| wgrant | I wonder if we might want to add a button in the recovery mode menu to remove ~/.config/monitors.xml. | 01:48 |
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| james_w | wgrant: good idea | 01:54 |
| james_w | wgrant: or maybe make it automatic | 01:54 |
| wgrant | I'm for now just going to add that hint to X/Config/Resolution. | 01:54 |
| wgrant | james_w: How could it be automatic? | 01:54 |
| wgrant | g-display-properties also needs to prompt before it sets a res permanently. I wonder where that feature went... | 01:55 |
| james_w | don't add a button, just rm the file when recovery mode starts up | 01:55 |
| james_w | yeah, it will be a false positive from time to time, but not that often will it? | 01:55 |
| james_w | upstream didn't like the prompt so they dropped it, and we never resurrected the patch | 01:56 |
| wgrant | It would be a bit strange to have simply booting into recovery mode fix the problem. | 01:56 |
| wgrant | Eww. | 01:56 |
| wgrant | They didn't like it!? | 01:56 |
| james_w | apparently | 01:56 |
| wgrant | If they won't fix it, I will. | 01:56 |
| james_w | I think there's a bug open on it | 01:56 |
| james_w | there's certainly a launchpad one | 01:56 |
| bryce | yeah I like the idea of something to remove monitors.xml | 02:37 |
| bryce | I'm not sure about removing it automatically vs. a button | 02:37 |
| wgrant | I've only had to advise a few people on ubuntuforums about it so far. | 02:38 |
| wgrant | Far more common are the complaints about the removal of displayconfig-gtk. | 02:38 |
| bryce | heh, people are actually complaining about that? | 02:39 |
| bryce | I wonder if the number of those complaints outweigh the number that were complaining of its brokenness | 02:39 |
| wgrant | It is by far the most common complain on ubuntuforums. | 02:39 |
| wgrant | s/complain/complaint/ | 02:39 |
| wgrant | I'm hoping your X/Config/Resolution will help. | 02:40 |
| bryce | I hope it does too, and I also hope users will assist in improving the docs | 02:41 |
| bryce | even better would be if they helped tseliot build on x-kit | 02:42 |
| bryce | but I can understand many probably lack the time/tech to do that, so at least working on docs would be a good way to help their fellows out | 02:43 |
| wgrant | We really need more people from somewhere. | 02:44 |
| bryce | yep | 02:46 |
| bryce | I used to participate in ubuntuforums myself a while back, but there's only so many info streams I can keep up | 02:47 |
| bryce | +with | 02:47 |
| bryce | plus even though I was trying to focus discussions towards constructive testing, it ended up people kept using/hijacking the thread for bug reporting | 02:48 |
| bryce | wgrant: well the good news is that since I started, we seem to have accumulated +1-2 active ubuntu-x techies per release | 02:49 |
| bryce | wgrant: I've really appreciated having your involvement lately, it's a big help | 02:50 |
| wgrant | bryce: I try to track the devel forum to watch things that might crop up, but it gets insane at about T-2weeks. | 02:50 |
| wgrant | Hah. I've been very little help in Intrepid, but I'll be better for Jaunty. | 02:50 |
| wgrant | Exams finish in two weeks, then 3.5 months off. | 02:50 |
| bryce | superm1: we've got EPR's! :-) https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/fglrx/+bugs | 03:04 |
| bryce | wgrant: kewl :-) | 03:04 |
| bryce | wgrant: can you point me at some of the displayconfig-gtk complaints? I skimmed around but didn't spot them | 03:05 |
| bryce | I did see some issues relating to resolutions | 03:05 |
| wgrant | Well, there are lots relating to resolutions. | 03:05 |
| wgrant | Lots and lots and lots. | 03:05 |
| wgrant | And a fair few about displayconfig-gtk. I'll dig some up soon. | 03:06 |
| bryce | great thanks | 03:06 |
| wgrant | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=965866, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=964212, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=966429, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=96426 are some recent ones. | 03:13 |
| wgrant | There are more in the intrepid forum itself. | 03:13 |
| wgrant | Is the proper solution to work out what's wrong with their EDID and quirk it? Or are people just going to have to continue to set things manually? | 03:17 |
| bryce | thanks | 03:39 |
