[00:00] <ptl> which programs?
[00:01] <Ertain> In KDE 4.1, in all of the KDE-related programs, I can't access the "File", "Tools", etc., menus.
[00:01] <KDesk> How can I change the defaul apps size every time I start them?
[00:01] <marco> how can I manage my computer's power saving settings on kubuntu?
[00:01] <Ertain> In my previous version of KDE I had a menbar like that from Mac.
[00:02] <ptl> KDE 3.5? I think the mac-like bar is not an option anymore, at least until KDE 4.2 / KDE 4.3
[00:02] <Ertain> Well I need to change back to the normal menus, but I don't know how.
[00:02] <ptl> marco: install powerdevil!
[00:03] <Ertain> "powerdevil" huh?
[00:03] <Ertain> Oops, wrong message.
[00:03] <Ertain> Heh heh.
[00:04] <marco> ptl: thanks, I'll have a look
[00:05] <Ertain> So anyway, I don't know how to bring the menus back.
[00:06] <Ertain> I looked in .kde/systemsettingsrc, under "MenuBar" and it said disabled.
[00:07] <ptl> Ertain: You can't
[00:08] <Ertain> Yeah, I know I can't bring back the menubar, but what I'm trying to figure out is how to bring back the normal menus.
[00:09] <ptl> oh... this I don't know. Since KDE is all redesigned now, what I did was backup ~/.kde and let KDE 4.1 rewrite a new one, then all configured everything. It took me a few hours to do it, but I figured it'd be the best way.
[00:10] <ptl> s/then all configured everything/them I configured everything/
[00:15] <DarkSmoke> i upgraded to the knew kde version
[00:15] <DarkSmoke> but my widgets became unknown widgets
[00:16] <DarkSmoke> well many of 'em
[00:16] <DarkSmoke> like the notes widget and the show desktop one
[00:16] <DarkSmoke> :/
[00:17] <jtechidna> DarkSmoke: is kdeplasma-addons installed?
[00:17] <DarkSmoke> nope
[00:18] <DarkSmoke> but the widgets where working without kdeplasma addons before i made the upgrade from 4.1.2 to 4.1.3
[00:19] <jtechidna> I can't really see how they could
[00:37] <sjdurfey> i just installed flash in 8.10, but sites like pandora.com that use flash for their players, dont produce any audio output for me, but the tracks are playing, and the sound seems to work everywhere else
[00:49] <MasterShrek> how is kde 4.1 holding up in kubuntu, was thinking about installing it on my desktop, but if its like kde 4.0 was, i might go gnome
[00:51] <reese> is there a way to have back the extract option when right clicking an archive?
[01:09] <bopferman> I just upgraded from kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10.  Everything went well except for a flickering that I get once ever 10ish seconds.  Any ideas?! Thanks!
[01:11] <stdin> bopferman: sounds like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/278471
[01:11] <jtisme> where has the grub recovery mode selection on 8.10 cd gone to?
[01:14] <MasterShrek> jtisme, alternate cd?
[01:15] <jtisme> MasterShrek, ok i will look there it is not on kubuntu cd
[01:15] <jtisme> live cd that is
[01:16] <jtisme> dr_willis, do u know where  recovery mode selection on live cd has gone to on 8.10 am i missing something in the grub menu
[01:17] <dr_willis> Ive not noticed it being there.. i dont use the live cd much. I built a bootable-thumbdrive and thats it..
[01:17] <dr_willis> you could always append 'single' to the end of the boot options I guess
[01:17] <dr_willis> or append 'recovery' to the end
[01:18] <jtisme> knew about single did not know about recovery boot option will try that also thanks
[01:21] <Lord_Froad> how do you install kubuntu on a flash drive
[01:21] <ubuntu> I'm installing kubuntu right now and it's hung on 82%
[01:21] <dr_willis> Lord_Froad,  I used the unetbootin tool to do that. that made a 'bootable live cd' thats not quite the same as 'installing to a flash drive'
[01:22] <SJr|nx> Right now my installer is stuck on 82% Configuring Apt: Scanning the mirror
[01:22] <BrianCx> so can you access the internet using the bootable live cd?
[01:22] <dr_willis> Or theres a way to do it from the live cd i think.
[01:22] <dr_willis> BrianCx,  I do all the time.
[01:22] <dr_willis> :)
[01:22] <BrianCx> so how do you do it?
[01:22] <BrianCx> can you link me?
[01:23] <SJr|nx> Is there a way to install Kubuntu from a Flash Drive?
[01:23] <dr_willis> BrianCx,  do what? I am connected once i boot up..
[01:23] <dr_willis> SJr|nx,    I used the unetbootin tool to do that. that made a 'bootable live cd' thats not quite the same as 'installing to a flash drive'
[01:24] <dr_willis> SJr|nx,  or the ubuntu/kubuntu live cd may have a similer tool in their menus..
[01:24] <SJr|nx> No I want to install from a flash drive
[01:24] <sebastian> hola
[01:24] <dr_willis> SJr|nx,  yes.. Unetbootin lets you make such a device
[01:24] <dr_willis> Its how i install all my systems
[01:24] <sebastian> alguien habla español????????
[01:24] <SJr|nx> Is there anything I can do to configure a stuck install
[01:24] <SJr|nx> It's just sitting here on Scanning the mirror: 82%
[01:25] <sebastian> maldicion
[01:25] <draik_> !es | sebastian
[01:25] <SJr|nx> alright I'm going to disco this notebook
[01:26]  * MasterShrek breaks into a disco dance
[01:26] <BrianCx> dr_willis so how does that work
[01:27] <BrianCx> i've mounded an ISO but i can't use the internet
[01:27] <dr_willis> BrianCx,  how does what work? why did you mount an iso>
[01:27] <BrianCx> use a live cd?
[01:28] <Ashex> Anyone have a spare computer handy with intrepid installed on it that doesn't have bootchart on it?
[01:28] <dr_willis> boot the live cd.. use the tool on the live cd to generate a bootable luve-usb-drive..
[01:28] <dr_willis> Or use unetbootin under windows to save burning a cd
[01:28] <BrianCx> OK
[01:28] <BrianCx> ty
[01:29] <draik_> dr_willis: Is unetbootin free and easy to use and update?
[01:29] <timbete> que qu eé isso aki
[01:29] <BrianCx> where is the tool lokated
[01:29] <BrianCx> located *
[01:29] <jtisme> Ashex, what do you want to have done
[01:29] <kevbuntu> I have a question. If I have Hardy Heron, and I want to upgrade to Intrepid without reinstalling Linux, do I just click the "Full Upgrade" button in Adept manager?
[01:29] <timbete> caramba tudo que eu queria era um msn agora
[01:30] <dr_willis> draik_,  yes yes and yes and yes,
[01:30] <BrianCx> rawr
[01:30] <jtechidna> kevbuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[01:31] <kevbuntu> thanks. i was just hoping for a yes or no. but i will definitely hit that link up.
[01:31] <jtechidna> no is the short answer
[01:31] <jtechidna> :P
[01:32] <jtechidna> it's just easier to throw links at people
[01:32] <dr_willis> they never bother to read them either. :)
[01:32] <dr_willis> or they want you to read them to them.....
[01:32] <phoenixz> I need to scan a document from a scanner  that is connected to a network.. How do I do this? the scanner actually is one of those all in one combos.. laser printer (printing works fine!) scanner, copier, fax, etc...
[01:32] <kevbuntu> haha... well i appreciate it. =D so don't think I don't. i do!
[01:32] <phoenixz> and its connected directly to the network
[01:33] <kevbuntu> ok, next question
[01:33] <kevbuntu> is there a way to do a ful distro upgrade WITHOUT moving to KDE4?
[01:33] <draik_> Thanks dr_willis
[01:34] <ardchoille> kevbuntu: Kubuntu has moved to kde4 starting with Intrepid, the only way to keep kde3.* would be to install it yourself somehow
[01:34] <phoenixz> kevbuntu: Im at 8.10.. haven't tried it yet, but AFAIK, KDE3 should still be there..
[01:34] <dr_willis> Hmm i though  Upgrade REMOVED  kde3
[01:34] <dr_willis> or so the rants and screams ive seen in here imply
[01:35] <kevbuntu> yeah, i'm just not going to upgrade the distro. thanks, guys!
[01:35] <BrianCx> can anyone file transfer me a torrent of kubuntu?
[01:35] <BrianCx> it seems i have lost the disc
[01:35] <dr_willis> Theres the official ubuntu torrent qweb page to get .torrent files
[01:36] <favro> !torrent
[01:36] <BrianCx> I can't access it
[01:36] <kevbuntu> ok. so the reason i ask this is because i am getting an odd error message in the system settings
[01:36] <BrianCx> I am on my deceased aunt's computer trying to recover her data, but I don't have admin rights
[01:36] <kevbuntu> and no one is responding to my thread in the ubuntu forums
[01:36] <BrianCx> and the is paranoid so I can't access anything w/ http
[01:37] <BrianCx> she* all sites are blocked
[01:37] <BrianCx> I can do filed transfer and torrent though
[01:37] <BrianCx> it'd be great if one could help me w/ that
[01:37] <dr_willis> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/file?info_hash=f%96%18%F0%A3%BDj%E7%A3%C7%8Bo%EC%7C%F3%B4%13.%A1%A9
[01:37] <BrianCx> it's blocked
[01:37] <dr_willis> well i cant do dcc.. so not sure what to tell ya
[01:37] <BrianCx> dcc?
[01:38]  * dr_willis wodners how one blocks all http on a pc..
[01:38] <ardchoille> BrianCx: all of the mirrors have torrents
[01:38] <draik> Hello all
[01:38] <BrianCx> well
[01:38] <BrianCx> anything w/ a http protocol is blocked :/
[01:38] <BrianCx> and it's deathmath ard :D
[01:39] <dr_willis> you may not even have rights to burn a cd.. or anything else..
[01:39] <BrianCx> I have rights to EVERYTHIN
[01:39] <draik> Has anyone come across disfigured/jarbled text in various locations? Here is a screenshot I just took of K3B:  http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=disfiguredyf3.png
[01:39] <BrianCx> except for the internet
[01:39] <BrianCx> I checked that
[01:40] <dr_willis> ftp://mirror.switch.ch/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/8.10/
[01:40] <dr_willis> ftp://mirror.switch.ch/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/8.10/kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[01:41] <jtechidna> draik: using the beta legacy nvidia drivers?
[01:41] <draik> Shouldn't be legacy. It should be -new
[01:41] <draik> Let me check
[01:42] <BrianCx> is that the version I want?
[01:42] <BrianCx> ty dr willis
[01:42] <BrianCx> that works
[01:42] <BrianCx> forgot about ftp
[01:43] <kevbuntu> when i try to open the the Monitor and Display Settings, I get a message telling me that it can't be opened due to an orphaned module
[01:43] <draik> jtechidna: I'm fairly sure it is nvidia-glx-new. It's also from the restricted drivers
[01:43] <jtechidna> it's probably not legacy then
[01:43] <jtechidna> there is a known font rendering regression with the legacy driver
[01:44] <jtechidna> not quite the same as you screenshot though
[01:44] <draik> I get a delay response with my system and even my K Menu comes up looking like a scrambled tv station before it fixes itself after a second.
[01:46] <dr_willis> draik known issue.
[01:46] <dr_willis> and Yes.I do find kde4 sluggish
[01:46] <jtisme> draik i get the same thing probably a small fix needed in kde4 wait a while and it will go away with some future update
[01:46] <dr_willis> we hope
[01:46] <dr_willis> ;)
[01:46] <draik> That's just it.
[01:46] <Wicked> crap. i turn on the 3d effects and now my whole screen is black. how can i turn them off via command line?
[01:46] <jtisme> hope is eternal ??? ;/
[01:46] <draik> My Dell laptop has fewer specs than my desktop and my laptop doesn't have these issues.
[01:47] <Wicked> !3d
[01:47] <draik> Wicked: "sudo killall -9 <appName>"
[01:47] <dr_willis> -9 is a little OVERKILL to try from thebeginning. :)
[01:48] <Wicked> well i know how to kill stuff..but what is the 3d effects stuff?
[01:48] <Wicked> compiz?
[01:48] <dr_willis> that willbasicially restart X i imagine.
[01:48] <Wicked> but on kde4 isnt it built into kde?
[01:48] <dr_willis> kde4 does not USE compiz at all.
[01:48] <dr_willis> its gone its own route
[01:48] <Wicked> right. which i need to disable w/e it is
[01:48] <dr_willis> You can make it use compiz. but you dont have to use compiz
[01:49] <dr_willis> kde4 has its own effects/defects :)
[01:49] <jtechidna> System Settings -> desktop -> desktop effects
[01:49] <Wicked> jtechidna, my screen is black
[01:49] <jtechidna> oh
[01:49] <Wicked> i need to do it via command lnie
[01:49] <Wicked> *line
[01:49] <jtechidna> nano ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[01:49] <jtechidna> search for a [compositing[ section
[01:49] <Wicked> :-o
[01:49] <Wicked> ok
[01:49] <Wicked> awesome thanks!
[01:49] <jtechidna> set enabled=false
[01:49]  * dr_willis googles
[01:49] <dr_willis> ype the following (replacing "[yourname]" with your user name, of course):
[01:49] <dr_willis> nano /home/[yourname]/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[01:50] <dr_willis> Find the this line under the heading "Compositing":
[01:50] <dr_willis> Enabled=true
[01:50] <dr_willis> set it to false. :)
[01:51] <Wicked> ok awesome. let me try this out....
[01:56] <Wicked> w00t works fine now. thanks jtechidna =)
[01:56] <jtechidna> yw :)
[01:58] <Ashex> I've got bootchart installed and it created the /var/log/bootchart, but it doesn't create any log of image of bootup
[01:58] <Ashex> Tried reinstalling bootchart
[01:58] <Ashex> but no luck
[02:00] <sevenseeker> I have a synaptics touchpad, but ksynaptics doesn't appear in any repos I have, should I go with gsynaptics?
[02:00] <DjDrake> sorry..i have big problem..the grub says "error 2" and now im installing again kubuntu/list
[02:00] <DjDrake> is a good way?
[02:01] <draik> DjDrake: If not, you can always go with SGD (Super GRUB Disc)
[02:01] <draik> It's helped me with my "error 2" issues with GRUB in the past.
[02:01] <DjDrake> ok thx
[02:02] <Ashex> there's actually a grub rescue option buried in the system settings of kubuntu
[02:03] <dr_willis> heh the xfix option dident fix my X :)
[02:03] <draik> Ashex: Right. If that doesn't work, SGD.
[02:03] <draik> dr_willis: Same here. Thanks to OxDeadC0de, we got it working. Took a while, but he got it done.
[02:03] <dr_willis> I just had to reinstall my virtualbox guest tools ;)
[02:04] <draik> dr_willis: Thanks for the reminder. I haven't even checked to see if that works with the updated kernels
[02:05] <sjr> Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you are my only hope
[02:05] <sjr> I got the Kubuntu box installed, by unplugging my network card. I then proceeded to do a Full Upgrade, but the sources will setup incorrectly.
[02:05] <sjr> So too spite the warning I aborted it :)
[02:05] <Obi-Wan> yer done!
[02:05] <sjr> I can't seem to resume it in adept
[02:06] <sjr> So I'm just doing an apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:06] <sjr> Which is working currently
[02:06] <sjr> I assume this is the correct COA
[02:07] <sjdurfey> how do i add an application to the desktop plasmoid?
[02:08] <draik> sjdurfey: Create a shortcut?
[02:08] <sjdurfey> yeah, but i want it to be inside the desktop plasmoid, as it is now, when i right click on the app and click "add to desktop" it doesnt add it to the plasmoid
[02:09] <jtisme> sjdurfey, i opened dolphin, found app, dragged it to desktop
[02:09] <jtisme> correction to desktop not to desktop plasmoid
[02:10] <sjdurfey> yeah, i want to add it to that
[02:10] <jtisme> seems like i had a problem w/that
[02:10] <sjdurfey> yeah, it def should be a lot more straight forward
[02:11] <sjdurfey> when you right click and select to add it to the desktop, it should by default send it to that
[02:11] <jtisme> yes, but kde4 has so many changes its a wonder anything works
[02:12] <jtisme> in time those functions will work
[02:12] <sjdurfey> yeah, its been a major overhaul from 3.5, and it looks beautiful
[02:12] <sjdurfey> i love the new look to it
[02:12] <jtisme> i know it is a lot lot faster on bootup
[02:12] <sjdurfey> faster than 3.5 or gnome?
[02:13] <bluecopper> hi guys
[02:13] <bluecopper> i have been getting some errors
[02:13] <jtisme> definitely faster than 3.5 dont know about gnome
[02:13] <jtisme> bluecopper, ask your question and wait
[02:14] <sjdurfey> gnome is just so blah (at least appearance wise), i wish more developers would dedicate some time to kde
[02:14] <jtisme> sjdurfey, kde is like the kitchen sink is has everything maybe too much
[02:15] <bluecopper> i just tied opening ksnapshot and got an error "/home/username/.kde/share/config/ksnapshotrc not writeable"
[02:15] <draik> HA! I just tried to do an upgrade (via apt-get) and I have a broken package.  kdepimlibs5 (>= 4:4.1.3) but 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[02:15] <sjdurfey> sounds like they need to spend some time throwing out the junk
[02:15] <bluecopper> it also say to contact the system administrator
[02:16] <jtisme> bluecopper, from within the GUI
[02:16] <bluecopper> the application opens but i cant save the snapshot that i took
[02:16] <bluecopper> yes
[02:16] <sjdurfey> well, i figured out how to get the app to the desktop, now i just need to figure out how to change the icon
[02:17] <jtisme> bluecopper, i cant help you there i dont use ksudo etc.
[02:17] <bluecopper> i get this when i run ksnapshot from the terminal
[02:17] <bluecopper> bluecopper@bluecopper-desktop:~$ ksnapshot
[02:17] <bluecopper> ksnapshot(10444): Failed to lock file "/var/tmp/kdecache-bluecopper/kpc/kde-icon-cache.lock" , last result = 2
[02:17] <bluecopper> ksnapshot(10444): Couldn't create index file "/var/tmp/kdecache-bluecopper/kpc/kde-icon-cache.index"
[02:17] <bluecopper> kdialog(10446): Failed to lock file "/var/tmp/kdecache-bluecopper/kpc/kde-icon-cache.lock" , last result = 2
[02:17] <bluecopper> kdialog(10446): Couldn't create index file "/var/tmp/kdecache-bluecopper/kpc/kde-icon-cache.index"
[02:17] <bluecopper> QFile::remove: Empty or null file name
[02:17] <bluecopper> bluecopper@bluecopper-desktop:~$ ksnapshot
[02:17] <bluecopper> ksnapshot(10845): Failed to lock file "/var/tmp/kdecache-bluecopper/kpc/kde-icon-cache.lock" , last result = 2
[02:17] <bluecopper> ksnapshot(10845): Couldn't create index file "/var/tmp/kdecache-bluecopper/kpc/kde-icon-cache.index"
[02:17] <bluecopper> kdialog(10847): Failed to lock file "/var/tmp/kdecache-bluecopper/kpc/kde-icon-cache.lock" , last result = 2
[02:17] <jtisme> sjdurfey, to desktop or desktop plasmoid
[02:17] <bluecopper> kdialog(10847): Couldn't create index file "/var/tmp/kdecache-bluecopper/kpc/kde-icon-cache.index"
[02:17] <jtechidna> !paste
[02:18] <gargoyle76> i need help w/ my monitor settings...it wont stay if I reboot...I defaults...i can re-set it tho
[02:18] <favro> !topic | bluecopper
[02:18] <jtisme> sjdurfey, to desktop or desktop plasmoid
[02:19] <sjdurfey> desktop plasmoid, but i think i need to create a symbolic link to the original app
[02:20] <sjdurfey> all the apps that are in the desktop plasmoid are stored in the /home/<user>/Desktop directory, so if there is an app there, it will appear in the desktop plasmoid
[02:20] <jtisme> sjdurfey, i was unable to change the icon picture it wasnt part of properties
[02:20] <bluecopper> i get a similar message when opening open office applications
[02:20] <sjdurfey> yeah, same here
[02:20] <jtisme> bluecopper, sounds like you dont have permissions to write on you home directory
[02:21] <sjdurfey> there must be another way of doing this
[02:21] <jtisme> on=in
[02:21] <notriddle> jtisme: How? Kubuntu always allows you to write to your home.
[02:21] <jtisme> sjdurfey, well that isnt a bad method
[02:22] <cuznt> how about phone home/?
[02:22] <sjr> I love you cuznt
[02:22] <jtisme> notriddle, the two areas he mentioned are in his /home directory is all i am saying
[02:22] <jtisme> and he cant write to them
[02:23] <jtisme> sjdurfey, symbolic links are the best way and done quite often
[02:23] <jtisme> sjdurfey, let us know if you find a way to change the icon picture
[02:24] <notriddle> When you right-click a .desktop, the icon is shown next to the name. Click that, and it lets you change it. Does it not allow you to click? Or does it give an obvious permission denied?
[02:24] <jtisme> bluecopper, can you open a Terminal window
[02:24] <sjdurfey> jtisme: im looking into it now
[02:24] <jtisme> good
[02:25] <draik> How do I import my firefox bookmarks? I have them saved from a previous fubar incident.
[02:25] <notriddle> draik: Into what?
[02:25] <sjr> Does anyone know why canada sucks so much
[02:25] <sjdurfey> goto the bookmarks menu->manage bookmarks and there is an option to import export from there
[02:25] <sjr> All our mirrors suck
[02:26] <notriddle> sjr: I hope you're talking about the mirrors...
[02:26] <draik> notriddle: Sorry, should have mentioned that part. I saved them from my old (8.04) desktop and want to import them back into firefox. It is firefox to firefox.
[02:26] <sjr> I am notriddle
[02:26] <bluecopper> yes i can open the terminal after the message some up saying the .kde/share/config .... is not writeable
[02:27] <jtisme> bluecopper, execute  ls -la /home/YOURLOGINNAME and see if you own all the dirs and files there
[02:28] <jtisme> and if the dirs are writeable
[02:28] <bluecopper> i cant even open my browser
[02:28] <bluecopper> it says it cant save the configuration file
[02:28] <draik> bluecopper: Does your home directory belong to you instead of root?
[02:28] <sjr> Do you love me? Hold me?
[02:28] <bluecopper> i'll have to paste the result of the ls -la in here
[02:29] <jtisme> not here pastebin!!!
[02:29] <draik> !pastebin | bluecopper
[02:29] <draik> bluecopper: You'll always have Konqueror
[02:29] <draik> Amarok took a dump. Gotta restart X
[02:30] <jtisme> sjdurfey, i think icon pict change is not avail in this release
[02:30] <phoenixz> Im using Kubuntu 8.10 KDE4.1something.. When I watch youtube clips in firefox, every 5 seconds, the video stops and the audo only makes "tsk tsk tsk tsk" sounds.. I move the video some 10 secs forward and its continues agaqin... for another 5 seconds.. Is this a known problem?
[02:31] <bluecopper> konqueror gives the same error message
[02:31] <sjdurfey> awwww, thats sad
[02:31] <sjdurfey> from what ive been reading about the desktop plasmoid, its pretty bad ass
[02:31] <jtisme> bluecopper, sounds more and more like you dont have write perms on your /home dir
[02:32] <bluecopper> i cant get to pastebin cause the browsers not opening
[02:32] <jtisme> sjdurfey, complete rewrite according to internet so bound to have few bugs
[02:32] <favro> bluecopper: you don 't need to paste it - just read it
[02:33] <sjdurfey> yeah, thats understandable, just too bad i cant change it now. the icon for a newly created app is a question mark
[02:33] <BrianCx> unetbootin; what should i do
[02:33] <favro> bluecopper: if root appears in ls -l ~ then you have permission errors
[02:33] <bluecopper> i'm only gonna post the ones that rot owns
[02:34] <favro> bluecopper: don't bother - telling us root is there is all that is necessary
[02:34] <bluecopper> bluecopper@bluecopper-desktop:~$ ls -la
[02:34] <bluecopper> total 1929252
[02:34] <bluecopper> drwxr-xr-x 55 bluecopper bluecopper      4096 2008-11-05 19:51 .
[02:34] <bluecopper> drwxr-xr-x  3 root       root            4096 2008-07-30 16:51 ..
[02:34] <bluecopper> drwxr-xr-x  2 bluecopper bluecopper      4096 2008-08-23 12:47 .acetoneiso
[02:34] <bluecopper> drwx------  3 bluecopper bluecopper      4096 2008-08-02 20:00 .adobe
[02:34] <bluecopper> -rw-------  1 bluecopper bluecopper      6617 2008-11-04 21:42 .bash_history
[02:34] <favro> !ops
[02:34] <bluecopper> -rw-r--r--  1 bluecopper bluecopper       220 2008-07-30 16:51 .bash_logout
[02:34] <bluecopper> -rw-r--r--  1 bluecopper bluecopper      2940 2008-07-30 16:51 .bashrc
[02:34] <bluecopper> drwxr-xr-x  2 bluecopper bluecopper      4096 2008-09-14 15:39 Comptia Exam Obj
[02:34] <bluecopper> drwxr-xr-x  8 bluecopper bluecopper      4096 2008-11-05 20:09 .config
[02:34] <bluecopper> -rw-r--r--  1 bluecopper bluecopper    293725 2008-08-18 18:10 contactlist.xml
[02:34] <bluecopper> -rw-r--r--  1 bluecopper bluecopper  22500932 2008-08-18 19:04 crossover-pro_6.2.0-1_i386.deb
[02:34] <bluecopper> -rw-r--r--  1 bluecopper bluecopper  25607860 2008-08-18 19:07 Crossover-Pro-7.0.2.sh
[02:34] <bluecopper> drwxr-xr-x  8 bluecopper bluecopper      4096 2008-08-18 21:58 cxoffice
[02:34] <sjdurfey> woah, what the hell?
