danimo does, for his student dorm provides it14:19
danimoRiddell: trouble is: network manager things I have an IP already and won't provide me with an ipv4 one14:20
danimoRiddell: at least that's what I suspect. looking for ways to trace it down now14:20
danimoScottK: any idea how I can trace down network manager states?14:38
ScottKnot /me14:39
Riddelldanimo: asac would probably be your best chance to ask14:41
Riddell-- MARK --14:41
danimoRiddell: ok :)14:45
JontheEchidnaCould anybody look at bug 294165?14:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 294165 in phonon "phonon 4.2.0: new changes from Debian require merging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29416514:47
nixternalRiddell: nah, I was one of the people running to the bathroom when they let us in14:49
Riddellnixternal: there I was looking out for you with your Kubuntu banner14:50
nixternalhehe, no banners allowed14:50
nixternalI was wearing my Creative Commons T-Shirt14:50
nixternaldon't have any Kubuntu swag yet :/14:50
RiddellJontheEchidna: for phonon merge, you kept changes to copyright that don't seem to need keeping15:11
RiddellJontheEchidna: the .orig has a different md5sum15:11
Riddellwhich I guess should be in the changelog15:13
jussi01wow, Ive actually got into this bug reporting thing... am a lot less slack nowadays...15:16
RiddellJontheEchidna: oh wait, I'm reading the diff wrong, the copyright file is consistent with debian15:16
jussi01Riddell: do you have any idea if koffice is planning to support opening and saving to MS Office formats?15:17
rgreeningRiddell: how much of the changelog to we merge? Just the relevant changes noted? like new release etc? I assume we done go back to say 4.1.1 or earlier if there are differences in the log15:21
Riddelljussi01: they have done for half a decade15:21
Riddellrgreening: all of it15:21
rgreeningoh... so whats the easy way to merge15:22
rgreening:)15:22
jussi01Riddell: really? is there something else I need to be installing?15:22
smarterrgreening: diff, patch, and a bit of hand editing maybe15:22
rgreeningouch15:22
Riddellselect and copy old changelog, look for the last debian version it was merged against, in the new changelog look for that version, paste in our changelog, remove debian one from there to bottom15:23
* smarter wonders if merging would be easier using merge feature of a VCS15:23
Riddelljussi01: shouldn't be15:23
RiddellJontheEchidna: uploaded!15:23
nixternalok, lets not just start uploading to increase upload count on that upload web site...lets upload stuff that isn't going to break the world...we have been good with this in the past and lets continue with this15:24
Riddellnixternal: ?15:24
nixternalRiddell: that is my pre-next-release speach I give every time :)15:25
nixternalto bad the Ubuntu side doesn't listen...they upload everything, including the kitchen sink...which typically breaks stuff for me15:26
Riddelland who got the most uploads in intrepid?15:27
smarterRiddell: you I think :)15:28
JontheEchidnaRiddell: you did15:28
JontheEchidnalike 600 something15:28
RiddellI so rock!15:28
smarter:P15:28
JontheEchidnaokies, now to send the diff to debian15:29
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RiddellJontheEchidna: uh oh, failed to build15:41
JontheEchidnaD:15:42
JontheEchidnastrange15:42
RiddellJontheEchidna: you changed it to use kde4.mk and that needs kdesdk-scripts15:43
JontheEchidnao, ic15:43
* JontheEchidna prepares a fix15:44
* smarter wonders if he should quotes what nixternal said 10 minutes ago about not uploading stuff that doesn't work :P15:45
RiddellI'm sure I remember him saying "yes we can"15:48
nixternalsmarter: I haven't uploaded a broken package yet \o/15:48
nixternalsince 2005 at that, 3 years of goodness!15:48
nixternalthen again, I had crimsun and Riddell beating me up to get it right15:48
JontheEchidnaRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/67955/15:48
smarterJontheEchidna: typo15:49
smarterstop rushing things :P15:49
JontheEchidnanano doesn't have spellcheck! :P15:50
smarterit has15:50
