[00:00] <aaroncampbell> uh oh, I was looking through widgets to try to see if it was there, and now my KDE button is gone :|
[00:00] <jussi01> Mojo_risin: which version are you in?
[00:00] <Mojo_risin> jussio1: gutsy
[00:01] <jussi01> Mojo_risin: ahh, old one
[00:01] <Mojo_risin> well... :)
[00:01] <aaroncampbell> JontheEchidna: that's a bummer.  I used it a LOT, and I don't see any kind of replacement either
[00:01] <Mojo_risin> but it's KDE 3 yes
[00:01] <jussi01> Mojo_risin: not sure if it has this, but try in terminal: asoundconf list
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> aaroncampbell: you can drag icons to the panel, but they're sorta big imo
[00:02] <jussi01> Mojo_risin: then: asoundconf set-default-card <cardname>
[00:02] <Mojo_risin> jussio1: let me try
[00:02] <aaroncampbell> JontheEchidna: Drag to the panel from where?
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> aaroncampbell: the menu
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> application launcher thingy
[00:03] <aaroncampbell> JontheEchidna: doesn't work for me
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> doesn't work?
[00:04]  * JontheEchidna finds it's easier to land the drop if you drag the icon to the very top of the panel
[00:04]  * genii hands jussi01 a coffee
[00:04] <Mojo_risin> jussio1: didn't work :(
[00:05] <jussi01> Mojo_risin: what does it say?
[00:05] <Mojo_risin> nothing..
[00:05] <Mojo_risin> no error but no sound also
[00:05] <Mojo_risin> just PC sound
[00:05] <jussi01> Mojo_risin: you need to restart the app after that
[00:07] <Mojo_risin> jussio1: now it crashes
[00:07] <Mojo_risin> tried with kaffeine and amarok
[00:07] <jussi01> ouch
[00:07] <jussi01> Mojo_risin: Im not sure - gutsy is old and I cant remember how it works
[00:08] <Mixed_--_> anybody knows where the "network-script" folder is located in ubuntu or what is its equivalent??
[00:08] <Mojo_risin> jussio1: ok, thanks anyway :)
[00:09] <stdin> Mixed_--_: /etc/network/ probably
[00:10] <Mixed_--_> stdin, how would I configure a static NIC??
[00:10] <dwidmann> I've got a SATA DVD drive, how can I set the speed manually (it's going at full pace ... I'd like to slow it down. Seems like hdparm won't work)
[00:11] <TimmyMac> Hey, gang...I'm having a weird display issue.  I'm not even sure where to start poking around.
[00:11] <TimmyMac> Screenshots here: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3098760.msg154013#msg154013
[00:11] <stdin> Mixed_--_: see 'man interfaces' or use KNetowrkManager
[00:12] <Mixed_--_> stdin: thanks for pointing me at the right direction
[00:13] <dwidmann> TimmyMac: hmm, on an off chance, try disabling usplash and restarting
[00:14] <stdin> Mixed_--_: KNetworkManager is the easiest way, 'man interfaces' has an example you can basically just steal. I'd try KNetworkManager first
[00:14] <red22> kde freezes about 5 seconds after logging in... i see the desktop and then it just freezes and then nothing responds to mouse clicks... (i ctl-alt-bckspace then log into gnome, which is working as usual).  how can i get kde working again please?
[00:14] <Guest37963> Hi im having issues setting up my monitors resalution,my monitors defualt is 1440x900 yet when kubuntu runs in this mode it casues me to loose the left/right parts of my screen making my kde menu dissapeer. when running in lower resolutions my graphics are not as good
[00:14] <TimmyMac> dwidmann:  I can try that.  Of course, it's not doing it now.  Only happens sometimes.
[00:17] <red22> kde is freezing after logging in.. how can i try to find what program is causing this?  help pls.  tired of reading online docs but couldn't figure out what's wrong..
[00:18] <sd32> my startup sound quits 2 seconds into playing, is there any way to fix this?
[00:18] <Guest37963> Hi im having issues setting up my monitors resalution,my monitors defualt is 1440x900 yet when kubuntu runs in this mode it casues me to loose the left/right parts of my screen making my kde menu dissapeer. when running in lower resolutions my graphics are not as good
[00:19] <uten> hey
[00:20] <uten> anyone in here install kde 4.2 from trunk?
[00:20] <tacosarecool> I use kde 4.1.2
[00:20] <tacosarecool> I think
[00:20] <uten> tacosarecool:  4.1.2 comes with kubuntu 8.10 but i want to install 4.2 from trunk
[00:21] <uten> I followed http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4
[00:21] <uten> but I am having problems
[00:21] <tacosarecool>  Trunk is frozen for feature commits that are not listed in the  planned feature document. Only bugfixes and the code implementing the listed features are to be committed. The feature list also closes today. Features not already finished or listed on the planned features page will have to wait until KDE 4.3.
[00:22] <tacosarecool> http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Release_Schedule
[00:24] <Mixed_--_> stdin:  thank you for your help, i figured out, im not using the GUI
[00:24] <vasilisa> How do I save 1024 x 768 resolution? Every time i relog it hops back into a higher resolution until i click "display" again. My eyes ar ekilling me from that high rez
[00:25] <Guest37963> Hi im having issues setting up my monitors resalution,my monitors defualt is 1440x900 yet when kubuntu runs in this mode it casues me to loose the left/right parts of my screen making my kde menu dissapeer. when running in lower resolutions my graphics are not as good
[00:25] <sd32> !repeat
[00:25] <Guest37963> ^^would i still have this problem if i swithced to another distro?
[00:25] <vasilisa> I wish everything was smaller instead of relying on this high resolution. Not everyone has good eyes
[00:26] <vasilisa> mine burn when i look at high res screens, even flat panels
[00:26] <Guest37963> vasilisa: i know what  you mean im having res issues too,excpet mine are a bit different. im forced to use a res that makes everything wicked blurry :P
[00:27] <vasilisa> Guest37963: In the display menu it has some stupid "auto" setting that it forces.
[00:27] <vasilisa> its not in xorg. i dunno where they hid it
[00:29] <Guest37963> i have 3 computers running off the smae internet,is ther some way to regualte how much bandwidth they use?
[00:29] <genii> Guest37963: Pretty much any hardware you have difficulty with in one version of linux you will have difficulty in any other version. Some more commercial versions like Xandros have marginally better support but thats about it.
[00:31] <vasilisa> i cant stand anything above 1024x768...
[00:31] <vasilisa> ugh
[00:31] <[buRn]> adept is now working in read-only mode, how to restore adept to func propertly?
[00:31] <scribbles> I setup apache2 to use port 8080 as 80 is blocked by comcast. Locahost:8080 shows the default It Works! page but my external ip:8080 doesn't work. I portforwarded my router to this machine and even turned off my firewall to see and it still doesn't work? Nmap is showing that 8080 is open for http-proxy. I plan on using DynDNS but that :8080 doesn't work and neither does my external ip:8080.
[00:32] <[buRn]> adept is now working in read-only mode, how to restore adept to func propertly?
[00:36] <edt> anyone else geting sig 11 with adept in 8.10
[00:37] <[buRn]> adept is now working in read-only mode, how to restore adept to func propertly?
[00:40] <kuadhual> hi all.....
[00:40] <kuadhual> can anybody help me with keyboard ma[[ing
[00:40] <kuadhual> mapping
[00:41] <cuznt> !keyboard mapping
[00:41] <cuznt> !mapping
[00:41] <cuznt> !keyboard
[00:41] <nejode> scribbles: dis you forward port 80 to 8080 in the router?
[00:41] <kuadhual> some how if i press F12 it acted like if I right click, and a pop up menu appear
[00:41] <[buRn]> adept is now working in read-only mode, how to restore adept to func propertly?
[00:42] <woody86> can I use network-manager in Kubuntu? if I can, what would I need to disable/get rid of in Kubuntu?
[00:42] <kuadhual> I'll try that first
[00:42] <supert0nes> [buRn]: is another form of adept or apt still running? or maybe synaptic?
[00:43] <[buRn]> no, i restart the linux, and show the same message
[00:43] <[buRn]> Could not obtain a write lock on the cache, falling back to read-only mode. You won't be able to install, remove or upgrade packages. However, you can still search in the package database and browse packages.
[00:43] <[buRn]> It appears that another process is running, which holds the write lock on the database. You first need to close that program and then restart Adept to gain write access.
[00:43] <cuznt> buRn open a terminal and try "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[00:44] <nejode> !apt fix
[00:44] <[buRn]> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[00:44] <cuznt> yes
[00:44] <cuznt> try that
[00:45] <cuznt> on a terminal
[00:45] <[buRn]> yup
[00:45] <nejode> !apt-get
[00:45] <[buRn]> copyed wrong output :D
[00:45] <[buRn]> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[00:45] <cuznt> !apt unlock
[00:45] <supert0nes> i always forget that command
[00:46] <genii> !aptfix
[00:46] <nejode> buRn: sudo apt-get -f install
[00:46] <nejode> !apt-get fix
[00:46] <xzased> Hi. Im trying to setup a bluetooth usb adapter. Its a cirago BTA-3210. I connect it and nothing happens... I start kbluetooth but all the config options are greyed out
[00:47] <[buRn]> i installed new im client and after that apt crashes
[00:47] <[buRn]>  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[00:47] <nejode> !locked apt-get
[00:47] <favro> !aptfix
[00:48] <nejode> ..that's the one
[00:48] <favro> hehe
[00:48] <[buRn]> Try `readlink --help' for more information.
[00:48] <kuadhual> cuznt: nope, that had no effect, whit keyboard layout turn on or of, my F12 still act like a right click
[00:48] <[buRn]> ^Cdpkg: error processing mercury-messenger (--configure):
[00:48] <[buRn]>  subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Interrupt)
[00:48] <[buRn]> Errors were encountered while processing:
[00:48] <[buRn]>  mercury-messenger
[00:48] <kuadhual> and there is no option for function keys
[00:49] <[buRn]> Try `readlink --help' for more information.
[00:49] <[buRn]> ^Cdpkg: error processing mercury-messenger (--configure):
[00:49] <[buRn]>  subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Interrupt)
[00:49] <vegas_> hola gente
[00:49] <[buRn]> Errors were encountered while processing:
[00:49] <[buRn]>  mercury-messenger
[00:49] <vegas_> alguien habla spanishhh
[00:49] <scribbles> nejode: no. how do I do that?
[00:50] <kuadhual> where is the configuration file for keyboard keys?
[00:50] <cuznt> !sp
[00:50] <cuznt> !sn
[00:51] <[buRn]> i find it out, i use sudo apt-ger remove mercury-messenger
[00:51] <nejode> scribbles: in your router you have to redirect your external port 80 to your internal port 8080
[00:54] <DrrtEgrrT> does anyone know how to deal with the mtss corefont error in 8.10
[00:56] <DrrtEgrrT> Ive loaded the kubuntu desktop hoping that would do it.............
[00:56] <DrrtEgrrT> no love
[00:56] <scribbles> nejode: but even if I do my ip:8080 it doesn't work
[00:56] <scribbles> nejode: why would it need to be forwarded for 80 if its requesting that port directly
[00:58] <genii> scribbles: Have you tried just some arbitrary port? 8080 is also a well-known one they may be blocking
[00:58] <nejode> scribbles: so you're writing http://domain.name:8080??
[00:58] <scribbles> nejode: yes
[01:00] <nejode> scribbles: try what genii says, my  (lousy) ISP blocks all ports from 1024 down
[01:00] <nejode> ...but al least you can disble that trough their web page
[01:02] <xzased> Hi. Im trying to setup a bluetooth usb adapter. Its a cirago BTA-3210. I connect it and nothing happens... I start kbluetooth but all the config options are greyed out
[01:05] <nejode> xzased: check if your system "sees" it> try lsusb in konsole
[01:05] <xzased> nejode: yes, it sees it
[01:06] <xzased> it says: ...usb dongle (HCI mode)
[01:07] <nejode> xzased: but no branding or manufacturer ID?
[01:08] <xzased> nejode: yes, it shows the branding, the whole thing reads
[01:08] <xzased> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)
[01:10] <woody86> how can I add a digital clock applet that will show UTC/GMT??
[01:10] <nejode> xzased: wierd... maybe it needs to load a kernel module...
[01:11] <tacosarecool> hello
[01:11] <genii> What does lsusb -nn   say for it ?
[01:11] <genii> Hangon I think the   0a12:0001 may be the relevant thing
[01:11] <genii> (vendor:device)
[01:13] <tacosarecool> Help in hardware testing it says my resolution is
[01:13] <tacosarecool> impossible with fglrx
[01:14] <nejode> xzased: it's supposed to "just work"
[01:14] <condon> when I try to record in xvidcap, I get the following message
[01:15] <condon> xtoffmpeg.c add_video_stream(): video codec not found
[01:15] <xzased> nejode: haha, I know. I,ll try to reinstall and see if that works. Thanks
[01:15] <condon> is there a command to configure xvidcap?  set filenames, codecs to use, etc.?
[01:15] <tacosarecool> Help!
[01:16] <tacosarecool> Help in hardware testing it says my resolution is impossible with fglrx
[01:16] <Dragnslcr> xzased- what version of Kubuntu
[01:16] <xzased> Dragnsler: Kubuntu hardy kde 3.5+
[01:17] <nejode> xzased: did you check if the service is running > ps ax | grep blue ???
[01:18] <tacosarecool> Anyone?
[01:18] <tacosarecool> Help in hardware testing it says my resolution is impossible with fglrx
[01:18] <tacosarecool> No static bars
[01:18] <tacosarecool> That's a problem
[01:19] <xzased> nejode: This is what I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/67648/
[01:21] <nejode> xxzased: you should get a bluetoothd-service-input line
[01:22] <nejode> xzased: try restarting the service> sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart
[01:24] <xzased> nejode: That worked!
[01:24] <xzased> Thanks!
[01:24] <david> How do i enable those snazzy desktop effects?
[01:24] <bazhang> !!ccsm
[01:24] <nejode> xzased: nice!
[01:25] <tacosarecool> hello
[01:25] <tacosarecool> Help in hardware testing it says my resolution is impossible with fglrx
[01:26] <Guest30705> hi i have a ethernet splitter box and im wondering if thers anyway to regulate how much bandwidth goes to each computer attached to it
[01:27] <nejode> tacosarecool: everybody is having problems with video drivers in 8.10
[01:27] <nejode> tacosarecool: what ati card are you running??
[01:27] <tacosarecool> Even nvidia users?
[01:27] <tacosarecool> Oh x300
[01:27] <tacosarecool> ati x300
[01:28] <condon> yep, I use nvidia, had a fun time getting it all running right.
[01:29] <nejode> tacosarecool: read the release notes, no support for radeon 9500 and lower, nor x6oo and lower
[01:29] <tacosarecool> Why?
[01:30] <tacosarecool> Linux is supposed to be a os that's friendly to older hardware
[01:30] <nejode> tacosarecool: read about half way down > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810
[01:31] <nejode> tacosarecool: I agree with you, I think Canonical is trying hard to make their own "vista"
[01:31] <tacosarecool> Well I guess I'll disable my driver
[01:32] <tacosarecool> Since it doesn't matter
[01:32] <tacosarecool> I'll have to buy a graphics card on black friday
[01:32] <nejode> ...I'm staying with 8.04 until I find a good distro that will have support for my cards
[01:32] <tacosarecool> Opensuse?
[01:32] <nejode> Mandriva?
[01:32] <Ryunix> Hai guys i have been trying to get a static ip with intrepid but to no avail.. anyone know how i can?
[01:33] <tacosarecool> Ubuntu is the best though
[01:33] <Ryunix> in hardy i was able to have static ip
[01:33] <tacosarecool>  /kubuntu
[01:33] <nejode> Ryunix: edit you /etc/network/interfaces file
[01:33] <tacosarecool> You can
[01:33] <tacosarecool> Right click
[01:33] <tacosarecool> World icon
[01:34] <tacosarecool> Edit connections
[01:34] <tacosarecool> Make wired
[01:34] <tacosarecool> Manual
[01:34] <Ryunix> dude this is my problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=964192
[01:34] <Ryunix> i set the static ip but then when i check my router its still dhcp
[01:35] <Ryunix> tacosarecool i have done
[01:37] <genii> Ryunix: Your router will keep a record that the dhcp IP is still good until the lease for it expires
[01:37] <Ryunix> genii i need a static ip for my network
[01:37] <Ryunix> im having to restart connections with my other computers
[01:38] <genii> Ryunix: Most routers have the capability to assign IP by MAC address
[01:38] <Ryunix> and im paying money for a static ip so i expect to be able to use it like in hardy..
[01:38] <Guest30705> on my taskbar where all the little icons go (like the sound manager and whatnot) thers a few blue boxes,one of them has an icon one is empty and one has half an icon. is this normal?
[01:38] <genii> Ryunix: The router will have the static IP
[01:39] <Ryunix> genii: but dhcp is not an option for since my printer goes haywire when i go dhcp
[01:39] <Ryunix> me*
[01:39] <neversfelde> Guest30705: Nvidia Card?
[01:40] <Ryunix> is there a patched .deb for networkmanager ?
[01:40] <genii> Ryunix: You can also use the same method of assigning IP by mac address to the printer. On HP printers for instance, the test page of the printer tells you the MAC which you feed into the router
[01:41] <Ryunix> genii yeh i was looking at my routers page and it can but does this mean static ip's dont/wont work in intrepid ?
[01:42] <nejode> Ryunix: your best bet is to edit your interfaces file and restart your network
[01:42] <Ryunix> k
[01:42] <Ryunix> thnx dude
[01:42] <genii> Ryunix: They work fine. However if you are setting an internal IP of the LAN to something like 199.5.6.7   which is for instance the staticv IP you paid for, the router is getting this IP from them (your ISP). So setting the server to this makes for routing nightmares
[01:43] <Ryunix> oh ok thnx genii
[01:43] <sevenseeker1> can someone tell me how to properly reconfigure xorg.conf?  I tried 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' but it is very incomplete (no video driver, screens, resolutions, etc)
[01:44] <ardchoille> sevenseeker1: that is becoming more and more automated with less and less user intervention :(
[01:44] <sevenseeker1> ardchoille: yes, the problem is I upgraded from 8.04 and want to start over with my config... I just can't seem to figure out how to recreate what the initial install does
[01:45] <nejode> Ryunix: genii is right, you should make your router have the static public IP and forward it to your server/desktop
[01:46] <sevenseeker1> ardchoille: I have become used to having it 'just work' and so never checked at the internals... I guess that is a price to pay
[01:46] <Ryunix> nejode genii: do i add dns's to the /etc/network/interfaces file ?
[01:47] <nejode> Ryunix: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/change-ubuntu-system-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address.html
[01:48] <nejode> Ryunix: in your router's config web page you should be able to asighn a static address to it
[01:49] <genii> Ryunix: If you are using the method I dscribed, no. You set the /etc/network/interfaces   back to dhcp and auto. Then the router to assign always a given IP to the server. The server gets routing info it needs from router
[01:49] <tacosarecool> hello
[01:49] <ardchoille> sevenseeker1: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/15048/
[01:49] <genii> Ryunix: Then forward ports you need like 80 or so on from router to that IP you assigned by mac address to the server
[01:50] <tacosarecool> nalioth
[01:50] <sevenseeker1> ardchoille: very interesting
[01:50] <Ryunix> genii first im gonna see if the router sees my comp as static brb
[01:50] <genii> I won't
[01:50] <sevenseeker1> that is a neat way to flag things
[01:50] <genii> *It
[01:51] <[buRn]> can i install .rpm files in kubuntu?
[01:52] <ardchoille> [buRn]: no
[01:52] <tacosarecool> Darn it my video card isn't supported in 8.10
[01:52] <ardchoille> [buRn]: look for the app in the repos, if you can't find that look for a .deb, if you can't find that compile it. never use .rpm packages
[01:52] <sevenseeker1> [buRn]: you can run alien on them and convert to deb though
[01:52] <nalioth> tacosarecool: hi
[01:52] <ardchoille> alien is dangerous
[01:52] <ardchoille> !alien
[01:53] <sevenseeker1> [buRn]: right, I should add that it is the last resort
[01:53] <[buRn]> ok, i was just asking, thnx for help
[01:53] <nejode> Ryunix: if your lan has a class A address (192.168.X.X/24) and you machine has a public IP you're going to have routing problems for sure
[01:54] <Ryunix> nejode what u mean ?
[01:54] <tacosarecool> nalioth are you the one who said your running 8.04 right?
[01:55] <tacosarecool> I left because It froze
[01:55] <tacosarecool> Cause my graphics card is crap under 8.10
[01:55] <Ryunix> btw nejode genii: the manul edit worked, but what u mean problems ? i have been getting disconnects in the past without knowing what caused them
[01:56] <nejode> Ryunix: the job of a router is to "route" an internal lan to a external wan
[01:57] <genii> Ryunix: If you have for instance 1.2.3.4 manually assigned to server, then also 1.2.3.4 which the router is getting as a static IP assigned by ISP, then how do you tell it how to route packets from 1.2.3.4 instance 1 to 1.2.3.4 instance 2  ? eg
[01:57] <nejode> ...and the lan should have the same class address
[01:57] <tacosarecool> ah the lag!
[01:59] <nejode> quit for the day... bye
[01:59] <Ryunix> genii nejode my comp static is a 192.168.x.xx and my gateway ip is a 192.168.x.xxx
[02:00] <Ryunix> will i have problems then ?
[02:00] <tacosarecool> Ah my graphics card is crap under 8.10
[02:00] <genii> Ryunix: No
[02:01] <Ryunix> genii: <3 k thnx  c u's im calling it a night
[02:01] <genii> Ryunix: If your netmask is 255.255.255.0   then 192.168.X.1   is the usual gateway
[02:01] <Ryunix> k thnx dude
[02:01] <nalioth> tacosarecool: it was not i  :(
[02:01] <Ryunix> or dudette?
[02:03] <genii> Dude :)
[02:03]  * genii hands nalioth a coffee
[02:05]  * nalioth finds the coffee cold, after it's trip from #kubuntu-offtopic  :|
[02:08] <microchip420> heys everybody, I had a power interruption earlier, and now my system will not connect to the web consistently, I keep getting a 'server timeout' message for port 80. how can i fix this?
[02:15] <ardchoille> !printer > me
[02:16] <woody86> can someone help me out, I installed Kubuntu, and removed all the Ubuntu stuff, and now when I click on the Firefox icon in Kubuntu it says it has no Type=... entry??
[02:16] <chrisruls00> Is anyone here using the beta of the NVidia 96 series drivers? How do I set them up properly? I keep getting a white screen when the xserver starts if I try to use them.
[02:18] <jtisme> anyone using asus p5q mobo on 8.X
[02:20] <jtisme> woody86, 8.10
[02:20] <woody86> jtisme: yup
[02:21] <jtisme> i usually run ff from the launch area but let me fire up kub 8.10 and see what it has as it is diff than 8.04
[02:22] <dig> woody86: I assume type "firefox" in command line won't work?
[02:22] <unity`Buntu> mannn
[02:22] <unity`Buntu> im having trouble mounting my ntfs drive
[02:23] <jtisme> woody86, that should work but do  firefox& to put in background
[02:23] <jtisme> brb
[02:23] <woody86> dig, jtisme, thanks guys, I think when I removed all the Ubuntu stuff it removed FF because it comes installed on Ubuntu and not by default on Kubuntu :)
[02:24] <woody86> I just did 'firefox' in the terminal and it said to install it, so I'm going to try that first :P
[02:25] <woody86> but the logos, and launchers are still there for it??
[02:26] <dig> woody86: not sure, but I guess os
[02:29] <woody86> dig: yup, now it's working fine :D
[02:29] <dig> woody86: great!
[02:31] <woody86> now does anyone know of a good 24 hour digital clock widget I can change the timezone on?
[02:31] <unity`Buntu> gah
[02:32] <dig> !election > me
[02:32] <unity`Buntu> this sucks.
[02:32] <h00k> Blah.  Kopete can see my webcam, configure it, contacts cannot.
[02:32] <unity`Buntu> !gnump3d
[02:34] <h00k> Blah.  Kopete can see my webcam, configure it, contacts cannot see that I have one, any ideas,anyone?  Also, On campus (no ports blocked, etc)
[02:35] <sjdurfey> im trying to search for an install eclipse in kubuntu 8.10, and the command i am using is "sudo apt-cache search eclipse". its not even attempting to search the repos nor is it giving me an error message to inform me that i am using the command incorrectly. anyone have any idea what the problem is?
[02:36] <dr_willis> you dont need sudo with apt-cache search i belive
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> maybe the sudo
[02:36] <h00k> sjdurfey: I just did that....it searched for me, (the syntax appears correct)
[02:36] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get install eclipse
[02:36] <dr_willis> perhaps
[02:37] <h00k> $ sudo apt-cache search eclipse
[02:37] <dr_willis> !info eclipse
[02:37] <dr_willis> apt-cache search eclipse
[02:37] <sjdurfey> i tried that, it informed me the package name was incorrect
[02:37] <h00k> sjdurfey: can you apt-get update, first?
[02:37] <sjdurfey> tried it without the sudo, and nothing happened
[02:37] <sjdurfey> ill try
[02:37] <woody86> dig: Obama is killing right now, but if you want to keep up with the election, check out http://www.myspace.com/decision08
[02:38] <dr_willis> It aint over till the last recount 7 months from now..! :)
[02:38] <woody86> dr_willis: haha, very true
[02:38] <sjdurfey> yeah, obama is distancing himself from mccain rather quickly, CNN has him at 194 electoral votes already
[02:38] <woody86> sjdurfey: yup, 194 to 90 :D
[02:39] <dr_willis> can we start yelling 'obama stole the election' allready? or are the Rep's allowed to do that? :)
[02:39] <sjdurfey> cnn still has mccain at 69
[02:39] <woody86> msnbc has obama at 200 and mccain at 85 :D
[02:39] <dr_willis> If anything - the last few elections ahve taught us no to trust CNN and the other news sites..
[02:39] <sjdurfey> haha, sounds like everyone has a different answer
[02:40] <dr_willis> We all know his popularity is due to the YouTube Obama-Babes videos! :)
[02:40] <woody86> well, all the major news networks are pollitical, so they're going to have some bias, and some may be slower to get info in than others
[02:40] <sjdurfey> haha, i only saw a brief picture of her once
[02:41] <dig> just one question: do you guys vote on weekend or it is possible to vote on weekday(skip work?)
[02:42] <woody86> dig: by law you are entitled to miss work to vote, and you're employer CANNOT repremand you in any way
[02:42] <sjdurfey> cnn is now saying obama won ohio, thats pretty key
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> police officers can't take vacation today though ;-)
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> I imagine they still get to vote
[02:43] <dig> great!
[02:43] <h00k> sjdurfey: how is the apt-cache?
[02:43] <woody86> JontheEchidna: haha, I'm sure they work it out as not to miss work, either through early voting, or absentee voting
[02:44] <sjdurfey> update is still running, i just installed 8.10, and i took a leave of absence from ubuntu for a while, and totally forgot i had to do that
[02:44] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I just heard on the news that the officers aren't allowed to take vacation today :P
[02:44] <sjdurfey> my connection is so slow right now, the update is crawling by
[02:45] <h00k> sjdurfey: my condolances for a slow cxion
[02:45] <woody86> JontheEchidna: good thing I changed majors from Criminal justice to CIS :D
[02:45] <dig> When the result is likely out?
