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stdingenii: try "@hostmask add" (as genii not genii-around)00:08
stdinthat should teach the bot your hostmask00:08
geniistdin: They are currently on 2 different connections, will this matter?00:19
stdinno as long as the hostmask (cloak) is the same00:20
geniiOK00:20
genii@hostmask add00:20
ubottuThe operation succeeded.00:20
geniiHm00:20
genii-around@login00:20
ubottuError: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong.00:20
stdinsee if @whoami works00:20
stdinignore @login for now00:20
genii-around@qhoami00:21
genii-aroundbleh00:21
genii-around@whoami00:21
genii-aroundNope00:21
stdinahh, I see what is is...00:22
geniiThat genii-around is the primary?00:22
stdingenii: do '@hostmask add genii *!*@unaffiliated/genii'00:22
stdinit was using the full mask00:22
geniistdin: With the primary name ( -around) or with this one?00:23
stdinthat one ^00:23
stdinas "genii" is who you are to the bot00:23
stdinit couldn't care less about what nickserv thinks00:23
genii@hostmask add genii *!*@unaffiliated/genii00:23
ubottuThe operation succeeded.00:23
geniiHm00:23
stdinnow @whoami again00:24
genii-around@whoami00:24
ubottugenii00:24
stdinthere you go, as long as you get your cloak it'll know who you are00:24
genii-aroundCool00:24
* genii-around feeds stdin a hot beverage of his choice00:25
* stdin looks at the clock and chooses hot chocolate00:25
genii-around:)00:25
mneptok@whoibe01:16
stdinsorry, ubottu does not understand lol-speak ;)01:18
mneptok@whatiamiswhatiam01:24
mneptokapparently not an Edie Brickell fan, either01:24
=== Pici` is now known as Pici
ubottufavro called the ops in #kubuntu ()02:34
ubottuIn ubottu, sar4j said: songbird is an open-source customizable music player based on mozilla. - http://getsongbird.com/02:45
genii@login03:45
ubottuThe operation succeeded.03:45
* genii sips03:45
mneptokcallin' out, in transit. callin' out, in transit.03:45
mneptokRADIO FREE EUROPE!03:45
geniimneptok: Will I need a shortwave radio for that?03:46
mneptokgenii: nope, just REM's first album :)03:47
geniiAh, OK :)03:47
mneptokhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA57Pafq_NU03:48
* genii rocks out03:49
geniiI'm waiting now for some new arrival in #ubuntu to run one of the sample forkbombs04:07
Flannelwhich samples?04:11
genii[23:02:18] <Atomic_UE> curious....could someone explain to me what this command actually does?    :(){ :|:& };:04:13
geniiThere may have been another one given a bit later04:14
* genii puts on more coffee04:15
mneptok__mikem: what's up?04:25
__mikemCan you please actually inforce the no politics rules in #ubuntu-offtopic in a bi-partison manner. riotkittie gets to talk about politics till the cows come how04:25
__mikembut god forbid I bring up my conservative views, suddenly everybody decides to enforce the rules04:26
mneptok__mikem: i hardly think it's a matter of what views you hold.04:27
__mikemmneptok: it sure seems like it. the point is riotkittie trolls me and he gets away with it04:27
Flannel__mikem: Generally its only a matter of whos watching04:27
mneptok__mikem: you can see a conspiracy anywhere if you decide you're looking for one.04:27
__mikemmneptok: well even if its just a matter of who is watching, I am getting the short end of the stick04:28
__mikemconsistently04:28
__mikemmneptok: thanks :)04:30
mneptokwhen i'm the voice of reason, something is very, very wrong.04:31
jribwell it's usually the case that something is very, very wrong04:38
mneptokmy underpants agree04:38
=== genii-2 is now known as genii-around
genii-aroundBah04:43
genii-aroundWhat is the last thing received from my other nick?04:43
mneptok23:14  * genii puts on more coffee04:44
genii-aroundBah04:44
genii-aroundjussi01: Quassel kicked me04:45
