[02:05] <NCommander> apachelogger, ping
[02:06] <NCommander> I need someone running KDE3 to test something for me
[02:07] <NCommander> ScottK, ping
[04:10] <ScottK> NCommander: I have KDE 3.5.5, but no later easily accesible.
[07:31] <apachelogger_> NCommander: congrats \o/
[07:31] <NCommander> apachelogger, yup :-)
[07:31]  * NCommander is already using his powers to backport, and to update packages, and to remove one of yours from the archive
[07:33] <apachelogger_> hoooray
[07:33] <apachelogger_> NCommander: which one has to go?
[07:34] <NCommander> apachelogger, a KDE battery meter
[07:35] <apachelogger_> :(
[07:35] <apachelogger_> fortunately plasma 4.2 comes with a battery plasmoid :D
[08:22] <Riddell> morning
[08:22] <Arby> morning Riddell
[08:33] <apachelogger_> Riddell: morning, why does system-config-printer-kde.desktop define or the complete path to it's icon? or why does it no store it's icon in hicolor? or the overall question: why does it not use the devices/printer.png?
[09:04] <davmor2> Riddell: bug 283229 Bryce is asking for info is this actually an X/Nvidia issue or is it that the .desktop categories are incorrect?
[09:11] <apachelogger_> davmor2, Riddell: I don't think the problem lies within KDE
[09:11] <apachelogger_> system and settings are both main categories, IMHO this behaviour is to be expected
[09:12] <apachelogger_> about main categories "By including one of these categories in an application's desktop entry file the application will be ensured that it will show up in a section of the application menu dedicated to this category."
[09:12] <apachelogger_> sounds like ksycoca does exactly what the spec says
[09:13] <Riddell> davmor2: yeah, it should only include one of those categories
[09:14] <Riddell> apachelogger_: the s-c-p-k icon setup is a relic of its pre-KDE days
[09:15] <Riddell> actually I think that's just copied directly from the gtk one
[09:15] <Riddell> feel free to fix it in svn, or I will in a bit
[09:15] <apachelogger_> Riddell: svn?
[09:15] <apachelogger_> I just committed desktop file fixes to a bzr branch ;-)
[09:16] <apachelogger_> lp:~kubuntu-members/system-config-printer/kde-port
[09:16] <Riddell> apachelogger_: it's in kdeadmin now
[09:18] <apachelogger_> fair enough, will commit in a bit
[09:19] <apachelogger_> Riddell: btw, kde-icons-mono almost completely themes a default installation now :D
[09:19] <apachelogger_> we probably need to introduce kubuntu-icons-mono to include icons like jockey-kde
[09:23] <Riddell> yay
[09:23] <Riddell> there is a gnome mono icon theme, I don't know if that has a jockey one (probably not)
[09:32] <apachelogger_> Riddell: I wasn't too convinced of the gnome accessibility profiles, at least the high-contrast one seemed a little off the target
[09:52] <Riddell> apachelogger_: right, KDE does much better at that
[09:52] <Riddell> just a shame the widget AP-SPI stuff still isn't anything much usable
[09:55]  * apachelogger_ wasn't even able to find sensible documentation about it
[10:27] <Riddell> why..won't..kde4libs..compile?!
[10:33] <apachelogger_> I can buy a new sound card \o/
[10:33] <apachelogger_> http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&thread.id=132288
[10:33] <apachelogger_> Riddell: it doesn't?
[10:33] <Riddell> apachelogger_: the intrepid-backport does, my merge doesn't
[10:33] <Riddell> so it's something silly I've done
[10:34] <Riddell> I did have -DKDE4_ENABLE_EXPERIMENTAL_LIB_EXPORT=on which will break it lots
[10:34] <Riddell> but even without that I get the error
[10:34] <Riddell> anyway, trying again
[10:36] <apachelogger_> meh, why does one have to deliver server racks on friday at 11:35 -.-
[10:36] <apachelogger_> so much for the early off
[10:36]  * apachelogger_ goes installing rack units
[10:39] <Riddell> got your own rack units?  that must be quite some geek house you have there :)
[10:53] <Riddell> DEB_KDE_LINK_WITH_AS_NEEDED ?= yes
[10:53] <Riddell> hmm
[10:55] <Riddell> that seems to be what's affecting it, but that hasn't changed why didn't it affect it before
[11:14] <ScottK> Riddell: Maybe different default gcc options for Jaunty?
[11:17] <Riddell> ScottK: nope, building on intrepid has same issue
[11:24] <Riddell> it's a patch
[11:24] <Riddell> now I just have to work out which one..
[11:25] <Riddell> 18_always_set_cmake_policy.diff seems a likely candidate
[11:25] <smarter> hi
[11:27] <smarter> I just upgraded to 4.1.3 and opened Konqueror which greeted me with something like "can't launch Konqueror, version mismatch of Konqueror about dialog (4.1.3)", then it crashed
[11:27] <smarter> I launched it again and it works
[11:27] <Riddell> spooky
[11:27] <smarter> so maybe we should say to the user(using the notifier?) to restart Konqueror if it's running
[11:28] <Riddell> that would be a good use of upgrade hooks indeed
[11:28] <smarter> and restart it ourself if it's running in the background
[11:28] <smarter> (with the --preload option)
[11:28] <smarter> yup
[11:29] <smarter> I wonder if other apps could have the same problem
[11:30] <larsivi> in LP - how can I find "my" bugs?
