[09:37] <Rafik> Why isn't there #ubuntu-confessional or #ubuntu-empty-your-mind channels ! :p
[09:39] <Myrtti> I can lend you my guinea pigs for that
[09:41] <elkbuntu> Rafik, there is #ubuntu-offtopic but all ubuntu channels are expected to be CoC compliant, so the contents of some people's minds simply isnt appropriate
[09:41] <elkbuntu> there are other places to do that, anyway.
[09:42] <Rafik> lol
[09:42] <Rafik> elkbuntu: you are right
[09:42] <elkbuntu> half left as well.
[09:43] <Rafik> elkbuntu: many many ideas in my mind.. ubuntu-arabic is nearly dead.. don't find a way to find contributor.. should we kill the project.. should we try to reawake it..
[09:44] <Rafik> that's the kind of things I need to talk about..
[09:46] <elkbuntu> ubuntu-arabic is the translation project?
[09:50] <Rafik> no, it's separated from ubuntu-l10n-ar even if we tried to encourage the translation via the ubuntu-arabic project
[09:51] <elkbuntu> separated why?
[09:52] <Rafik> I meant the translation team will not be affected it ubuntu-arabic is dissolved.
[09:53] <elkbuntu> ah
[09:53] <elkbuntu> so what is the actual aim of ubuntu-arabic?
[09:54] <Rafik> ubuntu-arabic was created to let the arabic loco work together to produce/offer the arabic ubuntu-related contents/support
[09:55] <Rafik> we even offered to host websites..
[09:55] <elkbuntu> ok right. and who were the original locos?
[09:56] <Rafik> Jordan, Tunisia, Morocco, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Egypt..
[09:56] <Rafik> some LoCos are not active themselves
[09:57] <Rafik> I personnaly tought if we build a bigger team, it will work
[09:57] <elkbuntu> sometimes a bigger team means everyone else sees other people who can do the work, rather than opportunities to do the work/
[09:58] <elkbuntu> first step is to inspire the locos again somehow
[10:01] <Rafik> the problem is : the community is being divided to small unities and each one is taking a kind of Independence. This is due to two reasons. either people don't understand what is a loco or they are simply searching for personal benefits through the loco
[10:02] <Rafik> Some are in a team for the team itself, not for ubuntu
[10:04] <elkbuntu> yeah that's the problem
[10:09] <Rafik> It's not easy to handle such things.. especially when some IT professionals are active in a loco but don't get the sens of the community.. it results in reinventing things and rules designed for the loco instead of using the existent documents
[10:10] <Rafik> the loco simply gets out of the loco project
[14:53] <jcastro> anyone going to be around for openweek in a few minutes?
[14:54] <nalioth> jcastro: what do you mean?
[14:55] <jcastro> I need to make sure #ubuntu-classroom is set in a way so that only sabdfl and myself can speak
[14:55] <jcastro> but I have _zero_ irc kung fu
[14:56] <jcastro> If someone could help me out that would be great
[14:58] <nalioth> sure
[14:58] <Myrtti> you people are no use
[14:58] <Myrtti> I WANT TO KNOW HOW TO HYPHENATE HYPHENATE
[14:58] <Myrtti> groar
[14:59] <Myrtti> :-(
[14:59] <Myrtti> and wrong channel to boot.
[14:59]  * Myrtti goes to bed to cry
[14:59] <jcastro> nalioth: thanks <3
[15:00] <nalioth> jcastro: when you need to speak, op up and /mode #ubuntu-classroom +m
[15:00] <nalioth> when the class is over, do the same, but with -m
[15:00] <Myrtti> nalioth: you're late
[15:00] <nalioth> Myrtti: i am?
[15:01] <Myrtti> [17:00] ~~~jcastro [n=jcastro@ubuntu/member/jcastro] has left #ubuntu-irc []
[15:01] <Myrtti> [17:00] < nalioth> jcastro: when you need to speak, op up and /mode #ubuntu-classroom +m
[15:01] <nalioth> ah
[15:01] <nalioth> i'm going blind, too
[17:27] <juliux> hi does somebody knows where i can find the freenode authplugin for supybot?
[17:31] <nalioth> juliux: there isn't one
[17:31] <nalioth> or am i thinking something weird?  what does the authplugin do?