[02:35] <favro> he was an idiot
[02:35] <favro> thanks
[02:35] <sjdurfey> seriously, he should have used a pastebin
[02:35]  * nalioth blinks
[02:35] <draik> Holy crud.
[02:35] <nalioth> ubottu: tell bluecopper about pastebin
[02:35] <draik> I came back to see this? LOL
[02:35] <nalioth> draik: c'mon, a little excitement never hurt anyone
[02:35] <nalioth> heh
[02:35] <sjdurfey> hmmm, if i can find the conf file for the desktop plasmoids, you can specify the Icon used in that
[02:36] <draik> nalioth: Meh. I would have preferred a netsplit.
[02:36] <nalioth> bluecopper: please /msg ubottu pastebin
[02:36] <jtisme> bluecopper is gone
[02:37] <bluecopper> i'm here
[02:37] <jtisme> ok it said you quit
[02:37] <bluecopper> i got a message from the bot
[02:37] <jtisme> did you read it
[02:37] <bluecopper> as i was explaining i cant use pastebin becuase i cant use my browser
[02:38] <favro> bluecopper: do it again and you won't be back for a while - follow the rules
[02:38] <bluecopper> ok
[02:38] <favro> bluecopper: you were told not it - it wasn't necessary
[02:38] <jtisme> favro i need some irc education are you a channel op
[02:38] <bluecopper> so how else am i gonna get help
[02:38] <favro> jtechidna: nope
[02:39] <jtisme> favro wrong jt but that is ok
[02:39] <favro> bluecopper: listen when people tell you stuff is the first thing
[02:39] <JontheEchidna> :P
[02:39] <vorian> bluecopper: you could try https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
[02:39] <draik> bluecopper: As I instructed you, Konqueror is also a browser. Not being able to use Firefox or Opera does not mean you do not have an online browser.
[02:39] <jtisme> bluecopper, do you understand owner group and permissions
[02:39] <bluecopper> wat part of "I CANT USE MY BROWSER" that is so hard to understand
[02:40] <jtisme> he cant open any browser guys
[02:40] <vorian> bluecopper: send an email to kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[02:40] <favro> bluecopper: you were told it wasn't necessary to paste it - what part of that didn't you understand?
[02:40] <bluecopper> and as i am now repeating i am getting the same error with konqueror
[02:40] <mago22> hola
[02:40] <stdin> !info pastebinit
[02:40] <mago22> hello
[02:40] <ardchoille> bluecopper: you can always go to #bluecopper and paste all you want
[02:40] <mago22> hello
[02:41] <vorian> hi mago22
[02:41] <mago22> como estan
[02:41] <stdin> install pastebinit and run "command | pastebinit"
[02:41] <draik> jtisme: Not even with sudo?
[02:41] <mago22> alguien español
[02:41] <draik> !es | mago22
[02:41] <bluecopper> u know what forget it
[02:41] <mago22> como lo ago
[02:41] <bluecopper> i guess i'll have to just fend for ma self and find some other means of gettn ma problem solved
[02:41] <jtisme> draik sorry refresh my memory too much is happening
[02:41] <mago22> ayudame
[02:42] <mago22> sou nuevo
[02:42] <jtisme> bluecopper, hang on dont go away
[02:42] <BrianCx> !es | mago22
[02:42] <bluecopper> jtisme: what u saying
[02:43] <jtisme> bluecopper, lets start at the beginning what cant you do?
[02:43] <draik> jtisme: <jtisme> he cant open any browser guys
[02:43] <jtisme> draik oh yes now i remember ;/
[02:43]  * stdin points at pastebinit again
[02:43] <favro> it is just permissions
[02:43] <jtisme> sounds like it
[02:44] <bluecopper> i cant use my browsers i get an error that the config file for the application is not writable
[02:44] <favro> bluecopper: in konsole type   sudo chmod -Rv bluecopper:bluecopper ~/   if bluecopper is your login name
[02:44] <bluecopper> and then another one comes up saying it cant save bookmarks
[02:45] <jtisme> good suggestion from favro
[02:45] <bluecopper> any application i open i get the config file is not writeable
[02:45] <bluecopper> ok let me run that command
[02:45] <favro> he's not gonna listen
[02:45] <favro> good
[02:45] <sjdurfey> jtisme: check out this plasmoid http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/main
[02:46] <jtisme> sjdurfey, yes i heard about lancelot i will check it out thansk
[02:46] <stdin> jtisme: we have that packaged: plasmoid-lancelot
[02:46] <bluecopper> is this the command sudo chmod -Rv bluecopper:bluecopper ~/
[02:46] <sjdurfey> no problem
[02:46] <ardchoille> stdin: ah, nice
[02:47] <sjdurfey> yeah, thats where i got it
[02:47] <jtisme> yes several folks using lancelot
[02:47] <jtisme> thansk stdin
[02:47] <jtisme> bluecopper, yes
[02:47] <ardchoille> shouldn't that be chown and not chmod?
[02:47] <sjdurfey> how does everyone like it?
[02:47] <BrianCx> yes
[02:47] <jtisme> yes chown not mod
[02:48] <bluecopper> i get an error chmod: invalid mode: `bluecopper:bluecopper'
[02:48] <jtisme> bluecopper, use chown not chmod
[02:48] <stdin> bluecopper: do "sudo chown -R $(whoami): ~/"
[02:48] <favro> my bad should be chown bluecopper
[02:48] <stdin> copy & paste everything between the quotes
[02:48] <ardchoille> bluecopper: sudo chown -Rv $USER:$USER ~/
[02:48] <bluecopper> ok
[02:48] <bluecopper> its executing
[02:49] <favro> I was typing angry - I can't stand idiots
[02:49] <ptl> is there any KDE program that is compatible with the bluez 4.0 stack?
[02:49] <sjdurfey> haha, who's the idio favro?
[02:49] <favro> I'm one too it seems :)
[02:49] <bluecopper> it failed
[02:50] <jtisme> with what error msg
[02:50] <sjdurfey> haha, its cool, we all have those moments
[02:50] <sjr> Hi um, buddies, pals, friends.
[02:50] <bluecopper> get error on all .. readonly file system
[02:50] <ardchoille> aha
[02:50] <jtisme> ahh the real problem
[02:50] <sjr> How do I get the Nvidia driver installed in intrepid?
[02:50] <sjr> I'm not familiar with this setup
[02:50] <sjr> and I am also noticing weird effects on the screen
[02:50] <ardchoille> !nvidia | sjr
[02:51] <jtisme> bluecopper, execute  mount
[02:51] <jtisme> look at the first line of output
[02:51] <sjdurfey> you could check out this pretty sweet script http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[02:51] <ardchoille> well, on the good side, a ro file system is pretty safe :)
[02:51] <jtisme> does it have (rw, in the first line of output from mount?
[02:52] <ardchoille> !envy | sjdurfey
[02:52] <sjdurfey> ahhh, ok, ive never tried it myself, i just happened to come across that when i was looking at LinuxMint
[02:52] <bluecopper> rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro
[02:53] <sjr> Is there a way to switch monitors in X on my notebook like windows does it, without constantly having to restart it?
[02:53] <SimplySeth> does kubuntu 8.10 have a liveCD kinda thing ?
[02:53] <draik> SimplySeth: Yes
[02:53] <sjdurfey> yes
[02:53] <jtisme> bluecopper, does the line begin  /dev/sdX on  /
[02:54] <bluecopper> yes
[02:54] <SimplySeth> draik: thanx .. I musta missed it in 8.10
[02:54] <bluecopper> sdb5 on /
[02:54] <jtisme> well i am a little perplexed
[02:54] <sjr> Awwww does Kubuntu 8.10 really use Synaptic instead of Adept?
[02:54] <dig> Not familiar with bash script. What is "echo 1 > xxxxxxx"?
[02:54] <sjdurfey> it has both doesnt it?
[02:55] <jtisme> does the output from mount have anything for  /dev/sdaX
[02:55] <ardchoille> synaptic is a gtk-based app
[02:55] <sjdurfey> takes the output from echo 1 and redirects it into whatever xxxxxx is
[02:55] <draik> SimplySeth: Missed the liveCD?
[02:55] <sjdurfey> if xxxxx is a file, then it places "1" into the file
[02:55] <sjr> It looks like it only has synaptic
[02:56] <sjdurfey> sjr: if i go into the kicker, and click on the Apps tab, Adept shows up
[02:56] <bluecopper> no
[02:56] <jtisme> bluecopper, are you dual booting
[02:56] <bluecopper> this is actually the later portion of a  secondary drive
[02:57] <bluecopper> yes
[02:57] <dig> overwrite the file?
[02:57] <bluecopper> windows on one drive and kubuntu on the other
[02:57] <sjdurfey> yes, if you want to append to the file, use echo 1 >> xxxxxx
[02:57] <bluecopper> brb
[02:58] <dr_willis> be carefull with >> and > :) typos can kill.
[02:58] <dr_willis> :P
[02:58] <sjr> sjdurfey: is that Intrepid?
[02:58] <dig> thx
[02:58] <sjdurfey> sjr: thats bash
[02:58] <sjr> bash?
[02:58] <dr_willis> !bash
[02:58] <sjdurfey> dr_willis: hell yeah it can
[02:58] <jtisme> sjr that every release
[02:58] <sjr> Um... I know what bash is
[02:58] <dr_willis> Linux Basics day! :)
[02:58] <dr_willis> Then why did ya ask> ;)
[02:58] <sjr> Because I asked if he was running 8.10, he said "That's bash?"
[02:59] <sjr> so I said bash? because I don't understand his answer
[02:59] <dr_willis> its not a intrepid feature.. its a bash feature
[02:59] <sjdurfey> you didnt ask if i was using intrepid, you just asked "is that intrepid"
[02:59] <sjdurfey> crap
[02:59] <sjdurfey> i got you confused with someone else, haha, sorry
[02:59] <dr_willis> one has to allow - for lag and sentances out or order. :)
[02:59] <sjdurfey> yeah im using Intrepid
[02:59] <dr_willis> it pays to be verbose yet concise. :P
[03:00] <jtisme> dr_willis, i love that sentence
[03:00] <ardchoille> :)
[03:00] <SimplySeth> draik: yeah .. I was prolly goin' too fast and missed it .. but I wanted to verify 'cause there are some folk that wanna try it
[03:00] <draik> SimplySeth: Kubuntu.com and any torrent site will have it for you ;)
[03:00] <stdin> kubuntu.org
[03:00] <stdin> not .com
[03:01] <sjr> What is katapult
[03:01] <sjdurfey> dig: if you are still around, this may be of help to you http://www.linux-books.us/linux_general_0001.php
[03:01] <ardchoille> !katapult
[03:01] <SimplySeth> yeah .. I installed it on someone's pc and now i don't have a pc to test it on .. .. thanks
[03:01] <dig> cool
[03:01] <sjr> Hmmmmm
[03:02] <SimplySeth> someone needed a comp .. so i gave them mine with Kubuntu on it :)
[03:02] <sjdurfey> that was awfully sweet of you!
[03:02] <ardchoille> Hmm.. pastebinit is pretty cool, someone deserves a cigar
[03:04] <sjdurfey> ardchoille: do you code at all?
[03:04] <hagabaka> is anyone else getting conflicts with updates in backport?
[03:04] <ardchoille> bash/kommander scripts and learning python atm
[03:05] <sjdurfey> check out http://codepade.org , its much better than pastebin because it will actually compile/interpret your code and spit out the output
[03:05] <sjdurfey> wont help with bash, but if you ever need help with python, thats supported
[03:05] <sevenseeker> woah, now _that_ is brave of them
[03:07] <draik> stdin: Sorry about that. Don't know why I put .com
[03:07] <stdin> draik: probably because ubuntu is ubuntu.com
[03:07] <sjdurfey> i need to find the time to start learning Python so i can get to work on the piece of software i want to develop
[03:07] <stdin> and after a while, .com becomes habit on the web
[03:09] <draik> stdin: Maybe.
[03:14] <draik> Does anyone here use the ps3 app? There are times when I can't read the app name or process number; they are black blocks.
[03:16] <sjdurfey> stdin: do you know if the plasmoid "emailnotify" is available in the repos? i looked for "emailnotify" but nothing came up so i thought maybe it may be under a different package name
[03:17] <stdin> sjdurfey: it's not, but if you think it should be packaged you can file a "Needs Packaging" bug
[03:18] <sjdurfey> ok, thanks
[03:18] <draik> sjdurfey: I know I saw it somewhere. Give me a sec.
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> that plasmoid isn't compatible with KDE 4.1
[03:19] <ardchoille> sjdurfey:  apt-cache search notify | more
[03:20] <condon> In gtk-gnutella, what is <THEX data...>?
[03:20] <sjdurfey> ah, its called gmail-notify
[03:20] <draik> Sorry sjdurfey. It is package gkrellm-mailwatch that I was thinking about just then.
[03:21] <sjdurfey> its alright, i may have found it, but im not 100% sure now
[03:21] <ptl> do you guys have the problem with gkrellm that it changes position on KDE when you plug or unplug the network?
[03:24] <sjdurfey> ok, so the package gmail-notify is an applet that the kde team wrote that performs the same functionality as the one i was thinking of that was released by google
[03:25] <foo> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-help/96678-monitor-display-applet-missing.html - any ideas on this? I get this error: The module Monitor & Display could not be loaded. .. possible reasons ... you should see that on the post, I can't seem to figure this out. I'm wondering if it's a bug. Thanks!
[03:26] <kevbuntu> it has to be foo. i'm dealing with a similar issue
[03:26] <draik> I fubar'd a 256MB during a Billix install. It will not be ready at all. Is there another method to format the USB drive?
[03:27] <ardchoille> draik: ext3?
[03:27] <kevbuntu> foo: check this out. this is the same issue i am having
[03:27] <kevbuntu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=968790
[03:28] <draik> ardchoille: It was vfat, IIRC, but I don't care about the next format.
[03:29] <ardchoille> draik: mkfs.ext3 /dev/device (needs sudo) ?
[03:30] <draik> ardchoille: That's just it. It doesn't show up at all
[03:31] <ardchoille> draik: nothing in dmesg when you plug it in?
[03:33] <memeemeee> ok so I am back to square one here. my computer refuses to contact the router. I'm running Kubuntu 8.04 my hardware LEDs are working, I have set static ip info in /etc/network/interfaces and I have now tried 2 different ethernet cards (in different slots) with the same results! please help me! people last time seemed to think it was a hardware problem but I'm sure there's something were missing here!
[03:34] <draik> ardchoille: That's what I get for dmesg
[03:34] <sjdurfey> i love when projects include the source, but give you no instructions whatsoever on how to install/compile the thing, and it doesnt include a makefile
[03:36] <jtisme> does it have a configure file
[03:36] <sjdurfey> nope, its just some header files and several source files
[03:36] <jtisme> what product
[03:37] <sjdurfey> emailnotify, its a plasmoid that automatically checks your gmail account, its written by someone at goole
[03:37] <sjdurfey> *gogle
[03:37] <sjdurfey> *google
[03:37] <jtisme> ok no experience with plasmoids yet
[03:38] <sjdurfey> yeah, i have no idea what to do
[03:38] <vasilisa> yay i went back to hardy and everything works again
[03:39] <jtisme> was it called emailnotify or gmail-notify
[03:39] <sjdurfey> emailnotify
[03:40] <sjdurfey> gmail-notify as i found out was written by the kde team and its not a plasmoid
[03:40] <jtisme> how did you get it i would like to view the source
[03:40] <sjdurfey> http://code.google.com/p/emailnotify/
[03:41] <sjdurfey> i think i may have been written by someone participating in the summer of code
[03:41] <jtisme> let me chek it out  brb
[03:41] <sjdurfey> ok
[03:44] <sjdurfey> how do i undo the last install so i can get rid of all the depencies it had to install?
[03:44] <ardchoille> sjdurfey: what did you install last?
[03:44] <sjdurfey> gmail-notify
[03:45] <ardchoille> sjdurfey: sudo apt-get remove gmail-notify && sudo apt-get autoremove
[03:45] <sjdurfey> sweet, thanks ardchoille, ill have to make a note of that somewhere so i know nexttime
[03:46] <ardchoille> yw
[03:47] <sjdurfey> that worked perfectly
[03:47] <ardchoille> :)
[03:47] <Konqui> esta disponible ahora kde 4.1.3 en kubuntu intrepid?
[03:47] <ardchoille> !es | Konqui
[03:47]  * genii hands ardchoille a coffee
[03:47] <ardchoille> :D
[03:48] <Konqui> esos no saben nada
[03:48] <jtisme> sjdurfey, looks like emailnotify expects (possibly) some specialized kde4 c++ makefile to make code
[03:48] <sjdurfey> you would think that would be included in the souce
[03:48] <jtisme> i believe it expects something akin to kde devl environment
[03:49] <sjdurfey> hmmm, so if i were to load it all in eclipse, and compile it that way, it may work?
[03:49] <mister-tea> no habla espanol aqi
[03:49] <jtisme> maybe, but i think the devl env is bigger than that
[03:49] <jtisme> not sure look for plasma devl env
[03:50] <sjdurfey> will do
[03:50] <genii> Konqui: Discusión española en el #ubuntu-es . Inglés solamente adentro aquí
[03:50] <sjdurfey> thanks jtisme! a question though, where in the code did you determine this?
[03:51] <mister-tea> I misspelled aqui
[03:51] <jtisme> no where in particular just experience with c and c++ etc. and devl environments
[03:52] <jtisme> i could be dead wrong but i suspect there is a specialized kde devl env
[03:52] <jtisme> somewhere
[03:52] <Konqui> ok ok ya me voy
[03:52] <sjdurfey> i found this http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/GettingStarted#Building_it_all.2C_the_CMakeLists.txt
[03:53] <jtisme> sounds like the right track
[03:53] <sjdurfey> yeah, i love learning about these things.
[03:54] <jtisme> yep looks like they use cmake whatever that is
[03:55] <sjdurfey> yeah, there is another link in the link i sent you that tells you exactly what it is and how to use it
[03:57] <jtisme> yep saw that interesting
[03:58] <sjdurfey> so much to learn, and i have so little free time to learn it :( damn school
[03:59] <supert0nes> how do you install fonts to konsole
[04:00] <jtisme> sjdurfey, yes looks like a few things to learn there
[04:01] <sjdurfey> yeah, it would make things easier to do if i didnt have to worry about non-programming classes!
[04:02] <jtisme> yep i havent programmed much in 10 years but before that c & c++ and java some
[04:03] <jtisme> automake etc. was not around when we started programming years ago
[04:03] <sjdurfey> thats cool. ive only been exposed to C++ in school thus far, but i want to learn Python
[04:03] <sjdurfey> im thinking ill be using C# next semester but im not sure
[04:03] <jtisme> i use perl i just never exposed myself to python either is fine
[04:04] <jtisme> c# is windows only?
[04:04] <jtisme> ms windows?
[04:05] <sjdurfey> im pretty sure the Mono project supports C# in the unix environemtn
[04:05] <SkEmO> yup
[04:05] <h00k> sjdurfey: I'm pretty sure, also
[04:05] <jtisme> does C# look similar to c++ at all
[04:06] <sjdurfey> good question, ive never actually seen C# code
[04:06] <jtisme> me either
[04:07] <jtisme> sjdurfey, did you ever find out how to change the icon picture?
[04:07] <sjdurfey> nope, i couldnt figure that out, and nobody in #kde is talking
[04:08] <sjdurfey> dragging icons on the desktop to the desktop plasmoid should be a feature
[04:08] <SJr|nx> That reminds me, what is that Desktop thing
[04:09] <SJr|nx> Why don't icons just appear on the desktop?
[04:09] <sjdurfey> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/05/no-more-desktop-icons-in-41.html
[04:09] <mister-tea> magic
[04:09] <sjdurfey> they do, but you can specify all kinds of cool things with that plasmoid
[04:10] <jtisme> SJrX, that Desktop thingy is actually a file/directory viewer
[04:10] <sjdurfey> yeah, it sounds pretty nifty
[04:11] <SJr|nx> omg...
[04:11] <yousef> what is the plasmoid thing anyway?
[04:11] <jtisme> the Desktop plasmoid is akin to a konqueror window for the Desktop folder
[04:11] <SJr|nx> KDE certainly seems to have mobilized its forces in a direction
[04:12] <jtisme> yousef, as i understand it, it is a subset of the overall kde that is now written in plasma ????
[04:12] <sjdurfey> hopefully it stays on this path, there can be all kinds of awesome things from it
[04:12] <jtisme> or something along those lines
[04:13] <yousef> ...ok
[04:14] <jtisme> yousef, very very high tech and futuristic
[04:14] <sjdurfey> A plasmoid is an applet developed with KDE’s new Plasma application development environment.
[04:15] <sjdurfey> a nifty thing about it is that it is capable of running Mac OS X widgets (or whatever they call them) as long as it is pure html code
[04:16] <supert0nes> 4.1.3 only for intrepid?
[04:17] <jtisme> supert0nes, explain please
[04:17] <supert0nes> is there 4.1.3 in hardy backports?
[04:17] <jtisme> sorry dont know that
[04:17] <favro> ardchoille: can't get back in?
[04:19] <jtisme> sjdurfey, where are you at physically, i am in atlanta
[04:19] <sjdurfey> bowling green, oh
[04:20] <jtisme> k
[04:20] <jtisme> sjdurfey, did you upgrade or fresh install
[04:20] <sjdurfey> fresh install
[04:21] <sjdurfey> i had openSuse on my laptop for a week or so, but i decided to fall back to kubuntu
[04:21] <jtisme> i always fresh install and have a shell to copy config files to new root etc. when i prove the new rel works with a list of important apps
[04:22] <jtisme> i ran opensuse for a while but like kubuntu just fine
[04:22] <sjdurfey> yeah, same here, i like the presentation on kubuntu better
[04:22] <jtisme> i also run ubuntu
[04:22] <sjdurfey> i have fedora 9 on my desktop, but im pretty sure im going to switch it over to kubuntu
[04:23] <sjdurfey> i wish i could get rid of windows completely on my desktop, but i need visual studio for school
[04:23] <jtisme> yep my wife needs a few windows progs on her Xp so cant go to total linux
[04:24] <genii> Could always run it in a VM
[04:24] <h00k> VirtualBox is nice,
[04:24]  * Tw|sT is currently setting up Kubuntu onto a VMWare ESXi server, as one of many virtualized linux installations
[04:24] <sjdurfey> yeah, i could do that, maybe i should
[04:24] <jtisme> yes i run vm for a while but it is only one machine and i want to keep the little lady happy ;/
[04:24] <jtisme> run=ran
[04:25] <jtisme> i am about to look at virtual box for another reason
[04:27] <genii> I have one setup where I have XP, MacOS, FreeBSD running on 3 sides of a cube :)
[04:27] <jtisme> genii, VMware or virtualbox
[04:28] <genii> jtisme: VMware
[04:28] <jtisme> genii, the workstation version or other
[04:29] <genii> jtisme: Workstation
[04:29] <jtisme> genii, is workstation still free
[04:29] <genii> jtisme: Yup
[04:29] <jtisme> genii, what about the Mac OS where did it come from
[04:29] <genii> jtisme: I have 2 Gb for each VM (the box has 16) and 160Gb virtual drive
[04:30] <genii> jtisme: The MacOS is an old 9.2 I had from long ago
[04:30] <jtisme> oh, wondered where you got the OS that explains
[04:31] <genii> jtisme: I also sometimes run the free 7.5 inside of Basilisk II
[04:32] <jtisme> oh boy another opportunity what is Basilisk II
[04:32] <ardchoille> basilisk2 - 68k Macintosh emulator
[04:32] <genii> jtisme: It's a Motorola chip emulator
[04:33] <jtisme> ok thanks
[04:33] <genii> Anything which could run on a Motorola 68000 series chip will run on it
[04:34] <genii> ardchoille: Includes Amiga, not just Macs btw :)
[04:35] <ardchoille> genii: ah, ok, then the kubuntu sources maintainer needs to change that :)
[04:37] <jtisme> i have often wondered, there are about 310 signed on currently
[04:37] <jtisme> but generally only 5-6 are conversing
[04:37] <jtisme> i guess the others are listening/learning/what?
[04:37] <ardchoille> I come here mainly to learn, but willing to help if I can
[04:37] <Hydrant> anyone familiar with kopete? Since I upgraded to 8.10, every time I get a message I get this flow down the top of the screen of boxes
[04:38] <Hydrant> ... it used to be I could click through each message, now they're all shown and I don't like...