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> depends on how close the election is
[02:45] <sjdurfey> i want to know who is sucking up allllll the bandwidth
[02:45] <dig> 2 hours possible?
[02:45] <sjdurfey> i can sometimes get about 1mb/sec down, right now its going around 14kb/sec :(
[02:46] <h00k> sjdurfey: maybe try a different mirror
[02:46] <woody86> dig: I'm not sure, normally these "not-official" vote counts are released early, but they have to "Officially" count them all and get the official tallies
[02:46] <sjdurfey> its not just the update, its everything i try to do
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> and in some timezones the polls won't be closed for a few hours yet
[02:46] <woody86> true
[02:46] <unity`Buntu> okay woah
[02:47] <woody86> california and Hawaii still have 2 hours left before they close
[02:47] <unity`Buntu> can anyone help me out with gnump3d
[02:47] <unity`Buntu> not 2 hours.
[02:47] <unity`Buntu> 1.25hr
[02:47] <unity`Buntu> in ca
[02:47] <woody86> unity`Buntu: ah :) thanks
[02:47] <dig> great!
[02:48] <woody86> the website just said "under 2 hours" so I figured I'd go with that
[02:48] <unity`Buntu> god.. please dont let mccain win...
[02:48] <sjdurfey> the ACM chapter at my school blows
[02:48] <unity`Buntu> anyway..
[02:48] <unity`Buntu> i got gnump3d running.
[02:48] <woody86> unity`Buntu: that's why so many people are voting this year, all us lazy democrats finally got off our butts :D
[02:48] <h00k> BBC says M: 124, O, 200
[02:48] <unity`Buntu> im wondering if theres a way to require a username/password to view the server..
[02:48] <sjdurfey> im trying to get some guys together to get an install fest organized at my school, but the chapter president doesnt seem to like to return emails
[02:49] <woody86> sjdurfey: where are you located?
[02:49] <sjdurfey> Bowling Green, OH
[02:49] <bluecopper> hi i finally got my upgrade done but its seems to be sketchy
[02:50] <woody86> sjdurfey: ah! Congrats on your state going to Obama :D I wish more people who started local user's groups would take their position more seriously :(
[02:50] <bluecopper> twice it just froze on me
[02:50] <ncfi1013_> how do i rip music tracks to amarok?
[02:50] <unity`Buntu> anyone know about it?
[02:50] <bluecopper> and that soon after getting to the desktop
[02:51] <sjdurfey> at the moment im not part of a users group, but there is one not too far from me and they agreed to help with the install fest, but i would like to have a few people help with advertising it, and setting up a booth in the student union so the other students can at least see what Ubuntu is all about
[02:51] <GillesMM> hello on 8.10 I can't drag and drog icons on task bar ? I have a forbidden symbol and my taskbar is unlocked idea ?
[02:51] <GillesMM> kde 4.1 ...
[02:51] <Ashex> What happened to the file copy manager that was in Hardy?
[02:54] <dr_willis> kde4 redid a lot of things GillesMM
[02:54] <GillesMM> dr_willis: :)
[02:54] <Ashex> it also took kde3 out back and shot it
[02:54] <Ashex> twice
[02:54] <dr_willis> Then laughed!
[02:54] <Ashex> with great mirth!
[02:54] <ArkoldThos> how I control how fans works?
[02:55] <h00k> and Office-Space-style baseball-bat it.
[02:55] <Ashex> ArkoldThos, use lm-sensors
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> GillesMM: it should be possible to drag it to the panel, just aim for the very top of the panel
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> dragging will become much easier in KDE 4.2
[02:55] <sjdurfey> ah sweet, its nice to see kubuntu has to window preview working for the programs in the task bar, i had openSuse installed for about a week, and it wasnt working, it looked really dumb to have this big black box without a preview inside it, haha
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> wonder if they forgot to re-enable the effect in KWin :P
[02:57]  * JontheEchidna finds a video
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/Painless_Drop
[02:57] <sjdurfey> i need to get acquainted with KDE, im looking to write an app using Qt
[02:58] <Ashex> ArkoldThos, use it with fancontrol, and it'll do it
[02:58] <Ashex> ArkoldThos, when I setup fan control on my pc way back, I used this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2780
[02:58] <vasilisa> my friend's using ibex. he's a bcm user, and he cant connect
[02:58] <vasilisa> we did the wcutter stuff, set up the driver, etc... nothing
[03:01] <draik> Has anyone else's Device Notifier taken a dump? I plug in my USB card reader and external HDD... nothing.
[03:02] <Ash-Fox> How does one disable the PC speaker beeps?
[03:02] <draik> K Menu > Computer > System Settings > Notifications
[03:02] <draik> There should be a tab for system beeps
[03:02] <draik> Disable those
[03:02] <draik> ^^ Ash-Fox
[03:02] <Ash-Fox> Draik, nah, issues exist in Wine and skype
[03:03] <Ash-Fox> Not KDE application specific
[03:03] <draik> Ash-Fox: Sorry.
[03:04] <Ashex> So, I'm not entirely sure if this is a bug
[03:04] <Ashex> Plug in ntfs drive
[03:04] <Ashex> get detection and prompt to enter password
[03:04] <Ashex> enter password, but it doesn't mount due to a unclean unmount from last time around
[03:04] <Ashex> but, there's no prompt or message about this
[03:05] <Ashex> the password prompt goes away, and the icon in Dolphin doesn't change. Clicking the icon does nothing
[03:05] <Ashex> Would that be a reportable bug or a regression?
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> Ash-Fox: kdesudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> add the line
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> blacklist pcspkr
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> save, reboot
[03:06] <Ashex> JontheEchidna, ha, I've been trying to figure out how to disable it for years
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[03:06] <Ash-Fox> JontheEchidna, thank god
[03:06] <Ash-Fox> It's only been bugging me with this laptop, because alsamixer doesn't let me turn it off
[03:06] <aaroncampbell> I re-installed compiz and emerald, but I now have no themes in emerald, and compiz still doesn't start right :|
[03:06]  * Ash-Fox rmmods it
[03:06] <woody86> how can I add a launcher like in 8.04 where it has a block of 4 little launchers together?
[03:07] <Ashex> so, anyone? reportable bug or not?
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> it probably should tell you if it fails
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> I'd file it against kde4libs
[03:10] <draik> Bad Device Notifier. I had to reload it
[03:10] <draik> How do I make it so that Dolphin is not the option within New Device Notifier?
[03:10] <_2> what is the best way to tell if i disk has a fileystem on it ?    fsck ?
[03:10] <JontheEchidna> draik: currently that is hardcoded
[03:11] <draik> JontheEchidna: Any signs of a possible change?
[03:11] <JontheEchidna> yes, don't know how soon
[03:12] <draik> JontheEchidna: Ok.
[03:12] <JontheEchidna> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158938
[03:12] <\Kira> Whats a command that can add a user to a group, without creating a new group or user or changing the users main group?
[03:13] <_2> \Kira usermod -aG group user
[03:13] <\Kira> _2: thanks
[03:13] <draik> Has anyone else experienced text which looks like it is being garbled and almost looks somewhat pixilated or in a horrible block font?
[03:13] <draik> I wish I had a screenshot right now
[03:13] <_2> \Kira better referance the man page.    that was from memory.
[03:14] <\Kira> _2: yeah, i was just looking for somewere to get started anyway
[03:17] <\Kira> _2: yeah, that command was right
[03:27] <draik> I have come to realize that I don't care about the bugs as much. I really love the new 8.10 look and feel for how it is set up for users. Feels... uncluttered, if that makes sense.
[03:28] <h00k> draik: still free to still report them if you find them,
[03:28] <draik> h00k: I know. I'm liking it just the same.
[03:29] <h00k> draik: :) good
[03:52] <uman> Hi, i managed to share my ubuntu 8.04 boxs internet connection with my xbox 360 with firestarter. the thing is i want to give all the connections that come from and go to my xbox 360 high priority (QoS) so that i dont lag. Can anyone help me out on how i can make all the connections that come from and go to my 360 get the highest priority possible. (my 360 is always connected to the same ehernet card and always has the same ip. Thanks
[04:06] <uman> Hi, i managed to share my ubuntu 8.04 boxs internet connection with my xbox 360 with firestarter. the thing is i want to give all the connections that come from and go to my xbox 360 high priority (QoS) so that i dont lag. Can anyone help me out on how i can make all the connections that come from and go to my 360 get the highest priority possible. (my 360 is always connected to the same ehernet card and always has the same ip. Thanks
[04:07] <sjdurfey> Obama kicks McCains ass
[04:07] <dig> ya!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:07] <tiklado> what could be an alternative for parallel desktop?
[04:08] <sjdurfey> this election wasnt even close
[04:08] <tacosarecool> Hooray!
[04:08] <tacosarecool> I'm so happy!
[04:08] <JontheEchidna> I bet Obama voted for McCain just cause he could
[04:08] <JontheEchidna> :P
[04:09] <genii> It's slow here right now, but please remember politics is !ot
[04:09] <scribbles> I can hear the people upstairs screaming
[04:09] <scribbles> doors are slamming in my apartment buildling
[04:09] <tacosarecool> woot!
[04:09] <scribbles> people yelling yesssss
[04:09] <tacosarecool> Sounds like a fun apartment
[04:09] <scribbles> :)
[04:10] <genii> I wonder if they use Kubuntu ;)
[04:10] <scribbles> just maybe
[04:10] <scribbles> it is for human beings you know ;)
[04:10] <genii> scribbles: This is true!
[04:10] <dig> that will be cool.
[04:11] <tiklado> do you think obama winning US election can somehow uplift the condition of people in africa and other 3rd world countries?
[04:11] <dig> !ot > me
[04:13] <tacosarecool> Probably
[04:13] <genii> tiklado: Perhaps if they subsidise a crapload of cheap laptops running Kubuntu
[04:14] <tacosarecool> because Obama doesn't support the war I think even though the controversy said so I don't think he will support the war
[04:14] <tiklado> hahaha
[04:14] <genii> !ot
[04:14] <genii> Try and remeber that ##politics exists :)
[04:15] <sjdurfey> tiklado: the economist did a survey of all the countries around the world, and something like 95% of the people who responded would have voted for Obama
[04:15] <tiklado> well it doesnt matter if obama will support the war, but the fact is US industries relies on weapons for war..how can US survive the recession if it will not support the war?
[04:15] <woody86> is there any way to add the 5-a-day applet to Kubuntu?
[04:16] <genii> Does anyone have any outstanding Kubuntu support issues?
[04:16] <tiklado> quite paradoxical..i think..but i think Obama winning is somehow a step towards global peace..what you think people?
[04:16] <genii> woody86: Yes, it works same on Kubuntu as on regular Ubuntu
[04:17] <woody86> genii: I ran all the stuff on the wiki page, and installed the 5-a-day applet, but can't find it when I click on "Add Applet" on the panel?
[04:17] <genii> tiklado: I think we need to remember to stay ontopic and not discuss politics in the support channel to such an extent
[04:18] <genii> woody86: OK, give me a minute to look into it
[04:18] <woody86> genii: I'm running 8.10 just FYI, thanks :)
[04:19] <tiklado> well i think poen source software is a political issue..anyway..
[04:19] <tacosarecool> I'm running 8.10 but it doesn't support x300 linux is supposed to support older hardware I think this canonical is trying to make a vista
[04:19] <genii> tiklado: Yes, but not much to do with helping people solve their Kubuntu support issues in this channel. Which is it's purpose
[04:19] <woody86> tiklado: I was just thinking that! Windows is the republicans, Mac is the Dems, and Linux is the Green Party :D
[04:20] <tacosarecool> But who's the liberterians?
[04:20] <tacosarecool> and the peace and freedom?
[04:20] <woody86> nobody cares about them :P
[04:20] <woody86> lol
[04:20] <genii> woody86: Best I can do right now is point you to the Kubuntu-specific 5-a-day https://wiki.kubuntu.org/5-A-Day
[04:20] <tacosarecool> nader was peace and freedom
[04:20] <tiklado> well linux will never be green..i think it is more of red..
[04:20] <woody86> genii: ok thanks, I was using the ubuntu one before, so hopefully this will work :D
[04:21] <tiklado> well i think it is time to stop this shit..
[04:21] <tiklado> okay..thanks guys..:P
[04:21] <woody86> tiklado: ah ah ah, PG language
[04:21] <tacosarecool> Oh the lag
[04:22] <tiklado> sorry..do you guys know how am i going to run my other OS without rebooting from kubuntu?
[04:23] <genii> tiklado: Inside a VM, possibly?
[04:23] <woody86> what's the KDE equivelent of "deb" in a terminal?
[04:24] <genii> woody86: You mean to install a package?
[04:24] <tiklado> VM?
[04:24] <woody86> genii: I guess so, it says to deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/5-a-day/ubuntu intrepid main
[04:24] <woody86> but terminal says "deb"s not known
[04:24] <genii> woody86: deb is same for all *buntu  ..... lag... Ah, they mean to add this to your repository list in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:25] <woody86> genii: why won't typing in "deb" work though?
[04:26] <genii> woody86: Because "deb" is not any name of some command
[04:26] <tacosarecool> Lag wish I had new graphics card
[04:26] <woody86> genii: then why does it want me to put that in a terminal?
[04:27] <genii> woody86: echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/5-a-day/ubuntu intrepid main" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update
[04:27] <woody86> genii: ah, wait, nevermind, I got it now :)
[04:27] <genii> woody86: Ah, good :)
[04:28] <thedark_> I am not able to record in Audacity
[04:28] <thedark_> anyone can give me any ideas what to look for?
[04:29] <tacosarecool> Go to kmix
[04:29] <tacosarecool> And make sure you mic is capturing
[04:30] <genii> The Intel HDA cards also are known for mic issues without recompiling alsa as described in the !intelhda factoid
[04:31] <thedark_> aw man... I am newb I can't recompile :(
[04:31] <thedark_> okay I have kmix open
[04:32] <thedark_> there is no mute/unmute button for the mic boost channel
[04:32] <thedark_> but it is at max volume
[04:33] <woody86> genii: I went through all the 5-A-Day instructions, but it's still not in my list of applets?
[04:33] <genii> thedark_: In Konsole, if you issue:  lspci -nn | grep Audio    what says it?
[04:34] <thedark_> 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 03)
[04:34] <genii> thedark_: You have one of those Intel HDA cards I was talking about
[04:35] <favro> !intelhda
[04:36] <genii> favro: Yup, thats the one
[04:36] <genii> woody86: I'm asking now in #kubuntu-bugs but it seems fairly slow there right now :/
[04:37] <woody86> genii: ah, thanks again :)
[04:40] <draik> How do I get the Menu to appear under the GIMP window. I don't have File Edit View, etc
[04:41] <genii> woody86: I need to go /away however perhaps keep asking every so often on this subject in channel #kubuntu-bugs
[04:42] <thedark_> the advice it has for mics isn't really helpful...
[04:42] <woody86> ok thanks genii :D
[04:43] <thedark_> I don't have windows
[04:44] <genii> thedark_: Skip to part where it reads "Update to the Latest Version of ALSA"   then just follow instructions there
[04:44] <genii> OK, gotta really leave now... gnite
[04:45] <thedark_> night
[05:00] <robd> Hey guys
[05:00] <robd> Just curious, what's the difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu?
[05:00] <robd> Is it literally KDE vs Gnome or are there other package differences?
[05:00] <rrittenhouse> I just installed Kubuntu 8.10 64bit with the Desktop cd by choosing "Install Kubuntu" at the first screen. It installed pretty quick. I rebooted to be dropped into a terminal. I had to startx myself, is this normal?
[05:01] <faileas> no
[05:01] <rrittenhouse> hmm
[05:01] <rrittenhouse> the one time I trust a desktop install :P
[05:07] <draik> How do I get the Menu to appear under the GIMP window. I don't have File Edit View, etc
[05:08] <draik> Where do I submit a bug for firefox3? You can't rename a file that you are going to save. Filename must be preserved. Gives you a server error for file not found.
[05:35] <thedark_> ...
[05:39] <dennister> anyone know how to get in touch with ubuntu forums? I'm registered, but can't reset password with their method/links, and can't therefore, login, either
[05:40] <dennister> their usual reset-password system is broken :(
[05:44] <Sokal-EC> is kopete for yahoo?
[05:44] <emilsedgh> Sokal-EC: it could comnnect to yahoo too
[05:45] <draik> I have issues with "Error 1 - name lookup has failed" from time to time
[05:45] <Sokal-EC> i forget whats the one with yahoo rooms and stuff
[05:45] <Sokal-EC> gaim?
[05:46] <draik> !gaim | Sokal-EC
[05:47] <draik> My only gripe with Kopete is the constant disconnect from Yahoo
[05:48] <|JD|> hi, how do i get a .jar file to execute on kubuntu rather than be opened by ark/archive manager
[05:48] <|JD|> e.e
[05:59] <\Kira> I cant write to a external harddisk mounted on my ubuntu server im connected by ssh to. Any help?
[06:00] <\Kira> Ohh, sorry. Thats not kubuntu related
[06:00] <\Kira> I usually go to this channel when I dont get answered on ubutnu because i run kubuntu, my bad
[06:03] <draik> \Kira: Permission issue? "sudo" maybe?
[06:03] <\Kira> draik: even sudo has insufficient permissions
[06:04] <draik> What's the error message?
[06:20] <sparr> when kvirc launches kfmclient for a http URL, and kfmclient launches firefox, my existing firefox instance is moved to the current desktop.  this is new and unwanted behavior in kde 4 / kubuntu intrepid.  how can i fix it?
[06:26] <Sokal-EC> ok why does firefox not show up in kmenu?
[06:29] <sparr> none of the keyboard shortcuts for the Run Command Interface component are working for me.  alt+f2, ctrl+alt+del, etc
[06:29] <sparr> kde4 might have been ready if they had waited one more release :(
[06:30] <sparr> how do i configure a vpn connection in kubuntu intrepid?
[06:31] <DaSkreech> sparr: run krunner
[06:32] <sparr> and then?
[06:33] <sparr> krunner
[06:33] <sparr> <unknown program name>(1750)/: Communication problem with  "krunner" , it probably crashed.
[06:33] <sparr> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." "
[06:33] <DaSkreech> sparr: there is your alt+F2
[06:33] <DaSkreech> That's why alt=F2 doesn't work
[06:33] <proteusguy> I just noticed kdf is gone from intrepid. Why was it removed and what is the pdf viewer recommended now?
[06:34] <DaSkreech> proteusguy: okular
[06:34] <emilsedgh> proteusguy: okular rocks!
[06:34] <proteusguy> thanx guys!
[06:34] <sparr> any further suggestions?
[06:34] <emilsedgh> proteusguy: "Okular is a universal document viewer based on KPDF for KDE 4. "
[06:35] <emilsedgh> sparr: try running kded (maybe kded4)
[06:35] <emilsedgh> it may solve it
[06:35] <DaSkreech> sparr: do you have qdbus running?
[06:35] <sparr> kded
[06:35] <sparr> KDE Daemon (kded) already running.
[06:36] <sparr> kded4
[06:36] <sparr> kded(1853): KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server
[06:36] <sparr> DaSkreech: probably not
[06:36] <DaSkreech> smelt like it
[06:36] <sparr> qdbus
[06:36] <sparr> Could not connect to D-Bus server: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoServer: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-p3BlrnO7O0: Connection refused
[06:36] <proteusguy> DaSkreech emilsedgh - okular does look pretty nice. regards.
[06:36] <DaSkreech> proteusguy: It's leagues ahead of KPDF
[06:37] <DaSkreech> sparr: sort out dbus then you'll be ok
[06:37] <sparr> i have no idea what you mean
[06:37] <emilsedgh> sparr: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[06:37] <sparr> the only thing i ever used dbus for before is fspot
[06:37] <DaSkreech> sparr: prepare to have that change
[06:38] <sparr> ok, restarted dbus
[06:38] <sparr> which restarted a number of services
[06:40] <sparr> no change in output of qdbus
[06:40] <sparr> and now alt-tab doesnt work either
[06:40]  * sparr wants hardy back
[06:40] <faileas> sparr: reinstall it then, or virtualise it
[06:41] <sparr> about due for a reinstall, been going for a few years on this box
[06:42] <sparr> but, right now, id like to resolve this problem so that i can at least effectively troubleshoot my other problems
[06:42] <sparr> new output:
[06:42] <sparr> krunner
[06:42] <sparr> <unknown program name>(2670)/: KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server
[06:42] <sparr> <unknown program name>(2669)/: KUniqueApplication: Pipe closed unexpectedly.
[06:44] <sparr> i know nothing about dbus
[06:44] <DaSkreech> huh?
[06:45] <DaSkreech> Krunner is running already?
[06:45] <sparr> 4 instances of krunner are running
[06:45] <dig> !krunner > me
[06:46] <emilsedgh> sparr: that must be a common problem, i have this problem time to time on kde svn, so i think searching about it will help
[06:46] <DaSkreech> It's a Uniqie app so yeah they probably should die
[06:48] <sparr> im going to reboot
[06:48] <sparr> i HATE rebooting to fix problems
[06:48] <DaSkreech> sparr: you could level bounce
[06:49] <sparr> http://rafb.net/p/wjHfmM46.html
[06:49] <sparr> food for thought while im gone
[06:49] <DaSkreech> sudo init 1; sudo init 2
[06:50] <faileas> hmm.. anyone else having problems with medibuntu?
[06:50] <illmortal> Can someone assist me in mounting my windows hard drive? Right clickin and clickin on "mount" doesn't do the trick
[06:50] <ForgeAus> hey all
[06:50] <faileas> illmortal: what error does it give? and was it shut down properly perviously?
[06:51] <ForgeAus> how do I use dd if=/dev/hda of=grldr bs=512 count=1 if it can't find /dev/hda (I don't understand why it can't find /dev/hda
[06:51] <illmortal> no error what so ever.
[06:51] <faileas> ForgeAus: won't do anything i think. might bitch
[06:51] <illmortal> it acts like it's mountin but doesn't, faileas
[06:51] <dig> illmortal: can you see windows hard disks?
[06:51] <faileas> http://pastebin.com/m32a30282 is the error i have when i try to run apt-get update
[06:52] <ForgeAus> faileas then how do I copy the boot sector to a file?
[06:52] <illmortal> yep, the disk is shown in the storage folder but when i click on it i go into an empty folder
[06:52] <dig> illmortal: May I suggest you login into windows, then back to kubuntu
[06:52] <ForgeAus> I thought that was the command to do it
[06:52] <illmortal> that's the problem dig... windows took a crap and now im tryin to figure out how i can get some files back
[06:52] <illmortal> windows keeps restartin as soon as im about to log in.
[06:52] <ForgeAus> (note the of= bit I modified from backup.boot
[06:52] <faileas> illmortal: ahh. you might want to try mounting it in CLI
[06:53] <illmortal> cli?
[06:53] <faileas> command line
[06:53] <illmortal> konsole?
[06:53] <ForgeAus> to grldr (since I want it to be the grub loader boot sector)
[06:53] <faileas> illmortal: yes
[06:53] <ForgeAus> (which is what it currently is)
[06:53] <illmortal> how would i go about that?
[06:53] <faileas> I think it would be like sudo  mkdir /media/foo (to make a mountpoint)
[06:54] <faileas> then sudo mount /dev/sdx1 (or whatever the drive name is) /media/foo
[06:54] <illmortal> foo?...
[06:54] <faileas> it will then bitch and give you the correct command if its a locked drive
[06:54] <faileas> illmortal: well you can replace foo with anything
[06:54] <faileas> it needs to be /media/mountpointname
[06:55] <illmortal> you're losin me.
[06:56] <illmortal> sudo mkdir /media/sda1
[06:56] <illmortal> sudo mount /dev/sda1
[06:56] <illmortal> right?
[06:56] <faileas> no no
[06:56] <faileas> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[06:56] <faileas> first step is making a mount point. the second is mounting a drive to that mount point
[06:57] <faileas> i wonder
[06:57] <faileas> !mount
[06:57] <faileas> nope
[06:57] <illmortal> Operation not supported
[06:57] <illmortal> Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use
[06:57] <faileas> ahh
[06:57] <faileas> does it give an alternate command?
[06:57] <illmortal> mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 -o force
[06:58] <faileas> ya..
[06:58] <illmortal> "if i don't have windows"
[06:58] <faileas> dosen't matter
[06:58] <illmortal> ni8ce!
[06:58] <faileas> the 'correct' way to do it is to booth into windows, and shutdown ;p
[06:58] <illmortal> nice!*
[06:58] <faileas> that's the 'unsafe' way ;p
[07:00] <illmortal> thank you faileas :P
[07:00] <faileas> illmortal: np. hope you get your data out :)
[07:01] <Creed> Hello
[07:01] <ForgeAus> hey Creed :)
[07:01] <ForgeAus> faileas uh is / supposed to be also mounted as a media/hdx ?
[07:01] <Creed> I am very new to the linux community and have a question
[07:02] <ForgeAus> Creed, just ask it
[07:02] <ForgeAus> asking to ask something is pointless lol
[07:02] <faileas> ForgeAus: er... root isn't supposed to be mounted as anything but root. root tends to be ON a parttion methinks
[07:02] <sparr> back.  reboot fixed dbus problems it seems
[07:02] <sparr> so now back to my real question.  how do i get a vpn working in kde4?
[07:02] <ForgeAus> yes faileas, ok, so how do I get a copy of my boot sector?
[07:03] <ForgeAus> in fact where exactly is the boot sector? is it on hda, hda1, hda2 (where hda2 = / afaik)
[07:03] <faileas> ForgeAus: er... sadly enough, no idea. never done it before
[07:03] <faileas> its on HDA i think
[07:03] <faileas> its supposed to be kinda 'outside' the standard partitions
[07:03] <Creed> I was trying to do a distro up over wireless connection after all the packages were fininshed downloading and the instalation had begun I lost my wireless connection and the install broke
[07:03] <ForgeAus> well the command is generally something like dd if=/dev/hda of=backup.boot bs=512 count=1
[07:03] <ForgeAus> (where backup.boot = the filename)
[07:04] <ForgeAus> but when I do that, I get it telling me dd: opening `/dev/hda': No such file or directory
[07:04] <faileas> hmm
[07:04] <ForgeAus> maybe its hda1 or / instead?
[07:04] <Creed> now X will not load all I can access is command line
[07:04] <ForgeAus> ie /dev/hda1 or / ??? but / doesn't sound right to me
[07:04] <ForgeAus> hmm why doesn't grub have a grldr of its own lol grub4dos does
[07:05] <ForgeAus> (but I doubt that one would work with linux)
[07:05] <ForgeAus> I might ask in #grub maybe they'll know
[07:05] <faileas> hmm
[07:05] <faileas> actually i think mine has a uldr or something
[07:05] <faileas> one moment
[07:06] <Creed> is there a way to connect to a wireless network over command line
[07:06] <sparr> Creed: yes
[07:07] <ForgeAus> faileas does stage1 or one of those files = the boot sector anyway?