[11:30] <smarter> larsivi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~username
[11:30] <smarter> if I recall correctly
[11:31] <larsivi> smarter: doesn't work
[11:31] <larsivi> ah, it probably does - just didn't have the username I though :P
[11:32] <larsivi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdepim/+bug/293081 is fixed upstream
[11:33] <larsivi> it would be sweet if it could be uploaded as I can't really use knode without the fix
[11:35] <larsivi> which packages must I install to get proper back traces?
[11:36] <larsivi> found them
[11:45] <ScottK> smarter: I wonder if that's related to the bug I emailed to kubuntu-devel about last night?
[12:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yeah I didn't bother with merging the EXPERIMENTAL_LIB stuffs for the one package I saw it in
[12:17] <Riddell> much as I respect Debian for wanting to fix unnecessary linking, I've no desire for potential extra linking breakage myself :)
[12:33] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[12:49] <smarter> ScottK: don't think so, but I'm not a Konqueror expert :)
[12:52] <seele> apachelogger: Error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-nightly-kdelibs_20081107.7+svn881008-0neon1_i386.deb : trying to overwrite `/opt/kde-nightly/share/kde4/servicetypes/plasma-animator.desktop', which is also in package kde-nightly-kdebase.
[12:54] <smarter> ScottK: but the bug you pointed might be the reason why sometimes Konquero randomly forget all my historic
[12:55] <larsivi>  and konqueror doesn't accept Ctrl+F for searching :(
[12:55] <smarter> it does here
[12:56] <larsivi> I was able to do it once by resetting the shortcut - but now it does'nt again ...
[12:56] <larsivi> maybe I should close all the sessions I have from before the upgrade :P
[12:57] <smarter> apachelogger: same problem than seele on amd64 but with an older package(20081024.1+svn875549-0neon1_amd64.deb) and different files, are the amd64 builds broken?
[12:57] <smarter> larsivi: try kquitapp konqueror
[12:58] <larsivi> smarter: part of my reluctance is in the fact that I'd like to keep the pages available
[12:58] <ScottK> larsivi: I've had that same problem (ctrl-F) but it works in some windows and not others.
[12:59]  * smarter thinks it happened to him too
[12:59] <smarter> yeah for random bug :p
[12:59] <larsivi> I notice that it is problematic with settings in konqueror and multiple windows - the other windows may overwrite/reset on quit?
[13:00] <larsivi> what should kquitapp do - nothing happened
[13:01] <JontheEchidna> kquitapp plasma would quit plasma
[13:01] <larsivi> oh, hmm ... didn't find konqueror
[13:01] <larsivi> jikes! I have many more konqu instances than windows
[13:01] <larsivi> I think we says killall
[13:03] <larsivi> yay! - ctrl+f works now
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> \o rgreening
[13:15] <rgreening> o/ JontheEchidna
[13:16]  * rgreening is not fully awake yet
[13:16] <Riddell> smarter: your patch seems to cause my error
[13:16] <Riddell> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `lib/libkdecore.so}', needed by `lib/libsolid.so.4.1.0'. Stop.
[13:16] <Riddell> not smarter
[13:16] <Riddell> stdin
[13:16] <Riddell> sorry
[13:16] <smarter> :)
[13:21] <Riddell> stdin: I think it needs ${KDE4_KDECORE_LIBS} instead of that hand coded kdecore bit
[13:29] <Riddell> stdin: is the Messages.sh in your patch your doing or from upstream?
[13:54] <stdin> Riddell: Messages.sh is mine
[13:55] <Riddell> stdin: is that a new .pot file it makes?
[13:57] <stdin> it gets extract-messages.sh to generate the .pot, I did have it set to put the strings in kdelibs5.pot, but that made it get overwritten
[13:57] <Riddell> stdin: and does solid know to use that .pot?
[13:58] <stdin> I don't know much/anything about translations, so I don't know if it does
[14:03] <mitsarionas> hi... I recently got an unknown applet error in some plasmoids... (notes, skow desktop...) any ideas?
[14:23] <seele> hmm.. knetworkmanager is loading as a window instead of a systray app?
[14:23] <seele> how do i get it back in to the systray?
[14:24] <seele> ScottK: btw, i never figured out why kmail was crashing but i'm assuming it had something to do with the upgrade.  i had to start with clean config files and import mail
[14:25] <ScottK> Mine seems to be less crashy recently.  Not sure why.
[14:25] <rgreening> aparedes: hey. Did my e-mail help?
[14:28] <aparedes> rgreening: yes i was about to ask some things actually. I chose a package to try it out. and checking the debdiff the only thing i found was a bump build-deps and some changes to some codes. that is the only thing i have to change?
[14:28] <ScottK> Riddell: I can confirm that all my ctrl-F problems with Konqueror were instances I had going before the upgrade to 4.1.3 and new ones are fine.
[14:29] <rgreening> aparedes: quite possibly.
[14:29] <rgreening> aparedes: give it a shot, open the bug report and post the diffs. we'll review.
[14:32] <larsivi> ScottK: I had my sessions since before the intrepid upgrade :)
[14:40] <rgreening> aparedes: make sure you mark in the wiki the package you are working on (if you haven't yet).
[14:42] <aparedes> rgreening: ok. i didnt because it was my first, and i wasnt sure what was going to happen. but ill mark it
[14:43] <rgreening> Riddell: I added a simple merge workflow/process to the JauntyKDEMerges for any new people trying to figure this out. Hopefully it helps others avoid some of the missteps I had initially :)
[14:44] <rgreening> aparedes: np
[14:48] <rgreening> aparedes: I updated the wiki. See the notes there (I have updated them from the e-mail I sent you... so that will be the most accurate from now on).