* genii sips05:05
FlannelHi hunk_, how can we help you?05:20
hunk_nothing , thanks only look :)05:21
hunk_(sorry for my bad eng)05:21
Flannelhunk_: Please don't idle here.05:22
hunk_ahhh05:23
hunk_0k05:23
hunk_bye :)05:23
FlannelBye05:23
* genii sips05:25
genii-aroundGoodnite all05:55
jussi01Morning all07:42
ikoniamorning09:28
* Myrtti contemplates coffee09:32
Myrtti12hrs of sleep...09:33
ikonianice09:33
Myrttiwas lacking some09:35
Myrttinot used to having someone sleeping with, and snore.09:35
ikoniaI am at the moment09:36
ikoniaoh dear09:36
Myrttinow I have to get used to sleeping alone again :-<09:36
ikoniabut no snoring09:37
Myrttimmm09:37
MyrttiI wouldn't mind it...09:37
* jussi01 had like 14 h last night :D09:55
elkbuntui hate you both :(09:56
Myrttielkbuntu: I'm back to 5 tomorrow, if signs are right10:01
ubottuIn ubottu, netyire said: !ubottubot is smart10:21
* PriceChild goes travelling for a few days10:22
Myrttiooooh, musclespasm10:26
elkbuntuhttp://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/11/6/128704411750447087.jpg10:33
elkbuntuactually http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=250275510:34
Myrttibwurp10:35
Myrttilovely breakfast.10:35
Myrtticrêpes with chili filled with mince-rice-barley-cheddar mixture10:35
Myrttibreakfast dessert: french roast coffee and vanilla ice cream with cranberries and caramel sauce.10:36
Dave2A bowl of oatibix is almost as nice. I'm sure. Or something.10:37
ikoniaheads up on bruteforce back in #ubuntu10:55
ikonia@bansearch sexygirl11:25
ubottuNo matches found for sexygirl!n=kiosk@125.164.213.225 in any channel11:25
Myrttihmmm11:32
Myrtti@bansearch kiosk11:32
ubottuNo matches found for kiosk!n=kiosk@125.164.214.87 in any channel11:32
Myrtti@bansearch *!*kiosk*11:32
ubottuNo matches found for *!*kiosk*!*@* in any channel11:32
MyrttiI'm sure kiosk ident has been banned11:33
Myrtti@btlogin11:33
Myrttikiosk_!n=kiosk@125.164.202.5811:34
elkbuntuamazingly similar11:34
Myrttikiosk!n=kiosk@125.164.213.22511:34
Myrttithat has been kicked11:34
Myrtti2008-09-19T09:59:00 *** kiosk (kiosk!n=kiosk@125.164.213.225) has left #ubuntu (requested by Flannel: "you should know better") 11:35
ikonia@backsearch drtroll11:37
ikonia@bansearch drtroll11:37
ubottuNo matches found for drtroll!i=drtroll@a.unixpunk.de in any channel11:37
ikoniaI've seen that host before11:37
ikoniaMyrtti kiosk looks familer too hence the search11:37
Myrttiyup11:38
ikonia@bancsearch *!*@59.183.113.11012:02
ikonia@bacsearch *!*@59.183.113.11012:02
ikonia@bansearch *!*@59.183.113.11012:02
ubottuMatch: *!*@59.183.113.110 by ikonia in #ubuntu on Nov 06 2008 11:57:32 (ID: 6504)12:02
ikonia@bansearch fcuk12:02
ubottuMatch: *!*@59.183.113.110 by ikonia in #ubuntu on Nov 06 2008 11:57:32 (ID: 6504)12:02
ikonia@bansearch dd12:02
ubottuNo matches found for dd!*@* in any channel12:02
ikonia@bansearch Chooth12:03
ubottuMatch: *!*@59.183.113.110 by ikonia in #ubuntu on Nov 06 2008 11:57:32 (ID: 6504)12:03
ikonia@bansearch shreedha12:04
ubottuNo matches found for shreedha!*@* in any channel12:04
ikonia@btlogin12:16
ikoniacheck it out, dbo's active, not seen him for an age12:43
Myrttistdin: why is ubottu answering twice to @now13:07
Myrtti@now13:07
ubottuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: November 06 2008, 13:07:16 - Next meeting: LoCo Council in 4 days13:07
ubottuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: November 06 2008, 13:07:16 - Next meeting: LoCo Council in 4 days13:07
PiciPelo should know better...13:12
ikoniawhat's with pelos attitude ?13:14
Mezikonia: fail...13:16
ikonia?13:16
Mezthe bancsearch's13:17
ikoniaMez: yes, they did13:17
ikoniaas did my fingers13:17
jribhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/ has some good info now.  Worth checking out to troubleshoot X issues13:18