[07:07] <faileas> ForgeAus: i don't mess with grub
[07:07] <faileas> its a TIFM for me
[07:07] <ForgeAus> I'm not changing it, I'm trying to make a copy for ntldr to chain to it
[07:08] <ForgeAus> It worked ok when I did it on my pc, can't remember how I did it exactly but I think I just used the format of the command I pasted
[07:08] <ForgeAus> just this time its giving me an error I'm not sure why exactly
[07:08] <Creed> Sparr: what is the commands to do so
[07:09] <sparr> Creed: dont remember, sorry
[07:09] <faileas> ForgeAus: oh, when ntldr chained it, i seemed to have a gldr or something on my drive. this was on wubi tho
[07:09] <sparr> busy re-learning command line stuff for VPNs
[07:09] <sparr> since kde4 doesnt have vpn support yet (wtf)
[07:09] <Creed> thanks
[07:09] <grizzancs> ForgeAus: maybe it's /dev/sda  now ?
[07:09] <sparr> gonna switch over to gnome and give this a shot
[07:09] <faileas> .....
[07:09] <ForgeAus> no grizzancs this pc has only IDE drives no sata
[07:09] <faileas> ForgeAus: he's right
[07:09] <ForgeAus> but otherwise you'd be right (or if it were scsi or other)
[07:09] <faileas> on newer kernels EVERYTHING is SDA
[07:10] <Creed> Does anybody else know how to make a wireless network connection via command line
[07:10] <faileas> SDX even
[07:10] <ForgeAus> really? this is only feisty anyway
[07:10] <faileas> Creed: most likely NetworkManager
[07:10] <faileas> the app. never used it myself tho
[07:11] <grizzancs> ForgeAus: ls /dev/?da  will tell you
[07:11] <ForgeAus> uh?
[07:11] <ForgeAus> that didn't do anything
[07:11] <ForgeAus> just took me back to a commandline
[07:11] <grizzancs> hmm, interesting
[07:11] <Creed> I am sorry but like I said I am new to linux command line interface
[07:11] <ForgeAus> oh wait I used an I not an l
[07:12] <ForgeAus> its ok... yeah says no such file or directory
[07:12] <grizzancs> where are your hard drives? :D is that only one hard drive in your pc ?
[07:12] <grizzancs> *there
[07:12] <Creed> I need to know the exact command string
[07:13] <ForgeAus> actually I don't get why /dev/hda doesn't exist thats weird
[07:13] <grizzancs> me neither. type mount, and check what drive is / mounted on
[07:13] <ForgeAus> ok look slike your right sda
[07:13] <ForgeAus> maybe thats why
[07:13] <faileas> Creed: try man iwconfig
[07:13] <faileas> man iwconfig
[07:14] <ForgeAus> thats very odd, since /media/hda1 is mounted there
[07:14] <ForgeAus> I just assumed everything was hda (also being that its an ide not sata drive)
[07:14] <ForgeAus> ok retrying with sda
[07:15] <Creed> faileas: thank you very much
[07:15] <faileas> Creed: np. did it work?
[07:17] <Creed> I dual boot between WinXP and Kubuntu at the moment I am on XP I will try this after rebooting
[07:19] <faileas> kk
[07:20] <faileas> Creed: man = manual page. fraid you'll have to make sense of it, but that should put you in the right direction i suspect
[07:23] <ForgeAus> must have been feisty where the changeover to sda was...
[07:24] <ForgeAus> I don't understand why mtab (and/or fstab) are mounting a device thats sda1 and calling it hda1 ... thats very confusing
[07:24] <sparr> stuck using gnome so i can get on a vpn
[07:24] <sparr> how annoying
[07:24] <weedar> just as annoying as not being able to use the keyboard and mouse because they
[07:24] <weedar> 're bluetooth
[07:28] <sparr> ForgeAus: old naming scheme vs new naming scheme?
[07:28] <ForgeAus> ahh looks like it worked :)
[07:29] <ForgeAus> yeah sparr, I think so
[07:29] <ectospasm> so I'm warming up to KDE4... the interface is really slick, but I wish I could say it was intuitive or easy to use.  It's not, at least in the way that I expect
[07:29] <ForgeAus> whatever uses mtab might have kept it for compatibility purposes or something
[07:29] <ForgeAus> ectospasm, could be worse but yes for the most part I agree with you
[07:29] <ectospasm> I have an issue that I don't even know how to begin to report:  adding and removing widgets in a reliable manner escapes me
[07:29] <ForgeAus> I'm still not entirely happy with kde4 yet....
[07:30] <ectospasm> ...to the panel, I mean.
[07:30] <ForgeAus> uh the only problem I've had there is some of the widgets don't have an icon for me...
[07:30] <ForgeAus> but adding and removing them they show up a number in the add/remove widgets box
[07:31] <ForgeAus> so you just click the minus button to remove one
[07:31] <ectospasm> ForgeAus: how do you add them?  Making the star yellow?  THat doesn't always work for me
[07:31] <ForgeAus> no making the star yellow afiak sets them as a favourite or something, I don't know I don't use the star
[07:31] <faileas> ectospasm: select and hit the add button?
[07:31] <ectospasm> And clicking the red minus removes all the widgets, from all panels, not just the ones I want to remove
[07:31] <ectospasm> faileas: that doesn't work all the time for me, and I can't figure out why
[07:31] <DarkriftX> i have a window that died on me
[07:32] <ForgeAus> uh, really? theres another red minus somewhere... or somethings wrong or your KDE4 is different from mine
[07:32] <DarkriftX> cant get it to go away, how do i find out what process owns it?
[07:32] <ectospasm> DarkriftX: xkill
[07:32] <ectospasm> Alt-F2 and run xkill
[07:33] <DarkriftX> nice
[07:33] <DarkriftX> thx
[07:33] <DarkriftX> maybe you guys could help with my other problem :(
[07:33] <DarkriftX> ok, i have "for i in $(busybox|grep .*,.*,.*,.*); do echo $i; done" but $i always has a comma at the end. what would be the best command line method to remove the comma? (i know my regex sucks)
[07:33] <ectospasm> I'm glad that worked... had to run Alt-F2 myself to make sure it still worked
[07:33] <ectospasm> busybox is teh suck
[07:34] <ectospasm> I hate it at work
[07:34] <DarkriftX> its for a phone lol
[07:34] <DarkriftX> this is on the tmobile g1
[07:34] <DarkriftX> lots of commands missing, we are using busybox to add them in
[07:34] <ectospasm> why the commas?
[07:34] <DarkriftX> basically i want a script to read the list of all busybox commands and do "cp -s busybox $i"
[07:34] <DarkriftX> because all lines with 3+ commas are a list of commands
[07:34] <DarkriftX> other lines are text descriptions
[07:35] <ectospasm> you probably want to wrap the regex in quotes, so the shell doesn't interpret the expression
[07:35] <DarkriftX> k
[07:36] <ectospasm> that's only a guess, and the grep on the g1 may be effectively worthless
[07:36] <DarkriftX> so how do i remove a comma from $i on every line?
[07:36] <DarkriftX> its busybox grep lol
[07:36] <DarkriftX> its working though
[07:36] <DarkriftX> just has command,
[07:36] <ectospasm> try sed
[07:36] <ectospasm> that's about the best I can offer, since I don't know sed
[07:37] <ectospasm> or awk
[07:37] <ectospasm> and my perl is so rusty it's not useful to anybody, even me
[07:39] <DarkriftX> how do i say "for i in command; do this and do this; done"
[07:39] <DarkriftX> the and part i dont know how to do
[07:40] <DarkriftX> | caused probs lol
[07:40] <DarkriftX> or is it &
[07:40] <ectospasm> DarkriftX:  cmd1 && cmd2 [&& cmd3...]
[07:41] <ectospasm> if cmd1 fails, it won't execute cmd2
[07:41] <illmortal> Hey guys.... I have to reinstall windows and I wanted to know if that's possible without gettin in the way of my Linux install?
[07:42] <ardchoille> DarkriftX: http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Linux/CondExe
[07:42] <DarkriftX> checking
[07:42] <faileas> illmortal: look up reinstalling grub
[07:42] <illmortal> ok
[07:42] <DarkriftX> oh, ok
[07:42] <DarkriftX> thx
[07:42] <grizzancs> DarkriftX: or if you don't want to stop at fail you can just use  ;
[07:42] <DarkriftX> ok
[07:42] <illmortal> wait... will i need a floppy drive, faileas?
[07:43] <faileas> !grub
[07:43] <DarkriftX> i still dont see how to use awk or sed to do this
[07:43] <faileas> ;)
[07:44] <illmortal> alright time to re-install winblows.
[07:44] <illmortal> bbl =\
[07:44] <DarkriftX> man
[07:44] <ardchoille> DarkriftX: you can remove every comma from a file with:  sed -i 's/,//g' filename
[07:45] <DarkriftX> ive tried everything
[07:45] <DarkriftX> its not a file
[07:45] <DarkriftX> its piped from another command
[07:45] <DarkriftX> for i in $(busybox|grep .*,.*,.*,.*); do echo $i; done
[07:45] <DarkriftX> but $i always has a comma at the end
[07:45] <DarkriftX> the output is always "text,"
[07:46] <ardchoille> DarkriftX:  try this in a terminal:  echo "this is, a test" | sed 's/,//g'
[07:47] <dwidmann> Well, another thing that could be tried is to pipe it into tr ',' ''
[07:48] <dwidmann> hmm, seems it won't like emptyness though :\
[07:48] <DarkriftX> if i do sed anything with just "sed 'something here'" it locks up
[07:48] <DarkriftX> and i cant press ctrl+c in here
[07:48] <DarkriftX> so its a reboot
[07:50] <DarkriftX> space would work lol
[07:51] <DarkriftX> damnit
[07:51] <DarkriftX> everything i do puts me in interactive mode with something
[07:51] <DarkriftX> and i have to reboot to get out
[07:54] <ardchoille> DarkriftX: Don't ctrl+c or "q" or Esc work?
[07:55] <DarkriftX> for i in $(busybox|grep '.*,.*,.*,.*'); do XXXXX; done <-----what would be the format if i wanted XXXXX to 'tr "," " " | echo $output' (and what would be $output's name?
[07:55] <DarkriftX> ctrl+c kills my connection to the device
[07:55] <DarkriftX> q and esc do nothing
[07:55] <Creed> hello
[07:57] <DarkriftX> screw it
[08:13] <Seaboy> hey guys
[08:14] <springo> hey
[08:14] <springo> how are you?
[08:15] <Seaboy> fine
[08:15] <Seaboy> ﻿﻿when I was in my kubuntu desktop. suddenly everything changed to white, and after rebooting splash screen is ok, but after logging in, again just awhite screen, what's the problem?
[08:16] <eagle_y2> hiya
[08:17] <eagle_y2> just installed kubuntu 8.10
[08:17] <Seaboy> any idea?
[08:17] <eagle_y2> but can't login
[08:17] <eagle_y2> any idea
[08:17] <jussi01> Seaboy: did you enable desktop effects?
[08:18] <noaXess> hi all.. wasup?
[08:18] <noaXess> on kubuntu planet :)
[08:18] <eagle_y2> can someone figure out watz wrong with my installation
[08:18] <Seaboy> ﻿jussi01: no, I did it before and have the same problem, but after that i've disabled it
[08:18] <noaXess> just a question for scanning.. i use kooka for scanning documents or pics.. but with kooka i can't create a pdf directly..
[08:18] <noaXess> is there any other scan tool for kde that can directly create pdfs?
[08:19] <eagle_y2> kubuntu 8.10 is crashing after i m entering my login
[08:19] <Seaboy> ﻿jussi01: but I've installed nvidia-glx-173,
[08:19] <vasilisa> This bug is really stressing me out, and ive googled it to death.... "Unable to create io-slave. klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'trash'.
[08:19] <vasilisa> i cant delete files to trash using gwenview
[08:19] <vasilisa> what does that error even mean?
[08:20] <jussi01> eagle_y2: does it crash or jsut go back to the login screen?
[08:20] <eagle_y2> it crashes
[08:20] <Seaboy> how can I reset xorg settings to default?
[08:20] <eagle_y2> displayes KDE 4.1 one hdd icon then keyboard stops responding
[08:21] <vasilisa> Seaboy: usually sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh does it... but back up your xorg before doing that
[08:22] <Seaboy> ﻿vasilisa: and you think it may solve my problem?
[08:23] <vasilisa> Seaboy: Perhaps. Another way is to run envy-ng, it makes xorg for you and installs the latest driver for your gfx card
[08:23] <eagle_y2> jussi01 can u figure out
[08:24] <Seaboy> ﻿vasilisa: thanks, i'm going to try it
[08:24] <vasilisa> cool
[08:24] <vasilisa> ahem so anyway
[08:24] <vasilisa>  "Unable to create io-slave. klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'trash'.
[08:24] <vasilisa> i dont like that bug, any ideas?
[08:25] <ardchoille> vasilisa: when do you get that error?
[08:25] <vasilisa> ardchoille: When i try to delete a picture in gwenview
[08:26] <ardchoille> ok
[08:27] <eagle_y2> guys kubuntu 8.10 is crashing after i m entering my login details ? any idea
[08:27] <ardchoille> eagle_y2: any useful info in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[08:28] <eagle_y2> not tried w8 i ll chk
[08:33] <ardchoille> I guess not
[08:40] <Seaboy> how can I use envy to install my driver in console mode?
[08:41] <ardchoille> !envy | Seaboy
[08:42] <Seaboy> ﻿ubottu: I have a problem with my desktop that only shows a white screen, sb told me it may help
[08:45] <ardchoille> !bot | Seaboy
[08:45] <ardchoille> Seaboy: Have you tried asking in the forums?
[08:46] <roy_> how to do manual updates in kubuntu?
[08:47] <ardchoille> roy_: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:48] <roy_> ardchoille: is there a update manager as compare to ubuntu?
[08:48] <noaXess> if i print eg from firefox or gimp, i can't change the printing orientation: portrait or landscape.. any idea why?
[08:48] <ardchoille> roy_: No idea, I always do it from command line
[08:48] <Seaboy> ﻿ardchoille: no, I just have one desktop, and the problem happened for that, and now I'm in live mode so I need to get my answer fast
[08:49] <ardchoille> Seaboy: there's another channel you might try
[08:49] <ardchoille> !forums | Seaboy
[08:49] <ardchoille> noaXess: those apps are gtk-based, you might try asking in #ubuntu
[08:50] <noaXess> ardchoille: okay.. but do you use firefox on kubuntu?
[08:50] <ardchoille> noaXess: I do
[08:51] <noaXess> and printing? have you ever print a site and tried in lanscape oriantation?
[08:51] <ardchoille> but I've never owned a printer
[08:51] <noaXess> aha :)
[08:51] <noaXess> ardchoille: is there a gtk settings tool within kubuntu?
[08:52] <ardchoille> noaXess: not for printing and the like
[08:52] <noaXess> ok
[08:53] <eagle_y2j> kubuntu crashing at login any help
[08:53] <exia_> hi guys.. can anybody tell me how to disable NAT or send packets from localhost to global net? i mean my shoutcast server works perfect on localhost:8000, but i also use no-ip daemon which also works perfect... but when i try to add :8000 to my domain, it doenst want to load anything
[08:53] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: did you find any info in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[08:53] <exia_> so shoutcast informs me that i must disable some nat, firewall etc.
[08:53] <eagle_y2j> its says permission denied
[08:54] <exia_> yes
[08:54] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: aha :)
[08:54] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille i tried sudo ~/.xsession-errors too
[08:54] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: do you get permission denied when trying to open ~/.xsession-errors?
[08:54] <eagle_y2j> then it proclaims file not found stuff
[08:55] <eagle_y2j> yup
[08:55] <ardchoille> there's the problem
[08:55] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: sudo chown $USER:$USER ~/.xsession-errors
[08:56] <eagle_y2j> user to be replaced with my user name ?
[08:56] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: you can run it as I posted it
[08:56] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: also check and see if root owns any other files in your home:  find /home/$USER -user root
[08:57] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: root shouldn't own anything in your home dir
[08:57] <eagle_y2j> sudo chown $USER:$USER ~/.xsession-errors results :cannot access
[08:58] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: ls -lha ~/.xsession-errors
[08:58] <ardchoille> who owns that file?
[08:59] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille it says no such file
[09:00] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: ok, you just told me that you got permission denied while trying to open that file, now you're saying it doesn't exist?
[09:01] <exia_> how should I disable NAT through shell?
[09:01] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille i typed  :-   /home/$USER -user root
[09:01] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: find /home/$USER -user root
[09:02] <ardchoille> that finds all files on your home owned by root
[09:04] <eagle_y2j> it results nothing
[09:04] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: does ~/.xsession-errors exist?
[09:05] <eagle_y2j> yes its there
[09:05] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: who owns it?
[09:05] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: open ~/.xsession-errors and see if there is any info about crashes
[09:07] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille does this takes time to open ?
[09:07] <eagle_y2j> as it has accepted command but nothing turns up
[09:08] <ardchoille> what command did you issue?
[09:08] <eagle_y2j> open ~/.xsession-errors
[09:09] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: that won't do anything, my fault for not making these commands easier
[09:09] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: nano ~/.xsession-errors
[09:09] <mike-solidus> hey, i'm on the beta and i want to upgrade to the new stable, how do i do this? i cant use the standerd adept_manager because it no longer exists. I found out adept manager is an option but the --dist-upgrade does not work
[09:09] <ardchoille> nano is a command line editor, you can use f8 to scroll page-by-page and f7 to scroll back up
[09:10] <exia_> !NAT
[09:10] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille it opened up
[09:12] <favro> mike-solidus: iirc just updating will do it
[09:13] <ardchoille> mike-solidus: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:13] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille last line of log looks like an error :--- kwin(5330) couldn't start knotify from knotify4.desktop :"KDEInit could not 1$
[09:13] <ardchoille> favro: Thanks, I had missed his question
[09:13] <favro> np
[09:14] <mike-solidus> ardchoille: hmm that only updated 2 things, which means i guess i got some problems with 8.10, my kwin crashes on startup everytime
[09:15] <ardchoille> mike-solidus: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:15] <ardchoille> mike-solidus: "update" updates your software sources
[09:16] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: I'm not sure how I can help with that
[09:16] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille nyways thankx for u r kind support
[09:17] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: sorry I couldn't help you more, but stick around, I'm sure someone can help
[09:18] <eagle_y2j> yup! still digging google
[09:19] <Machtin> heyho.. where does korganizer store its default-calender? i want to delete every single item..
[09:20] <ardchoille> Machtin: I was just working with that. Try ~/.kde/share/config/kresources/calendar
[09:20] <eagle_y2j> kubuntu crashing after entering login any help ?
[09:20] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: I'm pretty sure it's kwin (the kde window manager) that's causing the problem.
[09:22] <Machtin> thanks
[09:22] <eagle_y2j> yup i too think so the kwin loading screen is crashing and hanging my keyboard
[09:22]  * DreadKnight @  anyone knows a good pixel font creator* ?
[09:24] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille it looks somewhat same to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/281950
[09:25] <ardchoille> Machtin: That wasn't it, I found the correct file: ~/.kde/share/apps/korganizer/std.ics
[09:25] <Machtin> ardchoille: so did i.. but you led me to it :) thanks
[09:25] <ardchoille> yw :)
[09:27] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: sounds like it
[09:28] <eagle_y2j> but really i can't figure out is it fixed or still a bug
[09:30] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: it's clearly still a bug
[09:30] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: Give it some time, I'm sure the devs are working on it
[09:35] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille just wasted 700mb for kubuntu
[09:36] <eagle_y2j> seems i hav to switch back to suse
[09:36] <stefan__> !vnc
[09:36] <ardchoille> eagle_y2j: Hold on, Hardy is quite stable, I'm sticking with Hardy until 9.04
[09:37] <ardchoille> in fact Hardy impressed me enough to draw me completely away from gnome
[09:37] <eagle_y2j> hmmm.. is there any known issue for  i845 board
[09:38] <ardchoille> I don't know, I've never seen many bugs in Dapper, Gutsy or Hardy
[09:40] <eagle_y2j> ardchoille" hopes so and +ve for my hardy test
[09:50] <shoaib> Hello...
[09:51] <shoaib> cud anyone help me with gyachi
[09:51] <shoaib> i some how disabled viewing offline buddies
[09:51] <shoaib> i.e.. only online buddies are visible...
[09:52] <shoaib> how to change the setting for viewing the offline buddies too
[09:52] <shoaib> Hellllllloooooooooo
[09:54] <JP-sNL3> shoaib: it'll be in your setting probably, but i don't know/use gyachi
[09:57] <woody86> how can I make Konversation start when the computer starts?
[10:06] <JP-sNL3> woody86: heh... good question, but i don't shut konversation down when i shutdown kubuntu and that makes it re-appear when i boot into kubuntu afterwards
[10:06] <JP-sNL3> that probably is not the best way but it works for now
[10:06] <JP-sNL3> hihi
[10:06] <JP-sNL3> ;-)
[10:07] <woody86> JP-sNL3: oh, I didn't know it did that automatically :D Are you putting your system in hibernate, or fully shutting down?
[10:08] <faileas> fully shutting down
[10:08] <faileas> it rememebers
[10:11] <woody86> does anyone know how to get the 5-A-Day applet showing? It's installed, but not listed under my applets??
[10:12] <JP-sNL3> woody86: i shut it down completely since i move back and forth from kubuntu to win98se on a multiboot box here
[10:12] <woody86> JP-sNL3: ah, ok :) good to know
[10:13] <JP-sNL3> woody86: but i am sure there must be a proper way to startup programs when logging in
[10:14]  * JP-sNL3 is quite new at this kubuntu stuff but has been playing around with linux for some time: they are all different! hahaha
[10:15] <Seaboy> please help me get my desktop back, I just have a white screen after logging in
[10:17] <JP-sNL3> Seaboy: this is a wild guess mind, but try [Alt]+[F2] and enter kicker... it works on my knoppix kde...
[10:19] <Seaboy> ﻿JP-sNL3: alt+f2 doesn't work, but I can use it in console mode, I'll try it, but what doea this command do?
[10:20] <JP-sNL3> it re-starts the desktop i think
[10:20] <JP-sNL3> ...or redraws
[10:21] <JP-sNL3> aaah, wait a minute... your not into X windows at all are you Seaboy?
[10:21] <JP-sNL3> you just have console mode don't you?
[10:21] <belim> i am having a few issues with display management. I am running on a Dell E6500 laptop and when plugging in a vga monitor or dvi one using the docking station it doest work well at all! the external display is really glitchy and unusable!
[10:21] <jussi01> Seaboy: which version are you on?
[10:23] <Seaboy> ﻿jussi01: no, splash screen is ok and after logging in, nothing. 8.10
[10:24] <ardchoille> the command "kicker" won't work on kde4 will it?
[10:25] <jussi01> ardchoille: nope
[10:25] <ardchoille> that's what I thought
[10:25] <jussi01> Seaboy: go to /.kde/share/config/kwinrc and check that compositing is not enabled:
[10:25] <jussi01> [Compositing]
[10:25] <jussi01> Enabled=true
[10:26] <Seaboy> ﻿JP-sNL3: ﻿no, splash screen is ok and after logging in, nothing.
[10:26] <jussi01> that is enabled ^^
[10:26] <marekt> hi what is the easyest way to share files between two linux computers?
[10:26] <marekt> *easiest
[10:26] <jussi01> marekt: sftp
[10:26] <marekt> is it gui?
[10:27] <faileas> marekt: if they both run KDE, i tend to use fish. else i have a common SMB server for my network.
[10:27] <Seaboy> ﻿jussi01: it's not, I,m sure I've disabled it
[10:27] <JP-sNL3> Seaboy: do what jussi01 suggests
[10:27] <jussi01> Seaboy: just check please
[10:28] <jussi01> marekt: just open konqueror and do sftp://ip.address.of.machine
[10:28] <marekt> faileas i tried gfish bbut i get only "could not connect to host"
[10:28] <marekt> jussi01 i opened it and i can see a dialog with error about problem with sh
[10:28] <marekt> something on router?
[10:32] <Seaboy> ﻿jussi01, ﻿JP-sNL3: this is the whole content of the file : http://paste.ubuntu.com/67842/
[10:35] <andy151> Hi guys. Just thinking about upgrading from 8.04 REMIX to 8.10. Can anyone tell me, does 8.10 use/upgrade the .kde4 directory, or will it upgrade my old kde3 .kde directory? I'd like it to use my .kde4 (even if that involves renaming it etc)
[10:35] <marekt> ok i done it with installind openssh-server
[10:35] <marekt> can you tell me about the speed? it is awful - about 40 kBps, should be much much more
[10:35] <Seaboy> ﻿jussi01: any idea?
[10:35] <Seaboy> ﻿JP-sNL3: any idea?
[10:36] <jussi01> Seaboy: what did you do to cause this? what were your actions last time it was working?
[10:38] <Seaboy> ﻿jussi01: I've installed nvidia-glx-173, but after that I worked with it for hours, and suddenly screen got white, i'm sure I didn't do any thing in that moment,
[10:40] <jussi01> Seaboy: I would try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:40] <jussi01> Seaboy: although that might land you at busybox when booting afterwards
[10:41] <Seaboy> ﻿Seaboy: I've tried ﻿sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg phigh, but nothing changed
[10:43] <Seaboy> ﻿jussi01: ﻿I've tried ﻿sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg phigh, but nothing changed
[10:43] <jussi01> Seaboy: I have one other suggestion, but its a little drastic and means you will lose all of your kde settings, but you can try: mv .kde .kdeold
[10:43]  * JP-sNL3 is clueless at this point... wow... although i notice that the suggestion jussi01 makes does NOT include phigh
[10:46] <Seaboy> ﻿jussi01: thanks, I'm gonna try it
[10:52] <studente> hjjjk
[10:53] <belim> does anyone know how to get the intel X4500HD fully functioning ?
[10:53] <belim> i have a standard install of kubuntu 8.10
[10:54] <_virgio_> andrewwwwwwwww
[10:54] <MoLkina> ciaooooo
[10:54] <_virgio_> mylove
[10:54] <MoLkina> ke figata
[10:54] <MoLkina> ma ke cavolo [_
[10:54] <MoLkina> }[__
[10:54] <MoLkina> è??
[10:54] <_virgio_> e cioè????
[10:54] <_virgio_> ah
[10:54] <_virgio_> puppa
[10:54] <belim> using intel_agp as far as i can tell
[10:54] <_virgio_> ciao belim
[10:54] <_virgio_> xD
[10:55] <MoLkina> ki sei?
[10:55] <belim> _virgio_ what?
[10:55] <_virgio_> ciao belim
[10:55] <MoLkina> ??
[10:55] <_virgio_> nothing belim
[10:56] <_virgio_> mofux?
[10:56] <sampo> suomen kielisiä paikalla?
[10:56] <MoLkina> ma ki è sta gente?
[10:56] <belim> the build in compiz stuff doesnt work overly well, and plugging in external LCD displays with vga or dvi through the docking station (its a dell e6500 laptop) the display is really glitchy!
[10:56] <studente_> non lo so
[10:56] <_virgio_> studente?