| bryce | if we can solve it with quirks, that's the ideal | 03:40 |
| bryce | there will be some cases that are unquirkable though | 03:40 |
| bryce | and some (hopefully rare) cases where EDID is not available at all, that they'll have to configure manually | 03:41 |
| wgrant | Of course. | 03:42 |
| bryce | yep, so all of these sound like invalid EDID situations | 03:45 |
| wgrant | Is there anything better than get-edid | parse-edid? | 03:48 |
| bryce | 194760 is the master | 03:48 |
| bryce | I'd love to know how to close that one | 03:49 |
| wgrant | bug #194760 | 03:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 194760 in xorg-server "EDID fail" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194760 | 03:49 |
| bryce | ddcprobe is another way to get monitor settings | 03:50 |
| bryce | xrandr --verbose also prints EDID | 03:50 |
| wgrant | I couldn't work out how to get xrandr's EDID output into parse-edid. | 03:50 |
| wgrant | Wait, so that bug is about the monitor not reporting an EDID at all? | 03:53 |
| wgrant | Ah, no. | 03:53 |
| wgrant | It's just a bit confusing and long. | 03:53 |
| bryce | parse-edid works only on the raw binary produced by get-edid. I don't know if xrandr's edid can be put into it, but it'd require converting it to binary | 03:54 |
| wgrant | I tried converting it to binary, but it still didn't work. Mrh. | 03:54 |
| * wgrant needs to learn more about X video stuff eventually. | 03:59 | |
| wgrant | bryce: Why isn't X/Config/* on help.u.c? | 05:09 |
| bryce | wgrant: I want to keep the X documentation organized in one place | 05:18 |
| wgrant | bryce: Ah, but user docs are meant to be on help.u.c/community. | 05:24 |
| bryce | then they should write them | 05:25 |
| bryce | if I have to write them, then they're going on wiki.ubuntu.com where I can maintain them all together easily | 05:25 |
| wgrant | Ahh. | 05:25 |
| wgrant | I see. | 05:25 |
| tjaalton | hmm so there are two hotels being used during UDS? wiki talks about Wild Palms and the invitation mentions Domain Hotel | 07:29 |
| wgrant | tjaalton: I've only heard about the latter. | 07:36 |
| tjaalton | wgrant: maybe it's booked already, and Wild Palms is for non-sponsored guests.. who knows | 07:38 |
| wgrant | That's quite possible. | 07:38 |
| wgrant | I wonder when they're going to assign rooms. | 07:39 |
| wgrant | Is in mildly active Ubuntu X person not going to UDS? | 07:45 |
| wgrant | bryce: Erm, X has EDID issues. | 09:07 |
| wgrant | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=969014 | 09:07 |
| wgrant | That EDID looks fine. | 09:07 |
| wgrant | But X gives a dodgy res. | 09:07 |
| wgrant | Oh. Hmm. | 09:09 |
| wgrant | I was looking at the wrong monitor's xrandr output. Damn. | 09:09 |
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| superm1 | bryce, wgrant, update to the proposed kernel and that keyrepeating issue affecting dell laptops should be handled | 20:52 |
| superm1 | (there is still something wrong with the OSD, but far less critical) | 20:52 |
| bryce | superm1: excellent | 20:53 |
| bryce | superm1: did you see my message about getting bug #'s from intel on the 4 upstreamed bugs? | 20:53 |
| bryce | er | 20:53 |
| superm1 | s/intel/AMD/ | 20:53 |
| superm1 | yeah | 20:53 |
| bryce | s/intel/amd/ | 20:53 |
| superm1 | that's great to hear | 20:53 |
| superm1 | so every public release we'll be able to close out the appropriate ones etc | 20:53 |
| bryce | yep | 20:54 |
| superm1 | i anticipate there will be a demand for backports too for some of these, and i think the way the driver package is put together now, backports are feasible | 20:54 |
| superm1 | eg into the backports repo | 20:54 |
| * bryce nods | 20:55 | |
| bryce | unfortunately, I also noticed on at least a couple of these bugs, that the activity on the issue stirred up users to start posting questions about unrelated issues to them | 20:56 |
| superm1 | well i think you run into that everywhere though when too many people subscribe to a bug | 20:57 |
| superm1 | eg bug 59695 | 20:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 59695 in dell "High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59695 | 20:58 |
| pwnguin | sigh | 21:10 |
| pwnguin | something x related seems to be causing kernel panics | 21:10 |
| bryce | superm1: yeah could be | 21:19 |
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