smarterLAME EXCUSE FAIL! :P15:50
smarteruse ^T (assuming it's properly configured)15:50
JontheEchidnaRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/67956/15:50
JontheEchidnasmarter: error invoking "spell"15:51
Riddelluse a real text editor :)15:51
smarteraptitude install spell I guess15:51
smarterhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=spell&mode=exactfilename&suite=intrepid&arch=any15:51
* smarter wonders why there is no ChanServ on #kubuntu-devel15:52
smarteroh, seems to be the same for every ubuntu related channel, so ignore that :)15:53
jussi01smarter: because no one has set it to be in here...15:55
bddebiannixternal: So did you have any luck? :)16:05
RiddellJontheEchidna: uploaded16:06
nixternalbddebian: what kind of luck?16:09
bddebiannixternal: With the girls? :)16:10
nixternallast night?16:10
nixternalI don't do well with liberal girls...the last one I had I divorced :P16:11
blueyedImporting setting from 1.4 in amarok-kde4 (1.94) fails: "Error: Could not open Amarok 1.4 database: Driver not loaded Driver not loaded"16:22
JontheEchidnaRiddell: automoc seems to not require a merge16:22
RiddellJontheEchidna: anything to sync?16:22
JontheEchidnaexactly the same version number16:23
RiddellJontheEchidna: groovy, mark it as "up to date" or something in the wiki16:24
JontheEchidnajcastro: where do I need to be for my talk in an hour and a half?16:25
RiddellJontheEchidna: it's in London, didn't you know?16:25
JontheEchidna:P16:26
Riddellbest get on a boat quick16:26
jcastroJontheEchidna: ubuntu-classroom and ubuntu-classroom-chat16:26
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JontheEchidnasoprano has a greater version than debian16:32
Riddellwin for us16:33
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JontheEchidnaI seem to remember that soprano released a quiet bugfix release along with KDE 4.1.116:34
Oxyhydrogensweet chicken salad16:35
Oxyhydrogenstdin: bug 290589 is going to clash with 4.1.316:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 290589 in kde4libs "Long dbus command displayed on dialog when trying to mount hard drive via dolphin" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29058916:35
Oxyhydrogenbig time16:35
JontheEchidnahmm16:38
stdincan't the patch just be applied to 4.1.3?16:38
JontheEchidnacurrent experimental packages are at 4.1.3, do we base our merges off of intrepid-updates?16:38
JontheEchidnaor do we update to 4.1.3 for jaunty then merge?16:39
OxyhydrogenRiddell: IMHO we should connect merging and upgrading to 4.216:40
Oxyhydrogenstdin: if I didn't upload, yes, now that is going to be funnies16:40
* Oxyhydrogen is headached16:41
RiddellOxyhydrogen: it seems more risky to me, harder to notice the details amongst a larger diff16:44
OxyhydrogenRiddell: filterdiff it16:44
Oxyhydrogenanyway16:45
OxyhydrogenJontheEchidna: merge is always based upon the last version published to development16:45
Oxyhydrogeni.e. 4.1.216:45
jcastroJontheEchidna: a little bit over an hour until your session, need anything?16:52
Riddelljcastro: give him a shoulder rub16:52
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JontheEchidnahmm, don't think I need anything16:52
jcastrok16:52
Riddell-- MARK --16:54
Riddelltwo hours 15 minutes for a qt 4 compile16:54
seeledoes the ubuntu live cd have gparted on it?17:00
Riddellseele: yes17:01
OxyhydrogenRiddell: that sounds pretty slow, IIRC soyuz needs 1.5h for qt-copy17:04
RiddellOxyhydrogen: "Add mysql-server-5.0 as build dependency"  do you mind why that's needed for akonadi?17:05
OxyhydrogenRiddell: akonadi doesn't build with mysql support otherwise IIRC17:06
* Oxyhydrogen should have been more verbose in the changelog entry17:06
Riddelldoes akonadi do anything without mysql support?17:07
Oxyhydrogenno17:07
OxyhydrogenRiddell: I think we could technically also patch the cmakelists, if I am not compeltely mistaken that dep is only necessary because akonadi 1.0 does check for mysqld since it is a runtime dependency17:07
seeleRiddell: ok thanks17:08
Riddellblueyed: try asking Nightrose17:10