[04:38] <Hydrant> also even if a window is open, those annoying boxes come up, I'm trying to figure how to turn them off
[04:38] <jtisme> just wondering i always learn something new
[04:38] <mr---t-> jtisme: some are on multiple channels trying to help in there special area of expertise
[04:38] <jtisme> ahh
[04:40] <mr---t-> their^
[04:41] <jtisme> does the single ^  or double ^^ have any meaning in conversation
[04:41] <ardchoille> jtisme: usually means to look up a few lines
[04:42] <jtisme> i have seen them used and dont know what they mean
[04:42] <jtisme> ok thought that might be it i am an irc neophite
[04:42] <ardchoille> or a single "^" followed by a letter (ex ^M) means ctrl+M
[04:42] <jtisme> ahh
[04:43] <jtisme> currently Zero ops are listed, does anyone else have ability to kick someone off channel other than ops
[04:44] <ardchoille> no
[04:44] <ardchoille> well, freenode staff do
[04:44] <jtisme> yep other than them
[04:44] <jtisme> so when you get banned how long is it for
[04:45] <ardchoille> I'm not sure how that works for this channel
[04:45] <ardchoille> it can vary
[04:45] <jtisme> k
[04:45] <Hydrant> don't try to get banned
[04:45] <jtisme> dont plan to i try to stay very netural
[04:45] <jtisme> i enjoy the banter
[04:46] <Hydrant> you have to get to an extreme to get banned here
[04:46] <genii-around> Yup
[04:46] <Hydrant> like outright racism, or personal attack
[04:46] <jtisme> neither of which is justified
[04:46] <Hydrant> or just trolling... like coming here and being like "get a mac... vista rulez... screw you Linux lozers"
[04:46] <Hydrant> other than that, anything goes
[04:47] <jtisme> my personal take is if you cant help someone dont try to hurt them
[04:48] <Hydrant> IRC is a bit different from that, you'll sse soon enough :-)
[04:48] <jtisme> do you mean other channels
[04:48] <Hydrant> some channels can get distracted by someone soaking up all the attention
[04:48] <Hydrant> yah, haven't been on kubuntu mich
[04:48] <genii-around> jtisme: This is a fairly good channel. Because less users than #ubuntu don't have to get militant about casual talk when it's slow, etc
[04:49] <jtisme> noticed that
[04:49] <mr---t-> jtisme: there is almost always someone capable of becoming ops
[04:50] <jtisme> how can u tell if they are capable of becoming an op when right click on their name
[04:50] <genii-around> You can't tell
[04:50] <jtisme> k
[04:51] <nickishappy2> hello all
[04:51] <jtisme> nickishappy2, hello
[04:51] <nickishappy2> I was just wondering if the Final 8.10 release still had problems with the e1000e network driver
[04:52] <jtisme> dont use it so i cant tell you
[04:52] <jtisme> what hdwre uses that driver
[04:52] <jtisme> brand of hardware
[04:52] <nickishappy2> intel gigabit network cards
[04:53] <nickishappy2> I don't want to have to install another network card in my machine if the install bricks my onboard card
[04:53] <jtisme> try the Live CD first and see if it works
[04:53] <nickishappy2> I know it's been fixed and an update was released, I just don't know if the fix made it in before the final release
[04:54] <nickishappy2> that's what I'll do then
[04:54] <nickishappy2> thanks
[04:54] <jtisme> since it is probably a small driver you could probably download and install the update if one exists on the Live CD
[04:57] <nickishappy2> if it kills the network card it will happen as soon as it initializes it. I'd have to find the patch and download it before hand.
[04:57] <dig> Does anyone has problem that firefox crash frequently?
[04:58] <jtisme> nickishappy2, i would expect so. and that would offer problems for u
[04:58] <mr---t-> yup
[04:59] <jtisme> theres you answer
[04:59] <dig> I am @ 8.10 with FF 3.0.3
[04:59] <jtisme> dig havent run it enough to tell
[04:59] <mr---t-> better answers in #firefox
[05:00] <jtisme> nickishappy2, only one ethernet card, how about wireless
[05:00] <dig> cool
[05:00] <jtisme> do you have wireless
[05:02] <jtisme> nickishappy2, do u hav wired and wireless ethernet?
[05:04] <nickishappy2> jtisme: no wireless in the machine
[05:04] <nickishappy2> If I needed to I have other network cards laying around
[05:05] <nickishappy2> having to put another one in my machine conflicts with my lazyness
[05:05] <jtisme> nickishappy2, then if the 1G fails install a second and use it for download
[05:06] <Omoikane> I updated to ibex and my flash keeps crashing if it works at all and my mute button doesn't work anymore.
[05:08] <jtisme> folks it has been great thanks for the info and conversation(s) i need to go to bed, later thanks
[05:09] <bopferman> Hello, I have a file I am unable to delete. any ideas?
[05:10] <genii> bopferman: Where in the filesystem is the file located?
[05:10] <bopferman> my home directory
[05:10] <bopferman> it is named ?P??hP??xP??......
[05:10] <bopferman> I am not sure where it came from
[05:11] <genii> bopferman: Try using quotes around the name
[05:11] <sjdurfey> check the file permissions
[05:11] <bopferman> i can not chmod it
[05:11] <bopferman> even as sudo
[05:11] <bopferman> file or folder does not exist
[05:11] <genii> bopferman: Becuase it contains a wildcard
[05:12] <bopferman> how can i remove it?
[05:12] <genii> You have to escape the "?"
[05:13] <bopferman> how do i do this?
[05:13] <foo> x
[05:13] <sjdurfey> \?P\?\?hP\?\?xP\?\?
[05:14] <genii> bopferman: Use quotes around the name as I said. eg:   rm "?whatever?!"
[05:14] <bopferman> rm: cannot remove `?P??hP??pP??xP???P??P???P???P???P???P???P???P?': No such file or directory
[05:15] <stlewis> Try without the quotes, but escape the ?
[05:16] <ptl> bopferman: when I have this kind of situation, I do the following: get only the readable characters and add wildcards to it, like rm *P*h*P*p*P*P*P*P*P*P*
[05:16] <genii> ptl: Yes, that also works
[05:16] <stlewis> :D rm *\?
[05:16] <genii> NO
[05:16] <bopferman> lol
[05:17] <genii> stlewis: Not even in jest should you post it in the channel, someone curious will inevitably run it
[05:17] <bopferman> that did it! Thanks a bunch
[05:17] <memeemeee> ok I don';t know if this is a bug or a hardware problem but I have now tried installing 2 different sets of 2G DDRAMs in my ACER 3100 and they both caused serious problems with my PCI slots (esp pertaining to networking) anyone know about this?
[05:17]  * dwidmann is feeling mighty curious :D
[05:18] <ptl> I have upgraded to Intrepid Ibex and despite the bazillion bugs, I am happy with it. :) Hope they can get WPA2+LEAP to work soon.
[05:18] <ptl> memeemeee: clock problem?
[05:18] <stlewis> Ibex is giving me boot issues...
[05:19] <stlewis> Had to kill the splash, just so I could hit enter a hundred times to get to the desktop.
[05:19] <memeemeee> I guess ptl. the lit on the PC said it should work fine with 2G chips but only if i was using 64bit Vista. I'm using 64bit Kubuntu and nothin doin.
[05:20] <ptl> sometimes mine hangs on the splash too. But I can't get out, even with ctrl-alt-backspace. How do you kill the splash? ssh?
[05:20] <stlewis> By altering your grub loader.
[05:20] <stlewis> Remove the 'quiet' and 'splash' options.
[05:20] <stlewis> That *also* lets you see the errors that fire when you boot...
[05:20] <ptl> oh, that. I thought you were referring to the KDE splash screen.
[05:20] <stlewis> I was.
[05:21] <stlewis> Well...
[05:21] <stlewis> Not the splash.
[05:21] <stlewis> The boot screen.
[05:21] <stlewis> Screen with the scrolling bar while the os loads.
[05:21] <stlewis> My scrolling bar is sadly scroll...less.
[05:21] <stlewis> Just sort of freezes up...
[05:22] <stlewis> When I boot more verbosely, I'm forced to hit keys to push the boot process along...
[05:22] <stlewis> Weirdest thing, I haven't had a problem like this before.
[05:22] <stlewis> there were posts in the forums regarding similar issues, but doesn't appear to have seen any resolution
[05:23] <stlewis> Buuut....at least I can get in, and I didn't have to completely hose my initial install.
[05:23] <ptl> I didn't have that problem
[05:23] <mr---t-> oh you want help after giving a bad command?
[05:23] <ptl> I don't use bootscreens... I like to read the messages
[05:23] <stlewis> I don't mind not having the boot screens so much...
[05:23] <stlewis> It's the having to push the boot along that bugs me.
[05:24] <ptl> yeah, that is really really really weird.
[05:24] <stlewis> I have to assume there's something wrong with my set up, but beyond hitting the button to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10...
[05:24] <stlewis> I didn't do nuttin...
[05:24] <stlewis> I was really curious if a clean install from a disk might help...
[05:24] <stlewis> Right now I'm debating if its worth having to back all my data up.
[05:31] <phubar_> Hello
[05:31] <phubar_> anyone hanging around here
[05:32] <genii> Yup
[05:32] <bittin_> Hello
[05:32] <phubar_> Howdy
[05:33] <phubar_> <--- noob here lol
[05:33] <phubar_> I think I finally found me a linux build I can use :)
[05:33] <genii> phubar_: What is the nature of your Kubuntu emergency?
[05:33] <genii> (if any)
[05:33] <phubar_> You know much about low framerates issues in games
[05:33] <phubar_> I have WoW installed using WINE
[05:34] <phubar_> and my framerates are way lower than they should be
[05:34] <genii> phubar_: There is a WINE specific channel to ask in, #winehq
[05:34] <phubar_> I have been all over the web and nothing effects it
[05:35] <phubar_> o ok :) Thanks
[05:36]  * ardchoille hands genii a coffee
[05:37] <genii> ardchoille: Yay, coffee!
[05:37]  * genii sips
[05:37] <ardchoille> :)
[05:38]  * draik presents morphine with an IV hookup
[05:38] <phubar_> mmmm I want some Coffee
[05:39]  * genii puts on a fresh pot of coffee and readies the extra large Kubuntu mugs
[05:41] <ardchoille> how do I write my own theme/skin for bibletime? Is there a template/skin I can use?
[05:42] <genii-around> Are you running CE ?
[05:43]  * draik just realized its time to pop my pill
[05:45]  * draik just realized it's also time for a refill...
[05:47] <kabotage> how do i automatically boot kdm?
[05:49] <dwidmann> kabotage: so you're having that issue too? I thought it might be just me.
[05:50] <ooglebutte> kabotage: is anything listed in /etc/x11/default-display-manager?
[05:50] <draik> Can someone please confirm an issue for me (Firefox on Intrepid)?
[05:50] <dwidmann> kabotage: try running sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[05:51] <dwidmann> kabotage: also, remove kdm-kde4 if you have it.
[05:51] <kabotage> ooglebutte: i tried changing it to kdm
[05:51] <dwidmann> kabotage: I assume it's a side-effect of upgrading from hardy+kde4
[05:51] <kabotage> dwidmann: i tried dpkg reconfigurre
[05:51] <draik> Using Firefox with Intrepid, try to save an image to your computer (folder doesn't matter), but change the filename (add a 1 to the end; keep extension).
[05:52] <draik> Are you able to save the file?
[05:52] <ooglebutte> draik: I heard about that - I think it is listed as a bug
[05:52] <kabotage> dwidmann: i dont have kdm-kde4
[05:53] <dwidmann> kabotage: but is the script for it still in /etc/init.d?
[05:53] <dwidmann> kabotage: if it is (like it is for me), try
[05:53] <dwidmann> kabotage: sudo update-rc.d -f kdm-kde4 remove
[05:53] <kabotage> dwidmann: ok. hold on.,
[05:55] <draik> Thank you ooglebutte
[05:55] <ooglebutte> np
[05:55] <dwidmann> oh, and kabotage, do let me know if it works ... seeing as I've been having the issue too and haven't gotten around to fixing it yet :)
[05:56] <benbloom> !ati
[06:02] <billytwowilly> hi, I just set up my second monitor with twinview and it is black. I can move my mouse there and put windows on it, but it's just black... How do I set a background??
[06:02] <kabotage> dwidmann: alright mate. im having this issue for bout a week or 2 now. il update everything before i reboot
[06:03] <dwidmann> kabotage: if you insist
[06:03] <Hydrant> billytwowilly: if you find out, you let me know
[06:04] <Hydrant> billytwowilly: I spend 1/2 hour on that one
[06:04] <dwidmann> kabotage: there's a new version in proposed, but that's the only update to kdm so far for intrepid
[06:28] <InteliWasp> i have a gforce3 card, do i need to do anything special to enable dual display? they are both crt monitors(identical)
[06:29] <ooglebutte> !twinview | InteliWasp
[06:29] <ooglebutte> that tells bugger all
[06:29] <InteliWasp> does twinview allow 2 separate x windows?
[06:30] <ooglebutte> InteliWasp: it does - in konsole   sudo nvidia-settings is how it is used I beleive
[06:30] <dwidmann> ooglebutte: kdesudo
[06:30] <InteliWasp> do i need the monnitors attached at install?
[06:30] <InteliWasp> i mean both
[06:30] <Hydrant> twinview is one big monitor
[06:31] <Hydrant> turn it on via nvidia-config I think... or nvidia-settings might have it too
[06:31] <ooglebutte> dwidmann: thnks - didn't know it was graphical...
[06:31] <InteliWasp> i think i would go with xinerama
[06:31]  * Hydrant uses twinview and likes it
[06:32] <dwidmann> Xinerama generally gives *horrid* performance, among other problems.
[06:32] <dwidmann> In my experience.
[06:32] <InteliWasp> i hope it works with the older drivers... my card does not allow for the latest version
[06:33] <Hydrant> how do you have KDE setup with two monitors?
[06:33] <Hydrant> I'm having major issues with KDE4
[06:35] <lcamaleon> hi!!! i got a problem with the repositories 4 openofice 3
[06:35] <lcamaleon> someone help me!!
[06:35] <zmaile> any more info so we can help you?
[06:36] <lcamaleon> ok!!!
[06:36] <lcamaleon> i got pick
[06:36] <ooglebutte> and !!! stop!!!with!!these!!
[06:37] <lcamaleon> zmaile, i got pick how i send u??
[06:37] <ardchoille> lcamaleon: I'm not sure openoffice 3 is officially supported yet
[06:37] <zmaile> no, it isn't. it just missed 8.10
[06:37] <ardchoille> yeah
[06:38] <lcamaleon> so... what can i do?
[06:39] <ardchoille> lcamaleon: perhaps the openoffice mailing list?
[06:39] <InteliWasp> dwidmann aparently i just found out, that there is xRandR to replace xinerama
[06:39] <dwidmann> InteliWasp: oh?
[06:39] <lcamaleon> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3098454.0
[06:39] <lcamaleon> that is the link i use!!
[06:40] <dwidmann> InteliWasp: I used nvidia-settings to set it to "seperate X screens" ... performance is wonderful but with one problem ... kde4 doesn't support it yet.
[06:40] <ardchoille> lcamaleon: I understand that, but oo.o 3 isn't part of Kubuntu yet, and so can't be officially supported
[06:41] <dwidmann> ardchoille: but if you or anyone else knows an answer to a problem ... please do give it :)
[06:41] <lcamaleon> ardchoille, ok i understand that but i want ti udgrade it!!
[06:41] <zmaile> if you want it, you could download it from the openoffice.org site
[06:41] <zmaile> just find a .deb package
[06:41] <lcamaleon> ok i did it!!
[06:41] <ardchoille> dwidmann: I don't have oo.o install
[06:41] <ectospasm> compiling it shouldn't be an option
[06:41] <lcamaleon> but i newbe!!
[06:42] <ectospasm> I remember compiling OO.o on my this machine when it was running Gentoo... took days, iirc
[06:42] <lcamaleon> so i do now how to install it
[06:42] <ectospasm> ...and it didn't work right afterwards.
[06:42] <zmaile> well, first step is to drop the exclamation marks
[06:42] <dwidmann> ectospasm: slow machine?
[06:43] <zmaile> http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=linuxinteldeb&lang=en-US&version=3.0.0
[06:43] <ptl> cod yogurt is good, but does not have acne.
[06:43] <ardchoille> perhaps #openoffice ?
[06:43] <zmaile> that will be the openiffice package
[06:43] <ooglebutte> ptl: thnks for sharing :)
[06:44] <zmaile> though it is compressed i think
[06:45] <ectospasm> dwidmann: 5yr old machine
[06:45] <ectospasm> even if you had an 8way system it'd probably take a good two hours to compile OO.o
[06:46] <dwidmann> ectospasm: that would take a long time then ... I'd assume that the processor would be somewhere in the pentium 4 2.5GHz range?
[06:46] <ectospasm> Opteron 242, dual cpu (not dual core) 1.6GHz
[06:47] <ectospasm> I hate this system
[06:47] <dwidmann> Hmm, I wonder how long it would take me to compile OOo ... I should do it just for sake of experiment
[06:47] <ectospasm> the earliest I can replace it I will
[06:47] <lcamaleon> ok,,, thz!! i will try!!
[06:47]  * dwidmann has a C2Q 2.5GHz
[06:48] <ectospasm> is anyone else having problems with the redraw on the system tray?  The icons are wonky for me
[06:48] <ectospasm> ...in KDE4
[06:48] <zmaile> anyway, once you have that file downloaded, you will want to untar it with the command 'sudo tar -xvvzf OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz'
[06:48] <zmaile> or you can dissapear. that's fine too
[06:49] <ooglebutte> hehe
[06:49] <ectospasm> zmaile: hopefully they saw the message, and it didn't disappear from their view before they quit
[06:49] <zmaile> ah well. they'll be back sometime i guess
[06:49] <ooglebutte> using someones' nick help keeps them interested
[06:50] <ooglebutte> !tab
[06:51]  * dwidmann hops in intermittently and doesn't usually read back until he recieves a highlighted message :)
[06:51] <ectospasm> what IRC client do y'all use?
[06:52] <ooglebutte> I like xchat
[06:52]  * dwidmann is presently using konversation
[06:52] <ectospasm> I moved away from xchat because it had zero keyboard navigation
[06:52] <ectospasm> or at least I couldn't figure out how to do it
[06:53] <ectospasm> I use irssi no
[06:53] <ectospasm> w
[06:53] <draik> Goodnight everyone
[06:54] <ooglebutte> I tried irrsi - too many <><><> things
[06:54] <ooglebutte> and I spell irssi wrong all the time
[06:55] <ectospasm> what do you mean by "<><><>" things?
[06:55] <ectospasm> ooglebutte: ^^^
[06:57] <ooglebutte> ectospasm: around the nicks - I'm slow the line in xchat separating the nicks from messages is handy
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[06:57] <ectospasm> wow, that's lazy
[06:57] <ooglebutte> is what I mean
[06:57] <ectospasm> I never pay attention to what surrounds the nicks
[06:57] <ooglebutte> not lazy just slow
[06:58] <ectospasm> but since irssi isn't GUI based...
[06:58] <ooglebutte> or dim
[06:58] <ectospasm> XChat always munged things because it never kept that line where I wanted it to
[06:58] <ooglebutte> it moves to the size of the largest nick
[06:59] <ectospasm> I just remember being dissatisfied by that divider
[06:59] <ectospasm> It's been a good while since I used XChat.  Less than a year, but not much less...
[06:59] <ooglebutte> to each their own - it would be sad if there was only one chat client
[07:00] <ectospasm> I hated that I couldn't go to another channel I was in without using the mouse.
[07:00] <ooglebutte> and you called ME lazy :)
[07:00] <ectospasm> too big of a context switch
[07:01] <zmaile> i thnk lazy people use mice, and dont bother learning shortcut keys.
[07:01] <ectospasm> I mean, if you had to play an FPS game where you were constantly moving your hand from mouse to keyboard and back, it'd get old, right?
[07:01] <ooglebutte> I think lazy people don't think
[07:01] <zmaile> i think therefore i am (not lazy)?
[07:01] <ooglebutte> or you'd get dead...
[07:01] <ectospasm> No, lazy people think.  They will think hard about how to expend as little energy as possible doing a task.
[07:02] <ooglebutte> aaanyway it is all a bit ot for here
[07:02] <ooglebutte> how's that for lazy :)
[07:03] <ectospasm> did a new kernel just get pushed out?  I have to reboot after an upgrade
[07:04] <ooglebutte> it might have - that "shouldn't" demand a reboot tho
[07:04] <ectospasm> ooglebutte: if you want to load that new kernel it does...
[07:04] <ooglebutte> yep for sure
[07:05] <ectospasm> luckily it appears that it didn't try to overwrite (or even complain about) my custom edits to menu.lst
[07:05] <ectospasm> OK, rebooting...  bb tomorrow probably.
[07:06] <ooglebutte> there is a default line in menu.lst to stop some of that
[07:06] <ooglebutte> luck
[07:20] <Sokal-EC> i have quite a few themes installed for my desktop. Trouble is where do i find them
[07:20] <Sokal-EC> any clues?
[07:20] <isaacj87> Sokal-EC: What kind of themes, KDE 4 themes? or plasma themes?
[07:21] <f_> bbc
[07:21] <Sokal-EC> plasma
[07:21] <ardchoille> I"m sorry to say this but if a user is stupid enough to open an executable file in an email attachment, then they deserve exactly what they get
[07:21] <ardchoille> Oops, wrong window, sorry
[07:22] <isaacj87> Sokal-EC: Just right-click the desktop and go into "Desktop Settings"
[07:22] <Sokal-EC> did that
[07:22] <f_> bbc
[07:24] <Sokal-EC> and when i drop down the image selections it only has three that i have used
[07:24] <Sokal-EC> where are the rest?
[07:26] <ooglebutte> my guess is the desktop might not be the place for them - but that is a guess
[07:29] <baudthief> why oh why is xmms gone :(
[07:30] <baudthief> audacious isn't working for me, and amarok is nothing like winamp
[07:30] <ooglebutte> !xmms
[07:30] <ooglebutte> I use mpg123 here
[07:30] <baudthief> xmms2 doesn't have a gui, the ones developed are also shite
[07:31] <ooglebutte> xmms is no longer being developed, see http://bugs.debian.org/461309 for more details.
[07:31] <ooglebutte> most mp3 apps are based on mpg123
[07:33] <baudthief> is it possible to install an older version of xmms though?
[07:34] <ooglebutte> there might be a deb at getdeb - I don't know about the lib dependencies tho
[07:36] <ooglebutte> !dependency-hell
[07:36] <ooglebutte> I sure do
[07:37] <baudthief> hooray!
[07:37] <ooglebutte> there was a deb?
[07:37] <baudthief> got a copy from here: http://colonos.wordpress.com/2008/11/01/dont-cross-the-river-for-water-xmms-deb-for-intrepid/
[07:37] <ardchoille> baudthief: isn't beep media player a clone of xmms?
[07:37] <ooglebutte> well done :)
[07:38] <baudthief> ardchoille: looks like it is, didn't know about it :(
[07:38] <baudthief> Audacious used to work great as a replacement, but it died in the ass and all I get is a yellowish window now
[07:38] <ardchoille> baudthief: bmp has been in the repos for a while
[07:38] <baudthief> but who cares! I have XMMS again, yay!
[07:38] <ooglebutte> ohh - learn something new every day on irc...
[07:39] <ooglebutte> thnks ardchoille :)
[07:39] <ardchoille> yw
[07:39] <ardchoille> baudthief: I'm thinking you're going to eventually have deps problems
[07:40] <baudthief> ardchoille: yeah, its likely my machine will catch fire due to this - but it'd be cool while it lasts :P
[07:40] <ardchoille> hehe
[07:41] <carlin> hi, i am looking for some help
[07:41] <ardchoille> carlin: with what?
[07:42] <carlin> well i have an older laptop with a blank hdd and no cd drive
[07:42] <carlin> is there anyway i can install anything on it
[07:42] <ooglebutte> you can use usb
[07:42] <ooglebutte> !install
[07:42] <ooglebutte> ^^ will tell about it
[07:43] <carlin> all i have is a large external hd
[07:43] <carlin> will that work?
[07:43] <carlin> ill check it out
[07:43] <ooglebutte> !iso
[07:43] <ooglebutte> but you need a linux os installed for that...
[07:43] <carlin> i have kubuntu running on my desktop
[07:45] <ooglebutte> I'd recommend the usb install - 1G usb's are about $30 these days - try the install link first for background info
[07:45] <carlin> you think an external hard drive which connects via usb would work?
[07:46] <thankless> hello
[07:46] <ooglebutte> I've never tried - this bit is what I'd read first -  Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs
[07:46] <ooglebutte> hi thankless
[07:46] <thankless> can you help me ooglebutte?
[07:47] <ooglebutte> that's a very broad question - if your dog is sick then no...
[07:47] <sebr> To all involved in kubuntu intrepid: congrats, it's absolutely wonderful. I'm very impressed.
