[00:08] genii: try "@hostmask add" (as genii not genii-around) [00:08] that should teach the bot your hostmask [00:19] stdin: They are currently on 2 different connections, will this matter? [00:20] no as long as the hostmask (cloak) is the same [00:20] OK [00:20] @hostmask add [00:20] The operation succeeded. [00:20] Hm [00:20] @login [00:20] Error: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong. [00:20] see if @whoami works [00:20] ignore @login for now [00:21] @qhoami [00:21] bleh [00:21] @whoami [00:21] Nope [00:22] ahh, I see what is is... [00:22] That genii-around is the primary? [00:22] genii: do '@hostmask add genii *!*@unaffiliated/genii' [00:22] it was using the full mask [00:23] stdin: With the primary name ( -around) or with this one? [00:23] that one ^ [00:23] as "genii" is who you are to the bot [00:23] it couldn't care less about what nickserv thinks [00:23] @hostmask add genii *!*@unaffiliated/genii [00:23] The operation succeeded. [00:23] Hm [00:24] now @whoami again [00:24] @whoami [00:24] genii [00:24] there you go, as long as you get your cloak it'll know who you are [00:24] Cool [00:25] * genii-around feeds stdin a hot beverage of his choice [00:25] * stdin looks at the clock and chooses hot chocolate [00:25] :) [01:16] @whoibe [01:18] sorry, ubottu does not understand lol-speak ;) [01:24] @whatiamiswhatiam [01:24] apparently not an Edie Brickell fan, either === Pici` is now known as Pici [02:34] favro called the ops in #kubuntu () [02:45] In ubottu, sar4j said: songbird is an open-source customizable music player based on mozilla. - http://getsongbird.com/ [03:45] @login [03:45] The operation succeeded. [03:45] * genii sips [03:45] callin' out, in transit. callin' out, in transit. [03:45] RADIO FREE EUROPE! [03:46] mneptok: Will I need a shortwave radio for that? [03:47] genii: nope, just REM's first album :) [03:47] Ah, OK :) [03:48] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA57Pafq_NU [03:49] * genii rocks out [04:07] I'm waiting now for some new arrival in #ubuntu to run one of the sample forkbombs [04:11] which samples? [04:13] [23:02:18] curious....could someone explain to me what this command actually does? :(){ :|:& };: [04:14] There may have been another one given a bit later [04:15] * genii puts on more coffee [04:25] __mikem: what's up? [04:25] <__mikem> Can you please actually inforce the no politics rules in #ubuntu-offtopic in a bi-partison manner. riotkittie gets to talk about politics till the cows come how [04:26] <__mikem> but god forbid I bring up my conservative views, suddenly everybody decides to enforce the rules [04:27] __mikem: i hardly think it's a matter of what views you hold. [04:27] <__mikem> mneptok: it sure seems like it. the point is riotkittie trolls me and he gets away with it [04:27] __mikem: Generally its only a matter of whos watching [04:27] __mikem: you can see a conspiracy anywhere if you decide you're looking for one. [04:28] <__mikem> mneptok: well even if its just a matter of who is watching, I am getting the short end of the stick [04:28] <__mikem> consistently [04:30] <__mikem> mneptok: thanks :) [04:31] when i'm the voice of reason, something is very, very wrong. [04:38] well it's usually the case that something is very, very wrong [04:38] my underpants agree === genii-2 is now known as genii-around [04:43] Bah [04:43] What is the last thing received from my other nick? [04:44] 23:14 * genii puts on more coffee [04:44] Bah [04:45] jussi01: Quassel kicked me [05:05] * genii sips [05:20] Hi hunk_, how can we help you? [05:21] nothing , thanks only look :) [05:21] (sorry for my bad eng) [05:22] hunk_: Please don't idle here. [05:23] ahhh [05:23] 0k [05:23] bye :) [05:23] Bye [05:25] * genii sips [05:55] Goodnite all [07:42] Morning all [09:28] morning [09:32] * Myrtti contemplates coffee [09:33] 12hrs of sleep... [09:33] nice [09:35] was lacking some [09:35] not used to having someone sleeping with, and snore. [09:36] I am at the moment [09:36] oh dear [09:36] now I have to get used to sleeping alone again :-< [09:37] but no snoring [09:37] mmm [09:37] I wouldn't mind it... [09:55] * jussi01 had like 14 h last night :D [09:56] i hate you both :( [10:01] elkbuntu: I'm back to 5 tomorrow, if signs are right [10:21] In ubottu, netyire said: !ubottubot is smart [10:22] * PriceChild goes travelling for a few days [10:26] ooooh, musclespasm [10:33] http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/11/6/128704411750447087.jpg [10:34] actually http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=2502755 [10:35] bwurp [10:35] lovely breakfast. [10:35] crêpes with chili filled with mince-rice-barley-cheddar mixture [10:36] breakfast dessert: french roast coffee and vanilla ice cream with cranberries and caramel sauce. [10:37] A bowl of oatibix is almost as nice. I'm sure. Or something. [10:55] heads up on bruteforce back in #ubuntu [11:25] @bansearch sexygirl [11:25] No matches found for sexygirl!n=kiosk@125.164.213.225 in any channel [11:32] hmmm [11:32] @bansearch kiosk [11:32] No matches found for kiosk!n=kiosk@125.164.214.87 in any channel [11:32] @bansearch *!*kiosk* [11:32] No matches found for *!*kiosk*!*@* in any channel [11:33] I'm sure kiosk ident has been banned [11:33] @btlogin [11:34] kiosk_!n=kiosk@125.164.202.58 [11:34] amazingly similar [11:34] kiosk!n=kiosk@125.164.213.225 [11:34] that has been kicked [11:35] 2008-09-19T09:59:00 *** kiosk (kiosk!n=kiosk@125.164.213.225) has left #ubuntu (requested by Flannel: "you should know better") [11:37] @backsearch drtroll [11:37] @bansearch drtroll [11:37] No matches found for drtroll!i=drtroll@a.unixpunk.de in any channel [11:37] I've seen that host before [11:37] Myrtti kiosk looks familer too hence the search [11:38] yup [12:02] @bancsearch *!*@59.183.113.110 [12:02] @bacsearch *!*@59.183.113.110 [12:02] @bansearch *!*@59.183.113.110 [12:02] Match: *!*@59.183.113.110 by ikonia in #ubuntu on Nov 06 2008 11:57:32 (ID: 6504) [12:02] @bansearch fcuk [12:02] Match: *!*@59.183.113.110 by ikonia in #ubuntu on Nov 06 2008 11:57:32 (ID: 6504) [12:02] @bansearch dd [12:02] No matches found for dd!*@* in any channel [12:03] @bansearch Chooth [12:03] Match: *!*@59.183.113.110 by ikonia in #ubuntu on Nov 06 2008 11:57:32 (ID: 6504) [12:04] @bansearch shreedha [12:04] No matches found for shreedha!*@* in any channel [12:16] @btlogin [12:43] check it out, dbo's active, not seen him for an age [13:07] stdin: why is ubottu answering twice to @now [13:07] @now [13:07] Current time in Etc/UTC: November 06 2008, 13:07:16 - Next meeting: LoCo Council in 4 days [13:07] Current time in Etc/UTC: November 06 2008, 13:07:16 - Next meeting: LoCo Council in 4 days [13:12] Pelo should know better... [13:14] what's with pelos attitude ? [13:16] ikonia: fail... [13:16] ? [13:17] the bancsearch's [13:17] Mez: yes, they did [13:17] as did my fingers [13:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/ has some good info now. Worth checking out to troubleshoot X issues [13:34] jussi01: you still on track for next week [13:36] he's ranting in vbox now [13:37] jrib: thanks, I updated the fixres factoid with the new layout for the xorg wiki pages [13:37] x [13:37] !x [13:37] The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution [13:39] i'm getting lots of highlights [13:39] where ? [13:41] mostly sudobash in #ubuntu, but some other joiners highlighted me on join [13:42] then pivot.net but i guess that doesn't mean much [13:45] LjL: I can't see you r name being mentioned in #ubuntu at all [13:45] ikonia: err no of course it isn't [13:45] ikonia: LjL has an enourmous list of things to be hilighted on. [13:45] duhhh [13:45] sorry, being dumb [13:46] sudobash is definitely there [13:46] Hes behaving though, for the moment. [13:46] is he known ? [13:46] as