[14:51] <Riddell> there are simpler packages to do for people starting on packaging I'm sure
[14:53] <rgreening> Riddell: Probably, however, nothing like trial by fire. Besides, I provided some great tutoring :)
[14:53] <rgreening> Riddell: now that I worked the kinks out of the process for myself
[14:53] <rgreening> :P
[14:53] <Riddell> :)
[14:54] <rgreening> Riddell: did you read the e-mail or see the wiki update? I placed the process that I am using there. Makes it easier to follow...
[14:55] <Riddell> not yet, will do
[15:00] <rgreening> aparedes: note, because debian bunped to 4.1.3 and we are using 4.1.2, you will dee differences in stuff outside the PACKAGE-x.x.x/debian dir. We are not concered with these. So, please remove them form your diffs and don't use them for making any notes/changes. Just stuff in the debian dir.
[15:03] <aparedes> rgreening: so what you mean is only changelog and control are to be modified?
[15:04] <rgreening> aparedes: well, anything in the debian dir is fair game. for example, Debian could clean up one of the .install files, and we should too. So, it would get noted in the changelog and we would actually make the change to the .install file to make it match Debians.
[15:06] <rgreening> aparedes:  So, in the diff, you are looking for entries which start with 'diff -Nru PACKAGE-x.x.x/debian/'
[15:07] <aparedes> rgreening: oh ok. good. i think i got it now
[15:09] <rgreening> np. took me a few times and lots of questions. Eventually, you get a process figured out (like I showed you) and if it works for you, excellent. Feel free to tweak it after you get a few under your belt. I'm sure it could be improved upon (like an automate changelog merger script).
[15:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: It'd be really good to have this included in Jaunty with Amarok 2.0: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=92543
[15:21] <Nightrose> ScottK: we are still pondering upstream which services to install by default - npr and bbs are high on the list
[15:21] <Nightrose> *BBC
[15:21] <ScottK> Riddell: Should we update our 4.1.3 package to include the patch for https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172182
[15:21] <ScottK> Nightrose: Great.  Those are both ones I would like to see.
[15:21] <Nightrose> *nod*
[15:22] <ScottK> Nightrose: I think the NPR one is particularly important generally because they've freed their entire archive of programming, not just the current stuff.
[15:22] <Nightrose> ScottK: we just don't want to overdo it - but since those two and librivox don't require a setup and "just work" it is likely that those three are going to make it
[15:22]  * ScottK listens to NPR new a lot and wants it for that.
[15:22] <Nightrose> jep
[15:22] <ScottK> new/news
[15:22] <ScottK> Great.
[15:24] <Riddell> ScottK: that would seem sensible
[15:27]  * ScottK does
[15:29] <ScottK> Anyone else have changes for kdelibs in 4.1.3 while I'm at it?
[15:29] <Riddell> ScottK: smarter had that patch, not sure if it got uploaded
[15:29] <Riddell> http://stdin.me.uk/diffs/kde4libs_4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1_4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid2.diff
[15:29] <ScottK> I'll check what's there now.
[15:30] <Riddell> it needs ${KDE4_KDECORE_LIBS} instead of that hand coded kdecore bit
[15:30] <Riddell> and it was stdin not smarter, again.  you are different people!
[15:32] <rgreening> ~facts about smarter
[15:32] <kubotu> [4/13] smarter is not smarter. [10/13] smarter is an anagram for smarter's last name
[15:32] <ScottK> Riddell: Looking at the kde4libs Launchpad page, it looks like there is a kde4libs package in intrepid-proposed with the identical revision number as in Jaunty ...
[15:33] <ScottK> Not sure if we care since we know it won't get released that way.
[15:34] <Riddell> ScottK: the intrepid-proposed got copied to jaunty
[15:34] <ScottK> OK.
[15:34] <Riddell> I'm about to upload a newer version to jaunty
[15:37] <stdin> Riddell: more like: http://stdin.me.uk/diffs/2_kde4libs_4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1_4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid2.diff ?
[15:37] <stdin> opps, left something in there
[15:38] <stdin> there we go
[15:38] <ScottK> Riddell: Let me know when you like ^^^ patch and I'll add it to my intrepid-backports update.
[15:40] <Riddell> stdin: that still misses those three commas
[15:41] <stdin> Riddell: opps, forgot to quilt refresh last time, should be there now
[15:43] <Riddell> ScottK, stdin: looking good now
[15:43] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  BTW, MOTU can do source uploads to *-backports now, so that opens this process up a bit if you want.
[15:44] <Riddell> great
[15:48] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: kdepimlibs uploaded
[15:48]  * JontheEchidna just got the lpia fail email
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> :P
[15:49] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: thanks for taking the base ones, I'm afraid kde4libs is taking me longer than I expected (mostly for silly reasons of my own fault)
[15:49] <aparedes> rgreening: in the changelog what should i do? debian has 2 updates for the package and kubuntu is staying in the same as intrepid
[15:49] <Riddell> aparedes: include the changelog entries from debian, adding your own one at the top for us
[15:50] <ScottK> stdin: intrepid/intrepid-backports in debian/changelog (fyi, I'll fix it).
[15:50] <rgreening> aparedes: what Riddell said.