[10:56] <m4dn4n0> io
[10:56] <favro> !it | _virgio_ MoLkina
[10:56] <_virgio_> ah, ciao roghiiiiiiii
[10:56] <MoLkina> ciao roghi!
[10:56] <mofux> yo?
[10:56] <m4dn4n0> alleluia
[10:57] <_virgio_> ah, srry
[10:57] <_virgio_> *sorry
[10:57] <favro> np
[10:57] <MoLkina> why?
[10:57] <_virgio_> we must speak in english
[10:57] <MoLkina> oi
[10:57] <sampo> okay
[10:57] <_virgio_> hi sampo
[10:57] <sampo> hi
[10:58] <_virgio_> how are you?
[10:58] <maxxer> is there any way to keep icon placement on kde4 in desktop view?
[10:58] <_virgio_> eh?
[10:58] <sampo> I am just loading my first ubuntu program
[10:59] <sampo> okay -kubuntu
[11:07] <lokai> uh what replaced the "scale" effect in KDE 4?
[11:11] <jussi01> Seaboy: so no luck?
[11:12] <Seaboy> ﻿jussi01: no
[11:12] <Seaboy> ﻿jussi01: this is my xorg.0.log : ﻿http://paste.ubuntu.com/67858/
[11:13] <jussi01> Seaboy: pastebin your xorg.conf please
[11:16] <Seaboy> ﻿jussi01: here it is : http://paste.ubuntu.com/67859/
[11:17] <jussi01> Seaboy: and you said you were using nvidia binary driver?
[11:18] <Seaboy> ﻿ jussi01: yes, but after this problem I tried to remove it in console mode, and I don't know if it is removed or not, because there were some errors
[11:20] <jussi01> yeah, it is because its using the nv driver now. I would say try installing the binary driver again, then running nvidias config util - i think its called nvidia-xconfig
[11:22] <Seaboy> ﻿jussi01: you mean I should install nvidia-glx-legacy ?
[11:22] <jussi01> Seaboy: which card do you have?
[11:22] <Seaboy> ﻿ jussi01: geforce fx5500
[11:23] <jussi01> Seaboy: and you had legacy on that before? or?
[11:24] <Seaboy> no, I've installed 173
[11:26] <Seaboy> ﻿jussi01: ﻿no, I've installed 173
[11:28] <jussi01> Seaboy: 1 sec
[11:29] <ardchoille> Kernel update for 8.10
[11:30] <ardchoille> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-662-1
[11:30] <ardchoille> Gotta love akregator :)
[11:31] <jussi01> Seaboy: no, please reinstall the one you had
[11:32] <Seaboy> ﻿ jussi01: ok thanks
[11:32] <zeno> is it possible to switch back to ktorrent kde3? when I upgraded to 8.10 it upgraded it to kde4 ver and that crashes a TON
[11:32] <jussi01> Seaboy: then after installing, run nvidia-xconfig
[11:33] <jussi01> zeno: dont think so - although there should be an update to it soon - saw something on the devel list about it
[11:33] <shaka> Is anyone having a few sound problems with ibex?
[11:34] <jussi01> !anyone | shaka
[11:36] <shaka> My startup sound starts then ends abruptly, and also the on-screen sound indicator bar does not work. Anyone with the same issues? Kubuntu ibex on acer aspire 5720ZG
[11:37] <ardchoille> jussi01: what exactly does nvidia-xconfig do? Does it just edit xorg.conf to add the driver?
[11:37] <dwidmann> ardchoille: more or less
[11:37] <ardchoille> thought so
[11:38] <dwidmann> ardchoille: has a number of useful switches for what will be added to it as well
[11:38] <ardchoille> oh, nice
[11:38] <jussi01> shaka: right click the sound icon in your tray, then select master channel to select the correct channel that controls your card.
[11:40] <shaka> jussi01: I did and right now"front" is selected. Should it be anything other than that?
[11:41] <dwidmann> shaka: I would think it might be "master" or "pcm" ... if there are options for such
[11:41] <jussi01> shaka: its dependant on your machine, many use front, some use pcm others master - have a play
[11:41] <shaka> jussi01: Wow thanks. I tried Most and PCM is the right one
[11:41] <ganga> kubuntu always defaults to 800x640 resolution during reboot?
[11:41] <jussi01> shaka: :)
[11:42] <ganga> how come anyone got any idea?
[11:42] <shaka> dwidmann: thanks for your input too. This place rocks
[11:42] <ganga> anyone's desktop acting that way?
[11:42] <maxxer> is there any way to keep icon placement on kde4 in desktop folder view?
[11:43] <amdpox> What's the easiest way to get KDE4.2 (snapshot or dev repository, don't care) running on kubuntu 8.10?
[11:44] <jussi01> amdpox: wait? :D
[11:44] <ardchoille> :)
[11:44] <amdpox> hehe
[11:44] <amdpox> probably won't be stable before jaunty :P
[11:44] <amdpox> also, is there an oxygen theme for qt3?
[11:45] <amdpox> all the kde3 apps look like plastiky ass
[11:46] <dwidmann> Which reminds me, my sound card is a bit weird .... http://www.xnowherex.com/images/kmix.png
[11:50] <jussi01> amdpox: I think there is  - have a look on kdelook
[11:52] <dig> ganga: did you mean even you change the resolution, but it won't persist
[11:53] <ziroday> Hi, I can't find kooka anymore. Where did it go?
[11:54] <ganga> dig: it wont persist
[11:54] <ardchoille> ziroday: I don't think it exists in the repos
[11:54] <ziroday> ardchoille: it did before
[11:54] <jussi01> !info skanlite | ziroday
[11:54] <ganga> dig: when i go to the displayof system settings it changes again, so i have to do this every boot
[11:54] <ardchoille> ziroday:  yes, but the repos change with new releases now and then
[11:54] <ziroday> jussi01: thanks :), didn't realise it got renamed
[11:54] <jussi01> :)
[11:55] <ardchoille> I must have missed that memo
[11:55] <ziroday> jussi01: you might want to update the !scanners factoid
[11:56] <jussi01> !scanners
[11:56] <dig> I am not sure about this. Did you try System->KRandRTray Screen Resize & Rotate
[11:57] <ganga> dig lemme try that, lemme restart
[11:59] <amdpox> whoa, any reason adept doesn't listen to system settings for font sizes?
[11:59] <jussi01> !scanners
[12:09] <exia_> can anyone help me? i have a problem with access from internet, no one can access or just ping my serv... localhost works good, i can even open my web-site through domain name (no-ip.com), but in general its not opened to public... :(
[12:11] <exia_> i have NAT switched on, firewall..hmm, only iptables, configured by the documentation, so web traffic should go but it doenst
[12:11] <blackflag> Hello alll :) how can I start VNC before login as a user. I want to see kdm over vnc and want to login than
[12:11] <blackflag> or is there another solution?
[12:11] <blackflag> can someone help?
[12:15] <lokai> what replaces the 'scale' effect in KDE 4?
[12:25] <woody86> how can I change the name of my network device from eth2 to wlan0?
[12:30] <mefisto__> I can't seem to load comments on any pages from www.guardian.co.uk    can someone try to load a page with comments on firefox or konqueror (e.g. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/may/18/foundthedustbinofhistory )
[12:33] <exia_> hey guys
[12:33] <exia_> do i really need to have the same information from "route" in /etc/networks ?
[12:36] <lokai> ok...does anyone know how to get the scale effect workign on kwin outof the box kde 4?
[12:36] <exia_> sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeping...
[12:37] <lokai> ok...does anyone know how to get the scale effect workign on kwin outof the box kde 4?
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> lokai: move your mouse to the top left corner
[12:40] <aapzak> lokai: ctrl-F10 does the same
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> the effect is called "Present Windows" in KWin
[12:41] <dig> mefisto__: it works for me
[12:41] <aapzak> all windows, including the ones on other desktops
[12:42] <mefisto__> dig: did you try firefox or konqueror?
[12:43] <aapzak> I need some help with konsole. I dislike the appearance. Monospace 8 does not do the same for me as monospace 8 on gnome-terminal
[12:43] <aapzak> it seems konsole takes more vertical spacing
[12:43] <dig> mefisto__: FF
[12:44] <lokai> aapzak: it doesn't work, either one.
[12:44] <lokai> neither do my shortcut kets from 8.04/kde3
[12:44] <aapzak> lokai: in that case you might not have desktop effects
[12:44] <lokai> kwin is installed...
[12:44] <aapzak> that functionality is part of the eyecandy I think
[12:45] <lokai> aapzak: could you elaborate?
[12:45] <aapzak> lokai: I stepped in after you asked your question, what is it exactly?
[12:45] <lokai> ok...does anyone know how to get the scale effect workign on kwin outof the box kde 4?
[12:46] <aapzak> you should check your system settings: desktop -> desktop effects, tab all effects
[12:47] <lokai> where is scale?
[12:47] <lokai> it is not on the list.
[12:47] <JontheEchidna> the effect is called "Present Windows" in KWin, as I said before
[12:47] <aapzak> thatone I see inthere
[12:47] <lokai> sorry JontheEchidna, must have missed that.
[12:47] <lokai> lets try.
[12:47] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[12:48] <amdpox> is it normal for kwin4 with compositing to be lots, lots slower than compiz?
[12:48] <aapzak> click on the wrench, see if you have any keys or locations set
[12:48] <aapzak> amdpox: is always has been
[12:48] <amdpox> ok then
[12:48] <aapzak> amdpox: actually it has gotten much much better recently , but not as fast as compiz yet
[12:48] <lokai> ok, it doesn't work though -- they hotkeys/hotcorners do nothing
[12:48] <amdpox> no shiny-but-integrated-with-kde4 effects for me then :(
[12:48] <lokai> yes, everything is enabled.
[12:49] <aapzak> lokai: you have shortcuts? and they don't work?
[12:49] <lokai> that is correct, aapzak
[12:49] <aapzak> weird :)
[12:50] <lokai> POS kde4.
[12:51] <aapzak> lokai: maybe you don't have accelerated desktop, is your videocard supported?
[12:51] <aapzak> can you run glxgears at a reasonable rate?
[12:51] <lokai> yes.
[12:51] <cuznt> !glxgears
[12:51] <lokai> i had compiz working fine, as well.
[12:51] <aapzak> in that case ... I cannot help you
[12:52] <aapzak> I'm sorry but I'm by no means a (k)ubuntu expert
[12:52] <aapzak> which brings me back to my own question, anyone here with some konsole experience, especially tweaking the app itself?
[12:55] <aapzak> please, anyone? I can't believe I'm using gnome-terminal in kde  :)
[13:05] <scribbles> I just did 22 updates through adept and now my Kubuntu is Ubuntu!
[13:08]  * exia_ is away: Gone away for now
[13:10] <scribbles> anyone else having the new updates problem?
[13:15] <kalorin> [08:06] <scribbles> I just did 22 updates through adept and now my Kubuntu is Ubuntu!
[13:15] <kalorin> was it 8.10 or something else?
[13:26] <Koordin> hi, i have here a very confusing problem : i've upgraded to 8.10 and now the display on my desktop is totally buggy : there are some black lines that appears every second everywhere on the screen ; my drivers are up-to-date (nvidia-glx-177) and i've already try to reinstall kubuntu-desktop or xserver-xorg ; could someone help me please ?
[13:31] <lokai> KDE 4 is such a POS. Holy shit. Its unusuable after I upgraded from KDE3.
[13:31] <jussi01> !ohmy | lokai
[13:31] <kalorin> I actually like 4 better
[13:31] <lokai> ohmy
[13:31] <kalorin> but I've been using it a while side by side with 3
[13:31] <lokai> ohmy
[13:32] <kalorin> what video chipset do you have?
[13:32] <lokai> intel integrated stuff
[13:32] <scribbles> is there a guide posted on creating users and giving them login access via ssh?
[13:32] <lokai> scribbles: just used addusr
[13:32] <lokai> adduser *
[13:32] <lokai> !adduser
[13:33] <scribbles> this will allow them to login remotely via PuTTy?
[13:33] <lokai> yes
[13:33] <lokai> I HATE KDE4
[13:33] <kalorin> what specifically do you hate about it?
[13:33] <lokai> none of the effects work (they ARE enabled), not of my previous hotkeys work
[13:33] <lokai> and there is no minimize/maximize button
[13:33] <lokai> HAR HAR
[13:33] <kalorin> the only real complaint that I've got is that some of the stuff that you put in the panels doesn't size well when the panel is put on the side of the screen rather than on top and bottom
[13:34] <lokai> its a broken system for me.
[13:34] <lokai> no idea why
[13:34] <kalorin> but that's almost more a complaint about this stupid 16:9 aspect that everything is going to
[13:34] <lokai> NO IDEA
[13:34] <scribbles> whats the default port for putty/ssh?
[13:34] <jussi01> lokai: whichh version are you using?
[13:34] <jussi01> scribbles: 22
[13:34] <lokai> jussi01: the latest
[13:34] <stdin> schmidtm: ssh uses port 22, make sure your server has the "ssh" package installed
[13:34] <kalorin> so 8.10?
[13:34] <kalorin> did you do a clean install or an upgrade?
[13:34] <lokai> upgrade
[13:34] <lokai> and yes, 8.10
[13:35] <kalorin> cause kde4 isn't going to be compatible with the old kde3 settings in a lot of cases I'm thinking
[13:35] <kalorin> so you're going to need to go set things up
[13:35] <lokai> apparently not. but it shouldn't let you 'upgrade' if it needs a 'clean install'
[13:35] <kalorin> the widgets on the desktop and stuff are all new and really different form the kde3 versions
[13:35] <lokai> 'upgrade' ~= 'clean install'
[13:35] <lokai> idiots.
[13:35] <kalorin> well
[13:35] <lokai> (not you all)
[13:35] <kalorin> you've upgraded teh OS in all fairness
[13:35] <kalorin> and kde4 is installed, it likely used what settings were similar and it could figure out
[13:36] <kalorin> but it's not going to magically transform your previous settings from kde3 apps into kde4 apps settings and make it 100% the same
[13:36] <kalorin> that be an awful lot to ask
[13:36] <lokai> don't expect it to. I expect it to be usuable, though.
[13:36] <kalorin> ati video card?
[13:36] <bazhang> lokai, it is usable.
[13:36] <lokai> no, integreated intel
[13:36] <kalorin> do you ahve the HUGE font thing going on?
[13:36] <bazhang> lokai, this is a support channel; do you have an actual support question
[13:37] <lokai> no, I had tiny font at the beginning. THAT was one thing I could change
[13:37] <kalorin> where you can't get the windows text to a font size that's under like 1/4 of the screen?
[13:37] <lokai> bazhang: I've asked already, no one can help. Can you? haha.
[13:37] <kalorin> oh I had the HUGe font thing going when I did my laptop to 8.04
[13:38] <bazhang> lokai, I see no questions.
[13:38] <lokai> fine. here goes
[13:38] <kalorin> I keep thinking about doing this machine with kde4 version but it's a work machine and I really want to wait another week or two to let some more patches come out
[13:38] <kalorin> though my 8.04 remix install on the laptop at home is super solid
[13:38] <scribbles> I did apt-get autoremove proftpd and reloaded KUser but there's still a proftpd user in the menu, is it safe to remove it?
[13:39] <ralpho> hide panel change width not length cashew sliders dont do that. how to.
[13:39] <lokai> Why can I not configure keybindings? (They are there, but don't work) Why do no desktop effects work? (They are enabled) Why can I not see a minimize/maximize/close toolbar on my GUI apps?
[13:39] <lokai> there goes my question
[13:39] <stdin> scribbles: it's probably safe, but there's no real need to remove it. it does no harm
[13:39] <lokai> ;)
[13:39] <jussi01> !netsplit
[13:40] <ralpho> ah man
[13:40] <scribbles> thanks stdin
[13:40] <lokai> whee yet again
[13:40] <lokai> Why can I not configure keybindings? (They are there, but don't work) Why do no desktop effects work? (They are enabled) Why can I not see a minimize/maximize/close toolbar on my GUI apps?
[13:41] <kalorin> perhaps you've got a theme selected that's no longer part of the distribution?
[13:41] <Koordin> hi, i have here a very confusing problem : i've upgraded to 8.10 and now the display on my desktop is totally buggy : there are some black lines that appears every second everywhere on the screen ; my drivers are up-to-date (nvidia-glx-177) and i've already try to reinstall kubuntu-desktop or xserver-xorg ; could someone help me please ?
[13:41] <kalorin> btw, has anyone had any issues with 64bit 8.10?
[13:41] <bazhang> lokai, you have compiz running?
[13:41] <ralpho> panel can you change width not length and hide it or not
[13:41] <lokai> bazhang: No. I tried to do that, it didn't seem to work either. Right now, compiz is not on my machine.
[13:42] <scribbles> when adding a user in KUser what is the Account Disabled default checked for?
[13:42] <bazhang> lokai, you are referring to native kde4 desktop effects then?
[13:42] <ralpho> good thing there is still gnome in the mean time
[13:44] <lokai> bazhang: yes, the native kwin effects.
[13:44] <lokai> but its totally broken anyways, even without the effects
[13:44] <bazhang> lokai, perhaps your machine is older and not up to the requirements.
[13:45] <lokai> bullsh
[13:45] <scribbles> how do I ensure that the new user I'm creating in KUser does not have access to sudo, by default it seems as if they're on the same level as I am
[13:45] <lokai> I was runnign kde3/8.04 fine
[13:45] <lokai> with all the glx effects.
[13:45] <bazhang> lokai, try lxde
[13:45] <lokai> bazhang: do you know what you're talking about?
[13:45] <zbenjamin> hi guys
[13:45] <bazhang> lokai, lxde is much easier on ram, and cpu cycles
[13:46] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install lxde
[13:46] <zbenjamin> i just updated to the newest kubuntu release, but after the last update i cannot login anymore i always taken back to the login screen
[13:46] <lokai> bazhang: Nice 'support', thanks bud.
[13:46] <lokai> You should recommend I install windows, its easier.
[13:47] <jussi01> zbenjamin: from the kubuntu release notes: Can not login after upgrade from Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4 Remix. After an upgrade from Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4 Remix, logging in will return directory to the login screen again. The x-session-manager alternative link is not correctly updated. Select "KDE" from the Session Menu before logging in and fix it with update-alternatives --set x-session-manager /usr/bin/startkde. (Bug 287488).
[13:47] <bazhang> lokai, what system specs
[13:48] <jussi01> lokai: you can try resetting your settings by renaming the ~/.kde  folder.
[13:48] <lokai> jussi01: I'll try that.
[13:49] <scribbles> how do I ensure that the new user I created cannot access sudo?
[13:49] <jussi01> lokai: best do that while you are logged out - from a tty. after that login again
[13:49] <lokai> all right I can ssh in from another machine. What are the problems if I mv while in this session?
[13:50] <lokai> scribbles: don't tell them the password.
[13:50] <Pici> scribbles: Do not put them in the admin group.
[13:50] <jussi01> lokai: as its the "curret working dir" for settings, it can sometimes not mv cleanly/ have things written to it from the old settings
[13:50] <lokai> kk, be back
[13:51] <zbenjamin> btw where does kdm store the last used windowmanager?
[13:52] <zbenjamin> i realized if i change the wm when logged in it will load the last used one
[13:54] <zbenjamin> so i used kwin in my last xfce session and now it always crashes when i try to login :(
[13:54] <lokai> jussi01: Thanks for the suggestion, it seems to have fixed all the problems. I wish they would warn users that they can't migrate their kde3 settings to kde4.
[13:55] <jussi01> lokai: there is some stuff in the release notes, sometimes it does funky things. it happens with a new major release.
[14:02] <bibstha> sunwukong: hello
[14:09] <lokai> hm I closed the 'panel' that is at the bottom of the screen by default. I've added one, but it added to the top of the screen. How do I move it down to the bottom?
[14:10] <kalorin> click the little crescent thing
[14:10] <kalorin> when that opens the "settings" menu thingy you can then drag it to the side of the screen you want it on
[14:10] <kalorin> its' not very intuitive and I didn't realize how to do that for a while
[14:11] <lokai> got it, thanks
[14:11] <lokai> my keybindings still don't work
[14:11] <mrhjkim> Hi.
[14:11] <kalorin> can't help there, sorry, I don't use keybindings
[14:12] <mrhjkim> I got some problem in sound driver and internal mic is not working and I searched internet and succeded in making it work.
[14:12]  * bluecopper greets everyone with humility
[14:13] <mrhjkim> but after rebooting, it also have the same problem.
[14:13] <xomp> can someone tell me how to remove KDE from a system? My mom is rather fond of Gnome and I put KDE on a while back and she wants it off to gain the disk space back.
[14:13] <lokai> hm, whats the kwin effect for (make this window transparent with I drag it)
[14:15] <lokai> xomp: couldn't you just use your package manager to get rid of it?
[14:15] <xomp> lokai, not sure, I used "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" but it pushed down like 700+Mb of other files with it. If I "apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop" it only removes like 50MB of the total 700+MB it downloaded :(
[14:16] <lokai> apt get remove kde
[14:16] <mrhjkim> I can make sound card work by this command "modprobe snd-hda-intel model=lg"
[14:16] <lokai> kubuntu-desktop package is ubuntu+KDE, I suspect.
[14:16] <bluecopper> i have a problem with kopete
[14:16] <mrhjkim> but how I configure to make it work after reboot
[14:17] <bazhang> !puregnome
[14:17] <bluecopper> everytime i try to use kopete the system slows up and the completely freezes
[14:18] <bluecopper> everytime i try to use kopete the system slows up and then completely freezes
[14:18] <kalorin> looks like it might make you repeat your typing too....
[14:18] <kalorin> ;)
[14:18] <kalorin> bluecopper, remove it's configuration if you can
[14:19] <kalorin> it'll be in the .kde directory in your homedirectory
[14:19] <kalorin> just do cd .kde
[14:19] <kalorin> find . -name "*kopete*"
[14:19] <bluecopper> well wud a config file be create if the no accounts have been created yet
[14:19] <kalorin> and move it to whatever it's name .bak
[14:19] <kalorin> and restart it
[14:19] <kalorin> yeah
[14:20] <kalorin> it's still going to store location on the desktop to open and size of the window and styles and all that jaz
[14:20] <kalorin> jazz
[14:20] <bluecopper> o i c
[14:20] <bluecopper> will try that and let u know
[14:20] <kalorin> sure
[14:21] <lokai> anyone get a keybinding for konsole to work under kde4?
[14:24] <scribbles> I created a user and I want them to be able to ssh via putty into my box, is ssh installed/enabled by default in kubuntu?
[14:24] <scribbles> if not, which package do I get?
[14:24] <Pici> scribbles: install the ssh package for the server and client.
[14:25] <sysstemlord> hey guys, does anybody have a problem with firefox not seeing flash player 10?
[14:25] <sysstemlord> and the problem is not from the location of the plugin
[14:25] <lokai> ~ssh
[14:25] <lokai> !ssh
[14:26] <Slylias> How can I disable my wireless card? I want to disable the internal wireless card on this laptop and use the USB one instead.
[14:26] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: you mean flash 10 is not installed in firefox? it doesn't appear in about:plugins ??
[14:26] <Seaboy> jussi01: hi, remember me?
[14:26] <sysstemlord> it doesn't
[14:27] <sysstemlord> i installed it from adept, and from the debian package
[14:27] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: and there is no other flash plugin listed?
[14:28] <sysstemlord> i even tried one thing, installed flash 9, and just replaced the file with that of flash ten, it disappeared from about:plugins
[14:28] <sysstemlord> no other
[14:28] <lokai> anyone have an idea why my keybinding for konsole isn't working?
[14:29] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: does /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so exist?
[14:29] <Slylias> How can I disable my wireless card? I want to disable the internal wireless card on this laptop and use the USB one instead.
[14:29] <sysstemlord> now it does because i have flash 9
[14:30] <sysstemlord> should i remove 9 and try?
[14:30] <kalorin> so does anyone have any experience with the 64bit Kubuntu 8.10 yet?
[14:30] <kalorin> any real gotcha's that make it less usable than the 32bit one?
[14:30] <kalorin> also, running core 2 duo chips, you're 64bit compatible right?
[14:31] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: but is flash 9 working in firefox?
[14:31] <sysstemlord> yes
[14:31] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: I installed flash 10 by just replacing libflashplayer.so v9 with the 10 version
[14:32] <sysstemlord> i tried that
[14:33] <sysstemlord> before replacing the file, it works in firefox
[14:33] <sysstemlord> but after replacing the file
[14:33] <sysstemlord> it disappears
[14:34] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: after replacing libflashplayer.so, did you restart firefox?
[14:34] <sysstemlord> yes of course, but only didn't restart the whole computer
[14:35] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: do you have /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so ?? On mine, that is a link to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[14:37] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: also, /etc/alternatives/firefox-flashplugin is linked to  /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[14:37] <sysstemlord> i have it linking to /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin
[14:38] <sysstemlord> which links to your file
[14:38] <mefisto__> mozilla-flashplugin also links to  /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so here
[14:39] <sysstemlord> yeah, that's the case, and now when i tried opening konqueror, it has flash 9 loaded
[14:39] <sysstemlord> but the file has been replaced
[14:39] <sysstemlord> but anyway, it doesn't seem to work in konqueror either
[14:40] <sysstemlord> but in konquror i don't get a message from youtube that flash is not installed, it just doesn't load the video
[14:40] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: you can specify where konqueror looks for plugins and in what order. in settings, configure konqueror, plugins
[14:42] <sysstemlord> does flash 10 require any other updates to the system?
[14:42] <sysstemlord> because the problem seems to be not only in firefox
[14:42] <xomp> thanks bazhang
[14:43] <aaroncampbell> Every time I need to reboot my newly upgraded 8.10 system, I have to run "compiz --replace &" ...in 8.04 I had a symbolic link in ~/.kde/Autostart/  to  /usr/bin/compiz
[14:44] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: you can untangle this web of symlinks and get it working, but if you have libflashplayer.so (or a symlink) in ~/.mozilla/plugins I think what's in there takes precedence over everything else. but that's only a per-user solution
[14:44] <aaroncampbell> That doesn't seem to work anymore...specifically, it seems to start and then die? (Wobbly Windows and my Rotating Cube seem to work at first, then stop as things are still loading)
[14:45] <sysstemlord> i'm gonna copy the file directly to firefox
[14:49] <kalorin> I can't even download the install cd for 8.10 right now
[14:50] <kalorin> I click the download button on the download page after picking a mirror and it just sits there
[14:50] <sysstemlord> no help
[14:51] <vcxcv> hi. how can I check the details of an ext3 partition, such as indoe size etc?
[14:51] <vcxcv> inode size*
[14:53] <genii> vcxcv: sudo tune2fs -l /dev/<partition-name>
[14:53] <genii> kalorin: Have you tried to wget it yet?
[14:53] <vcxcv> ty
[14:54] <genii> vcxcv: np
[14:54] <sysstemlord> i removed all link flash related and installed from the deb package, but this of course didn't change anything
[14:54] <sysstemlord> the problem seems to be from the plugin itself
[14:55] <lokai> keybindings are a mess in kde4.