[17:32] <juliux> nalioth: it is mentioned in the bantracker read me
[17:32] <nalioth> my supybot (ubot3) auths on connect
[17:33] <nalioth> but i'm not any kind of supybot expert
[17:33] <nalioth> perhaps ask in #supybot ?
[17:33] <juliux> ok
[17:41] <jussi01> !botclone | juliux
[18:48] <juliux> jussi01: yeah i allready saw that page
[18:48] <jussi01> :)
[18:48] <juliux> jussi01: i also found the freenode auth plugin;)
[18:49] <nalioth> juliux: what do they do?
[18:50] <juliux> nalioth: that is the next thing i want to figure out
[18:50] <nalioth> 9_9
[18:51] <juliux> nalioth: the read me says that you can ignore with that plugin all messeas from un-identified people
[18:54] <nalioth> juliux: well, that isn't good in an Ubuntu info bot  :(
[18:54] <juliux> nalioth: we will use our bot not as an infobot, we have an extra infobot
[18:54] <juliux> nalioth: i only want to setup a log and bantracker bot
[18:55] <nalioth> so just set it up to ignore all messages from anyone but it's owner
[19:10] <juliux> stdin: /window 39
[19:10] <juliux> sorry
[23:17] <jspiro> ubottu: ask
[23:17] <jspiro> ubottu, no, ask is If you have a question, just ask.  For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Ubuntu version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask: always ask the whole channel. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or at www.ubun
[23:20] <Flannel> jspiro: Too long.
[23:20] <LjL> way too long
[23:20] <LjL> i think the present one is too long already
[23:20] <LjL> it was originally "Don't ask to ask, just ask"
[23:20] <jspiro> LjL:  What if I could summarize it more?
[23:20] <LjL> now it surpasses a line's length on my screen
[23:20] <jspiro> Flannel: LjL: Or what if I split it into two parts, !ask and !gq ?
[23:20] <Flannel> jspiro: What would you summarize to that isn't already in the original?
[23:21] <Flannel> jspiro: gq?
[23:21] <LjL> jspiro: it's split already
[23:21] <Flannel> oh
[23:21] <LjL> !attitude
[23:21] <LjL> !please
[23:21] <Flannel> !doesntwork
[23:21] <LjL> !pm
[23:21] <jspiro> LjL: ah. i didn't know those factoids.
[23:21] <LjL> !elaborate
[23:22] <jspiro> hmm, it seems nobody in #ubuntu uses those though.  How could we make them better known?  Maybe by adding "see also !elaborate" to the end of !gq?
[23:22] <LjL> jspiro: it's not true that nobody uses them
[23:22] <Flannel> jspiro: I don't think its really necessary though.
[23:22] <jspiro> LjL:  ok, it seems to me.
[23:22] <jspiro> Flannel:  fair.
[23:23] <Flannel> jspiro: When those sorts of issues arrise, generally its a situation that is best handled through actual typing
[23:23] <jspiro> Flannel:  also fair :)
[23:23] <LjL> jspiro: keep in mind two things. one, the bot should flood the channel as little as possible, two, people won't read overly long factoids anyway
[23:23] <LjL> jspiro: and to make factoids more known, there is only one way - use them when appropriate
[23:24] <LjL> jspiro: the bot has search functions and a webpage. if a few people are fluent with the bot and know how to search for factoids, and use them, other people will follow
[23:24] <LjL> i used to do that a lot, i'm much less active currently, but that doesn't make that any less true
[23:24] <jspiro> how's this?
[23:24] <jspiro> ubottu, example is Please give us full details.  For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Ubuntu version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___."
[23:25] <jspiro> that's the part of my proposed new !ask I really liked.
[23:25] <jspiro> it's from #debian's bot (dpkg)'s !ask
[23:25] <LjL> it's basically !error put in a different way
[23:25] <jspiro> !error
[23:25] <LjL> i don't particularly like the "___", i'd change them to "..."
[23:25] <LjL> but it might work
[23:26] <Flannel> Sounds more like a bug report than a support request though.
[23:26] <jspiro> Flannel:  yes.  IIRC I wrote it for dpkg.  It's not perfect.
[23:26] <jspiro> in fact it's not great.
[23:26] <LjL> !details is <reply> Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..."