ikoniajussi01: you still on track for next week 13:34
ikoniahe's ranting in vbox now13:36
Picijrib: thanks, I updated the fixres factoid with the new layout for the xorg wiki pages13:37
Picix13:37
Pici!x13:37
ubottuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution13:37
LjLi'm getting lots of highlights13:39
ikoniawhere ?13:39
LjLmostly sudobash in #ubuntu, but some other joiners highlighted me on join13:41
LjLthen pivot.net but i guess that doesn't mean much13:42
ikoniaLjL: I can't see you r name being mentioned in #ubuntu at all13:45
LjLikonia: err no of course it isn't13:45
Piciikonia: LjL has an enourmous list of things to be hilighted on.13:45
ikoniaduhhh13:45
ikoniasorry, being dumb13:45
LjLsudobash is definitely there13:46
PiciHes behaving though, for the moment.13:46
ikoniais he known ?13:46
LjLas long as he doesn't start threatening to DoS someone13:46
PiciOr give horribly bad advice.13:47
stdin@now14:02
ubottuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: November 06 2008, 14:02:20 - Next meeting: LoCo Council in 4 days14:02
stdinMyrtti: fixed14:02
Myrttithx14:02
Myrttiwhat was the cause?14:02
stdina missing '.' :p14:02
Picistdin: What was causing it? ... took the words out of my...mouth? Fingers?14:02
stdinit would only repeat if you're identified to the bot14:03
stdinthe part that checks if you're identified basically always came back as false, it called the command, then supybot itself called the command14:04
Myrttihaha14:09
Myrttilolz14:09
ikoniajack's in !14:22
Myrttihide! hide!14:25
MezRun to the hills!14:30
PiciThe Hills are Alive!14:31
MyrttiWITH THE SOUND OF MUUUUUSIIIIC14:33
PiciAAIIEEE14:33
Pici:)14:34
* genii puts on a pot of coffee14:37
geniiGood morning, afternoon, or evening14:39
geniiMyrtti: Moin   ;)14:39
Myrttigenii: moin14:40
ubottuIn ubottu, jeff008 said: it is the same14:41
ikonia@bansearch *!*@81.178.210.4214:50
ubottuNo matches found for *!*@81.178.210.42 in any channel14:50
jussi01ikonia: yep, Ill be there - still figuring out whether to stop in birmingham for a few hours, but we will see.15:30
ikoniajust checking15:30
jussi01:D15:31
jussi01ikonia: Im still bitchin about spurs on the weekend...15:31
ikoniacan't be helped15:32
ikoniaI'm dissapointed too15:32
jussi01yep15:32
ikoniathat was almost too well scripted15:32
jussi01hehehe15:33
jussi01Im packing atm, I leave in the morning15:33
ikoniaand it's the 12th your turning up on 15:34
ikoniaor the 10th15:34
ikoniauntil the 1215:34
ikonia(not got my notes15:34
Myrttiintresting. My wireless just died15:40
Myrttibut I can still access my home server15:40
ikoniamagic15:41
Dave2perhapos you have invisible wires15:43
Myrttithis is about as funny as...15:43
Myrttihmmm15:43
Myrttino, can't think of anything15:43
geniiMybe it's just the DNS that died15:44
Myrttigenii: how little you think of me15:45
Myrtti"iwlist wlan0 scanning" doesn't return my routers access points.15:45
* Myrtti rolls her eyes15:46
ikoniais your router invisible so scan won't show it15:46
* Pici rolls Myrtti's eyes back to her15:47
ikoniadoes iwconfig show the card connected ?15:47
Myrttino it's not invisible15:47
* ikonia throws that theory out the window15:47
Myrttiand iwconfig of course shows it, otherwise it wouldn'tbe able to scan, would it?15:47
Myrttior in other words:15:47
MyrttiTHIS THING WORKED 10 MINUTES AGO AND SOMETHING WENT WRONG!!!!1115:48
ikoniaMyrtti I meant does it have the ESSID associated and show a connected status15:48
geniiMyrtti: I think the world of you :) 15:56
* Myrtti smiles15:57
Myrttigood old reboot did the trick15:57
geniiAnyone gonna boot the #ubuntu troll ?16:03
Myrttiwhich one16:03
geniiOr warn at least16:03
genii<l3tr4ngl3ur> kan c kon me quicked16:03