[07:47] <thankless> :)
[07:47] <ooglebutte> hehe
[07:48] <thankless> My cd doesn't work and I can't write the kubuntu image to a cd to boot and install from
[07:48] <thankless> I'm using windows xp sp2
[07:48] <ooglebutte> thankless: my reply to that is follow these links
[07:48] <ooglebutte> !install
[07:48] <ooglebutte> !wubi
[07:49] <thankless> I have tried some of the official links but it tells to me to download a program called grab and then it explains some commands in linux which i don't understand
[07:49] <carlin> is there any way to completely update kubuntu while running? i am still running
[07:50] <carlin> 3.5.6
[07:50] <ooglebutte> thankless: it is offtopic here but shouldn't you be using sp3 by now?
[07:50] <thankless> I don't know
[07:50] <ooglebutte> ask in ##windows
[07:51] <thankless> about the installation?
[07:51] <ooglebutte> about sp3
[07:52] <thankless> thanks for the tip but i was hoping to switch to kubuntu
[07:52] <ooglebutte> carlin: that is a kde version afaik - are you using kubuntu 8.04?
[07:53] <carlin> how would i check that...
[07:53] <thankless> I have downloaded the image file and extracted its contents to D: I have a boot CD which boots the traditional DOS
[07:53] <thankless> from there I formatted the Windwos XP drive C: and rebooted hpoping that it would boot from D: and install but nothing happens
[07:53] <ooglebutte> !version | carlin
[07:54] <carlin> im running 7.04
[07:54] <ooglebutte> thankless: look at the links ubottu suggested - with no cd a live usb is next best
[07:55] <thankless> don't have that either :(
[07:55] <ooglebutte> carlin: and where do you want to go with it?
[07:55] <carlin> the latest version my school is running
[07:55] <carlin> the one just released
[07:55] <ooglebutte> thankless: those links give other options - I'm not reading them for you sorry
[07:56] <ooglebutte> carlin: from 7.04 to 8.10 means upgrading through 3 os's - better off with fresh install
[07:57] <ooglebutte> carlin: a separate home partition makes that alot less painful...
[07:58] <carlin> i also have an xp partition and a vista partition, its possible to just reformat the kubuntu partion?
[07:58] <ooglebutte> carlin: a fresh install to that partition will do that for you
[07:59] <carlin> ok thanks a lot for your time!
[07:59] <ooglebutte> np :)
[08:05] <Ragol> btw. I asked some days ago why I can't use better resolution than 1280x1024 with my kubuntu 8.10 and nvidia 7400 card, I was now able to install the restricted drivers and even that didn't help
[08:06] <Ragol> it seems that the monitor is "sensed" wrong, so need to do some tweaking by hand to some config files, journey will continue :)
[08:08] <ooglebutte> Ragol: does   xrandr   in konsole show better options?
[08:11] <Colonel_Panic> Trying to upgrade to Intrepid, but I keep getting these errors:
[08:12] <Colonel_Panic> W:Failed to fetch cdrom:[Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)]/dists/gutsy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
[08:12] <Colonel_Panic> , W:Failed to fetch cdrom:[Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)]/dists/gutsy/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
[08:12] <Colonel_Panic> , E:Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[08:12] <Colonel_Panic>  
[08:13] <ooglebutte> Colonel_Panic: which version are you upgrading from?
[08:14] <Colonel_Panic> Hardy
[08:14] <\Kira> kpilot isnt finding my palm pad, ive used the command lsusb and I can see it, but kpilot cant use it. I know my sysytem has an issue with automounting, but im not sure what to do. Any help?
[08:14] <Colonel_Panic> I'd originally installed Gutsy, then I upgraded to Hardy
[08:16] <Colonel_Panic> Now I want to upgrade to Intrepid
[08:16] <ooglebutte> Colonel_Panic: seems strange it wants anything gutsy - what is in you're /etc/apt/sources.list file - does it still say gutsy?
[08:16] <Colonel_Panic> one sec
[08:17] <Colonel_Panic> weird... it says: deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)]/ gutsy main restricted
[08:17] <Colonel_Panic> I have a 64-bit machine
[08:17] <Colonel_Panic> Intel
[08:17] <ooglebutte> that'll be why then...
[08:18] <Colonel_Panic> Core2Duo
[08:18] <Colonel_Panic> so what do I need to do?
[08:18] <ooglebutte> to use the 64bit os you need to install the 64bit os - it is a separate os
[08:19] <Colonel_Panic> I have the 64-bit Hardy CD
[08:19] <caizi> hi
[08:19] <ooglebutte> from gutsy you'll have to upgrade through two os's - I would recommend a fresh install
[08:19] <ooglebutte> a separate home partition makes that less painful
[08:20] <ooglebutte> Colonel_Panic: I would recommend using that cd - until a couple of bugs get ironed out in intrepid
[08:21] <Colonel_Panic> it won't mess up anything in my /home directory, or mess up my apps, will it?
[08:22] <Colonel_Panic> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)]/ gutsy main restricted
[08:22] <Colonel_Panic> # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to
[08:22] <Colonel_Panic> # newer versions of the distribution.
[08:22] <Colonel_Panic>  
[08:22] <Colonel_Panic> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy main restricted
[08:22] <Colonel_Panic> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy main restricted
[08:23] <Colonel_Panic> that's in my my sources.list file
[08:23] <ooglebutte> Colonel_Panic: if your home dir isn't on it's own partition it will overwrite it - the alternate cd is ok for an upgrade
[08:23] <ooglebutte> !alternate
[08:24] <ooglebutte> Colonel_Panic: comment out the cd line
[08:24] <Colonel_Panic> uh... ok
[08:24] <ooglebutte> sorry - the new info means you're on hardy and the upgrade might work
[08:25] <ooglebutte> you only mentioned the cd before...
[08:27] <Colonel_Panic> ok I'll retry the upgrade
[08:28] <ooglebutte> luck
[08:29] <Colonel_Panic> should I do this?
[08:29] <Colonel_Panic> what kind of bugs are there/
[08:30] <ooglebutte> Colonel_Panic: some have luck with it - some don't - depends on the h/ware and if you fed the linux gods right
[08:30] <Colonel_Panic> hmmm...
[08:30] <Colonel_Panic> maybe I ought to wait
[08:31] <ooglebutte> Colonel_Panic: nothing wrong with waiting for the 8.10.1 release - nothing wrong with trying now either - your choice
[08:32] <Colonel_Panic> Meh, I think I'll wait
[08:32] <Colonel_Panic> What's so great about Intrepid anyway?
[08:32] <ooglebutte> caizi: if you don't mention a prob you have you might get ignored in support channels - best to start with "this isn't working" or similar
[08:32] <ooglebutte> Colonel_Panic: it's new seems to be the attraction
[08:33] <Colonel_Panic> I could just upgrade to the KDE4 version of Hardy
[08:33] <ooglebutte> that'll work too
[08:33] <Colonel_Panic> what do I need to do to do that?
[08:34] <ooglebutte> Colonel_Panic: never done and don't know how - someone will tell about kde4 on hardy I hope...
[08:38] <Colonel_Panic> hmmm... can I just do a kde upgrade?
[08:41] <ooglebutte> Colonel_Panic: if you ask again in a bit someone that's done should respond - that command prob won't do anything
[08:41] <Colonel_Panic> ok will do
[08:41] <Colonel_Panic> thanks for the help, btw
[08:42] <ooglebutte> sorry I couldn't help more...
[08:46] <besitzer_> hey
[08:46] <Sanny> what's up?
[08:47] <ooglebutte> the price of everything
[08:48] <Sanny> okay..just one question... what kind of chat is it here??
[08:49] <jussi01> Sanny: suppot for Kubuntu
[08:50] <jussi01> Sanny: for general chatter, join #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:50] <Sanny> okay jussi01 please explain it!
[08:50] <Sanny> i#ve got a new pc and i#ve got no idea what to do! :(
[08:51] <jussi01> Sanny: what do you want to do?
[08:52] <Sanny> i've got a connection to kubuntu but I can't get a connection to the other internet!
[08:53] <Sanny> so I can't start my firefox browser
[08:54] <ptl> there's only one internet
[08:54] <ooglebutte> Sanny: what colour is the desktop on your comp?
[08:54] <Sanny> comp?
[08:54] <Sanny> ehm...blue
[08:54] <ooglebutte> computer screen
[08:54] <ooglebutte> k
[08:55] <Sanny> plese awnser later we've got schooö now!! bye
[08:55] <ooglebutte> sure
[08:56] <Sanny> okey thx
[08:57] <ooglebutte> Sanny: when you come back type   lsb_release -a   in konsole please - click the k at bottom left - select system - konsole then type it
[08:59] <favro> ooglebutte: do your homework!
[09:04] <marekt> hi how can i connectvia knetworkmanager to pptp vpn network? there is no such option while adding new connection
[09:04] <marekt> ?
[09:05] <sebr> no sound in 8.10 with phonon?
[09:09] <ooglebutte> sebr: are things turned up in   alsamixer  - run it in konsole
[09:09] <ooglebutte> too late...
[09:09] <ooglebutte> err got to go..
[09:11] <inteliwasp> is there a way to find out why firefox is sucking up just about all my cpu time?
[09:13] <favro> inteliwasp: prob vid card driver - set that up yet?
[09:14] <inteliwasp> er... what video card? jk, i have a ati mobile igm card
[09:14] <inteliwasp> no video drivers
[09:14] <inteliwasp> afaik
[09:14] <favro> !ati
[09:15] <inteliwasp> does that support old cards?
[09:15] <favro> I use the r128 driver that comes with kubuntu for my old card
[09:17] <sebr> how can i stop adept-updater and notifier from starting?
[09:17] <sebr> aside from chmod -x the executables
[09:18] <favro> what does right click on it do?
[09:19] <sebr> favro: asks me to quit, but i don't want it to reappear on log in
[09:19] <favro> sebr: sorry don't know then...
[09:19] <favro> someone will speak up soon
[09:22] <inteliwasp> sebr:  give me a minute i think i have an answer
[09:23] <sebr> cheers
[09:24] <favro> soon was a minute or so then :)
[09:25] <favro> inteliwasp: I have a xorg.conf for the r128 driver I use on dapper if you want a copy?
[09:25] <vasilisa> in kubuntu/ubuntu/etc how do you make your own binary file execute on click? It only runs if i do ./<filename>
[09:25] <inteliwasp> will it work for the mobility u1 card?
[09:26] <vasilisa> i want it to consider its paths relative to its location when you click it
[09:26] <favro> inteliwasp: I've never used the mobility cards
[09:27] <favro> vasilisa: in needs to be in $PATH
[09:27] <favro> I put them in ~/bin
[09:27] <vasilisa> favro: oh i see...
[09:28] <favro> vasilisa: type $PATH in konsole - if your binary isn't in those dirs then it won't work
[09:28] <vasilisa> favro: I see...
[09:29] <favro> vasilisa: in konsole   mkdir ~/bin
[09:29] <favro> then mv -v /path/to/binary ~/bin
[09:29] <favro> then binaryname
[09:29] <vasilisa> so there's no way to make it so i can open the folder anywhere, click the binary and bam, run it?
[09:30] <vasilisa> i wanted to just click the icon >.<
[09:30] <favro> vasilisa: if it needs console to run no
[09:30] <vasilisa> favro: thats just it, i dont want it to need console to run
[09:30] <vasilisa> favro: It should just run...
[09:31] <favro> vasilisa: I'm a long way away - what does the binary do?
[09:31] <vasilisa> favro: Runs the program i made
[09:31] <vasilisa> favro: Its a graphics editor
[09:31] <favro> is it executable? - right click - properties
[09:31] <vasilisa> favro: yes.
[09:32] <vasilisa> favro: When i left click it, it pops up then crashes before displaying anything
[09:32] <vasilisa> favro: but it works with ./alven on the command line.
[09:32] <favro> vasilisa: care to paste the file for a check?
[09:32] <favro> !paste | vasilisa
[09:33] <vasilisa> the file?
[09:33] <vasilisa> its a massive project
[09:33] <favro> ok - don't
[09:34] <vasilisa> i just want to know why i cant left-click and it automatically uses the files in its own directory
[09:34] <vasilisa> it has data files it relies on
[09:34] <favro> if it isn't permissions then it must be something about how it runs
[09:34] <inteliwasp> sebr:  sorry i cant find an easy way to disable it
[09:34] <sebr> okay, np
[09:34] <sebr> chmod -x it is :)
[09:35] <favro> luck sebr
[09:35] <vasilisa> favro: What's happening is that it's trying to find the data files relative to $HOME, instead of its own directory
[09:35] <vasilisa> and i dont know how to make it
[09:35] <robin0800> Is Kde 4.1.3 to make kde work with ubuntu 8.10 or is it nothing to do with this?
[09:36] <favro> vasilisa: when you run a file the default dir is ~/ - can you add absolute path to the executable?
[09:36] <vasilisa> favro: No, i want the path to be wherever the file is
[09:36] <vasilisa> favro: So you can move the directory anywhere and still just left click the binary to execute it
[09:36] <favro> vasilisa: ./file is normally how it is done
[09:37] <vasilisa> -.-
[09:37] <favro> vasilisa: is it a bash script or similar?
[09:37] <vasilisa> favro: its just an executable.
[09:38] <favro> vasilisa: then you are limited to how it is written - I can't change it
[09:38] <vasilisa> ok nm
[09:59] <NightDragon> can anyone here speak german?
[10:00] <favro> !de
[10:00] <favro> folks in there will :)
[10:00] <NightDragon> danke
[10:00] <favro> your welcome
[10:03] <favro> !ping
[10:35] <jhaarman> how to disable 3 button emulation?
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> jhaarman: mouse options or xorg.conf maybe
[10:36] <jhaarman> ActionParsnip: where to find mouse options?
[10:36] <jhaarman> ActionParsnip: the xorg.conf is very minimal on 8.10. I don't have any input sections
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> jhaarman: ahh HAL is dealing with it now, check system settings in kmenu
[10:37] <favro> I thought by the release notes that xorg.conf doesn't handle the mouse anymore? - it doesn't say what does handle it tho
[10:37] <favro> ohh
[10:37] <favro> hal does thnx ActionParsnip :)
[10:39] <jhaarman> ActionParsnip: which icon?
[10:43] <favro> jhaarman: it is a new system - we are all taking time to get used to it - patience is required from us all
[10:43] <jhaarman> favro: yeah. I just try to fix it cause otherwise I can't select stuff properly.
[10:44] <jhaarman> my mouse won't work  properly if I don't disable that
[10:44] <favro> jhaarman: I can give you some entries from an old xorg.conf to try - if you want
[10:45] <favro> no promises it will work tho
[10:45] <jhaarman> I still have my old one.
[10:45] <jhaarman> favro: reading this now: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-931749.html
[10:45] <favro> is it the one being used now?
[10:46] <jhaarman> no
[10:46] <jhaarman> I installed in a new partition. so I still have old setup. (although it broke while trying to upgrade)
[10:46] <jhaarman> (had the wrong version)
[10:47] <marekt>  hi can you tell me how to speed up sftp connection between two PC in the same network? it is only 80 kB, and this isagigabit ethernet
[10:48] <Bandit> hey guys, having a weird problem. just installed 8.10 kubuntu on my dell xps m1530 and it recognizes my wireless network fine, so when i try to configure my connection
[10:48] <Bandit> for my WPA secured network, I enter my password in the shared key line
[10:48] <Bandit> and it tries to connect, and it fails. so i go to edit it again, and my shared key is a big random string of characters
[10:48] <favro> jhaarman: nothing wrong with moving xorg.conf to xorg.conf-old and using the previous one as a test
[10:48] <Bandit> could anyone please help me out?
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> Bandit: have you install the wpa supplicant?
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> !wpa | Bandit
[10:49] <Bandit> is that a package?
[10:49] <Bandit> thanks ActionParsnip and ubottu
[10:49] <Bandit> will read and try to get to work
[10:50] <favro> !bot
[10:50] <Bandit> lol
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> Bandit: wpa is a userspace app, not part of wifi stuffs
[10:51] <Bandit> oh i see
[10:51] <Bandit> also ActionParsnip
[10:52] <Bandit> i have a question. i have an install of kubuntu 8.04 kde 3.5 on this laptop, and I'd like to transfer my settings and everything to my new 8.10 kde 4.1 laptop
[10:52] <Bandit> what would be the best way to do this?
[10:52] <favro> marekt: that might be due to disk write speeds
[10:52] <jhaarman> looks like: xinput set-int-prop 7 "Middle Button Emulation" 8 0 does the trick
[10:52] <jhaarman> but how to set that permanently
[10:53] <Bandit> oh yeah also i just checked and wpasupplicant is already installed
[10:53] <favro> in a script and add to autostart? - but that is a guess jhaarman
[10:53] <Bandit> it's weird.....what happens is i open up knetworkmanager, go to edit connections, and set my password as the shared key. then i click save and connect
[10:54] <jhaarman> favro: must be a better way =)
[10:54] <Bandit> so it tries to connect, and fails. so i try the same thing, but instead of my password being in the 'shared key' field, it's a big random string of characters
[10:54] <favro> jhaarman: these days...
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> Bandit: backup ~/ including all hidden folders, those store MOST settings for apps including email and such
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> Bandit: have you configured wpa?
[10:55] <Bandit> inside of knetworkmanager?
[10:55] <Bandit> i told it to use WPA yes
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> Bandit: you need to configure the installed wpa
[10:55] <Bandit> what?
[10:57] <Bandit> what do you mean ActionParsnip
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> Bandit: you installed wpa, but you need to configure it with your security settings
[10:57] <Bandit> inside of knetworkmanager?
[10:58] <Bandit> well on the network configuration page, it asked me for my 'shared key'
[10:58] <Bandit> that's my password right ActionParsnip?
[10:58] <ActionParsnip> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo
[10:58] <Bandit> i read that
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> you need to populate some files afaik, ive only read stuff, i dont use wpa. too much bother
[10:59] <Bandit> ohh
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> wep + hidden essid + no dhcp + weird network and subnet masking + mac filtering
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> does me fine
[11:00] <Bandit> :)
[11:00] <Bandit> well i think my problem is kde and not WPA
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> Bandit: my subnet only permits 2 ips
[11:00] <Bandit> it never asks me for my password
[11:00] <Bandit> and there's no error message
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> can you ping the router by ip?
[11:00] <Bandit> and when i enter my network key, when i go back it's a big random string
[11:01] <Bandit> whois me
[11:01] <Bandit> i know the router and everything is fine, im on my kde 3.5 laptop now
[11:01] <Bandit> connected wirelessly
[11:01] <Bandit> knetworkmanager has changed a lot since 3.5 to 4.1
[11:02] <jussi01> !ebter
[11:02] <jussi01> !enter
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> Bandit: i just configure /etc/network/interfaces
[11:04] <Bandit> oh
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> Bandit: i only have my work lappy on windows, the rest are stationary desktops, so the config doesnt change
[11:05] <Bandit> oh, yeah mine's a laptop
[11:05] <Bandit> i just wander why
[11:05] <Bandit> my pass key get's skewed
[11:07] <Bandit> do you know of a command to see what wireless card i have
[11:07] <favro> lspci
[11:08] <Bandit> thanks
[11:08] <JackWinter> Bandit: i just got that working yesterday, using wpa
[11:08] <Bandit> how so?
[11:08] <pushax> is there a mondevelopment channel?
[11:08] <JackWinter> yeah when you return the string has changed, but still works.
[11:09] <Bandit> really?
[11:09] <JackWinter> i had loads of problems getting it working, but finally it did.  no idea what i changed..:)
[11:09] <Bandit> it's not working for me
[11:09] <favro> pushax: try #mono - only ten there tho
[11:09] <Bandit> no error messages or anything jackson
[11:09] <Bandit> JackWinter
[11:09] <Bandit> no idea what you did huh?
[11:10] <pushax> favro ok thanks.  I tried searching but it didn't come up with that
[11:10] <pushax> favro: ok thanks.  I tried searching but it didn't come up with that
[11:10] <favro> pushax: as a guesss I typed /j #mono - go figure
[11:10] <pushax> favro: hehehe smarty.   cheers.
[11:11] <JackWinter> Bandit: i changed the router to open wep, and still couldn't log in.  then i turned on the dhcp on the router and could login, after that i changed the encryption to wpa on the router and in knetworkmanager and all of a sudden it worked.
[11:11] <Bandit> hmm.
[11:11] <fernando_> holaaaaaaaaaa
[11:11] <favro> !es
[11:11] <Bandit> i think i might give ndiswrapper a try
[11:12] <Bandit> thanks JackWinter
[11:12] <waylandbill> hello. does anyone use wxPython? I upgraded to intrepid and now it claims wx.aui is not importable
[11:13] <dominik> hi there
[11:14] <JackWinter> just wanted to confirm that the password looks like a long string when you revisit the page.  also that i didn't need to install anything extra.  maybe you need the dhcp to, seemed that it didn't like fixed settings i made.  and maybe one final point was that it seemed not to like me editing the setup, and maybe creating a new script for each try is in order.  sorry i can't be of more help...!  gonna attack it again when i have more time, i also want
[11:14] <JackWinter> to turn off dhcp used a fixed ip, and mac filtering...
[11:14] <dominik> anyone here with a little spare time on their hands?
[11:14] <dominik> maybe someone willing to help a desperate victim of the hardy to intrepid upgrade?
[11:15] <Bandit> yeah thanks for helping JackWinter
[11:15] <waylandbill> !ask
[11:15] <favro> dominik: in support channels it's best to start with "this isn't working" or somethig similar :)
[11:17] <dominik> all right then :)
[11:17] <JackWinter> Bandit: no problem.  you should get it working if the hardware is working.  but it was a lot more fiddly in 8.10 than in 8.04....
[11:17] <favro> dominik: we are here to help but you have to give us something to resolve - no -one will know everything
[11:17] <Bandit> yeah and im dual booting windows on the same machine
[11:17] <Bandit> and the wireless works fine in windows
[11:18] <dominik> This is BAD: upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10, now KDM freezes up whenever i try to log in. see http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3099094.0
[11:18] <JackWinter> so am i, so i knew that the wifi worked, but since it used to work in 8.04 before installing 8.10 i was more certain that it should work :)
[11:18] <dominik> like that? :)
[11:18] <Bandit> yeah...im gonna try ndiswrapper
[11:19] <Bandit> hmmm, it's gonna be a problem with the passkey or WPA
[11:19] <favro> dominik: that is mentioned on kubuntu.org afaik
[11:19] <Bandit> i just connected to a non-secure network
[11:19] <JackWinter> Bandit: no experience with it.  or try an open wep with dhcp and work up from there
[11:20] <JackWinter> Bandit: then i don't think you need ndiswrapper
[11:20] <Bandit> yeah i wonder what's wrong with knetworkmanager
[11:20] <Bandit> or why i cant connect with WPA
[11:20] <favro> !wep
[11:20] <favro> k
[11:21] <JackWinter> Bandit: wish i knew what the problem was with mine, but like i said, i think it might be better to create a new script for each attempt...
[11:21] <Bandit> yeah....
[11:21] <Bandit> maybe it's my connection software
[11:21] <Bandit> do you know of any other programs
[11:21] <Bandit> that let you connect to wifi
[11:21] <waylandbill> using WEP, you may as well go unencrypted.
[11:21] <JackWinter> nope, am using knetworkmanager
[11:22] <dominik> favro: where? are you referring to  (Bug 287488)? i think this is something else
[11:22] <esperegu> which sip client to use on kubuntu?
[11:22] <JackWinter> yeah, i'm using wpa/pke now.  the problem was getting the knetworkmanager going...  was fine in 8.04 but very finicky in 8.10
[11:23] <Bandit> so WPA is working for you? thought you were on WEP
[11:23] <favro> dominik: the kubuntu homepage - it mentions a similar prob
[11:23] <Bandit> wish knetworkmanager would give me an error reason
[11:24] <dominik> favro: the "Can not login after upgrade from Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4 Remix." one? as i said, this is different
[11:24] <JackWinter> i went to wep and dhcp, and started working up from there.    once wep worked i knew that the wifi worked
[11:24] <dominik> favro: my system completely freezes up whereas theirsreturns to the login screen with an error message
[11:24] <Bandit> !wpa
[11:24] <JackWinter> to clarify at the moment i have wpa/pke with dhcp.  would like to tighten that  up a little more though.  will do so when i have some more time.
[11:25] <favro> dominik: fine - it rang a bell so I mentioned it - sorry to speak up - not familiar with your issue - ask again in a bit and someone who knows might speak up
[11:26] <JackWinter> hmm maybe significant, i also updated the firmware in my zyxel router while trying to get this going.
[11:26] <jtisme> has anyone figured out how to have pick and choose individual updated using adept?
[11:27] <jtisme> updated=updates
[11:27] <howtoo> is there any nice svn client for kde which integrates nicely in the context menu's (kinda like tortoiseSVN in windows)
[11:27] <waylandbill> jtisme: I know if you tell apt-get to install that package it will update just that package
[11:27] <weits> hello
[11:28] <dominik> favro: sorry i did not mean to be impolite. it's just that i _really_ need that system to work, like, yesterday
[11:28] <weits> can I ask you something to help solve some problem with my kubuntu laptop?