* Nightrose popups17:11
Nightrose;-)17:11
Nightroseblueyed: wasup?17:11
Riddell16:22 < blueyed> Importing setting from 1.4 in amarok-kde4 (1.94) fails: "Error: Could not open Amarok 1.4 database: Driver not loaded Driver not loaded"17:11
blueyedRiddell, Nightrose: installing libqt4-sql-sqlite fixed it, but then it crashes for me.. see http://dot.kde.org/1225822965/1225834281/1225836161/1225839997/#122590558117:12
* Nightrose looks17:12
Nightroseblueyed: thx - I will let sebr know and get back to you17:13
Nightrosemight take some time as he is likely in bed right now17:14
seeleew, kubuntu isn't shutting down properly after that last update17:14
seelehanging on acpid17:14
rgreeningkdetoys done Riddell: bug 29421417:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 294214 in kdetoys "kdetoys 4.1.2: new changes from Debian require merging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29421417:24
rgreening\o/ first merge17:24
rgreening^ Not sure I got it all correct... I think not... so review please17:28
Riddellrgreening: the changelog should list all the changes we have from debian17:29
Riddellyou've listed the change from current intrepid which isn't very interesting17:30
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Riddellrgreening: also note that the .orig has a different md517:30
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rgreeningok. I got the md5, what's the intepid comment? should it be jaunty?17:31
rgreeningRiddell: ^17:31
Riddellrgreening: well you've said "minor change to kteatime.install" which is a change in debian you've merged in17:32
Riddellbut we want listed all the changes we have compared to debian17:33
rgreeningright... and17:33
rgreeningoh17:33
Riddellso there's different build-deps17:33
Riddelland all those replaces/conflicts17:33
rgreeningok.17:33
Riddelland our own kde4.mk17:33
JontheEchidnathe build deps are just ordered differently I think17:33
rgreeningk. redoc all the ubu changes too17:33
Riddellexactly17:34
* rgreening goes back to hole in ground and digs up some new diffs17:34
JontheEchidna~facts about sand17:34
kubotu[2/13] rgreening buries head in sand17:34
Riddellthe build-deps are extra, they probably aren't needed though17:34
rgreeninglol17:34
rgreeningexactly17:34
rgreeningk17:34
Riddellrgreening: can you build it in a pbuilder without those extra build-deps?17:34
rgreeningwill try17:34
Riddellthanks17:35
rgreeningnp17:35
* rgreening is l3rnd!ng17:35
RiddellOxyhydrogen: fancy eyeing this over?  http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/tmp/akonadi_1.0.0-2ubuntu1.debdiff17:42
RiddellJontheEchidna: where did you send the phonon diff for debian?17:42
JontheEchidnaRiddell: debian-qt-kde mailing list17:42
RiddellJontheEchidna: pkg-kde-talk@lists. alioth.debian.org is better, that's where the developers hang out17:43
OxyhydrogenRiddell: looking good17:48
RiddellOxyhydrogen: you too honey :)17:48
JontheEchidnaRiddell: is series supposed to be intrepid?17:49
RiddellJontheEchidna: hah, well spotted17:49
* JontheEchidna has made that mistake too much17:49
* Oxyhydrogen has a script for that :P17:49
* Oxyhydrogen declares sensible accesibility his personal objective for jaunty17:50
rgreeningRiddell: should I change intrpid to jaunty in the changelog?17:50
Riddellrgreening: yep17:51
Riddellediting /usr/bin/dch probably a good idea17:51
jdongwalking in on ^^ that is a bit bizarre :D17:52
rgreeningok.17:52
Oxyhydrogenhm17:53
Oxyhydrogenjdong: how so? :P17:53
Riddell** Ubuntu Open Week talk "Kubuntu - reinventing QA the resource-limited way" with elite Kubuntu developer JontheEchidna in a few minutes in #ubuntu-classroom17:53
jdongOxyhydrogen: Having a core-dev suggest "editing /usr/bin/dch" being a good idea :D17:53
jdongout of context it is quite bizarre17:54
Oxyhydrogenoh, I see :D17:54
* Oxyhydrogen sneaks over to classroom17:54
* JontheEchidna runs to Mexico17:54
Nightrosegood luck JontheEchidna :)17:57
Nightroserock them17:57
JontheEchidna:)17:57
