[00:25] after installing with wubi, how do you access the windows "partition"? [00:26] nvmd i found it [00:26] there is a folder in the / directory called /host [00:31] vidd, you might want to look at epiphany or k-meleon [00:34] Bumphead, k-melon is windows-based.... [00:35] that wont even run on my system =\ [00:40] any other light weight suggestions? [00:42] what about midori [00:42] kazahakse [00:42] kazehakase [00:45] is kazehakase in the repos? [00:45] !find kazahakase [00:45] !find kazehakase [00:45] hmm.. [00:46] !info kazehakase [00:46] kazehakase (source: kazehakase): GTK+-base web browser that allows pluggable rendering engines. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.4-2.1ubuntu3 (intrepid), package size 652 kB, installed size 1856 kB [00:46] yep [00:46] webkit/gtkhtml support is planned in the future... [00:48] well....im out guys [00:53] planning to install xubuntu on my old pc later [00:54] I would like to know is there are software in linux that is similar to photoshop? [00:54] or should i just install wineo on my xubuntu then install photoshop\ [00:55] anyone? [00:59] anyone here? [00:59] need help bout something [01:00] atom_fox: I don´t know what you are doing, but here is some info on photoshop: [01:00] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Photos/LinuxAndPhotography [01:01] thanks men [01:01] atom_fox: check this one, too - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Photos [01:33] Anyone else having periodic lockups in this new xubuntu ibex? [02:47] what are the chances this board: P5N7A-VM will also work on Ubuntu the way it did on Fedora 9 -- http://www.linux-tested.com/results/asus_p5n7a-vm.html [02:56] hello, i was wonder what xubuntu uses for networking, mainly wifi. to configure that is [03:06] does xubuntu have a livecd thingie ? [03:06] I don't use wifi but this should help Syco54645_AAO [03:06] !wifi [03:06] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [03:06] SimplySeth: yes [03:06] !xubuntu [03:06] Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels [04:06] abiword isn't handling my office docs nicely and I can't find a howto to get it sorted - is there a link that someone can share? [04:08] Alo! I want to install xubuntu in my brothers pc, but the cd driver is not working. There is another way to install it? [04:10] OG1: you can from usb and others [04:10] !install [04:10] Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate [04:13] I was trying to change the boot order to install it from usb, but it doesn't have USB on the list [04:15] OG1: Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs [04:15] I fixed my abiword issue - a quick hack was needed... [05:28] hi ! ^^ [06:30] hi guys need help [06:31] is it possible to install xubuntu on an extarnel hard disk without destroying the current hd inside our computer [06:31] because i'm using a family use computer [06:31] i wanted to try xubuntu but all i have is my own usb hard disk [06:31] hope to hear from you guys [06:31] thanks [06:32] you can - things to watch out for are the partition you install to and that you put grub on the external [06:32] if you want to boot without the external attached [06:32] it should be possible, but getting it to boot make be tricky [06:33] our pc supports booting from usb [06:33] but i'm worried i might overwrite the hard disk inside our pc [06:34] i'm thinking to disable the hard disk first then try to boot from the cd so all i have is the external hard disk [06:34] is that better? [06:34] ?? [06:34] you could unplug the internal while you install [06:35] ok [06:35] after i installed on my external hd, will run like a live cd? or it will run like a normal hd? [06:37] ?? [06:38] the install will be an install - a normal os [06:38] ok thanks... [06:38] np [06:38] wait.. [06:38] ^_^ [06:38] . [06:39] can i make a partition on my external hd? [06:39] that's part of the install process [06:39] it will give a choice to use the whole disk or do it yourself manually [06:40] ok thanks again [06:40] see you [06:40] atom_fox: just a though, but it sounds like you don't have a backup of this system? Attempting a pretty complex install without a good backup is a bad idea. Particuarly if you aren't already familar with how the installer works [06:40] i'll try on that now [06:40] you can ask here anytime [06:40] thanks [06:40] my external drive has nothing on it [06:40] it has 160GB [06:41] i just wanted to make a partition so i could use some space for storage of my files in windows [06:41] thanks again guys [06:41] see you around [06:41] bye