[11:28] <jtisme> waylandbill, yes i have tried everything in adept to do just one pkg no such thing
[11:28] <cwraig> hi all, how can i add a keyboard shortcut to open the kdemenu
[11:29] <favro> dominik: the joys of using a brand new os - I feel your pain
[11:29] <weits> today I install new fonts and I cannot get the normal font to show
[11:29] <weits> everything is in italic
[11:29] <dominik> weits: ask away and we'll see if we can help you
[11:29] <weits> using kubuntu intrepid
[11:29] <weits> does anybody encounter such a problem?
[11:30] <favro> dominik: you could try   ctrl+alt+F2 - sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop - startkde
[11:31] <esperegu> nobody uses SIP on Kubuntu?
[11:31] <dominik> favro: i already did all the standard stuff. the ctrl+alt+X shortcuts don't work. mouse doesn't move. not even magic sysrq (alt+print+(s,u,b) works
[11:31] <favro> what is sip?
[11:31] <dominik> weits: sorry, never installed custom fonts
[11:31] <dominik> sip is a kind of open voip protocol afaik
[11:32] <esperegu> favro: Session Initialtion Protocal. (the standard for voip)
[11:32] <weits> it is not about custom fonts
[11:32] <dominik> esperegu: used it once, was not very impressed
[11:32] <weits> it does with any fonts
[11:32] <esperegu> I stopped using normal phones years ago
[11:32] <weits> can you please look at your font settings?
[11:32] <esperegu> dominik: it's awesome if you ask me ;-)
[11:33] <weits> I have this problem on two different machines
[11:33] <favro> dominik: ctrl+alt+F2 will take you to a new virtual terminal - if stopping kdm and starting kde from there doesn't work then I don't know what other options you will have...
[11:33] <dominik> esperegu: voice quality was far below that of skype. i think they use a different protocol
[11:33] <esperegu> skype is just playstuff...
[11:34] <esperegu> I have real phone number an sip and hardware phones and stuff
[11:34] <weits> well nobody has problem with fonts in trepid?
[11:34] <dominik> favro: oh i see now what you meant. i can start kde without kdm, it works, but then i get no mouse, and aside from the ctrl+alt+x keys nothing works
[11:34] <esperegu> weits: if u call uself nobody ;-)
[11:35] <weits> esperegu: nobody except me?
[11:35] <dominik> esperegu: if i ever want to sound like a robot on low battery again, i'll go back to sip ;)
[11:35] <dominik> weits: fonts are normal for me
[11:35] <weits> even when you try to chneg it to any other then you are currently using?
[11:35] <esperegu> dominik: that must have been the implementation since a lot of ISP are providing sip as the replacement for normal phones
[11:35] <dominik> weits: if it's not that urgent, try asking that question on the forums
[11:35] <esperegu> dominik: then they only don't know they are using it ;-)
[11:36] <weits> dominik: even when you try to change it to any other then you are currently using?
[11:38] <dominik> weits: as i said, i never tried that and i don't see why i would want to. there are alot more people on the kubuntu forums, someone might be able to help you there
[11:38] <weits> dominik: ok, thank you
[11:38] <weits> bye
[11:39] <dominik> favro: i am going to try using gdm instead
[11:39] <favro> won't matter
[11:40] <dominik> favro: how do you know? got any ideas?
[11:40] <favro> I'm di-inclined to mrespond atm
[11:46] <favro> dominik: I've finished my fried chicken - any *dm will set up an environment then run startkde - startkde from what you said doesn't work so...
[11:47] <dominik> favro: well it works in that it does indeed start kde and doesn't freeze up. only the input devices do  not react
[11:48] <favro> dominik: in a virtual terminal try   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg   it might help and won't make things worse
[11:49] <favro> domthe aim being to get some functions but I don't know if it will work
[11:50] <favro> ok
[11:51] <dominik> favro: sorry, my laptop decided it had to retart the x server for some reason
[11:51] <dominik> favro: oh, the joys of 8.10...
[11:51] <favro> happens to the best of us :)
[11:52] <favro> dominik: I use dapper
[11:52] <dominik> favro: wow
[11:52] <dominik> favro: vintage...
[11:52] <favro> supported 'till next year and I know how to compile
[11:53] <favro> dominik: in a virtual terminal try   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg   it might help and won't make things worse
[11:53] <favro> he's gone again
[11:57] <dominik> favro: and again... -_-
[11:57] <favro> dominik: in a virtual terminal try   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg   it might help and won't make things worse
[11:57] <dominik> favro: tried that already
[11:57] <favro> dominik: ok
[11:58] <favro> dominik: did you do it with kdm stopped?
[11:58] <dominik> favro: but, i have news. i managed to switch to a terminal before the system hung itself this time. and now there's a whole lot of output regarding a segfault of the wifi module.
[11:58] <dominik> favro: which is weird since this was also loaded in safe mode and there was no problem
[11:58] <dominik> favro: yes
[11:58] <favro> I prefer speed and security so don't use wifi
[11:59] <dominik> favro: for stationary pcs i agree
[12:00] <favro> dominik: using safe mode means you change ownership to root for config files afaik
[12:00] <dominik> favro: i thought they were already owned ba root
[12:00] <favro> dominik: ls -la ~/   and look for root mentioned
[12:01] <dominik> favro: well yes, of course the configs in my own home will be owned by me. i was talking about /etc not ~
[12:02] <favro> dominik: what does that command return? - just as a check
[12:02] <favro> measure twice cut once
[12:03] <dominik> favro: can't tell you right now. system froze up again and gives segfault output for acx, although i removed that module from /etc/modules
[12:03] <dominik> favro: any other places that specify which modules to load?
[12:04] <favro> !fsck | dominik
[12:04] <favro>  The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now is the one I'd pay attention to
[12:05] <dominik> favro: why? my fs is clean
[12:05] <dominik> favro: at least it should be
[12:05] <favro> "should" - why the freezes?
[12:06] <dominik> favro: well thats what i am trying to figure out ;) alright, i'll do an fsck
[12:06] <favro>  The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now is the one I'd pay attention to
[12:06] <favro> dominik: I'm a long way away from you're sysstem
[12:07] <favro> *system even
[12:09] <dominik> favro: fsck showed no errors
[12:09] <favro> that was quick
[12:09] <favro> small disk?
[12:09] <dominik> it's not a huge drive and a mostly empty one at that
[12:09] <favro> k
[12:10] <favro> dominik: I'm ignorant on most things - why did you remove asx from /etc/modules?
[12:11] <pritam> how do i remove the second language on my system using shell commands
[12:11] <dominik> acx is my wifi module. when the system freezes, the console shows a stacktrace for the acx module.
[12:11] <favro> pritam: does man locales give a clue?
[12:11] <dominik> favro: so i thought that maybe acx was the problem
[12:11] <pritam> let me check
[12:12] <dominik> favro: but it's still loaded
[12:12] <pritam> no manual entry for locales this is the message i get
[12:12] <dominik> favro: i have added it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist now, maybe that'll do it
[12:12] <favro> dominik: I was gonna ask if lsmod | grep asx returned a result
[12:12] <andybleaden> hi all...any idea how I would disable the "Detecting RANDR (monitor) changes as I am tryin gto load up kde4.1 and can only do it in safe graphics mode
[12:12] <christian_> hi
[12:13] <favro> dominik: that'll need a reboot
[12:13] <favro> christian_: hello
[12:13] <dominik> favro: i know. in safe mode, lsmod | grep acx shows the acx module loaded and for some reason used by usbcore although it's a pci card
[12:14] <pritam> half of the things like in webpages show up in regional languages
[12:14] <pritam> however, this second language does not show up in the systems menu
[12:16] <favro> dominik: try depmod -r asx
[12:16] <favro> sudo would be handy there
[12:16] <dominik> favro: blacklisted acx let's me log in :)
[12:16] <favro> k
[12:17] <dominik> only now i don't have network access... =/
[12:17] <favro> dominik: so you're ok?
[12:17] <favro> k
[12:18] <dominik> favro: well, almost :) but i should be able to muddle through this somehow
[12:18] <dominik> favro: thanks for your help :)
[12:18] <favro> np - sorry I couldn't help more
[12:18] <favro> pritwhat did locales return?
[12:19] <favro> well he's gone
[12:19] <andybleaden> hi all...any idea how I would disable the "Detecting RANDR (monitor) changes as I am tryin gto load up kde4.1 and can only do it in safe graphics mode?
[12:28] <favro> andybleaden: where does that error show please?
[12:30] <andybleaden> favro:     Oh hi...what happens is when I try to load the live cd for II 8:10 kde4.1..it will not detect my graphics card and so I get no display. I have an integrated Intel Graphic Chip.  There seems to be issues with Intel GMA chips so i was told to disable Detecting RANDR (monitor) changes..that any help
[12:31] <favro> andybleaden: any chance you know the chip version to help a google search?
[12:32] <andybleaden> favro: oh eck...how do i find that?..can I run a command in konsole
[12:32] <favro> I would suggest   lspci | grep VGA   but wow try that
[12:33] <andybleaden> favro: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV610 video device [Radeon HD 2400 PRO]
[12:33] <favro> lets see what we can find :)
[12:37] <andybleaden> favro: does that mean it is not an intel then?  sorry not so bad at kubuntu but when it gets to hardware I am less than useless ;)
[12:38] <favro> andybleaden: yep it is ati - found this for hardy - http://www.unix.com/linux/65694-graphics-drivers.html
[12:39] <koke_kola> Does any one know why i cant open a link in a new tab in konqueror by pressing "ctrl+ click". I have just upgraded to Intrepid.
[12:39] <favro> the first few google results seem to be bugs...
[12:41] <andybleaden> favro: hmm will have a look at that...not that I want to be buying new graphics cards...just bought this pc from new...should I go to the ubuntu guide at the bottom?
[12:41] <favro> andybleaden: that would be the best bet imo
[12:41] <andybleaden> favro:  cheers matey
[12:41] <koke_kola> seems to be a kde 4.1 issue?
[12:42] <favro> koke_kola: I don't use konq sorry
[12:44] <johannes_> hello everyone!
[12:44] <johannes_> need help regarding my sound card: hercules dj console mk2! can anyone please help?
[12:45] <favro> !sound | johannes_
[12:45] <favro> johannes_: that's the first port of call
[12:46] <koke_kola> really need help with konqueror :(
[12:46] <johannes_> you mean #sound? i will try to ensure arts. i am new to ubuntu and kde 4. i thougt arts would be replaced by phonon in kde4? and i really don't think i will use arts since i use jack
[12:47] <favro> anyone else that thinks kubuntu looks good in blue is free to speak up and help koke_kola
[12:47] <johannes_> there is no #sound! favro
[12:48] <cuznt> What is wrong with blue?
[12:48] <aLeSD> hi all ... kubuntu uses more resources than ubuntu ?
[12:48] <favro> johannes_: ubottu gave some hints
[12:48] <cuznt> koke state your problem and if anyone knows it we will answer
[12:48] <aLeSD> I mean I have a centrino 1.7
[12:48] <aLeSD> the first one
[12:48] <koke_kola> ok il repeat my question
[12:48] <cuznt> ok
[12:48] <koke_kola> Does any one know why i cant open a link in a new tab in konqueror by pressing "ctrl+ click". I have just upgraded to Intrepid. kde 4.1
[12:49] <favro> johannes_: if they don't work in konsole type   alsamixer   and turn all up
[12:49] <cuznt> did you read the faq for konquer?
[12:49] <johannes_> ubottu - i think i don't need arts. is there any manual concerning alsa/jack/ubuntu?
[12:49] <cuznt> !konqueror
[12:49] <koke_kola> no just tried google
[12:49] <cuznt> why use konqueror
[12:50] <cuznt> why not use epiphany or firefox
[12:50] <cuznt> or seamonkey
[12:50] <favro> koke_kola: keyboard control of konq is the issue yes?
[12:50] <Daviey> or w3m
[12:50] <cuznt> w3m?
[12:50] <cuznt> what the eff is that
[12:50] <favro> !w3m
[12:50] <Daviey> cuznt:
[12:51] <Daviey> w3m - WWW browsable pager with excellent tables/frames support
[12:51] <koke_kola> cuznt: i prefer konqueror. favro: yea, before on hardy i could press ctrl and click on a link to open it in a new tab. this doesnt work any more after my upgrade to intrepid
[12:52] <jussi01> koke_kola: it used to be middle click did that, does that not work anymore?
[12:52] <favro> koke_kola: try a middle click - press the scroll wheel
[12:52] <johannes_> favro - the strange thing is it only shows the mic input, not the sound output channels in kmix/arts ... anyway. maybe this is the problem: alsamixergui shows the motherboard nvidia soundcard as soundcard which i don't use at all
[12:53] <koke_kola> nope. still opens it in a new window
[12:53] <johannes_> favro: little bit embarrassing. how can i ensure that my libusb/libdjconsole djconsole mk2 external soundcard is used by alsa?
[12:53] <favro> johannes_: does the right click on kmix give a chance to select the device?
[12:54] <cuznt> johannes is the sound turned off on the motherboard in bios?
[12:54] <favro> koke_kola: I use firefox so I'm less then useless here sorry
[12:54] <johannes_> favro one can only select the microphone input and adjust its volume level. nothing about the outputs, no pcm level whatsoever
[12:54] <jussi01> koke_kola: konquror -> settings -> configure konqueror
[12:54] <favro> thnx jussi01
[12:54] <koke_kola> lol. no prob favro.. i use firefox as well but for this instance i wana try use konq rather
[12:55] <johannes_> cuznt: no, but i didn't ever use it anyway
[12:55] <koke_kola> jussi: iv tried that.. cant find any setting that helps in my case
[12:55] <cuznt> i must turn mine off to get my other sound card to work
[12:55] <cuznt> supposed to be able to use both but i can not
[12:55] <zeno> Whenever i start ktorrent kde4 about 200 kio_file processes are spawned
[12:56] <waylandbill> enabling desktop effects caused a black screen and nothing else. How do I disable them from a command prompt?
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> waylandbill: nano ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> search for a [compositing] section
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> set enabled=false
[12:59] <waylandbill> JontheEchidna: thanks
[13:01] <vasilisa> if im creating a make file, how do you set up make install for linux? :/ i tried /usr/bin for my executable and data in /usr/share ... but it couldnt find it
[13:13] <johannes_> what's the problem if amaarok states: no decoder available?
[13:15] <favro> johannes_: have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[13:16] <_MarcoPau_> hello, since my last upgrade in which I installed kernel 2.6.24-21 alsa hasn't been working any more. seems there are no alsa modules, in fact in the repositories I can only find those for 2.6.24-18. do you have any hint?
[13:16] <johannes_> favro: no
[13:16] <favro> always a good start johannes_
[13:17] <johannes_> favro .. thx
[13:18] <favro> johannes_: it might just be a start...
[13:18] <qw> im tring to use kde4 for school hwork but some commands dont work from the book. do u know a  kde handbook i could get to
[13:19] <esperegu> anyone knows how I can have the main panel on my secondairy monitor. (but only if it's on and connected)
[13:21] <benoitstandre> hello everyone. Does anybody knows what is supposed to have replaced Kaudiocreator in 8.10/KDE4 ?
[13:22] <benoitstandre> I'm inserting an audioCD and nothing happens, it was working flawlessly in Hardy
[13:30] <cuznt> k3b is what i use to make audio cds
[13:32] <favro> benoitstandre: have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[13:34] <benoitstandre> favro: no, I just upgraded from Kubuntu 8.04
[13:35] <benoitstandre> cuznt: I'm talking about ripping from CDs, not creating some
[13:35] <benoitstandre> is kubuntu-restricted-extras supposed to be installed by default ?
[13:36] <favro> it is restricted so of course it isn't
[13:37] <favro> it is in universe I think
[13:37] <favro> !repos
[13:37] <favro> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras
[13:37] <favro> multiverse it is in
[13:38] <favro> everyone ^^
[13:41] <benoitstandre> looking at that package, I see that it's not related to what I am talking about
[13:42] <PolitikerALT> Hello everyone, I got a problem with Xorg/8.10: It is using very much CPU power - about 10 per cent which is more than every other program running on my notebook (top said this)
[13:42] <benoitstandre> I'm looking for the ripping program that is replacing Kaudiocreator
[13:42] <PolitikerNEU> Hello everyone, I got a problem with Xorg/8.10: It is using very much CPU power - about 10 per cent which is more than every other program running on my notebook (top said this)
[13:42] <benoitstandre> you can rip audiocd without having to use any of those proprietary restricted extensions (I do rip my audio files as ogg vorbis)
[13:43] <dam> hello everyone i nedd
[13:43] <dam> copying the
[13:43] <dam> skype binary to /usr/bin
[13:43] <dam> sorry
[13:43] <favro> dam: what is your native language?
[13:44] <esperegu> favro: what's the best way to get a list of icons to launch for example ssh connections or mounts in kde4 ?
[13:44] <dam> I need to copy a skype binary to /usr/bin how do i do this (what i said above was a mismanipulation of mine sorry)
[13:44] <favro> !rip | benoitstandre
[13:45] <favro> esperegu: I'm just a user like you - never done that at all sorry
[13:45] <dam> favro: I need to copy a skype binary to /usr/bin how do i do this?? (what i said above was a mismanipulation of mine sorry)
[13:46] <esperegu> anybody?
[13:46] <favro> esperegu: you could try locate *.png
[13:46] <PolitikerALT> sudo cp [Path of the skype binarie] /usr/bin
[13:46] <PolitikerALT> but there should be an installer for skype
[13:46] <PolitikerALT> A deb-package, I mean
[13:47] <favro> dam: cp -v /path/to/file /path/to/wher/you/want/it
[13:47] <favro> dam: use sudo
[13:47] <favro> !skype
[13:47] <dam> thank you
[13:49] <favro> jussi01: I'm missing flaccid
[13:51] <favro> PolitikerALT: have you installed your drivers for the card?
[13:51] <White_Pelican> hi all, I just found out kde 4.1.3 is now available. will it be available in hardy?
[13:52] <favro> in time I'm sure it will be
[13:52] <kalorin> does anyone have any experience with the 64bit vs. 32bit distributions?
[13:52] <White_Pelican> define in time favro :)
[13:52] <kalorin> I've got a friend that had a really hard time with the 64bit version for 7.4 so I'm a little hesitant to go to 8.10 64bit
[13:53] <PolitikerALT> Imho as long as you don't have > 3 GB Ram, there's no need for 64 bit
[13:53] <kalorin> I have 4gb
[13:53] <favro> I know the 64bit is "nearly" there with integration with apps = give it a little while kalorin
[13:53] <kalorin> but that said, I'm not hurting for memory or anything at this point
[13:53] <kalorin> favro, that's what I was looking for, I'll wait til 9.10 or something
[13:53] <kalorin> thanks
[13:54] <PolitikerALT> 64bit is working fine for me since 8.04
[13:54] <favro> np
[13:54] <PolitikerALT> Before that, I had no 64bit PC at home - so it is usable IMHO
[13:55] <favro> 64bit is usable - as an example
[13:55] <favro> !flash64
[13:55] <favro> just takes extra effort
[13:57] <favro> White_Pelican: you confuse me with someone in the know..
[13:58] <White_Pelican> point taken :)
[13:59] <favro> White_Pelican: I'm just an end user like you
[13:59] <White_Pelican> np
[14:01] <favro> PolitikerALT: what is the vid card you're using?
[14:04] <VinciWu> I have a question, that after i upgrade to kde4.1.3 the system shows lots of package to removable. Most of are developement package, i don't know if i can remove them, because i have been terminated upgrade by the package 'libpim5' hadn't release.
[14:04] <VinciWu> but when it released i completed upgrade
[14:05] <VinciWu> and now there are lots of packages been put in auto removable in synaptic
[14:06] <VinciWu> Is it safe i remove those packages?
[14:06] <favro> I would trust it butI give no promises
[14:07] <PolitikerALT> favro: sry, Nvidia video chip
[14:08] <favro> PolitikerALT: if it is an old card you should read the release notes - newer cards should be fine
[14:08] <Fermio91> ciao a tutti
[14:08] <pushax> Which Mono package should I pick to install?  On the Mono page it doesn't have ubunut.  would Suse version be ok for 2.0.1?
[14:08] <Fermio91> ops, sorry
[14:08] <pushax> http://www.go-mono.com/mono-downloads/download.html
[14:08] <PolitikerALT> Its a Geforce 5, this should be recent enogh, I think - at least envy-ng suggests me to install the 173-driver
[14:09] <VinciWu> the packages are as like 'cvs, automoc, libkadm55, and lots of dev packages'
[14:09] <favro> PolitikerALT: if you use envy you are on your own
[14:09] <favro> !envyng
[14:10] <favro> VinciWu: trust the package manager is all I can recommend
[14:10] <benoitstandre> general info: It seems K3b is able to extract / rip audio files from CD. It works well. But, there is no auto-detection of the insertion of an audio cd like there was under Hardy.
[14:11] <PolitikerALT> nvidia-glx-173 (the package) is installed too
[14:11] <VinciWu> favro: okay, i'll remove them. Wish me luck....
[14:12] <favro> lots of things aren't like hardy - give it a chance to catch up - it is a new release
[14:12] <favro> luck VinciWu
[14:16] <benoitstandre> favro: I mean, this is a stable release no ? Those things are called regressions, things that were working before and are not working after. :-(
[14:17] <sevenseeker> benoitstandre: indeed, I am wondering about the testing and if there are test cases (looking on launchpad now) that can be automated to help with regression testing... like bluetooth for example :) (ok, just kiding)
[14:18] <favro> benoitstandre: it is the release after a lts - it has some experimental aspects afaik - if youwant stability stick to the lts for now - the next version i.e. 8.10.1 will have fixes
[14:18]  * stdin get's a popup from the "New Device Notifier" when he enters an audio CD
[14:19] <stdin> favro: non LTS's don't have point releases
[14:19] <favro> afaik - I'm like you folk - poor sucker on the end - who else is answering?
[14:21] <favro> I miss flaccid
[14:25] <benoitstandre> favro: I understand , I'm know what problems distributions are facing. I'm just wondering if Kubuntu 8.10 is a usable release for "normal" people
[14:25] <favro> ask stdin
[14:26] <stdin> I use it, but you just have to decide if I'm "normal" ;)
[14:26] <benoitstandre> hehehe
[14:27] <benoitstandre> I mean, just having "normal" things like putting a CD in and having it read by the computer for example. Without having to go command line or knowing what to type in konqueror (which is not by default anyway)
[14:27] <stdin> well I get's a popup from the "New Device Notifier" when I enter an audio CD, so yeah
[14:28] <benoitstandre> stdin: ha, that's great. So that may be a hardware issue
[14:28] <stdin> do you have a little "computer" icon on the panel, near the clock?
[14:28] <benoitstandre> the device thing ?
[14:29] <stdin> yeah, if that's not displaying then it's either hardware, HAL or DBus
[14:29] <stdin> or the kernel itself
[14:29] <benoitstandre> stdin: not displaying. It works with usb keys though
[14:29] <White_Pelican> hal has issues
[14:29] <White_Pelican> I speak from experience
[14:30] <stdin> maybe check if you're in the "cdrom" group, though I don't think that would matter
[14:30] <David0287> I just installed kubuntu 8.10 and there is sound when I shut down but I cant hear anything in amarok or youtube or anything like that. Can someone help?
[14:31] <PolitikerALT> Have you enabled the sound? I have heard of a bug that the shut-down sound isn't disabled if other sounds are disabled
[14:31] <David0287> how do I do that?
[14:32] <PolitikerALT> kmix
[14:33] <benoitstandre> stdin: I am already in cdrom group. Like I said, it was working before the upgrade :)
[14:34] <David0287> I dont see anything like enable sound in kmix, just mute. Its not muted.
[14:34] <favro> David0287: in konsole type   alsamixer   and turn all up
[14:34] <benoitstandre> stdin: I'll check, maybe it's an issue with my docking station (IBM thinkpad X41)
[14:34] <deekay> hi guys
[14:34] <deekay> hey, is there anyone willing to help me set up my wacom tablet pc for kubuntu 8.10 with kde4 ?
[14:36] <deekay> no one ?
[14:36] <favro> deekay: what is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf   about it?
[14:37] <favro> deekay: that is the path to a file
[14:37] <deekay> just a second
[14:37] <favro> k
[14:38] <deekay> should i just paste it in here ?
[14:38] <David0287> its all turned up
[14:38] <deekay> the content of xorg.conf ?
[14:39] <bazhang> !paste
[14:39] <VinciWu> It's seems be more quickly in KDE4.1.3
[14:39] <deekay> sorry my first time on kubuntu and this irc so :D
[14:40] <deekay> http://paste.ubuntu.com/68382/
[14:40] <deekay> there it is
[14:40] <deekay> i downloaded the drivers from linux wacom project
[14:41] <fulat2k> hi folks, why do i get the error "KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/ktorrent'." whenever i run ktorrent?
[14:41] <deekay> installed the beta driver because its compatible with kernel 2.6.27-7
[14:42] <deekay> i read through different guides for setting up the xiorg.conf and the only thing i changed was /dev/input/wacom to /dev/input/event0 because theres no wacom folder in /dev/input
[14:42] <deekay> em xorg.conf not xiorg.conf sorry
[14:43] <favro> who knows...