[15:50] <aparedes> thanks
[15:50] <rgreening> np aparedes.
[15:50] <stdin> hmm, wonder why I missed that
[15:50] <rgreening> aparedes: enjoying it all :)
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: you're welcome
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> runtime is almost ready for review
[15:53] <aparedes> rgreening: yes i do. i like doing things that are basic and people just take for granted
[15:53] <rgreening> Riddell: in kdeutils debian has Recommends: ncompress, unzip, zip, zoo, bzip2, p7zip-full for ark and we use Suggests... should we move to recommends or leave as Suggests?
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> I just need to make sure I didn't do anything stupid
[15:54] <rgreening> aparedes: nothing basic about this. It's an essential part of the workflow for us. Tedious, but essential.
[15:54] <ScottK> Don't we all.
[15:55] <ScottK> aparedes: Merges are actually much harder than they look once you know enough to consider what changes we should send back to Debian, what changes we should drop, etc.
[15:56] <Riddell> rgreening: which of those are in main
[15:56] <Riddell> rgreening: don't recommend the ones in universe (unlike Debian our recommends want to end up on the CD)
[15:56]  * ScottK looks for his quilt cheat sheet.
[15:56] <aparedes> sorry i chose badly my words, by basic i was trying to say the bottom part not that they were easy
[15:57] <rgreening> ok. Riddell, is there a quick apt command to check where a package is?
[15:58] <Riddell> apt-cache show
[15:59] <Riddell> look at the location
[15:59] <rgreening> ah. k. ty
[16:00] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: kdebase uploaded
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> cool
[16:08] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: do you know what this is for in kdebase-workspace?
[16:08] <Riddell> +DEB_CMAKE_EXTRA_FLAGS += -DKDE4_KDM_PAM_SERVICE=kdm -DKDE4_KSCREENSAVER_PAM_SERVICE=kscreensaver
[16:08] <Riddell> -DKDE4_KCHECKPASS_PAM_SERVICE=kcheckpass
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: the pam files for kscreensaver and kcheckpass that apachelogger made up
[16:08] <Riddell> ah right, clever chap that apachelogger
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> yup
[16:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Where is this hand coded kdecore stuff that needs changing?
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> bug 295219 is awaiting after you get through the monster that is kdebase-workspace ;-)
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> runtime is much more tame
[16:10]  * JontheEchidna prepares diffs to send to debian
[16:11] <Riddell> ScottK: stdin already changed it
[16:11] <Riddell> in http://stdin.me.uk/diffs/2_kde4libs_4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1_4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid2.diff
[16:11] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Got that.  Thanks.
[16:11] <ScottK> No wonder I couldn't find anything else.
[16:14] <ScottK> I thought we weren't uploading 4.1.3 to Jaunty?
[16:15] <ScottK> http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kdegames/4:4.1.3-1ubuntu1
[16:17] <Riddell> ScottK: one step at a time is much easier than doing two steps in one
[16:19]  * rgreening likes the two-step *la-la-lala-la-la*
[16:19] <ScottK> OK.  No problem, just wanted to make sure we didn't upload the wrong thing by mistake.
[16:28] <rgreening> Who is using konversation? I think I found a bug... need someone else to test something out...
[16:29] <aparedes> could someone review my debdiffs and tell me if they are ok ore what i need to do? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/295227
[16:29] <aparedes> rgreening: i am using konversation
[16:30] <rgreening> aparedes: can you open multiple channels, and then click the one on the furthest right. Then, click the close button to the right of it. Does it close the last tab or a different one?
[16:32] <aparedes> rgreening: it closed the last tab.
[16:32] <rgreening> aparedes: open a chat with me, so I can test that way as well..
[16:34] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: kdebase-runtime uploaded
[16:34]  * Riddell out to pick up car from MOT
[16:34]  * JontheEchidna waves
[16:35]  * ScottK does $WORK while kde4libs builds.
[16:35] <rgreening> aparedes: hmm.. ok, I can;'t dup the issue. I has #plasma opened next to the window with aparedes earlier, oened aparedes and hit close. It closed #plasma instead. Can't duplicate it... weird.
[16:36] <rgreening> aparedes: ty for testing
[16:36] <aparedes> rgreening: no problem
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> aparedes: Debian bumped the version of cmake they build-depend against to 2.6, I'd suggest we do the same
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> I would also note that we kept our conflict/replaces on -kde4 packages
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> Also debian added kdemultimedia to kdemultimedia-dbg's suggests
[16:43] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: We'll need to keep those through the next LTS for LTS to LTS upgrades.
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yes, I'm saying that we need to document that we keep them
[16:44] <ScottK> Yes.  Good point.
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> Oh, I see what you're saying, eheh
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> :P
[16:50] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: Fail on your patch: In file included from /tmp/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.3/solid/solid/backends/hal/halstorageaccess.cpp:30: /tmp/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.3/kdecore/localization/klocalizedstring.h:22:28: error: kdecore_export.h: No such file or directory
[16:50] <stdin> ok...
[16:51] <ScottK> stdin: When you get that sorted, please just give me the diff from your last patch, not the full debdiff.
[16:56] <stdin> ScottK: try http://stdin.me.uk/diffs/mini.diff
[16:57]  * ScottK-laptop tries
[16:57] <ScottK-laptop> After /me finds the quilt cheat sheet again.
