[00:10] <Star568> hi folks, i am new to ubuntu, what xbuntun good at compare with the regular ubuntu?
[00:11] <Star568> any more details about the two version?
[01:21] <dawalker> hello everyone
[01:54] <ball> iPlayer needs its bottom kicked
[03:47] <Guma> I installed gcc and g++ but when I try to build simple C program I get error message "error: ‘atoi’ was not declared in this scope"
[03:47] <Guma> what package do I need to install?
[05:33] <ushimitsudoki> Anyone having problems with windows "disappearing" after running a fullscreen OpenGL app? If I switch to compiz, they re-appear, but under xfwm4 they are "invisible" although they do show up on middle click and with alt-tab? Can't find anything on this when I search. Did not happen in 8.04.
[06:29] <kattollikisd> Can someone here tell me if xubuntu is very dificult if I put it next to GNOME?
[07:08] <mijanebuntu> guys i just installed 8.04, and even tho i  installed flash, i ran intoa prob that vids won't play... you tube page says i have to enable java, but i checkd and java is enabled...
[07:14] <R1cochet> mijanebuntu: there some packs that you need to install through synaptic after a fresh install of xubuntu
[07:15] <R1cochet> mijanebuntu: did you install from live cd?
[07:29] <mijanebuntu> R1cochet: yes from live cd, actually ubuntu
[07:31] <mijanebuntu> R1cochet: just noticed something else weird too, is that i had chatzilla in the tray while i was doing other things, and even tho you answerd me by name, it din't alert me
[07:32] <mijanebuntu> R1cochet: what other packages, and where can i find info about that, i don't ever remember having to install auxilliary packages to make flash work
[08:18] <dentex> Hi, info about acerone xubuntu 8.10?
[08:28] <dentex> alternate o desktop xubuntu for acer one 110L?
[08:29] <spaetz> Hi all. What do people use to manage multiple monitors in xubuntu?
[08:30] <spaetz> My wife has an ee pc and I don't want her to force the xrandr command line syntax
[08:30] <spaetz> I have been searching the wiki and the forums but haven't found a good solution.
[08:31] <favro> !dualhead | spaetz
[08:32] <spaetz> ubottu: thanks, I'll have a look over there
[08:32] <favro> there is the #eeepc channel as well
[08:32] <spaetz> err, thanks favro :-)
[08:32] <favro> hehe
[08:33] <favro> !xinerama
[09:45] <R1cochet> trying to install screensaver and keep getting errors
[09:45] <R1cochet> can som1 Please help
[09:46] <TheSheep> R1cochet: what errors? and ow do you do it?
[09:47] <R1cochet> TheSheep: following directions from: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Environment/Screensavers/Matrix-GL-Screensaver-1004.shtml
[09:47] <R1cochet> and i get: cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers/KMatrix_gl.desktop': No such file or directory
[09:47] <R1cochet> ...
[09:47] <R1cochet> cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/share/applnk-mdk/.hidden/ScreenSavers/KMatrix_gl.desktop': No such file or directory
[09:47] <R1cochet> Install complete
[09:48] <R1cochet> but its not complete £aughing Ôut £oud
[09:49] <knome> öhm
[09:49] <R1cochet> so i log in as root with sudo su
[09:49] <R1cochet> then navigate to the temp folder i extracted files too
[09:50] <R1cochet> then try to run the install command: ./matrix_gl -install
[09:53] <TheSheep> R1cochet: sudo apt-get install xscreensaver-data-extra
[09:55] <R1cochet> TheSheep: doing now
[09:56] <R1cochet> ok got it
[09:56] <R1cochet> im in screensaver manager now
[09:57] <R1cochet> what am i looking for?
[09:57] <TheSheep> GLMatrix
[09:57] <R1cochet> i already have that 1
[09:57] <R1cochet> the one im trying to install is a diff one
[09:58] <R1cochet> GLMatrix ships w/ xubuntu i believe
[10:00] <TheSheep> yes, sorry, I thought you wanted that
[10:00] <TheSheep> R1cochet: well, obviously the installer is broken, it should use 'install' instead of 'cp', you can report a bug to the developer
[10:01] <R1cochet> developer of xubuntu or the screensaver?
[10:01] <TheSheep> of the screensaver, xubuntu has nothing to do with it
[10:01] <R1cochet> ok Thank ¥ou
[10:06] <R1cochet> TheSheep: is it ok to install kscreensaver?
[10:06] <TheSheep> I'm not sure
[10:06] <TheSheep> well, it's ok to install it, nothing will break
[10:07] <R1cochet> ok
[10:07] <R1cochet> Thank ¥ou again
[10:07] <TheSheep> but it's some work to make it work instead of the gnome-screensaver
[10:07] <R1cochet> oh
[10:07] <R1cochet> i just wanted the screensavers themselves not the app
[10:08] <R1cochet> i take it then the screensavers are the same but for KDE instead?