[14:44] <deekay> so could anyone help me setting up my tablet ?
[14:44] <deekay> u just cant get it to work
[14:44] <David0287> audio fixed, pcm was down
[14:45] <deekay> any ideas favro ?
[14:45] <favro> David0287: happy for you'
[14:46] <favro> deekay: I'm just an end user like you and sorry I don't use wacom
[14:46] <deekay> well
[14:46] <deekay> just though
[14:46] <deekay> t
[14:46] <deekay> thanks anyway
[14:47] <favro> deekay: try giving stdin a poke
[14:50] <Kalidarn> hey is there someone around that wants to test something for me
[14:51] <Kalidarn> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167767
[14:51] <Kalidarn> does that bug still exist in the kubuntu distribution of KDE?
[14:51] <favro> !bugs
[14:51] <Kalidarn> favro, real helpful......
[14:51] <Kalidarn> i am not a kubuntu user
[14:52] <Kalidarn> i want to know if the bug exists in kubuntu, and if you guys are patching it with a patch from svn trunk
[14:52] <favro> wrong channel then Kalidarn
[14:52] <Kalidarn> according to a kubuntu user in that bug, it doesn't happen in kubuntu... so this means its been patched
[14:52] <Kalidarn> favro, no it isn't the wrong channel.
[14:53] <favro> Kalidarn: I don't care then
[14:53] <Kalidarn> i want to know what svn patch is being used from the trunk... that is fixing it in the kubuntu distribution
[14:53] <Kalidarn> or where i might find out such information
[14:53] <favro> Kalidarn: ask someone that's not just an end user
[14:53] <Kalidarn> kk does kubuntu have a dev chan?
[14:54] <favro> #ubuntu-devel might help
[14:54] <Kalidarn> thx.
[14:54] <favro> np
[15:11] <favro> "if you build it they will come" doesn't work in linux - it is not intuitive - "support the person using the app and they will bring a freind" mostly works using history as a barometer seems to be true - smart people can't grab hold of such a basic concept
[15:15] <patto> Hi
[15:15] <emilsedgh> hehe, the only thing that works in FOSS is 'scratch your own itches, there might be some other people intrested too' :P
[15:15] <favro> !hi
[15:16] <Pici> !ot
[15:16] <patto> I want to add users to my desktop whera I can do this i couldnt find the old addusers tag
[15:16] <favro> reflexes like a slow moving train
[15:17] <favro> !adddusers
[15:17] <patto> ok
[15:18] <patto> anybody knows the name of kubuntu chat in spanish?
[15:18] <favro> patto: is this through vnc or similar?
[15:18] <favro> !es
[15:19] <patto> sorry favro i dont understand the question
[15:19] <favro> patto: I was asking about how you wanted to connect?
[15:20] <favro> I thought it was from diff comps
[15:21] <patto> IRC tks by i got it know
[15:21] <patto> now
[15:22] <patto> But i have another big problem my monitor is randomly turn on and off as it change the freq rate ranmdomly how can i fix?
[15:25] <patto> #ubunut-es
[15:25] <favro> patto: it shouldn't do that - is there a clue in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:26] <patto> okk tks ill check it
[15:26] <patto> worst when i am here itr changes after each letter typed
[15:26] <favro> no need to thank me 'till we find the issue
[15:27] <W8TAH> could someone check http://pastebin.ca/1246938 and tell me what i need to fix/install to build this plasmmoid?
[15:28] <Sokal-EC> i keep trying to apt-get gyachi but it says not found is it another name?
[15:31] <Sokal-EC> anyone know?
[15:32] <W8TAH> could someone check http://pastebin.ca/1246938 and tell me what i need to fix/install to build this plasmmoid?
[15:32] <favro> !info gyachi
[15:33] <Sokal-EC> ahh
[15:33] <Sokal-EC> is there another yahoo client for ibex that has rooms?
[15:34] <W8TAH> i use pidgin or carrier on yahoo
[15:34] <Sokal-EC> does pidgin support voice chat?
[15:34] <favro> there might be a deb for it - I don't know the app myself to but getdeb is a good reort for things
[15:34] <W8TAH> Sokal-EC, no
[15:35] <Sokal-EC> ok
[15:36] <Sokal-EC> intrepid is a bit buggy still but overall I enjoy it
[15:37] <Sokal-EC> are there any games you can recomend?
[15:37] <favro> it's more kde4 is still young afaik
[15:38] <favro> !games
[15:38] <W8TAH> Sokal-EC, not particularly
[15:38] <favro> wine has a data base for supported games
[15:39] <lunamo> sorry the version kubuntu 8.04.1 whit kde4 habe also kde3?
[15:39] <favro> !appdb
[15:39] <Sokal-EC> winblows
[15:39] <Sokal-EC> lol
[15:39] <favro> !lol
[15:40] <favro> my pet peve sorry folks
[15:40] <W8TAH> favro, u have experience building on kubuntu 8.10?
[15:41] <favro> W8TAH: I build packages but for myself not kubuntu
[15:41] <jussi01> W8TAH: what are you trying to do?
[15:42] <W8TAH> i got updated source code for the weather plasmoid from kdelook.org - -it had an error and i contacted the developer - -he fixed it for me and sent me the source
[15:42] <W8TAH> im trying to build it
[15:42] <W8TAH> http://pastebin.ca/1246938
[15:42] <favro> jussi01: one for you
[15:42] <W8TAH> thats the result i get and i dont know whats wrong
[15:42] <W8TAH> ive got build essential installed
[15:43] <lunamo> Hallo... sorry can you help me? the kubuntu 8.04.1 whit kde4 have also kde3?
[15:43] <jussi01> have you got cmake installed?
[15:43] <W8TAH> jussi01, yes
[15:44] <jussi01> W8TAH: got kdelibs5-dev installed?
[15:44] <W8TAH> dunno -- lemme check
[15:44] <W8TAH> nope -- its installing now
[15:45] <W8TAH> just curious why arent those 2 part of build essential
[15:45] <jussi01> W8TAH: because they are not essentials for building...
[15:45] <W8TAH> o
[15:45] <favro> thnks jussi01
[15:46] <jussi01> W8TAH: does it work now?
[15:46] <W8TAH> well.. i got past that erro -- got a new one now
[15:46] <jussi01> ok, pastebin it
[15:47] <W8TAH> http://pastebin.ca/1246955
[15:47] <W8TAH> there ya go
[15:47] <Sokal-EC> can anyohard drive?ne suggest something to rip DVDs to my
[15:47] <Sokal-EC> aarg
[15:47] <W8TAH> k3b
[15:47] <Sokal-EC> any suggestions how to rip dvds to my hard drive
[15:47] <W8TAH> oh wait - thats cds my bad
[15:47] <patto> favro the log seems to be ok
[15:48] <jussi01> !info dvdrip
[15:48] <favro> patto: it's been a while - what were we doing?
[15:48] <W8TAH> jussi01, i have to go teach -- i'll be back in about an hour - - thanks for the assist
[15:49] <jussi01> W8TAH: I may  not be around, ask later tho
[15:49] <patto> blinkin g monitor
[15:49] <favro> send the log patto
[15:49] <favro> in pm
[15:50] <thunderstorm> hello everywhere
[15:51] <thunderstorm> i have a question - i'm using Kubuntu 8.10 Intrepid and want to install KDE 4.1.3 update
[15:51] <thunderstorm> i put this in my /etc/apt/sources.list:  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubunt
[15:52] <thunderstorm> sry  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main
[15:52] <favro> patto: dcc  isn't pm hehe
[15:52] <thunderstorm> but - after a apt-get update and apt-get upgrade i don't receive any updates
[15:52] <thunderstorm> what's going wrong?
[15:52] <Sokal-EC> will kaffeine rip my cds?
[15:53] <Hosein-mec> thunderstorm: only enable Unsupported Updates from Adept , update package list & upgrade ... !
[15:53] <thunderstorm> thats all? i don't need the ppa?
[15:53] <favro> things i do for the *buntus
[15:54] <Hosein-mec> thunderstorm:  thats all ! dont need to do anything
[15:54] <thunderstorm> you the best :-) thank you :-)
[15:54] <Hosein-mec> thunderstorm: delete this from repo : deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main
[15:57] <thunderstorm> Hosein-mec: i'm sorry - but it don't work :-(
[15:59] <Hosein-mec> thunderstorm: it must be work ! i did via this way some minutes ago
[15:59] <Koordin> hi, i have a probleme with codeblocks : http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotux9.png
[15:59] <thunderstorm> mom - can the server be a problem?
[16:00] <thunderstorm> i'm using a diffent-server
[16:00] <Hosein-mec> thunderstorm: yes , change server to United States for example
[16:02] <Koordin> any idea ?
[16:04] <Hosein-mec> thunderstorm: ?
[16:04] <thunderstorm> Hosein-mec: one second please ;-) what repo i have to enable? intrepid-backports or intrepid-proposed ?
[16:05] <_2> Koordin what kind of problem ?
[16:05] <Hosein-mec> thunderstorm:  intrepid-backports = Unsupported Updates
[16:06] <thunderstorm> ok, wait a second, i will try the official servers
[16:06] <Koordin> _2: i think that i solved it but all were on the right and i had no idea of to move it on the center
[16:06] <Surge_> Is it possible to install 8.10 from hard disk? I did it with 8.04 by adding a boot entry to grub but it doesn't seem to work with 8.10.
[16:06] <Koordin> as shown in the screenshot
[16:06] <thunderstorm> the german-server dont have any updates - i will try the ubuntu-server
[16:09] <thunderstorm> yes, now it will work
[16:09] <thunderstorm> thank you very much!
[16:09] <Hosein-mec> thunderstorm: :)
[16:10] <thunderstorm> hm, he will upgrade the kernel - its ok?
[16:11] <Hosein-mec> thunderstorm: will upgrade if Important Security Updates selected ...
[16:11] <thunderstorm> yes, but the kernel-update come's from the backports
[16:12] <_2> "the kernel-update come's from the backports"  yuch!
[16:12] <thunderstorm> xD
[16:12] <thunderstorm> ok ok - i understand ;-)
[16:14] <thunderstorm> i will do a reboot :-) no risk, no fun - see you ;-)
[16:14] <favro> the backports are there for a reason - if it suits your needs..
[16:15] <_2> favro but updating a kernel from backports will preclude security updates to the kernel  (most likely)
[16:16] <Hosein-mec> When i update package list via Adept or apt-get update command , downloads whole of package list , not only changes of list ! anyone have this problem ?
[16:17] <_2> Hosein-mec yes.  problem has existed sense warty
[16:18] <favro> _2: I have faith that the backports folk aren't so dumb - personal opinion tho
[16:18] <Hosein-mec> _2: any solution ?
[16:19] <_2> favro to misquote a #kubuntu helper of long standing, "never assume ignorance for what malice can explain"
[16:19] <_2> Hosein-mec no.   sorry.
[16:22] <favro> _2 religion is based on "when common sense and everything else tells you it is wrong it is faith that holds you to the true path"
[16:22] <_2> lol    glad i'm not religious then.
[16:22] <genii> I prefer Occa<l3tr4ngl3ur> kan c kon me quicked
[16:23] <genii> Bah
[16:23] <favro> I don't know what that means tho
[16:23] <genii> :)
[16:23] <genii> Occams Razor
[16:23] <kbusr> Is this the right channel to ask on kubuntu issues?
[16:24] <favro> !kubuntu
[16:24] <_2> usually kbusr
[16:26] <ubuntu> .
[16:26] <_2> kbusr you have an issue ?
[16:27] <DarkKnight> b4 without using KDE i could log in as root...i changed the settings....but now...i just dont remb how i can do it...
[16:27] <jack-spratt> .
[16:28] <_2> DarkKnight you say you "could log in as root" graphical? console? other?
[16:28] <DarkKnight> _2, graphical
[16:28] <_2> !sudo > DarkKnight
[16:28] <_2> DarkKnight using gdm? kdm? xdm?
[16:29] <DarkKnight> _2...i want 2 login 2 the desktop of root....
[16:29] <_2> DarkKnight using gdm? kdm? xdm?
[16:29] <genii> "Recovery Kernel" boot ?
[16:30] <_2> genii that's not login   but that may be the desired end
[16:30] <DarkKnight> _2, kdm
[16:30] <_2> DarkKnight just a sec.
[16:31] <LeeJunFan> anyone know of an app in the repos that will extract a font from a pdf? I see a lot of windows utils for it online.
[16:33] <genii> LeeJunFan: You mean the text part of the pdf? Or to grab and use the font type they have in the document ofr use elsewhere?
[16:33] <_2> DarkKnight with kde3 the file   /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc  contains the settings that allow/forbid root login,   there is a gui methood of selecting those options in kcontrol     i'm not sure about kde4.
[16:33] <LeeJunFan> genii: to extract an actual used font out of the pdf.
[16:34] <LeeJunFan> to use elsewhere.
[16:35] <DarkKnight> _2 I just installed kde-desktop....so do i have 2 remove it now
[16:35] <_2> DarkKnight it is not 'ubuntu policy' to instruct people on how to enable the root account.    i'm not part of the ubuntu team.   if you already have been logging into root   then you surely know that a root password must be set first.
[16:35] <kbusr> _2 Yesterday I downloaded kubuntu 8.1 alternate iso and mounted it as a drive. Then I added the source with apt-cdrom and then changed hardy for Intrepid in sources.lst then I did apt-get update and dist-upgrade
[16:35] <LeeJunFan> genii: looks like xpdf can do it.
[16:36] <_2> DarkKnight not at all.  just adjust the settings to what you want.
[16:36] <kbusr> _2 after a system reboot X does not start.
[16:36] <DarkKnight> _2 ya i set it.....but then...it restricts root login....but i need 2 login into this
[16:36] <jack-spratt> im about to install kubuntu 8.10 w/kde4. i need to be sure im going to format the right hdd, so is there a partition viewer or manager, or general hardware viewer like in old kde that will allow me to check sizes, mount points etc?
[16:36] <jack-spratt> the installer doiesnt give enough info for my liking and i need to be sure
[16:37] <genii> LeeJunFan: fontforge also can :)
[16:37] <dr_willis> jack-spratt,  sudo fdisk -l  will show a lot of info
[16:37] <_2> DarkKnight what exactly do you need to run as root ?    you could try  kdesudo app_name_here
[16:37] <LeeJunFan> genii: hehe, I was just apt-getting that as you entered it.
[16:37] <jack-spratt> dr_willis: thanks, will do!
[16:38] <_2> kbusr maybe.   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[16:39] <LeeJunFan> genii: yeah, that'll work nicely - thanks.
[16:40] <jack-spratt> is there no ovwerview of drives and sizes in kubuntu anymore then?
[16:40] <jack-spratt> gui I mean
[16:41] <jack-spratt> dolphin doesnt seem to give any details other than contents
[16:41] <joeking00> hello
[16:41] <_2> dr_willis & jack-spratt you might like the output of:   sudo lshw -C volume -C disk
[16:41] <jack-spratt> (also I mean pre installed as im running livecd
[16:42] <genii> LeeJunFan: np
[16:42] <Koordin> what is the default mounter used by dolphin to mount the windows partition ?
[16:42] <jack-spratt> _2: ok ill try that. fdisk -l didnt give the sizes in any type of byte as far as i can see
[16:42] <jack-spratt> only in blocks
[16:43] <_2> jack-spratt lshw should show it as   capacity:#
[16:45] <Koordin> what is the default mounter used by dolphin to mount the windows partition ? i can't mount anymore
[16:46] <_2> !repete
[16:46] <Koordin> sorry
[16:47] <kbusr> _2 first I know a problem related to the nvidia driver. I seems that the installed driver didn't work with the kernel. So I downloaded the driver directly from nvidia. If I do a startx all modules start.
[16:47] <_2> dolphin is "probably" using an kio-slave for that.   more of a raw access than actual mount Koordin,  but i don't know.
[16:48] <jack-spratt> 2_: yes thats very detailed and helpful. however it doesnt seem to list mount points, only /dev/ identifiers, so how can I check the contents of an HDD and match it to the lshw output? (you see I have several HDDs of the same size so I'm having trouble distinguising one from the other)
[16:48] <ubuntu-dron> good evening
[16:48] <jack-spratt> good evening
[16:49] <_2> jack-spratt mount will list mountpoints if things are mounted
[16:49] <ubuntu-dron> how do I put KHTML as deafult view type in konqueror?
[16:49] <_2> jack-spratt also   df
[16:51] <_2> kbusr lets see.  1. you installed nv driver from nv site?  2. you updated the kernel?  3. when booting to the new kernel the old install of the propritary nv driver doesn't work right?    is that where we stand ?
[16:51] <jack-spratt> _2: aha, with all that data i should be able to figure it out. jus a tick
[16:51] <jack-spratt> _2: thank you :)
[16:54] <kbusr> _2 1. yes, 2. yes, 3. no. 3) The driver didn't work with the kernel installed after the upgrade either, So I tried updating to the lastest available 2.5.27-7 and still didn't work.
[16:57] <kbusr> _2 I forgot to mention that I'm connecting from a remote location to that desktop. So I check logs and processes to see if X is running or no.
[16:57] <kbusr> _2 also the upgrade was done remotely
[16:58] <jack-spratt> _2: alas, im still not certain as two of the hdds are the same size, both mouted using fuse (it seems) and so dont give their dev/ identity properly. also no volume label is given for them. is there no way to force dolphin to reveal which device is which? also, only one of the two is mounted, can I identify which one by checking that?
[16:58] <ubuntu> Hello
[16:58] <jack-spratt> hello
[17:02] <robtone_> Hello. Why apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade to from 8.04.1 to 8.10?
[17:02] <kbusr> robtone_ You need first to change the release in /etc/apt/sources.lst from hardt to intrepid
[17:03] <robtone_> Odd. On the laptop at work adept announced that there is a new version and asked whether to update
[17:03] <kbusr> robtone_ you're in a console or desktop?
[17:04] <robtone_> kbusr, both
[17:04] <marco> help my
[17:04] <marco> aidez moi
[17:04] <marco> aiuto!
[17:05] <bazhang> !fr
[17:05] <jack-spratt> _2: kubuntu cant install on a drive thats mounted right? so as long as i mount all the other drives then I can safely install right?
[17:06] <marco> aiutatemi!
[17:06] <marco> ok
[17:06] <marco> I have
[17:06] <marco> a problem with e220
[17:06] <marco> and kubuntu
[17:07] <marco> I don't go on the web
[17:07] <genii> marco: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3656717
[17:08] <marco> could not connect host....
[17:08] <marco> error
[17:08] <marco> why??
[17:08] <marco> I click
[17:08] <marco> and don't go!
[17:09] <W8TAH> jussi01, you still here?
[17:09] <marco> error-konversation...
[17:09] <kbusr> robtone_ did you try, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu ?
[17:09] <robtone_> kbusr, sheds some light (yet I don't know whether it worked at work)  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades
[17:09] <robtone_> kbusr, reading it right now, thanks.
[17:10] <jussi01> W8TAH: aroundish... packing for a trip
[17:10] <W8TAH> cool
[17:10] <W8TAH> http://pastebin.ca/1246955
[17:10] <W8TAH> thats the next error that hit
[17:11] <W8TAH> says plasma is not installed but i can see the cashew so its gotta be here
[17:11] <W8TAH> nm -- got it -- libplasma-dev wasnt in
[17:11] <W8TAH> cmade now on to make
[17:12] <W8TAH> ok -- make and make install went smooth -- lets see if it works
[17:13] <W8TAH> jussi01, works perfectly -- thanks for the assist
[17:14] <jussi01> W8TAH: great :d
[17:16] <marco> ciao
[17:17] <Eruaran> anyone know why the zoom out option does not appear when you click the cashew ?
[17:17] <robtone_> kbusr, thanks again (is now upgrading).
[17:21] <kbusr> robtone_ you are welcome
[17:27] <ubuntu_> hello
[17:27] <kbusr> hello
[17:28] <ubuntu_> can anyone help me
[17:28] <genii> !anyone | ubuntu_
[17:28] <ubuntu_> well my pc reboots automatically on startup
[17:29] <ubuntu_> I have Win XP on it and whenever i restart it i get the loading screen and then a blue screen flashes for a second and the comp restarts
[17:30] <ubuntu_> can anyone let me know is it a problem with the hardware
[17:31] <jtisme> ubuntu_, do you also have kubuntu on that machine
[17:31] <ubuntu_> no i m using live cd
[17:31] <jtisme> does the live cd boot and run
[17:31] <ubuntu_> just so that i can connect to internet
[17:32] <ubuntu_> yes
[17:32] <kbusr> ubuntu_ you could start in safe mode and check event viewer for errors. However that's a windows issue not Kubuntu's :)
[17:32] <ubuntu_> not working
[17:32] <jtisme> then you probably dont have a hardware issue sounds like windozs
[17:32] <farkore> hi
[17:32] <genii> ubuntu_: You may find some help in the ##windows channel
[17:33] <ubuntu_> well it usually happens every three or four months
[17:33] <jtisme> ubuntu_, to the same machine
[17:33] <kbusr> Which script is in charge of starting X during setup? Because I start the pc and then X doesn't start but if I do a startx all modules start.
[17:33] <ubuntu_> how cn i join windows channel
[17:33] <ubuntu_> yes the same machine
[17:33] <kbusr> ubuntu_ type /j #windows
[17:33] <farkore> can someone helpme with the adress boook?
[17:33] <ubuntu_> #windows
[17:34] <jtisme> ubuntu_, /j #windows
[17:34] <ubuntu_> thankyou
[17:34] <ubuntu_> ubuntu_, /j #windows
[17:34] <pritam> i installed KoolDock using the deb file , it shows as installed in Adept but how do i seem to get it running
[17:35] <kbusr> where's the runlevel variable stored?
[17:38] <robtone_> kbusr, /etc/inittab
[17:39] <pritam>  i installed KoolDock using the deb file , it shows as installed in Adept but how do i seem to get it running
[17:39] <robtone_> (not sure whether that was the question, though)
[17:39] <pritam> help would be appreciated
[17:39] <deepfreez> hi, i have a big problem, i connot download music with linuxdc++
[17:39] <deepfreez> becouse the person have old client odc for windows and i don't have... installed no know what...
[17:40] <deepfreez> and give me dissconect
[17:40] <robtone_> kbusr, nm, was at the wrong OS
[17:42] <a_faris> Hi guys
[17:42] <deepfreez> I'm new to Ubuntu and I just installed DC++. All systems in the lan I'm are Xp or vista and therefore use ODC. When I try to download files DC++ tries to connect for 2 seconds or so only to get DISCONNECTED.Could this be a problem of incompatibility between ODC and DC++.Please help me out of here, I need to download files.
[17:43] <robtone_> kbusr, /etc/event.d/rc-default looks for command line, /etc/inittab and defaults to 2
[17:43] <a_faris> Anyone out there?
[17:43] <a_faris> How to chage display resolution on Kubuntu?
[17:44] <a_faris> My default is 800 x 600
[17:44] <a_faris> Everything is very big
[17:45] <paulk> Question: Is Adobe flach player compatible with Konqueror
[17:45] <paulk> sorry mispell Adobe flash player
[17:48] <pritam>  i installed KoolDock using the deb file , it shows as installed in Adept but how do i seem to get it running
[17:48] <isaacj87> hey everyone
[17:49] <kbusr> robtone_ inittab is deprecated now, I have read, it can be changed by runlevel X
[17:50] <kbusr> robtone_ I don't know why but X does not start when starting the pc. Any ideas where to check for the script? I've got xserver-xorg-wacom-input on rc.2
[17:50] <jobe> hi, I need to use mobloquer which is a gui for moblock. Its not in the repos but it can be easily added to synaptic and downloaded in ubuntu. Can I do the same thing in kubuntu? the two share the same repos anyway I gather...or will there be missing dependencies or something?
[17:50] <kbusr> robtone_, I don't know if it was there always and I was used to launch kde. If I do startx it starts.
[17:51] <Reptile> faris: system sttings -> display
[17:56] <genii> kbusr: Runlevel is stored in /var/run/utmp    however the things which run at each level are in /etc/rcX.d  where X is the runlevel and the directory there contains symlinks to whichever daeomons or processes run at that number
[17:56] <genii> kbusr: Possibly you don't have kdm installed
[17:58] <deepfreez> what is the command for install the recommanded library
[17:58] <jobe> I installed the 25 package proprietary codec etc package, but i still cant play mp3s. why is that? amarok says xine cant play mp3 yet, do i need to logout and in or something? another package required perhaps?
[17:58] <deepfreez> apt-get install recommanded
[17:58] <deepfreez> or ...
[17:58] <deepfreez> for install compilator etc
[18:00] <oim> hi to everyone. is there a bluetooth problem on kde4
[18:00] <oim> i can't start bluez 4
[18:01] <oim> join #ubuntu
[18:01] <jussi01> oim: yes, its broken - read the release notes...