[16:59] <xerosis> zxxxxx
[17:02] <aparedes> JontheEchidna: thank you for reviewing the debdiffs. I have corrected them
[17:04] <JontheEchidna> You're welcome :)
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: oops, removing the plasma tooltips patch broke the pythonoid patch
[17:12] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: lol
[17:19] <little> Are there any developers here who can answer a question about the linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-21-generic update?
[17:20] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: tsk
[17:20] <Riddell> little: nope, we do KDE
[17:20] <little> riddell: Ah, okay, thanks - heading that way --->
[17:26] <seele> anyone planning on going to camp kde?
[17:49] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: Still fail.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/68925/
[17:50] <Riddell> seele: no current plans
[17:52] <stdin> ${KDE4_INCLUDE_DIR} doesn't seems to want to work there
[17:53] <Riddell> I uploaded http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu_06_user_disk_mounting.diff
[17:54]  * ScottK-laptop grabs
[17:54] <stdin> yeah, ${PROJECT_SOURCE_DIR}/kdecore works there instead
[17:54]  * seele forgot she "volunteered" to be uds crew
[17:54] <seele> i wonder if the crew tshirts will be black :-/
[17:55] <jjesse> hopefully :)
[17:55] <seele> Riddell: well if the cool people aren't going..
[17:55] <jjesse> seele i think we are doing crew duty the same day?
[17:55] <seele> jjesse: yep!
[17:55] <jjesse> seele don't worry i forgot i volunettered for crew duty as well :)
[17:55] <seele> at least jorge had the sense to put two kubuntu people together ;)
[17:55] <jjesse> yeah gotta keep those crazy kubuntu people together
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> bug 295258
[17:57] <Riddell> aparedes: your kdemultimedia merge looks good
[17:58] <rgreening> bug 295256
[17:58] <Riddell> aparedes: only trouble is your diff includes the differences from the upstream version (since yuo merge from debian's 4.1.3 to our 4.1.2)
[17:59] <Riddell> aparedes: oh I see, that's only in debian-to-merged.debdiff, fair enough, current-to-merged.debdiff is easy to read
[17:59] <Riddell> aparedes: so, perfect, full marks first shot :)
[17:59] <rgreening> *whew* though I was going to have an issue as well...
[18:00]  * rgreening wears the tutoring hat well
[18:00] <Riddell> if the upstream version is different I'd just do a diff of the respective debian/ directories rather than a full debdiff
[18:02] <rgreening> Riddell: hmm... yeah, that makes sense. I hadn't thought of that at the time. Good point.
[18:02] <Riddell> oh wait, i see a problem
[18:02] <rgreening> Oo
[18:02] <Riddell> aparedes: version number should be 4:4.1.2-1ubuntu1  not 0ubuntu1  now it's merged with Debian it should take the Debian revision
[18:07] <Riddell> aparedes: ok, uploaded, please close that bug and e-mail debian packagers pkg-kde-talk@lists.alioth. debian.org pointing at the bug and pointing out the main difference is that kubuntu_02 patch which they may or may not be interested in
[18:15] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: in bug 295258 debian-to-current.debdiff should be debian-to-merged.debdiff ?
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Yes, I just mis-named it
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> oops ^_^
[18:16] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you kept 97_fix_target_link_libraries.diff ?
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> do we not want that?
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> I testbuilt the package and it seemed to build ok, so I don't think it'll break anything
[18:17] <Riddell> we shouldn't need it, it's only there because debian does the reduce library linking thing
[18:18] <Riddell> it won't break anything by having it indeed
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> oh
[18:18] <Riddell> but it's a hassle to maintain is all
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> ok, then I'll remove it and reupload the diffs
[18:18] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: don't worry, I can do it easier
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> ok, thanks
[18:18] <Riddell> a simple case of rm
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[18:19] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: did you redo kdebase-workspace?
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> oh, right. I assume we would just want to add back in the tooltips patch?
[18:20] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yeah that seems easiest
[18:20]  * DaSkreech prods seele
[18:20] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I was hoping you'd do that and test compile it :)
[18:20] <rgreening> Riddell: 97_fix_target_link_libraries. is in kdeutils too...
[18:20] <Riddell> rgreening: I'd remove it
[18:21] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, then let me fix the diffs and resent...
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ok, will do
[18:22] <glade88> http://sayakb.blogspot.com/search/label/KDE413Testing <<< okay to share? I mean the info about taking it from the kubuntu members ppa archives
[18:23] <ScottK> glade88: It's in intrepid-backports now.
[18:24] <glade88> ScottK: aah.. just saw http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.3 .. thanks
[18:31] <DaSkreech> hi jjesse
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> Does the KDE4 version of Kopete do IRC?
[18:34] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: n
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> according to debian's package desc it does :P
[18:34] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: no pluging ported form 3.5 ver
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> ya, I know
[18:34] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: it's up for grabs if someone wants to port it...
[18:34]  * JontheEchidna runs
[18:34]  * rgreening was thinking about it
[18:35] <jjesse> hello who ever said hi :)
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> I think IRC should be handled by a proper client anyway
[18:35] <jjesse> wasn't paying asttention ;)
[18:35] <glade88> JontheEchidna: no.. kopete 0.60.2 doesnt
[18:37] <glade88> wow.. the graphics are getting _Excessively_ choppy
[18:38] <ScottK> Riddell: I think I'm past where it failed before.  Thanks.  Do you care if I leave stdin in debian/changelog (I'm not sure who's work this really is)?
[18:40] <Riddell> ScottK: leave whoever you like
[18:41] <ScottK> Riddell: stdin is in there now, so unless you care, I'll leave it.