[10:09] <TheSheep> I'm not sure whether they are compatible
[10:09] <R1cochet> all good
[10:09] <R1cochet> one last thing
[10:19] <R1cochet> TheSheep: §orry froze up
[10:20] <R1cochet> theres a screensaver called Pictures folder
[10:21] <R1cochet> where do u find this folder to add pics to it?
[10:23] <TheSheep> hmm... the package screensaver-default-images puts some images in /usr/share/backgrounds
[10:24] <R1cochet> aww Thank ¥ou much
[10:36] <bluespuke> hi
[10:36] <bluespuke> i have one more question, this time about hotpluging
[10:37] <bluespuke> i follow this guide: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Hotplugging_USB_audio_devices_(Howto)
[10:37] <bluespuke> one moment (at the end) they use a folder called /etc/hotplug/, i don't have this folder. should i create it or does it come from a package i didn't install?
[10:44] <Ad0> shouldn't come with the hotplug package?
[10:44] <Ad0> maybe you can just make it
[10:45] <bluespuke> is this package standart in xubuntu?
[10:47] <bluespuke> ok i created the folder, hotplug should be installed because my USB-stick works fine
[11:22] <Indoctrine> I have a PNG I wish to set as a splash screen, how do I go about this?
[11:23] <TheSheep> !splash
[11:23] <TheSheep> meh, that's wrong for xubuntu :/
[11:23] <TheSheep> Indoctrine: the boot splash?
[11:24] <TheSheep> !usplash
[11:24] <Indoctrine> Ummm, the one that has options for in Settings Manager.
[11:24] <TheSheep> Indoctrine: ah, then just select a splash that takes images, and configure it to use your image
[11:25] <Indoctrine> TheSheep: How?
[11:25] <TheSheep> Indoctrine: for example, select 'simple', then click on 'configure', thre check 'use custom image' and below that select teh image to use
[11:26] <Indoctrine> Ah
[11:26] <Indoctrine> Thanks much
[11:26] <Indoctrine> I tried editing Balou
[11:26] <Indoctrine> And it told me to install a theme. :p
[11:28] <Ben_Cs> hello
[11:29] <Ben_Cs> i don't know what changes were made but just editing xorg.conf doesn't add another keboard layout. please help
[11:54] <mijanebuntu> help please.  installd 8.04 with flash 10, no vid and sound, uninstalled 10 replaced with 9, still no vid, replaced flash 9 with gnash, and still no luck, can someone tell me what i may have done wrong?  someone askd me if i installed from live disk, yes, i did ...
[11:54] <TheSheep> mijanebuntu: how did you install flash?
[11:54] <mijanebuntu> TheSheep: with synaptic
[11:55] <TheSheep> hrm, should work :/
[11:55] <TheSheep> mijanebuntu: is that a 64 bit system?
[11:55] <mijanebuntu> thats what i said :P
[11:58] <mijanebuntu> actually this sys a favor for a friend, did him the favor of wiping vista home off his acer laptop last nite ... started at 10pm, and by the time i was done adding, tweaking, configuring, etc was finally putting it through paces at 2 am when i saw no dice with video/flash
[11:59] <mijanebuntu> TheSheep: ooops, sorry, din't hear you.  uh .... hope not, i used the 386 live cd ... how can i check
[12:02] <soren> What am I supposed to use for burning audio CD's in Xubuntu?
[12:03] <soren> Ah, xfburn, obviously.
[12:04] <romanov_> **hello, please how you can activate mouse multiple selection in xubuntu 8.10 desktop
[12:04] <TheSheep> soren: brasero
[12:04] <TheSheep> mijanebuntu: then irt's 32 bit
[12:05] <TheSheep> romanov_: multiple selection?
[12:05] <soren> TheSheep: Ah, thanks
[12:05] <romanov_> **yes selecting more than one icon with mouse
[12:06] <TheSheep> romanov_: just open the Desktop directory with thunar
[12:07] <TheSheep> romanov_: and hold down ctrl when selecting
[12:07] <mijanebuntu> TheSheep: its acer 3680 i found info here: http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/acer-aspire-3680-2249/4507-3121_7-32416895.html?tag=mncol;psum  ...   so, 32 bit is right for the disk i used?