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Riddellandrunko: 18:08 < pusling> Riddell: adding mysql server as build-dependency with the current debian/rules file should not make a difference - and insteaf of patching the cmakelists, why not just change what's defined in debian/rules about path to mysql ?18:09
Riddelloh, no apachelogger18:09
Riddellignore me andrunko18:09
RiddellOxyhydrogen: ^^18:09
seeleanyone have problems installing virtualbox in intrepid?18:13
seeleor an upgrade to intrepid but using an older kernel18:13
Riddellseele: there was a problem with it needing the correct answers to the debconf prompts before it would compile the linux module I seem to remember18:14
seelehmm.. i'm getting a missing sources error in /var/log/vbox-install.log when i run vboxdrv manually18:15
seelethe auto install failed (because of that i assume)18:15
Riddellseele: mvo might be a good person to ask18:16
seeleRiddell: i've got someone helping me in #kubuntu but theyre just as confused18:18
rgreeningRiddell: bug 294214 - updated the diffs. can you have a peek?18:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 294214 in kdetoys "kdetoys 4.1.2: new changes from Debian require merging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29421418:29
OxyhydrogenRiddell: please drop the kubuntu_01 patch from akonadi and change debian/rules to DEB_CMAKE_EXTRA_FLAGS += -DMYSQLD_EXECUTABLE=/usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi18:39
OxyhydrogenRiddell: we still need to depend on mysql-server because of the hardlinking though18:40
* Nightrose hands JontheEchidna a cookie19:01
Nightrosewell done :)19:01
NightroseJontheEchidna++19:01
JontheEchidnayum ^_^19:02
JontheEchidnaRiddell: bug 294322 ready for review19:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 294322 in kdeadmin "kdeadmin 4.1.2: new changes from Debian require merging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29432219:46
Riddellrgreening: you kept in the extra build-depends?19:53
rgreeningI didn't think so19:53
Riddellrgreening: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19395135/merged-to-debian.debdiff has them19:54
Riddellfrom https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdetoys/+bug/294214/comments/619:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 294214 in kdetoys "kdetoys 4.1.2: new changes from Debian require merging" [Undecided,New]19:54
rgreeningRiddell: ah. I see that now. I keep getting confused reading the '-' and '+' and who has what. I'll try a rebuild without again.. my bad.19:56
rgreeningRiddell: just trying to finish up kdesdk19:56
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* ScottK makes a general observation that we are over 5 months from Jaunty's release. At this phase of the development cycle there is absolutely NO rush to get anything done. Being careful is far more important than getting stuff finished by any particular time.20:21
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Tm_TScottK: are we there yet?20:22
rgreeninglol20:22
* rgreening still wrapping my head around things20:22
ScottKNo bathroom breaks for Tm_T.20:22
Tm_T):20:22
rgreeningsomeone may need to slap me around a bit20:22
* Tm_T slaps rgreening around a bit20:23
rgreeningty I needed that20:23
* ScottK slaps rgreening about with a dead fish so he'll have a nice smell to keep him focused. 20:23
ScottKOh, wait.20:23
Tm_TScottK: slapping rgreening is violating animal rights20:24
* ScottK remembers where rgreening lives and wonders if he'd notice.20:24
* rgreening groans in protestation20:26
rgreeningyou know what they say "smells like fish... "20:26
rgreeningScottK: can you review this upload? bug 29428620:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 294286 in kdesdk "kdesdk 4.1.2: new changes from Debian require merging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29428620:28
* ScottK looks.20:28
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JontheEchidnain kdeartwork's kubuntu-debian-differences it says this:20:29
JontheEchidnaseparate out files (slow)20:29
rgreeningty ScottK. Let's hope it's better than what I did for kdetoys (my first stab)20:29
