[00:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: prodded.
[02:41] <JontheEchidna> whoa, kdebase has less bugs than kdepim now o_O
[02:47] <ScottK> Do we have a bug to comment about 4.1.3 and is it up to being copied?
[03:20] <ScottK> OK.  Here we go for 4.1.3.  203 upgraded ....
[04:43] <ScottK> Now keyboard shortcuts in Konqueror.  Anyone else got that?
[04:44] <ScottK> Now/no
[04:45] <ScottK> But ctrl w works.  ctrl f and f3 do not.
[06:52] <rgreening> ScottK: Need to know what to do with a SRU on my kdesdk merge... I have it prepared currently without. Should I go ahead with that or add in the SRU change (bug 292322)
[06:53] <rgreening> ScottK my merge bug is 294286 for reference
[06:53] <rgreening> bug 294286
[08:32] <jussi01> grumble grumble... stpid ati drivers and jockey.... grumble grumble
[08:32] <jussi01> oh, Hi everyone!
[11:17] <Riddell> ScottK: finally able to flush those backports
[11:18] <Riddell> that was a big sync being run
[11:35] <davmor2> Riddell: should Kate pick up on context highlighting? So if I create a file with <a href="http://www.kubuntu.org">Kubuntu</a> and hit save as meh.html should the text in the open kate then get context highlighted like it does in gedit or only when reopening the file?
[11:37] <seaLne> my experience would suggest only on reopening
[11:37] <Riddell> davmor2: yes I seem to mind that happening in the past
[11:37] <Riddell> I think the KDE 3 version set highlighting on save
[12:10] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: kdeartwork and accessibility uploaded
[12:13] <Riddell> rgreening: kdetoys seems fine, not sure why I thought it wasn't yesterday, uploaded
[12:21] <JontheEchidna> good morning
[12:23] <JontheEchidna> davmor2: I get highlighting on save, then changeing the file
[12:25] <davmor2> JontheEchidna: I just did a default install plus updates and it didn't.  The text stays black.  However on reopening the file I saved the highlighting is then in place.
[12:29] <davmor2> JontheEchidna: are you adding text then hitting save as or hitting save as and then adding text?
[12:30] <JontheEchidna> saving, then hitting the enter key
[12:30] <davmor2> JontheEchidna: Ah does now your right :)
[12:30] <JontheEchidna> :)
[12:32] <davmor2> JontheEchidna: however still not the most usable feature :(  In gedit (for all it's woe's) you hit save as and it all becomes colourful which according to Riddell is what used to happen with Kate
[12:32] <Riddell> rgreening: you're still working on kdesdk?
[12:33] <Riddell> mm, how confusing of kate
[12:34] <Riddell> should be reported upstream that
[12:40] <Riddell> anyone done a test install of 4.1.3 from -backports?
[12:50] <Nightrose> i installed it but didn't test
[12:50] <Nightrose> no problems with the install
[12:50] <Riddell> Nightrose: installed from -backports?
[12:51] <Nightrose> where else could i get it? i also have the kde 4 ppa enabled
[12:51] <Nightrose> so if it is in there it might as well be from that one
[12:52] <Riddell> Nightrose: groovy sorted
[12:52] <Nightrose> k k
[12:52] <Riddell> it was in the kubuntu-updates-testing PPA too but you'd know if you had that
[12:52] <Nightrose> yea - don't have that
[12:54] <Riddell> ^seelenn^
[12:54] <Riddell> mm, didn't want to do that
[12:58] <rgreening> Riddell: there were two issues with kdetoys: 1) you wanted me to re-check the build deps and 2) ScottK corrected me on the changelog merge process (which I messed up). So, in kdetoys, we may have a couple of extra deps and the changelog entry may not be 100% correct. I hadn't had a chance to recheck either as I was in the process of fixing kdesdk (while I rewrot emy process notes)
[12:59] <Riddell> rgreening: the deps look fine
[12:59] <Riddell> we don't seem to need the extra ones they have
[13:00] <Riddell> at least no problems in the cmake output or building
[13:00] <rgreening> Riddell: ok. the changelog below the last merge was taken from ubuntu rather than debian
[13:00] <Riddell> that's where it should be taken from no?