geniiSorry the whole message. Quassel idiosyncrasy for copy, etc16:04
geniiHe speaks English fine, just being an ass :)16:05
geniiThanks ikonia16:06
ikoniano problem16:06
* Myrtti takes few steps back from #ubuntu16:09
Myrttioh dear god16:11
Myrttihave people always been that unpatient and ... dense?16:11
Piciyahoo msn!16:11
ikoniaI'm using google skype16:11
ikoniawith my spacebook16:11
Pici"What browser are you using?" "I'm using the google, so naturally Internet Explorer"16:12
MyrttiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRGGGHH16:12
Pici!prayer16:13
ubottuDear $DEITY, Give me strength to understand and work with users who question my logic, the rules, netiquette and common sense. Give me resilience to teach them the basics of Linux, Ubuntu, Community Guidelines and IRC. Allow me not to stray to nitpicking, argument, foul language or leisure op abuse. Deliver me my daily xkcd, User Friendly, LWN, /. and Planet Ubuntu, and guard over my encrypted drives. Let it be so.16:13
Myrttithe idiocy... I can feel my brain mushing up and dripping down from my ear16:13
geniiYup16:13
geniiMomma said there'd be days like this16:13
ikoniagenii: thats a line from a song ?16:16
geniiikonia: Maybe 16:17
ikoniawhich song? 16:17
ikoniaI know it16:17
ikoniabut can't think16:18
genii"Momma Said" - The Shirelles16:19
ikoniamaybe, not what I was thinking though16:19
ikonialenny kravitz, momma said, thats what I was thinking16:19
geniiMorrison had one with similar lyrics as well16:20
* genii hums "Momma Told me Not to Come" by 3 Dog Night instead16:21
genii;)16:21
MyrttiI'll strangle that noksious over ethernet soon16:22
PiciI don't remember seeing an RFC for that one16:23
ikoniahe's not go long left16:23
Myrtti"I have a problem"16:24
Myrtti"OH REALLY?!"16:24
Myrtti"LET ME TELL YOU THE WAYS OF PROBLEMS, MY FRIEND!"16:25
* Myrtti facepalms16:25
Myrtti;_____;16:25
Myrttiaaaarrggghhghghghghg16:25
geniiHe likely installed it from some tarball16:32
PiciWhere?16:32
geniinoksious (sp?) and his Empathy issue16:35
MyrttiI hope he doesn't come back.16:35
MyrttiI'm sorry, but I do.16:36
geniiBizarre.    <Anatoliy> Go all in ass, fat creature!16:54
bazhangone goon?16:54
geniiIs it a full moon today?16:54
bazhanghaha16:54
geniibazhang: Yes, exactly16:54
Myrttihe is gone soon16:54
jussi01hrm, What welse might I have forgotten for my trip...16:56
jussi01what else*16:56
geniijussi01: mp3 player ?17:03
jussi01genii: check!17:03
geniiextra Ubuntu CDs to hand out and promote? ;)17:04
jussi01hrm, got none atm...17:04
* genii sips17:05
jussi01I know there is something Ive forgotten...17:05
geniiJust remember your passport17:06
jussi01got that :D17:07
jussi01thankfully I live only like 5k from the airport17:07
Myrtti5km's, dear.17:07
jussi01Myrtti: shut up17:08
jussi01:D17:08
jussi01and come on skype17:08
jussi01:D17:08
* Myrtti grunts, gets a microphone17:08
* Myrtti pokes jussi01 17:18
jussi01PriceChild: you around?18:11
geniiCan I suggest a factoid change for !spanish    ?18:59
Picisuggest away18:59
geniiTo mention #ubuntu-ve (Venezuela) #ubuntu-mx (Mexico) #ubuntu-cu (Cuba) #ubuntu-br (Brazil)19:00
PiciBrazil is not spanish though19:01
geniiFair enough, but you get the idea :)19:02
Pici!es19:03
ubottuEn la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.19:03
geniiPici: !es can stay since it's Spain's tld which is correct for the factoid context19:03
PiciBut es is also espanol19:04
genii!ca19:04
ubottuCanadian Ubuntu users can be found in #ubuntu-ca19:04
* genii sips19:04
genii!en19:04
ubottuThe #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat19:04
Pici!br19:05
ubottuPor favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.19:05