JontheEchidnaRiddell: do you know what "-separate out files (slow)" in k-d-differences means?20:29
ScottKrgreening: I think you have every debdiff in there except the one I need.  I need the one that if I grab the Debian package and apply it it's what you want uploaded.  In your terms I think it'd be debian to merged.20:31
rgreeningScottK: blame JontheEchidna. He told me the 3 debdiff to do.20:32
* rgreening ducks and hides20:32
JontheEchidna>.>20:32
* JontheEchidna is new at merges too20:32
ScottKIt's really only that one that's needed.20:32
rgreeningso ScottK, what should it be?20:33
ScottKDebian to Merged.20:33
rgreeningah reverse of the last one20:33
rgreeningpatch --reverse20:33
ScottKrgreening: To sponsor your merge, my workflow is to grab Debian's package, apply your diff, check it, upload it.20:33
rgreeningkk.20:33
rgreening1 sec I uploads it20:33
rgreeningScottK: uploaded }:>20:36
rgreeninghaha20:36
* rgreening needs a drink20:38
rgreening~order drink20:38
* kubotu slides drink down the bar to rgreening20:38
rgreeninghey ScottK, did you find it :)20:39
* ScottK is back.20:49
ryanakcawhat would be the next smallest need-to-merge?20:53
ScottKrgreening: Is the debian/changelog from Debian really missing so much history?20:54
NCommanderScottK, can you help me figure out something w.r.t to dependencies on lpia?20:55
ScottKNCommander: I can try.20:55
NCommanderScottK, kde4bindings is not building because libplasma-dev can't install kdebase-workspace-data20:55
NCommanderBut if you manually install it by hand, it works20:55
ScottKNCommander: It's a circular build dep is the problem.20:55
NCommanderhow can we resolve?20:56
ScottKNot trivially.  It's on the list for 4.2 packaging.20:56
ScottKrgreening: It was you who did the Python Plasma stuff, right?20:56
NCommanderScottK, if I manually install kdebase-workspace-data, it works fine20:57
rgreeningScottK: yeah..20:57
* rgreening cowers20:57
ScottKSo what's the solution rgreening?20:57
rgreening4.220:57
rgreeningI spoke with Sime on it. It's resolved in 4.2 by moving libplasma to kdelibs20:58
rgreeningso when we package 4.2 it'll work correctly.20:58
rgreeningfor 4.1.... unsure...20:58
rgreeningwe could remove the patch temporarily20:59
rgreeningScottK: re: the debian changelo... yeah, looks like the previous merges were incomplete I guess.20:59
ScottKrgreening: OK.  There's an entry in there that says 'fakesync'.  Make sure there aren't any Ubuntu changelog entries left before that.21:00
rgreeningScottK: I did what Riddell suggessted. Go back to the last merge and add in the previous changelog entires from debian to ours.21:00
ScottKOK.21:00
rgreeningoh.21:00
ScottKYes.  I think that's good.21:00
rgreeningScottK: I did the opposite21:01
rgreeningI merged the debian into ours rather then the reverse....21:01
rgreeningSo, I need to redo the changelog.21:01
rgreeningScottK: ^21:01
rgreeningcrud21:01
ScottKrgreening: OK.  Everything prior to 'fakesync' should be pure Debian.21:02
rgreeningso, I'll redo it? yes?21:02
rgreeningScottK: ^21:02
ScottKOK21:03
rgreeningScottK: cool. I have to drop out for a while. I'll work on fixing that and kdetoys. I'll ping you later. Was everything else ok?21:03
ScottKrgreening: Still looking.  Your debian/changelog entry should say you restored missing debian/changelog entries.21:04
rgreeningScottK: k. will add that in21:04
* JontheEchidna makes note of the above^21:04
ScottKrgreening: Just looking quickly I think I see other undocumented changes.  Please go through the debdiff and make sure you explain the full difference.21:05
ScottKin debian/changelog21:05
rgreeningScottK: thanks for the help. It's nice to have good sponsors who are helpful to us new folk :)21:05
rgreeningk21:05
ScottKrgreening: Less work for me ...21:05
rgreeningnp.21:05
rgreeningok. off for a bit. cheerio21:05
RiddellJontheEchidna: the .desktop files for xscreensavers in kdeartwork packages have to match the ones from the respective xscreensaver package21:07
Riddelland ubuntu xscreensaver packages are layed out differently from debian21:07