[14:57] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: I have 2 computers running ubuntu with flash 10 running if firefox, seamonkey and konqueror without problems
[14:58] <sysstemlord> would it be a difference if it's kubuntu?
[14:58] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: no. I have kubuntu and xfce and flash 10 runs on either
[14:59] <sysstemlord> but if it can work, then it should really work if i replace the flash player 9 file with that of flash 10
[14:59] <sysstemlord> because it must be found
[15:00] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: was firefox installed from repos?
[15:01] <sysstemlord> i believe so, but it's in a strange folder called firefox-3.0.1, and when i install flash, it created a new folder called only firefox, but the same happens with flash 9 and it still works
[15:02] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: is this folder in your home dir?
[15:02] <sysstemlord> in /usr/lib
[15:04] <jussi01> Seaboy: yes, i remember you :)
[15:05] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: I have firefox and firefox-3.0.3 and firefox-addons
[15:06] <sysstemlord> i have this firefox-addons too, and inside it a link to the plugin folder inside mozilla
[15:06] <noobstyle> Hi :) Do i need AntiVirus, AntiSpyware, AntiSpam, Firewall on Kubuntu?
[15:06] <LjL> !virus
[15:06] <LjL> !firewall
[15:07] <noobstyle> !spyware
[15:07] <noobstyle> !spam
[15:07] <LjL> !msg the bot
[15:07] <scribbles> I'm following this here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto I created the SSH keys and have a public/private key now, is the public key only available to me as a user, do I login as each user and create a keypair for that user as well in their home directory following these instructions?
[15:07] <noobstyle> so no need to install anything :D?
[15:07] <genii> noobstyle: No antivirus is really needed unless you are scanning files you will later be using in Windows or so. Firewall is a good idea if you do the ISP login on your computer and not from a router.
[15:07] <LjL> noobstyle: not really
[15:08] <noobstyle> isp login?
[15:08] <noobstyle> i have a router - Dlink 120
[15:08] <noobstyle> Dir-120 it's called i think..
[15:08] <LjL> noobstyle: most DSL/cable routers act as NAT firewalls
[15:08] <genii> noobstyle: Then your computer does not have an external IP on the internet, just the router does
[15:08] <noobstyle> nice :)
[15:08] <noobstyle> So no need for firewall?
[15:08] <sysstemlord> i'm installing now a package called flashplayer-mozilla, inside flash 9
[15:08] <sysstemlord> i'll see what happens
[15:09] <genii> noobstyle: Not usually but you can still put one on if it makes you feel better :)
[15:09] <gbrandstoetter> i am tryin to establish a vpn connection, but i receive that error: "ISAKMP from unexpected address XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX" what does it mean?
[15:09] <noobstyle> genii: which one should i install? should i do it from Adept?
[15:10] <LjL> !software | noobstyle
[15:10] <noobstyle> its Kubuntu
[15:10] <mefisto__> sysstemlord: do you have /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so ?? that's a link to /etc/alternatives/firefox-flashplugin here (which links to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so )
[15:10] <LjL> noobstyle: you can use any method to install software on your computer, as long as it relies on APT, Ubuntu's software management backend
[15:10] <LjL> noobstyle: that includes Adept, apt-get and aptitude, among others
[15:10] <genii> noobstyle: The usual ones are Firestarter and Guarddog
[15:10] <noobstyle> Which one then :D?
[15:11] <lokai> sudo apt-get install <program>
[15:11] <LjL> !firewall | noobstyle, this talks about both gnome and kde, pick your choice
[15:11] <genii> noobstyle: For Kubuntu Adept is the default package manager
[15:11] <LjL> noobstyle: although personally, i'd say don't bother.
[15:11] <noobstyle> Yes. But i'm not sure what Gnome and Guarddog is
[15:11] <noobstyle> I use homebanking etc.. i want to be safe
[15:11] <lokai> Gnome is a desktop environment
[15:11] <noobstyle> yeS?
[15:11] <sysstemlord> yes that's what i have
[15:11] <lokai> KDE is another desktop environment
[15:12] <LjL> noobstyle: GNOME is the desktop environment used on Ubuntu, KDE is the one used on Kubuntu.
[15:12] <noobstyle> so i should take KDE?
[15:12] <LjL> noobstyle: i'd do that.
[15:12] <noobstyle> guarddog it is then
[15:12] <LjL> noobstyle: keep in mind that just blindly putting random security-related stuff on your computer doesn't automagically make you safe from attacks
[15:12] <noobstyle> Do i have to change anything to make my kubuntu kde ?
[15:12] <lokai> if you installed kubuntu, you are running KDE by default.
[15:12] <noobstyle> ok LjL.. :) should i make any changes before i install guarddog then?
[15:13] <LjL> if your router is doing NAT firewalling, then there's most likely not any reason to drop packets on your computer itself
[15:13] <noobstyle> installing Guarddog now :)
[15:13] <LjL> noobstyle, as i said, Ubuntu uses GNOME, Kubuntu uses KDE
[15:13] <LjL> !flavors
[15:13] <lokai> if you didn't have KDE (or another desktop environment), then you would not have any graphical output
[15:13] <noobstyle> ok.
[15:13] <noobstyle> it is installed now.
[15:13] <noobstyle> !styling
[15:13] <noobstyle> !style
[15:13] <LjL> !fishing
[15:14] <noobstyle> !vpn
[15:14] <genii> noobstyle: Just make sure you are choosing KDE as default session when logging in :)
[15:14] <lokai> lol I HATE kde 4
[15:14] <noobstyle> logging in? i disabled password on login
[15:14] <LjL> lokai: do you have a question for us?
[15:14] <noobstyle> i dont understand.. choosing kde ?
[15:14] <lokai> Sure LjL: why doesn't my keybinding for firefox work?
[15:15] <LjL> lokai: i don't know, what keybinding would that be for a start?
[15:15] <lokai> alt f
[15:15] <LjL> noobstyle, if you're running Kubuntu (and not Ubuntu, and never installed ubuntu-desktop), then you're using KDE.
[15:15] <lokai> there is quite a mess with how kde4 handles keybindings, in general.
[15:16] <noobstyle> Ok LjL. It have this VPN service called Relakks. It is PPTP VPN. Do you know how to set it up?
[15:16] <lokai> kglobalshortcutrc keeps getting appended, seemingly every time I access the gui keyboard shortcuts in systemsettings.
[15:18] <lokai> noobstyle: you can see what you are running by typing in "echo $DESKTOP_SESSION" in the konsole.
[15:18] <noobstyle> lokai it just says -SESSION
[15:19] <noobstyle> now it says default :D
[15:20] <lokai> export | grep DESKTOP_SESSION
[15:21] <lokai> shrug
[15:22] <lokai> !fishing
[15:23] <LjL> lokai: i can't use input actions on my Hardy, either.
[15:23] <lokai> Yep.
[15:23] <lokai> Hence my original comment
[15:23] <lokai> there are other problems
[15:23] <lokai> but this is pretty major
[15:24] <lokai> for me, anyways.
[15:24] <LjL> well you should file a bug, this is clearly not correct behavior
[15:24] <bazhang> !bugs
[15:24] <lokai> I find it very difficult to understand how something so fundamental could be overlooked
[15:25] <lokai> do a google search--other people have the same complaint
[15:25] <lokai> so, its not isolated
[15:25] <lokai> which makes me quite frustrated with that fact that it was released.
[15:25] <lokai> (and I upgraded)
[15:26] <lokai> I've had to trash my ~/.kde twice now because of a corrupted kglobalshortcutsrc
[15:26] <genii> !enter
[15:27] <lokai> thanks.
[15:28] <genii> noobstyle: If you have more than one desktop environment installed (like both KDE and Gnome for instance) then your login screen will let you decide at that time which one you want to use when you login
[15:29] <lokai> anyone figured out how to add custom functionality to the middle mouse button?
[15:30] <lokai> of course not.
[15:31] <genii> lokai: 60 seconds is not quite enough time for someone to look that up ;)
[15:31] <jussi01> lokai: yes, on a logitech mouse I can.
[15:32] <lokai> How did you do it? Going through systemsettings->advanced->input actions does not work for me
[15:33] <lokai> oh another quick question: Does the default "HELLO" (CRTL+ALT+H) work for anyone on a fresh install?
[15:33] <jussi01> lokai: on a logitech mouse youcan use a program called btnx - not in the repos, but there was a package floating round somewhere
[15:33] <lokai> jussi01: k thanks for the tip. I'm thinking of going back to compiz anyways, which does allow that functionality that I want
[15:34] <lokai> I fear that going back to compiz will mean going back to kde3, also.
[15:37] <lokai> jussi01: You using 8.10 with btnx? The developer says that 8.10 breaks it...http://www.ollisalonen.com/btnx/
[15:38] <jussi01> lokai: hadnt looked at it yet, but thats sad. :(
[15:39] <lokai> oh another quick question: Does the default "HELLO" (CRTL+ALT+H) work for anyone on a fresh install?
[15:40] <aaroncampbell> My printer (Brother MFC 9440cn) has stopped working since my upgrade to 8.10.  I don't even see where to set it up.  Where are the printers managed?
[15:41] <KDesk> aaroncampbell /usr/bin/system-config-printer-kde
[15:42] <KDesk> aaroncampbell it is also in the Kmenu
[15:42] <genii> lokai: I think ctrl-alt-h is supposed to hibernate
[15:42] <Seaboy> it is going to be 2days that I don't have my desktop, and nobody can help
[15:43] <lokai> genii: not according to the keyboard shortcuts entry. In any case nothing happens when I press it.
[15:43] <KDesk> How can I know from which package depends one package
[15:43] <lokai> genii: I am just wondering if anything happens for anyone.
[15:43] <KDesk> Seaboy: whats you problem?
[15:43] <ocs>  hi. suppose that I have myscript.sh.   How can i retrieve, inside the script itself, the directory where the script is located ?
[15:43] <KDesk> ocs: I think inside the script:  . otherscipr.sh
[15:44] <Seaboy> ﻿KDesk: when I login. I just have the mouse pointer and a white screen, and nothing else
[15:45] <aaroncampbell> KDesk: I can't find it in the KMenu
[15:45] <lokai> genii: cat ~/.kde/share/config/kglobalshortcutsrc | grep "Type 'Hello'"
[15:45] <KDesk> Seaboy: You have intrepid? is it a new install or an upgrade?
[15:45] <aaroncampbell> KDesk: but I have it running...now I need to find what happened :|
[15:45] <genii> lokai: Doesn't seem to do anything on my box here
[15:45] <lokai> kde3 or 4?
[15:46] <genii> lokai: Right now I'm on 3
[15:46] <lokai> ah hahahah!
[15:46] <Seaboy> ﻿KDesk: yes, new install, and I used it for some days, then it suddenly happened while I was copying a disc
[15:46] <lokai> dont upgrade to 4
[15:46] <lokai> it fails, utterly.
[15:46] <aaroncampbell> It says: Stopped - Filter "/usr/local/Brother/Printer/mfc9440cn/cupswrapper/brldwrapper_mfc9440cn" for printer "MFC9440CN" not available: Permission Denied
[15:47] <lokai> genii: all the problems that I have been complaining about are kde4 problems.
[15:47] <genii> lokai: I'm usually reluctant to make major changes until the big bugs are worked out of the system :)
[15:47] <lokai> genii: and as you might suspect, I'm quite upset that I upgraded.
[15:47] <lokai> genii: same. I didn't wait long enough.
[15:47] <KDesk> Seaboy: maybe it was an package update, maybe kernel, kdm... Which graphics card do you have? What do you have in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[15:48] <genii> lokai: I believe you can still run kde3 if you want
[15:48] <lokai> genii: how would you go about going that?
[15:48] <lokai> *doing
[15:49] <KDesk> genii: but only in hardy.
[15:49] <lokai> Seaboy: Have you tried to reconfigure xorg?
[15:49] <lokai> that means I'm out of luck. I've upgraded to 8.10
[15:49] <lokai> and KDE4 comes by default
[15:49] <genii> lokai: Prevoiusly the kde3 was package kubuntu-desktop and the kde4 was kubuntu-kde4-desktop but I think now kde4 is the "kubuntu-desktop" package
[15:50] <lokai> I'm very, very, very disappointed that they released this to the general public before it was ready
[15:50] <faileas> there's a workaround to run kde3 on intrepid
[15:50] <Pici> !intrepidkde3
[15:50] <Seaboy> ﻿KDesk: no, I was't upgrading, but that day I installed nvidia-glx-173 and it was working without a problem for hours. my graphic card is geforce FX5500, I'll pastebin xorg.conf content in a minute
[15:50] <Seaboy> ﻿KDesk: yes, i tried
[15:50] <genii> faileas: If you have a link I'm sure lokai would like it :)
[15:50] <lokai> yes, faileas
[15:51] <faileas> gimme a moment. need to go look it up again
[15:51] <lokai> thanks
[15:51] <KDesk> Seaboy: hmm, I think it is nvidia driver fault.
[15:52] <faileas> lokai: http://tennessee.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?s=03dd6e75a3859a1426a4ec8a10d30c0e&t=960742&highlight=kde+3.5+downgrade
[15:52] <Seaboy> ﻿Seaboy: this is it : http://paste.ubuntu.com/67957/
[15:52] <faileas> YMMV, i've never tried this personally
[15:52] <Seaboy> ﻿KDesk:﻿ ﻿Seaboy: this is it : http://paste.ubuntu.com/67957/
[15:53] <lokai> thanks so much faileas
[15:54] <KDesk> Seaboy: I think the xorg.conf is OK. Which nvidia driver version do you have?
[15:54] <KDesk> Seaboy: have you tried to start x with the free 2d nv driver?
[15:55] <Seaboy> ﻿KDesk: I've installed 173, but after this problem I tried to remove it. however I think it didn't remove
[15:56] <KDesk> Seaboy: I am reading this, it seems that support from your card is removed from 173. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=945899
[15:57] <Seaboy> ﻿KDesk: so what should I do? will removing it solve the problem? I've tried many sollutions but none of them worked
[15:57] <KDesk> Seaboy: have you tried to remove, and install it with the envy utility?
[15:58] <lokai> !downgrade
[15:58] <KDesk> Seaboy: First I think you have to remove that driver.
[15:59] <Seaboy> I tried in console mode, but I get some errors when I try to install or remove something
[15:59] <scdeville> hello
[15:59] <Seaboy> ﻿KDesk: ﻿I tried in console mode, but I get some errors when I try to install or remove something
[15:59] <scdeville> I have a problem with kmix
[15:59] <KDesk> Seaboy: which errors?
[15:59] <scdeville> it only shows the red X and doesnt control volume
[16:00] <KDesk> scdeville: does it work with alsamixer ?
[16:00] <nadhemos> bonjour
[16:00] <scdeville> I don't have it
[16:00] <nadhemos> svp y'as qq qui parle en francais ?
[16:00] <scdeville> kde comes just with kmix
[16:00] <lokai> faileas: something is broken about it...
[16:00] <Sokal-EC> one question how do i zip a file?
[16:00] <scdeville> the sound control of amarock works fine
[16:00] <Seaboy> ﻿KDesk: a bunch of errors, and at the end this : end_request: I/0 error, dev sda, sector 1244578 bus error
[16:00] <Sokal-EC> using ark or can i only unzip
[16:01] <nadhemos> alloo ther's someone spoke french ?
[16:01] <faileas> lokai: never tried it out myself, as i said...
[16:01] <lokai> you still on kde3?
[16:01] <sparr> is there a third-party solution for connecting to VPNs in kubuntu until kde supports them again?
[16:01] <faileas> no
[16:02] <genii> !fr | nadhemos
[16:02] <faileas> well this box is on KDE4. got another one on hardy and another one on the enlightenment based ubuntu varient
[16:02] <nadhemos> thankyou!
[16:02] <KDesk> Seaboy: I think it is bad, maybe there was a corruption an something in you partition is broken. Maybe the fasters way it to backup important data and to do a fresh install again (~30min)
[16:03] <sparr> It would be awesome if there was a list of lost functionality to refer to before upgrading.  I never would have installed intrepid if I had known how much stuff was missing.
[16:03] <KDesk> scdeville: so you dont have alsamixer? install alsa-utils
[16:04] <Seaboy> ﻿KDesk: I think I should reinstall kubuntu, but is there anyway to use tha packages I've downloaded?
[16:04] <scdeville> ok i'll try it thank you
[16:04] <KDesk> sparr: kde4 has not so many apps as kde3, but you can also install kde3 apps
[16:04] <KDesk> Seaboy: yes, they are in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[16:05] <sparr> KDesk: im referring to kde4 replacements for kde3 apps.  i cant (?) install kde3's network manager, or use kde3's panel, etc
[16:06] <KDesk> Seaboy: I think you should tray first (in the reinstalled system) to install the nvidia drivers with http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html envyNG
[16:06] <Seaboy> ﻿KDesk: and something else, do you know the default path of temp in nero? I just have an image of kubuntu and don't know where it is, sorry for asking so many questions
[16:07] <KDesk> sparr: the networkmanager you can, I use it. But the panel not. But there are many insteresting plasmoids in kde-look.org you can use.
[16:07] <Sokal-EC> if in the terminal how do i cd to a file?
[16:08] <KDesk> Seaboy: no problem. I dont know, but I think maybe in .nero/
[16:08] <sparr> KDesk: is the kde downloader thing broken?  i only see two or three widgets available when i try to download new ones
[16:08] <Seaboy> ﻿KDesk: I said nero? I mean k3b
[16:09] <KDesk> sparr: yes i think, somethimes I also see two or tree. Better search in kde-look.org, there is also a repo from a PPA with some plasmoids debs for intrepid. https://launchpad.net/~samrog131/+archive
[16:09] <Sokal-EC> anyone know how do i navigate to a folder from konsole
[16:10] <awidegreen> hej! i want to install intrepid in my existing lvm group - has anybody any idea how to map the existing lvm grp while the installation-process (command-line)?
[16:10] <KDesk> Seaboy: ah, the k3b config is in .kde/share/ but I dont think that k3b saves the image, maybe take a look at /tmp/
[16:11] <KDesk> Sokal-EC: use cd to change dirictory. ls to list the content
[16:11] <Seaboy> ﻿KDesk: thank you very much
[16:11] <KDesk> Sokal-EC: cd /home/youuser/folder
[16:12] <KDesk> Seaboy: np, good luck!
[16:13] <sparr> KDesk: how do i get/use the old network manager?  i really need to connect to my work VPN, and i hate having to use gnome to do it
[16:14] <dr_willis> yu could just run the gnome network-manager tool
[16:14] <dr_willis> no need to use all of gnome perhaps
[16:14] <KDesk> sparr: in hardy it was also networkmanager 0.6, but in intrepid there is networkmanager 0.7, it is much better. I h ave the package network-manager-kde installed
[16:15] <sparr> dr_willis: changes in intrepid prevent nm-applet from running in kde (conflicting providers of the service or something like that, dbus is very confusing)
[16:15] <rrittenhouse> I just installed Kubuntu 32bit with the alt cd. When it came up it would half of the time drop into the shell and I would have to type startx and sometimes it would take me to X. I even had one time where everything froze. Any ideas?
[16:15] <dr_willis> sparr,  isent that special.. :)
[16:16] <aaroncampbell> My printer won't work since the 8.10 upgrade.  It keeps saying "Unable to start filter "/usr/local/Brother/Printer/mfc9440cn/cupswrapper/brlpdwrapper_mfc9440cn" - Permission denied."
[16:16] <dr_willis> rrittenhouse,  what video card?
[16:16] <aaroncampbell> I re-downloaded the .deb from Brother and installed it, but I'm pretty sure something else is causing the problem, because that didn't fix it
[16:17] <rrittenhouse> dr_willis: Nvidia GeForce 8500 GT
[16:17] <KDesk> sparr: but if you have the networkmanager from gnome it should work in kde. HAve you the network-manager-kde pakcage installed?
[16:17] <rrittenhouse> dr_willis: I'm an ubuntu user and I've never had an issue (even Ibex). I'm just wondering what could be wrong.
[16:18] <dr_willis> rrittenhouse,  kubuntua nd ubuntu use the same drivers/underlaying OS. so ive no idea on taht..  If you had Ubuntu isntalled you could just install kubuntu-desktop
[16:18] <dr_willis> rrittenhouse,  You may want to check and be sure you are using the nvidia drivers,  could try som eother window maangers also. see if they also crash
[16:18] <rrittenhouse> dr_willis: True. I should have just done that.. gah! :)
[16:19] <dr_willis> rrittenhouse,  one of the first things i do on a new box. :) install all the desktops and stuff
[16:19] <rrittenhouse> It seems to work now after I enabled the nvidia driver once getting into KDE. Even dual monitors is working. I'm just having weird crashes now :P
[16:19] <rrittenhouse> dr_willis: cool. I was always a KDE user and at some point Ubuntu came along and I switched. I'm just trying to check back into KDE.
[16:20] <rrittenhouse> dr_willis: Another weird problem I had was when I added the twitter widget and tried to connect it would crash the entire plasma interface. It did that on the livecd too
[16:23] <rrittenhouse> dr_willis: Good thinking. I'm gonna install Ubuntu again and just put KDE on it too in case I decide I need gnome again lol
[16:29] <aaroncampbell> The problem I was having with my printer (It kept saying :Unable to start filter "/usr/local/Brother/Printer/mfc9440cn/cupswrapper/brlpdwrapper_mfc9440cn" - Permission denied.) was able to get fixed with "sudo aa-complain cupsd" ...will that be a permanent fix or will I need to do that on every reboot?
[16:31] <Seaboy> ﻿is there anyway to backup installed packages and use it later, I should mention that I just have access to console mode
[16:32] <sparr> KDesk: yes, i have network-manager-kde installed.  the kde4 version has no support for VPNs (and doesn't work with my ethernet connection anyways, but that's another bug for another day)
[16:32] <KDesk> sparr: which is the kde4 version? I thought it wasn't ready.
[16:33] <sparr> it isn't, that's the point
[16:33] <KDesk> sparr: ah, where do you got the kde4 version?
[16:33] <sparr> 1:0.7svn864988
[16:33] <sparr> upgrade to intrepid
[16:33] <sparr> which i regret on so many levels
[16:34] <KDesk> sparr: I use intrepid but dont have the nm kde4 version...
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> it's not a KDE4 version
[16:34] <ka9de> hi, is there a german kubuntu channel?
[16:35] <bazhang> !de
[16:35] <ka9de> thx <3
[16:35] <nyad> Hi.
[16:36] <KDesk> JontheEchidna: ah, ok. When will the kde4 version be ready? Will it be a plasmoid?
[16:36] <sparr> JontheEchidna: ok, whatever it is, it's multiply broken
[16:36] <sparr> and i cant run gnome's nm-applet (which mostly works) in kde any more in intrepid
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> KDesk: SuSE is aiming for it to be done in time for the next suse release
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> and it will be a plasmoid
[16:37] <sparr> what is the solution for connecting to a VPN in kde in intrepid, today?  not 6 months from now
[16:37] <nyad> Hi. Amarok doesn't autostart after I have logged out of kde4
[16:37] <KDesk> JontheEchidna: ah, that is good! I will be watching kde-look for the plasmoid :)
[16:38] <KDesk> nyad: you have to see in System Settings in the advanced tab in Session manager, there you can cnfig if you want to save the session when you logout
[16:39] <silto> bonjour à tous!
[16:39] <nyad> KDesk: It is set to restore last session
[16:40] <bazhang> !fr
[16:41] <nyad> my windows all open except amarok
[16:42] <silto> ok thx, I didn't know
[16:45] <xp-killer> how to install a .tar.bz2 file?
[16:46] <aaroncampbell> Where can I go to find more widgets for the new KDE4?
[16:48] <bazhang> kde-look.org ?
[16:52] <xp-killer> how to install a .tar.bz2 file?
[16:52] <aaroncampbell> bazhang: I don't see where, but there's a lot there, so maybe I'm missing it
[16:52] <tictric> xp-killer, you don't install such a file. You can extract it
[16:52] <Pici> xp-killer: What are you trying to install?
[16:53] <tictric> tar xjvf some.tar.bz2
[16:53] <tictric> replace extract with uncompress and unpack
[16:54] <Pici> Yes, but its better to install programs from the repositories, than to compile from some archived file.
[16:54] <tictric> still we don't know yet what xp-killer actually wants to do :-)
[16:55] <tictric> maybe uncompress xp?
[16:55] <ka9de> I've got a performance problem with ATI HD2600 mobile, fglrx driver and KDE3.. for example, when i minimize windows, it seems very laggy.. fglrxinfo replies the right radeon chip, anyone with ideas? sorry for my bad english :(
[16:55] <rrittenhouse> So to get firefox should I install it from the repos or from their website? I noticed it had a LOT of deps in the repo
[16:55] <tictric> rrittenhouse, I'd install the deb from the distro
[16:56] <xp-killer> Pici: well i try to go on my email acout and kopete telling me on the website i need to update my firefox to view my email
[16:56] <xp-killer> Pici: well i try to go on my email acout and kopete telling me on the website i need to update my firefox to view my email tictric
[16:56] <Pici> xp-killer: What version of Kubuntu are you using and what version of Firefox?
[16:56] <xp-killer> 8.04
[16:57] <xp-killer> the page i want to go on belongs to msn to view my emails
[16:57] <rrittenhouse> tictric: Should I just sudo apt-get install firefox ?
[16:57] <Pici> xp-killer: What version of Firefox are you currently using?
[16:57] <rrittenhouse> tictric: I'm used to using that. I wasnt sure if I should attempt adept or not
[16:57] <xp-killer> Pici: i have no idea
[16:57] <Pici> xp-killer: What does it say in Help>About?
[16:58] <xp-killer> Pici:  3.03
[16:58] <Pici> xp-killer: That is the latest version
[16:58] <tictric> rrittenhouse, use the tool you are comfortable with. I personally use aptitude but apt-get is just as fine as adept I'd say
[16:58] <rrittenhouse> tictric: thx
[16:59] <Pici> xp-killer: No update needed.
[16:59] <rrittenhouse> I'm really liking KDE over gnome tho =D
[16:59] <rrittenhouse> Some things are hard to get used to because I've used gnome for so long
[16:59] <xp-killer> Pici: then why i cant get in my email box?
[17:00] <Pici> xp-killer: Has it ever worked with firefox?
[17:02] <OxDeadC0de> what's the best way to get hotmail emails in linux using native email clients?
[17:02] <xp-killer> Pici: this the first time im trying it.normaly it with explorer i does check my email
[17:03] <xp-killer> Pici: but u dont have msn?how u does check your email?
[17:04] <Pici> xp-killer: I use gmail.
[17:08] <nyad> xp-killer: so your problem is that you can't get into msn with firefox?
[17:10] <xp-killer> nyad: firefox and konqeror
[17:13] <nyad> xp-killer: That is odd
[17:15] <nyad> xp-killer: I switched to gmail and I'm happy
[17:16] <xp-killer> nyad: im not going to change my hotmail
[17:19] <xp-killer> nyad: i got in.they told me if i continue withou update i wont be able to view certain fonction
[17:20] <genii> !info gotmail
[17:20] <OxDeadC0de> but gotmail can't send email
[17:20] <mfree> sefver
[17:22] <xp-killer> OxDeadC0de: so it will downloa all my email to my pc so i can see them?