long as he doesn't start threatening to DoS someone [13:47] Or give horribly bad advice. [14:02] @now [14:02] Current time in Etc/UTC: November 06 2008, 14:02:20 - Next meeting: LoCo Council in 4 days [14:02] Myrtti: fixed [14:02] thx [14:02] what was the cause? [14:02] a missing '.' :p [14:02] stdin: What was causing it? ... took the words out of my...mouth? Fingers? [14:03] it would only repeat if you're identified to the bot [14:04] the part that checks if you're identified basically always came back as false, it called the command, then supybot itself called the command [14:09] haha [14:09] lolz [14:22] jack's in ! [14:25] hide! hide! [14:30] Run to the hills! [14:31] The Hills are Alive! [14:33] WITH THE SOUND OF MUUUUUSIIIIC [14:33] AAIIEEE [14:34] :) [14:37] * genii puts on a pot of coffee [14:39] Good morning, afternoon, or evening [14:39] Myrtti: Moin ;) [14:40] genii: moin [14:41] In ubottu, jeff008 said: it is the same [14:50] @bansearch *!*@81.178.210.42 [14:50] No matches found for *!*@81.178.210.42 in any channel [15:30] ikonia: yep, Ill be there - still figuring out whether to stop in birmingham for a few hours, but we will see. [15:30] just checking [15:31] :D [15:31] ikonia: Im still bitchin about spurs on the weekend... [15:32] can't be helped [15:32] I'm dissapointed too [15:32] yep [15:32] that was almost too well scripted [15:33] hehehe [15:33] Im packing atm, I leave in the morning [15:34] and it's the 12th your turning up on [15:34] or the 10th [15:34] until the 12 [15:34] (not got my notes [15:40] intresting. My wireless just died [15:40] but I can still access my home server [15:41] magic [15:43] perhapos you have invisible wires [15:43] this is about as funny as... [15:43] hmmm [15:43] no, can't think of anything [15:44] Mybe it's just the DNS that died [15:45] genii: how little you think of me [15:45] "iwlist wlan0 scanning" doesn't return my routers access points. [15:46] * Myrtti rolls her eyes [15:46] is your router invisible so scan won't show it [15:47] * Pici rolls Myrtti's eyes back to her [15:47] does iwconfig show the card connected ? [15:47] no it's not invisible [15:47] * ikonia throws that theory out the window [15:47] and iwconfig of course shows it, otherwise it wouldn'tbe able to scan, would it? [15:47] or in other words: [15:48] THIS THING WORKED 10 MINUTES AGO AND SOMETHING WENT WRONG!!!!11 [15:48] Myrtti I meant does it have the ESSID associated and show a connected status [15:56] Myrtti: I think the world of you :) [15:57] * Myrtti smiles [15:57] good old reboot did the trick [16:03] Anyone gonna boot the #ubuntu troll ? [16:03] which one [16:03] Or warn at least [16:03] kan c kon me quicked [16:04] Sorry the whole message. Quassel idiosyncrasy for copy, etc [16:05] He speaks English fine, just being an ass :) [16:06] Thanks ikonia [16:06] no problem [16:09] * Myrtti takes few steps back from #ubuntu [16:11] oh dear god [16:11] have people always been that unpatient and ... dense? [16:11] yahoo msn! [16:11] I'm using google skype [16:11] with my spacebook [16:12] "What browser are you using?" "I'm using the google, so naturally Internet Explorer" [16:12] AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRGGGHH [16:13] !prayer [16:13] Dear $DEITY, Give me strength to understand and work with users who question my logic, the rules, netiquette and common sense. Give me resilience to teach them the basics of Linux, Ubuntu, Community Guidelines and IRC. Allow me not to stray to nitpicking, argument, foul language or leisure op abuse. Deliver me my daily xkcd, User Friendly, LWN, /. and Planet Ubuntu, and guard over my encrypted drives. Let it be so. [16:13] the idiocy... I can feel my brain mushing up and dripping down from my ear [16:13] Yup [16:13] Momma said there'd be days like this [16:16] genii: thats a line from a song ? [16:17] ikonia: Maybe [16:17] which song? [16:17] I know it [16:18] but