[18:41]  * ScottK takes the path of least resistance.
[18:41] <Riddell> he's the main man
[18:46] <Riddell> debian still havn't packaged kde-printer-applet?  humph
[18:46] <rgreening> Riddell: kdeutils merge updated... bug/295256
[18:47] <rgreening> bug 295256
[18:48] <DaSkreech> jjesse: That was me. how are you?
[18:49] <jjesse> DaSkreech: doing well
[18:49] <DaSkreech> Good :)
[18:50]  * JontheEchidna sees everybody making wide circles around pim and bindings on the merge wiki :P
[18:50] <Riddell> how hard can they be
[18:51] <DaSkreech> Lets make a KDE Distro from Ubuntu
[18:51] <DaSkreech> how hard can it be?
[18:52] <Riddell> easy peasy
[18:52] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Depends on how often the Ubuntu'ites are breaking our stuffs.
[18:52] <Riddell> rgreening: kdeutils uploading!
[18:53]  * DaSkreech coughs at Firefox needing all of Gnome
[18:53]  * DaSkreech suggests that since Amarok is so good any mp3 support should pull in kdemultimedia
[18:53] <rgreening> Riddell: ty
[18:54] <ScottK> DaSkreech: That's a detail.  You can at least remove ubufox if you want.  I was thinking more like uploading networkmanager 0.7 and totally screwing knetworkmanager.
[18:54] <seele> noooo..
[18:54] <seele> jjesse: the crew tshirts are blue!
[18:54]  * seele cries
[18:54] <ScottK> DaSkreech: What we are needing right now to solve that problem is someone to do pykde U/I for apturl.
[18:54] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Sadly getting rid of all of KDE is much easier than getting rid of Gnome :(
[18:54] <DaSkreech> Agreed
[18:54] <Riddell> goes with your hair
[18:55] <ScottK> mvo did all the hooks for it yesterday.
[18:55]  * DaSkreech chuckles
[18:55]  * DaSkreech prods seele into #campkde
[18:55]  * seele sniffles
[18:55] <seele> i guess if i want to be positive about this, at least theyre blue and not orange!
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[18:56]  * DaSkreech votes clear. Let people fill in their own colour
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> I think they've sorta morphed back to brown like in the badger days
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> or are on that path
[18:56] <DaSkreech> Badger Badger badger badger
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> :P
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> mushroom! mushroom!
[18:57] <rgreening> oh a snake
[18:57] <seele> look it's a snaaaaake!
[18:58] <Riddell> seele: we'll go to the fish markey, buy a fresh squid and die it black with the ink
[18:58] <Riddell> market
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> we should make a plasma theme to look like badger
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> then put an autostart entry to launch amarok with that badger song
[18:58] <seele> Riddell: then i'll smell like fish instead of look funny
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> push it to kubuntu-default-settings
[18:58] <seele> Riddell: somehow i think funny-looking is better than funny-smelling
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> and use that for april fools day
[18:59] <DaSkreech> seele: Depends on your proximity
[18:59]  * seele does an evil monkey finger point at jcastro 
[18:59] <seele> DaSkreech: for jjesse's sake, i'll opt to smell good
[18:59]  * DaSkreech wonders what he did
[18:59] <jjesse> does that mean i look funny?
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: chat about jjesse looks
[19:00] <kubotu> I can't :(
[19:00] <seele> jjesse: better than smell funny :D
[19:01] <jjesse> lol :)
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: chat about look funny
[19:01] <kubotu> I can't :(
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: chat about badger badger
[19:01] <kubotu> badger badger MUSHROOM MUSHROOM!!!}
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> \m/
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> bug 295285
[19:14] <jdong> are those kubotu quotes hardcoded or does he have some sort of markov chain random-rambling plugin?
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> It's markov-rambling ;-)
[19:15] <jdong> sweet :)
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: chat
[19:15] <kubotu> which nicely breaks batbuild :(
[19:15] <jdong> kubotu: chat about jdong
[19:15] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help chat'
[19:15] <jdong> aww
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> you gotta use two words
[19:16] <jdong> ah, makes sense :)
[19:17] <jdong> kubotu: chat about jdong broke
[19:17] <kubotu> I can't :(
[19:17] <jdong> kubotu: chat about jdong fix
[19:17] <kubotu> I can't :(
[19:17] <jdong> obviously I need to hang out here a bit more :)
[19:19] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: kdenetwork up!
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> w00t!
[19:21] <DaSkreech> whooot
[19:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: pino queried kubuntu_11_fix_openwithdialog.diff from kde4libs which you added, is it from upstream or your own invention?
[19:25] <rgreening> Riddell: about pino's comment regarding kubuntu specific... how should we tag those? or is pino just being a bit nitpicky?
[19:26] <Riddell> rgreening: I'm not sure, we do have "kubuntu" in the names of those functions and enum values
[19:28] <Riddell> he's right about the enum numbering certainly
[19:29] <aparedes> Riddell: for merging kdewebdev is it only kdewebdev or only kdewebdev-kde4 or both?
[19:30] <Riddell> aparedes: both
[19:30] <Riddell> aparedes: "kdewebdev" is still KDE 3 since the KDE 4 version is still in alpha
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> huh, kdenetwork FTBFS
[19:31] <aparedes> Riddell: oh ok. good.
[19:31] <Riddell> aparedes: planning to take one?