[17:28] <OxDeadC0de> xp-killer yeah but it's only half a solution, recieving emails, no sending
[17:29] <Jurgentje> Hi all... I've upgraded to Kubuntu 8.10 ... and my sound is gone. It worked fine in 8.04. I'm using a Creative Labs Audigy card... frequently read this on internet, but don't read any solutions... anyone out here who could help me out?
[17:31] <Shadowwulf> hi i lost my panel stuff in kubuntu ... anybody know to reset all the icons in the panel ?
[17:31] <Shadowwulf> to default ?
[17:32] <xp-killer> OxDeadC0de: but dont worry i got in my email box with konqueror
[17:32] <dr_willis> delete all the various .kde  dirs/ or settings in them and restart the window manager? :)
[17:32] <dr_willis> Thats a little extreme...
[17:32] <Shadowwulf> is there a simple way ?
[17:32] <dr_willis> Or just add the  applets back to th panel
[17:32] <Shadowwulf> i cant find the window manager \
[17:33] <Shadowwulf> the 2 or 4 windows app thingy
[17:33] <dr_willis> Thats the Desktop/Panel I imagine..
[17:33] <dr_willis> I dont use kde4 so cant verify
[17:33] <Shadowwulf> ahh
[17:33] <Shadowwulf> reinstall maybe ? quick fix ?
[17:34] <dr_willis> reinstall to get kde back to se4ttings.??? this isent windows
[17:34] <dr_willis> Delete the users .kde* settings dirs. logout/back in - is a Extreme way to do it...
[17:34] <dr_willis> Or explore the applets stuff - it has to be in there somewhere
[17:34] <Shadowwulf> i have looked many times
[17:35] <Shadowwulf> where is .kde* dirs or how do i search for it
[17:36] <dr_willis> Its got to be one of the plasmoids.. everyithing in kde4 is a plasmoid
[17:36] <dr_willis> all the users settings dirs are in their home directory
[17:36] <dr_willis> I dont kow the exact name of the dir. thus i said .kde* :)
[17:37] <OxDeadC0de> shadowwulf type rm ~/.kde -r to recursively delete your kde folder
[17:37] <OxDeadC0de> ~ is a shortcut for /home/yourusername/
[17:37] <dr_willis> of coruse this will erase/reset ALL kde settings...
[17:38] <OxDeadC0de> if you want to back it up instead, mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old
[17:38] <ubuntu> Need a little help if anyone is available to help a newbie
[17:39] <l0n3w0lf> oops, forgot to set nick
[17:41] <genii> ubuntu_sucks_dic:  Please change your nick
[17:42] <genii> l0n3w0lf: Best approach is just ask your question or state your problem and then someone will try to assist that is familiar with your issue
[17:43] <l0n3w0lf> Alright.  Well basically I used suspend to disk and when I got back to my laptop earlier to login it stalls at the loading / progress bar screen with no disk activity.  I don't know where to go from there, recovery mode fails too
[17:44] <Shadowwulf> what is the cmd for linuxes version of cd..
[17:44] <Shadowwulf> or windows version
[17:45] <rien> hi everyone
[17:46] <denis__> hi
[17:46] <Shadowwulf> so if my home dir is johndoe what is the exact command i type in for mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old
[17:47] <denis__> I need to know what are commands to install definitely my second HDD please. is someone there who can helps me ?
[17:47] <genii> Shadowwulf: Exactly what you just put
[17:47] <rien> im trying to use my printer via the network as network printer, but it doesnt seem to work, whats the easiest way to configure that?
[17:48] <rien> the other computer is a windows machine
[17:48] <Shadowwulf> cannot stat username/.kde no such file or dir
[17:48] <genii> Shadowwulf: Then it's already been done, or  else you weren't using kde in the first place
[17:49] <genii> Or you just rm 'd it
[17:49] <denis__> is there someone who can helps me ?
[17:50] <mefisto__> Shadowwulf: did you type "mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old" it sounds like you left out the "mv"
[17:50] <Shadowwulf> i did that
[17:51] <genii> denis__: If the hard drive is already in the computer just use parted or qtparted to prepare and format it
[17:51] <Shadowwulf> i typed in mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old from the cmd line... in my home dir
[17:52] <denis__> genii: I don't want to format it, I need datas contained into it
[17:52] <Shadowwulf> do i need to be a su ?
[17:52] <l0n3w0lf> I used suspend to disk and when I got back to my laptop earlier to login it stalls at the loading / progress bar screen with no disk activity.  I don't know where to go from there, recovery mode fails too any ideas?
[17:52] <genii> Shadowwulf: does:   ls ~/.kde-old/*   show anything?
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[17:53] <Shadowwulf> nope
[17:53] <Shadowwulf> cannot access file or dir
[17:54] <RainCT> Hi. Any idea on why a Qt application might fail starting with "No protocol specified   <filename>.py: cannot connect to X server :0.0"? (it's not me who is having the problem, the only additional info I can give is that the guy's behind a proxy, if that makes any difference)
[17:56] <mefisto__> Shadowwulf: what about: ls ~/.kde
[17:56] <dr_willis> Shadowwulf,  you would no need sudo if its a user moveing their own files
[17:57] <denis__> I need to know what are commands to install definitely my second HDD please (without formatting). is someone there who can helps me ?
[17:57] <genii> denis__: Please use the pastebin to show us the result of command in Konsole of:   sudo fdisk -l
[17:57] <dr_willis> RainCT,  its being ran as a different user then the one thats runnint X
[17:57] <genii> !paste | denis__
[17:57] <dr_willis> RainCT,  or hes ssh'd in and dident enable x forwarding
[17:58] <denis__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/67992/
[17:58] <RainCT> dr_willis: OK, thanks. That's the only possibilities?
[17:59] <seele> i'm having trouble getting virtualbox to work.  it's complaining about not finding 2.6.26-5 modules but adept says i have 2.6.26 installed
[17:59] <dr_willis> RainCT,  the "X server 0.0' is very common message of doing things as a differetn user
[17:59] <makdaknife_> seele: try /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[18:00] <makdaknife_> seele: sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[18:00] <l0n3w0lf> I used suspend to disk and when I got back to my laptop earlier it stalls at the loading / progress bar screen with no disk activity.  I don't know where to go from there, recovery mode fails too any ideas?
[18:00] <seele> makdaknife_:  * Usage: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv {start|stop|restart|status}
[18:00] <seele> makdaknife_: start?
[18:00] <denis__> is that helping ?
[18:00] <makdaknife_> seele: that's weird...
[18:00] <l0n3w0lf> I'm desperate, having to watch Jerry Springer while I wait for help  o_o
[18:00] <seele> makdaknife_: seele@Takochi:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start * Starting VirtualBox kernel module vboxdrv * No suitable module for running kernel found.
[18:00] <dr_willis> heh- i just updated/upgraded 8.10 in  my virtualbox session.. now i gotta reisntall the guest addons.. :()
[18:01] <denis__> You can see that my second HD has been detected
[18:02] <genii> denis__: Yes, it is seen as sdb1.  You want it always to be mounted during boot?
[18:02] <genii> Arg, work. AFK
[18:02] <denis__> Yes exactly
[18:03] <makdaknife> seele: are you using virtualbox or virtualbox-ose?
[18:03] <seele> makdaknife: virtualbox-ose is what was installed when i asked for virtualbox
[18:03] <awidegreen> why does the knetworkmanager not use the kwalletmanager? the passohrases are stored somewhere but not in my wallet! :D
[18:03] <makdaknife> seele: I'm not sure if it makes a difference... but I use virtualbox as opposed to the OSE version
[18:04] <awidegreen> forgot to say: intrepid kde4
[18:04] <seele> makdaknife: apt didn't give me a choice.. did you use packages?
[18:05] <makdaknife> seele: try add this to your apt sources - deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian hardy non-free
[18:05] <mihai__> hello
[18:05] <mihai__> anybody on ?
[18:05] <makdaknife> seele: see http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[18:06] <mihai__> need some help with something here
[18:06] <l0n3w0lf> mihal_ join the club  :/
[18:07] <makdaknife> mihai__: just ask your question... and someone who knows an answer might help
[18:07] <mihai__> ok i wanted to place a shortcut
[18:07] <mihai__> on konsole or terminal
[18:07] <mihai__> i looked it up in settings at keyboard shortcut
[18:07] <Shadowwulf> ok i got the desktop to reset ... but the panel did not reset
[18:07] <mihai__> but i can't find anything .....
[18:08] <Shadowwulf> and i still dont have a desktop panel indicator for mulitple desktops ?
[18:08] <makdaknife> mihai__: what sort of shortcut? like a link to another file?
[18:08] <mihai__> no mate
[18:08] <mihai__> a shortcut key
[18:08] <mihai__> like alt+f1
[18:08] <mihai__> or alt+t
[18:08] <makdaknife> mihai__: okay Settings.. Configure Shortcuts
[18:09] <makdaknife> mihai__: second last menu option
[18:09] <mihai__> is that in kubuntu ?
[18:09] <mihai__> or ubuntu ?
[18:09] <exsolved> ehh.. I have to run sudo hidd --search
[18:09] <exsolved>  on every reboot for bluetooth and it does not work at login screen.. any fix for this?
[18:09] <makdaknife> mihai__: none other
[18:09] <mihai__> ok
[18:09] <makdaknife> mihai__: in konsole
[18:09] <mihai__> let me see
[18:10] <Angellow> Servus Mihai
[18:10] <Shadowwulf> any help on a panel reset ?/
[18:10] <Shadowwulf> kde4
[18:10] <l0n3w0lf> I used suspend to disk and when I got back to my laptop earlier it stalls at the loading / progress bar screen with no disk activity.  I don't know where to go from there, recovery mode fails too any ideas?
[18:10] <denis__> I need to know what are commands to install definitely my second HDD please (without formatting). is someone there who can helps me ?
[18:11] <seele> makdaknife: still giving me kernel source errors
[18:11] <makdaknife> seele: are you still unable to run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup?
[18:12] <seele> makdaknife: since 2.6.27 is the latest kernel, i dont know where to get the old packages for 2.6.26
[18:12] <seele> makdaknife: it failed.. this is what is relevent in /var/log/vbox-install.log
[18:12] <Pici> 2.6.26 was only available in some of the Intrepid alphas, it was never present for a release.
[18:12] <seele> makdaknife: Error! Your kernel source for kernel 2.6.26-5-generic cannot be found at
[18:12] <seele> /lib/modules/2.6.26-5-generic/build or /lib/modules/2.6.26-5-generic/source.
[18:12] <denis__> I need to know what are commands to install definitely my second HDD please (without formatting). is someone there who can helps me ?
[18:13] <seele> You can use the --kernelsourcedir option to tell DKMS where it's located.
[18:13] <seele> Failed to install using DKMS, attempting to install without
[18:13] <seele> Makefile:127: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again.  Stop.
[18:13] <mefisto__> denis__: first make sure you have ntfs-3g installed: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[18:14] <exsolved> Anyone know how to get bluetooth to work at login _and_ recognized after login? Currently must run sudo hidd --search
[18:14] <exsolved>  after boot.
[18:15] <makdaknife> seele: you will need to install linux-headers for your kernel
[18:15] <makdaknife> seele: just find the headers that you need, and install them... then the setup will work
[18:16] <seele> makdaknife: is there an easy way to do that with apt-get?  adept sucks
[18:16] <seele> i can't get it to list anything besides the newest kernel which is already installed
[18:16] <stdin> seele: sudo apt-get install linux-header-$(uname -r)
[18:16] <stdin> * linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[18:17] <genii> denis__: An old but good tutorial for you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009
[18:18] <seele> stdin: E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.26-5-generic
[18:18] <mike-solidus> kwin crashes on bootup
[18:19] <stdin> seele: what version of kubuntu do you have?
[18:20] <seele> stdin: intrepid, but there is a bug for my network card and so i had to install 2.6.26 to make it work
[18:20] <stdin> where from? or did you compile?
[18:21] <seele> stdin: debs from launchpad
[18:21] <stdin> from a PPA?
[18:22] <Pici> seele: Why not the 2.6.26 packages in the repo?
[18:22] <Pici> !info linux-image-2.6.26-4-generic
[18:22] <Pici> yes it does
[18:22] <Pici> Or... it did, nevermind.
[18:22] <stdin> I don't see it in intrepid here Pici
[18:22] <seele> stdin: i dont know what it was, someone gave me a link and i downloaded and installed it
[18:22] <seele> generic plus a bunch of modules
[18:22] <reese> hi! how do I change the keyboard layout? didnt find it in keyboard and mouse, in system settings
[18:23] <Pici> stdin: It was in there during the alphas.
[18:23] <Foodcoman> Any Lenovo Thinkpad W500 users?  ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3650
[18:23] <l0n3w0lf> I used suspend to disk and when I got back to my laptop earlier it stalls at the loading / progress bar screen with no disk activity.  I don't know where to go from there, recovery mode fails too any ideas?
[18:24] <mefisto__> reese: look in regional & language
[18:26] <reese> mefisto__, thanks
[18:26] <makdaknife> !info linux-image-2.6.26-5-generic
[18:26] <l0n3w0lf> guess I'm going back to windows then  :(
[18:27] <makdaknife> seele: I'm not sure where you got your kernel image from... but in order to build the modules for vbox, you need kernel headers
[18:27] <seele> makdaknife: ok.. where do i get those?  apparently i can't use apt
[18:27] <seele> i couldnt use apt before and that's why i downloaded packages
[18:27] <stdin> seele: what does "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.26-5-generic" show?
[18:28] <makdaknife> seele: you would normally do something like apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.26-5-generic
[18:28] <makdaknife> unfortunately it looks like your kernel is not in the normal intrepid repos
[18:31] <seele> stdin: linux-image-2.6.26-5-generic:
[18:31] <seele>   Installed: 2.6.26-5.15
[18:31] <seele>   Candidate: 2.6.26-5.15
[18:31] <seele>   Version table:
[18:31] <seele>  *** 2.6.26-5.15 0
[18:31] <seele>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[18:31] <stropia> i have problem can anyone help me
[18:31] <stropia> my ubunto freez
[18:31] <stropia> i have 8.04
[18:34] <stdin> seele: i386 or amd64?
[18:34] <exsolved> anyone running bluetooth? have question
[18:35] <uman> Hi, i managed to share my internet connection with my 360 with firestarter but if im downloading things on my computer, i lag on xbox live. Could anyone please help me configure the quality of service (QoS) so that all the connections going to and from my xbox 360 (it always has the same ip and is always connected to the same network interface card) get the highest priority? thanks
[18:36] <snikker> hi can i install kde3 on intrepid?
[18:37] <aaroncampbell> After the upgrade to 8.10, none of my local test sites work.  It's like apache is ignoring the sites-available and sites-enabled.  All sites are pointing to /var/www ...anyonw know why?
[18:38] <makdaknife> snikker: not really... although you can install kde3 apps
[18:39] <exsolved> aaroncambell: what error are you getting, 404, 403?
[18:39] <seele> stdin: i386
[18:39] <snikker> makdaknife: yes i know, but i don't need only to install kde3 apps, i want install all kde3 desktop environment...
[18:39] <blip-> hi all,  i remember there being in KDE3 Control Center, a place to change the cursor animation on busy and make it passive cursor.  i can't find it anymore, am i mistaken about it's location or even existence for that matter... ?  thanks
[18:40] <stdin> seele: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/linux-headers-2.6.26-5/2.6.26-5.15 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/linux-headers-2.6.26-5-generic/2.6.26-5.15
[18:40] <blip-> i checked the appearance area and the mouse/kb area....but nothing on that front
[18:41] <Assurbanipal> hi guys... i try to install Kubuntu 8.10, but i face system freeze when it enters KDE.. can anyone help?
[18:41] <uman> Hi, i managed to share my internet connection with my 360 with firestarter but if im downloading things on my computer, i lag on xbox live. Could anyone please help me configure the quality of service (QoS) so that all the connections going to and from my xbox 360 (it always has the same ip and is always connected to the same network interface card) get the highest priority? thanks
[18:42] <makdaknife> snikker: This Intrepid release lives up to its name by including many changes, but there are some features that are not yet available in KDE 4. If you would rather stay with what you know then remember that Kubuntu 8.04 is still fully supported, see KDE3-KDE4Migration and Is KDE 4.1 for you? for more information on deciding.
[18:42] <makdaknife> snikker: that's off the kubuntu front page... so I guess not
[18:44] <aaroncampbell> exsolved: It's going to /var/www rather than /home/aaroncampbell/sitename_www
[18:44] <snikker> makdaknife: mmm, so i can't downgrade... ok, thanks for help :)
[18:47] <aaroncampbell> exsolved: Here is one of the many virtual host configs that no longer works: http://www.paste2.org/p/97331
[18:47] <makdaknife> snikker: sure, no problem... sorry if you've run into a problem...
[18:47] <makdaknife> seele: how are you getting along getting your kernel headers?
[18:48] <snikker> makdaknife: np :)
[18:48] <hoonteke> where or how do I report bugs about kubuntu in launchpad?
[18:49] <aaroncampbell> and I have the sites name (meqfuelnet) set in /etc/hosts ...so it points to 127.0.0.1 but shows the default page :|
[18:49] <Pici> hoonteke: Report them under the relevant packages in the Ubuntu project.
[18:50] <dario_> Hola
[18:50] <genii> !es | dario_
[18:50] <hoonteke> Pici: k.  so ... I've found a bug in 8.10 with kmail.  Do I pick kmail-kde4 as the package?
[18:50] <dario_> tank you
[18:50] <exsolved> aaroncampbell: have you corrected to default home directory in apache.conf to point to /home/aaroncampbell/ sounds like you now have the default directory
[18:50] <genii> dario_: You are welcome
[18:51] <stdin> hoonteke: hardy or intrepid?
[18:51] <SJr|Work> I heard there was a big problem with Ubuntu 8.10 something everyone hates, is that true?
[18:51] <hoonteke> stdin: intrepid
[18:52] <hoonteke> stdin: 8.10 is intrepid, yes?
[18:52] <Pici> hoonteke: Its actually kdepim for intrepid.
[18:52] <makdaknife> SJr|Work: depends on what the problem is that you heard about...
[18:52] <stdin> hoonteke: ye
[18:52] <stdin> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+filebug
[18:52] <aaroncampbell> exsolved: no, I ran a diff between my apache2.conf from before and now, and they're basically the same (except for a logging line: CustomLog /var/log/apache2/other_vhosts_access.log vhost_combined)
[18:52] <SJr|Work> I think something with Network Manager being retarded
[18:52] <dario_> genii: tank you
[18:52] <uman> Hi, i managed to share my internet connection with my 360 with firestarter but if im downloading things on my computer, i lag on xbox live. Could anyone please help me configure the quality of service (QoS) so that all the connections going to and from my xbox 360 (it always has the same ip and is always connected to the same network interface card) get the highest priority? thanks
[18:52] <hoonteke> k
[18:53] <makdaknife> SJr|Work: I haven't heard about the issue... but I haven't changed to 8.10 because I currently prefer kde3 to kde4
[18:53] <SJr|Work> Oh wait you mean I can't use KDE 3.5 with Kubuntu 8.10?
[18:54] <makdaknife> SJr|Work: indeed... really important caveat... that I don't think has been made clear enough to people
[18:54] <exsolved> aaroncampbell: have you tried updating the current config to /home/aaroncampbell/sitename_ww rather than /var...  Putting the absolute path - that is what i had to do
[18:54] <SJr|Work> You mean I can't even install it makdaknife?
[18:54] <papegaaij> is there anybody here with some nfs knowledge?
[18:54] <makdaknife> SJr|Work: from the front page of the Kubuntu website: This Intrepid release lives up to its name by including many changes, but there are some features that are not yet available in KDE 4. If you would rather stay with what you know then remember that Kubuntu 8.04 is still fully supported, see KDE3-KDE4Migration and Is KDE 4.1 for you? for more information on deciding.
[18:54] <aaroncampbell> exsolved: I have about 30 sites on here, so I need to keep them all as virtual hosts.
[18:54] <makdaknife> SJr|Work: you can still use kde3 apps though
[18:55] <makdaknife> papegaaij: what's up?
[18:55] <SJr|Work> argh this sucks
[18:55] <papegaaij> i'm having trouble mounting nfs with kubuntu
[18:55] <papegaaij> makdaknife: the nfs mount dies after a couple of hours
[18:55] <SJr|Work> Hmmmm is there some reason why I'd want to use x86_64 installer instead of just the i686 one?
[18:55] <papegaaij> makdaknife: after which i can no longer mount any nfs mounts
[18:55] <aaroncampbell> I just pasted the code from my virtual host into the apache2.conf just above where it's supposed to include all the virtual hosts, and it works...either they aren't getting included, or it's choosing the wrong one to send me to
[18:55] <makdaknife> papegaaij: hmmm is it on a local network?
[18:56] <papegaaij> makdaknife: yes, crosscable, and the network is fine, statically configured
[18:56] <papegaaij> all other services are ok, nis is working (same server and client) and the server is also the gateway (nat)
[18:56] <papegaaij> when i try to mount, i do see the mount request, and it is authenticated, but then nothing happens
[18:57] <papegaaij> also, another kubuntu system is having no trouble, and the nfs was working fine with gentoo on the system where i'm now having trouble
[18:58] <makdaknife> papegaaij: that's strange... I haven't experienced that at all... I know that NFS does give issues if there are problems on the network... but that sounds pretty weird
[18:58] <papegaaij> makdaknife: someone on the #nfs channel said it could be firewall related, so i ran ufw disable, that should be enough to disable the firewall, shouldn't it?
[18:59] <papegaaij> makdaknife: the strangest thing is that is working fine for several hours, and then just stops
[19:00] <makdaknife> papegaaij: not sure if its firewall... and I don't use ufw... you could try iptables -F, which will flush all iptables rules
[19:00] <makdaknife> ufw seems to use iptables underneath itself
[19:00] <papegaaij> makdaknife: how do i list all rules?
[19:00] <papegaaij> iptables -l?
[19:01] <papegaaij> iptables -L shows nothing
[19:01] <makdaknife> papegaaij: iptables -L
[19:01] <makdaknife> papegaaij: I don't think you have any firewall issues...
[19:01] <papegaaij> at least, no rules :)
[19:01] <papegaaij> i did not enable the firewall, so unless it's enabled by default, it should be disabled
[19:01] <reese> hi! i'm using kubuntu 8.10 and can't find anymore the filesystem service in system setting, where I could automatically mount ntfs partitions from..
[19:02] <seele> makdaknife: stdin: it looks like it worked.. thanks a lot!
[19:02] <seele> makdaknife: stdin: if you guys are at UDS in december i'll owe you a beer ;P
[19:02] <papegaaij> all i see in the log on the system is 'nfs: server fileserver not responding, still trying'
[19:02] <makdaknife> papegaaij: it sounds like the network might drop after a period... not sure why... I suppose you could write a small bash script to sleep and then ping every 10 mins or so... but that's not really getting to the root of the problem
[19:02] <makdaknife> seele: great to hear it
[19:03] <papegaaij> well, i was having trouble with the network
[19:03] <papegaaij> i could not get NetworkManager to use a static configuration
[19:03] <papegaaij> it kept on falling back to dhcp
[19:03] <makdaknife> papegaaij: bah... knetworkmanager can be a real pain in the ass sometimes
[19:03] <papegaaij> via which it could not get an ip, so it disabled eth0 again
[19:04] <hoonteke> thanks Pici, stdin.  Bug reported.
[19:04] <makdaknife> papegaaij: so how have you gotten around that?
[19:04] <mefisto__> what's happening to the kde4 ppa for 8.04? will it continue to be updated?
[19:04] <papegaaij> well, i've stopped NetworkManager, after which the network seems to be fine
[19:04] <papegaaij> i entered the settings in /etc/network/interfaces
[19:04] <makdaknife> papegaaij: good
[19:05] <makdaknife> papegaaij: its difficult to troubleshoot something like this... are you aware of it being a specific length of time before your NFS connection drops?
[19:06] <papegaaij> makdaknife: no, yesterday it was at 1:44, to day somewhere around 10 in the morning
[19:07] <blip-> Hi,  can i change the mouse cursor in Kubuntu 8.04 KDE3 ?
[19:07] <papegaaij> makdaknife: i did not yet reboot the system and currently i still cannot mount nfs
[19:07] <papegaaij> so i'm trying to fine a way to troubleshoot the client side
[19:07] <papegaaij> because the server side seems to be working fine
[19:07] <makdaknife> papegaaij: can you mount the nfs with another machine?
[19:08] <papegaaij> yes, this machine (also kubuntu) has the same mount mounted
[19:08] <dex> Good evening all im new so i was hoping that u can help with my sound (i dont hear anything: there is not sound)
[19:08] <dex> im using Audigy 1 SE
[19:08] <makdaknife> papegaaij: so it definitely sounds like something with the client
[19:09] <papegaaij> yes
[19:09] <makdaknife> papegaaij: gimme a few minutes...
[19:11] <testi>  I couldn't figure out yet to have Ctrl+Shift+K to open a terminal window. How do I configure that. I found keyboard shortcuts in System settings, but I don't manage to get them to work. Is there step by step tutorial?
[19:11] <testi> I have Kubuntu Intrepid
[19:11] <KDesk> why I can make the luna aplet bigger? Aren't there bigger images or svg?
[19:11] <exsolved> Anyone using bluetooth?  It is not recognized at login _or_ once logged in unless I run sudo hidd --search.  I have HIDD_ENABLED=1 in config, no dice...
[19:11] <makdaknife> papegaaij: try nfsstat -c
[19:11] <KDesk> testi: maybe that key is used by somethink else.
[19:11] <dwidmann> reese: Looks like it might not exist anymore ... in which case you can still use mount in a console. Just type "mount" followed by either the mountpoint or the device name
[19:12] <papegaaij> makdaknife: on the server?
[19:12] <makdaknife> papegaaij: on the client
[19:12] <makdaknife> papegaaij: check the number under retrans
[19:13] <reese> dwidmann: that service mounted automatically at startup chosen partitions.. i would like to have them mounted automatically
[19:13] <papegaaij> it's currently at 598
[19:13] <dwidmann> reese: in that case, add them to your /etc/fstab
[19:13] <SJr|Work> Why would I want to choose the x86_64 cd's besides getting 64-bit support which seems pointless
[19:14] <reese> dwidmann, thanks
[19:14] <papegaaij> and seems stable
[19:14] <dwidmann> !fstab | reese
[19:14] <Uncle|Sam> Can it be that there are some problems with kde 4.1?
[19:14] <makdaknife> papegaaij: that sounds high... this indicates that it has been retransmitting requests... which is meant to indicate network issues
[19:14] <papegaaij> when i try to mount, it changes to 599
[19:15] <makdaknife> papegaaij: what about pinging the server?
[19:15] <papegaaij> makdaknife: but that is really weird, because the network is working fine
[19:15] <makdaknife> papegaaij: do you get any loss?
[19:15] <papegaaij> makdaknife: i can even log on with ssh on the server
[19:15] <papegaaij> and the server also is the internet gateway for that machine
[19:15] <makdaknife> papegaaij: try ping and see if there are any packets lost over say 50 pings
[19:16] <bauchspeck> hi out there. could anybody please tell me, where in kde4 do I find now kdeprintfax?