can't think [16:19] "Momma Said" - The Shirelles [16:19] maybe, not what I was thinking though [16:19] lenny kravitz, momma said, thats what I was thinking [16:20] Morrison had one with similar lyrics as well [16:21] * genii hums "Momma Told me Not to Come" by 3 Dog Night instead [16:21] ;) [16:22] I'll strangle that noksious over ethernet soon [16:23] I don't remember seeing an RFC for that one [16:23] he's not go long left [16:24] "I have a problem" [16:24] "OH REALLY?!" [16:25] "LET ME TELL YOU THE WAYS OF PROBLEMS, MY FRIEND!" [16:25] * Myrtti facepalms [16:25] ;_____; [16:25] aaaarrggghhghghghghg [16:32] He likely installed it from some tarball [16:32] Where? [16:35] noksious (sp?) and his Empathy issue [16:35] I hope he doesn't come back. [16:36] I'm sorry, but I do. [16:54] Bizarre. Go all in ass, fat creature! [16:54] one goon? [16:54] Is it a full moon today? [16:54] haha [16:54] bazhang: Yes, exactly [16:54] he is gone soon [16:56] hrm, What welse might I have forgotten for my trip... [16:56] what else* [17:03] jussi01: mp3 player ? [17:03] genii: check! [17:04] extra Ubuntu CDs to hand out and promote? ;) [17:04] hrm, got none atm... [17:05] * genii sips [17:05] I know there is something Ive forgotten... [17:06] Just remember your passport [17:07] got that :D [17:07] thankfully I live only like 5k from the airport [17:07] 5km's, dear. [17:08] Myrtti: shut up [17:08] :D [17:08] and come on skype [17:08] :D [17:08] * Myrtti grunts, gets a microphone [17:18] * Myrtti pokes jussi01 [18:11] PriceChild: you around? [18:59] Can I suggest a factoid change for !spanish ? [18:59] suggest away [19:00] To mention #ubuntu-ve (Venezuela) #ubuntu-mx (Mexico) #ubuntu-cu (Cuba) #ubuntu-br (Brazil) [19:01] Brazil is not spanish though [19:02] Fair enough, but you get the idea :) [19:03] !es [19:03] En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es. [19:03] Pici: !es can stay since it's Spain's tld which is correct for the factoid context [19:04] But es is also espanol [19:04] !ca [19:04] Canadian Ubuntu users can be found in #ubuntu-ca [19:04] * genii sips [19:04] !en [19:04] The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat [19:05] !br [19:05] Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado. [19:09] There is also puerto rico , dominican republic, belize, costa rica, guatemala,argentina, bolivia, and other countries which speak spanish [19:09] At least a couple of those have channels here [19:16] Pici: Maybe at least something which refrences the complete channel list as the !en does [19:17] no please [19:17] several of the spanish channels, i think, have agreed to use #ubuntu-es for support [19:18] i suspect a few of them wouldn't even *want* to use their loco channel for support, they want it as a loco channel period [19:18] LjL: Ah, OK. This I was not aware of [19:18] it's not like there are hundreds of spanish-speaking supporters, there's few enough of them in *one* channel [19:18] if someone is looking for mexicans or the mexican loco team, then by all means use !mx but if they're looking for support, -es is the preferred place [19:20] LjL: A few times I've had indignant Spanish-speakers people from south american countries point out to me they were *not* from spain when the !es is used :) [19:21] Since then I attempted to point them to their local channel where possible, but if these are only being ised as loco channels and not support then status quo I suppose [19:21] genii: should have asked them where exactly does it say in the factoid that the channel is only for spaniards [19:22] genii: and i'd personally much rather have language-specific support channels separate from loco channels [19:22] LjL: I think the confusion comes from the TLD for spain being also .es [19:22] genii: but that'd require a complete overhaul of things and a lot of problems [19:23] genii: yes, as a matter of fact #ubuntu-es *is*, nominally, the Spanish loco's team channel [19:23] genii: but ironically they have #ubuntu-es-loco for actual loco stuff [19:24] genii: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/Coordination the part where it talks about loco channels [19:24] -fi is for finnish support [19:24] Myrtti, it's easy with finnish because finland is the only country that speaks finnish [19:25] -fi-tiimit is for the active people in the loco for ... hold on [19:25] thought broke [19:25] scheduling events etc. [19:25] yes, the loco channel [19:25] Interesting [19:26] -fi-offtopic for idle chatter etc [19:26] problem is, at least one of the problems - if several countries speak the same language, which loco channel provides support? [19:26] even if loco channels and support channels were more clearly separated systematically, that problem would remain [19:26] es for support [19:27] es_ES for the Spanish loco ;-) [19:27] j/k [19:27] genii: that document was mostly written by me and basically it codifies what was already there. i thought it might give an idea how delicate this can be [19:27] Myrtti, or #ubuntu-spanish for support. that's what #ubuntu-arabic has done (still, i don't just *love* that, because you have to use cumbersome english names) [19:28] but still, who *manages* the support channel, no matter what it's called? [19:28] and just scattering support among N different loco channels is, well, a terrible solution. imnsho. [19:32] * genii sips his coffee and ruminates on the dilemma [19:32] rhum? [19:32] where? [19:33] Hehe [19:33] Myrtti: I thought you were the cider crowd ;) [19:34] rhum with lime juice is nom [19:35] Nini everyone, Im off travelling, so probably wont check in for a few days [19:35] tata dearie [19:35] take care [19:35] thanks, I will [19:36] jussi01: Safe travels [19:37] thanks [21:46] In #ubuntu, winterelf said: ubottu : if there is any [23:05] mneptok: anyway, a general linux compatibility db would be cool for sure, but also very ambitious a project. i was thinking more in terms of just ubuntu, because if you're confined to ubuntu, you can do something like pop up a window after two weeks the user's been running Ubuntu and ask "so, now if you've got time for a survey, we'd like you to rate your hardware compatibility so it other users can draw from that" [23:06] again wikis are nice but you need to actually know about them, know how to use them and remember to go write something about your hardware on them [23:06] what percentage of users does that? [23:08] Well, we have the hardware ... compatability program whatever in admin, right? or whereever it is now. [23:08] Cant we just add to that a comments section? [23:08] Flannel: yes, it's very limited though [23:08] there are comments already [23:08] * Flannel has no idea if there already is a comments section. [23:09] LjL: So, cant we just expand that to get actual feedback? and then grep those feedbacks? [23:09] yes, expanding that program is what i'm thinking about [23:09] i think it ideally needs to be as comprehensive as the !hardware wiki in scope [23:10] of course that's not easy to achieve (and may actually be counter-productive if done wrongly, since a user will never want to answer 256 questions about their hardware... i wonder how many answer that half-a-dozen there is) [23:10] LjL: I agree, except we can get their hardware information from lspci, etc. So, I mean, you could even have it prompt them (with radio buttons for canned responses): "How well does your video driver work?" "How do you like your sound?" [23:10] indeed [23:10] but thats subjective [23:11] although care needs to be taken to avoid nagscreens [23:11] LjL: its voluntary, if we make the program work better for us (more info), and then start a campaign to get people to do it... [23:11] Seeker`: many subjective ratings make up a survey, surveys are useful [23:11] "my video card works great" and "issues