geniiThere is also puerto rico , dominican republic, belize, costa rica, guatemala,argentina, bolivia, and other countries which speak spanish19:09
geniiAt least a couple of those have channels here19:09
geniiPici: Maybe at least something which refrences the complete channel list as the !en does19:16
LjLno please19:17
LjLseveral of the spanish channels, i think, have agreed to use #ubuntu-es for support19:17
LjLi suspect a few of them wouldn't even *want* to use their loco channel for support, they want it as a loco channel period19:18
geniiLjL: Ah, OK. This I was not aware of19:18
LjLit's not like there are hundreds of spanish-speaking supporters, there's few enough of them in *one* channel19:18
LjLif someone is looking for mexicans or the mexican loco team, then by all means use !mx but if they're looking for support, -es is the preferred place19:18
geniiLjL: A few times I've had indignant Spanish-speakers people from south american countries point out to me they were *not* from spain when the !es is used  :)19:20
geniiSince then I attempted to point them to their local channel where possible, but if these are only being ised as loco channels and not support then status quo I suppose19:21
LjLgenii: should have asked them where exactly does it say in the factoid that the channel is only for spaniards19:21
LjLgenii: and i'd personally much rather have language-specific support channels separate from loco channels19:22
geniiLjL: I think the confusion comes from the TLD for spain being also .es 19:22
LjLgenii: but that'd require a complete overhaul of things and a lot of problems19:22
LjLgenii: yes, as a matter of fact #ubuntu-es *is*, nominally, the Spanish loco's team channel19:23
LjLgenii: but ironically they have #ubuntu-es-loco for actual loco stuff19:23
LjLgenii: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/Coordination the part where it talks about loco channels19:24
Myrtti-fi is for finnish support19:24
LjLMyrtti, it's easy with finnish because finland is the only country that speaks finnish19:24
Myrtti-fi-tiimit is for the active people in the loco for ... hold on19:25
Myrttithought broke19:25
Myrttischeduling events etc.19:25
LjLyes, the loco channel19:25
geniiInteresting19:25
Myrtti-fi-offtopic for idle chatter etc19:26
LjLproblem is, at least one of the problems - if several countries speak the same language, which loco channel provides support?19:26
LjLeven if loco channels and support channels were more clearly separated systematically, that problem would remain19:26
Myrtties for support19:26
Myrtties_ES for the Spanish loco ;-)19:27
Myrttij/k19:27
LjLgenii: that document was mostly written by me and basically it codifies what was already there. i thought it might give an idea how delicate this can be19:27
LjLMyrtti, or #ubuntu-spanish for support. that's what #ubuntu-arabic has done (still, i don't just *love* that, because you have to use cumbersome english names)19:27
LjLbut still, who *manages* the support channel, no matter what it's called?19:28
LjLand just scattering support among N different loco channels is, well, a terrible solution. imnsho.19:28
* genii sips his coffee and ruminates on the dilemma19:32
Myrttirhum?19:32
Myrttiwhere?19:32
geniiHehe19:33
geniiMyrtti: I thought you were the cider crowd ;)19:33
Myrttirhum with lime juice is nom19:34
jussi01Nini everyone, Im off travelling, so probably wont check in for a few days19:35
Myrttitata dearie19:35
Myrttitake care19:35
jussi01thanks, I will19:35
geniijussi01: Safe travels19:36
jussi01thanks19:37
ubottuIn #ubuntu, winterelf said: ubottu : if there is any21:46
