[04:08] <gnomefreak> crimsun: do you have updated pulseaudio in your PPA?
[14:25] <rawhead> hi all
[15:27] <fta> it's quiet in here
[15:30] <asac> fta: yeah
[15:30] <asac> i am on holiday
[15:30] <fta> :)
[15:33] <asac> fta: will start to work on free time stuff on monday again i think
[15:33] <asac> just looked if anything super-urgent popped up
[15:33] <asac> started holiday yesterday
[17:10] <plun> hello....      ubuntu-useragent.js
[17:10] <plun> Any comments... ?  a lot of whinings
[17:10] <plun> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59
[17:10] <plun>  
[17:14] <plun> *ping*     Its Firefox   !!!!     nothing else !   (for mainstream majority, 99, 99 % )
[17:15] <fta> hi
[17:15] <fta> ?
[17:18] <plun> fta: users are annoyed about Hotmails "dustbin" for mail....
[17:18] <plun> Why are we using Ubuntu as useragent ? we are running Mozilla Firefox !
[17:18] <fta> not my choice
[17:19] <plun> Rather stupid, IMHO....  ;)
[17:20] <plun> I have no problem with TB3 and the "dustbin" addon.... more a "newbie challenge  ;)
[17:21] <fta> i guess it's for distrowatch or something
[17:22] <fta> asac, ^^
[18:30] <[reed]> fta: what's the UA?
[18:31] <fta> [reed], in 3.1, i have Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b2pre) Gecko/20081106 Ubuntu/8.10 (intrepid) Shiretoko/3.1b2pre
[18:31] <[reed]> er, why are you building with official branding for a nightly?
[18:31] <[reed]> :(
[18:32] <fta> changed that last week
[18:32] <[reed]> Shiretoko/3.1b2pre doesn't exist... should be Minefield/3.1b2pre
[18:32] <[reed]> Shiretoko/3.1b2 will exist soon
[18:33] <fta> well
[18:34] <fta> i used minefield for months
[18:34] <[reed]> and you just got tired of the name?
[18:34] <[reed]> lol
[18:40] <fta> [reed], why does it matter ? it's not an official ubuntu build
[18:41] <fta> I just have ~500 users
[18:41] <[reed]> yeah
[18:41] <[reed]> probably doesn't
[18:42] <fta> well, maybe more, at least 500 are reporting stats to ubuntu
[18:43] <fta> it seems i have >7200 users for songbird
[18:43] <directhex> fta, PPA stats?
[18:43] <fta> popcon
[18:43] <directhex> ah
[18:43]  * directhex has >12000 users for mono backports
[18:45] <fta> yep, probably, i don't advertize much, if at all, and only in the dev version
[18:46] <fta> directhex, how do you identify those 12000 users?
[18:47] <directhex> fta, i don't point to the PPA directly, i mirror & sign (using a script from mythbuntu)
[18:47] <directhex> fta, so i have web logs from the web host
[18:47] <fta> oh, ok
[18:47] <directhex> just track unique IPS grabbing Packages.gz
[18:47] <fta> lol, what about dyn IPs?
[18:56] <plun>  fta: sorry missed this....  I know what asac thinks about this...   hack Hotmail...  ;)
[18:57] <plun> directhex...  can you please fix Moonlight...  ;)
[19:02] <plun> fta:  I asked yesterday about FF3.1 and Jauntu, possible... ?
[19:02] <plun> We cannot "wait and wait and wait" for Debians never ending talks... !
[19:03] <plun> Jaunty... sorry  ;)
[19:04] <directhex> fta, i assume dynamic users balance out NAT users
[19:04] <directhex> plun, define "fix"
[19:07] <fta> plun, it's possible, i will post b2 in universe for sure
[19:07] <directhex> plun, i have packages ready, but am withholding them for now
[19:14] <plun> directhex:  Ok.... I be glad to test :)  Moonlight 1.0 was a piece of junk, IMHO
[19:16] <plun> fta: all users must be force to use FF3.1, otherwise we cannot nail bugs... !
[19:16] <plun> With FF3 we waited and waited....  wrong strategy.
[19:16] <plun> Let the "whinings" go on and users and devs finds more bugs !
[19:17] <fta> plun, no, it will not become default until final 3.1
[19:17] <fta> if moz is late, we don't want to ship jaunty with a beta as in hardy
[19:18] <plun> fta...  "baaah"...   it is Debian strategy  ?..  maybe I am a "cannibal"  but slangasek is terrible wrong.. !
[19:19] <plun> fta: it must be tested in long run !