[12:08] <TheSheep> mijanebuntu: yes
[12:08] <romanov_> **no way to do this directly in the desktop ? (without thunar)
[12:08] <TheSheep> romanov_: no
[12:08] <TheSheep> romanov_: will be probably fixed in xfce 4.6
[12:08] <romanov_> **ok thunks TheSheep
[12:09] <mijanebuntu> hmmmm... so i wondr what the prob is then ... i brb, gotta take the dog out to the yard, he's scratching on the door
[12:20] <R1cochet> TheSheep: where can i get xwinwrap for hardy x86? ive searched synaptic and the net
[12:20] <R1cochet> but to no avail
[12:21] <R1cochet> excuse me x64
[12:27] <mijanebuntu> TheSheep: i just noticed the file size on the 386 iso is only 544 mb, is that right?
[12:30] <mijanebuntu> R1cochet: wasn't that you that said there was some other files i had to download to make flash work on a livecd install of 8.04?
[12:35] <mijanebuntu> TheSheep: how can i troubleshoot this prob, i promised my buddy to have his laptop back to him today ... arrrrgggghhhh :P
[12:45] <R1cochet> mijanebuntu: yes it was me but i couldnt find which ones it was
[12:45] <R1cochet> however try the website i believe thats where i saw it
[12:45] <R1cochet> anyone: how do i stop a program in terminal?
[12:48] <mijanebuntu> R1cochet: xkill or killall
[12:49] <mijanebuntu> i did a search on : acer aspire 3680 ubuntu flash problems  and din't seem to get any relevant return
[12:53] <R1cochet> mijanebuntu: if i use either of those how will it know what to kill?
[12:54] <mijanebuntu> R1cochet: type xkill into the terminal, then the cursor will turn into a skull and crossbones or an 'x', move it up into the window bar of the program you want to kill and click
[12:57] <R1cochet> mijanebuntu: Thank ¥ou
[12:58] <R1cochet> mijanebuntu: did you try the xubuntu website to search for the unincluded packs?
[12:59] <R1cochet> mijanebuntu: or did you try to update or add plugin throught firefox?
[13:00] <R1cochet> mijanebuntu: i just checked synaptic for "nonfree" and i see that i have "flashplugin-nonfree" installed
[13:00] <R1cochet> try that
[13:01] <R1cochet> i know i had the same issue you are having when i installed while back but forgot what i did, also some1 in here helped me
[13:01] <mijanebuntu> R1cochet: what do you mean add plugin through firefox, are you talking about as a firefox 'addon'?
[13:02] <R1cochet> yea i was but look in synaptic first for flashplugin-nonfree
[13:02] <R1cochet> nope i found it =)
[13:02] <mijanebuntu> TheSheep: if i want to try swfdec out, do i have to uninstall flash first?  prolly yes, huh?
[13:02] <R1cochet> mijanebuntu: its xubuntu-restricted-extras
[13:03] <R1cochet> thats the pack you need when u do fresh install
[13:03] <R1cochet> type "extras" in search tab, it should be last package
[13:05] <R1cochet> £aughing Ôut £oud what a great name "vistakiller"
[13:08] <R1cochet> mijanebuntu hope that helps i gotta get some rest now have to wake in 2hrs
[13:09] <web_knows> hi
[13:09] <R1cochet> hi
[13:10] <R1cochet> what does the web know? wikipedia is not reliable
[13:11] <deoks> R1cochet: Why?
[13:11] <deoks> Many wikipedia articles contains loads of references and sources for addional information.
[13:12] <R1cochet> because any jackass can go in there and add/edit/remove information
[13:13] <R1cochet> if you were to write a paper in college they wont accept wikipedia as a source
[13:13] <soren> Sure they will.
[13:13] <R1cochet> im not saying the info is wrong just that its not always reliable
[13:13] <R1cochet> no they wont man
[13:13] <soren> They will and they have.
[13:14] <R1cochet> maybe yours has
[13:14] <soren> It totally depends on the type of information.
[13:15] <soren> Just like any jackass can edit wikipedia articles, he can also write crap on his own and post it as a pdf. That's exactly as unreliable.
[13:15] <R1cochet> £aughing Ôut £oud how is that the same?
[13:15] <R1cochet> anyways im off to bed
[13:16] <soren> You're claiming that wikipedia is unreliable because anyone can edit it, and I'm pointing out that that is not a unique characteristic for Wikipedia.
[13:17] <soren> Anything that was ever written was written by some jackass who might be full of crap.
[13:17] <soren> Or not.
[13:17] <soren> There's no way to know except by reading it and validating it.
[13:18] <soren> I studied math. We'd use Wikipedia all the time to find theories, and then we'd go prove them in our papers. I don't see any problem with that at all.
[13:19] <soren> On the other hand, we spent at least twenty minutes during each and every lecture discussing where and how our text books were wrong in one way or the other.