Riddellso files need shifted around21:07
JontheEchidnaah, so that's why there's so much difference there21:07
Riddellit's probably ok to just copy over what's in the existing kubuntu package but do check the xscreensaver packages changelogs for changes21:08
RiddellJontheEchidna: kdeadmin uploaded21:15
Riddell4.1.3 seems all compiled, anyone tested it?21:15
* JontheEchidna has had the debs installed all week21:15
Riddelltested from the PPA21:15
Riddellgroovy, 4.1.3 working well21:25
RiddellI'll copy over to backports21:25
RiddellHobbsee: please big up kdepimlibs in backports when you wake up21:42
Riddellit still hasn't compiled21:42
ScottKJontheEchidna: "Bump Standards-Version to 3.8.0" <--- Please don't do.  Ubuntu Policy says specifically not to do that one.21:58
JontheEchidnadon't document standards change differences?21:58
ScottKNo.  Don't change it.21:58
JontheEchidnaoh21:59
JontheEchidnabug 29438822:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 294388 in kdeartwork "kdeartwork 4.1.2: new changes from debian require merging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29438822:02
jtechidnaScottK: all of our kde packages were changed to standards-version 3.8.0 throughout the 4.1.x cycle. should I change this back to match debian in these merges?22:24
ScottKHmmmm.22:24
* ScottK guesses not.22:24
Riddellit makes no difference to the package22:30
Riddelland keeping the delta small is good22:31
ScottKRiddell: You're call.  I'd say drop the diff, but that's just me.22:34
ScottKRiddell: Would you be up for a little off hours archive admin'ing?22:34
ScottKRiddell: If so, would you please look at intrepid-backports.   I've got most of the distrorelease specific dev tools queued up there.22:36
ScottKIs 4.1.3 all queued up in intrepid-backports now?22:38
RiddellScottK: I wouldn't change it myself22:40
RiddellScottK: 4.1.3 is in backports, except kdepimlibs which still havn't compiled22:41
ScottKRiddell: OK.  I'll wait then.22:41
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ScottKRiddell: Wouldnt' change it to 3.8 or wouldn't change it back to what Debian has?22:41
RiddellScottK: I wouldn't change it, I'd keep the diff minimal and change it back, I also don't mind if people do change it but I see no advantage22:43
ScottKRiddell: Thanks.  Makes sense.22:44
RiddellScottK: I don't see anything in intrepid-backports unapproved22:45
ScottKRiddell: It's not source backports.  The regular kind.22:45
RiddellScottK: ubuntu-archive bugs?22:47
ScottKRiddell: Yes.22:47
jdongRiddell: speaking of backports, I've got a firefox/xulrunner pair in gutsy-backports source needs-approval, no hurry :)22:47
jtechidnaOne line in debian's changelog has 1 char trailing whitespace that ours doesn't have. Is it worth it to bring it to debian's attention?22:48
jtechidnaor should we just add the whitespace ourselves22:48
ScottKjtechidna: Just match what they have.22:48
jtechidnak22:48
Riddelljdong: accepted22:53
RiddellScottK: backports waiting on syncs22:59
ScottKRiddell: Thanks.23:00
* ScottK assumes that means you've done your bit.23:00
Riddellyes, needs flush command to run but can't since slangasek is doing debian syncs23:00
RiddellScottK: how about backporting cmake?23:01
ScottKSounds a little scary.23:01
Riddellwouldn't think so23:01
ScottKOK.  I need to run kids to ballet lessons.  Let me look at it a bit later.23:02
jdongRiddell: awesomeness, thanks :)23:02
jtechidnaRiddell: bug 29442923:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 294429 in kdeaccessibility "kdeaccessibility 4.1.2: New changes from Debian require merge" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29442923:18
vorianwhy the hate on all these rejected packages?23:29
Riddellvorian: hmm?23:30
vorianRiddell: kdepim kdetoys kdebase-workspace kdebase kdegames all rejected23:31
Riddellvorian: it'll be the backports that we did via the PPA23:32
Riddellvorian: where do you see that?23:32
voriani had it via email23:32
vorianfrom archive@ubuntu.com23:33

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