[09:09] <LanceHaig> ogra: ping
[09:10] <LanceHaig> has anyone installed MID on a dell axim before?
[09:11] <LanceHaig> or run the live CD version on a axim
[14:06] <cgregan> brianchidester: I'm having some home construction starting up.....I will be in a bit late today while they ramp up. Ping me if you need anything.
[16:03] <persia> ian_brasil, About hildonisation: Personally, I think it's best when upstreams either build both binaries, or make it available as a compile flag.  In the latter case, I think it's best to build twice in packaging so that every architecture has both the hildonised and non-hildonised variants available.
[16:07] <ian_brasil> persia: for liferea i did it like 
[16:07] <ian_brasil> dnl ********
[16:07] <ian_brasil> dnl Hildon
[16:07] <ian_brasil> dnl ********
[16:07] <ian_brasil>  
[16:07] <ian_brasil> if test "x$enable_hildon" = "xyes"; then
[16:07] <ian_brasil>    dnl AC_MSG_CHECKING([for GtkHTML2 support])
[16:07] <ian_brasil>    PKG_CHECK_MODULES([HILDON], hildon-1 >= 1.0.5,enable_hildon=yes,enable_hildon=no)
[16:07] <ian_brasil>    AC_SUBST(HILDON_CFLAGS)
[16:07] <ian_brasil>    AC_SUBST(HILDON_LIBS)
[16:07] <ian_brasil> else
[16:07] <ian_brasil>    enable_hildon=no
[16:07] <ian_brasil> fi
[16:07] <ian_brasil> AM_CONDITIONAL(WITH_HILDON, test "x$enable_hildon" = "xyes")
[16:08] <persia> ian_brasil, That's the nice easy way to do it :)  In that case, in the packaging, you'll want to have two build runs, to create the liferea and liferea-hildon binaries.
[16:09] <ian_brasil> ah ok , cool
[16:09] <persia> Ideally, it would be nice to support a hildon environment for !lpia architectures : as an example, there are a few powerpc devices for which such an environment would be useful.
[16:11] <persia> Currently, many of the hildonised packages in the repos are done in an architecture-specific manner, which means 1) it's hard to support powerpc or older i586 or i486 devices, and 2) One can't safely install Ubuntu Desktop or Ubuntu UMPC as lpia.
[16:11] <persia> Given the increasing form factor of lpia devices, and recent news about more new powerpc devices, I think both of those are bugs worth fixing.
[16:19] <ian_brasil> that is a great idea..i have an old powerbook powerpc that would look great hildonized
[16:21] <persia> ian_brasil, Well, I was thinking of things like http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6400447723.html or http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9467588685.html but it works for older stuff too :)
[16:22] <persia> Of course, 1GB flash is kinda small, but that's probably fixable somehow.
[19:34] <TomHal> brian
[19:34] <TomHal> u there
[20:46] <rhpot1991_laptop> ogra: ever get anywhere with the umpc to standard desktop howto?
[20:46] <ogra> rhpot1991_laptop, i never planned one for "standard" ... i think you mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/TurnUMPCDesktopIntoNetbook
[20:50] <rhpot1991_laptop> hmmmm, would it be hard to turn umpc into a standard desktop, and would that have any benefits over just using regular ubuntu?
[20:53] <ogra> rhpot1991_laptop, just only use the first apt-get remove :)
[20:54] <ogra> and wipe ~/.gconf
[20:54] <ogra> after that and installing firefox, you have a default ubuntu desktop  
[20:54] <ogra> feel free to make a howto out of that ;)
[20:54] <rhpot1991_laptop> heh, if its no different then its better to just stick with the standard install
[20:55] <rhpot1991_laptop> I know some eee specific distros do tweaks to try and keep window sizes smaller, was wondering if anything like that would be in place
[20:56] <ogra> not yet
[20:57] <ogra> we will start pulling in app patches and also push them upstream in jaunty
[20:57] <rhpot1991_laptop> at least I think eeebuntu is doing that, unless my eyes are playing tricks on me
[20:57] <ogra> umps in intrepid was only a first shot, mainly to get attention and generate feedback, in jaunty it might look totally different
[20:57] <ogra> *umpc
[23:01] <KarlsBerg> hello
[23:01] <KarlsBerg> im using umpc version in acer aspire one, and is too unstable, u get gnome crashed each day
[23:01] <KarlsBerg> somes times in the day
[23:05] <KarlsBerg> every day also with the "wait" and "force quit"