[19:21] <fta> plun, it's not my call anyway, i can't upload to main ;)
[19:22] <directhex> plun, moon 1.0 hasn't been tagged yet has it? i know it's been branched
[19:23] <plun> fta: well... hack it...  :)     I cannot understand it anyway....  dev version waiting for a stable version...sounds crazy !
[19:24] <plun> directhex: Ok... I have tested Moon 1.0 and its junk IMHO.... worthless.
[19:24] <directhex> could be worse. tried Gnash?
[19:26] <plun> directhex... yes.. even more, clear tragedy...
[19:29] <plun> fta: tell someone which is going to Googles fort that FF3.1 must be tested.... even before Debian says it stable  ;)
[19:29] <plun> Good night !
[19:34] <fta> directhex, Moonlight guys have access to a spec right?
[19:35] <directhex> fta, right
[19:35] <fta> gnash guys do not
[19:35] <directhex> fta, they do now. adobe recently allowed access to the swf spec for apps other than swf creators
[19:38] <fta> directhex, really? are they using it? i discussed with rob 5 months ago at the last UDS, it seems to me he would prefer losing an eye rather than using that, but maybe i'm wrong
[19:38] <directhex> rob who?
[19:39] <fta> the creator of gnash
[19:42] <fta> Rob Savoye
[19:48] <directhex> "Adobe has removed the entire license agreement from the SWF and FLV/F4V specifications. The only remaining restrictions are on copying and distributing the specifications themselves and on the use of Adobe trademarks, including the Flash trademark. The copyright and trademark restrictions are on the copyright page of the specification. Developers are now free to implement what is documented in the specifications without res
[19:48] <directhex> trictions from Adobe."
[19:48] <fta> nice
[19:49] <fta> when did that happen?
[19:51] <directhex> May
[19:51] <fta> hm, uds was in may
[19:51] <fta> and gnash didn't make any progress since ?
[19:55] <directhex> well, i tried it on bbc iplayer. it ate 600 meg of ram then crashed my browser
[19:56] <fta> gasp
[19:59] <directhex> i'm hoping upstream will get my ITV Catchup bug fixed before 1.0 is actually released
[20:00] <directhex> which would mean the silverlight-using british broadcaster is fine with Free Software, but the Flash-using one is not
[21:43] <NCommander> Is there any issue if I help work on resolving this bug? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/272959
[21:49] <RainCT> Hi
[21:49] <RainCT> What's the rationale for bug #272959?
[21:50] <sebner> RainCT: lol
[21:50] <james_w> heh
 Is there any issue if I help work on resolving this bug? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/272959
[21:50] <sebner> RainCT: at 22:43
[21:50] <RainCT> lol
[21:50] <NCommander> The justification is there, removing firefox 2 from the archive for Jaunty.
[21:51] <RainCT> That's not a justification. Leaving it does no harm, removing it makes backports more difficult.
[21:51] <RainCT> Not that this really matters but it seems a pointless effort to me.
[21:51] <NCommander> RainCT, as long as it depends on firefox, backports will work just fine
[21:53] <RainCT> NCommander: Uhm, right, but anyway. It's time doing the upload, time on the build servers, and jaunty users having to download and install a new version for no real benefit. It would make more sense to just do this as a secondary change when there's a real reason to touch a package.
[21:53] <RainCT> but feel free to ignore me :P
[21:54]  * NCommander points to the two uploads done before him :-)
[21:55] <fta> we already touched all the packages to add abrowser and we got a lot of complains from angry users spammed by launchpad
[21:55]  * RainCT also considered adding abrowser to be a pointless change :P
[21:56] <fta> otherwise, i already have a script to mass update this, no need to spend more than 1 minute on this if it's wanted
[21:56] <fta> but i don't think it is
[21:57] <fta> RainCT, yep, i had no hard feeling about abrowser. i'm not using it.
[21:58] <RainCT> well, it's not about wheter it's used or not, but abrowser provides firefox so it wasn't necessary to add an alternative dependency for it
[22:07] <fta> asac, oh my !
[22:07] <fta> -rw-r--r--  1 fta fta 255698776 2008-11-07 20:50 chromium_0.3.155.0~svn20081107r5000.orig.tar.gz
[22:07] <fta> -rw-r--r--  1 fta fta 122593180 2008-11-07 23:05 chromium-dbgsym_0.3.155.0~svn20081107r5000-0ubuntu1_i386.ddeb
[22:07] <fta> -rw-r--r--  1 fta fta  21148800 2008-11-07 23:06 chromium_0.3.155.0~svn20081107r5000-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[22:07] <fta> so huge
[22:08] <NCommander> Chromium is packaged?