[13:01] <rgreening> Riddell: according to ScottK: he says take from debian prior to last merge
[13:01] <Riddell> that would lose all the ubuntu history
[13:01] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: are you sure he didn't say take everything from debian after the last merge?
[13:01] <rgreening> Riddell: that's what I thought.
[13:02] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: no, not that I think so. Cause he wanted me to put all the changes in at the merge
[13:02]  * rgreening confused now...
[13:02] <rgreening> I think we need ScottK to help clear this up. Riddell and ScottK should duke it out :)
 rgreening: OK.  Everything prior to 'Fake sync' should be pure Debian.
[13:03] <rgreening> Riddell: ^^
[13:03] <Riddell> sounds like we disagree :)
[13:03] <rgreening> I like your way Riddell. Keeps the history.
[13:04] <Riddell> that's my thinking
[13:04] <rgreening> Ok, I'll redo kdesdk (again) and get you to sponsor it. :)
[13:09] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Debian has updated their kde packages in experimental to 4.1.3 now. Should we wait until they package 4.2 to merge these?
[13:09] <rgreening> Riddell: should my changelog entry then include historical changes made prior to the merge or just new stuff due to the merge? ScottK wanted every change listed in the merge note (as the history was going to be gone in his method).
[13:11] <rgreening> JontheEchidna, Riddell: do we need to merge 4.1.2 if 4.1.3 is now there? Should we merge on 4.1.3 instead?
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: jaunty don't have 4.1.3
[13:11] <Riddell> merge on either, but no need to do a second merge
[13:12] <Riddell> rgreening: it should include a "remaining changes" section which lists our differences to debian
[13:12] <rgreening> Riddell: k
[13:12] <Riddell> we also tend to include the same in KUBUNTU-DEBIAN-DIFFERENCES files in KDE packages
[13:13] <JontheEchidna> ^very handy
[13:15] <rgreening> Riddell: thee was a SRU for kdesdk. I believe I should include it. It's a small dep change.
[13:15] <Riddell> rgreening: yes please do
[13:15] <rgreening> k
[13:33] <rgreening> Riddell: to send to debian should I email diff to pkg-kde-talk@lists.alioth.debian.org and is there anything else to do to notify debian?
[13:36] <Riddell> rgreening: I put the debdiff between theirs and ours on a web server somewhere (attached to the bug is fine), e-mail the link to them and highlight anything that might interest them
[13:36] <Riddell> s/highlight/summarise/
[13:36] <rgreening> ok.
[14:07] <rgreening> Riddell: so are we going to continue the merge on 4.1.2 or 4.1.3?
[14:13] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: you 'round?
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> ya
[14:17] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: you sticking with 4.1.2?
[14:17] <rgreening> for merge?
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> no clue what to do
[14:17] <rgreening> yeah.
[14:18] <rgreening> prob best to stick with what we started 4.1.2 and then carry the 4.1.3 changes forward to our 4.1.3...
[14:19] <rgreening> and backport them for intrepid
[14:20] <rgreening> though, that's a pain too
[14:20] <rgreening> hrmph
[14:23] <txwikinger> hi rgreening
[14:24] <rgreening> txwikinger: hey
[14:36] <Riddell> rgreening: whatever is current in debian
[14:36] <Riddell> it doesn't really matter, we'll update to 4.2 once we've done the main merges
[14:39] <rgreening> Riddell: so, should we redo the 4.1.2 ones we have done? if we start with 4.1.3 now
[14:39] <Riddell> no
[14:39] <rgreening> ok.
[14:40] <Riddell> we just want debian's packaging, the upstream version doesn't matter for the reason I gave some moments ago
[14:40] <rgreening> Since I haven't submitted kdesdk 4.1.2 is it ok to update the bug and do it with 4.1.3 then?
[14:40] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[14:40] <Riddell> rgreening: seems like it's just extra work for yourself
[14:40] <rgreening> lol
[14:40] <rgreening> ok, 4.1.2 it is then for that one.
[14:40] <rgreening> thouh we need to make sure the SRU gets into our 4.1.3 ver
[14:41] <Riddell> we won't have a 4.1.3 version
[14:41] <Riddell> for the reason I gave some moments ago
[14:41] <rgreening> oh, right.
[14:41] <rgreening> got it now.