[18:01] <genii> kbusr: If you just want X and no kdm or so, you could use update-rc.d to set startx to run at runlevels 2,3,4 and 5. man update-rc.d for usage
[18:02] <oim> thanks jussi01
[18:03] <isaacj87> jobe: I don't see why you wouldn't be able to add the repo and install mobloquer and moblock. In fact mobloquer is even written in Qt
[18:04] <jobe> isaacj87: ok, so im using ibex, shall i add the hardy section? (i assume there isnt an ibex one)
[18:04] <jobe> they're only 0.6 away
[18:05] <isaacj87> jobe: Yeah, you can try it. It wouldn't do any harm (unless you force install something). If it won't allow the install due to dependency trouble, it'll let you know
[18:06] <jobe> isaacj87: thats great, thanks a lot for your help
[18:06] <jobe> :)
[18:07] <isaacj87> jobe: no problem :) let me know how it goes, I was thinking about install moblock/mobloquer as well
[18:08] <isaacj87> jobe: which packages did you install to enable mp3 playback?
[18:08] <jobe> its really great
[18:08] <paulk> hello everyone >Just installed 8.1 went to side with streaming video CNN says I need Adobe flash player. Is this compatable with Konqueror wed browser, should I experiment??? Don't want to mess things up.
[18:08] <jobe> isaacj87: i got that working now thanks
[18:09] <isaacj87> paulk: just visit Adobe's site and download their deb for Flash 10
[18:09] <isaacj87> paulk: I have that installed and it works pretty well. That way, if it doesn't work, you can easily remove it :)
[18:10] <paulk> Thanks for the info isaac87
[18:10] <isaacj87> paulk: no problem. here's the link: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[18:10] <supertones> was vim mode removed from kate?
[18:11] <isaacj87> paulk: btw, to answer your question, it does work with Konqueror
[18:11] <dwidmann> or you could just "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" if you're on intrepid ...
[18:11] <philippe_> Hi everybody
[18:11] <dwidmann> supertones: for the moment, but it's on the immediate agenda I think
[18:11] <isaacj87> dwidmann: Does intrepid contain the lastest version of flash...i don't remember
[18:11] <dwidmann> isaacj87: it does
[18:11] <isaacj87> dwidmann: ah okay
[18:13] <philippe_> just got a few updates and the package compiz-wrapper is included ... it's a fresh 8.10 install , why would Kubuntu need compiz ??
[18:13] <dwidmann> philippe_: it's not ... but some sort of installer for it is, I think.
[18:15] <Salze_> Does the KDE NetworkManager applet support 3G (mobile via bluetooth) connections? If so, how does it work?
[18:15] <philippe_> ok removing it does not affect other packages -> removed
[18:15] <isaacj87> philippe_: yeah, I just checked...seems kinda strange it was installed
[18:23] <Sokal-EC> is there a way to select multiple files in dolphin?
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> Sokal-EC: click on the green plus arrows in the top left
[18:23] <Sokal-EC> ohhhhh
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> or use the rubber band
[18:23] <Sokal-EC> lol thnx
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> or crtl + click
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> :P
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> you're welcome
[18:23] <kbusr> X does not start automatically, where should I check for error? /var/log/Xorg.0.log does not show any errors.
[18:24] <ubuntu10__> hello
[18:24] <genii> kbusr: I already pointed you in a couple directions on this issue
[18:24] <Sokal-EC> how do use the rubber band?
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> click and drag the mouse
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> it will create a rectangle
[18:25] <genii> eg :kbusr: If you just want X and no kdm or so, you could use update-rc.d to set startx to run at runlevels 2,3,4 and 5. man update-rc.d for usage
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> anything inside the rectangle will be selected
[18:25] <genii> aand: kbusr: Runlevel is stored in /var/run/utmp    however the things which run at each level are in /etc/rcX.d  where X is the runlevel and the directory there contains symlinks to whichever daeomons or processes run at that number
[18:25] <ubuntu10__> german peoples online^^
[18:25] <genii> kbusr: Also that you may not have kdm installed
[18:27] <kbusr> genii, sorry I missed your lines.
[18:28] <Sokal-EC> dude that helped so much geez
[18:28] <Sokal-EC> i was wondering what the plus was all about
[18:28] <kbusr> genii, I did a locate kdm and it's found.
[18:28] <Sokal-EC> derrr
[18:28] <Sokal-EC> lol
[18:28] <genii> kbusr: I'd suggest checking if kdm is installed first, that would be the simplest
[18:28] <genii> kbusr: What does:   apt-cache policy kdm            say?
[18:30] <kbusr> genii, installed (none) how can that be possible. :S
[18:30] <paulk> I just found out with regard to Flash player: Status Error:Wrong architecture ,i386' supports only Firefox 2.x, Firefox 3.x, SeaMonkey 1.11 opened it with Gdebi package installer, don't know what to do?
[18:31] <paulk> running 64 bit by the way
[18:32] <genii> kbusr: Well, so:    sudo apt-get install kdm
[18:32] <hannascott> schwing. My sound just stopped working this morning (running kubuntu 8.10, Realtek ALC268 sound card, no non-package-list software installed). It was always a big quirky when having earphones plugged in at boot, but... now it's stopped working completely
[18:35] <hannascott> Good to know. Latest package installed was for vlc
[18:35] <mefedrin> ku
[18:38] <marek_> hi
[18:40] <hoonteke> kontact/kmail question: is there anyway to speed up the message filtering process with imap?  Filtering in thunderbird takes about 5 seconds tops, whereas kmail takes about 3 seconds, per message, and does it individually.
[18:40] <genii> kbusr: Getting anywhere yet?
[18:43] <rakekniven> Today I updated successfully to 8.10 and nearly everything works on my dell notebook. When I press the power button I didn't get the menu to select "log off, shutdown, suspend ..." anymore. The x-server stops immidiately and the pc shuts down. How can get that menu back?
[18:45] <TimS> Anyone use Ipod and Amarok? On amarok 1.4, is it possible to change Videos from the Movies section to the TV section?
[18:49] <mefedrin> как тут мнго народу
[18:50] <Pici> !ru | mefedrin
[18:50] <hannascott> hello?
[18:51] <jorgp> is it possible to switch from ubuntu to kubuntu?
[18:51] <jorgp> using 8.10
[18:52] <jesf> buenas
[18:53] <jesf> hello?
[18:53] <jorgp> hello
[18:54] <benjamin__> jorgp: yes
[18:54] <jesf> 	
[18:54] <jesf> speak Spanish?
[18:54] <benjamin__> !spanish
[18:54] <isaacj87> !es | jesf
[18:55] <genii> jesf: Also #ubuntu-ve
[18:55] <genii> isaacj87: Since he's from Venezuela and not Spain :)
[18:55] <isaacj87> genii: oops! my apologies :)
[18:55] <jesf> 	
[18:55] <jesf> thanks, did not know he was a room in Spanish
[18:56] <genii> isaacj87: No worries, I had to do a lookup on his IP to discover it :)
[18:57] <jorgp> benjamin__: just change the sources.list lines and upgrade?
[18:58] <hannascott> can someone check if they also experience this page down: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/
[19:03] <adam> #ADAM#
[19:07] <tmp> sera a tutti dall'italia
[19:07] <jorgp> benjamin__: nm, I figured it out
[19:07] <Pici> !it | tmp
[19:07] <tmp> thank you
[19:07] <tmp> and sorry
[19:13] <KDesk> Which audio output should I selet to use mplayer in kde 4?
[19:14] <Bauldrick> whats the best way to stop a python script
[19:19] <delilaz> hello all I have a question, how do I open "alien" once installed???  I can't find it
[19:20] <kbusr> Bauldrick kill the interpreter
[19:20] <SlimeyPete> delilaz: it's a command-line program
[19:20] <SlimeyPete> you have to run it from a terminal
[19:21] <KR-data> if I buy a wireless router with a printserver in it, will I be able to use it?
[19:21] <delilaz> SlimeyPete: how do I do that?
[19:22] <SlimeyPete> open a terminal (Konsole is in the menu, or press alt-f2 and type "konsole" then press enter)
[19:22] <SlimeyPete> then you type "alien" with some parameters to run alien
[19:22] <SlimeyPete> delilaz: see the examples here http://linux.die.net/man/1/alien
[19:23] <delilaz> SlimeyPete: ok, thanks much :)
[19:23] <kboo> hola
[19:23] <DaSkreech> Bauldrick: ^c ?
[19:24] <DaSkreech> KR-data: Most liekly
[19:24] <kbusr> !es | kboo
[19:24] <KR-data> DaSkreech, is there a page to test things like that?
[19:24] <kboo> w?
[19:24] <DaSkreech> KR-data: A what?
[19:24] <DaSkreech> kboo: Hola Como Estas?
[19:25] <kboo> mucos bien
[19:25] <kboo> :)
[19:25] <KR-data> DaSkreech, homepage :) like linuxprinting.org for printers
[19:25] <DaSkreech> !printer
[19:25] <DaSkreech> Best I can guess
[19:25] <KR-data> DaSkreech, ok, thanks
[19:26] <Bauldrick> DaSkreech: so if I put "python script.py start" in a start script in inet.d, what command would I use to kill it?
[19:27] <DaSkreech> Bauldrick: Within the script? Or kill it yourself ?
[19:27] <Bauldrick> within the script
[19:27] <DaSkreech> oh grab the PID with $$ in a variable then later when you want it to die kill $variable
[19:28] <DaSkreech> That may be wrong hold on :)
[19:28] <Bauldrick> it's just a script does it creatre a pid
[19:28] <DaSkreech> You started python that has to get a PID
[19:29] <DaSkreech> and yes unless you explicitly told it not to get a PID it gets a PID
[19:30] <provolik> Hi to all
[19:31] <provolik> I insta kubuntu 8.10 today: is there a way to set Konwuero as file manager instead of dolphin?
[19:31] <jobe> why does my xorg.conf after a fresh install have only three short entries, no listed mouse or keyboard, and no 'serverlayout' section?
[19:32] <provolik> *konqueror
[19:32] <npresta> jobe: autodetection. xorg.conf is largely 'useless' unless you want to explicitly state something
[19:33] <jobe> ffs, why does everyone leave as soon as they give me a good answer - this happened twice already in here today. "here's half the answer you need, goodbye!"
[19:34] <estan> has anyone had this problem where the icons in the "tray" looks like this; http://dose.se/tray.png ? i've had it with every release of KDE since 4.0, on both nvidia and intel graphics..
[19:34] <supert0nes> estan: everyone
[19:34] <estan> and with some releases, i've had layout problems with them too, they overlap et.c.
[19:34] <supert0nes> 4.2 promises a fix
[19:34] <estan> though that seems to work now.
[19:35] <jobe> anyone else: can I just manually add 'serverlayout' section without causing problems? dont I need to list stuff thats already being auto detected, but isnt currently listed?
[19:35] <estan> supert0nes: okay.
[19:35] <Bauldrick> DaSkreech: i dont know much about doing this :(  This is the incomplete start script http://paste.ubuntu.com/68519/  (its probably completely wrong!!) How would I find out the pid as to kill it
[19:35] <chairman> hey guys can i have  kubuntu and ubuntu 8.10 along w/Vista all on the same drive/
[19:35] <estan> supert0nes: glad i'm not alone ;) it's hard to believe that just layout out stuff correctly in a row can pose such problems ;)
[19:35] <jobe> chairman: certainly
[19:35] <genii> jobe: You can add whatever options you used to add to the xorg.conf
[19:35] <jobe> chairman: with enough space and partitions, and a correctly configured bootloader
[19:36] <jobe> genii: so if I add a blank serverlayout section now, will it mess up
[19:36] <estan> jobe: give it a shot? ;)
[19:36] <genii> jobe: No
[19:37] <jobe> genii: great, thanks. ill get adding the wacom sections then
[19:37] <jobe> :)
[19:37] <DaSkreech> provolik: Yes there is
[19:38] <chairman> well i have 250gb hdd on my hp pavilion dv6833 notebook w/Vista premium and THE new Intrepid Ibex
[19:38] <DaSkreech> jobe: Xorg has changed they are phsing out the config file thy barely use it
[19:38] <provolik> DaSkreech, what is it?
[19:38] <DaSkreech> Bauldrick: As soon as you run a command if you get $! then it will give you the PID of the last command. Save that in a variable
[19:39] <DaSkreech> chairman: Yes
[19:39]  * DaSkreech gives genii Coffee
[19:39] <chairman> i know when u load the cd u can install it in Windows which means it auto partitions itself
[19:39] <genii> DaSkreech: Thanks, needed that!
[19:39]  * genii sips
[19:40] <estan> a little off topic, anyone had a regression when upgrading to the 177.80 nvidia driver with scrolling speed in firefox? i think it was very fast for me with 177.76 and 177.78.. but with 177.80 it's slow again :/
[19:40] <paulk> for those who need to know: this is what I found:
[19:40] <paulk> Flash Player support on 64-bit operating systems
[19:40] <paulk> Issue
[19:40] <paulk> Adobe Flash Player is not supported for playback in a 64-bit browser. However, you can run Flash Player in a 32-bit browser running on a 64-bit operating system.
[19:40] <paulk> Reason
[19:40] <paulk> Adobe is working on Flash Player support for 64-bit platforms as part of our ongoing commitment to the cross-platform compatibility of Flash Player. We expect to provide native support for 64-bit platforms in an upcoming release of Flash Player following Flash Player 10.
[19:40] <paulk> Solution
[19:40] <paulk> To use Flash Player to view Flash content on a 64-bit operating system, you must run a 32-bit browser.
[19:40] <estan> (i am using InitialPixmapPlacement=2 and GlyphCache=1 on a 6600GT)
[19:40] <provolik> what is the way to set konqueror as file manager instead of dolphin?
[19:41] <estan> paulk: please see topic, pastes in http://paste.ubuntu.com
[19:41] <jobe> DaSkreech: hmm, interesting, thanx.
[19:41] <DaSkreech> OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
[19:41] <DaSkreech> Creative open sourced the drivers!!!!!
[19:42] <jobe> DaSkreech: wft?
[19:42] <SSJ_GZ> no way
[19:42] <jobe> they promised never to do that
[19:42] <evo_jackson> link
[19:42] <estan> yea really, link.
[19:42] <DaSkreech> http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&thread.id=132288
[19:42] <jobe> does it matter what order the 'sections' go in, in xorg,conf
[19:43] <genii> jobe: You ca't put something undefined in. So if servr layour needs monitor definition, etc, that has to be above it someplace
[19:44] <DaSkreech> Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[19:44] <paulk> Ubuntu pastein has been bookedmarked Thanx
[19:44] <jobe> genii: ok, ill list all input devices at the bottom of the file then
[19:45] <DaSkreech> crimsun: Reactions? :-D
[19:45] <zerothis> "X-Fi Fatal1ty" sounds like the name of a virus
[19:45] <estan> jobe: check out "man xorg.conf"; "The xorg.conf file is composed of a number of sections which may be present in any  order."
[19:46] <jobe> estan: ok cool.
[19:46] <jobe> if i dont list any mouse or keyboard in 'serverlayout' will they still be autoconfigured and work?
[19:46] <jobe> (currently there are non listed, but i have to add a serverlayout section)
[19:46] <hannascott> DaSkreech: hello...
[19:47] <Uncle|Sam> i have a problem. My notebook run in akku mode some minutes and i think he wanted to change to sleep mode or something like that. I got a black screen with just a blinking "_". No chance to get back to OS. I reseted my notebook and let it boot from new. Now if i successfully logged into my account this happens again every time
[19:47] <DaSkreech> hannascott: HI
[19:47] <Uncle|Sam> ah ok problem solved, akku = 0% :P
[19:47] <chairman> the reason i asked is because i've seen some awesome looks on 8.10 ubuntu tht make mac osx10 look obsolete
[19:48] <chairman> jobe how do i get this to happen?
[19:48] <jobe> chairman: install windows first, the order of the other two doesnt matter
[19:48] <jobe> use at least 3 partitions, one for each OS
[19:50] <jobe> im going to go and try my edited xorg.conf
[19:50] <jobe> cya in a min
[19:50] <rakekniven> My buttons for log off shutdown suspend etc doesn't show the kde icons for that actions
[19:50] <rakekniven> Do I miss a package. kubuntu 8.10
[19:50] <estan> DaSkreech: too bad it's not GPL :/
[19:51] <DaSkreech> estan: source-code for the Creative X-Fi driver is now licensed under the GNU GPLv2.
[19:52] <estan> DaSkreech: hm. okay. to get to the download link i had to agree to something that definately wasn't the GPL.
[19:52] <DaSkreech> Yeah that's the standard Creative thing if you download anything from off the site
[19:52] <chairman> but jobe i don't have a partition software for this/
[19:53] <estan> DaSkreech: ah i see now; CREATIVE END-USER SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT (for Web Software)
[19:53] <estan> DaSkreech: so i guess it's something with their website.. weird to have that for a GPL download though ;)
[19:53] <DaSkreech> estan: If you want to don't agree to it
[19:53] <DaSkreech> Wait till the driver is reuploaded
[19:54] <estan> DaSkreech: yea.
[19:54] <DaSkreech> Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[19:54] <estan> or until it's in mainline ;) should that ever happen..
[20:02] <delilaz> hello all, I'm having problems with flashplayer 10, anyone know how I can delete xpti.dat from components directory of mozilla??? I've deleted that file twice and it keeps coming back.
[20:03] <delilaz> Or anyone know how I can fix flashplayer to get it working again??
[20:05] <dygash> How do I change my screen resolution on KDE?
[20:06] <dygash> Right now it's too small for me to read easily
[20:07] <provolik> what is the way to set konqueror as file manager instead of dolphin?
[20:08] <dygash> no one know?
[20:08] <DaSkreech> provolik: In Konqueror go to file associations and change the association of inode from Dolphin to Konqueror
[20:08] <paulk> delilaz>are you running 32 bit or 64 bit?
[20:08] <DaSkreech> dygash: What version of KDE ?
[20:08] <dygash> I don't know
[20:09] <dygash> to both questions
[20:09] <dygash> my rez changes with startups
[20:09] <dygash> sometimes big sometimes small
[20:09] <chairman> jobe u there?
[20:09] <benoitstandre> #lgm2009
[20:10] <benoitstandre> sorry for that :-)
[20:10] <dygash> My eyes are really straining at this rez
[20:11] <dygash> I tried configure desktop but there was no option
[20:11] <MunichMatt> hi all. i need som help in compiling kile-2.0.2 with German language under kubuntu 8.04 (kde3.5.10). Can anybody help? Has anybody done this before?
[20:12] <dygash> so what should I do?
[20:12] <dygash> paulk: sorry I just remembered 32 bit
[20:12] <delilaz> paulk: i'm running 32 bit
[20:13] <provolik> a catarlo konqueror
[20:13] <dygash> opps
[20:13] <dygash> see I'm struggling even to read right :p
[20:14] <provolik> this k8.10 is driving me crazy
[20:15] <DaSkreech> !resolution | dygash Try this
[20:18] <delilaz> Anyone know how I can get flashplayer working again after intalling flashplayer 10 my computer seems to think I don't have flash installed.
[20:19] <dygash> ubottu: It says it will not proceed as Gnome Manager is not my default
[20:20] <chairman> how can i partition my hard drive
[20:25] <delilaz> chairman: I know that with the linux cd u can partition with "qtpart" (I may have spelled it wrong) lol
[20:26] <chairman> i have the ubuntu cd at home but i want ot keep Kubuntu on here as well
[20:29] <jobe> im editing xorg.conf. 8.10 has hardly any entries in there, including no serverlayout section. if I add input devices without a serverlayout section = no X. If i add a new server layout section listing the devices I added = no X. I was told I dont need to add entries for keyboard/mouse as they arent already listed. is this so? what else do i need to do? im setting up an intuos3 tablet
[20:30] <delilaz> you can partition it with qtpart and then install ubuntu with the option to 'use the largest continuous space'
[20:31] <delilaz> I have both xp and kubuntu, though I did a fresh install of xp first then partitioned to install kubuntu
[20:32] <chairman> what tht does?
[20:37] <benjamin__> you should be able to install the kde4 packages in ubuntu, then choose which window manager you want to log into
[20:37] <benjamin__> i do that with xfce and kde4
[20:38] <delilaz> does anyone know if a tar.gz file should be in the /var/cache directory???
[20:39] <benjamin__> i don't have one
[20:39] <benjamin__> a tar.gz there, that is
[20:41] <delilaz> benjamin: do you know if removing it would do harm?
[20:41] <delilaz> it's actually inside the flashplugin-nonfree directory
[20:43] <benjamin__> delilaz: i have no idea
[20:44] <chairman> delilaz i don't have a partition software. so how do i do it w/out one?
[20:45] <delilaz> chairman: if you don't have a partition software how else are you to partition your harddrive??
[20:45] <delilaz> unless the ubuntu install gives you the option to partition before install
[20:46] <delilaz> I wouldn't know
[20:46] <delilaz> benjamin: ok thx anyway :)
[20:46] <waylandbill> !fixres
[20:50] <TheSilva> I need some help with my upgrade to Intrepid. Can't find a solution anywhere. I upgraded my Linux box that serves as a gateway for a Windows machine. Everything is fine, except that the windows machine simply does not access the Internet anymore. Can someone help me or tell me where I can get some help ?
[20:58] <chairman> delilaz how do i open a .zip file?
[20:59] <hoodlum123> hello........
[21:00]  * jobe is otherwise occupied: Gone away for now
[21:05] <evo_jackson> anyone know to make compiz --replace stick on reboots?
[21:06] <TheSilva> quit
[21:07] <OxDeadC0de> evo_jackson set compiz as your window manager, kde/settings/advanced/session manager/window manager , or install fusion-icon and put it in your autostart
[21:13] <delilaz> Is the swf-player the same as having macromedia flashplayer???
[21:14] <gkiagia> hey guys, I am having a problem with the gtk-qt engine on 8.10. gtk apps always use their ugly default theme and don't respect the settings from the gtk-qt engine configuration module in system settings. (yes, I have logged out/in many times)
[21:14] <ptl> delilaz: no, macromedia flashplayer is adobe-flashplugin
[21:17] <ptl> delilaz: you have to install flashplugin-nonfree so that it installs this package
[21:17] <delilaz> ptl: ok thanks, was just wondering
[21:28] <hoonteke> is there a kde version of pidgin?  I use irc *and* aim, and msn, but currently I have to either use Pidgin or use two programs.
[21:28] <marek_> hi i wanted to instlal kubuntu 810 on m fathers PC, but the liveCD stops at "starting bluetooth"
[21:28] <marek_> do you know why?
[21:29] <hoonteke> I'd like to stick with KDE prgrams while I learn the ins and outs of the kde desktop
[21:29] <OxDeadC0de> hoonteke: kopete
[21:29] <Leander256> hello
[21:30] <hoonteke> OxDeadC0de: yeah, but it doesn't do irc, does it?
[21:30] <OxDeadC0de> hoonteke dunno, I use  konversation for that, pidgin seems to eat a lot of cpu after 10+ hours of sitting in irc
[21:31] <hoonteke> OxDeadC0de: yeah, that's some of my complaint as well, and one reason why I'm not just immediately jumping to it
[21:31] <Leander256> i've got a brand new kubuntu 8.10, and i'm unable to use a korean keyboard with it (i.e. switch between english and korean writing styles)
[21:32] <OxDeadC0de> but I do use pidgin for regular im, and konversation for this here ;)
[21:32] <hoonteke> OxDeadC0de: yeah, I see every protocol *but* irc in kopete
[21:32] <hoonteke> which is frustrating
[21:33] <waylandbill> yeah. irc used to be in kopete. must be not too much demand for it.
[21:34] <mot_> where can i find a log of the last round of packages that were intsalled?
[21:34] <mot_> the last round of upgrades i did last night completely took out alsa on the spot
[21:35] <sevenseeker> eh? my web cam is haunted, it keeps coming on by itself or when I use it and turn it off, it sometimes stays on
[21:35] <jorgp> what else needs to be done to switch between ubuntu to kubuntu, I installed kubuntu-desktop and removed ubuntu-desktop, picked kdm as login manager and rebooted, it lets me login using kdm, but desktop is still gnome
[21:35] <waylandbill> mot_: /var/log/apt/term.log
[21:36] <waylandbill> mot_: also /var/log/dpkg.log for dpkg instead of apt.
[21:36] <marek_> fsck says my superblock is bad, is this the end of my HDD?
[21:37] <m1fcj> good evening all... I have a problem with kwin on 8.10 with an VIA chipset mobo.
[21:37] <m1fcj> As soon as I log in, it crashes and exits. There are no obvious errors in .xsession-errors
[21:38] <m1fcj> or Xorg log
[21:38] <m1fcj> is this a known problem?
[21:38] <m1fcj> also starting kwin manually or running startkde from the failsafe xterm session causes the same
[21:38] <OxDeadC0de> m1fcj: that sounds to me like another permissions problem
[21:38] <m1fcj> an other?
[21:39] <m1fcj> hmm, I removed all files in my home dir and tried it but that didn't make any change (if it's a file permission problem)
[21:39] <OxDeadC0de> m1fcj saw this the other day, try sudo chown youruser:yourgroup * -R in your home folder
[21:39] <OxDeadC0de> including hidden files?
[21:39] <m1fcj> yes
[21:39] <m1fcj> the whole home dir and re-created it
[21:40] <OxDeadC0de> still sounds like a permission problem, but could be a number of other things
[21:41] <m1fcj> trying it again... I get the initial windiw with KDE 4.1 and then whop, it's gone
[21:41] <m1fcj> I've completely reinstalled it twice
[21:41] <m1fcj> hmm, out of ordinary things, I have the LVM encrypted
[21:41] <m1fcj> otherwise...