[19:16] <papegaaij> makdaknife: i don't see any packet loss
[19:17] <makdaknife> papegaaij: you could try nfsstat -s and hunt through the output there for clues
[19:18] <testi> KDesk: no
[19:19] <makdaknife> papegaaij: also what does your nfs mount look like in your fstab (obfuscate any sensitive data)
[19:19] <papegaaij> fileserver:/home        /home   nfs     rw,hard,intr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768    0 0
[19:23] <makdaknife> papegaaij: out of interest why have you specified write and read sizes?
[19:23] <papegaaij> makdaknife: performance
[19:23] <papegaaij> but i just tried with no options at all, still doesn't work
[19:24] <makdaknife> papegaaij: :-( admittedly I'm at a bit of a loss... I'm no nfs guru... I just use it a bit at home
[19:24] <papegaaij> makdaknife: same here
[19:25] <papegaaij> and this is getting really frustrating
[19:25] <papegaaij> i switched from gentoo to ubuntu because of the time it takes to maintain a gentoo install
[19:25] <papegaaij> but it seems like ubuntu might be taking even more :/
[19:25] <makdaknife> papegaaij: nothing in the logs?
[19:25] <papegaaij> nothing at all
[19:26] <papegaaij> just that one line, stating that the server is not responding
[19:26] <papegaaij> and no other lines at that time
[19:26] <makdaknife> crikey...
[19:26] <papegaaij> and nothing on the server
[19:27] <r0o0t> hi all how can i make my own Irc chat rooms in ubuntu ?
[19:27] <makdaknife> papegaaij: can you umount?
[19:28] <genii> desrt: Did you use visudo when editing so that it will catch any syntax problems?
[19:28] <papegaaij> makdaknife: how do i unmount a stale nfs mount?
[19:29] <papegaaij> just ls / kills my terminal :)
[19:29] <genii> Wrong channel. sorry
[19:29] <papegaaij> it's currently locking all filesystem request, waiting for the server to come back up
[19:29] <makdaknife> papegaaij: you could do a lazy unmount... I think its umount -l /mountpoint
[19:29] <makdaknife> papegaaij: then try remount it
[19:30] <bauchspeck> asking again: where in Ubuntu/Kubuntu 8.10 can I find kdeprintfax?
[19:30] <papegaaij> lazy unmount worked, remount not
[19:30] <r0o0t> any one can help me .. i wanna make connect back door with some server and i wanna use irc boot
[19:30] <papegaaij> btw, i also tried restarting networking, portmap and nfs-common
[19:30] <papegaaij> that also didn't help
[19:32] <makdaknife> papegaaij: damn that's some heavy voodoo going on there
[19:33] <makdaknife> papegaaij: in your mount options try and specify proto=udp
[19:33] <makdaknife> papegaaij: you might find that it behaves better
[19:34] <urza> hello niggers.
[19:35] <papegaaij> makdaknife: doesn't it default to udp?
[19:35] <papegaaij> hmmm
[19:35] <makdaknife> i think it defaults to tcp... but if you have a mount up... you can check how its mounted using nfsstat -m
[19:35] <papegaaij> that is working
[19:36] <papegaaij> i just mounted it :/
[19:36] <makdaknife> abracadoobra....
[19:36] <makdaknife> hell... I don't know what's wrong there... but hopefully that will hold until you can work it out
[19:36] <LF|Irssi_> HI I just installed KDE4 on Ubuntu last night, all is well except i cant get Vmware server to load, do i have to reinstall vmware server?
[19:37] <makdaknife> papegaaij: I have to head off soon... if you come up with anything... message me directly... I'll be afk, but if I happen to see a message I might pick it up
[19:37] <papegaaij> makdaknife: many thanks for your help
[19:37] <papegaaij> hopefully udp will keep on working
[19:37] <papegaaij> perhaps the tcp connection died somehow
[19:37] <urza> good nite niggers.
[19:38] <papegaaij> good thing udp doesn't have connections :)
[19:38] <makdaknife> papegaaij: hey no problem... hopefully all is good after that... its an honour to be able to help out an ex-gentoo user
[19:39] <makdaknife> ;-)
[19:39] <makdaknife> laterz everyone
[19:39] <papegaaij> hehe, bye
[19:39] <LF|Irssi_> I just installed KDE4 on Ubuntu last night, all is well except i cant get Vmware server to load, do i have to reinstall vmware server?
[19:51] <skabet> Hi, anyone else experinced crash in KTorrent when left-clicking a download item?
[19:53] <nicholai> hi....what's the best solution to get firefox to look somwhat decent with kubuntu intrepid?
[19:54] <nicholai> it's really ugly by default
[19:54] <nicholai> probably all gnome apps are
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7574
[19:55] <uman> how can i overwrite a read only file in a certain folder? thanks. i think i need sudo to open it but wasnt able to rewrite it after i modified it since it was read only
[19:56] <nicholai> jonthe: thanks
[20:02] <LinOxMan> hi, i have install kubuntu 8.10 in my acer 4520, and now my notebook dont enter in suspend or hibernation mode. In Kubuntu 8.04 it s ok.
[20:02] <LinOxMan> i try boot in init 1 for check modules problems
[20:03] <LinOxMan> but no work
[20:05] <LinOxMan> this notebook use nvdia chipset
[20:09] <hoonteke> is help not included with Kubuntu 8.10?  About everytime I go for a handbook, I get an error message and no help
[20:10] <hoonteke> For example, when I hit F1 in Kontact, I get a popup "The file or folder help:/kontact/index.html does not exist."
[20:10] <hoonteke> and an empty help-browser page.
[20:10] <dwidmann> LinOxMan: if you still have it installed, try booting with the 2.6.24 kernel and see if it goes back to working, if so, continue on with the 2.6.24 because at least it works
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> hoonteke: sudo apt-get install kdepim-doc
[20:10] <dwidmann> hoonteke: a lot of the time the documentation is stored in separate packages
[20:10] <Iesos> How can I get kdm not to produce 1.5GB large log-files everytime I use it (/var/log/kdm.log)?
[20:11] <hoonteke> hmm, I guess for completeness of the distribution, I'm surprised at that choice of removal.
[20:11] <hoonteke> ok, thanks for that
[20:11] <hoonteke> @ JontheEchidna and dwidmann
[20:13] <LinOxMan> dwidmann: ok, thanks for your help
[20:13] <Iesos> I really need to get this fixed! My computer get useless when / is filled up and I cant go on removing these files all the time.
[20:17] <dwidmann> Iesos: you could set up cron jobs to remove them in the meantime
[20:18] <Iesos> dwidmann, thats kind of an ugly way to do it, but if you walk me through it...
[20:19] <wesley> hoe can i force to eject a cd
[20:20] <emilsedgh> wesley: eject
[20:20] <dwidmann> Iesos: Okay, open a terminal, and type in "sudo crontab -e"
[20:21] <Iesos> done
[20:21] <wesley> does not work, wine is using it, but it says it needs second cd but i dont get it eject
[20:22] <Iesos> so... the syntax is every 5 ***** and it runs every 5 minutes, right?
[20:22] <Iesos> then the command?
[20:22] <Iesos> and its only suppose to be 4 *
[20:22] <Iesos> right?
[20:22] <dwidmann> Iesos: right, only 4 stars
[20:23] <Iesos> so "5**** rm /var/log/kdm.log*"
[20:23] <dwidmann> Iesos: then the command, something like rm /var/log/....
[20:23] <dwidmann> Iesos: there ya go, save and make sure cron is running and you're set
[20:24] <Iesos> ok, thx.
[20:25] <wesley> emilsedgh that does not work
[20:25] <favro> Iesos: does   cat /var/log/kdm.log | tail -n 20   show the error that makes the file so large?
[20:26] <Iesos> favro, I have allready removed them :-/
[20:27] <emilsedgh> wesley: unmount first: sudo umount -f /media/cdrom && eject
[20:27] <favro> Iesos: oh well
[20:27] <wolfjb> did a kde4 version of amarok not make it into intrepid? I can't seem to find it in adept-manager
[20:27] <wolfjb> and the version I have installed seems to be for kde 3.5
[20:27] <gribs> hi, anybody speak on russian?
[20:28] <dwidmann> wolfjb: it's still in beta, so it's not in intrepid ... but you can install the beta if you want to (it will *replace* the kde3 version though, be warned)
[20:28] <gribs> no one?
[20:28] <thedark_> in kmixer, both capture channels symbols are red and have a "pause" symbol next to them, how do I fix this so that I can record?
[20:28] <wesley> emilsedgh he still says he busy
[20:29] <gribs> could anybody help me with config dns on kubuntu 8.10?
[20:29] <wolfjb> dwidmann: ah. thanks
[20:30] <thedark_> ahhh... in the words of Al Pacino, "I'm in the darkness!"
[20:31] <gribs> who could help with configuring dns?
[20:31] <wolfjb> gribs: are you using bind?
[20:32] <gribs> no, ithink that it isn't hard question. this about dns on my desktop
[20:33] <wolfjb> gribs: maybe try asking your question
[20:33] <isaacj87> hey guys...apparently KDE 4.1.3 is being made ready for intrepid-backports...yet, when I run kwin --version it says I already have it?
[20:33] <isaacj87> I haven't received any updates to Kubuntu, so what's the deal?
[20:34] <gribs> there are server in my netvork with ip 192.168.169.1, and i wont to acces it by name, for example "server" from browser. What and where i must write for it?
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> apt-cache policy kde-window-manager should tell the truth
[20:34] <wolfjb> gribs: the easiest way is to add it to /etc/hosts
[20:35] <gribs> what will this string look?
[20:35] <wolfjb> gribs: I'm assuming you are on the same network.
[20:35] <gribs> yes, of course. i can ping it
[20:35] <isaacj87> JontheEchidna: yup, how can I check my version of KDE 4 via CL?
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> apt-cache policy kde-window-manager
[20:36] <wolfjb> gribs: look at /etc/hosts, and follow the pattern there, typically it's just <ip> <hostname> (for example 192.168.169.1 someserver)
[20:36] <wolfjb> gribs: then you should be able to contact someserver without having to use the ip address
[20:37] <isaacj87> JontheEchidna: ah, okay...no other way than that? How far along is KDE 4.1.3...is it almost done building?
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> isaacj87: what do you mean no other way?
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> just run the command and it will tell you what version kwin is at really
[20:38] <isaacj87> JontheEchidna: I mean, is there no other way to check my version of KDE 4.1.x. Like kde4base --version or something
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> oh, you could look in the about dialog of any KDE app, but apt will be more reliable
[20:38] <wolfjb> gribs: you'll need to be root to edit /etc/hosts - so sudo vi /etc/hosts or sudoedit /etc/hosts either should work
[20:38] <gribs> wolfjb, thanks, it's work!
[20:39] <Machtin> howdy.. i got some pictures, which originally had a german 'ü' in their filename.. since quite some time now i can't access them.. can't watch, can't copy, can't do nothing.. when i want to do something with them, i get a message that they don't even exist
[20:39] <Machtin> so.. how to recover those?
[20:39] <wolfjb> gribs: welcome
[20:39] <isaacj87> JontheEchidna: Hmm...yeah, I guess so. I just checked in Konsole and it says I'm at KDE 4.1.3 :S
[20:42] <FrauHansen> hey guys! i'm having trouble with some icons since the upgrade to 8.10
[20:42] <FrauHansen> some are correct, some are missing, some are mixed up
[20:43] <FrauHansen> is this a known issue? how can i fox it?
[20:43] <FrauHansen> *fix
[20:46] <sourcemaker> are there kde 4.1.3 packages for kubuntu available?
[20:47] <isaacj87> sourcemaker: apparently they're being built right now
[20:47] <isaacj87> sourcemaker: they'll be in intrepid-backports
[20:47] <FrauHansen> here is a screenshot. clearly some icons missing and some (kmenu, trash) are mixed up
[20:47] <FrauHansen> http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=wrong_icons79bs.png
[20:47] <sourcemaker> isaacj87: cool...
[20:49] <noobstyle> !mount
[20:49] <noobstyle> !iso
[20:51] <noobstyle> Hi. I have been trying to mount an .ISO file for some while. I want to mount an .ISO file without burning. Just so i can see the movie
[20:51] <rickest> mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/file.iso mount/point
[20:52] <noobstyle> what do you mean by mount point?
[20:52] <rickest> whereever you want the mounted ISO to be mounted
[20:53] <rickest> cd ~/tmp && mkdir video_cd;  mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/file.iso video_cd
[20:53] <dstambou> FrauHansen: that's odd, all my icons work fine here
[20:53] <rickest> assumes a ~/tmp directory off your home directory
[20:53] <dstambou> FrauHansen: are you using a custom icon theme? Which one?
[20:54] <FrauHansen> dstambou, no i don't. i used the oxygen icons before and after the upgrade
[20:54] <memeemeee> So I just installed a new realtek PCI gigabit ethernet card but have no idea how to make my computer recognize it. the only thing that show's up under lspci | grep Ethernet is the broken PCI-e (Marvell 88E8056)
[20:54] <dstambou> FrauHansen: try switching to another. See if it works, switch back. If not, look for an oxygen package
[20:54] <noobstyle> rickest: i tried sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /media/storage/marc/Movies/De Andres Liv/DeAndresLiv.iso /media/storage/marc/Movies/De Andres Liv/
[20:54] <dstambou> kde-icons-oxygen - Oxygen icon theme for KDE 4 installed?
[20:54] <noobstyle> but then a loong list of options came
[20:54] <FrauHansen> dstambou, i will try that
[20:55] <rickest> noobstyle: first, you need to quote or ESC those file/dirnames with spaces in them
[20:55] <FrauHansen> dstambou, yes: ii  kde-icons-oxygen
[20:55] <rickest> noobstyle: 2nd, does the directory 'De Andres Liv/' already exist?
[20:56] <noobstyle> yes because it is the folder that contains the file
[20:56] <rickest> noobstyle: mount to an empty directory
[20:56] <noobstyle> i just tried to
[20:56] <noobstyle> i made a subfolder called /iso/ still i get a looong list
[20:57] <noobstyle> sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /media/storage/marc/Movies/De Andres Liv/DeAndresLiv.iso /media/storage/marc/Movies/De Andres Liv/iso/
[20:57] <noobstyle> if i type that i get a looooooong list of options
[20:57] <rickest> noobstyle: did you read my 'first:'
[20:57] <noobstyle> ?
[20:57] <rickest> [13:55:23]      rickest | noobstyle: first, you need to quote or ESC those file/dirnames with spaces in them
[20:57] <sourcemaker> does kde 4.1.3 solves the nvidia problem?
[20:57] <noobstyle> rickest: i dont understand?
[20:58] <rickest> this filename.ext  must be expressed as "this filename.ext" or this\ filename.ext
[20:58] <noobstyle> hmm ok
[20:58] <rickest> noobstyle: paths, files, or directories with spaces in their names must be quoted "like this" or escaped like\ this
[20:59] <isaacj87> sourcemaker: i read a comment from a user somewhere that he had better luck with nvidia and kde 4.1.3
[20:59] <noobstyle> like thi
[20:59] <isaacj87> sourcemaker: at least with kwin
[20:59] <noobstyle> sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /media/ storage/ marc/ Movies/ De Andres Liv/ DeAndresLiv.iso /media/ storage/ marc/ Movies/ De Andres Liv/ iso/
[20:59] <noobstyle> still does not work
[20:59] <sourcemaker> isaacj87: great
[20:59] <rickest> noobstyle: why do you insist on ignoring what I'm saying about spaces?
[20:59] <noobstyle> can you make the line then pls?
[21:00] <sourcemaker> isaacj87: will the packages for kubuntu ready tommorow?
[21:00] <rickest> no, work it
[21:00] <noobstyle> well i made spaces all over
[21:00] <noobstyle> i don't know what you want me to do then
[21:00] <rickest> noobstyle: and in doing so exacerbated the problem.  READ MY ANSWER, I've told you like 4 times
[21:00] <rickest> including examples
[21:01] <memeemeee> anyone help me setting up a new ethernet card on Hardy?
[21:01] <noobstyle> well im not the best english speaker and i do not understand what you wrote
[21:02] <rickest> [13:58:36]      rickest | noobstyle: paths, files, or directories with spaces in their names must be quoted "like this" or escaped like\ this
[21:02] <rickest> I assume you know what "like this" means
[21:02] <isaacj87> sourcemaker: maybe even by tonight
[21:02] <noobstyle> hmm :D?
[21:03] <denis__> Hi !
[21:03] <isaacj87> sourcemaker: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.3
[21:03] <denis__> What is the command to format my HDD ?
[21:03] <denis__> please :D
[21:05] <denis__> is there anybody out there ?
[21:07] <anish_> anyone know if kde 4.1.3 is coming to hardy backports ?
[21:08] <ardchoille> anish_: it's a bugfix release so hardy main should get it soon.
[21:08] <anish_> cool
[21:09] <genii> denis__: If it's sdb1 for instance, then:    sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1
[21:10] <anish_> you mean backports right ?
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> ardchoille: except that the major version in hardy is 4.0
[21:10] <anish_> zigackly
[21:10] <chairman> ibex is so cool!!
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> so a jump to 4.1.3 would be a feature-release jump plus a bugfix release jump
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> and in other words, not going to happen
[21:11] <denis__> thank you genii ^
[21:11] <denis__> again ;)
[21:11] <ardchoille> JontheEchidna: I've heard devs who disagree withyou
[21:12] <Koordin> hi, someone is saying me that i may have a conflict in several qt installations ; how can i clean them up with apt-get ?
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I didn't hear anything about hardy-backports
[21:12] <genii> denis__: np
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> intrepid-backports yes, but not hardy-backports
[21:13] <ardchoille> JontheEchidna: Ah, you're right. Hardy won't see it but Intrepid will. sorry, got confused with the names.
[21:13] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[21:13] <ardchoille> anish_: Hardy will not see the update, but Intrepid will
[21:14] <ardchoille> Too early in the morning here
[21:15] <anish_> not even here ? http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/
[21:18] <ardchoille> JontheEchidna: I was thinking, since Hardy was a remix, would Hardy see that update?
[21:18] <ardchoille> kde4 is in the Hardy repos
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> nope
[21:19] <ardchoille> oh well.
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> it still uses official ubuntu repos so we have to follow the rules for it
[21:19] <ardchoille> Maybe this update will allow me to install and use Intrepid now
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> eh, if you didn't like it before I doubt 4.1.3 will change anything
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> we had most of the interesting crash fixes in our 4.1.2 packages anyway
[21:21] <memeemeee> I'm having serious networking problems. I put the new PCI card in the computer but linux doesn't see it
[21:21] <ardchoille> JontheEchidna: That's good to know
[21:22] <ka9de> I've got a performance problem with ATI HD2600 mobile, fglrx driver and KDE3.. for example, when i minimize windows, it seems very laggy.. fglrxinfo replies the right radeon chip, anyone with ideas?
[21:24] <ardchoille> JontheEchidna:  Two crashes fixed in the Dolphin filemanager and several bugfixes in the Kopete. I may try intrepid again next week.
[21:24] <frinux_> why isn't OOo 3 included in ubuntu 8.10 ? Will it be soon ?
[21:24] <ka9de> frinux_ it was released too late
[21:24] <ka9de> will be included wo 9.04
[21:25] <ka9de> *to
[21:25] <isaacj87> frinux_: Just add the OpenOffice Scribblers PPA and you can get it
[21:25] <frinux_> ok but it can still be packaged and released
[21:25] <mikedomo> hi
[21:25] <mikedomo> i had some problmes with a web cam msi star cam 370i
[21:26] <mikedomo> isnt recognize for my system
[21:26] <mikedomo> i need help
[21:26] <MarcoPau> hello, since my last upgrade in which I installed kernel 2.6.24-21-generic I haven't been able to use alsa cause it says there no modules. what am I supposed to do?
[21:27] <anish_> the ppa doesn't have 3 yet
[21:27] <anish_> but you can just download the debs off the site
[21:28] <mikedomo> and also since the upgrade the kernel 2.6.24 to 2.6.27-7 my anothe web cam ezcam III isnt recognize
[21:28] <mikedomo> i have a black screen
[21:29] <mikedomo> with camorama, amsn, kopete
[21:29] <isaacj87> anish_: which ppa doesn't have 3?
[21:29] <anish_> http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu
[21:30] <isaacj87> anish_: yeah, it does. I just used it to install ooo3
[21:30] <anish_> u'r right, it does
[21:31] <anish_> guess apt-get update isn't working for me for oo
[21:32] <anish_> lemme try again
[21:34] <anish_> nope, doesn't work
[21:35] <ardchoille> anish_: What are you trying to do?
[21:38] <leo> buenas
[21:38] <nerian> hola
[21:40] <genii> !es
[21:40] <leo> hay alguien que esta usando kubuntu 8.10??
[21:40] <mefisto__> redirection question: how would I add a line of text to an existing text file, creating a 2nd text file with that line of text appended?
[21:41] <nerian> leo, yo
[21:41] <leo> quetal esta?
[21:42] <nerian> lenta
[21:42] <nerian> muy lenta
[21:42] <leo> yo ahora mismo lo estoy virtualizando con virtualbox
[21:42] <ardchoille> !es | leo
[21:42] <leo> pero uso el 8.04
[21:42] <nerian> KDE 4 mola mucho, pero entre los drivers de nvidia, que están mal, y que no está muy optimizado, se nota mucha ralentización
[21:42] <genii> !es | nerian
[21:42] <leo> ahh
[21:43] <leo> a mi la virtualizacion me va bien
[21:43] <leo> pero no me quiero arriesgar
[21:44] <leo> por el jaleo de configuracion que tengo en el 8.04
[21:44] <wolfjb> ok, so I just did an apt-get upgrade and now my network manager says eth0 is not managed. previously, in order to get it to work I had to add an entry in /etc/network/interfaces (iface eth0 inet dhcp and auto eth0) how do I get network manager to manage eth0 again?
[21:44] <leo> ahora mismo, estoy con virtualbox en el 8.10
[21:44] <genii> leo nerian Inglés solamente adentro aquí
[21:44] <leo> ok..
[21:44] <d3vil__> i need a putty ssh client for ubuntu 8.10
[21:45] <trappist> d3vil__: sudo apt-get install putty
[21:45] <trappist> I can't imagine why you can't just use openssh though
[21:45] <d3vil__> where  to write this comaand
[21:45] <trappist> in the console
[21:46] <wolfjb> d3vil__: adept manager is a tool you can use to find putty, look in Applications->System
[21:47] <chairman> i got a qquestion can u run 8.10 on a mobile;PDA phone?
[21:47] <chairman> or are they coming w/a mobile version?
[21:48] <genii> chairman: Probably not. There is somewhere a mobile ubuntu version
[21:48] <genii> chairman: Check https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-pda
[21:49] <ardchoille> genii: nice
[21:50] <rober> hola
[21:50] <rober> algun español?
[21:50] <chairman> ok.
[21:50] <genii> chairman: Also http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
[21:50] <KDesk> !es rober
[21:50] <KDesk> !es @ rober
[21:50] <KDesk> !es | rober
[21:50] <KDesk> :)
[21:50] <isaacj87> opensuse has a cursor theme call oxygen zion. I've looking on the web for it, but cannot find it. Can someone help me out?
[21:50] <trappist> d3vil__: please keep it in the channel - yes, in the terminal
[21:51] <quentin> hey there!
[21:51] <isaacj87> quentin: hey
[21:51] <mefisto__> echo "this is a new line" >> file.txt will append that line to file.txt -- but how can I append that line to the text in file.txt, but save it all in a new file?
[21:52] <quentin> I need some help for kmail configuration with Gmail. Apparently, following the given guide by google doesn't help
[21:52] <quentin> (I cannot send messages)
[21:52] <wolfjb> how do I get NetworkManager to manage eth0?
[21:53] <wolfjb> the client won't connect to eth0
[21:53] <Alex135> wolfjb: it should do it automatically, is eth0 not listed or is it just not connecting
[21:54] <wolfjb> Alex135: it says it isn't managed and it isn't connecting
[21:54] <d3vil__> trappist is all ok in terminal
[21:54] <genii> mefisto__: Use tee
[21:54] <d3vil__> now what
[21:54] <wolfjb> Alex135: the actual text in the dialog is 'device is unmanaged'
[21:54] <quentin> my conf is: smtp.gmail.com port:465 authentification: user: myuer@gmail.com password: my password security: SSL login method : plain
[21:54] <Alex135> wolfjb: have you tried a reboot?
[21:55] <wolfjb> Alex135: just rebooted after the upgrade
[21:55] <quentin> myuser@gmail.com
[21:55] <trappist> desti: now run putty - are you sure you need putty, or do you just need an ssh client?
[21:55] <ardchoille> quentin: I just let kmail check to see what the server supports. thee's a button for this in the smtp setup of kmail
[21:55] <Alex135> wolfjb: do you have custom compiled drivers for it?
[21:55] <mefisto__> genii: thanks
[21:55] <Alex135> wolfjb: wait, you upgraded?
[21:55] <wolfjb> Alex135: nope, stock install
[21:55] <ardchoille> quentin: my kmail is using port 25 and it seems to work
[21:55] <genii> mefisto__: np
[21:55] <wolfjb> Alex135: yeah, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
[21:56] <Alex135> wolfjb: what does ifconfig say
[21:56] <quentin> ardchoille: I've done that before, not working ...
[21:56] <Alex135> wolfjb: is it listed in ifconfig?
[21:56] <d3vil__> trappistnow what to doo .... id config defered procesing now taking  place
[21:56] <d3vil__> trappist now what to doo .... id config defered procesing now taking  place
[21:56] <wolfjb> Alex135: yes, and it has an ip address. but if I disable the wireless, my network connection disappears
[21:57] <trappist> d3vil__: your software is installed.
[21:57] <d3vil__> how to open  tell me
[21:57] <Alex135> wolfjb: is the wireless card external?
[21:57] <ardchoille> quentin: Server requires authentication (username + password)?
[21:57] <wolfjb> Alex135: no. this is a laptop. both wireless and wired are built in. I can turn off the wireless though
[21:58] <d3vil__> trappist how to open to config my ircd
[21:58] <Alex135> wolfjb: i was gonna say try rebooting with the wireless card unplugged
[21:58] <ryanakca> How can I stop Kubuntu from turning off after <x> minutes of inactivity? The laptop is plugged in, Intrepid.
[21:58] <ardchoille> quentin: Encryption = TLS; Authentication method = plain
[21:58] <d3vil__> trappist thnx tomuch i find it
[21:58] <wolfjb> Alex135: I have tried adding/removing eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces and restarting NetworkManager would that matter?
[21:59] <wolfjb> Alex135: I tried that b4 coming here
[21:59] <Alex135> wolfjb: are you running intrepid?
[21:59] <wolfjb> Alex135: yes
[21:59] <quentin> ardchoille that's what I have...
[21:59] <Alex135> wolfjb: thats yoru problem...
[21:59] <wolfjb> Alex135: nice.
[21:59] <wolfjb> Alex135: go back to hardy?
[21:59] <ardchoille> quentin: and you can receive mail but not send?