[14:45]  * txwikinger wants the old clock plugin back
[14:45] <rgreening> ~twitter update Patching, Updating and Merging.. oh my
[14:45] <kubotu> status updated
[14:45] <glade88> has the dolphin menu option "open as root" been removed completely?
[14:51] <rgreening> Riddell: bug 294286 needs sponsor for upload (merge kdesdk)
[14:54]  * Riddell takes a keek
[15:01] <rgreening> Riddell: in LP, we have 4.1.2 for Jaunty, so we take that and match against the debian 4.1.3? which doesn't make sense to me... unless I misunderstand... or do we take the 4.1.3 from hardy and match against the 4.1.3 from debian and update the changelog to say jaunty? color me cunfussed...
[15:03] <aparedes> hi. I have been using kubuntu for a little over a year and I want to help out. What can I do or who can I help?
[15:05] <Riddell> rgreening: take the debian packaging (.orig and debian/ directory) and copy in our changes
[15:05] <Riddell> hi aparedes!
[15:05] <Riddell> aparedes: you've come to the right place, hang around here
[15:10] <Riddell> aparedes: we have https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu although it's a little out of date
[15:11] <Riddell> aparedes: right now we're doing merges (with debian) which requires a little packaging knowledge but hopefully not too much
[15:11] <aparedes> Riddel: ok, ill check out the webpage
[15:11] <Riddell> aparedes: there's also always bugs to triage and docs to update
[15:12] <Riddell> aparedes: are you a coder, or a writer or a compiling type?
[15:12] <Riddell> aparedes: are you running 8.10?
[15:12] <aparedes> yes, i am running 8.10
[15:12] <Riddell> good first step that :)
[15:13] <Riddell> on thing I was looking for someone to take on earlier today was updating this page for 8.10 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[15:16] <aparedes> Riddell: i would say im a coder but im starting, and i am up for anything. i am checking out the Repositories page.
[15:38] <mornfall> Riddell: Hmm. What should I do with those bug reports I have started to receive about software-properties-kde?
[15:38] <mornfall> Whom do I reassign, or should I close them right away?
[15:39] <mornfall> People are confused that it's not the same app as adept, I guess.
[15:39] <Riddell> mornfall: close and point them at launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties I guess
[15:40] <Riddell> mornfall: unless it's to do with adept's integration with software-properties, in which case point them at launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept
[15:41] <mornfall> Ok, will do, thanks.
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> um, I think our soprano packages are still using /usr/lib/kde4/ as their prefix
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> they're using old cdbs
[15:49] <Riddell> dpkg -L libsoprano4  says not
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> oh, that stuff in the cdbs is commented out
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> nvm
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> bug 294723 is what I'm looking at
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> aha
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> strigibackend/nepomukmainmodel.cpp:            kdeHome = QDir::homePath() + "/.kde4";
[15:52] <Riddell> where's that?
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-runtime-4.1.3/nepomuk
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> hardcoded into the strigi backend
[15:53] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ew.. that should be a var KDEHOMEDIR or something correct?
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> ya
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> but that explains the above bug
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> who knows how many other issues it has caused
[15:54] <rgreening> explains why strigi doesn't work
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> heh
[15:54] <Riddell> it should use KDE_DEFAULT_HOME from cmake
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> I'll work on this one
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> I've always wanted to help upstream :]
[16:02] <rgreening> Riddell: do we care about the Priority field in control files?
[16:03] <Riddell> rgreening: should always be optional
[16:03] <Riddell> doubt we have anything essential in KDE
[16:04] <rgreening> ok. kdegames had extra and debina had it optional
[16:04] <Riddell> follow debian
[16:04] <rgreening> k
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> actually it only uses .kde4 as a fallback path if QString kdeHome = getenv( "KDEHOME" ); is empty
[16:30] <aparedes> Riddell: I have updated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu to include Intrepid
[16:30] <Riddell> aparedes: you rock!
[16:31] <aparedes> anything else i can help out with?
[16:32] <rgreening> good job aparedes
[16:32] <rgreening> :)
[16:32] <Riddell> aparedes: if that interested you I'm sure there's more kubuntu pages on that wiki which need updated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=kubuntu&titlesearch=Titles
[16:32] <Riddell> aparedes: or we can find something else
[16:33] <rgreening> \o/
[16:38] <aparedes> Riddell: well if there is something else, i would like to try it out. if not im glad to help with the wiki
[16:40] <rgreening> wiki is definately in bad need of updates.