and good luck [07:22] in xubuntu, can i save rsa keys to gnome-keyring-manager, if i ssh them to with xfce4-terminal? i've heard this works automatically with gnome-terminal [07:26] I am not sure, but you could hack out a script really quick that simple does an ssh-add when you login [07:28] zoredache, could that script fetch the pass from gnome-keyring-manager? i rather not leave it unencrypted anywhee [07:28] +r [07:29] no, but it could fetch it from you [07:29] well eh, that's not quite usable either [07:29] even my password is something i don't want to type over and over again :P [07:30] you only time it when you login, not each time you use it [07:30] yes, i know. but even once per login is too much [07:31] hrm.. [07:39] i have to go now, see you later [08:27] hello [08:28] how to deactive tasklist sorting [08:28] by name? [08:29] tegshee: what do you call tasklist sorting - I don't know that term - what uses it? [08:31] window name list === ablomen_ is now known as ablomen [08:58] hello [08:58] !hi [08:58] Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [09:00] when ever i restart my computer, xubuntu doesnt remember the position of the panels... every time both the top and the bottom panel (the default ones) appear at the bottom of the screen, anyone knows how i can fix this ? [09:03] burim: what does ls -la ./.config in terminal return? - any mention of root? [09:03] nope [09:04] k [09:05] i do have xfce4 there, and i think im using emerald, dont they conflict? [09:06] are you using compiz? [09:06] yes [09:06] well [09:06] !compiz [09:06] Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion [09:06] oh ok thanks [09:07] they do conflict [09:57] hi all [09:59] do u know the name of the ubuntu application to burn an iso image in a pendrive and make it bootable ? [09:59] ubuntu 8.10 has it ... but xubuntu seems not [09:59] !install | aLeSD [09:59] aLeSD: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate [09:59] aLeSD: there are some howtos [12:16] if i upgrade the distro through the update manger, will I keep my data? [12:20] homebrewcider: that is the idea behind it yes - but it is always wise to make a backup [12:20] !backup [12:20] There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning [12:21] cool [12:21] cheers [12:21] it is cool :) === ablomen_routerDi is now known as ablomen [15:27] Hei. I have a little question. I tried to look for man 3 select, but it didn't found it. Neither is there a manulal for stdio.h or man 3 printf. So the question is, which package has manpages? [15:27] joakim12: all I can ask here is what are you trying to find ? [15:27] joakim12, usuall [package]-doc [15:28] joakim12: also man-pages-dev [15:28] joakim12: you have to install the man pages for dev [15:32] Thank you. I got it with package manpages-dev. "apt-get install manpages-dev " resolved my problem. === dan`worstdayever is now known as danopia[serverle === danopia[serverle is now known as danopia`noserver [15:59] hello, i just installed xubuntu and i get a fairly obvious sort of blur/ghosting [15:59] how can i fix this? [16:01] that makes me think the vid card drivers aren't right - tried the restricted drivers manager? [16:03] its a radeon 9200se, apparantly the proprietary drivers dont work for it, so im using the open-source drivers... although the same thing was happening in the vesa driver [16:07] are you using the ati driver? - is it listed in /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the device section? [16:07] yes [16:08] called "ati" but also i had the same thing when i had "vesa" or whatver its called in their [16:09] did you make that entry? - and restart X ? - ctrl+alt+bkspace [16:09] yes [16:09] k [16:11] the 9200 is an old card - are you using 8.10? [16:11] !version [16:11] To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell - To know the available version of a package, « apt-cache policy » [16:12] lsb_release -a » in a !shell [16:13] yeah im using 8.10 [16:16] you might be best off using the ati driver - tried that? [16:16] fglrx ? [16:18] no ati - it is in the kernel already [16:18] isnt that what im using [16:19] i've got "ati" as the driver in xorg.conf [16:19] the ati isn't propetary [16:20] yeah thats what im using ? [16:20] the open source ati driver [16:22] ooh [16:22] looks like i found the problem T_T [16:23] the vga extension cable seems to be causing it [16:23] ohh - it is h/ware? [16:23] yeah looks like it [16:23] moncojhr: it's probably not supported in xubuntu ;) [16:23] i put the box in my cubboard [16:23] well done :) [16:24] and