[13:20] <soren> Just because some publisher thinks your stuff is valuable enough to cut down trees, slice them up, and tattoo them doesn't mean you're right.
[13:21] <soren> My point is that Wikipedia might not be reliable, but in practice, it turns out to be as reliable as most other things.
[13:21] <soren> "any jackass can edit stuff on wikipedia" is really just an extension to the concept of peer review.
[13:22] <TheSheep> lots of vanity press print shops around, that will print anything
[13:24] <soren> Even well respected publishers publish books full of errors.
[13:24] <soren> TheSheep: ..but you're absolutely right.
[13:25] <TheSheep> anyways, it's a little offtopic here
[14:55] <alangordon> hi
[15:08] <alangordon> hi i am new to this so plz be patient, i have just installed the latest xubuntu on an old Toshiba satellite pro 4600. I previousely had puppy linux on it with a display using xorg of 1024 x 800 but the best i can get with xubuntu is 800 x 600, anyone please help, the card is a cyberBlade /xp
[15:11] <mijanebuntu> TheSheep: have you had any other thoughts about what might be ailing flash on fresh install of 8.04?  i gotta get to bottom of this...  don't get any seemingly relevant returns on search
[15:12] <TheSheep> mijanebuntu: no idea, you migth try running firefox from terminal and looking for any warning messages
[15:12] <mijanebuntu> thats for anyone who might know whats causing my probs on this fresh install of 8.04, can't get vids to play ... tried flash 9, 10, gnash, and swfdec, and NOTHING ... heeeelllllllpppp :P
[15:13] <TheSheep> mijanebuntu: btw, maybe you also need to install some codecs?
[15:13] <mijanebuntu> TheSheep: you mean just start firefox from term?
[15:14] <TheSheep> mijanebuntu: yeah
[15:14] <mijanebuntu> TheSheep: how would i know what codecs?  don't get any particular error messages .. when i go to a youtube page it just advises me to 'get the latest version of flash'
[15:15] <mijanebuntu> TheSheep: what is the difference between starting firefox with the term as opposed to the menu?
[16:09] <SharkyPL> hello
[16:09] <SharkyPL> can somebody tell me how to check what am I connected to in my network?
[16:09] <knome> ?
[16:09] <SharkyPL> the NetworkManager is a complete failure
[16:09] <SharkyPL> it can connect me to everything I want
[16:09] <SharkyPL> but I have no idea how to check what address am I using
[16:09] <SharkyPL> what address am I connected to
[16:10] <SharkyPL> and I need to know it, because I have no idea what address my router is using
[16:10] <SharkyPL> is there any way
[16:10] <SharkyPL> to check what IP am I using and what IP am I connected to in my network?
[16:12] <SharkyPL> hmm, I guess not
[16:12] <knome> ifconfig
[16:12] <knome> from terminal
[16:13] <SharkyPL> I see
[16:13] <SharkyPL> but it still doesn't provide me with information
[16:13] <SharkyPL> what IP am I connected to
[16:13] <charlie-tca> SharkyPL: you can go to http://whatismyip.com to find your ip
[16:13] <SharkyPL> charlie-tca, I know, but I mean in my network
[16:14] <SharkyPL> I have a router I am connected to
[16:14] <charlie-tca> knome knows
[16:14] <knome> SharkyPL, on ipconfig, "inet addr" is your ip on the network
[16:14] <SharkyPL> my address is 192.168.1.101, that's what I can see in ifconfig
[16:14] <knome> SharkyPL, so what do you *want* to know?
[16:14] <SharkyPL> what address am I connected to
[16:15] <TheSheep> SharkyPL: try 'mtr some-extrenal-address-here'
[16:15] <TheSheep> SharkyPL: it will show you the path of your packages
[16:15] <TheSheep> SharkyPL: for example, mtr google.com
[16:15] <SharkyPL> TheSheep, you tell me I have to check every address from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.255 ?
[16:15] <SharkyPL> ohh, lemme see
[16:16] <SharkyPL> I can see only home.gateway
[16:16] <burim1> hello
[16:16] <SharkyPL> and then my ISP servers
[16:16] <TheSheep> SharkyPL: that's all there is
[16:17] <TheSheep> SharkyPL: try 'host home.gateway' now
[16:17] <SharkyPL> TheSheep - :O!
[16:17] <SharkyPL> I am very thankful for your help
[16:17] <SharkyPL> and for knome and charlie-tca's help
[16:17] <SharkyPL> that was too easy
[16:18] <burim1> im not sure xubuntu is the cause but since i installed it, my keyboard s not being recognized during the early stages of the computer's startup, which means i cant access the bios configuration or use the boot menu, any ideas how i can get the keyboard to work earlier ?