[19:32] <aparedes> Riddell: yeah is that ok?
[19:32] <aparedes> or should i know something first?
[19:32] <Riddell> aparedes: certainly, just mark which one on the wiki
[19:34] <rgreening> \o/ aparedes
[19:35] <aparedes> what does \o/ mean?
[19:36] <DaSkreech> It's a little man throwing his arms in the air
[19:36] <aparedes> oh ok thanks
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> it is also an alternate form of lol
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> except more....
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[19:37] <Riddell> ah, the joys of IRC
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> I don't understand why kdenetwork is ftbfs'ing now... http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19468488/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.kdenetwork_4:4.1.2-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:39] <rgreening> sh: gcc: not found <- JontheEchidna
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> o.O
[19:40] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: something b0rked in the build system
[19:40] <rgreening> Riddell: ^^
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I don't think anything I did caused it
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: kdenetwork uses g++
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> gcc not being there shouldn't break it I don't think...
[19:41] <rgreening> hmm... nm... I see
[19:41] <rgreening> you are correct...
[19:41] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: still loking
[19:41] <Riddell> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libSM.so', needed by `lib/libkgetcore.so.4.1.0'
[19:41] <Riddell> what's libSM?
[19:42] <Riddell> try adding a build-dep on libsm-dev and see if pbuilder builds it
[19:45] <ScottK> Riddell: The kde4libs update for intrepid-backports built.  After I test it should I upload straight to backports or to the PPA and you copy it?
[19:46] <Riddell> ScottK: backports is good
[19:46] <Riddell> I can let it through
[19:46] <ScottK> OK.
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: do you think you could do me a big favor and try libsm-dev? My CPU is still dying trying to build base-workspace over here :(
[19:49] <ScottK> Riddell or stdin: How do I tell if this patch of your works?
[19:50] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: from 4.1.2 or 4.1.3 or does it matter?
[19:50] <stdin> ScottK: try having dolphin mount something you don't have permission to mount
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: you can grab the sources from LP
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> I tihnk
[19:50] <stdin> ScottK: I made a user (and made sure they weren't in the disk group) and had it mount a USB stick
[19:50] <ScottK> stdin: OK.  How do I know if I win or lose onit?
[19:51] <ScottK> OK.
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/4:4.1.2-1ubuntu1
[19:51]  * ScottK needs to recreate a secondary user after the password security update anyway.
[19:51] <stdin> dolphin should ask for the password and not display a long dbus-send command
[19:53] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: k. getting now
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: very thx
[19:53] <rgreening> np JontheEchidna
[19:54] <rgreening> Riddell/ScottK what comes after the merge?
[19:54] <rgreening> seems we are making great progress...
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: developer... type stuff...
[19:55]  * JontheEchidna thinks
[19:55] <ScottK> rgreening: Go write the python-kde U/I for apturl.
[19:57] <Riddell> rgreening: there's a million other packages to be merged, hopefully they'll be listed at merges.ubuntu.com/*html soon
[19:58] <Riddell> rgreening: and upgrading to KDE 4.2 snapshots
[19:58] <Riddell> rgreening: then it'll be time for UDS!
[19:58] <rgreening> Kool..
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pino wants your dash incompatibility patch to be committed I think
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/2008-November/001055.html
[19:59] <smarter> Riddell: restarting krunner seems to be necessary for it to work after 4.1.3 upgrade too
[19:59] <smarter> I'll look into the hooks stuff and try to make something
[19:59] <smarter> is there a doc somewhere?
[19:59] <rgreening> ScottK: I have to a) get my python skillz in order first b) talk more with mvo and c) review the code... but yeah, it's on the todo list
[20:00] <rgreening> smarter: I can confirm requiring a re-login after upgrading to 4.1.3
[20:01] <Riddell> smarter: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InteractiveUpgradeHooks
[20:01] <Riddell> smarter: or just track down the one firefox already ships
[20:01] <smarter> thanks
[20:02] <ScottK> stdin: It just opens.
[20:03] <stdin> the user needs to have no permission to mount it
[20:03] <ScottK> OK.  Well that was a new user I added to no groups.
[20:04] <stdin> have a look at the permissions of the device nodes
[20:04] <stdin> it may be the group is plugdev, and I think that's a default group
[20:08] <ScottK> It's mounting it 755 so anyone can read it.
[20:10]  * JontheEchidna afk
[20:13] <stdin> ScottK: I mean the actual device in /dev
[20:13] <ScottK> Right.
[20:14] <stdin> I think it needs to be so the user running dolphin has no read permissions
[20:17] <ScottK> OK.  Trying again.
[20:19] <ScottK> stdin: It's to user friendly for me.  I can't figure out how to make it fail.  This user is in absolutely no groups.
[20:19] <ScottK> I guess I've proven it didn't break anything ...
[20:19]  * ScottK uploads.
[20:30] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: this here?
[20:30] <rgreening> s/this/still/
[20:31] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: Hasn't failed for me yet...
[20:41] <ScottK> Riddell: kde4libs is there in intrepid-backports for you to accept.
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: cool
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> wonder why it started failing all of a sudden in Jaunty...
[20:47] <mornfall> Heya, if anyone would be so helpful and redirect this person to a kubuntu forum or such? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=174570
[20:47] <mornfall> (Feel free to close the bug, as it's against Adept 2.1, ie. unsupported.)
[20:50] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: kdenetwork build completely on my system using the packages from launchpad...