LjLmneptok: anyway, a general linux compatibility db would be cool for sure, but also very ambitious a project. i was thinking more in terms of just ubuntu, because if you're confined to ubuntu, you can do something like pop up a window after two weeks the user's been running Ubuntu and ask "so, now if you've got time for a survey, we'd like you to rate your hardware compatibility so it other users can draw from that"23:05
LjLagain wikis are nice but you need to actually know about them, know how to use them and remember to go write something about your hardware on them23:06
LjLwhat percentage of users does that?23:06
FlannelWell, we have the hardware ... compatability program whatever in admin, right?  or whereever it is now.23:08
FlannelCant we just add to that a comments section?23:08
LjLFlannel: yes, it's very limited though23:08
LjLthere are comments already23:08
* Flannel has no idea if there already is a comments section.23:08
FlannelLjL: So, cant we just expand that to get actual feedback? and then grep those feedbacks?23:09
LjLyes, expanding that program is what i'm thinking about23:09
LjLi think it ideally needs to be as comprehensive as the !hardware wiki in scope23:09
LjLof course that's not easy to achieve (and may actually be counter-productive if done wrongly, since a user will never want to answer 256 questions about their hardware... i wonder how many answer that half-a-dozen there is)23:10
FlannelLjL: I agree, except we can get their hardware information from lspci, etc.  So, I mean, you could even have it prompt them (with radio buttons for canned responses): "How well does your video driver work?"  "How do you like your sound?"23:10
LjLindeed23:10
Seeker`but thats subjective23:10
LjLalthough care needs to be taken to avoid nagscreens23:11
FlannelLjL: its voluntary, if we make the program work better for us (more info), and then start a campaign to get people to do it...23:11
LjLSeeker`: many subjective ratings make up a survey, surveys are useful23:11
Seeker`"my video card works great" and "issues with applications x,y,z, no compiz" could come from the same computer23:11
LjLnothing wrong with that23:11
FlannelSeeker`: You can have radio buttons for people to not have to type lots (since for a good deal of them, I imagine it'd be "I haven't noticed" or "I dont know") and then they can comment more if they have specifics23:11
FlannelSeeker`: Whats wrong with that?  It works except with those apps and compiz23:12
FlannelLjL: I say ditch the nag screen, the "how can we get people to do the test" is a social problem and as such, shouldn't have a technological solution23:13
Seeker`Flannel: I mean if you have something other than "works" or "doesn't work", you'll probably get a spectrum of answers23:13
FlannelSeeker`: And whats wrong with that?23:13
mneptokLjL: there's also System>Admin>Hardware Testing23:13
Flannelmneptok: I thinkthats what we're talking about23:13
mneptokLjL: that funnels stuff to Marc here in this office.23:13
LjLmneptok, that is the utility i referred to in my question - and the one we're basically talking about now23:13
FlannelLjL: A good deal of people would be willing to take 30 minutes to fill out a survey to help Ubuntu (and really, thats what they're doing, giving back)23:14
Seeker`Flannel: so if you rate how well it works from 1 to 5, i could forsee getting 20% of responses for each answer23:14
LjLmneptok: but there's two things missing from it: 1) having its output accessible in an easily browsable hardware list 2) making it much more comprehensive because computers don't just have a keyboard, mouse and screen23:14
FlannelSeeker`: Not a spectrum of responses, but word ones.  Theyre somewhat orthogonal, and only there to save people from having to type "I don't know" 20 times.23:15
FlannelThat is, not "Rate your hardware from 1 to 5"23:16
LjLmneptok: in other words, again, imagine the !hardware page, but populated *not* with stuff manually input in a wiki, but with responses that users have been requested by a nice, user-friendly little program23:16