[16:18] <SharkyPL> still, I would love to find a way to implement these features in Network Applet, as it's nice, but it doesn't provide me with information on what address I'm using and what address I'm connected to
[16:18] <SharkyPL> burim1, is it connected to PS/2 port, or USB port?
[16:19] <TheSheep> SharkyPL: right-click on it and select 'connection information'
[16:19] <TheSheep> SharkyPL: it shows it all, at least in 8.10
[16:20] <SharkyPL> oh for FSM sake! I'm feeling so blind right now...
[16:20] <TheSheep> burim1: in bios settings enable 'usb legacy support'
[16:20] <TheSheep> burim1: or something like that
[16:20] <TheSheep> hrmm... wait, but you cannot access it
[16:20] <SharkyPL> it does, it surely shows every information I was looking for
[16:20] <burim1> its usb
[16:20] <TheSheep> burim1: make sure you connected the keyboard to the right ps/2 socket, there are two, one green and one violet, use the violet one
[16:20] <burim1> but i cant get into the bios
[16:21] <SharkyPL> burim1, I think you should use the PS/2 one (borrow one), and enable the USB Legacy Support
[16:21] <TheSheep> burim1: I'm sure it's not caused by xubuntu
[16:21] <SharkyPL> then the USB one should work
[16:22] <burim1> ehmehm i should have a usb-ps2 adapter lying somewhere around
[16:25] <SharkyPL> burim1, try it, then apply the Legacy Support and it should be working
[16:36] <stefan__> hey, i'm using xubuntu hardy and don't get an 'upgrade to intrepid' option in update manager (set release upgrade to "normal releases") - any ideas?
[16:37] <charlie-tca> stefan__: use this - http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[16:41] <stefan__> charlie-tca: already did that.
[16:41] <stefan__> charlie-tca: but it seems to be a proxy issue
[16:42] <stefan__> charlie-tca: i'll try messing with those settings and report back if i fail :) - thanks
[16:42] <charlie-tca> I see. That has worked for me on three systems.
[16:42] <SharkyPL> hello, sorry for interrupting again
[16:43] <SharkyPL> but I have a question regarding video drivers
[16:43] <SharkyPL> when I install fglrx, I can't see anything, as xorg starts in a very weird resolution and refresh rate
[16:43] <SharkyPL> which none of my monitors can handle
[16:43] <SharkyPL> thus, I can't change the resolution
[16:43] <SharkyPL> is there any way to change the resolution using terminal?
[16:44] <SharkyPL> the core resolution, the one that the welcome screen (where you put username and password) runs at
[16:45] <SharkyPL> I've read something about xrandr 1.2 controlling the core resolution now, and I've read the displayconfig-gtk was deleted because it didn't support it
[16:46] <SharkyPL> so I have no idea what kind of application should I use to change my display and graphics properties
[16:46] <SharkyPL> GUI or terminal-based
[16:47] <charlie-tca> what video card do you have?
[16:48] <SharkyPL> Radeon 9800SE, I have used envy to install the drivers
[16:48] <charlie-tca> There is a bug 284408 about fglrx causing problems in 8.10
[16:48] <SharkyPL> and they do work, but xorg boots in resolution which my monitor can't handle
[16:49] <SharkyPL> let me google it
[16:50] <SharkyPL> I can't see any information about resolution
[16:50] <SharkyPL> I have to investigate further
[16:50] <SharkyPL> but before I do
[16:51] <SharkyPL> could you please tell me any way of changing the startup resolution
[16:51] <SharkyPL> by terminal?
[16:51] <SharkyPL> because it doesn't happen with fglrx only, vesa causes that too sometimes after xfix
[16:52] <SharkyPL> I'm confused... fglrx is the ATi - official driver. but here's the information about ati - open source drivers. do they have directrendering 3d support?
[16:52] <SharkyPL> because if yes, then there's no point in using buggy fglrx
[16:53] <_pingu> How do i enable composite support in X, using Hardy Heron? Want to have a transparent panel but don't know how :(
[16:55] <charlie-tca> _pingu: Applications -> Settings -> Settings manager -> Window Manager Tweaks
[16:55] <charlie-tca> last tab
[16:56] <charlie-tca> SharkyPL: I don'know
[16:57] <SharkyPL> charlie-tca, I will try the "ati" driver later and see how it works. thanks for your help, see you
[16:57] <charlie-tca> no problem. %O
[17:12] <ron_o> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=linux_and_unix&articleId=9116787&taxonomyId=122&intsrc=kc_top
[17:12] <ron_o> wikipedia going to Ubuntu
[17:13] <nikolam> What will we do when most pf the world goes to Ubunutu? ;)
[17:14] <nikolam> Hi, does anyone uses Linux software Raid here?