[16:40] <rgreening> aparedes: what coding lang are you working with or comfortable with?
[16:41] <Riddell> lots to be merged if packaging seems interesting
[16:41] <aparedes> mostly c. but i also work with java and c++
[16:46] <davmor2> Riddell: dragon player if you insert a dvd and select play media>from disc should it not throw up a warning that it can't play it as it's encrypted?
[16:47] <Riddell> davmor2: we don't have any patches for that currently, but it should be something to aim for in jaunty
[16:48] <davmor2> Riddell: Okay I'll add it to the test docs then as these will be the ones for jaunty :)
[16:48] <aparedes> Riddell: packing does seem very intresting. what should i do or where should i start?
[16:49] <Riddell> aparedes: this is a good question, rgreening where did you start with learning packaging?
[16:51] <rgreening> Asking lots of questions and reading the Packaging wiki entry... one sec I'll dig it up
[16:51] <seele> anyone know if system settings changed at all in 4.1.3?
[16:52] <rgreening> aparedes: start by reading this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[16:52] <Riddell> seele: looks the same to me
[16:53] <rgreening> aparedes: once you have read though it, come let me know. You need to setup your build environment and I'll help you get that all straightened up.
[16:54]  * rgreening puts on hit tudor hat
[16:54] <seele> Riddell: ok thanks
[16:54] <seele> oh
[16:54] <seele> Riddell: the powerdevil stuff didnt change?
[16:54] <aparedes> rgreening: thanks, ill get back to you as soon as i am done
[16:55] <rgreening> np
[16:56] <Riddell> seele: that would be up to powerdevil, it's module isn't part of system settings itself
[16:56] <seele> ah, i thought they made a module for it.. ok
[16:57] <glade88> JontheEchidna: who proposed the idea that kde4 panel could be dragged and re-positioned anywhere using the panel toolbar?
[16:58]  * JontheEchidna shrugs
[16:58] <glade88> hm.. ohhk
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> they're going to put a more obvious button on it for dragging in 4.2
[16:59] <Riddell> seele: yes I believe they have, but the source is powerdevil (which I don't have installed)
[16:59]  * glade88 waits eagerly for 4.2 :)
[17:00] <jussi01> is 4.1.3 around yet for testing?
[17:01] <Riddell> jussi01: yes in backports
[17:02] <jussi01> Riddell: if have backport enabled will it update automatically? or do I need to specifically install it?
[17:02] <Riddell> jussi01: you would need to install updates as usual
[17:03] <jussi01> Riddell: but I dont specifically need to apt-get install something
[17:04] <jussi01> oh meh, ive updated without even knowing :D
[17:05] <stdin> Riddell: should I give you a debdiff merging changes from bug #290589 to 4.1.3 in -backports? or do you want to wait
[17:15] <Riddell> stdin: yeah can do
[17:16] <stdin> Riddell: do you think I should have it close the bug in the changelog, or just reference it?
[17:18] <Riddell> stdin: close in the changelog is easier
[17:19] <Riddell> stdin: but what about jaunty?
[17:19] <Riddell> I'm doing kde4libs now
[17:21] <txwikinger> Is the jaunty environment already there?
[17:22] <Riddell> txwikinger: jaunty exists, I wouldn't recommend upgrading to it
[17:22] <txwikinger> :D
[17:22] <txwikinger> certainly not until in 2 weeks when I might have my test machine up again :D
[17:23] <stdin> Riddell: http://stdin.me.uk/diffs/kde4libs_4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1_4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid2.diff
[17:27] <Nightrose> jussi01: jussio1: can I somehow pribe you to make new quassel packages from trunk for intrepid? that would make me _very_ happy
[17:29] <jussi01> Nightrose: how soon do you want them?
[17:29] <Nightrose> whenever you have time
[17:29] <Nightrose> sooner = better of course ;-)
[17:29] <jussi01> Nightrose: Ill be travelling for the next week or so, but after that, quite likely :D
[17:29] <Nightrose> ok maybe i need to pribe apachelogger then
[17:30] <Nightrose> apachelogger: honey can I have new quassel packages? :)
[17:30] <jussi01> Nightrose: its "bribe" ;)
[17:30] <Nightrose> ah
[17:30] <Nightrose> thx
[17:31] <jussi01> Nightrose: the current packaging should work just fine with the new source, so you could just update the source...