[20:51] <DaSkreech> mornfall: Just checking if we will get a patch for the xapian update bug or is that a 9.04 time frame ?
[20:51] <mornfall> Which xapian bug?
[20:51] <mornfall> Ah.
[20:51] <mornfall> Hmm.
[20:52] <DaSkreech> the xapian database isn't updated if you add in a repo
[20:52] <mornfall> In the meantime, it can be documented, that you can run sudo update-apt-xapian-index to fix it.
[20:52] <mornfall> I can try looking at a fix...
[21:25] <aparedes> i have create the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/295335 and uploaded the debdiff for kdewebdev-kde4. can someone review it please and let me know if i need to change something
[21:39]  * JontheEchidna wonders why debian is putting akonadiconsole in the kmail package...
[21:39] <Riddell> ryanakca: it's spam
[21:43] <Riddell> aparedes: let me look
[21:43] <blueyed> aparedes: I've subscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[22:12] <aparedes> Riddell: thanks, let me know how it is.
[22:22] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hi fellow crewer!
[22:23] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Would you please accept the kde4libs in intrepid-backports.  Riddell seems to have gotten distracted.
[22:23] <ScottK> Good evening all.
[22:25] <Hobbsee> ScottK: done
[22:25] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Thanks.
[22:26] <Hobbsee> ScottK: your'e welcome
[22:26] <Hobbsee> oh, #$%^&*(*&^%$%^&
[22:26] <ScottK> What now?
[22:26] <Hobbsee> Error ID: OOPS-1042EB133
[22:26] <ScottK> Uh oh.
[22:27] <Hobbsee> Error ID: OOPS-1042EC97
[22:28] <Hobbsee> Yup.  Dead as a doornail, again.
[22:28] <Hobbsee> This was working.  You haven't rolled out since the ubuntu release.  Why is it broken again now?
[22:29] <ScottK> Hobbsee: They've done something because closing bugs in debian/changelog in backports pockets works now.
[22:29] <ScottK> So I'd say ... haven't rolled out that you know of ....
[22:29] <Hobbsee> oh
[22:31] <ryanakca> Riddell: *nod*
[22:36] <Riddell> aparedes: looks good, sorry for the delay
[22:37] <aparedes> Riddell: no worries
[22:38] <Riddell> ScottK: accepted
[22:38] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[22:39] <ScottK> Maybe Hobbsee could rescore it so it builds some time this century ....
[22:40] <NCommander> ScottK, you could have marked the urgency high ;-)
[22:41]  * Hobbsee prods, as well as the sutff in -proposed
[22:41] <ScottK> NCommander: That doesn't actually affect anything I don't think.
[22:41] <NCommander> ScottK, actually it does
[22:41] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Thanks.
[22:41] <Hobbsee> y/w.
[22:41] <NCommander> It moves the build score up by a good amount
[22:42] <ScottK> So I'm looking at election results and one of the Senate races that isn't decided, ~3 million people voted and the difference is 238 votes.
[23:02]  * ScottK files KDE Bug 174583
[23:14] <aparedes> Riddell: there is no kdewebdev for kde3 in debian experimental. what happens with that merge?
[23:17] <Riddell> aparedes: get it from debian unstable
[23:17] <Riddell> aparedes: kde 3's buildsystem likes to edit lots of Makefile.in and Makefile files, debian puts those edits into a patch debian/patches/98_buildprep or similar which we don't bother with
[23:18] <Riddell> so remove that patch and look at the diff of the debian/ directories only since the full debdiff will be full of Makefile cruft that doesn't matter
[23:18] <Riddell> and run `fakeroot make -f debian/rules buildprep` to remake the Makefile cruft (with automake and autoconf installed)
[23:22] <aparedes> Riddell: sure thing ill try that. another thing, does it matter that debian has a 3.5.9-3 version and kubuntu has a 3.5.10-0 version?
[23:22] <Riddell> aparedes: means we're ahead of them in KDE versions.  just merge in any new changelog entries since our last debian merge and find any changes those correspond to (there may well not be any)
[23:23] <aparedes> ok ill do that
[23:39] <taupter_nb> Hi there. I'm having problems trying to compile Amarok2. The build system complains about libmysqld.a (elocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC) Kubuntu 8.10 amd64 here. Somebody could help me?
[23:42] <Nightrose> taupter_nb: you need a mysql with embedded support - you can get that by adding the kubuntu-members-kde4 ppa and doing apt-get build-dep amarok-kde4 for example
[23:42] <Nightrose> or compile mysql with our script
[23:43] <taupter_nb> Nightrose: Hmmmm.... I already have ppa enabled. Lemme check... :)
[23:44] <taupter_nb> Nightrose: Heh... Forgot to add the src... :)
[23:45] <Nightrose> :) happened to me too
[23:48] <taupter_nb> Nightrose: Strange. When I try to install the dependencies it tries to remove librdf-dev, librasqal-dev and others (strigi depends on them to be built)
[23:49] <Nightrose> hmmm - can't help you with that sorry :(
[23:49]  * taupter_nb compiling a full kde trunk.
[23:49] <Nightrose> maybe someone else
[23:50] <taupter_nb> Nightrose: I'll redo what I did in the 8.04 era: recompile MySQL annd substitute the mysqld.a by hand. It worked that time. :D
[23:50] <Nightrose> hehe
[23:50] <Nightrose> ok
[23:50] <taupter_nb> Nightrose: Thanks!
[23:51] <Nightrose> no prob :)