bought a vga extension cable [16:24] seems to be introducing the ghosting [16:24] maybe its shitty quality... hmmmmm [16:24] !language | moncojhr [16:24] moncojhr: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [16:25] moncojhr: I find if the network cable is touching the vga cable, i get video interference [16:25] moncojhr: I would swear about it too - just not type it [16:34] actually i dont get it when its loading up [16:36] or maybe i just cant see it on the black [16:44] in lspci it says my secondary device on my gfx card is 1:00.01 [16:44] what would i put in BusID in xorg.conf [16:46] anyone here using conky? === Coder365_ is now known as Coder365_`afk === Coder365_`afk is now known as Coder365_ === Coder365_ is now known as Coder365_`afk === Coder365_`afk is now known as Coder365_ [18:14] Coder365_: i use conky. [18:17] Odd-rationale, i got my problem figured out [18:17] thx though [18:17] cool. [19:09] hi guys [19:09] i just installed xubuntu, but for some reason its not shutting down completly [19:09] rien-ne-va-plus, hello [19:10] it turns off the hard disk and everything but the cpu fan stays on [19:10] is that some kind of acpi problem? [19:10] rien-ne-va-plus, are you hitting "Quit" and then hitting [enter]? [19:11] or are you clicking the "shutdown" option? [19:11] im using the quit symbol next to the clock and then i choose shutdown [19:12] is this a laptop or a desktop? [19:12] desktop [19:12] old one [19:12] duron 1000mhz [19:12] with sdram [19:12] does typing "sudo shutdown -h 0" give you the same results? [19:14] i will try that in a minute [19:14] right now i cant seem to find my w-lan [19:21] rien-ne-va-plus, what kind of wifi card? [19:22] hi ya [19:23] where does sun-java6-jre put the java plugin? [19:23] vidd: i just tried an usb adapter which worked fine, im using a msi pci adapter which is being recognized as mini pci card [19:23] I've got a strange but possibly really small problem: my update manager wont give me any notice about the new 8.10 upgrade (i've got hardy heron) [19:23] so what to do? [19:24] well must be some error with the antenna or the adapter [19:24] jurtti, it wont....hardy is long-term-support.... [19:24] jurtti, you need to open terminal and type "update-manager -d" [19:25] rien-ne-va-plus, what does lspci say your card is? [19:26] vidd: will tell you in a minute. just tried the shutdown command. gives the same result. screen and hdd turning off, fan and LED still on. only react to hard-off and hard-reset [19:26] vidd: ha, how stupid of as i just did the same thing with ubuntu some time ago. thank you for reminding me! :D [19:27] jurtti, i asked the same thing myself [19:27] rien-ne-va-plus, then it is likely a bios setting [19:27] rien-ne-va-plus, did windows have the same issue? [19:27] vidd: already tried to check that, couldnt figure out what to change though [19:28] i know some really old computers had this issue [19:28] vidd: not afaicr [19:28] its been on windows for quite a while w/o that issue thats for sure [19:29] vidd: I'be been using ubuntu/xubuntu only for a few weeks. I sure hope it's going a bit more nicely in the future. but thanks -> got to get the upgrade started [19:30] rien-ne-va-plus, you might want to google your MOBO for bios configuration [19:30] vidd: about the network problem: might be a driver issue: it recognizes "RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01)" [19:31] vidd: the MOBO is really bad, its a pcchips noname, noname chipset... tried finding a newer bios couple of times, cause this one has issues with athlon XP... [19:32] vidd: the card im using is a MSI PCI r54g2 card... dont know if thats supposed to work with that driver [19:32] rien-ne-va-plus, for the wifi...you have restricted drivers turned on? (im not familiar with that specific card) [19:33] ive changed nothing in the config, just installed xubuntu couple of days ago [19:33] rien-ne-va-plus, so it worked with linux b4? [19:34] ive got the same adapter in a computer running kubuntu 8.10 and it works [19:34] at least i think [19:34] will check [19:36] * vidd does not like the network manager that ships with ubuntu...he uses wicd instead [19:39] alright, so kubuntu recognizes an adapter of exactly the same type without problems... [19:39] will check the antennas === Coder365_ is now known as Coder365_`[afk] === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla [20:00] vidd: well strange the card works OK with the same driver in another system running kubuntu 8.10 [20:02] the exact same card? [20:02] same model [20:03] rien-ne-va-plus, try