[17:32] <Nightrose> would take me too long considering I should be studying :/
[17:34]  * jussi01 huggle Nightrose
[17:35] <Nightrose> :)
[17:35] <rgreening> Riddell: bug 294780 - merge needs review/upload. This is the 4.1.2 (ubuntu) to 4.1.3 (debian). Hopefully I did it the way you wanted.
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 294781 please, once you find the time :P
[17:51] <Riddell> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/68450/
[17:52] <Riddell> dunno if that's your doing or mine
[17:52] <stdin> damn, missing comma in my diff
[17:53] <stdin> Riddell: ok, fixed the patch
[17:54] <Riddell> three missing commas
[17:55] <stdin> oh yeah, me being stupid
[17:55] <seele> hmm.. i thought Nepomuk was changed to Semantic Desktop
[17:55] <seele> i think in KDE SVN Sound is Multimedia as well
[17:56] <stdin> ok, added the commas after "QObject* obj, const char* slot" and both "SLOT(slotProcessFinished(int, QProcess::ExitStatus))"
[17:56] <Riddell> seele: changes were made in SVN, no translated strings for anywhere else so couldn't be changed
[17:57] <ScottK> About apturl: [12:56] <mvo_> ScottK: it should be really easy now to write a qt frontend by just filling in the (few) needed UI functions
[17:57] <seele> hmm
[17:57] <ScottK> Someone really ought to do that ^^^
[17:57] <ScottK> rgreening: RE firefox ^^
[17:58] <rgreening> ScottK: yeah. me and mvo are discussing this.
[17:58] <ScottK> Excellent.
[17:59] <ScottK> rgreening: Please make sure this work is reflected on the Jaunty Specs page somewhere.
[17:59] <rgreening> k
[18:03] <rgreening> ScottK: done
[18:03] <Riddell> rgreening: it would also be good to have it itegrated with konqueror
[18:04] <ScottK> rgreening: Great.
[18:07] <seele> is it just me or do other people do a face palm when they see the login manager ui?
[18:07] <rgreening> Riddell: sure I'll add a note about that too...
[18:08] <Riddell> seele: it has missing features but the UI seems ok to use
[18:08] <seele> why are there numbers in the tabs?
[18:08] <seele> nevermind.. i know the answer
[18:08] <seele> there was a long thread on the kde-usability mailing list
[18:09] <seele> the keyboard config stuff seems to be what most people complain about though
[18:09] <seele> it's scattered amongst 3 or 4 sections
[18:10] <seele> multimedia stuff too
[18:13] <aparedes> rgreening: i have read the buildpackage wiki, and did some examples. do you any tips you can give me?
[18:14] <rgreening> aparedes: do you have the pbuilder, etc. all setup?
[18:15] <aparedes> yes and also i have done the pbuilder --create
[18:15] <jussi01> Nightrose: I had a play around, but there are a few issues - some patches dont apply, so I gave up for now. sorry. got to go pack for my big trip.
[18:15] <rgreening> aparedes: you will need a launchpad account as well. if you do not, then go set that up now.
[18:16] <Nightrose> jussi01: thx :) - no problem
[18:16] <Nightrose> and have fun with whatever you are going to do
[18:16] <aparedes> rgreening: i already have one
[18:17] <jussi01> Nightrose: UK, then Australia :D and I will :D
[18:17] <Nightrose> jussi01: hehe sounds fun :)
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I assume we're not build-deping on libglib in kdebase to avoid gtk dependencies?
[18:17] <Nightrose> take pictures!
[18:17] <rgreening> aparedes: good. and signed the code of conduct and have a gpg key setup for sogning?