mneptokLjL: if you get me a proposal of how it could be made more efficient or provide better output, i'll get that to the right people23:16
ubottuIn #ubuntu-irc, jspiro said: ubottu, no, ask is If you have a question, just ask.  For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Ubuntu version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask: always ask the whole channel. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or at www.ubu23:17
Flanneljspiro: How can we help you?23:18
LjLmneptok: well a very concrete proposal (although i think there is something like this, i miss the URL right now, but it didn't look like being very working) is, just make the gathered data available to everyone on a site in percentage form.23:19
jspiroFlannel:  I submitted a huge change request regarding !ask to the bot.  I am curious to know if it will be approved.  But now that you mention it, I will retire to #ubuntu-irc instead.23:19
LjLmneptok: i type in "sound blaster super-ear-destroyer", and it tells me that 70% of users who have that card reported it working23:19
Flannel....23:20
ubottuIn ubottu, zsquareplusc said: !no, upgrade is For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes and http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading23:23
ubottuIn #ubuntu-irc, jspiro said: ubottu, example is Please give us full details.  For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Ubuntu version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___."23:24
ubottuIn #ubuntu-irc, jspiro said: ubottu: no, details is <reply> Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., my computer did: ..., but I expected it to do ..."23:27
* genii sips a coffee23:28
* mneptok flips a donkey23:41
FlannelLjL: We're supposed to ask.23:44
FlannelOr, someone is.23:44
LjLFlannel: are you talking about ubotu?23:44
FlannelLjL: indeed23:44
LjLFlannel: actually, i reminded seveas some time ago that he had let the nickname expire.23:45
FlannelIt was discussed at a meeting... the last one I think23:45
LjLi wasn't at that meeting, most likely.23:45
FlannelLjL: yeah, we're going ask, and if he refuses, its expired so we can just take it over.  But nicer to ask first, etc.23:45
geniiThere's meetings?23:45
LjLFlannel: it's not expired.23:46
FlannelLjL: it was at the meeting23:46
LjLFlannel: it's not now.23:46
Flannelgenii: We're supposed to have them, yeah.  We've dropped the ball recently.23:47
geniiFlannel: OK. No one told about this23:48
LjLgenii: rest assured you'll find it in the topic if a meeting is scheduled.23:48
geniiOK, good :)23:48
Flannelyeah, it'll be hard to miss.  Mailing list too23:48
LjLand on the ML for that matter23:48
* LjL reboots, out of disk space for a change23:49
geniiI'm not certain if I'm on the mailing list23:49
geniiWas this done auto by my LP ?23:49
LjLsubscription is open iirc23:49
genii(I'm not a member of any groups there)23:49
Flannelgenii: no, ML and LP are separate23:51
geniiML = ?23:51
Flannelgenii: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-irc23:51
FlannelMailing List23:51
geniiAh, OK23:51
FlannelEr,23:51
Flannelyeah, thats the right list23:52
geniiSubscribed23:53
FlannelHow can we help you BIYJAMGe?23:53
Flanneloh23:53
Flannelnevermind23:53
stdinsomeone do "!test > stdin (see message from ubotu)" for me23:55
Myrtti!test > stdin (blah)23:55
ubottustdin, please see my private message23:55
stdinno, not that23:55
stdinneeds "(see message from ubotu)"23:55
Myrttihold on23:55
Myrtti!test > stdin (see message from ubotu)23:55
stdinwell, I think I fixed it23:56
stdinthanks Myrtti :)23:56
Myrttinp23:56
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