[17:15] <nikolam> mdadm and so..
[17:15] <zoredache> I do, why?
[17:15] <nikolam> I just simulated failure of my second disk during work. Partition of secon disk is in raid1
[17:16] <ron_o> ubuntu still isn't profitable, unfortunately.
[17:16] <nikolam> So, just for a second system stopped and continued to work like nothing happend
[17:16] <nikolam> After restart, I got NO warning message of ANY kind that second drive failed!
[17:16] <ron_o> I heard the raid software is very slow, some say not. Which is it?
[17:16] <nikolam> Raid is very ok.
[17:16] <zoredache> nikolam: sure you did.  there where lots of messages in the kern.log
[17:17] <nikolam> I use 2 hdds adn for dsome partitions raid1 and raid0 for the others
[17:17] <zoredache> ron_o: software raid is slower then a really good hardware raid coontroller.  It is about the same, or sometimes faster then the fakeraid that is on many motherboards.
[17:17] <nikolam> zoredache, so how does this helps me if i just continue to do everyday work?
[17:18] <nikolam> Yes, i have fakeraid dmraid on motherboard, so i am using linux software raid
[17:18] <ron_o> but it's not that bad though. I should have said "really" slower..
[17:18] <nikolam> BUT kern.log does not warns user about  failed HDD ..
[17:19] <nikolam> ron_o, I use raid1 to be on safe side, ok.
[17:19] <zoredache> you can always look at /proc/mdstat
[17:20] <nikolam> I am rebuilding it with mdadm /dev/md2 -a /dev/sdb6
[17:20] <nikolam> But I I just reboot and continue to work, nothing will warn me that my drive has failed!
[17:20] <zoredache> nikolam: in the past raid has been used a lot on the server side, and very little on the desktop.  I suspect most people are using snmp, or some other management tool to figure it out
[17:21] <zoredache> nikolam: it is a reasonable complaint, I just not aware of anything you can do about it
[17:21] <zoredache> unless you wanted to write yourself a script that monitors the system and emails you if there was a failure
[17:22] <nikolam> zoredache, I can post a bug as a wishlist to Warn users about that. I think that every serious system should warn user about it.
[17:22] <nikolam> zoredache, Maybe that kind of script should be working on every ubuntu that is using software raid
[17:22] <zoredache> what would a warning look like to you?  You ARE being warned, just not in a way that you think to look at
[17:23] <nikolam> With no difference between desktop environment that heshe uses
[17:23] <nikolam> zore. Like some kind explanation, callout every time after logging in
[17:23] <nikolam> Contact your administrator etc
[17:24] <nikolam> It is also very interesting that if raid driva has faild, software raid does not try to repair it on next reboot
[17:25] <nikolam> so i could live next few years in oblivion that i am using raid1
[17:25] <zoredache> nikolam: how would it know which drive to add in as the spare?
[17:25] <_pingu> Thank you charlie-tca
[17:25] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[17:25] <zoredache> say you had a failed drive and you couldn't replace it.  Then you plugged in a spare drive to make a backup....  If it automatically added that new drive to your raid, you would loose everything on it
[17:25] <nikolam> That is what happend to me after first raid install, anyway, i used to use raid` with 1 disk coz after install second drive was not included in raid
[17:26] <nikolam> Ok
[17:26] <nikolam> That`s wjy we have those beautiful uuid`s ;)
[17:26] <nikolam> Also Maybe that warning message would be enough
[17:26] <nikolam> And to tell user what to do to wuicklt fix it
[17:27] <nikolam> Like messages in synaptic, what to do in command line if packages are not in order
[17:27] <nikolam> The question is how, would be the proper way to display warning
[17:28] <nikolam> User can use Gnome, Kde, Xfce, Openbox, no X at all, etc..
[17:28] <nikolam> And should all users be warned at login or just those with administrative or sudoer rights?
[17:36] <nikolam> Will applications fail or wil system die if swap space is on the other HDD that stops working in the middle of the work?
[17:37] <zoredache> if the drive your swap is on, fails, I would guess your system will most likely fail....  I haven't tried it though
[17:37] <nikolam> I tried to swapoff previously but message was that it can`t be done
[17:38] <zoredache> you tried it after the drive failed?
[17:38] <nikolam> even when I released memory consumtion, it wouldn`t do swapoff.
[17:38] <nikolam> no, before
[17:38] <nikolam> I simulated drive failure.
[17:38] <zoredache> you did it as root, right?
[17:38] <nikolam> of the second drive.