swapping the cards [20:03] it may be a hardware issue [20:09] vidd: yeah that would suck [20:09] ill check it later... gotta go now [20:09] vidd: thanks for your help [20:13] anyone here use wine for any apps ? [20:13] sure. [20:15] Hi, I'm new to Xubuntu and have a question, is this the right forum? [20:16] Erion, yes this is [20:17] when I try to install, or run from the cd my screen blinks black. Does I do anything wrong? [20:19] Erion, you probably do not have enough ram to run the live cd [20:19] knome: how do you change the theme ? to a more better looking one ? [20:19] how much do I need? The computer has 512M [20:19] i mena it has a winndows look to it but its a really bad looking win95 [20:29] batcoder-7, well it's what wine emulated apps look. [20:30] knome: i have seen screenshots and they look better [20:30] 2ndly knome wine is not emulation ;) [20:31] how can i get an output with info about my motherboard? name, model, etc... i'm using xubuntu 6.06 [20:32] hey my applicaiton menu disappeared [20:32] how can i add it back ? [20:34] all i have is *places* [20:34] what is the application menu called ? [20:34] xfce Menu [20:35] ok [20:35] whew [20:36] my system doesnt seem to run as light after the 8.10 upgrade dont know why and maybe its just me [20:36] That's because 8.10 is a bit more bloated. [20:37] i see [20:37] like is it running more stuff ? [20:38] batcoder-7: I can't swear to it, but I think it is. I agree, when I did a beta of 8.10, it seemed much heavier. [20:39] Is there a problem with radeon graphic cards? [20:42] Hey, I'm a semi-new Ubuntu user, trying to install Xubuntu on an older PC we had laying about, and the installation keeps stalling. I'm unable to resize any partitions, and when I just used one of the existing (but empty) ones, it stopped while "configuring system locales" (78%). I've reburned the image at a lower speed, had it check the CD for faults... I'm stumped. :X [20:43] Sajuta, live, alt or mini install? [20:43] From a LiveCD. [20:43] vidd: ^ [20:43] Sajuta, use the alt or the mini [20:43] vidd: What are the differences? [20:44] the alt and the mini use a different partitioner and less memory to do what is needed [20:45] Ah... hm. I'll have to give that a try, then. Thanks! [20:45] the alt is a full disk with all repos on the disk, and the mini gets all the files from the internet during install [20:46] Ah, well, it's wired to the network. Shouldn't be any problems that way (I hope, LOL). [20:46] then i'd use the mini [20:46] !netinstall [20:46] Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate [20:47] knome, whats the ! for the mini iso? [20:47] !mini [20:47] The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [20:47] Very neat. I had been wondering if you could do something like that! [20:48] * vidd loves the mini [20:48] lets you install all flavors from one ,10mb disk [20:48] *<10mb [20:50] Wow. That is handy! If only I had more people to convert. ^_^ At the moment just working on getting my mom into it. I'm glad there's something easy enough even she can understand it. [20:56] vidd, x) [20:57] i got alot of programs i didnt need on this machine [20:57] i used the live cd [20:57] Wow, downloaded and burnt already. I cross my fingers this works. [20:57] batcoder-7, that is because the wonderful folks who hold the power have decided that you need to install all the recommends by default [20:59] vidd, "wonderful" without a single bit of sarcasm? [20:59] i see [20:59] knome, i plead the fifth [20:59] when i went from 8.04 to 8.10 i saw a noticeable speed / performance difference [20:59] this is osme old hardware but still [21:00] batcoder-7: can you elaborate? is it boot time, program load, etc? [21:00] vidd, woot? (didn't get the point, might be because i'm not a native english speaker?) [21:00] batcoder-7, on my relic, i installed the base system, turned off install recommends and built up from there [21:01] --> [21:01] knome, the fifth ammendment to the USA contitution is the right to protection from self-incrimination [21:01] vidd, k :P [21:01] hmm [21:02] just when i upgraded it seems lk its using more cpu and ram [21:02] but i didnt measure last time so i couldt be for sure [21:02] but it sure feels like it [21:02] batcoder-7, did you turn on the encryption? [21:02] dont think so [21:02] batcoder-7: would you mind sharing your hardware specs? [21:02] if it did i didn't [21:03] dcolish: celeron 2.8 - 512 ram ;) [21:03] im about to get a new computer but yea [21:03] did you install xubuntu directly? [21:03] yea [21:03] i installed 