[18:17] <rgreening> s/sogning/signing
[18:18] <jussi01> Nightrose: I will :D - you can keep up to date here if you are interested :D http://lifematta.com/jussi01/photos/
[18:18] <Nightrose> thx - will try
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: oh, nvm, that was added by debian after our last merge. I don't think that'd pull in gtk anyway
[18:28] <aparedes> rgreening: i have done that already
[18:28] <rgreening> aparedes: I don't see your key on your launchpad page (https://launchpad.net/~aparedes)
[18:30] <rgreening> aparedes: you will need launchpad setup with your key and sign the code of conduct (to be a ubuntero) to upload and to sign packages
[18:31] <rgreening> aparedes: https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct
[18:32] <rgreening> https://launchpad.net/~aparedes/+editpgpkeys
[18:34] <rgreening> aparedes: have you joined kubuntu users team? If not, you should
[18:36] <claydoh> apachelogger: updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[18:36] <claydoh> now to update https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[18:36] <claydoh> but that may be a while I am leaving town for the weekend
[18:38] <rgreening> claydoh... done earlier by aparedes (I believe)
[18:38] <rgreening> \o/
[18:40] <aparedes> https://launchpad.net/~alejandroparedes aparedes was taken
[18:40] <claydoh> rgreening: sweet and aparedes thanks :)
[18:40] <rgreening> aparedes: ah... my mistake. lol
[18:40] <rgreening> aparedes: ok... let me have a quick look...
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 294798
[18:41] <aparedes> rgreening: how can i do a clearsign with an specific gpg key?
[18:41] <rgreening> aparedes: in what context?
[18:42] <aparedes> rgreening: i have several gpg keys and for the code of conduct i have to sign it with one in specific how can this be done
[18:43] <rgreening> aparedes: hmmm... should be based on the e-mail address you use I think, or from the command line you can specify the key
[18:43]  * JontheEchidna is feeling ambitious... gonna take on the kdebase-workspace merge
[18:45] <rgreening> aparedes: I only have one key. maybe JontheEchidna or someone can answer...
[18:46] <JontheEchidna> nope, I am not elite with the gpg
[18:46] <rgreening> apachelogger or Riddell maybe then... ^
[18:46] <aparedes> rgreening: i have found out how to do it. now i only have to sign into kubuntu users teams
[18:47] <rgreening> ok. cool. share how you did it for the rest of the class :)
[18:47] <rgreening> ^ aparedes (re the gpg signing)
[18:48] <aparedes> gpg -u user id --clearsign
[18:48] <rgreening> ty :)
[18:49] <JontheEchidna> Looking at the debian changelog I can already tell this will be a fun merge :x
[18:53] <rgreening> Riddell: bug 294780 merge kdegames ready now (when you have time).
[19:01] <rgreening> aparedes: I'll do up an e-mail and forward to you. It's a lot to type here... it should be enough to get you started though.
[19:01] <aparedes> rgreening: thanks
[19:01] <rgreening> np
[19:02] <rgreening> aparedes: have you gotten pbuilder-hooks?
[19:02] <rgreening> it's a add-on for pbuilder.
[19:03] <aparedes> rgreening: no i havent. ill look for it
[19:05] <rgreening> aparedes: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks (you need bzr installed, and then download the hooks with bzr. Read the readme file to figure out how to set it up.
[19:09] <rgreening> aparedes: See this for additional setup for ~/.pbuilderrc with ~/.pbuilder-hooks  http://paste.ubuntu.com/68508/
[19:14] <rgreening> JontheEchidna is gone nutz with the merging :) Just a bad as I was with the 4.1.3 update.. hahah
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> lol
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-workspace will take quite a while
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> we should have merged sooner, lol
[19:17] <rgreening> heeh
[19:18] <rgreening> It's taken me a while a) first time b) differing opinions/instructions and c) many fubars on my part...
[19:19] <rgreening> but now I have 3 done and the instructions with which I am comfortable to use... :)
[19:21] <aparedes> rgreening: i have setup the pbuilder-hooks
[19:22] <rgreening> aparedes: excellent. So I just have to send you that e-mail on the merge process...
[19:23] <aparedes> rgreening: good. thanks
[19:23] <rgreening> it'll take me a little bit to type out... bare with me
[19:23] <rgreening> :)
[19:41] <DaSkreech> WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[19:42] <DaSkreech> Creative Open sourced the drivers!!!!
[19:42] <supert0nes> is vim mode in kate coming back before 4.2?
[19:43] <DaSkreech> It's in there now
[19:44] <DaSkreech> http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&thread.id=132288
[19:47] <rgreening> aparedes: still around? I'm almost done. It's a lot to type :)
[19:54] <aparedes> rgreening: im still here
[19:54] <rgreening> k. almost done aparedes
[20:04] <rakekniven> Can I ask a packaging question here?