[17:38] <nikolam> yup
[17:39] <nikolam> it aswered like, that it don`t had enough memory to turn off swap, something like that
[17:39] <nikolam> swap tur off thing have nothing to do with failure test
[17:39] <nikolam> I made swap also on raid device
[17:40] <nikolam> I am thinking now to make it use 2 ordinary swap partitions
[17:40] <nikolam> so I could have swap even if one drive fails
[17:41] <zoredache> I don't think that would work, but I have never tried it
[17:41] <nikolam> my swap is on raid0
[17:42] <nikolam> i am thinking to kill raid partitions and have 2 ordinary swap aprtitions in fstab
[17:42] <zoredache> ah, well that would probably fail too
[17:42] <nikolam> so if one disk fail, second swap will continue to work
[17:42] <zoredache> nikolam: but that still would most likely cause your system to fail, if a drive failes
[17:43] <zoredache> nikolam: but what happens to all the programs that where in the swap on the failed drive?
[17:44] <zoredache> if you want things to not fail, you would probably need to use a raid1, or just put a swapfile onto your other device
[18:12] <_pingu> TheSheep, i just tried out AWN and the transparency works :-)
[18:13] <_pingu> But how do i add the Xfce menu, places and time from panel to the Avn panel?
[19:10] <_pingu> Anyone else knows?
[19:12] <knome> !awn
[19:12] <knome> hmm
[19:13] <R1cochet> _pingu: manually
[19:23] <_pingu> So which binary f.e. do i have to add for the places icon, R1cochet?
[19:42] <Ben_Cs> hello
[20:45] <Ben_cs> hello
[20:45] <sebsebseb> hello
[20:45] <Ben_cs> if i want to install xubuntu on a pen drive, i install as a usual install but instead of HD i choose the pen drive?
[20:46] <favro> !install | Ben_cs this should give a clue
[20:48] <Ben_cs> what's the difference between persistemt install and live usb install?
[20:50] <FauLi> hi everybody, has anyone got a hint for me?
[20:50] <FauLi> i'm trying to get my wifi running mit ndiswrapper
[20:51] <favro> !wifi
[20:51] <XFCEntral> Ben_cs: a persistent install will save your changes--so your settings and software persist, but with a livecd without persistance, those changes go away every time you shut it down
[20:51] <FauLi> fine, but i have no clue where on my driver cd i could find my right .ini-file
[20:51] <FauLi> there is like autostart.ini, whatever.ini but nothing seems to work :<
[20:52] <Ben_cs> XFCEntral: ok
[20:54] <FauLi> anyone got an idea about this? :/
[20:55] <Ben_cs> i read that installing xubuntu on usb drive in the ussual way will shorten the drive's life. any other ways not to shorten it?
[22:17] <Indoctrine> I don't regret leaving the familiar behind. :) Good bye gnome forever
[22:17] <knome> \o/
[22:17] <knome>  |
[22:17] <knome> /'\
[22:17] <Indoctrine> That doesn't show up right on Mibbit. :P
[22:18] <knome> d'oh
[22:18] <TheSheep> knome: bored?
[22:18] <nikolam> Thats the spirit. And you can still use all gnome applet plugins with xfapplet :)
[22:19] <knome> TheSheep, not really. ;)
[22:19] <knome> drawing some drafts for a project
[22:19] <Indoctrine> I really like xfce, it's minimal without losing functionality.
[22:19] <knome> sure.
[22:20] <nikolam> Indoctrine, it is lighter.
[22:20] <Indoctrine> It's minimal compared to what I'm used to. :P
[22:21] <Indoctrine> I went Windows -> Ubuntu -> Xubuntu.
[22:21] <jarnos> In one way gnome is more productive than Xfce4: You can type in terminal and see what you are typing, while e.g. a Firefox session having several windows is starting.
[22:21] <Indoctrine> I didn't find gnome was very good at that anyway.
[22:22] <nikolam> Indoctrine, I have everything I need with xfce, personaly I never used Gnome and kde, more then tens of minutes. I Need ability to make panels just how i like them. And that is what xfca is doing. Power to customize.
[22:22] <XFCEntral> yesss. the panels! :)
[22:22] <Indoctrine> nikolam: Indeed, I like the ability to just change images to make your own themes.
[22:22] <Bumphead> xfce is better than gnome, imo
[22:22] <jarnos> Indoctrine: really. What kind of problems did you see?
[22:22] <Indoctrine> Whereas in gnome, I needed to have a theme package
[22:23] <Indoctrine> jarnos: It just didn't seem to multi-task too well - I've also seen my CPU and RAM usage halved.
[22:23] <nikolam> jarnos, are you talking about transparent console window? start composite screen and turn transparent window in xfce4-terminal settings.