8.04 [21:03] batcoder-7, that is old???? [21:03] was very fast and light [21:03] ill pay for shipping =] [21:04] this is still fast i guess [21:04] but not as fast / light as that oen was [21:04] beats my 1.4 and 1.2, not to mention 400Mhz [21:04] just a regular xubuntu with nothing running but xfce manager and services it ran is like 230 mb of ram [21:04] vidd: very old [21:04] 03? [21:05] i got it in 2003 i think [21:05] batcoder-7, newer then all but one of my systems (and i have 8 working) [21:05] where you live ? [21:05] PA, USA [21:05] i see [21:05] * charlie-tca only got 5 systems [21:05] i got 2 [21:05] and a few old pos [21:06] 400 mhz p3 etc [21:06] batcoder-7: my sense is that the kernel is using swap much more extensively in 8.10 than in 8.04. If you look at vmstat 1 100 and do some heavy processing you should see the swap number change alot [21:06] its not that bad so im not complaing that much [21:07] well you're not the only one talking up, the difference in speed from systems with low ram appears to be common [21:07] VERY common [21:07] I tried upgrading from the update manager, it worked all night, gave me some message about failing to get firefox update, but seems to have achieved nothing. It still says "new distibution release is available" [21:08] homebrewcider, you might want to consider the "server upgrade" method [21:08] vidd: did you se the phoronix articles? [21:08] server upgrade? why? [21:08] not it's telling me "failed to fetch cdrom" [21:08] homebrewcider, because the graphic updater seams to be dying on you [21:08] dcolish: as i said its not that bad really, but yea, will be getting a new system soon anyhow [21:08] homebrewcider, oh! [21:09] my sound isn't working... in 'cat /proc/asound/cards'-output its the first but i cant hear anything... i'm on xubuntu 6.06 [21:09] almost like its not as smooth too [21:09] the edit your sources.list and comment out (add # to the begining of the line) for the cdrom [21:09] when moving windows around it far from smooth [21:09] batcoder-7: fair enough, but linux should be decently fast on that hardware. [21:09] hope thye didnt mess with the video driver [21:09] pyntix, laptop? [21:09] this pos intel is not all so good anyways [21:10] batcoder-7: are you enabling compositing? [21:10] vidd: no, old desktop [21:10] it does help smooth things out, but uses more cpu [21:10] i didn't touch anything but what was default [21:10] vidd: but with a pretty new sound card [21:10] pyntix, you have the volume applet on the panel? [21:10] vidd: yup [21:10] I downloaded the cd last week, shall i upgrade from that instead? [21:11] pyntix, open it up and make sure the "PCM" is max'ed out [21:11] there is no pcm [21:11] homebrewcider, i wouldnt....just comment out the cd in your sources file.... /etc/apt/sources.list [21:11] vidd [21:12] pyntix, then right-click the applet and choose "properties" [21:12] pyntix: do you have alsamixer installed? [21:12] dcolish: yes [21:12] hmm, there's sources list and a dist-upgrade sources list [21:13] cool, run it from the cli [21:13] pyntix, what does the "device" say? [21:13] homebrewcider, ???? [21:13] vidd: #0: CA0106 [21:13] pyntix, are there other choices? [21:13] hmm, seemingly the same [21:14] homebrewcider, only edit the one i told you [21:14] vidd: yes, another card which i do not want to use [21:14] pyntix, humor me....select that one....any change? [21:14] top 2 lines say cdrom, do it for both? [21:15] homebrewcider, yes...comment them both out [21:16] pyntix, dont change wires....just the device (checking wires is the next test) [21:16] =] [21:16] (can anyone tell i do tech support for a living?) [21:16] ok, trying that [21:18] vidd: fyi, had an issue with sound before, where the applet did not properly represent the sound device. had to use commandline alsamixer to set it up, then applet worked. [21:19] vidd: no difference, probably because i dont have the headphones in the other card [21:20] wtf [21:20] pyntix, next....have you verified that the speakers are plugged in correctly? [21:20] vidd: yup, sure did [21:20] pyntix, wtf what? [21:20] vidd: i had the same problem (but with another sound card) a few days ago [21:20] vidd: wtf because the volume sets itself to 0 [21:20] o_O [21:21] i raise it, it lowers itself [21:21] ha....ive seen this..... [21:21] this means the correct driver is not installed [21:21] aha [21:22] lspci should tell you the correct card.... [21:22] then google for instructions on installing the right driver [21:22] (or a re-boot might auto-load the correct kernel driver) [21:23]