[20:11] <rgreening> rakekniven: sure, I'll see if I can answer
[20:13] <rakekniven> found it out in the meanwhile
[20:13] <rakekniven> thx
[20:16] <Arby> Riddell: if you've got time I've got a couple more patches for s-c-p-kde.
[20:17] <rgreening> aparedes: e-mail sent
[20:17] <rgreening> let me know when you get it
[20:17] <rgreening> aparedes: ^
[20:18] <aparedes> rgreening: i got the email. ill check it out
[20:19] <rgreening> k. It's rather long... :)
[20:19] <rgreening> my fingers hurt now
[20:19] <rgreening> :)
[21:02] <seele> apachelogger: is there neon for intrepid?
[21:04] <rgreening> seele: Yes, I believe so...
[21:05] <rgreening> Pretty sure I tested that the other day
[21:13] <supert0nes> kdebase hasn't compiled for a couple weeks tho because of failures
[21:13] <supert0nes> in nightly
[21:34]  * seele sends cookies to apachelogger 
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> ubottu: tell me about debian bug 494427
[21:40]  * JontheEchidna wonders how our current packages work :S
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> oh, nvm I have way old packaging for base-workspace
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> mmf, undocumented patches that we have that Debian does't are fun
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> Riddell, would it be wise to remove the python-plasma patch from workspace? That makes the diff extremely large
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> We could also remove the plasma-tooltips one while we're at it since it'll be implemented upstream next release
[22:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: wouldn't we just have to put those packages back in?
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: in kde4libs
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> oh, maybe not
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> nevermind
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> disregard me
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> I'll remove the tooltips one though
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kubuntu_15_kickoff_ksmserver_logout.diff was applied upstream too, correct?
[23:11] <seele> hmm.. it looks like im going to have to cancel the ubuntu usability testing activity.  there's just no interest from the loco
[23:15] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yeah that can go
[23:15] <Riddell> seele: find a more general group to take part, got a local LUG?
[23:16] <seele> Riddell: 2 locos and multiple lugs were recruited.. no interest
[23:17] <seele> it's not even testing for kubuntu.. so if the loco's aren't interested in helping me recruit then the project can just die
[23:17] <Riddell> seems like just the sort of practical contribution they should be up for
[23:17] <seele> the point was to get the loco's involved, not to give me a second job
[23:19] <seele> Riddell: it was the idea of loco members to begin with! they just lost interest i guess
[23:21]  * seele will make a cake.  cake makes everything better!
[23:21] <Riddell> I made an apple pie earlier, worked well
[23:22] <rgreening> I just made a boiler of beef stew
[23:22] <rgreening> :)
[23:22] <rgreening> we can have a potluck
[23:22] <rgreening> lol
[23:22]  * JontheEchidna can bring apple pie icecream
[23:22]  * Nightrose will bring tomato salad
[23:23] <rgreening> mmm....
[23:23] <seele> mmm.. tomatoes
[23:24] <seele> i got an oatmeal cake mix and i'm going to try mixing pumpkin in it to make a pumpkin cake
[23:24] <seele> dunno if it is going to work.  but as long as it cooks all the way through and doesnt burn, it cant end up too bad
[23:24] <rgreening> lol
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> *whew*
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> bug 294912
[23:26]  * JontheEchidna dies
[23:26] <rgreening> bwahahahaha
[23:26]  * Nightrose revives JontheEchidna
[23:26] <rgreening> glad you took that one
[23:26] <Nightrose> can't lose you!
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> I figure if I can get that one done properly I can get any merge done properly
[23:27] <rgreening> I had a bad enough time with Qt when I merged it a while back.... I bet that made it easy for Riddell this time round :)
[23:28]  * rgreening wished he coukd quit his current job and do this F/T
[23:31] <Nightrose> rgreening: check out cannonicals jobs page and apply ;-)
[23:32] <rgreening> Nightrose: I had a while back, but that was before I got my feet wet here... prob a good time to re-look at it.
[23:33] <Nightrose> jep
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> I think they're looking for somebody with 1337 C++ skills to work on upstream
[23:34] <Nightrose> they are looking for other stuff as well
[23:34]  * Nightrose hopes her bf gets that upstream kde job ;-)
[23:59] <seele> ugh.. ate too much cheese