with applications x,y,z, no compiz" could come from the same computer [23:11] nothing wrong with that [23:11] Seeker`: You can have radio buttons for people to not have to type lots (since for a good deal of them, I imagine it'd be "I haven't noticed" or "I dont know") and then they can comment more if they have specifics [23:12] Seeker`: Whats wrong with that? It works except with those apps and compiz [23:13] LjL: I say ditch the nag screen, the "how can we get people to do the test" is a social problem and as such, shouldn't have a technological solution [23:13] Flannel: I mean if you have something other than "works" or "doesn't work", you'll probably get a spectrum of answers [23:13] Seeker`: And whats wrong with that? [23:13] LjL: there's also System>Admin>Hardware Testing [23:13] mneptok: I thinkthats what we're talking about [23:13] LjL: that funnels stuff to Marc here in this office. [23:13] mneptok, that is the utility i referred to in my question - and the one we're basically talking about now [23:14] LjL: A good deal of people would be willing to take 30 minutes to fill out a survey to help Ubuntu (and really, thats what they're doing, giving back) [23:14] Flannel: so if you rate how well it works from 1 to 5, i could forsee getting 20% of responses for each answer [23:14] mneptok: but there's two things missing from it: 1) having its output accessible in an easily browsable hardware list 2) making it much more comprehensive because computers don't just have a keyboard, mouse and screen [23:15] Seeker`: Not a spectrum of responses, but word ones. Theyre somewhat orthogonal, and only there to save people from having to type "I don't know" 20 times. [23:16] That is, not "Rate your hardware from 1 to 5" [23:16] mneptok: in other words, again, imagine the !hardware page, but populated *not* with stuff manually input in a wiki, but with responses that users have been requested by a nice, user-friendly little program [23:16] LjL: if you get me a proposal of how it could be made more efficient or provide better output, i'll get that to the right people [23:17] In #ubuntu-irc, jspiro said: ubottu, no, ask is If you have a question, just ask. For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Ubuntu version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask: always ask the whole channel. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or at www.ubu [23:18] jspiro: How can we help you? [23:19] mneptok: well a very concrete proposal (although i think there is something like this, i miss the URL right now, but it didn't look like being very working) is, just make the gathered data available to everyone on a site in percentage form. [23:19] Flannel: I submitted a huge change request regarding !ask to the bot. I am curious to know if it will be approved. But now that you mention it, I will retire to #ubuntu-irc instead. [23:19] mneptok: i type in "sound blaster super-ear-destroyer", and it tells me that 70% of users who have that card reported it working [23:20] .... [23:23] In ubottu, zsquareplusc said: !no, upgrade is For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes and http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading [23:24] In #ubuntu-irc, jspiro said: ubottu, example is Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Ubuntu version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." [23:27] In #ubuntu-irc, jspiro said: ubottu: no, details is Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., my computer did: ..., but I expected it to do ..." [23:28] * genii sips a coffee [23:41] * mneptok flips a donkey [23:44] LjL: We're supposed to ask. [23:44] Or, someone is. [23:44] Flannel: are you talking about ubotu? [23:44] LjL: indeed [23:45] Flannel: actually, i reminded seveas some time ago that he had let the nickname expire. [23:45] It was discussed at a meeting... the last one I think [23:45]