[21:42] <m1fcj> maybe I try w/o encryipting the LVM
[21:42] <m1fcj> I installed Ubuntu Studio first so I know the X card works fine, then loaded the Kubuntu packages on top of it.
[21:42] <m1fcj> Kubuntu live CD won't work either but I usually don't use that CD
[21:49] <hakan_from_UK> retrying the installation now w/o encrypted directories, maybe it's related to that. will see in half an hour :)
[21:55] <d3vil> trappist how to get real player gold 11 in ubuntu
[21:55] <d3vil> ?
[21:57] <d3vil> trappist
[21:57] <d3vil> pls can u help me
[21:58] <dgm_> flashplugin-nonfree not working in kubuntu 8.10 amd64?
[21:58] <d3vil> ok who  can help me
[21:59] <d3vil> how to get and install real player 11 gold in ubuntu 8.10
[21:59] <jtisme> !please >d3vil
[21:59] <d3vil> ok
[21:59] <athlon1> Hallo. I've installed kubuntu 8.10. I used konqueror but now, with this release, I only can see Applications and fonts. Where are the other options?
[21:59] <d3vil> please,help me
[22:00] <d3vil> i really need this
[22:01] <OxDeadC0de> hmm I see a fairly big kubuntu ubdate in adept, anyone know what's changed?
[22:01] <athlon1> OxDeadCode: What verson do you have?
[22:02] <OxDeadC0de> 8.10 I update about every 2-3 days
[22:03] <dgm_> is there a solution to make flash work in Konqueror in 8.10 amd64?!? :)
[22:03] <athlon1> But you can see what has changed if you press details. I've updated it today and was nvidia drivers, xorg, ...
[22:06] <paulk> dgm>they are working on 64 bit version, works on 64 bit with 32 bit browser, go figure
[22:07] <DracNoc> heya. has anyone else has problems defining the functions of their extra multimedia keys and their keyboard. I can change the settings and define functions, but nothing happens when I press the buttons...
[22:08] <athlon1> The problem I've with function keys is that not all work (yes with 8.04). And some have a strange work...
[22:09] <DracNoc> they worked for me in 8.04, but 8.10 killed them - except when Amarok is playing and Play, Stop, Volume etc are normal
[22:10] <OxDeadC0de> oh I see, new upstream release, changes to 4.1.3 I guess?
[22:11] <delilaz> hello all, I uninstalled flashplugin-nonfree through adept and now reinstalled it and this is what konsole tells me "md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz, The Flash plugin is NOT installed"  Any suggestions???
[22:12] <DracNoc> delilaz, Adobe.com is now offering their Flash player/plugin as V10. Seems to work great here. They have a .deb (K)Ubuntu native download.
[22:13] <delilaz> DracNoc: the .deb file is for 8.04, I have dapper drake
[22:14] <DracNoc> delilaz, ah, that is a problem. Is it possible for you to upgrade?
[22:14] <paulk> That .deb is also for 32 bit not 64 bit
[22:14] <delilaz> not right now it is not, besides my flashplayer was working before
[22:16] <faemir> Hey guys, is there a reason that the kubuntu websites is devoid of any screenshots? Perhaps something for windows users to read?
[22:18] <faemir> You know, it's hard to show a sceptical person what it's like when the kubuntu site has no screenshots, and the kde.org ones are just differences between 4.0 and 4.1
[22:18] <DracNoc> delilaz, I'm not sure what is causing your flash-nonfree to work, but you might want to use the --purge option on the command line to remove it completely, then reinstall: sudo apt-get remove --purge flashplugin-nonfree (then install again as normal).
[22:19] <condon> Can someone tell me how to upgrade to KDE 4.1.3?
[22:19] <jorgp> on startup how do I stop gnome from starting and start kde
[22:19] <DracNoc> * to not work
[22:19] <athlon1> Please.... I've installed kubuntu 8.10. I used konqueror but now, with this release, I only can see Applications and fonts. Where are the other options?
[22:19] <condon> Do I just click upgrade in Adept or is that just for Kubuntu itself?
[22:19] <OxDeadC0de> condon enable backports, then sudo apt-get update && upgrade
[22:19] <condon> how do I enable backports?
[22:20] <delilaz> DracNoc: ok thanks, will try to do that.  Do I have to restart the pc in order for the changes to take effect?
[22:20] <OxDeadC0de> kde menu/settings/sources
[22:20] <OxDeadC0de> software sources*
[22:20] <DracNoc> delilaz, no, but close & restart any web browser using flash.
[22:22] <condon> Do I want pre-release as well or just backports?
[22:24] <athlon1> How can I install help files for kcontrol? When I press help in Kcontrol i receive this error: help:/kcontrol/kxkb/index.html doesn't exist. Do I have to install another packkage?
[22:24] <OxDeadC0de> I'm pretty sure it's in backports, up to you what to enable really.. pre-release sounds like it might break stuff though
[22:24] <OxDeadC0de> and backports can too
[22:25] <DracNoc> Has anyone else had problems with bluetooth since KDE4.1 was released? I've had to use Gnome plugins and defined them through "Open With..." to get easy bluetooth file transfers...
[22:25] <OxDeadC0de> the bluetooth stack changed in the kernel, the software hasn't caught up yet in kde
[22:25] <condon> OK, here's my next prediciment.  Tried installing 8.04 on a friends computer and the disc wouldn't go through the process so now I'm trying w/ 7.10.  Is it hard to get to intrepid from 7.10?
[22:25] <OxDeadC0de> maybe new versions have though, i don't know
[22:26] <condon> or do I just do what I'm doing on my own system right now?
[22:26] <DracNoc> OxDeadC0de, thank for that. I guessed as much. There's a few things that just don't work in KDE4, I was guessing that they were of lower priority and will turn up in time.
[22:27] <condon> alright, update && upgrade just finished, do I just restart X?
[22:27] <OxDeadC0de> dracnoc check forums and see if the bluetooth app works in 4.1.3 if you want to risk enabling backports and upgrade
[22:28] <OxDeadC0de> condon after sudo apt-get update look in your systray, the update manager should be displaying
[22:28] <OxDeadC0de> that or your computer and internet are extremely fast
[22:28] <fernando_> sh
[22:28] <DracNoc> OxDeadC0de, done that. Still no joy... There's simply nothing there to equal the BT transfer toys in K3.5
[22:28] <delilaz> I tried the --purge option and at the end konsole still tells me the same thing "./install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz saved, md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz, The Flash plugin is NOT installed" :-/
[22:28] <condon> hardly the case, I see it :) Thanks a lot man.
[22:30] <DracNoc> delilaz, hold on, i'm researching...
[22:31] <delilaz> i'm wondering if it has something to do with the flashplugin tar.gz file being in /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree??
[22:31] <delilaz> DracNoc: sure no prob :)
[22:31] <ward_> hello I'm trying to upgrade to 4.1.3 but don't get any upgradable packages.... Have unsupported updates enabled :(
[22:32] <OxDeadC0de> ward_ it's in backports
[22:32] <ward_> what do you mean with that ?
[22:33] <OxDeadC0de> ward_ k menu/settings/software sources , enable backports
[22:33] <lakis1982> hello..is there something for kubuntu  that is like the sidebar in vista ??
[22:34] <DarkSmoke> OxDeadC0de: backports = unsuported updates
[22:34] <DarkSmoke> :P
[22:34] <lakis1982> that you can put widgets on it ... for wether , for news , etc ...
[22:34] <condon> Gotta give you props Ox, I'd get real frustrated answering the same question 15 times a day :)
[22:34] <DarkSmoke> and he said he already has them enabled
[22:34] <condon> Two different selections in my install, backports and unsupported
[22:34] <ward_> can't see the menu item :(
[22:34] <DarkSmoke> really?
[22:34] <ward_> :p
[22:35] <condon> third tab in the software sources ap
[22:35] <condon> Pre-released updates (intrepid-proposed)
[22:35] <DarkSmoke> Pre-released updates are not backport
[22:35] <condon> and Unsupported updates (intrepid backports)...nevermind, half-asleep
[22:35] <DarkSmoke> backports is unssuported updates
[22:35] <ward_> everything is enabled
[22:36] <DarkSmoke> lol
[22:36] <DracNoc> delilaz, you're going to have serious problems running Flash on Drake. Everyone has moved on since then, there's zero help for Flash on Drake.
[22:36] <OxDeadC0de> ward_ did you run sudo apt-get update?
[22:36] <ward_> yes
[22:36] <condon> sudo apt-get update && upgrade
[22:36] <ward_> did that
[22:36] <condon> hm, mine's dling it all right now...
[22:36] <lakis1982> hello..is there something for kubuntu  that is like the sidebar in vista ??
[22:36] <lakis1982> that you can put widgets on it ... for wether , for news , etc ...
[22:37] <ward_> -> plasma :p ?
[22:37] <nitr0ix> anyone playing TR on linux?
[22:37] <condon> The whold desktop :)
[22:37] <DarkSmoke> yeah
[22:37] <condon> whole even
[22:37] <DarkSmoke> the whole frikin' desktop
[22:37] <DarkSmoke> just right click anywere, and press add widgets
[22:37] <DarkSmoke> :P
[22:38] <condon> can even put the button on your taskbar to bring the plasma and all the aplets to front temporarily
[22:38] <condon> it's actaully pretty nifty
[22:38] <delilaz> DracNoc: but it was working before I tried upgrading the flashplayer... is there a way to get a previous version?
[22:38] <pit> no need for a sidebar^^
[22:38] <ward_> buh no 4.1.3 for me :/
[22:38] <DracNoc> delilaz, i found something: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=954079&highlight=flash+drake
[22:38] <ward_> looked @ the changelog and is was not very very much changed
[22:38] <DarkSmoke> whats this drake?
[22:38] <ward_> how is that ?
[22:38] <DarkSmoke> a dragon?
[22:38] <ward_> are they waiting for 4.2 to release everything?
[22:39] <DarkSmoke> well
[22:39] <Keithamus> "Creative GPLs X-Fi Sound Card Driver Code"
[22:39] <DarkSmoke> to release new features yes
[22:39] <Keithamus> that was just off of /.
[22:39] <DarkSmoke> 4.1.2 to 4.1.3 is bugfixes
[22:40] <ward_> allright
[22:40] <OxDeadC0de> brb just finished installing 4.1.3, gatta restart kde
[22:40] <delilaz> DracNoc: thanks I hope I can find a solution there :)
[22:40]  * ward_ wan'ts to install 4.3 too :)
[22:40] <ward_> 4.1.3 :p
[22:40] <ward_> nobody any clue ?
[22:41] <ward_> Should I add other repos ?
[22:41] <ward_> think not
[22:41] <ward_> not mentioned on kubuntu website
[22:42] <DracNoc> I upgraded to 4.1.3, some nice fixes, but some of the basics are still missing for me: multimedia keys, bluetooth, custom actions in Dolphin/Konqueror,  easy-to-configure panel app launchers... plus a few other basic bugs.
[22:42] <ward_> how can I see wich kubuntu version I'm running ?
[22:42] <ward_> not KDE version
[22:42] <ward_> uname -r is kerne
[22:45] <ward_> ah cat /etc/issue gives me Ubuntu 8.04.1
[22:45] <ward_> packages are only for 8.10 ?
[22:49] <condon> do I need to install something to get packages from gitweb?
[22:50] <Omoikane_> Okay, I upgraded to Ibex and my mute button no longer works and Flash almost never works and to top it off if there is flash on a page 50% of the time it crashes firefox. This is something I really need to fix.
[22:52] <batcoder-7> anyone here ever use Wine ?
[22:52] <DracNoc> Omoikane_, Adobe have released their v10 Flash player. It's a considerable improvement over their previous Flash offerings, try Abobe.com and go for their .deb 8.04+ download.
[22:53] <batcoder-7> more specifically anyone here ever use Photoshop in wine ?
[22:53] <DracNoc> Omoikane_, can't help with the mute button problem though, sorry. I have problems with the extra multimedia keys on my keyboard.
[22:55] <condon> never photoshop in wine bat, but I've used wine
[22:55] <DracNoc> batcoder-7, Photoshop CS2 seems to be the most recent version supported by WINE.
[22:55] <batcoder-7> condon: curious if its worth trying to install it, the appdb says it works or just installing windows on another partition
[22:55] <condon> toying with VM right now actually.
[22:56] <ward_> are there kde 4.1.3 packages for 8kubuntu.04 ?
[22:56] <batcoder-7> DracNoc: looks like cs4 works as well
[22:56] <condon> I'm sure it works.  I've had COD4 running in wine, I think it could handle photoshop just fine.
[22:56] <batcoder-7> is wine slower then running on winows itself ?
[22:56] <condon> check out virtualmachine, it's free and you don't need to partition anything to install windows (just be sure to set your HD size big enough to encompass all you'll need it for)
[22:56] <DracNoc> batcoder-7, really? good luck with that. I've never tried it personally, GIMP does everything I need.
[22:57] <ward_> -->virtualbox :)
[22:57] <condon> Depends on your system I'd imagine.  COD4 ran fine, but I've got a dedicated video card
[22:57]  * DracNoc is a vmware ho.
[22:57] <condon> yes, what ward said, virtualbox.
[22:57] <ward_> oka okay :p
[22:58] <ward_> condon do you know if there are 4.1.3 packages for kubuntu 8.04 ?
[22:58] <condon> no idea man.  I'm on 8.10, upgraded the second I got 8.04 loaded (10 wasn't on the page when I DL'd but was available by the time I got 04 installed.)
[22:59] <Omoikane_> Dracnoc it's telling me that it's the wrong architecture.
[23:00] <condon> Well gents, thanks for all the help.  I'm off to screw someone else's computer up for a change.
[23:02] <DracNoc> Omoikane_, what? the download worked perfectly for me.... er, not sure about that.
[23:02] <Omoikane_> Dracnoc I have a 64 bit system.
[23:02] <condon> Quick question before I leave... does the git command come standard in kubuntu or is it something I've installed along the way?
[23:04] <OxDeadC0de> condon it's in univere and says priority: optional
[23:04] <OxDeadC0de> universe*
[23:04] <condon> what's it called, I searched git in the software DL program and nothing came up
[23:04] <condon> nothing I recognized anyway
[23:05] <OxDeadC0de> "git"
[23:05] <OxDeadC0de> apt-cache show git
[23:05] <condon> apt-cache show..nice, thanks man, that's nifty to know
[23:06] <Omoikane_> dracdoc would that have an impact?
[23:07] <DracNoc> Omoikane_, 64-bit and Flash have never been the best of mates... you may need to keep with the flashplugin-nonfree
[23:07] <Omoikane_> Dracnoc ah.
[23:07] <Omoikane_> Just driving me nuts because it worked and now it doesn't/.
[23:08] <OxDeadC0de> do you have nswrapperplugin ?
[23:08] <OxDeadC0de> oh wait, that's for firefox huh
[23:09] <DracNoc> Omoikane_, or failing that, install the 32bit version of Kubuntu. You probably wouldn't notice much of a difference...
[23:09] <Omoikane_> Dracnoc, I was thinking about it.
[23:10] <DracNoc> Omoikane_, unless you have over 8Gb of RAM, or some serious video/3D rendering needs, then 32-bit is fine for everyday use.
[23:11] <CyberTechX> ?what are you talkin about?
[23:11] <Omoikane_> Dracnoc just want to keep my system the way it is.
[23:12] <DracNoc> Omoikane_, i know what you mean, but if it that means reduced functionality of everyday functions, then what are you achieveing?
[23:12] <nitr0ix> over 4gb you mean :)
[23:12] <mr---t-> ok once again I have the kde mediamanager is not running error. last time I deleted dolphin and all was ok. Now I no longer have dolphin but the error has come back. when I try to restart the service I get unable to contact kded any one know of this?
[23:13] <donavan> Is there anyway to turn off desktop mirroring KDE Display System Settings?
[23:13] <DracNoc> nitr0ix, yeah, just realised that. did they get over the 3.4Gb "available" problem?
[23:13] <slylias> if I have a 'linux driver' for my new wifi card, how can I use that to intall it on ubuntu?
[23:13] <nitr0ix> no never would probably.. :)
[23:13] <donavan> xrandr just locks up the X session
[23:13] <nitr0ix> its 32bit system restriction Windows Linux all have it
[23:14] <nitr0ix> but for windows i think they got some tweaks
[23:14] <nitr0ix> only thing is not working in 64bit Kubuntu 8.10 is flash in Konqueror for some reason it does not ..
[23:14] <nitr0ix> not working for me*
[23:14] <DracNoc> nitr0ix, Linux can run 64-bit just fine, but vendors seems to have a problem developing software to back it up.
[23:14] <donavan> nitr0ix: you can use over 3G of memory on 32bit hardware -- PAE
[23:15] <favro> !flash64
[23:15] <nitr0ix> yup i know that but KDE+Firefox mmm not best choise :)
[23:15] <DracNoc> ok, hands up if you're using Intel64?
[23:16] <nitr0ix> *keeeps hand down xD"
[23:16] <donavan> DracNoc: not willingly
[23:16] <batcoder-7> DracNoc: GIMP is great 100 percent, but in the real world of editing it doesn't hold a candle to photoshop
[23:17] <Edgar> what advantages have KDE over GNOME?
[23:17] <DracNoc> batcoder-7, matter of opinion... I does what I need to to do.
[23:17] <nitr0ix> mmm dunno edgar...really depends on taste ;)
[23:17] <Edgar> ok, but KDE, it is faster or lighter?
[23:17] <donavan> Edgar: Gnome works with deal head
[23:17] <nitr0ix> dont think its lighter but mmm for me yeah its faster then gnome
[23:18] <DracNoc> Edgar, KDE used to beat Gnome with customisation, but KDE4 needs to mature to offer the flexibility of KDE3.
[23:18] <batcoder-7> DracNoc: more then opinion ;) one has millions dollars going into it, gimp is great for just having 2 active developers, photoshop has so many more effects and things of that nature that are very hard to replicate, more tools, etc
[23:18] <nitr0ix> Tabula rasa + Kubuntu 8.10 amd64 = no more windows partitions xD
[23:19] <lucax> does anyone know how to get full support for firefox?
[23:19] <DracNoc> batcoder-7, I don't disagree, but GIMP does everything I need it to do. There's no point in investing $$$ in stuff I don't need.
[23:19] <batcoder-7> sure yea
[23:20] <batcoder-7> gimp can do alot its good, just a bit more basic
[23:20] <tacosarecool> Hello
[23:20] <DracNoc> hello tacosarecool
[23:20] <tacosarecool> How do I make my graphics card work properly
[23:20] <tacosarecool> I'm on x300
[23:20] <nitr0ix> mmm i think adobe wants tooo much for photoshop...when were using windows prices forced me to use unholly torrents xD
[23:20] <DracNoc> tacosarecool, is that ATI?
[23:21] <tacosarecool> yes
[23:21] <tacosarecool> I probably should just get a new graphics power supply and proccessor
[23:21] <batcoder-7> nitr0ix: photoshop elements or whatever has pretty much all the features of photoshop and is cheap
[23:21] <nitr0ix> still not worth paying for them
[23:21] <tacosarecool> By the holidays my parents would buy me one of those things and I could buy the 2 things
[23:21] <nitr0ix> tooo many bugs..
[23:22] <nitr0ix> slow bug fixes
[23:22] <batcoder-7> nitr0ix: they have to charge so much becasue so many people pirate ;)
[23:22] <nitr0ix> all hail piracy!
[23:22] <nitr0ix> lol charching more does not stop piracy ;)
[23:22] <batcoder-7> makes up for alot of lost profits for them i guess
[23:22] <tacosarecool> Anyone else's card laggy?
[23:23] <nitr0ix> well dont think any user gonna buy PS for home use...but for bussiness yup..maybe
[23:23] <batcoder-7> nitr0ix: business use is where they make there money
[23:23] <nitr0ix> 99% of their money come from there lols
[23:23] <batcoder-7> no
[23:23] <nitr0ix> yeah
[23:23] <batcoder-7> 99.9999
[23:24] <nitr0ix> lols
[23:24] <nitr0ix> xD
[23:24] <batcoder-7> i wish gimp had mroe developers
[23:24] <nitr0ix> mmm is gimp opensource?
[23:24] <batcoder-7> btw you ever check out Krita ?
[23:24] <batcoder-7> yea
[23:24] <batcoder-7> gimp and krita are both open source
[23:24] <batcoder-7> the only thing that can somehwat stand next to photoshop
[23:25] <nitr0ix> mmm statistics show that opensource gets fixed 70% faster then comercial software
[23:25] <nitr0ix> its like 1000 dev's around the world better then 10 in same place
[23:25] <DracNoc> tacosarecool, that's an old card, you really need to consider an upgrade.
[23:25] <tacosarecool> I'll turn off desktop effects for now
[23:25] <nitr0ix> have you seen windows 7 screenshots lately? xD
[23:25] <tacosarecool> But linux is meant to run on old hardware
[23:26] <tacosarecool> should
[23:26] <nitr0ix> mmmm try Xubuntu
[23:26] <nitr0ix> should run on old rig
[23:26] <DracNoc> tacosarecool, you're running Desktop Effects on an X300 *applauds*. Yeah, turn them off!
[23:27] <guest_> hi room, is there a way to find out which version of flashplayer kubuntu is using???
[23:27] <nitr0ix> lets make Clan in TR called AllMightyTux?!?!? xD
[23:27] <DracNoc> tacosarecool, Desktop Effects is a new toy for newer machines. Linux can run on old hardware, but with limit prettiness...
[23:27] <nitr0ix> 8.10 has flash 10 in repos i think
[23:27] <tacosarecool> Thanks
[23:28] <tacosarecool> I like installing flash 10 manually because flock can't use flash otherwise
[23:28] <guest_> I meant currently installed
[23:28] <nitr0ix> why you need to know that?/
[23:28] <nitr0ix> xD
[23:29] <guest_> to know which one is working correctly on this os
[23:29] <nitr0ix> for me in 8.10 flash does not work in Konqueror...using seamonkey :(
[23:30] <nitr0ix> but in seamonkey work perfectly :)
[23:30] <DracNoc> ok. i've got to get some sleep... Things to see and people to do 'n' all that. Remember, no matter what you do, no matter what you install, you'll always be there and it will always be your own fault. :)
[23:30] <tacosarecool> nitr0ix just install flash manually
[23:31] <nitr0ix> mmmm you mean they made flash for amd64? :)
[23:31] <favro> !flash64
[23:32] <nitr0ix> lols...those are bots?
[23:32] <CoJaBo-Eee> Is it possible to show CPU usage in the taskbar or show an alert if the CPU stays at 100% for a while?
[23:33] <nitr0ix> youtube.com/nitr0ix ;)
[23:33] <nitr0ix> TR on linux showoff video
[23:34] <brent__> Hi all!  anyone got time to help a extreme newbie?  I somehow deleted the KDE toolbar in Kubuntu 8.10??
[23:34] <brent__> I know, I know.....I shouldn't drink and learn a new OS
[23:35] <CoJaBo-Eee> brent__: Sometimes it comes back after logging back in, otherwise I think you can add it back through widgets.
[23:36] <brent__> I tried rebooting, never thought I seen it in widgets, but will re-check, thanks!
[23:37] <CoJaBo-Eee> brent__: It is the Task Manager one, IIRC.
[23:37] <brent__> SWEET, thanks alot, I feel kinda stooopid
[23:37] <brent__> that got me going for sure!
[23:38] <CoJaBo-Eee> np
[23:38] <guest_> How is it that on my root user flash has an 'md5sum mismatch' while in my other user flash works fine?
[23:38] <brent__> this is by far a nicer OS than any version of windows or mac I've used, jsut gotta get the hang of things!
[23:39] <CoJaBo-Eee> Yes, it took me a while too to figure some things out lol
[23:39] <brent__> but I'm dead in the middle of a learning curve, so I'm sure you all will be seeing alot of me!
[23:40] <brent__> thanks again for the help, good night all!
[23:41] <CoJaBo-Eee> It can take a while to get used to things, but Ive found I like most of it way better than Windows
[23:44] <donavan> ps
[23:44] <donavan> whoops, kvm.. :D
[23:44] <CoJaBo-Eee> lol
[23:47] <whistler108> http://www.unsere-nackte-pyjamaparty.net/?id=9557644
[23:48] <donavan> anyone with thoughts on this:  http://rafb.net/p/ztHPZe46.html
[23:49] <condon> How do I get kdm backthe gnome login screen sucks
[23:49] <donavan> s/login screen//
[23:49] <tacosarecool> How come I got to kdesudo alsa force-reload for flash sound to work
[23:57] <condon> how do I get KDM back?
[23:58] <alesan> hi a guy the other day told me how to install kde3.5 on ubunut 8.10
[23:58] <alesan> now I've lost the link :( do you remember it?
[23:58] <Tekhne> i upgraded to the latest/greatest 8.10 and now the systray doesn't seem to show the auto update app. i'm not sure what that application was called. the wiki's are in maintenance and google isn't being much help. what app do i need to setup?