[22:08] <NCommander> cool
[22:08] <RainCT> NCommander: of course! were have you been the last years? :P :P
[22:08] <RainCT> *where even
[22:08] <NCommander> I never heard of chromium until Google Crome came out
[22:09] <RainCT> oh of course
[22:09]  * RainCT sees a name conflict coming :P
[22:09] <fta> i should have named it chrome, or google-chrome, as it's more than just chromium
[22:09] <RainCT> fta: chromium is a game :P
[22:10] <fta> oh, thx :)
[22:11] <RainCT> btw, usr/lib/firefox/extensions/* should also be dropped together with bug #272959, or?
[22:11] <fta> asac already said it doesn't hurt to keep it
[22:21] <fta> hm, should i use chrome or google-chrome?
[22:22] <fta> we call firefox just firefox, not mozilla-firefox
[22:23] <[reed]> chromium...
[22:24] <mconnor> mmm, point, maybe?
[22:24] <RainCT> [reed]: already exist
[22:24] <mconnor> also
[22:24] <mconnor> really depends on whether chrome feels unique enough
[22:24] <mconnor> chromium-browser ?
[22:25] <[reed]> I would think Google would be even more anal than us about the use of "Google Chrome"
[22:25] <[reed]> ;)
[22:25] <mconnor> one would think
[22:26] <fta> chromium is chrome without some features, but to build it, you currently need those features, so it's not chromium
[22:27] <fta> you need 9 source trees :(
[22:27] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/69026/
[22:28] <[reed]> and you thought Mozilla's build system was complicated
[22:28] <[reed]> ;)
[22:29] <fta> I prefer makefiles over those scons files (in python)
[22:31] <NCommander> O______________________O;
[22:31] <NCommander> [reed], ow
[22:36] <directhex> i didn't know chromium had a UI under linux yet
[22:37] <directhex> "(Shhh, don't tell anyone but if you build test_shell, it can actually render something recognisable) "
[22:39] <NCommander> lol
[22:40] <NCommander> I dunno why, but I personally find WebKit browsers under Linux to seemingly suck
[22:40] <NCommander> I dunno why
[22:41] <fta> directhex, there is one, but.. well...  http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/chrome.png
[22:47] <RainCT> now that's what I call a feature-full UI :)
[22:49] <NCommander> It looks like epiphany
[22:49] <RainCT> epiphany has a menu bar :P
[22:56]  * kgoetz looks at chrome.png and wonders if thats "it"
[22:57] <fta> nope, it's just a test so far
[22:57] <kgoetz> nod.
[22:58] <kgoetz> i was wondering for a moment :|
[23:00] <crimsun> fta: do you have a test case for the audio nasties in firefox-3.1?
[23:00] <fta> crimsun, i sure do. hold on
[23:01] <fta> [reed], damn, the list tab thing is broken
[23:01] <[reed]> lol
[23:03] <fta> [reed], oh, it's the control tab addon.
[23:04] <fta> with 110+ tabs, it's difficult to survive without that addon
[23:05] <fta> crimsun, Nov 03 00:43:37 <fta> crimsun, while you're here, i still have issues with sound in ff3.1: http://tinyvid.tv/show/e3wzq35dms5h gives me 1 or 2 seconds of sound only
[23:06] <mconnor> fta: its being integrated into trunk now
[23:06] <fta> mconnor, what?
[23:07] <mconnor> fta: the ctrl+tab addon
[23:10] <fta> mconnor, i know but the addon evolved a lot.. hmm... ?! er.. ??..  do you mean this has been merged too ? in the last few days?
[23:11] <fta> i'm running 3.1~b2~hg20081106r21383
[23:21] <fta> bug 246911
[23:27] <directhex> NCommander, you can write one in 12 lines of c# though, which is pretty neat
[23:27] <NCommander> write what?
[23:27] <directhex> NCommander, a webkit browser
[23:27] <NCommander> I can also do that with trident ;-)
[23:28] <directhex> and fta's screenshot looks identical to the demo that comes with webkit-sharp, Funnybrowser
[23:30] <crimsun> fta: got it, module-alsa-sink.c
[23:30] <crimsun> fta: also, is this error reproducible in luke's 0.9.13 packages?
[23:31] <fta> crimsun, i dropped luke's ppa as it was a real misery. no way to play an hd video using mplayer
[23:32] <crimsun> ok, I don't know offhand if luke merged all of Fedora 10's changes to 0.9.13
[23:34] <fta> directhex: i probably is just the demo (the ui part)
[23:58] <fta> -i+it