[22:23] <zoredache> jarnos: what do you mean about using a terminal while firefox is starting?
[22:24] <zoredache> I have several terminal windows open, and starting firefox doesn't impact my ability to work in those terminals
[22:24] <Bumphead> what's the best terminal program to use in xfce?
[22:24] <nikolam> zoredache, transparent background of the terminal window? :)
[22:24] <XFCEntral> you don't use tabs? :P hehe
[22:24] <Indoctrine> xfce4-terminal?
[22:25] <Bumphead> i've just been using gnome-terminal
[22:25] <Indoctrine> Erk
[22:25] <nikolam> Bumphead, whatever you like :) Xubuntu comes with Terminal (xfce4-terminal)
[22:25] <zoredache> nikolam: I don't use transparent windows.  I just have multiple displays
[22:25] <Indoctrine> Which has auto-completion too
[22:25] <Bumphead> ok, sweet
[22:25] <XFCEntral> i use xfce4-terminal a lot, but lately ive kep the xterm in my panel instead, so i can have instant access and no wait at all. but its not as good as xfce4-terminal...
[22:26] <Bumphead> i hate case-sensitive auto-complete, though
[22:26] <nikolam> zoredache, yup :) i just started with that yesterday, afrer a hour or so watching all those fancy stuff on youtube ;)
[22:26] <Bumphead> is there some way to disable that?
[22:26] <jarnos> zoredache: Terminal was just an example. If you start such a Firefox session in Xfce4, you get pop-ups, whereas in gnome you can switch to another application in the mean time and the windows open in background.
[22:26] <Indoctrine> In the  settings maybe
[22:27] <jarnos> XFCEntral: I use tabs and windows.
[22:28] <zoredache> jarnos: do you have focus stealing enabled?
[22:28] <XFCEntral> ahh. just teasing, seeing as using tabs might not make a difference in the first place, over multiple term windows heh
[22:28] <zoredache> settings/windows manater tweaks/focus/activate focust stealing prevention?
[22:30] <jarnos> zoredache: Focus  stealing does not prevent popups of other apps.
[22:30] <Indoctrine> I saw that last night while I was exploring the settings.
[22:30] <jarnos> zoredache: ^Focus stealing prevention
[22:34] <FauLi> hi everyone, is there a special thing about wlan passwords in xubuntu?
[22:35] <FauLi> i type my wlankey when i get asked for it but when i view it after, its changed :D
[22:35] <FauLi> much longer and stuff
[22:35] <FauLi> does anyone know what i'm doing wrong?
[22:36] <zoredache> wpa?  You understand that your wpa key is usually something that is use to create the key.
[22:36] <zoredache> so if I had a key asdfasdfasdfasdfsadfsadfsadfasdf it gets hashed a certain way into the key that is used
[22:36] <Indoctrine> FauLi: It gets changed to hexadecimal
[22:36] <Indoctrine> The hexadecimal equivalent of your wlan key
[22:36] <Indoctrine> You can see it if you click "show key" or something like that
[22:36] <FauLi> yes, but the weird thing is, i connect to my network, type in the correct key and it wont let me in :D
[22:37] <Indoctrine> My WEP (yes, lol) key changes to hexadecimal
[22:37] <FauLi> :D
[22:37] <FauLi> does anyone know how to change a normal key into hex?
[22:37] <Indoctrine> If it's connecting if you leave it alone, why change it? :P
[22:37] <Indoctrine> The OS will automatically do it.
[22:38] <FauLi> thats the point :D its actually not working
[22:38] <jarnos> More about the pop-up problem I mentioned before: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4/+bug/211533
[22:38] <FauLi> it does like "shalala, attempting connection to network", asks for key etc
[22:38] <Indoctrine> I don't think entering it as hex will help you unless you're using a wlan key which uses hex rather than ASCII
[22:38] <FauLi> but then it doesnt work at all :D
[22:38] <FauLi> :/
[22:39] <FauLi> well, gonna work it out tomorrow ;) thank you guys
[22:39]  * Indoctrine is getting distracted from her college work. :(
[22:40] <zoredache> Indoctrine: hide the window?
[22:40] <Indoctrine> zoredache: Can't, am at college. Hence Mibbit.
[22:58] <vidd> can someone recomend a very light java-compatable browser
[22:58] <vidd> ?
[22:59] <vidd> (firefox does not equal light weight)
[23:12] <jarnos> zoredache: I don't know when "Activate focus stealing prevention" in Settings Manager / Window Manager Tweaks / Focus does work. You can stop focus stealing by unchecking "Automatically give focus to newly created windows" in Settings Manager  / Windows manager / focus, but I don't see the point in typing to a window that you can't see.