[23:26] <LjL> !example is <alias> details
[23:27] <LjL> having it won't hurt
[23:27] <LjL> but i agree it's not always appropriate
[23:27] <jspiro> ubottu: no, details is <reply> Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., my computer did: ..., but I expected it to do ..."
[23:27] <jspiro>  
[23:27] <jspiro> LjL: a little better?
[23:27] <LjL> most of the time, what's important is just a description of the damn problem
[23:28] <LjL> jspiro: see above ;)
[23:28] <jspiro> yep :) people have trouble explaining.
[23:29] <LjL> jspiro: ah there's also this
[23:29] <LjL> !nothing
[23:29] <LjL> and this
[23:29] <LjL> !errors
[23:29] <LjL> actually
[23:29] <LjL> !no error is <alias> errors
[23:29] <LjL> !no error is <alias> errors
[23:30] <jspiro> LjL: I think more see-also's would help.
[23:30] <jspiro> But all those you showed are excellent factoids.
[23:31] <LjL> jspiro: the main problem with see-also's (although i added a LOT of them) is that people will too often use them in the channel
[23:31] <jspiro> LjL: how do we avoid people from using them in channel?  maybe a rate limit?
[23:31] <LjL> jspiro: do note that the "nothing" factoid, for instance, doesn't have "plain" see-alsos, but does have words prefixed with !...
[23:31] <jspiro> i see.
[23:32] <LjL> jspiro: we avoid it by telling them not to, a rate limit wouldn't help because it'd need to be extremely low.
[23:32] <LjL> !msg the bot
[23:32] <LjL> uhm type that yourself if you don't know its contents
[23:32] <LjL> the bot has me on ignore because it's silly
[23:33] <jspiro> LjL: :)
[23:33] <jspiro> !msg the bot
[23:34] <jspiro> all :  why does ! talk to channel by default?  why doesn't ! normally /msg?
[23:34] <LjL> jspiro: err, and who would it /msg by default?
[23:34] <LjL> it can't just guess the intended recipient
[23:34] <jspiro> LjL: good question.  Dunno.  How about the last 3 people to have spoken?
[23:35] <LjL> meh don't make things way more complicated than they need to be, no :)
[23:35] <jspiro> ok :)
[23:35] <LjL> the bot needs to talk in the channel
[23:35] <LjL> and people need to be educated to use it in private if they need it for their own purposes only
[23:35] <LjL> and, as far as code tweaking goes to provide subtle hints to that --
[23:35] <LjL> i assure you they've been thought over, and implemented
[23:36] <LjL> jspiro: try doing !test | jspiro for instance
[23:36] <jspiro> !test | jspiro
[23:36] <LjL> !foo | jspiro
[23:37] <jspiro> !foo | jspiro
[23:37] <jspiro> ah i see.  the (In the future, please use a private message to investigate).
[23:38] <LjL> jspiro: yeah. does the same if you !test > jspiro, or at least it did last time i checked
[23:39] <LjL> by the way stdin, i don't think the recognition of either "ubottu" or "ubotu" being in the message works
[23:39] <LjL> !test > floodbot1    (floodbot1, see the private message from ubotu )
[23:39] <LjL> or uhm, perhaps it does now
[23:39] <stdin> it should
[23:39] <LjL> didn't couple days ago :)
[23:40] <jspiro> why not just run a second bot named "ubotu"?
[23:40] <stdin> wait, floodbot1 isn't here, so it won't show the "please see my private message" anyway
[23:41] <stdin> jspiro: we don't own the nick
[23:41] <LjL> stdin: right but i'm testing it in -bots right now
[23:41] <LjL> with fellows who are actually there
[23:41] <LjL> and it does seem to work
[23:42] <jspiro> stdin: who does?  can you ask them kindly to give it to you?  or can you ask freenode to?
[23:42] <stdin> seveas
[23:43] <jspiro> who is seveas?
[23:43] <LjL> the owner of the ubotu nickname.
[23:43] <jspiro> so would seveas give us it?
[23:43] <LjL> i don't think so.
[23:44] <LjL> and i'm not going to ask, either.
[23:44] <stdin> he owns the nick and always has, and he uses it afaik anyway
[23:44] <stdin> (for his bot)
[23:44] <jspiro> what is his bot?
[23:46] <stdin> https://launchpad.net/ubot
[23:48] <jspiro> ok.  anyway, thanks for all the explanations all.