[21:59] <Alex135> wolfjb: yes, i went back after some compatability problems of my own
[21:59] <Alex135> wolfjb: kde4 isn't ready yet
[22:00] <Alex135> wolfjb: its better, but not ready yet
[22:00] <wolfjb> Alex135: <sigh>
[22:00] <quentin> ardchoille yep
[22:00] <quentin> ardchoille imap works fine
[22:00] <Alex135> wolfjb: sorry, its mentioned that its not as compatable so it shouldn't come as a suprise
[22:00] <ardchoille> quentin: go into kmail config > Identities > Advanced tab and check Special Transport
[22:00] <Alex135> wolfjb well no, its said not as flexible
[22:01] <Alex135> wolfjb: but its the same thing in this case
[22:01] <wolfjb> Alex135: I'm not really unhappy with kde4 itself, just that NetworkManager doesn't manage my wired network mostly at all
[22:01] <pascal> hey =)  i am new in linux... i am using Kubuntu and i don know how to do an update =(  (sry for my enlgish i am german ^^ )
[22:01] <wolfjb> Alex135: maybe I'll back that out by itself first, before I downgrade completely
[22:01] <pascal> can somebody help me pls =)
[22:02] <Alex135> wolfjb: i know, i never tried the LAN but my WLAN was strange
[22:02] <dwidmann> pascal: just a regular update or a distribution upgrade?
[22:02] <Alex135> wolfjb: even with recompiled drivers
[22:02] <pascal> a regular update =)
[22:02] <wolfjb> Alex135: I picked this laptop because the drivers were well supported, at least they were under hardy
[22:02] <ardchoille> pascal: open a terminal and run:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:03] <wolfjb> Alex135: I assumed they would continue to be well supported in intrepid too
[22:03] <Alex135> wolfjb: yes, the problem is that intrepid isn't quite perfect yet
[22:03] <Alex135> wolfjb: KDE4's netowrk manager needs work
[22:03] <pascal> wow it works :o  thx :DD
[22:03] <ardchoille> yw
[22:03] <ryanakca> How can I stop Kubuntu from turning off after <x> minutes of inactivity? The laptop is plugged in, Intrepid.
[22:04] <Alex135> wolfjb: i would go back to hardy, as it is better in performance and in compatability
[22:04] <Alex135> wolfjb: i can care less about the desktop effects it offers
[22:04] <Alex135> wolfjb:even though they are nice, they arn't essential, while compatability is
[22:04] <quentin> ardchoille: ok now i'm getting something different
[22:04] <wolfjb> Alex135: yeah, and I have an nvidia card, so that was an issue during the beta
[22:05] <wolfjb> Alex135: I usually turn that stuff off anyway.
[22:05] <quentin> ardchoille tells me that the server doesn't support plain id method
[22:05] <Alex135> wolfjb: ya, i never tried it on my desktop mostly because i need to make sure EVERYTHING works before i mess with it, i run VM's and have a lot of other essential stuff that is running on it
[22:05] <dwidmann> ryanakca: you probably have guidance running, there should be an icon for it in the panel
[22:05] <Alex135> wolfjb: i would stay with hardy for now, wait till the next ubuntu release or kde4.2
[22:06] <ryanakca> dwidmann: I set it not to do anything after any inactivity
[22:06] <wolfjb> Alex135: may have to do that. that sucks. the point is that each ubuntu release is stable and it all works, not that it is released partially broken
[22:06] <ardchoille> quentin: go into the smtp setup and click the button that says "Check what the server supports" in Accounts > Sending > modify > security tab
[22:07] <wolfjb> Alex135: that would be the MS trick
[22:07] <dwidmann> ryanakca: you just did now, or you did previously and the setting didn't take?
[22:07] <ryanakca> dwidmann: previously...
[22:07] <Alex135> wolfjb: another option is to try and find a way to recompile the drivers under intrepid and see if that works first
[22:07] <dwidmann> ryanakca: hmm, I wonder if it's a known issue, I'
[22:08] <dwidmann> ** I'll look and see
[22:08] <wolfjb> Alex135: good idea, I'll try that too
[22:08] <ardchoille> quentin: I just did that and it tells me that the plain method is the only things the server supports
[22:08] <quentin> ardchoille that's what I've done. It selects TLS encryption and PLAIN method
[22:08] <Alex135> wolfjb: i am waiting to be able to do a bios upgrade on my Toshiba Satelite A135-S4666 and im not sure if it will screw things up or not... i have never had to do an upgrade since 2 yhears ago when i got it
[22:08] <memeemeee> I need help! my new networking card came with an installation cd but I cam
[22:08] <ryanakca> dwidmann: thanks
[22:09] <quentin> ardchoille yep, but it refuses to connect complaining about the plain method...
[22:09] <memeemeee> I need help! my new networking card came with an installation cd but I can't get the drivers to install I can't even see the new hardware PLEASE HELP
[22:09] <Guest53409> oooo
[22:09] <ardchoille> quentin: pop does not support the plain method, do you have plain in pop config?
[22:10] <Alex135> memeemeee: 1st, if its an insatll cd it has drivers for WINDOWS! linux and windows dont work together, second, your card should be supported, what kind is it
[22:11] <quentin> ardchoille I'm not using pop. Using imap but yes that's plain that it's using...
[22:11] <dwidmann> ryanakca: I'm assuming you're running 8.10?
[22:11] <draik> Is there a widget to monitor bandwidth?
[22:11] <quentin> ardchoille weird...
[22:12] <Alex135> draik: gkrellm?
[22:12] <ardchoille> quentin: I've enver done IMAP so I don't know how to help with that
[22:13] <quentin> ardchoille imap is just for receiving messages, the smtp part is totally (I guess) independant
[22:13] <wolfjb> Alex135: bios upgrades scare me
[22:13] <m_tadeu> hi
[22:13] <Alex135> wolfjb:heh, ya, however it seems as it shoudln't screw around too much with what i have so hopefully it will be fine
[22:14] <Alex135> wolfjb: what is worse is its a "vista only" laptop
[22:14] <m_tadeu> how can I rename the "volumes" in dolphin?
[22:14] <Alex135> wolfjb: the bios limit some things in linux and it could get interesting...
[22:14] <wolfjb> Alex135: I have a Dell Precision M6300, I'm pretty happy with it, but I  haven't looked at the bios a lot
[22:15] <ardchoille> quentin: weird
[22:15] <dwidmann> ryanakca: ?
[22:15] <ardchoille> quentin: Perhaps ask in #kde ?
[22:15] <Alex135> wolfjb: i JUST loooked up the bios and it turns out an upgrade came out this year so i know i have an older version, look up the stats for the Toshiba Satellite A135-S4666
[22:15] <quentin> ardchoille ok, will do that. Thanks for helping!
[22:16] <Alex135> wolfjb: i got it for $415 USD and its an amazing laptop
[22:16] <ryanakca> dwidmann: back, sorry, yes, 8.10
[22:16] <ardchoille> quentin: fwiw, did you try both ports 465 or 587 for smtp?
[22:17] <wolfjb> Alex135: that's amazing! mine was close to $3k
[22:17] <SJrX>  Is there any benifit to using the 64-bit version of Kubuntu if my proc supports it?
[22:17] <memeemeee> Alex135, actually there is a linux driver on the cd it's a Rosewill RC 400-LX (Realtek)
[22:17] <Alex135> wolfjb: the only downside on mine is the video card, its an intel media accelerator
[22:17] <Alex135> memeemeee: no clue, sorry
[22:18] <wolfjb> Alex135: well, if you aren't gaming, it probably doesn't matter too much
[22:18] <Alex135> memeemeee: or, what hapens when you try to install the driver
[22:18] <memeemeee> I get [Module] error 2
[22:18] <m_tadeu> SJrX: mine got a bit faster
[22:18] <Alex135> wolfjb: ya, but a bit of gameing is nice once in a while, a computer geek has to have a bit of fun when he fries his brain on something dificult all day :P
[22:19] <wolfjb> Alex135: no doubt
[22:19] <wolfjb> Alex135: I play openarena quite a bit
[22:19] <_dennister> hi again, still looking for some basic networking help with new intrepid installation
[22:19] <wolfjb> Alex135: maybe someday I'll actually be good at it! :)
[22:20] <_dennister> dhcp was working at first, now i can't even ping the modem/router
[22:20] <Alex135> wolfjb: other window
[22:21] <dwidmann> ryanakca: this could potentially be related but it's hard to say https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/guidance-power-manager/+bug/290854
[22:23] <ryanakca> dwidmann: thanks
[22:23] <dwidmann> ryanakca: don't really know of a solution though
[22:23] <dwidmann> ryanakca: short of not using guidnce
[22:24] <ryanakca> dwidmann: *nod*, thanks
[22:28] <_dennister> hi again, still looking for some basic networking help with new intrepid installation
[22:28] <leonardolima> hi there
[22:29] <_dennister> anyone available?
[22:29] <leonardolima> I need some help
[22:29] <_dennister> dhcp was working at first, now i can't even ping the modem/router
[22:29] <leonardolima> I can't open any web page on Konqueror
[22:29] <leonardolima> it doesn't load
[22:29] <leonardolima> anybody can help me pliz?
[22:30] <leonardolima> uh?
[22:30] <leonardolima> nick leonardo
[22:30] <nardolima> hello
[22:33] <draik_> What is knotify and kded
[22:34] <ardchoille> draik_: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdeaccessibility/kttsd/knotify.html
[22:34] <mot_> anybody else having a problem with firefox 3.0.3 on kde 4.1.2 (8.10) not saving cookied sessions? i.e. even if i check 'remember' me on sites i still have to come back and log in every single time i close the site...
[22:35] <ardchoille> draik_: http://api.kde.org/4.0-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kded/html/index.html
[22:35] <serguma> hello, anyone here can help me with a problem?
[22:36] <draik_> ardchoille: Thanks. Is it safe to kill knotify? It keeps getting 86'd at every shutdown
[22:36] <wolfjb> how do I change the runlevel in 8.10?
[22:36] <wolfjb> ie during boot, I'd like to start at runlevel 5
[22:36] <vadrao> Hi all, where can I see the ethernet device/wireless device that is being used by my notebook in the system setttings. I am using Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE4.
[22:37] <ardchoille> draik_: not sure. I think knotify starts up with kde initialization
[22:37] <draik_> kded is taking 50-60% of CPUT
[22:37] <draik_> *CPU
[22:38] <draik_> Should that be normal?
[22:38] <serguma> I just updated and I can't see the contents of my NTFS partitions :(
[22:38] <wolfjb> vadrao: if you have knetworkmanager running it should tell you
[22:39] <_jeff_drumgod_> algum BR por aqui ?
[22:39] <ardchoille> !br | _jeff_drumgod_
[22:39] <ptl> hello
[22:39] <_jeff_drumgod_> #ubuntu-br
[22:39] <ptl> has anyone else noticed that the latest kdebase upgrade broke yakuake by not allowing transparence?
[22:39] <ptl> _jeff_drumgod_: ?
[22:39] <Foodcoman> Anyone know anything about working the task bar in KDE 4.  Im lost.
[22:39] <_jeff_drumgod_> ptl: hello
[22:40] <draik_> ptl: He forgot to put "/j" in front of the channel
[22:40] <ptl> draik_: I see :P
[22:40] <draik_> ptl: ;)
[22:40] <ptl> Foodcoman: what do you mean by working?
[22:40] <ptl> mine is working alright
[22:40] <d3vil__> trappist you have command to config one ircdserver in putty
[22:40] <Foodcoman> I wanted to group say my Web browser.
[22:41] <d3vil__> to add oper something like that
[22:41] <ptl> Does anyone else here use yakuake and can confirm that, please?
[22:41] <Foodcoman> I just dont know how to configure it like kde 3.5.... LOST
[22:41] <vadrao> wolfjb: I am running knetworkmanager (the little green world icon) in my taskbar. When I right click on it and check all the options none of them correspond to the thing I want to know
[22:43] <vadrao> I have internet conection now.. But not through wireless.. So I want to check if Kubuntu has detected my device and do not know where to do or start from
[22:44] <wolfjb> vadrao: dmesg might tell you
[22:44] <trappist> d3vil__: configuring an ircd is very complicated.  there is no command.
[22:45] <ilya_> hi all . Guys how i can look in console - my bluetooth devices?
[22:45] <d3vil__> just for example
[22:45] <d3vil__> totell me
[22:45] <d3vil__> oper conf services conf
[22:45] <d3vil__> inlinux is diferent
[22:45] <d3vil__> or not
[22:46] <ptl> vadrao: try to update now, I just got my wireless working after that.
[22:46] <_dennister> trappist: could u help me pls? having trouble with basic networking in intrepid...worked at first, now can't even ping my router
[22:46] <ptl> ilya_: sdptool scan
[22:47] <trappist> d3vil__: I did it once a million years ago, but I don't remember much about it anymore.  you'll need to ask elsewhere for help configuring the ircd.
[22:47] <ptl> ilya_: Sorry, that's hcitool scan. And if you want to see your local devices attached to your computer, hcitool dev
[22:48] <d3vil__> elsewhere hello
[22:48] <trappist> d3vil__: elsewhere means somewhere else
[22:49] <d3vil__> ok
[22:50] <vadrao> ptl: I am using the latest 4.1.3 actually
[22:50] <vadrao> Kubuntu 8.10
[22:50] <KDesk> I dont know why my monitor shutsdown after 10 minutes of inactivity, but I have it set to 6 in my System Settings, also the xorg.conf is clear. What else can it be?
[22:51] <vadrao> I would like to know how I can see which ethernet card I am using (not through command line) but through Knetworkmanager
[22:51] <vadrao> Please give me the instructions to do so
[22:51] <vadrao> Because geneuinely I am unable to find it
[22:53] <wolfjb> how do you set the default boot runlevel?
[22:53] <KDesk> vadrao: I think that is not possible.. I haven't found it neighter.
[22:54] <vadrao> So, is it that the Knetworkmanager (the latest version) is not capable of doing it ?
[22:55] <ilya_> ptl: tnx. hci0 == bluetooth? in kde4 i can manage my bluetooth device through gui ?
[22:59] <memeemeee> Alex135, when i try to install the driver I get http://pastebin.com/m54ead522
[23:00] <draik> How do I get a screensaver in /usr/local/bin/ to appear in my Screensaver menu?
[23:03] <aaroncampbell> if kpdf no longer in the repos for 8.10?
[23:04] <leonardo_> hi
[23:04] <ardchoille> !info okular | aaroncampbell
[23:04] <aaroncampbell> ardchoille: that's the preferred replacement for kpdf?
[23:04] <aaroncampbell> and/or kghostview?
[23:05] <ardchoille> I think okular replaced both
[23:05] <leonardo_> IDK
[23:05] <leonardo_> I can't open any page on Konqueror
[23:05] <leonardo_> can u help me?
[23:06] <leonardo_> I can't open any page on Konqueror
[23:06] <leonardo_> can u help me?
[23:06] <ardchoille> leonardo_: What exactly is happening?
[23:06] <ardchoille> leonardo_: error? crash?
[23:06] <leonardo_> IDk ... I'm connected and I type a URL on Konqueror and it doesn't open
[23:06] <leonardo_> I only connect on this IRC client
[23:07] <ptl> !info kviewshell
[23:07] <ptl> !info yakuake
[23:07] <vadrao> leonardo_: which version of KDE you are using ? Go to Konqueror>>Help>> About KDE and tell us
[23:07] <leonardo_> r u here yet ardchoille?
[23:08] <leonardo_> version 3.5.9
[23:08] <ardchoille> leonardo_: yes I'm here but your responses are a bit vague for me. Is konqueror waiting and trying to open the page or what?
[23:08] <leonardo_> apt-get doesn't work here too
[23:08] <ardchoille> leonardo_: you need to update your system
[23:09] <ardchoille> the current in hardy is 3.5.10
[23:09] <leonardo_> no the msg that appears is like that:
[23:09] <leonardo_> Um erro ocorreu ao carregar http://google.com.br/:
[23:09] <leonardo_> Não foi possível conectar-se à máquina http://google.com.br/.
[23:09] <leonardo_> how can I do that.. sorry I'm a newbie
[23:10] <Foodcoman> Here is an interesting point.  Help/About KDE in Konversation shows KDE version at 3.5.10, yet Help/About KDE in Konqueror shows 4.1.3
[23:10] <ardchoille> leonardo_: open a terminal and run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:10] <leonardo_> it's working
[23:10] <ardchoille> leonardo_: then restart kde and see if the problem still exists
[23:11] <leonardo_> u mean restart the system or just de x server?
[23:11] <KDesk> Foodcoman: there isn't any Konversation for KDE4, it is pre-alpha.
[23:11] <greengoby> I am looking to install kde4... is kde4-core the one to use to install the main components of kde?
[23:11] <tacosarecool> hello
[23:11] <ardchoille> Foodcoman: the reason for that is not all apps have been proted to kde4 yet
[23:12] <ardchoille> *ported
[23:12] <Foodcoman> KDesk: Gotcha.  I just thought they did a system call or something to get the version.
[23:12] <greengoby> tacosarecool: Howdy
[23:12] <leonardo_> u mean restart the system or just de x server?
[23:12] <ardchoille> leonardo_: after the updates complete, log out and back in
[23:13] <Foodcoman> Kdesk: Anxiously excited about 4.2, hopefully it will add grouping tasks on the taskbar.
[23:13] <leonardo_> ok.. do u think it could be the browser? how can I get firefox here?
[23:13] <jtechidna> Foodcoman: grouping has been added for KDE 4.2
[23:13] <jtechidna> you can even group manually. I've never seen any desktop let you do that
[23:13] <ardchoille> leonardo_: it could be a number of things, but those maybe fixed with an update, it's good to run current versions
[23:14] <KDesk> Foodcoman: I am also looking forward KDE 4.2 :)
[23:14] <memeemeee> when i try to install the driver I get http://pastebin.com/m54ead522
[23:14] <ardchoille> leonardo_: you can install firefox with: sudo apt-get install firefox
[23:14] <ardchoille> leonardo_: but wait and see if konq works
[23:15] <draik> I don't know why, but everything is sending my processor into 100% usage
[23:16] <leonardo_> ok..
[23:16] <Foodcoman> jtechidna: 3.5.xxx had an option to group similar tasks ont he taskbar that I used.  That way all firefoxes where together when you had multiple windows.
[23:17] <KDesk> I think that is the common grouping way
[23:17] <Foodcoman> jtechidna: Missed your post,  Great its in 4.2... Wooop.
[23:17] <jtechidna> :)
[23:17] <greengoby> wow... kdebase-kde4 is a mess...I get all types of unmet dependencies... I thought that was the purpose of apt-get install to simplify these issues...
[23:18] <jtechidna> greengoby: in intrepid?
[23:19] <greengoby> jtechidna: Nope just from command line...
[23:19] <Foodcoman> LOL
[23:19] <jtechidna> I mean, what version of (K)Ubuntu are you using?
[23:19] <ardchoille> greengoby: are you running Kubuntu intrepid or Hardy or what?
[23:20] <ptl> wow, the packages I just updated today have a new version already
[23:20] <ptl> let's do a full-upgrade then!
[23:20] <Foodcoman> Intrepid = 8.10  Hardy = 8.04 right?
[23:20] <ardchoille> yes
[23:20] <greengoby> ardchoille: 8.04 LTS...not Kubuntu... I came and asked for the correct package name to install from command line...
[23:20] <ptl> no new versions :(
[23:21] <ardchoille> greengoby: so you want kde4 on Hardy?
[23:21] <greengoby> Indeed...
[23:21] <Foodcoman> Ubuntu base install adding KDE.
[23:21] <jtechidna> greengoby: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.2
[23:21] <ardchoille> jtechidna: ^^
[23:21] <ardchoille> man, yu're fast :)
[23:21] <jtechidna> :P
[23:21] <greengoby> jtechidna: Thanks...
[23:22]  * Foodcoman stopwatch showed seconds.  BAM!
[23:23] <tacosarecool> Anyway for ati x300 to behave good on 8.10
[23:24] <tacosarecool> Well it's behaving good enough
[23:24] <tacosarecool> But not that well
[23:24] <tacosarecool> !ubotu
[23:25] <Foodcoman> tacosarecool: I am having some ATI issues with the Raedon Mobility 3650......  Someone said its related in part to the newer X.
[23:25] <tacosarecool> I know but is this the kernel or canonical?
[23:26] <Foodcoman> tacosarecool: Im uncertain.  Just what someone else smarter than I said when I asked.  LOL..
[23:28] <tacosarecool> I just hope ubuntu isn't a new vista
[23:28] <tacosarecool> Open source atleast
[23:28] <tacosarecool> I'm glad it's open source
[23:29] <bobbo85> I just tried to make a new partition, gparted gave me an error "Syncing device. FAILED" - now the device isn't even showing up in the device list!  Any help?
[23:29] <Foodcoman> KDE 4 is  bigger, price for the the fancy bling.......  However most newer machines do great with it.  My laptop is not slow at all with it.
[23:30] <tacosarecool> At first I didn't like KDE4 now I do
[23:30] <tacosarecool> I think they could optimize a little more though
[23:31] <npresta> Foodcoman: I find KDE4 actually better with resources than KDE3 if you disable all the fancy 'effects'
[23:32] <Foodcoman> tacosarecool: Polish will come as it matures.
[23:32] <esperegu> why is lilo installed and not grub?
[23:32] <Foodcoman> npresta: I have not turned off anything yet.  Still flying on this machine.
[23:33] <npresta> Foodcoman: for sure. Newer machines won't have any problem with KDE4 just as they didn't have any problems with KDE3. :)
[23:33] <tacosarecool> However they stole something from mac
[23:33] <tacosarecool> Lol
[23:33] <npresta> tacosarecool: how so?
[23:33] <tacosarecool> I don't care that they stole something from mac
[23:33] <tacosarecool> You know that
[23:33] <tacosarecool> Trick
[23:33] <tacosarecool> With where you can select windows
[23:33] <tacosarecool> It's like squares
[23:33] <npresta> tacosarecool: expose?
[23:34] <tacosarecool> Maybe
[23:34] <tacosarecool> It's like a task manager but in squares and fancy
[23:34] <Foodcoman> tacosarecool: I am a windows administrator, Linux hobbiest and became a MAC admirer when they went to a unix core.
[23:35] <brauerle> how do I upgrade from 8.04 to 810? Adept_updater doesn't tell, that there is a new release available, like it did on 7.10.
[23:35] <npresta> In all honesty, I'm glad there is competition and 'borrowing' of useful features. It makes things better and competition only drives innovation.
[23:35] <npresta> !upgrade | brauerle
[23:35] <brauerle> thx
[23:35] <mitsarionas> hi... i just noticed kppp isn't in the intrepid default packages... is there any other app that handles dialup (among these installed by default) ?
[23:37] <Foodcoman> npresta: Complete argeement.  If its good, its good who ever came up with it.
[23:38] <npresta> mitsarionas: maybe knet?
[23:38] <npresta> mitsarionas: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/knet
[23:38] <Foodcoman> mitsarionas: check your repose that are enabled.  I show it.
[23:39] <Foodcoman> berickson@megageek4:~$ apt-cache search kppp
[23:39] <Foodcoman> kppp - modem dialer for KDE 4
[23:39] <mitsarionas> hmm... didn't know about it... but still it isn't installed by default is it?
[23:40] <npresta> mitsarionas: I can't check. Is there a reason it has to be installed by default? I thought kppp was there by default
[23:40] <mitsarionas> on intrepid it isn't! that's what surprised me...
[23:40] <Foodcoman> mitsarionas: No its not. go to the package manager and configure your repositories to add the other stuff.  Should show up after that.
[23:40] <npresta> !info kppp
[23:41] <npresta> Its in the main repo, but optional, yes.
[23:41] <Foodcoman> mitsarionas: sudo apt-get install kppp
[23:42] <npresta> Anyways. I should be heading out. Later all
[23:42] <Foodcoman> l8r npresta
[23:42] <Foodcoman> me too.
[23:42] <KDesk> How can I change the defaul apps size every time I start them?
[23:43] <mitsarionas> i know how to apt-get :) ...it's just that it struck me as weird not having a ppp dialer installed by default...
[23:44] <bobbo85> anyone good with gparted errors???
[23:44] <mitsarionas> knet seems cool too
[23:46] <estan> hello. i just upgraded to intrepid and i lost all my notes (notes plasmoids), can i get them back?
[23:47] <jtechidna> estan: the text inside the notes can be found in ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc
[23:47] <estan> jtechidna: ah thanks.. i see it now.. is there a way to re-enable them?
[23:48] <bdizzle> hi, I was wondering if there was a reason why Open Office didn't upgrade from 2.4 to 3.0 when it upgraded?
[23:48] <jtechidna> you could copy the whole file to ~/.kde/share/config/
[23:48] <jtechidna> bdizzle: Intrepid doesn't have openoffice 3.0
[23:49] <estan> jtechidna: ah so that's what happened, hardy -> intrepid went from ~/.kde4 to ~/.kde..
[23:50] <jtechidna> yup
[23:50] <bdizzle> strange
[23:50] <estan> i'll just re-create them and copy over the text.. have to re-format it a bit. thanks.
[23:50] <marco> erm... where can I find kubuntu's power management settings?
[23:50] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  Now that I'm in KDE 4.1 I can't use a menubar like that used in Mac.  So I need to change the menus to the normal looking ones like in Windows.  However, I can't figure out how to do this.  Any ideas?
[23:51] <tacosarecool> Oh ertain
[23:51] <werenerd> hey all, anyone here have experience with Subsonic?
[23:51] <tacosarecool> Right click the k
[23:51] <tacosarecool> And click change to classic
[23:51] <bdizzle> is there a way to get the .deb files of it?
[23:51] <tacosarecool> www.getdeb.net
[23:51] <Ertain> Ah, thank you tacosarecool.
[23:51] <tacosarecool> Your welcome
[23:52] <DarkSmoke> i think my kubuntu is not checking for updates
[23:52] <DarkSmoke> i checked myself after a weak
[23:52] <DarkSmoke> 72 upgrades
[23:52] <DarkSmoke> :/
[23:52] <NekroJakub> Hi, I have a quick question. Can I do something like this: Install Kubuntu by using Wubi, and then from the level of that Wubi Kubuntu install a standard Kubuntu to a new partition?
[23:53] <marco> where can I manage the power management settings for my computer on kubuntu?
[23:54] <ptl> KOOL
[23:54] <ptl> my kubuntu returned to work now
[23:54] <ptl> yakuake's transparency is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:54] <ptl> I can see gmail window right through you guys :P
[23:56] <login_> OI
[23:56] <ptl> Oi, login_
[23:56] <login_> TUDO BOM
[23:56] <ptl> login_: speak in english, please
[23:57] <ptl> login_: fale em inglês aqui, por favor
[23:57] <login_> PODEMOS TC
[23:57] <ptl> login_: Se você quer discutir em português, use o canal #ubuntu-br -- If you want to discuss in portuguese, use the #ubuntu-br channel
[23:58] <ptl> login_: INGLÊS... ENGLISH... POR FAVOR / PLEASE
[23:58] <login_> COMO VAI
[23:59] <Ertain> My programs don't have a "Files", "Views", or "Tools" options at the top of the programs.